Aug 13, 2024 Council Meetings - Regular

I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE WILL BE HEARD AFTER PRESENTATIONS BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PRESENTATIONS:]

MADAM SHERMAN.

YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THIS EVENING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION BY HRINKO LIGHTING.

THERE WE GO. I WAS LOOKING FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE.

SO I'LL DEFER.

YES, SIR. PLEASE.

FORWARD AND BACK HERE. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS JASON TANK. I'M THE CEO OF TANCO LIGHTING, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT YOU HAD APPROVED FOR US TO DO ON THE STREET LIGHTING FIXTURES IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY OWNED AND DOMINANT BY FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT STREET LIGHTS, JUST LIKE THE ONE IN THAT PICTURE THERE.

SO PEOPLE ARE CLEAR. IT'S NOT THE RED YELLOW GREEN TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US.

WE'RE KIND OF A UNICORN IN THE MARKET.

WE'RE THIS IS ALL WE DO IS JUST FOCUS ON MUNICIPAL STREET LIGHTING.

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YOU CAN SEE OUR NUMBERS THERE IN TERMS OF LIGHTS AND CONTRACTS.

WE'VE HELPED A LOT OF CITIES AND TOWNS ACQUIRE THEIR STREET LIGHTS.

ABOUT HALF OF OUR CONTRACTS WERE ACQUISITIONS.

ANOTHER REALLY NEAT THING IS WE ALSO HELP MAINTAIN STREET LIGHTS.

SO WE'RE VERY MUCH EXPERTS IN THAT AS WELL.

SO OUR ADVICE, OUR GUIDANCE IS VERY MUCH SPOT ON BECAUSE WE LIVE IT.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE 260 PROJECTS NATIONWIDE.

SO STREET LIGHTING IS VERY CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY.

PEOPLE CERTAINLY MISS IT WHEN IT'S GONE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AROUND AT NIGHT.

IT'S THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AND PEDESTRIANS ARE NOT STRUCK BY CARS AS WELL AS VEHICLES CAN SEE OBJECTS AND OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE ROAD.

CURRENTLY, YOU GUYS ARE EXPERIENCING REALLY HIGH COSTS WITH THE STREET LIGHTS FROM FPNL.

AND OF COURSE THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY ITEM.

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN POLICE OR FIRE OR TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

CONTROL OVER THE LIGHTING DESIGN IS WHAT YOU WOULD GAIN THROUGH OWNERSHIP.

SO YOUR ABILITY TO EDIT THE SYSTEM MAKE LIGHTS BRIGHTER, MAYBE NOT SO INTENSE, CHANGE COLORS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU'D ALSO GET ACCESS TO SMART CITY TECHNOLOGIES, WHICH IS REALLY A PROMISING FUTURE WITH REGARD TO STREETLIGHTS.

AND THIS COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS EVEN JUST HOLIDAY LIGHTING, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FIXTURE WHERE YOU COULD BE PUTTING IN POTENTIALLY CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO CONTROL THE RIGHT OF WAY.

YOU GUYS DO EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY STREETS, STORM SEWERS, YOU POLICE IT, SIDEWALKS.

THE STREET LIGHTS ARE CURRENTLY THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY, BUT THAT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT SERVES THIS PUBLIC GOOD.

SO WE RAN A FEASIBILITY BASICALLY LOOKING AT WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS.

AND WE LOOKED AT THE INVENTORY THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE FROM FPNL.

WE LOOKED AT THE RATES CONSIDERED OWNERSHIP AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.

THERE ARE SOME LIGHTS THAT MIGHT NEED TO STILL BE CONVERTED TO LED.

ALTHOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THE SYSTEM IS CONVERTED AND OF COURSE, MORE IMPORTANTLY WOULD BE MAINTENANCE IF THE CITY WAS TO TAKE THE SYSTEM OVER.

SO WE KEPT THE OPTIONS REAL SIMPLE EITHER STAY WITH FPNL OR LOOK AT POTENTIALLY TAKING OVER OWNERSHIP.

THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY SHOW THAT IF THE CITY WAS TO TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP OF THE STREETLIGHT SYSTEM, IT WOULD SAVE $626,000 PER YEAR.

THAT IS EVERYTHING. ALL IN.

THERE'S NO COST MISSING THERE.

THAT'S MAINTENANCE. IT'S ELECTRICAL COSTS.

THAT IS EVERYTHING.

THAT'S EVEN A CONSERVATIVE FIGURE.

I ACTUALLY FEEL IT WOULD BE HIGHER.

TYPICALLY IN THIS PHASE, WE KEEP YOUR COSTS HIGH, YOUR SAVINGS LOW.

THAT REPRESENTS 81% SAVINGS OVER THE CURRENT COSTS THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR STREETLIGHT SYSTEM.

AND OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THAT WOULD SAVE $12,585,000.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.

THIS IS HOW YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET THOSE SAVINGS.

SHOW AN EXAMPLE HERE OF THE TARIFF.

YOU'RE CURRENTLY UNDER THE RED TARIFF ON THE LEFT WE'RE AT 28 WHITE LED FIXTURES $9.26.

THAT'S FPL OWNED AND MAINTAINED.

WE'RE SUGGESTING IF YOU WERE TO TAKE OVER THAT FIXTURE, THE COST OF THAT FIXTURE JUST ENERGY ONLY WOULD BE $0.72.

NOW, EVEN IF YOU FACTOR IN MAINTENANCE, IT'S STILL AN 81% SAVINGS.

WE ESTIMATE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE USUALLY ABOUT $2 PER POLE PER MONTH.

SO THIS IS JUST BILL TO BILL WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM FPL.

SO THIS IS OUR ANALYSIS KIND OF LOOKING AT AN EVEN BIGGER VIEW.

YOU CAN SEE THE THE LOWER LEFT HAND SECTION $775,000.

THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING PER YEAR ON THE STREET LIGHTS FROM FPL.

THIS REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 4100 LIGHTS.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDERNEATH THAT.

SO YOU CAN SEE WITH THE NEW BILLS HERE WOULD NOW BE 149,000.

YOU CAN SEE JUST ABOVE THAT WE HAVE 98,000 ALLOTTED FOR MAINTENANCE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE YOUR NEW FPL BILL IS JUST ABOVE THAT AT 51,394.

SO YOU CAN SEE JUST BY SIMPLE MATH, THAT'S WHAT THE SAVINGS ADDS UP TO IS 626,000.

AND THEN THE PAYBACKS ARE PROVIDED UP HERE.

THESE ARE QUITE HEALTHY FIVE SIX YEAR RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

IF YOU WERE TO TAKE OVER THE STREET LIGHT SYSTEM, WE ESTIMATE THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE THE 4.2 MILLION.

AGAIN, THAT IS HIGH.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LED UPGRADE THAT FPL DID AND ANY REMAINING CAPITAL VALUE OUT OF THE SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE ASSUMING THAT AT A HIGH VALUE.

BUT THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE NEGOTIATED.

SO WE SEE YOUR NEXT STEPS IS REALLY ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH.

MOST PEOPLE AT THIS POINT WOULD THEN LOOK AT DOING AN AUDIT AND DATA RECONCILIATION, ESSENTIALLY GETTING OUT TO THE FIELD, SEEING WHERE ALL THE LIGHTS ARE.

WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR YOUR INVESTMENT, FOR WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR? AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE LOOKING AT EARLY NEGOTIATIONS WITH FPL, SEE IF THEY'RE POTENTIALLY OPEN TO THIS, WHAT KIND OF TEMPERAMENT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO THE SALE OF THE STREET LIGHTS. THESE CAN BOTH BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY AS WELL.

GETTING INTO REASONS WHY YOU'D WANT TO LOOK AT DOING THE AUDIT.

THIS IS NOT THE AUDIT OF YOUR SYSTEM, BY THE WAY.

THESE ARE PICTURES OF JUST OTHER AUDITS THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN FIND.

LEADING POLLS, POLLS THAT MAYBE NEED TO BE REPLACED DUE TO CORROSION OR JUST FIXTURES THAT ARE MISSING.

IT'S LIKELY WE WILL FIND THINGS LIKE THIS.

AND YOU'RE PAYING A TOP DOLLAR FOR POTENTIAL SUBSTANDARD SYSTEM.

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THIS IS BASICALLY A PICTURE OF NOTHING.

THIS IS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A STREET LIGHT AT THIS LOCATION, BUT YET THE CITY IS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR A LIGHT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS INTERSECTION, AND IT DOES NOT EXIST. SO WE'RE SURE THAT THESE LIGHTS ARE OUT THERE WHERE IT'S A GHOST LIGHT.

IT'S ON YOUR BILL. IT DOESN'T EXIST.

YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

SO OBVIOUSLY WITH 4000 LIGHTS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S IN THE FIELD MATCHES YOUR BILLS.

SO WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS, I HAD SOMEWHAT TOUCHED ON THAT ON THAT ALREADY.

IT WOULD BE ENGAGING WITH FPNL SOMEWHAT OPENLY, JUST TO SEE WHAT THEIR TEMPERAMENT WOULD BE AROUND SELLING THE LIGHTS, YOUR REASONINGS AROUND WHY TO DO IT, AND THE BENEFITS TO BOTH FPNL AND YOU.

SO JUST KIND OF WRAPPING UP SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF OWNERSHIP.

WE'RE HITTING THE REDUCED COST.

THAT'S REALLY WE THINK KIND OF THE THE TIP OF THE PYRAMID ON THIS.

BUT ACCESS TO SMART CITIES.

AND AGAIN, THIS IDEA AROUND HAVING THIS POWER PORT THAT'S ROUGHLY EVERY 200FT AWAY.

SO YOU COULD BE DOING CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.

THERE'S TRAFFIC CONTROL MONITORING THAT COULD BE DONE.

AIR QUALITY SENSORS.

YOU'D HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THROUGH THE STREET LIGHTS, THE IMPROVED LIGHTING LEVELS.

THIS WOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY AGAIN TO RAISE OR LOWER LIGHTS.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHERE THESE FIXTURES ARE AT, MAKING SURE CROSSWALKS ARE LIT APPROPRIATELY.

IS IT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF LIGHT AROUND SCHOOLS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO PREVENT THESE ACCIDENTS? ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE HAVE TO OFFER HERE IS THIS IS FULLY OUTSOURCED.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIRE ANYBODY TO DO THIS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO STAFF UP TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM.

WE TYPICALLY RECOMMEND HIRING AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD THEN BE WORKING FOR THE CITY.

THEY WOULD BE DOING ALL THE FIELD WORK, AND EITHER A COMPANY LIKE US, OR THE CITY COULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE CALLS AND HANDLING THE OUTAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

SO THE REALITY IS YOU'RE ALREADY MAINTAINING THESE LIGHTS.

IF YOU WERE TO ACTUALLY PULL THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY, THEY ALREADY THINK YOU OWN THE LIGHTS.

SO THEY'RE CALLING CITY HALL TODAY REPORTING LIGHTS THAT ARE OUT.

THEY'RE NOT CALLING FPL.

SO THERE'S ALREADY A PERCEPTION THAT THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY AND THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING IT.

IT'S JUST THAT NOW YOU HAVE TO CALL FPL, TURN IN THOSE OUTAGES AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY GET REPAIRED.

SO A MAJOR BENEFIT HERE IS GUARANTEED RESPONSE TIMES.

IF A LIGHT IS OUT ON MONDAY, IT COULD BE FIXED BY FRIDAY.

YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE RIGHT NOW WITH FPL.

SO THAT'S IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

YOU KNOW WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE COST AND YOU'RE SAYING MAINTENANCE IS INCLUDED AS WE CONTINUE TO INCREASE THAT CAPACITY OF INCLUDING MORE LIGHTS, DOES THE COST REMAIN.

THE SAVINGS COSTS REMAIN THE SAME.

SO CURRENTLY IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S THE INVESTMENT AS WE BUILD MORE LIGHTS, I WOULD EXPECT THAT ANY LENGTH THAT THE CITY WILL OWN AND MAINTAIN WOULD BE AT THE $2 PER POLE PER MONTH, SO ANY NEW LIGHTING THAT WOULD GO IN WOULD LIKELY BE PAID FOR IN FULL BY DEVELOPERS.

SO THIS WOULD BE NO COST TO THE CITY.

IT'S LIKELY HOW FPL IS GETTING A LOT OF THEIR FIXTURES NOW.

SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND LAYS DOWN A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CITY IS THE ONE SAYING, HEY, LIGHTS NEED TO BE MAYBE EVERY 200FT.

THE CONTRACTOR IS THE ONE PAYING THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THE COSTS OF THAT.

AND THEN THAT PROPERTY IS THEN GIFTED TO FPL INSTEAD OF IT NOW BEING GIFTED FPL, IT WOULD NOW BE THE CITY'S PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU WOULD PICK UP MAINTENANCE AT THE EXPECTED RATE OF $2 PER POLE PER MONTH.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THERE'S SOME INTRIGUING POSSIBILITIES HERE.

MY. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, IS THE COST OF MAINTENANCE USING AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER VERSUS DOING IT IN-HOUSE? CAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THE COST COMPARISON THERE? SO WITH AN LED SYSTEM, IT'S RATHER RELIABLE.

IT'S RATHER ROBUST. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY OUTAGES.

SO ON 4000 LIGHTS, EVEN IF YOU LOST 2% OF THE LIGHTS PER YEAR, YOU'RE TALKING A VERY LOW AMOUNT OF LIGHTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED.

YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE 80 FIXTURES OVER 365 DAYS.

SO IT'S HARD TO JUSTIFY THAT YOU WOULD NEED A CREW INTERNALLY TO DO THAT.

NOW, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A CREW THAT'S MAINTAINING THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD BE THEN TRAINED AND THEY COULD BE POTENTIALLY A FIRST RESPONDER FOR SOME OF THESE OUTAGES WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO ADD A SINGLE STAFF MEMBER.

BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD SEE IS AT LEAST PLANNING ON HAVING AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR AT LEAST CREATES THE OPTION THAT THEY'RE THERE ON CALL.

YOU WOULD HAVE THEM UNDER CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO OUTAGES WITHIN SO MANY HOURS, OR EVEN A KNOCK DOWN, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT DOES GIVE YOU MORE GUARANTEES AROUND MAKING SURE THAT OUTAGES GET FIXED.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, HAVE A TANKER.

GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE AUDIT AND NEGOTIATE WITH WITH WITH FPL.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE PROVISION.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL COME BACK TO US TO ADOPT IT IF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE CITY COUNCIL COMMIT TO ANY SAVINGS THAT WE, WE SEE THROUGH THIS PROGRAM THAT THAT SAVINGS BE COMMITTED TO, TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE AND FIRE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

YES, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

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OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT A FEW MONTHS AGO GAVE US A PRESENTATION KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING WHERE WE WERE FISCALLY WITH WORKING WITH FPL.

I WILL SAY THERE'S FIVE INVESTOR OWNED ELECTRIC COMPANIES.

THERE'S 35 MUNICIPALLY OWNED ELECTRIC COMPANIES AND 18 RURAL ELECTRIC COMPANIES.

HERE IN FLORIDA. SO IT'S POSSIBLE.

SO I WILL I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO JUST LOOK AT THE DATA THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO KIND OF VENTURE OFF AND DO OUR OWN THING.

SO. YOU SAID YOURSELF WE CAN LOOK AT BOTH OPTIONS AT THE SAME TIME.

CORRECT? WELL, SO THAT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING WOULD BE DOING THE AUDIT TO AT LEAST VERIFY THAT THE BILLS ARE CORRECT.

YES. WHAT YOUR INVESTMENT YOU'RE GETTING.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO AT LEAST ENGAGE WITH FPNL AND SEE WHAT KIND OF TEMPERAMENT THEY WOULD HAVE AND SEE HOW RESISTANT THEY MIGHT BE.

I MEAN, WHAT IF THEY SAID YES? SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD BE MOVING FORWARD KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO SAVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING THAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT LEAST TRYING TO TO DETERMINE.

AND THEN BASED ON PEOPLE'S RESPONSE, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME PLANS POTENTIALLY AROUND HOW TO GO ESSENTIALLY NEGOTIATE WITH THEM.

THERE COULD BE THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY OTHER MEANS OF HOW TO GET THE STREET LIGHTS.

YEAH. OR VENTURE OUR OWN WAY.

SO YEAH, I'VE GOT THE IDEAS TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE WILL WORK BEST.

YES, SIR. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HIRING ME? YEAH. NO, I THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR, MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND COUNCIL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS TOPIC PARTICULAR TOPIC IS FOR ME FOR THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

THIS IS. THIS IS A DRUM I'VE BEEN BEATING ON.

GET US. GET US SOME STREET LIGHTS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE SAD OR PROUD TO SAY.

IN NEARLY THREE AND A HALF YEARS, WE GOT 31 APPROVED NEW STREET LIGHTS FROM FPL.

THAT THAT SAYS IT.

ALL RIGHT, SO YOU ALREADY KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

SO I DEFINITELY WOULD SAY TO QUICKLY ENGAGE INTO THAT NEGOTIATION TO SEE HOW WE CAN TAKE IT OVER.

AND, AND PART OF I THINK SOMEBODY WHO'S WHERE YOU HAVE ONE COMPANY THAT CONTROLS THAT HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL ALL THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

SO, SO THAT'S WHERE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT AND SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LACK OF SERVICE.

SO I WOULD BE ALL FOR LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND HOW WE CAN ENGAGE NEGOTIATION TAKING IT OVER.

WHETHER WE GO WITH YOUR COMPANY AND BASED ON THE NUMBERS I WOULD DEFINITELY GO WITH THAT.

MY QUESTION TO YOU. YOU MENTIONED THE 4000.

IS IT 4000 EXISTING? IT'S 4096 EXISTING STREET LIGHTS.

THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND ON YOUR BILL.

SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER REASON TO DO THE AUDIT, AT LEAST JUST TO VERIFY IF THE WATTAGES AND THE COUNTS THAT ARE ON YOUR BILL MATCH WHAT'S IN THAT FIELD.

OKAY. SO THAT COULD ALSO BE REASONING ESSENTIALLY FOR YOU TO SEE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY COMPETENT AT RUNNING THE SYSTEM IF THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, VASTLY DIFFERENT.

THAT JUST SHOWS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT GETTING YOUR MONEY'S WORTH.

IT'S POSSIBLE. WE'VE EVEN SEEN SOME CITIES GET MONEY BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE OVERCHARGED.

BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO TRY TO LOOK INTO.

ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU. SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS.

SO I GUESS PHASE ONE WOULD BE EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING IT OVER.

AND SECOND, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT STREET LIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IF YOU EVER DRIVE THE CITY AT NIGHT, THE RESIDENT WOULD ATTEST TO THAT. I HEAR IT EVERY DAY.

I'VE SEEN IT MYSELF.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LACK OF STREET LIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT AND MOST EVEN ALL MAJOR, MAJOR CORRIDORS OR MAJOR ROADWAYS.

SO THE NEXT PHASE IS TO RAPIDLY INCREASE ON, ON ON BRINGING US SOME MORE LIGHTS AND ESPECIALLY ALL MAJOR STREETS, EVEN SOME OF OUR INTERSECTIONS ALL DARK.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY WITH THE SAVINGS THAT YOU'RE GETTING, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU SPENT THE SAME AMOUNT, BUT YOU HAD A SYSTEM THAT YOU WANTED THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.

SO IT'S I THINK IT IS A QUESTION OF SEEING HOW YOU COULD REAPPROPRIATE THE MONEY, OR AT LEAST POTENTIALLY TAKING THOSE SAVINGS TO ADD MORE STREET LIGHTS.

SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT WITH SOME CITIES.

IS WHERE YOU CRITICALLY FAILING RIGHT NOW IT'S CALLED THE LIGHTING LIGHTING DEFICIENCY STUDY.

SO THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT AS A SEPARATE THING, BUT ESSENTIALLY REALLY IDENTIFYING WHERE WHERE ARE THE LIGHTS NOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE YOU REALLY LACKING THEM.

AND THEN THOSE AREAS CAN BE PRIORITIZED.

AND THEN EITHER THROUGH DEVELOPMENT LIGHTS COULD BE ADDED KNOWING THAT CERTAIN CORRIDORS WILL BE DEVELOPED OR IF THEY'RE ALREADY BUILT OUT, POTENTIALLY USING THE AMOUNT OF SAVINGS AS A CIP FUND TO ESSENTIALLY PUT IN STREET LIGHTS WHERE YOU SEE FIT.

I KNOW STAFF FROM PUBLIC WORKS, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS AS WELL.

IN TERMS OF A CLEAR MASTER PLAN, THOUGH, DO WE EVER HAVE ONE OR WORKING ON ONE AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE AND ALL? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF YOUR SCOPE OF WORK.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE FOR CITIES AS WELL.

IT'S PROBABLY A LATER STEP THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT.

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OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NOT WHAT'S PART OF THE CURRENT SCOPE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD HELP PROVIDE AS ESTABLISHING A STANDARD.

SO WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO, WHAT STANDARDS AND WHERE LIGHTS ARE TO GO.

SO THAT SINCE YOU'RE BUILDING OUT THE CITY THE WAY YOU WANT TO SEE IT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S IT, DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES, SIR. THE MASTER PLAN IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT THAT WOULD BE STAFF.

I'M SURE THEY'RE PROBABLY WORKING ON SOMETHING, BUT EVEN MORE.

MORE THAN THAT, WHAT I'M HEARING COUNCIL AND MY MY QUESTION.

BUT LET ME JUST ADDRESS COUNCIL BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING COUNCIL IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAVINGS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF ADDITIONAL LIGHTS, WHEREAS COUNCILMAN WEINBERG IS LOOKING AT USING THOSE SAVINGS AND INCREASE IT INTO PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO I SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THAT.

MAYBE WE COULD COME DOWN TO AN AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE SAVINGS ARE NOT.

MY QUESTION IS MORE ON THE WATTAGE, RIGHT.

SAME WATTAGE.

THE LUMENS WILL BE THE SAME.

OR IS IT WITH THE LED AS OPPOSED TO THE FLAT? WILL THEY BE BRIGHTER? SO ANY FIXTURES THAT WOULD BE CONVERTED? THAT'S PROBABLY A SERVICE WE WOULD PROVIDE THROUGH THAT DESIGN PHASE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE LOCATIONS.

COLOR TEMPERATURE IS ANOTHER THING TO LOOK AT.

TYPICALLY, WE'RE LEANING MORE TOWARDS WARMER COLOR TEMPERATURES BECAUSE IT'S JUST EASIER ON THE EYE.

YOU WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE SYSTEM AS IS, BUT THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY THAT AS YOU SEE FIT OVER TIME, YOU COULD BE EDITING IT THE WAY YOU SEE FIT.

THAT IS RAISING OR LOWERING THE LIGHT LEVELS, EVEN ESSENTIALLY THE COLOR TEMPERATURES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND YOU DID MENTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE CONTROL OF RAISING OR LOWERING.

THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO OVERSIGHT THAT IS UPON THE CITY.

IT LITERALLY COULD BE AT YOUR WHIM WHERE, HEY, WE WANT THESE LIGHTS CHANGED AND YOU COULD GO AND DO IT RIGHT NOW WITH FPL.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT CAN TAKE MAYBE AN ACT OF CONGRESS TO GET THEM TO BE CHANGED.

SO. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S FUNNY.

ACT OF CONGRESS.

IT MIGHT SEEM THAT WAY.

SO I GOT A LITTLE DISTRACTED, BUT MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE'RE WERE TO DO THAT, YOUR COMPANY IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WOULD PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

YES. YEAH. AND SO WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL COMPANIES ARE THERE HERE LOCALLY THAT PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

THERE'S NO ONE WHO DOES WHAT WE DO.

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE.

WE'RE THE UNICORN. THERE'S JUST NO ONE WHO DOES THIS.

I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT IN THE BEGINNING.

YEAH, I JUST COINED THAT PHRASE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD WAY TO KIND OF LIKE WHAT? YEAH. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. UNFORTUNATELY, HE DOES KIND OF LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SAYS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN ELECTRICAL COMPANY, I WOULD IMAGINE.

BUT THANK YOU. THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

COUNCIL. I'M I'M I'M ON BOARD WITH MAKING THAT FIRST YOU KNOW, AUDIT AT LEAST.

LET'S START LOOKING AT MAKING SURE WE'RE WE ARE GETTING BUILT, RIGHT.

HE SAYS IT'S JUST 4093 OR SOMETHING.

4000. 4096, 96.

AND THEN GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO START NEGOTIATING AS WELL.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND THE SAVINGS PART WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS FURTHER BECAUSE I'M HEARING TWO DIFFERENT AND THEY BOTH WARRANTED.

RIGHT. BUT AT LEAST WE START MOVING IN ONE DIRECTION AND THEN WE COULD CONTINUE THAT THAT DISCUSSION.

NOW TO COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX ARGUMENT.

THOSE SAVINGS, HE WOULD WANT TO LIGHT UP THE CITY.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING PASSIONATELY ABOUT AND MAYOR AND THAT THAT TIES IN DIRECTLY.

IT'S A SAFETY.

IT TIES INTO SAFETY.

PUBLIC SAFETY? ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT ON A ON A CALL, WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIME AND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

WHEN THEY CANNOT SEE HAVING A HARD TIME TO SEE THE THE NUMBER ON THE HOUSE THAT THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE.

SO I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ALL TIED TOGETHER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT MAYBE WHERE WHERE MR..

WEINBERG I MEAN, COUNCILWOMAN WEINBERG WANTED TO GO TO, BUT BUT I THINK IT'S ALL TIED TOGETHER.

OKAY. SO I THINK, MADAM SHERMAN, DO YOU NEED ANY FURTHER DIRECTION OTHER THAN YOU HEAR THE CONSENSUS ON THIS COUNCIL? I THINK WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY.

WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. MADAM CHAIRMAN.

NEW BUSINESS. ITEM ONE IS CONSIDERATION OF A CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FROM UNITED THIRD BRIDGE FOR ITS 27TH ANNUAL PUERTO RICAN DAY PARADE AND MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL AT FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK.

WE WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION OF THE THE EVENT.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MR..

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. THERE'S A BUTTON THERE THAT YOU CAN LOWER THE LECTERN.

OH, YEAH. I THINK MR. MISTER ROBINSON WILL HELP YOU, MA'AM.

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THANK YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE MY FACE? YES. SO SHORT.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I'M HERE TO FORMALLY REQUEST A TO CO-SPONSORSHIP FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR OUR ANNUAL 27TH.

THIS YEAR WILL BE OUR 27TH ANNUAL PUERTO RICAN DAY PARADE AND FESTIVAL.

IT WILL BE HELD ON SUNDAY THIS YEAR.

TYPICALLY IT'S HELD ON SATURDAY.

THIS YEAR WILL BE SUNDAY, OCTOBER 6TH.

AND THE VENUE WILL CHANGE AS WELL BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IT HERE AT CITY HALL.

AND OF COURSE EVERYONE KNOWS BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION WE CAN'T HAVE IT HERE.

SO THIS YEAR WILL BE AT FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, AND WE'LL HAVE THE PARADE INSIDE THE PARK WITHIN THE OUTER PERIMETER OF THE PARK, BUT INSIDE AND THEN THE AND THEN THE FESTIVAL TO FOLLOW.

IT STARTS AT 10 A.M.

AND THE FESTIVAL'S STARTS RIGHT AFTER THAT, AROUND 11.

IT TAKES ABOUT AN HOUR TO GET THROUGH THE THE PARADE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM.

NO QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

NO QUESTIONS SIR. THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

SPEAKER CARDS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. SPEAKER CARD.

IS THIS ONE. MR. BATTEN. BILL.

BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

FIRST OFF, DID YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE EXPENSE COST OF ACTUAL OVERTIME AND ACTUAL SALARIES AND PAY THAT WE HAVE TO PAY OUT ON THAT ONE? THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION.

THE SECOND ONE WAS I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER OUR IMPACT FEES, RIGHT NOW, EVERY EVERY NEW HOME THAT COMES IN PAYS $1,300.

EVERY NEW HOUSE HAS TO PAY $1,300 IMPACT FEE TO PARKS.

THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY PAYING.

NOW HERE'S A REVENUE THAT WOULD GENERATE SOME FUNDS COMING BACK INTO THE CITY TO HELP OFFSET THAT IMPACT FEE.

YET WE'RE GOING TO LET SOMEBODY COME AND UTILIZE THE SERVICE FOR FREE, BUT YET YOU'RE STILL CHARGING THE HIGHEST IMPACT FEE THAT WE CURRENTLY CARRY ON THE BOOKS, WHICH IS FOR PARKS, $1,300 FOR EVERY NEW HOME.

I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN EVERYBODY'S MIND.

THE THE COST OF THIS CO-SPONSORSHIP IS VALUED AT $2,470 FOR IN-KIND WAGES AND $4,885 IN FEE WAIVERS.

ALSO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES.

I JUST WANTED TO TO SHARE THAT IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE USED FOR SALARY OR OPERATING COSTS OR ONLY FOR YOU KNOW, BASICALLY EXPANDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, BUILDING A NEW PARK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THOSE FUNDS.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

I NEED A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COUNCILMAN.

WEINBERG. YEAH.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR FOR ANY OF THESE ISSUES.

I KNOW, I KNOW, MR. BATTEN DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT, BUT ANY THING LIKE THIS, ANY TYPE OF EVENT THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED, LEARNING ABOUT OTHER CULTURES AND THIS KIND OF THING.

