Nov 21, 2024 Council Meetings - Regular

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS:]

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M LOOKING.

THE AUDIENCE. IS TRUDY MCCARTHY HERE OR SOMEONE FROM THE EDC? THIS IS TERRY.

WAS SCHEDULED THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT, THE EDC.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE FROM THEM, SO.

OKAY. SO WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? CARDS? YES.

FIRST PUBLIC CARD IS FROM LANCE FISHER.

LANCE FISHER, DEPUTY CHIEF PALM BAY RETIRED 130 MALABAR ROAD ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2022.

MR. SCOTT MCINTYRE WAS RIDING A SEGWAY WHEN HE WAS STOPPED BY OFFICER UNNAMED.

HE WAS UNLAWFULLY DETAINED AND ULTIMATELY ARRESTED FOR RESISTING AT THE HOSPITAL.

THE CORPORAL ARRESTED HIM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CHARGES TO BE FILED.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY CHARGES TO BE FILED.

THERE'S CURRENTLY A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT PENDING BETWEEN ONE CASTRO OFFICER, UNNAMED AND DEREK MITCHELL DECEMBER 11TH, 2022.

JACOB MITCHELL WAS TASED, BEATEN WHILE BEING PLACED UNDER ARREST FOR MISUSE OF 901.

HE WAS ULTIMATELY TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL FOR FACIAL INJURIES AND A BROKEN ORBITAL SOCKET.

YOU CAN GOOGLE PALM BAY RECORDED PUNCHING SUSPECT DURING ARREST AND WATCHED THE HORRIFIC VIDEO.

OFFICER UNNAMED WAS JUST INVOLVED IN THE DECEMBER 2ND INCIDENT WHEN CHIEF MARIO AGUILAR SPOKE TO THE OFFICER IN THE PARKING LOT.

HE REPLIED, I DEALT WITH HIM BEFORE AND HE PISSED ME OFF.

AUGUST 23RD, 2023 OFFICER MITCHELL PULLED UP ALONGSIDE MR. ESTEBAN. MORRIS UTILIZED HIS TASER, CAUSING MR. MORRIS TO CRASH HIS DIRTBIKE, BREAKING FIVE OF HIS RIBS AND HIS LEFT LEFT CLAVICLE.

DURING THE INTENT, THEN DURING THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, OFFICER MITCHELL SAID HE DID NOT AGREE THAT TASING MR. MORRIS, WHO WAS ON A DIRT BIKE TRAVELING AT TEN MILES AN HOUR FROM THE PASSENGER SEAT OF A MOVING VEHICLE, WOULD PLACE MR. MORRIS AT RISK FOR UNNECESSARY INJURY.

OFFICER MITCHELL ADVISED HE DID NOT BELIEVE HE VIOLATED ANY POLICIES.

ON AUGUST 28TH, 2024, OFFICER MITCHELL AGAIN TASED MR. THOMAS FARLEY, WHO WAS AT THE TOP OF THE FENCE, CAUSING HIM TO FALL AND PARALYZING HIM.

THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE IS HORRIFIC TO WATCH AS THE OFFICERS PULL, TWIST AND COMMAND MR. FARLEY TO ROLL OVER AS HE'S TOLD THEM MULTIPLE TIMES THAT HE IS PARALYZED.

SERGEANT MITCHELL INDICATES THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHARGES, AND OFFICER MITCHELL STATES HE TASED MR. FARLEY SIX TIMES IN VIOLATION OF POLICY.

THE USE OF FORCE WAS SIGNED OFF BY A LIEUTENANT INSTEAD OF A COMMANDER OR DEPUTY CHIEF, AND IN VIOLATION OF POLICY.

THE USE OF FORCE INDICATED THAT THE FORCE WAS IN COMPLIANCE.

THE POLICY STATES THE DIVISION COMMANDER OR DEPUTY CHIEF WILL REVIEW THE RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE.

THE DIVISION COMMANDER OR DEPUTY CHIEF OR SUPERVISOR WILL NOT DETERMINE ON THE RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE FORM WHETHER THE FORCE WAS IN POLICY INVOLVING INCIDENTS WHERE A PERSON SUSTAINED SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR DEATH.

I BELIEVE PARALLELIZATION WOULD FALL INTO THAT.

CHIEF AJELLO GAVE A STATEMENT THE MOMENT MY OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED OF THE INCIDENT.

A THOROUGH EXAMINATION WAS CONDUCTED THROUGH OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS AND DIVISION AND TRAINING SERGEANT.

THROUGH THE BODY CAM AUDIT.

THE TRAINING DIVISION OFFICER, DAVE MORALES, REVIEWED THE THE FOOTAGE ON OCTOBER 30TH AND THE TASER MASTER TASER REVIEWED THE THE BODY CAMERA ON

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OCTOBER 31ST, LONG AFTER THE JUNE INCIDENT.

THAT APPEARS TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH CHIEF MARIO GELO'S STATEMENTS.

HOSPITALIZATION. BROKEN RIBS, BROKEN CLAVICLE.

PARALLELIZATION. WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE FOR AN OUTSIDE AGENCY? DOES A FULL REVIEW OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF FORCE? KISSIMMEE PD HAD THE COURAGE TO DO AN INTERNAL REVIEW, WHERE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND DEPUTY CHIEF RESIGNED, AND THE COMMAND STAFF IS BEING REEVALUATED.

NOT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA FOR THE PALM BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I DO HAVE SOLUTIONS AND I HAVE IDEAS, AND I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

MADAM ATTORNEY. HE MENTIONED A FEW A FEW COMMENTS THERE REGARDING A PENDING LAWSUIT? YES. WOULD YOU PLEASE RESPOND, SIR? THANK YOU. YOU MAY.

YOU MAY BE EXCUSED.

OH, THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. NEGATIVE, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. YES. SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT MR. FISHER SPOKE ABOUT ARE IN ACTIVE LITIGATION OR IN LITIGATION IS IMMINENT.

CERTAINLY THE ONES THAT WHERE THE LITIGATION IS, THE CITY HAS ALREADY RESPONDED TO THOSE.

AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THOSE MATTERS IN THE COURTS.

THOSE THAT WERE LITIGATION IS IMMINENT.

CHIEF HAS PROVIDED A RESPONSE, AND IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE CASES ARE FULLY WITHIN THE COURT AND TO DEAL WITH THEM AT THAT VENUE, RATHER THAN TO CONTINUE TO SPEAK UPON THEM OUTSIDE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

IT'S JUST A LOT OF OFFICERS NAMES ARE BEING THROWN OUT THERE, AND AND I KNOW THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN GIVE SO MUCH OF THEMSELVES, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOW THEM IN A DARK LIGHT, AND I.

I JUST DON'T APPRECIATE COMMENTS LIKE THAT.

THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE OUT THERE, AND THEY'RE THE FIRST TIP OF THE SPEAR FOR US.

AND ALL I'M HEARING IS CONDEMNATION.

I DON'T ACCEPT THOSE.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

DEPUTY MAYOR. THE NEXT SPEAKER CARD IS PASTOR MARK MILLER.

ALL RIGHT. PASTOR MARK MILLER, 898 NELSON AVENUE.

MAN, LOOK AT THOSE SMILING FACES UP THERE.

LAST NIGHT WAS AWESOME.

IT WAS GREAT TO BE HERE AS PART OF THAT KIND OF SWEARING IN CEREMONY.

AND SO GOD BLESS YOU GUYS, MAN.

IT WAS AWESOME. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT.

EXODUS 18 REMINDS US, RIGHT? TEACH THE DECREES AND INSTRUCTIONS.

AND AS I LISTEN TO EACH OF YOU GUYS UP THERE LAST NIGHT, I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN TAUGHT DECREES AND INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE WORD.

IN VERSE 21.

IT SAYS, SELECT CAPABLE MEN FROM ALL THE PEOPLE.

MEN WHO FEAR GOD, TRUSTWORTHY MEN WHO HATE DISHONEST GAIN AND APPOINT THEM AS OFFICIALS OVER THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS, 50S AND TENS.

NOW, BASED ON MY INTERACTION WITH MANY OF YOU GUYS DURING THE CANDIDATE MEET AND GREETS BEFORE THE ELECTION CERTAINLY YOUR PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND AND THEN LAST NIGHT'S CEREMONY, I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY HAVE DONE JUST THAT, RIGHT.

100%. WE HAVE DONE OUR PART.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS DONE OUR PART.

WE HAVE ELECTED AND SELECTED MEN WHO SAY THEY FEAR GOD.

TRUSTWORTHY MEN WHO HATE DISHONEST GAIN, MEN WHO SAY THEY ARE TRUSTWORTHY.

MEN WHO SAY THAT IT'S TIME TO BRING HONOR AND INTEGRITY AND HONESTY BACK INTO THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

SO ON THIS FIRST DAY, THE WORD THAT COMES TO MY HEART IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

CERTAINLY TO MASTER SERGEANT WHO'S ALWAYS HERE.

CERTAINLY TO THE 140,000 RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY.

BUT AS MEN OF GOD, AS YOU ALL CLAIM TO BE, THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE LORD GOD ABOVE.

RIGHT. AND IN ROMANS IT SAYS, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS.

THEN EVERY ONE OF US WILL GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO GOD.

IN MATTHEW 1236 IT SAYS, I TELL YOU, JESUS IS SPEAKING.

HE SAYS, I TELL YOU, EVERYONE IS GOING TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT FOR EVERY EMPTY WORD THEY HAVE SPOKEN.

AND IN JAMES, WHOEVER KNOWS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND DOESN'T DO IT FOR THEM, IT IS SIN.

SO MANY MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

JUST DO EVERYTHING AS UNTO THE LORD, RIGHT WITH A RIGHTEOUS HEART.

AND AS YOU GUYS START A NEW A NEW YEAR, A NEW SEASON FOR THIS AWESOME CITY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO GET TO WORK AND IT'S TIME TO GET TO WORK.

AND I'M FILLED WITH HOPE.

I'M FILLED WITH A LOT OF HOPE FOR THIS CITY.

I'M FILLED WITH A LOT OF HOPE WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS BEEN SELECTED.

I'M FILLED WITH HOPE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND A BALANCED BUDGET AND GOOD PAYING JOBS ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO PALM BAY.

I'M FILLED WITH HOPE THAT WE CAN RESTORE THE TRUST, THE INTEGRITY, THE CHARACTER, THE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND MAKE PALM BAY THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

SO I JUST CAME UP TODAY TO REMIND YOU OF WHO WE ACTUALLY SERVE AT THE END, TO NOT FORGET THE 140,000 THAT ARE HERE.

AND TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GREAT SERVICE TO THIS CITY.

AND PLEASE KNOW THAT MYSELF AND THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION AT VICTORY WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR YOU.

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AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN HELP SERVE OR WHATEVER, BE IT A SPIRITUAL ADVISORY COUNCIL OR 30 YEARS IN AEROSPACE LEADERSHIP, WHATEVER I CAN DO, MAN, I'M HERE TO HELP. AND AND SO IS OUR CHURCH.

AND WE WANT TO BE A ENGAGED IN OUR COMMUNITY TO CHANGE THE FACE OF THE CHURCH, IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO MAKE SOME NOISE FOR JESUS TO REPRESENT WELL.

SO GOD BLESS YOU GUYS.

NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT SPEAKER CARD IS BILL BATTEN, MASTER CHIEF.

I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS.

FIRST ITEM IS I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT LOOKS GOOD SEEING FIVE CHAIRS UP THERE FILLED INSTEAD OF 3 OR 4.

FIVE LOOKS BETTER.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT REPRESENTING THE CITY.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE MAYOR BECAUSE HE WAS REELECTED TO THE SYSTEM.

HE'S NOT A NEW MEMBER SITTING UP THERE.

HE IS REELECTED INTO HIS POSITION.

SO I RECOGNIZE YOU ALSO.

MY REQUEST IS THAT YOU DO NOT OVERLOOK YOUR OATH OF OFFICE THAT YOU TOOK.

FOLLOW YOUR OATH OF OFFICE.

STAY TRUE TO WHAT THAT OATH SAID.

THAT'S THE FIRST PART.

I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SITTING UP THERE AND THAT WAS PHIL WEINBERG.

I WANTED TO DO THIS WHEN HE WAS STILL SITTING THERE, BUT I DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE HE WAS BACK IN THE AUDIENCE WITH THE REST OF US WHO ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING YOUR EVERY ACTION.

SO TO PHIL WEINBERG, I CAN ONLY ADDRESS THE MAYOR.

BUT PHIL, I SEE YOU.

THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DID, STEPPING UP THERE AND FILLING THE GAP FOR THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

I AM ALSO VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE REAPPLYING FOR YOUR POSITION ON TILLMAN CANAL DISTRICT, MELBOURNE, TILLMAN CANAL DISTRICT, AND I WISH YOU LUCK AND THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING TO STEP FORWARD WHEN THEY NEEDED SOMEBODY TO STEP FORWARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU PHIL.

YEAH. THANK YOU PHIL. NEXT SPEAKER CARD I APOLOGIZE.

HAVING A HARD TIME READING THE FIRST NAME, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A MR. WOODRUM.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THESE THREE MINUTES RIGHT ON THE MOUNTAIN, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THESE THREE MINUTES.

AND THIS IS FOR MY TWO MARINES UP THERE.

I'M 75 AND I CAN'T MOVE.

AND I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING HERE.

I HAND WROTE A LETTER AND HAND DELIVERED IT TO YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

I WANTED A TOUR OF THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT AT BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL AND ALSO OSMOSIS WATER PLANT, AND I NEVER GOT THEM.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT I THINK CONJECTURE BECAUSE I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T GET THE TOUR OF THESE PLACES, BUT RIGHT NOW, PRETTY UPSET ABOUT BEING FORCED ON TO WATER AND SEWER.

EVENTUALLY, WHEN THE CITY NOT JUST ONCE BUT SEVERAL TIMES AND THIS LAST TIME, 467,400 GALLONS OF RAW SEWAGE WENT INTO THE INDIAN RIVER AND MY LITTLE SEPTIC SYSTEM.

NOW I'M REALLY GOING TO FIGHT THAT.

BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL, I FOUND OUT I HAVE A LITTLE HISTORY FOR YOU.

THREE YEARS I SERVED ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR CITIZENS REVIEW.

CAN YOU TRY AND STAY ON THE MIC, SIR? I THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND I ALSO DID ALSO ALMOST SIX MONTHS WITH FACILITIES VOLUNTEERING TO HELP THEM BID OUT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

SO I GIVE BACK TO THE CITY.

WHAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE THE TREATMENT PLAN UP HERE, BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL IS IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE AN INCINERATOR THERE.

I GUESS THEY DO, BUT IT'S SUPPOSEDLY TREATED AND THEN INJECTED BACK DOWN INTO THE AQUIFER.

MY AQUIFER STARTS AT AROUND 20FT TO 60FT.

NOW, THERE COULD NEVER BE A PROBLEM WITH THE PIPE OR SOMETHING DOWN IN THE GROUND THAT COULD RUIN MY WATER SOURCE.

THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING I'M VERY, VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.

THE GROWTH THAT WE GOT HERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S GOT TO GET UNDER CONTROL.

RESIDENTIAL GROWTH DOES NOT PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.

SO WE'VE GOT TO GET A HOLD ON IT.

BRING IN THE JOBS.

THIS IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

IT'S PROBABLY ALWAYS GOING TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

WE GOT THAT HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT HERE, THE COMPOUND THAT WE COULD BE GOING TO NEW YORK CITY AND OTHER PLACES AND BRINGING

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IN PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MANUFACTURE OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO WIND UP, BECAUSE WE GOT A TREMENDOUS WORKFORCE HERE THAT'LL WORK FOR $15 AN HOUR.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I'M GOING TO FIGHT THIS GROWTH AND THANK YOU.

I VOTED FOR ALL THREE OF YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

PART OF THAT GROWTH THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY, THAT THAT STIGMA IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR, OR AT LEAST COUNCILMAN, JOHNSON AND MYSELF OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

AND TO THAT, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE COMPOUND, YOU'RE SPOT ON.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE TO CREATE JOBS.

SO THAT IS THAT IS THE FOCUS.

THAT HAS BEEN THE STRATEGY.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.

AND AND WE ARE WORKING HARD TO, TO TRY AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR A FACT.

WELL, UNLESS IT'S CHANGED BUT THAT NONE OF IT WAS ZONED, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD WIDGETS, THEY WOULD ZONE IT FOR THEIR PARTICULAR USES.

SAINT ANDRE'S IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN END AND THEN BACK OUT WHEN THAT GETS FINISHED.

OUR ISSUE IS A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'VE BEEN RECRUITING.

WE'RE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE AN AIRPORT.

FEDEX. WELL, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT.

THANK YOU. SIR. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER CARD, ROBERT STICE.

GOOD EVENING. ROBERT STICE, 1796 WOODBROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

I'M NOT USED TO LOOKING RIGHT AND SEEING OCCUPIED AND UP FOR REELECTION, TOO, SO CONGRATULATIONS, EVERYBODY.

AND I VOTED FOR Y'ALL.

OKAY, THAT'S SENATOR MAYER CAN UNDERSTAND ME.

I DON'T MEAN TO PREACH, BUT BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT.

WE HAVE A NEW I WAS AT THE, YOU KNOW, COME MEET THE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

I KNOW YOU WANT TO JUMP IN.

I KNOW YOU SEE AREAS TO IMPROVE.

BASICALLY, I WAS ALWAYS COACHED, AND ANYTHING I WAS IN THAT TRYING TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH, SO I GET THAT.

BUT I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH CITY STAFF FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW.

THESE PEOPLE IN MY MIND, HAVE BEEN OVERWORKED.

THEY WORK HARD.

THEY'VE ALWAYS RETURNED PHONE CALLS.

THEY'VE DONE WALKS WITH ME AND MY HOA AND HELPED ME ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAD.

SO BEFORE YOU PULL OUT YOUR LIGHTSABERS, I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO A SERIOUS DIVE DOWN AND LOOK AT AND ASSESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED, WHAT WORKS, WHAT CAN GET BETTER, AND DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS WEEK, NEXT WEEK, OR THE WEEK AFTER.

THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON HERE.

I THINK A LOT'S BEEN DONE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

AS A FELLOW CITIZEN AND AN HOA BOARD PRESIDENT, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HEARD TAXES WERE BEING CHOKED ON TAXES. I'VE COME HERE TIME AND AGAIN AND SHOWED VIDEOS OF SIX APARTMENT BUILDINGS GOING UP DUMPING OFF ON ON THE TWO LANE STREET.

AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS HORRIBLE.

WHY DO WE KEEP BUILDING WHEN WE CAN'T MOVE OUR PEOPLE IN VEHICLES? I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO COMES OUT OF THE GATE AND MAKES A LEFT TURN OUT OF SUMMERFIELD TO GO DOWN TO SAINT JOHNS TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND GO UP TO ONE OF THE HARRIS LOCATIONS, BECAUSE HE CAN'T TAKE SOME 25 MINUTES FROM BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD TO GET TO I-95.

THAT'S JUST WRONG.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE REPAIRS WE NEED TO THE ROADS OR LIGHTS THAT ARE NOT COORDINATED.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT, WHETHER IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND IF I HAD MY WAY, WE WOULDN'T BUILD ANYTHING FOR AT LEAST 24 MONTHS.

I'VE HAD NEIGHBORS TELL ME I'VE TAKEN PICTURES THAT EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT PUBLIX, NO MATTER WHAT TIME HE USES THE PHRASE EVERY DAY IS THANKSGIVING.

IT'S PACKED.

WE HAVE PEOPLE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.

YOU GO TO A NEW DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

IT'S CRAZY. AND IT AFFECTS SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE TOUCH.

SO I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, SIR.

ONE TIME, LET'S PAY OUR BILLS AND LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AND SPEND WHAT YOU HAVE, NOT WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT SPEAKER IS PASTOR DELGADO.

COUNCIL JUST HERE TO CONGRATULATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY DAIS.

MAYOR, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR AMAZING ELECTION THAT HAPPENED.

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JAFFE AND THE REST AGAIN, WERE THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE.

I LOVED WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU ALL IN YOUR FIRST INITIAL SPEECH.

SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A GREAT START.

WE'RE HERE TO, AS PASTOR MILLER SAID, AS A PASTOR OF THE HOUSE, WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU IN WHATEVER WAY WE CAN AND ARE HAPPY TO TO SUPPORT YOU IN ANY ENDEAVOR.

AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO SAY HELLO TO COUNCIL MEMBER KENNY JOHNSON.

I KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH AN ELECTION, BUT IT'S STILL GOOD TO SEE YOUR FACE UP THERE.

AND I WANT TO THANK GOD FOR YOU, TOO.

IN IN ALL OF THAT, I HEARD MANY GREAT THINGS.

I HEARD FREEDOM.

THIS IS NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION, BUT FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE FREEDOM NOT TO HAVE RELIGION IF ONE SO DESIRES TO DO SO.

BUT THAT WAS A GREAT, A GREAT STATEMENT.

I LOVE THE THE STATEMENT OF NOT INCREASING TAXES.

I WANT TO REMIND THOSE WHO HAVE READ THE BIBLE THAT ROBOAM LOST LOST HALF THE KINGDOM BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE JUST TAXED THEM SOME MORE AND AT THE EXPENSE OF OF THE PEOPLE.

AND SO THE PEOPLE FINALLY SAID ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.

AND SO LAST AND NOT LEAST, THE PRAYER THAT I SAID THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON AND THE INVOCATION TO NOT JUDGE BY WHAT YOUR EYES SEE.

DON'T MAKE DECISIONS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, BY WHAT YOU HEAR.

SOMETIMES THEY SAY WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU HEAR IS ONLY HALF THE STORY.

BUT SEEK GOD.

ASK FOR WISDOM TO SEE WHAT HE SEES IN EVERY DECISION.

AND THAT IN SOME SENSE MIGHT MEAN, DON'T LISTEN TO ME, BECAUSE HE MIGHT BE A LITTLE WISER THAN I AM.

BUT LAST TIME I SAW HE WAS A LOT WISER.

BUT SEEK HIM.

PRAY. I HEARD THEY WERE GOING TO PRAY BEFORE YOU START.

WHAT A WONDERFUL WAY TO START.

THAT YOU WOULD PRAY AND ASK GOD'S WISDOM AND THEN LOVE THE PEOPLE.

TWO COMMANDMENTS JESUS GAVE US WAS LOVE HIM FIRST, BUT THEN LOVE THE PEOPLE AS YOURSELF.

AND LOVING THE PEOPLE MEANS LISTENING, TRYING TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS.

AND MAY THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON BE UPON YOU ALL.

GOD BLESS YOU. WELCOME.

THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL ARE HERE.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

NEXT SPEAKER CARD IS MICHAEL BRIOTTI.

MICHAEL. VARIETY, 742 CORNELIA AVE SOUTHEAST.

FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ELECTED.

SECOND, I'D LIKE TO THANK PUBLIC WORKS FOR CORRECTING THE STORM DRAIN ISSUE THAT PRETTY MUCH DESTROYED MY PROPERTY.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO READ BECAUSE I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT OPEN DISCUSSION LIKE THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK.

OH, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THIS DISCUSSION BY STATING THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR NEED TO START CUTTING OUT THE FAT IN OUR CITY BUDGET SO THAT WE TAXPAYERS AND CITIZENS OF PALM BAY NO LONGER HAVE TO BE THE RECIPIENTS OF TAX INCREASES GOING FORTH FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME NOW.

OUR CITY MANAGEMENT, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE DEEMED IT TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITY TO CONTINUE THE BOOM OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING HOMES AND APARTMENT APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALIKE.

THIS IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY.

IF ANYTHING, IT DIRECTS THE BURDEN OF ON TAXPAYERS THROUGH FREQUENT TAX INCREASES.

IT'S TIME TO THINK BIG.

IT'S TIME TO UTILIZE THE LAND RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE REMAINING TO BUILD IN A FASHION THAT WILL FINANCIALLY SUPPORT OUR CITY.

FOR INSTANCE, A CITY OWNED CONVENTION CENTER MAYOR THAT WOULD NOT ONLY GENERATE REVENUE FOR CITY NEEDS, BUT ALSO PROVIDE VARIOUS ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS FOR PALM BAY RESIDENTS.

WE NEED BOTH INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL INVITES TO PALM BAY TO CREATE A TAX BASE AND HIGHER PAYING JOBS.

MY LAST CONCERN IS CUT INTO FAT IN OUR CITY BUDGET, AND THIS MEANS MATTER NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY VIA A VOTE OF THIS COUNCIL.

FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER PARAPHRASE, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO CUT THE LOTTERY TICKET SALARIES IN OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION, STARTING HERE TONIGHT, WITH THE CITY MANAGER AT 251,000.

THE CITY ATTORNEY AT 271,000.

AND THAT'S PROVIDING THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE A SALARY INCREASE WITH THE REST OF THE CITY.

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I DO NOT FEEL THE NEED TO GET PERSONAL AS TO THE REASONS NOR DETAILS BEHIND THESE SALARIES TO SAVE BOTH TIME AND EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR CITY, BUT EACH OF YOU SITTING ON COUNCIL KNOW THE DETAILS.

THOUGH I WILL SAY THESE SALARIES FAR EXCEED THE PAY SCALE AND I'M SURE CITY CHARTER RECOMMENDED SCALE.

SO IN CONCLUSION, WHAT YOU MEMBERS ON THE COUNCIL VOTE OR DECIDE IN THIS MATTER IS GOING TO SPEAK VOLUMES TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY'S FUTURE GOING FORTH.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

NEXT SPEAKER IS LORRAINE MAYFIELD.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS LORRAINE MAYFIELD.

