[CALL TO ORDER:]
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I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING 20 2428 TO ORDER.
THE INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY PASTOR MARK MILLER OF VICTORY IN CHRIST JESUS MINISTRIES, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE GIVEN BY DEPUTY MAYOR DONNIE FELIX.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY OFFICIALS AND REPRESENTATIVES.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TO DO THE INVOCATION.
HEAVENLY FATHER, I COME TO YOU THIS EVENING LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH YOUR SON, JESUS CHRIST, WHOSE SACRIFICE ON THE CROSS AND RESURRECTION FROM THE GRAVE PROVIDES THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR ANY WHOSOEVER WHO CHOOSES TO BELIEVE AND RECEIVE.
FATHER, NOBODY IS TOO FAR FROM YOU, FROM YOUR LOVE, MERCY, AND GRACE.
MAY WE REPENT AS INDIVIDUALS, A CITY, A NATION AND TURN BACK TO YOU.
FATHER, YOUR WORDS REMIND US THAT WE HAVE NOT BECAUSE WE ASK NOT.
SO THIS EVENING, RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, I'M HERE TO ASK FATHER, I PRAY FOR YOUR DIVINE PROVIDENCE, YOUR PROTECTION, AND A HEAVENLY ANOINTING ON THE CITY, ON THE LEADERS AND ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY.
I PRAY FOR THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS OF WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, AND DISCERNMENT TO BE POURED OUT UPON ALL OF THOSE WHO LEAD, WORK AND LIVE IN OUR GREAT CITY. AND I PRAY FOR A DOUBLE PORTION OF THE GIFTS OF FAITH AND HEALING TO BE BROUGHT TO OUR LAND.
HEAL OUR LAND, OUR HEARTS AND OUR.
FATHER, FILL US WITH HOPE AND PEACE AND RESTORE THE JOY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, FOR WE LIVE IN WHAT COULD EASILY BE IN QUOTING OUR MAYOR, THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
FATHER, WE HAVE SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR.
NOT LOVE LIKE THE WORLD DEFINES.
YOUR WORD SAYS. HOW MUCH MORE WILL OUR HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE OF THE SPIRIT TO THOSE WHO ASK? AND SO I'M HERE ASKING.
AND FATHER, AS WE AS WE APPROACH VETERANS DAY, I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO YOU, LORD, FOR THE MIGHTY MEN AND WOMEN WHO ACCEPTED THEIR ASSIGNMENT THROUGH THEIR SACRIFICIAL SERVICE TO THIS GREAT COUNTRY IN OUR ARMED FORCES, RISKING THEIR LIVES, PUTTING THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY AND HARDSHIP, ALL TO PROTECT THE FREEDOM THAT WE HAVE AS AMERICAN CITIZENS IN THIS LAND OF WE THE PEOPLE, THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE, WE PRAY AND LIFT UP AND GIVE THANKS FOR ALL OF OUR VETERANS AND ACTIVE SERVICE DUTY MEMBERS.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO PREPARE THEM, PROTECT THEM, LEAD, GUIDE AND STRENGTHEN THEM.
FATHER, THERE'S NO BETTER INSTRUCTION MANUAL THAN THE WORD OF GOD, NO BETTER TEACHER THAN JESUS AS THE ELECTION IS NOW BEHIND US AND AS WE ARE EMBARKING ON A NEW CHAPTER AS INDIVIDUALS, A CITY, A STATE AND A NATION, LET US RETURN TO THE BASIC OF YOUR WORD.
OUR FATHER, WHICH ART IN HEAVEN, HALLOWED BE THY NAME.
THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE IN EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD.
FORGIVE US OF OUR DEBTS, AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS.
LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM ALL EVIL.
FOR THINE IS THE KINGDOM, THE POWER AND THE GLORY, FOREVER AND EVER.
INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MISS SHERMAN HERE. MISS SMITH HERE.
ANNOUNCEMENTS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MAYOR.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]
THREE VACANCIES ON THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD.ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN HOME BUILDING OR NOT FOR PROFIT POSITION ONE VACANCY ON THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CONTROL DISTRICT ANYONE WISHES TO SERVE ON.
THESE BOARDS CAN REACH OUT TO THE CITY CLERK AT 321952 3414 OR PALM BAY.
WE'RE NOW ON AGENDA REVISIONS.
[AGENDA REVISIONS:]
MADAM SHERMAN THANK YOU SIR.[00:05:02]
I HAVE FOUR ITEMS TO ANNOUNCE.ITEM 13 UNDER CONSENT AGENDA RELATING TO IRS TAX FORMS IS BEING WITHDRAWN.
ITEM 16 UNDER CONSENT AGENDA FOR TRAINING AND TRAVEL IS BEING WITHDRAWN.
SO WE ARE NOW ON PROCLAMATIONS.
[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]
YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS, SIR? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.I'LL STAND. HEY, WE GOT ONE OF OUR HEROES HERE TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
SO WE'RE HONORING NATIONAL VETERANS SMALL BUSINESS WEEK.
WHEREAS AMERICAN VETERANS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES HAVE SERVED THEIR COUNTRY IN TIMES OF PEACE AND WAR, AND THEIR SACRIFICES AND BRAVE EFFORTS HAVE PROTECTED THE RIGHTS AND SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS.
AND THEY ARE OWED OUR GRATITUDE AND SUPPORT.
AND WHEREAS FLORIDA IS HOME TO APPROXIMATELY 185,000 VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES, THEY GENERATE OVER 57 BILLION WITH A B ANNUAL REVENUE.
THEY ARE PILLARS OF OUR ECONOMY BY CONTRIBUTING TO THE FOUNDATION OF OUR NATION.
WHEREAS EACH YEAR, APPROXIMATELY 250,000 SERVICE MEMBERS AND THEIR MILITARY SERVICE.
AS VETERANS REENTER THE CIVILIAN WORKFORCE, ENROLL IN HIGHER EDUCATION, OR START A BUSINESS.
WHEREAS NATIONAL VETERANS SMALL BUSINESS WEEK IS A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE WAY TO SUPPORT THESE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THEIR INNOVATIONS, JOB CREATIONS, AND EFFORTS IN STRENGTHENING COMMUNITIES BY CONTINUING TO SERVE OUR DEMOCRACY BY ADVANCING OUR ECONOMY.
AND WHEREAS SINCE 2015, A WEEK IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AND ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AS NATIONAL VETERANS SMALL BUSINESS WEEK.
THE WEEK PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF VETERANS ALL VETERANS HAVE MADE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE IN AMERICA'S SMALL BUSINESS SECTOR AND THEIR IMPACT ON OUR NATIONAL ECONOMIC WELL-BEING.
AND WHEREAS THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES FAVORED IS THE STATEWIDE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, CONSISTING OF OVER 450 VETERAN BUSINESS OWNERS AND PATRIOTIC MEMBERS, WITH CHAPTERS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA, INCLUDING THE SPACE COAST CHAPTER. THEY ADVOCATE, THEY EDUCATE AND CONNECT VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES TO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES WITH A MISSION THAT INCLUDES PROMOTING AND UNITING THE MANY ESTABLISHED AND START UP BUSINESSES THAT ARE OWNED BY VETERANS AND DISABLED VETERANS.
NATIONAL VETERANS SMALL BUSINESS WEEK IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS NOW THEREFORE DECLARED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE. DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 11TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 15TH AS THAT NATIONAL VETERAN SMALL BUSINESS WEEK AND WITNESS HEREOF.
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COMMERCE, COVERING THE STATE OF FLORIDA.WE HAVE CHAPTERS ALL ACROSS THE STATE TALLAHASSEE, TAMPA, ORLANDO, SPACE COAST.
WE'VE GOT A SOUTH FLORIDA CHAPTER AND A JACKSONVILLE CHAPTER.
SO LIKE YOU SAID, OVER 180,000 VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE AIM TO BE THE RECOGNIZED VOICE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
WE LOBBY UP, UP IN TALLAHASSEE.
AND WE WE STAY ON TOP OF THAT.
FURTHERMORE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 450 MEMBERS.
90 OF THOSE MEMBERS, APPROXIMATELY, ARE HERE ON THE SPACE COAST.
ABOUT 40 OF THEM. ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE HERE IN PALM BAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS HERE IN THE ROOM? WE DON'T. SO I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE.
PERFECT. SO I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT EVERYONE HERE GETS TO LEARN ABOUT TODAY.
AND I'M NOT SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY HEARD ALL THIS.
THAT'S GREAT. BUT OTHERWISE THINGS REAL QUICK, THINGS WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED JUST THIS PAST YEAR, WE, WE MADE PARTNERSHIPS WITH ORLANDO AIRPORT AUTHORITY TO BRING VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES INTO THEIR SUPPLIER DIVERSITY CHAIN.
SAME THING WITH ORLANDO HEALTH AND SAME AGREEMENT.
WE JUST SIGNED AN MOU WITH C.F.
TODD. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, THAT'S THE CENTRAL FLORIDA TOURISM OVERSIGHT DISTRICT.
AND SO THEY HAVE A BUY LOCAL BY VETERAN INITIATIVE THAT OUR MEMBERS SIT ON THAT ADVISORY BOARD OF TO HELP GUIDE OUR MEMBERS INTO THEIR SUPPLY CHAINS AND INTO THEIR CONTRACTS SO THEY CAN BID AND WIN CONTRACTS.
WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT WITH OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE UP HERE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, HOW CAN I JOIN FAKEBOB? HOW CAN YOU JOIN FAKEBOB? WELL THAT'S EASY.
ON THE ON THE BENEFITS OF OF MEMBERSHIP.
NET IS OUR WEBSITE SUPER EASY TO JOIN? AWESOME. THAT'S GOOD. CONGRATULATIONS.
SO WE'RE RECOGNIZING VETERANS MONTH HERE.
OF COURSE, VETERANS DAY WILL BE THE 11TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, THE 11TH HOUR, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT.
BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, WE HONOR OUR VETERANS HERE IN OUR CITY.
NUMBER ONE, AND NOVEMBER 10TH IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY.
AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION IT BECAUSE IT'S BEFORE VETERANS DAY.
BUT IT'S IT'S THE 249TH BIRTHDAY OF MY BELOVED UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS.
BUT WE'RE HERE TO CELEBRATE VETERANS REMEMBRANCE MONTH.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK BILL DAVIDSON AND THE CHAPLAIN AND COME ON UP.
IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
MASTER CHIEF, WHEREAS THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS HEEDED TO OUR NATION'S CRY TO DEFEND AND PROMOTE LIBERTY, JUSTICE, AND DEMOCRACY. I'LL ANSWER THAT IN A MINUTE.
AND WHEREAS IN THEIR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, OUR VETERANS HAVE NOBLY SACRIFICED THE COMFORTS OF HOME, HEALTH AND THEIR LIVES SO THAT THESE BLESSINGS MIGHT BE ENJOYED BY PROSPERITY.
AND WHEREAS THE VERY RIGHTS, FREEDOMS, AND PRINCIPLES THAT WE CHERISH AND HOLD THE MOST DEAR TO US WOULD NOT BE OURS WERE IT NOT FOR THE SERVICE OF OUR VETERANS.
NOW, THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE ABOVE SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM VETERANS MONTH AND URGE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY TO RECOGNIZE THE VALOR, THE SACRIFICE OF OUR VETERANS THROUGH APPROPRIATE PUBLIC CEREMONIES,
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WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE OUR PARADE ON PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD ON SATURDAY AT 10:00 AND PRIVATE PRAYERS AND WITNESS HERE.BILL, YOU COME AND SAY A FEW WORDS.
GIVE IT UP FOR THIS FINE VETERAN.
MAYOR. ON BEHALF OF AMERICAN LEGION POST 117 AND AMERICAN LEGION POST 394 HERE IN PALM BAY.
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.
AND A LOT OF US ENDED UP HERE BECAUSE OF COMPANIES WE WENT TO WORK FOR THAT WE WERE IN CONTACT WITH.
BUT WE WANT TO REMEMBER ALL THE VETERANS.
THERE ARE MEN AND WOMEN ALL OVER THIS GREAT NATION THAT HAVE SERVED IN, IN SOME JOB, DOING IT SOME PLACE. AND THE OTHER THING WE'D LIKE TO REMEMBER IS THOSE THAT ARE ON ACTIVE DUTY THAT ARE NOT HOME.
THE HOLIDAYS, THEY COULD BE FROM PALM BAY.
THEY MAY BE IN ALASKA ON THE LAST, NEXT, LAST ISLAND IN THE CHAIN OR SOMEPLACE IN THE MIDEAST.
SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO REMEMBER THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE ON ACTIVE DUTY AND NOT HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS.
THANK YOU. THE AMERICAN LEGION IS JUST ONE ORGANIZATION OF VETERANS AND FAMILIES OF VETERANS AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT VETERANS.
AND WE ARE HERE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY, OUR VETERANS AND OUR NATION AT THIS TIME.
WE HAVE VETERANS WHO ARE SUFFERING, VETERANS WHO ARE COMING INTO THE HOLIDAYS.
AND OUR SUICIDE RATE FOR VETERANS IS 21 A DAY, SO THIS IS A REALLY SERIOUS TIME FOR US.
BE THE ONE TO REACH OUT AND YOU MAY BE THE ONE THAT SAVES A LIFE.
SO OUR POST, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE AMERICAN LEGION, THAT IS OUR THING NOW, IS BE THE ONE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OUT OUR HONOR GUARD, AND WE WILL BE GOING TO ASSISTED LIVINGS INSTEAD OF PARTICIPATING IN A LOT OF THE PARTIES AND THINGS THAT THEY DO ON VETERANS DAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AND FIND THOSE VETERANS AND THE ASSISTED LIVING AND THE REHABS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE CEREMONIES TO THEM SO THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT FORGOTTEN THAT THEIR SERVICE IS STILL HONORED. SO AGAIN, JUST REMEMBER, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOUR PRAYERS, REMEMBER THOSE THAT ARE BY THEMSELVES, THOSE WHO ARE FACING THE HOLIDAYS, WHO ARE BEING REMINDED OF TERRIBLE TIMES AND THEIR MEMORIES CAN'T BE QUELCHED.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAPLAIN.
I WANT EVERYONE TO DULY NOTE THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS 67 COUNTIES, AND BREVARD COUNTY IS NUMBER THREE IN POPULATION OF VETERANS. THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE PROTECTED US, THAT HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH TO US, WHENEVER YOU SEE THEM, A SIMPLE THANK YOU GOES A LONG WAY.
IN PARTICULAR, WHEN IT IS THE HOLIDAYS AND WE'RE MANY OF US HAVE SCARS THAT ARE UNSEEN.
SO THANK YOU FOR INDULGING THAT.
COME ON OVER HERE. CHECK IT OUT.
OKAY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE UNDER PRESENTATIONS AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MADAM SHERMAN.
[PRESENTATIONS:]
AND WE'LL HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.[00:20:03]
THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO EXPLORE.REGARDING THE POTENTIAL FOR A BMX TRACK IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH USA, BMX, AND THEY ARE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE RESULTS OF A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS THAT THEY DID FOR THE CITY. MR..
JUSTIN. HOW LOUD IS THIS? YOU CAN RAISE THE PODIUM, SIR.
THERE'S A I DON'T I DON'T HAVE TO I WELL, YOU'RE PRETTY TALL, SIR.
ALSO CURSED WITH BEING FAIRLY LOUD.
I WOULDN'T CALL IT A CURSE, THOUGH.
MAYOR COUNCILMAN STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR INVITING US DOWN HERE TODAY.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NONE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT LOCAL ADVOCATES THAT ACTUALLY REACHED OUT AND CONTACTED US FIRST ON HOW WE CAN BRING A BMX TRACK TO THIS COMMUNITY. SPECIFICALLY, CAITLIN ENGLISH, WHO IS SITTING BACK HERE IS A BREVARD COUNTY RESIDENT.
HOW DO WE BRING A FACILITY TO PALM BAY? AND I SAID, WELL, LET'S LET'S START WITH CREATING AN ADVOCACY GROUP ONLINE.
SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WE CAN FIND WHO WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
SO FAST, ACTUALLY, THAT COUNCILMAN ELECT HAMMER REACHED OUT TO ME DIRECTLY THROUGH THE ADVOCACY GROUP AND REQUESTED A MEETING WITH, WITH SOME STAFF WHERE WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE SENT THAT IN AND WERE ASKED TO COME AND PRESENT IT IN PERSON.
HERE WE GO. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PRESENTATION ITSELF, IF I COVER EVERY LITTLE BIT, IS LONGER THAN TEN MINUTES, AND THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THIS PRESENTATION WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD IN THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA PACKET FOR PEOPLE TO REVIEW.
I DO NOW. SO OUR ORGANIZATION IS USA, BMX.
WE ARE THE THE NATIONAL GOVERNING BODY AND SANCTIONING ORGANIZATION FOR BMX RACING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SPORT OF BMX RACING.
HAVE A QUICK VIDEO HERE THAT'S GOING TO SHOWCASE.
IT'S JUST THREE MINUTES A LOT OF TRACKS AND WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO.
A TYPICAL USA BMX RACE PROGRAM OPERATES 3 TO 4 TIMES PER WEEK AND INCLUDES AN OPEN RACE NIGHT, A BMX RACING LEAGUE NIGHT SPECIFICALLY FOR BEGINNERS AND A COACHED PRACTICE SESSION.
WHILE SOME OF THE ELDEST RACERS ARE IN THEIR 70S AND RIDING ON MUCH LARGER BIKES, THE MAJORITY OF PARTICIPANTS ARE AGED EIGHT THROUGH 13 AND THEN AGED 30 THROUGH 45, WITH THIS LAST GROUP BEING THE PARENTS OF YOUNGER RACERS WHO ENJOY BEING ABLE TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER AND TO COMPETE AS A FAMILY.
MOST LOCAL USA BMX RACING PROGRAMS HAVE BETWEEN 2 AND 300 ACTIVE MEMBERS, WITH A WEEKLY THROUGHPUT OF 1 TO 200 RIDERS, GENERATING NET PROFITS AS HIGH AS 80 TO $100,000 PER YEAR FOR YOUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH A GREAT LOCAL RECREATIONAL PROGRAM FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
USA BMX HAS AMAZING SPORTS TOURISM OPPORTUNITIES AND ENSURES THAT EACH TRACK, REGARDLESS OF ITS SIZE, IS GUARANTEED AT LEAST ONE STATE LEVEL SPORT TOURISM EVENT WITH THE ABILITY TO EARN MORE STATE LEVEL EVENTS.
IF A TRACK APPLIES FOR AND RECEIVES A REGIONAL EVENT OR BIDS ON AND IS AWARDED ONE OF OUR 30 NATIONAL EVENT WEEKENDS, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT CAN BE AS HIGH AS $2.5 MILLION, ATTRIBUTED DIRECTLY TO SPORTS TOURISM.
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TO BRING THIS GREAT PROGRAM TO YOUR TOWN, ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS A USA BMX RACING FACILITY.AN AVERAGE FACILITY WILL FIT INSIDE THE SPACE OF A SOCCER FIELD.
ABA ETHOS HAS ARCHITECTS AND CONSULTANTS ON STAFF THAT ARE ABLE TO SERVE AS OWNERS, REPRESENTATIVES AND GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS WHEN IT IS NOT BEING UTILIZED FOR. USA BMX RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING.
THIS IS A WIN WIN AS NOW YOUR CITY WILL HAVE A PASSIVE USE FACILITY THAT IS SERVING AN ESSENTIAL RECREATIONAL PURPOSE AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO OPERATE A PROFITABLE RECREATIONAL PROGRAM.
THROUGH OUR SANCTION AGREEMENT, WE WILL HANDLE MEMBERSHIP SERVICES, POINTS TRACKING, INTEGRATED MARKETING SOFTWARE, EVENT INSURANCE, COACH TRAINING, PROGRAM SCHEDULING, RACE AND EVENT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE USA BMX FOUNDATION ACCREDITED STEM AND TRACK MODELING PROGRAMS WITH MORE MULTIGENERATIONAL PARTICIPATION THAN ANY OTHER SPORT.
WHAT IS YOUR CITY DOING TO PREPARE FOR THE DEMAND OF THE SPORTS AND FITNESS INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION'S FASTEST GROWING SPORT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS? ALL RIGHT, SO I KNOW THAT PARTS OF THAT VIDEO CAN SOUND LIKE IT IS KIND OF A MARKETING PIECE.
WHAT IT DIDN'T MENTION IN THERE IS THAT EVERYTHING IN FLORIDA IS BETTER.
THE SERIES IN FLORIDA IS BETTER.
THE TRACKS IN FLORIDA IS BETTER.
THE PARTICIPATION IN FLORIDA IS BETTER.
AND WE'RE GOING TO COVER THOSE NUMBERS HERE IN JUST A SECOND AS WE GET THROUGH THIS.
SO I KNOW THAT WE WENT OVER IT REAL FAST INSIDE THAT VIDEO.
WHY USA, BMX? WE'RE THE LARGEST YOUTH CYCLING PROGRAM GLOBALLY, AND THROUGH OUR NETWORK OF TRACKS, WE ACTUALLY HOST AND INSURE OVER 12,000 EVENTS AND 320 TRACKS IN THE US AND CANADA. 15 OF THOSE TRACKS ARE IN FLORIDA.
AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN ONE OF THE FUTURE SLIDES.
WE HAVE A LARGE, DIVERSE AGE GROUP.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROFITS, I KNOW THAT YOU HEARD THAT WORD A LOT.
THAT IS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON RECREATION DEPARTMENTS THAT CHOOSE TO OPERATE A PROGRAM INTERNALLY.
SO IF YOUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING TEE-BALL INTERNALLY OR BASKETBALL INTERNALLY, AND IT IS BREAKING EVEN, OR MAYBE EVEN SUBSIDIZING THOSE PROGRAMS BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSES. THE OPERATIONS OF A BMX TRACK ARE PROFITABLE, AND IN SOME FACILITIES THAT OPERATE WITH REC DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN PROFITABLE ENOUGH TO HELP SUBSIDIZE OTHER SPORTS AND OTHER AT RISK PROGRAMS WITHIN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE USAGE RATE.
THIS IS A GENERAL MAP OF ALL OF OUR FACILITIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION IN FLORIDA.
THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF SANCTIONING.
SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH USA, BMX AND THE TURNKEY FACILITY, YOU'RE ALSO GETTING A TURNKEY PROGRAM THAT GIVES ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS, ALL OF OUR INSURANCE AND BEING PART PART OF THE SPECIFICALLY HERE, THE FLORIDA STATE SERIES.
SO THIS IS GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE EVENTS.
OUR TOTAL PARTICIPANTS ANNUALLY ARE 3 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT BASEBALL'S NUMBERS.
BUT AGAIN WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY FACILITIES AS BASEBALL DOES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
WHEN YOU GET INTO HOW EACH FACILITY DOES INDIVIDUALLY, THE NUMBERS START TO GET SURPRISING.
THE FLORIDA STATE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES IS THE PREMIER STATE SERIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
IT'S ACTUALLY SO WELL ATTENDED THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT COME TO FLORIDA SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STATE RACES IN FLORIDA, IN LIEU OF OUR NATIONAL EVENTS.
SO IT'S THE PREMIER CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
EACH MAY CHAMPIONSHIPS, CHAMPIONS FROM ALL AGES AND SKILL LEVELS ARE CROWNED IN AN AWARD CEREMONY.
WE ARE NOT POINTING AND ENCOURAGING TWO YEAR OLDS TO COMPETITIVELY RACE, THAT IS.