I MEAN, IT'S YOU CAN'T MEASURE THE, THE, THE, THE EFFECT THAT THIS CONTRIBUTES TO THE CITY, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOES.

IT CONTRIBUTES TO TO UNDERSTANDING, CONTRIBUTES TO TO PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT, AND IT CERTAINLY DOES BRING MONEY INTO THE CITY, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT YOU CAN'T REALLY DETERMINE THAT.

SO I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THE THE COST IS MINIMAL COMPARED TO THE RETURNS ON INVESTMENT.

AND PLUS THE FACT THAT HAVING POPPY PARK IS MUCH LESS OF A POLICE PRESENCE THAN WOULD BE REQUIRED IF IRAN MALABAR ROAD.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YES, MAYOR, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT I'M ALWAYS CONFLICTED WITH IT.

BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING, YOU KNOW, REVENUE HERE, BUT THEN WE'RE UTILIZING UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? BUT I LOVE THE PROGRAM.

I LOVE WHAT Y'ALL DO EVERY YEAR.

BUT THERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT WITH THIS WITH THIS SPECIAL EVENTS THING, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S JUST SPENDING, SPENDING, SPENDING.

AND, YES, IT'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN REGARDS TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE'RE ALREADY NOT GETTING ANY TAXES FROM NON-PROFITS.

AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE EATING THE BILL.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY'S EATING THE BILL BOTH WAYS.

SO THAT'S ALL.

MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS ARE MORE OF THE ARTIST THAT THEY ALSO BRING IN.

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SOME OF THEM ARE ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL.

THEY'RE ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

AND THAT THAT CREATES AN ATMOSPHERE WHERE THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS GETTING OUT.

IT'S A POSITIVE THING TO DO AS WELL.

SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU TWO GENTLEMEN SAID IT BEST.

THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OPPORTUNITY THERE.

YOU CAN MEASURE IT. SO THE IDEA OF SPENDING MONEY, I DON'T I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.

BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CULTURE ASPECT, WHAT IT BRINGS TO THE CITY, AND WE WE CAN'T WE HAVE A RECREATION DEPARTMENT, BUT WE CAN'T RELY ON THEM TO BRING ENTERTAINMENT.

ONE THING WE UNFORTUNATELY KNOWN FOR IS THAT PALM BAY IS BORING.

SO THE MORE OF THESE DIFFERENT FLAVOR, DIFFERENT CULTURE BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHERE YOU KNOW, THE DIVERSE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE AND IT'S GROWING MORE AND MORE DIVERSE THE MORE WE CAN OFFER THIS TYPE OF EVENTS.

THE MORE THAN WELCOME AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

THE OTHER ASPECT I LIKE THIS YEAR IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT AT THE FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, WHICH I THINK IS A FOCAL POINT.

IT'S A FOCAL POINT FOR EVENTS.

I WOULD PROBABLY GO AND SAY THAT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE THE NEW DESTINATION.

WE SHOULD HIGHLY CONSIDER THAT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BETTER, PROBABLY TO HAVE A LOT OF BENEFIT.

WHEN IT ALSO OFFSET ALL POLICE PRESENCE AND, AND SO ON WHERE THEY CAN FOCUS ON MORE URGENT CALLS AND SO ON.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE ORGANIZATION WOULD SHOULD CONSIDER.

AS THIS PLACE IS BECOMING MORE OF A MORE OF A DESTINATION FOR OVERALL CULTURAL SPORTING EVENTS.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF IT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

YOU KNOW, I JUST YOU JUST TOUCHED ON SOMETHING, AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING IT.

RIGHT. BUT I WANT TO BRING, JUST FOR THE RECORD, HOW WE'RE HERE, PARTNERING WITH THE 27TH ANNUAL PUERTO RICAN DAY PARADE.

AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY.

AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE IT.

BUT I WANTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING THAT INTO LIGHT.

PART OF HOW WE'RE HERE, WHERE WE'RE CO-SPONSORING THIS EVENT.

WELL, IT ENDED UP AS PART OF A SETTLEMENT OF A FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY.

WE WERE SUED, AND THERE WERE THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT THAT WE WERE INFRINGING UPON CERTAIN RIGHTS OF THE ORGANIZATION, THAT WE WERE DISCRIMINATING BASED UPON CERTAIN PROTECTED CLASSES IN ORDER TO RESOLVE THE LAWSUIT.

WE DID AGREE TO PERMIT THE PARADE AND PROVIDE CERTAIN ACCESS TO CITY PROPERTY SO THAT THEY WEREN'T TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY FROM ANY OTHER.

THERE WASN'T ANY IMPLICATION THAT THE CITY WAS SOMEHOW DISCRIMINATING THEM IMPROPERLY.

SO THERE IS AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE AGREEMENT IN THE SENSE OF IT IS AN ORDER FROM A FEDERAL COURT.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ACTING ON ALL THESE YEARS.

AND AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AMENITIES AND THAT THE CITY PROVIDES ACCESS TO THEM TO CITY PROPERTY.

THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY.

AND THEN I WANT TO SAY, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THE FOLLOWING.

OUR RECREATIONS DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE WORKING HARD TO CREATE EVENTS SUCH AS THESE PARTNERSHIPS.

BUT RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS OR REFOCUSING THEIR WORK SCHEDULE, AND IT'S GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT SPACE WOULD JUST BE THERE REGARDLESS.

AND IT'S BEING USED TO CREATE A CULTURE TO CREATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER.

SO ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.

DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. BATTEN.

I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS.

EXCUSE ME. THE FIRST ONE IS.

SCHOOL'S BACK IN SESSION.

WATCH THE SPEED.

AND THEN JUST THAT.

SO EASY TO DO WITH THE.

BRINGS BACK THE NEXT QUESTION OF WHAT'S THE STATUS ON OUR TRAFFIC CAMERAS? I WENT SPEEDING THROUGH THE INTERSECTIONS TODAY TO SEE IF I WOULD GET A TICKET, AND I COULDN'T FIND ANY OF THESE CAMERAS AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THEY ARE. ITEM NUMBER FOR SCHOOLS.

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ITEM NUMBER TWO.

A LOT OF FLIERS ARE OUT NOW.

A LOT OF POLITICAL FLIERS HAVE COME OUT.

ONE GOOD THING ABOUT ABOUT THEM IS I GET A LOT OF INFORMATION TO RESEARCH.

ONE OF THEM FOR COUNCILMAN FELIX, LISTED SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE, I.E.

HE DOES NOT CURRENTLY SERVE AS VICE CHAIR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

HE DOES NOT SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

HE IS NOT SERVING ON THE TECHNICAL CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT THAT IS COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

WHAT IS MOST UPSETTING ABOUT THIS TO ME IS IT'S PAID FOR BY THE PALM BAY PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS PAC.

THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THEIR CREDIBILITY AND I HATE TO SEE THAT TRUE STATEMENTS, PROMOTE FALSE STATEMENTS DEGRADE WHETHER YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE DEGRADING STATEMENT OR THE FALSE STATEMENT.

EITHER ONE. JUST GO AHEAD AND STATE THE TRUTH.

IT'S A MUCH BETTER APPROACH.

YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS DEMO.

MR. NOAH. SORRY.

LOU DE FAZIO.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.

HELLO, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MADAM SHERMAN.

MY NAME IS LOU DE BONIFACIO DE BONIFACIO.

THERE YOU GO. I COULDN'T I COULDN'T READ THE SPELLING.

I LIVE AT 2961 FISHER AVENUE SOUTHEAST.

I'M HERE TO DISCUSS TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST, THE ITEMS ARE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK ANDERSON SANKOFA GROUP, AND I'LL EXPLAIN HOW THE TWO ARE RELATED.

ALLEGEDLY, THERE WAS A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION FLIER SENT OUT TO THE AREA, TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE WITHIN 500FT OF THE AREA TO BE DEVELOPED.

I KNOW MYSELF, AND ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBOR I SPOKE WITH NEVER RECEIVED A FLIER NOTIFYING US.

AND HOWEVER, I WAS ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT THE MEETING THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH, THROUGH OTHER NEIGHBORS IN OTHER AREAS.

AND THE FLIER IS PROPOSING TO BUILD THIS IN AN AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL TO THEY WANT TO BUILD MULTI-FAMILY, HIGH DENSITY HOMES THERE TWO STORIES, TWO STORY TOWNHOMES.

AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE CRITERIA OF APPROVING HIGH DENSITY LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE THE CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WHAT WERE YOUR COMMENTS? AND THEN WE'LL GET. OKAY.

OKAY. AND WHY WOULD HIGH DENSITY BE INTERMIXED WITH ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU ALREADY HAVE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THIS THIS BIG PLOT OF LAND.

15 ACRES, 15.6 ACRES, 62 ACRES.

AND I SPOKE WITH PEOPLE AT FOUNTAIN BLUE GAGGER.

FISHER AND TITAN.

AND EVERYBODY IS SO UPSET BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PARADISE HERE.

THIS JUST THEIR HOUSE, THEIR QUARTER ACRE.

THEY HAVE THE WOODS BACK THERE.

THEY HAVE PEACE AND QUIET. NOW, IT'S PROPOSED THAT THIS TWO STORY TOWNHOMES MAY BE BROUGHT IN THERE 15 PER ACRE.

THAT'S 250 UNITS.

HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE IS THAT GOING TO BE IN IN THAT AREA? WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS IS THAT GOING TO PRESENT? SO HOW WOULD THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS BENEFIT FROM SUCH A DEVELOPMENT? WHAT DO THE HOMEOWNERS GAIN BY THIS? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

AND THE FEES COLLECTED FROM THE BUILDER.

WOULD IT TAKE DOWN OUR TAXES? HOW WOULD IT BENEFIT US AT ALL? THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THEY'RE LOSING, LOSING, LOSING.

AND THE POLITICIANS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING.

YOU KNOW, GET THE COMMUNITY POLICING UNIT OUT THERE AND HELP THEM IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.

IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS MAKING A DECISION LIKE THAT TO PUT A HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD IN A ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WOULD IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL.

YOU'D HAVE HIGH, HIGH TRAFFIC.

YOU COULD BRING IN CRIME.

IT WOULD JUST IT WOULD DESTROY THE LIFESTYLE THAT WE'RE ALL ACCUSTOMED TO RIGHT NOW.

AND HOW I SAID THE IT'S POSSIBLY RELATED TO THE ZONING ISSUE IS I NOTICED IN THE COMPARISON TABLE ON FOR TEN SINGLE FAMILY TO GO TO RM 15 MULTI-RESIDENTIAL.

IT GOES FROM TEN UNITS PER ACRE TO 15 UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT GOES FROM A HEIGHT OF 25FT TO 50FT.

CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING A 50 FOOT STRUCTURE BEHIND YOUR HOUSE? THANK YOU SIR. SO WELL.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THIS TWO ITEMS AND ENCOURAGE HIM TO ATTEND OUR MEETING.

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SIR, I WANT YOU TO HEAR HER RESPONSE.

CARRY ON. FIRST OF ALL, SANKOFA.

THEY HAVE FILED AN APPLICATION WITH THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT A COMPLETE APPLICATION.

SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD IN ANY PROCESS.

THEY'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS FROM THE CITY.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO REVIEW THEIR APPLICATION.

SO THE THINGS THAT THEY DID WITH THE CITIZENS HAVING THAT SINGLE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING FOR MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, THAT WAS ALL DONE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH OUR CODE. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE TO THEIR PROCESS.

THEY'D HAVE TO REDO THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN MEETINGS IN THE CORRECT WAY TO BEGIN WITH.

SO THAT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

WHAT? I WOULD, ASK THAT YOU DO FOR ME IS OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, LISA FRAZIER.

SHE CAN KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.

SHE CAN EXPLAIN THINGS REGARDING THE LIKE THE ZONING QUESTIONS YOU HAD THE RM 1015, SOME OF WHICH IS CHANGING ANYWAY, IN THE FUTURE HERE SOON.

BUT I'LL LET HER GIVE YOU HER CONTACTS AND THEN SHE CAN EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER.

BUT JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE THEY'VE PUT OUT WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING, BUT THAT'S HAD NO APPROVALS AND REALLY NO REVIEW BY THE CITY YET.

WE'RE AWARE OF IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED COMPLETING THEIR FULL APPLICATION FOR US TO EVEN LOOK AT IT.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH.

THANKS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.

SO I'D LIKE YOU FOR YOU TO BE PART OF THAT AS WELL, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS CONNELLY.

SUSAN CONNOLLY.

3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FACE OF A GRATEFUL CITIZEN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR EXTENDING THE PROCESS FOR REVISING THE ENTIRE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND REACHING OUT AGAIN TO CITIZENS FOR INPUT.

I WANT TO HAVE AN EXTRA THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF AND HOW THEY HAVE CREATED IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

THREE INPUT SESSIONS FOR CITIZENS, SOME IN PERSON, SOME ONLINE.

THE TIMES GO TO 6 P.M., SOME OF THEM THERE'S A 24 OVER SEVEN EMAIL CODE THAT PEOPLE CAN WRITE IN AND EVERYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE. SO I AM MOST IMPRESSED AND MOST PROUD OF OUR CITY AND HOW THIS IS BEING DONE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS A TEMPLATE FOR FUTURE CITIZEN COUNCIL PARTNERING.

OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND OUR BUDGET ARE THE VOICES OF THE CITIZENS.

THEY'RE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT CONTRAST WITH A DEVELOPMENT DECISION THAT WENT BAD.

IT WAS A REQUEST FOR LAND USE CHANGE AND REZONING TO BUILD A SEVEN STORY MEMORY CARE CENTER AND TIKI BAR ON THE BAYFRONT.

IN SPITE OF BROAD AND PROLONGED CITIZEN OPPOSITION TO THIS, AND IN SPITE OF THIS PROPERTY BEING PART OF THE BAYFRONT, IN SPITE OF IT BEING RIGHT ALONG OUR CASTAWAY COVE POINT PARK, AND IN SPITE OF IT BEING ONE OF THE LAST UNDEVELOPED PIECES OF LAND SOLD RIGHT ON THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. IT HAS HISTORIC.

IT'S A HISTORICAL LANDMARK CONNECTED TO FAMILIES THAT STILL LIVE HERE IN PALM BAY.

IT'S OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPORTANCE FOR A PLACE FOR WILDLIFE AND PLANTS, A POTENTIAL TO BE A DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT, AND IT COULD BE A SHOWCASE FOR THE UNIQUE BEAUTY OF OUR AREA.

HOWEVER IT'S BECOME, INSTEAD OF BECOMING EVERYTHING IT COULD BE, IT HAS BECOME EVERYTHING.

IT SHOULD NOT BE.

WITH ONE VOTE OF COUNCIL.

THE COUNCIL AGREED TO A LAND USE AND REDEVELOPMENT REZONING.

AND NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THIS PROPERTY IS BEING SOLD.

IT'S NOT EVEN BEING DEVELOPED.

AND YOU GOT AN EMAIL FROM ME OVER THE WEEKEND ABOUT THIS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ASK COUNCIL TO ASSURE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO A DO OVER WITH THIS PROPERTY, TO ASSURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT DEVELOPER IN THERE, OR THAT THE CITY CAN EXPLORE WAYS TO MAKE THIS AN EXTENSION OF CASTAWAY POINT PARK MAYOR.

WILL YOU ASK THE STAFF TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY TONIGHT, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THESE TWO OPTIONS AVAILABLE? THANK YOU. MA'AM.

MADAM CHAIRMAN OR MADAM ATTORNEY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL IS, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS ZONING.

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SO WHAT OPTIONS COULD THERE BE? WELL, I'LL. I'LL START, BUT CLEARLY IT'S THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THEIR APPROVALS.

THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, PARTICULARLY UNILATERALLY, WITHOUT AN APPLICANT COMING IN TO CHANGE IT OR DO GET SOME OTHER APPROVALS FROM YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MISS HADLEY. THAT IS ME.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CAMILLE HADLEY.

I RESIDE AT 700 FAIRHAVEN STREET NORTHEAST.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR FROM ME TODAY.

AND GOOD EVENING, STAFF.

HOW Y'ALL DOING TODAY? SO I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS LITTLE GROWERS, INC.

WE HAVE JUST SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED OUR FIFTH YEAR OF OUR SUMMER EARN AND LEARN PROGRAM, WHERE WE WERE GLAD TO BRING 13 STUDENTS HERE TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE CITY IS DOING AND HOW CITY COUNCIL WORKS.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON FOR FACILITATING THAT AND STAFF AS WELL.

THIS EVENING.

I'VE COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE LITTLE GROWERS, INC.

IS IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING APPLICATION TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY FOR THE COMMUNITY CHANGE GRANT.

THIS IS A GRANT THAT IS CLOSE TO ABOUT $20 MILLION IN FUNDING THAT WE WISH TO APPLY FOR, TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY RESILIENCE CENTER IN NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

I AM HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AS THE STATUTORY STATUTORY PARTNER ON THAT GRANT, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE GREAT CAPACITY TO SUCCESSFULLY GET THIS GRANT FUNDED AND EXECUTED VERY WELL.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE EPA HAS PROVIDED A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ADVISOR TO HELP US SUBMIT THE GRANT, AND WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON NATIONAL ESTUARIES PROGRAM, WHO IS PROVIDING A GRANT WRITER TO WRITE FOR THIS FUNDING.

SO WE ARE REACHING OUT TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND COUNCIL TODAY TO ASK FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN OUR EFFORTS TO ACQUIRE THIS FUNDING FROM THE EPA.

A CLIMATE RESILIENCE CENTER FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTS HERE LOCALLY TO NOT ONLY OPTIONS FOR FOOD SECURITY, BUT ALSO DISASTER ASSISTANCE AND EDUCATION AND RESILIENCY WORKSHOPS.

WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, HOSTED SIX ENVIRONMENTAL AND CLIMATE JUSTICE FORUMS HERE IN PALM BAY AND IN MELBOURNE THAT HAVE HAD ATTENDANCE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS AND LEADERS OF UPWARDS TO 200 PEOPLE. WE ARE ALSO CURRENTLY COLLABORATING WITH THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL ON A $1.5 MILLION EPA GRANT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DEVELOP A FOOD, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE PLAN FOR THIS AREA.

AND WITH THE FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY ON A $1.5 MILLION DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY GRANT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS AREA MORE CLIMATE RESILIENT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR EMAIL.

BUT JUST IN CASE I HAVE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU.

YOU'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THIS ORGANIZATION? COUNCILMAN. YES. I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THE EVENTS, SOME OF THEM THEY'VE HAD AT MACEDONIA.

BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PACKED.

SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE TO.

I HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THE LETTER THAT SHE SENT VIA EMAIL, AND I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE EAST CENTRAL ALREADY PUT THEIR.

THEY ALREADY GAVE THEIR, YOU KNOW, STAMP OF APPROVAL.

YOU GOOD WITH THAT, DEPUTY MAYOR? ABSOLUTELY, MAYOR. OKAY.

SO, YEAH, IF I MAY, MAYOR, ASK MISS HADLEY.

QUESTION. I KNOW I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH MISS HADLEY.

SHE'S BEEN BEFORE THIS BODY MANY TIMES.

COULD YOU BRIEFLY, WHAT WOULD THIS RESILIENCY CENTER CONSIST OF? THE RESILIENCY CENTER WOULD CONSIST OF A COMMUNITY FOOD MARKET.

IT WOULD ALSO CONSIST OF A SPACE WHERE RESIDENTS CAN MEET AND LEARN ABOUT HOW TO BE MORE RESILIENT.

IT WOULD PROVIDE A CENTER FOR US, A SPACE FOR IF THERE IS DISASTER.

AS WE WELL KNOW, THERE WERE AT RISK OF SEA LEVEL RISE AND HUGE HURRICANES, SO IT WILL PROVIDE A SPACE WHERE FEMA, RED CROSS AND ALL OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES CAN SERVICE THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND THE PAST THAT HAS HAPPENED WELL FAR INTO COCOA.

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SO THIS WILL BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS HERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS HANLEY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTIONAL PROPOSAL, AND I SEE NO DOWNSIDE TO IT.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND SEND A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS GRANT.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

I'M NOT SURE WE NEED A MOTION, BUT I THINK CONSENSUS IS GOOD.

AND WE'VE GOT I THINK WE'VE GOT CONSENSUS.

ESPECIALLY IF THEY'VE GOT THAT TYPE OF GRANT WRITING SUPPORT.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRITICAL COMPONENT TO THIS.

SO WE'LL BE SENDING A LETTER, MA'AM.

WE'LL BE PROVIDING THIS LETTER.

MAYOR. THIS COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

OKAY. SO NOW WE ARE ON CONSENT.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF THE FOLLOWING SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT AND 13.

EIGHT AND 13.

DOES COUNCIL WISH TO PULL ANY OTHER ITEMS? TWO AND THREE.

ALONG WITH ITEMS TWO AND THREE.

I GOT A MOTION. I NEED A SECOND.

OKAY, OKAY.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

EXCUSE ME. WE ARE NOW ON.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2024, DASH 34, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 18, BLOCK 1488, PORT MALABAR.

UNIT 31 ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 17, PAGE 30 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

CHARLES AND MARY BURTON.

MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC? MR. BURTON? THANK YOU. SURE.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING TO YOU, CHARLES AND MARY BURTON.

2344 FLEMING AVENUE.

GOOD EVENING TO YOU, MAYOR, AND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR OREGON BUSINESS NUMBER ONE.

AND I APPRECIATE WE HAD A MEDICAL EMERGENCY LAST TIME, AND THAT'S WHY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

HOWEVER, WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR THIS TO BE GRANTED.

AND WHAT WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEEDED FOR? IT'S IT'S FOR THE VACATING OF THE OF OUR ORDINANCE THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THIS ORDINANCE OF 20 2024 34.

IT'S A FOOL TO DO WHAT, SIR.

PUT IN A POOL, SIR. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ANYONE? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THERE'S ONE MORE READING FOR THIS, RIGHT? NOT TODAY, NOT TODAY.

THERE'S ANOTHER READING THAT YOU'LL COME BACK FOR.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NUMBER TWO, MADAM SHERMAN.

LET ME REQUEST. YEAH, AS YOU WERE, MADAM SMITH.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBERS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR

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ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS, FOLLOWED BY ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY OR PERSON.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THANK YOU. FOR YOUR TIME.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS KIM ROZANKA.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CHAPARRAL PROPERTIES LLC.

MY ADDRESS IS 1290 US ONE IN ROCKLEDGE, FLORIDA.

HERE WITH ME AS WELL IS KEVIN BRADY REPRESENTING CHAPARRAL PROPERTIES, JAKE WEISS, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD CEG.

GIL RAMIREZ, LTG ENGINEERING AND PLANNING, THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION, ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE THIS SEVERAL TIMES WHILE WE WORKED OUT A FEW ITEMS AND WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE COUNCIL IS TO JUST GO FORWARD ON FOUR A WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLAT.

IT'S 167 UNITS, AND THAT WILL GIVE US MORE TIME FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE FIRE FEE AND THE POLICE FEE.

WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEARLY.

WE'VE READ THE REPORTS, WE'VE SEEN THE STANTEC REPORT, AND WE KNOW THAT FIRE AND SAFETY IS A VERY BIG ISSUE HERE.

SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS PRESENT ON FOR A AND THEN CONTINUE FOR B5A, FIVE B FOR THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION UNTIL OCTOBER 17TH.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO.

AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS AS, AS AS WE AS WE GO THROUGH.

BUT RIGHT NOW MY FOCUS IS ON FOR A THAT'S 167 UNITS.

THIS IS PART OF AN OVERALL SUBDIVISION PLAN, CHAPARRAL, THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2017.

AND JAKE WISE IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AFTER ME.

HE'S BEEN THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THIS IS ALSO PART OF THE PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE THAT YOU APPROVED ON JULY 11TH THAT SAYS AS SOON AS ONE OF THESE PLOTS ARE RECORDED, THE CITY WILL GET TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF $969,700.34.

THAT PAYMENT IS READY TO BE MADE, BUT UNTIL A FINAL PLAT IS ADOPTED, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PAYMENT WHICH THE CITY IS WAITING FOR SO IT CAN DO SOME TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT'S GOING TO GO UP RIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION, AND IT SHOULD BE OPERATIONAL IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THAT WAS BASED UPON PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE COMING FORWARD.

IT WAS AN ADVANCED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT.

SO WE'RE HERE SIMPLY ON FOUR A AND FOUR B WITH YOUR CONSIDERATION.

WHAT I PROVIDED TO YOU WAS ORDINANCE 2020 2-102, WHICH GRANTED APPROVAL OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PUD OF PHASES FOUR AND PHASES FIVE, PHASES FOUR, A AND B, PHASE FIVE A AND B, BUT WE'RE JUST MOVING FORWARD.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND TO SAY THAT SO LONG AS WE MET THE CONDITIONS IN THIS REPORT, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE MET THE CONDITIONS ON FOUR A AND ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

ALSO IN CONSIDERATION OF MOVING FORWARD WITH FOR A SEVERAL PROPERTIES HAS AGREED TO CONSENT TO THE NEW TRAFFIC, NOT TRAFFIC.

THE NEW FIRE AND POLICE IMPACT FEES THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT PROBABLY IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

BUT THEY'VE AGREED FOR THOSE 167 UNITS, IF YOU APPROVE IT, TO PAY THE 697.56 PER UNIT FOR THE FIRE AND THE NEW FOR 48.08 FOR POLICE, ASSUMING IT'S IN THAT YEAR, IF IT GOES UP DURING THE TIMES THEY'RE PULLING PERMITS, OF COURSE THEY'LL PAY THAT, BUT THEY'RE AGREEING TO PAY THAT NOW WHEN THEY PULL EACH PERMIT.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME SECURITY THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE AND SAFETY.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ON FOR A.

SO WITH THAT I'D TURN THIS OVER TO THE ENGINEER.

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AND THEN GIL RAMIREZ, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WILL TALK AFTER THAT.

THANK YOU. I ALSO HAVE A HANDOUT, IF THAT'S OKAY.

SURE. GIVE IT TO ME.

SO. THANK YOU, CIVIL ENGINEER, FOR THE PROJECT, JAKE WISE.

BUSINESS ADDRESSES 2670 O'GALLEY BOULEVARD.

SO WE DO HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT, AS MR. ZINK IDENTIFIED.

WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT FOR A AND THEN APPROVAL OF FOUR A AND FOUR B.

THE PROJECT HAS A LONG HISTORY THAT WE JUST WANTED TO GO OVER BRIEFLY.

IF YOU SEE THIS COLOR MAP THAT I PROVIDED, THIS IDENTIFIES MALABAR ROAD TO YOUR RIGHT.

SO THAT'S NORTH.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT PHASES ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE.

THOSE ARE COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTED.

THIS GIANT POND IN THE MIDDLE IS ALSO PART OF PHASE THREE.

THAT'S CONSTRUCTED AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE FUTURE PHASES.

WE HAD APPROVAL AND HAVE ALREADY DONE THE MAJORITY OF THE EARTHWORK AND CLEARING FOR SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW MUCH WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE TO PREPARE FOR THESE FUTURE PHASES THAT ARE COMING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS GRAY AREA HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S ONE OF MULTIPLE AMENITY CENTERS, ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS THAT WE VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO WAS WITH THE APPROVAL OF PHASE THREE THAT WE WOULD DO THE AMENITY CENTER, GET THAT APPROVED PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD WITH PHASE FOUR.

SO ALL THAT'S BEEN DONE AS WELL.

AND THAT WAS, AGAIN, A VOLUNTARY CONDITION THAT WE DID IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE AND THE SCOPE.

I PROVIDE ALSO A SPREADSHEET.

THESE ARE 21 ONE ITEMS THAT WE'VE HAD APPROVED FROM THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN THROUGH THE FIRST THREE PHASES, PHASES FOUR AND FIVE AND THE MENU CENTER. THAT'S 21 SEPARATE APPROVALS JUST FROM THE CITY TO GET TO THIS POINT.

THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

BREVARD COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY MELBOURNE, TILLMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT, SAINT JOHNS MULTIPLE DEP PERMITS FLORIDA FISH US ARMY CORPS.

WE HAVE A PRESERVATION AREA ON THE SITE.

THEY FOUND SOME HISTORIC ARTIFACTS.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL OF THAT AS PART OF GETTING TO HERE.

THEY'VE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, INCLUDING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT MR. ZANKA REFERRED TO OVERSIZING ROADS OVERSIZING WATER, WASTEWATER LINES, LIFT STATION, THE AMENITIES, THE STORMWATER PONDS, ALL OF THAT.

IN ANTICIPATION OF THESE FUTURE PHASES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

WE KNOW ACCESS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

WE SPENT, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY MONTHS WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF AND WORKING WITH BREVARD COUNTY, BECAUSE IT IS THEIR RIGHT OF WAY OF MALABAR ROAD.

THE PROJECT PROVIDED ALMOST 50FT OF FUTURE WIDENING AS PART OF IT FOR MALABAR ROAD, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE BEST, SAFEST CONNECTION WAS THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION THAT WE MADE AGAIN WITH BREVARD COUNTY AND WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE IT LINES UP WITH WISTERIA AVE, IT'S AN EXISTING ROADWAY.