I'M A NEW RESIDENT HERE TO PALM BAY.

I MOVED HERE BACK IN JANUARY OF 2022 WITH MY SON AND MY THEN DOG THAT HAS SADLY PASSED AWAY AS OF TUESDAY.

I CAME HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU.

I HAD ACTUALLY TALKED TO KENNY JOHNSON ABOUT A MONTH AGO, LETTING HIM KNOW THAT I HAD HAD ENOUGH.

I DROVE ALL THE WAY HERE 2500 MILES BY MYSELF.

NO FAMILY WAS HERE, NO FRIENDS.

BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THIS IS WHERE I NEEDED TO BE.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS, BUT I MOVED HERE FOR A PURPOSE.

I GOT MY FIRST HOUSE THAT I WORKED SO HARD FOR, BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP IN SAINT JOHN'S PRESERVE.

WHEN I WENT THERE TO DO MY FINAL INSPECTION, I LEFT IN TEARS.

NOT TEARS IN JOY, BUT TEARS OF SORROW.

WHEN THEY PUT MY HOUSE TOGETHER, I COULD TELL THAT THEY DID NOT CARE.

IT WAS A MOCKERY.

AND I WAS SO UPSET AND EMBARRASSED.

MY FAMILY WAS COMING DOWN TO MOVE ME INTO MY HOUSE.

I HAD FLOWN ALL OF THEM OUT HERE.

I ALSO OWN A TRAVEL AGENCY.

SO I SAID, HEY, WHO WANTS TO COME DOWN HERE? GIVE ME THE MONEY FOR YOUR TICKET.

I'M FLYING YOU ALL OUT. THEY WERE GOING TO BE COMING HERE AND I WAS MORTIFIED.

I CAN HEAR THEM IN MY EAR. LORRAINE, WE TOLD YOU NOT TO LEAVE CALIFORNIA.

WHY DID YOU COME DOWN HERE? SO IT WAS NOT ONLY THE MORTIFICATION OF WHAT I SAW, WHAT THEY DID TO MY HOME, BUT THE EMBARRASSMENT TO MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

AND SO I CHALLENGED THEM AND TOLD THEM TO PLEASE FIX WHAT I SAW.

AS SOMEONE WHO ONLY DID AN INTERNSHIP WITH PULTE HOMES IN COLLEGE, I SAW VIOLATIONS IMMEDIATELY AND I COULD ONLY SEE WHAT WAS VISIBLE.

I COULD NOT SEE WHAT WAS BEHIND MY WALLS.

THE FIRST TIME I PUT MY CHILD IN THAT SHOWER, HE WAS IN THE SHOWER BY HIMSELF AND I WAS SO GRATEFUL BECAUSE I WENT IN.

I ALWAYS PUT BODY OIL ON HIM.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I DO. I'M VERY NATURAL.

THE SHOWER ENCLOSURE CLOSED BEHIND ME AND IT HIT MY SHOULDER.

THAT THING WAS SO HEAVY I WAS SCREAMING FOR HIS FATHER AND MY BROTHER IN LAW, WHO HAD COME TO HELP US MOVE TO CARRY.

IT TOOK TWO MEN TO CARRY THAT AWAY.

MY CHILD, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT.

MY MY MIRROR FELL OFF MY BATHROOM WINDOW AND CRASHED.

BUT THOSE ARE JUST THE VISUAL THINGS.

I KNOW FOR A FACT MY AC UNIT IS TOO SMALL FOR MY HOUSE.

THEY GOT ME A 3.5 UNIT AND MY HOUSE IS OVER 3000FT².

AND I BROUGHT THIS TO THEM AND THEY DENIED IT.

I EVEN BROUGHT THEM AN HVAC CERTIFIED COMPANY THAT WROTE UP A 20 PAGE REPORT FOR ME FOR FREE, AND THEY DENIED IT.

AC UNITS ARE TOO SMALL.

WE CANNOT BREATHE.

I FINALLY GOT TWO HUMIDIFIERS IN MY HOUSE YESTERDAY.

I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT I HAD WATER IN MY LUNGS.

I WAS BELCHING OUT WATER AS THE HUMIDIFIER WAS TAKING WATER OUT OF MY HOUSE, AND THAT IS A DIRECT RESULT FROM A 3.5 UNIT, WHEN I SHOULD HAVE HAD A SIX TON UNIT, I SHOULD HAVE ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THEM WITH THIS FOR TWO YEARS, AND WHAT FINALLY HAD ENOUGH IS DURING THE LAST HURRICANE, I HAD SEWAGE COMING OUT OF MY TOILETS, OUT OF MY SHOWER.

MY HOUSE WAS FLOODED ALL NIGHT.

WE HAD TO GET WATER OUT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. SO LET ME JUST SORRY.

THE BUILDER.

THIS IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE BUILDER THAT YOU'VE BEEN.

SO THE THING IS, BACK AND FORTH IS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE, AND WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING.

WE ALL BRING OUR ISSUES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SAINT JOHN'S. THIS IS SAINT JOHN'S PRESERVE OFF OF HERITAGE PARKWAY, A BRAND NEW COMMUNITY.

THERE'S VIOLATIONS ON EVERY HOUSE.

OUR WINDOWS ARE BLOWN OUT.

THEY DID NOT DO OUR HOUSES RIGHT.

AND THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE HOMEOWNERS.

MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I BROUGHT THIS UP A MONTH AGO.

YEAH, I REMEMBER THIS IS WHO I WAS TALKING.

I DIDN'T KNOW THE THE EXACT.

IT'S DANGEROUS, BUT AND WHAT WHAT WHAT DIRECTION DID WE.

WELL, I FOR AS SOON AS SHE GOT ME ALL THE INFORMATION, SHE SAID, WELL, YOU ALSO SENT ONE A MONTH AGO TO.

AND I GOT IT OVER TO STAFF.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE TALKED TO STAFF OR WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, BUT.

GOT IT. WELL, I THINK A MONTH AGO I TOLD YOU I'M GOING TO SEND THE EMAIL WITH ALL THE DETAILS.

BUT THEN I GOT REALLY BUSY WITH WORK.

OKAY, BUT THEN YESTERDAY I SENT YOU AN EMAIL WITH FURTHER DETAILS.

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YEAH, BECAUSE HE DID BRING THIS UP.

OKAY. IT WAS A MONTH AGO.

THIS IS WHO I WAS. SO, MADAM CHAIRMAN, WHAT RECOURSE? AND I KNOW YOU'RE A BUILDER, SIR.

IN SOME REGARD YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT, DEPUTY MAYOR.

BUT WHAT RECOURSE DO WE HAVE TO ASSIST OUR CITIZENS? BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT HER SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THEY'RE MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS.

YES, ALL OF US. EVERYBODY WITH A TWO STOREY UNIT ARE AC IS TOO SMALL.

EVERY SINGLE HOUSE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON DID SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON IT.

YOU EXPOUNDED ON IT TODAY? YES. BECAUSE I GUESS SHE NEVER COMMUNICATED UNTIL TODAY.

WELL, YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY? YESTERDAY. SO, MA'AM.

WHAT WHAT RECOURSE? AND I'M FIRST OF ALL, MA'AM.

MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU.

THANK YOU. YOU LOST YOUR PET.

THAT. THAT'S HUGE.

AND I'M TRULY SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING PALM BAY UNDER THESE DREADFUL CONDITIONS, MA'AM.

WHAT? WHAT RECOURSE? WELL, SO FIRST OF ALL WE GOT THESE ADDITIONAL DETAILS.

SO LET ME LOOK WITH THIS.

LOOK LOOK AT THIS WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.

JOHN I THINK HE'S ALREADY GOTTEN THE EMAIL THIS EVENING.

SO LET'S LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT IT.

I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF ALL THE CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL ARE DEALING WITH, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY DIG INTO IT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

I TOOK YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND I HAVE MORE DOCUMENTATION.

I JUST I ONLY HAD TEN MINUTES IN THAT EMAIL, BUT ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS, I SAID, SEND ME EVERYTHING, AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING.

AND THERE'S THERE'S TONS OF DOCUMENTATION AND A PROOF THAT WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM AND THAT THEY'RE LYING.

AND HERE'S, HERE'S MY MY DILEMMA.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE CITY ATTORNEY INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE AND OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THIS THIS DEFINITELY SENDS A BAD MESSAGE REGARDING OUR CITY.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COLLECTIVE BODY.

NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO WHAT LEGAL RECOURSES DOES THE CITIZEN HAVE AND HOW WE CAN COME ALONGSIDE OF THAT? I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT THAT PANS OUT, BUT CERTAINLY WE CANNOT LET THIS CONTINUE ON THE BACKS OF THOSE THAT ARE COMING TO CHOOSE.

PALM BAY. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING THROUGH, MA'AM, AND MY HEART TRULY GOES OUT TO YOU.

AND I'M GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON DID BRIEF US A LITTLE BIT ON IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR COMING THROUGH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF YOU COULD ASSIGN THIS.

YES, SIR. WITH EXPEDIENCY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU.

KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE TO COME UP HERE, YOUNG LADY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT. OUTSTANDING.

GENTLEMAN. JUST JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE JUST WITNESSED.

RIGHT. THIS.

ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T BUILD THE HOME.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF OF THIS INDUSTRY.

RIGHT. BUT THIS CANNOT HAPPEN IN OUR CITY.

WE JUST CAN'T ALLOW THIS.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES TO SEE WHAT LEGALITIES WE COULD COME ALONGSIDE OUR CITIZENS.

AND IF SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DEVASTATING, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE SUCH A BAD CONNOTATION ON THIS GREAT CITY.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR CONTINUED DIRECTION TO GET OUR STAFF TO LOOK INTO EVERY ASPECT OF IT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AND, YOU KNOW, VOICING HOW YOU FEEL, AND YOU DEFINITELY DO CARE ABOUT YOUR ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE IS A VACANCY ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.

YOU SAID THAT YOU DID AN INTERNSHIP WITH PULTE.

THERE IS A SPOT FOR FOR RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING.

SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE INTERESTED IN.

I WOULD PLEASE, PLEASE PUT IN FOR IT BECAUSE IT IS.

IT IS A GOOD START. IT IT CAN'T FIX YOURS, BUT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

DEPUTY MAYOR, SIR.

REAL QUICK. ARE THERE.

ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WISH TO PULL ANY ITEM FROM CONSENT? TWO AND EIGHT.

OKAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THE MOTION AND I'LL ASK THAT.

MAKE THE MOTION OF WHO'S GOING TO.

AND I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE REMOVAL OR REMOVAL OF TWO, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT FROM CONSENT.

FOUR. FIVE.

SIX. SEVEN EIGHT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

MR.. NOW, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION BEFORE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

IT WAS MY MOTION BEFORE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU. DOES ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WISH TO PULL AN ITEM OF CONSENT? SEEING NONE, I NEED A SECOND.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

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ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE GOING TO NUMBER THREE.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2461, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT TEN, BLOCK 608, PORT MALABAR.

UNIT 13, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15, PAGE 56 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE ABOUT THE EASEMENT? RIGHT. YES, SIR.

THIS IS BROCCOLI, BROCCOLI, BROCCOLI.

JUST LIKE THE VEGETABLE. OH, REALLY? I TRY TO ADD A LITTLE EMPHASIS ON THAT BROCCOLI.

YUP. MY NAME IS MIKE BROCCOLI.

YOU ARE BROCCOLI FROM 405 FRONT STREET.

NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. I'M. I'M LOOKING FOR A VACATING EASEMENT.

WE WANT TO PUT A BUILT IN POOL IN THE BACKYARD.

SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

LOOKING FOR APPROVALS.

UNDERSTOOD. MAYBE FOR THE SAKE OF YOU KNOW, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HERE BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE PROBABLY SEEING THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN'T BUILD THE POOL WITHOUT US VACATING THAT EASEMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

NOT THAT I WANT TO TRY AND HELP YOU, BUT YEAH, I NEEDED A LITTLE EXTRA MORE OF THE EASEMENT.

SO YOU KNOW, I HAD TO I HAD TO GET, YOU KNOW, LETTERS OF APPROVAL FROM UTILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC COMPANY AND ALL THAT.

AND ONE WAS FROM TILLMAN CANAL, AND THEY APPROVED THE VACATE, AND THEN I JUST HAD TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND MY WIFE WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO PRAISING PALM BAY.

OKAY. SO THAT THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S PRESENTING YOUR CASE.

YOU'RE SAYING, NUMBER ONE, YOU GOT LETTERS OF APPROVAL.

FROM WHAT? GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES? I GOT THEM FROM FPL, SPECTRUM, MELBOURNE, TILLMAN CANAL AND AT&T. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. DOES COUNCIL ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, GENTLEMEN? NO. NO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? I SAW YOU MOVING, SIR.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

I GOT A MOTION BY.

WAS IT YOU? COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ANY DISCUSSION? SO I'LL JUST SAY JUST TO TOUCH ON WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT JUST A MINUTE AGO.

I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ON THE SIDE OF THE RESIDENT AND ON PROPERTY RIGHTS.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ONE.

BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER ITEMS, I WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

ALL RIGHT SIR. ANY DISCUSSION? NO, MA'AM. DEPUTY MAYOR.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE 20 2459.

AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE FIVE, LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 55 POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS RETIREMENT PENSION PLAN BY MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO RETIREMENT DATES AND BENEFITS FOR FIREFIGHTER MEMBERS.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.

MISS SHERMAN TO PRESENT THIS CASE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE FINAL READING OF THE CHANGES TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCE, SPECIFIC TO CHANGES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE NEW POLICE AND FIRE UNION CONTRACTS.

AND THIS SPECIFICALLY IS RELATED TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL BENEFIT CHANGE THAT WAS A PART OF THAT CONTRACT AND THE LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PENSION PLAN.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ANY QUESTIONS? I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.

YEAH. SO THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT TO GO OVER HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE POINT OF A FIRST READING AND A FINAL READING IS FOR THE PEOPLE VOTING ON IT.

THEY GET A FIRST READING, THEY CAN START UNDERSTANDING IT IN A FORMAL SETTING.

AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND THEN YOU DO A FINAL READING, AND THEN YOU VOTE ON IT IN ANOTHER MEETING.

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SO WITH THREE OUT OF FIVE OF US BEING NEW, YES, WE COULD HAVE STARTED GOING OVER IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THOUGH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON DURING THE ELECTION.

AS SOON AS WE'RE ELECTED, WE HAVE TO DO A INDOC AND ONBOARDING PROCESS.

WE WERE JUST SWORN IN LAST NIGHT, SO I'D LIKE TO UNPACK THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

I'VE GOT A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

I'VE GOT A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SO I GOT A MOTION TO TABLE BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN AND A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

KOREAN COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. DID YOU WANT TO? WELL, THE ONLY WAY WITH ME, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S TABLED OR NOT, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS ITEM.

I DIDN'T SUPPORT THE CONTRACT AS THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED, WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED AND HOW IT WAS, I FELT IT WAS RUSHED WITHOUT PROPER DUE DILIGENCE BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS WHETHER IT'S TONIGHT OR NEXT MONTH.

SO THAT'S ALL.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE.

I'M CALLING THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING IT? YES. CARRY ON, DEPUTY MAYOR.

JUST A QUESTION. LIKE, WHEN WILL WE TABLE IT? TWO AND QUESTION NUMBER TWO.

MR. SHERMAN FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

WHAT IS ANY LEGAL IMPACT THAT WE MAY ENCOUNTER BY NOT VOTING ON THIS NOW OR IN THE FUTURE? MADAM CHAIRMAN.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC.

EXCUSE ME FOR FINAL READING.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO REDO THE ADVERTISEMENT, I BELIEVE.

NO, NO, WE CAN ANNOUNCE A DATE ON IT, SO WE'LL BE GOOD.

OKAY, GOOD. SO THAT PART WILL BE COVERED.

LEGALLY, I WASN'T ANTICIPATING ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS, SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THAT CHANGES ANY.

PAYMENTS WERE DUE TO MAKE TO THE PENSION BOARD PER THE CONTRACT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THAT.

AND I'LL SEE IF CITY ATTORNEY HAS ANY OTHER CONCERNS.

NO, I MEAN, THE CHANGES THAT ARE HERE IN THE ORDINANCE ARE TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, THAT AS FAR AS COUNCIL, THE IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

MA'AM, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES REGARDING DRUG TESTING? THAT WAS PART OF IS THIS PART OF THE THE CONTRACT? HAS THAT BEEN AMENDED? THIS IS NOT TIED TIE THE DRUG TESTING PART OF THE CONTRACT.

THE LANGUAGE IS IN FINAL DRAFT BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HUMAN RESOURCES.

AND SO THAT MEETING WILL BE COMING UP SOON WITH THE UNIONS TO GO THROUGH THAT.

BUT THEY HAVE ALREADY UPDATED AND AGREED TO THOSE TALKS.

THAT MEETING IS FORTHCOMING, SIR.

THAT MEETING IS COMING FORTH.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO. BUT THIS THIS CONTRACT RIGHT HERE, THIS IS BASED ON THE PENSION PLAN.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR ARTICLE IN THE CONTRACT YOU'RE REFERENCING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN TO TABLE AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE TABLE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. MAYOR.

MAYOR. POSE. YES.

CAN WE HAVE IN THE MOTION THE DATE? BECAUSE WE NEED THE DATE.

CERTAIN. IF YOU TABLE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.

THAT KEEPS US FROM HAVING TO RE-ADVERTISE WHICH WE DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE TIME FOR.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TABLING IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.

OKAY. SO SO I'LL NEED A GOING WITH YOUR EMOTIONS.

I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

OKAY. NOW.

RIGHT NOW. YOUR FIRST MOTION DIE.

SIR, I NEED A MOTION WITH A.

YEAH. I'LL MAKE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE DECEMBER 19TH MEETING.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN TO TABLE TILL DECEMBER 19TH.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY.

NAY. PASSES FOUR ONE.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MISS SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2024, DASH 60.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING AND ALLOCATING FUNDS IS OUTLINED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A CONSISTING OF SIX PAGES, AND EXHIBIT B CONSISTING OF SEVEN PAGES, AND INCORPORATED IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN.

RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CHAPTER 35 ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING, AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MR. CHAIRMAN TO PRESENT THE CASE.

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THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE FINAL HEARING ON THE FIFTH BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR.

IF THERE IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ABOUT POSTPONING THIS ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR COME UP AND DISCUSS OR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR DISCUSS SOME OF THE TIMING WITH CLOSE OUT OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

IF THAT'S CERTAINLY A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE.

OKAY. WELL, WHY DON'T YOU BRING HIM UP OR BRING ANGELIQUE UP IN DISCUSSION.

OKAY. ANGELICA COLLINS IS OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, SO SHE'LL COME TALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ANGELICA COLLINS.

I'M THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND I OVERSEE THE BUDGET AREA.

SO THIS IS THE FINAL READING.

THIS IS THE FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

IF THIS DOES NOT GET APPROVED TONIGHT, YOU WILL BE YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY TABLE THIS AND MOVE THIS TO AN OUTER LATER COUNCIL DATE TO HEAR THAT.

YOU WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF FLORIDA STATUTE.

FLORIDA STATUTE ONLY ALLOWS ANY MUNICIPALITY 60 CALENDAR DAYS FROM WHEN THE NEW BUDGET IS ADOPTED TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR. OUR NEW BUDGET WAS ADOPTED OCTOBER 1ST.

THEREFORE, THE DEADLINE TO ACTUALLY PUSH THIS THROUGH IS NOVEMBER 30TH.

SO CONSIDERING THIS IS THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT.

IT BEING THE FINAL READING.

IF YOU DO NOT CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT AND MOVE IT OUT TO A LATER DATE, YOU WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF FLORIDA STATUTES.

AND IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR INCLUDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT IS ALLOCATED THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, ANY PROJECT CLOSURES, ANY ADDITIONAL GRANT REVENUE, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BUDGET.

THANK YOU MA'AM. SO YOU CAN ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, DO THEY NOT ALLOW ANY EXTENSIONS? NO. IT'S FLORIDA STATUTE.

SO IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A 60 DAY WITHIN THE WITHIN THE REQUIREMENT.

THERE'S 60 CALENDAR DAYS TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO, TO PRIOR YEAR'S BUDGET.

OKAY. COULD YOU GO INTO MORE DETAIL IF WE WERE TO VOTE NO ON THIS TONIGHT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? YEAH. SO, I MEAN, ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE PACKET, ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT'S RECOGNIZED? ANY TYPE OF APPROPRIATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER FOR FUNDING TO PURCHASE ITEMS WHICH HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE PURCHASE PROCESS, BECAUSE THE ITEMS HAVE ALREADY COME TO COUNCIL TO GET APPROVED.

TO DO THAT, SPENDING WILL NOT BE ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET FOR THE PRIOR YEAR.

SO THEN OBVIOUSLY, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDITS FOR OUR CERTIFIED ACTUAL CERTIFIED ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT WITH OUR AUDITOR THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED BECAUSE TECHNICALLY YOU WILL BE OVERSPENDING AND ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BALANCES THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THROUGH UPS THAT I HAVE TO CLOSE IN THE SYSTEM FOR THE PRIOR YEAR WILL ALL HAVE BALANCES THAT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REMOVE.

AND PLEASE KNOW THAT THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IS A TRUE UP, SO IT ACCOUNTS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

AND ANY PROJECT CLOSURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ESSENTIALLY YEAR END CLEANUPS THAT A FINANCE DEPARTMENT DOES IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO JUST FOR THE COUNCIL'S SO YOU GUYS KNOW BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS UP.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND BE A YES VOTE TONIGHT.

MY OBJECTION WITH VOTING ON FINAL READINGS WHEN WE'RE NEW COUNCILMAN STANDS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GET BACKLOGGED SO WE CAN ADJUST MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY, JUST FOR THE FUTURE, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU BEFORE YOU BUST OUT AND SPEAK.

SO I HAVE ASKED TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT I NEED A LIGHT SYSTEM UP HERE, BUT THE PROPER PROTOCOL IS I'LL BE LOOKING DOWNRANGE AT EACH AND EVERY MEMBER, AND THEN I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU FOR YOU TO SPEAK.

MY APOLOGIES. MAYOR. YEP.

NO. NO WORDS, NO APOLOGIES NEEDED.

I JUST WANT US TO.

TO FOLLOW THAT PROTOCOL.

THAT'S ALL. SO RIGHT NOW DOES WE'VE GOT THE EXPLANATIONS THAT YOU NEED.

DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO RIGHT NOW, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECONDED. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR. NO. MAYOR.

ANY DISCUSSION DOWNRANGE.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

COUNCILMAN. HAMMOND.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE IS SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, BUT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE A SINGLE SECOND AWAY FROM GETTING THE NEW FIRE TRUCKS AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED DESPERATELY.

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SO I DO NOT WANT TO RISK THAT, AND I'LL GO WITH IT.

THANK YOU SIR. I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU.

SO I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON CONSENT.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

FIRST SPEAKER CARD FOR CONSENT.

YEAH. YEAH. NUMBER TWO.

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS BILL BATTEN.

CONVERT DESIGN PLANS FOR CONVERTING 1 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IN THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THAT GENERATES A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS ALMOST $70,000 FOR DESIGN.

THAT WAS JUST FOR DESIGN.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST TO THE WATER TREATMENT GOING TO BE WITH THIS CHANGE ORDER? WE HAD, WE HAD A KNOWN AMOUNT KNOWN.

NOW HERE COMES THE CHANGE ORDER.

IF JUST THE PLANNING FOR IT IS $70,000, WHAT IS THE TOTAL BUILD OUT OF THAT COST GOING TO BE? HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW? THE OTHER PART OF THAT ONE, PART TWO, WAS RIGHT.

THIS CHANGE ORDER IS FOR THE FRAGRANCE OR THE SMELL OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR.

SO WE'VE HAD THIS SAME DILEMMA ALL ALONG.

DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE THE SAME SMELL THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY? SO WHY NOW? ARE WE TRYING TO SAY, OH, WELL, LET'S SPEND SOME MORE OF THE TAX DOLLARS MONEY TO CHANGE THE SMELL OF A WATER TREATMENT PLANT YET? YET THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY IN THE ANAEROBIC WATER TREATMENT PLANT THEY'RE HAVING TO INSTALL NOW FOR THEIR YARDS THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FACING THE EXACT SAME THING BECAUSE THEIR AERATED TANKS EXHAUSTING TO THE TO THE ATMOSPHERE.

SO EVERY RESIDENT IS GOING TO BE STUCK WITH THE SAME SMELL.

SO WHAT DID WE ACCOMPLISH? WE MADE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT SMELL BETTER IF THIS HAPPENS.

BUT YET EVERY OTHER RESIDENT IN PALM BAY IS ATMOSPHERIC IN THE EXACT SAME SMELL TO THEIR BACKYARD.

I JUST WANT HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST ME? AND LOOK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE CITIZENS TO DO THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN WILLING TO DO YOURSELVES.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS BEFORE? YEAH, YEAH, THE ONLY THE ONLY WEIGH IN.

I WANTED TO I GUESS ASK STAFF WAS WHY WAS THIS NOT CONSIDERED BEFORE, OR WAS THIS CONSIDERED PRIOR? BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT CHANGE ORDERS.

I'VE HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. BARBER. HE EDUCATED ME ON THE NECESSITY.

BUT WHEN IT'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO BE PROACTIVE OR PREVENTIVE I WANT TO JUST QUESTION AND JUST SEE IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT EARLIER ON AND FACTORED IN.

SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN AT A CHEAPER RATE, OR TO MR. BATTEN'S POINT ISN'T EVEN NECESSARY.

SO THANK YOU.

AND AND I'M TRACKING THAT.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, YOU'VE GOT PLEASE START RESPONDING.