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BUT ONCE THEY DO START RACING, THE FIRST CLASS IS FIVE AND UNDER NOVICE.SO THOSE ARE YOUR BEGINNERS THAT ARE UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE, AND THEY GO ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH.
OUR CURRENT OLDEST RACER IN THE US IS 78 YEARS OLD AND IN FLORIDA IS SOMEBODY HELP ME.
DO THEY KNOW THE AGE OF THE OLDEST RACER? IS IT DEMPSEY? DEMPSEY.
DEMPSEY, 68 YEARS OLD AND CONTINUING TO RACE BMX AS AN EXPERT AND CRUISER LEVEL RIDER.
SO IN FLORIDA, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 15 TRACKS.
WE ARE CURRENTLY ADDING A FACILITY IN PORT SAINT LUCIE.
THAT PARK HAS BROKEN GROUND IN.
THAT FACILITY ITSELF WILL GO IN WITH THE REST OF THE FIELDS STARTING EARLY TO MID NEXT YEAR.
WHEN WE HAVE AN EVENT, I'LL KEEP THIS VERY QUICK.
WE HAVE THE LARGE EVENTS ARE ALMOST 70% OUT OF COUNTY PARTICIPANTS.
WE HAVE A LARGE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND WE HAVE ROUGHLY 718 PARTICIPANTS ON AVERAGE PER STATE EVENT.
WE DO OFFER EVENT GUARANTEES, WHICH ARE THOSE STATE RACES.
THAT WAY YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO HAVE THOSE EVENTS.
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT FILE IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP.
SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL USAGE RATE ANALYSIS.
DO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO DOWN WITH THIS? PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IS EVERY SINGLE RACE EVENT THAT HAPPENS, WE TRACK.
WE ALSO USE PLACER IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
IT'S A GEOFENCING DATA TRACKING SOFTWARE.
IT IS BIG BROTHER. SO WE CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE FACILITY ANNUALLY, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING OTHER FACILITIES IN THE AREA FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES. IF I SPEAK A LITTLE BIT LONG, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT PICTURE ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE IS MYSELF, MY FATHER AND MY SON.
AS WE GET INTO THIS HERE, WE MEASURED THREE DIFFERENT FACILITIES RIGHT HERE THAT ARE LOCAL TO YOU.
SO WE MEASURED I MIGHT PRONOUNCE THIS TERRIBLY CONNECT PARK THE PALM BAY LITTLE LEAGUE FOR 2023, SO CONNECT PARK'S LITTLE LEAGUE HAD 24,000 ANNUAL VISITS.
AND BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER WITH THIS, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR I AM A SPORTS FAN.
I THINK ALL SPORTS THAT GET PEOPLE OUT AND ACTIVE ARE VERY HEALTHY FOR A COMMUNITY.
PALM BAY. WEST 45,000 VISITORS, LIBERTY PARK, 42,000 VISITORS, AND THE MELBOURNE SKATE PARK, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT PALM BAY, BUT BREVARD COUNTY AT 25,000 ANNUAL VISITORS IN 2023.
OUR PROJECTED ANNUAL VISITS, AND I'LL GET INTO THE MATH ON THIS IN A MINUTE, IS ALMOST 65,000 TOTAL ANNUAL VISITS FOR A BMX TRACK THAT IS AN ADAPTIVE ALL WHEEL PARK THAT HAS BOTH PROGRAMING AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
I WAS ASKED TO PREPARE A REPORT BASED ON THE POTENTIAL LOCATION WITHIN THE COMPOUND.
IT'S WHERE THE OLD CYCLOCROSS COURSE USED TO BE.
I LOVE BEING DOWN HERE BECAUSE I GOT TO VISIT IT EARLIER TODAY AND IT IS BEAUTIFUL.
IT IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF POPULATION.
IT'S NOT VERY DEEP INTO THE COMPOUND.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO RECOMMEND AN ENGINEERING STUDY FOR THIS FACILITY, NOT A FULL FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WILL ASK US FOR ALL OF THE DATA THAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT.
BUT WHAT WE ARE NOT IS WE ARE NOT ENGINEERS.
AND SO IF THERE ARE LOCAL UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER, STORM THAT NEEDS TO BE CONNECTED TO THIS FACILITY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO DECIDE IF IT IS OF VALUE TO YOU.
ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, COST.
SO THIS IS THE FACILITY IN PORT SAINT LUCIE AND THE.
I WANT TO CAUTION THIS COST BECAUSE WHAT THIS IS, IS WHAT IS YOUR CURB APPEAL? HOW BEAUTIFUL DO YOU WANT A FACILITY TO BE WHEN YOU GO TO A PARK, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN ORDER PARK BENCHES THAT COST HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS OR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
YOU CAN PUT IN BATHROOMS THAT COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
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SO THE AMENITIES DRIVE THE COST ON THE PARK.THE FACILITY THAT'S BEING BUILT AT PORT SAINT LUCIE IS ACTUALLY COMING IN AND IS DIRECTLY AND I WANT TO USE THAT COMPARISON BECAUSE IT WAS THE ENGINEERING CAME BACK ON IT LAST WEEK AND IT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MULTI-USE VENUE, BUT THE ACTUAL WRITING SURFACE OF THE TRACK, THE RACING AREA ITSELF CAME IN AT $2.7 MILLION.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE USAGE RATE ON THOSE CAN BE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER ONCE YOU START ADDING ADDITIONAL AMENITIES DEPENDING ON YOUR BLEACHER SHADE STRUCTURES AND AMPHITHEATER WAS REQUESTED ON THIS ONE, YOU CAN START INCREASING THE COST.
BUT AGAIN, THAT IS CURB APPEAL.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO THEM.
SO ON THIS USAGE RATE OVERVIEW AND I'LL KEEP IT QUICK.
OKEEHEELEE BMX GIVE ME SOME CLAPS.
THEY'RE THE NUMBER ONE TRACK ON THE EAST COAST.
THEY DO, THEY DO VERY, VERY WELL.
CAPE CORAL HAD ALMOST 500 AND SARASOTA BMX HAD 650 MEMBERS.
THERE'S SOME BRIEF NUMBERS REAL FAST ON WHAT THEIR AVERAGE PARTICIPATION IS.
CITY POPULATION, HOUSEHOLD INCOME.
WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO PALM BAY ON A FIVE YEAR FIGURE, IT'S VERY EASY ON A FACILITY THAT I WANT TO AGAIN, BE CAREFUL WHEN I SAY THIS IS SUPPORTED AND DOES NOT REQUIRE A LARGE BRAND NEW VOLUNTEER GROUP TO MAINTAIN THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF.
IT'S VERY EASY TO GROW THE PROGRAM USING COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO 600 MEMBERS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 55 BASEBALL TEAMS IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS. ECONOMIC IMPACT ON TOURISM.
SO WE USE SPORTS ETA'S ECONOMIC IMPACT CALCULATOR.
THEY FIGURE THAT OVERNIGHT VISITORS ARE WORTH $317 PER NIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THESE NUMBERS COME FROM.
I KNOW THAT I'M WELL PAST, SO I'M TRYING TO SPEED UP AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.
THIS IS POTENTIAL REVENUE FOR A RECREATION DEPARTMENT IF IT'S DIRECT.
THESE ARE THE DETAILED USAGE RATE COMPARISONS.
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE CAN REVIEW BACK TO ANY OF THESE AT THIS TIME.
THESE ARE THE DETAILED REPORTS THAT JUST JUSTIFY THE NUMBERS I GAVE YOU AT THE VERY BEGINNING FOR THE SKATE PARK AND THE LITTLE LEAGUE PARKS AND THEIR USAGE RATES FROM THE PLACER I COMPANY, ALONG WITH WHAT OKEEHEELEE, CAPE CORAL AND SARASOTA BMX DID.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF BMXERS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT HAVE TO TRAVEL TO OTHER TRACKS FROM BREVARD COUNTY, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER HELPING TO CREATE A NEW SPORTS FACILITY SO PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN STAY IN THE BEST CITY ON EARTH, AND WE CAN BRING MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY CYCLING AND RIDING BIKES AND GIVE THEM THE CHANCE TO RIDE A BIKE AND SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILY AS THEY RACE AT WHAT IS HOPEFULLY PALM BAY BMX.
ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST I'LL SAY THANK YOU.
OH, THAT WAS A QUICK 20 MINUTES, I APOLOGIZE.
I'LL SAY THANK YOU FOR FOR THE PRESENTATION.
REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS.
RIGHT. YOU SAID OR THE VIDEO SAID THE LENGTH OF A SOCCER FIELD.
AND THEN IN THE VIDEO, IT DISCUSSED ABOUT NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS AT LEAST ONE PER YEAR.
DID I CATCH THAT CORRECTLY? YES. ISH.
LARGE TOURNAMENTS, WHICH CAN HAPPEN ONCE PER YEAR.
SO WHAT'S THE DRIVING MECHANISM TO GET MULTIPLE TOURNAMENTS? IS IT THE AMENITIES IN THE TRACK, HOW GOOD THE TRACK IS? OR IS IT THAT IT'S MULTIPLE TRACKS WITHIN THE PARK? YES. SO I'LL START BY ADDRESSING THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION, WHICH WAS THE SIZE OF THE RACE FACILITY ITSELF, THE THE TRACK THAT YOU SAW THAT THE PEOPLE RACE ON THAT CAN FIT INSIDE A FOOTBALL FIELD AND THAT IS A AVERAGE TRACK.
RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING THE TOTAL LENGTH OF THESE TRACKS.
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LARGE EVENTS TO HAPPEN.SO IF YOU COMPARE IT TO TRADITIONALLY WOULD BE A FOOTBALL FIELD, YOU COULD PUT A FOOTBALL FIELD IN A PARK WITH NO AMENITIES, NO BLEACHERS, AND YOU CAN HOLD PRACTICES OUT THERE, MAYBE SOME FLAG FOOTBALL, BUT NOT A LARGE TOURNAMENT.
IF YOU WANT TO PLAY A HIGH SCHOOL GAME, YOU HAVE TO GO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL STADIUM.
THE FOOTBALL FIELD ITSELF NEVER CHANGES SIZE.
IT'S 120 YARDS LONG, 50 YARDS WIDE.
YOU START GETTING INTO THOSE AMENITIES THAT ALLOW THOSE LARGER EVENTS.
THAT VIDEO, AGAIN WAS BASED ON AVERAGES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
IN FLORIDA, WE ACTUALLY GUARANTEE THOSE STATE LEVEL EVENTS.
AND FOR THE RECORD, THE STATE LEVEL EVENTS IN FLORIDA ARE AS LARGE AND SOMETIMES LARGER THAN OUR NATIONAL EVENTS THAT WE ALSO BRING INTO FLORIDA. SO THE ECONOMIC.
SO LET ME JUST ASK RIGHT THERE.
LET ME CUT YOU OFF RIGHT THERE BECAUSE WE CAN GO DOWN THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR A LENGTH OF TIME.
YES. THE HIGHEST TOURNAMENT IN FLORIDA.
WHERE IS IT? THE LARGEST ONE THAT'S EVER BEEN HELD IN FLORIDA WAS IN OLDSMAR IN 2022, WHICH IS THE LARGEST STATE EVENT WE EVER HAD.
IT WAS HELD BACK TO BACK WITH A NATIONAL THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND, AND IT HAD, I THINK IT WAS 900 UNIQUE PARTICIPANTS FOR THE STATE RACE AND ROUGHLY 1200 UNIQUE PARTICIPANTS FOR THE NATIONAL.
YES, SIR. YOU DRIVE IT? YES, SIR. OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
WHAT PICTURES DID YOU HAVE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SEEN? THERE WAS NO PICTURES OF.
THERE'S NO PICTURES OF OLDSMAR BMX IN THERE.
HOWEVER, WE DO ROTATE THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SHARE THOSE WITH OTHER TRACKS IN FLORIDA.
SO IF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS HOW WOULD YOU CREATE A FACILITY THAT HAD A LARGE ENOUGH EVENT TO PULL IT AWAY FROM OTHER FACILITIES IN FLORIDA? CAN I SEE THAT COMING? IT'S WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT EVENT IN FLORIDA.
IF YOU'RE IN CENTRAL FLORIDA, FOR INSTANCE, HERE, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A MUCH LARGER RACE THAN WE HAVE, SPECIFICALLY A TRACK IN NAPLES, FLORIDA, WHICH IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH NAPLES, SOUTHEAST FLORIDA IT'S VERY FAR DRY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET TO.
RIGHT. SO IT'S WAY ON THE FRINGE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE AS LARGE OF AN EVENT JUST BECAUSE OF EXCESS.
IT'S STILL A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE SMALLER FACILITIES.
SO THEY KIND OF DID THAT ON PURPOSE.
OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION BEFORE I TURN IT OFF TO TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
PORT SAINT LUCIE, YOU SAID, IS BUILDING ONE OF THESE TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY.
IN COMPARISON TO THAT NATIONAL CENTER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THOSE AMENITIES IN COMPARISON TO THAT FACILITY, HOW DOES IT COMPETE? HOW DOES IT COMPARE THE WITH THE AMENITIES, THE THOSE THAT FACILITY HAS TOP NOTCH AMENITIES.
THE PORT SAINT LUCIE ONE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.
SO THAT WAS A PARK THAT IS BEING BUILT BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE DEVELOPER HAD TO USE DEVELOPMENT TAXES TO HELP FUND THE PARK.
THE TRACK IS INSIDE THE PARK BUT SEPARATE.
SO THE CITY HAD DONE TWO DIFFERENT STUDIES AND THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO TRY TO BUILD AN ACTION SPORTS PARK WITH DIFFERENT BICYCLING AMENITIES AND WITHIN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE OTHER SPORTS WHICH WAS ROCK CLIMBING, WAVE RIDER, SOME DIRT FEATURES.
SO IT NEVER ADDED UP FOR THE CITY.
BUT THE RACETRACK DID AND THEY CONTINUALLY WANTED TO DO THAT.
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WE DIDN'T OFFER AN ADAPTIVE TRACK UNTIL THEY ASKED US FOR IT, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY CREDITED WITH AND IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, THE CREATION OF THAT FACILITY TO SERVE ADAPTIVE NEEDS.
SINCE THEN, IT HAS BECOME SOMETHING THAT IS HIGHLY REQUESTED FROM A LOT OF CITIES.
IT IS NOT REQUIRED BY US TO HAVE A FACILITY LIKE THAT AT ALL.
HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN TELL, IT WAS IN A VERY.
THANK YOU. I GOT THE. UNLESS I'M ASKING.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
CERTAINLY. IT'S INTERESTING. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA HERE TO GO OVER.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING HERE.
WE'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISIONS.
BUT A COUPLE OF BASIC QUESTIONS.
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TO ATTRACT NATIONAL EVENTS HERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THESE OTHER FACILITIES IN FLORIDA, WOULDN'T WE? YES. SO THERE IS A WE HAVE A NATIONAL RFP PROCESS.IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NATIONAL SPORTING EVENT.
HOWEVER, AS THERE'S TRACKS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT HAVE WON, THOSE EVENTS CAN TELL YOU THAT PROCESS IN FLORIDA IS NOT AS COMPETITIVE AS MUCH AS IT IS ROTATION.
THERE IS COMPETITION, HOWEVER.
FOR INSTANCE, LAST YEAR WE CAME IN AND WE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH THE RFP.
THEY SUBMITTED PROPOSALS, AND BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE FLORIDA SPORTS FOUNDATIONS, ALL OF THE PROPOSALS THAT COME IN ARE FAIRLY EQUAL. WELL, HOW DO YOU CHOOSE THAT? WELL, YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU SAY, WELL, OKEEHEELEE HAS INVESTED IN BMX.
IT'S THEIR TURN AND THEN WE ROTATE IT BASED ON THOSE TURNS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT, THERE'S TRACKS IN FLORIDA THAT DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT IN THE NATIONAL EVENT SERIES OR ANY OF THOSE PROPOSALS, BUT WE STILL GUARANTEE THEM THOSE STATE LEVEL EVENTS EVERY OTHER YEAR.
SO WE HAVE TO SPLIT IT UP INTO EVERY OTHER YEAR.
OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION IS I REALIZED IT WOULD BE A GREAT VARIANCE DEPENDING ON AMENITIES, BUT WHAT'S THE AVERAGE MAINTENANCE COST OF ONE OF THESE FACILITIES? THE AVERAGE MAINTENANCE COST ON THE DIRT FACILITIES.
SO A LEGACY FACILITY IS MUCH HIGHER.
AND THAT WILL DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF SURFACE THAT THEY MAINTAIN.
AND THAT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM TEN, $15,000 A YEAR FOR BASIC DIRT MAINTENANCE, LAWN MOWING BY THE LOCAL ORGANIZATION, UP TO 50 $60,000 A YEAR FOR SOME OF THE PREMIER FACILITIES ON THE NEW FACILITIES, THE ADAPTIVE FACILITIES, THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO BE AS ALMOST MAINTENANCE FREE AS POSSIBLE.
THE ONE IN PORT SAINT LUCIE IS ACTUALLY SPECKED WITH AN ARTIFICIAL GRASS SURFACE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO IN AND MOW IT. AND THE TRACK ITSELF IS BUILT WITH A FIBER REINFORCED SHOTCRETE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY STRONGER THAN SKATEPARK CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MELBOURNE SKATE PARK OR ANY CONCRETE SKATE PARKS IN FLORIDA AND YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT'S MY MAINTENANCE COST ON THEM? RIGHT. IT'S ALMOST NOTHING.
THEY'RE BUILT TO BE THERE AND STAND THERE AND BE STAND ALONE.
YOU SAID THE PORT SAINT LUCIE IS BUILDING THIS FACILITY RIGHT NOW.
YES, SIR. WHAT'S THE COST? SO THE COST ON THE TRACK ITSELF CAME IN LAST WEEK AT $2.7 MILLION FOR THE CONCRETE INSTALLATION.
WITH ALL OF THE LABOR, CONCRETE, SHOTCRETE AND EVERYTHING THAT DID NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU SAW FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, WHICH IS IT'S A NOT AMPHITHEATER. THEY DIDN'T PUT SOUND IN.
THE BLEACHERS, THE BATHROOMS AND EVERYTHING.
THEY CAME IN AT ABOUT 5.2 MILLION TOTAL.
THE REST OF THE PARK IS NOT USING MUSCO LIGHTING, WHICH UPSET THE PARK DIRECTOR.
AND HE SAID BECAUSE WE CONTROL THE TRACK, WE'RE PUTTING MUSCO LIGHTING IN.
I SAID, OKAY THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE A HIGH END LIGHTING COMPANY.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM, THAT CAN REALLY RAISE COSTS.
THANK YOU, MR. TRAVIS. THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH THAT FUNDING, WAS MAJORITY OF THAT FUNDING IMPACT FEES OR WAS SOME OF THE TOURISM DOLLARS YOU MENTIONED? YEAH. SO THE PORT SAINT LUCIE TRACK IS A UNIQUE IS THAT IS ACTUALLY PARKS.
THEY THEY HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
IT CAME OUT OF THEIR CAPITAL BUDGET.
THEY, THEY DID APPLY FOR I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK.
SO I DON'T FEEL COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE SAYING IT.
BUT I DO THINK THEY HAD TO ADD ABOUT $1 MILLION INTO THE BUDGET.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY APPLIED FOR THAT FROM.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A STATE GRANT.
YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING MORE SO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SPACE COAST TOURISM HERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO I WANT US TO KEEP GOING.
WE DO HAVE FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT BY TOURISM IMPACT TAXES.
THERE'S ONE IN OHIO THAT WAS RECENTLY BUILT.
SO SO THAT IS A COMMON WAY TO BUILD FACILITIES.
IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE HOW THE PORT SAINT LUCIE ONE IS BEING BUILT.
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GOT IT. THAT'S ALL. YEP.NO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A QUESTION, BUT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FIRST.
AND ALSO, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE DISCUSSION HERE AS FAR AS WHAT CAN WE DO TO KIND OF CHANGE THE COURSE WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, OUR YOUTH, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR YOUTH, YOU KNOW, THE THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, THE EXPERIENCE WE HAVE WITH WITH CRIME.
RIGHT. SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS VERY POSITIVE.
I'M VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THIS THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY COULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING IN TERMS OF VERY SUSTAINABLE EVEN EVEN MAKE MONEY IN SOME CASES.
THIS IS GREAT. I THINK IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR PALM BAY.
SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? IT'LL BE GREAT. ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
IT'S REALLY INTERESTING ON THE COMPETITIVE EDGE BECAUSE IF WE GO DOWN THIS THIS PATH, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE COMPETITIVE, RIGHT? YES. AND PORT SAINT LUCIE HAS SET THE SET THE WAY, I GUESS.
BUT AT THIS TIME, IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, MY OPINION.
YOUR TIMING IS JUST SLIGHTLY OFF.
WE HAVE THREE NEW MEMBERS THAT WILL BE TAKING AN OATH OF SERVICE AND SITTING ON THIS DAIS.
I WOULD WANT THEM TO BE ENGAGED.
THEY NEED TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BACK AT A LATER TIME.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK I'M GOING TO GO DOWN TO TRADITION.
YOU SAID. RIGHT. IT'S IN PORT SAINT LUCIE TRADITION ON THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO.
I'M GOING TO TAKE A TRIP DOWN THERE MYSELF.
YES, SIR. AND I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS REFERRING TO IS THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL MAY BE A FINANCIAL VENUE FOR US, A RESOURCE FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS ALLUDING TO.
I HAPPEN TO SIT CURRENTLY ON THAT TDC AND AND DEFINITELY WE COULD HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
BUT AGAIN, THE WAY I'M SITTING IS BEING MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL.
WE WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE TO HAVE WE CERTAINLY THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
BUT NOW THAT COMPLEXITY HAS CHANGED AND NOW THERE'S THERE'S THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO I'M GOING TO BE MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL OF THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
YEAH, I HUMBLY DISAGREE BECAUSE IN THAT CASE WE WILL BE TABLING EVERY ITEM TODAY.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON.
THOSE ARE MY THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAND THE BATON WHEN THEY GET ON HERE.
SO I'M THINKING WE JUST CONTINUE ON.
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING OVER THE PAST YEAR I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON MOVING THIS FORWARD.
WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE IN SUPPORT.
SO NOW WE'RE SAYING, HEY, PUMP THE BRAKES SO THREE PEOPLE CAN GET SWORN IN.
I'M JUST SAYING LET'S CONTINUE ON BECAUSE WHEN WE LOSE MOMENTUM, WE CAN LOSE A LOT.
LIKE WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION BECAUSE AT THAT POINT HE'S COMING BACK TO GIVE THE SAME PRESENTATION.
THE COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ELECT COULD HAVE BEEN LISTENING IN.
HE SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING, ALL OF THIS IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
SO IF THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE SHIFTS, LIKE WE WE'VE SHIFTED WITH THE CAMPGROUNDS.
PREVIOUS COUNCIL WENT ONE DIRECTION.
OUR COUNCIL WENT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION SO THEY COULD ALWAYS SHIFT AT AFTER THAT.
IN THE MEANTIME, THAT'S ALL I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN.
SO HOW I FEEL. OKAY, SO WE HAVE OTHER COUNCILS CLEARLY.
WHAT WHAT I'M WHAT I'M WHAT I FEEL IS THAT IT'S DISRESPECTFUL AND THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
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ACTION ITEM. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT DOWN RANGE.THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DEFINITIVE DECISIONS TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, ALL THIS DATA CERTAINLY IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE NEW COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS THE PERFECT TYPE OF ITEM THAT THE TDC PROVIDES GRANTS FOR.
