SO GOOD EVENING. [00:00:03] I'M GOING TO CALL THIS SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING 2024 DASH 23 TO ORDER. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY PHILLIP WEINBERG OR COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. ALL RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HURRAH! WE'RE ON ROLL CALL. MISS LEFFLER, MAYOR MEDINA PRESENT. DEPUTY MAYOR. FELIX HERE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG HERE. MISS SHERMAN HERE. MISS SMITH HERE. SO, NUMBER ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTARY BY STAFF MADAM SHERMAN. [COMMENTARY BY STAFF:] THANK YOU. MAYOR. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO READ A STATEMENT REGARDING OUR OUR BUDGET REQUIREMENTS HERE. THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, HAS TENTATIVELY ADOPTED AN. OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 7.0171 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024. AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. THE TENTATIVE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 7.0171. EXCEEDS THE TRIM CURRENT YEAR. AGGREGATE ROLLED BACK RATE OF 6.5627 BY 6.92%. THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE BEING ABOVE THE 3% CAP IS CAUSED BY NEW CONSTRUCTION BEING EXCLUDED FROM THE 3% CAP. CONTRIBUTING TO THE OPERATING MILLAGE. RATE INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE ARE THE FOLLOWING. ANTICIPATED HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFIT ASSOCIATED EXPENDITURE INCREASES OF 5%. FUNDING REQUIRED FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION CONTRIBUTION OBLIGATIONS OF 9.6 MILLION, RESULTING IN A 29.9% INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. 1.7 MILLION IN HIGH PRIORITY FUNDING NEEDS, INCLUDING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS REQUIRING PAYMENT. ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND INVESTMENTS TOTALING 3.2 5,000,004 MILLION IN PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS, INCLUDING 35 ADDITIONAL FTE POSITIONS FOR THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND SEVEN ADDITIONAL FTE POSITIONS FOR INTERNAL SERVICE DEPARTMENTS TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S GROWTH. THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA HAS ALSO TENTATIVELY ADOPTED A DEBT MILLAGE RATE OF 1.1210 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. THE TENTATIVE DEBT MILLAGE RATE SHALL GENERATE ESTIMATED REVENUES TOTALING $10,013,557, BASED ON THE GROSS TAXABLE VALUE CERTIFIED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, AND ASSUMING AN ESTIMATED 96% COLLECTION RATE. THESE REVENUES ARE RESTRICTED AND ARE DESIGNATED FOR PAYMENTS OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. SERIES 2019 DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TOTALING $3,525,250. THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2021 DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TOTALING $3,447,650 AND THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2023. DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TOTALING $3,040,825, ALL DUE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2025. BUDGET YEAR. ALL CONCERNED CITIZENS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX INCREASE TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024, AT 6 P.M. IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, LOCATED AT 120 MALABAR ROAD, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA. 32,007. A FINAL DECISION ON THE PROPOSED TAX INCREASE AND THE BUDGET WILL BE MADE AT THIS HEARING. AND JUST TO. THAT'S THE END OF MY OFFICIAL STATEMENT I NEED TO READ. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WE SET THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE WE ARE REFLECTING IT, AS I JUST READ AT THE 7.0171. HOWEVER, THE BUDGET IS BUILT ON THE 3% CAP RATES, WHICH IS 6.7339. AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE FINAL BUDGET HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 26TH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER ONE. [PUBLIC HEARING:] I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MISS SHERMAN TO PRESENT IT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ANGELICA COLLINS, OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ANGELICA COLLINS, AND I'M THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY. MY PRIMARY FOCUS IS HANDLING THE BUDGET PROGRAM AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND TONIGHT WE ARE HERE FOR OUR FIRST PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS TO ADOPT THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET. SO WE HAVE AN AGENDA TONIGHT, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THAT. AND THEN I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HIGHER LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE BUILT FOR 2025. EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, AND AS MR. CHAIRMAN SAID, IT IS ALL BUILT ON THE 3% CAP RATE, WHICH IS 6.7339. [00:05:07] SO IT'S A HIGH LEVEL. IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN JULY AT OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. AND THEN WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE BROUGHT TO US, WE HAVE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THOSE AS WELL. AND I'VE PROVIDED YOU ALSO A LITTLE HANDOUT OF IN DETAILS WHAT THOSE MAJOR CHANGES WERE. SO FOR TONIGHT FOR OUR TOPICS OF REVIEW WE WILL DISCUSS OUR FISCAL YEAR 2025 IMPORTANT NUMBERS. SO AS I ALWAYS DO WE TALK ABOUT CITYWIDE ALL FUNDS REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES. AND THEN WE'LL HEAVILY FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGETS WHICH CHANGES SUMMARY, WHICH THAT IS FOR MY REQUIREMENT. I HAVE TO DISCLOSE ANY CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE FROM THE JULY PUBLICATION TO WHAT WE ARE ADOPTING, SO I WILL PROVIDE YOU THOSE TONIGHT IN A HIGHER LEVEL. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND HEAVILY, TALKING ABOUT OUR REVENUES BY SOURCES, EXPENDITURES BY TYPE AND DEPARTMENT, AND OUR FUNDING STRATEGY GOALS. I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE FIVE YEAR MASTER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH RANGES FROM 2025 TO 2029, AND ANY FUTURE PLAN PROJECTS AND ASSETS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTINUED FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT WE SORT OF HAVE PLANNED WITHIN THE THIS MONTH AND IN THE FIRST FEW WEEKS WITHIN OCTOBER, AND ANY UPCOMING IMPORTANT DATES THAT WE DO STILL HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT. JUST TO REITERATE, OUR FISCAL YEAR 2025 IMPORTANT NUMBERS ARE OUR BUDGET IS BUILT ON THE 3% CAP RATE, WHICH FOR UPCOMING 25. EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, IS 39. I VOTED DEBT MILLAGE RATE IS 1.1210, WHICH THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 NOW COVERS THREE GENERAL OBLIGATION PAYMENTS IN 24. WE STILL COVER TWO, BUT THAT RATE DID HAVE TO INCREASE IN ORDER TO COVER THAT ADDITIONAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENT FOR THE MOST RECENT GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND THAT WAS DRAWN ON THE REMAINDER OF THE $50 MILLION. OUR NEW GENERAL FUND TWO MONTH REQUIREMENT, MINIMUM FUND BALANCE WOULD BE ROUGHLY ABOUT $18.6 MILLION. GENERALLY, IT'S ALWAYS 16.7%. BUT AS THE GENERAL FUND GROWS FROM YEAR TO YEAR THAT WE ADOPT NATURALLY, YOUR MINIMUM MONTHLY MINIMUM MONTHLY BOND MINIMUM FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT WILL ALSO GROW. ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND STABILIZATION FUNDS. WE USUALLY PRESENT YOU WITH NUMBERS BETWEEN 2 AND 4%. SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY PUT INTO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE ALWAYS MAINTAIN THAT 4%, WHICH IS RECOMMENDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OVER $2 MILLION. THE STABILIZATION FUND IS REALLY USED FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES. NOW I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET WITH CHANGES. SUMMARY. SO THIS IS WHAT I HAD MENTIONED IS WE DO A PUBLICATION IN JULY WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT DO OCCUR BETWEEN THEN AND WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU NOW. SOMETIMES IT'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT WE DO TRY TO INCORPORATE WITHIN THE BUDGET. WE HAVE SOME REVENUE UPDATES THAT COME IN. THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT I FIND THAT DO NEED CORRECTION, WHICH THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT IS CAPTURED AND PUT OUT FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, SO THAT THOSE CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. SO THAT WAY WE GO INTO OCTOBER 1ST AND ADOPTING THE BUDGET AS CLEAN AND EFFECTIVELY AS WE CAN. SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERALL SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. SO THE CITYWIDE ALL FUNDS. SO THINK OF ALL FUNDS THAT THE CITY HAS ALL OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, GENERAL FUNDS, ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FUNDS, ALL OF THOSE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 HAS INCREASED BY $819,199, OR REALLY, 0.2% FROM THE PROPOSED NUMBERS THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A PROPOSED BUDGET OF THAT WE WOULD BE ADOPTING, IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO IN TWO WEEKS OF ABOUT $373.2 MILLION. I PROVIDE TO YOU ALL THE FUNDS THAT I HAVE MADE UPDATES IN TO THE LEFT. I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE PROPOSED DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE TOTAL FUND VALUE THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU IN JULY, AND THE PROPOSED FUND WITH CHANGES, FINAL AMOUNT THAT WE ARE HOPING TO ADOPT, AND THEN ANY OF THOSE NET DIFFERENCES. I'LL GO IN DETAIL IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ON WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE. SO THOSE ARE SIMPLY JUST DISCLOSURE NUMBERS FOR YOU TO SEE WHERE I STARTED AND WHERE I ENDED. THE GENERAL FUND IS ALWAYS OUR BIGGEST ONE THAT I LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S OUR MAIN OPERATING FUND AND THE MAJORITY OF THE REVENUE IS OUT OF TAXATION. [00:10:06] SO THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT I HAVE MADE. WE HAD AN IT STORAGE SOLUTION, ANNUAL RECURRING PAYMENT THAT AFTER I SPOKE WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT, HAD TO BE PLACED BACK INTO THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT WAS A RECURRING PAYMENT. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED THAT FOR NEXT YEAR. WE HAD ADDED ONE ADDITIONAL POSITION, AN ENGINEER, ONE IN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. SO WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT POSITION AS WELL. THAT 101,000 DOES INCLUDE SALARIES, BENEFITS. AND OF COURSE THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL IT REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THAT TO GET THAT POSITION STARTED. FIRE PENSIONS. SO THAT'S A BIG CORRECTION. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FOUND AS I WAS GOING THROUGH ALL OF MY ACCOUNTS, MY THOUSANDS OF ACCOUNTS. SO WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS FIRE, FIRE PENSIONS IN ADDITION WITH POLICE PENSIONS AS WELL. HOW THEY ARE BUDGETED ANNUALLY IS BASED ON AN ACTUARIAL REPORT. SO THE ACTUARY COMES IN, THEY DO AN AUDIT AND THEY PROVIDE THE CITY WITH THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNT THAT ANNUALLY DOES HAVE TO BE BUDGETED. AND THAT'S WHAT I ENTER. AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS, IS THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD DONE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK. AND WITH ALL THE NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING ADDED, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL MONEY ADDED TO THE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY DID NOT NEED TO BE THERE. AND SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS AND I HAD NOTICED THAT ABNORMALITY WE DID SOME REVIEWING AND I HAD SPOKEN TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO IT WAS ACTUALLY AN INCORRECTLY BUDGETED AMOUNT AND I HAD TO REMOVE THAT. IF THAT WOULD HAVE STAYED, WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY IN THE OTHER END, SIGNIFICANTLY OVERFUNDED MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT THE ACTUARIAL REPORT REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE IN THE PERSONNEL COSTS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE. IT IS SIMPLY JUST A CORRECTION TO AN ENTRY ERROR THAT WAS MADE. AND WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT. SO WE'RE BACK TO THE AMOUNTS BETWEEN FIRE AND POLICE. THE ACTUARIAL REPORT, WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT AMOUNT WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT AHEAD AND MOVED IT TO A TRANSFER TO OUR LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX FUND. SO WE HAVE CREATED A FUND FOR A LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX REVENUE, WHICH IS A STATE SHARED REVENUE THAT COMES IN THAT REALLY ALLOWS US TO CONTRIBUTE MORE TO ALL SORTS OF ROAD MAINTENANCE TYPE OF WORK. THAT LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX REALLY NEEDS TO BE GEARED TOWARDS. SO LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX IN ITS SENSE IS THAT TYPE OF REVENUE THAT COMES IN THAT YOU NEED TO GEAR TOWARDS A CERTAIN TYPE OF CITY ACTIVITY. AND WE'RE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND NOW OFFSET THAT TRANSFER AND ADD AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS TO THAT FUND SO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT CAN SPEND SOME MORE FUNDING AND CONTRIBUTE SOME MORE DOLLARS INTO THAT TYPE OF SERVICE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE. INCREASED TRANSFER TO THE LOCAL FUND. SO WE ADDED A MILLION TO THAT. AND THEN I USED THE REMAINING 16,000 TO ACTUALLY BALANCE THE FUND. SO I HAVE TO BALANCE REVENUE AGAINST EXPENDITURES. SO AS I MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS I NEEDED THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO GO AHEAD AND BALANCE THE FUND TO ENSURE REVENUES MATCH YOUR EXPENDITURES. SO THOSE ARE YOUR CHANGES THAT OCCURRED IN THE GENERAL FUND. AS YOU SEE THE NET IMPACT IS ZERO. SO THE FUND IN TOTALITY DID NOT GROW IN ANY MORE VALUE FROM THE PROPOSED. IT IS SIMPLY ADJUSTING LINE ITEMS TO ENSURE THAT OUR ACCOUNTING PRACTICES ARE PROPERLY RECORDED. THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL CITYWIDE TOTAL BUDGET. AGAIN, IT'S $373.2 MILLION. AND THESE ARE YOUR MAJOR FUNDS THAT ARE GROUPED TOGETHER OF HOW THAT $373 MILLION IS REPRESENTED. I ALWAYS TELL YOU, GENERAL FUND IS THE LARGEST OPERATING FUND IN THE MAIN OPERATING FUND FOR THE CITY. AND WHICH STANDS IF WE WERE TO ADOPT AT THE 3% CAP, WERE TO STAND AT ROUGHLY ABOUT $122.8 MILLION, WHICH ALMOST ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 33% OF THE ENTIRE CITYWIDE BUDGET. AS I MENTIONED, THE MAJORITY OF THE REVENUE GENERATED IN THE GENERAL FUND IS YOUR AD VALOREM TAXATION. OUR UTILITIES FUNDS IS THE SECOND LARGEST GROUP OF FUNDS. SO WITHIN UTILITIES YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN OPERATING FUND AND THEN THEY HAVE VARIOUS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE SUCH A LARGE PORTION WITH ALL OF THE PLANT UTILITY EXPANSIONS AND RESTORATIONS AND REFURBISHMENTS THAT THEY'RE DOING. THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE CAPITAL FUNDING WITHIN UTILITIES. SO THEY ACCOUNT ABOUT FOR $109.2 MILLION, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT ROUGHLY ABOUT 30% OF THE ENTIRE CITYWIDE BUDGET. [00:15:05] SO BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE, WE'RE TALKING ROUGHLY ABOUT 63% OF THE ENTIRE CITYWIDE BUDGET. IS YOUR GENERAL AND YOUR UTILITIES FUNDS. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND IN SPECIFIC. SO WE TALK ABOUT IT BY SOURCE. YOUR GENERAL FUND AGAIN WILL AT THAT ADOPTED RATE TOTAL TO APPROXIMATELY $122.8 MILLION. PROPERTY TAXATION OR AD VALOREM TAXATION, IS YOUR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE, ACCOUNTING FOR ABOUT 47% AT ROUGHLY ABOUT $58.58 MILLION. SO THAT, AGAIN, IS SETTING IT AT 6.73393% CAP RATE. OUR SECOND LARGEST GROUP OF REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE GENERAL FUND ARE YOUR STATE SHARED REVENUES, WHICH ARE SORT OF SPLIT ACROSS A FEW OF THE GROUPS. SO WE HAVE OUR SALES USE AND FUEL TAXES, COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX, AND PART OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE. AND IN TOTALITY, OUR STATE SHARED REVENUES ARE APPROXIMATELY $24 MILLION, WHICH EQUALS TO ABOUT 20% OF THE FUND. SO BETWEEN THE STATE SHARES AND YOUR AD VALOREM TAXATION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 67% OF THE ENTIRE REVENUE GENERATED IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND I SPEAK A LOT ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND AND BEING THE LARGEST OPERATING TRULY OUTSIDE OF UTILITIES AND BUILDING AND A PORTION OF PUBLIC WORKS. THE REMAINDER OF THE DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING YOUR CHARTER OFFICERS, FULLY OPERATE IN THE GENERAL FUND, SO IT TRULY IS OUT OF THOSE 16. IN TOTAL DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE 13 DEPARTMENTS PLUS THREE CHARTER OFFICES, AGAIN OUTSIDE OF TWO DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IS UTILITIES AND BUILDING AND PARTIALLY PUBLIC WORKS. EVERYBODY ELSE GETS FULLY PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND FULLY OPERATES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES BY TYPE, AGAIN, THE $122.8 MILLION, 72% IS YOUR PERSONNEL COSTS, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR ROUGHLY ABOUT $88 MILLION. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL, WE TALK ABOUT SALARIES AND WAGES, YOUR BENEFITS, YOUR PENSIONS, YOUR RETIREMENTS, ANY TYPE OF AD PAYS THAT OCCUR. SO THAT IS ALL ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE PERSONNEL SERVICE COSTS. WE DO HAVE SOME SMALLER AMOUNTS SORT OF SPREAD OUT, BUT WE HAVE INCREASED OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE TRANSFER. SO THAT HAS STEADILY OVER THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS, BEEN INCREASING. AS YOU REMEMBER, WE STARTED WITH 1 MILLION AND THEN WE UPPED IT. SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE INCREASED IT AGAIN. AND OUR GOAL REALLY IN TRYING TO REACH THAT 4 MILLION ANNUALLY OR THAT'S KIND OF OUR FIRST INITIAL GOAL. WE ARE CONTRIBUTING 3.25 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BUILT IN FOR NEXT YEAR ALREADY. AND THEN OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, PROPERTY SALES AND ALL THOSE GO IN AS WELL. BUT THAT IS THE INITIAL CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN WE ALSO TALK ABOUT OUR CRA, ANY UNSPENT FUNDS WHICH THE CRA HAS SUNSETTED. BUT THAT FUND IS BEING CLOSED OUT. SO I STILL ANTICIPATE ONE ADDITIONAL PAYMENT BEING MADE IN THE FUTURE TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND AS WELL. OH, AND IN YOUR INTERFUND TRANSFERS, WHICH ROUGHLY ABOUT $7.5 MILLION. SIX. ABOUT SIX AND A HALF IS FOR YOUR DEBT SERVICE. SO THE GENERAL FUND DOES PAY FOR CERTAIN DEBT SERVICE THAT IS TRANSFERRED OUT TO CERTAIN FUNDS TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THOSE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS. IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNTING PRACTICE, BUT ESSENTIALLY 6.2 6.3 MILLION IS DEDICATED TO PAYING DEBT SERVICE THAT HAS TO BE PAID. AND THE OTHER 1.2 MILLION IS FOR THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX FUND. SO THAT'S THE ONE I JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND SOME OTHER TRANSFERS THAT GO OUT, THOSE INTERFUND TRANSFERS PRIMARILY ARE TO PAY FOR YOUR DEBT SERVICE AND TO GEAR TOWARDS THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TANK RESTRICTED SPENDING. I ALSO LIKE TO SHOW IT AS A BROKEN DOWN BY DEPARTMENT. SO WE KIND OF GROUP THEM TOGETHER. SO YOU HAVE YOUR CHARTER OFFICES, YOU HAVE SOME OF YOUR INTERNAL SERVICE DEPARTMENTS, GROWTH, CD, RECREATION, PARKS AND FACILITIES. WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO OUTSIDE OF USAGE OF IMPACT FEES, THEY ARE THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS AS WELL THAT PRIMARILY OPERATE IN THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN WE HAVE OUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT. GENERAL GOVERNMENT IS ESSENTIALLY NOT A DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S AN ACCOUNTING PURPOSE FOR CITYWIDE ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE PAID. SO WITHIN THAT 18 MILLION, THAT INCLUDES YOUR LIABILITY AND PROPERTY INSURANCE FLEET OPERATING CHARGES AND THE INTERFUND TRANSFERS. I JUST SHOWED YOU FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. [00:20:02] AND THOSE ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT. WHILE THOSE TRANSFERS ARE DONE BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND CERTAIN THINGS ARE PAID BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY COVER CITYWIDE PAYMENTS. SO LIKE LIABILITY AND PROPERTY INSURANCE, THAT IS A PAYMENT THAT IS MADE BY OUR UNDER CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UNDER RISK MANAGEMENT. BUT IT IS FOR ALL LIABILITY AND PROPERTY INSURANCE FOR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS. SO INSTEAD OF THEM SPREADING THEM OUT, IT IS ESSENTIALLY ONE PAYMENT THAT IS MADE. SO THAT'S HOW THAT KIND OF WORKS. I MENTIONED PUBLIC SAFETY. FIRE AND POLICE ARE THE LARGEST PORTION OF EXPENDITURES WITHIN THE FUND. SO THEY ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT $65.2 MILLION. OR ROUGHLY ABOUT 54%. SO THAT NUMBER IS KIND OF STAYS STAGNANT. SO AT LEAST HALF OF YOUR OPERATING EXPENDITURES WHETHER THAT IS PERSONNEL OPERATING OR ANY TYPE OF CAPITAL, ARE PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE AND POLICE. OUT OF THAT 65 MILLION AT THE MOMENT, IT'S 38.5 MILLION TO POLICE AND 26.8 MILLION TO FIRE. SO FIRE HAS HAD MORE CONTRIBUTIONS COME IN WITH MORE STAFFING. SO THAT'S SLOWLY BEEN INCREASING. BUT IN COLLECTIVELY OUR LARGEST REALLY OPERATING DEPARTMENTS ARE OUR FIRE AND POLICE. SO BEFORE I GO INTO THE CIP MASTER PLAN, LET'S JUST KIND OF RECAP ON WHAT OUR BUDGET FOCUS IS FOR THE GENERAL FUND FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THIS IS SORT OF JUST A RECAP OF WHAT I HAD PRESENTED IN JULY. WHAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED AND ANY CHANGES THAT I'VE MADE? BUT AGAIN, OUR CONTINUED FOCUS ANNUALLY IS ON FUNDING HIGH PRIORITY NEEDS. WHAT WE SEE HIGH PRIORITY NEEDS ARE, IS CONTRACTUAL PAYMENTS ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE PAID, RIGHT. SO WE HAVE CONTRACTS. SO WE HAVE REQUIRED PAYMENTS WITH NEW ADDITIONS. OR WE HAVE ANY KIND OF AUDIT FINDINGS OR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO BE PAID. SO THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY. NEED ROAD MAINTENANCE INVESTMENTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A PRIORITY TO US. AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE SLOWLY BEEN INCREASING THE TRANSFER TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOCATE 3.25 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT 500,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE ONE. I ANTICIPATE ONE MORE YEAR OF A CRA UNSPENT DOLLARS RETURN TO THAT FUND AS WELL. WE ARE CONTINUING OUR INVESTMENTS IN WORKFORCE EXPANSION, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'RE ADDING 35 PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS JUST WITH FIRE AND POLICE. SO THAT INCLUDES POLICE OFFICERS, LIEUTENANTS, FIREFIGHTERS AND SOME SUPPORT PERSONNEL, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT PERSONNEL AS WELL AS YOU'RE ADDING OTHER STAFF. WE'RE ADDING SEVEN FTE POSITIONS FOR INTERNAL SERVICE DEPARTMENTS. SO INTERNAL SERVICE DEPARTMENTS IS THINGS LIKE FINANCE GROWTH MANAGEMENT. SO AGAIN, AS THE CITY GROWS, YOU DO HAVE TO ADD STAFFING TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS OF ALL TO SUPPORT THE OTHER GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY. WE ARE INCLUDING A 5% PAY INCREASE FOR ALL GENERAL EMPLOYEE GROUPS, AND WE ARE MEETING ALL UNION CONTRACTS. NEIGE HAS BEEN IN PLACE ALREADY AND FIRE AND POLICE JUST WENT THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS, AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD IN ALL THE ANTICIPATED INCREASES FOR THOSE AS WELL. WE'RE HEAVILY INVESTING IN CERTIFICATION AND TRAINING NEEDS AND RECOGNIZING OUR CITY STAFF. WE'RE ADEQUATELY FUNDING OUR PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS. PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS YOU'RE ADDING MORE STAFF TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UNION STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE A REQUIRED PENSION. AND AS THOSE EMPLOYEES, CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND FUTURE EMPLOYEES GET PAY INCREASES, NATURALLY, YOUR PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE. SO WE ARE FUNDING THOSE ADEQUATELY. AND I HAVE SEEN A $9.6 MILLION INCREASE JUST FROM THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 30%. AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR, I THINK THE INCREASE FROM 23 TO 24 WAS ABOUT IN THE SAME RANGE. WE'RE TALKING ROUGHLY AROUND 30%. SO AS YOU CONTINUE ADDING MORE STAFF. SO REMEMBER I MENTIONED WE ARE ADDING 35 POSITIONS. NOW. NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE UNION POSITIONS BUT THE MAJORITY ARE. MY ANTICIPATION IS, IS THAT AS THE ACTUARIAL REPORT COMES BACK, THAT THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE IN THE FUTURE, AND WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR MAXIMUM 4% STABILIZATION. SO THAT'S ALSO A GOAL OF OURS JUST IN CASE FOR EMERGENCY NEEDS. [00:25:04] ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT OUR FIVE YEAR MASTER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. SO WHAT WE DO OR WHAT MY AREA DOES IS WE WORK WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO ACTUALLY BUILD A MASTER PLAN. SO WE LOOK AT ALL YOUR THE CAPITAL NEEDS, WHETHER THOSE ARE ASSETS OR PROJECTS, NEW ADDITIONS, REPLACEMENTS, REFURBISHMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT COULD BE A CAPITAL COST. AND WE WORK WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND TRY TO BUILD A PLAN FOR 2025 AND OUT. SO THOSE DEPARTMENTS GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FILLING OUT WORKSHEETS. I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE AN ASSET MANAGER THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN MOVED FROM AN ACCOUNTING DIVISION UNDER ME, AND I'M LOOKING AT EXPANDING THIS AREA THIS UPCOMING YEAR. SO THIS IS MY SECOND YEAR, THIRD YEAR, KIND OF TAKING ON THE MASTER PLAN. BUT MY IDEA FOR THE FUTURE IS TO TRULY MAKE THIS A BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND TO REALLY, TRULY BUILD A BETTER PLAN WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND TO HELP OUR CITY MANAGEMENT LOOK AT FUTURE COSTS AND BEING ABLE TO INVEST MORE IF FUNDING ISN'T NECESSARILY NEEDED WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME. SO IF YOU DON'T BUDGET A PROJECT, BUT YOU MAY NOT USE THAT CASH FOR A YEAR VERSUS SIX MONTHS, THEN WE CAN INVEST THAT DIFFERENTLY TO GAIN MORE INTEREST. SO WE'RE ABLE TO GENERATE SOME MORE REVENUE ON CASH THAT CAN BE INVESTED BETTER. SO THAT'S MY PLAN. SO HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WE CAN MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. BUT WE STILL WE WE WORK HARD WITH THIS IN OUR DEPARTMENTS REALLY WORK HARD. AND THEY GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS IN TRYING TO IDENTIFY FUTURE PROJECTS. SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST THE BREAKDOWN. SO WHAT I TELL YOU IS WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED OR WHAT IS BEING PLANNED FOR FUTURE YEARS. I ALWAYS PRESENT 2024. SO THOSE ARE EXISTING PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE FUTURE FUNDING NEEDS. THE ITEM THAT IS SORT OF CIRCLED IN THE ORANGE BASED ON FUND IS WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR 2025, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS BEEN FUNDED. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S A BIG NOTATION. THEY ARE PLANNED EXPENDITURES, PLANNED COSTS, PLANNED NEEDS. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN, ESPECIALLY IN THE GENERAL FUND. THE FUNDING JUST ISN'T THERE TO COVER THOSE. SO THIS KIND OF BREAKS IT DOWN BY FUND. SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE GENERAL FUND. WE DO HAVE IMPACT FEE REQUESTS. IMPACT FEE REQUESTS. OUR STANDARD IS IS THAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS STILL PLAN, BUT THEY STILL COME TO YOU DURING A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES. AND WE ALSO GO THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE PROPERLY UTILIZED. WE HAVE ALL VARIOUS TYPES OF FUNDS, WHETHER IT'S IMPACTS, FEES. WE HAVE YOUR ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND. SO THERE'S FUNDING FOR THAT. OUR GEO ROAD BOND PROGRAM WHICH IS A GENERAL OBLIGATION. BONDS UTILITIES BOTH OPERATING AND CAPITAL. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS, INCLUDING BUILDING STORM WATER FLEET. AND THEN WE DO HAVE GRANTS. GRANTS ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. THEY DO GO THROUGH A GRANTS WRITING PROCESS, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY IN THE FUTURE THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IDENTIFIED IN ORDER TO SOURCE FUNDING THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TAX THE CITY. SO THE GENERAL FUND IS USUALLY A BIG ONE. AGAIN, THAT I LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT. SO AS YOU SEE, FOR 2025, ROUGHLY ABOUT $51 MILLION OF CAPITAL NEEDS. SO THAT WOULD BE ASSETS AND PROJECTS THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS COLLECTIVELY, OF COURSE, OUTSIDE OF BUILDING AND UTILITIES, HAVE IDENTIFIED AS NEEDS THAT THEY ARE NEEDING TO HAVE FUNDED. BETWEEN ALL REQUESTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY ABOUT $131.4 MILLION FOR 2025 ALONE AND IN TOTALITY, 2025 THROUGH 2029. BECAUSE IT IS A FIVE YEAR PLAN, YOU'RE ROUGHLY LOOKING AT $747.2 MILLION DOLLARS OF CAPITAL NEEDS THAT THE CITY EITHER HAS OR NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR THAT HAVE PLANNED PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE YOUR FIRE STATIONS, YOUR POLICE STATIONS, AND HEAVILY YOUR WIDENING OF CERTAIN ROADS WITHIN THE CITY LIKE LINTON AND MALABAR. CITYWIDE, THE REQUESTS AGAIN FOR 2025 IS 131.3 MILLION. WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET? SO THE NUMBERS THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU WAS $63.3 MILLION, ABOUT 50%. AND WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THIS AND KNOWING KNOWING THIS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THAT WILL BE YOUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. THIS IS BREAKING DOWN THE SAME INFORMATION BY DEPARTMENT. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HEAVILY REQUEST FUNDING. [00:30:04] WE DO HAVE SOME OF OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS AND CHARTER OFFICERS THAT DO PRESENT THAT I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE SMALLER ASKS THAT YOU SEE BETWEEN CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, FINANCE AND BUILDING. IT'S USUALLY JUST VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. SO THEY DO HAVE VEHICLES THAT NEED THAT ARE OUTDATED, THAT ARE IN SERVICE, THAT DO NEED REPLACEMENT OR NEW ADDITIONS TO THE FLEET. HOWEVER, OF COURSE, YOUR BIG DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE IT PARKS AND FACILITIES, WE HAVE POLICE. FIRE HAS GONE THROUGH A TOTAL REVAMP AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THEIR NEEDS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM FROM RECENT YEARS, WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE. SO THEY'RE REALLY HEAVILY WORKING ON THEIR MASTER PLAN AND ACTUALLY PUTTING OUT THERE WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN OF COURSE UTILITIES MAKES UP 66 MILLION. SO A LOT OF THAT IS YOUR YOUR WASTEWATER AND WATER PLANTS THAT JUST NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AS THE PROJECT CONTINUES OVER YEAR TO YEAR, THEY'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO IT. SO AGAIN, THOSE NUMBERS DO YOU TIE OUT? SO FOR 2025, WE'RE LOOKING AT 131.3 MILLION. AND AGAIN ABOUT 48% HAS BEEN FUNDED. SO THIS BREAKS IT DOWN CITY WIDE. THE 131 MILLION FOR 2025. SO NOW WE'LL JUST BREAK IT DOWN AND REDUCE THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN TO JUST 2025. SO THESE ARE YOUR DEPARTMENTS THE FUND THAT THEY WORK IN. NOT JUST PRIMARILY BUT WHERE THAT REQUEST ALSO OCCURS. SO AS YOU SEE PUBLIC WORKS PUBLIC WORKS IS ONE OF THOSE COMBINATION DEPARTMENTS. A LOT OF OPERATING HAPPENS IN THE GENERAL FUND. BUT THEN THEY ALSO OPERATE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH WOULD BE WE HAVE STORM WATER. THEY DO GEO BOND ROAD MAINTENANCE, STORMWATER, THEIR FLEET SERVICES FUND AND THEIR SOLID WASTE. SO I DO BREAK THOSE OUT. SO IT TELLS YOU WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED, WHAT WAS FUNDED, THE PERCENTAGE THAT WAS FUNDED, AND THEN SOME COMMENTS. SO AS YOU SEE IN THE GENERAL FUND. NOT A LOT OF THE ITEMS WERE ACTUALLY FUNDED. I HAVE MADE SOME COMMENTS, LIKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FUNDING WAS REQUESTED FOR A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF THIS YEAR. SO FOR RECONCILIATION PURPOSES, I DID NOT WANT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE LIST BECAUSE IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN JULY. BUT SINCE JULY THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED WHERE THAT REPLACEMENT HAS OCCURRED. I KNOW A FEW ITEMS HAVE COME TO YOU IN ORDER FOR BUILDING TO TRANSFER SOME OF THEIR VEHICLES TO THE GENERAL FUND, OR SELL THEM AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY REPLACE SOME OF THE OUTDATED VEHICLES THROUGH THAT PURCHASE THAT HAS ALREADY COME TO YOU FOR APPROVAL. SO THIS IS JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW. SO AS I SAID, LOOKING AT THAT 48% INCLUSION OR APPROVAL OF WHAT WE'VE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET, AS YOU SEE, THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DOES ACCOUNT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THAT. THEY REQUESTED $66.2 MILLION, AND WHILE IT DOES STATE 92.9% WAS FUNDED. I CAN TELL YOU ACTUALLY 100% IS FUNDED. BUT WHAT WE HAD HAPPENED IS AS WE STARTED GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE REQUESTS, WE FOUND SOME OF THE REQUESTS ACTUALLY DID NOT MEET CAPITALIZATION THRESHOLD. SO WHILE IN THE SYSTEM, IT SHOWS ONLY 92% WAS INCLUDED. THE REMAINING 8%, OR SEVEN POINT ROUGHLY ABOUT 7.1% IS ACTUALLY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THEIR OPERATING BUDGETS. SO THEY STILL HAVE IT. IT'S JUST SORT OF ACCOUNTED FOR IN A DIFFERENT SECTION. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE MAJORITY OF IT IS WILL BE YOUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. A LOT OF THAT WILL BE IN THEIR CAPITAL CAPITAL FUNDS. THIS JUST BREAKS IT DOWN CITYWIDE BY REQUEST TYPE. I DO LIKE TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION WHETHER WE'RE DOING CAPITAL ASSETS OR CAPITAL PROJECTS. CAPITAL ASSETS WILL GENERALLY BE VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN PROJECTS ARE JUST YOUR LARGER UNDERTAKINGS THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL TOGETHER AND CAPITALIZING. THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN PHYSICAL. IT COULD ALSO BE AN IT PROJECT WHERE WE'RE REPLACING VARIOUS THINGS TOGETHER AND WE'RE JUST CAPITALIZING THEM AS A WHOLE. BUT GENERALLY THAT'S KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN FOR 2025. THE LARGEST DIFFERENCE WILL BE THAT YOU HAVE, OUT OF THE 131,000,119 IS PROJECTS. THAT'S YOUR UTILITIES, RIGHT? SO UTILITIES, AS I ALWAYS SAY, THEY'RE HEAVILY INVESTING IN THEIR PLANTS. SO THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL SEE A LARGE JUMP OF THAT. WE ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF REQUEST IT IS. WE HAVE HEALTH AND SAFETY ASSET PRESERVATION OR REPLACEMENT. SO THINK OF IF YOU'RE NEEDING TO REPLACE A VEHICLE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT. OR ANY SERVICE ASSETS, EXPANSIONS OR ADDITIONS. OR SOMETIMES IT'S A COMBINATION OF. SO WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH. AND THIS YEAR YOU ACTUALLY SEE AN EVEN SPLIT. [00:35:03] AND I CAN NOT EVEN. BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. IT'S A THIRD, A THIRD, A THIRD. I WILL TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE 36 MILLION WILL BE YOUR FIRE AND SAFETY DEPARTMENT. SO WITH FIRE, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LIKE I SAID, IT'S THEY'VE HEAVILY WORKED ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO THEY'VE DONE A WHOLE REVAMPING AND FOR THEM, THE MAJORITY RELATED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FOR THE 2025 FOR THAT YEAR. USUALLY IT'S BEEN ESPECIALLY IN THE GENERAL FUND, YOU'LL SEE THE ASSET PRESERVATION REALLY HIGH BECAUSE ALL OF THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS THAT HAVE HAD TO OCCUR. SO THIS IS JUST A GREAT INFORMATION TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW. WE ALSO LOOK AT THE MASTER CAPITAL PLAN. SO WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WANT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND. THE FIVE YEAR GENERAL MASTER CIP TOTALS 192 192.7 2.7 MILLION, AND THEY ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 25.8% OF ALL CITYWIDE REQUESTS. AND AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 87%. LIKE I MENTIONED, IS IS FIRE HAS REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB IN IN LOOKING AT ALL OF THEIR NEEDS. AND OF THAT 51 MILLION REQUESTS IN 2025. WE AND I WANT TO USE THE WORD ONLY BECAUSE IT REALLY IS ONLY WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO ACTUALLY ADD 215,000 INTO THE BUDGET. AND I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TYPO, IT SHOULD SAY 215,000 OR 0.4%, BECAUSE THE IT'S A LITTLE BIT TYPO THAT I HAVE, BUT THE 0.4% IS AT THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER. SO THINK OF THE ENTIRE REQUESTS OF THE 51 MILLION THAT WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED FOR THE CAPITAL PLAN. WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO, WITHIN THE APPROVED BUDGET, ADD THE 215,000, WHICH REALLY ACCOUNTS FOR LESS THAN HALF OF A PERCENT AND IT AGAIN BREAKS IT DOWN BY DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'LL KIND OF MATCH WHAT YOU SAW IN THE EARLIER SLIDE WITH WHAT WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED. THEN AGAIN WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR 2025 MASTER CIP. AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUESTS BY THE CITY DEPARTMENT, WHAT WAS FUNDED AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE AND WHY NOT. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT WE'RE ONLY FOCUSING ON THE GENERAL FUND AT THE MOMENT. SO THAT WILL BE YOUR 51 MILLION. WE WERE ABLE TO ADD 215,000. SO THAT COMES UP WITH YOUR 0.4%. SIMILAR TO THE OTHER SLIDE, WE GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT HOW THAT MAKEUP IS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. SO WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS STILL CONTINUE TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST. SO OUT OF THE 51 MILLION ABOUT 42 MILLION ARE THE PROJECTS AND THE OTHER ONES ARE YOUR CAPITAL ASSETS OR OUTLAYS. SO VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. A LOT OF THE 42 POINT MILLION, WE HAVE A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS. SO THAT THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE LARGEST CHUNKS IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S FIRE HAS REALLY LOOKED AT THE FUTURE PLANNING OF WHAT THOSE FIRE STATIONS LOOK LIKE. SO COLLECTIVELY, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ROWE FOR THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, 162 MILLION FOR OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND IS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AGAIN, WE LOOK AT A BREAKDOWN OF HEALTH, SAFETY, ASSET PRESERVATION AND SERVICE ASSET AND EXPANSION. AND HEALTH AND SAFETY WILL BE A LARGE CHUNK. SO AGAIN, THAT MIMICS WHAT I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON WHAT THEIR CAPITAL NEEDS ARE, NOT JUST FOR 2025 BUT FIVE YEARS OUT. SO BEFORE I WRAP UP OUR CONTINUED FOCUS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR UNFUNDED AND CAPITAL NEEDS ARE, RIGHT? SO WE TALK ABOUT THE ONLY 215,000. SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT 51 MILLION OF NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. SO OUR UNFUNDED CAPITAL NEEDS REALLY WE HAVE ABOUT 50.8 MILLION OR 96% ARE UNFUNDED. WE ALSO HAVE UNFUNDED PERSONNEL AND OPERATING NEEDS OF ROUGHLY ABOUT 18 MILLION. GENERALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER OR EARLY OCTOBER? YOUR CITY MANAGER WILL LOOK AT WHAT FUND BALANCE WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHAT OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WHAT SAVINGS WE HAVE. AND WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT BUFFER. AND SHE MAY COME TO YOU WITH AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE SHE HAS WORKED WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE OUT OF THIS PROCESS, WHAT WAS UNFUNDED AND LOOKS AT WHAT CAN WE FUND WITH THE BALANCE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE SAVINGS FOR TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THOSE NEEDS. SO YOU WILL SEE THAT COME. USUALLY IT'S THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, BUT I BELIEVE IT COULD BE THE FIRST IN OCTOBER JUST TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN ORDER. [00:40:02] AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT ON MY BUDGET, AMENDMENT ONE, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY. SO AS SOON AS IT'S APPROVED, THOSE DEPARTMENTS GO, GO AHEAD AND SPEND AGAINST THOSE APPROVED EXPENDITURES. AND THEN IN JANUARY, WHEN I DO MY BIG BUDGET AMENDMENT TO KIND OF CLEAN THINGS UP, THAT IS WHEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY ADD THE BUDGET AND ALLOCATE THOSE UNUSED DOLLARS TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS. OUR STATE SHARED REVENUES. WE ARE EXPECTING A DECREASE OF ABOUT 67,000 BASED ON WHAT WE HAD ESTIMATED. THEY'VE DONE NUMEROUS REVISIONS. I FEEL LIKE EVERY, EVERY 2 OR 3 WEEKS THE NUMBER CHANGES, BUT I'M HOPING WE KIND OF STICK WITH THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE OUR STATE SHARED REVENUE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ACCOUNTS OF THE STATE SHARED REVENUE BASED ON CERTAIN POPULATION THAT COMES IN, IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT PRETTY MUCH MEANS THAT WHAT OUR ESTIMATES ARE OF THE SECOND HIGHEST REVENUE AMOUNT, WHICH LET ME JUST GO BACK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THE NUMBER RIGHT. WE'RE ESTIMATING 24.1 MILLION. SO WE'RE WITHIN ABOUT 68,000 OF THE 24 MILLION OF WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO RECEIVE. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER, I ONLY BUDGET TO A 96% COLLECTION, MEANING THAT I NEVER BUDGET TO THE FULL AMOUNT COMING IN. SO MY ANTICIPATION IS, IS THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY EXCEED WHAT THE DEFICIT IS JUST BECAUSE I DON'T EVER ACCOUNT FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT COMING IN. SO IT DOES GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER. SO THAT IS THE MOST RECENT RECENT PUBLICATIONS THAT THE BUDGET WOULD ACTUALLY DECREASE BY ABOUT THAT AMOUNT. IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING INTO THE FUTURE. SO OUR ESTIMATES ARE PRETTY, PRETTY STEADY. MY LAST ITEMS ARE MY IMPORTANT UPDATES. SO AS I MENTIONED, IS I DO HAVE TO FOLLOW STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND HAVING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND DOING AN ADVERTISEMENT. SO TONIGHT IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS ADVERTISED IN EVERYONE'S PROPERTY NOTICES THAT WENT OUT. I DO PLAN ON ADVERTISING OUR TWO BUDGET ADS IN THE FLORIDA TODAY ON MONDAY 23RD. I JUST APPROVED THE FINAL FINAL SAMPLES AND THE PLACEMENT FOR THEM, SO THEY'RE ALREADY HOLDING THAT FOR US. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE ON MONDAY THE 23RD. AND THEN THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH. IT IS STARTING AT 6:00 AND IT IS IN THIS ROOM AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESET. AND I'VE ALREADY PRE AUTHORIZED EVERYTHING. AND THAT THAT MEETING WE WILL OFFICIALLY APPROVE OUR FINAL BUDGET FOR 2025. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING. I APPRECIATE AGAIN THE TIME AND ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS. IT'S BEEN NINE MONTHS OF DILIGENT PLANNING AND SO THIS IS KIND OF THE END FOR ME. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK. I CAN TRY TO ANSWER THOSE. WHILE MISS COLLINS, I'M GOING TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU. YOU'RE A TRUE BLESSING NOT ONLY TO THIS COUNCIL, BUT TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. I'M I'M GOING TO START WITH COUNCILMAN WEINBERG TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH. AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE YOU KNOW, REALLY, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE JOB THAT YOU DO BECAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW, IT'S INVOLVED A GREAT DEAL OF WORK. A COUPLE OF ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, NITPICKING QUESTIONS. THE ON THE THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET BY FUND. SLIDE SIX. YOU HAVE 2,875,000 AND CHANGE FROM BCRA IS THAT AFTER PAYING THE COUNTY THEIR SHARE? NO. SO SO HOW IT WORKS IS WE BUILD THE BUDGET BASED ON OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE CRA, SO THAT 2.8 MILLION IS OUR CONTRIBUTION, PLUS THE ESTIMATED OF WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD CONTRIBUTE. THIS UPCOMING YEAR IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE THE CRA HAS OFFICIALLY SUNSETTED. SO. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS, AND WE'RE ALL A LITTLE BIT UNSURE OF HOW THIS IS TREATED BECAUSE THE FUND IS ESSENTIALLY STILL ACTIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BASED ON CALENDAR YEAR 2023. AND AT THAT TIME, THE CRA WAS STILL ACTIVE. SO THAT 2.8 MILLION IS CURRENTLY THE SAME AS WE NORMALLY BUDGET. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MONTH OF JUNE? WE RECEIVE OUR FINAL AUDIT FROM OUR AUDITORS. THEY GO THROUGH THE BOOKS AND AT THAT TIME THEY TELL US THIS IS WHAT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT, AND THE RETURN COMES BACK TO THE CITY AND WE DO A RETURN TO THE COUNTY. SO THAT PROCESS IS IS AT THE MOMENT, WE'VE BUDGETED AT NO DIFFERENT METHOD THAN WE HAVE BEFORE. RIGHT I UNDERSTAND. A COUPLE OF OTHER LITTLE QUESTIONS. [00:45:02] IS IN SLIDES TEN, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 35 PUBLIC SAFETY, FULL TIME EMPLOYEE POSITIONS FOR FIRE AND POLICE. HOW MANY ARE YOU ANTICIPATING FOR EACH DEPARTMENT? SO LET ME SEE. OF THAT 35 THAT I HAVE IT. ALL RIGHT. POLICE WILL BE GETTING 17 AND FIRE WILL BE GETTING 18. I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TOTAL IT UP, BUT LET'S SAY, LIKE, FIRE. OUT OF THOSE 18, WE HAVE 15 FIREFIGHTERS. ONE FIRE LIEUTENANT AND TWO SUPPORT SUPPORT PERSONNEL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. ANGELICA. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. YES. STILL ON SLIDE TEN. I'VE FOR POLICE AND FIRE. HOW MANY? WE'RE ASKING FOR 35 TOTAL RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY VACANCIES DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING EITHER THAT DEPARTMENT OR HR WOULD HAVE TO KNOW. SO I DO NOT TRACK THOSE. SO IF WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THEM. OKAY. WE'RE FOLLOWING UP STILL ON THIS SLIDE. YOU MENTIONED FROM FISCAL YEAR 23 TO 24, IT WAS ABOUT A 30% JUMP WITH THE PENSION CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN FROM THIS 2024 TO NOW, IT WILL BE A ALMOST 30% WITH THE NEW FIRE AND POLICE CONTRACTS, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR? I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT AT THE MOMENT. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR FINAL PAY RAISES WOULD BE. AND THEN, IF ALWAYS, WILL DETERMINE ON MARKET CONDITIONS. SO THAT'S REALLY HOW THE ACTUARIAL DEPARTMENT SERVICES, THEY GO AHEAD AND RENDER THOSE. HOWEVER, I DO ANTICIPATE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE STAFF IN THE 35, THOSE WILL THEN EVENTUALLY IMPACT THAT AMOUNT. SO THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND AUDIT FISCAL YEAR 24. GIVE US THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT JUST WITH THE ADDITIONAL STAFF, THAT IS I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE, BUT IT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. I WOULD SEE THAT THAT GROWTH WILL CONTINUE, BUT IT ALL WOULD DEPEND ON THE MARKET CONDITIONS, ON HOW THE MARKET WITH THE INVESTMENTS DOES IT. WELL, SO I WOULD JUST ANTICIPATE TO CONTINUE SEEING THAT TYPE OF REVENUE INCREASE. AND IT COULD VERY WELL BE THIS YEAR IT WAS 9.6 MILLION ADDITIONAL. I WOULD ANTICIPATE SEEING IT AT ABOUT 10 MILLION. THANK YOU. JUST A ONE YEAR DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. DEPUTY MAYOR ERIC, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. ANGELICA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FOR YOUR SERVICES CITY. AS THE MAYOR SAID TRULY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. YOU AND YOUR TEAM. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS REGARDING PENSION. LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, BEING IN AN ENVIRONMENT OF 3% CAP ENVIRONMENT. NOW, DO WE HAVE A MODEL THAT IS SUSTAINABLE TO KEEP UP WITH AS THIS DEPARTMENT AS THEY CONTINUE TO GROW AND AS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING? DO WE HAVE A SUSTAINABLE YOU KNOW, MODEL TO ONE CONTINUE TO TAKE, TAKE CARE OF THEM AS THEY TAKE CARE OF US? RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SUSTAINABLE MODEL? SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ANY KIND OF CAPS THAT WE HAVE. SO I CAN ONLY PRESENT YOU WITH THE INFORMATION. A 3% CAP DOES LIMIT THE CITY ON TOP OF THE STATEWIDE CAPS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE FOR HOMEOWNERS. SURE. ON THE REVENUES THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GENERATE TO SORT OF SUSTAIN THAT GROWTH. AS YOU SEE, OUR I HIGHLY ALWAYS LOOK AT OUR RATES, RIGHT. AND OUR 3% CAP RATE IS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO OUR ROLLBACK RATE. SO A ROLLBACK RATE IS ESSENTIALLY BASED ON LAST YEAR'S INFORMATION. THE STATE SAYS AT THIS RATE YOU WILL CHARGE OR HOLD PROPERTY OWNERS WILL PAY THE SAME TYPE OF TAX TO THE CITY IF THIS ENVIRONMENT IS THE SAME. SO THEIR TAXES WOULD NOT INCREASE OUR NATURALLY, OUR REVENUE WOULD INCREASE BECAUSE YOU YOU'RE TAXING MORE PEOPLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE HOMEOWNERS, MORE PROPERTIES, MORE COMMERCIAL THAT'S COMING IN. BUT I HAD FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, I'VE KIND OF SAID, AS YOU WATCH THE NUMBERS, YOUR 3% CAP RATE, WHICH WE ARE REQUIRED PER CHARTER UNLESS IT'S A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE, CONTINUES TO THAT VARIANCE CONTINUES TO DECREASE. SO AS YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT PATH IN THE FUTURE, UNLESS WE [00:50:05] HAVE A HOUSING CHANGE, I MEAN, IF WE CONTINUE AT THIS PACE, YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GO BELOW ROLLBACK. I HAVE A GOOD RAPPORT WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR OUR COUNTY, AND I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT GOES BELOW ROLLBACK. IT IS JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A GOAL IF YOU ARE A CITY THAT IS STAGNANT, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE NEEDS AND SERVICES THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS, THEN MAINTAINING THAT RATE AT THE ROLLBACK OR EVEN GOING BELOW ROLLBACK WOULD BE DOABLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S YOU STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR SERVICES AND REDUCE SPENDING AND HAVE SAVINGS. BUT THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT TO ME IS FOR A MUNICIPALITY THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GROW MORE. YOU KNOW, THEIR STAFFING IS THE SAME. YOU MAY ADD 1 OR 2 POSITIONS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE NEEDS FOR THOSE TYPES OF FIRE STATIONS. THE CAPITAL, JUST THE THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE AND THOSE ARE NEEDS, RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE DEFINITE NEEDS. IT IT IS FROM A FINANCE SIDE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL I LOOK AT. WRIGHT AND I JUST FROM YEAR TO YEAR, AS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, THAT 3% CAP ENVIRONMENT, IT CONTINUES, THAT VARIANCE CONTINUES TO REDUCE. I THINK OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN WE WOULD LOVE TO BE AT A ROLLBACK RATE EVENTUALLY. AS YOU'RE TAXING MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE YOUR COMMUNITY GROWS, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, NATURALLY HOUSING COSTS OR MARKET VALUES, TAXABLE MARKET VALUES INCREASE. YOU'RE ABLE TO PROBABLY REDUCE THE RATE, AND YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO GENERATE THAT REVENUE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH. BUT FOR ME, THE NUMBERS OUTSIDE OF BLOCKING ANYTHING ELSE OUT, IT'S JUST THE NUMBERS TO ME ARE CONTINUING. THAT CONTINUES. THE VARIANCE CONTINUES TO REDUCE. THAT'S ALL I CAN REPORT TO YOU. AND I SEE THE MASTER PLAN AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ALL I CAN DO IS REPORT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU FOR YOU TO MAKE THE BEST. THANK YOU. NO, NO, I MEAN, YOU EVEN GO BEYOND? I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT, BUT BUT ESSENTIALLY YEAH, IT'S IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO SERVICE TO SERVICE OUR COMMUNITY. STAYING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, THE 3% ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. AND I MEAN, NATURALLY YOU SEE COST COST OF LIVING, BUT ALSO COSTS OF GOODS AND SERVICES THAT, YOU KNOW, PAVING THE ROADS AND, AND CERTAIN THINGS IS, IS NATURALLY IT'S INCREASING AND THE COSTS ARE THERE THAT ALSO HAVE TO BE PAID. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR HIGH PRIORITY NEEDS. CERTAIN THINGS DO HAVE TO BE PAID. AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR, CREATIVE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MAYOR. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR QUESTION? YES. OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'LL STAND IN JOB, AND I CONCUR. YOU YOU REALLY ELABORATED REALLY WELL ON OUR FUTURE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. SO I CAN STAND. YES, MA'AM. LISTEN, I CAN STAND HERE FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S REALLY APPARENT, MAN. AND WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE TRULY BLESSED TO HAVE YOU PART OF OUR TEAM. THANK YOU. YEAH. MR. MAYOR. YES. YEAH. I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE THING. ANGELICA MENTIONED TAXABLE VALUE. TAXABLE VALUE IS ALSO LIMITED TO A 3% INCREASE IN EACH YEAR BECAUSE OF THE SAVE OUR HOMES INITIATIVE AT THE STATE LEVEL. SO THAT'S ALSO ELIMINATED. THANK YOU. YES, SHE DID MENTION THAT IN OUR FIRST WORKSHOP. SO THANK YOU BROTHER I APPRECIATE THAT. SO AT THIS POINT I WANT TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU RAISE YOUR HAND BUT LIMIT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OUR TENTATIVE MILLAGE OR OUR PROPOSED BUDGET. SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING OUR PROPOSED BUDGET AND MILLAGE RATE? PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SANTA ISABEL WRIGHT. I LIVE AT 858 BRISBANE STREET, NORTHEAST PALM BAY. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY FOR 20 YEARS NOW, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAD SPECIFICALLY UNFUNDED PERSONNEL THAT WASN'T EXPLAINED. IF IT WAS, I WASN'T HERE FOR IT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT UNFUNDED PERSONNEL MEANS. NO, JUST. YES, MA'AM. JUST JUST KEEP GOING, MA'AM, AND THEN WE'LL GET YOU SOME ANSWERS, OKAY? I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHY ADVERTISING IN FLORIDA TODAY. ONLY WE HAVE HAITIANS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS SPANISH SPEAKING PEOPLE THAT DON'T READ FLORIDA TODAY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO BEYOND FLORIDA TODAY FOR ADVERTISING. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS BUDGET THE DEBT SERVICES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUDGET, WHAT IS THAT CONSIST OF SPECIAL REVENUE? [00:55:03] I DIDN'T CATCH ANY EXPLANATION ON THOSE. AND THESE HOUSING GRANTS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THESE GRANTS ARE COMING FROM, BECAUSE AS FAR AS I KNOW, PALM BAY HAS NOT BEEN ONE OF THOSE CITIES THAT IS OVERFLOWING IN GRANTS FOR HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE 5% PAY INCREASE TO REGULAR EMPLOYEES. I WANTED TO FIND OUT IF THE POLICE DISPATCH IS INCLUDED IN THAT 5%, OR IS THAT POLICE DISPATCH GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE POLICE BUDGET? THAT WASN'T CLARIFIED AS WELL. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IT DEPARTMENT HAVING SUCH A HARD A LARGE BUDGET WHEN WE HAVE NOT HAD OUR IT SYSTEM UPDATED TO WHAT IT IS AS IT IS TODAY. THE PAGE YOU HAVE MAYOR CAPOTE STILL ON THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. WHY THE DELAY IN SUCH A HIGH BUDGET? AND WE'RE REALLY NOT UP TO DATE LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY IS. AND AS FAR AS THE POLICE BUDGET AND FIRE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. VERY CAREFUL. WE'VE ALREADY, I THINK, AGREED ON THE ON THE BUDGET FOR THE THE HOW DO YOU CALL IT? THE BENEFITS OF THE OFFICERS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GETTING. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I'M NOT OKAY WITH ALL THESE EXTRA VEHICLES. I'M NOT OKAY WITH ALL THESE EXTRA EXPENSES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A BOARD OF THE COMMUNITY BACK PUT IN PLACE WHEN RANDY FOSTER REMOVED IT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER BOARD PUT IN PLACE SO THAT THIS COMMUNITY CAN DISCUSS THE BUDGET. AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT THAT I HAVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, CAN YOU. YES, I'LL TRY TO COVER A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS. YES, MA'AM. UNFUNDED PERSONNEL WILL FIND OUT WHICH SIDE SPECIFICALLY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT TYPICALLY IT JUST MEANS POSITIONS THE DEPARTMENTS ASK FOR. BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FUND THEM IN THE BUDGET. THE ADVERTISING FOR FLORIDA TODAY, I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO OR ANGELICA IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT ONE. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT. DEBT SERVICES IS VERY LONG LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEBT FUNDED ITEMS THAT WE PAY. IT CAN BE OUT OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FUNDS BEYOND JUST GENERAL FUNDS. SO IF YOU'D LIKE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN GIVE YOU THOSE DETAILS. IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE SPREADSHEET. WE TRACK ALL THAT. SAME FOR SPECIAL REVENUE AND HOUSING GRANTS. IF YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, I CAN BRING ANGELICA UP, BUT THOSE ARE JUST CATEGORIES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL IN LATER. THE 5% PAY INCREASE IS ACTUALLY REFLECTIVE OF TRYING TO KEEP THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES IN PACE WITH THE CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, WHICH DOES INCLUDE DISPATCH BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE CONTRACT. SO THE WHITE AND BLUE CONTRACTS THE POLICE AND FIRE THE GENERAL FUND. 5% KEEPS THEM KIND OF IN A SIMILAR PACE WITH THEM. THE IT BUDGET, BEING LARGE, INCLUDES A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT WE'RE UPDATING OUR ERP SYSTEM AS AS COUNCIL KNOWS ALSO INCLUDES INVESTMENTS IN STAFF AND A LOT OF RESOURCES TO IMPROVE OUR CYBERSECURITY POSITION. IT HAS MOVED OBVIOUSLY, IN RECENT YEARS AWAY FROM A DEPARTMENT THAT IS SIMPLY JUST ABOUT YOUR COMPUTERS, YOUR LAPTOPS, AND IT'S MUCH MORE ABOUT CYBERSECURITY AND ALL OF THE SYSTEMS AND PROCESSES WE HAVE IN PLACE IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE NEEDS WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE ACCESS POINTS SECURE. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS. BUT IF YOU DESIRE OTHER INFORMATION, I CAN CERTAINLY SEE IF ANGELICA HAS ANYTHING SHE WANTS TO SHARE. IF YOU NEED. MISS COLLINS. WHAT REMAINS IS THE FLORIDA TODAY. I'M NOT SURE IF THE ADVERTISEMENT COMPONENT TO IT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD FALL UNDER YOU OR MISS LOEFFLER. I THINK WE FOLLOW WHAT OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE DOES. SO THAT'S WHY WE. SO SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ADD. YEAH. SO, MISS LOEFFLER, I THINK THE PART OF THE THE QUESTION IS EXPANDING THAT FOR ADDITIONAL MULTI-LANGUAGE INFORMATION. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT. I KNOW THAT IT'S ADVERTISED THROUGH FLORIDA STATUTE BY FLORIDA STATUTE. SO. BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO ANYTHING COUNSEL WOULD WISH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND YES, MA'AM. THE OTHER ONE WAS THE HOUSING GRANTS I DON'T KNOW. YES, MA'AM. SO HOUSING GRANTS OF THE $2.6 MILLION. SO THAT IS OUR HOUSING DIVISION THAT FALLS UNDER OUR COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. AND THAT IS THE ALL OF THEIR FUNDS COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER. SO YOU HAVE CDBG SHIP HOME. SO ALL OF THOSE ARE THE HUD GRANTS, THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THEY GO AHEAD AND ADD THEIR ANTICIPATED INCOMING GRANTS FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THEIR PLANNED EXPENSES ARE BASED ON THE HUD REQUIRED GUIDELINES. SO THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY FALL UNDER COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. [01:00:03] SO IT'S NOT JUST HOUSING GRANTS, BUT IT'S A MULTITUDE OF UNDER THAT FALLS UNDER OUR HOUSING DIVISION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK REGARDING THE VILLAGE, THE BUDGET OR THE MILLAGE RATE? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. STEP FORWARD, MASTER CHIEF. STATE YOUR NAME. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. EXCUSE ME, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE LOCAL GAS TAX FUND? I NOTICE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING USING LIKE 1.2 MILLION OF IT, BUT YOU SAID FOR A FUTURE COST. BUT I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT THAT FUTURE DESIGNATED SOURCE THAT YOU WANT TO DESIGNATE IT TO, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE. THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE. QUESTION NUMBER TWO UNDER CHIP FUNDS. WHAT. WHAT DOESN'T. AND I WAS UNDER THE PRESENTATION WHAT WASN'T SPENT. WAS THERE A WAY TO INVEST THAT WHERE YOU COULD EARN AN INTEREST RATE ON THAT CHIP FUND. SO WOULD IT BE TO HELP BENEFIT THE PROJECT? THE FUNDS WERE DESIGNATED FOR. RIGHT. AND SO THAT LED TO SAY, YEAH. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT GUARANTEED RETURN BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE IT AND LOSE IT, BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE IT EARN A GUARANTEED INTEREST. WHAT WAS THAT GUARANTEE GOING TO BE? RIGHT. AND THAT LEADS UP TO THE THIRD QUESTION ON THE PRESENTATION. I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 11 UNDER IMPACT FUNDS. THE FIRST YEAR YOU HAD 1.4 MILLION. THIS NEXT YEAR YOU HAD 3.8 MILLION. AND THEN FOR THREE YEARS YOU HAD 0000. BUT THEN ON THE NEXT YEAR YOU HAD $150 MILLION. SO I'M JUST SAYING IF THAT'S WHEN IT WAS WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION OF OF STAFF, THEY KIND OF EXPLAINED IT TO ME, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING A GUARANTEED INTEREST ON THAT. SO INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL WE GET TO THE LAST YEAR AND THEN TAKE OUT THAT TOTAL AMOUNT, HAVE THAT GUARANTEED INTEREST, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S CD AT 10% OR WHATEVER, BUT A GUARANTEED INTEREST, BECAUSE THAT'S A LONG TERM YOU CAN GET LONG TERM. I'M JUST TRYING TO GUARANTEE IF WE'RE GOING TO GUARANTEE IT, DON'T LOSE MONEY, RIGHT. AND THEN WATCHING THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE GROWTH, JUST LIKE THE COUNCILMAN FELIX SAID. HOW DO WE HAVE THE GUARANTEE SOURCE FOR THIS? WHAT'S GOING TO BE OUR LONG TERM? I SEE ONE VERY GOOD WAY, AND THAT GUARANTEE WAY IS LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SLOW THE GROWTH, STOP THE GROWTH. WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AT THE BUDGET WHERE WE'RE AT, WE CAN MAINTAIN BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THE BUDGETS COMING IN. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CORRECT OUR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE WON'T HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE INCREASING IN OUR STAFFING BECAUSE OUR STAFFING PERSONNEL WAS THE BIGGEST EXPENSE WE HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL UP MISS COLLINS OR YOU'LL HANDLE THE THREE QUESTIONS? OH, I'LL LET HER START IT OUT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHICH? LET'S GO. IN ORDER. WHICH? WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE YOU WANT TO. LOCAL OPTION. GAS TAX. SO LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX. YES. SO AS I DID MENTION THIS, IS THAT IT'S REALLY GEARED TOWARDS ROAD MAINTENANCE. SO WE HAVE OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS SUBSIDIZING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE IT, INCREASE IT TO THE 4 MILLION. BUT AS WE'RE SORT OF GOING THROUGH OUR ERP SYSTEM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS OF RECORDING THINGS BETTER FROM AN ACCOUNTING PURPOSES AND LOCAL OPTION, GAS TAX, SHARED REVENUE IS REALLY SHOULD BE UTILIZED FOR THAT TYPE OF SERVICE. AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ALL IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN UTILIZING IT STILL FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE TYPE OF WORK. WE ARE SIMPLY MOVING IT INTO ITS OWN FUND. SO THAT WAY WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THOSE EXPENDITURES A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR REPORTING PURPOSES. THANK YOU. SHIP INTEREST? I THINK GENERALLY THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS REGARDING INTEREST, LIKE SHIP AND IMPACT FEES AND GETTING INTEREST ON THOSE FUNDS. AND I MEAN, I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT THE FINANCE TEAM INVESTS ALL OF OUR AVAILABLE CASH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S I THINK YOU ACTUALLY MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING THAT GOES INTO THAT. YEAH. SO SO WE DO INVEST ALL OF OUR CASH. SO WE DO HAVE A FINANCIAL POLICY THAT TELLS US CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN INVEST IN. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO WITH THE FUTURE MASTER CAPITAL PLAN IS, IS THAT AS DEPARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY OPENING PROJECTS AND BUDGETING FOR THOSE PROJECTS, AND THEY ARE LARGE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WIDENING OF LIKE MALABAR ROAD AND MINTON WHERE WE BUDGET THOSE FUNDS. BUT FROM A FINANCE STANDPOINT, WE LOOK AT THEM IN SECTIONS. RIGHT. WHERE LET'S SAY WE TAKE 100 MILLION. SO PART OF THAT IMPACT FEE, THE LARGE 150 MILLION THAT IS PART OF THAT IS ONE OF THE WIDENINGS OF MALABAR ROAD, WHERE [01:05:04] WE LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, IT TAKES YOU FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT YOU NEED OUT OF THAT 100 MILLION, 20 MILLION THE FIRST YEAR, BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE 80 MILLION ARE LONG TERM. SO WE'RE ABLE TO INVEST THE CASH, THE 80 MILLION AT A LONGER INVESTMENT TIME, THEREFORE GENERATING MORE INTEREST BASED ON IF WE WERE JUST TO INVEST THE 100 MILLION AT ONE YEAR. AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT MY VISION OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO WITH THE POSITION THAT I SORT OF HAVE IS NOT JUST GIVING YOU DATA AND BUILDING A PLAN, BUT ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND DETERMINING WHEN DO YOU NEED THE CASH. AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN WORK WITH OUR OTHER FINANCE DIRECTOR IN INVESTING THOSE IN TREASURY TYPES OF BONDS OR NOTES WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE INTEREST, THEREFORE BEING ABLE TO PUT MORE IN BACK INTO THOSE TYPES OF ROAD PROJECTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE IMPACT FEE ONE. I THINK IT'LL WORK THE SAME. AND THAT WAS PART OF THE 150 MILLION. SO I DID LOOK AT THE PLAN. AND 130 MILLION IS TWO PROJECTS. AND ONE OF THEM IS THE WIDENING OF MALABAR. I HAVE SPECIFICS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE ONE OF WIDENING MINTON. SO IT'S BETWEEN SAINT JOHN HERITAGE PARKWAY AND 130 MILLION OF THAT. 150 ARE THOSE TWO PROJECTS. AND USUALLY WITH IMPACT FEES, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THE CASH ON HAND BEFORE YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY INVEST IN THAT. WE CAN STILL OPEN A PROJECT AND ALLOCATE AVAILABLE DOLLARS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE FUND TO START THE PROJECT. BUT TRULY, THE ENTIRE PROJECT, YOU CANNOT COMMIT THAT CASH UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IT. AND THAT'S HOW THE IMPACT FEES WORK. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU GENERALLY YOU'LL SEE IN THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, A SORT OF A BACKING OFF ON SPENDING THE DOLLARS SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD UP THAT BALANCE IN ORDER TO INVEST THAT IN THE FUTURE PROJECTS DOWN THE LINE. WELL THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ADD THE LNG, THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX. WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT SPACE COAST TPO IS THE SHARED ROADS OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES HAVING THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. AND HOW HOW WHAT KIND OF FORMULA IS GOING TO ENSUE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT FOR YOU, MASTER CHIEF. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? RAISE YOUR HAND. ON THE BUDGET OR THE MILITARY, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. EILEEN SAPP, 1234 RAIL ROAD, NORTHEAST ON THE MILLAGE RATE. I THANK YOU. IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE YOUR BUDGET AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO SPEND AND WANT TO SPEND. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS. I LIVE ON SOCIAL SECURITY, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR FPL TO RAISE THEIR RATES 40%, WHETHER THEY DO THAT OR NOT. BUT COME JANUARY 2025, THAT'S MORE MONEY. THE STATE INSURANCE FOR VEHICLES IN PALM BAY WAS ALLOWED TO DOUBLE IN THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF OUR INCREASE IN POPULATION. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M COMING UP WITH THIS MONEY, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, OUR POCKETS ARE NOT BOTTOMLESS, OKAY? A LOT OF US ARE STRUGGLING. BUT WHEN I RUN INTO COMPANIES WHERE THEY, THEY WERE DOING WHATEVER THE ACCOUNTANTS TOLD THEM TO DO, THEY WEREN'T LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS, LIKE MAYBE GETTING SPONSORS FOR SOME OF THESE FIREHOUSES, MAYBE GETTING SPONSORS FOR PARKS. PEOPLE LOVE HAVING THEIR NAMES. LOOK AT WHAT THE NFL AND NBA HAVE DONE. YOU KNOW, SHEA STADIUM IS NO LONGER SHEA STADIUM. IT'S CITI, CITI FIELD OR WHATEVER. WE HAVE A LAND DEVELOPMENT USE THAT MET LAST WEEK. WAS IT LAST WEEK? THEY THEY WANT $4 MILLION TO PROMOTE AND ADD TO PEOPLE. BUT DID ANYBODY LOOK AT WHAT THE PRODUCTIVITY IS FOR THE SEVEN PEOPLE THEY ALREADY HAVE? HOW MUCH ARE THEY BRINGING IN? WHY DO THEY NEED TWO MORE PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN'T GET IT DONE, IF THEY'RE OVERBURDENED AND THERE'S TOO MUCH WORK? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY QUESTIONING IT. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO MAKE UP THE SHORTFALLS. ANOTHER THING IS, I UNDERSTAND YOU INVEST PART OF THE MONEY THAT COMES IN. BUT ONE THING THAT I DID WHEN I WENT TO THE PGA WAS I MADE A DEAL WITH THE BANK. EVERY PENNY WENT INTO A SAVINGS ACCOUNT, AND EVEN IF IT ONLY COLLECTS 1 OR 2%, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE TAKING IN IS SUBSTANTIAL. [01:10:08] AND IT ONLY GOT MOVED WHEN YOU PAID YOUR BILLS. I CUT THE CHECKS AND I DID THE TRANSFER, BUT YOU COULD BE COLLECTING A LOT MORE MONEY BY PUTTING EVERY SINGLE PENNY INTO AN INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT. I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, THE PGA IS NOT A WHOLE CITY, BUT WHEN MONEY COMES IN, IT SHOULD BE GOING SOMEPLACE THAT'S MAKING MONEY. IT CAN'T KEEP COMING OUT OF OUR POCKETS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT. AND PEOPLE ARE BEING PRICED OUT OF THEIR HOMES. AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE GIVING UP ON THIS INCREASE IN MILLAGE. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE HERE. WE'VE HAD DIMINISHED SERVICES OVER THE LAST YEAR. THEY FINALLY CLEANED OUT THE CANAL NEAR MY HOUSE. I GUESS IN THE LAST DAY OR SO IT WAS A FOREST. FLOODING IS STILL HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. THE QUALITY OF WATER IS REALLY NOT IMPROVED. AND WHATEVER THE PLANS ARE, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PLANS. OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS TURN INTO A AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. THERE'S A. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GREAT ABOUT PALM BAY IS IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE WARS AND PLACES THAT GET ATTACKED, IT'S ALWAYS A BIG BUILDING. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING FOR. WE'RE SAFE BECAUSE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WHEN WE START PUTTING IN BIG BUILDINGS, WE'RE PUTTING OUR SAFETY AT RISK. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK ARE JUST BEING OVERLOOKED. AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE EFFECT OF ANOTHER INCREASE IN TAXES. MY TAXES QUADRUPLED LAST YEAR BECAUSE MY FATHER DIED AND THE HOUSE WAS TRANSFERRED TO ME, EVEN THOUGH I PAID ALL THE BILLS FOR 33 YEARS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT I TAKE IN EVERY YEAR. WE CAN'T BE PRICING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES, AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO PLEASE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THIS INCREASE IN MILLAGE. TRY TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE. I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU FIGURE IT OUT. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT GIVING RAISES TO EVERYBODY, THE REST OF US AREN'T GETTING RAISES. WE'RE NOT GETTING 5%. AND JUST BECAUSE POLICE AND FIRE ARE GETTING IT, I DON'T. I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD. WHEN I'VE BEEN FACED WITH FIRING PEOPLE OR OR CUTTING THINGS, I WENT TO THEM AND I SAID, LOOK, THIS IS MY CHOICE. I DON'T WANT TO LET YOU GO. WILL YOU TAKE A PAY CUT? AND THEY DID IT GLADLY. I SAID, IT'S ONLY TILL WE CATCH UP. AND IT WORKED. SO TRY THINKING THROUGH RATHER THAN JUST PUTTING UP NUMBERS AND KEEPING THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY FIRST THING I WANT. I THINK THE QUESTION RELIES WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL ALREADY SAID THAT WE WOULD SET THE MILLAGE RATE AT 6.7 AT THE 3% CAP, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN LAST YEAR. BUT I WANTED TO JUST SPEAK TO. OR PERHAPS IT WOULD BE YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY. SHE SHE MENTIONED THE SUGGESTION OF HAVING DIFFERENT PARKS SPONSORED BY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. SHE USED CITI FIELD AS AN EXAMPLE. AND OR SHE ALSO SAID SHE MENTIONED HAVING A COMPANY SPONSOR A FIRE STATION. SO USING THOSE EXAMPLES IS THERE SOMETHING LEGALLY THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO. AS FAR AS SPONSORSHIPS. TYPICALLY THE CITY CAN ACCEPT DONATIONS FROM OTHERS. SOMEONE SPONSORING FIRE CERTAINLY DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT PATIENT RECORDS OR SAY HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE RUN. WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO LOOK AT ANY TYPE OF STIPULATIONS THEY WANTED TO MAKE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING INHERENTLY ILLEGAL ABOUT THE IDEA. GENERALLY, NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. COME ON UP. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK AFTER HER? REGARDING THE BUDGET AND THE MILLAGE. GOOD EVENING. I'M JUDY TRANDAHL, 751 PEBBLE BEACH AVENUE. I AM I TOTALLY OBJECT ABOUT THE 5% INCREASE. I ACTUALLY DOWNLOADED THE GOVERNMENT SALARIES, AND TWO OF OUR [01:15:01] EMPLOYEES, MISS SHERMAN AND MISS SMITH, ARE THE HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEES IN THE IN THE CITY. THEIR SALARIES ARE IN THE 10% HIGHEST SALARIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, 10% HIGHEST YET. WHY ARE WE RUNNING SO INEFFICIENTLY? I DON'T GET IT. I KNOW I WAS A CONTROLLER FOR AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP. WE LOST OUR NEW CAR FRANCHISE, THE SATURN FRANCHISE. THE FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO WAS LOOK AT OUR BUDGET. THE WAY TO SAVE OUR DEALERSHIP. AND IT'S STILL RUNNING TODAY UNDER TWO OTHER FRANCHISES. WE ASKED THE EMPLOYEES TO TAKE A 10% DECREASE IN THEIR SALARIES, AND WE WITHHELD THE EMPLOYER PORTION OF THE 401 K IF THEY COULDN'T DO IT. WE UNDERSTOOD WE GAVE THEM UNEMPLOYMENT, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERYONE STAYED. WE WERE THERE FOR THE COMPANY. WE WERE LOYAL TO THE COMPANY. WE DID NOT EXPECT ANYTHING. WE DID NOT RAISE PRICES ON CARS. WE HAD TO GO TO USED CAR SALES. WE MANAGED WITHIN OUR OWN COMPANY TO STAY AFLOAT. I'M SO OFFENDED BY THAT 5%. DO YOU KNOW WE HAVE 81 EMPLOYEES THAT MAKE BETWEEN 100 100,000 AND 271,000 A YEAR. 271,000. AND THAT WAS IN 23. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO. I WAS AMAZED AT THE SALARIES. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO COME TO THE CITY. I DIDN'T MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY AND I WAS A CONTROLLER. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. THE CITY NEEDS TO SACRIFICE, NOT THE CITIZENS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO. YOU ALREADY SPOKEN, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. OH, YES. YES, MA'AM. ON. ON EACH ITEM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT. MA'AM. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT ITEM. I WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT YOU'RE SAYING I CAN'T, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE. MA'AM. POINT OF ORDER. POINT OF ORDER. GO AHEAD. MA'AM. SUSAN CONNOLLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY. THE BUDGET IS REALLY COMPLEX. I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR YEARS, AND THINGS DO DISTURB ME BECAUSE I HEAR REPETITIONS OF UNFUNDED REQUESTS, AND I HEAR FROM THE STAFF ABOUT THE 3% CAP RESTRICTING US AT A TIME WHEN WE SHOULD REALLY BE GROWING AND AND FLOURISHING. I THINK YOUR QUESTION COUNCILMAN FELIX ABOUT THE FUTURE OF PENSION PLANS AND THINGS THAT WE MAKE A COMMITMENT TO IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION, AND IT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED VERY CLEARLY RIGHT NOW AND NOT AND I FRANKLY DIDN'T GET THAT CLARITY OR ASSURANCE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY OUR CURRENT YEAR'S EXPENSES BEFORE WE START THINKING TO THE FUTURE. I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION HERE TONIGHT. IT'S NOT MANY CITIZENS, BUT THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE COME FORTH HAVE REALLY HAD SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND HAVE OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT THE BUDGET ON THEIR OWN AND STUDIED IT AND HAVE COME FORTH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNCIL THINK OF A WAY THAT CITIZENS. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BOARD REESTABLISH THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE THAT BE AN OVERSIGHT BOARD WHERE CITIZENS, INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL REALLY IT'S TOO LATE TO MAKE A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THIS BUDGET. BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN START LOOKING BASED ON THESE SUGGESTIONS TO NEXT YEAR, TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE IDEAS OR TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY NOT IN IN UPSET. YOU KNOW, AT A TIME LIKE THIS TO FIGURE OUT THESE PROBLEMS AND TO PLAN. AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD TO HAVE DIALOG ON MATTERS OF FINANCIAL FINANCIAL INTEREST. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. [01:20:03] AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL ACCEPT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. HE WASN'T ON THE DAIS, BUT I DIDN'T I DIDN'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD. I WANTED IT TO MAYBE EVEN EXPAND IT. SO IS THERE AN APPETITE TO. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME FOR THIS TODAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IN THE FUTURE. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS BUDGET ITEM OR THE MILLAGE? SHOULD WE HAVE MISS MRS SHERMAN. OR MISS ANGELICA. ADDRESS. MISS CONNOLLY MADE A COUPLE OF POINTS AS FAR AS UNFUNDED AND UNFUNDED ITEM. I THINK MAYBE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE ITEM THAT YOU MENTIONED UNFUNDED SO THAT SHE'S ALERTED BY THAT. CAN YOU CLARIFY AS TO IN WHAT CONTEXT SHE WASN'T CLEAR IN THE FUTURE IS WHAT SHE SHE SAID? YEAH. SO I DO HAVE A LIST OF WHAT THE UNFUNDED ITEMS WERE. SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DURING THE JULY WORKSHOP, SO I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO HER IF THAT'S WHAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR. AS FAR AS UNFUNDED ITEMS IN THE FUTURE YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THERE STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WITH BUILDING THINGS INTO THE BUDGET ALREADY USING FUND BALANCE? SO THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT STRATEGY. BUT AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT FUND BALANCE LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDING IS AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. SO THE THE STRATEGY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME AS IF YOU WERE CITY MANAGER COMES TO YOU IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, AND WE SIMPLY DISCLOSE SAVINGS AND IN THE TRANSPARENCY IN THAT METHOD AND UTILIZE CASH ON HAND ALREADY TO FUND THOSE. SO WHETHER WE BUILD THEM IN THE BUDGET OR WE COME TO YOU TO COUNCIL IN A LIST THE END RESULT IS THE SAME. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT STRATEGY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. BUT AS FAR AS THE TOTALITY OF THE FUNDING THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A REVENUE QUESTION. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE REVENUE WOULD COME FROM AND HOW WE ADDRESS THAT FUNDING IN THE FUTURE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, IF I MAY ALSO, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT POTENTIALLY COUNCIL LOOKING TO ADD THE 2% PROPOSED, UP TO 2% PROPOSED DISCUSSION THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, KILLED ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO. SO THIS IS NO LONGER A CONVERSATION. BUT AS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE BROUGHT THAT UP, CAN YOU, CAN YOU YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO TWO MILLAGE. MILLAGE. YEAH. OKAY. THE DEDICATED MILLAGE. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT. AND I THINK WE EVEN RECEIVED AN EMAIL IN THAT REGARD. CAN YOU TALK PUT GET SOME CLARITY OUT THERE, PLEASE. YEAH. SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION EARLIER, PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING WHERE COUNCIL WAS CONSIDERING MOVING FORWARD AS A REFERENDUM ITEM TO THE VOTERS, A DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE THAT WOULD BE USED ONLY FOR POLICE AND FIRE NEEDS. THAT WAS NOT MOVED FORWARD. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE. MAY I ADD TO THE CONVERSATION. BUT JUST TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, I WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS AND HIGHLIGHT ON THE PENSION DISCUSSION AS WELL. SO I THINK MISS CONNOLLY USED THE WORD OBLIGATIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT US MEETING OUR OBLIGATIONS. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY AS AS ANGELICA HAS PRESENTED, SO THE BUDGET AS IT STANDS NOW AND CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR BUDGETS HAS US MEETING OUR OBLIGATIONS, WHICH THE WAY WE DEFINE THAT IS THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY CONTINUE PAYING WHATEVER'S COMMITTED TO CONTRACTUALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, INCLUDING PENSION OBLIGATIONS, WHICH ARE A CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENT. SO ALL OF THOSE FUNDS ARE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFICULTY AT THIS PRESENT TIME. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO TO COMMENT ON IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S UNFUNDED, IT'S ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO DO, AND CAPITAL IS A BIG PART OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DO THE STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, WHERE WE WAIT AND SEE WHAT'S UNSPENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND USE THOSE SAVINGS DOLLARS THAT FALL BACK INTO UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE. AND WE WE ALLOCATE THEM TO A LIST OF THINGS THAT COUNCIL REVIEWS SO WE CAN START TO MEET MORE OF THOSE VEHICLE NEEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT OVER TIME, WHAT ANGELICA MENTIONED EARLIER, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO IT. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE TRENDS ON THINGS THAT RELATE TO THE GROWTH PATTERN OF THE CITY IS IN. WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS BEYOND AD VALOREM REVENUES, RIGHT? LIKE FRANCHISE FEE REVENUES, STATE SHARED REVENUES THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE OVER TIME. AND SO BASED ON THAT, WE ARE EXPANDING OUR OUR PERSONNEL. [01:25:01] RIGHT. WE'RE ADDING MORE FIRE. WE'RE ADDING MORE POLICE. WE'RE DOING THAT TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT HISTORICALLY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO REEMPHASIZE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT WITH THE 3% CAP, BECAUSE OF HOW IT CALCULATES, THERE WILL BE A TIME IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BUT IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE A TIME WHEN WE WILL BE FACED WITH POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO INVEST HEAVILY IN CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS, OR WE INCREASE OUR INVESTMENTS IN OTHERS AT THE AT THE LOSS TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DECISIONS WILL BE AT THAT TIME, BUT THOSE WILL BE DECISIONS WILL BE FACED WITH IF THE 3% CAP REMAINS IN PLACE AND CONTINUES TO CHANGE OUR OUR FUNDING STRUCTURE OVER TIME. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? SHOW BY SHOW OF HANDS. WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. ARE WE STILL IN AGREEMENT WITH THE 6.7? 3339? MOVING FORWARD, OR ARE WE GOING TO SET IT AT THE 7.01 WITH THE INTENTION OF OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING? WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXCEED THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD EXCEED THE CAP AT THAT POINT. SO I WANTED TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE THE MILLAGE RATE. I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THE 6.7339. YOU KNOW, JUST LOOK, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE HARDSHIPS THAT ESPECIALLY SENIOR CITIZENS ARE FACING IN A LOT OF OUR OUR CITIZENS ARE JUST STRUGGLING JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET. SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE MILLAGE RATE FROM THAT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF THE 6.5627 RATE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ROLLBACK. OKAY, DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING UP THE CAP. STICKING TO THE CAP. 6.73. OKAY. I'M I'M I'M GOOD WITH THE 6.73. THE QUESTION IS, IF WE SET IT AT 6.73 AND SOMETHING HAPPENS BEFORE THEN WE'RE COMMITTED TO TO THAT 6.73 AT THAT POINT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CURRENT HURRICANE RIGHT NOW IN THE GULF GOING THROUGH LOUISIANA. SO ARE WE GOOD WITH SETTING IT AT THE 7339 RIGHT NOW. OR ARE YOU LOOKING TO DO THE AT LEAST MAINTAIN IT AT THE 7.1 JUST IN CASE DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN. MAYOR, I'M I'M I WOULD BE OKAY WITH 6.7339. I THINK KEEPING IT AT THE CAP, CONSIDERING ALL FUND GENERAL FUND STABILIZATION FUND IS QUITE, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY. IT'S AT A POINT WHERE WE WE SHOULD BE. OKAY. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH KEEPING IT AT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR. HOLD ON. I'M. I'M SORRY, I JUST I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE TIME FOR SETTING THAT HIGHER THAN THAN WE MIGHT APPROVE MILLAGE RATE WAS WHAT WE DID PREVIOUSLY. SO WE'RE IN THE THE FIRST OF TWO. SO YOU'RE REALLY AT THE POINT WHERE YOU WANT TO THE MILLAGE RATE TONIGHT IS THE MILLAGE RATE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. CARRY ON. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH I AGREE WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE OUR FUND BALANCE IS HEALTHY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IF IT HAPPENS, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE HAVE A HEALTHY ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND BALANCE. OKAY. AND AND ANY FUNDS THAT MIGHT BE EXPENDED IN CASE WE GET HIT WITH A HURRICANE OR OF COURSE, EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, REBATED BY FEMA. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASING IT. OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SETTING IT AT 6.7339. CORRECT? CORRECT. WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF LAST YEAR. CORRECT? YES, SIR. LAST YEAR. WHAT WAS IT, MA'AM? 7.559. YES. 7.59957.5995. THAT WAS LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SETTING IT LOWER AT 6.7339. DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I'LL SAVE IT FOR THE NEXT ITEM. OKAY. SO I'LL NEED A MOTION, GENTLEMEN. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NEED A MOTION. OH, WE DON'T NEED ONE. NO. OKAY, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE ITEM WHERE YOU WILL CONSIDER THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE. OKAY. ANYONE. MAYOR. MAYOR, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION ON THAT. YOU WOULD? YES. OKAY, SO LET ME GET A MOTION ON. ON WHICH ONE? THE ONE WE. PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. GENTLEMEN, IT'S 6.7339. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MILLAGE RATE OF 6.5627 FOR FISCAL YEAR. [01:30:03] OKAY. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. THANK YOU. SIR. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. WE DON'T NEED THE MOTION, I APOLOGIZE. YES. OKAY. OKAY. I'M. I'M TAKING YOUR DIRECTION, MA'AM. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOW ON BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE. [BUSINESS:] ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? RAISE YOUR HAND. STEP FORWARD ON THE MILLAGE RATE. NO ONE. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MILLAGE RATE OF 6.5627 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A MOTION FOR 6.5627527 OR 2 SEVEN. I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. THANK YOU. MAYOR. BETWEEN THE INCREASES IN THE PENSION OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR SO MANY POSITIONS, I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT MORE OPTIONS, LIKE MRS SAID. BUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS, I THINK, IS ONE WE CAN TAKE IS OUTSOURCING CERTAIN AREAS. WE'RE CURRENTLY IT'S BEEN POSTED FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS. UTILITIES COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR. WE HAVE CHRISTINA BORN AND HER TEAM WHO DO ALL THE OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO I SEE A LOT OF POSITIONS THAT AREN'T REALLY NECESSARY. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE INCREASES EVERYWHERE, IT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE COMING FROM. IT COMES OFF AS A SLAP IN THE FACE. BUT I REALLY WANT US TO JUST LOOK AT BEFORE WE TRY TO GET OTHERS TO INCREASE, WE TRY TO SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY I KNOW WE HAVE OUR HIGH PRIORITIES, BUT AT OUR JOB AS THE COUNCIL IS TO SET THE BUDGET AND FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH WHAT WE ALLOCATE. THAT WAY IT'S NOT COMING BACK ON YOU, MAYOR. IT'S NOT COMING BACK ON ME. ON. OKAY. WHY DID YOU DO THIS? WHY DID YOU DO THAT? I KNOW EVENTUALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT ZERO BASED BUDGETING, AND I WILL SPEAK. SIR, I WAS ONE OF THE MAIN ONES VOTING AGAINST THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD. BUT I WILL ENTERTAIN IT ONLY IF THERE WERE PARAMETERS SET, SUCH AS FINANCIAL EDUCATION OR FINANCE, LIKE YOU HAD A FINANCIAL BACKGROUND, SO WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY JUST GOING INTO IT, BUT YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND WHAT NOT TO LOOK FOR. SO IF IT WAS A MEASURE SET LIKE THAT, THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THE BOARD. BUT I REMEMBER WITH THE EXECUTIVE HEARING WE HAD WHEN IT CAME TO THE CONTRACTS, IT WAS SOME HESITANCY THERE TOO, WITH HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE FUTURE OF THE BUDGETS FOR THE PENSION. AND I JUST DON'T SEE IT BEING SUSTAINABLE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE'RE DEFINITELY HEADING TOWARDS THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. SO STAY STAY TUNED IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, BUT THINGS ARE GOING TO GET A LITTLE ROCKY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. AND DOING SO WE NEED TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE, BUT THAT STARTS WITH US FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. SO LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, I SAW PLENTY OF THINGS, PLENTY OF ITEMS THAT WERE MORE WANTS THAN NEEDS. AND WITH THAT, I FEEL WE CAN STILL PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WE CAN OUTSOURCE THINGS SUCH AS FACILITIES, SOME AIR AREAS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ARE MORE WANTS AND INSTEAD OF NEEDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CHARTER. SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP. MAYOR, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ENTERTAINING ME, BUT YEAH. THIS. YEAH. MISS SPAN MA'AM, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, BUT Y'ALL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME POINTS BECAUSE WE'RE. I'M STILL GETTING EMAILS, JUST LIKE I DID YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S THE SAME. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, SIR. WELL, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO PULL YOU BACK TO THE TIME THAT WE WE DISSOLVED THAT BUDGET BOARD. AND I SPECIFICALLY SAID LET'S REVAMP IT AT THAT TIME. LET'S NOT THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER. I SPECIFICALLY STATED, LET'S GET PROFESSIONALS THAT HAVE THAT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE AND I ALSO WANTED TO EVEN EXPAND IT. SO I'M GLAD I'M HEARING THAT. DEPUTY MAYOR. YOU MADE A. YOU SECONDED THE MOTION, SIR. MAYOR. I DID. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT MY COLLEAGUE HAD TO SAY AND TO. TO SOME DEGREE, I AGREE, AND I VALUE HIS HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS IDEAS AND THOUGHTS. AND I WAS VERY CURIOUS AS TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY AND TO TO HIS POINT. HE MADE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WHEN QUESTIONING SOME OF THE POSITIONS OF FILLED ON, FILLED AND AND SO ON AND [01:35:07] SO FORTH, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE HANDLING, NOT COME TO THE BUDGET. THESE THINGS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH, WITH STAFF AND MAKE IT CLEAR, MAKE ALL EXPECTATION CLEAR AS TO HEY, ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS. BUT TO DO IT NOW I DON'T THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THERE'S A SMALL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FROM 67.66.7339 VERSUS 6.505. AND I KNOW IT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT WHAT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO DO IS AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHEN WE HAVE A BUDGET IN PLACE, ALL THE WORK IS ALREADY PUT IN. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TIME TO DO IT. BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOES IS NEXT YEAR BECOME MORE OF A CHALLENGE. AS WE GO FURTHER, IT'S BECOME MORE OF A CHALLENGE. WE PRESSING IT. WE'RE PUSHING IT SO LOW TO WHERE WE WE FACING. WE'RE GOING A LOT CLOSER TO THAT CHALLENGE THAT WE POTENTIALLY THAT COULD, WE COULD BE FACING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AGAIN, I'LL. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. I'M OKAY WITH STAYING AT THE CAP. THE CAP IS THERE FOR A REASON. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH STAYING THERE. 6.7339. I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE RIGHT NOW. THEN WE CAN REEVALUATE THAT NEXT YEAR. AND CERTAINLY THINGS NEED TO ADDRESS. AND YOU GOT SOME VALID POINT. COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON. WE NEED TO QUESTION THEM AND GET THEM TAKEN CARE OF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE RIGHT APPROPRIATE TO DO IT NOW. AND AS AS IT COMES TO THE TO THE TO THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, WE HAVE TO ALSO REMIND OURSELVES AND WHAT THAT TURNED OUT TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD MEMBERS THAT USE IT FOR POLITICAL PLATFORM WHICH WAS COMPLETELY NOT APPROPRIATE. PART OF IT WAS THAT AND IT WASN'T BEING EFFECTIVE. IT WASN'T BEING EFFICIENT. IF WE HAVE A BOARD THAT'S NOT SERVING TO THE PURPOSE, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. WHY HAVE IT? SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IN FAVOR OF A BOARD THAT OR ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, COMPETENT, NOT SAYING THAT THEY WEREN'T, BUT THAT USING IT FOR THE RIGHT PURPOSE OR EXPERT IN MATTER AND WORKING DIRECTLY WITH OUR DIRECTOR WITH OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS. AND BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE, THEY WERE COHERENCE IN TERMS OF THE WORK THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, AND IT WASN'T BEING USEFUL. SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF OF BRINGING IT BACK. BUT TRULY SET UP THESE PARAMETERS. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I THINK I'M MORE ALIGNED TODAY WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN IT COMES TO WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS THE ROLLBACK RATE WAS ALWAYS THERE AND WE COLLECTIVELY, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT DOING THE ROLLBACK RATE. AND SO THE INFORMATION WE GAVE OUR STAFF WAS WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXCEED THE CAP, AND WE'RE GOING TO SET IT AT THE 6.7339. SO I'M IN AGREEMENT. ALTHOUGH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I WAS LOOKING AT THE ROLLBACK RATE BEFORE, BUT IT IS KIND OF FAR, YOU KNOW, IN THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK, AND I DON'T THINK IT IS. I YEAH, I'LL DISAGREE WITH YOU. YOU GOT THE MOTION. YES, SIR. AND YOU GOT A SECOND. I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. RIGHT. YES, SIR. THIS IS WHERE I'M AT, AND I THINK A LOT HAS BEEN. A LOT IS IN PLAY TODAY. SO MAYBE WE LOOK AT IT DOWN RANGE IN THE FUTURE. BUT YOU GOT TO ALSO KEEP IN. WHAT I HEARD MISS COLLINS SAY IS AS YOU AS YOU HIT THE CAP IT'S. YOU'RE GOING TO FACE THE ROLLBACK RATE. AND AND SO WE HAVE TO START PLANNING ON THAT RIGHT. AT THIS POINT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT YOUR MOTION TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE AT 6.5627. COUNCILMAN OR COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. YEAH. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. LOOK, I'M, I'M EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO TO OUR CITIZENS AND OUR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIVING ON FIXED INCOMES. MY WIFE AND I LIVE ON FIXED INCOME, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 6.7339 AND THE 6.5 IS MINIMAL. WE'RE ALREADY REDUCING THE THE MILLAGE RATE BY 0.856, ALMOST AN ENTIRE MILL. SO, YOU KNOW THAT'S A QUITE A GOOD DECREASE IN THE MILLAGE RATE. AND AS FAR AS THE BUDGET GOES, LOOK, OVER HALF OF OUR BUDGET GOES TO TO FIRST RESPONDERS. [01:40:05] YOU ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS KNOW KNOWS WHAT OUR RESPONSE RATE HAS BEEN, NOT THROUGH ANY DEFICIENCIES ON THE MEN AND WOMEN SERVING IN THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, WE NEED TO PROVIDE MORE FIREFIGHTERS. WE NEED TO TO ADD MORE FIRE STATIONS. WE NEED TO PROVIDE MORE FIRE, MORE POLICE OFFICERS. SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AND IF YOU LOOKED AT THIS BUDGET AND YOU HEARD MISS COLLINS, THAT A LOT OF THE FUNDING REQUESTS HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM REALLY CLOSELY. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF FAT IN THE BUDGET IF THERE'S OR ANY SAVINGS THAT CAN BE MADE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT CERTAINLY. BUT BUT I WON'T SUPPORT THE 6.5 BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A MINOR DECREASE OVER WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND YOU KNOW, I WILL STICK WITH THE 6.7339. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. RIGHT NOW I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I HAVE A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR. IF THAT SECOND STILL STANDS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SIX POINT OF THE ROLLBACK RATE IS 6.5. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. MOTION FAILS. I NEED A MOTION TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE AT 6.7339. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE AT 6.7339. WHICH IS THE CAP? WHICH IS THE CAP? CORRECT. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR OF FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. PASSES 3 TO 1. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MADAM SCHMIDT, ORDINANCE 20 2449, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. TITLE 20 UTILITIES CODE, CHAPTER 200. UTILITIES CODE BY ADJUSTING THE RATES, FEES, AND CHARGES FOR THE CITY'S UTILITY SYSTEM AND SERVICES. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT. HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM. MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS THE RANGE OF WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES, INCLUDING BASE CHARGES AND USAGE FEES, HAS A VARIETY OF OTHER FEES, INCLUDING METER RATES AND SERVICE FEES. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. STAFF IS PREPARED TO DISCUSS FURTHER AS NEEDED. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. PLEASE STEP FORWARD, MASTER CHIEF. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE POTENTIAL METER HOOKUP COSTS, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF STRANGE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL HOOKUP COST PER METER IS $812. YET WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT SECTION, NEW SUBDIVISIONS RESIDENT HOOKUP IS $433. IT'S HALF THE COST TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES. WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN COST? SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE BECAUSE TIMES ARE HARD THAT YOU MAKE BOTH RESIDENTIAL HOOKUPS THE LOWER COST OF $433, AND THEN IT'S A IT LOOKS BETTER IN YOUR IMAGE THAT WAY. I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. WHEN THE DEVELOPERS ARE BUILDING STUFF AND YOU GET THEIR HOOKUPS FOR HALF PRICE COMPARED TO THE SCATTER LOTS THAT HAVE TO PAY DOUBLE JUST BY THE IMAGE ONLY. THAT'S ALL I'M TALKING ABOUT. JUST THE IMAGE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TOWARDS DEVELOPERS. THAT BEING SAID, MAKE THEM. THEY'RE BOTH RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THEY'RE BOTH HOOKING UP A METER TO THEIR HOUSE. WE'RE STILL PUTTING CITY WATER THROUGH THE METER AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT WATER. SO LET THAT BE THE JUST THE HOW DO YOU WANT TO SAY THIS, THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE PORTRAYING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. YES, I'LL HAVE GABRIEL VOTE IN OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR TO SPEAK TO THAT. SOME MORE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GABRIEL BOWDEN, UTILITIES DIRECTOR. THERE'S A ONE WORD IN THE DESCRIPTION THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT. AND THAT IS TAP FOR THE SCATTER LOTS. THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT HAS ANOTHER HALF A DAY OF WORK FOR FOUR GUYS TO PERFORM, TO BE ABLE TO SET THAT METER. SO THAT'S WHY THE ADDITIONAL CHARGE IS THERE BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING A HALF A DAY DIGGING UP THE ROAD, TAPPING THE, THE THE WATER MAIN, AND THEN RUNNING [01:45:08] THE LINE ACROSS THE STREET OR UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. WHEN A DEVELOPER IS PUTTING IN A MAIN THEY'RE DOING THAT WORK FOR US. SO THAT'S SAVING US A HALF A DAY. IT'S SO THAT'S THE REASON THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICES. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? RAISE YOUR HAND. SEEING NONE. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVE. GOT A MOTION. DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN. NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO. ITEM NUMBER THREE, MISS SMITH. ORDINANCE 20 2450. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 20, UTILITIES CODE, CHAPTER 201 SEWER USE. SUBCHAPTER MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS BY ADJUSTING PERMIT FEES AND OTHER CHARGES RELATED TO THE CITY'S UTILITIES WASTEWATER SYSTEM, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT. HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM. MADAM SHERMAN THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS A SMALLER GROUP OF MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES FOR THIS ORDINANCE THAT RELATES TO A COMMERCIAL INSPECTION FEES AND OUR FATS, OILS AND GREASE PROGRAM. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. MA'AM. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? BY SHOW OF HANDS. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? NO, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. PASSES FOUR ZERO. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2451, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 20, UTILITIES CODE, CHAPTER 202 RECLAIMED WATER BY ADJUSTING THE RATES, FEES, AND CHARGES FOR RECLAIMED WATER. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT. HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MADAM. MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THESE ARE THE RATES AND CHARGES RELATED TO OUR RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM SYSTEM. WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. NO QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? PLEASE STEP FORWARD. I WANT TO CLARIFICATION ON THIS. ADJUSTMENTS OF FEES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? INCREASED. DECREASE FREE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ADJUSTING. AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT HOW COME WE'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FREE BARRELS FOR CITIZENS? THEY PAY IT AND THEN THEY GET A CREDIT BACK. HOW COME WE'RE THE ONLY ONES WHEN WE HAVE THE THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS DOING THEM IN OUR CITY? SO I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHY WE DON'T HAVE THOSE FREE BARRELS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO RECLAIM THE WATER. YOU KNOW, GUYS KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THOSE BIG BARRELS THAT YOU GUYS CHARGE $60 FOR, EVERYBODY GETS THEM FOR $35, AND THEN THE CITY'S REFUND THEM THE MONEY. WE DON'T DO THAT IN PALM BAY. ANYBODY KNOW? OKAY. SO QUESTION ABOUT THE ADJUSTMENTS OF THE FEES. WHAT THAT CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ANYBODY KNOW. NO. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS WHEN WE ADOPT THESE ORDINANCES, THESE ARE ADJUSTMENTS. IT COULD BE INCREASES OR DECREASES IN THE CASE OF THE RECLAIMED WATER METERS THAT ARE ON HERE, ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL RATES FOR ALL THE METERS AS YOU LOOK IN THE ATTACHMENT, THEY'RE ALL INCREASING BY DIFFERENT INCREMENTS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR RECLAIMED WATER, SO IT DOESN'T RELATE TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. I CAN CERTAINLY GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR MISS RIGHT ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND HOW THE THE RAIN BARREL PROGRAM OPERATES IN THE COUNTY. I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I'D HAVE TO TALK TO STAFF TO GET SOME MORE DETAILS FOR YOU REGARDING THE RAIN BARRELS. YES, SIR. WE'VE DONE THE PROGRAM BEFORE, I KNOW, AND WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS OVER TIME. WE'VE USUALLY PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY, BUT BEYOND THAT AND THE COSTS AND THINGS, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, IT'S USUALLY THE COUNTY THAT PARTNERS WITH US. I THOUGHT, I KNOW HISTORICALLY THE CITY HAS DONE SOME OF THEIR OWN WORKSHOPS, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS YEARS AGO AND IT WAS STORM WATER. AND SO I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE RATES GOING FROM 1320 TO 1370. [01:50:03] THANK YOU. 1320 1320 TO 1370. YES. $0.50. AND AND BUT WE'LL FIND OUT. WE'LL FIND OUT. YES, MA'AM. I NEED A MOTION. OH. HOLD ON. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? MISS CONNOLLY? COME ON UP. YES. ALMOST. CALL YOUR NAME. YEAH, I ALMOST I ALMOST DID TOO, BUT I, I FIGURED I BUT YOU CAN ENLIGHTEN US IN THE RAIN BARREL. YEAH. RAIN BARREL EXPERT. YES. I HAVE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. SO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE IS GIVING AWAY FREE RAIN BARRELS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. AND YES, WE ARE LAGGING A LITTLE BEHIND. I ALWAYS LIKE PALM BAY TO BE NUMBER ONE, AND BUT I JUST. I GOT A LITTLE LESSON ON RAIN BARRELS FROM THE MRC. IT JUST SO HAPPENED YESTERDAY. THE RAIN BARRELS ARE SO EFFICIENT NOW IN DESIGN. THEY'RE THEY'RE GOOD LOOKING. THEY'RE EASY. THEY CAPTURE THE WATER, THEY HAVE AN OVERFLOW SPOUT. AND THEN YOU JUST RUN YOUR HOSE AND WAIT FOR THE RAIN AND IT COMES AND IT'S IT'S A GREAT WAY TO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO SAVE WATER AND SAVE OUR PLANET. AND IT ALSO TIES IN TO NATIVE PLANTS AND OTHER WAYS AS WELL. AND ALL OF THOSE EVENTS WILL BE COMING UP IN OCTOBER. SO I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL. BUT I DO THINK WE COULD HAVE A RAIN BARREL PROGRAM AND A REBATE PROGRAM OR A GIVEAWAY PROGRAM. ALL OF THE ABOVE. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, MISS COLEMAN. MADAM SHERMAN DULY NOTED. DULY NOTED, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I JUST SENT THE CITY OF MELBOURNE'S RAIN BARREL REBATE PROGRAM TO STAFF. SO JUST GOOGLE RAIN BARREL PROGRAM. MELBOURNE. YOU'LL FIND IT. SO IT'LL BE EASY. IT'LL BE. I THINK IT CAN BE EASY TO BE DONE. SO, COUNCILMAN WEINBERG I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SECOND. WHAT WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON JUST SAID. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN OFFER OUR CITIZENS. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. IT'S GOOD FOR OUR CITIZENS, AND IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY. SO YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF PROGRAM. OKAY. I THINK WE GOT CONSENSUS ON THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. PASSES FOUR ZERO. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2452, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, ADOPTING A FINAL BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. MA'AM, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? BY A SHOW OF HANDS. SEEING. NONE. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. PASSES FOUR ZERO. OKAY. THIS CLOSES IT OUT. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.