THANK YOU SIR, I'LL HAVE OUR UTILITY DIRECTOR, GABRIEL BOWDEN, COME UP AND SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS. IT'S TWOFOLD. YEAH, WE'LL FIND OUT.

WHAT THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

SIR. ADDITIONAL COST.

IT'S IN DESIGN, SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST FOR THAT BACK OF NAPKIN.

I DID TEXT THE ENGINEER AND ASK HIM, AND HE SAID POTENTIALLY 750,000 TO $1 MILLION.

IT'S ADDING SUPPORT BEAMS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PLATES GO OVER TO KEEP THE SMELL CONTAINED AND THEN TREATING IT THROUGH AN AIR FILTER, BASICALLY.

WHY TO DO THIS HERE NOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NEW TO THIS DESIGN PROCESS.

IT WAS DONE BEFORE I GOT HERE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY WE DIDN'T CATCH IT EARLIER.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A LOT OF GROWTH THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THIS AREA AND IF WE CAN PREVENT COMPLAINTS IN THE FUTURE BY DOING THIS ADJUSTMENT, IT'S IT'S PRETTY WISE AND WILL HELP US WITH A LOT OF CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS IN THE FUTURE.

SO ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION YOU'D LIKE? YEAH. SO, SO THAT WE'RE TRACKING THIS CORRECTLY BECAUSE WAS THERE A DESIGN FLAW? THE INITIAL DESIGN, WAS THERE A FLAW THAT DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THE, YOU KNOW, THE FILTERING AND THE SMELLING AS AS AS WE'RE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW? SHOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FROM DAY ONE? SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS NOT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

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IT'S THE WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY WHICH IS NOT ONLINE YET.

SO AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THAT, WE WERE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TO MAKE IT BETTER BEFORE IT GOES ONLINE.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS JUST TO KIND OF HELP WITH THOSE THAT WILL BE AROUND US, TO NOT BE A NUISANCE TO THEM.

SO IS THAT DESIGN A CAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE OTHER RECLAMATION, OR IS THIS JUST THE VERY FIRST TIME WE'RE DOING IT? THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLANT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE NORTH.

OKAY. SO IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, THERE WERE KIND OF NOT ENTIRELY INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE DO HAVE MORE INDUSTRIAL CLOSER TO THE PLANT HERE.

WE'LL HAVE HOMES MUCH CLOSER TO THE PLANT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

STAND FAST. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, ANY QUESTIONS? NO. COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

FIRST THING, HAVE THEY STARTED ON ANY OF THIS ALREADY? BECAUSE I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF CHANGE ORDERS AT ALL.

HAVE THEY STARTED ON ANY OF THIS ALREADY? NO. THE APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE ORDER, AND THEN THEY CAN START PROCEEDING WITH.

WITH THAT. OKAY.

AND HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS? IT'S A BRAND NEW FOR PEOPLE SO FAR ONLINE YET.

SO WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SMELL.

I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HEARD ANYBODY SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO SMELL THIS? I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT HEARD THOSE, BUT I'M NEW IN MY TENURE.

OKAY. WE HAVE HAD COMPLAINTS OF OF SMELL AT THE NORTH PLANT.

AND SO WE REALLY TRY TO CONTROL OPERATIONS TO, TO REDUCE THAT.

AND WE ARE LOOKING AT IN THE NEXT YEAR DOING A STUDY TO WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN DO AT THE NORTH PLANT AS WELL.

WELL, I KNOW THIS PLANT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE NORTH PLANT.

IT'S MORE OF A REVERSE OSMOSIS.

SO YOU HAVE IT'S TREATED A LITTLE BIT BETTER BEFORE IT COMES IN CONTACT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT IN YOUR IN YOUR TENURE.

HAVE YOU SEEN A LOT OF THESE ISSUES FROM A PLANT LIKE THAT? IT'S A VERY NEW PLANT AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE WATER THAT WILL SMELL, BUT THE AS WE'RE CLEANING THE WATER, THE CAKE THAT'S LEFT OVER.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL SMELL.

AND THAT'S PRODUCED AT ANY PLANT.

OKAY. AND IT ALWAYS IS NOT A FAVORABLE SMELL.

OKAY. AND LASTLY, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU SUGGEST AS WELL? YES. THOSE WHO ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THAT, THIS ARE SUPERINTENDENTS OVER THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS.

THEY'RE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I'M SUPPORTING THEM IN THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. YOU KNOW, GABRIEL MR. I RECENTLY HANDED SOMETHING TO MISS SHERMAN, MADAM SHERMAN, REGARDING A PROCESS THAT THE MELBOURNE PLANT IS USING TO KIND OF DEODORIZE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

HAVE YOU STUDIED THAT PROCESS YET? HAS SHE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO YOU YET? I HAVE NOT SEEN THE EMAIL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT IN MY INBOX.

COPY THAT. OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY ARE WORKING WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY, AS YOU KNOW, SARNO ROAD.

WHAT IS THAT? APOLLO AND SARNO, GENTLEMEN.

THAT PLANET'S NEAR THE POLICE STATION.

I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE COMPANY TO TO ACTUALLY TRY AND ASSIST THE RESIDENTS BACK THERE WITH THAT POWERFUL ODOR, IF YOU WILL. WERE WE. WE WILL BE USING NO CHEMICALS IN THIS PROCESS.

OKAY, SO THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THAT.

NOT USING THE CHEMICALS.

COPY THAT. THANK YOU SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR? MR. MAYOR JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE PROJECTED OVERALL BUDGET COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS OF BASICALLY PHASE ONE, I'LL CALL IT.

THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IS, LIKE, ROUGHLY 8%.

THIS THIS CHANGE IS BASICALLY THE SCOPE OF THE WORK.

IF YOU'RE SAYING 750,000 TO BACK OF NAPKIN, $2 MILLION IS ROUGHLY 3% OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION VALUE MAY LOOK LIKE, I'D ALWAYS SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, DOING THE DESIGN NOW AND THEN, SCOPING THIS AS AN ADD ALTERNATE THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS.

IF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS DO GET TOO EXORBITANT I DO SEE THIS AS BEING PAID FOR OUT OF THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT'S CONNECTION FEE FUND AND NOT OUT OF GENERAL OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF REVENUE WILL THIS PLANT PROVIDE TO THE CITY? IS IT SELF-SUSTAINING? WILL IT PAY? WILL THIS PAY FOR ITSELF? THERE'LL BE NO COST TO THE CITY, BUT THERE WILL BE COST TO THE RATEPAYERS WHO ARE RECEIVING BENEFIT THROUGH OUR OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES.

AND THEN AS FAR AS, LIKE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE AIR FILTER, WHAT DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WHAT IS THAT THAT COST PROJECTION.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION.

AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE MAINTENANCE WILL BE ON THAT YET.

ONCE WE KNOW WHAT CONSTRUCTION IS AND WHAT THE O&M MANUAL REQUIRES FOR MAINTENANCE.

WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF MAINTENANCE COST, BUT IT IS A VERY SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION WHICH WILL AID IN LOWER O&M COSTS.

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THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, GENTLEMEN, I NEED A MOTION.

MOTION TO DENY CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEM TWO.

I NEED A SECOND.

MOTION TO DENY FAILS.

I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, AND I'LL SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO. SO I'LL JUST SAY, GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PREEMPTIVE AT THIS POINT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT.

AND SO I WOULD PREFER TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT NOW AND NOT GOING THROUGH THIS.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I GOT A MOTION BY.

YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE WHAT MR. JAFFEE SAID WITH APPROVING JUST THE JUST THE SCHEMATICS ON IT AND THEN SENDING IT BACK TO BIDDING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.

WELL, COUNCILMAN JAFFEE DIDN'T DIDN'T HE JUST DID A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO.

SO ARE YOU WANTING TO.

I'M HAPPY TO AMEND MY MOTION.

OKAY, SO THEN I, I HAVE TO I HAVE TO REMOVE MY SECOND, AND NOW YOU JUST.

MADAM SHERMAN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO. WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

FROM A PROCUREMENT STANDPOINT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

MAYBE GEORGE BARBER CAN COME UP AND GET A LITTLE CLARITY FROM YOU ALL.

BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY GO BACK OUT.

RIGHT? SORRY. SO GOOD EVENING.

SO JUST THE CLARIFICATION.

WE HAVEN'T BID IT OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION YET.

THIS IS JUST IN THE DESIGN PHASE, SO IT SOUNDS AS IF WE WANT TO MAYBE DO IT AS AN ADD ALTERNATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT ON THE SOLICITATION SIDE WHEN WE DO THE CONSTRUCTION. CORRECT.

SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE SCHEMATIC.

OKAY. I'LL FOLLOW THAT.

UNDERSTOOD. YES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT.

THE STIPULATION THAT IT WILL BE DESIGNED AS AN AD ALTERNATE TO THE BASE BID PACKAGE.

SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I HAD ANOTHER COMMENT FOR NUMBER TWO.

OH, ROBERT STICE.

YEAH. I'M SORRY. MAYOR.

YOU'RE OKAY THEN? WITH TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER FOUR, BILL BATTEN.

I GOT ONE DEBRIS REMOVAL WITHIN THE CITY AND THE COST OF HAVING THAT STORM DEBRIS REMOVED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT.

BUT I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE CITY OF PALM BAY ON SUNDAY.

I HAD THE CITY'S BRUSH TRUCK COME OUT TO MY RESIDENCE, AND THEY WERE PICKING UP ON SUNDAY.

THE PILE OF STORM DEBRIS.

I HAVE OVER 2000 MATURE PALM TREES, SO YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT EVERY TIME I HAVE A BLOW HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, I GENERATE A LOT OF OF YARD WASTE.

IT TOOK THEM THREE TRIPS TO PICK UP MY STORM DEBRIS AND I HAVEN'T FINISHED MY PICKUP YET.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, FIRST I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THEM.

THEY DID A BETTER JOB THAN REPUBLICS DOES.

THEY RAKED THE AREA.

IT LOOKED BEAUTIFUL.

WHILE THEY WERE IN BETWEEN TRIPS, I WENT OUT AND I MOWED THE SWELL TO MAKE IT LOOK PRESENTABLE.

SO WHEN THEY GOT FOR THEIR NEXT TRUCK.

BUT THAT. THAT'S NOT THE CONCERN.

THE CONCERN WAS THAT THIS WAS THE CITY EMPLOYEES USING THE CITY EQUIPMENT AND WORKING ON ON OVERTIME BASIS.

SO I APPRECIATE ANY EMPLOYEE GETTING THE OVERTIME.

THAT'S GREAT. BUT MY MY WISH IS THAT ALL OF THIS WORK THAT THE CITY IS DOING USING OUR EQUIPMENT, OUR EMPLOYEES, THAT IT'S COVERED UNDER THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENT ACT OF OVERTIME AND NOT NOT COMING OUT OF MY BUDGET.

THAT'S THAT'S THE FIRST REQUEST.

AND LIKE I SAY, THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

THE OTHER ITEM IS SOMETHING WE MIGHT JUST CONSIDER.

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THIS IS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

THE CITY MIGHT CONSIDER PURCHASING ANOTHER ONE OF THESE TRUCKS JUST TO HAVE IT, BECAUSE WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED.

NOW WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PICK UP NOW.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING TO DO THIS OURSELVES.

HAVE THE ABILITY TO WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFSET AND KEEP THE MONEY IN OUR OWN PAYMENT BOX INSTEAD OF OUR PAYING OUT FOR ANOTHER COMPANY.

BECAUSE IF THE CITY IS DOING IT RIGHT NOW ANYHOW, WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER OUTSIDE COMPANY? JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

I KNOW IT'S A LONG TIME AND IN GETTING THERE, BUT WE'RE A BIG CITY AND MAYBE TWO TRUCKS WOULD COME IN HANDY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN USE AT ALL TIMES JUST WHEN THEY NEED THEM.

THE OTHER THING WITH THIS ONE IS NOW THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP IN MY AREA.

UNIT 32, DOES THAT NOW MEAN IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO REPUBLIC? WHEN WILL REPUBLIC START PICKING UP ON MY REGULAR YARD WASTE PICKUP? BECAUSE I GENERATE A CLAW TRUCK ONCE A WEEK UNDER MY REGULAR USE FROM MY FROM THE PATENT BILL RANCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

YES, SIR. SO THE THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING THE CITY COMPONENT OF THE DEBRIS PICKUP IS WE ARE FOLLOWING ALL THE PROCEDURES SO THAT WE EXPECT TO GET FEMA REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE CITY. TIME AND USE OF VEHICLES AS WELL AS THE DEBRIS CONTRACTOR IS.

SO THAT PART WE EXPECT TO BE IN GOOD STANDING WHEN REPUBLIC STARTS AGAIN IS WHEN EACH UNIT IS CLEARED AND COMPLETED BY EITHER THE CITY STAFF OR THE DEBRIS HAULER.

WHENEVER THAT OCCURS, THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF ADVISES REPUBLIC THAT WE ARE DONE IN THOSE UNITS, AND THE REPUBLIC IS THEN DIRECTED THAT THAT FOLLOWING WEEK OR DAYS, DEPENDING ON WHEN IT IS TO GO AHEAD AND START THE REGULAR PICKUP AGAIN FOR YARD WASTE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON? NO, MAYOR.

THIS IS SEPARATE FROM REPUBLIC, WHICH.

THAT'LL BE A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION ITSELF.

SO I DON'T WANT TO MIX IT.

TO MIX THE TWO WHEN THEY'RE.

YEAH. YES, SIR.

YES, SIR. AND THAT IS COMING UP.

YEAH. YEAH.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? NO, I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THE THE THE OVERTIME AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE DO HAVE A LARGE CITY TO PICK UP.

AND WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FAMILY OVER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN COMPLAINTS EVEN AS NEW COUNCILMAN.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE WORKING HARD AND TRYING TO GET THESE PICKED UP SO THAT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HOST FAMILY CAN HAVE A PARKING SPOT FOR THEIR FAMILY IN THEIR FRONT YARD OR, OR SO THAT KIDS DON'T HAVE GIANT, YOU KNOW, PILES OF DEBRIS IN THEIR FRONT YARD WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO PLAY.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, SIR? YEAH. I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW AT THE BEGINNING IT SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T BEING PICKED UP TIMELY, BUT I THINK STAFF DID A GOOD JOB MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE HAD OUR DUCKS IN A ROW AND GET OUR FULL REIMBURSEMENT BACK FROM FEMA, WHERE IT DOESN'T COST US ANY MONEY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'M CALLING THE QUESTION.

OH, COUNCILMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL MR. BATTEN. I DO BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE TWO TRUCKS.

TWO CLAM TRUCKS.

AM I RIGHT, JOHN? YEAH, THERE'S TWO TRUCKS.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

AYE, AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

DEPUTY MAYOR 5 OR 6.

NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. MR. BILL BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

THIS GRANT WAS FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ON CONLAN BOULEVARD.

RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE IS, BUT WE CHALLENGE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHEN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS WERE BEING SUBMITTED.

I'M GOING BACK MANY YEARS.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR NEW COUNCIL UP THERE, BUT THAT DOES NOT LITIGATE THE FACT THAT WE CHALLENGE WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON CONLAN BOULEVARD WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT FIRST CAME IN, BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WERE GOING TO HANDLE THEIR STORMWATER.

AND I CAN SAY I WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CHALLENGING IT.

SO I KNOW IT DID HAPPEN.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT A $1.8 MILLION STORMWATER ENHANCEMENT.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHY WAS THIS NOT PROPOSED WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THE DEVELOPER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IMPACT THAT IT WAS HAPPENING, INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR TAX DOLLARS HAVING TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE PAYING THE BILL.

RIGHT. THE WE BROUGHT IT UP IN THE IN THE PAST WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO RUN IT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT INTO THE INTO THIS FLOODPLAIN, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

I BROUGHT AND I CHALLENGED IT THEN, AND HERE WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT $1.8 MILLION OUT OF TAX DOLLAR MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN COVERED UNDER THE DEVELOPER THAT GOT WHAT THEY

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WANTED AND THE RESIDENTS DID NOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT CAME OUT OF THE THE STATE FUNDED APPROPRIATION PROJECT THAT WAS CALLED THE TURKEY CREEK FEASIBILITY STUDY.

IT IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE COULD DO AS A CITY, BOTH WITH STORMWATER FUNDING AND WITH GRANT MONEY TO IMPROVE EXISTING AND A LOT OF VERY OLDER DRAINAGE THAT AFFECTS TURKEY CREEK AND ANY RIVER LAGOON.

SO THESE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ON CADILLAC DRIVE AND RJ CANAAN ARE RELATED TO EXISTING OLDER STORMWATER ISSUES REGARDING TREATMENT OF STORMWATER IN THE CITY.

SO THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC TO THESE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, I ASSUME MR. BATTEN IS REFERENCING.

SO THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE ABOUT.

THESE ARE NOT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN DRAINAGE ISSUES.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN LANDRUM, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. JUST FOR VERIFICATION, THIS IS THE THE POND THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO DIKANA OFF OF KIRBY CIRCLE.

CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.

I KNOW THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS.

EXACTLY. YES, SIR.

YES. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, MA'AM. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ANY DISCUSSION? I'M GOOD. SIR. ANY DISCUSSION, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, MA'AM. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO.

NOW WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

DEPUTY MAYOR LANCE FISHER.

GOOD AFTERNOON, LANCE FISHER, DEPUTY CHIEF, RETIRED PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT, 130 MALABAR ROAD.

SO I WILL EXPRESS CONCERNS WHEN I SEE CONCERNS.

AND I'LL PRAISE WHEN I SEE PRAISE ON THIS ON THIS TOPIC.

THE PALM BAY POLICE VICTIMS ADVOCATE PROVIDES SUPPORT AND ASSISTANCE TO MOST MOST OF THE VULNERABLE VICTIMS IN PALM BAY.

THEY WORK TIRELESSLY DAY AND NIGHT TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE THERE TO PROVIDE ANY ASSISTANCE NEEDED.

EACH YEAR, THE VOCA GRANT LETTER INDICATES THAT FUNDING IS CONTINGENT ON FEDERAL NEEDS AND TO EXPECT AN INCREASE IN GRANT FUNDING.

THIS COUNCIL SHOULD PRIORITIZE A PLAN TO ENSURE THAT IF THE GRANT FUNDING BECOMES UNAVAILABLE, THE PROGRAM WILL BE SUSTAINED BY THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

I'M ASKING THAT YOU GUYS SUPPORT THE CHIEF'S REQUEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS GRANT, BUT ALSO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE IF THIS GRANT DOES GO AWAY, BECAUSE THEY DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, GENTLEMEN? OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

I'VE GOT SOMEONE SO MOVED NOW.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'LL SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE BEAT YOU TO IT.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YEAH. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF, DEPUTY MAYOR.

NO. THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

NO OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR ME.

OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, SPEAKER CARD, LANCE FISHER.

SO AGAIN, I'LL PRAISE THE PRAISE.

SO REINDEER. ONE IS LANCE FISHER PALM BAY 130 PALM BAY ROAD.

DEPUTY CHIEF, RETIRED PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

REINDEER RUN IS ONE OF THE GREATEST EVENTS WHERE OFFICERS AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF CAN GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND PUT SMILES ON THE FAMILY FACES.

I WANT TO OPENLY THANK THE PALM BAY POLICE FOUNDATION FOR THEIR DONATION AND SUPPORT OF NOT ONLY THIS EVENT, BUT FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THEY PROVIDE THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

PRIOR TO HIS RETIREMENT, COMMANDER LANCASTER WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS TO MAKE THE FOUNDATION A SUCCESS.

AS BUDGETS TIGHTEN MORE OFTEN, POLICE DEPARTMENTS NEED NEEDS, ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE BUDGET AND FUNDED THROUGH SECONDARY FUNDING SOURCES.

EACH YEAR, CHIEF MARIO ANGELO REQUESTS TO HAVE POLICE VEHICLE ROTATIONS IMPLEMENTED IN THE BUDGET, AND EACH YEAR IT'S DENIED SECONDARY FUNDING.

IMPACT FEES ARE USED TO COVER THE COST OF THOSE VEHICLES.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, THE NEW COUNCIL, TO PRIORITIZE A BUDGETED VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PLAN SO THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ISN'T RELYING ON SECONDARY FUNDING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO DONATE TO THE PALM BAY POLICE FOUNDATION TO SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS THAT PROTECT US.

AGAIN, I WOULD ASK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE CHIEF'S REQUEST TO USE THE FOUNDATION FUNDS TO SUPPORT REINDEER RUN.

I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE DIOCESE TO COME OUT AND ENJOY THAT DAY.

IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST DAYS OF THE YEAR FOR THE FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS? GENTLEMEN?

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I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'LL SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

I'LL GET USED TO YOUR VOICES, GENTLEMEN.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S ON THE ON THE MIC.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

DEPUTY MAYOR BILL BATTON.

COME ON. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE.

THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TEAM? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM AND A PLAN IN ACTION, BECAUSE WE JUST LIVED THROUGH IT.

ITEM NUMBER TWO THE GRANT WAS DENIED.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS FOR, WAS FOR A GRANT.

THE GRANT WAS DENIED.

SO MY STATEMENT IS WE DID NOT GET THE GRANT.

SO LEAVE THE GENERAL UNDESIGNATED FUND ALONE.

IT IS NOT A CHECKBOOK FOR DEPARTMENTAL WHIMS. WE ALREADY HAD A PROGRAM.

WE ALREADY HAD A PLAN. SO WHY DO WE NEED TO INVEST $20,000 INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? WE DIDN'T NEED IT.

SO WHY ASK US TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND IT ON? I REALIZE IT WAS ONLY $20,000, BUT THAT WAS $20,000 THAT COULD HAVE SAVED SEVERAL POTHOLES IN THE STREET.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IT COMES OUT OF UNDESIGNATED GENERAL FUND.

RIGHT. THE OTHER OTHER ITEM ON THIS ONE WAS THAT ISN'T THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE NEW BUILDING SUPPOSED TO BE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CONTROL CENTER? SO THAT'S WHERE LET'S START LOOKING AT THAT ONE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH IT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE JUST HAVE A VACANT FLOOR UP THERE.

RIGHT. THANK YOU MUCH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YES, WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TEAM.

THE TEAM IS ACTUALLY HOUSED IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND CERTAINLY CHIEF STOVER CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF COUNCIL DESIRES.

HE CAN ALSO SPEAK MORE TO THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A CERT TEAM THAT HE'S HE'S BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, CERTAINLY AS A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION IF YOU'D LIKE THIS OR NOT. AND HE CAN BRIEF YOU ALL FURTHER TONIGHT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

AND ALSO THE EOC IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THAT IS PART OF THE BUILD OUT FOR BUILDING E.

YEAH. WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE CHIEF COME ON UP AND AND SHARE.

SHARE THE VISION THAT HE HAD.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, THE COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM.

WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT, AND OUR MATCHING PART BETWEEN THE TWO GRANTS WOULD HAVE BEEN THIS $20,000.

THAT WAS A PORTION OF IT.

SO WITH THAT, WE PUT IT IN.

WE DIDN'T DO BAD WITH THE GRANT.

IT'S JUST THAT THE FUNDS WENT TO AN ESTABLISHED WENT TO, I THINK IT WAS THREE ESTABLISHED TEAMS AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THE KEY WORD HERE BEING ESTABLISHED, THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED.

THEY HAD BEEN FUNCTIONING.

THEY HAD SHOWN THEIR WORTH.

SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WHEN WE CAME BACK AND WE GOT THE NEGATIVE ON THIS IS WE NEED TO ESTABLISH.

SO LET'S DO THIS FOR THIS $20,000.

AND WE'LL TURN AROUND AND WE'LL GET A TEAM OF 50 PEOPLE BASED ON $5,000 GOING TOWARDS THE EDUCATIONAL PART OF IT, AND THE REMAINDER OF THAT MONEY GOING TOWARDS THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ON.

THESE INDIVIDUALS, THE INDIVIDUALS WITH THIS, IT'S A IT'S A CLASS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.

AND WHEN THEY'RE DONE, THEY HAVE BEEN SHOWN HOW TO BASICALLY DO SEARCH AND RESCUE IN AN AREA WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS ARE UNABLE TO GET TO BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT DURING AN INCIDENT OR POST INCIDENT.

I'M SORRY. AND SHOULD THERE BE A HUGE CALL LOAD, THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A SLOWDOWN.

SO THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE TRAINED ON THE BASICS FIRST AID, AEDS, SEARCH AND RESCUE, FIRE EXTINGUISHMENT, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY WILL DO IS IS I JUST RECENTLY WENT TO A FIREFIGHTERS FUNERAL ON THE WEST COAST, AND THE CERT PROGRAM WAS THE ONE THAT TOOK THE TRAFFIC CONTROL AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL PART ON THEMSELVES, THUS LEAVING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OVER THERE.

THE ABILITY TO BE OUT ON THE ROAD AND PATROL WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL SET THIS DOWN.

AND IN THE BEGINNING PHASE OF THIS IS IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, WE'LL GET THE TRAINING DONE.

THERE'LL BE AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE ON STAFF.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE PROBABLY FIVE OR MORE AT THIS POINT.

THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE CLASS, THEY'LL ALL BE TRAINED ON THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS AND THEN SOME, AND THEN THEY'LL BE TRAINED ON SOME OF THE LOCAL ITEMS THAT WE FIND AS AN AUTHORITY, HAVING JURISDICTION THAT WE THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR US.

WITH THE 50 WE'RE LOOKING AT, PROBABLY STARTING WITH FOUR QUADRANTS OF THE CITY, AND THEN EACH OF THESE TEAMS WOULD HAVE A TEAM CAPTAIN.