AND AND THAT CAN GO A LONG, LONG WAY TO, TO HELPING BUILD THIS FACILITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DEFINITIVE, DEFINITIVE DECISIONS TONIGHT.
ALL THIS DATA IS AVAILABLE TO THE NEW COUNCIL.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE A LOT MORE RESEARCH AND A LOT MORE DATA.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED BEFORE ANY KIND OF A DECISION IS MADE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE DECISION.
THAT'S SOMETIME EVEN THE NEW COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO BE DOING THAT IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST CONTINUE ON THIS ON THIS PATH AND CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO IT AND DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND, AND MAYBE GET A PRELIMINARY YOU KNOW, DECISION FROM THE TDC IF THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING A GRANT FOR IT AND KNOWING IF THEY WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH OF A GRANT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FROM THE TDC CAN GO A LONG, LONG WAY IN, IN MAKING A DECISION ON THIS.
BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO THE TDC.
THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY LOOK AT.
DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF OF THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN.
THAT IS CORRECT. JUST JUST NOT LOSING MOMENTUM.
SHOULD SHOULD. YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF COUNCIL ARE SHOWING INTEREST.
THEY CAN ALWAYS ASK QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE AND GIVE THAT STAFF DIRECTION TO TO MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD REAL FAST.
AND THAT IS THE HOOK THAT BUILDS MANY OF THESE TRACKS.
BUT THE TRACKS THEMSELVES SERVE YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
80% OF THE PARTICIPANTS ARE WITHIN 15 MINUTE COMMUTE OF THE FACILITY, AND IT'S A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES AND KIDS CAN RIDE AND RACE AND LEARN AND GROW.
AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY PARTICIPATING IN OTHER TEAM SPORTS.
YES, SIR. RIGHT. WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN A LOT OF TIME, BUT WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
OR IS IT THREE NOW? THREE. WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS.
I WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS WELL.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
COUNCILMAN. STAND BY. YOU CAN.
BECAUSE YOU'LL PROBABLY WIND UP COMING BACK UP.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THIS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY THAT GOT INVOLVED.
THE PEOPLE THAT PROPOSED THIS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY NEEDED.
WAS SOME OUTSIDE EYES LOOKING IN ON WHAT COULD WE DO TO MAKE MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF THING THAT WE NEEDED.
SO THANK THE PUBLIC THAT GOT INVOLVED IN THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM WAS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLAN, AND WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA PACKET, I NOTICED THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
YOU KNOW, A BIG, BIG, BIG IMPACT.
LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. THE FOOD TRUCKS COULD STILL BE THERE AND HELP SUPPLY A LOT OF STUFF WITH IT.
I'M ALWAYS HALF EMPTY WAS THE NEGATIVE IMPACT WE'D HAVE ON THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET OF DRAGONFLY WEDDING, BUT THEY COULD ALSO USE THAT TO THEIR BENEFIT, BECAUSE THAT'LL BE A WHOLE LOT OF ADVERTISEMENT FOR THEM.
NOW, FOR THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, THE CITY OF PALM BAY USED ALMOST $2 MILLION FROM THREE TWO 908.
THAT IS THE EXACT SAME LOCATION FROM OUR PARK.
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IMPACT FEE THE REVENUE FOR THIS IMMEDIATE LOCATION THAT WE PUT IN ANOTHER AREA TO BUILD A BRIDGE, WE COULD HAVE USED THAT EXACT SAME IMPACT FEE TO PARK IMPACT FEE FUNDS TO FUND FOR HALF OF THIS, MAYBE ALL OF IT, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT $2 MILLION OUT OF 32908 ZIP CODE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.WE COULD HAVE USED THAT FOR HELP FINANCING, HELP MOTIVATING OF THIS.
DON'T STEAL FROM PETER TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER PAYING PAUL.
SO YOU TOOK THE MONEY FROM THREE TWO 908.
AND YOU GAVE THIS MONEY AWAY TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO BUILD A BRIDGE.
YOU COULD HAVE USED THAT TO BENEFIT THE CITY.
THAT COULD HAVE EVENTUALLY BEEN GENERATING REVENUE.
SPARK THE GROWTH OUT IN THE COMPOUND AREA, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HOPE THEY SUCCEED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME BUSINESS OUT THERE.
NEXT SPEAKER. MISS CHRISTIE REID.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRISTIE REID AND I AM FROM MELBOURNE.
THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE MY BMX FAMILY STAND.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO DO DOWN HERE.
THIS IS A FAMILY WE RAISED TOGETHER.
SAINT CLOUD, WHO IS THE TRACK WE WILL TAKE AWAY FROM BY OPENING HERE? BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS THAT LIVE HERE, AND WE GO TO SAINT CLOUD EVERY FRIDAY.
YOU WERE SAYING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A TRACK? THE TRACK IN PORT SAINT LUCIE IS NOT BUILT YET.
COME TO SAINT CLOUD TOMORROW NIGHT.
OUR TRACK OPERATOR FROM OVER THERE.
WELCOME. YOU ALL THERE TO WATCH.
WE RAISED ACTUALLY TWO YEAR OLDS, AND WE DO HAVE OUR SENIOR CLASS, WHICH IS OUR 62 AND 63 YEAR OLD CRUISER RACERS, WHO WE HAVE TWO OF THEM HERE TONIGHT.
AND THEY ALSO RAISED 56 AND OVER EXPERT, WHICH WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM HERE.
ALSO SEVERAL OF THESE GENTLEMEN RACED WITH THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY'RE OUT THERE TOGETHER AND WE ARE TOGETHER.
SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO COME VISIT WITH US TOMORROW NIGHT.
I KNOW BRIAN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU ALL THERE.
SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, COME AND SEE US AND WE HOPE WE CAN GET THIS THING GOING.
AND BY THE WAY, THE STATE RACES HERE.
OUR LARGEST STATE RACE WAS 207 MOTOS WITH 947 RIDERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF JUSTIN REALIZED THAT.
AND THAT WAS AT ORLANDO BMX AT BARNETT PARK.
SO AND WE DO HAVE MORE NUMBERS RACING MOST OF OUR STATE SERIES THAN THEY DO IN NATIONALS.
SO AND WE HAVE A STATE RACE COMING UP NEXT MONTH OR NOT, JANUARY AT OKEEHEELEE.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE 900 RIDERS AND 200 AND SOME MOTOS OVER A TWO DAY PERIOD.
SO BUT THANK YOU AND HOPE YOU SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE TRACK.
THANK YOU. SPEAKER. MISS SANTA ISABEL, RIGHT? GOOD EVENING, SANTA ISABEL.
RIGHT. 858 BRISBANE STREET, NORTH EAST.
I AGREE, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL EVENT.
EVERYBODY'S HERE AND THEY ARE A FAMILY.
I WORKED FOR A PHYSICIAN THAT LIVED FOR HIS KIDS TO BMX.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH DOING THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT FOR BMX.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ATV RIDERS MONTHS AGO, MAYBE OVER A YEAR AGO.
SUZANNE YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, MAYBE NOT.
AND COUNCIL DIDN'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT.
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I'M AN ATV DRIVER.I LOVE TO ATV, SO DOES MY FAMILY.
MY GRANDSON IS EIGHT YEARS OLD AND HE'S ASKED HIS OWN REAL ATV.
THE BMX IS A GOOD IDEA, MAYBE A POOL.
YOU KNOW SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST A SELECT FEW.
BUT THE KIND OF INVESTMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND HAVE EVERYBODY ACCOUNTED FOR AND EVERYBODY TO HAVE A PLACE TO SAY, HEY, I CAN GO ON THE WEEKEND AND RIDE MY ATV WITHOUT HAVING TO THINK ABOUT ANYBODY'S ISSUE COMING UP.
AND I JUST HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO WHERE DID HE GO? COME ON UP. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
RIGHT. AND I THE COMPETITIVE NATURE RIGHT.
BRINGS UP PORT SAINT LUCIE AND ALL THESE OTHER STATES.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHAT THIS YOUNG LADY JUST SAID ABOUT KIND OF LIKE HAVING.
HAVE YOU? IS THERE A VISION WHERE THERE COULD BE ATVS AND BMX ALL WITHIN WITHIN A PARK? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? SO YES AND NO.
AND I'M GOING TO START WITH THE THE.
YES. THESE FACILITIES ARE DESIGNED TO BE ALL WHEEL FACILITIES FOR ANY TYPE OF RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT OR TOY THAT HAS WHEELS AND IS GENERALLY NON-MOTORIZED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EASSIST OR E-BIKES.
IT CAN DO SKATEBOARD SCOOTERS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A SKATE LONGBOARDING RACING LEAGUE IN MIAMI THAT REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE BECAUSE I GUESS THEY ILLEGALLY RACE ON STREETS IN MIAMI ON THEIR LONGBOARDS.
AND THEY WANT TO USE THE FACILITY.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY WORKING WITH WAYS TO ENSURE THAT GROUP SO THEY CAN RACE, HOLD RACES NOT JUST OPEN TO THE PUBLIC USE, WHICH IS WHICH IS WHAT THAT FACILITY IS.
BMX RACING, SKATEBOARDING AND SCOOTERING, HOWEVER, ARE TRADITIONAL FAMILY SPORTS.
THEY DON'T TEND TO FIT IN WELL WITH MOTORIZED VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-MOTORIZED.
RIGHT. WE'VE HAD THOSE IN THE PAST.
I'VE SEEN IT IN THE PAST AND THEY DON'T WORK OUT.
LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, ALL SPORTS ARE GREAT.
I ALSO HAVE ATVS, I RIDE THEM, I LIVE, I LIVE IN THE COUNTRY MYSELF AND IT'S FUN.
IT'S GREAT. IT JUST DOESN'T MIX IN THAT DIRECT LOCATION.
ATV TRAILS ARE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE MOTORIZED.
OKAY. AND YOU SAY IT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL? IT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
WHAT WHAT WHAT MAKES IT NOT SUCCESSFUL? I'M JUST TRYING TO DIG INTO THIS FOR A BIT.
SO IN THE CASES THAT IT HAPPENED, THEY WERE SET OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY, SO AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY IN AN AREA WHERE MOTOCROSS WASN'T REGULATED BY SOUND REGULATIONS.
RIGHT. AND BY PERMITTING AND DIFFERENT ZONING RULES.
RIGHT. AND SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE TAKING A LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELD AND PUTTING IT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY IN HAINES CITY, WHERE LARGE MOTOCROSS TRACKS ARE.
AND, YEAH, ASKING THE FAMILIES TO GO PLAY BASEBALL AT A MOTOCROSS TRACK.
TYPEKIT MY MY LAST QUESTION, SIR.
HAVE YOU GONE BEFORE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL IN THE PAST? YES, SIR. AND WHERE AND WHAT WAS THE DETERMINATION FOR THAT? OUR COMPANY WORKED WITH ROCK HILL, SOUTH CAROLINA.
WE WORKED WITH HOUSTON AND THEY ACTUALLY WORKED.
IT WAS 100% THROUGH THE TOURISM BOARD IN HOUSTON.
SO IS HOUSTON SPORTS AUTHORITY.
THEY ACTUALLY BUILT FACILITY THAT'S HOSTING THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 2028.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR.
THANK YOU. WE'LL BE CALLING YOU BACK.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR.
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I WILL BE CALLING YOU BACK.I WILL, WE WILL BE CALLING YOU BACK.
THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION.
YEAH, BUT NOW WE'RE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OH, WE ARE AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. YOU SAID YOU'D CALL RIGHT BACK.
MR. MARK MILLER, WHAT'S HIS NAME? MARK. PASTOR JUSTIN, WHEN I SAID I'LL CALL YOU BACK, I'M NOT CALLING YOU BACK TO THE DAIS.
WELL, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE DIALOG FOR THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.
WE'RE JUST MOVING ON. MARK MILLER, 898 NELSON AVENUE.
PALM BAY. OBVIOUSLY MOVING ON.
I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND THANK THANK THE CITY COUNCIL.
THANK THE MAYOR, THANK THE CITY.
WE HAD OUR CITY PRAYER WALK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
WE HAD OVER 200 PEOPLE, 12 TO 15 DIFFERENT MINISTRIES SHOWED UP.
COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SHOWED UP WITH HIS FAMILY.
IT WAS A BLESSING. WE STOPPED AND PRAYED OVER THE WORD AT THE LIBRARY.
WE WE PRAYED RIGHT OVER HERE BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MIGHT BE POINTING THE WRONG DIRECTION, BUT ANYWAY, WE PRAYED FOR OUR AWESOME FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE STOPPED AT THE FLAGPOLE THERE AND PRAYED FOR CITY HALL AND THEN, OF COURSE, STOPPED OVER OFF OF ELDERON BETWEEN THE SCHOOLS AND PRAYED FOR OUR YOUTH AND OUR TEACHERS AND ALL OF THAT.
AND IT WAS REALLY A TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS SUCCESS, RIGHT? MORE PEOPLE THAN WE HAVE, EVEN FOR NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.
AND SO WE WANT TO CERTAINLY GET MORE AND MORE PARTICIPANTS.
THERE WAS A SPIRIT OF JOY AND PEACE.
IT REALLY CHANGED THE ATMOSPHERE AS FOLKS WERE WALKING AROUND.
ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DRIVING.
I MEAN, THE GROUP WAS SINGING, THEY WERE WORSHIPING, THEY WERE PRAISING, THEY WERE PRAYING.
IT WAS SUCH A POSITIVE ATMOSPHERE.
EVEN IN THE MIDST OF ALL THE THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND IN OUR EVEN IN OUR OWN CITY.
AND I'M SURE OTHERS CAN TESTIFY TO THAT AS WELL.
BUT IT WAS JUST AN AMAZING, AMAZING EXPERIENCE.
IT WAS OFFICER LUTZ AND OFFICER ROLLINS.
AND ONE CITIZEN PATROL OFFICER JOE LOPEZ, WHO CAME OUT.
THEY THEY THEY TOOK INITIATIVE.
AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, THEY REALLY REPRESENTED THE POLICE IN THIS CITY VERY, VERY WELL.
OFFICER ROLLINS WAS ON THE BICYCLE.
SPEAKING OF BMX. HE WAS ON THE BICYCLE GUY.
DUDE, HE WAS CHECKING WITH EVERYBODY.
HE WAS JUST INCREDIBLY NICE AND POLITE, AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HIM.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS HIS LAST WEEK OR TWO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THOSE GUYS WERE AMAZING, AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
IT JUST SHOWED THEIR PREPARATION.
IT SHOWED THEIR COMMITMENT TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEIR TRAINING.
I MEAN, THEY WERE SO PROACTIVE, MAN.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GOT ON ELDERON WHERE IT'S A LOT NARROWER STREETS AND NARROWER SIDEWALKS.
AND SO I THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FISHER.
SO I KIND OF WANTED TO DIVULGE INTO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE FIRST INCIDENT WE'VE DEALT WITH.
SO I'VE BEEN COMING BEFORE YOU GUYS SINCE SEPTEMBER THE 5TH AND EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE WAY HE HANDLES BUSINESS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND HIS FAILURE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, AND FOR THE FAILURE TO FOR MISS SHERMAN TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL.
HE THE CHIEF DEMANDS LOYALTY TO HIS OFFICE, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THIS.
SO ON JUNE 28TH, OFFICER MITCHELL TASED THE SUBJECT THAT WAS ON TOP OF THE FENCE SIX TIMES.
HE FELL OVER THE FENCE AND PARALYZED HIMSELF IN THE NECK DOWN.
I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND WAS ABLE TO WATCH THAT VIDEO TODAY.
THE OFFICERS BELITTLED, BELITTLED MR. FARLEY SAYING, YOU'RE NOT PARALYZED.
HE TOLD THEM PROBABLY 20 OR 30 TIMES THAT HE WAS PARALYZED.
AND THEY SAID, NO, YOU'RE NOT.
YOU JUST RAN. THEY WERE LAUGHING AT HIM.
OFFICER MASSAGLI, WHO WAS A SERGEANT, WAS ON SCENE, GAVE THE DIRECTIVE TO TASE HIM.
SHE ALSO LATER SAID, I HAVE NO CHARGES.
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SO THIS MAN WAS TASED FOR NO, FOR NO REASON.HE'S STILL PARALYZED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AT HOLMES REGIONAL HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW.
FOR NO REASON, SO I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S DISTURBING TO WATCH IF YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE VIDEO AND THE MAN ON THE GROUND, HE CAN'T MOVE.
THEY'RE TELLING HIM TO MOVE. HE'S SAYING I CAN'T MOVE.
THEN THEY PULL HIM FORWARD, LEANING UP AGAINST THE FENCE.
THEY HAVE TO HOLD HIM UP TO TAKE PICTURES OF HIM.
JUST BELITTLING THIS INDIVIDUAL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF GAVE A STATEMENT SAYING, OH, EVERYTHING WAS GOOD.
WELL, IT WAS ALL FINE AND DANDY.
HE MENTIONED THAT HIS TRAINING TRAINING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED IT AND SO DID HIS TASER EXPERT.
WELL, THEY REVIEWED IT ON OCTOBER THE 30TH AND OCTOBER 31ST.
SHE WAS THE ACTIVE OFFICER TO THE CALL.
SHE SIGNED THE USE OF FORCE REPORT.
SHE RESIGNED THE REPORT. SHE SIGNED THE ARREST AFFIDAVIT.
SHE SIGNED ALL THE AFFIDAVITS.
WHY? AN OFFICER THAT WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION WOULD SIGN ALL THOSE.
DEPUTY CHIEF SPEARS REVIEWED THE REPORT.
SO NOBODY HAS SIGNED THIS REPORT THAT SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE REPORT.
THIS JUST GOES ON WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU GUYS ABOUT THE COVER UPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHY I FIRED THROUGH A FENCE WHERE I COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE SUSPECT.
LATER, HE CHANGED HIS STATEMENT AND SAID IT WAS AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE TO AVOID PROSECUTION.
THESE ARE THE REASONS THAT THE CHIEF IS CAUSING ISSUES WITHIN OUR AGENCY.
YOUR FERRY TO INVESTIGATE MR. SHERMAN'S FAILURE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
THERE SHOULD BE RESIGNATIONS FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
THANK YOU. YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
YES, SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE COMMANDER TULIP COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE TEASING INCIDENT? TO THE TASING INCIDENT? CERTAINLY, YES. YES, MA'AM.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS CASE, MA'AM? I SPOKE TO MR. CRUMP BEFORE THE HIS PRESS CONFERENCE.
CERTAINLY. THE WE'VE GOTTEN THE INFORMATION AND WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH MR. CRUMP AFTER WE'VE HAD OUR ABILITY TO DO OUR OWN INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS THE SAME PROCESS WE USE FOR ANY POTENTIAL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE CITY. WHEN THE ATTORNEYS REACH OUT TO US.
BASICALLY EVERYTHING, ALL OUR POLICY PROCEDURES WERE FOLLOWED.
PROPER PAPERWORK WAS COMPLETED, RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE FORMS WERE DOCUMENTED.
EVERYTHING WAS WAS DONE PROPERLY WITH WITH THE INVESTIGATION? YES. WAS THERE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
OKAY. I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
OKAY. AND THEY OPTED NOT TO INVESTIGATE.
THE FDLE OPTED NOT TO INVESTIGATE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO ALL ALL DOCUMENTS ARE IN ORDER REGARDING THIS? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. LAST QUESTION.
IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNED BY A COMMAND STAFF? THAT THAT COMMENT OF A LIEUTENANT CAN BE AN ACTING COMMANDER'S ROLE.
SO THAT PARTICULAR DAY, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMANDER OR LIEUTENANT PETE RICHARD WAS IN AN ACTING ROLE OR NOT, BUT AT TIMES WHEN THERE IS A COMMANDER ABSENT, THAT LIEUTENANT CAN SIGN THAT DOCUMENT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.
I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR TEN YEARS.
I HAVE A PICTURE I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
YOU WILL RECOGNIZE. MA'AM, YOU CAN'T SPEAK.
DID YOU JUST WANT TO SHOW THE PICTURE? I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT IT.
OKAY, GO. GO BACK TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK.
MA'AM, THAT IS A GARBAGE TRUCK IN MY YARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE LEAKING OF THE.
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YES, MA'AM. YES.YES, MA'AM. WELL, NOW WE'VE GOT LEAKING OF THIS.
NOW, I'VE GOT GLASS COMING IN MY COMMUNITY OUT OF THE.
THAT PAIN CAME OUT AND JUST WENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR ALL OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS I TALKED TO THE THE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE, I DID GET THEY DID GIVE ME THE MONEY TO REDO OUR ROADS. I FOUGHT FOR IT FOR THREE MONTHS.
MA'AM. MA'AM, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR PHONE.
TAKE YOUR PHONE, TAKE YOUR PHONE.
MA'AM. SO THIS IS COMING OFF THE RECYCLE TRUCK, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THERE'S GLASS IN THERE.
YES. IT HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES.
THEY TELL ME THEY'RE GOING TO SEND SOMEBODY UP THERE TO CLEAN IT UP.
WE ARE PAYING THEM EVERY MONTH.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING A THEY RAISE THEIR FEES AND WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.
NOW WE GOT TO PAY FOR CLEANING UP OUR OWN.
AND WE GOT TO DO THIS FOR TEN YEARS WITH THIS COMPANY.
THE COMPANY WE HAD BEFORE WAS VERY GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS CHANGED.
WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS FOR TEN YEARS.
AND IF, IF A TRUCK IS DOING THAT, WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS ARE THEY BUYING? WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED IN HERE, THEY WERE THEY WERE USING THEY.
I CAN TELL BECAUSE I THIS IS MY COMMUNITY.
I HAVE KIDS IN MY COMMUNITY THAT PLAY ON.
THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES ON THE STREET.
WHAT IF ONE OF THEM FALL AND GET CAUGHT, THEIR FACE CUT OFF? THIS IS MY COMMUNITY AND I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT LIVES THERE.
NOW, THEY THEY WERE WHEN THEY FIRST CAME HERE, WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS THEY WERE RENTING TRUCKS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU CALL THEM UP, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON? THIS IS MY COMMUNITY AND I PROTECT MY COMMUNITY AND I WILL NOT STOP.
THANK YOU, MISS OLIVIA. I LOVE YOUR PASSION.
THANK YOU FOR CARING SO MUCH FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS AND IN PARTICULAR, YOUR FAMILY.
I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW WHY.
WHAT KIND OF TROUBLE, MA'AM? I CAN'T. SO YOU CAN SPEAK ON THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS ARE THEY BUYING? ARE THEY USED? WE CAN GET. MA'AM, WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
THOSE THOSE QUESTIONS, I WANT IT.
BUT MOREOVER, I THINK BECAUSE I HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
MOREOVER, MA'AM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO DIG DRILL DEEP INTO THIS BECAUSE I.
YOU'RE NOT THE VERY FIRST PERSON THAT HAS TOLD ME ABOUT THE GLASS ASPECT.
MA'AM, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHARED WITH ME.
I REALIZE THEY'RE BUYING USED TRUCKS AND HAVING THEM PAINTED NEW ON THE OUTSIDE, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY HAVE A GUY FIXING THE BOTTOM OF THESE TRUCKS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN USED.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY GOT TO DO IS THEY GOT TO REPAIR THOSE.
BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.