WE ANTICIPATED THAT WITH THE FUTURE PHASES, WE WOULD WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

WE HAVE. IT'S CONSTRUCTED, IT'S ALMOST READY TO BE OPENED, AND IT WILL BE TIMED WITH THE ADJACENT TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN THAT CORRIDOR TO.

AND WE HAVE GIL RAMIREZ HERE WITH LTG THAT WILL DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.

WE HAVE AN EXISTING FIRE STATION AND POLICE STATION JUST OVER THREE MILES TO OUR EAST.

WE KNOW THERE'S A FUTURE ONE PLANNED PLAN JUST TO THE WEST THAT'S ABOUT A MILE AWAY.

AND AGAIN, AS MR. ZINK IDENTIFIED A LOT OF THESE FEES AND PARTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE AGREEING TO PAY THE HIGHER ONES IN THE FUTURE WILL HELP WITH THOSE FUTURE PROJECTS.

NOW WE HAVE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.

UTILITY CONCURRENCY.

AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE'VE PUT IN.

WE DID HAVE THE CP, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY ATTEND.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

AND WE'VE BEEN WE DO MEET ALL CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET GAIL COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. GREAT TO BE HERE AGAIN.

I HEAR YOU GUYS HAVE SOME TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. SO I CAME HERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD HEARD WERE ISSUES THE COMMUNITY HAD BROUGHT UP.

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THE FIRST BEING CONCERNS THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONSTRUCTION WAS CAUSING DELAYS ON MALABAR ROAD AND BACKING IT UP.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ABOUT SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM COMPLETION, RIGHT? AND WHEN WE DID OUR DESIGN OF THAT SIGNAL, WE DESIGNED IT TO HAVE THE SIGNAL OPERATIONAL.

SO THE TURN LANES ARE NOT NEARLY LONG ENOUGH FOR A TWO WAY STOP CONTROLLED CONDITION.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THOSE QUEUES.

SIX WEEKS, WE GET THAT SIGNAL OPERATIONAL, WE'LL SEE THAT ALL DISSIPATE.

RIGHT? AS PART OF EVERY SIGNAL AND EVERY AGENCY.

DOES IT MATTER WHERE IN FLORIDA YOU GO, WHEN YOU HAVE SIGNALS NEXT TO YOU, YOU INTERCONNECT THEM, RIGHT? YOU MAKE THEM WORK TOGETHER SO THAT AS YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN MALABAR ROAD, YOU HIT THE GREEN AND ONE OF THEM AND YOU'LL START SEEING IF YOU DO THE SPEED LIMIT, WHOEVER IT WAS, IF YOU DO THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT GREEN, RIGHT.

IF YOU DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO SLOW YOU DOWN, RIGHT.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE THINGS.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE TIMING WORKED OUT THE WAY THAT IT WAS, BUT WE ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUES.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GET THIS DONE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

RIGHT. THAT PARTICULAR SIGNAL IS BEING DESIGNED WITH SMART SIGNAL TECHNOLOGY, SO IT IS GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS SOON AS THE MALABAR ROAD PROJECT IS DONE, IT'S GOING TO COME ONLINE AND IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS THAT OTHER SIGNALS IN THE CITY CAN'T DO, INCLUDING COLLECTING DATA ON HOW IT'S PERFORMING ON A ABOUT HALF SECOND BASIS.

OKAY. THAT INFORMATION WILL BE GIVEN TO YOUR STAFF.

YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR SIGNAL, SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF BENEFIT OUT OF THIS SIGNAL THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS WILL NOT.

IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL CONGESTION ON MALABAR ROAD, WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.

WE DESIGNED IT FOR THE FULL PROJECT, AND WITH EVERY SUBSEQUENT PHASE, WE'VE BEEN ASKED BY THE CITY TO REANALYZE RE-UP WHAT WE FOUND AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL SHOWING THE RIGHT IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT.

EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ABOVE BOARD.

YOUR STAFF HAS SEEN EVERYTHING, RIGHT? WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF EXTRA WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD.

NOW, THE ISSUES AGAIN, THAT WE'RE HAVING ARE PRIMARILY ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER PROJECTS COMING IN AND USING THAT CAPACITY ON MALABAR ROAD.

SO WE'VE DONATED THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WE'RE COMMITTING $970,000 TOWARDS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG MALABAR ROAD TO SYNCHRONIZE ALL THOSE SIGNALS AND MAKE THEM WORK MUCH, MUCH BETTER.

OBVIOUSLY IMPROVING CAPACITY, BUYING TIME TO GET THE FULL MALABAR ROAD WIDENING PROJECT GOING RIGHT.

SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN.

IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF JAKE MENTIONED, NOT ONLY DID WE ALIGN THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY RIGHT PLACE TO PUT THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE ACROSS FROM ABILENE. IT NEEDED TO ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CONNECTION.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED A CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH AS SOON AS ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, WE'LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT.

RIGHT. AND THEN THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO HOW THIS IMPACTS PEDESTRIANS AND CHILDREN IN PARTICULAR.

WELL, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A TWO WAY STOP CONTROLLED SITUATION.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CROSS MALABAR ROAD YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A GAP, A GAP THAT YOU KNOW IS VERY HARD TO FIND.

RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY, OR ELSE YOU WOULD HAVE NO ISSUES WITH YOUR LEFT TURNS.

WE'RE PUTTING IN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, CROSSWALKS ALL THE WAY AROUND, PEDESTRIAN ACTUATED.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SAFE CROSSING.

WE'RE PUTTING UP STREET LIGHTING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE INTERSECTION.

RIGHT. THAT MEETS THE STATE'S LATEST PEDESTRIAN REQUIREMENTS.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE BRIGHTER.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY AN ISSUE, BUT AGAIN, IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS WHEN THAT SIGNAL GOES OPERATIONAL, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE MY STATEMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? MR. RAMIREZ, IF YOU WILL.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

ONCE THE SYSTEM IS IN OPERATION YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MONITOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON MALABAR ROAD AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AT THAT TIME.

CORRECT? YES.

YES. THE IDEA IS THAT SIGNAL WOULD INTERCONNECT THE MALL.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING IN PHASES, BUT A LARGE NUMBER OF SIGNALS WILL COME ONLINE AND DATA WILL BE FED BACK, INCLUDING INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO RETIME THE SIGNALS IF NEEDED, IN REAL TIME.

YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. BUT HOWEVER, YOU DID SAY THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS GOING TO OUR STAFF.

YEAH. CORRECT. IT'S GOING DIRECTLY TO OUR STAFF.

RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WHAT WE NEED IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY FOR IT.

SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE FIBER OPTIC CABLE IN, THEY CAN JACK IN AND START COLLECTING THAT DATA.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE WHOLE IT'S A SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A MINUTE.

SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANKS. THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, MA'AM? YES. OKAY. SPEAKER CARDS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU.

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MAYOR. MR. DANIEL HOLMES.

HOW ARE WE DOING? MY NAME IS DANIEL HOLMES.

I LIVE AT 321 ALLISON DRIVE, SOUTHWEST.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NON HIGHLIGHTED SECTION ON THE RIGHT PLAT THERE.

I LIVE RIGHT IN ALLISON DRIVE, A PLACE THAT'S NOT HIGHLIGHTED.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE BUILDING EVERYTHING AROUND WHERE I LIVE, WHICH IN A WAY IS OKAY.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT. WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY IS THEM REITERATE THAT THEIR TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNALS ARE GOING TO FIX THE TRAFFIC ON MALABAR.

YOU HEARD THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL CITY CODES AND REGULATIONS, AND THAT SAFETY IS THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.

WELL, THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE I STILL, AS I COME OUTSIDE EVERY MORNING AND WALK DOWN TO MALABAR ROAD, I CAN SEE THE CONGESTION.

I CAN SEE THE BUS STOPS THAT ARE RIGHT AT THE END OF MY ROAD ON ALLISON DRIVE.

THERE'S A BUS STOP RIGHT THERE.

I CAN WATCH THE KIDS SIT THERE.

I WATCHED A SCHOOL BUS TODAY, SIT THERE FOR 20 MINUTES TRYING TO PICK UP KIDS, AND EVENTUALLY WERE LATE TO SCHOOL.

I DON'T SEE HOW AN INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM ALREADY BEING APPROVED IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE CONGESTION ON THAT ROAD.

WITHOUT THE ROAD BEING WIDENED, WHAT I ASK IS THAT WE MAYBE WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND WE HOLD OFF A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE CAN GET THE ROAD WIDENED TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN ALLOW MORE OF THE POPULATION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IN HERE.

WE JUST PUT IN 700 SOME HOMES IN IN THAT PLOT, THEY WANT TO PUT ANOTHER 150 AND ANOTHER 400 AND SOMETHING AFTER THAT, WITH ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT.

WE ALL KNOW ONE ENTRANCE, ONE EXITS CAN BE DEADLY.

HE'S GUARANTEEING YOU THAT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER AVENUE TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONCE MORE.

CONSTRUCTION BUILDS AND THERE'S OTHER FACILITIES THERE, BUT WE'RE RELYING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PLOTS AND LANDS TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT.

WHAT I ASK IS THAT WE JUST TAKE A STEP BACK AND WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING HERE AND WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED.

WHEN THEY PUT IN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, THEY PROMISED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CERTAIN THINGS.

THEY PUT UP AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT IS GOING TO FALL DOWN WITH THE FIRST WINDSTORM THAT WE GET.

THEY PROMISED THAT THE DRAINAGE THAT WE HAD TO PAY FOR TO GET THE WATER OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD STAY MAINTAINED, WHICH IT HASN'T.

ALL THEY DID IS PUT SAND ON TOP OF IT AND COVER THE DRAINAGE.

SO NOW THE DRAINAGE IS IN THE BACKYARD OF ALL OF OUR HOMES.

I CAUTION YOU TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

I LIVE THERE AND I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

PLEASE, LET'S JUST WAIT.

HOLD OFF UNTIL MAYBE MALABAR ROAD BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFE FOR TRAVEL.

WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE PEOPLE CAN GO UP AND DOWN MALABAR ROAD.

IT HELPS OUT OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE, OUR STUDENTS, OUR KIDS AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS TO LIVE THERE AND IN THE FACILITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MULTIPLE MULTIPLE QUESTIONS.

OKAY. SO NEXT SPEAKER, SIR, MR..

BATTEN. BILL.

BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE DEVELOPER FOR THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING SO MUCH PREPARATORY WORK THEY'RE SEEING IN THE FUTURE, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO ACT ON IT, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY INVESTING SOME A LOT OF THEIR MONEY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT STILL DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE DEALING WITH, RIGHT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT 688 HOMES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND THIS MAN BEFORE ME THAT WAS JUST SPEAKING, HE MADE THE STATEMENT WE SHOULD MAYBE JUST HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET MALABAR ROAD COMPLETED.

ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE ALLEVIATED WITH MALABAR ROAD, RIGHT? SO BUT MY SUGGESTION IS GO AHEAD AND LET THEM DO ALL THEIR DEVELOPING.

LET THEM DO ALL THEIR BUILDING THE WAY THEY'RE WANTING, THE WAY THEY'RE PLANNING, BUT LET'S DON'T POPULATE IT UNTIL WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE TO SUPPORT IT, WHICH WOULD BE MALABAR ROAD.

THAT WAY THEY CAN CONTINUE WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT MEANS THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE SALES, BUT FORTUNATELY THAT MEANS THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO BE LIVING WITH THE IMPACT THAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE WE HAD THE

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INFRASTRUCTURE COMPLETED.

SO LET THEM PROCEED.

LET THEM DO THE BUILD.

LET'S JUST DON'T POPULATE UNTIL MALABAR ROAD IS COMPLETED.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN IS THE EXPECTED COMPLETION DATE OF MALABAR ROAD? WE'RE SEEING ALL KINDS OF MONEY BEING SPENT.

WE'RE SEEING ALL KINDS OF SPECULATION SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT THIS THIS IS THE HOLDUP, THIS ONE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM THAT WE FAILED TO MEET BEFORE WE ALLOWED THE GROWTH INSTEAD OF AFTER THE GROWTH IS COMING IN.

SO THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS PLAN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, BUILD YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, THEN DO YOUR DEVELOPING, NOT DO YOUR DEVELOPING. AND THEN SAY, NOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THIS WORK? LET THEM BUILD, BUT DON'T POPULATE UNTIL IT'S EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

NEXT SPEAKER IS BRENDA STREET.

YES. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS BRENDA SHIRAKI.

I LIVE AT 311 ALLISON DRIVE IN MALABAR LAKES WEST IN PALM BAY.

I AM TREASURER OF THE MALABAR LAKES WEST HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND HAVE BEEN FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.

SO I'VE SEEN EVERYTHING GO FROM HORSES AND COWS TO TONS OF HOMES.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TO.

I CONCUR WITH THE PREVIOUS TWO SPEAKERS ALSO.

BUT I HAVE ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT MR. WISE AND HIS BUILDERS HAVE HAD REGARDING PROPERTY BUILDING NEXT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

ONE. I MISSED THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, WHICH WAS THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH.

I WATCHED IT ON TAPE AND IN THERE IT WASN'T ALL SPOKEN.

THE TRUTHS WERE NOT ENTIRELY SPOKEN.

AND JUST NOW, WHEN MR. WISE SAID LETTERS WERE SENT OUT FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THESE NEXT TWO PHASES, THEY WERE NOT.

NONE OF US GOT ANYTHING.

AND IT'S RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSES.

SO THAT IS NOT TRUE.

AND I WOULD HAVE GONE BECAUSE I GO TO ALL OF THEM BECAUSE IT AFFECTS OUR LIVES TREMENDOUSLY.

IF YOU DON'T LIVE OUT THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW.

IT IS. THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIFIC.

VERY, VERY BAD.

SO YOU KNOW, I LISTENED TO THE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, MR. OLSZEWSKI, I THINK IS HOW HE SAYS HIS NAME.

HE VOTED AGAINST THIS WHEN THEY MET THERE, AS DID TWO OTHER MEMBERS, BUT THEY WERE BEAT OUT BY ONE VOTE.

HE IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.

HE SAID. THIS PROPOSAL IS SO TROUBLING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S VERY, VERY TROUBLING FOR ANYONE ELSE ALSO WHO LIVES OFF OF MALABAR ROAD TO ADD MORE HOMES AND MORE PEOPLE BEFORE MALABAR ROAD IS WIDENED.

IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE.

THERE IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY CAN GET ANOTHER WAY IN.

THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT IT.

BRENTWOOD LAKES IS RIGHT THERE.

WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE OR EXIT.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I'M SORRY. AND NOW THEY WANT TO ADD 600 MORE HOMES IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT OR A TRAFFIC JAM, WHICH THERE IS EVERY DAY.

NOW THAT SCHOOL IS IN SESSION AND AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE IS TRYING TO ATTEND TO SOMEONE IN A HEALTH CRISIS, SUCH AS A HEART ATTACK, THAT PERSON WILL DIE AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR HANDS.

BECAUSE DO WE REALLY NEED THAT MANY MORE HOMES RIGHT NOW IN TILLMAN LAKES? WHY CAN'T WE WAIT UNTIL MALVAR ROAD IS WIDENED? IF A FIRE TRUCK NEEDED TO ENTER THE TILLMAN LAKES DEVELOPMENT OR OUR DEVELOPMENT AT 345 ON A SCHOOL DAY, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH ALL THE TRAFFIC, EVEN IF THE CARS TRIED TO PULL OVER, BECAUSE THERE AREN'T PLACES TO PULL OVER.

THERE'S BRIDGES THERE.

I JUST I DIDN'T GET TO SAY.

I WANTED TO SAY, BUT WE'RE NOT ARGUING APPROVAL.

WE'RE JUST ARGUING WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS.

THANK YOU. PUT IT OFF, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER.

MR. SCOTT VIRGIN.

IS THAT CORRECT? VIRGIN.

GOOD EVENING. I'M SCOTT VIRGIN.

I LIVE AT 441 ALLISON DRIVE.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF PHASE TWO, MALABAR LAKES.

THE REASON I'M HERE IS BASICALLY, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING OF THE HOUSES.

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THAT'S FINE. EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN.

BUT AGAIN, TRAFFIC IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN.

THERE'S NO IN OR OUT. WE CAN'T GET OUT.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, BELIEVE ME.

TAKE A RIDE DOWN. COME DOWN IN THE MORNING.

COME DOWN AT NIGHT. I MEAN, JUST COME IN HERE.

IT WAS ALL THE WAY FROM MY STREET AT MALABAR LAKES, AND IT WAS ALMOST UP TO THE PART STORE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, TRAFFIC WAS JAMMED UP THAT BAD.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ALL THESE HOUSES.

WELL, THAT'S JUST GOING TO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THE TRAFFIC AND TO PUT THEM IN.

I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT JUST FOR A SECOND, YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ALL THIS IN, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO WIDEN THE ROAD.

SO IMAGINE THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE ROAD.

AND NOW ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO TRY TO GET OUT DURING CONSTRUCTION TIME.

CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT GRIDLOCK IS UNBELIEVABLE.

NOW IT'S GOING TO BRING A WHOLE NEW MEANING IF YOU TRY TO DO THIS.

YOU PUT THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE AGAIN.

AND THIS IS JUST THIS IS NOT A SMALL ONE WHERE THEY WERE CUTTING ACROSS NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, MARKET BASKET, WHICH WENT QUITE WELL.

AND EVEN THAT CREATED IF YOU WENT BY THERE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC BACKUP THERE WAS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS JUST NOT THE TIME TO JUST KEEP FUNNELING MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

NO ONE'S GOING TO MOVE, NO ONE'S GOING TO GET EMERGENCY SERVICES.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, DAY TO DAY LIVING IS BECOMING A HORROR SHOW.

I MOVED OUT THERE 20 YEARS AGO WITH THE ASSURANCE THAT THAT LAND BACK THERE WAS CONSERVATION LAND, THAT THEY COULD NOT BUILD ON IT, AND THAT IT WAS FLOOD LAND.

AND I HAD TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE MIRACULOUSLY, BY THE HAND OF GOD, ALL OF THAT'S GONE AWAY.

SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT OUT THERE NOW.

AND THAT'S FANTASTIC.

HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T TURN US ALL INTO A MASSIVE FLOOD ZONE BECAUSE OF IT.

AND I ASSUME THESE GENTLEMEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING ENOUGH TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.

BUT THAT IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

AS FAR AS THE EXIT IS CONCERNED, I KEEP HEARING MALABAR ROAD, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MALABAR ROAD.

IT'S GOING TO BE WITH SAINT JOHN'S CUT ACROSS BEFORE THEY PUT ANOTHER EXIT.

SO IN ADDITION TO HAVING MALABAR ROAD WIDE, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED SO THEY CAN HAVE THE EXIT SO PEOPLE CAN GET OUT IF NEED BE.

BECAUSE NOT ONLY WILL THE PEOPLE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT NOT GET OUT, WE'RE NOT GETTING OUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WAIT BEHIND THEM TO GET OUT.

SO THAT PUTS US AT THE BACK OF THE LINE.

LIKE I SAID, 20 YEARS WE BUILT THERE.

YES, PROGRESS HAS TO COME ALONG.

BUT PLEASE LOOK AT IT.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND.

AND DON'T LOOK AT A MAP BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T DESCRIBE IT.

TAKE A RIDE. TAKE FIVE MINUTES OF YOUR LIFE AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS.

I COME HERE TIME AND AGAIN AND WE KEEP LOOKING AT A PIECE OF PAPER THAT'S NOT OUR LIFE, THAT'S A PIECE OF PAPER.

IT'S. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOU JUST AGREED FOR THE EVENT THAT THE PARK YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DOES TO TRAFFIC DOWN THERE.

RIGHT? ANYBODY DRIVE DOWN THERE? UNBELIEVABLE.

DON'T EVEN BOTHER LEAVING YOUR HOUSE.

THAT'S WHAT WE GET WHEN SCHOOL KIDS ARE COMING IN AND OUT.

NO COURTESY WHATSOEVER.

WE CAN'T GET OFF. I CAN ALMOST SEE MY HOUSE FROM SAINT JOHN'S, AND IT CAN TAKE ME BETTER THAN TEN MINUTES TO GET THERE.

DURING SCHOOL TIME, WE NEED THE STREETS TO BE STRAIGHTENED OUT BEFORE WE KEEP ADVANCING FURTHER AND FURTHER AND JUST BURYING THAT END OF TOWN.

IT'S JUST NOT NOT CONDUCIVE TO ANYONE.

SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

MAYOR. MISS MARY ALDERSON.

OH, SHE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT.

THANK YOU. MARY.

I SAW THAT LADY BEFORE, SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO.

I HAD WISHED I'D BROUGHT MY STOOL WITH ME, BUT I DIDN'T.

BUT ANYWAY.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING.

I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT GET ON THE MIC.

MARY, CAN YOU JUST GET ON THE MIC? THANK YOU. MA'AM. I HAVE A I REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE DANGER OF THE BACKED UP TRAFFIC UNTIL UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE'S NO MEDIANS ON THE SIDE OF THOSE BRIDGES.

I HAVE TWO BRIDGES THAT LEAD TO MY HOME.

SO IF I NEED FIRE OR THE POLICE OR AN AMBULANCE AND THERE'S A TRAFFIC JAM, HOW DO THEY GET THROUGH? BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO GO INTO THE CANAL.

SO I HAVE TWO BRIDGES COMING, HEADING WEST, BUT ALSO GOING EAST.

THERE'S ONE BRIDGE COMING FROM SAINT JOHNS THAT IT'S THE SAME IDENTICAL SITUATION.

SO THERE'S NO WAY ANYBODY CAN GET TO ME TO HELP ME IF I NEED IT.

AND TO ME, THE KIND OF DANGER THAT THAT PRESENTS TO US THAT LIVE THERE SHOULD JUSTIFY SLOWING THE BUILDING AND THE CONSTRUCTION DOWN UNTIL MALABAR ROAD IS WIDENED, SO IT'LL ALL BE A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR ALL OF US.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER MR..

MR.. BUTCH HORAN.

BUTCH. AROUND 219 TRENTON AVENUE.

I GOT HERE LATE, SO I JUST BARELY GOT THE CARD IN.

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JUST TO KIND OF ECHO WHAT ALL THESE FOLKS ARE SAYING, NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR NO NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

WE CAN'T FUNCTION IN OUR CITY AS IT IS TODAY.

THERE WAS A TERRIFIC ACCIDENT.

LUCKILY, MS FIRE AND POLICE WAS ABLE TO GET THERE.

SEVERAL MEMBERS WENT TO THE PALM BAY HOSPITAL.

OTHERS HAD TO GO TO HOLMES REGIONAL.

TERRIBLE ACCIDENT.

THE ROADS ARE SO CROWDED.

USED TO. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, I WORKED OUT AT THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IT WOULD TAKE ME 20 MINUTES TO GET OUT THERE ALL THE WAY TO VIERA.

NOW IT TAKES ME 25 MINUTES JUST TO GET TO 95.

AND THEN ONCE YOU GET ON 95, EVERYTHING JAMS UP AGAIN.

BUT THAT'S OUT OF YOUR GUYS CONTROL.

BUT YOU DO CONTROL THIS CITY.

AND IT'S TIME FOR ONE OF YOU TO STAND UP AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT TO PUT THE CITY ON BIRTH CONTROL BECAUSE WE'RE OVERPOPULATED AND THE ROADS CANNOT HANDLE IT.

LIFE COULD BE LOST BECAUSE MS FIRE OR POLICE CANNOT GET TO THE RESIDENTS DUE TO THE TRAFFIC.

LIKE SOMEONE JUST SAID, YOU GUYS GET OUT THERE AND DRIVE AROUND AT 330 IN THE AFTERNOON.

SEE WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC CONDITIONS IS OUT THERE.

THEN COME BACK AGAIN ABOUT 5:00 AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR CITY.

DON'T JUST STAY HERE AROUND CITY HALL.

GO DOWN SAN FILIPPO.

GO DOWN MALABAR ROAD.

GO UP BABCOCK.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

BABCOCK IS TERRIBLE.

AND JUST LIKE SOMEONE ELSE JUST SAID, THESE CURTIS DRIVERS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN PALM BAY WILL NOT GIVE YOU A BREAK TO MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT OFF OF THOSE LANES. YOU JUST SIT THERE UNTIL YOU GET TOTALLY FRUSTRATED AND YOU TAKE A CHANCE AND JUST RUN OUT THERE.

SO I WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK HARD ABOUT THAT.

AND GRANTED, I UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, BUT YOU GOT TO CONTROL THAT GROWTH.

AND I HOPE ONE OF YOU STANDS UP AND HAS THE COJONES TO SAY IT.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MR.. ROBERT STICE.

GOOD EVENING. ROBERT STICE, 1796 LYNBROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

GENTLEMEN, HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? I'VE USED WORDS LIKE SUBURBAN GRIDLOCK.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE YOU FROM BABCOCK TO GET TO THE LIGHT DURING RUSH HOUR.

AND MR. WEINBERG, YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION REALLY BOTHERED ME WHEN I TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC.

YOU SAID, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN NEW YORK AND JERSEY.

I'M FROM THERE.

OKAY, BUT THEY HAVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MOVE TENS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

OKAY. WE DON'T.

THE SMART THING TO DO IS TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN BUILD THE ISSUE BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY VOTE.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE REDUCING THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

I MEAN, I HAVE TO TELL YOU REAL QUICKLY, I HAD TO GO TO URGENT CARE.

I'M HACKING OVER HERE.

MY MEDICATION. THAT'S OKAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THE GAL SAYS TO ME.

DO YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH PALM BAY? I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS CONVERSATION HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER FACILITY.

I HAD THE SAME THING.

YOUR RESIDENTS ARE TALKING.

ARE YOU GUYS IN THE STREETS? MR. MAYOR, IT OUGHT TO BE MANDATED THAT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER VISITS THAT LOCATION AND SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE DEAL WITH.

THESE ARE YOUR RESIDENTS.

THESE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS.

BUILDING WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, I MEAN IMPACT FEES THAT CRITICAL THAT YOU'VE GOT TO PUT A HUGE DETRIMENT ON YOUR FELLOW RESIDENTS.

THIS IS INSANE.

ONE EXIT.

IN AND OUT. I MEAN, ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOUR RESIDENTS, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO YOU? IS IT ALL FABRICATED? IS IT ALL A BUNCH OF BULL? OR IS IT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER? WHY HAVEN'T EACH OF YOU GONE TO THESE LOCATIONS IF YOU HAVEN'T? I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR A THANK YOU.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHY.

WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS? OKAY. I'VE HAD PEOPLE I KNOW, PEOPLE ON THE ZONING BOARD WHO WON'T LEAVE MY HOA AT 7 A.M.

OR 4:00, BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT. I'LL TELL YOU WHO THAT IS ON THE SIDE.

BUT THIS IS INSANE.

THIS IS OVERBUILDING.

YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF IS STRUGGLING.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT SOUTH WITH WITH A FIREMAN TO PROCLAIM THAT THEY CAN'T GET TO A RESIDENCE FOR 18 TO 20 MINUTES.

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THAT'S DEADLY.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO TALK TO ME ABOUT TRAFFIC.

IT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS AIN'T JERSEY, AND THIS AIN'T NEW YORK.

AND I MOVED HERE FOR A REASON.

AND WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING, FORGIVE ME, BUT YOU'RE MUCKING IT UP.

MAYOR, THIS COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT.

MA'AM. THANK YOU.

GOOD. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS KIM ROSENKER ON BEHALF OF CHAPARRAL PROPERTIES, LLC.

THIS IS A WHAT YOU REPEATEDLY HEAR IS WHAT COMES FIRST THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE MONEY, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG? THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE WILL BE SOLUTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ADOPTED IN THE AGREEMENT THE MAYOR SIGNED, THIS IS FOR WIDENING OF MALABAR IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

THE $969,700 WHICH IF THIS 157 UNIT SUBDIVISION.

PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. PLAT.

PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.

PLAT AND FINAL PLAT.

JUST BEFORE A.

IF THAT'S APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT $969 CAN GO TO YOUR P AND E CAN GO TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

GO TO WHAT IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO DO.

IT'S PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE.

IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED TO PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE AND THEY'RE PAYING IT ALL IN ADVANCE.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE 167 UNITS, NOT THE 522 UNITS, BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND WE TALK TO THESE RESIDENTS AFTER THE MEETING LAST TIME WE'VE HEARD THAT.

AND AND THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS, BUT YOU DON'T GET INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT THE PAYMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT.

SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE COMMENTS, I CAN'T ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUES.

I'M NOT A SAFETY EXPERT.

SO I HOPE PEOPLE HERE IN PALM BAY WILL DO THE SAME.

REGARDING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AGAIN, WAS BASED ON PAYS ALL OF PHASE FOUR AND ALL OF PHASE FIVE.

AND SO IT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE ENTIRETY OF THE REST OF THIS BUILD OUT, NOT JUST THE 167 HOMES.

AND IT'S GOING IN IN ADVANCE OF PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE.

AND YOU'VE HEARD MR. RAMIREZ SAY HOW THIS WILL HELP, AND THAT IS THE EXPERT TESTIMONY BEFORE YOU THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY YOUR STAFF AND APPROVED.

AS TO TIME FRAMES, EVEN IF YOU APPROVE THIS ONE PLAT TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE WELL OVER A YEAR BEFORE ONE HOUSE CAN BE POPULATED.