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THERE'S A STORM COMES THROUGH.

WE CAN'T GET THROUGH. THEY'RE ACTIVATED.

THEY HAVE THEIR VESTS.

THEY HAVE THEIR HELMET IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES.

THEY HAVE THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE SUPPLIED THEM.

BASIC STUFF. CHALK UP A MASK FOR DOING CPR, FIRST AID KITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY GO OUT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY START THE ASSESSMENT.

THEY TELL US IF THERE'S BEEN SOMEONE FOUND IN THE BUILDING, THEY CAN'T GET OUT, IF THERE'S BEEN INJURIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE PULL INTO THIS AREA.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOMEONE THAT'S DONE A CRITIQUE OF THE AREA, A DONE A SIZE UP AND SAID, HERE'S WHERE YOUR MAIN PROBLEMS ARE, HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN WAIT.

AND THEN WE END UP GETTING OUR RESOURCES IN THERE.

NOW WE'RE ABLE TO GO RIGHT TO THE POINT AND GET THINGS MOVING.

AND THEN AS WE GET ADDITIONAL RESOURCES IN THERE, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND CHECK ON THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WENT THROUGH THE OTHER BUILDINGS, BECAUSE SOME OF THEIR LIMITATIONS IS THEY CAN'T GO DEEP ENOUGH IN, EXCUSE ME, DEEP ENOUGH INTO THE BUILDING TO GET ALL TO DO ALL THE SEARCHES AND TO DO THE TO SECURE THE AREAS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS. SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS IT WOULD BE A PILOT PROGRAM.

NUMBER ONE, GREAT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

IT GETS 50 PEOPLE FROM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OF THE CITY TO TURN AROUND AND BECOME ENGAGED WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, BECOME ENGAGED WITH THE CITY, LEARN ABOUT THE CITY.

LEARN MORE. I SHOULD SAY LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CITY AND LEARN THESE BASIC FUNCTIONS, WHICH THEY COULD BE.

WALKING THROUGH A PUBLIX ONE DAY AFTER WORK, SOMEONE COULD FALL OVER ON THE GROUND.

NOW THEY'VE GOT THESE BASIC FIRST AID SKILLS, CPR SKILLS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO HELP MITIGATE THE PROBLEM BEFORE WE GET THERE OR AT LEAST CONTROL IT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT THING.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MOVING TOWARDS CPR MASS CPR, BECAUSE THE PROGRAM OUT OF KINGS COUNTY, WASHINGTON, THAT SHOWED THE DRASTIC REDUCTION WHEN THE CITIZENS ARE TRAINED ON THESE KIND OF THINGS AND THE SURVIVABILITY RATE WENT WENT THROUGH THE I'D SAY CEILING, BUT IT WENT HIGHER THAN THAT ACCORDING TO THE REPORT THAT THEY PUT OUT. SO THIS WOULD GET US STARTED AND WE WOULD HAVE A GOOD YEAR IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE AN ESTABLISHED TEAM.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE TEAM AND THEN REAPPLY AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND WITH WITH A BETTER HOPE, BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THIS FUNDED NEXT YEAR THROUGH GRANTS, AND THAT WOULD JUST EXPAND IT.

SO DO YOU HAVE THE 50 PEOPLE ALREADY IDENTIFIED? NO, WE DID NOT GO OUT AND SAY ANYTHING TO THE PUBLIC YET BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND THROW IT OUT THERE AND THEN NOT HAVE THE FUNDING TO ACTUALLY DO IT.

SO THE PLAN WOULD BE IF IT'S APPROVED, WE WOULD GET THE EQUIPMENT AND THE TRAINING GO ON.

ONCE WE GET THE TRAINING GO ON, THEN WE CAN TURN AROUND AND MAKE THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS.

AND HERE THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO CLASSES OVER THE NEXT YEAR, OVER THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, 25IN EACH CLASS.

AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

AND WHAT KIND OF CRITERIA FOR VOLUNTEERS? ABSOLUTELY NONE.

OKAY. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BE IN PHYSICAL AND I SHOULDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET UP AND WALK AROUND.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE CLASS AND GRASP THE CONCEPTS, AND YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO BE OUT THERE WITH YOUR COMMUNITY.

IT CAN BE ANYBODY FROM IT CAN YOU, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE YOUNGEST CITIZEN OUT THERE, 18 AND ABOVE, 18 AND ABOVE.

OKAY. THAT WANTS TO DO IT.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE GET STARTED.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY A MODERN DAY VOLUNTEER.

WELL, IT'S NOT MODERN DAY.

I MEAN, IT'S I RAN ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS DOWN SOUTH OVER 20 YEARS AGO.

BUT IT IS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS.

BUT THEY'RE NOT TRAINED.

THEY'RE GIVEN BASIC, VERY BASIC TRAINING.

IT'S NOT LIKE GOING THROUGH THE FIRE ACADEMY OR GOING THROUGH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY CERTIFIED IN THE END TO DO ANYTHING UNDER A STATE UMBRELLA.

THIS IS A THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TAKING ON THEMSELVES, AND WE'RE PROVIDING THE EQUIPMENT AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO DO IT.

THEY COULD WALK OUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

SO THERE IS A COMPONENT THAT IS VOLUNTEER BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PAYING FOR THEIR ATTENDANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE STATE STATUTES, WHICH REQUIRES CERTAIN THINGS FOR CERTIFICATION FOR EITHER ONE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTORS.

OKAY. AND MY OTHER THING IS YOU KNOW, YOU SAID YOU RAN A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.

DID IT SEEM TO BREED NEW RECRUITS TO THE FIRE SERVICE WITH THIS? WHEN I RAN THIS DOWN SOUTH.

DEFINITELY NOT. WHAT THIS IS.

WHAT WE FOUND DOWN THERE WAS.

IT WAS MOSTLY, I WOULD SAY I DON'T WANT TO SAY ELDERLY, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY PEOPLE MY AGE AND OLDER THAT WANTED TO GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

PROBABLY 40S, 50S AND ABOVE.

PEOPLE THAT JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND HELP GET TOGETHER AS THEIR FOR THEIR MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THE PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO MEDICAL EXAM GIVEN TO THEM, THERE'S NO PHYSICAL EXAM GIVEN TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN DO THE THINGS THAT THAT FIRE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE REQUIRED TO DO. THANK YOU.

YEAH, I SEE THIS KIND OF LIKE THE CAJUN NAVY IN A DISASTER AREA, RIGHT?

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AND I'M TRYING TO DRAW THAT PARALLEL.

WE'RE AT 140,000 FOLKS, AND I THINK THIS IS AN INNOVATIVE WAY TO LOOK AT RESPONDING WHEN THERE IS A DEVASTATION, RIGHT? A DISASTER. SO YEAH, THE 50, THE SELECTION OF THE 50.

I CAN SEE MANY VETERANS GETTING INVOLVED IN A PROGRAM LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY LOVE TO SERVE.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE DONE THIS 20 YEARS AGO, BUT FOR OUR CITY, OUR YOUNG CITY, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE LESS THAN 65 YEARS OLD.

I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TO BE PREPARED EVEN MORE SO FOR ANY DEVASTATION COMING UP.

SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

WILL THIS TRIGGER ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS IN THE FUTURE? WILL IT TRIGGER ADDITIONAL STAFF? NO, IT WILL NOT. AND THEN WHAT WAS THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU EXPECT TO PURCHASE? WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT WOULD BE? IT'S LIKE A IT'S THE THE STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES IS A GREEN LIGHT CONSTRUCTION VEST WITH A GREEN HEART HELMET, AND IT NORMALLY HAS THE HIGH VISIBILITY STRIPES ON IT, AND IT JUST SAYS CERT.

IT WOULD HAVE GLOVES, FLASHLIGHTS BASIC FIRST AID KIT CPR SHIELD AND THEN BASICALLY FROM THERE, ANYTHING ELSE WE CHOOSE TO ADD IS WE FEEL AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYTHING HAS LIKE A MAJOR LEAD TIME.

I WOULD I WOULD ALMOST MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT THIS GETS APPROVED, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 50 CANDIDATES ARE SELECTED AND THEN THE ITEMS ARE PROCURED.

ANOTHER QUESTION. WHERE DO YOU INTEND TO HOLD THESE CLASSES? THE CLASSES WILL BE HELD AT THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE OVER ON CARLISLE IN THE TRAINING ROOM.

TO A POINT I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN HAMMER, AS FAR AS RECRUITMENT GOES, IT SEEMS LIKE A COOL CONCEPT THAT POTENTIALLY, MAYBE THERE COULD BE PARTNERSHIP WITH DPS, MAYBE WITH SENIORS 10 OR 12 SENIORS TO GET THEM EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE AND FIRE RESCUE AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO AND ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

IT'S JUST THAT THE AREAS THAT NORMALLY COME IN ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRED AND THEY HAVE THE TIME TO DO THIS.

COOL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO HAVE CHAPLAINS STATEWIDE THAT ARE.

THEY HAVE WHAT? I'M SORRY.

CHAPLAINS? YES.

THAT ARE STATEWIDE THAT THAT DO PROGRAMS LIKE THIS FOR DISASTER RELIEF? YES THEY DO. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THREE.

WE JUST SIGNED OFF ON BEING UTILIZED STATEWIDE DURING THE EVENT.

AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR? OH, YES. JOHNSON.

DON'T WE DON'T WE HAVE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. CHIEF COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR ALREADY, OR WE HAVE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR.

THAT POSITION, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO INTO THE SCHOOLS AND THEY TALK TO THE CHILDREN.

THEY GO ON TO THE CHURCHES AND THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.

I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS HOW MANY TOUCHES WE HAD LAST MONTH, AND IT WAS IN THE THOUSANDS.

THAT PERSON IS CONSTANTLY I THE BULK.

THEY'RE CONSTANTLY OUT DOING STUFF WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE THAT POSITION PRIOR.

AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE HITTING THE SCHOOLS.

K THROUGH I WOULD PROBABLY SAY ABOUT SIX IS IS HER TARGET AREA.

OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATORS POSITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED, WHAT WOULD WHAT'S ENTITLED IN THAT JOB CRITERIA? THE I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ANNOUNCEMENT WITH ME, BUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING UPDATE, BECAUSE, YES, THE CITY DOES HAVE A PLAN. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY REASON IT HAS BEEN UP HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED THIS YEAR IS WHAT MOST OF THE CITIES DO IS THEY WAIT FOR THE COUNTY TO PUT THEIRS OUT, SO THERE'S NO DISCREPANCIES, OR THEY'RE DOING ONE WAY, WE'RE DOING ANOTHER AND WE BLEND THE TWO TOGETHER.

SO AS SOON AS THE COUNTY GETS THAT OUT THERE, WHICH I WANT TO SAY, THEY'RE LIKE A MONTH OR TWO FROM GETTING THAT OUT.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THAT.

AND THEN THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL ALSO BE PART OF THE CERT TEAM THERE.

AS I DO KNOW, PART OF THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY BECOME CERT CERTIFIED AS AN INSTRUCTOR.

SO THEY'LL BE PART OF THE GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM THE OR FROM HEADQUARTERS THAT GO OUT AND TRAIN THIS TRAIN THE INDIVIDUALS, AND THEN THEY WILL HELP WRITE GRANTS WILL BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SIDE OF THE GRANTS, AND THEY'LL DO WHATEVER ELSE AS THEY'RE ACTIVATED DURING EMERGENCIES LIKE WE JUST HAD.

THEY'LL BE IN THE EOC MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED ARE BEING ADDRESSED.

OKAY. THEY ALSO WILL ALSO THEY ALSO WILL GO OUT TO OTHER AREAS THAT THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE PERSON DOES NOT GO OUT TO, AND WITH A FOCUS MOSTLY ON MORE LIKE THE MEDICAL, THE CPR.

BUT THE BIG THING WILL BE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PREPARATION.

OKAY. BECAUSE MY MY THOUGHT OR MY THOUGHT, CHIEF.

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BECAUSE I HAD THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS BILL ASKED WERE MY FIRST TWO TOPICS I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATORS AND I THINK SPECIAL PROJECT.

I SEE THIS AS A SPECIAL PROJECT.

SO I SEE HOW THE TWO CAN COINCIDE FOR THIS FIRST YEAR.

RIGHT. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE HABIT, WHICH WE USUALLY DON'T.

WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST.

REALLY, MAYOR, IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, THEN WE USE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE.

WHILE I FEEL MAYBE WE CAN EQUIP OVERTIME FOR THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR, BECAUSE THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL TASK.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, SIR.

SO IF YOU HAVE A. WELL, YEAH, IF WE HAVE THE TWO EMERGENCY COORDINATOR POSITIONS AND WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO TRIPLE WHAT WE NORMALLY DO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OVERLAY WHERE IF THEY NEED TO GO OUT TO THE SCHOOLS AND STUFF, THEY COULD TIE IN WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THE CURRENT LADY THAT'S DOING IT, SHE WOULD SHE'D BE ABLE TO GO THE OTHER ROUTE THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE AREAS OF THE YEAR OR TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PERSON IS UNBELIEVABLY BUSY, THEN OTHERS WHERE SHE'S JUST REGULAR BUSY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SHE'S OUT AT SEVERAL SCHOOLS, BUT DURING LIKE FIRE PREVENTION MONTH, DURING THE HOLIDAYS WHEN THERE'S FIRE SAFETY SPEECHES, THINGS LIKE THAT, SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.

BUT AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, THEY THEY COULD KIND OF BLEND IN AND GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC TOGETHER.

ONE THING WE'VE BEEN SEVERELY LACKING IN, IN THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE IS GETTING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S BEEN ONE OF OUR BIG FOCUSES OVER THE PAST YEAR IS GETTING PEOPLE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS AT THE COMMAND STAFF LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A A CHIEF OFFICER IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THE CITY.

SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.

THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER WAY TO TAKE IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU CHIEF.

YEAH. YOUR QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. YEAH.

SO YEAH, I'M NOT IN THEORY AGAINST THIS, THIS PROGRAM AND AND I DO I DO ACTUALLY LIKE IT IN SOME RESPECTS AS A NAVY CORPSMAN.

BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THREE NEW FIREHOUSES RIGHT NOW AND BUY A BUNCH OF FIRE TRUCKS.

SO KIND OF WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW IS EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, IT'S NOT A LOT.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE REALLY DUMPING ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES INTO KIND OF WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN ONCE WE GET UP TO THAT LEVEL, THEN MAYBE WE COULD START LOOKING AT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON IT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, IT'S ONLY $20,000, BUT IT IS KIND OF A PERCEPTION ISSUE AS WELL THAT WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR SO MUCH FOR THREE FIREHOUSES, FOR NEW FIRE TRUCKS? BUT THEN WE'RE KIND OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I NEED A MOTION.

MOTION TO DENY.

SECONDED. I GOT A MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

RIGHT. OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO, JUST. I FEEL WE CAN HANDLE THIS AND TAKE CARE OF THIS IN-HOUSE WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

OUR MEN AND WOMEN ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE.

WITH REGARDS TO TIMES OF PEAK TIMES WHERE THEY'RE BUSY.

WE COULD JUST SET UP THE CLASSES AND COURSES ON TIMES WHEN IT'S LOW SEASON.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO APPLY AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

BUT WE CAN GET THIS UP AND RUNNING.

KIND OF LIKE HOW THE COPS V COPS ARE ACTIVE ALL THE TIME, BUT ONCE THEY'RE TRAINED, THEY'RE READY TO GO.

YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NEED CONSTANT HOLDING OF THE HAND.

THEY'RE GOOD TO GO. SO THAT'S ALL.

MAYOR. OKAY.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE YEAH.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I AM I AM ALL FOR PUTTING ALL OF OUR FOCUSES ON THE NEW STATIONS, OUTFITTING THE STATIONS AND THE NEW TRUCKS NEEDED.

OKAY. SO I FEEL THAT THIS IS A WORTHWHILE PROGRAM AND CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONSES.

I CAN SEE THE COMMUNITY RALLYING AROUND THIS.

I COULD ALSO SEE THIS GROWING UP.

YOU MENTIONED THE COPS.

I THINK WHEN THERE IS DEVASTATION AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, I WAS OUT THERE THAT WE HAD AND WE WERE TRULY BLESSED.

I WAS HANDS ON DECK.

A LOT OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

I WAS OUT THERE WITH THEM AS WELL, AND I COULD SEE WHERE THEIR DUTIES ARE.

AND WE WEREN'T HIT.

BUT I COULD SEE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU DROVE BY AND I WAS DIRECTING TRAFFIC AT ONE EVENT COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

AND AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEIR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE EMERGENCIES, RIGHT.

WHERE I COULD SEE A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, OUR VOLUNTEERS, OUR CORPS.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A WORTHWHILE PROJECT FOR US TO GO.

AND I BELIEVE IT IS AN INVESTMENT NOT ONLY IN OUR CITIZENS, BUT IN OUR CITY AND IN OUR RESPONSES.

WHEN IT COMES TO DEVASTATION, THIS IS ALL TRAINING.

BUT HERE'S THE INTANGIBLE THAT I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT WE DIDN'T CATCH.

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AND IT WAS THAT YOU'RE SITTING AT A PUBLIX, YOU'RE STANDING AT A PUBLIX, AND SOMEONE FALLS.

SOMEONE'S GOT A CARDIAC ARREST IMMEDIATELY.

THOSE THAT ARE TRAINED THAT MIGHT BE ON ONLINE GOES INTO IMMEDIATE ACTION.

AS A CORPSMAN, YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

AND SO I THINK THAT INVESTMENT INTO OUR COMMUNITY IS WORTHWHILE.

I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT WE DO HAVE AND I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY SURETY BONDS THAT THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL.

THAT'S WHY I PLACED IT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT THIS IS MORE THAN SOMETIMES THERE ARE INTANGIBLES THAT WE WILL GET BY THE INVESTMENT.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, GENTLEMEN, I SEE IT AS AN INVESTMENT NOT ONLY IN OUR FIREFIGHTERS, BUT THOSE CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE WHO MAY BE QUITE CAPABLE OF SAVING A LIFE.

AND IF THEY JUST SAVED ONE LIFE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WELL WORTH THE INVESTMENT.

SO AS FOR ME, AS I SAID, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, BUT I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S DESIRE.

BUT I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I GOT A MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES 4 TO 1.

SO WE ARE NOW ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS:]

DEPUTY MAYOR. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.

YES, AND I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT PHILIP WEINBERG TO THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.

I SECOND THAT MOTION.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

OKAY. TENSION ON DECK.

I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

SO WE'RE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER ONE MADAM SMITH, RESOLUTION 20 2444.

[NEW BUSINESS:]

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

GRANTING APPROVAL OF A DECLARATION OF COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT FOR A PROPOSED AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 166.04151 FLORIDA STATUTES TO BE KNOWN AS BUILDABLE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO BASS PRO SHOP DRIVE IN THE VICINITY, SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO EXECUTIVE CIRCLE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN.

PROVIDED FOR FILING OF THE LAW PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MA'AM. DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY COMMENT CARDS? YEAH, MAYOR, THERE ARE TWO COMMENT CARDS.

FIRST ONE IS BILL BATTEN.

I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE.

FIRST ITEM IS WHERE IS OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING GOING TO BE? IF YOU KEEP USING THESE SITES FOR RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A SHARED PROCESS, BUT 30% OF YOUR RESIDENTS OF YOUR COMMERCIAL IS NOT 100% OF YOUR COMMERCIAL SPACE AVAILABLE.

AND YOU'RE STATING REPEATEDLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL SPACE.

WELL, THIS IS COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVERT IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.

QUESTION ONLY 40% OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ONLY 40% OF THEM.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S FOR ONLY 30 YEARS.

DOES THAT MEAN IN 30 YEARS WE WON'T NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST ASKING SIMPLE QUESTIONS, RIGHT.

THE NEXT ONE IS SO OUT OF WITHIN THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD, WHAT IS THE EXPECTED RENTAL RATE FOR THE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS. WHAT ARE THEY ANTICIPATING THAT RATE TO BE, AND HOW DO YOU QUALIFY TO SEE IF YOU'RE THE ELIGIBLE PERSON TO MOVE INTO THAT APARTMENT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT SPEAKER.

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COLE. OLIVER. GOOD EVENING.

I'M ACTUALLY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

I JUST FILLED OUT A PUBLIC SPEAKING CARD, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY HOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO DO IT TONIGHT.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, MY NAME IS COLE OLIVER.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

MR. COHEN HERE WITH US.

THEY HAVE OWNED THIS SITE FOR A WHILE.

THEY DEVELOPED THE TWO HOTELS.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY SAME OWNERSHIP GROUP HAS DEVELOPED THOSE HOTELS AND BEEN OWNING AND OPERATING THEM FOR THE, I THINK SINCE 2016 OR 2017, WHEN THOSE OPENED. WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO APPROVE A DECLARATION OF THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS GOVERNING THIS PROPERTY UNDER THE STATE LAW LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT WAS PASSED THE WAY THAT LAW IS SET UP.

AND IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS KNOW, FEEL FREE TO SAY MOVE ON AND WE'LL SAVE EVERYBODY SOME TIME.

BUT I'LL LET YOU GUYS ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU'D LIKE AS WELL.

BUT THE WAY THAT LAW IS SET UP IN CITIES SUCH AS PALM BAY, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH COMMERCIAL SPACE AS OTHER CITIES.

THEY SET A RESTRICTION THAT THE CITY COULD REQUIRE A MIXED USE COMPONENT OF ANY OF THESE PROJECTS.

AND CITIES THAT NOT LIKE PALM BAY THAT HAVE ENOUGH COMMERCIAL.

THOSE CITIES, IF YOU COME IN AND YOU DO 40% OF YOUR PROJECT, AS YOU KNOW, THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THERE, YOU JUST GO STRAIGHT FORWARD, NO HEARINGS.

IT GOES THROUGH ZONING.

AND IT'S THIS EMPHASIS, THE EMPHASIS OF THE STATE TO TRY TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCT OUT INTO THE MARKET, TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS STRUGGLING THERE.

PALM BAY DOES FALL BELOW THE CERTAIN STATE THRESHOLD FOR THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND.

AND SO THIS APPLICANT IS MEETING THAT MIXED USE COMPONENT WITH THEIR SITE, WHICH WILL HAVE THE CITY'S ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT WITH IT.

TO THE QUESTION ON WHAT THE RATES WILL BE, THOSE RATES ARE SET BY THE STATE STATUTE.

THEY COME OUT EVERY YEAR, AND IT SETS IT SPECIFICALLY FOR DIFFERENT MARKETPLACES ACROSS THE STATE FOR STUDIOS ONE, TWO, THREE, AND I THINK FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.

AND THAT'S SET AT A, I BELIEVE, 120% OF THE AREA'S MEDIAN INCOME.

AND THEN THEY BACK INTO A NUMBER FROM THAT.

IT'S TOO MUCH MATH FOR ME.

I CAN JUST READ THE CHART THAT THEY PUBLISH EVERY YEAR, AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO QUALIFY FOR ONE OF THOSE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND PROVE AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PROCESS, BUT I BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN INCOME VERIFICATION PROCESS TO SHOW THAT THEY MEET THAT NEED.

THE REMAINING 60 UNITS OF THE PROJECT ARE.

60% OF THE UNITS OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.

SO WHATEVER THE MARKET IS IN THAT AREA, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE INTEREST OF THE OWNER IS GOING TO BE TO TRY TO CHARGE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN TO MAKE A RETURN ON THEIR PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, THAT BEING SAID, THIS DECLARATION IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE LAW FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS TO GO FORWARD, AND IT GIVES THE CITY THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THE 40% THRESHOLD UPON ANY BODY THAT BUILDS IT.

SO THEY CAN'T COME IN AND SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, AND THEN JUST NEXT YEAR, CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE AND KICK OUT ALL THE WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENTS.

SO THIS GIVES THE CITY THE PROTECTION THAT THE CITY IS GETTING.

THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT IS PART OF THE TRADE OFF THE STATE HAS SET FORWARD.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO GO THROUGH, BUT WE ARE HERE.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STATE STATUTE? I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT AND THANK STAFF AND COUNSEL AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT WITH THEM OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO GET IT PREPARED FOR TONIGHT.

SO. WELL, SIR, I GUESS I'LL START THE QUESTION HERE.

YOU MENTIONED WORKFORCE HOUSING.

YES, SIR. AND THEN ANOTHER TERM THAT'S USED IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YES, SIR. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF THE TWO? I THINK IT'S JUST A TERM OF ART.

I DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.

THE STATE DEFINES IT IN THE STATUTE AS AN INCOME PERCENTAGE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE USED IT INTERCHANGEABLY.

WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE.

BUT IT'S IT KEEPS IT BELOW A CERTAIN INCOME THRESHOLD SO THAT IF YOU MAKE MORE THAN THAT, YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR THOSE UNITS.

SO SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST OF NOT THE EXACT MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, BUT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE PAST HAS BEEN WORKFORCE HOUSING AS IT RELATES TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEY'RE THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

AND I'M, I'M AT A AT A LOSS WITH THAT WORKFORCE.

HOUSING. TERM AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ARE WE IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR FIRST.

RESPONDERS TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY UNDER THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING, OR IS.

YOU CAN'T EVEN ANSWER THAT BASED ON.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE INCOMES OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S POLICE AND TEACHERS AND FIRE.

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SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY QUALIFY FOR THE UNITS PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR SPOUSES COMBINED, THEY HAVE A JOINT INCOME ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD AND MAYBE THEY DON'T QUALIFY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING TARGETS THERE.

I BELIEVE, MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT INCOME THRESHOLD FOR THE AREA OR THE I'D HAVE TO.

IT'S. PLEASE USE THE MIC, SIR.