ARE THEY BUYING USED VEHICLES AND PAINTING OVER AND MAKING THEM LOOK NEW? THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A NEW TRUCK LEAKING PAINT LIKE THAT, WOULD YOU? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
I MAY NOT BE VERY SMART, BUT I THINK I'M SMART.
YES, I SEE, WELL, THANK YOU, MA'AM, WE'VE GOT YOUR INFORMATION.
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ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU.I'M SORRY. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
I UNDERSTAND, MA'AM, THANK YOU.
MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I'VE GOT FOUR ITEMS TO ADDRESS.
EXCUSE ME. THE FIRST ONE IS THANKSGIVING'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
AND YESTERDAY I SHOT MY FIRST TURKEY.
AND LET ME TELL YOU, I SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF EVERYBODY IN THE FROZEN FOOD DEPARTMENT.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM ITEM NUMBER TWO.
NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER 5TH WAS AN ELECTION, RIGHT? AND I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT MY CITY, AND I'M ACTIVELY INVOLVED.
AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE PEOPLE THAT SUCCEEDED.
I ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PEOPLE THAT DID NOT ON THEIR ABILITY TO INVEST IN SOCIETY AS WE SEE IT TODAY AND IT TAKES A IT TAKES A PERSONAL INVESTMENT ON THAT INDIVIDUAL TO DO THAT, THAT IS WILLING TO DO THAT.
SO I GOT TO COMMEND THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND I MEAN THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
ROCKLEDGE HAS A TINY HOMES PROJECT THAT THEY'RE HAVING.
AND IT'S VERY IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AND I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO.
AND I'M JUST THIS IS JUST FOR PROPOSAL ONLY.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE COMMUNITIES AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN.
AND IF WE SAY BECAUSE THEY'LL ALREADY HAVE WATER AND SEWER COMING INTO THEM, BE AVAILABLE THAT HAVE MAYBE ONE SECTION THAT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE TINY HOME COMMUNITY ALONG WITH JUST THE HOUSES OR SOMETHING.
IT COULD HELP WITH SOME OF THAT FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, THAT FIRST HOME THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE.
I'LL PASS IT ON TO SOMEBODY ABOUT HOW ROCKLEDGE IS DOING THAT RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS GAINER ROAD.
WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING BROUGHT IN ON GAINER ROAD.
AND THEY TORE UP ALL THE ALL THE NEW ROADS THAT WE'VE PUT IN.
IT TOOK 35 YEARS FOR ME TO GET A PAVED ROAD OUT THERE.
AND WHAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY DID? THEY TEAR UP OUR ROADS.
SO EVERY CROSSROAD HAS HAD TO BE TORE UP FOR WATER AND SEWER.
YOU NEED TO GET A FULL MILLING IN THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO COVER THE COMPACTION OF IT.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE ROADS.
YES. THANK YOU SIR. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE PATCHES, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE CONDITIONS, BUT I'LL HAVE STAFF GET WITH MR. BATTEN ON THOSE LOCATIONS.
HE QUOTED LIKE 125 K FOR A HOME.
SO YOU KNOW THAT I'M SHARING THAT WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE I FOUND IT INTERESTING.
BUT HIS PASSION WAS LIKE A VETERAN VILLAGE OF SOME SORT.
GOOD EVENING. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
ALMOST. I LIVED NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE, OFF OF MALABAR ROAD, AND I HAVE TO USE MAYWOOD STREET TO COME OUT. AND IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
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CASE IN POINT THIS AFTERNOON FOR ME TO MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN.I HAD TO WAIT ALMOST 15 MINUTES.
AND EARLIER LAST MONTH THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT.
I HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH RIGHT AFTER THE CITY HALL AT OUR LADY OF GRACE.
I HAVE TO LEAVE MY HOUSE LIKE HALF AN HOUR EARLIER SO I COULD EXCEED THAT STREET.
I THINK IT'S TIME TO UPGRADE NOW TO A FOUR WAYS, FULL STOP SO THAT CAN ALLEVIATE THE SITUATION.
I HAD CONTACTED MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS TO DO A PETITION SO WE CAN ALL COME AND VOICE AT THIS CONCERN TOGETHER, BUT THIS AFTERNOON WAS NOT DOABLE FOR SOME OF THEM TO BE HERE AND RAISE THIS ISSUE TOGETHER.
AND I HAVE RECEIVED A PIECE OF MAIL THAT THEY ARE EXPANDING FROM HERITAGE PARKWAY TO MAINTAIN, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT MAP THAT WILL BE THAT THEY WILL TOUCH THIS PARTICULAR STREET TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR US THAT LIVE INSIDE THAT COMMUNITY.
THERE IS A PDA STUDY THAT WILL BE THERE'S A MEETING GOING ON EXTENDING FROM MINTON ROAD TO HERITAGE.
BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE YOU'RE SUGGESTING AA4 WAY STOP.
WHERE ARE YOU SUGGESTING, MAHOOD.
BECAUSE WHEN I LEAVE HERE, I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN, AND I HAVE TO TURN RIGHT.
AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU WANT A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN? WHERE? AT THAT PARTICULAR STREET.
HIS FATHER, ACTUALLY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO DIED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
OH, YEAH. IT IS A IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
YEAH. IF YOU'RE IF YOU GO PAST.
YEAH. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE APARTMENT.
YEAH. THE FALLS. THE FALLS COMPLEX.
AND. YES. SO I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MISS MARLIN AND OTHERS WITH THAT INTERSECTION.
I THINK I'VE ON THAT VERY WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
YEAH, IT IS IT IS DEFINITELY IT'S A CHALLENGING INTERSECTION.
STAFF IS DEFINITELY AWARE OF IT.
AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER CHALLENGES AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN.
TRAFFIC, HOW THEY CROSS THE, THE THE INTERSECTION.
YOU GOT A DOG THERE, TOO? CORRECT. RIGHT. I GOT YOU.
SO THIS IS CERTAINLY, I THINK, POINT WELL TAKEN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S GETTING WORSE.
YES. I DON'T KNOW IF A STOP SIGN IS THE SOLUTION, BUT BEING SUCH A HIGH TRAVEL CORRIDOR.
BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING CAN BE.
I'M THINKING THE FLASHING LIGHTS.
I THINK STAFF'S ALREADY TAKING NOTES, SO WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO IT, I'M SURE.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. MADAM SHERMAN AND ALSO WAS MENTIONED.
BUT THE THE MEETING THAT'S NEXT WEEK WITH FDOT ON THE WIDENING OF MALABAR.
THE ONE THAT IS YOU GOT THE NOTICE ON.
PROBABLY, BUT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
MAYWOOD IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR SIGNALS.
ROUNDABOUT TYPE OF SOME SORT OF SOLUTION.
THANK YOU. AND MY SECOND ISSUE IS STANDING WATER IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
SOME NIGHTS I FEEL LIKE JUST ABANDON THIS PROPERTY COMPLETELY.
AND I SWEAR I HAVE CALLED COMPANY TO SPRAY AND I CALL PUBLIC WORK ABOUT THE STANDING WATER.
AND THEY ASK YOU TO LEAVE A MESSAGE.
AND I'VE BEEN LEAVING MESSAGES AND I DON'T CALL ANYMORE.
MY THIRD ITEM IS FOR A NEIGHBOR.
SHE IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE BECAUSE SHE HAD TO TRAVEL THIS MORNING.
SHE WANTED ME TO ASK QUESTION FOR HER IN REGARD OF SEPTIC.
THERE IS A DECISION THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE ABOUT SEPTIC WILL BE CHANGED.
AND THE MY FRIEND'S HOUSE WAS BUILT LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONFLICTING ISSUE WITH THE BUILDER THAT TOLD THEM THAT THEY COULD NOT HAVE A SEWER, AND THEN HE YOU FIND OUT THAT WAS A LIE, BECAUSE THE HOUSE NEXT TO HIM ALREADY HAD SOLD.
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AND THE BUILDER TOLD HIM, NO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE SEWER AVAILABLE IN THAT PARTICULAR STREET.AND I THINK THAT WAS MISLEADING.
SO NOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY WILL BE CONVERTED ALL SEWERS INTO ALL SEPTIC INTO SEWERS, AND HE WANTS ME TO GET INFORMATION FOR HIM TO KNOW HOW TO CONTACT AND WHO TO CONTACT.
WELL, WE COULD DEFINITELY GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION.
THE ISSUE WITH THE THE OWNER, YOUR NEIGHBOR.
RIGHT. YOU'RE THE OWNER IS FOR HIM TO TAKE THAT UP WITH ACTUAL BUILDER.
HOW HOW OLD IS THE HOUSE? TWO YEARS. SO I THINK HE STILL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, GET AN ATTORNEY AND TRY TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE STANDING WATER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I'D LIKE FOR I THINK IT'S DULY NOTED.
SO WE COULD GO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR HOME.
I ACTUALLY SEE OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BACK THERE.
SO RAISE YOUR HAND, VALENTINO.
YOU SEE THAT YOUNG MAN WITH A NICE LOOKING BEARD? GO AND SAY HELLO TO HIM AND STAY IN TOUCH WITH HIM FOR A SECOND, OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. MA'AM.
IF I MAY ASK, MR. CHAIRMAN, A QUICK QUESTION.
THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S NO ENTRANCE OR EXIT FOR THAT PARTICULAR.
IT'S IT'S A STREET PARALLEL TO MALABAR.
CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US A LITTLE BIT? WHY IS THAT? THAT THAT MAY BE WHY MAY WOULD END UP.
END UP. YEAH. IMPACT BEING IMPACTED SO MUCH I'VE SEEN IT.
AND I MEANT TO ASK, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BELVEDERE WEST SIDE JUST WEST OF THERE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A PIPE FAILURE.
THIS WAS ON THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL.
DO YOU REMEMBER SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW JUST LEFT THE ROOM? I APOLOGIZE. THEY JUST STEPPED OUT.
WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
YES, YES. AND WHILE YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT.
EVEN FURTHER WEST, THERE'S THERE WAS A BRIDGE THAT CONNECTED MALABAR ROAD TO A CHURCH.
YEAH. AND THAT THAT'S STILL CLOSED.
YEAH. WELL, THAT THAT ROAD, THE PIPE UNDER THAT ROAD WAS NOT MAINTAINED BY THE OWNER.
IT WAS BECAUSE THAT PIPE WAS BLOCKING THE WATER FROM FLOWING IN THE CANAL THERE.
SO IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO RESOLVE THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
WE CAN GET YOU THE DETAILS ON BELVEDERE.
I DON'T KNOW. I FORGOT YOU GUYS WERE ON THE BACK ROW THERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? TO SHARE WITH COUNSEL THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF ON IT? COME UP SIR.
COME ON. JOSE. COME ON UP HERE.
GOOD EVENING. I JUST WANT TO SAY THE CHURCH DRIVEWAY.
IT WAS A DRIVEWAY. NOT NOT A NOT A CITY ROAD.
IT WAS PULLED OUT. SO TO GET IT, PUT IT BACK IN, THEY HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, GET IT PERMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS ON THAT, BUT.
BELVEDERE. IT DID FAIL, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE IT.
OKAY. SO. AND WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE IT, WHAT IS THERE AN ESTIMATION? WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YES. WELL, WE I GUESS WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PLANS PUT TOGETHER.
THERE'S CONFLICTS WITH UTILITY LINES THAT WE GOT TO WORK OUT.
THERE'S ALTERNATIVE EXITS FROM THERE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE LOCKING ANYBODY IN FOR THE MOMENT.
SO WITH ALL THE HURRICANE STUFF THAT CAME UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF IT'S IT'S GOING TO GET IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GET A PIPE PUT BACK IN, AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A TEMPORARY I'M SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A TEMPORARY PIPE IN JUST TO YOU KNOW, GET IT TO FLOW AND WORK THAT WAY.
BUT EVERYTHING'S WORKING FINE RIGHT NOW, SO.
BUT BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO DEPUTY MAYOR'S POINT IN ON THE THE SOUTH CROSSOVER, BECAUSE NOW YOU ONLY HAVE ONE POINT OF ACCESS TO MALABAR ROAD.
YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR ARGUMENT IS, CORRECT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SIR, THERE WAS A JOINT WE'RE COORDINATING WITH TILLMAN WITH MELVIN TILLMAN.
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SO IT'S OKAY, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.THANK YOU. JOSE. APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE BRIEF.
GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL ROBERT STICE, 1796 WINWARD DRIVE SOUTHEAST.
MR. MAYOR, I THOUGHT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WE MAY NEED AN ORDINANCE TO COMPEL THE OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE TO TREAT THOSE PONDS WITH THE ONES WITH ALL THE LILY PADS IN THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW HAS THAT ORDINANCE STARTED? BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE ONE PERSON OWNS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ALL THE HOUSES ON SEVERAL AREAS.
NUMBER TWO, CAN YOU PUT UP THE SLIDE THERE, THE SLIDES.
SUMMERFIELD HOA AND THIS IS, THIS IS GARDEN BROOK.
NOW, I DID MEET TWO, TWO GENTLEMEN FROM THE CITY TODAY.
WE WENT AROUND THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALTHOUGH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT LIKE THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS, BUT WHAT I.
WHAT I WANT, AND I'M MENTIONING I'M DEALING WITH DENNIS.
WHO SENT YOU? GENTLEMAN? A DRIVER FROM WHERE? I'M SORRY. YOU SPOKE TO A DRIVER FROM.
FROM REPUBLIC. THIS IS REPUBLIC.
SORRY. OKAY. SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THEY FINISH MOST OF THEIR ROUTE, THEY STAY THERE.
NOW THESE COULD BE NEWER TRUCKS.
THERE ARE NO NEWER TRUCKS GOT TO BE WORKED IN BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF COMMON LEAK.
NOW THE TWO GENTLEMEN AND I, WE WALKED THROUGH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN SEE A PATH IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE VIDEO WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY LEAKED AND NOT THE BIG SPOTS, BUT THE ONES TOWARDS THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THAT PATTERN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK ALL OF ROAD JUST GOT PAVED.
WHAT? WE DO IT ON A ON A BI WEEKLY BI ANNUAL BASIS SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
NOW. I RAN A I WAS A DISTRICT OFFICE MANAGER FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
I'M TRYING TO HURRY. THEY DROP ANYTHING ON THE GROUND, THEY CONTINUE TO GO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.
THEY HAVE TO MEET THEIR STATS OR THEY DON'T GET THE BONUS.
THEY HAVE TO MEET THEIR NUMBER.
SO BEING THAT ALL OF THESE TRAILERS ARE TRASH, TRUCKS ARE TYPICALLY AUTOMATED.
THEY PICK UP AND GO AND THEY PICK UP AND GO.
AND THOSE CYLINDERS ARE USED SO MUCH.
SO YOU HAVE THIS ALL THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW I WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GOING TO FIX ALL OF THIS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN ABOUT ALMOST EVERY AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND AFTER MY HOA THEY HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER HOA AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS.
SO I AM FOLLOWING UP WITH CITY STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON? THE OTHER THE OTHER THING, IF I IF I CAN, I READ MOST OF THE CONTRACT AND IT THIS CONTRACT IS NOT A GOOD CONTRACT WITH THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU. YEAH. WE WE'VE WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES NAVIGATING IT EVEN FROM BEFORE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE FELT THAT YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE NOT GONE INTO A CONTRACT, TEN YEAR CONTRACT IN THE MIDST OF COVID, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT.
BUT THE POINT IS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I REALIZE THAT WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE OF THESE.
WHETHER WE HAVE TO BRING REPUBLICAN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
YES, SIR. BUT AT THIS POINT, MY CONCERN IS, LIKE MRS SAID, THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED BY THIS, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND HAVE THEM HAVE THEM ADDRESS IT.
SO IF WE CAN SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THEM AND JUST LET THEM KNOW OF THE URGENCY OF THIS.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO NOW WE'RE ON CONSENT AND DEPUTY MAYOR.
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YES, MAYOR.[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE FOLLOWING SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN, 12 AND 14.ANYONE ELSE WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
OKAY. MR. MAYOR THE CITY MANAGER PULLED ITEMS 13 AND 16 FROM THE CONSENT 13 AND 16.
OKAY. SO THOSE WERE WITHDRAWN, SIR.
CONTINUED. YEAH. YEAH, THEY WERE WITHDRAWN COMPLETELY.
SO THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE MOTION.
SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OKAY. WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC OR MADAM SHERMAN.
[2. Resolution 2024-43, amending Resolution 2024-33, which established rates, fees and charges pursuant to the Code of Ordinances for specified chapters and sections therein.]
ADOPTING RATES, CHARGES AND FEES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 THROUGH 2025 PURSUANT TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR CHAPTERS AND SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS SPECIFIED HEREIN.RESCINDING RESOLUTIONS OR PARTS OF RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]
THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.PUBLIC HEARINGS. AGENDA ITEMS NUMBERS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, EIGHT, AND NINE.
ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.
COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.
THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS.
THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.
THE COUNSEL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC.
EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.
DASH 45, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF ALL TEN SINGLE TO MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTIES TO 15 SINGLE TO MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU. MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS ONE.
DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY SPEAKER CARDS OR ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? YES, SIR.
BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I UNDERSTAND THE FACT OF OUR ORDINANCE CHANGING AND STUFF.
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ALL ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY TO AN RM 15.WE'RE INCREASING IT. ALONG WITH THAT, THERE WAS ALSO BOUNDARY CHANGING.
SO I PERSONALLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ORDINANCE 2445 JUST BECAUSE IT WAS TAKING A LOWER DENSITY POPULATION AND OVER OVERPOPULATING THE AREA.
THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. NOT FOR THIS ITEM.
OKAY. MADAM SHERMAN, ANY CONCLUDING REMARKS HERE? OH, NO, SIR. THANK YOU.
OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.
GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? NO, SIR.
NO, SIR. OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 46, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF ALL SF ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTIES TO RS ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MADAM SHERMAN.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. OKAY.
SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL OR DEPUTY MAYOR.
FELIX. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
NOW, THIS ONE IS IS BASED ON THE BM.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE THE URBAN MIX BAYFRONT MIX BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BAYFRONT COMMUNITY.
NO, SIR. THIS IS THIS IS THIS ITEM TWO.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SF ONE.
THIS IS THAT SINGLE PROPERTY THAT'S ALONG US.
ONE IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY AFFECTING ONE PROPERTY.
ONE PROPERTY, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BAYFRONT PARTICULAR COPY I'M TRACKING.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OR ITEM NUMBER 4 OR 5? WHERE AM I ON THREE? THREE. ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF ALL BMV BAYFRONT, MIXED USE VILLAGE DISTRICT ZONING.
KUMU URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF ON THAT.
YES, SIR. THIS ONE IS THE AS YOU WERE REFERENCING THE REZONING OF THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE VILLAGE DISTRICT TO THE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH IS A NEW CATEGORY IN THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO. YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU. I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF WITH THE LAST ONE.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT.
SO MOVED. SECOND, A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.
SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 56, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF ALL BMU BAYFRONT MIXED USE DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTIES TO CMU COMMUNITY MIXED USE DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MR. SHERMAN. YES, SIR.
THIS IS SIMPLY THE CHANGE FROM BAYFRONT MIXED USE TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
NEED A MOTION OR ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. NEED A MOTION.
DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS.
WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AND THE MACCABEES ARE STILL HERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED THIS UP SOONER.
I THOUGHT WE'D GET SOONER TO YOU.
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MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2457, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT EIGHT BLOCK 2026 PORT MALABAR.ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT, BOOK 22, PAGE 61 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 1475 MARTINEZ STREET SOUTHEAST, AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR EIGHT FOOT VACATE OF THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT AND MY BACKYARD TO PUT IN A POOL. THANK YOU SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS COUNSELOR? THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT.
YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.
SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
UNIT 13, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15, PAGE 56 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
GOOD EVENING. I'M MARIE BROCCOLI.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN A POOL IN OUR BACKYARD.
I AM TOLD THAT I HAVE TO GET AN EASEMENT OF VACANCY.
SO WHAT? I'M TOLD I NEED TO GET TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IN A 12 BY 24 POOL.
THANK YOU MA'AM, I APPRECIATE YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT COUNCIL? OKAY. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.
SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
YES, MAYOR. WE JUST ALLOW THE COURT REPORTER TO SET UP.
ABSOLUTELY. CAN WE JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? IN THE MEANTIME, MA'AM, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER HEARING, OKAY? YES, MA'AM. SIR. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MISS SMITH, RESOLUTION 2024, DASH 40.
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DOCK WITHIN FC FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT ZONING.
WE ALREADY CALLED THE MEETING.
WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD? THE VICINITY EAST OF CLAREMONT STREET AND LILA DESCRIBED HERE IN GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, CONCERNED CITIZENS.
I'M WITH NASON, YEAGER, GERSON, HARRIS AND ROMERO.
I REPRESENT RICK AND JOYCE PARABELLE.
IF MY CLIENT'S HAD A HOME THAT WAS ON A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL AT THE WATER, THEY WOULD ALREADY BE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ACCESSORY USES TO THEIR THEIR HOME.
BUT THEY'RE NOT. THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS QUITE LARGE, AND IT HAS A PORTION THAT IS RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S WHERE THEIR LITTLE HOUSE IS.
AND THEN AT THE WATER IT'S FLOODWAY CONSERVATION.
AND IN THE MIDDLE IT'S INSTITUTIONAL.
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AT THE TIME, THE COUNCIL WAS WARY ABOUT REZONING SOMETHING THAT WAS AT THE WATER'S EDGE THAT WE WANTED FOR THE FLOODING.AND INSTEAD, AT THE TIME, MISS SCHABER, SHE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT.
EVEN COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON SAID, ALL RIGHT, GO GET YOUR PERMIT WITHIN YOUR ZONING RESTRICTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, SO IN FURTHERANCE OF THE RESOLUTION, THAT'S BEFORE YOU.
HE'S GONE THROUGH A CONTRACTOR.
HE DEVELOPED THIS CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
EVERYTHING WAS EVERYBODY WAS FAIRLY SATISFIED.
THEY'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION MEETING, THEY COMBINE THEIR PARCELS AND WE HAVE THE STAFF APPROVAL, WHICH WILL BE LEANING VERY HEAVILY ON FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. SO WE JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU ALLOW THIS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, BECAUSE IT ALIGNS HIS PARCEL WITH THE REST OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE ALONG THE WATER. AND OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
MR.. PALM BAY WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU.
I NEED BACKUP. I JUST RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CALL HIM UP WITH ME.
SO THAT IS ALL WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? YES, SIR.
GO AHEAD. MENTION THE PARTICIPATION MEETING.
HOW WAS THAT? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD RESPONDED? AND WHAT WAS THE. WHAT WAS THE OVERALL SENTIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORS? WE HAD 13 PARTICIPANTS.
AND THE CONCERNS WERE PRIMARILY A IS THIS DOCK GOING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL CHARACTERISTIC TO IT? THE ANSWER IS NO. HE JUST WANTS HIS DOCK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND YOU KNOW AND THEN DEP FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SAINT JOHN'S.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO RELY ON THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMIT TO SAY WE SENT IN THE PLAN.
THEY LOOKED AT THE PLAN, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NO CONCERNS ABOUT HYDROLOGY.
SO THE TWO ISSUES WERE WHERE'S IT GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL MEANING IS IT GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC? NO. AND ALSO WHETHER THERE'S SOME ISSUE WITH WATER FLOW.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SIR.