SO THERE IS TIME TO MOVE SOME OF THIS FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUT AT LEAST THE MONEY WILL BE THERE FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THIS, THIS MALABAR ROAD WIDENING.

SO THE DEVELOPER HAS TAKEN A STEP BACK, AS REQUESTED.

WE WERE ASKING FOR THE 522 HOMES.

WE'VE BEEN COMING UP TO YOU FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS, AND WE DID STEP BACK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FIRE FEE AND THE POLICE FEE THAT WE'RE AGREEING TO PAY NOW, AND WE'RE PAYING THE INFRASTRUCTURE FEES NOW.

SO THE DEVELOPER HAS COME A LONG WAY.

THEY DO RECOGNIZE THE CONCERNS AND THEY WANT THEIR RESIDENTS TO BE SAFE AS WELL.

I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2017, AS I SHOWED YOU, AS MR. WEISS SHOWED YOU, THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE WAS APPROVED IN 2022.

UNDER YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCES AND YOUR NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS PROJECT IS ESSENTIALLY VESTED BY 183 .01 JC BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, BECAUSE WE'VE PUT IN THESE INFRASTRUCTURE AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO DATE.

SO IT'S NOT A ZONING TO ME.

IT'S IF YOU MEET THE CODE, YOU SHOULD APPROVE IT.

WE DO MEET THE CODE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE JUST THE FOR A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN AND THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN.

FINAL PLAT FOR FOR A CONTINUE.

THE OTHER PRELIMINARY ONES TO OCTOBER 17TH.

AND THAT WAY HOPEFULLY TO WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHEN THESE PROGRAMS ARE COMING ON BOARD WHEN THE EXPANSIONS ARE.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, AND I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE ANY STAFF RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD KNOW THAT EITHER.

SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF FOR A AND ONLY FOR THE FINAL PLOT OF 167 UNITS AND THE CONTINUANCE OF THE OTHER THREE.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN. WEINBERG.

YEAH. I JUST GOT A QUESTION FOR MISS SHERMAN.

ANY IDEA OF THE TIMELINE OF WIDENING MALABAR ROAD? WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE STATE FUNDED PDA RIGHT NOW.

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THAT WILL CONCLUDE THIS YEAR, AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL START THE ACTUAL DESIGN.

THE DESIGN WILL TAKE EASILY 18 MONTHS.

WE ONLY HAVE HALF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUIRED FOR MALABAR ROAD WIDENING, AND THAT HAS TO BASICALLY BE ON HOLD WHILE WE'RE IN THIS STAGE ANYWAY.

SO WE ARE WE ARE REALLY LITERALLY IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS JUST TO GET THE DESIGN DONE.

AND THEN WE'RE IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO FIND CONSTRUCTION FUNDING.

PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES FOR LIKE THE ENTIRE LENGTH, YOU KNOW, WAS, I THINK $90 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE GET THE DESIGN DONE, GOING AHEAD AND TRYING TO FIND FUNDING TO DO PHASES, TO DO IT IN PHASES.

BUT THAT THAT MAY VERY WELL BE IF WE IF WE CAN GET GRANT FUNDING, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT FROM THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO.

CONSIDER DEBT SERVICE FOR.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. BRIEFLY.

WELL WHAT WAS THE DATE FOR THE CONTINUANCE? OCTOBER. OCTOBER 17TH.

IF YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE PUSHED FURTHER BACK, THAT'S FINE.

THAT WAS JUST TWO MONTHS OUT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

YES, MA'AM. WORK? NO. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I SPOKE TO MR. ZENKO EARLIER TODAY BECAUSE I WAS I HAD CONCERNS AND HE EXPRESSED IT WAS THE FIRE FEE.

THE FIRE AND THE SAFETY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE AGREED TO PAY THE THE HEIGHTENED AMOUNT NOW FOR EACH BUILDING PERMIT AS THEY COME ONLINE, ESPECIALLY WITH US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FUTURE IMPACT FEE AS WELL.

MAYOR. SO THAT'S WHERE I REALLY WAS WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND WITH STAGGERING IT IN THE WAY THAT SHE, SHE MENTIONED OVER THE PHONE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. ZENKO. SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR, WHILE SHE'S STILL ON? MR. ZANKA, I BELIEVE YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT.

SO COMPLETION, EXPECTED COMPLETION TIME WOULD BE ROUGHLY ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE EVEN THE FIRST HOUSE COULD BE MOVED INTO WOULD BE OVER A YEAR. THE INFRASTRUCTURE STILL HAS TO GO IN BEFORE THE HOUSES CAN BE BUILT, AND THE PLANS HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED YET FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK THERE AT THE CITY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED, SO THERE'S STILL CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE ROADS.

THEN EACH BUILDING PERMIT HAS TO BE PULLED.

AND SO MR. WEISS TOLD ME THAT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE ANY SINGLE HOUSE COULD BE INHABITED.

SO AT A MINIMUM A YEAR.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 521.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION, MA'AM, IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHERE MR. HOLMES WAS GOING AND THAT SURFACE WATER ISSUE THAT THEY'RE HAVING.

HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED? AND IF NOT, WHY HASN'T IT? YEAH, I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT AND IT WAS ADDRESSED.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

IT'S A SHALLOW SWALE.

BEHIND THE BACK OF THE HOUSES ARE THEIR FINISHED FLOOR.

ELEVATIONS ARE ALMOST EXACTLY EQUAL TO OURS, BUT THEY HAVE LARGER LOTS, SO THEY DROP OFF MORE THAN OURS DO.

SO THERE'S A REAR SWALE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A MAINTENANCE ITEM.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY TO US.

SO NOW THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IT, WE CAN ADDRESS IT.

WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH THEM.

I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

THEY CALLED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH SOME CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS.

ANOTHER TIME, THERE WAS A STOCKPILE OF MATERIAL THAT WAS HIGH AND WAS KIND OF BLOWING OVER THEIR AREA.

SO EVERY TIME I THINK THEY'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT AS SOON AS WE WERE AWARE OF IT, WE TOOK CARE OF IT VERY QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY.

AND SO THAT'S JUST ALWAYS HOW WE'VE OPERATED AS A NEIGHBOR.

WE VOLUNTEERED THE TALLER FENCE THAT THEY MENTIONED EARLIER.

WE INSTALLED THAT IMMEDIATELY AT THE BEGINNING OF CONSTRUCTION TO HELP TRY TO BE PROVIDE A BETTER BUFFER FOR THEM.

AND SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE OPERATED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS WITH THEM.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

FIRST TIME WE HEARD ABOUT THE DRAINAGE CONCERN SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT NOW THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IT.

AND THIS CONTINUANCE.

THIS CONTINUANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WILL HELP US WITH THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

I THINK THIS COUNCIL KNOWS US PRETTY WELL.

WE'LL BE BACK. YOU'LL HEAR FROM US.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE TO HELP TAKE AND RESOLVE ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS CONCERNS.

THANK YOU. THEN MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, MASTER CHIEF BATTEN SAID, LET YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS NOW, BUT NOT SELL A HOUSE UNTIL IT'S WIDENED.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HEAR THAT BE ADDRESSED.

YEAH, I'M NOT THE DEVELOPER, BUT I WOULDN'T SPEND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD SOMETHING AND NOT BE ABLE TO EVER SELL A LOT, EVER TO SELL A HOUSE.

I WOULDN'T MAKE THAT INVESTMENT PERSONALLY.

I DON'T KNOW A DEVELOPER THAT WOULD.

AND AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN AGREEING TO THE HIGHER FEES, REDUCING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, THE APPROVAL.

WE'RE AGREEING TO PAY ALMOST $1 MILLION UP FRONT IF THIS PLOT IS APPROVED WITH A PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY REVIEWED AND APPROVED,

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YOU'VE EXECUTED IT.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN.

WE CAN'T. FOUR LANE MALABAR ROAD, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP IT.

AND EACH ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, WE'VE DONE THIS CORRIDOR.

A LOT OF THEM ARE SUBDIVISIONS WITH SINGLE ACCESS POINTS.

THAT DOES HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL DOES THAT.

IT DOES CREATE GAPS IN TRAFFIC TO HELP WITH LEFT TURNS.

SO IT DOES HELP THE OVERALL CORRIDOR.

AS MR. RAMIREZ IDENTIFIED EARLIER.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. JUST IF YOU CAN GET WITH THE RESIDENTS OFFLINE, SIR.

YES, DEFINITELY. THEY ALWAYS GRAB MY EAR AFTER THE MEETINGS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. WISE. LAST QUESTION NOW, WITH THIS PROJECT WAS PART OF YOUR THE PROPERTY WAS ON DEDICATED TO THE FUTURE WIDENING OF MALABAR.

YEAH. IT WAS 48 OR 50FT.

WAS THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS PROVIDE ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY SO THAT IT CAN'T BE FOUR LANED.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PROJECTS ON THIS CORRIDOR, INCLUDING THIS PROJECT.

YEAH. AND MR. SHERMAN IDENTIFIED EARLIER, YOU HAVEN'T ACQUIRED ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY YET.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE PD PROCESS.

SO AS THE PD STUDY GETS DONE THIS YEAR, IT'LL IDENTIFY ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO ACQUIRE MORE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'LL IDENTIFY WHERE STORMWATER PONDS NEED TO GO OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THEN IT'LL START TO IDENTIFY FUNDING MECHANISMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THE PROCESS IS MOVING ALONG.

IT DOES TAKE A LONG TIME, OF COURSE, ESPECIALLY FOR A MAJOR CORRIDOR.

BUT EVEN A PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE CLEARLY IDENTIFIES THE TABLE, THE AREAS OF CONCERN AND HOW OUR PROJECTS CONTRIBUTE TO EACH ONE OF THOSE.

SO THE PHASING PART OF IT IS PART OF THE LONGER TERM SOLUTION AS WELL.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE PROACTIVELY BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND STREETLIGHTS AND SIDEWALKS ARE PROVIDED AND ALONG ALONG MALABAR.

YEAH. SO YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL REGIONAL TRAIL ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF MALABAR ROAD.

I SAW THE KIDS GET HOME FROM SCHOOL.

THEY RUN OUT OF FRED POPPY PARK.

I SEE BIKERS UP AND DOWN THAT CORRIDOR ALL THE TIME.

DOG WALKERS.

AND IT'S NOT SAFE TO TRY TO CROSS MALABAR ROAD BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFYING.

SO THIS TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD CREATE THAT.

IT'LL BRIGHTEN UP THE INTERSECTION.

IT HAS THE CROSSWALK STRIPING, AND THE SIGNAL IS DESIGNED FOR IT.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S ALSO TIMED WITH ALL OF THAT REST OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

AND YOU'RE FINALLY GOING TO GET SOME REAL TIME DATA THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR THE CORRIDOR BETTER.

AND I WOULD SAY ON A POSITIVE, AS YOU TRAVEL WEST ON MALABAR, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT AREA, THAT INTERSECTION, IT DOES GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT FEEL WHAT MALABAR SHOULD LOOK LIKE, EXCEPT FOR THE FOUR LANES.

AND BUT I DO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE CONCERN OF THE RESIDENT AS WELL.

AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I HAVE A TASTE TODAY.

I JUST EXPERIENCED SOMETHING TODAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY, OFF OF BABCOCK.

IT TOOK ME NEARLY, YOU KNOW, OVER WAY OVER 30 MINUTES TO TRAVEL SIX MILES, YOU KNOW, UP NORTH, NORTH, SOUTH OFF OF BABCOCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

BUT THE OVERALL CONCERN, IT IS GROWING.

THE TRAFFIC CONCERN, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY WE HAVE WE HAVE SOMETHING.

I MEAN, I SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE PUTTING THEIR THEIR FUNDING FORWARD, TRYING TO HELP US SOLVE A VERY CHALLENGING ISSUE.

BUT ALL SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO PALM BAY, MELBOURNE, WEST MELBOURNE, SOUTH BREVARD COUNTY.

THOSE ALL THE MAIN MAJOR CORRIDORS ARE HAVING THE SAME STRUGGLES.

AND IT IS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

YEARS OF STUDIES AND DESIGNS TO BE ABLE TO HELP IMPROVE THEM.

AND A LOT OF THAT IS BROUGHT FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS AND PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

YEAH. MR. MAYOR.

YES, SIR. I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.

MR. WEISS, IF YOU WILL, THE NEARLY $1 MILLION IN TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, WHICH YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY UP FRONT.

IS THAT CONTINGENT UPON THE REST OF THE PHASES BEING APPROVED? IT'S CONTINGENT UPON, IF I REMEMBER THE AGREEMENT THAT THIS FINAL PLAT IS APPROVED, THIS FINAL PLAT IS APPROVED.

IT'S NULL AND VOID. THAT'S HOW IT WAS WRITTEN.

ANY OF THE FOUR PHASES, ANY OF THE FOUR PHASES, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. OKAY.

ALONG THE SAME VEIN THAT COUNCILMAN WEINBERG'S TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE CONSIDERING HIGHER TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.

AND SO THAT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN AS WELL FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE ARE AWARE OF THAT FOR NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, BUT OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOOD WITH QUESTIONS.

OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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MOTION. YES, SIR.

I NEED A MOTION. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.

WITH ONLY APPROVAL OF FOR A CONTINUANCE.

AS OF NOW TO OCTOBER 17TH FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

GOT A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

SO, AS I SAID, I SPOKE TO MR. ZENKO BECAUSE I HAD STRONG CONCERNS ON THIS PROJECT, BUT I WAS MUCH AT EASE WITH A LOT OF THE COMPROMISES SHE AND THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO MAKE.

THE REASON WHY I WAS A LITTLE HESITANT IN THE MOTION.

I'M FINE WITH PUSHING IT BACK FURTHER.

I'M OPEN FOR DIALOG, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THE MOTION SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DIALOG FIRST.

SO IF IT NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT DATE OR WHATNOT.

I'M FINE WITH AMENDING MY MOTION TOO, SO THAT'S ALL.

MAIER. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. A COUPLE OF THINGS IS, AS YOU HEARD FROM MISS SHERMAN MARLBOROUGH ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE WIDENED FOR AT LEAST 4 OR 5 YEARS OR EVEN LONGER THAN THAT.

YOU SECONDED. YEAH.

FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE THE COST OF IT, WHICH IS ASTRONOMICAL AND ACTUALLY THE COST, IT'S ROUGHLY ESTIMATED AS OF RIGHT NOW IN 4 OR 5 YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN IT IS NOW.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND AND FRANKLY ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY TO BUILD ROADS, IT ADDS ABOUT 50% TO THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY LONG TIME BEFORE MALABAR ROAD GETS WIDENED.

HE WILL EVENTUALLY, BUT EVENTUALLY IS THE PROBLEM.

AND I'VE BEEN ON MALABAR ROAD OUT THERE MANY TIMES AND I KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS LIKE.

IT'S BRUTAL RIGHT NOW.

IN ADDITION TO THAT CONCERN.

NOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S HOOKED UP TO THE ITS SYSTEM WILL WILL HELP A LITTLE BIT ALLEVIATE SOME OF IT.

BUT ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS IN THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, IF WE, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THE ENTIRE 521 LOTS WITH ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT. THE PEOPLE LIVING IN HERE ARE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.

I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT AT THIS POINT, APPROVING THE THE 167 LOTS IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. BUT THE REST OF IT I HAVE SERIOUS, SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT.

SO THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WEINBERG. I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THE WIDENING OF MALABAR ROAD RIGHT NOW.

WE KNOW THAT ELLIS ROAD HAS BEEN LOOKED AT BEING WIDENED FOR, I DON'T KNOW, I'D SAY MAYBE TWO DECADES.

I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY BACK THEN.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, GIL.

MR. RAMIREZ, YOU WORKED FOR THE COUNTY WHEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAPPENING.

SO I KIND OF LIKE WHAT MR. HOLMES SAID. KIND OF LIKE, TAKE A PAUSE ON THIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN AGREEMENTS.

BUT MALABAR ROAD TODAY IS.

AND FOR THE RECORD, I TRAVEL THIS CITY QUITE EXTENSIVELY.

EXTENSIVELY. THE NORTHWEST AREA, THE SOUTHWEST AREA IN PARTICULAR PALM BAY REGIONAL PARK, YOU JUST ENCOUNTERED BABCOCK STREET.

YES, SIR. I'VE BEEN ENCOUNTERING THAT AS WELL.

I'M. I'M TAKING A BETTER FEEL FOR OUR CITY.

I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I'M AGAINST THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT AND THAT THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE THAT I'M HAVING WITH THIS.

SO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE US.

AS FOR ME MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DISCUSS.

I THINK UP TO THIS POINT, CHAPARRAL HAS BEEN A BLESSING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE IMPROVEMENTS, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO MOVE FORWARD.

I COMMEND THE DEVELOPER TO TO BRING IN FORTH SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD INVEST IN OUR CITY.

RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING ADDITIONAL HOMES ON THAT CORRIDOR.

I'M REALLY NOT GENTLEMEN.

AND AND THAT'S.

I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS MOTION.

DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, I AM, I YOU KNOW, I MADE MY COMMENT EARLIER.

I'M I'M SOMEWHAT ON THE FENCE ON WITH THIS PROJECT, SOME ASPECT OF IT, AS YOU SAID, YOU LISTED QUITE A BIT.

THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE WITH THIS PROJECT.

I MEAN, YOU AS YOU TRAVEL WEST, YOU GET TO THAT INTERSECTION.

IT'S A DIFFERENT FEEL.

I MEAN, THE IMPROVEMENT IS JUST PHENOMENAL.

BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT.

IT STILL REMAINS A TWO LANE TWO LANE YOU KNOW, ROAD.

AND I, I DROVE IN EARLY MONTHS, MAYBE LAST YEAR SOMETIME AS THE PROJECT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

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THEY CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE MY PREFERENCE AND THEY CERTAINLY LIKE CERTAIN THINGS, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT IT IS IT IS CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, A THE IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THAT INTERSECTION.

I APPRECIATE I LIKE THE FACT THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO APPROVE TONIGHT IS, IS THE, YOU KNOW, 100 AND A CERTAIN SECTION OF IT.

IT'S NOT THE FULL THE FULL, YOU KNOW, 500 AND PLUS HOMES, BUT BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW I, YOU KNOW, TIMING, TIMING, TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

IT'S CRITICAL. WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE IT IS BAD, ESPECIALLY THAT SECTION OF THE OF THE OF THE CITY.

IF THERE'S EVER AN EVENT DOWN THERE FORGET IT.

I MEAN, TRAFFIC GOES BACK PAST, YOU KNOW, JUPITER.

WE SEE IT WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AT FRED POPPE REGIONAL PARK.

YEAH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TIME.

JUST DISCOURAGING. TURN AROUND.

AND SOME RESIDENT MENTIONED IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

WE THOUGHT WHEN WE OPENED YOU KNOW, HERITAGE PARKWAY, IT WAS GOING TO SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY UNDER WAS BUILT ON THE PRETEXT FOR EMERGENCY AS AN EMERGENCY CORRIDOR.

BUT WE JUST QUICKLY REALIZED THAT WE OVERGROWN THAT.

YEAH. AS AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE PROJECT, AND I WOULD GO RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU, MAYOR, AND I CAN SUPPORT IT TONIGHT AS WELL.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU MADE THE MOTION.

YES. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY SPEAK BECAUSE I WANT US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO. THANK YOU. MADAM ATTORNEY.

YES. I THINK WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF CONCERNS.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT SEEM TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF.

HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT, YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAT APPROVAL, IF THE PLOT THAT THEY'RE SEEKING TO GET APPROVAL FOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AT THAT POINT, YOUR APPROVAL BECOMES PRIMARILY ADMINISTRATIVE.

AND WHAT BECAUSE WE ARE IN QUASI RATIO.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED EXPERT TESTIMONY.

YOU'VE HAD A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

YOU'VE HAD A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.

YOU HAVE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT REPORT.

REPORT FROM THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE FROM THE EXPERTS SAY THAT THIS PLOT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED.

YOU MAY NOW HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD HAVE APPROVED THE PLAN, BUT YOU HAVE.

SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROCEED WITH THEIR PLOT, SO LONG AS THEIR PLOT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.

AND AT THIS POINT, ALL OF YOUR TESTIMONY IS, IS THAT THE PLOT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, MADAM ATTORNEY, I'LL JUST SAY THIS MR. WISE HAS HAS ELOQUENTLY PLACED FOR US, AND I'LL RAISE THIS UP ALL THE TIMES THIS HAS COME BEFORE US.

BUT I, I ALWAYS RECALL MR. WISE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN.

WELL, I'M SEEING IT AGAIN.

I'M SEEING IT AGAIN, AND I'M NOT FOR THIS TODAY.

SO WHEREVER THAT LEADS ME I'LL BE VOTING NAY ON THIS MAIER.

YES, YES.

IF WE DO DENY THIS BECAUSE IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL, AND I WILL NEED TO PROVIDE THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW IF YOU ALL CAN.

NOT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, CAN YOU FIND THE COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THAT? YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE VOTING TO DENY, WHICH I'M CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL IS GOING TO TELL ME WHAT I'M GOING TO COME FORTH WITH, DENY AND TABLE IT TO THAT DATE SO THAT I CAN BRING BACK THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU DENY, I HAVE TO BE ABLE AND WE'VE DONE IT SOME OTHER TIMES IN OTHER SITUATIONS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO CREATE AN ORDER THAT PROVIDES REASONS.

AND I'M GOING TO NEED A LITTLE TIME FOR THAT.

SO I DO ASK IF THAT WHERE YOU GO THAT YOU DO PROVIDE ME THAT OPPORTUNITY.

OKAY, MA'AM.

RIGHT NOW I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

RIGHT? SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A DENIAL OR IF WE'RE TABLING THIS RIGHT NOW.

I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE THE 160 SOMEONE HOMES.

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AND I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW, I'M I'M I'M I'M A NO DEPUTY MAYOR.

MR. WEISS, I ALREADY CLOSED IT.

I ALREADY CLOSED IT.

OKAY, WE CAN CAN REOPEN IT.

THAT'S FINE. SOME, MISS SMITH, WHAT YOU WOULD NEED FROM US IS TO GIVE YOU TO FRAME A REASONING FOR DENIAL.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M GOING TO NEED TIME TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE TESTIMONY, THE RECORD.

CASE LAW.

TO BE ABLE TO CREATE AN ORDER BASED UPON COUNSEL'S RULING.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE APPROVING SOMETHING, THAT'S THE ORDER.

IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE PLAT, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S YOUR ORDER.

IF YOU DENY IT, THERE IS NO ORDER THAT TELLS THEM WHAT THE BASIS OF THAT DENIAL IS AND WHAT, SO THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO APPEAL.

AND I'M GOING TO NEED A LITTLE TIME.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL IS GOING TO DO, I WOULD ASK THEM TO AT LEAST GIVE ME TO SEPTEMBER 19TH TO BE ABLE TO DRAFT THAT ORDER FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE RECORD AND FIND WHAT EVIDENCE FROM ANY EXPERTS WAS SUBMITTED HERE THAT SUPPORTS THAT THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WHAT EVIDENCE THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE HAD TO PROVIDE THAT THEY THEY SOMEHOW HAVE NOT MET THE CODE.

SO I'M GOING TO NEED TIME BECAUSE AS I SAID, LEGALLY, ONCE THEY PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THEIR PLOT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOUR ROLE BECOMES ADMINISTRATIVE.

AND RIGHT NOW, I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO IT.

I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED MORE TO LOOK AT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT COUNCIL'S DECISION.

SO. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I HAD TO SPEAK BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE WAS GETTING AT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU SEE THE VOICE RECORDINGS, EVERYTHING'S BEING RECORDED.

EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, REFERENCED IN THE FUTURE POTENTIALLY.

SO THAT'S WHY I SPOKE TO MR. HRINKO EARLIER TO TRY TO FIND A COMPROMISE, TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH JUST 167.

BECAUSE WE MAY SEE THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I REMEMBER BEFORE WE'VE HAD TO PROVIDE I'LL SAY, MISS MISS SMITH WITH AMMUNITION ON THE REASON FOR DENIAL IN THE PAST. SO THAT'S ALL.

OKAY. WELL, RIGHT NOW, MR. WEINBERG OR COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT MISS SMITH IS SAYING, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE COULD BE A REAL PROBLEM IN DENYING THIS.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND A LEGAL REASON TO SUPPORT OUR DENIAL.

BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IN PLACE.

THE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED BEFORE AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.

I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND AND APPROVE THE 167.

THAT WAY IT WILL GIVE MISS SMITH TIME TO TO DO HER RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING.

AS FAR AS BEFORE, WE APPROVE THE THE REST OF THE 521 LOTS IN THIS SUBDIVISION.

THAT'S MY THINKING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO ADD MAYOR.

YEAH. SO I APPRECIATE YOU WEIGHING IN AND JUST CLARIFY, MAKE CLARIFY THINGS FOR US.

LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT THAT I LIKE.

I LIKE, I APPRECIATE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE IMPROVEMENT.

I'M CERTAINLY ON THE FENCE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE NOT.

SO IT'S ON RECORD THAT NOT ONE HOME WILL BE BUILT FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.

IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT OR LATER? OKAY. THAT GIVES ME SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT.

CONSIDERING THE THE THE DIFFICULTY WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

SO, MAYOR, TAKING IT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT, SIR, SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

AYE, AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SAY NAY.

NAY. PASSES 3 TO 1.

[02:00:01]

MADAM SMITH.

OR I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND MA'AM, THIS IS PART TWO.

THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT.

YOU'VE APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE STATED BEFORE BE REPEATED HERE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT ALL AGAIN.

AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE 167 UNITS FOR THE FINAL PLAT.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT THIS ITEM IS, IS THE FINAL PLAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM, WE GOT SPEAKER CARDS SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK UP.

THANK YOU, MISS MARY ALDERSON.

SAY AGAIN. MA'AM. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. SCOTT. VIRGIN.

SCOTT. VIRGIN. 441 ALLISON, DRIVE.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MALABAR ROAD BEING WIDENED AND SO FORTH.

AND AS FAR AS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REGULATION IS AS TO HOW MANY HOMES OR HOW MANY RESIDENTS CAN BE IN ONE EXIT.

BUT THAT EXIT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS NOT GOING TO BE ON MALABAR ROAD.

IT'S GOING TO BE GOING ACROSS FROM SAINT JOHN'S.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT SECOND EXIT.

I MEAN, IS THAT NOT A PROBLEM ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GET IN OR OUT OF THERE? NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T EXIT SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN ON MALABAR, THAT STILL CREATES A MASSIVE CONGESTION IN ONE SPOT.

ONE SPOT. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO DO IT EVERY DAY.

I GET TO EVERY, EVERY DAY MY NEIGHBORS AND MY FAMILY GET TO.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO PROGRESS, BUT AGAIN, INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.

WHY DO WE NEED TO PUT THIS IN FIRST? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IT'S JUST NOT LOGICAL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT ON THAT.

BUT, GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW, LIVE OUR LIVES FOR A MINUTE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY VERSUS PEOPLE'S LIVES.

I'VE INVESTED MY WHOLE LIFE IN MY HOUSE.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SHOW FOR MY LIFE AND MY KIDS.

IT'S JUST GETTING SQUASHED LIKE A BUG.

I MEAN, WE'RE ON HALF AND THREE QUARTER ACRE HOUSES OUT HERE, AND THE CITY HAS DECIDED THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO EVEN HAVE A LOT OF ZERO LOT LINE.

WHY? WHY CAN'T AT LEAST BE QUARTER ACRES EVEN? I MEAN, THAT'S GONE DOWN THE CRAPPER.

SO WE'RE GOING TO JAM THIS ALL IN THERE AGAIN AND FOR NO REASON.

IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN.

THE MARKET'S SLOWING DOWN AND YOU JUST GOT TO PUMP IT IN THERE.

AND THEN WHAT. AND THEN AS PEOPLE LOSE VALUE OR WHAT HAVE YOU GOES DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES TO CRAP ANYWAY.

AND STILL YOU CAN'T GET IN OR OUT OF THERE UNTIL THOSE ROADS ARE DONE.

YOU OVERLOAD IT WITH PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE STREET, THEN START CONSTRUCTION AND GRIDLOCK AND MAYHEM IS JUST EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

EVERY DAY. AND I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IT.

WE DO. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

NEXT SPEAKER, DEPUTY MAYOR, MISS BRENDA.

HI. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M JUST GOING TO READ BECAUSE I GOT CARRIED AWAY EARLIER.

THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S ALL THERE WILL EVER BE.

JUST SO YOU KNOW THIS, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO PUT ANOTHER ENTRANCE OR EXIT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

AND THEY WANT TO ADD OVER 600 MORE HOMES IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OR TRAFFIC JAM, AS I STATED EARLIER.

AND SHE RESPONDED.

CARS CAN GET BY ON THE BRIDGE.

CARS CANNOT GET BY.

THE TRAFFIC WOULD STOP, HOMES WOULD BURN.

PEOPLE WOULD DIE IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR AN AMBULANCE.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

DO WE DO WE WANT TO GO FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS, OR DO WE WANT TO GET MORE MONEY AND RISK THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS? THAT'S OUR PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.

I HAD MY OWN BUSINESS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT HOW THEY'RE INSINUATING.

YOU WILL NOT GET A PENNY UNLESS YOU APPROVE THIS.

THAT IS ABSURD.

THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

AND IT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE TOLERATED BY ANY OF YOU.