I'M SORRY. I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP THE CHART, BUT IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THE STATE FOR EVERY COUNTY.

THEY THEY RELEASE IT EVERY YEAR, AND IT.

THE THRESHOLD IS 120% ABOVE OF AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IN THE AREA.

BREVARD COUNTY. I SEE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? COUNCILMAN? NO. NO. COUNCILMAN.

HAMMOND. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

NO. OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'M SORRY. NO. YOU'RE GOOD.

MAYOR, I'LL BE A LITTLE LENGTHY FIRST.

IF IF MISS PATRICIA SMITH WANTS TO ELABORATE, I KNOW THEY GOT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO GOOD TO HEAR FROM OUR CITY STAFF IF SHE HAS ANYTHING SHE WANTS TO THROW INTO. YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO GET.

OH, I'M GONNA ASK QUESTIONS FOR HIM, TOO.

OKAY. YEAH. JUST BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON, MA'AM, I'M ON THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO.

AND I SPOKE TO YOU EARLIER AS WELL.

VIA EMAIL ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE.

YOU SHARED SHARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.

MR. OLIVER JUST SAID SO IF YOU CAN KIND OF TALK TO THAT.

OH, THE.

THIS ISN'T. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS CERTAINLY ISN'T APPROVING THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE NO ABILITY. COUNCIL HAS NO ABILITY TO APPROVE THE PROJECT OR DENY THE PROJECT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA.

THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT BY STATUTE.

WHAT THIS DOES IS THE STATUTE REQUIRES THEM TO KEEP AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LIVE LOCAL PER SE THAT SAYS HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THIS.

THE DECLARATIONS AND COVENANTS IS THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

WE'RE GOING TO GET AN AGREEMENT AND IT'S GOING TO RUN WITH THE LAND.

AND IT INCLUDES HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR THAT? AND ALSO A LITTLE ADDITIONAL THINGS IS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE DON'T WANT THESE PEOPLE SEGREGATED FROM THE REST OF THE PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO AGREE WITH THEM.

THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO PROCEED.

AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY TELL US, OH YEAH, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED.

AND THEN LATER ON THEY DO WHATEVER AND SOMEONE COMES TO HOW DO YOU MAKE THEM DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO? AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

BUT THIS IS AN ENFORCEABLE AGREEMENT SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE PLANNED.

I KNOW SOMEONE SOMETIMES WE ASK, HOW CAN WE JUST BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THEY'VE GOT THAT PERCENTAGE.

CAN WE MAKE THEM JUST DEDICATE THAT TO A CERTAIN GROUP FOR A CERTAIN OCCUPATION? WHERE THE STATE STATUTE TALKS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE, WHAT'S AFFORDABLE, WHAT THE LIMITS ARE? AND YES, WE CAN DO LEGISLATE CONCURRENTLY.

BUT THERE IS A PART WHERE WHEN YOU'RE LEGISLATING, YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONFLICTING.

SO IF THE LEGISLATOR SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE 40%, AND IF THEY MEET THESE HOUSEHOLD INCOME, THEY CAN GO THERE, THEN WE TELL THEM, WELL, NO, WE'RE GOING TO SET THESE OTHER ASIDE SO PEOPLE THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ABLE TO QUALIFY UNDER THE STATE STATUTE, WE MAY HAVE THESE UNITS VACANT BECAUSE WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME OCCUPATIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT AREN'T IN THE STATUTE.

I WOULD TELL US NOT TO DO THAT.

CERTAINLY. I THINK THEY'RE JUST ANY APARTMENT COMPLEX, EVEN MARKET RATES.

A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE LOOKING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY'RE LOOKING AND THEY'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING BEYOND WHAT THE STATUTE WANTS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS REALLY TO HAVE LESS REGULATIONS BY GOVERNMENT SO THAT THINGS CAN MOVE ALONG.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY GET INTO CREATING MORE REGULATIONS THAT MAY ACTUALLY IMPEDE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS FROM BEING ABLE TO GET THE HOUSING.

SO I WOULD DISCOURAGE THIS FROM MAKING ANY OCCUPATIONAL REQUIREMENTS AS A PART OF THIS AGREEMENT.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

AND ASIDE FROM THAT, A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

IT MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SITTING.

I BELIEVE THIS WAS A WHILE AGO NOW.

THIS PROJECT WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE BROUGHT AS A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

I BELIEVE SO.

OKAY. BY ONE OF MY EX PARTNERS.

BUT YES, HE DID MAKE ANY ANY HEADWAY.

OH, YEAH. AGREED.

SO WITH THAT AS THE COMMERCIAL AS AS IT STANDS ALREADY WHERE YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY BITES FOR.

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I WASN'T GETTING ANY TRACTION.

WE DID HIRE A LOCAL BROKER IN THE AREA.

WE JUST NEVER GOT THE TRACTION WE NEEDED.

OKAY. WE DID DEVELOP THE SITE.

I MEAN, IT'S FULLY SITE DEVELOPED, JUST WAITING FOR TENANTS, BUT WE NEVER COULD GET SOME TRACTION ON THE SITE.

THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO GO THIS ROUTE.

UNDERSTOOD. AND ANOTHER QUESTION.

THIS IS ME KIND OF MESSING WITH YOUR SITE PLAN NOW.

I LOVE THE MIXED USE FOR BUILDING FOUR, FOR.

BUT INSTEAD OF THE CLUBHOUSE OVER NEXT TO BUILDING ONE, COULDN'T THAT BE A MIXED USE BUILDING AS WELL, INSTEAD OF THE CLUBHOUSE? NEXT BUILDING ONE.

SORRY. I'LL JUST TURN THIS AROUND SO YOU CAN SEE.

ALL RIGHT, SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE, BUILDING FOUR IS A MIXED USE BUILDING.

CORRECT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE TWO BUILDINGS WHICH ARE JUST GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENTS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS ONE WHICH IS AN APARTMENT, BUT YOU HAVE THE CLUBHOUSE RIGHT THERE.

SO INSTEAD OF JUST USING A CLUBHOUSE POOL, THIS IS FLORIDA.

EVERYBODY'S ALREADY OUTSIDE.

ANYWAYS, I'M THINKING THIS CAN ALSO BE AN ADDITIONAL MIXED USE BUILDING WHERE THE FIRST FLOOR IS COMMERCIAL AND THE NEXT TWO FLOORS ABOVE ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THAT COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVE COUNCIL'S BEEN REALLY PUSHING IS MIXED USE.

I'VE SEEN IT IN SO MANY OTHER CITIES WHERE IT'S JUST IT HELPS IT THRIVE BETTER.

IT CREATES WALKABILITY, IT CREATES JOBS, AS THE MAYOR SAYS.

SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING JUST I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, ASK.

SO OUR UNIT COUNT IS KIND OF MAXED OUT RIGHT NOW AT, I THINK, 120 UNITS.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE DID DECIDE TO USE THE FOURTH BUILDING AND USE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL UNDERNEATH IT.

YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL AND THE TOP LEVELS FOR RESIDENTIAL.

CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING IN FOR AN AMENDMENT ON THE SITE PLAN JUST IN THE FUTURE.

BUT AND WE ARE KIND OF SIMPLIFYING THE CLUBHOUSE WHERE WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE A POOL IN THE SUMMER KITCHEN AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN ORDER TO GET MORE UNITS INTO THE FOURTH BUILDING WITH THE COMMERCIAL PIECE ON THE BOTTOM.

WE HAVE I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE SUBMITTED ANYTHING.

WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, OUR DESIGN PHASE.

MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER THAT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE SITE PLAN.

WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THE COVENANTS.

HE HAD. HE HAD A QUESTION.

I'LL GIVE HIM THE LATITUDE OF THE QUESTION.

YEAH OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. SO I'LL GET BACK ON IT.

SO LAST QUESTION WOULD YOU CONSIDER BECAUSE IT SAYS AT LEAST 40%, WOULD YOU CONSIDER 60%.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN 60% AFFORDABILITY.

SO I'LL SAY SOMETHING.

SO ALL THE UNITS ARE THE SAME.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AFFORDABLE UNITS OR NON AFFORDABLE UNITS.

ALL THE FINISHES ALL EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.

EXACTLY THE SAME.

ALL THE APPLIANCES, ALL THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING, THE LIGHTS, EVERYTHING THE INTERIORS, EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY THE SAME.

WE'RE GOING BY THE STATUTE ON MINIMUM 40% JUST BECAUSE AGAIN IT WE ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS WORK, GET LOANS, GET EVERYTHING.

AND IF I GO HIGHER THAN 40% AND RESTRICT MYSELF EVEN MORE, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET FINANCING AND SEE THIS PROJECT THROUGH.

SO I'M TRYING.

YEAH, I'M TRYING TO WRAP IT UP, MAYOR.

IT'S JUST IT'S NOT OFTEN WE GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

AND REGARDING WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THOSE ARE JUST TERMS THAT, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE LOBBYING OR ADVOCATING WITH THE STATE, WE WERE USING THE TERM WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE THEY CONSIDER ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SECTION EIGHT, WHICH THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THAT THERE IS A LARGE PORTION OF THAT.

THAT IS. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL.

SO FOR I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

I'M NOT GOOD WITH JUST THE LEASE, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AS WELL, SIR.

CORRECT. BUT I MEAN, I THE WHOLE PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MARKET RATE, IT IS WORKFORCE HOUSING PROBLEM.

THAT'S OUR TARGET, OUR WHOLE TARGET.

AND THE WAY THE BUSINESS PLAN WORKS IS IF EVERYONE WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT'S NOT THAT I'M GOING TO CHARGE A LOT MORE OR OR MORE FOR MARKET RENT.

THE WAY I, I MODELED THIS BUSINESS PLAN IS EVERYBODY IS AT 120% AMI.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

SO SO THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WE PASSED THE VOLUNTEER INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN HELPED WITH THAT IN REGARDS TO INCENTIVES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

I'LL HAVE OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, LISA FRAZIER.

OR DO YOU WANT TO DO CLINTON? CLINTON ARE YOU PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT? VOLUNTEER INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.

SO IT WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO.

WE COULDN'T WE COULDN'T WE COULDN'T DO.

WELL, WE COULD DO MANDATORY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, BUT THE STATE MADE IT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO COVER THE COST FOR THE DEVELOPER.

SO WE CREATED A POLICY FOR VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING TO HELP PROVIDE SOME INCENTIVES TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THIS WAS IN DISCUSSION OR IF THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT CAN ALSO BE ADDED TO THE DISCUSSION TO ALSO ASSIST, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING

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FROM, SIR, YOU'RE INVESTING A LOT.

LET OUR STAFF COME, COME RESPOND.

LET OUR STAFF COME RESPOND TO HIS QUESTIONS.

YEAH. OH. I'M SORRY. YEAH.

OH, I'M SURE I'LL MAKE A CHANGE AND HAVE JOAN START THIS UP.

OKAY. SORRY, CLINTON.

I JUST FIGURED I'D GIVE A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY UP HERE.

SO WHEN THE PROJECT ORIGINALLY DID COME UP, I DO BELIEVE THAT STAFF AND THE ASSIGNED PLANNER DISCUSSED THE VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND THE INDUCEMENTS, IF YOU WILL, AVAILABLE TO THE DEVELOPER.

THERE ARE I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

AND WHAT THAT WHAT THOSE INDUCEMENTS AFFORD THE DEVELOPER.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IN OUR LDC PHASE TWO, WE ARE GOING TO BRING BACK THE VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.

SECTION OF THE CODE, WHICH IS IS LIMITED TO LOOK AT IT IN COMPARISON WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, TO FIND A WAY TO COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER RATHER THAN COMPETE, AND ALSO LOOK AT HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE USING VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, INVOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND OTHER INCENTIVES THAT THEY OFFER.

SO WE WILL BE BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU ALL LATER IN THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, OR SORRY, EARLY IN THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR.

BUT YES, WE DID DISCUSS JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

HOWEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND OUR VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. HATCHER. THANK YOU MA'AM.

SO I GUESS I'M GOING TO I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.

OKAY, SIR.

SO PALM BAY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF OF AMENITIES FOR PEOPLE TO DO.

ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PLACES THAT DOES CONCERTS AND DOES EVENTS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HARLEY DAVIDSON.

HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THAT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE EVENTS THAT ARE AT NIGHT.

AND WHEN YOU BRING A BUNCH OF HOUSING IN THERE AND PRIME COMMERCIAL AREA, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT.

HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING OF THAT? NO. I MEAN, ONLY THE TWO HOTELS IN THE PAST.

I MEAN, I'VE NEVER GOT COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM HOTEL GUESTS OR ANYTHING.

SO I WOULD THINK IT'S A SIMILAR THING.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING AT NIGHT JUST LIKE THE OKAY, THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE OKAY.

AND MY OTHER THING WAS FOR MISS SMITH THE COUNTY CHOSE AN OPT OUT FEATURE FOR SB 102.

CORRECT? YES.

AND WE HAVE THAT OPTION AS WELL.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN DECIDED ON.

I DO HAVE A DRAFT OF A RESOLUTION, IF THAT'S HOW COUNCIL DECIDES.

AND SO LONG AS WE ARE ABLE TO PASS THAT AND GET IT TO THE OUR LOCAL THE COUNTY AGENCY BY JANUARY 1ST, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WILL BE FINE.

BUT YES, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT AMONGST OURSELVES.

OKAY. I WOULD I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THE OPT OUT.

FOR ONE THING, OUR GROWTH ON RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY HIGH DENSITY, IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A COMMERCIAL, ESPECIALLY IN OUR ONLY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE PEOPLE ON EXPANDING ON OUR COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

YOU'VE GOT FOUR NEW PEOPLE ON COUNCIL OR THREE PLUS ONE, ONE NEW ONE.

MAKE A POINT OF ORDER THAT THIS COULD BE SAVED FOR COUNCIL REPORTS.

THE ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THE DECLARATION OF COVENANTS.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.

BUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE STATE STATUTE.

ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THAT THAT'S THE POINT OF ORDER HERE.

AND AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THERE WERE SEVEN MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT OUR STATE THAT WERE LOOKING TO GET AN EXCLUSION FROM THIS STATE STATUTE.

AND PALM BAY WAS ONE OF THEM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

SO PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS FOR US TO BE EXEMPT FROM THIS.

YOU EVER HEARD OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? I THINK WE FALL INTO THAT.

WE ARE LIMITED WITH COMMERCIAL AND OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SO YOU'RE SPOT ON.

AND THEN TO THAT POINT, THE LOCATION OF THIS THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I LOOKED AT IT, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE TO GET OUT OF THAT AREA TO GET OUT TO PALM BAY ROAD. IS IS A IS A NIGHTMARE TO PUT 120 MORE UNITS ON THERE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE MANDATED BY THIS, BUT WE JUST WANT TO ON THE RECORD SHOW, HEY, WE NEED TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

BUT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT ON THE REPORTS IS THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ASK OUR LEGISLATIVE COMPANY TO, TO LOBBY FOR US THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID WE'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

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SO AT THIS TIME.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE SPEAKER? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I'D LIKE JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS.

NUMBER ONE, I'M NOT A FAN OF LIVE LOCAL.

I DON'T THINK THE STATE SHOULD BE TELLING LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY COMMENCED ON IT UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

I COMMEND STAFF FOR THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'VE PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF OUR, OF OUR COMMUNITY AND GO FURTHER BEYOND WHAT THE STATE STATUTES REQUIRING.

I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE A RECORDED DOCUMENT THAT IF THE IF THE PROJECT EVER SELLS, IT WILL PASS ON TO A NEW OWNER.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN.

SEEING NONE, I'M CALLING THE QUESTION.

AYE. ALL RIGHT. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, GENTLEMEN.

FOUR YEARS AGO AS I CAMPAIGNED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW.

AND IF YOU DON'T, I JUST WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR HISTORY.

WE HAD THE FBI, FDLE HERE.

WE HAD MANY INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE GOING ON.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO INSTITUTE IS, IS RESTORING THE PUBLIC TRUST IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND BACK THEN, I BOUGHT FOR FOR PROPOSAL TO THE THEN COUNCIL TO HAVE THE FBI COME IN AND DO A BRIEF ON ON ANTI-CORRUPTION, ON ON THE PITFALLS, IF YOU WILL, OF HOW CORRUPTION COULD BE EASILY TRANSLATED, THE PERCEPTION OF IT. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL AND GET A CONSENSUS.

IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE ARRANGEMENTS TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF PRESENTATION AT A WORKSHOP.

WE CAN INVITE THE COMMUNITY IN SO THAT WE'RE ALL VISITING AND WATCHING THIS AND LEARNING FROM ANY PITFALLS THAT MAY COME WITHIN THE FUTURE OR WHAT IT MAY APPEAR LIKE.

SO THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP.

BECAUSE I WANTED TO STAY ON THE SAME TRACK THAT WE BEGAN, THAT WE BEGAN FOUR YEARS AGO.

SO I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN ON MY LEFT.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I'M WITH YOU 100%.

WHENEVER EVERYONE HAS TIME, I'LL ATTEND.

THANK YOU. SIR.

COUNCILMAN. HAMMOND, I'M IN AGREEANCE.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

WELL, I FELT IT WAS SIMILAR TO OUR ETHICS CLASS THAT WE WILL ALL HAVE TO TAKE STATE ETHICS COURSE FOR FOR FOUR HOURS EVERY YEAR.

I DID LIKE THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS LAST GO ROUND FOUR YEARS AGO, SO I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. AND DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M IN AGREEMENT TO THIS AND WOULD ALSO JUST MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED EVERY ELECTION CYCLE, EVERY TWO YEARS, THAT IN FEBRUARY THAT THIS WORKSHOP TAKES PLACE EVERY TWO YEARS AS AS NEW COUNCIL COMES ON BOARD, YOU MEAN.

YEAH. THAT THAT'S A YOU KNOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.

BECAUSE I AGREE IT IS MORE OF A PREEMPTIVE MEASURE AND EDUCATION.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON DOES MENTION WILL BE TAKING ETHICS COURSES THAT ARE FOUR HOURS AND IT'S EVERY YEAR.

HOWEVER, I THINK THIS FBI PRESENTATION WAS REALLY SPOT ON WITH DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF, OF HOW QUICKLY THINGS CAN GO SOUTH AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT PRESENTATION.

SO THAT BEING SAID, MADAM SHERMAN, I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION.

SO THAT THAT BEING SAID, MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE A DATE OR IS THERE A CONTACT THAT YOU COULD REACH OUT TO SO THAT I COULD CONTINUE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET THIS UNDER OUR CALENDAR? YES, SIR. WE'LL WORK ON THAT FOR YOU.

I DON'T HAVE DATES CURRENTLY, BUT WE'LL WORK ON THAT FOR YOU.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS DEPUTY MAYOR? THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS ON NEW BUSINESS NUMBER TWO.

OKAY, SO I DON'T NEED A MOTION, JUST CONSENSUS.

IS THAT CORRECT, MA'AM? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO THEN THE THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO BRING UP IS.

GENTLEMEN, WE'RE ALL NEW ON THE COUNCIL HERE.

WE'LL ALL BE THAT WAY, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED BEFORE.

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AND I WANT TO GET YOUR YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS.

I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU WERE TRACKING AS WE WERE MOVING FORWARD AND YOU GUYS WERE CAMPAIGNING.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY FIRSTHAND REGARDING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND SO, NUMBER ONE WAS PUBLIC SAFETY.

AS OUR CITIES CONTINUE TO GROW, WE NEED ADDITIONAL FIRE AND POLICE RESOURCES, INCLUDING STATIONS.

THAT DEMAND HAS TRULY INCREASED.

AND AND PART OF THIS LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION WOULD BE FOR US TO PURSUE DEBT SERVICES TO FUND A PERMANENT FIRE STATION, EIGHT, NINE AND SO ON.

AND POLICE SUBSTATIONS.

BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT WE WILL BE RELEASING SOME OF THOSE DEBT SERVICES.

AND SO IT'LL BE JUST SEAMLESSLY IDEALLY ON PAPER IS WHAT I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WE GO ON AND START BUILDING THESE FIRE STATIONS SO THAT THAT'S ONE ITEM.

AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THE OPERATIONAL AUDIT.

YEARS AGO, WE HAD SOME DEFICIENCIES AND THE AUDIT, AND WE'VE ADJUSTED ALL OF THOSE.

SO PART OF THIS OPERATIONS BUDGET.

AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AGREED.

HE. I JUST CALLED IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO AN OPERATIONS BUDGET WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN MAKE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS AND STRENGTHEN CERTAIN CYBER SECURITY ISSUES AND, AND STUDY WHERE WE'RE LACKING.

THEN WE HAVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

RIGHT? I THINK WE ALL NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WE GOT IT'S GOING ON THESE WIDENING PROJECTS.

SO A LOT OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ALREADY WORKED ON, I WANT TO GET ALL YOUR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE CONTINUING OF OF BRINGING IN COMMERCIAL. AND LIKE WE'VE ALREADY STATED, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THAT'S THE JOB CREATION, RIGHT? SO AND THEN WE HAVE A HUGE, HUGE DEFICIENCY WITH OUR ROAD BOND PROGRAM.

AND WE ARE GOING INTO STRATEGY SESSION WITH THAT.

BUT A WORKSHOP TO ENGAGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

SO I PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA SPECIFICALLY JUST TO HAVE YOU GUYS ENGAGE AND COMMUNICATE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.

I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN IT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION HERE TODAY.

IT'S ALL ABOUT OUR DIALOG BECAUSE WE CANNOT SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THE SUNSHINE.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU DURING THE CAMPAIGN SESSION.

I KNOW SOME COMMENTS.

YOU'VE SEEN ME IN CAMPAIGNS TALK ABOUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIALS, CRITICAL JOB CREATION, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE CAN ALL JUST COME TOGETHER AND AND BE TRANSPARENT AND TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

SO I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN AND THEN COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST AND I'M WITH YOU ON THESE.

MAYOR. THIS IS DEFINITELY WHAT WE NEED TO BE MOVING FORWARD.

I CAMPAIGNED ON SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU CAMPAIGNED ON, WHICH I THINK IS WHY THE RESIDENTS VOTED FOR US.

IT WAS CLEARLY A MANDATE ON NOVEMBER 5TH ON WHAT THEY WANTED AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE PEOPLE SEEM TO WANT.

I SAID LAST NIGHT I KNOCKED 18,000 DOOR.

I DIDN'T KNOCK 18,000.

I KNOCKED PROBABLY EIGHT, 8 OR 9000 PERSONALLY.

AND THEN BUT AS A COLLECTIVE, WE KNOCKED 18,000 DOORS.

AND I GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE KNOCKING DOORS AND TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER VENUES AS WELL.

AND INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NUMBER ONE, I THINK, A LOT.

I THINK EVERYONE IN HERE COULD SAY THAT EVERYONE WANTS AN INCREASE IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

AS WE'VE GROWN AS A CITY, WE NEED TO GROW OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

PUBLIC SAFETY IS ALSO HUGE AS WE'VE GROWN AS A CITY.

WE NEED TO BE GROWING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND THAT HASN'T NECESSARILY HAPPENED AS QUICKLY AS IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

SO WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO THOSE ARE NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES.

AND THEN BRINGING IN HIGH PAYING JOBS.

THAT WAS MY THIRD CAMPAIGN PROMISE.

NOW I IT WAS KIND OF BEATEN TO A DEAD HORSE EARLIER, SO I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT NOW TO BE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR COMMERCIAL AND OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WAS A TERRIBLE BILL.

I'M A I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF OUR GOVERNOR AND OUR LEGISLATOR, BUT THAT WAS A GOD AWFUL BILL.

AND IT HAS NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON US.

I HOPE WE DO MAKE THAT A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY TO, TO LOBBY TO GET US AN EXEMPTION ON THAT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ABOUT HOW WE DO CERTAIN COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT MAYBE THE FASTER WE BRING THEM IN, THE FASTER WE CAN WE CAN GET THEM INSTEAD OF CERTAIN HOUSING PROJECTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED HOUSING, BUT WE'RE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE HOUSING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE FREE MARKET SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

SO I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.

BUT IT'S A HURDLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH.

SO YEAH, MAYBE JUST WORKING ON BRINGING IN BUSINESSES AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO FILL SOME OF THOSE PLOTS WOULD, WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.

BUT I'M WITH YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MATTER OF WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE, BUT JUST THE MINUTIA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THEM AND THE STRATEGY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH FORWARD.

BUT THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HAMMOND.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK INTO IT, BUT I WILL ECHO WHAT WHAT YOU BOTH SAID.

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IF YOU DRIVE AROUND HERE, I.

I KNOCKED ON A BUNCH OF PEOPLE'S DOORS AS WELL.

AND THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR OUR ROADS.

IT'S IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE IF YOU'RE LATE.

I THINK THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY FOCUSES IS TO BRING IN A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS TO TAKE THE TAX BURDEN OFF OF US, THE RESIDENTS.

I DO I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THERE DOES NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT ON THE BACKSIDE, IT SHOULD NOT COME AT THE COST OF THE RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT LIVE HERE ALREADY.

AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS TAX NOT COMING IN.

SO THAT DOES COME OFF THE BACKS OF US.

I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NUMBER ONE, WIDENING OUR ROADS AND MAKING THIS PLACE MORE LIVABLE OTHER THAN WHEN WE'RE AT HOME. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

WE WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER EVERYTHING, MAYOR.

SO NOTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN JUST.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.

I JUST WANT US TO BE MINDFUL WITH THE BONDS, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT COMES FORTH BEFORE US.

OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD LIKE I.

I WAS IN TAMPA FOR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES LAST WEEK, AND IT WAS I GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION AND ALSO A LOT OF WHAT NOT TO DO.