SO, MADAM CHAIRMAN, ANY STAFF COMMENTS ON THIS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF COMMENTS OTHER THAN JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE THE RESOLUTION AND THE ZONING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CONSERVATION DISTRICT, NOT FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
OKAY. AND ALSO, WAS THERE SOME CLEARING? IS THIS THE PROPERTY? AM I REMEMBERING THIS CORRECTLY.
WAS THIS THE PROPERTY THAT THERE WAS SOME CLEARING DONE THAT? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.
STAFF CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR.
LISA FRAZIER, OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
GOOD EVENING. I'M SORRY. LISA FRAZIER, GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
THERE WAS SOME ILLEGAL CLEARING.
OUR UNDERSTANDING WE FOLLOWED UP WITH IT.
DEP GOT INVOLVED, AND OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WERE.
THEY WERE REMOVING EXOTIC PLANTS SUCH AS BRAZILIAN PEPPER AND CLEARING THINGS OUT FOR THAT PURPOSE.
I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
OKAY. SO THAT THAT'S BEEN ADJUSTED, BUT THEY CLEARED IT OFF.
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NOT ALL. NOT EVERYTHING IN THE RIGHT BY THE WATER THERE.THAT WAS ILLEGAL SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
YES. YEAH. NO, I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME VIOLATIONS THERE.
AND I REMEMBER BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT AREA, THE TURKEY CREEK AREA.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I JUST I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER THAT, BUT TO PUT A DOCK IN THAT AREA, I'M NOT SURE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A PROPER USE.
IS IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A CONSERVATION AREA, IS IT NOT? YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR HESITANCY.
BELIEVE ME. STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THIS SIDEWAYS AND UP AND DOWN.
THEY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEY HAVE A DOCK IN THE WATER.
AND SO IN THIS SITUATION, THAT HOME IS WAY UP THE SLOPE OR WAY UP THE ROAD HERE, HOWEVER.
AND THEN THAT'S ALL CONSERVATION AREA.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, THAT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR CONSERVATION AREA CONSERVATION EASEMENTS TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE DOCKS AND BOARDWALKS OVER THE WETLAND AREA.
THE ARMY CORPS, ACTUALLY, I'M PROBABLY GETTING MORE INTO THE WEEDS THAN WE NEED TO, BUT CARRY ON.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN CLEARANCE.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN WIDTH OF THE BOARD SO THAT THERE'S STILL WATER.
SO WHO REGULATES THAT? THE ARMY CORPS. THE ARMY CORPS AND THE DEP.
YEAH. AND AND THEY HAVE THEIR PERMIT.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, IF I MAY.
YEAH. MISS FRAZIER, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, YOU YOU CORRECTLY CLAIM THAT THAT MR. BILL ILLEGALLY CLEARED THAT LAND.
THAT LAND BELONGS TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, DOESN'T IT? NO, SIR.
I BELIEVE THAT THE CONSERVATION AREA THAT HE WAS CLEARING, IT'S IT'S PART OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY COMES DOWN LIKE THIS. OH, YOU'RE THINKING TO THE.
I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING MY EAST OUT.
I THINK THAT'S EAST OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
IS THAT'S NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND I DO APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER IF THEY WERE OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE FOR THE CLEARING, I CAN TELL YOU THEY WERE TO THAT CITY OWNED PROPERTY THEY WERE CLEARING.
THANK YOU. I'D DEFER THAT TO THEIR ATTORNEY.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR QUESTION? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY SPEAKER CARDS? YES, MAYOR.
BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
AS YOU KNOW, I TRY TO STAY ACTIVELY INVOLVED, AND I QUESTION AND I CHALLENGE.
THIS IS THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL THAT WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO SEND ME A FULL PACKET, WHICH I GREATLY APPRECIATE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL, SAYS MR. BATTEN. I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
HE SENT ME FULL PACKETS FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, FROM THE DEEP.
FROM THE LETTERS OF CITY OF PALM BAY.
DEALING WITH THIS BECAUSE I WAS.
I WAS CHALLENGING HIM OF CLEARING OF THE LAND.
AND I THINK THE BEST THING THAT I CAN SAY IS AN INDIVIDUAL.
HE MADE HIMSELF. HE MADE IT WHOLE AGAIN.
THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN SAY IT.
IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURE, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
THE PICTURE OF ALL THE BRAZILIAN PEPPER COMING INTO IT.
THAT'S WHAT HE CLEARED. HE MADE A MISTAKE OF BRINGING IN HEAVY EQUIPMENT WHEN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT IN HEAVY EQUIPMENT ALONG THE PROCESS, BUT HE PAID THE PRICE FOR THAT. HE PAID A SEVERE PRICE FOR THAT.
AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS WHAT HE'S TURNED IT INTO FOR ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN.
BUT HE DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO AND PREVIOUSLY I'VE SPOKEN AGAINST IT, BUT AS I'M LOOKING MORE AND MORE AT THE REPORTS, I SEE THE INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE HE WASN'T DOING IT FOR A PROFIT. HE WASN'T DOING IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY.
TO HAVE A DOCK ON TURKEY CREEK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, THAT OWNS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
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SO IN ME, I'M CHANGING MY POINT OF VIEW AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I'VE MADE AGAINST THIS.AND I SEE IT AS HE DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
AND I APPRECIATE THE INDIVIDUAL GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO SAY, MR. BATTEN, HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
AND I DIDN'T AT THE TIME, BUT AFTER ALL THE INFORMATION HE GAVE ME, I SEE IT NOW.
THAT'S NOT COMMERCIAL. HE'S MET THE CRITERIA.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF. YOU MAKE A GREAT ATTORNEY ONE DAY.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO, SIR. OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE.
OH. DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AGAIN? AND. OKAY.
THANK YOU. JUST REAL QUICK IN REBUTTAL.
THE ISSUE ABOUT THE CLEARING THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO PUT THAT IN YOUR PACKET.
AND IT'S A LETTER FROM THE DEP ADDRESSING WHAT HAPPENED.
AND SO SURE, MR. BELL WANTED TO CLEAR THIS AREA IN ORDER TO GET SOME NATURAL RECRUITMENT IN ORDER TO GET SOME NATIVE SPECIES IN.
AND THE ISSUE WAS THAT HE HE TORE OUT THE BRAZILIAN PEPPER INSTEAD OF CUTTING IT.
SO AFTER THAT THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, BAD BOY.
HE TOOK HIS SLAP ON THE WRIST AND HE REPLANTED IN THE WAY THAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO, YOUR HONOR, THERE IS AN ISSUE ABOUT THE FLOOD RATE CONSERVATION.
IT'S GOING TO FLOOD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED ARE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC FACILITIES, CAMPING AREAS OR THINGS THAT ARE RELATIVELY FLAT.
AND SO WE UNDERSTAND HE'S GOING TO FLOOD OUT PROBABLY.
AND THAT WILL BE THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION PARTIAL DOING ITS JOB.
BUT WHEN IT'S NOT FLOODING OUT, HE JUST WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TO HAVE HIS DOCK.
SO THOSE I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES.
ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE? OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING US DOWN MEMORY LANE FOR IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR THING.
GET THE PERMITS, COME BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE HELD.
THEY HOLD EVERYTHING TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN WE EVER COULD IN REGARDS TO THE ARMY CORPS.
HE ALREADY DID THE TIME OR DID THE PAYMENT.
SO DONE WHAT HE HAD TO DO AND PAID HIS DUES.
SO I'LL BE IN SUPPORT FOR THIS.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR US, FOR A PROPERTY OWNER, FOR A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THAT'S ALL. MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR, MAYOR, I WOULD ECHO EVERYTHING COUNCILMAN JOHNSON MENTIONED, AND I WOULD JUST ADD, AS MR. BATTEN SAID, I REALLY ADMIRE A RESIDENT THAT GOES OUT.
I MEAN, NOT JUST OUT OF HIS WAY, BUT DID EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUIRED OF HIM TO DO BECAUSE PRIOR APPLICATION AND THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT WHERE BRETT BED AND BREAKFAST WASN'T PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WASN'T IN FAVOR OF IT.
SO I DON'T I WOULD AGREE THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO STOP IT.
RIGHT? I WOULD CERTAINLY BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE IN ADDITION TO TO MR. BILL ILLEGALLY CLEARING THAT THAT LAND.
AND, YES, HE HAD TO MITIGATE AND PLANT NATIVE SPECIES AFTER HE WAS CAUGHT.
HE ALSO AND NOBODY'S MENTIONED AS TO HE ALSO BUILT A, A BOAT RAMP ILLEGALLY WITHOUT PERMITS IN THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT AGAIN. AND WHEN THAT WAS CAUGHT, HE HAD TO REMOVE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN MR. PREBBLE BOUGHT THIS LAND.
SO HE DID FILE A UNITY OF TITLE TO CONNECT, TO CONNECT ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.
BUT HE KNEW THAT WHEN HE BOUGHT IT THAT THIS WAS A CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, WITH MR. PREVIOUS HISTORY, WITH THIS PROPERTY DOING THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO UNTIL HE GOT CAUGHT.
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I ABSOLUTELY WILL OPPOSE THIS.OKAY. SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT SORRY.
AS A POINT OF ORDER. BEGGING YOUR PARDON, SIR.
WE'VE. SIR, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS HERE, RIGHT? ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WAS ABLE TO REMOVE THAT.
HERE'S HERE'S THE MY MY DILEMMA RIGHT HERE.
RIGHT. IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE'S A HISTORY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
YES, SIR. AND WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX ARE SAYING? LISTEN, HE HE MITIGATED THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE MITIGATED THE BOAT RAMP ASPECT OF IT, BUT THE CONSERVATION.
YEAH. HE REMOVED THE BOAT RAMP.
SO HE HAD TO MITIGATE IN THAT SENSE.
RIGHT. SO THERE WAS A HEFTY FINE TO THAT, RIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT IS HIS INTENTION.
CERTAINLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL.
SO THE BED AND BREAKFAST IS OUT.
RIGHT. SO THIS IS THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON.
HE MIGHT HAVE DONE THINGS THE WRONG WAY.
MAYBE HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.
EITHER WAY, HE PAID THE PRICE.
AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RIGHT OUR WRONGS, YOU KNOW.
RIGHT. CAN CAN HE BE TRUSTED? IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILMAN WEINBERG? THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CAN HE BE TRUSTED MOVING FORWARD? AND THAT'S WHERE MY DILEMMA IS.
BUT TO BRING IN THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND DO THE WHOLE THING.
SO MY MY DILEMMA IS I'M ON THE FENCE RIGHT HERE.
BUT I'M PUTTING MYSELF IN HIS SHOES, AND I MADE A MISTAKE, AND I PAID FOR IT.
YES, MA'AM. DID YOU WANT TO INTERCEDE? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.
I KNOW WE DID BRING UP THE HISTORY, AND THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.
BUT NOW THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO GRANT THE CONDITIONAL USE, I'M REALLY GOING TO NEED COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON 185 .043, SUBSECTION D THREE. THE FACTORS IN THE.
BECAUSE THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, WHETHER WE HAVE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO BELIEVE THAT HE HAS PROVIDED EVIDENCE THAT HE MEETS THOSE CONDITIONS, AND IF NOT, IF WE CAN IDENTIFY WHICH CONDITIONS HE DID NOT MEET AND WHAT EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THAT, BECAUSE IF HE'S MET ALL OF THOSE AND STAFF SUPPORTS IT, AND WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE, COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AGAINST IT, OF COURSE, COUNCIL KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS, THEN THE COUNCIL SHOULD GRANT IT.
SO I JUST I KNOW THOSE FACTORS ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT SO WE CAN GO BACK.
MAYBE LET'S REVIEW AGAIN THESE FACTORS AND IT'S FINE TO GET THE HISTORY.
AND HE'S IDENTIFIED THE HISTORY.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT CORRECTION.
NUMBER TWO, I THINK THEY DID ADDRESS THE THE WRONGS THAT WERE DONE.
AND I I'M, I'M STILL ON THE FENCE.
BASED ON ON THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW.
IS THERE ADEQUATE EGRESS? IS THERE GOING TO BE YEAH.
WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IT'S NOT.
THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BED AND BREAKFAST.
HE JUST WANTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIVER, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
YOU BUY A HOUSE? YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE DONE A FEW THINGS, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS A BOAT DOCK, WHY SHOULDN'T WE ALLOW HIM TO HAVE ONE? SO I'M I'M DEFINITELY VOTING ON THAT.
SO ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES 3 TO 1.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION 2024, DASH 42.
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OH, YES, MA'AM.CARRY ON. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, MISS SMITH.
WHICH PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO EMERSON DRIVE NORTHWEST AND IN THE VICINITY EAST OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
GOOD EVENING, ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BSC CONSULTANTS.
AS USUAL, THE STAFF REPORT DOES A GREAT JOB OF OUTLINING THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR YOU.
RESIDENTS ARE MOVING TO PALM BAY.
YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THEIR PEOPLE ARE COMING IN DROVES.
SO FOLKS ARE COMING. WE LOVE THAT.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THEIR STUFF? THEY NEED NEED PLACES TO PUT THEIR THINGS WHEN THEY'RE TEMPORARILY MOVING IN AND OUT AND DOWNSIZING THEIR HOME.
THERE'S 4000 HOMES PLANNED FOR THIS LOCATION.
THERE'S 1400 CURRENTLY EITHER BUILT OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE BALANCE OF THAT 4000 UNITS IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKWAY.
THERE IS NOT A STORAGE FACILITY WITHIN TWO AND A HALF MILES OF THIS LOCATION.
SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT STORAGE SITES IS BEING PROXIMAL TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES SO THAT IT'S AN EASY IT'S AN EASY COMMUTE TO GET TO THOSE LOCATIONS.
THE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS HAVING THE COMPETITION IN THE AREA KEEPS PRICES AFFORDABLE, SO THAT THERE ISN'T ANY PRICE GOUGING FOR YOUR RESIDENTS AND FOLKS IN PALM BAY.
IT'S A GREAT TAX BASE FOR THE CITY WITHOUT ACTUALLY TAXING ANY OF YOUR FACILITIES.
RIGHT? LIKE YOUR MS, YOUR POLICE FIRE.
THE ROADS IN PARTICULAR WERE THE LOWEST PRODUCING COMMERCIAL TYPE USE FOR ANY OF YOUR ROADWAYS, WHICH IS A HUGE BENEFIT SPECIFICALLY OR PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE INTERSECTION THAT WE'RE AT. WE'RE IN THE VICINITY OF EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY.
I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND PERMITTED.
WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT FOR THE CITY TO LET THAT GO.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL ROADWAY PARALLEL TO OUR PARALLEL TO OUR EAST SIDE.
PROVIDE THE LENNOX DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS AT 840 UNIT RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS CALLED THE TIMBERS, WORKED WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AND SO WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA.
AND THERE'S A TRACT ALONG THEIR NORTH PROPERTY LINE THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM LIKE 95 TO 115FT WIDE.
A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT MAINTAINS THE EXISTING VEGETATION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TALL PINE TREES.
YOU COULD GO OUT THERE TODAY AND YOU CAN SEE THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE HOME PADS ARE, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY SEE THE BUFFER THAT'S GOING TO BE REMAINING IN ITS NATURAL STATE.
SO IN ADDITION TO AGAIN, THE CODE REQUIRED SELF-STORAGE FACILITY BUFFER AND THE THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ON THAT OTHER SIDE, THE MAXIMUM IS 115FT, WITH THE MINIMUM BEING 70FT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS.
AND I THINK I MENTIONED EARLIER ESTHETICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING.
SO IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT THE OLD SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES OF YORE WITH BIG ROLL UP GARAGE DOORS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PAINTED A, YOU KNOW, ORANGE OR A RED COLOR TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE LOCATION. THEY REALLY ARE MEANT TO BE A FACADE AND BLEND IN, TO BLEND IN.
YOU GUYS, I'M SURE I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS PROJECT COMING BEFORE YOU ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL AND IT WAS THIS COUNCIL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. WEINBERG. A THE DESIRE WAS FOR ADDITIONAL JOBS.
AND SO THE COMMENT THAT WAS RECEIVED AT THAT TIME WAS, WE NEED JOBS IN THIS CITY.
WHAT CAN YOU GUYS DO? SO THE LANDOWNER WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, ACTUALLY PARTNERED WITH A NEW SELF-STORAGE FACILITY ENTITY AND SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO? AND SO WE HAVE GONE BACK AND ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THERE'S 1500 SQUARE FEET THAT'S BEING SET ASIDE FOR FLEX, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE.
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WE ENVISION THAT SPACE BEING USED FOR PACKAGE AND SHIPPING STORES.SORT OF LIKE WHEN YOU DROP OFF YOUR AMAZON PACKAGES, THAT SORT OF THING.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE'LL BE AN AMAZON DELIVERY SPOT HERE, BUT LIKE A PACKING STORE.
CERTAINLY WE THINK THAT SOME PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SPACE COULD BE THERE.
AND WE THINK THAT COULD BE A REALLY BENEFICIAL USE FOR THAT AREA.
THE ANOTHER ITEM THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR THREE AND A HALF ACRES IS PART OF A LARGER PIECE OF THE PIE, AND IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU HAVE AN EXHIBIT AND AERIAL THAT SHOWS ALL THE COMMERCIAL ACREAGE THAT SURROUNDS THIS AREA.
SO THEY ARE WELL AWARE THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE 60 ACRES OF SELF-STORAGE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T HAVE 60 ACRES OF, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORES.
AND IN JUST THOSE HIGH INTENSITY USES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S THAT CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO THE COMMERCIAL LAYOUT WAS DONE COLLECTIVELY AND TOGETHER.
THE STORE, THE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE WITH THAT, THE COMMERCIAL PIECE THERE, IT'S PURPOSELY MORE SHALLOW THAN YOU SEE THE PARCELS SURROUNDING IT, THOSE OTHER PARCELS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A SECRET THAT THE CIRCLE K IS ON THAT HARD CORNER.
THE BALANCE OF THOSE COMMERCIAL PARCELS ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
SO THOSE TYPE OF RETAIL MARKETS WILL COME.
BUT WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR LAST TIME LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME WHEN SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, WHAT CAN THIS PARCEL DO AND WHAT CAN THIS PARCEL BRING TO YOU? SO IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE THE JOBS THAT I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE KIND OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TYPES USED IN THAT PACKING HOUSE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO REMEMBER THAT THERE'S THIS ANCILLARY USES THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
THERE'S CLEANERS THAT COME AND CLEAN THE FACILITY EVERY SINGLE WEEK, SOMETIMES TWICE A WEEK.
THERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONALS THAT COME AND MANICURE AND MAINTAIN THE YARD.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL JOBS THAT ARE CREATED BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF USE.
AND IT'S IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.
A GREAT NEIGHBOR FOR THESE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE SOUTH.
AND WE WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY LIKE TO REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL ON THIS.
AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YES, SIR. YEAH.
COUNCILMAN SAUNDERS. BASICALLY, JUST TWO QUESTIONS.
DO YOU KNOW, HAS THE DEVELOPER HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY ANY BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED AT THIS POINT IN RENTING THAT SOME OF THAT 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR BUSINESS? I'M SORRY.
HAVE THEY HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY ANY POTENTIAL RENTERS FOR THE 1500 SQUARE FEET? 1500 WE HAVE NOT. SO WE'VE KEPT THAT AS FLEX SPACE BECAUSE AGAIN, IF A PACKAGE STORE COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO TAKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF IT, THEY WOULD GET IT.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S FLEXIBLE, WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE DEMANDS.
UNDERSTOOD. ALSO, CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT THE STORAGE FACILITY WILL NOT BE UTILIZING THAT 1500 OR ANY PART OF THAT 1500 SQUARE FOOT? YES. IT'S SPECIFICALLY MEANT FOR THE THE COMMERCIAL SIDE FOR TENANTS.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
JOHNSON. THE COMMENT WAS MADE.
FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR ELABORATING ON THE PAST AS WELL.
THE COMMENT WAS MADE. THERE ISN'T A WAREHOUSE, BUT I THINK APPROXIMATELY 2.5 MILES AWAY.
DO WE KNOW IF IT'S AT MAX, 100% CAPACITY OR THEY'RE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION? OKAY. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THEY HAVEN'T OPENED YET.
THAT'S CORRECT. BUT EVEN WITH THEM BEING OPEN.
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THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN WORK.SO EVEN SO, WITH OUR 4000 UNITS, THAT'S JUST THE 4000 UNITS AROUND US.
THAT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE DRIVING BY EVERY DAY TO TAKE EMERSON AND GO.
IF YOU THINK OF THAT SMALLER FACILITY TO THE SOUTH OF US, THERE IS LET'S SEE WHAT.
THERE'S ALMOST A THOUSAND UNITS AT SAINT JOHNS PRESERVE.
THERE'S ANOTHER THOUSAND UNITS COMING WITH MALABAR SPRINGS.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE THEIR OWN 4000 UNITS JUST SURROUNDING THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE THAN ENOUGH MARKET SHARE FOR EVERYBODY TO BE FULL.
AND IT IS NOT OUR INTENTIONS TO BE AN EMPTY FACILITY.
BUT SOMEBODY'S BRINGING THEIR CAR UP TO THE CAR WASH AND SOMEBODY'S PUTTING THEIR STUFF SOMEWHERE.
AND I THINK I'VE USED THIS EXAMPLE BEFORE.
SO YOU SELL YOUR BIG HOUSE, YOUR KIDS HAVE MOVED, YOU'VE COME HOME, YOU'RE THEIR CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS GET A LITTLE PLENTIFUL, THINGS START KIND OF SPILLING OUT.
THAT SPARE BEDROOM ISN'T MAYBE THE BEST USE OF YOUR DECORATIONS ANYMORE.
AND YOU GO, AND YOU HAVE A FACILITY.
YOU RENT ONE OF THESE SPACES BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE.
IT'S SUPER CONVENIENT. YOU TAKE CARE OF IT.
ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE SEE HAPPEN PRETTY FREQUENTLY.
GUESS WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A BASEMENT.
SO YOUR GARAGE SORT OF FUNCTIONS AS THAT UNTIL THE STORM COMES AND YOU REALIZE YOU GOT TO GET YOUR CAR IN THE GARAGE AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL YOUR STUFF? SO THAT BECOMES AN EASY SOLUTION FOR IT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT'S DONE.
ATTORNEYS USE IT FOR DOCUMENT STORAGE.
THEY'VE GOT TO KEEP STORAGE, YOU KNOW PAPERWORK FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
MEDICAL OFFICES DO THE SAME THING.
AS A REGISTERED SURVEY DEPARTMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP YOUR PHYSICAL PAPER FOR SEVEN YEARS.
I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SCAN IT IN. I PHYSICALLY HAVE TO KEEP EVERY PIECE OF PAPER FOR SEVEN YEARS.
AND SO IT DOES SERVE A NEED IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY.
MAYOR, IF I MAY, DEPUTY MAYOR.
YEAH. DOES THAT CONCLUDE, MISS SAUNDERS, DO YOU KNOW THE RATIO OF HOUSEHOLD PER UNIT OR VICE VERSA OR WHAT? I DON'T, BUT I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO WOULD IF I'M ALLOWED TO TURN AROUND.
IS THAT OKAY IF I TURN AROUND AND ASK? HE'S COMING UP. SURE. I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS, AS COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON MENTIONED, I MEAN, LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD SO MANY FACILITIES THAT THAT JUST EXPLODED, RIGHT? SO THIS IS MR. ERIC JOHNSON, AND HE WOULD BE OUR RESIDENT EXPERT.