BUSINESS SHOULD NOT BE RUN LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ARGUING APPROVAL OVERALL.

WE KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE.

IT'S GREAT ALL THAT, BUT YOU NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS, OTHER THINGS TO DO.

THEY PLACE THE LIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO TILLMAN LAKES.

IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

EARLIER, THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAID, ALL THE LIGHTS WILL WORK, SO PEOPLE GET OUT.

WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GET OUT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THAT LANE OF TRAFFIC.

THE TRAFFIC WILL GO FROM THAT LIGHT PAST OUR DEVELOPMENT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

A LITTLE FEW CARS WILL GO.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET US OUT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET PEOPLE FROM TILLMAN LAKES OUT UNLESS THEY GET THE LIGHT.

SO IT'S NOT RIGHT.

HE ISN'T TELLING YOU THE FULL STORY.

SO IT'LL YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO MAKE PALM BAY THE PLACE TO BE, BUT YOU SHOULD NOT IGNORE THE SAFETY CONCERNS OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS.

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DO WE HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO MAINTAIN OUR WAY OF LIFE? I FOUGHT THIS AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I CAME AND I SPOKE TO YOU, AND I SPOKE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD EVERY TIME, AND IT WAS APPROVED.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR ATTORNEY SAYS, BUT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT THAT MOMENT BECAUSE I BROUGHT THESE THINGS UP AGAIN AND NOW THEY'RE HAPPENING.

SO THERE MUST BE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU CAN PLEAD TO MAYBE HOLD IT OFF A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, I ASK YOU TO PUT A STOP ON THE BUILDING OF ANY MORE HOMES ON PALM BAY ROAD AND IN TILLMAN LAKES.

UNDERSTAND, SAFETY IS OUR MAIN CONCERN FOR YOUR CURRENT RESIDENCE AND YOUR FUTURE RESIDENTS.

MA'AM. EXCUSE ME.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, DANIEL HOLMES.

MR. HOLMES.

THREE TWO, ONE ALLISON DRIVE, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA IN MALABAR LAKES FOR OUR FIRST PHASE.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DANGLE $900,000 ABOVE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE TO GET THIS APPROVAL.

THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ALMOST $1 MILLION, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DANGLE THIS MONEY IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.

DON'T TAKE THE BAIT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THE BAIT ON THE PREVIOUS ISSUE.

WE GOT 167 HOMES THERE.

THEY WANT TO PUT RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSES.

AND MY ISSUE IS I HAVE TRUST ISSUES WITH CHAPARRAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO COME TO THEM NOW THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS ALREADY BUILT AND ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT WAS ADDRESSED TO THEM WHEN IT WAS FARMLAND.

BUT I'M AT FAULT FOR NOT GOING TO THEM WHEN MY BACKYARD IS FLOODED BECAUSE THE GRADING IS DIFFERENT.

MY WIFE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE SHE'S OUT BACK PUMPING THE WATER OUT OF MY BACKYARD.

THEY DON'T CARE. THEY DON'T CARE.

THEY STAND IN FRONT OF YOU.

THEY DANGLE SOME MONEY IN FRONT OF YOU AND TELL YOU TO APPROVE 167 HOMES.

WE'LL KICK THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.

WE ALREADY HEARD THAT THE MALABAR IS NOT GOING TO GET WIDENED FOR FIVE YEARS.

MAYBE, BUT 12 MONTHS.

WE'RE GOING TO KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR 12 MONTHS.

AND THEN WHAT? FOR THE FOR THE REST OF TILGHMAN LAKES TO BE POPULATED.

THOSE 600 SOME ODD HOMES THAT ARE IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE WANT TO WAIT FOR THOSE TO GET POPULATED.

WE'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR ALL THE COMMUNITIES OUT ON SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO GET POPULATED OVER THE NEXT.

THERE'S NO GAS STATIONS.

THERE'S NO I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, OUR PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN THERE IS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.

PALM BAY TO LOOK LIKE.

IT IS BEAUTIFUL. WHAT THEY BUILT IS BEAUTIFUL WITHOUT CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.

IT'S STILL BEAUTIFUL.

MY BACKYARD IS NOT.

MISS BRENDA'S BACKYARD IS NOT PALM BAY FIRE CHIEF.

HIS BACKYARD IS NOT.

BREVARD COUNTY'S FIRE CHIEF'S BACKYARD IS FLOODED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THIS PROPERTY COMPANY TOLD YOU WOULD BE JUST GREAT AND FINE AND PERFECT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE ALL YOUR PROBLEMS EXCEPT FOR THE PROBLEMS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.

LET THAT SIT WITH YOU GUYS.

BECAUSE I STOPPED FROM PUMPING MY BACKYARD FULL OF WATER.

I STOPPED TO COME HERE.

SIR, DIRECT YOUR CONVERSATION TO ME.

GET A LITTLE EMOTIONAL.

THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT DAY.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. BATTEN.

I UNDERSTAND THE LEGALITY SIDE OF THIS.

WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, WHERE IT WAS APPROVED, WHERE THE INITIAL PHASE.

ONCE YOU START CHANGING THAT ZONING, YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELVES DOWN THAT ROAD OF WHERE, OKAY, WE MADE THIS AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING NOW.

WELL, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER VOTE.

THERE WILL BE ANOTHER VOTE. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER VOTE.

BUT ONCE YOU SET THAT INITIAL FOOT IN THE DOOR, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO CLOSE IT.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE.

SO THEN THE ABILITY TO BACKTRACK ON IT AND DISAPPROVE.

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IT IS VERY HARD BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO GO FOR THE LEGAL SIDE TO FIND GROUNDS ON WHERE YOU CAN DENY A LEGAL GROUNDS TO DENY.

THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

IT WAS EASY IN THE BEGINNING TO DENY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LEGAL GROUNDS TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MODIFY YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR CODE ON BY WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A LAWSUIT, BECAUSE HOW MANY LAWSUITS ARE WE CURRENTLY FACING WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY? BECAUSE PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR MINDS AND WANTED SOMETHING DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW.

COULD YOU TELL ME HOW MANY LAWSUITS WE'RE LOOKING AT? THERE'S A LOT THAT'S ALL FROM HERE.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS THIS IS ONE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT NEXT TO THEM AND ON MALABAR ROAD. BUT REMEMBER, WE HAVE I THINK THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE LIST WAS 15 MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS ONE.

GUESS WHAT? ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ON MALABAR ROAD AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER.

AND ONLY BECAUSE YOU SAID, WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE ITEM AND SAYING, THIS IS GOOD.

YEAH, LET'S GET THIS. LET'S LET THIS DEVELOPMENT COME IN.

LET'S LET THIS DEVELOPMENT COME IN, THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN YOU HAD AN ENTIRE CITY OF SINGLE LOTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT ON, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT ON, AND THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDERS WOULD HAVE MADE MONEY, BUT YOU WENT THE OTHER WAY AND YOU WENT FOR THESE BIG DEVELOPMENTS TO PUT THEIR STUFF IN, AND NOW WE'RE SUFFERING.

SO REMEMBER, FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED ON THAT ARE IN FULL SWING, THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO PULL UP ON MALABAR ROAD. AND WHEN THEY DID THEIR STUDY, THEY ATTACKED THE 500FT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT? LUCKILY, THEY'VE STARTED INCLUDING MORE OF IT WITHIN THE CITY FOR TOTAL CITY, BUT WHEN THESE WERE APPROVED, IT WAS ONLY WITHIN 500FT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS.

REMEMBER THAT BEFORE YOU KEEP APPROVING MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC ON MALABAR ROAD, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS ARE JUST GETTING STARTED, JUST GETTING STARTED.

BUT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THEM.

IT'S ON YOU.

MAYOR. COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR.

MADAM ROZANKA, WOULD YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. KIM.

ON BEHALF OF CHAPARRAL PROPERTIES.

THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR FOR A 167 HOMES.

THIS HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF MANY MEETINGS BEFORE YOU.

THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED IN 2017.

YOU JUST APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT.

AND AGAIN, ACCORDING TO YOUR CODE, I UNDERSTAND THIS TO BE A VESTED PROJECT.

HOWEVER, WE ARE ONLY GOING FORWARD WITH 167 UNITS.

LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THOSE ONES FURTHER SO WE CAN ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS.

I'VE ASKED THE ENGINEER TO LOOK AT PERHAPS OTHER WAYS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE MINOR TRAFFIC, NOT MINOR TRAFFIC, MAJOR TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH MINOR IMPROVEMENTS.

SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH THAT AS WELL FOR THE FUTURE PHASES BEFORE YOU.

I DID NOT MEAN TO SAY WE WERE DANGLING THIS MONEY IN FRONT OF YOU.

IT WAS ONE OF IT WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, $1 MILLION WILL BE COMING AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, HOPEFULLY, BECAUSE IT DOES IDENTIFY SEVERAL AREAS OF MALABAR ROAD TO BE EXPANDED BY THIS MILLION DOLLARS PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE, WHICH THE LAW PROVIDES FOR.

SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE MEETING THE STATE CODE.

WE'RE MEETING YOUR CODE, WE'RE MEETING YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT.

AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE 67.

FINAL PLAT.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEERS BASED UPON WHAT'S BEEN SAID, I KNOW MR. FELIX WANTED TO ASK MR. WISE SOMETHING AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED LAST TIME.

SO THIS IS PART TWO OF THE SAME PROJECT? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL START.

DO YOU WANT ME TO START WITH YOU OR BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSED? OKAY. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

DEPUTY MAYOR. MR. WISE, IF I MAY MY QUESTION WAS JUST ALL ALONG, I THINK IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN SAID IN THE, IN THE RECORD AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE FIRST HOUSE WILL DROP.

RIGHT. SO AT LEAST WE'RE LOOKING AT LEAST A YEAR.

SO WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET, COST OF MATERIALS AND, AND DEMAND VERSUS YOU KNOW, INVENTORY.

SO IS THAT INACCURATE, I GUESS.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE DEVELOPER.

YOU JUST. YOU JUST THAT'S ABOVE.

ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE, BUT THAT'S FAIR.

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SO. SO IS THAT STILL, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WOULD YOU SAY, BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A WHILE? YEAH. IF WE WERE APPROVED TODAY, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

THAT DOES TAKE MULTIPLE MONTHS.

SO BEFORE WE COULD BREAK GROUND, WE WOULD THEN HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PERIOD OF PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 9 TO 12 MONTHS.

PALM BAY CITY CODE DOES ALLOW FOR PRAIRIE HOMES.

SO THEY COULD DO MODEL HOMES EARLY, BUT THEY COULD OBTAIN A COE FOR THEM.

WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO PAY THE HIGHER FEES.

THAT YOU WILL BE CONSIDERING LATER THIS YEAR.

AND WE KNOW THAT'S A MULTIPLE MONTH PROCESS AS WELL.

WE WOULD NOT BE OBTAINING ANY BUILDING PERMITS WITHOUT PAYING THE HIGHER FEES.

AND THEN PASS THE PRAIRIE HOMES.

EVERY NEW HOME WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE HIGHER FEES AS WELL.

SO YES, THAT IS AN ACCURATE TIME FRAME.

THANK YOU. THAT SAID MAYOR.

THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY COMMENTS? ONLY THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT.

I STILL STAND BY WHAT I'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY, IN THE PAST YEARS ABOUT A MORATORIUM FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

THIS ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN IN THE PIPELINE.

IT'S ALL DOWN TO THE LAST LEG, BUT WE CAN SLOW DOWN ON FUTURE PROJECTS COMING FOR US SO WE CAN CATCH UP WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO I KNOW IT SEEMS A LITTLE CONTRADICTORY FOR ME TO APPROVING THIS, BUT IT'S ALREADY WITHIN.

I'M TRYING TO STOP FROM APPLICATIONS EVEN BEING SUBMITTED, WHICH IS WHY I'VE BROUGHT IT UP A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST.

SO THAT'S ALL. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN WEINBERG.

DID YOU WANT TO? YES.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, I AGREE WITH WHAT? WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON JUST SAID.

YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK WE REALLY ARE, ARE IN A BIND AS FAR AS THE LEGALITIES OF IT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING. SO I, YOU KNOW, I VOTED TO APPROVE THE THE PRELIMINARY.

THIS IS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN.

YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE REST OF THE PHASING AND AND THE TRAFFIC AND SO ON.

SO I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO TO DEFINITELY LOOK INTO INTO THE LEGALITIES OF, OF OF THE REST OF THIS YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OF THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION OF THE REST OF THESE 521 HOMES.

SO YOU KNOW, I WILL SUPPORT APPROVING THE 167 HOMES, BUT YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. SIR.

DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU SECONDED.

I THINK THE TWO GENTLEMEN ALREADY SAID IT ALL.

I WOULD ECHO EVERYTHING THEY SAID.

AND CERTAINLY MOVING FORWARD, WE NEED TO SOMEWHAT PUMP THE BREAK IN, IF YOU WILL.

IN DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

SAY NAY. NAY.

PASSES 3 TO 1.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT, STEPHANIE, TO STATE THEIR CASE.

COME ON UP, STEPHANIE.

MY NAME IS STEPHANIE TENNYSON.

I'M AT 1275 SCOTTISH STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I AM ASKING TO HAVE A VARIANCE OF A REAR PORTION OF MY YARD FOR A 17 FOOT.

I DO BELIEVE ROUGHLY 16.9FT BY 11 FOOT CONCRETE SLAB TO HOLD A SHED IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU MA'AM, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN REALLY PATIENT WITH THIS, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? MR. MAYOR? YEAH.

OKAY. I I'VE GOT I JUST CLARIFICATION.

I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG I DIDN'T I DIDN'T SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

HE WAS JUST JUST TAKING UP TOO MUCH ROOM HERE.

BUT. BUT ANYWAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GOT A PERMIT FOR THE FOR THIS LAB.

AND AFTER THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED AND THE SLAB WAS POURED, THEY FOUND OUT THAT.

GUESS WHAT? THIS ENCROACHES ON THE ON THE SETBACKS.

CORRECT. AND I KNOW IN PNC THEY WERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WELL JUST BUILD A SMALLER SHED.

WELL THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SIZE OF THE SHED.

THE PROBLEM IS THE SIZE OF THE SLAB.

SO IT'S A SLAB THAT ENCROACHES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS APPROVED.

IT WAS THE PERMIT WAS APPROVED UNTIL THEY FOUND OUT THAT THIS EXCEEDS THE, THE YOU KNOW, THE SETBACK.

I KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK MR. MCCLELLAN IS HERE, BUT HE'S OWNS ONE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

AND AT THE PNC, HE HAD NO OBJECTION TO THIS.

AND AND YOU KNOW, MY PHILOSOPHY, BASICALLY, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NO HARM, NO FOUL.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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NO SPEAKER CARDS.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2431, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR A REFERENDUM ELECTION TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER THE CITY CHARTER SHOULD BE AMENDED. PROVIDING FOR THE PLACEMENT OF ONE REFERENDUM ITEM ON THE BALLOT, PROVIDING THE TEXT OF THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT DIRECTED THE CITY CLERK TO PROVIDE THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WITH A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE PUBLISHING THE REFERENDUM ITEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT. HEREWITH.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO STATE YOUR CASE, MA'AM.

YES, MAYOR. THIS IS JUST AN AMENDMENT.

WE ARE ASKING ESSENTIALLY, THAT I HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO HIRE MY ASSISTANT OR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEYS AS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK, CURRENTLY, BOTH OF THEM.

THEY ARE ABLE TO HIRE THEIR ASSISTANTS WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL.

I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT AM NOT.

AND IT REALLY STEMS FROM A TIME WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS NOT ACTUALLY EMPLOYED DIRECTLY BY THE CITY.

IT WAS CONTRACTED OUT.

SO IT MADE SENSE AT THAT TIME THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE OUTSIDE CONTRACTING WITH.

BUT NOW THAT COUNCIL DIRECTLY EMPLOYS THE CITY ATTORNEY, I'M ASKING TO BE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY MANAGE MY OWN OFFICE AND HIRE MY OWN ATTORNEYS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, YOU MADE THE MOTION? YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I JUST I CAN'T ELABORATE ON ON WHAT MISS SMITH SAID.

I THINK THIS IS IT JUST MAKES SENSE.

AND IT ALLOWS HER TO RUN HER OWN OFFICE, HIRE HER OWN PEOPLE.

AND I THINK SHE'S A LOT MORE EXPERIENCED IN DETERMINING THE QUALIFICATIONS OF HER ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS THAN WE ARE.

SO IT JUST MAKES A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF SENSE.

THANK YOU SIR.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YOU'RE GOOD.

WE'RE NOW BACK ON CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

YES. LET ME PULL IT UP REAL QUICK.

I'VE. I'VE SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH THE PROCUREMENT MR. BARBER, BUT I'M JUST MY.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE REASON WHY THE CHANGE ORDER IS BECAUSE IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE INCONSISTENCIES.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED PRIOR, OR.

I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR PUBLIC WORKS OR.

YES. YEAH, I HEAR YOU.

IT'S BECAUSE THIS.

BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING BACK INTO THE ROAD BOND FUND, AND WE'RE TAKING OUT WHEN WE'RE ALREADY IN A DEFICIT.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK TO SEE HOW WE COULD MINIMIZE COSTS.

COPY THAT. MADAM SHERMAN, CAN WE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO? YES, SIR.

I'LL START AND THEN I'LL HAVE VALENTINA COME UP.

IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SO THE COUNTRY CLUB ONE THROUGH TEN PROJECT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FROM THE START.

A LOT OF OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE AS PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS ONE WAS DELAYED SO SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE FOUND A LOT OF CONFLICTS AT THE BEGINNING.

IF YOU RECALL WITH THE WATER LINE, SEWER LINES, STORMWATER PIPES.

AND SO WE'VE HAD TO REGROUP ON THINGS MULTIPLE TIMES.

IN THIS CASE, I KNOW THAT THE GEOTECHNICAL WERE DONE.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE WE LEARNED PORT MALABAR ROAD.

WHEN WE DID THE GEOTECHNICAL, WE DID NOT DO THE GEOTECH ON ALL FOUR LANES.

AND SO WE FOUND THAT ONE PARTICULAR LANE WAS A DIFFERENT DEPTH THAN THE OTHER LANES.

SO LEARNING FROM THAT, WE'VE EXPANDED HOW WE DO OUR GEOTECHNICAL.

BUT STILL THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE COULD NOT HAVE FORESEEN BASED ON THE AGE OF THE ROADS OUT THERE.

SO THE ADDITIONAL ASPHALT, THERE'S NO WAY TO TEST EVERY SECTION OF THE ROADS AT THIS POINT.

SO THOSE WERE JUST CONDITIONS BASED ON WHAT STAFF IS TELLING ME THAT THEY COULD NOT HAVE FORESEEN, EVEN WITH THE GEO TECHS THAT WE DID.

OKAY. AND SO THAT DID CAUSE THIS CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE THERE'S ADDITIONAL ASPHALT TO BE REMOVED, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL EXPECTED SCOPE.

AND THAT IN TURN ALSO AFFECTED THE THE CURB.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I'M GOOD.

MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECOND, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

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ZERO. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

I. YES.

FOUR. PASSES FOUR.

THAT'S ME AGAIN, MAYOR.

I JUST WE'RE STILL GOING INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE, AND I'M JUST, I GUESS.

MISS SHERMAN, CAN YOU DISCLOSE HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT THIS FISCAL YEAR IN AN UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE? YES, I SURE CAN.

LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.

SO WE BASICALLY FROM THE NUMBER THAT I'M USING IS ROUGHLY $30 MILLION THAT WE STARTED OUT THIS FISCAL YEAR WITH THIS FISCAL YEAR AND UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE BEING A PORTION OF THAT, ROUGHLY HALF OR SO OF THAT WAS THE AMOUNT WE KEEP FOR OUR MINIMUM REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPENDING IF WE NEEDED IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 14 OR SO MILLION WAS WHAT WAS AVAILABLE THAT HAD NOT BEEN NOT BEEN SPENT.

WE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS MOMENT IS WE HAVE ABOUT $8.3 MILLION IN AN UNDESIGNATED UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE TO SPEND.

AND THAT THAT IS A NUMBER THAT ASSUMES THAT THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT WOULD BE APPROVED.

IF THOSE ARE NOT APPROVED, YOU CAN ADD ABOUT 5 MILLION OR SO BACK INTO THAT NUMBER FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING WHAT WE SPENT AT THE END OF LAST FISCAL YEAR, OR I SHOULD SAY, BUDGETED FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR.

THE SIX POINT ALMOST $6.5 MILLION IN CAPITAL NEEDS THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

THAT NUMBER INCLUDED IN THE OTHER ITEMS WE'VE APPROVED FROM OCTOBER TILL TODAY IS ABOUT $15 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES. OF THAT, ABOUT 7 MILLION OF THAT WAS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND ABOUT THREE WAS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THE NUMBERS GO DOWN FROM THERE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I JUST I HAVE STRONG CONCERNS.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET SEASON.

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SET THE MILLAGE RATE.

SO I JUST I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SPENDING PRETTY EXCESSIVELY ON THE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHY I JUST WANTED TO BRING BEFORE COUNCIL.

IT'S NOTHING ON FIRE SPECIFICALLY.

IT'S JUST IN GENERAL.

THAT'S WHY I'LL ASK FOR THE INFORMATION I ASK FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

SO THIS IS LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THE WAY I SEE IT FOR THIS FIRE THIS EMERGENCY VEHICLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT UP TO DATE RIGHT NOW IT'S 7.3 FOR FIRE AND 3 MILLION FOR POLICE.

2.2 MILLION FOR PARKS AND REC.

PARKS AND FACILITIES.

I JUST I'M HESITANT.

MAYOR. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT US TO TREAD CAREFULLY GOING FORWARD.

WE'RE STILL. WE HAVEN'T HAD A HURRICANE JUST YET, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING.

WE'RE STILL NOT EVEN TO THE, YOU KNOW, FIRST HEARING OF THE BUDGET.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE ON THAT.

SO. OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S YOUR POINT.

YES, SIR. HOW IS THIS A TIME SENSITIVE ISSUE, THIS OPPORTUNITY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE CHIEF OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT? YOU CAN CERTAINLY BRING UP THE CHIEF.

OKAY. SURE. YEAH.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU.

IS IT A TIME SENSITIVE ISSUE? YES. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SETTLED, OR IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT A TRUCK COMES OFFLINE THAT WAS PRODUCED FOR ANOTHER AGENCY THAT FITS OUR EYE.

IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 90% WHAT WE DO OF OUR SET UP OF THE TRUCK, HOW IT'S LAID OUT SO WE CAN USE IT.

WHAT HAPPENED IS OTHER DEPARTMENTS TRIED TO GRAB IT.

BREVARD COUNTY WANTED THE SAME TRUCK.

THEY MISSED OUT.

WE GOT IT. ANOTHER ONE CAME OFF THE LINE, THE SISTER TRUCK TO THAT, WHICH ENDED UP GETTING CANCELED BY THE SAME ORGANIZATION.

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND BREVARD COUNTY SCOOPED THAT UP BECAUSE THESE ARE RARE FINDS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO HOW OUR TRUCKS ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNED, SO THAT WE CAN PROPERLY EQUIP THEM SO THAT EVERY TRUCK IS STANDARDIZED.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY THIS WAS A UNIQUE FIND.

AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE WANTED TO JUMP ON REAL QUICK.

YEAH. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, JUST ONE QUESTION, CHIEF.

WHAT IS THE TYPICAL WAITING TIME TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS? JUST FOR ENGINES.

IT'S FOUR YEARS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT.

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WE'RE LOOKING AT 38 TO 40 MONTHS.

36 TO 30 8 TO 48 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE MANUFACTURER.

HOW FAR WE GO. IS IT A CHASSIS CAB? IS IT A CUSTOM CAB? THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT THE TRUCKS THAT WE DESIGN, THE TRUCKS THAT ARE MOST DESIGNED IN THIS AREA, THOSE ARE ABOUT 48 MONTHS JUST FOR THE ENGINE.

SO IF WE BOUGHT ONE TODAY, EXCUSE ME, THAT MET THE STANDARD.

WE'D SEE IT IN FOUR YEARS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. POTENTIALLY.

DO YOU THINK FIRE STATION EIGHT MIGHT BE A.

I'M SORRY. DO YOU THINK FIRE STATION EIGHT MIGHT BE READY AROUND THE SAME TIME? SO IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT, WE'LL HAVE A TEMPORARY STATION UP WITHIN THE NEXT 6 TO 8 MONTHS AT THE MOST.

THAT TRUCK IS EXPECTED TO COME OFF THE LINE JUST AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES WITH IT.

SO WHEN IT'S DELIVERED, IT WILL BE FULLY EQUIPPED, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL BE WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO OF MESHING THE TWO, BOTH THE FACILITY AND THE TRUCK, AND READY TO PUT IT IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE OR THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE CITY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LAST THING I WOULD I KNOW WE GOT A WE HAD A GRANT BEFORE YEARS AGO TO GET A FIRE TRUCK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE STILL OUT THERE.

SO I DO WANT US TO REALLY LOOK INTO ALL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FEDERAL, STATE, WHEREVER.

SO I FORWARDED THE EMAIL, SO YOU RESPONDED.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT LOOKING INTO THAT.

THAT ONE PART WAS APPEARED TO BE SOMETHING JOINTLY WITH PD, AND WE'RE WORKING ON SEEING HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK THAT OUT IF WE CAN WORK IT OUT.

YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT WE DID APPRECIATE THAT I DID NOT SEE THAT ONE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. IF I MAY MAYOR THIS THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS AS THANK YOU.

HE JUST WENT RIGHT INTO IT.

CARRY ON. SIR. THIS THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT DOESN'T COME AROUND VERY OFTEN.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME ABOUT OUR OUR LACK OF OF RESPONSE TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR FIRE AND POLICE AS WELL.

IF WE CAN BUY THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT NOW, OUR OUR OUR UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE ACTUALLY IS PRETTY HEALTHY RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING YOU KNOW, A MILLION, $362,000.

BUT LIKE I SAID, OUR UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE IS HEALTHY.

THIS DOES NOT COME OUT OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, ACTUALLY.

IT'S IT'S BEING APPROVED UNDER THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO, YOU KNOW THAT THE THE MILLAGE RATE THAT WE SET FOR NEXT YEAR HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

SO I'M ABSOLUTELY ALL IN FAVOR OF BUYING THIS.

WE CAN EQUIP ONE OF OUR, OUR NEW FIRE STATIONS OR ONE OF OUR TEMPORARY FIRE STATIONS WITH THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

AND IT'S GOING TO JUST DO NOTHING BUT BUT IMPROVE OUR RESPONSE TIME.

THANK YOU. SIR.

THIS IS. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED HIM TO COME UP AND SHARE THE TIME, SENSITIVITY AND AND THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS OPPORTUNITY.

NO, I'M IN AGREEMENT.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I SAY AGAIN, I HEAR, OKAY, NO PASSES.

FOUR ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, MR. MARTIN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. $64,000.

THAT'S WITH THE 10% DISCOUNT.

I'M. YOU KNOW, I'M.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID.

I'VE WATCHED HOW THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT OWNS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, HOW HE'S BEEN RIDICULED, HE'S BEEN TALKED ILL OF.

AND HE'S SOMETIMES EVEN BLAMED FOR OUR FINANCIAL FAILURES WHEN HE'S JUST A BUSINESSMAN.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD ASK FOR $75,000 JUST TO PUT IT IN YOUR FACE.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I THINK THIS IS WHEN THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS APPRAISED AT 40,000 AND HE'S ASKING FOR 64, 65,000, THAT'S HE'S MAKING A STATEMENT TO YOU.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THIS IS TO WIDEN A ROAD.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S TO WIDEN THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT.

YET WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT WIDENING THIS ROAD, WE WERE TOLD, WELL, WE AREN'T GOING TO EVER BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE'S NO WAY TO WIDEN IT.

SO DOES THAT MEAN EVERY OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY GOING DOWN MILTON ROAD IS NOW GOING TO HAVE TO BE PURCHASED IN ORDER TO, TO DO THE WIDENING, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AT THIS INTERSECTION CORNERS? BECAUSE I COULDN'T SEE ANY DRAWINGS TO HELP ME SAY, OKAY, LET'S SPEND MORE THAN WHAT THE VALUE IS TO WARRANT IT.

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SO AND I COULDN'T SEE THAT BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE US, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S FIVE YEARS FOR MALABAR ROAD.

HOW LONG BEFORE MILTON ROAD? WHEN WE COULDN'T EVEN GET IT PAVED.

REPAVED FOR THREE YEARS WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

FOR MILTON ROAD, IT TOOK US THREE YEARS TO REDO MILTON, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE IT WAS ON OUR REDEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, ON OUR REPAVING PLAN.

THAT'S WHEN IT CAME DUE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF, WHILE WE WERE PAYING THAT MUCH MONEY TO REDO MILTON ROAD, THAT WE WOULD HAVE PLANNED AHEAD AND PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT.

RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE JUST PAVED THE ROAD, INSTEAD OF SAYING, NOW LET'S PAVE THE ROAD, NOW LET'S GO PAY MORE MONEY FOR LAND SO WE CAN CORRECT THE DEFICIENCY.

BAD PLANNING.