CALIFORNIA. SO ANYWAYS.

BUT BUT WHAT I DID SEE WAS THEY INVESTED IN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

THEY GOT A LOT OF CARS AND A LOT OF VEHICLES OFF THE ROADS, WHICH IS SOMETHING I SEE WE CAN DO WITH SCAT.

I KNOW STAFF HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH SCAT TO SEE WHAT ARE SOME HIGH VOLUME AREAS WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A BUS STOP? SO THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO THIS.

SUMMARY, MAYOR, IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

YEAH. AND PART OF THAT, AND I FAILED TO TO MENTION BUT IT'S ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, IS WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES. AND THERE THERE'S A LOT OF YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DAMAGING THE ROADS WE GOT TALKING ABOUT GLASS HYDRAULIC FLUID SPILLS.

SO I WOULD WANT THAT THAT TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

DO WE NEED A WORKSHOP WITH REPUBLIC.

SO THAT MADAME SHERMAN CAN START WORKING ON THAT? WE COULD DISCUSS THE CONTRACT.

WE COULD DISCUSS A WORKSHOP WITH THEM, WHAT RESOLUTIONS THEY COULD DO.

WOULD A WORKSHOP BE MORE FEASIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO TO HAVE EVERYONE COME THROUGH OR WHAT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON? WELL, I'M SMILING BECAUSE WE HAD THE WORKSHOP BEFORE.

YES. AND THEN I THINK NOT WITH THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS THESE ARE NEW ITEMS. BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST US AND BILL BATTEN IN THE AUDIENCE.

YEAH. BUT WITH THESE.

YEAH, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THESE ISSUES ARE MORE RECENT.

WE WEREN'T HAVING THESE ISSUES THE FIRST FEW YEARS.

THE GLASS THAT'S BREAKING DOWN FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE TRUCK.

SO THERE'S THERE'S AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND I'LL MENTION IT, MR. STICE, HE FEELS PROPERTY VALUES ARE BEING AFFECTED IN SUBDIVISION, SO I, I WITH AT THE RISK OF MENTIONING HIS NAME, I'LL JUST SAY IT. I KIND OF CONCUR.

YOU GO DOWN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SEE ALL THESE, THESE SPILLS, AND AND YOU GOT TO BE DODGING GLASS WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING IN YOUR BY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET TO YOUR HOUSE.

I'M NOT SURE HOW I COULD NOT HOLD THESE FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE.

RIGHT. THEY THEY NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE AND SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, MAYBE WE COULD GET THIS WORK DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

LATER. DEPUTY MAYOR.

I JUST GOT ON ON A LITTLE PASSION THING WITH REPUBLICANS, SO I'M SORRY, BUT CARRY ON.

I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

SO. YEAH, JUST I'LL JUST START AT THE TOP AND WORK MY WAY DOWN.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF OF DEBT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A 3% CAP THAT'S HANDCUFFING US FROM BEING SUCCESSFUL.

THE STATE ALREADY HAS A 10% CAP.

AND AS OF NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HUGE HUGE GROWTH IN OUR CITY OF RENTAL PROPERTIES.

AND THOSE FOLKS ARE BENEFITING FROM ALMOST A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

JUST LIKE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO BREAK THAT CAP.

I'M A BIG FAN OF ANY AUDIT OF ANY KIND.

WE'RE A BIG CITY, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

AND WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND AN OPERATIONAL AUDIT AT ANY TIME.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T PAN ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

IT'S APPARENT TO EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND WE NEED A WAY TO PAY FOR IT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK REVIEWING THAT 3% CAP BREAKING.

THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO TO IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK MR. HATCHER HAS HIS HIS HANDS OR HIS WORK PUT OUT IN FRONT OF HIM.

HE'S GOT A LOT OF STUFF THAT HE'S GOT TO DO, BUT I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN HIS ABILITY TO TO BRING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO OUR CITY.

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AND YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING IN OUR CITY NOW IS THE THE LAND COSTS, THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS, STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT.

AND CAN THESE DEVELOPERS GET THE RENTS THAT THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL? AND YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO MAKE A PROJECT SUCCESSFUL.

AND YOU GOT TO LOOK AT ALL THAT AS A WHOLE.

YOU KNOW, THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM, MAINTENANCE FUNDS, CERTAINLY.

YOU KNOW, THE EDITOR STARTED WE NEED TO FINISH THAT AND THE REPUBLIC CONTRACT.

YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I RECALL, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A NO BID CONTRACT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE BID IT AT THE TIME.

AND IT WAS IN THE MIDST OF COVID, RIGHT? YEAH. I'D BE I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A COPY OF THAT CONTRACT AND AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND PROVIDING BETTER SERVICES FOR OUR CITY.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT PROCUREMENT DO IN THE FUTURE TO GET COMPETITIVE BIDS? I WASN'T REALLY THRILLED THAT WE HAVE PICKUP TWICE A WEEK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OPTION OF HAVING A LARGER CAN.

THAT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME AS A RESIDENT, BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HAD ON THIS.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

SO LET ME JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY BOND RIGHT TO THE THE VOTERS VOTED FOR THE CAP AND AND THEY RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE IS THAT'S WHY THE DEBT SERVICES IS BEING LOOKED AT.

BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT WE CAN BUST THE CAP, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE A A SUPERMAJORITY TO GO ABOVE THE 3% CAP AND TO IDENTIFY THAT.

RIGHT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THE DEBT SERVICES WE COULD LITERALLY INVEST INTO THAT PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING NOW WHEN IN REGARDS TO REPUBLIC THAT CONTRACT I AGREE WITH YOU SIR.

I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS COUNCIL COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS ON THE COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS, THESE CHAMBERS WERE FULL ASKING FOR TWICE A WEEK.

AND I REMEMBER BECAUSE I AS A CITIZEN, I SAT IN THE AUDIENCE.

AND SO COUNCIL IN 2020, IN THE MIDST OF COVID REACTED TO THAT.

AND THAT WAS THE BIT THAT THEY ENTERTAINED WAS THE TWICE A WEEK.

BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.

WE SHOULD HAVE JUST HAD A LARGER CONTAINER, RIGHT.

PART OF THAT CONTRACT FOR ONCE ONCE A WEEK SERVICE.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THAT TRANSPIRED SINCE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS THERE.

BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR LOOKING OUT AT AT EACH AND EVERY ITEM.

SINCE WE HAVE CONSENSUS, MADAM MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD.

OH. WE DO. OKAY.

CARRY ON. BILL BATTEN, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

I AGREE ALL OF THESE IDENTITIES ARE PERTINENT TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

ALL OF THEM.

RIGHT. SOME SHOULD BE FUNDED AND SOME NOT.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, RIGHT? BUT ONE THING THAT IS FOR SURE IS A DISCUSSION ON ALL OF THESE WOULD BE PERTINENT FOR A CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD TO BE LOOKING AT, TO TO BE LOOKING AT ON HOW WE COULD WORKED WITH THE RESIDENTS, WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE FACING, ON HOW THEY COULD WORK WITH YOU.

AND THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD WOULD DO THAT.

ON A DIFFERENT NOTE PERTAINING TO THAT, JUST FOR DISCUSSION.

DON'T DON'T TAKE ME TO BEHIND THE TOOL SHED ON THIS ONE JUST FOR DISCUSSION.

NO NEW DEVELOPMENT UNTIL ALL THAT ARE IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW GET COMPLETED.

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, IS BECAUSE WE WILL THEN SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS OF ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE.

NOW WE HAVE SO MANY IN THE IN THE WORKS.

WE'RE LOOKING 5 TO 7 YEARS OUT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE YET.

WE'RE TRYING TO BRING MORE ON.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ACTUALLY ARE FROM THOSE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT TERM MORATORIUM ON DEVELOPMENT, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE BROUGHT IN.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON TO THE CITY WE HAVEN'T GENERATED AND WE KEEP HEARING, WELL, THAT NEW GROWTH IS WHAT'S GOING TO GENERATE THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WELL, WE'VE SEEN AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, THE NEW GROWTH DID NOT PAY ENOUGH IN THE IMPACTS OR THE DEVELOPMENTS TO WARRANT THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AT THIS SIZE IS RIGHT NOW.

IT MIGHT BE THAT THIS IS THE SIZE OF THE CITY WE CAN SUPPORT.

THAT MIGHT BE ALL IT IS.

I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND TO BE WHAT YOU WANT TO BE.

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IF YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BELIEVES IN FULL GROWTH AND MAXIMUM GROWTH, BUT THIS MIGHT BE THE SIZE OF THE CITY THAT THIS COMMUNITY CAN SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN. THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE BEAST, FOLKS.

JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, RIGHT? BRING BACK THIS. BRING BACK THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

AND THAT'S OUR NEXT ITEM THERE, MASTER CHIEF.

THAT'S OUR NEXT ITEM.

BUT I WILL ALSO ADD, IF I MAY.

SORRY. PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

RIGHT. OF OUR OF THE GROWTH RIGHT IN THE DENSITY IS LET'S CHERISH THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

THOSE ONE ACRE, FIVE ACRE LOTS THAT I I'VE EMBRACED AND I AND I THINK THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT.

TO HOW WE MANAGE OUR GROWTH.

AND WE'VE ALREADY INSTITUTED NEW IMPACT FEES.

SO I WAS QUITE PROUD OF THAT FACT AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, DID YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING? NO. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IF WE WERE TO PUT IN PLACE WHAT WAS PROPOSED PROPOSED BEFORE A MORATORIUM ON, LIKE, MULTIFAMILY OR PUDS.

IN REGARDS TO MULTIFAMILY, WOULD THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TRUMP THAT OR WOULD WE BE SAFE WITH THAT? YES. BECAUSE THE ANY HOUSING UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ISN'T COMING FORTH THROUGH COUNCIL.

THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT IT.

AND AS FAR AS PUDS COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE MORATORIUM, BUT COUNCIL ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER THE DENSITY AND INTENSITIES WHEN THAT COMES FORTH.

CERTAINLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FORTH REFLECTS COUNCIL'S VISION.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WE YOU WANT TO NECESSARILY AVOID A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

CERTAINLY THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WHERE WE NEED TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE MAKING THOSE RESTRICTIONS, WE HAVE A STRATEGY IN PLACE AND FIND OUT WHAT IS THE BEST MECHANISM TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU. SO GREAT DISCUSSION GUYS.

REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT ON THE DAIS HERE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I JUST BEFORE WE GO TO NUMBER FOUR JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

DID YOU GET ENOUGH INTEL SO THAT WE COULD START DOING WORKSHOPS HERE AND THERE? AND. YEAH, IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU WANT US JUST TO TAKE BACK EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST AND START MAKING A PLAN TO BRING THINGS FORWARD.

OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE A SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WANT TO WORK ON TONIGHT FIRST, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL WORKSHOPS.

OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS.

MY VOTE WOULD BE DEBT SERVICES FIRST FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD BE MY VOTE.

GENTLEMEN. YEAH, WE GOT CONSENSUS FOR THAT ONE ITEM, AND THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP WORKING FROM THERE.

MA'AM, DOES THAT IS THAT GOOD? YES, SIR. THANK YOU MA'AM.

SO NOW WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

AND AND WE DO.

I'M GOING TO DEFER TO COUNCILMAN HAMMER TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

YES. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD IS OPENING UP TRANSPARENCY TO WHAT WE DO WITHIN THE CITY.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF TRUST TO GAIN BACK FOR FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSSION FOR THE CREATION OF A CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD IN RELATIVE TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, I THANK YOU FOR, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

RIGHT. AND I I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND HOW WE COULD MAKE THIS REALLY IMPACTFUL.

AND, AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE NOT ONLY THE BUDGET, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ONLY MEETING AT CERTAIN TIMES.

BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IMPLEMENTED ALONG WITH THIS CITIZEN ADVISORY BUDGET.

ADVISORY BOARD WOULD BE A POLICY TYPE BOARD AT THE SAME TIME, THE SAME BOARD WHERE THEY COULD MEET MORE FREQUENTLY AND BE MORE DATA DRIVEN.

IN OTHER WORDS, BY WE'VE PUT IN X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS INTO PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT ARE THE OUTCOME MEASURES? OKAY. WE REDUCE RESPONSE TIME BY 15 SECONDS OR 20S AND SEE HOW GIVING THEM THAT TYPE OF AUTHORITY RIGHT TO LOOK AT THAT.

BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY TALENTED CIVILIANS, RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT WOULD LOVE TO GET INTO THIS.

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NOW, THE DISCUSSION COULD ALSO BE THE QUALIFICATIONS.

WHAT'S THE CRITERIA OF SERVING ON THIS BOARD? BUT CERTAINLY I WAS ONE THAT I DIDN'T WANT THIS BOARD TO GO AWAY.

I WANTED TO ENHANCE IT.

AND SO I'M I'M FULLY GRATEFUL THAT THIS THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA FOR US TO DISCUSS.

BUT SHOULD WE HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER BEFORE OR YOU GUYS WANT TO WEIGH IN NOW? OKAY. SO, PUBLIC SPEAKER.

EILEEN.

EILEEN. SEP.

1230 FRIEL ROAD NORTHEAST.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE EVER GOT RID OF THE PREVIOUS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, OTHER THAN WHEN I WENT TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS, I WAS TOLD I WAS THE ONLY ONE EVER TO SHOW UP AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS.

BUT WHAT I LEARNED WAS THAT THEY NEVER SAW THE BUDGET UNTIL ABOUT SIX WEEKS AFTER IT WAS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED.

THAT MADE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

AND I HAVE QUESTIONED I QUESTIONED CANDIDATES WHO HAD BEEN ON THE BOARD AND SAID, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? EVEN AS A CITIZEN, WE HAVE RIGHTS UNDER SUNSHINE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO BE ADVISERS.

OKAY, SO WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION ON BUDGET THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD GETS TO WEIGH IN, GIVE THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WEIGHT.

THAT ASIDE SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT.

I, ALONG WITH IT'S A COUNTY WIDE PROJECT.

WE ARE DOING A COALITION OF CITIZENS ON OVERSIGHT.

WE WILL BE DOING SCORECARDS ON WHAT? EVERY OFFICIAL IN THE ENTIRE STATE OR WHO WE VOTE FOR.

WHAT YOU VOTE ON, AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON IT, AND YOU'LL ALL BE WELCOME TO ANSWER IF YOU FEEL LIKE OR NOT.

OR LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHERE YOU STAND.

BECAUSE WHAT I FOUND IS A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME HERE.

THEY HAVE FAMILIES, THEY HAVE OTHER OBLIGATIONS, AND IT'S INTENDED AS A VEHICLE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A VOICE, NOT JUST AT ELECTION TIME. OKAY.

WE WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW IT'S AFFECTING OUR LIVES AND TRY TO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS.

BUT AS FAR AS THE BUDGET GOES, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER'S ON THAT BOARD HAS THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO FUNCTION PROPERLY.

AND BY THE WAY, CONGRATULATIONS.

I'M VERY HOPEFUL FOR ALL OF YOU.

I LIKE WHAT I SEE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. AND ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MAYOR. OKAY, SO I'LL START AT THIS END, DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES, SIR. I'M A FAN OF BRINGING THIS THIS BOARD BACK.

THIS ADVISORY BOARD BACK.

I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO POSSIBLY PUT SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIONS ON ON EXPERIENCE.

YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTING BACKGROUND, FINANCE BACKGROUND, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, BUSINESS OWNER, CFO BACKGROUND.

I AGREE WITH MISS STEP THAT I THINK ANYTIME THE BUDGET'S BEING CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, APPROPRIATIONS OR ANY AMENDMENTS, THAT IT IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THAT THAT BOARD FIRST. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING QUALIFICATIONS EXPERIENCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SERVED ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND THERE'S PEOPLE ON P AND Z THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT AN EASEMENT IS OR A SETBACK.

YOU KNOW, AND WE NEED QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO BE ADVISING US BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN EVERY SINGLE THING, RIGHT? WE ALL HAVE OUR UNIQUE TALENTS AND ABILITIES THAT I MENTIONED LAST NIGHT.

BUT THAT ADVISORY BOARD WITH PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, THAT CAN ADVISE US ACCORDINGLY.

AND I AND I AND I JUST TOUCHING ON WHAT EILEEN SAID ABOUT SEEING IT MORE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT KIND OF LIKE A POLICY AS WELL.

SLASH A POLICY ADVISORY BOARD THAT GIVES THEM NOT ONLY THE ABILITY OF SEEING THE BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT DATA TO TO LOOK AT THE POLICIES THAT CAN ENHANCE YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, STUDYING THE BEST PRACTICES, LIKE I USE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT TO IT.

WHERE WHERE IT COULD BE COMBINED.

WE HAVE A UNIT. THEY'RE ALL QUALIFIED AND AND THROW SOME POLICIES.

I'M SURE THAT OUR CITY MANAGER COULD PROVIDE SOME, SOME TYPE OF OUTCOME MEASURES AND AND FOCUS

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ON, LIKE, WE COULD DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

RIGHT? WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD THAT'S FOR THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM.

BUT IN GENERAL WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T THINK I QUITE CAPTURE YOUR VISION FULLY.

MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE KEEP THE MAIN THING, THE MAIN THING AND, AND FOCUS ON THE BUDGET ADVISORY.

OKAY. ONLY.

OKAY. I'M LOOKING AT GIVING THEM A LITTLE MORE TRACTION.

A LITTLE MORE POWER THAN THAN JUST LOOKING AT THE BUDGET.

BUT CARRY ON.

DEPUTY MAYOR OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THAT'S FOUR YEARS AGO.

BUT NO, I'LL BE I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT, YOU KNOW, I WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS TO OR VOTED TO REMOVE THIS YEAR AGO.

TWO YEARS, HOWEVER LONG, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF WE'RE HAVING THE PARAMETERS THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE HAVE MENTIONED IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, MEASURABLES OR LIKE JUST MAKING SURE IT'S NOT JUST ANYBODY.

QUALIFIED PEOPLE.

I'LL BE MUCH GREATER SUPPORT FOR IT.

BUT I WOULD LOVE IF IF WE COULD HAVE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR COME UP BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS MADE, AND I KNOW FOR THEM NOT TO BE TRUE.

BUT I WANT IT TO COME FROM OUR DIRECTORS.

MADAM CHAIRMAN. FINANCE DIRECTOR.

YES, SIR. LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI.

SO, AS HE'S COMING UP MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI AND MISS CEP, YOU'RE JUST GOING BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU WERE TOLD.

SO IT'S NOTHING AGAINST YOU, MA'AM.

BUT HOW FAR AHEAD WOULD THEY HAVE GOT? YEP. YES, MA'AM. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M.

I'M NOT HOLDING IT AGAINST YOU, MA'AM.

THAT'S ALL. YEAH, BUT HOW FAR AHEAD WOULD BOARD MEMBERS RECEIVE? THE BUDGET BEFORE WE AS A COUNCIL HAD TO VOTE? WELL, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ANSWER BECAUSE WE ARE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OF THE BUDGET ALL THE WAY INTO JUNE.

YOU ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE BUDGET IN JULY.

SO WE ARE IN A BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FROM FEBRUARY ALL THE WAY THROUGH JUNE, WHERE WE WOULD SQUEEZE IN THE CITIZEN INPUT WOULD BE A QUESTION HOW WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP IT.

MAY I SPEAK ON THIS? YES, I WOULD LOVE THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR SIX YEARS, 2 OR 3 OUT OF THE SIX YEARS, THEY JUST THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD JUST APPROVED WHAT THE CITY MANAGEMENT HAD ALREADY APPROVED.

NO VARIATION.

BILL KNOWS NO VARIATION OR ANYTHING OF THAT.

SUCH AND THEN TWO SEPARATE YEARS.

YOU HAD BOARD MEMBERS, ONE BOARD MEMBER SAYING ONE THING WHILE ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER SAYING ANOTHER THING.

AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, HERE WE GO.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST YOU COULD SPEAK FREELY, SIR.

BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE I MENTION THE HISTORY ON THAT.

SO WILL LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD WAS DEVELOPED IN 2018.

IT WAS BEFORE I GOT HERE AND IT WAS ELIMINATED IN 2023 WHEN I DID ARRIVE HERE.

IT WAS A PROCESS THAT WAS NOT WELL DEFINED.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAVING MEETINGS TO HAVE MEETINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAVING THE THE BOARD MEMBERS TRY AND DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT, BUT AGAIN, NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT. SO THAT MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ACTUALLY WITH THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BACK.

YOU KNOW, WE IN THE BUDGET OFFICE AND FINANCE, WE HAVE A VISION TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU KNOW, WE CRAVE TO EDUCATE THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN UP HERE BEFORE WHERE I'VE BROUGHT UP JUST THE SIMPLE FACT OF SAVE OUR HOMES.

AND SO MANY PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT FOR, FIRST OF ALL, THE ADVISORY BOARD TO UNDERSTAND AND TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT TO CITIZENS AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I ENVISION WE ENVISION, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITHIN OUR OUR OFFICE IN HAVING THE PEOPLE THAT SIT UP THERE ON THE ADVISORY BOARD GO BACK TO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, SEE WHAT'S FIRST OF ALL, TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS HERE WITHIN THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SEE A VERY LARGE BUDGET, AND THEY THINK THE MONEY CAN BE SPENT AT WILL TO DO CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, TO DO WHAT YOU WILL WITH IT, BUT IT IS VERY LIMITED ON WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE FUNDS.

THAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST THING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO TO EDUCATE THE CITIZENS AND UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF POTS OF MONEY THAT YOU CANNOT CROSS

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OVER. THAT IN ITSELF WOULD BE INVALUABLE.

THEN TO HAVE ONCE THAT EDUCATION PROCESS HAPPENS, THEN FOR IT TO COME BACK NOW, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR WHATEVER GROUPS YOU WANT TO TALK TO CAN BRING BACK THEIR IDEAS TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT WAY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP BEFORE THE BUDGET PROCESS, AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE LOOKING FOR, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND DEPARTMENT HEADS TO UNDERSTAND IS IT EVEN FEASIBLE TO MOVE IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS? EXCUSE ME. AND THAT THAT IS, IN A NUTSHELL, OUR DESIRE EDUCATION.

THANK YOU SIR.

SURE. COUNCILMAN.

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. SORRY.

I'M GOOD WITH. I'M GOOD WITH THAT PORTION.

YOU'RE GOOD, SIR. POLICY.

I DO AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR, BECAUSE WHAT I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE STAFF HAS CAUGHT OUTDATED POLICIES FROM DECADES AGO AND HAS BROUGHT IT FORTH TO US TO UPDATE IT TO THE MODERN TIMES, OR STATUTES OF SOME SORT.

SO I'M OPEN TO SOMETHING OF THAT SORT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY LOOK AT POLICIES REGARDING SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING OF CONCERN TO RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT WANT TO BE DISCUSSED AND THEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S.

YOU KNOW, I BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CATCH EVERYTHING TOO.

WE'RE HUMAN. SO I'M OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO COUNCILMAN LANDRY.

ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST OFF, COUNCILMAN HAMMER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, AND I'M SUPER GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP TO THE MAYOR'S POINT.

I'M DEFINITELY LEANING IN A IN A DIRECTION OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO TO ME, WITH THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

I STRAIGHT UP IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A FEEL GOOD BOARD.

OKAY, SO THE ONE THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND THE BUDGET'S ALREADY MADE, AND SOME CITIZENS GET TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAD A PART IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PART IN THE PROCESS. I WANTED GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY BOARD, AND I WANT IT TO BE HIGHLY QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS.

I WANT IT TO BE SLIM, A SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

I WANT THE CHAIRMAN TO HAVE A SEAT RIGHT OVER HERE, AND I WANT HIM TO GIVE US A REPORT EVERY MEETING ON WHAT THEY DID FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS, WHERE THEY FOUND THAT WE HAD BLOAT AND EFFICIENCY AND HOW WE COULD BE BETTER BECAUSE ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY DOES NOT RUN AS SMOOTHLY AS A BUSINESS.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, A BUSINESS IS MAKING ITS MONEY BY SELLING A PRODUCT, AND A GOVERNMENT IS MAKING ITS MONEY BY GOING TO A HOMEOWNER AND SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ME A TAX OR YOU CAN'T LIVE IN THIS HOUSE ANYMORE.

SO WE SHOULD BE BETTER STEWARDS OF MONEY THAN EVEN A BUSINESS.

BUT THAT'S IT'S NOT PALM BAY THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT EVERYWHERE.

AND THAT'S WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS CREATING THE DEPARTMENT OF OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHAT I WANT TO LOOK INTO AND JUST GO WAY DEEPER.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S A THAT'S A GIVE THEM SOME TEETH, GIVE THEM MORE ON A POLICY BASIS AND HAVE THEM COME GIVE US REPORTS.

LIKE EVERY MEETING COUNCILMAN.

AND I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS MORE LIKE AN IG, LIKE A CFO AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND MYSELF, WE HAD GIVEN THAT DIRECTION THIS PAST ELECTION TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

IF WE COULD HAVE THAT INDEPENDENT CHARTERED OFFICER.

RIGHT. HOWEVER, WE DID NOT MEET THE TIMING OF IT, BUT THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT WHEN YOU SAY SOMEONE THAT'S SEATED UP HERE TELLING US WHERE WE'RE AT ON EVERY BUDGETARY ITEM OR THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE AUDITS CONSTANTLY AND I'M WORKING LIKE THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR AM I SO UNDERSTANDING THIS VERY SIMILAR, VERY SIMILAR.

AND I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE VOTED IN YOUR FAVOR THAT NIGHT.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW HAS A LOT OF IGS.

IT'S NOT HELPING. NO, NO.