YEAH. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RATIO, THE SPECIFIC RATIO IS TO HOUSEHOLD PER PER UNIT.
SO ON A NATIONAL AVERAGE WE GO IN SELF STORAGE.
WE WORK BY BY RADIUSES DEPENDING ON EACH GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.
RIGHT. SO ON A NATIONAL AVERAGE, IN EVERY MARKET THAT WE OPERATE IN EQUILIBRIUM FOR SELF STORAGE IS NINE SQUARE FEET PER CAPITA, MEANING NINE SQUARE FEET PER PERSON WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.
RIGHT NOW, WITH YOUR PARABOLIC GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING HERE, WITHIN THREE MILES, YOU HAVE ZERO.
YOU HAVE 100,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY GOING 2.5 MILES SOUTHWEST OF US.
AND THEN YOU HAVE OUR 110,000.
AND THAT'S THAT'S GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THAT'S NOT ACTUAL RENTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE OPERATE AT ABOUT 67 TO 73%, DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN OF OUR EFFICIENCY.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE 25,000 PEOPLE WITHIN THREE MILES OF OUR SITE, YOU SAID 4000 HOMES COMING ONLINE.
YOU'RE I THINK I BELIEVE YOUR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IS 2.8 PER HOUSEHOLD.
AND BOTH OF THESE FACILITIES, WHEN THEY COME ON THE MARKET, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS FOR EQUILIBRIUM IN THIS MARKET. SO TO JUST ADD ON TO WHAT ANNA SAID EVER SO ELOQUENTLY AS WELL YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO WE SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS IN THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT WE JUST THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, BUT WE WE ARE A DIRECT SUPPORT TO JOBS, TO BUSINESSES, 46.6% OF OUR TENANTS IS COMMERCIAL TENANTS SUCH AS ANNA SAID, WE HAVE CIVIL ENGINEERS, WE HAVE LAWYERS, WE HAVE LOCAL FURNITURE STORES, WE HAVE HVAC CONTRACTORS, PLUMBING CONTRACTORS ALL, YOU KNOW, VERY ACTIVE MEMBERS AND TENDENCY IN A LOT OF OUR FACILITIES.
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SO, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO WE HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, BUT WE'RE A KEY COMPONENT IN GROWING BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE ROOM FROM, YOU KNOW, ATTIC STOCK AREAS, HAVE THEM EXPAND SALES FLOORS, HIRE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE STORING IT IN OUR FACILITY AT A FRACTION OF THE COST.THEY'RE UTILIZING THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE IN A MORE EFFICIENT AND PRODUCTIVE MANNER.
SO IT KIND OF COMES FULL CIRCLE.
AND WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOING ON HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY EAGER AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE POTENTIAL OF BEING A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY ESSENTIALLY IS THAT PURELY MARKET DRIVEN. IT'S REALLY RESPONDING TO WHAT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
01,000,000%. YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND I'M PART OF IT TOO.
AND THE GENTLEMAN WOULD AGREE WITH ME.
WE GO BACK AND FORTH ON STORAGE UNIT.
WE'VE SEEN SO MANY APPLICATIONS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
WE GO KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH AND AND I PERSONALLY I MEAN I WAS ANTI STORAGE UNIT BUT I FIND MYSELF EARLIER THIS YEAR FINDING ME A TEN BY TEN SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW, SO IT'S ADAPTABLE AND AND YOU KNOW BUT BUT ANYWAY YEAH.
SO I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER I THINK THANKS FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
BUT I, I'LL MOST LIKELY BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS TONIGHT.
SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT JOB INCREASE.
AND I SEE WHAT COUNCIL IS DOING AT THIS POINT.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN JOBS AND AND RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S WHAT A THREE STORY UNIT THAT THAT'S GOING UP ON MALABAR ROAD. IS IT 2 OR 3 STORIES.
SO I'M NOT I WON'T SUPPORT THIS GENTLEMAN.
I WOULD PREFER TO, BECAUSE THE LACK OF JOB CREATION.
WHAT? WHAT'S INTERESTING IS MR. SAUNDERS SAID THAT THERE'S OTHER RETAILERS THAT ARE COMING.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I FEEL SHOULD BE COMING.
RIGHT? AND THAT THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
YES, MA'AM. SO IF YOU COULD REBUT.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF I MAY, AND NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS DENIED A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY THAT CAME UP DIRECTLY AFTER US.
THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, HOW MANY JOBS DOES IT CREATE? THE ANSWER WAS, HOLD ON.
THAT FACILITY WAS A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY FROM AN EXISTING FACILITY, SO IT WASN'T A CONCERN THEN.
THE SAME USE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT YOU APPROVED A YEAR AGO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER DENYING THIS ONE, IS WHAT WE CAME BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER AND SAID, THIS IS WE GET THIS GOT DENIED.
IS THIS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE? THE ANSWER WAS YES BY ADDING THAT 1500 SQUARE FEET.
SO RESPECTFULLY, WE'RE PROPOSING THE SAME THE SAME CRITERIA.
THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO WORK WITHIN THE WITHIN THE STORAGE FACILITY THEMSELVES.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE, 4 OR 5 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND THEN I THINK CREDENCE SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE RECURRING JOBS THAT WILL OCCUR AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LOCAL FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO COME EVERY SINGLE WEEK.
IS IT 300 JOBS? NO, SIR, IT IS NOT.
WILL THOSE JOBS COME WHEN THE REST OF THE THE REST OF THE RETAIL AREA ARE CONSTRUCTED? YES THEY WILL. AND SO I'M TRYING TO I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A SMALLER PIECE OF THE LARGER WHOLE, I THINK, ON THAT EXHIBIT, OUT OF THE 62 ACRES I DID, THE PERCENTAGE I WANT TO SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, 6% OR 3% OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OF THE OVERALL PARCEL.
BUT YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR IN YOUR PIECE.
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AND WE'VE DONE WHAT, WHAT YOU ASKED FOR AND WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY FOR OTHER PROJECTS.HI. NATHAN LANDERS WITH BLACKMAN PARTNERS.
PART OF THE SELF STORAGE AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE ON THE THING.
SO AGAIN, YOU'LL HEAR FROM US HERE IN A LITTLE WHILE.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING IN OTHER RETAILERS, AS YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS 60 ACRES.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT 60 ACRES, AGAIN, IT'S A PUZZLE PIECE.
AND AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER.
SO AS SHE SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE GROCERY STORES THERE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR, LOOK AT IT AS A COMPONENT OF 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
SO AGAIN, ALL THAT STUFF WILL ULTIMATELY FILL IN.
BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO HAVE EXCESS OF ONE OR THE OTHER.
THIS IS A GOOD MATCH FOR THAT BECAUSE AGAIN YOU HAVE TOTAL 60 ACRES.
THAT'S NOT A FIT. WELL, THIS AGAIN, BEING PART OF 60 ACRES MAKES IT THAT MUCH MORE COMPATIBLE.
BECAUSE ALSO, AGAIN, AS SHE WAS SAYING, IT'S A LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THOSE BALANCES.
AND THEN ALSO FOR THOSE OTHER JOBS, AS SHE'S SAYING, WHEN WE BRING IN THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE, OTHER RETAILERS TO OTHER TYPES OF SMALL BUSINESSES, UTILIZE THE SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S LIKE AN ANCILLARY USE AS WELL AS TO THE COMMUNITIES.
AS YOU KNOW, THE THE WORLD GROWS AND ESPECIALLY FLORIDA HOUSING GETS SMALLER AND SMALLER.
HOA'S ARE STRICTER AND STRICTER.
SO THAT IS LIKE REALLY THAT'S WHY I LIKE LENNAR AND EVERYBODY REALLY LIKES THIS TYPE OF CONCEPT IS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OFFERINGS FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO NOW THEY CAN ACTUALLY STORE THINGS THERE NEARBY IF THEY NEED TO COME GET IT.
YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN DO YOU GO SKIING.
THEN YOU GO TO THROW IT AWAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR KID GOES, HEY, LET'S GO CAMPING.
YOU GOTTA GO BUY ANOTHER TENT, BUT YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO USE AGAIN, YOU KNOW? WHATEVER. SO THERE ARE THOSE TYPES OF PRODUCTS OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE 60 ACRES.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT VERY METHODICALLY AND PUTTING IN PIECES INTO PLACE HERE.
AND THAT'S AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FILL THOSE THOSE VOIDS IN THERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH THAT, THINK OF IT AS LIKE A PUZZLE PIECE.
BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU GIVE AWAY ONE PIECE THEN YOU'VE GOT TO START WORKING AROUND IT.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS, THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION TO US FEELS RIGHT.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT IN THERE.
THE BIGGER PIECES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO BUILD AROUND, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO HAVE THAT THAT BIG ANCHOR AND YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT CUTTING OFF, LIKE THEIR ACCESS OR THEIR VISIBILITY OR, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND MAYBE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT TENANT WANTS TO GO HERE.
WELL, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, LARGER OR SMALLER, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S A BIGGER PIECE LIKE THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER, A LITTLE MORE METHODICAL.
BUT WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS, TRADING PAPER WITH LOTS OF THINGS.
WE ARE VESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WANT TO SEE THIS YOU KNOW, HAPPEN AND REALLY COME ABOUT AND, AND BRING YOU ALL THE TENETS THAT YOU GUYS ARE DESIRING THAT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SURE. WHEN YOU SHARE THAT VISION.
YES. BECAUSE I LOVE TO SEE THE VISION.
CERTAINLY. I THINK I THINK YOU JUST CAST IT.
YOU JUST CASTED A NET OUT THERE, AND YOU'RE SAYING DIFFERENT PIECES, DIFFERENT PUZZLES, RIGHT? ON THE SAME PUZZLE, BUT LIKE BIG PIECES.
WHAT IS THAT VISION LOOK LIKE SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU SAY RETAILERS ANCHORS, RIGHT.
YOU MENTIONED THAT WORD RIGHT NOW.
WHAT DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT WE'RE IN CONVERSATION.
SURE. WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GROCERY STORE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH A FITNESS CENTER AS TWO POTENTIAL ANCHORS.
BOTH OF THEM ARE IN THE APPROXIMATE WE'LL CALL IT 30 TO 50,000.
NOT TO GIVE AWAY TOO MUCH OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE IN THAT RANGE.
SO, AGAIN, THEY WOULD BE ANCHORS.
ONE IN PARTICULAR WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 ACRES OVER THERE.
WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THE CIRCLE K PORTION OF IT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, IT'S JUST UNDER 12 ACRES.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF ANCHORS THAT WE WOULD PUT THERE.
SO AGAIN, IT'D BE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
USES THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT.
THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS FAX STREET, WE SEE THAT AS MORE OF A OFFICE WORK TYPE ENVIRONMENT.
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BUT AGAIN, WITH THE 15 ACRES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL RETAIL.YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OUTPARCELS.
WE SEE, YOU KNOW TALKS WITH COFFEE YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS WITH WHO ELSE ARE WE? SO, I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE DO WITH OUR NATIONAL DEVELOPERS.
AND SO THOSE ARE THAT'S THE VISION, AND THOSE ARE WHO WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH.
SO WE SEE IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAY A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL CENTER.
SO AGAIN, YOU'RE BRINGING THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS THOSE ROOFS ARE GOING UP NOW.
RIGHT? YEAH. AS THE ROOFS GO UP, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL FALLS RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY SET ASIDE THIS COMMERCIAL PIECE TO BE PART OF THAT AS A SERVICE AREA.
SO AGAIN, THIS TO ME IS LIKE A GREAT COMMERCIAL NODE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AROUND.
SO WHY NOT START OUT WITH THAT BIG VISION OF THAT? BECAUSE THOSE THOSE ARE THE HARDER ONES.
THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THEY NEED TO SEE THE ROOFTOPS SOMETIMES.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW SELF STORAGES ARE MORE DRIVEN BY US, AS, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN A CORPORATE CORPORATIONS SOMETIMES TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO TO LEAD TO THAT.
I HAVE A LOI FROM A NATIONAL FITNESS CENTER FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THAT MUCH.
YOU KNOW THEY GOT TO SEE THAT STUFF OKAY.
BUT THEY'RE SEEING THE HOUSES GOING UP.
AND THEN IN FLORIDA, YOU JUST CAN'T LOOK AT STUFF.
YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT, LIKE, EVERY THREE MONTHS TO REALLY KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S HOW QUICKLY EVERYTHING'S GROWING.
AND SO AGAIN, WE SEE THIS AS A FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR HAD A QUESTION SIR.
THANK YOU SIR. I THINK HE HE'S GOT A QUESTION.
YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER? WHAT'S THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? DO AS FAR AS THE SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.
THAT WOULD RESULT IN SOME TAXES IF YOU WOULD PUT A NUMBER ON IT.
SO. SO I MEAN AND AGAIN THAT THAT I I'M I'M IN AGREEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY. SO I JUST WANTED TO SOMETIME WHEN WE TALK NUMBERS SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO US HERE.
14,000,000IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT RESULTED IN A LOT OF TAXES.
VERY, VERY LOW IMPACT ON US, ON OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, VERY, VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON OUR FIRE STATE FIRE FIREMEN AND VERY, VERY LOW IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
CORRECT. SO, SO I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
IF IT WAS A ONE OFF RANDOM SPOT AND THERE WASN'T OTHER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMMERCIAL THERE, I CAN SAY, WELL, NO, I REALLY WANT TO HOLD THIS BACK FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE JOB CREATING OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
BUT WITH THIS, AGAIN, WE'RE PUTTING PIECES INTO THE PUZZLE THERE THAT DO FIT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THERE ARE. AND WE ARE GOING TO BRING MORE THINGS THAT ALIGN BETTER WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY HAVE TWO GAS STATIONS AT EVERY INTERSECTION.
YOU WANTED TO CLOSE WITH ANOTHER REBUTTAL, MA'AM? NO. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO. NO, SIR, I DON'T HAVE ANY REBUTTAL.
ONE THING, JUST A TECHNICAL ITEM I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT.
IT'S GOING TO BE COMING TO THE CITY SOON.
ALL OF THEIR STORMWATER NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE MET BY THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
SO YOU WON'T SEE STORMWATER PONDS ON THESE COMMERCIAL PARCELS.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY'RE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY CAN PUT THERE.
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WE STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, CODE REQUIREMENTS, OPEN SPACE, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.AND WITH THAT THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE.
THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE US.
AND EVERY ITEM THAT WHETHER IT'S STORAGE FACILITY OR NOT, IT STANDS ON ITS OWN TWO MERITS.
RIGHT. STANDS ON ITS OWN MERIT.
THAT PROJECT, I THINK THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS TRYING TO SELL THAT FOR DECADES.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING. IF IT'S THE SAME ONE I'M THINKING OF, THAT'S THE FIRST ISSUE.
WE'RE ABLE TO VOTE BASED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO BASED ON AS AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY? THEY NEEDED THAT STORAGE FACILITY THERE, RIGHT? A LOT OF RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE NEEDED IT.
SO BASED ON THAT, THE FACT THAT IT WAS SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT OR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY HAD HELD THAT PROPERTY, AND THIS WAS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SELL.
I WOULD RATHER SEE COMMERCIAL AND CREATE THOSE JOBS, RIGHT.
AND I AM ADAMANT ABOUT JOB CREATION.
IS IT A SIGNIFICANT ROLE OF JOB CREATION AS OPPOSED TO THE VERY FIRST TIME? I STILL STAND BY MY COMMENT.
I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN JOB CREATION.
I GET THE IDEA AND THE VISION OF THAT PUZZLE, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT SIGNIFICANT JOB CREATION.
AND SO THAT'S A HUGE BLESSING FOR YOU GUYS, RIGHT? I JUST DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY RIGHT NOW.
NOW, BRING ME THOSE COMMERCIALS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SIR.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT AND SEEING THAT ALL DEVELOPS AS SUCH.
DO YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL? OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM.
SO THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? GENTLEMEN, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.
ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON? DEPUTY MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
CARRY ON. I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, I AGREE THERE'S BEEN A PROLIFERATION OF STORAGE UNITS ALL THROUGHOUT PALM BAY.
IT'S A REFLECTION OF THE GROWTH.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF STORAGE UNITS, BUT AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE 4000 HOMES GOING UP HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THE CITY, YOU LOOK AT JUST ABOUT EVERY HOUSE HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE.
THEY'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE CAR PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S A REASON FOR IT. IT'S BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PARK TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE.
NO THEY CAN'T. THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE USING IT FOR STORAGE MYSELF.
FORTUNATELY, MY WIFE DOESN'T DRIVE.
I HAVE ONE CAR. I HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE.
I'M ABLE TO GET THE ONE CAR IN THERE BECAUSE THE REST IS STORAGE.
AND I HAVE A STORAGE SHED IN MY BACKYARD AS WELL.
IF I DIDN'T HAVE THAT, I'D BE RENTING A STORAGE UNIT.
OKAY. JUST LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR MENTIONED, HE HAD TO GO OUT AND RENT A TEN BY TEN STORAGE UNIT.
SO THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THEM.
I'M A I'M A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER BY PROFESSION, SO BELIEVE ME, I UNDERSTAND THIS.
BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST $15 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, IN TODAY'S WORLD, LIKE I SAID THERE'S JUST AN ENORMOUS DEMAND FOR STORAGE UNITS.
THEIR THERE. NEAREST ONE IS TWO AND A HALF MILES AWAY.
SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S THERE REALLY IS GOING TO BE A NEED FOR A STORAGE UNIT.
AND THESE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THESE, THESE TYPE OF, OF CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T GENERATE A LOT OF JOBS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS CALLING THE QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[02:55:01]
NAY. PASSES 3 TO 1.CONGRATULATIONS. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, RESOLUTION 20 2442, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR RETAIL, AUTOMOTIVE, GAS FUEL SALES IN CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY NORTHWEST AND IN THE VICINITY WEST OF EMERSON DRIVE NORTHWEST AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN GRANTED, USES A CONDITIONAL USE PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.
GOOD EVENING. DEREK RAMSBURG HERE WITH KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
BEING A CONVENIENCE STORE, FUEL SALES, CATTY CORNER TO THE CIRCLE K THAT'S COMING IN.
IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE COLLECTION OF TRIPS GOING SOUTHBOUND AND GIVING RESIDENTS A PLACE TO FILL UP.
SINCE THERE'S NO OTHER GAS STATIONS GOING SOUTHBOUND ON SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
SO WHAT KIND OF GAS STATION ARE YOU GOING TO COMPETE WITH CIRCLE K? I DON'T THINK I CAN DISCLOSE THAT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, NO, YOU CAN'T DISCLOSE THAT.
I CAN'T DISCLOSE THAT. IS IT LIKE A WAWA OR HOW ABOUT A BUCKY'S? NO, BUCKY'S CAN'T FIT.
BUCKY'S WOULDN'T FIT THERE, BUDDY.
IT'S NOT A BUCKY'S. THERE WE GO.
NO, I KNOW IT'S NOT A BUCKY'S FOR SURE.
I YOU CAN'T BLAME ME FOR TRYING.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? NO. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. OKAY.
WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT? WELL, HE'S TELLING ME NO.
YOU. YOU MADE A MISTAKE, MR. MARTIN. ALL RIGHT.
HE DOES NOT WALK ON WATER, SO HE'S HE'S HE'S HE CAN MAKE A MISTAKE, SIR.
SO, BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT OF ALL WE'RE GETTING IS STORAGE UNITS AND GAS STATIONS.
THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT APPEARS.
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL WE'RE GETTING.
WE'RE GETTING A GROWTH OF A CITY THAT'S HUMONGOUSLY EXPANDING IN IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH OF THE POPULATION OF HOUSES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S MOVING IN HERE, IT'S MAKING IMPACT ON OUR ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, PART OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH HAPPENS TO BE GAS STATIONS AND STORAGE FACILITIES.
ALSO. YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND JUST KEEP MOTHER NATURE AS MOTHER NATURE.
BUT THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL FOR THE CITY.
BUT PUTTING IT BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, SINCE WE DO HAVE ALL THIS GROWTH COMING IN AND I MEAN MASSIVE EXPANSION OF GROWTH THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THESE OTHER ITEMS TO SUPPORT THE POPULATION, TO SUPPORT THE POPULACE.
EVEN WITH ALL THE GAS STATIONS THAT WE HAD HERE, THERE WAS A SHORTAGE OF GAS THAT DAY BECAUSE THE FUEL TANKS ONLY HOLD SO MUCH AND PEOPLE DON'T FILL THEIR GAS STATIONS, THEIR TANKS UP EVERY DAY.
THEY WAIT FOR MORE GAS STATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO GET 5 OR 10 MORE FAMILIES OUT OF THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS ON THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE OUR EVACUATION ROUTE.
SO YES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR IT JUST BECAUSE THE GROWTH WARRANTS IT.
AND THIS WILL BE ONE MORE STATION WHERE YOU MIGHT.
AND IT JUST MIGHT BE A WAWA SINCE THEY FEED YOU ON THE WAY OUT.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT, SIR.
PRETTY GOOD. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
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WE ARE NOW ON CONSENT.WE'RE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
YES, MAYOR. I DIDN'T SUPPORT THE MAYOR.
[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]
YES. CARRY ON.I NEED TO READ THE CAPTION FOR ITEM THREE.
SO BEFORE I READ THE CAPTION FOR THAT, I NEGLECTED TO READ THE CAPTION FOR ITEM FOUR.
SO IF I CAN READ BOTH OF THEM NOW, CARRY ON.
ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 60 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING AND ALLOCATING FUNDS AS OUTLINED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A CONSISTING OF SIX PAGES, AND EXHIBIT B CONSISTING OF SEVEN PAGES, AND INCORPORATED IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN. RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
CHAPTER 35 ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING, AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AN ORDINANCE 20 2459.
PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.
HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
YES, MAYOR. I JUST PULLED IT BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT.
REST OF COUNCIL CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I'M STAYING CONSISTENT WITH MY STANCE EARLIER THIS SUMMER, SO THAT'S ALL.
SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
SECOND. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PACKET ON THIS, I NOTICED THAT $33,000 OF THE COST WAS FOR OVERTIME FOR PAYMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS GOOD. THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO USE OUR GENERAL FUND TO BE PAYING FOR THE SERVICES.
BUT THE THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WAS WE GET $15,000 FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO PAY OVERTIME IF WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THIS EQUIPMENT SOME OTHER SOME OTHER TIME? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS RADAR DETECTORS AND STUFF LIKE THIS FOR CATCHING OF SPEEDERS.
AND I'M GOING TO BRING THAT UP LATER BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS EQUIPMENT WITH OUR REGULAR TRAFFIC FORCE ENFORCEMENT OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING THIS.
DOES IT MEAN IF THEY'RE USING THIS EQUIPMENT, IT HAS TO BE ON OVERTIME FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? THAT'S QUESTION.
THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS ONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
SO SPECIAL DUTY DETAILS BRINGING FOLKS IN.
SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT, EXCUSE ME, TO PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS ON AN OVERTIME BASIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE GRANT REIMBURSES AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE RECEIVE.
IT ACTUALLY HELPS TO REPLACE SOME OUTDATED EQUIPMENT, ADDS MORE INTO OUR FLEET OF EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO USE THAT AFTER THE GRANT PERIOD IS OVER.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? I NEED A MOTION.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
AS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE IMPACT FEE FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COST OF, YOU KNOW, ALMOST $250,000 AND IT'S FOR SEPTIC INTERCHANGE OF THIS PROCESS.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY OF THESE SEPTIC SYSTEMS FAILED DURING THIS LAST STORM? PROBABLY NONE OF THEM FAILED.