SAME THING AS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, IS WE MAKE THE ACTION AND THEN WE DECIDE TO DO THE NEW PLAN, RIGHT? BUT I SURE AS HECK DON'T FAULT THIS MAN FOR ASKING FOR MORE MONEY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE INDIVIDUALS DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE CONCERNS? YES, SIR. YEAH.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT A REALLY GOOD PLAN FOR THE ABILITY TO WIDEN THE ROAD.

AND WE SAID THAT EARLIER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PAVING.

SO PAVING NEEDED TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE IT WAS WELL OVERDUE.

CERTAINLY THIS PROPERTY WILL ASSIST IN MORE CAPACITY AT THAT INTERSECTION FOR SURE.

WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN WITH A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO KIND OF SHRINK THE LANE SIZES DOWN AND SQUEEZE IN MORE CAPACITY THROUGH THE WHOLE LENGTH OF IT, BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED AT A PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL.

SO WE ARE WE ARE BUYING THIS BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE POTENTIAL.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, SURE.

I WISH THAT THERE HAD BEEN PRE-PLANNING AND ALL THOSE HOMES, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE ALONG MINTON WERE NOT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATELY OWNED.

THEY WERE IN THE IN CITY CITY HANDS.

BUT WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF THAT SITUATION.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, SIR.

THANK YOU. HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MAN? YES. MR. SHERMAN. WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND THE INFORMATION? HAS THE OWNER PAID HIS THE OWNER UP TO DATE WITH ALL THE STORM WATER FEES? I ASKED THAT EARLIER.

LET ME FIND THE EMAIL RESPONSE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.

YES, SIR. BUT, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF AT CLOSING.

THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION.

PART OF THE LIEN SEARCH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON UP UNTIL EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR.

SO IT REALLY, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO BUY IT ALL, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, RIGHT? RIGHT AT CLOSING. OKAY.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT'S THE PROCEDURE.

ALL RIGHT, SO I NEED A MOTION.

I STILL WANTED TO KNOW.

I JUST CHECKED THE EMAIL.

I'M SORRY. THE EMAIL I RECEIVED WAS THE THE BASICALLY THE BILLS THAT WE SEND OUT.

THEY DID NOT YET SEND ME WHAT IS OWED.

OF COURSE THAT IS STORM WATER FUND, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

OKAY. SORRY. THAT'S FINE.

I'LL GET IT LATER. OKAY.

SO I NEED A MOTION.

MOTION? TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF 461 WARD ROAD FOR $64,659.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER ONE IS, ARE WE IS IS MR. MUALEM REQUESTING A PREMIUM TO BUY THIS LOT? ABSOLUTELY. IF WE ARE GOING TO WIDEN MALABAR ROAD IN THE FUTURE.

AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL SURVEYORS, BY THE WAY, WHO SAYS IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE PURCHASE OF THIS LOT.

SECONDLY, I I'M A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER BY PROFESSION.

I LOOKED AT THE APPRAISAL IN THIS FILE.

IT CAME UP WITH A CONCLUSION THAT $40,000 IS THE IS HE MARKET VALUE.

IT'S NOT A LOT 19 WHICH ALSO HAS REAR FRONTAGE ON ON MALABAR ROAD.

SO SOLD OCTOBER OF 23 FOR $55,000.

LOT 20 SOLD 11 OF 23 FOR ALSO FOR $55,000.

SO ARE WE PAYING A SLIGHT PREMIUM IN MARKET VALUE? ABSOLUTELY. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN IN REAL ESTATE, I KNOW IT'S A CLICHE, BUT ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT AFFECTS THE MARKET VALUE IS LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP MR. MULLEN FROM SELLING THIS TO A TO A BUILDER OR AN INDIVIDUAL AND BUILDING A HOUSE ON IT.

AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE STUCK.

THEN WE CAN NEVER WIDEN MALABAR ROAD.

SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

THANK YOU. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

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AYE. ANY OPPOSED PASSES FOR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I PULL ACTUALLY BOTH ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT.

SO IF YOU GUYS WOULD INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM THAT THAT THIS I BELIEVE WE.

YES, SIR. WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM WHICH IS, WHICH IS A GREAT PROGRAM IN SUPPORT OF OUR SMALL MEDIUM BUSINESSES OVERALL TO BEAUTIFY, TO HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, ATTRACT AND AND TRY TO BUILD AND IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THEIR BUSINESS, IN TURN, TO ATTRACT MORE, MORE CUSTOMERS.

BUT LOOKING AT THESE TWO APPLICATIONS, SEVEN AND EIGHT, SAME COMPANY LOOKING AT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION ITSELF, THE NUMBERS LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.

BUT LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDINGS ARE DIFFERENT.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT. THAT.

THAT TO ME, NOT, YOU KNOW, POINTING FINGERS OR ACCUSING ANYBODY.

BUT IS THE APPLICANT, BY THE WAY, IN THE IN THE ROOM? NO, NO. OKAY.

OKAY. SO, SO SO TO ME IS SO NUMBER ONE QUESTION.

MISS MISS MISS SHERMAN, WHERE IS OUR FUNDING RIGHT NOW? AS FAR AS THE OVERALL I KNOW WE, WE ALLOCATED CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TOWARDS THE PROGRAM.

WELL, WHERE ARE WE CURRENTLY? STAFF, SEND ME AN UPDATE THIS AFTERNOON.

THE TOTAL WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR WAS AROUND.

WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED AFTER BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS AROUND $129,000.

WE'VE ENCUMBERED ABOUT 58,000.

SO WE HAVE AN UNENCUMBERED BALANCE OF AROUND 71,000.

SO RELATIVELY, WE STILL WE'RE STILL DOING PRETTY GOOD.

BUT BUT YEAH, WE I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL.

UNDERSTANDING THIS AS GREAT AS THIS PROGRAM IS.

I MEAN, NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY.

IT JUST TO ME, WE JUST GOT TO BE CAUTIOUS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE CALLED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TO DO TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF ALL TAX DOLLARS, RIGHT? LOOKING AT THIS, START LOOKING A LITTLE MORE INTO IT.

SAME COMPANY BUILDING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

TWO SEPARATE APPLICATION.

15. 1015.

16. YOU KNOW, THE THE APPLICATIONS IDENTICAL.

SOME OF THE LINE ITEM HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE.

HAVING AN IDEA IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION.

I START QUESTIONING SOME OF THESE LINE ITEM.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SPRAY YOU KNOW, PRESSURE OF CLEAN THE BUILDING.

YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A SMALL BUILDING TO PRESSURE CLEAN, TO PRIME AND PAINT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $15,000.

I STARTED REALLY DIGGING IN A LITTLE DEEPER.

SO IT'S A COPY AND PASTE.

COPY PASTE, YOU KNOW, SAME INVOICE.

SO IT DOESN'T SIT WELL.

I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE.

LIKE I SAID AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY OR ANY WRONGDOING.

IT LOOKS TO BE A LEGIT INVOICE, BUT I JUST WANT US TO TO LOOK AT IT, SEE WHAT I SAW AND AND SEE SEE WHERE WE MOVE FROM HERE.

I'M TRACKING YOU. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A DISCREPANCY WITH TWO PROPERTIES.

RIGHT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE HISTORY OF ONE.

ONE IS WAS BUILT YEARS LONG BEFORE THE TWO STORY BUILDING.

RIGHT. THAT OLDER ONE I COULD SEE THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT FACADE BEING IMPROVED.

SO THAT THERE'S THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THE SECOND ONE NEEDS ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT.

BUT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT.

I WOULD PERHAPS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING HIM BE MORE DETAILED, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD SEND IT BACK AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE OUR CONCERNS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WHAT OTHER DETAILS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT BOTH PROPERTIES, YOU COULD SEE ONE IS A LOT OLDER AND NEEDS THAT FACADE IMPROVEMENT.

I TOTALLY 100%.

AND THAT THAT WAS MY NEXT PHASE.

WELL, ONCE I SEE THE IDENTICAL LINE ITEM EXACTLY THE SAME AND LOOKING AT THE TWO PROPERTIES, SO DIFFERENT SIZES, DIFFERENT LOOK, DIFFERENT SHAPE AND THAT'S ALL I START QUESTIONING.

YOU KNOW, THE VALIDITY OF THE REQUEST.

I WAS LEANING TOWARDS MAYBE MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE ONE, BUT I'D SAY TO PROBABLY SEND THEM BACK.

I'D LIKE TO START TO LOOK A LITTLE MORE INTO THE, THE CONTRACTOR AND REALLY GIVE US MAYBE, MAYBE

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2 OR 3, MAYBE 2 OR 3 CONTRACTOR POTENTIAL SO WE CAN COMPARE AND CONTRAST, HAVING THE SAME CONTRACTOR DO THE SAME WORK TO BOTH BUILDINGS.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE COULD BE A REVISED OF POLICY.

POLICY REVISION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT CAN YOU WEIGH IN? MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, I MIGHT HAVE JOAN ANSWER BECAUSE SHE'S LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK RIGHT NOW WE ONLY GET ONE.

THE, THE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE PROGRAM IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER ONLY GIVES US ONE QUOTE.

SO WE DON'T ASK THEM TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE QUOTES.

THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE A PROCESS CHANGE.

THE STANDARD IS THREE RIGHT.

THE GENERALLY AS AS A YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU HAVE A PROJECT, YOU USUALLY THE RULE OF THUMB IS USUALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING THREE THREE BIDS AND THEN YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION FROM THERE.

SO I THINK THAT MAY BE A REVISION WHERE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE FOR REVISION AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED.

WOULD YOU LIKE US TO BRING BACK A REVISION TO THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES? WELL, HERE'S HERE'S THE THING.

BEFORE WE THROW THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER OUT.

RIGHT. LET'S LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS.

I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS WAS IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET SO MANY DIFFERENT QUOTES, RIGHT.

WE HEARD FROM OUR CONSTITUENCY, FROM THESE BUSINESS OWNERS.

I CAN'T GET I CAN'T NAVIGATE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THREE, THREE DIFFERENT QUOTES.

MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE THAT REVISION, MAYBE ADD TWO QUOTES.

I'M HOPING IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT BASED ON WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY SPECIALTIES HERE.

JUST PAINTING A BUILDING PRESSURE CLEAN.

THESE ARE NOT COMPLICATED, YOU KNOW, HIGH SKILLED WORK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVE THE LOOK OF A BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT.

THESE ARE NOT SPECIFIC.

NOTHING HIGH SKILLED.

I WAS THINKING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.

FACADE IMPROVEMENTS? IT DEPENDS.

ON WHAT? WHAT? IT DEPENDS ON THE.

YEAH. THE. IT'S.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM.

YEAH. THAT'S IT'S ACTUALLY THE LIKE ROONEYS DID FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.

RIGHT. AND THAT TOOK A WHILE.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

BUT IF IT'S A FRESH COAT OF PAINT AND THE THE PARKING LOT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS FOR THE MOST PART.

BUT BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT.

I'D SAY TO NOT APPROVE IT TONIGHT AND SEND IT BACK AND HAVE STUFF TO STAFF TO, TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.

YES. IS THAT IS THAT GOOD WITH WHAT YOU GUYS CAN DO? YEAH, CERTAINLY. WE CAN ASK THEM IF THEY GOT ADDITIONAL QUOTES AS WELL.

THE PROGRAM DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE THREE QUOTES, JUST REQUIRES THEM TO PROVIDE A QUOTE.

AND THEN WHEN WE DO THE REIMBURSEMENT, WE REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE PROOF OF PAYMENT.

SO WE SEE THAT THEY HAVE MADE A PAYMENT ON EACH ONE OF THOSE LINE ITEMS, AND WE ONLY REIMBURSE 50% OF THE ACTUALS.

SO IF IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY COST 7500 FOR STUCCO, IT WAS 5500, THEN WE WOULD ONLY EVEN PAY 50% OF THAT, BUT NOT MORE THAN 10,000 FOR THE TOTAL. UNDERSTOOD. SO WE CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND DETAIL FROM THE APPLICANT.

HE WAS UNFORTUNATELY NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, SO THAT'LL GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND SPEAK ON HIS APPLICATION AS WELL.

YES. I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT.

MAYOR. YES, SIR.

YEAH. I WAS LOOKING AT APPROVING ONE AND NOT THE OTHER, BUT I'M FINE WITH TAKING IT BACK.

BUT JUST KNOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ASIDE FROM THAT HEARING THE BUDGET AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH ALLOCATED STILL.

AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME OF THAT MONEY ASIDE, WHETHER IT'S FOR STAFF, BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFF TRAVELING EVERYWHERE ELSE FOR TRAINING, HAVING STAFF TRAVEL TO TRY TO GET COMPANIES FROM SILICON VALLEY OVER TO PALM BAY OR OTHER INITIATIVES OR IN OTHER AREAS SO WE CAN HAVE MORE ROGUE VALLEYS HERE BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY DEPEND ON THE EDC SO MUCH.

AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A HEALTHY IMBALANCE THAT WE HAVE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL CAN MAKE IT WORK, BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I'M I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO THAT.

I'M ALSO OPEN THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP REGARDING THAT.

SO WE COULD WE COULD DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I, I'M REALLY GUNG HO IN THIS ARENA AS YOU YOU'RE WELL AWARE AND I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IF COUNCIL'S LOOKING AT IT.

YES. ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO ENHANCE.

LET'S GET THESE TECHNICAL JOBS HERE.

SO I'M I'M OPEN TO THAT.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEND THIS BACK, I'M GOOD.

BUT I KNOW THAT ONE WOULD NEEDED MORE THAN THE OTHER, SO I WOULD.

I WOULD AT LEAST SEND THE MESSAGE.

LISTEN, WE SEE THE VALUE TO THIS HELP US UNDERSTAND THE THE VALUE TO THE SECOND ONE.

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THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD GO.

BUT EITHER WAY, I'M OPEN.

I, I DO AGREE WITH YOU.

AND I WAS FEELING THE SAME WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN ALL FAIRNESS, I THINK JUST TO NOT TO INTERFERE WITH THE PROCESS, YOU JUST KEEP IT CLEAN.

AND THAT WAY, WE SEND A MESSAGE TO FUTURE APPLICANTS FOR THAT PROGRAM.

JUST, JUST WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING ATTENTION.

SO WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THIS, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEND IT BACK OR DO YOU WANT TO TABLE IT? YEAH. MOTION TO TABLE.

OKAY. WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE APPLICANTS TIME FRAME, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

WOULD YOU LIKE US? IS THE REQUIREMENT TO CHANGE THE POLICY WILL BE THAT THEY NEED TO GET A MINIMUM OF THREE QUOTES.

OKAY. AND THAT WILL BE FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.

IF THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THAT.

SO MAYBE WE WANT TO GIVE THEM LIKE A MONTH OR SOMETHING AND PICK THIS THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER PERHAPS, IS THIS REQUESTING JUST THIS APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THREE QUOTES OR AMENDING THE POLICY.

IT'S ALL GOING FORWARD.

YEAH. GOING FORWARD OKAY. SO I'LL BRING THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM LATER IF WE TABLE IT UNTIL NINE FIVE I'M SORRY.

THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

YEAH. THAT SHOULD GIVE THEM ABOUT A MONTH TO OBTAIN TWO ADDITIONAL QUOTES OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL NEED A MOTION TO TABLE.

MR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO GET OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO COMMENT ON THIS.

RIGHT. RIGHT NOW THIS IS APPLIED UNDER THE EXISTING COMMUNITY, THE EXISTING PLAN, THE EXISTING PROGRAM.

IF WE GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION.

IT'S GOING TO APPLY TO ANY APPLICATION.

GOING FORWARD, YOU CAN'T APPLY IT IN RETROSPECT.

AND YOU KNOW THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.

I'M IF I CAN WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT THIS PROGRAM IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS APPROVED BY RESOLUTION.

IS IT JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY? IF THIS THIS WAS FUNDED, IF I RECALL, JUST THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, IT DIDN'T ESTABLISH IT WASN'T ESTABLISHED BY A RESOLUTION LIKE OUR BUILDING FEE WAIVER PROGRAMS. WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ESTABLISHED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE, COUNCIL CAN MAKE CHANGES.

STAFF CAN MAKE CHANGES EASILY ON THAT ITEM BY JUST ANNOUNCING IT AND THEN COMING FORTH WITH THE POLICY.

SO, SO LONG AS THIS WAS AN ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

OKAY. OKAY, SO I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE.

ARE WE GOING TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY? I'LL NEED A MOTION TO TABLE.

TILL WHAT DATE DID YOU SAY? SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER 19TH.

THIS WAS PULLED ALREADY? OKAY. MOTION TO TABLE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO THE SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SAME THING. MOTION TO TABLE.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING.

SECOND. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR.

FELIX. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I. WE ARE NOW.

GOING TO GO TO UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

BUT BEFORE WE DO, WE'RE TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

OH. THAT'S OKAY.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT LAST TIME? I FEEL LIKE ATTENTION TO DETAIL.

THIS MEETING IS NOW BACK IN SESSION.

WE ARE BACK ON CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 13.

I I'M WILLING TO GUESS.

MISS SENIOR CHIEF BATON PULLED ITEM NUMBER 13.

ALL RIGHT. MASTER CHIEF, AS YOU WERE.

YEAH, I KNOW, MASTER CHIEF, I KNOW YOU, BUT I PROMOTED HIM.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT AND SELLING.

SELLING THE USED EQUIPMENT.

WE GET MONEY BACK IN OR CAN GO TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR ANY OF THE ABOVE.

BUT WHAT? WHAT? THE REASON WHY I'M PULLING THIS ONE IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE PLAYGROUND AT FRED POPPY PARK THAT I THOUGHT WAS THAT WAS IN SOME REASONABLE SHAPE, MAYBE NOT BRAND NEW.

WELL, THESE AREN'T BRAND NEW VEHICLES THAT WE'RE SELLING EITHER, THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN UTILIZED AND GONE TO ANOTHER CAUSE AND JUST SAID OF SAYING, WELL, IT'S USED AND SOMEBODY

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MIGHT GET HURT.

THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT THE REASON WHY WE SAID WE COULDN'T PUT IT.

WE COULDN'T LET IT GO TO A CHURCH OR A PLAYGROUND, TO ANOTHER PLAYGROUND OR TO A DAYCARE OR ANYTHING WHERE SOMEBODY COULD HAVE UTILIZED PARTS OF THAT PLAYGROUND. AND THAT WAS A HALF $1 MILLION PURCHASE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, A PLAYGROUND FOR HALF A MILLION.

I WAS TRYING TO OFFSET THAT COST, BUT THE RATIONALE WAS SOMEBODY MIGHT GET HURT AND WE COULD GET SUED.

WELL, IF THAT'S THE THAT WAS THE RATIONALE.

IF SOMEBODY BUYS ONE OF THESE USED VEHICLES AND THEY GO OUT AND GET AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT BECAUSE IT WAS USED.

ARE WE GOING TO GET SUED? I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WE CAN FIND A DOLLAR AND SAVE A DOLLAR.

FIND A DOLLAR AND SAVE A DOLLAR.

THAT'S ALL I AM NOW.

A DIFFERENT TOPIC ON THIS ONE WAS I HAD SUBMITTED A CARD.

I KNOW IT WAS AFTER THE FACT.

ON NUMBER SEVEN, ON CONSENT.

NUMBER SEVEN.

I PUT IT IN LATE, BUT IT WAS THERE BUT THEN DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS.

IT WAS ALSO KIND OF INSULTING BECAUSE I AGREE IT WAS CONSENT ITEM, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.

AND THAT WAS THE FACT THAT WE SET GUIDELINES.

WHEN YOU'RE GIVING AWAY THE PROPERTY ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM.

WHEN YOU PRESENTED IT.

I QUESTIONED IT AT THAT TIME BECAUSE I SAID, WELL, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO LET PEOPLE DO THIS? AND YOU SAID, LONGER ECONOMIC STREETS.

YOU HAD TO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA ON WHERE IT COULD GO TO.

AND I SAID, OKAY, I AGREE, BUT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SAY THAT IF YOU HAD A PROGRAM IT SHOULD GO TO EVERYBODY, ANY BUSINESS.

BUT IT WASN'T.

IT WAS JUST ALONG YOUR YOUR ECONOMIC CORRIDORS AND YOU SET THAT CRITERIA.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU AND YOU SEE A PERSON, YOU SAY, WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S QUITE RIGHT OR I'M GOING TO START CHALLENGING IT.

YOU SET THE GUIDELINE AND WHEN YOU START CHALLENGING AFTER THE FACT, IT'S LIKE LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN THE BUSINESSES.

RIGHT. SO I'M NOT I WAS NEVER IN FAVOR OF THE ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE WE WERE LACKING ON FUNDS. BUT NOT TO SAY THAT, WELL, MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO SCAM ON US.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE YOUR CONTRACT FOR.

THEY SUBMITTED THEIR CONTRACT AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I SAID, I'M SAYING THAT YOU WANTED THIS PROGRAM.

YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PROGRAM.

AND NOW YOU'RE CHALLENGING THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TRYING TO UTILIZE THE PROGRAM THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY MADE.

I NEED A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR.

FELIX. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, MAYOR.

IT'S A IT'S A PROCESS WE HAVE IN PLACE.

WE'VE BEEN USING FOR A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

YEAH. PLAYGROUND IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT CATEGORY.

THE THE VEHICLE.

CORRECT. MR..

WEINBERG. NO FURTHER COMMENT.

WE ARE NOW ON UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE.

[UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS:]

YES, MAYOR. MR. PINCHER. TIM LANCASTER, NO.

TWO. LET'S TAKE ONE SECOND HERE.

NO. I'M SORRY. YEAH.

IT'S TIM. IT'S TIM LEE.

NO, IT'S A MINISTERIAL APPOINTMENT TO.

THERE YOU GO. POLICE AND FIRE PENSION PLAN.

BOARD OF TRUSTEES. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MINISTERIAL APPOINTED APPOINT AN APPOINTMENT FOR AS ONE MEMBER TO THE POLICE AND FIREFIGHTER PENSION PLAN BOARD.

TRUSTEE. MR. TIM LANCASTER SECOND.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

MISS SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I MENTIONED LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING OUR OUR OPTIONS TO MEET THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST QUADRANTS OF THE CITY.

SO THIS ITEM ESSENTIALLY HAS TWO FINANCIAL COMPONENTS TO IT.

THE FIRST COMPONENT IS A REQUEST TO CONSIDER USING UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE TO PURCHASE TWO TEMPORARY FIRE STATIONS. THE TOTAL ESTIMATE ON THAT INCLUDING SOME THINGS WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE COST.

SO WE'VE WE'VE BUILT IN SOME CONTINGENCY FOR IT.

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REGARDING SOME OF THE SITE WORK AT A COUPLE AT THESE LOCATIONS, BUT THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE ABOUT 3.7 MILLION.

THIS WOULD BE AN UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE REQUEST.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. MA'AM.

WE'RE ON. WE'RE ON ITEM TWO AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

WE'RE ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS, ITEM NUMBER TWO.

I WENT TO NEW BUSINESS, DIDN'T I? I WAS EXCITED. YEAH. I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY. YOU'LL HEAR THAT AGAIN IN A MOMENT.

APOLOGIES. THIS IS THE ITEM.

APOLOGIES THAT THESE FINE FOLKS OVER HERE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON ALL NIGHT.

SO, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

AND YOU WANTED THEM TO WAIT LONGER, APPARENTLY.

MY GOODNESS. WELL, I'M GLAD WE'VE COURSE CORRECTED.

THANK YOU. SO THIS IS AN ITEM WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING YOU.

I KNOW YOU WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT ON THEIR VISION FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN START WITH THE MACEDONIA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION COMING UP, SINCE I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS A BIT.

AND THANKS AGAIN FOR STOPPING ME BEFORE I DID MY WHOLE SPEECH.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO GET CLOSER.

AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

YES. COME ON. COME ON OVER.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JERRY PHILLIPS.

I LIVE AT 1069 NORTHEAST PINEAPPLE AND PALM BAY.

AND AND THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE WANT TO TEAM WITH THE CITY TO BUILD TO ENHANCE THE SOME HOUSING FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES.

AND IN PARTICULAR, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THE NORTHVIEW PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE A TWO UNITS THERE NOW.

TWO TRIPLEXES THAT WE WOULD WANT IT TO ACQUIRE AND RENOVATE.

WE HAVE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN THE SENSE WE DON'T DO THOSE THOSE FIRST TWO FIRST, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, WE WANT TO BUILD TWO DUPLEXES IN FRONT OF THOSE WE UTILIZING SOME OF YOUR, YOUR FUNDING AND ALSO SOME OF MACEDONIA FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

IT'S A MAJOR RENOVATION.

IT IS PRETTY OLD, AND WE WANT TO MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.

AND I THINK WE CAN DO JUST THAT.

THE I, WE GAVE YOU A PROPOSAL ON WHAT IT MIGHT COST, BUT AS WE DO SOME MORE STUDY OF THE PROPERTIES, THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE IN ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENHANCE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, TO EVEN THE ROOF, MAYBE MODIFY EVEN THE STYLE OF THE ROOF, MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER, AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS TO MAKE THE PROPERTY BETTER AT THE SAME TIME.

THIS IS OUR FIRST PROPERTY THAT WE WANT TO BE BUILDING AND I TAKE THAT BACK.

YOU ALSO WILL WORK WITH THE ONE ON WASHINGTON STREET.

BUT WE WANT TO REALLY PUT A SIGNAL TO IN THAT AREA WITH YOUR HELP.

AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES.

AND ESPECIALLY ONE ON NORTHVIEW, BECAUSE IT HAS A LOT OF SPACE.

THERE IS SIX LOTS THERE TOTAL.

AND SO WE CAN PROBABLY DO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, LIKE I SAID, TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

SO WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TO APPROACH THIS.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU.

NO, I THINK I TOLD YOU BEFORE, BUT PALM BAY HAVE BEEN GOOD TO US ALL ALONG.

YOU HAVE GIVEN US FUNDING TO BUILD EVEN OUTSIDE OF YOUR CITY.

YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE US FUNDING TO BUILD IN MELBOURNE.

ON THREE OF THE HOUSES THAT YOU PROVIDED FUNDING FOR, ONE YOU BUILT COMPLETELY FOR US AND RIGHT ON THE JACKSON STREET.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT SO MUCH.

AND THE QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, I ENTERTAIN THEM.

YEAH. YES, SIR.

THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. YOU YOU HAD LISTED THE MOST CONCERNS.

AND THEN I'LL START WITH YOU AND THEN COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

MR. PHILIP, LET LET ME GO ON THE RECORD.

I KNOW PASTOR HARRIS HERE AND THE WHOLE TEAM HERE.

WHEN YOU GO ON THE RECORD, WHEN I RAISED SOME ISSUES CONCERNS WITH WITH THIS PARTICULAR.

WHAT YOU PRESENTED YOUR PROPOSAL.

I'VE RAISED CONCERN FOR WITH THE TRIPLEX.

I HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A DIALOG WITH YOU PERSONALLY AND FROM THE DAIS AS WELL.

UNDERSTAND? MY HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

I HAVE A JOB TO DO.

I HAVE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF OF THE OF THE TAX DOLLARS.

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SO WHEN I QUESTION THESE AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DIDN'T.

YOUR INTENT. YOUR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

YOU WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING SOMETIME.

LOOKING AT. I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE PROJECT ITSELF.

BUT BUT I'M CERTAINLY GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

BECAUSE WHAT YOU GUYS DO, WE CAN'T DO, SO WE NEED TO WIN.

I APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITH HOUSING, WHICH IS SUCH A TREMENDOUS CHALLENGE.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO NAVIGATE HOW TO PROVIDE OR MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO WHEN WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATION SUCH AS YOURS THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND TAKE THAT TASK, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD KNOWING THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERNS ARE COMING FROM, IT'S NOT CERTAINLY ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS DO, BUT JUST HOW AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN.

HOW CAN WE IMPROVE? HOW CAN WE SEE BETTER PROJECTS? SO THAT LEADS ME TO ASK YOU, WHERE ARE CURRENTLY, I KNOW NEARLY HALF $1 MILLION GIVING TOWARDS A TRIPLEX.

HOW IS THAT GOING AND WHERE YOU GUYS CURRENTLY AT? WITH THAT, WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR PERMIT AND IT WAS REJECTED. LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON OUR PART, PRIMARILY.

WE WENT IN ON THIS PROJECT THINKING IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

AND SO WE HAD THE SURVEY PERFORMED.

IT WAS PERFORMED AS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

WE FOUND OUT NOW, THOUGH, THAT WE REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE'S THREE UNITS THAT THE CITY PALM BAY HAVE A RULING THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU WERE THREE PLUS UNITS, IT IS TREATED SOMEWHAT LIKE A COMMERCIAL.

AND SO WE HAD TO ADDRESS THAT WITH PLANNING THE HOUSING.

AND THEY SAID THAT ACTUALLY THE MOST THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN OFF.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN ON OUR SURVEY IDENTIFIED IN PARTICULAR THE DRAINAGE.

I BELIEVE I'M NOT I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR.

BUT THE DRAINAGE WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS.

IN THE FIRST APPLICATION.

WE MET. WE MET THE DAY OF THE FIGHT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL BEEN DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE THE CONTRACTOR AND AND MYSELF.