WELL, THAT THAT OVERSIGHT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I DO THINK THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE A QUALIFIED CITIZEN AS WELL THAT WE SET STANDARDS ON.

AND MAYBE IF WE HAD A POSITION LIKE THAT, THEY WORKED TOGETHER.

THAT WAY YOU HAVE A HIGHLY QUALIFIED CITIZEN OR TWO WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL.

BUT I DO SUPPORT AS WELL WHAT YOU SAID.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CITIZEN ASPECT TO IT, AND WE NEED TO START REINING IN SOME OF OUR WASTE AND INEFFICIENCY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT EVERYBODY SAID, BUT ONE OF MY THINGS THAT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN THIS WAS WE RECEIVE AN ANNUAL REPORT FROM THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE WE MAKE OUR VOTE.

THAT WAS THE KEY.

BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE I'M NOT THE BEST AT AT FINANCE IN THE WORLD.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD EITHER.

BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE IS WE HAVE 140,000 40,000 PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE US INPUT ON IT.

AND I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT COMES FORWARD, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A VOICE ON IT.

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AND THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR CHANCE TO COME UP AND TALK TO THAT COMMITTEE AND BE PART OF THAT REPORT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN A HIGHLY FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU SIR. SO I'M GOING TO TURN TO MADAM SHERMAN AT THIS TIME.

YOU HAVE ENOUGH INTEL AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'M HEARING.

I'M HEARING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF GIVEN THIS THIS BOARD AUTHORITY THERE SHOULD BE SOME QUALIFYING CRITERIA, WHETHER IT'S A FINANCE BACKGROUND.

I HEARD DEPUTY MAYOR SAY WHETHER IT'S OTHER EXPERTISE IN ACCOUNTING THAT WE COULD HONE IN ON THIS. I ALSO HEARD A SMALL BOARD.

HOW BIG WAS THE THE LAST BOARD.

WHERE DID LARRY GO? OKAY. I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS SEVEN.

IT WAS SEVEN. I THINK THAT'S A SWEET SPOT IN BASEBALL.

I LIKE THE SEVEN I THINK IS A GOOD NUMBER.

SO MAYBE WE SET THAT PARAMETER RIGHT THERE.

THE CRITERIA THEY SHOULD THEY ALL BE PALM BAY RESIDENTS OR CAN THEY BE BREVARD COUNTY RESIDENTS? THAT'S A QUESTION.

THAT'S FOR COUNCIL.

ALL PALM BAY RESIDENTS.

ARE YOU ASKING ME, SIR? YEAH, I WOULD DEFER TO COUNCIL POLICY DIRECTION.

I BELIEVE THE PAST BOARD WAS ALL RESIDENT REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S TYPICAL FOR MOST OF OUR BOARDS.

OKAY. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO ALL PALM BAY RESIDENTS, WHAT WHAT OTHER CRITERIA WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE ON THAT? WELL, FIRST OFF, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.

LOOK, I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE JUST SHOUTED PALM BAY PALM BAY! BUT BUT WE LIVE IN THE CITY.

WE'RE SELFISH. WE WANT WE WANT TO SPEND.

NOT EVERYBODY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE AS A GOVERNMENT WANT TO SPEND MONEY.

PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY WANT THEIR POTHOLES FILLED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO THEY'RE MORE INCLINED TO LEAN TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION.

SO MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HURT TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM MAYBE AT LEAST ONE BOARD MEMBER FROM THE OUTSIDE IN THAT LARGE EXPERTISE AND AT LARGE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT CAN JUST STRICTLY SAY I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT.

BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THIS IS INEFFICIENCY RIGHT HERE.

I THINK THAT CRITERIA MAY MAY BE USEFUL.

RIGHT? MAY BE TO OUR BENEFIT.

AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, IS WE MAY HAVE A VERY TALENTED INDIVIDUAL THAT IS OUTSIDE OUR BORDERS.

OKAY. AS AS AN EXAMPLE DEER RUN IS WITHIN THE COUNTY, BUT IT HAS A PALM BAY ADDRESS.

BUT IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET OF BABCOCK.

CAN THEY SIT ON THE BOARD REALISTICALLY? ARE THEY A PALM BAY RESIDENT THERE? COUNTY RESIDENT.

MALABAR LAKES IS ANOTHER PLACE DOWN THE ROAD.

ARE THEY PALM BAY RESIDENTS? THEY'RE TECHNICALLY BREVARD COUNTY RESIDENTS.

SO THAT THAT I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.

SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH AT LEAST ONE AT LARGE.

I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BELABOR THE POINT.

I'M JUST EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

BUT WHAT OTHER CRITERIA DO YOU THINK, SIR? I WOULD LIMIT IT OR I WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE IT A LIMIT WITH PROPER REQUIREMENTS OF THAT PERSON AT LARGE.

IT CAN'T BE LIKE STEVE THAT LIVES DOWN THE STREET THAT KNOWS ABOUT HOW BAD HIS ROAD IS.

IT HAS TO HAVE PROPER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POSITION.

SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? LIKE PHD IN ACCOUNTING OR A MASTER'S OR I WOULD SAY SOME SORT OF ACCOUNTING BACKGROUND OR FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL.

OR FINANCIAL KNOWLEDGE.

COUNCILMAN. I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN THERE BECAUSE THIS IS COUNCILMAN HAMMERS ITEM.

AND TYPICALLY WHEN A COUNCILMAN WILL BRING AN ITEM FORWARD, THEY WILL WORK WITH STAFF AND THEN GET IT BACK TO US.

SO I FEEL HE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON IT.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN ON HAVING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY HAVING AN INFLUENCE ON THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

I KNOW THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT FOR THE CITY OF MELBOURNE OR OTHER CITIES, SO I JUST WANT US TO BE CAUTIOUS ON THAT ITEM.

OTHER THAN THAT, I'M FOR EVERYTHING IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW.

OKAY. LET ME GET. YEAH, I GOT YOUR TAKE.

LET ME GET DEPUTY MAYOR'S TAKE.

YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS.

I LIKE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCILMAN HAMMER WORKS WITH STAFF TO BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR US TO REVIEW.

YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE AT LARGE? I THINK IF THE AT LARGE IDEA WAS WAS PRETTY INTERESTING BECAUSE AS I'VE BEEN EXPLORING REPLACING PEOPLE ON P AND Z, IT'S BEEN VERY CHALLENGING TO FIND SOMEONE WITH THAT SKILL SET THAT'S COME FORTH.

IT MAY BE IF THERE'S THE THE OUTLINE OF PALM BAY, AND THERE'S THOSE COUNTY POCKETS THAT HAPPEN TO BE WITHIN THE OUTLINE OF PALM BAY MAYBE, MAYBE THOSE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF THE CITY MAP.

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OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE MALABAR LAKES.

THAT WAS A GOOD I LIKED THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO IS THAT IS THAT CLEAR, MA'AM? YES, SIR. WE'LL WORK WITH COUNCILMAN.

OKAY, SO, COUNCILMAN HAMMER, YOU'VE BEEN DULY DUBBED THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE GURU.

SOUNDS GOOD. OUTSTANDING.

AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

WE DON'T NEED A MOTION ON THIS JUST YET, DO WE, MA'AM? OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE NOW ON COUNCIL REPORTS, AND I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAVE TWO COUNCIL REPORTS.

ALL RIGHT. FIRST REPORT.

I WANT TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, CHIEF ANGELO.

HE DID A PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY.

IT WAS A IT WAS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE.

AND YOU CAN YELL AT ME FROM OVER THERE IF I GET IT WRONG.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE HAD TWO RESIDENTS PASS AWAY FROM A FENTANYL OVERDOSE, AND.

AND STATE LAW NOW ALLOWS US TO PROSECUTE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE A DEALER OR WHATEVER, WHOEVER THEY GOT THEIR FENTANYL FROM FOR MURDER.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD KNOW AT THIS POINT, WHAT FENTANYL DOES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

ET CETERA. THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT DEALT THE FENTANYL WAS INDICTED AND AND OUR PALM BAY POLICE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB TAKING CARE OF THAT.

BUT THEN WE DID A PRESS RELEASE TODAY BECAUSE CHIEF WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IN THIS CITY THAT THIS IS NOT A SAFE PLACE TO DO THAT.

I WANT TO READ A QUOTE FROM THAT PRESS RELEASE.

IF YOU ARE POISONING OUR COMMUNITY WITH YOUR GREED AND DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE, KNOW THIS THERE IS NO SAFE HAVEN FOR YOU IN PALM BAY.

WE WILL PURSUE YOU.

WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE DEVASTATION YOU BRING TO OUR FAMILIES AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

LET THAT BE A WARNING TO ANYONE WHO WOULD COMMIT CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND PREY ON THE WEAK IN THIS COMMUNITY.

OUR PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND IF YOU RESIST, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PRETTY DAY.

AND THE COUNCIL UP HERE, I BELIEVE I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT FOR MYSELF, I SUPPORT THAT 100% AND I'M PROUD OF THE JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT AS MY FIRST COUNCIL REPORT.

ALL RIGHT. NUMBER TWO.

OH. HOLD ON.

HERE WE GO. BEAR WITH ME.

THOMAS JEFFERSON WROTE IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

THAT TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTED AMONG MEN, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, THAT WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVERNMENT, LAYING ITS FOUNDATION ON SUCH PRINCIPLES AND ORGANIZING ITS POWERS IN SUCH FORM AS TO THEM SHALL SEEM MOST LIKELY TO EFFECT THEIR SAFETY AND HAPPINESS.

CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.

TWO WEEKS AGO WE WITNESSED A REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY.

IT WAS WON WITH BALLOTS INSTEAD OF BULLETS, WHICH IS A TESTAMENT TO THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT INITIALLY ESTABLISHED BY MR. JEFFERSON. BUT IT WAS NOT ANY LESS SIGNIFICANT THAN THE REVOLUTION, INSOFAR AS THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE DIVINE NATURE OF ITS ULTIMATE SUCCESS.

THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT NATION SHOUTED OUT IN AN OVERWHELMING VOICE THAT THEY ARE FED UP WITH BLOATED GOVERNMENT INEFFICIENCY, STAGNATED ECONOMY AND THEIR TAX DOLLARS SEEMINGLY GOING TO EVERYTHING EXCEPT THOSE PROJECTS AND SERVICES MOST SOUGHT BY THE TAXPAYERS.

HERE TOO, IN THIS CITY, WE SAW THE RESULT OF A REFERENDUM, A CITIZEN'S INITIATIVE AGAINST WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS BELIEVE IS A CITY IN DECLINE, A CITY ADRIFT WITH NO PLAN TO MEET ITS MASSIVE GROWTH, TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS FROM VIOLENCE OR TO USHER IN AN ERA OF PROSPERITY. THE NEW MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL WOULD PROVE ARROGANT INDEED, IF WE BELIEVED THAT OUR ASCENDANCY TO THIS DAIS ALONE WAS ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE CALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO PUT US HERE WITHOUT ANY SWEEPING CHANGES OR SEEMINGLY CONTROVERSIAL POLICY DECISIONS.

JEFFERSON WENT ON TO SAY, BUT WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS, PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT, EVINCES A DESIGN TO REDUCE THEM UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, AND TO PROVIDE NEW GUARDS FOR THEIR FUTURE SECURITY.

HERE IN THIS CITY, A LONG TRAIN OF NEGLIGENCE AND GOVERNMENT INEFFICIENCY HAS LED TO THE LOWEST MORALE I HAVE EVER SEEN FROM A LOCAL COMMUNITY.

IN NO OTHER RACE IN BREVARD COUNTY THIS YEAR DID AN INCUMBENT EVEN COME CLOSE TO LOSING THEIR SEAT, EXCEPT HERE IN PALM BAY.

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SUCH HAS BEEN THE PATIENT SUFFERANCE OF THESE RESIDENTS, AND SUCH IS NOW THE NECESSITY WHICH CONSTRAINS THEM TO ALTER THEIR CURRENT GOVERNMENT.

THE HISTORY OF THIS CITY IS ONE OF REPEATED INJURIES AND INCOMPETENCE AGAINST HIS RESIDENTS.

MANY OF YOU KNOW, I SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY.

WHEN A UNITED STATES NAVY WARSHIP RUNS AGROUND FOR ANY REASON, THE COMMANDING OFFICER IS RELIEVED OF THEIR COMMAND.

SOME OF US ON THIS BOARD ARE BUSINESSMEN.

WHEN A BUSINESS TANKS AND HEMORRHAGES PROFITS, THE CEO IS TYPICALLY RELIEVED CITY GOVERNMENT CAN BE NO DIFFERENT.

TONIGHT'S RESOLUTION IS NOT PERSONAL, BUT IT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT THE FULL INTENT AND RESTORE THE TRUST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, WHO ONCE AGAIN DELIVERED US A CLEAR AND COMPELLING MANDATE ON NOVEMBER 5TH, AND WILL REMEMBER THE VOTE COUNT TONIGHT.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, THE CITY ATTORNEY READ THE RESOLUTION AT HAND.

RESOLUTION 20 2445 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, REMOVING SUZANNE SHERMAN AS CITY MANAGER BY TERMINATING HER EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY WITHOUT CAUSE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S A CHANCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT.

IT'S AN OPEN FLOOR OR WHAT? I MEAN, THIS IS ON THE REPORTS.

THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

RESOLUTIONS DON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA ITEM ON THE AGENDA, SIR.

SO GO AHEAD, MR. BUTCH. WOW.

BUTCH RAN 219 TRENTON AVENUE, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

CAN YOU RECALL THE FIRST NIGHT YOU WERE HERE? WHAT HAPPENED THERE? I'M TOTALLY AGAINST WHATEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO THE CITY MANAGER.

SHE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR AGENDA IS TO GET RID OF HER, BUT YOU HAVE TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT IT IS AND NOT JUST SAY SHE'S GONE.

THANK YOU, MRS. STICE.

ROBERT STEIN, 1796 WINDWARD DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

MY FIRST COMMENT HAS BEEN TO ANALYZE, ASSESS, INVESTIGATE BEFORE YOU TAKE OUT YOUR LIGHTSABER.

YOU WANT TO CHOP OFF HEADS FIRST, AND THEN LET'S SAY LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.

I'VE BEEN IN PROBABLY I'VE HAD FIVE CAREERS.

I'VE BEEN IN TELEPHONY, AT&T MINING.

I RAN A CHORUS CAMP.

ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND I HAVE NO FAVORITES HERE.

OKAY. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, I CALL A SPADE A SPADE.

YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH THAT I'LL SAY WHAT I THINK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE KEEPS EVERYTHING IN HER HEAD AND AND OVERWORKED, INCLUDING THE STAFF IN ALL MY LIFE.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S PREMATURE.

I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE WORD I WANT TO USE.

UNPROFESSIONAL WOULD BE IT.

AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AND ASSESS WHAT SHE'S DONE, WHAT SHE'S BRINGING TO THE TABLE.

BECAUSE CHOPPING ONE HEAD DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

THERE'S ALWAYS EFFICIENCIES TO BE HAD, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN THERE AND OBSERVE AND NOT AND REALLY FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS. I KNOW SOME STAFFS ARE TOTALLY UNDERMANNED, LIKE CODE COMPLIANCE.

HOW DO YOU RUN THE ENTIRE CITY WITH SIX PEOPLE AND CODE COMPLIANCE.

BUT THIS LADY IS THE IS THE GLUE THAT HAS HELD THIS COUNCIL TOGETHER IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

SO I WOULD SAY I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M A HISTORIAN MYSELF, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY PREMATURE.

YOU NEED TO GET DOWN AND DO SOME HARD INVESTIGATING BEFORE YOU START MAKING COMMENTS LIKE THIS AND CALLING FOR THE STAFF TO JUST LET'S WHACK OFF SOMEBODY HERE AND WE'LL BE BETTER FOR IT.

WE'LL PICK UP THE PIECES AND MOVE FORWARD.

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IT'S IMPROPER, IT'S INACCURATE, AND IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL.

THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S THE GREATEST TIMES EVER.

GOT A NEW, NEW COUNCIL, NEW LEADERSHIP.

I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AT THE DICE, AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE COURAGE AND THE FORTITUDE TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY. LEADERSHIP, GOOD OR BAD, STARTS AT THE TOP, AND MR. SHERMAN HAS CONTINUED OVER AND OVER TO FAIL TO HOLD HER DEPARTMENT HEADS ACCOUNTABLE.

SHE WAS APPOINTED ON JANUARY 7TH OF 2021, AND AFTER THAT, AS THE ACTING OR JUST PRIOR TO THAT WAS THE ACTING CAPACITY.

I'VE COUNTED. NOT LESS THAN NINE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE RESIGNED IN THE THREE YEARS THAT SHE'S BEEN CITY MANAGER.

PEOPLE QUIT BOSSES.

THEY DON'T QUIT JOBS.

I MET WITH SUZANNE.

I ASKED TO MEET WITH HER ON APRIL THE 18TH TO FILE COMPLAINTS AGAINST MY BOSS, AND INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO MY COMPLAINTS, SHE INVITED MY BOSS. AND I WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CRITICIZED.

AND THAT'S WHY I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND THAT'S WHY I'VE STOOD BEFORE YOU FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS.

I ASKED THAT MY MY COMPLAINTS BE HELD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

I'VE ASKED THIS NOT TO BE IN THE PUBLIC FORUMS, BUT THEY WERE NEVER ADDRESSED.

I CONDUCTED A WHISTLEBLOWER'S COMPLAINT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN, AND HAS YET TO BE ENTERED TO BE CONDUCTED BY FLORIDA OR BY THE ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE 30 DAYS.

I'VE YET TO HAVE THAT YET TO HAVE THAT INVESTIGATION.

AND I WENT TO THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE MY BOSS WAS THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND SHE FAILED TO EVEN SIT DOWN WITH ME, MAN TO MAN, PERSON TO PERSON, WOMAN TO MAN, AND HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH ME.

I SPENT THE NEXT MONTH TRYING TO CONTACT HER WHEN I WAS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND RETALIATED AGAINST, AND SHE FAILED.

SHE FAILED TO MEET WITH ME.

SHE SENT ME ONE LETTER SAYING THAT IT WAS A HARDSHIP FOR MY TO EXTEND MY MEDICAL LEAVE OF ABSENCE, YET MY REPLACEMENT WENT TO QUANTICO FOR THREE MONTHS AND IS CURRENTLY THERE.

SO IT WAS A HARDSHIP TO KEEP ME ON THE BOOKS, BUT IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP TO SEND MY REPLACEMENT AWAY FOR THREE MONTHS.

SO BASICALLY SHE WAS USING MEDICAL SEPARATION AS A FIRING TURN.

SHE HAS FAILED THIS CITY.

SHE HAS FAILED THE.

THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IF YOU COUNT THEM UP, WHICH I DID TODAY.

I COULD COUNT AT LEAST NINE THAT HAVE RESIGNED OR HAVE LEFT DURING HER TENURE.

YOU GUYS ARE MAKING A DECISION.

I HOPE YOU DO HAVE THE COURAGE AND FORTITUDE TO PUT THIS CITY AND ADD NEW LEADERSHIP, AND I HOPE IT STARTS WITH HER TODAY, BUT I DON'T I HOPE IT DOESN'T END THERE.

THANK YOU. MASTER CHIEF.

EXCUSE ME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT DECISION YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, BUT I DO KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS LONG ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WHENEVER YOU CHANGE A PERSON IN LEADERSHIP WITHOUT THE PRIOR PLANNING TO PREVENT PISS POOR PERFORMANCE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO IS GOING TO GO INTO THAT SITE? DOES THE PERSON YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FILLING THAT SITE IF THIS HAPPENS THAT EVEN KNOWS THE CITY OR ARE WE GOING TO DO OUTSIDE? RIGHT? WELL, WE WAIT FOR SIX MONTHS FOR A CITY MANAGER TO COME IN, ONLY TO BE REPLACED THE NEXT TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE, BUT I'M SAYING BEFORE YOU TAKE, TAKE THIS ACTION, LOOK TO SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING, WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THAT REPLACEMENT, OR IS IT GOING TO BE JUST AN INTERIM PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN 6 OR 8 MONTHS AND DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CITY? THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO MANAGING A CITY, AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT.

I'VE GONE THROUGH MANY COMMANDING OFFICERS.

I DIDN'T GET THE CHOICE WHETHER I WAS GOING TO WORK WITH THEM OR NOT, BUT I HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT I SUCCEEDED IN MY MISSION AND IT WASN'T FIRING THE COMMANDING OFFICER. BUT THAT BEING SAID, LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE FROM THE TIME FRAME, FROM ONE PERSON SITTING IN THAT SEAT, WILL THEY KNOW THE CITY? WILL THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON WITH EVERYBODY ELSE THAT THEY'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.

BUT GOOD LUCK, YOU GUYS.

YOU'RE THE NEW COUNCIL.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. HEY, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? NEW RESPECT FOR YOU.

THIS IS ALWAYS A TOUGH THING TO DO.

I WAS IN THE SPORTS, RIGHT? AND SOMETIMES HEAD COACHES GET FIRED FROM WHAT I KNOW.

THIS IS NOT A MAYOR AND CITY.

THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY.

SO MOSTLY ALL OF US COMPLAINING HERE AND COMPLAINING ON THINGS THAT BASICALLY FALL ON HER LAP.

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I AGREE WITH LINGERING ACCOUNTABILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE.

BUT WHEN YOU FIRE A HEAD COACH, YOU GO LOOKING FOR ONE AND SOMETIMES YOU FIND A BETTER ONE? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. COME ON UP, SIR.

LES ROACH, FIVE. SEVEN.

SIX. NACHMAN. I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THE CITY WANTED SOME CHANGE IN HERE.

AND I'M WITH THE COUNCILMEN AND THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN OVER THERE.

I THINK IT'S MAYBE TIME FOR A REPLACEMENT.

I KNOW THIS DECISION PROBABLY DIDN'T COME EASY.

BUT I'M READY TO SEE SOMETHING NEW AROUND HERE.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YOU KNOW, I'M REMINDED FOUR YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN HERE AND.

AND JUST LIKE MASTER CHIEF SAID THE CITY MANAGER IS ACCOUNTABLE TO US FOR US TO COME INTO A LOCATION, A NEW PERMANENT CHANGE OF DUTY STATION AND ISSUE PROS AND CONS WHEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD DIALOG WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR THE ACTUAL.

THERE'S THE ACTUAL CITIZENS AND THE STAFFERS.

THIS IS THIS.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.

THIS DOES NOT PASS THE SMELL TEST.

THIS TAKES ME BACK TO 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO, 2015, 2016, WHENEVER THAT WAS.

AS A CITIZEN OUT THERE, I SAW SOMETHING SIMILAR AND I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT THEN, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T AGREE WITH IT NOW.

THE CITY MANAGER SHOULD BE GIVEN THE AFFORDABILITY TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THOSE MEASURES, THOSE OUTCOME MEASURES, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, FOR SOMEONE TO COME ON HERE AND SAY, OKAY, THE CITY MANAGER'S GOT TO GO WITHOUT EVEN WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WITHOUT EVEN SEEING WHAT SHE'S DONE RIGHT NOW.

CAN WE ALL NEED IMPROVEMENT? I AGREE, IN THE PURSUIT OF FORMING A MORE PERFECT CITY, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS THAT.

BUT TO BE TO COME UP HERE AND SAY, I WANT THE CITY MANAGER GONE, THAT'S NOT WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY, THAT'S NOT WORKING WITH OUR LEADERS.

THAT'S UNJUST.

THAT, THAT TO ME.

AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT PASS THE SMELL TEST.

SOMETHING IS GOING ON.

AND I THINK IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON HOW TO IMPROVE HOW YOU CAN WORK TOWARDS A PERFECT CITY, THEN THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT SHOULD BE MADE.

THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS.

HOW CAN WE IMPROVE.

YOU DO NOT THROW THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER OUT.

CERTAINLY. EVERYONE'S GOT A PASSION TOWARDS THE CITY, BUT I KNOW MANY THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE RIGHT WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

I KNOW THAT SHE'S WORKED HARD ON EVERYONE THAT WAS ON THIS DAIS, GIVING HER DIRECTION TO WORK ON DIFFERENT ISSUES.

WE TELL HER WE WANT MORE COMMERCIAL, WE TELL HER WHAT WE NEED, AND THAT'S THE AVENUE THAT THEY GO DOWN.

THAT'S THE AVENUE THAT SHE DOES.

AND I THINK THERE'S NO ONE MORE WITH A HIGHER LEVEL OF ETHICS OR INTEGRITY THAN OUR CITY MANAGER.

SUZANNE SHERMAN.

I'VE HAD THE HONOR AND PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH HER HAND IN HAND.

I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS CITY FOR 36 YEARS, AND I HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER CITY MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL.

I HAVE EVEN WORKED WITH OTHER CITY MANAGERS THROUGHOUT OUR EIGHTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU BY FAR THERE'S NO ONE MORE PASSIONATE, NO ONE MORE CARING ABOUT OUR CITIZENS, AND NO ONE MORE FOCUSED ON GETTING RESULTS FOR OUR CITIZENS.

I HAVE SEEN THIS CITY MANAGER OPEN DIALOG WITH A MULTITUDE OF CITIZENS HAVE STOOD IN THE GAP AND FOUND RESOLUTIONS WHEN TOTALLY.

I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT NOT BE A RESOLUTION.

BUT SHE FOUND A WAY.

AND I THINK THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COUNCIL SHOULD BE TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THOSE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH.

AS LONG AS WE HAVE DIALOG WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AS LONG AS WE HAVE BRIEFINGS AND WE SHARE THE COMMITMENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN OUR CITY, YOU WILL FIND HER WITH AN OPEN EAR AND SAY, LET'S SET UP THESE GOALS AND LET'S LOOK AT THESE

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GOALS AT THE END.