YET. OUR PRIMARY CONVERSION SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PUTTING FROM SEPTIC SYSTEM ON TO SEWER, THE CITY SEWER SYSTEM DID FAIL DURING THE STORM. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES GOVERNMENT MANDATES AREN'T ALWAYS WHAT THEY APPEAR TO BE, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, IS YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND QUESTION YOUR GOVERNMENT SOMETIMES.
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IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU'RE DELINQUENT.I PROMISE YOU, ONE LEAKING SEPTIC TANK DID NOT PRODUCE NEARLY THE AMOUNT OF WASTE AND PHOSPHORUS THAT ENDED UP IN THE SEPTIC IN THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, AS WE GOT WITH THE SEWER FAILURE WITH THE CITY SEWER FAILURE FAILURE.
IT'S GOING TO BE MANDATED THAT WE TAKE A WORKING SYSTEM AND CONVERT IT.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S OKAY TO CHALLENGE YOUR GOVERNMENT.
BECAUSE FOR EVERY ACTION, REMEMBER THERE IS A REACTION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET.
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF COST? YOU KNOW, JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY.
RIGHT. AND CAN YOU BREAK THAT COST DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING ROUGHLY AT FIVE, $500,000? WHAT WAS IT? 500 K OR PER HOUSE? WHAT WAS IT? 50 K PER HOUSE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOUR ACTUAL BREAKDOWN THERE WAS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE FOR EACH RESIDENT HOOKUP ON IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T COME CLOSE TO THE COST OF THE CONVERSION SYSTEM. SO THAT MEANS THE HOMEOWNER IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BE STUCK WITH THAT, PAYING THAT DIFFERENCE.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SIR.
I'LL HAVE GABRIEL BOWDEN, OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR, COME UP.
MR. MAYOR, THIS THE SORREL PORTION OF THIS WILL COVER ABOUT $5,000 FOR EACH PREMISE.
SO THIS IS BASED ON US GETTING THE FDP.
IF WE GET THAT, THE COST TO THE HOMEOWNER WILL BE ZERO.
GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A MANDATORY COST.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY IT IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT STAYING IN COMMUNICATIONS, BUT BILL BATTEN BEING THE PERSON THAT HE IS, HE REWINDS HIS TAPES.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW WHAT THAT IS, REWIND THIS TAPE.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE JUST LAST YEAR, WE JUST BOUGHT BRAND NEW RADIOS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT FOR WHAT WE SPENT ALMOST ONE, I DON'T REMEMBER 1 MILLION, $2 MILLION.
MY MIND IS STARTING TO GO ON ME.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT COST WAS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW.
BUT WHAT DO I KNOW? LET'S JUST KEEP PAYING MORE MONEY TO MICROWAVES IN THE SKY.
THANK YOU. YOUR RADIOS ARE EXPENSIVE LATELY, SIR.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUR P25 COMPLIANCE FOR THE PAST SEVERAL BUDGET YEARS.
WE COULDN'T DO IT ALL IN ONE FISCAL YEAR.
WE HAD TO PHASE IN THE REPLACEMENTS OF BOTH FIRE AND POLICE RADIOS.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FINAL STEPS.
THERE'S A COUPLE MORE STILL TO TAKE.
BUT ONE OF THE FINAL STEPS IS OUR OUR OUR CITY CONTRIBUTION.
SO THIS IS OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ANY DISCUSSION? NO, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
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BOULEVARD, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO SAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S CAUSING THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC.I MEAN, THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC INCREASING.
WELL, THE FIRST THING THE CITY DID WAS THEY RAISED THE SPEED LIMIT ON BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.
AND I'M JUST USING THAT ONE AS A COMPARISON TO THESE OTHER LOCATIONS.
BUT WHAT I NOTICED WHEN I WAS WHEN I WAS OUT DOING MY HOMEWORK, I WENT TO THE FLASHING SPEED LIMIT SIGN THAT WAS IN BAYSIDE LAKES, AND I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY'RE COMING UP ON IT, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A GAME TO SEE HOW FAST THEY COULD MAKE THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN REGISTER.
SO INSTEAD OF CAUSING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN IT FOR SOME PEOPLE IT HAD THE OPPOSITE EFFECT, RIGHT? SO I'M SAYING HOW FAST I CAN GO FASTER NOW INSTEAD OF SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE.
SO BILL BATTEN BEING THE PERSON HE IS FOR THAT CALMING OF TRAFFIC, USE THAT SAME MECHANISM THAT WE HAD ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER SIX.
USE THOSE SAME POLICE OFFICERS TO BE OUT THERE CATCHING THEM WITH THEIR RADAR, TICKETING THEM.
AND GUESS WHAT? THEY'LL SPEED ONCE AND THEY'LL SAY, SON OF A GUN.
SO MAKE THE PUNISHMENT A PUNISHMENT INSTEAD OF A REWARD OF I GOT A HIGHER SPEED LIMIT THAN YOU DID.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST I.
WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE CONTRACT, I UNDERSTOOD THAT WHAT THIS WAS FOR.
AND I'M MORE THAN MORE THAN SYMPATHETIC FOR THE FAMILY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M QUESTIONING HERE.
WHAT I'M QUESTIONING IS THE FACT THAT WE JUST HAD A CONTRACT, AND I THOUGHT THAT OUR INSURANCE OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS, FOR THESE CONTRACTS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN COVERING THIS.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY, IF WE HAVE TO PAY THIS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WHY DID WE INCREASE THE CONTRACTS TO COVER STUFF LIKE THIS? SO OUR AND YOU KNOW, ME BEING THE IDIOT I AM, I'D SAY EITHER THEY START COVERING THEIR OWN LIFE INSURANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
BUT NOW THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE CITIES PAY FOR IT.
SO MAKE THE CONTRACT COINCIDE WITH WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO PAY.
DOES OUR NEW CONTRACT COVER THE INSURANCE FOR LIFE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
OTHERWISE, YOU ADD THAT TO THE COST OF WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING PAID.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE SPOT ON ON THAT.
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, MR. CHIEF. MADAM SHERMAN, I THANK YOU.
IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE THAT WAS PASSED THAT REQUIRE A SPECIFIC PAYMENTS AND REIMBURSEMENTS TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR FAMILY.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION THAT OCCURS IF A FIREFIGHTER WHO MEETS THE VARIOUS CRITERIA OF THE CERTAIN CANCERS BEING PART OF THEIR ON THE JOB BEING CAUSED BY BEING ON THE JOB, THAT THEY ACTUALLY GET A DIRECT CASH PAYMENT.
SO IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR UNION CONTRACT.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S HANDLED SEPARATELY THROUGH OUR WE HAVE A VERY SMALL GROUP OF VERY UNIQUE SPECIALIZED TYPE OF INSURANCE POLICIES THROUGH OUR OUR BENEFITS PLAN.
AND SO THIS IS HANDLED SEPARATELY.
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE UNION CONTRACT.
IT'S NOT. THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS THAT WE PROVIDE, LIKE WE PROVIDE FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE COVERED BY CONTRACTS, LIKE BASIC HEALTH INSURANCE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. LIFE INSURANCE THIS CITY HAS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
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YOU KNOW, A PORTION THAT THE CITY PAYS AND THEN A PORTION THAT THE EMPLOYEE CAN CHOOSE TO ELECT HIGHER LEVELS OF LIFE INSURANCE, AND THEN THEY PAY FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS.BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO PULL THIS, TOO.
I WAS PULLING IT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON, BILL.
I WAS GOING TO PULL THIS TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING A LOT OF WE'RE MISSING HERE.
BECAUSE THE THING WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IS WHY DID THEY DO IT? AND I'M LOOKING AT I'VE TALKED TO FIREFIGHTERS AND SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY USE CAN CAUSE, AS THE FIRE CHIEF CAN SPEAK TO IT, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THEY USE CAN CAUSE. YEP.
BUT ESPECIALLY WITH IT SAYING TO MITIGATE TO MITIGATE THE FINANCIAL RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THESE BENEFITS, THE CITY MAINTAINS A SPECIALIZED INSURANCE POLICY DESIGNATED TO MEET THE STATUTORY STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
WHY? SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THING WE REALLY NEED TO DIVE INTO.
BUT WHY DON'T YOU COME? YEAH. SHERMAN. CAN WE GET THE CHIEF TO COME ON? OF COURSE. YES. RICHARD STOVER, FIRE CHIEF.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A LOT MORE TO IT, ESPECIALLY FOR IT TO BE A STATEWIDE STATUTE.
SO I'M SURE IF WE TALK TO OTHER CITIES, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY RIGHTING A WRONG.
I WOULD SAY PUTTING A BAND AID ON IT.
BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT IS A HAZARDOUS JOB.
AND THEN IN THE THE PRODUCT THAT I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.
THERE'S A PFAS PART OF IT THAT IS THE BULK OF IT.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME ABSORPTION PARTS OF IT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT THE STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI IS VERY I WANT TO SAY WE LEARNED OVER THE WEEKEND THERE'S LIKE 3 OR $400,000 OR 3 OR 400,000.
THE GROIN, THE BREAST, THE ARMPITS, THE NECK, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN I WENT IN AS A, AS A KID, YOU COULD GO IN AND YOU DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO WEAR THAT AIR PACK.
YOU STILL HAD HAZARDS, BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WEAR THEM BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS PURE WOOD.
IT WAS THIS. IT WAS IT WAS IN ITS PURE STATE TODAY, WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT'S PUT BEING PUT INTO THE UPHOLSTERY'S, THE FAKE WOODS, THAT KIND OF STUFF THERE, THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT CARCINOGENS.
AND THEN WHAT THEY, THEY HAVE THIS THE EFFECT WHERE THIS ONE COMES TOGETHER WITH THIS ONE.
AND NOW THIS CREATES ANOTHER CARCINOGEN THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN.
IT'S NOT EVEN ON OUR RADAR YET.
SO YES, THERE IS SOME OF IT THAT'S IN THE GEAR.
AND WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD WITH OUR PROVIDER GLOBE, GLOBE BUNKER GEAR.
WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE GOT US DOWN TO THE THREE LAYERS OF STUFF THAT WE WEAR.
TWO OF THOSE LAYERS ARE NOW FREE.
THAT'S BIG. AND THEN THE INTERNAL LAYER IS IS SOON TO BE.
THEN THE COUNCIL HERE JUST APPROVED I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 2 OR 3 MONTHS AGO, THE PURCHASE OF A HOOD THAT IS NOW RATED TO WHERE THE CARCINOGENS HAVE A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THROUGH AND GETTING INTO THE THYROID AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THERE ARE THERE ARE THERE ARE GEAR ISSUES.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT ARE STILL BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
AND WHEN IT GETS HEATED TO A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE.
YES. AND WHEN IT GETS HEATED TO A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE THAT'S ABSORBED INTO YOUR BODY AND THE, THE THE BODY, THE SKIN IS YOUR LARGEST ORGAN IN YOUR BODY, AND IT'S GOING RIGHT THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE HAVING ALL KINDS OF BIRTH DEFECTS DOWN THE ROAD.
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YOU'RE HAVING THE CANCERS, THE DIFFERENT YOU'RE HAVING COLON CANCERS, THYROID CANCERS, IT'S JUST A MESS.AND EVERYBODY IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO RESOLVE THIS.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE LOSING FIREFIGHTERS.
WHEN I CAME ON, CARDIAC WAS THE BIG KILLER OF FIREFIGHTERS.
BUT WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN GETTING US THE BUNKER GEAR AS IT TRANSITIONS INTO THE SAFER STUFF, BUT THAT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE GOOD STUFF AND STILL BE EFFICIENT AT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITHOUT RISKING ADDITIONAL MEDICAL CONCERNS FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS.
OKAY. AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I'M GOOD WHEN WE WHEN WE SPEAK UP HERE ABOUT EQUIPPING OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THERE'S SO MUCH DETAIL AND INTRICACIES THAT HE JUST REVEALED THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN IDENTIFY WITH.
THESE THESE MEN AND WOMEN, THEY'RE JEOPARDIZING THEIR LIVES IN MORE WAYS THAN.
RIGHT. AND THEN THOSE ASPECTS, IT REMINDS ME OF THE CAMP LEJEUNE ISSUE WITH ALL THESE MARINES.
THEY DON'T FEEL THE IMPACT UNTIL THEY'RE THEY'RE MY AGE AS YOU GET OLDER.
SO IT'S THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE PFAS.
AND THERE'S MANY MORE OTHER CHEMICALS FOR THOSE THAT SERVE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE THAT DETAIL, CHIEF.
BUT TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S POINT IS WE RATHER PAY IT UP FRONT THAN AT THE END.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE HE WAS GOING WITH THAT.
AND WE DO APPRECIATE THAT THE FAMILIES APPRECIATE THAT ALSO.
BUT IT IS A VERY LONG AND VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS.
YES, SIR. AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.
THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU ALL OF YOU.
YEAH, IF. CHIEF DON'T LEAVE, I THINK.
NO, NO, NO, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF IF MISTER CHAIRMAN CAN ANSWER ONE SIMPLE QUESTION IS HOW MANY OF THESE DEATH BENEFITS HAVE WE PAID OUT IN RECENT MEMORY? THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE'VE EVER PAID OUT.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FOUR ZERO.
WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS NUMBER TWO, MRS. JONES. YES.
[2. Consideration of scheduling a workshop meeting in November 2024.]
THANK YOU. MAYOR.I HAVE TWO ITEMS UNDER THIS ONE.
THE FIRST IS AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, STAFF IS SCHEDULING A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS HOUSE BILL 1365, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE HOMELESSNESS. THE SUGGESTED DATE IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH AT 6 P.M..
I DO THINK NEW NEW COUNCIL IN THIS CASE.
I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
SO, MA'AM I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST THAT WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER DATE TO INCLUDE THE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BUT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS.
COULD IT BE RIGHT? I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT HAS BEEN DONE TO COORDINATE THIS WORKSHOP WITH THE HOMELESS COALITION FOLKS.
THAT RIGHT. COULD IT BE THE NIGHT OF THE SWEARING IN OR WOULD THAT BE.
NO, I THINK IT IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH BECAUSE.
NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A WORKSHOP.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING PEOPLE COME IN.
NOT JUST AMONG US, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE COALITION HERE AND DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT UP.
WE COULD PROBABLY WORK ON SOME TIME IN DECEMBER.
I DON'T KNOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY DISCUSS THAT.
IS THAT IS THAT ALL RIGHT, MA'AM? YES. WE ALREADY SENT THE LETTERS OUT.
DO WE, DO WE GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THEM ALREADY? THEY JUST THEY JUST WENT OUT OVER THE PAST WEEK OR SO.
SO OKAY, WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL PICK A DATE QUICKLY AND THEN TURN IT AROUND.
CAN I, CAN I THROW A SUGGESTION SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.
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DO WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE SWEARING IN.YES. YES, THAT'S MY OTHER ITEM.
OKAY. WELL, WHAT I'M WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO PROPOSE.
SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE 19 LOCKED IN, CAN WE GET THE SWEARING IN THE SAME TIME.
CARVE OUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN HOUR PRIOR TO THE WORKSHOP OR AFTER VICE VERSA.
THAT WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
I MEAN, I PERSONALLY I KNOW KNOW YOU YOU'RE HERE, SO SHARE YOUR OPINION.
YEAH, RIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S A MORE OF A FAMILY EVENT, IF YOU REMEMBER.
AFTER AFTERWARDS, WE ALL WENT OUT.
I HAD A LOT OF CHURCH FAMILY, TOO, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THE 20TH WOULD WOULD.
YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW THEIR SCHEDULES.
YEAH. THEIR SCHEDULE. THAT'S LIKE MANDATING SOMETHING FOR FOR BEFORE.
I'M JUST SINCE SHE ALREADY SENT OUT, WE COULD DO.
DEPUTY MAYOR, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? BRING THE CEREMONY AT FIVE, THEN WILL THE THE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S WISE.
OKAY, DECEMBER SOMETHING WE COULD DO THIS, RIGHT? MAYBE AFTER THANKSGIVING OR PRIOR TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
BUT IT WAS A DIFFERENT CAVEAT.
WE, YOU KNOW, SO WE WE DO HAVE TO PIVOT.
I'M I'M GOOD WITH TRYING TO MOVE IT UP TO DECEMBER.
IF SOMETIME IN DECEMBER, WE COULD POLL.
AND LET'S FOLLOW UP WITH THE CHURCHES THAT HAVE BEEN INVITED.
SO WE'LL NEED THAT DATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS REGARDING THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY, THE ELECTIONS OFFICE HAS NOTIFIED THE CLERKS THAT THEY WILL POTENTIALLY BE SENDING OUT THE CERTIFIED RESULTS. IT WOULD BE AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON FRIDAY THE 15TH, SO I AM PROPOSING TO SCHEDULE THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH AT 6 P.M..
OKAY, THAT'S I GUESS WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THAT I'M GOOD WITH NOVEMBER 20TH.
AND THE ONLY OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO AT THAT POINT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO THE WAY I ENVISION IT, EVERYONE'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN WE CAME INTO OFFICE, RIGHT? WE THERE WAS SWEARING IN AND THEN INITIALLY THE THE OUTGOING MEMBERS HAVE THEIR THEIR TIME TO SPEAK AND AND BE RECOGNIZED AT THE SAME TIME. IS THAT CORRECT, MA'AM? CORRECT. BASICALLY, TERRY WILL BE THE CLERK ON DUTY.
COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON CERTIFYING THOSE RESULTS.
THE OUTGOING MEMBERS WILL GIVE THEIR OUTGOING SPEECHES.
THE NEW MEMBERS WILL BE SWORN IN AND GIVE THEIR INCOMING SPEECHES, AND THEY WILL.
THEN WE'RE ALL DONE. AND SELECTION OF DEPUTY MAYOR.
OH, AT THAT SAME MEETING, WE'LL DECIDE THE DEPUTY MAYOR.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOVEMBER 20TH IT IS.
NOW WE'RE ON COUNCIL REPORTS, COUNCILMAN WEINBERG.
[COUNCIL REPORTS:]
SURE YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.
I CERTAINLY WAS THANKING DEBATING.
DO I SPEAK TONIGHT OR SAVE IT FOR FOR OUR LAST MEETING?
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I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY.YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT PARTICIPATION AND OR VOTING PROCESS.
THE COMMUNITY IS CERTAINLY SMOKE.
THEY CAME OUT AND VOTE AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THEY THEY SPOKE AND WE ARE JUST LIKE TO THANK THEM AND THEN WE'LL I'LL HAVE MORE TO SAY OBVIOUSLY AT THE LAST, LAST MEETING.
BUT JUST LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND FOR VOTING.
WELL, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, DEPUTY MAYOR? SO I GUESS I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN WEINBERG, IT'S A REALLY BIG DAY COMING UP.
WE'VE GOT A VETERANS DAY PARADE AND COUPLED, AND PLEASE COME OUT AND THANK A VET.
AND I TRULY BELIEVE DEFENDING THIS REPUBLIC IS WORTH IT.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE SCARS THAT ARE UNSEEN.
A LITTLE EARLIER THIS EVENING, THERE WAS A CHAPLAIN FROM AMERICAN LEGION POST 117, AND SHE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY PEOPLE NEED TO RECOGNIZE IS IS DURING THESE HOLIDAY SEASONS, THERE'S A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH WHERE A LOT OF OUR VETERANS HAVE MISSED THEIR BATTLE BUDDIES.
THEY'VE LOST THEM, WHETHER IN COMBAT OR OTHERWISE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT OTHERS.
AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES A MEMBER BACK TO WHEN THEY FIRST LOST THAT BUDDY.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE TO TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
AT THE, AT THE RISK OF OF GETTING EMOTIONAL UP HERE, I KNOW OF SEVERAL MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE LOST THEIR BATTLE BUDDIES, AND IT'S A DIFFICULT PROCESS FOR THEM. ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT PROCESSES IS DURING THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, AND ALSO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT DAY, THAT OF LOSS AND AND THE 4TH OF JULY.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON AND SAY MAKE SURE YOU THANK A VET.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHOW HIM YOU APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DID.
YOU KNOW, JUST THE OTHER DAY, I, I WENT IN TO A VETERANS MEETING, AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
THE HEROES THAT ARE IN THE SUPERMARKET.
RIGHT NEXT TO ME WAS A SILVER STAR RECIPIENT.
BRONZE STAR RECIPIENT WITH A V, AND THESE GUYS GAVE IT ALL, AND YOU COULDN'T TELL.
THEY LOOKED LIKE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.
WE HAVE A MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT THAT LIVES IN COCOA.
ONE OF THE MOST HUMBLEST MEN I'VE EVER MET.
AND. AND TODAY IS A DAY THAT WE RECOGNIZE THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THEIR SACRIFICES.
SO MAKE SURE TO THE PALM BAY COMMUNITY, COME OUT TO PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD, COME OUT AND THANK A VET BECAUSE THERE'LL BE SOME FUN FOOD TRUCKS THAT THEY HAVE, BOUNCE HOUSES, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THIS YEAR.
SO COME OUT TO VETERANS PARK AND THE PARADE STARTS AT 1000 HOURS AND I'LL END IT THERE.
IS THIS SATURDAY? SATURDAY? THIS SATURDAY? WHAT TIME? SATURDAY.
PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD, VETERANS.
VETERANS PARK. THE PARADE IS GOING TO BE AT PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD, BUT SINCE I'M AT IT ON NOVEMBER 10TH, THE WORLD'S ELITE FIGHTING FORCE WAS BORN IN 1775, IN TUN TAVERN, PENNSYLVANIA.
YES, THE MARINE CORPS WAS BORN IN A BAR.
SO TO ALL MY FELLOW MARINES OUT THERE, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
HURRAH! THE MEN'S DEPARTMENT, SIR.
SIR. NOW WE'RE ON REPORTS, MADAM SHERMAN.
[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS:]
THE PARADE DOES START AT TEN.AS YOU SAID. IT STARTS AT TONY ROSA COMMUNITY CENTER AND GOES TO VETERANS PARK.
BUT ALSO, WE HAVE A CELEBRATION THAT THE MAYOR WAS MENTIONING FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY FROM 11 A.M.
SECONDLY, I WANTED TO MENTION IT WAS ALREADY COVERED BRIEFLY, BUT WE HAVE THE MALABAR ROAD PD AND E STUDY PUBLIC HEARING BEING HELD IN THIS CHAMBERS. NEXT THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH, BETWEEN 5 TO 6 P.M., WE WILL HAVE THERE WILL BE PROJECT DISPLAYS.
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SO THERE WOULD BE STAFF MEMBERS OF THE PGA TEAM THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO TALK THROUGH.SEE THE IDEAS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE STUDY.
AND THEN THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION WILL START AT 6 P.M..
SO ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN ATTENDING CAN CAN JOIN US HERE.
IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN ATTENDING.
BUT YOU CAN'T BE HERE PHYSICALLY.
THERE'S ALSO AN ONLINE LIVE ONLINE OPTION.
AND ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED IN THAT INFORMATION CANNOT FIND IT.
CAN EMAIL AT CITY MANAGER AT PALM BAY FLORIDA.ORG AND WE'LL GET THAT TO THEM.
LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR HURRICANE YARD DEBRIS COLLECTION.
BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED, LAST MEETING, THEY ARE STRETCHED THIN WITH RESOURCES ALL AROUND THE STATE.
THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING IN THREE TRUCKS.
WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC WORKS TRUCKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THIS AS WELL GOING FORWARD.
AND BETWEEN THEM WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THE CITY.
SO WE'VE COMPLETED COUNTRY CLUB UNITS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND TEN.
PORT MALABAR UNITS NINE, 29, 55 AND 60.
WE'VE GOT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN PORT MALABAR, UNIT 45 AND PORT MALABAR UNIT EIGHT.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL THAT WE ARE STEADILY WORKING ON IT, AND STAFF IS WORKING TO FIND ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND CONTINUES TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL TRUCKS FREED UP IN OTHER AREAS.
BUT SO FAR, WE STILL HAVE THAT SAME AMOUNT OF RESOURCES IN PLAY ON THE GROUND.
ALSO WORKING WITH REPUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP SMALLER PILES.
IT'S WITHIN THEIR CAPACITY, THEY CAN GET REALLY SMALL PILES.
SO AS WE AS WE IDENTIFY THOSE, WE'RE MAKING SURE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT TOO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE EFFORTS.
ALSO, OUR VEHICLES ARE PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES.
OUR VEHICLES WILL START MOVING INTO SOUTHWEST PORTIONS OF THE CITY, I BELIEVE, NEXT WEEK TO TRY TO SORT OF DISPERSE OUR EFFORTS SO THERE'S MORE VISIBILITY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
NO THANK YOU MA'AM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY IN GETTING THESE CONTRACTORS RIGHT BECAUSE OF THE STORMS EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT ARE WERE A LOT MORE SEVERE THAN OUR COMMUNITY.
YES, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL THE VOTERS WHO SUPPORTED THE REFERENDUM, WHICH ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO HIRE ASSISTANCE AS MY FELLOW CHARTER OFFICERS.
YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE TO THEM TOO.
WE'RE AT PUBLIC COMMENTS, DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. FISHER. ONCE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR
[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]
TIME. LANCE FISHER, 130 MALABAR ROAD.RECENTLY RETIRED DEPUTY CHIEF.
SO I WAS TALKING ABOUT OFFICER MITCHELL EARLIER ABOUT HIS PARALYZING OF THE OF THE YOUNG GENTLEMAN, MR. THOMPSON. MR. FARLEY, SO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, HE WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT WHERE HE WAS IN A VEHICLE PURSUIT CHASING A MOTORCYCLE.
OFFICER MITCHELL WAS IN THE PASSENGER SEAT OF THE VEHICLE.
HE HAD A TRAINEE IN THE DRIVER.
I RECOMMENDED AT THAT TIME THAT OFFICER MITCHELL BE TERMINATED AND THAT HE BE THAT HE BE PROSECUTED.
CHIEF ANGELO DISAGREED WITH ME.
BUT THE OFFICER NEVER, EVER SHOWED REMORSE.
NOR DID HE SAY THAT HE WAS WRONG IN THE INVESTIGATION.
SO WHEN YOU CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT, A CULTURE OF WILD, WILD WEST STUFF, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE CHIEF'S RESUME HERE REAL QUICK OVER THE TWO YEARS, BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME. FIRST OFF, LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT WE TALKED ABOUT DIVERSITY IN THE IN THE RANKS.
THE CHIEF'S STAFF IS SIX WHITE MALES, FIVE SWAT, ONE NON SWAT, SIX WHITE MALES.
SUZANNE MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE GETTING BETTER.
I THINK WE HAVE NINE LIEUTENANTS, TWO HISPANIC FEMALES, ALL REST WHITE MALES.
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WE'RE NOT GETTING VERY DIVERSE IN THAT.SO IN CHIEF'S TENURE, HE'S HAD AN OFFICER ARRESTED FOR SEXUAL BATTERY OF A 13 YEAR OLD.
60% OF HIS COMMAND STAFF HAS LEFT OR BEEN FORCED OUT.
NONE OF THOSE WERE SWAT MEMBERS, BY THE WAY.
SERGEANT MERTENS, HE'S STILL HE'S STILL A SERGEANT, AND HE'S STILL THE SBU.
PROGRAM. YOU HAVE ANOTHER SWAT SERGEANT THAT WAS NEVER CHARGED, THAT ALLEGEDLY WAS TURNING OFF HIS COMPUTER, LEAVING HIS COMPUTER AT THE STATION AND STATION VISITING A FEMALE OFFICER'S HOUSE.
DEPUTY CHIEF JEFF SPEIRS REFUSED TO INVESTIGATE HIM.
ALL HE DID WAS MOVE HIM TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE CITY.
MULTIPLE MULTIPLE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, ONE WHERE SWAT OFFICERS FIRED THROUGH AN OPEN FRONT DOOR, THROUGH THE HOUSE, THROUGH A CLOSED SLIDER, STRIKING THE MALE IN THE BACKYARD.
27 SHOTS WERE FIRED, AND HE WAS ULTIMATELY KILLED.
THE CHIEF ACTUALLY REFERRED TO THAT AS REFERRED TO HIS SWAT TEAM AS A FIRING SQUAD.
YET HE'S FAILED TO CHANGE THE TACTICS OR THE LEADERSHIP.
THESE ARE THE REASONS OUR CITIZENS ARE BEING HARASSED AND HARMED.
JUST LIKE AT 746 HAMPTON STREET.
THANK YOU. WHEN WE CONTINUE TO VIOLATE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE THREE MINUTES? THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, MADAM SHERMAN, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THERE'S ALWAYS COMMENTS ABOUT THE CHIEF AND THE CULTURE THAT HE'S BUILDING WITHIN THE RANKS.
AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, I SEE IT TOTALLY DIFFERENTLY.
FOR THE RECORD, I SEE THEM THRIVING EACH AND EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL THAT I SEE OUT THERE.
I SEE THEM IN A POSITIVE ATTITUDE.
BUT WHAT DEPUTY, THE FORMER DEPUTY CHIEF, HAS CONTINUALLY COME UP HERE AND ATTEMPTED TO THROW SHADE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH, BY THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
I TRULY APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO OUT THERE.
AND AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS, WHAT IS IT? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S BEYOND THAT? BECAUSE IF HE KEEPS COMING UP HERE TO TO CONTINUE TO HARASS THE CHIEF AND THE DEPARTMENT, IT'S HIS RIGHT TO PUBLICLY SPEAK.
BUT WHAT WAS IT THAT THAT TURNED THE TIDE HERE? WHY IS HE. WHY WAS HE.
WHY DID HE RESIGN? WHY DID HE RETIRE? ULTIMATELY? WHAT OCCURRED? IF YOU'D LIKE US TO GO THROUGH THE ISSUES WITH DEPUTY CHIEF FISHER, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US? YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT CAUSED ALL OF THIS FRICTION ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BUILDING A GOOD CULTURE HERE.
SO YOU WANT ME TO BEGIN FROM THE BEGINNING? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE A MINUTE? WELL, SIR. CARRY ON.
SO SO I FIND IT IRONIC, AND I AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE THE COMMENT OF THROWING SHADE DISCUSSION, MY NAME MENTIONING MY FAMILY BOTH BLUE AND BLOOD.
SO WITH REGARDS TO THE FORMER OFFICER, MR. FISHER COMMENTS ABOUT A CULTURE THAT'S BEING CREATED UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION.
IF IT IS A NEGATIVE CULTURE, HE'S COMPLICIT TO IT.
SO HE MENTIONS CERTAIN OFFICERS NAMES THIS EVENING, ONE THAT HE'S MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY SEVERAL TIMES, WHO'S WORKING UNDER A CERTAIN CAPACITY, AND HE'S ENDANGERING HIS LIFE BY MENTIONING HIS NAME, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'LL BE GETTING WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY ON.
BUT THIS STARTS BACK IN APRIL.
BACK IN APRIL, WHERE THERE WERE FIVE INSTANCES OF INSUBORDINATION BY
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THE FORMER DEPUTY CHIEF, MR. FISHER. FIVE SEPARATE INCIDENTS OF INSUBORDINATION.CONDUCT UNBECOMING OF AN OFFICER.
A MEETING THAT WAS HELD WITH MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER AT HIS REQUEST.
AND IN THAT MEETING HIS DISPLEASURE THAT HE POINTED OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER OF ME.
I BELIEVE THE WORDS, TO BE EXACT, WERE YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE GOING TO RETIRE AFTER TWO YEARS, BUT YET YOU'RE STILL HERE AND IT'S AFFECTING MY PLANS WITH MY RETIREMENT, MEANING HIS AND HIS DROP MONEY FROM HIS RETIREMENT.
SO AT THAT POINT, I ASKED MR. FISHER TO TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS OFF, TAKE SOME TIME OFF SO WE CAN JUST EVERYBODY CAN CALM DOWN.
SO IT'S NO ISSUES WITHIN THE AGENCY OF A THREE PERSON, 300 PERSON DEPARTMENT.
AT THAT POINT, HE WAS GOING TO BE PLACED ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE PENDING AN INVESTIGATION.
AND EVEN WITH THAT, I CHOSE TO GIVE HIM GRACE.
SO IT WAS A TOTAL OF TWO WEEKS.
WEEK WENT BY, I CHECKED IN ON HIM TEXT MESSAGES, WHICH I HAVE.
HE CLAIMED IN THE PAST THAT NOBODY EVER REACHED OUT TO HIM.
LEAVES THE CONFERENCE WITHOUT LETTING HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND KNOW WHICH IS ME.
MAKES HIS OWN PLANS TO COME BACK EARLY.
THAT'S FINE. HE FELT THAT HE WAS IN NEED TO BE BACK HOME WITH HIS FAMILY.
UNDERSTOOD? NEVER TOLD ME ANYTHING.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE HE STOOD WITH ME.
I SAID, WE'LL DISCUSS IT IN PERSON, NOT OVER THE PHONE, BEING OUT OF STATE.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, HE GOES OUT ON MEDICAL.
THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THAT HE WAS DONE MISTREATED IN TERMS OF WHY HE'S NO LONGER DEPUTY CHIEF.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE OTHER FACTORS OF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T BASED ON, YOU KNOW, BASED ON LAWS WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THERE WAS INSUBORDINATION.
SO IT ISN'T ANYTHING OUT OF NOWHERE THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS NOW UP HERE THROWING SHADE AT ME, AT MY FAMILY, BOTH MY BLOOD FAMILY AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY SACRIFICING.
SO LET ME MAKE A COMMENT BASED ON WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER, BECAUSE I APOLOGIZE THAT I WASN'T HERE EARLIER THIS EVENING BECAUSE I WAS I WAS REPRESENTING THE CITY OF PALM BAY IN ANOTHER CITY AT A COMMUNITY FORUM.
SO WITH REGARDS TO THE INCIDENT INVOLVING AN OFFICER MITCHELL AND THAT HAZING INCIDENT, WHICH CURRENTLY IS AN OPEN CASE FOR THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO AND I BRIEFED YOU EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL LAST WEEK WITH THE WITH AN EMAIL WITH REGARDS TO THE PROTOCOL AND THE PROCESSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF POLICY.
THERE WAS NO WRONGDOING FROM THAT OFFICER, FROM THAT EMPLOYEE.
THERE WAS CONSULTATION WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THERE WAS CONSULTATION WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THEN, NOT OCTOBER 30TH.
THE INVESTIGATION WAS DONE IN JUNE WHEN THE INCIDENT TOOK PLACE, THERE WAS A REVIEW THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF BY OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS OFFICE, AND THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT WE ALWAYS MANAGE, AND HE'S AWARE OF THAT.
THE OTHER INCIDENT THAT HE'S CLAIMING THAT NOTHING WAS DONE.
THE OFFICER WAS SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY FOR THE INCIDENT THAT HE MENTIONED EARLIER.
HE WAS SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY FOR THOSE ACTIONS THAT HE MENTIONED PRIOR.
HE'S UPSET BECAUSE HE COULDN'T RETIRE WHEN HE WANTED TO RETIRE.
AND HE WASN'T THE POLICE CHIEF.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. THOSE WERE HIS WORDS, NOT MINE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING, MADAM SHERMAN? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.
GOOD EVENING. DOWNPOUR FOR TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE NORTHEAST.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE CANDIDATES FOR RUNNING, AND THEY WORKED HARD.
AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THOSE WHO WON.
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AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES THAT I TALKED TO WERE VERY OPEN.WE WERE ABLE TO DISCUSS SUBJECTS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY.
SO I WANT TO THANK DONNIE FELIX FOR HIS CONCERN, ESPECIALLY DURING VOTING AT TONY ROSA, BECAUSE WE HAD TWO ACCIDENTS, PLUS THE ONE ON VOTING DAY WAS PRETTY BAD, BUT IT WASN'T NEAR TONY ROSA.
WE HAD EIGHT POLICE CARS TO RESCUE TRUCKS, TWO AMBULANCES, TWO FIRE TRUCKS.
AND SO THAT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY WILD.
BUT THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED HIM IS ABOUT PUTTING A FLASHING LIGHT AT TONY ROSA, OR SOME SORT OF INDICATION THAT WALKER'S TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT.
TWO WITH THE STORAGE UNITS, DISCUSSION AND BUSINESSES.
I THINK I TALKED WITH MR. JOHNSON ABOUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE, AND I'VE NOTICED THAT IN OTHER CITIES, A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES STORAGE UNITS ARE FURTHER BACK OFF THE ROAD.
AND I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE ONE THAT'S GOING ON.
BABCOCK. THEY TOTALLY TOOK DOWN EVERY SINGLE TREE THAT'S ON THAT LOT.
AND THOSE WERE BEAUTIFUL PINE TREES IN THERE.
SO I THINK AS A CITY, IF WE WANT TO HAVE IT LOOKING MORE APPEALING, APPEALING THAT WE HAVE MORE OF A BORDER IN THE FRONT, NOT HAVING THE BUILDINGS RIGHT OFF THE STREET.
THREE REPUBLIC I REALLY DON'T LIKE HAVING THEM COMING DOWN MY STREET TWICE A WEEK, AND I'VE GOT TRUCKS COMING AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO ONCE A WEEK? YARD TRASH IS ONCE, HOUSE TRASH IS ANOTHER AND THEN RECYCLING IS ANOTHER.
AND SUZANNE, YOU JUST RAN OFF A BUNCH OF NUMBERS SO MY NEIGHBORHOOD HASN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET.
SO IS THAT NEXT ON THE LIST? I THINK WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE WAYS TO GO TO GET TO YOU, MISS DALPRA.
SORRY. AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, A WEEK, TWO, THREE A MONTH.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY KEEP YOU UPDATED AS WE GET CLOSER.
SO IF WE CAN GET THAT SQUARED AWAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I WILL COMMENT ON THE ONCE A WEEK PICKUP.
I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SAID ON THE COUNCIL BEFORE THAT.
AND AND HE HAD THIS CHAMBER FILLED WITH PEOPLE THAT WANTED TWICE A WEEK TRASH PICKUP.
SO COUNCIL REACTED TO WHAT THE POPULATION WANTED AT THAT GIVEN TIME, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES. STEP FORWARD.
SHARON. OH. OH, BUTCHER'S GOT A BUTCHER'S HIS BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKED IT OR NOT, BUT YOU RAN 219 TRENTON AVENUE HERE IN PALM BAY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BULK WASTE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE STORM, SO I'M WONDERING, DID THEY STOP DOING THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS? GO AHEAD, FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL GET ANSWERS FOR YOU.
THERE'S A LIVE WIRE TAPED TO A TREE IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
THAT WIRE POWERS THE STREET LIGHT AT WELLWOOD AND TRENTON.
I SAY WE, THE NEIGHBORS AND MYSELF HAVE CALLED FPL NUMEROUS TIMES.
THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN YET. THE WIRE STILL TAPED TO THE TREE.
IT'S RIGHT AT THE RIGHT, AT THE INTERSECTION OF TRENTON AND WELLWOOD ON THE NORTH END.
TRENTON AND WHAT? WELLWOOD. IT'S AT THE END OF THE STREET, YOU SAID.
IT'S RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF TRENTON AND WELLWOOD.
OKAY. IT'S AT. YOU CAN SEE IT.
THERE'S A BIG PIECE OF BLUE TAPE AROUND IT, SO NOBODY WILL WALK UP AND TOUCH IT.
THE OTHER THING, THE LADY THAT WAS JUST UP MENTIONED THE VARIATIONS ON HOUSE HEIGHT.
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I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT SETTLED ALREADY.EVIDENTLY, THE CONTRACTORS DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A SETTLEMENT FOR THAT.
I'VE GOT THREE HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER ONE IS DOWN ABOUT THREE FOOT.
THE RECENT ONE IS FREAKING GROUND LEVEL.
IT LOOKS LIKE A HILL GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO WHO TO DISCUSS THAT WITH.
I THINK THAT'S IT, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
SO I THINK MR. BARTON WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT, BUT.
YEAH, IT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DISCUSSION.
I'VE NOTED YOUR WELL, WITH TRENTON CONCERN ABOUT THE STREET LIGHT WITH THE.
SO WE'LL WE'LL GET WITH FPL ON THAT AND BULK WASTE NEVER STOPPED.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE AFTER THE STORM.
IF SOMEONE MAKES LIKE THE TRUCK HASN'T BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YET.
IF YOU. AND YOU'RE SEEING PILES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PICKED UP.
SO THEN WE NEED TO KNOW SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR.
I JUST SENT OUR REPRESENTATIVE, MICHELLE FROM FPL ON THAT ADDRESS.
OKAY. THE SAME THING THAT YOU SAID.
YEAH. YEAH. SO I JUST SENT HER I HAD A FEW MINUTES.
AND THEY DON'T COPY THAT AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BACK.
I JUST SENT AN EMAIL MASTER CHIEF, AND THEN MISTER STICE.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU ENJOYED THAT ONE, DIDN'T YOU? OKAY. THE THE.
IT WAS PAYING UP OUT OF THE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE OF $65,000.
BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS IS THE FACT THAT IT'S AT THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS AND THAT WE, THE CITY, HAS TO PAY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR MAINTAINING OF THESE CROSSINGS. AND IT'S A NOTICEABLE CHUNK OF CHANGE.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, SINCE WE'RE JUST LOOKING UP THERE AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND FOR OUR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WELL, IF WE'RE THE LARGEST CITY IN BREVARD COUNTY, WE HAVE THE LONGEST AMOUNT OF RAILROAD TRACKS RUNNING THROUGH OUR CITY.
THEN WHY AREN'T WE EVEN CONSIDERED FOR ONE OF THE STOPS ON THE TRAINS ON THE TRAIN ROUTE.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE TO PAY ALL THIS MONEY.
SO PUT IT MAYBE PUT IT IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT, HEY, LOOK AT US.
WE'RE THE BIGGEST CITY IN BREVARD COUNTY.
YES, SIR. THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT COCOA RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW WE HAVE A TEN YEAR CONTRACT.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN NEGOTIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW? IS THERE NO NEGOTIATIONS? AND I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT.
I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND WE NEED TO SERVICE THE CUSTOMERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.
IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.
AND IF I HAVE TIME, I WANT TO CALL OUT THE POLICE CHIEF, IF I MAY.
I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR TWO YEARS.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, MY BROTHER MIKE, WHO'S BEEN A COP FOR 33 YEARS, WHY DON'T WE TAKE AN OLD CRUISER AND PUT IT OUT THERE? WELL, AN OLD CRUISER SHOWED UP ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, AND THIS IS GREAT.
THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE TICKETS AND WHATNOT.
THEN I FOUND IT WASN'T OCCUPIED.
BUT AFTER THE THIRD WEEK, PEOPLE WERE JUST HAULING ASS IN THAT AREA AND THEN COMING ON THERE.
SO WHEN I WHEN I SAID, COME ON, WE GOT TO GET THAT OUT OF HERE.
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THEY JUST MOVED IT TO THE NEXT LIKE 50FT AWAY.NOW IT'S FACING SOUTH SO YOU CAN SEE INSIDE AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOBODY IN IN THERE.
SO IT WORKED FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I APPRECIATE APPRECIATED CHIEF BUT I'M SURPRISED THAT THE TIRES ARE STILL ON THE VEHICLE.
SO THERE. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO.
MAYBE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY OUT THERE FOR WHAT YOU DID.
YOU JUST TOOK ME BACK TO THE BRONX.
I NOTICED THAT YOU KNOW YOUR NAME.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I WHAT I HAVE NOTICED IS THE FHP DOES THE SAME THING, AND THEY MOVE THE VEHICLE ON I-95, IN PARTICULAR VIERA AND SUCH.
RIGHT. I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET A MANNEQUIN.
AND PERHAPS WE JUST JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.
SO THEY GO INTO HIGH OCCUPANCY LANE.
I THINK WE'RE KIND OF EXHAUSTED POSTED HERE.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK REAL QUICK? SIR, YOU ALREADY SPOKE.
YOU GOT YOUR THREE MINUTES? NO, SIR.
AL VEGA FROM 1680 MAIN STREET.
JUST BASED ON THAT LAST TOPIC CAME UP WITH THE THE POLICE CARS.
AND WHAT YOU DO, SOME OF THE DAYS, YOU GET A REAL COP SITTING THERE AND TAKE SOME SPEED TRAPS, SO.
AND THE FINE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO HELP THE FINE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS $100, YOU MAKE IT 200.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I THINK PARKING, PARKING THE CAR IS VERY GOOD AND DIFFERENT ERAS, EVEN EVEN BY TWO IN A ROW.
ALSO, YOU KNOW I GOT SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT WHEN THE NEW THE NEW COUNCIL SEAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE CANDIDATE FOR CITY, AND IT WAS A VERY CLOSE RACE.
SO I WOULD PASS THEM ON TO THE NEW THE NEW COUNCIL.
JUST TO SEE I TOLD MY SHERMAN THE YOU READ ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION ON MALABAR ROAD, MINTON ROAD AND RIGHT ACROSS THE JUPITER WHERE WE NEED SOME LIGHTING AND THAT LITTLE BANNER ON THE ON THE TELEPHONE POLES, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, EVEN WEST MELBOURNE ONE OF OUR SMALLEST CITY HAS IT.
AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING, YOU KNOW, AND FOR US TO BE THE BEST CITY IN THE IN THE WORLD, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON A LITTLE BEAUTIFICATION ALSO ALONG THE LINE.
SO. BUT I'LL MENTION IT LATER ON.
GOOD NIGHT. THANKS A LOT, MR. GARY. HAVE YOU TRIED CALLING YOUR OPPONENT AND SHARING THOSE THOUGHTS? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY ONE INDIVIDUAL, BUT I'M GOING TO MENTION IT.
I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE THERE'D BE A GOOD TIME FOR YOU TO HAVE DIALOG WITH THEM.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, I CONGRATULATE DONNY FELIX WHEN HE RAN AND HE AND PETE FILIBERTO HAD DIALOG AND AND IT IT WENT A LONG WAY, THAT'S WHY.
AND YOU WERE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT DEPUTY MAYOR.
AND SO I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP WAS REALLY TO BE COMMENDED WITH THAT.
YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT I IT'S IN MY MEMORY BANK.
OF WHAT? HOW HE WHEN HE WAS ABLE TO, TO WIN THAT ELECTION.
THEY, THEY HAD A RELATIONSHIP AFTER AFTER THAT.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE IN THE CITY FOR A WHILE? AND MY FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS TREATED EQUALLY.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I THINK WE GOT EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU.
DARREN. DARREN? NO. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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YOU ASKED WHY?* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.