I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT NOW AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN TO WE GOT TO GO BACK AGAIN TO AND REDO THE THE SURVEY. OKAY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO, WE WANTED TO PUT A DRIVEWAY.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S DIRT, A DRIVEWAY BACK TO THE THIRD UNIT.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, THOUGH, IS THAT THE THE IT'S REQUIRED YOU TO HAVE A SIX FOOT BETWEEN YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY. AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THERE.

SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AND SEE IF THEY SAY THEY MAY WAIVE IT.

BUT THEY'RE NOT SURE YET.

SO THERE'S SOME BITS ON THE SLOWDOWN FOR WE READY TO MOVE ON IT.

BUT WE HOPE TO GET IT DONE AT LEAST THIS WEEK AND BACK TO THEM AGAIN AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN GO FORWARD WITH IT.

YEAH, I KNOW THE BUILDING.

MR. PHILLIPS WAS IT EVER A CONSIDERATION TO FLATTEN IT AND START? START FROM FROM SCRATCH OR START FROM SCRATCH? I KNOW THERE'S ADDITIONAL COSTS, YOU KNOW, TO DEMOLITION AND ALL, BUT WITH WITH TO ME, I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN THE BUILDING.

I'VE SEEN THE PROPERTY.

I'M JUST SAYING, SEEING WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW, THE EXPERIENCE YOU'RE HAVING NOW WITH THE PROJECT, WOULD IT BE NOT MAYBE MAKE MORE, MORE SENSE STARTING WITH MAYBE JUST START FROM SCRATCH? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WOULD STILL BEEN IT'S ONLY 50FT WIDE.

OKAY. BUT IF WE REBUILD NEW HOUSES QUITE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, THE COST IS A LOT MORE.

AND WE WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO PROVIDE THOSE SAME THREE UNITS.

THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT PRICE.

IF WE BOUGHT IT, BOUGHT A NEW ONE IT COST US ABOUT $400,000, MAYBE $500,000 TOTAL TO DO THAT FOR THREE, A THREE UNIT, 700,000 PLUS, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT AND A NEW ONE.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE, BUT BUT NO, I'M.

WE APPROVE IT. THAT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.

I JUST KIND OF WANTED AN UPDATE ON THAT NOW WITH THIS NEW PROJECT.

SO IT'S SIX SLOTS TOTAL, TWO EXISTING DUPLEXES.

SO THE FUNDING, THE 370 THAT'S SOLELY GOING TO THE RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING DUPLEX.

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IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY. AND AND SOME DRIVEWAYS TO DRIVEWAYS FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.

SO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, JUST LIKE I SAID AGAIN, YOU KNOW I KIND OF QUESTION MY, IF I HAD MY WISH, I'D LIKE TO SEE BETTER PRODUCT.

WHERE WHERE ALL MONEY.

THE RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT.

ACTUALLY MORE FOR FOR WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT.

SO MAYBE WE CAN THINK SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME ALTERNATIVE HOUSING THINGS THAT CAN GET MORE BECAUSE THAT CAN GIVE US MORE FOR, FOR A BUCK, ESSENTIALLY. IT JUST BASICALLY I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I START WITH YOU GUYS, BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY FUTURE APPLICANT, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE MORE ESPECIALLY SUCH A NEED. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS VERY.

I'M NOT. I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK AND GIVING US A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING.

SO THIS CERTAINLY.

YOU KNOW, THE IT'S MOVING FORWARD.

I MEAN, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS CAME BACK.

AND SO FOR US TO HAVE THAT DIALOG.

BUT KEEP IN MIND FOR ANY FUTURE PROJECT.

AND I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO STAY IN PALM BAY.

YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MELBOURNE.

I MEAN, NOTHING AGAINST MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE ANY TAX DOLLARS WE PUT OUT.

STAY AND SERVE OUR RESIDENTS IN PALM BAY.

ME TOO. I LIVE IN PALM BAY ALSO.

THERE WE GO. SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE FUTURE PROJECTS STAY IN PALM BAY.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH.

THANK YOU. AND JUST SO THAT TO HIGHLIGHT, HE HE WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED AND BRING IN A BRAND NEW NEW NEW PROJECT IS WHERE DEPUTY MAYOR WAS GOING AT AT THE LAST DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

GOOD, MAYOR. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY. NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

ANY SPEAKERS? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

IT'S GOOD YOU BROUGHT YOUR YOU PASTA WITH YOU.

THAT'S WHY I HAD TO BEHAVE.

NO. NO, SIR.

NO SPEAKER CARDS? NO.

OKAY. I NEED A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

[NEW BUSINESS:]

WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD.

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU SIR.

LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN.

OKAY. SO THIS ITEM IS AN ITEM WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS NOW ABOUT EXPANDING OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES IN THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST SECTIONS OF THE CITY.

THERE ARE TWO FINANCIAL COMPONENTS TO THIS AGENDA.

MEMO. THE FIRST ONE IS, I STARTED TO MENTION EARLIER, IS THE CONCEPT OF PURCHASING TEMPORARY STATIONS.

THESE ARE HURRICANE RATED RELOCATABLE TYPE STATIONS.

THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY LIKE A FOLD OUT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.

SO A LOT OF THE THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES OF THE STATION ARE ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT WHAT EXPANDS AND CONTRACTS IN THE THE INSTALLATION.

THE TOTAL COST.

THIS WOULD BE AN UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE REQUEST, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT EIGHT PLUS MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER I MENTIONED THAT WOULD BE LEFT IF YOU FUNDED THIS. WE WOULD PUT ONE ON A LOCATION THAT WE ALREADY THE CITY ALREADY OWNS.

THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT OWNS IT.

SO THERE IS A COST OF GENERAL FUND BUYING IT FROM THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE LAND PURCHASE.

OUT. AND THIS IS IN THE NORTHWEST AREA ACROSS FROM HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL IN THAT VICINITY.

THERE WILL BE SOME SITE WORK AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT IS A AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL AND UTILITY CONNECTIONS.

AND THERE WILL ALSO BE THE ADDITION OF A CANOPIES TO COVER THE VEHICLES FOR THAT TEMPORARY STATION.

WE AS WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WE ONE OF THE THE FIRE ENGINE ITEMS YOU JUST APPROVED IS THE FIRE ENGINE THAT WOULD GO AT THAT LOCATION.

AND YOU ALSO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SQUAD VEHICLES.

SO ONE OF THE SQUADS WOULD BE LOCATED THERE AS WELL.

SO THIS TEMPORARY STATION, IF APPROVED THE FUNDING IS APPROVED TONIGHT.

WE WOULD BRING FORTH OTHER ITEMS TO YOU TO SECURE THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO OFFICIALLY DO THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS TO COVER THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND FROM UTILITIES BY GENERAL FUND FOR FIRE PURPOSES AND, AND OTHER RELATED THINGS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT.

THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT.

THERE IS A LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED ALONG MIRALOMA BOULEVARD FOR A IT'S ALREADY A IT'S LIKE A PAVED LOCATION THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT THE STATION DOWN ON.

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SO THE SITE WORK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT NOT EXPECTED TO BE QUITE AS INTENSIVE AS THE OTHER SITE.

SO THAT ONE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE SAME MODEL OF HAVING A CANOPY AS WELL.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE SQUAD APPROVED BY YOU ALL AS WELL.

AND THE PLAN FOR THE FIRE STATION.

EXCUSE ME. FIRE ENGINE NINE IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PREVIOUSLY FUNDED BY YOU ALL.

SO BOTH LOCATIONS COULD HAVE TWO VEHICLES AND THE STAFF TO SERVICE THEM IN A REASONABLY QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME.

WHAT THAT'S DETERMINED TO BE.

WE'LL WE'LL SHIFT A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THE SITE WORK, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO WORK ON THAT THIS NOW THIS YEAR TO START GETTING THOSE TEMPORARY STATIONS ON ORDER AND GET THEM BROUGHT IN. SO THAT'S ONE PART.

THE OTHER PART OF IT IS TO ADDRESS THE, THE, THE FUTURE PERMANENT STATION NEEDS, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE BEST STRATEGY IS.

SO THIS PROPOSAL IS THE CONCEPT OF CONSIDERING DEBT SERVICE TO FUND THREE THINGS, AND THOSE THREE THINGS WOULD BE THE PERMANENT STATION FOR THE SOUTHEAST, BUT THIS WOULD BE BOTH A FIRE STATION AND A POLICE SUBSTATION.

IT WOULD BE A PERMANENT FIRE STATION AND A POLICE SUBSTATION IN THE NORTHWEST.

SO YOU HAVE THOSE TWO.

AND ADDITIONALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN ON OUR LIST FOR QUITE SOME TIME IS THE NEED TO REPLACE FIRE STATION TWO RIGHT OUT FRONT OF, OF CITY HALL.

SO THIS WOULD BE THREE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE CONCEIVABLY FUNDED BY ISSUING DEBT.

SO THIS WOULD BE A BOND ISSUANCE BASED ON PRELIMINARY NUMBERS WE'VE RUN WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS.

THE INTEREST RATES THAT WE WOULD GET AT THE THE MOST REASONABLE ONE, I WOULD SAY, IS A 20 YEAR BOND.

AND THAT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE PAYMENT OF $2.1 MILLION EACH YEAR.

THE REASON THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US IS WE AS WE LOOK AT OUR CURRENT DEBT STRUCTURE, THERE ARE THREE DEBT SERVICE ITEMS THAT ARE OLDER AND THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE PAID OFF. ONE OF THEM, THE LAST PAYMENT A LITTLE OVER $1.3 MILLION.

THAT LAST PAYMENT IS IN 2025.

TWO OTHERS ARE PAYING OFF THEIR FINAL PAYMENTS IN 2026.

AND COMBINE THOSE THREE DEBT SERVICE ITEMS AS THEY COME OFF.

THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN USING ABOUT $2.1 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO PAY ON THEM.

SO THE THE IDEA WAS THAT WE COULD GET ABOUT THE SAME PAYMENT JUST CARRYING ON THAT PAYMENT, BUT FOR SOMETHING NEW AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ALSO, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS FOR THESE THREE ITEMS IS RIGHT NOW IT'S A I WOULD CALL IT A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.

WE WANTED TO SEE WHERE COUNCIL WAS AT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE DON'T YET KNOW.

AND IN FACT, SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE WE HAVE NOT YET ACQUIRED THE THE PERMANENT LOCATION PROPERTY FOR THE SOUTHEAST STATION.

WE DO HAVE THE PLAN FOR THE PERMANENT LAND.

A PERMANENT STATION FOR THE NORTHWEST FIRE STATION.

TWO TO TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL TO BUY A DIFFERENT PARCEL ALONG MALABAR AS A AS A POSSIBILITY TO RELOCATE THE STATION, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM LEFT OUT FRONT HERE.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THESE COSTS ARE BASED ON OUR CURRENT PROJECTIONS WITH THE IDEA THAT IF WE IF WE ONCE WE LOCK DOWN OUR NUMBER, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS THE WAY WE WOULD REQUEST YOU LOOK AT THIS DEBT ISSUANCE IS TO SAY THAT IT'S FOR THESE THREE, BUT THAT IF THERE'S EXTRA FUNDING LEFT OVER AT THE END, INTEREST EARNINGS FUNDING THAT WE DIDN'T EXPEND OUT OF THIS BOND, THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER FUTURE FIRE STATION NEEDS.

SO THAT IN A HIGH LEVEL IS THE TWO PARTS OF THIS PROPOSAL.

AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

ANY QUESTIONS SIR? THANK YOU. MAYOR. NO, NO, NO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH WITH MISS SHERMAN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING THE, THESE TEMPORARY STATIONS PUT UP AND AND, YOU KNOW, IN AREAS ESPECIALLY THAT ARE UNDERSERVED RIGHT NOW IN THE ACROSS FROM HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE NORTHWEST AND THE SOUTHEAST AREA.

THIS WILL CERTAINLY EVEN IN THE TEMPORARY STATIONS, WILL CERTAINLY IMPROVE OUR RESPONSE TIMES FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.

I JUST THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE FOR MISS SHERMAN IS WHAT KIND OF A TIME FRAME ARE WE LOOKING AT TO GET THESE TEMPORARY STATIONS IN OPERATION? I FEEL LIKE I CAN HAVE THE CHIEF COME UP NOW, AND HE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HE'S LEARNED ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. THERE IS A PROCUREMENT PROCESS YOU CAN COME UP TO YOU.

THERE'S A PROCUREMENT PROCESS WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

WE HAVE TO BRING YOU AN AGENDA ITEM.

IF THIS IS APPROVED TO ACTUALLY ACQUIRE THE THE STRUCTURES.

WELCOME BACK. CHIEF.

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HOWDY. HOWDY. DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, THIS IS A GOOD START HERE.

WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD SLOW THIS DOWN IS A HURRICANE.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST ON THIS MOST RECENT ONE WE HAD UP IN THE PANHANDLE AND THE BIG BEND AREA, THEY DEPLOYED ALL THEIR RESOURCES UP THERE TO DO THESE SAME TEMPORARY STRUCTURES FOR THE STATE AND FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS.

SO THEY'RE VERY GOOD THERE.

THEY THEY'RE HELD UP WITH HURRICANE STANDARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO IF EVERYTHING GOES CORRECTLY, ONCE WE GIVE THE OKAY TO PROCURE THE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 60, MAYBE 90 DAYS BEFORE IT'S ON OUR SITE.

AND WHEN IT GETS ON OUR SITE, THEY GET IN HERE IN THE MORNING AND WE SHOULD BE SLEEPING IN IT THAT NIGHT.

FANTASTIC. YEAH.

AWESOME. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR QUESTION? YES, YES. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU CHIEF. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU. MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR STAFF AND CHIEF.

CHIEF, HOW MUCH FOR, LIKE, A BRAND NEW STATION, WOULD YOU SAY NOWADAYS? RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT, DEPENDING ON.

THERE'S TWO. 8 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW FOR STATION SEVEN.

OKAY. THERE'S TWO STATIONS THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE EQUIPMENT TO PUT IN THERE.

SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT, LADDER TRUCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT MIGHT GET US UP TO, YOU KNOW, NINE, 10 OR 12.

YEAH, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE AND ALL THE LAND ACQUISITION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, I'D SAY BETWEEN 8 AND 10 IS A VERY GOOD NUMBER BASED ON THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE USING AT SEVEN.

AND IF WE HAVE TO EXPAND A COUPLE BAYS UP TO ABOUT TEN.

OKAY. BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE TWO STATIONS.

EIGHT. I'M SORRY.

NINE ON THE SOUTH END AND REPLACING TWO HERE.

OKAY. THAT WAY WE COULD STRATEGICALLY LOCATE OUR ASSETS.

OKAY. AND THEN QUESTION.

THIS MIGHT BE MORE SO FOR STAFF.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT HYBRID STATIONS.

POLICE SLASH FIRE.

YEAH. RIGHT NOW THIS CONCEPT INCLUDES FOR BOTH THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST LOCATIONS.

IT WOULD ADD I THINK IT WAS AROUND 2500 SQUARE FOOT.

MAYBE SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE FOR THE POLICE, LIKE A SUBSTATION COMPONENT.

IT'S PART OF THE SAME BUILDING.

OKAY. SO THAT'S A DESIGN CHANGE FROM OUR FIRE STATION SEVEN DESIGN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE THE PROTOTYPE FOR FUTURE STATIONS.

WE HAVE TO MODIFY IT TO, TO DO THAT FOR THE PERMANENT STATION.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

OKAY. I JUST AS WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS.

YEAH. COME ON NOW. THE POLICE HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT A LOT OF ACTION TO BE NICE WITH IT.

SO I JUST THAT'S ALL THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, MAN.

THAT'S ALL. YES, SIR. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. SIR, DON'T LET ME GET ON THAT SOAPBOX.

DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, CHIEF? YEAH, MY QUESTION WILL BE SHORT.

SO AS FAR AS AND YOU SAID WITHIN 90 DAYS FROM THE TIME.

YES, WE GET IT.

SO WHAT WHAT WHAT KIND OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THE SITE IMPROVEMENT BEFORE WE CAN JUST LET YOU KNOW, BRING IT IN.

STATION NINE IS PRETTY MUCH SET.

IT'S AN OLD SALES OFFICE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE.

SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TAP INTO ALL OF THEIR UTILITIES.

AND WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT AND WE SHOULD BE GOOD WITH IT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOOKING UP TO THE BUILDING, TO THE.

YES, SIR. AND THE COMPANY THAT BRINGS THEM IN.

THEY TAKE CARE OF DOING THAT WITH US.

SO THEY'RE VERY THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH COVER ALMOST EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT TO THE NEXT LOCATION IN THE SAME DAY.

THE OTHER SITE WOULD BE JUST LAND DEVELOPMENT BASED ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THERE.

MY RECOMMENDATION THERE THOUGH FOR WOULD BE FOR THE TEMPORARY WHAT WOULD BE STATION EIGHT IS AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS YET, IS TO PUT IT TEMPORARILY OVER THE PARK, ACROSS THE STREET THERE.

FRED PROPERTY WHERE ALL THAT STUFF'S SET UP ALREADY.

IF WE HAD. IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, WE COULD PUT IT THERE.

WE HAVE GREAT ACCESS, WE HAVE UTILITIES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THERE.

AND THAT WOULD BE THERE UNTIL THE PERMANENT SITE AND PERMANENT STATION IS COMPLETE.

SO IDEALLY, ONCE WE GET THOSE STATIONS BUILT, THAT PORTABLE CAN JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT PLACE, RIGHT? IT CAN DO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU CAN MOVE THEM FURTHER SOUTH TO CONTINUE OUR EXPANSION DOWN SOUTH.

AND WHEN ALL THE STATIONS ARE BUILT, IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY, THEN YOU GET INSIDE THERE AND YOU JUST TELL THEM WHAT CONFIGURATION TO CHANGE IT TO.

IS IT GOING TO BE ALL OFFICES? BOOM. THEY'RE DONE AND IT'S HANDLED.

THEY COME OUT OF COCONUT CREEK.

SO THEY'RE A LOCAL COMPANY IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME UP AND WORK WITH US ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AWESOME. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NUMBER TWO. RIGHT.

YES, SIR. THIS IS MR. BASS, NUMBER TWO.

WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PACKET, I COULDN'T SEE ANY DRAWINGS OR ANY KIND OF PLAN OF WHAT THIS THING WAS LOOKING AT.

YOU KNOW, JUST I'M SAYING, WELL, AND I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE EXPENSE WAS GOING TO BE OR HOW MUCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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IT WAS JUST DEBT LOOKING FOR DEBT FUNDING SOURCE.

AND NOW YOU PRESENTED IT 3.7 MILLION.

IS THAT FOR JUST THE TWO TEMPORARY BUILDINGS? OKAY. AND THEN I COULDN'T SEE WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO GO IN THE PACKET.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO GO BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, PERTINENT INFORMATION TO, TO REVIEW ON.

BUT I KNOW YOU PRESENTED AND TOLD ME WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

THAT'S GREAT. AND FOR THE NORTHWEST SITE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.

IF THAT'S GOING TO BE ITS FINAL SITE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START MAKING THAT PLANS.

AND I'D LIKE THE CHIEF'S IDEA OF PUTTING IT IN THE PARK WHILE THEY'RE PREPPING THAT SITE, SO WE COULD HAVE THE STATION ALREADY SET UP RIGHT THERE WHERE WE NEED IT.

IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EXPENSE TO MOVE IT.

BUT HOOK UP TO THE FACILITIES AND THE PARK, GET GOING AND HAVE IT THERE.

IT'S READY TO GO. AND IF THE OTHER ONE'S READY TO GO, IT'S A BUILDING YOU'RE READY TO MOVE INTO.

GET THEM THERE QUICKER.

I LIKE THAT CONCEPT, BUT GO AHEAD AND START PREPPING THE SITE FOR ITS REGULAR SITES WHEN IT COMES IN.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

SO THE OTHER ONE WAS I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE.

NOW YOU'VE TOLD ME AND THE COST LAYOUT, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE.

AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I COULD EVENTUALLY SEE WHAT THOSE, THAT BUILDING SITE THINGS LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE THAT PRICE AND THAT GOOD AND THAT MULTI MULTI-USE BUILDINGS, I CAN THINK OF A WHOLE LOT OF WAYS WE COULD UTILIZE THAT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

ONCE WE GET THEM.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, I THINK HE'S SPOT ON WITH ALL THOSE, LIKE HOW WE COULD USE SOME MORE.

DEPUTY MAYOR, NEXT SPEAKER JOHN MALACHI.

HOW ARE YOU DOING? COUNCIL.

JOHN MALACHI 250 LAGOON STREET, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TWO FIRE STATIONS.

I'M. IT GOES BACK, I THINK, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO WHEN YOU GUYS WANTED THE FIVE YEAR PLAN SET UP FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I SEE THAT IT'S WORKING.

YOU KNOW, I, THE CITY STAFF WORKING TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, A FIRE STATION DOWN SOUTH AND ALSO OUT WEST.

ANOTHER THING THEY BROUGHT UP WITH THAT MODULAR BUILDING.

IT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE SENSE OF USING, YOU KNOW, ONCE THAT STATION NINE IS PUT IN, YOU CAN MOVE THAT OVER AND TURN IT INTO A TRAINING BUILDING FOR TRAINING.

ANOTHER REASON FOR THAT THAT STRUCTURE.

AND IT'S A GREAT REASON.

LET'S SAY WE HAD A BAD HURRICANE EVENT AND ONE OF THE STATIONS GOT DESTROYED.

OR IF A ANOTHER CITY BUILDING GOT DESTROYED, THAT BUILDING COULD BE THEN MOVED INTO PLACE FAST AND SET UP AND, AND UTILIZED.

SO THERE'S MULTI USES FOR THAT BUILDING.

SO I MEAN IT'S A GREAT PLAN.

I APPRECIATE YOU APPROVING THE NEW ENGINE.

AND LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, IT DOES TAKE.

WELL I'VE LOOKED AND DEALING WITH A LOT OF THE APPARATUS.

IT YOU KNOW THAT 36 MONTH TIME PERIOD, 36 MONTHS TO 48 MONTHS JUST TO GET AN ENGINE IS I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT IN MY CAREER, BUT AND THEN ALSO THE FACT OF GETTING THOSE APPARATUS NOW AND WITH THE THE DOWNING OF OUR APPARATUS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NEW, WE'RE STILL HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PARTS.

SO WE'VE CURRENTLY HAD ONE ENGINE OUT FOR FOUR MONTHS JUST WAITING ON A PART.

I APPRECIATE JUST SEEING.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY FOR 25 YEARS.

THIS IS THE MOST PROGRESS I'VE SEEN IN FIVE YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S A LOT OF WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND AND CITY STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.

NO, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. SO ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED YOUR QUESTIONS.

I'M JUST GOING TO.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO ON AND SAY, THIS IS HOW WE PIVOT.

THIS IS HOW WE WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND MOVE FORWARD.

THE FACT THAT WE GOT DEBT SERVICES COMING OFF, I'LL BE SECONDING THIS MOTION.

JUST TO TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK STAFF HAS COME UP WITH.

I KNOW LARRY, AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS WORKED HARD ON THIS AS WELL.

SO EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH OUR CITY STAFF.

YOU KNOW, YOU ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND AND THE SUBSTATIONS WITH OUR POLICE RIGHT NOW.

TO HELP ALONG WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.

YES. DO WE PIVOT ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY. THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE PIVOTED BECAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, THERE'S A A HUGE NEED.

BUT THIS IS THE WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE AN EFFECTIVE CHANGE TODAY.

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WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.

WE CAN START MAKING THE EFFECTIVE CHANGE TO PROTECT THE LIVES OF OUR CITIZENS TODAY, RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND.

YOU. YOU GOT IT.

DEPUTY MAYOR.

MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR.

SECONDED BY THE MAYOR.

ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR? I THINK YOU SAID IT ALL.

I THINK IT'S A LONG TIME COMING.

SO, AS I THINK I'VE PREVIOUSLY SAID, WE MUST LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE WAY AND LET, LET NOT LET US NOT LET ANY STONE UNTURNED.

SO THIS IS THAT CRITICAL? I'VE THROWN OUT THERE MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK IF IT MEANS DEBT SERVICES.

I SAID IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT IN OUR PERSONAL LIFE WHEN THERE'S A CRITICAL DECISION TO MAKE, WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS TO TO TAKE CARE OF IT. SO I THINK IT'S US BEING RESPONSIBLE AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHAT THEY VOTED US TO DO.

YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO ALWAYS BE EASY.

SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISION.

I THINK TONIGHT IS A GREAT, GREAT MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I CONCUR.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY CONCUR WITH THE NEW ENGINE THAT WE'RE GETTING.

THAT WAS A HUGE BLESSING TO GET A TRUCK LIKE THAT AT THE LAST SECOND.

NOBODY WANTS IT. HEY, WE'LL TAKE IT.

WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE IT.

WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE'RE ABLE TO WORK HARD TO REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIMES.

AND LET ME NOT TALK ABOUT THE RESPONSE TIME.

THREE MINUTES. WE HAD LAW ENFORCEMENT ENGAGE AND SAVE MULTIPLE LIVES.

YES, A LIFE WAS LOST, BUT WITHIN THREE MINUTES, OUR OFFICERS RESPONDED TO AN EVENT JUST A FEW SHORT DAYS AGO AND THEY ENCOUNTERED EVIL HEAD ON.

AND THEY THEY ACTUALLY WERE SUCCESSFUL.

AND MOREOVER, THEY CAME BACK HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES.

AND THAT THAT IS AN EMOTIONAL TIME.

BECAUSE THE THE ADRENALINE GOES I GOT TO COMMEND BOTH OFFICERS THAT DID THAT.

AND I PLAN ON DOING THAT LATER.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

I. I. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

MISS SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO THIS ITEM IS THE REQUEST FOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL REGARDING THE IMPACT FEE PROPOSAL.

SO YOU HAD A PRESENTATION EARLIER IN THE YEAR ON POLICE AND FIRE IMPACT FEES.

YOU RECALL THAT WE HAD CONTRACTED TO ALSO STUDY THE PARKS IMPACT FEES, BUT WE PUT THAT ON HOLD WHILE WE PLAN FOR A PARKS MASTER PLAN TO GET BETTER DATA TO GO INTO THAT.

AND THEN MORE RECENTLY, WE ACTUALLY DID THE UPDATE TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.

SO ALL THOSE NUMBERS HAVE COME FROM THE CONSULTANTS.

THE END RESULT IS THAT IN ALL THREE AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, THERE IS A PROPOSAL FOR THOSE THOSE IMPACT FEES TO INCREASE.

FLORIDA STATUTES, AS YOU RECALL FROM BOTH PRESENTATIONS, DOES GOVERN HOW MUCH YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR IMPACT FEES AND OVER CERTAIN THRESHOLDS.

YOU HAVE TO SPREAD OUT THAT INCREASE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.

AND SO REALLY JUST WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THIS WITH COUNCIL, GET SOME DIRECTION.

YOU KNOW THE RANGE OF OPTIONS IS EVERYTHING FROM CONTINUING TO KEEP THINGS AS THEY ARE TO GOING UP TO THE MAXIMUM THAT THE CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDED BASED ON THEIR THEIR REVIEW OF THOSE RATES.

ALSO, JUST AS A SORT OF A REFRESHER FROM SOME OF THE THINGS THEY COVERED IF YOU DO DECIDE TO MAKE A CHANGE, THIS IS SIMPLY POLICY DIRECTION TONIGHT.

SO THERE WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ESSENTIALLY LIKE A 90 DAY PERIOD THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT BECAUSE THERE'S A MINIMUM 90 DAY NOTICE PERIOD.

THAT'S FOR STATUTES THAT REQUIRES.

SO THE EARLIEST IN, IN THEORY, NOT KNOWING ALL THE DATES RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETIME CLOSER TO DECEMBER.

OR YOU COULD EVEN MAKE IT EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST.

IF YOU CHOSE TO DO SO, HOWEVER, YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IT IF YOU DO DECIDE TO CHANGE.

SO THAT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL JUST WHERE WE'RE AT.

I JUST WANT TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT HOW YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.

OKAY. I'LL START WITH COUNCILWOMAN.

WEINBERG. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. NO QUESTIONS.

MAYOR. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S NECESSARY.

IT'S LONG, LONG PAST NEEDED.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CERTAINLY INCREASE THE THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES THE MAXIMUM OF 50% OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS FOR TRANSPORTATION AND POLICE AND FIRE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE THE IMPACT FEES FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL STAY THE SAME RATHER THAN INCREASE THOSE.

THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE REALLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE.

IN GROWTH IS BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE IMPACT FEES STAY THE SAME.

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I'M NOT SURE WE'RE DISCUSSING THOSE.

WE'RE STRICTLY DISCUSSING POLICE FIRE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. COUNCILOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

TAKE IT TO THE TOP.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR. THANK YOU, I HAVE EXPRESSED MY POSITION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS, I KNOW I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A SENTIMENT TO, TO SLOW GROWTH, THAT THIS IS ONE WAY TO DO IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I SAID IT BEFORE.

MY CONCERN IS THIS FEE IS GOING TO PASS.

IT'S GOING TO CONSIDER THE PASS THROUGH FEE.

SO WE WE TAKE PRIDE THAT OUR COMMUNITY'S VERY AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY AND WE BRAG ABOUT THE LAST THREE YEARS, PALM BAY BEING ONE OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE CITY IN THE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

WE TAKE PRIDE OF THAT.

AND THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE WAY THAT THAT'S JUST GOING TO CHANGE.

AND BECAUSE THAT COST WILL BE PASSING THROUGH TO OUR END USER, WHICH IS PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING HOMES HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO TO INCREASE TAKE IT TO THE TOP.

I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.

CAN'T CAN'T EVEN SUPPORT IT.

TONIGHT. AS AS IT STANDS.

BUT MAYOR, THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT.

COPY THAT. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE TO THAT IS IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, RIGHT? THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE IS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DON'T PUT IT ON THE BACKS OF OUR CITIZENS.

RIGHT? IF WE HAVE NEW CITIZENS COMING IN, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO PASS ON THE COST.

RIGHT. BUT IT'S A WAY OF INCREASING OUR, OUR OUR CREDITS AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD EXTEND THAT.

SO I'M I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

I DON'T LIKE THE MORATORIUM ASPECT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

TO TO IT COULD IT MAY, BUT EITHER WAY, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO PUT THIS ON THE TAXPAYERS, THE INCREASING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT ON THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG.

AND THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

BUT WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR.

WE DO. MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I AGREE THAT THERE'S GUIDELINES THAT SAYS WE CAN ONLY INCREASE OUR IMPACT FEES UNDER A CERTAIN SEGMENTED TIMES, AND THAT SOMETIMES IS VERY IN THIS CASE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DETRIMENTAL BECAUSE THE INCREASE WOULD BE SO SMALL OVER SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT JUST THE INFLATIONARY RATE ALONE WAS GOING TO BE EATING THAT UP BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOLLAR BILL.

THAT'S WHAT'S NEGATIVE ABOUT THAT LONG TERM BUILD.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS I DIDN'T LIKE THE PRIORITIES OF WHERE BECAUSE POLICE AND FIRE ARE THE PRIORITIES ARE SO, SO SMALL BY MY STANDARD, SO SMALL FOR WHAT THEIR NEED IS TO THE CITY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE PAY FOR.

PARKS AND RECREATION, $300 FOR A POLICE OFFICER TO SAVE MY LIFE, OR $1,300 TO GO PLAY IN A PLAYGROUND.

I MEAN, IT'S THE PRIORITY IS WRONG, PEOPLE.

IT'S JUST WRONG.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT ANY BETTER THAN THAT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LET PEOPLE USE MY RESOURCES FOR FREE.

OKAY, SO LET'S JUST ASK THE POLICE TO WORK FOR FREE TOO.

YOU KNOW WHY NOT? WELL, OKAY, I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO DO THAT EITHER.

SET THE PRIORITIES THAT THE SAFETY WAS THE PRIORITY.

PARKS AND RECREATION WAS NOT.

POLICE AND FIRE ARE.

AND I WISH THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD INCREASE IT QUICKER.

I DON'T LIKE SEEING THE INCREASE, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT LOANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING.

BUT JUST THE JUST THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THE POLICE VEHICLES, THE ALL OF THE HARD, TANGIBLE ITEMS WE COULD BE PAYING FOR WITH THE IMPACT FEES.

WE CAN'T PAY FOR THEIR PAY, BUT WE CAN PAY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE UNDER IMPACT FEES, RIGHT? SO THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.

LAST ITEM IS I'D LIKE TO SEE EVEN A PRELIMINARY LONG RANGE PLAN FOR PARKS, BECAUSE I WATCH WHAT WE SPEND ON

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PARKS. I KNOW IT'S UNDER PARKS AND FACILITIES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BROKEN DOWN TO WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOME KIND OF PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR PARKS.

AS IT IS, IT'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF OUR BUDGET.

WHAT IS IT, 7%.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

BECAUSE YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS WHEN? DURING THE BRIEFING. I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE IMPACT FEES FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.

YES. ESPECIALLY WHEN AS MASTER CHIEF BENTON ALLUDES TO $1,800.

BUT THAT WAS SET BACK IN 2018.

WE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

WE CAN'T SWITCH THAT.

BUT WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T INCREASE THAT AT A HIGHER RATE? WHAT WHAT WENT INTO THAT STUDY? WELL, CURRENTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RESTRICTS YOU IS THE STATE LAW.

YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T INCREASE WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.

IF YOU PUT ALL THE DATA IN, THAT'S GOOD DATA THAT SAYS, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS I NEED TO MEET THE GROWTH DEMANDS OF THE CITY.

YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

YOU ACTUALLY ARE RESTRICTED BY STATE STATUTE.

SO IT HAS TO COME DOWN TO A THRESHOLD.

THAT'S PART OF IT.

PART OF THE REASON THOUGH, THE THE CONSULTANT THAT DID OUR OUR STUDY FOR US ON THE POLICE FIRE AND WHO WAS GOING TO DO THE PARK SIDE OF IT, THEY'RE THE SAME COMPANY THAT DID THIS, THIS STUDY BACK IN 2018 WHEN THE CITY HAD HIRED THEM BEFORE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND IN TALKING TO THEM WAS THE, THE, THE DATA THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM BACK THEN, THE PARKS SIDE OF THE DATA WAS VERY ROBUST.

A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE FUTURE NEEDS OF BUYING LAND TO BUILD NEW REGIONAL PARKS.

THEY HAD A LOT OF A LOT OF COSTS BUILT IN THERE.

THE POLICE AND FIRE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO THE CONSULTANT AT THE TIME THAT WAS USED TO CALCULATE THE RATE WAS A LOT LESS COMPREHENSIVE.

AND SO THE RATES REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN A SENSE, IS WE'RE TRYING TO COME BACK FROM RATES THAT WERE PROBABLY TOO LOW BACK THEN, BUT WE CAN ONLY INCREASE THEM SO MUCH PER FLORIDA STATUTES. SO THAT'S PART OF WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES.

AND IT LOOKS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OFF OFF WITH THE AVERAGE PERSON MIGHT THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY.

SO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE'VE PROVIDED NOW.

SO A LOT MORE ROBUST.

OH YES. SO WE CAN MOVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TO CONVERSE ON.

YEAH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IN 2019, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED WORKING ON THINGS IS WE REALLY TRIED TO WE MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS TO BUILD A TRUE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.

SO EVERY YEAR WE'VE BEEN BUILDING BUILDING THAT, ADDING TO IT SO THAT WE HAVE A TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT THE CITY REALLY NEEDS.

AND POLICE AND FIRE ARE NO EXCEPTION.

I MEAN, FOR THREE YEARS NOW, THEY'VE BEEN BRINGING YOU PRESENTATIONS IN THE SUMMER TO SAY, THESE ARE MY NEEDS.

SO THE DATA IS IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

NOW WE KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.

WE KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO GROW STRATEGICALLY.

SO THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT SPEAKER DEPUTY MAYOR, MR..

BUTCH ORRIN BUTCH PUBLIC COMMENTS.

NO, NO, SIR. THIS IS THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, BUT I APOLOGIZE.

YEAH. YOU'RE YOU'RE AS YOU WERE.

SO THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKER COMMENTS OKAY I NEED A MOTION.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG AND SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

YEAH, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED A MOTION, BUT WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.

WELL, YEAH, WE DO.

WE DO NEED A MOTION FOR SOME DIRECTION, BUT I WILL HAVE TO COME.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS BEING ASKED WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? I HAVE TO BRING THIS BACK IN A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

SO I JUST NEED A DIRECTION AS TO, OH, IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE EVERYTHING EXACTLY AS THE CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDED, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH. OKAY. YES.

WE I THINK WE HAVE THREE YAYS FOR THE MAX FOR DONNIE, THREE DONNIE ZINNI.

OH, WHAT IS THE MAX? SO FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, THE CURRENT ADOPTED RATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE, IS $4,353 AND IT WOULD BE IN FOUR PHASES.

IT WOULD INCREASE. SO THE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE $4,897.

TWO. THREE. FOUR.

BY YEAR FOUR, YOU'D BE AT $6,529 FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

FOR JUST FOR EXAMPLE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

1000FT² IS THE MEASURE UNIT PER 1000FT².

CURRENT RATE IS $3,092.

FOR THE YEAR ONE, IT WOULD GO TO $3,407.

BY PHASE FOUR, YEAR FOUR BE $3,722.

SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE CATEGORIES OF EXAMPLES FOR POLICE AND FIRE FOR POLICE.

THE CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY RATE IS $398.15.

YEAR ONE IT WOULD GO UP TO $448.08, AND IT WOULD ONLY HAVE THE INCREMENT RECOMMENDATION ONLY TAKES IT TO $498, SO IT'S NOT AS BIG OF AN

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INCREASE. SO YOU YOU'D REACH THAT YEAR TWO AND THAT WOULD BE THE RATE GOING FORWARD.

AND FOR FIRE IMPACT FEES, JUST ALSO USING SINGLE FAMILY CURRENT FEE IS $620.09.

THIS ONE WOULD BE A FULL FOUR YEAR BUILD OUT FOR THE RATE.

SO IT WOULD GO TO $697.56 IN YEAR ONE.

BY YEAR FOUR, YOU'D BE AT $930.

OKAY. SO DO YOU NEED.

YOU JUST NEED CONSENSUS TO BRING THIS BACK OR WHERE ARE WE AT? I'D APPRECIATE A VOTE.

OKAY, SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES 3 TO 1.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

NEW BUSINESS.

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE EXPANDED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PUBLIC INTERACTION PROCESS.

SO THIS IS AN ITEM REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO DO A LOT OF THE ADDITIONAL TASKS THAT ARE INCLUDING OUR CONSULTANT.

I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION, BUT JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, WE ARE HAVING THREE MULTI-HOUR OPEN HOUSE SESSIONS OF SORTS. TWO WILL BE IN PERSON.

IN PERSON. ONE WILL BE VIRTUAL.

THE IDEA IS THE CONSULTANTS WITH STAFF WILL BE SET UP WITH DISPLAY BOARDS AND LOTS OF INFORMATION.

THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STOP IN IN THESE LOCATIONS VIRTUALLY AND IN PERSON.

DURING ANY OF THAT TIME.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL ENGAGEMENTS GOING ON NOW.

AND FOLLOW UP TO THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH YOU ALL.

YOU KNOW, ONE ON ONE CONVERSATIONS STAFF WORKED EXTREMELY HARD INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS CREATE A WHOLE, BASICALLY EDUCATION INFORMATION MARKETING TYPE PLAN INVOLVING WEBSITES AND EMAILS THAT WENT OUT TO INVITE EVERYONE WE HAD IN OUR DATABASE TO ATTEND THESE SESSIONS, TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE.

ADDITIONALLY, SOMETHING THAT IS A TOOL THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL THAT THE GOAL IS, I THINK, TO RELEASE IT TOMORROW SOMETIME IS WE NOW HAVE A IT'S LIKE A TEN PAGE MORE ROBUST SUMMARY OF ALL THE CHANGES.

BUT IT'S I CONSIDER IT SORT OF LIKE A NAVIGATIONAL GUIDE TO THE CHANGES.

SO IT'S A TEN PAGE VERSION OF WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE ATTACHMENTS AND SEE THOUSANDS OF PAGES, AND IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED TO ACCESS THE INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CHANGED AND WHAT HAS CHANGED.

THAT'S SIGNIFICANT VERSUS INSIGNIFICANT.

SO I BELIEVE WHEN WE SEND THAT OUT AND WE'VE WE'VE TOLD PEOPLE IT'S COMING, IT'LL COME TO YOU ALL, IT'LL COME TO EVERYBODY ON OUR LIST.

I THINK THAT THEY'LL FIND THOSE THAT ARE REALLY DIGGING INTO IT.

THEY'LL FIND THAT IT'S VERY HELPFUL.

SO ANYWAY, I ACTUALLY THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ITEM ARE ALL RELATED TO THE SAME TOPIC, BUT THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR SOME FUNDING FOR THE CONSULTANT DOING ALL THIS EXTRA WORK.

OKAY. AND PART OF THAT YOU WE'RE ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? YES. WE'RE SENDING THAT TEN PAGE SUMMARY TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH ANY SOCIAL MEDIA, MAKING SURE WE WANT THEIR ENGAGEMENT.

RIGHT. WE'RE ADVERTISING SOMEWHERE.

SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.

JOAN, DO YOU WANT TO ADD MORE TO IT? BECAUSE JOAN'S BEEN WORKING HARD ON ALL THAT, SO.

YEAH. JOAN.

JOAN. MISS JOAN BROWN, YOU YOU'VE BEEN THE POINT FOR THAT SUMMARY.

CONDENSING THOSE 1400 PAGES.

THANK YOU, MA'AM, I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.

THANK YOU. THAT WILL BE POSTED ONLINE TOMORROW MORNING.

I'D SEND IT TO IT THIS EVENING, SO I EXPECT IT'LL BE UP AND ONLINE EARLY IN THE MORNING.

YES. SO THERE ARE THREE OPEN HOUSE SESSIONS MYSELF, LISA AND POTOCKI WITH INSPIRED PLACEMAKING WILL MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO HAVE QUESTIONS COME DIRECTLY TO US.

WE'LL INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE'LL TALLY A SUMMARY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND OUR RESPONSES OR REVIEW TO THAT.

WE CAN EVEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WHETHER WE THINK IT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS SPACE, OR WAIT UNTIL A FUTURE PHASE, YOU KNOW, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

WE'VE POSTED EVERYTHING ON THE WEBSITE AT TBFL.ORG/LDC UPDATES.

ALL THE CHAPTERS, INDIVIDUAL CHAPTERS ARE ON THERE.

THERE IS THE INPUT BOARDS THAT WERE USED AT THE STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOPS CONDUCTED IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.

THERE IS A TABLE OF CHAPTERS MOVING OUT OF THE LDC INTO THE PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

THERE ARE THERE IS AN EMAIL ADDRESS THAT'S BEEN SET UP WITH A SHARED INBOX FOR LISA AND MYSELF THAT ANYBODY CAN EMAIL THEIR INPUT, THEIR QUESTIONS.

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ANY COMMENTS TO INPUT AT PBS.ORG? WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME SINCE WE PUBLISHED THAT THIS AFTERNOON.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD JUST ASK IS, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS WANT TO ENGAGE, JOIN US FOR THE OPEN HOUSE SESSIONS.

IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE IN PERSON, WE HAVE A VIRTUAL SESSION.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ATTEND ANY OF THEM, PLEASE SUBMIT TO THAT EMAIL ADDRESS INPUT AT PBS.ORG.

EVERYTHING WE GET BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON AUGUST 19TH WILL BE SUMMARIZED IN THE UPDATED STAFF REPORT FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS, YOU KNOW, IS INVITING THE EDC AND THE WEATHERMAN.

I'D LIKE TO GET HER INPUT, LIKE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SAID AS WELL, BECAUSE SHE KNOWS HER COMPETITORS, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES, RIGHT? OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, OTHER LOCATIONS AS TO WHAT GAVE WHAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GAVE THEM AN EDGE OVER ANOTHER CITY? RIGHT. SO THOSE DISCUSSIONS, I'M CURIOUS TO FIND OUT AS WELL TO INCLUDE THEM PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

I KNOW THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE DEDICATING YOURSELVES TO EVEN MEETING THE PUBLIC OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT YOU KNOW, ARE STAKEHOLDERS.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD.

SO NO SPEAKER CARDS.

I NEED A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ADD I WANT TO COMMEND, YOU KNOW, MISS SHERMAN AND STAFF FOR GETTING THIS PUT TOGETHER IN A REALLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

IT'S AN AMAZING JOB.

REALLY, REALLY GREAT WORK.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

MRS.. MRS. JONES. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. IN KEEPING WITH THE THEME OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS COUNCIL HAD CONTINUED THE TWO ITEMS RELATED TO THOSE UPDATES TO THE SPECIAL MEETING ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 22ND.

THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS ADVISED THAT THEY HAVE SOME CONFLICTS WITH THAT DATE, AND HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE MEETING BE RESCHEDULED TO THURSDAY, AUGUST 29TH TO 6 P.M.. DO YOU DID YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT OR.

YES, PLEASE. OKAY.

WELL, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE.

ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS. SO I NEED A MOTION.

MOTION TO RESCHEDULE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS TO.

THURSDAY, AUGUST 29TH AT 6 P.M..

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WE ARE NOW ON COUNCIL REPORTS AND COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I HATE TO STEP ON YOUR FEET, YOUR TOES, BUT ON I BELIEVE IT'S, WHAT, AUGUST 23RD.

THERE'S A THE REMEMBRANCE TO REMOVE THE PLAQUES IN SACRIFICE PARK.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE 23RD, ISN'T IT? 22ND. EXCUSE ME TO REMOVE THOSE PLAQUES, YOU KNOW, TO THAT HONOR OUR FALLEN FIRST RESPONDERS.

AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT EVENT.

I'D LIKE TO PEOPLE TO GET OUT THERE JUST TO PAY THEIR RESPECTS TO THOSE THAT THAT GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.

YOU'RE NOT STEPPING ON MY TOES.

BROTHER, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT EVENT, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING BRINGING THAT OUT AND HIGHLIGHTING IT BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT EVENT.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND CREATING A DIFFERENT VENUE TO HONOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR US.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP, SIR.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. YES, SIR.

DEPUTY MAYOR.

WELL, I, I HAVE SOMETHING I'LL TAKE UP ALL YOUR TIME.

YOU YIELD MY TIME. YOU YIELD YOUR TIME? NO. THE VERY FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY.

LISTEN WE HAD A LOSS OF LIFE IN OUR CITY AGAIN.

AND MY MY HEART AND MY PRAYERS GO TO THE VICTIMS FAMILIES AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO COMMEND THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE US EACH AND EVERY DAY.

OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TAKE IT.

EACH AND EVERY DAY.

AND THEY DEAL WITH THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO DEAL WITH.

NOT ONLY THAT, THE TIMING OF THE EVENT WHERE YOU HAD OFFICERS BAKER, THOMAS BAKER AND JOHN NEAL APPROACH THE

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HOUSE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE VICTIMS WERE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND ENGAGE, ENGAGE THE SUSPECT RIGHT THEN AND THERE TO DETER FROM THOSE OTHER VICTIMS FROM BECOMING CASUALTIES IS TO BE COMMENDED.

I'M PROUD OF THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE OUR CITY, AND WE OWE YOU A HUGE DEBT OF GRATITUDE.

AND I THANK YOU FOR EVERY DAY THAT YOU PUT ON YOUR BELT.

AND YOU GO OUTSIDE AND YOU SAY, I'M GOING TO PROTECT THE LIVES OF STRANGERS AND THE FAMILIES OF OF THOSE STRANGERS. SO MAY GOD BLESS YOU.

GOD KEEP YOU. MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOUR FAMILIES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, MADAM SHERMAN.

NOTHING, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH.

NOTHING FURTHER.

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

BUTCH. I'LL BE QUICK BECAUSE IT'S LATE.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

PROMISE? YES.

BUTCH. TONIGHT, 219 TRENTON AVENUE.

PALM BAY. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEWHERE WITHIN OUR ROAD PROGRAM.

ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS? I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE SANFILIPPO HUMP.

IT'S BETWEEN THE LIGHT AT HOME DEPOT AND THERE.

AND MALABAR ROAD SPILLS YOUR COFFEE, KNOCKS YOUR KID OUT OF THE SEATS.

I MEAN, IT'S TERRIBLE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GET UP TO MALABAR ROAD, IT'S THE SAME THING GETTING INTO THE AREA OVER THERE.

NEW CONSTRUCTION ONCE THEY COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COMPLETE THAT CONSTRUCTION? WHILE I WAS GONE AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THREE MONTHS, THEY BUILT THREE NEW HOUSES.

THERE'S TWO UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON SANFILIPPO.

NO, SORRY. BACK UP ON DEGROOT.

WEST SIDE, JUST SOUTH OF JUPITER.

THEY'VE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS.

NOTHING'S GOING ON WITH THEM.

IT APPEARS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO AN ALUMINUM HOUSE.

THE ROOF? YEAH, IT'S ALL SITTING THERE, BUT NOTHING'S BEING DONE.

SO IS THERE A TIME LIMIT THAT ONCE YOU COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE IT? OR CAN YOU JUST LET IT SIT FOREVER? AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET OUT AND VOTE.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO.

MA'AM, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT ROAD.

THAT SECTION IS THE MALABAR ROAD.

IS IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTIES KNOW THAT THAT PORTION IS OURS.

THAT'S OURS. THE SAN FILIPPO HUMP THAT HE CALLS.

YEAH. SO THE TWO AREAS I WILL GET AN UPDATE FROM STAFF TO TO MAKE SURE.

AND WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH MR.. BUT MALABAR WE HAD DONE THE SLIP LINING OF SOME OF THE PIPES AS A TEST AND A SLIP, A SLIP LINE, BUT ALSO THAT GROUTING WHERE WE'RE FILLING IN ALL THE CRACKS AROUND THE AREAS THAT WERE CAUSING THE ROAD TO TO SINK IN.

AND THAT PILOT TESTING WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SO THE LAST I HAD HEARD WAS THAT THE NEXT PHASE WAS TO GO BACK IN AND DO THE REST OF THE PIPES ON MALABAR, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY THE PAVING, THE REPAVING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SAN FILIPPO I DON'T HAVE A CURRENT UPDATE, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT THAT WAS AN AREA I BELIEVE WE DID THE SLIP LINING OF THOSE PIPES AS WELL.

SO I WILL CHECK WITH STAFF AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

THAT HUMP IS IS IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

YES. YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION ISSUES THAT HE BRINGS UP.

YEAH. I'M NOT AWARE OF A A REQUIREMENT OR A TIME FRAME OR ANYTHING WE HOLD PEOPLE TO FOR HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO BUILD THEIR HOME.

DOES. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING, JOAN MAY? YEAH. YES, MAYOR.

I CAN'T I CAN'T TELL YOU.

THERE ISN'T THERE IS A TIME LIMIT WHEN YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT.

YOU HAVE ABOUT A YEAR TO START.

THERE IS AN EXPIRATION DATE ON A BUILDING PERMIT.

THE DAY YOU PULL IT, THE CLOCK START A YEAR, 360 DAYS.

YOU DON'T START.

YOU HAVE TO APPLY AGAIN AND PAY THE IMPACT FEES AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF ONCE YOU START IT, THERE'S NO SAYING.

BUT I THINK IF YOU THE BUILDING, THE PARTICULAR BUILDER YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IF YOU RECALL, A YOUNG MAN LOST HIS LIFE AS HE WAS FLYING THE TRUSSES. CORRECT.

AND IT HIT THE THE LINE OFF SAN FILIPPO.

THAT'S THE SAME BUILDER.

SO ALL THIS PROJECT STARTED FROM THERE BECAUSE OF A LAWSUIT IS FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO WITH THAT BUILDER.

SO THAT BUILDER, PRETTY MUCH ALL THIS PROJECT, WHATEVER HE HAD.

AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE USED THOSE, HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT USED THOSE ALUMINUM TRUSSES.

SO ALL THESE PROJECTS STOLE.

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IN FACT I STOLE.

IN FACT, I SPOKE TO THE GENTLEMAN, THE FRAMER THAT DID HIS PARTICULAR JOB WHERE THAT INCIDENT HAPPENED.

HE WAS TELLING ME HE WAS SUED.

EVERYBODY THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO GOT SUED.

SO YEAH, THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK HISTORY ON THAT.

SO WHAT LEGAL RECOURSE DO WE HAVE IF IT JUST SITS THERE FOR TWO YEARS OR A YEAR AND A HALF? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO? I'LL HAVE JONES OKAY.

REAL QUICK. YES, MR. MAYOR? YES. HOLD ON.

GO AHEAD. MA'AM.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON SIMILAR SITUATIONS IN OTHER AREAS.

OH, RIGHT. RIGHT.

THAT COMPANY? YEAH.

WHEN THOSE CASES DO COME UP AND THEY HAVE STALLED.

AND THIS IS WHY I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS AN EXPIRATION ONCE CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED.

I KNOW THERE'S 180 DAYS WHEN A PERMIT IS ISSUED THAT YOU HAVE TO START CONSTRUCTION AND YOU CAN GET ANOTHER 180 DAY RENEWAL.

BUT I'LL CONFIRM WITH OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL ON THE TIMELINE TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION.

HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME THAT HAVE STALLED, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THE BUILDING TEAM WILL TRY TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR IF THEY CONTINUE TO TRY AND ENGAGE THE CONTRACTOR, AND THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MORE PROGRESS ON THAT WORK.

THAT BECOMES AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE.

AND THEN WE COORDINATE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO GO THROUGH DUE PROCESS TO TRY AND GET THEM TO COMPLY.

IF THEY DON'T COMPLY, THEN WE GO THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS, THEN TO ESSENTIALLY LEAN THE PROPERTY TO DEMO THE STRUCTURE.

COPY THAT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH.

MR. MAYOR, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I THINK THE BUILDER WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT.

ALSO, WHAT WE CAN DO DEPENDS ON WHO OWNS THOSE LOTS.

WHERE THOSE HOUSES OWNED BY THE BY THE BUILDER.

AND HE BUILD THEM ON SPEC AND TO SELL THEM LATER, IN WHICH CASE THE BUILDER IS ONE WHO OWNS THE LOTS.

AND MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING THERE.

OTHERWISE, THEY MAY BE OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO HIRED THE BUILDER TO BUILD ON THOSE LOTS.

AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO IN THAT SITUATION, I DON'T BELIEVE.

COPY THAT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? AND YOUR NEXT MASTER CHIEF? GOOD NIGHT. COUNCIL.

I'LL FIGURE FROM 1680 MAIN STREET NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

ON THAT PERMIT TOPIC YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN YOU GET A PERMIT, IF YOU IF YOU DON'T CALL IN AN INSPECTION WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

IT EVENTUALLY VOIDED THE PERMIT.

YOU HAVE TO REAPPLY, SO EVERY SIX MONTHS YOU HAVE TO CALL IN FOR AN INSPECTION ON THE BUILDING.

YES, SIR. BUT ANYWAY, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS CAN WE TABLE SOME OF THESE ISSUES, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THIS BUILDING ISSUE WE HAVE TONIGHT? I ALWAYS SAY TO MYSELF, IF I EVER MAKE IT ON COUNCIL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE IF WE HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE OR EVEN FIVE PEOPLE COME TO QUESTION AN ISSUE LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT, WE SHOULD AS A COUNCIL, I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT AND INVESTIGATE OR GIVE TIME TO GET SOME MORE FACTS ON IT.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, BECAUSE IN MY EYES, IT SEEMED LIKE WE IGNORE THE CITIZENS THAT CAME AND VOICED THEIR OPINION BECAUSE WE WENT AHEAD AND AND AND APPROVE IT ANYWAY.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING.

THE OTHER THING IS THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE COLLECT ON PROJECTS.

CAN WE DO ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THIS, THIS SAME PROJECT TONIGHT ON THAT LOCATION WHERE THE IMPACT CREATED, CAN THAT $1 MILLION DO ANYTHING TO THAT COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING ELSE? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ME.

THE OTHER THING I WAS TRYING TO PUT ACROSS I PARK ACROSS THE SHOPPING CENTER.

TO THIS EVENING WITH MY DUMP TRUCK BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE WERE CAMPAIGNING, SO I FIGURED I'D PARK IT OVER THERE.

WHEN I WAS WALKING ACROSS THE STREET.

MIDDLE ROAD HAS JUST PAVED.

WE HAVE A CROSSWALK FROM THE LIBRARY.

AND THAT BRIDGE DESIGNED FOR A WALK.

WHY DIDN'T WE PUT A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK THERE? THE SECOND THING I KNOW, TIME IS RUNNING SO FAST.

THE OTHER THING IS I WAS WALKING ON, ON THE WALKWAY COMING UP TO THE CITY HALL, AND WE HAVE A HUGE, HUGE OAK TREE THAT'S ROTTED.

AND WE HAVE SO MUCH BRANCHES FALLING ON THE GROUND RIGHT HERE.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF ANY STAFF OR NOBODY FOR THE CITY.

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I SEE SUCH A DANGEROUS THING BECAUSE THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS.

BIG ROTTED BRANCHES DROPPING ON THE GROUND.

SO I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS ACROSS AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, THERE'S A FEW THINGS HERE I'D LIKE TO.

THE PEDWAY ON MITTEN ROAD IN PARTICULAR.

THAT CROSSWALK I THINK WE'RE LOOKING INTO.

OKAY. YES. YOU'VE GIVEN US DIRECTION ON THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE.

IT IS AN ISSUE.

I KNOW THAT IN MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH PUBLIC WORKS STAFF WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE THE VISIBILITY IN THAT AREA.

I THINK IT WILL NEED, YOU KNOW, SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, TRAFFIC CALMING, FLASHING LIGHTS TO DRAW ATTENTION TO PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THERE.

SO THERE'S A WHOLE DESIGN THAT HAS TO OCCUR.

IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT IN.

SO THAT'S STILL ON PUBLIC WORKS LIST.

IMPACT FEES ARE REQUIRED TO BE USED IN THE AREA IN WHICH THEY'RE COLLECTED FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING THAT AREA.

SO YES, IF YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING BIG ON MALABAR, LIKELY YOUR IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO MALABAR IMPROVEMENTS.

THE OAK TREE, I BELIEVE YOU ARE REFERRING TO ONE THAT'S AS YOU COME OFF THE BRIDGE FROM THE LIBRARY.

SO THAT'S ON THE COUNTY PROPERTY.

I DID NOTICE THAT THE OTHER DAY, SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE REPORTS IT TO THEM TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.