WHAT OUTCOME MEASURES IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO BRING FORTH? I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD GO.

NOT TO COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THE CITY MANAGER, AND THEN MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER PLAN IN PLACE THAT DOESN'T EVEN APPEAR TO BE OF HIGH LEVEL PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

I WILL SAY THIS.

I WITNESSED THIS BEFORE, AS MASTER CHIEF BATON SAID, AND IT WAS A HORRIBLE DAY IN OUR CITY.

IT WAS A TERRIBLE DAY IN OUR CITY, OUR REPUTATION, AND IT OPENED UP DOORS IN OUR CITY TO GET A BAD REPUTATION.

I DON'T WANT TO BRING ANY OF THAT BACK.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, IF COUNCIL PROVIDES SOME GOALS, SOME OUTCOME MEASURES THAT THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU WANT TO SEE PASSED IN THIS CITY THEN.

AND THOSE GOALS ARE NOT MET, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT TODAY, THAT IS NOT THE STORY.

TODAY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TRYING TO GET RID OF AND PASS A BLAME ON SOMEONE THAT HAS WORKED HARD NOT ONLY FOR OUR CITIZENS, BUT FOR EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS SAT ON THIS DAIS.

IT IS UP TO THIS COUNCIL TO PROVIDE THE DIRECTION TO OUR CITY MANAGER.

SO I AM NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, AND EVEN MORE OVER I'M NOT EVEN IN AGREEMENT WITH JUST THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

IF WE WERE TO LOSE A CITY MANAGER THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS HIGH ON MORALS AND INTEGRITY.

IT IS A SAD DAY RIGHT NOW TO BE DEALING WITH THIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPORTS.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO THROUGH WITH THE RESOLUTION.

I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

COUNCILMAN OR COUNCILMAN? JOHNSON. GO AHEAD.

WELL, I'LL SPEAK BECAUSE IT WAS ALLUDED TO.

YES. ON MY ELECTION NIGHT, IT WAS THROWN ON TO THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY AT THAT TIME.

AND THEN IT HAPPENED PRIOR TO IT AS WELL.

THAT WASN'T THE FIRST. YEAH, A FEW TIMES.

SO I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION FROM FROM FROM COUNCIL.

I HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT MISS SUZANNE SHERMAN.

NOR WILL I EVER.

BUT I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO DISCUSSION, SO.

SO I WOULD DISAGREE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE MAYOR, BECAUSE I BROUGHT THE RESOLUTION UP A SHE SERVES AT THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AND WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEW LEADERSHIP IF WE WANT TO.

FURTHERMORE, WHILE YES, SHE SERVES AT THE COUNCIL AT YOU KNOW, SHE TAKES DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL I HAVE WITNESSED AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS SINCE MY CAMPAIGN STARTED.

AND YOU CAN GO AS FAR BACK AS GIVING TDC MONEY BACK FOR THE CAMPGROUND.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE COUNTY OWING US $6 MILLION, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT IT.

YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW WE'RE OVERFLOW ON EVERYTHING.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CHANGE ORDERS, YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR BUDGET.

YOU CAN LOOK AT PRIORITIZING A OFFICE BUILDING WITH OUR $14 MILLION THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEBT SERVICE FOR FOR FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIREHOUSES ON THE STREET.

AND THERE'S MORE AT A PERSONAL LEVEL, BUT I FEEL LIKE I WANTED TO GIVE.

NOT GO IN TOO MUCH.

AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF SHE WANTS TO GO GET A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY'RE GOING TO WATCH THESE VIDEOS.

SO I WASN'T GOING TO GO INTO EVERYTHING TONIGHT, BUT THERE IS MORE.

SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO DISCUSS.

I WOULD SAY I DO NOT QUESTION MRS. SHERMAN'S HONOR AND INTEGRITY.

HER EFFORT IS THERE AS WELL.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING OUR CAMPAIGN SINCE NOVEMBER AND WE HAVE KNOCKED ON DOORS.

I WILL SAY THEY DID NOT BRING US IN HERE, NOT TO BRING IN DRASTIC CHANGE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE WAS A LOT OF THE INEFFICIENCY THAT HAVE THAT HAVE COME IN FROM THE LEADERS OF THE CITY.

NOW, WHEN YOU BUILD THAT TEAM, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT TEAM AND WHERE SOME ARE DOING ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

SOME ARE NOT.

AND I HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO A LOT OF THESE INABILITIES BEING ENABLED.

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SO I WILL BE I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF A DIRECTION AND HAVING A WORKSHOP OR A DISCUSSION ON A REPLACEMENT.

AND WE COULD IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW THAT.

I'LL GO AHEAD, MAYOR. I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, YOU KNOW, I MANAGE A BUDGET OF $200 MILLION IN EXCESS OF $200 MILLION.

I'VE MANAGED EMPLOYEES IN ALL CAPACITY.

IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK TO BE A BUSINESS OWNER.

YOU KNOW, 2020 COVID REALLY TOOK OFF, AND A LOT OF CRAZY THINGS WERE HAPPENING.

AND THEN AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE BECAME A FREE STATE BASICALLY TO TO OTHER STATES, AND WE JUST HAD EXPLOSIVE GROWTH.

IT'S BEEN UNPRECEDENTED.

I REALLY COMMEND WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE AS A CITY ON BRINGING IN TALENTED PERSONNEL AND YOU KNOW, BEING BEING SOMEONE THAT'S, THAT'S TAKEN OVER BUSINESSES AND PUT INTO LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE I LIKE TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND THAT THAT TAKES TIME BEING ON THE JOB AND LEARNING THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE ANGRY.

I'VE ALSO HEARD FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW THAT ARE POSITIVE.

I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES.

IN THIS SITUATION, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH MY EXPERIENCE AND MY INSTINCT AND NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

AND WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, REITERATE WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE AS A COUNCIL? YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY FORGETS THAT WE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER ARRESTED.

WE HAD ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER ALMOST DIE.

AT ONE TIME THERE WAS ONLY THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE.

SO SHE WASN'T GETTING A FULL DIRECTIVE.

STAFF WASN'T GETTING A FULL DIRECTIVE OF A FULL DIOCESE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.

SO AT THIS TIME, I COULDN'T SUPPORT THAT RESOLUTION.

THANKS. GENTLEMEN, I HAVE TO REITERATE.

GIVE THE CITY MANAGER AN OPPORTUNITY.

GIVE HER SOME GOALS, SET SOME SOME MEASURES.

AND IF IF THOSE GOALS ARE NOT MET, I WILL JOIN YOU.

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE WHEN YOU SET GOALS, YOU MAKE AND MAKE THOSE GOALS.

FOLKS SHOULD BE REWARDED.

YOU KNOW, A LOT WAS SAID IN THAT RESOLUTION.

BUT WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID IS THE FACT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BENEFITED FROM HER LEADERSHIP, NOT ONLY HER LEADERSHIP, BUT HER STAFF ARE LOYAL, AND THAT DOESN'T COME OVERNIGHT.

THERE'S A CULTURE THAT'S BEEN BUILT HERE AND THAT CULTURE HAS BEEN POSITIVE.

IT'S BEEN MOTIVATING.

WE'VE GOT A GREAT POLICE CHIEF.

WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT DIRECTORS THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT LEADERSHIP IS AND THE EPITOME OF LEADERSHIP.

I, I'M ASKING GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY.

TO REALLY BE THE CITY MANAGER, THAT SHE REALLY IS ONE THAT CAN PERFORM AT WHATEVER LEVEL THAT YOU ASK OF HER.

THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, THOSE WERE COUNCIL'S DECISIONS.

THOSE WERE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

SO MADAME SHERMAN, I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN AN AWKWARD POSITION, BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS IN REGARDS TO THIS RESOLUTION AND, AND AND YOUR LEADERSHIP CAPACITY? CERTAINLY, SIR. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

I GUESS IT ALREADY IS AN AWKWARD SITUATION, TO YOUR POINT.

I WOULD ECHO WHAT YOU SAID.

I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO WORK WITH COUNCIL.

NEW COUNCIL? TO WORK THROUGH WHATEVER YOUR PRIORITIES ARE.

YOU'VE STATED THEM VERY CLEARLY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

YOU'VE STATED THEM CLEARLY HERE TONIGHT AGAIN AS WELL AS LAST NIGHT.

THOSE ARE CLEARLY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER.

I BELIEVE WE'VE, TO YOUR POINT, BUILT A REALLY QUALITY TEAM.

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I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE DIRECTORS AND SOME POSITIONS, AND YOU'VE EXPRESSED THOSE TO ME.

SOME OF YOU HAD SOME THINGS WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH.

BUT A LOT OF THIS FOR ME COMES DOWN TO THE CONCEPT OF WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH? AND CERTAINLY MY POSITION AS THE CITY MANAGER, IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMAIN IN THE POSITION, IS TO SET TARGETS FOR YOU AND TO ACHIEVE THOSE THINGS.

CERTAINLY TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I'M RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE MANY THINGS STILL TO DO, MANY THINGS TO DO THAT RELATE TO A FAILURE OF THE CITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO TRULY INVEST IN THINGS LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, TO TRULY PLAN FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY HIGHLIGHTED NOW THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

ROAD WIDENING IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

SO IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD TO WORK ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO START A LOT OF DESIGNS AND PLANS FOR THE THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS.

BUT THOSE THINGS DON'T COME OVERNIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF PLANNING AND FUNDING PUT INTO THOSE THINGS HISTORICALLY.

I'M CONFIDENT IN THE TEAM WE HAVE ASSEMBLED.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME, THAT I COULD DO THAT WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY AS A AS A CORPORATE BODY.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, SIR, JUST TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

MA'AM. YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I HAD TO CALL THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

YEAH, I KNOW WHAT I KNOW THAT.

BUT PART OF THAT IS YOU SECONDED THE MOTION.

YOU SECONDED THE MOTION, AND YOU SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.

AND EVERYBODY HAD PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO WHERE WHERE ARE YOU AT RIGHT NOW? CALL THE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS COMES UP AT A CERTAIN TIME LIKE THAT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I DON'T AGREE.

WE SHOULD GO DOWN THIS PATH.

AND AND I BELIEVE THAT IS PREJUDGING YOU FOLKS THAT ARE COMING ON THIS DAIS.

AND IT ALSO APPEARS THAT IT'S WRONG NOT ONLY FOR OUR CITY, BUT IT SETS A BAD PERCEPTION. YOU MENTIONED PERCEPTION BEFORE, AND THIS IS A BAD PERCEPTION ON ON WHAT IS TRYING TO COME ON OUR DAYS. THIS IS WHAT'S TRYING TO COME AGAINST OUR CITY.

SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY.

NAY. NAY. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN I.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I.

OKAY. UNDER UNDER REPORTS.

WE ARE NOW UNDER MR. HAMMER OR COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

YOUR REPORTS.

ONLY THING I WANT TO DO IS THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT.

WHEN I CAME INTO THIS, EVERYTHING WAS.

I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I HAVE GOTTEN ADVICE FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT OUR CITY.

I'VE GOT A LOT OF ADVICE FROM THE PEOPLE WITHIN OUR CITY, WITHIN OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR ME. WHAT I WILL SAY IS I DO FEEL THINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S A DISSERVICE OF ME TO NOT DO WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ME ASKED ME TO DO. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORTS, SIR? MAYOR JOHNSON COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

TWO THINGS COUNT.

MAYOR MEDINA, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT DAVID CARAFA TO REPRESENT MY SEAT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

AND THE SECOND THING LOOKING AT HOW THINGS PLAYED OUT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR AN ITEM, JUST LIKE HOW WE HAD ITEMS FOR YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS THE MOVEMENT FOR CITY MANAGER.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD LIKE IN THE INTERIM TO APPOINT LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

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THAT WILL BE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY.

I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO, MAYOR. I HAVE A DISCUSSION.

NUMBER ONE DOES.

DOES HE WANT THAT ROLE? IS THAT A QUESTION WE CAN ASK AND HE CAN ANSWER.

IT'S AN OPTION AT THIS POINT.

YOU CAN TALK. YOU CAN TALK TO HIM, DEPUTY MAYOR.

BUT I HAVE UTMOST RESPECT FOR LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI.

OUT OF EVERYBODY OVER THERE.

I KNOW FOR SURE YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE SAW HOW HE CARRIED HIMSELF SPEAKING ON THE PODIUM.

HE'S OPEN MINDED.

HE'S OPEN TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS.

HE'S A MILITARY VETERAN HIMSELF, SO HE UNDERSTANDS THE CORE.

HE UNDERSTANDS THE DISCIPLINE.

HE UNDERSTANDS THE LEADERSHIP.

SO I FEEL HE WOULD BE THE BEST OUT OF EVERYBODY THERE.

WELL, NOT THAT I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT IF THERE'S A BETTER CANDIDATE TO GO ON AND AS OUR STAFF, I WOULD SAY MR. BRIAN ROBINSON WOULD FIT THAT, THAT CATEGORY A LOT BETTER.

I WOULD THAT THAT'S WHO I WOULD GO WITH IF, IF THAT WAS THE CASE.

I'M ALSO LOOKING AT IT FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT AS, AS WELL.

FINANCE DIRECTOR HE WORKED WITH BREVARD COUNTY, HAS A LEFT ON HIS TERMS AND CAME OVER TO PALM BAY.

SO YEAH. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET, I BELIEVE ANGELIQUE IS THE THE NUMBER ONE PERSON OVER THERE.

BUT YOU HAVE A MOTION.

MAYOR, BEFORE MOTION, THERE SHOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENTS ALLOWED.

THEN YOU'LL PULL YOUR SECOND.

YEAH, I'LL PULL MY SECOND, AND I'LL PULL.

I'LL PULL MY MOTION. THANK YOU.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? REGARDING THIS? I SENSE THAT IT'S A SAD DAY, ISN'T IT? I SEE IT.

ABSOLUTELY. YES, IT'S A SAD DAY.

I'M NOT I'M NOT ENTERTAINING A DISCUSSION OF DIALOG AT THIS POINT, SIR.

SEEING NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK.

THEN I MAKE.

OH. OH, OKAY.

COME ON UP, MAN. PADDLE FOR TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE.

I CONGRATULATE YOU GUYS.

I SUPPORTED YOU GUYS, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO WHAT YOU DECIDE TO DO.

THERE ARE MANY COMMENTS BEING MADE AGAINST SUZANNE.

I HEARD THEM ALL AND THERE WERE COMMENTS FOR HER.

I BELIEVE YOU GUYS NEED TO GO BACK AND DECIDE.

TO WORK WITH HER AND SEE IF YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. YOU CALL YOURSELVES CHRISTIANS? IS THIS THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT? AND I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT SOME OF YOU MAY WANT TO TRY TO BRING BACK SOMEBODY THAT WAS WORKING HERE BEFORE.

I HOPE THAT'S NOT TRUE.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. BUTCH.

AROUND 219 TRENTON AVENUE.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOMEBODY IN MIND, PLEASE SHARE IT WITH THE PUBLIC AND QUIT HIDING BEHIND DOORS TO DO STUFF.

MISTER STICE. AND I HAD A FIRE AND HIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY CAREER.

WHERE'S YOUR DOCUMENTATION FOR NONPERFORMANCE? BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME RESIDENTS OUT THERE BITCHING ABOUT SOMETHING.

OKAY, EVERYBODY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BLAME? OKAY. YOU BLAME SOMEBODY LIKE BIDEN.

BUT IT WAS ALL HIS CRONIES WHO REFUSED TO ACT.

IT WAS THE GUY WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE BORDER WHO SAID IT'S SECURE.

WHERE IS YOUR DOCUMENTATION VALID TO VALIDITY TO VALIDATE NONPERFORMANCE.

YOU JUST TALKED TO A FEW RESIDENTS, KNOCKED ON SOME DOORS.

THAT WAS IT. YOU LOOK AT A WORKLOAD, YOU LOOK AT AN ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

DO YOU LOOK AT AN IMPROVEMENT WHICH MAKES MISTAKES? DO YOU? I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS THIS STRICTLY BASED ON IS THIS STRICTLY BASED ON HEARSAY?

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BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE HEADSHOTS.

I HAVE AND I'VE HAD HEADSHOTS AT ME ON FAMILY.

I'VE BEEN RIGHTSIZED AND RE-ENGINEERED.

HAVE YOU? I HEARD YOU SERVED IN OVERSEAS.

HOW LONG WERE YOU IN IRAQ? WAS IT IRAQ? YOU WERE THERE.

WE DON'T JUST. IT WAS TWO MONTHS, RIGHT? WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHERE IS YOUR DOCUMENTATION NOW? WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A STAFF HERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIRE SOMEBODY, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE DOCUMENTATION, DON'T YOU? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE A RIGHT TO WORK STATE, BUT IF I'M SITTING IN THAT CHAIR, SHOW ME WHERE I FELL SHORT.

SHOW ME THE DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THIS IS ON VIDEO AND PEOPLE JUST BELIEVE WHAT THEY HEAR.

YOU NEED TO EVALUATE THIS OR REEVALUATE THIS AND LOOK AT DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THIS IS BOGUS.

ABSOLUTELY. WOULD YOU WANT IT? WOULD YOU WANT THE DOCUMENTATION? WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU DID WRONG AND YOU DIDN'T MEET THE EXPECTATIONS? I'M NOT SEEING IT.

OKAY. IT SHOWS A TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT.

AND I THINK YOU'RE STARTING OFF 20 STEPS BEHIND RATHER THAN MOVING FORWARD TO WHAT YOU SAY YOU WANT TO BE AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

I'VE BEEN MANAGING OVER 35 YEARS.

OKAY, I'M NOT PERFECT, BUT I KNOW WHAT I SEE.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY, I GUESS WE'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION THEN.

SO MY HEART IS BEATING REALLY FAST BECAUSE I TEND NOT TO GET EMOTIONAL, BUT I JUST.

NOTHING AGAINST WHAT YOU GUYS.

YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DECIDED.

BUT SUZANNE IS, LIKE, THE BEST OF US, AND I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE HERE WITHOUT HER LEADERSHIP. I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM HER.

AND I SPEAK FOR A LOT OF US OVER THERE THAT SHE'S AMAZING.

AND NOT ONLY THE INTELLECT, THE COMPASSION.

YOU GUYS MAY KNOW I PLAYED SOME BASEBALL.

I HAVEN'T BEEN UNDER A BETTER LEADERSHIP THAN SUZANNE SHERMAN.

AND I MEAN THAT.

AND YOU'RE A MAJOR LEAGUE BALLPLAYER ONCE UPON A TIME.

BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE DECIDED.

BUT IT WOULDN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU HOW I FELT ABOUT OUR CITY MANAGER.

THIS WOMAN, THIS PERSON.

I'M KIND OF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

THIS ISN'T SCRIPTED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO I JUST I WANTED TO SAY HOW I FELT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR JOB TO THINK ABOUT.

I HAVE A FAMILY. BUT SUZANNE, YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH FOR ME PERSONALLY.

FOR A LOT OF US OVER THERE AND IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE WORKING FOR YOU.

AND I MEAN THAT WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE.

AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS'S CONCERNS.

I JUST AS AN EMPLOYEE, AS A PERSON, I JUST HAD TO LET YOU KNOW.

AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING. EVERYBODY KNOWS MARIO ANGELO, CHIEF OF POLICE, CITY OF PALM BAY.

MA'AM. I APPRECIATE YOU SO.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

A LOT OF THINGS ARE SAID.

I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION AND EVERYBODY'S DECISION.

THE DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.

I'M A SOLDIER. I WILL DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE.

BUT I'M NOT LEAVING UNLESS I SAY THESE WORDS.

THREE YEARS AGO.

ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO, I LOST MY GRANDSON.

THIS WOMAN, MISS SHERMAN, SPOKE WITH ME.

A WOMAN OF FAITH, HONOR AND INTEGRITY.

I WAS GOING TO RETIRE THREE YEARS AGO.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN HER OFFICE THAT I CHOSE TO STAY ON, TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

NOBODY'S PERFECT.

NOBODY IS PERFECT EXCEPT FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST.

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HAVE MISTAKES BEEN MADE BY EVERYBODY? YES. BUT AT THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

IN MY OPINION.

AND I'M GOING TO TAKE IT TO NOT GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO A CITY MANAGER THAT LEADS WITH GRACE, THAT LEADS WITH INTEGRITY AND HONOR, DOES NOT MICROMANAGE, IS OPEN MINDED, ALLOWS YOU TO SPEAK YOUR MIND AT CITY STAFF MEETINGS AND IN ONE ON ONE DIRECTOR MEETINGS TO NOT GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY WITH A FULL DAIS OF COUNCILMEN OR PERSONS.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

WE TALK ABOUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS PRIOR TO THE CITY MANAGER, SUZANNE SHERMAN.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME.

PUBLIC SAFETY, AT LEAST FROM THE POLICE STANDPOINT, WE WERE AS FUNDED AS WE ARE TODAY.

YES, COUNCIL APPROVES THEM, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF HER NEGOTIATIONS AND HER AGREEING TO THE NEEDS AND UNDERSTANDING, TRULY MEETING WITH THOSE MEN AND WOMEN IN BOTH PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITIES TO TRULY FIGURE OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUES WERE.

SHE'S VISITED MY OFFICERS AND HOSPITALS.

SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT THE CITY, HER EMPLOYEES.

I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE PUBLIC SPEAKING.

I THINK THE VOTES HAVE BEEN ARE WE AGAIN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OR AGAINST MRS SHERMAN? OR ARE WE LOOKING TO SPEAK ON THE REPLACEMENT? BECAUSE I THINK IF STAFF WANTED TO, THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK WHEN I AND OTHER CITIZENS DID.

SO I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.

DO I NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER 2.5 MINUTES DEBATING WHY I BELIEVE SHE SHOULD NOT, OR THAT SHE SHOULD BE TERMINATED? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AND I'M NOT INTO THIS IS ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT, NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SHE'S STAYING.

IS THAT IS THAT ACCURATE? WELL, ARE WE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME UP HERE ALL NIGHT LONG? YOU'RE SPEAKING SIR. CARRY ON.

WELL, I'M I'M.

SO THE MOTION WAS WITHDRAWN AND I WAS ASKED FOR TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK PUBLICLY.

SO FOR THE REPLACEMENT.

GO AHEAD. YES, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD VOUCH THAT LARRY IS A GOOD REPLACEMENT IS A GOOD REPLACEMENT.

AND I DO AGREE THAT IT'S TIME FOR NEW LEADERSHIP.

I JUST THINK THAT THAT TIME FOR PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT IS OVER, AND THAT WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT NOW.

THAT'S MY CONTENTION.

EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE OTHER PORTIONS TO SPEAK, WHETHER OR NOT THEY THOUGHT THAT SHE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT REMAIN IN LEADERSHIP.

THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT WHO IS THE INTERIM REPLACEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO HEAR PEOPLE AFTER PEOPLE COMING UP NOW, AFTER THE VOTE HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED AND SAY THEIR FAREWELLS. THEY CAN DO THAT AS SOON AS COUNCIL IS OVER.

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD.

PICK THE REPLACEMENT.

IF LARRY IS WILLING.

I THINK HE'S A GOOD CHOICE.

THAT'S MY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

IF WE WANT TO SIT HERE AND CONTINUALLY DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT SHE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT GO, BUT I THINK THAT VOTE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAD.

I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. GO AHEAD.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND FOR US TO HAVE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION AT THE FIRST MEETING OF DECEMBER ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

I'VE ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING BEFORE, SO I WON'T REPEAT IT, SIR.

YEAH. I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ABOUT CITY MANAGER, I THINK WE SHOULD COME MEET BEFORE DECEMBER.

YOU KNOW, IF I AGREE TO YOU, THEN I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

SO IF SO, I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND SPLIT UP THAT MOTION.

I'LL SPLIT. OKAY, THEN LET'S SPLIT.

LET'S SPLIT IT. SO YOU'LL WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, SO I'M IN MY MOTION.

ONE SECOND. YOU WANT TO COME? OH, YES. LARRY.

COME ON UP. LARRY WANTS TO SPEAK.

LARRY SAYS I NEED TO SPEAK.

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FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO SAY SUZANNE, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU? I DO NOT AGREE WITH NEVER WILL.

I'VE ALWAYS LOVED WORKING WITH YOU.

ALWAYS WILL.

YOU GAVE ME A CHANCE WHEN I CAME HERE THAT I WASN'T QUALIFIED FOR.

HONESTLY, I DIDN'T FEEL IT IN MY HEART, I WAS.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO SAY PUBLICLY, IF I CAN DO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO DECLINE IF POSSIBLE.

MAY I ASK WHY, SIR QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION? OKAY. I CAN'T HONESTLY SIT THERE AND DO THE JOB, I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW FINANCE, THAT'S ALL I KNOW.

I CANNOT DO WHAT SHE DOES.

SO I, I THANK YOU FOR THE TO SAY WHAT YOU DID.

I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I CANNOT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HONESTY.

A LOT OF COURAGE. SO CAN I.

MR. ROBINSON, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO BE AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR US AS AN INTERIM BASIS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A VERY TOUGH DECISION.

I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THIS TONIGHT.

CERTAINLY SADDENED BY WHAT HAPPENED.

I MISS SHERMAN.

MR. ROBINSON, SIR.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THE CHARACTER AND THE FORTITUDE TO ACT AS CITY MANAGER OF OUR CITY ON AN INTERIM BASIS.

I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT.

I ADMIRE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND I WOULD WELCOME YOU.

AND I BELIEVE MADAM SHERMAN WOULD AGREE.

YOUR LEADERSHIP CHARACTERISTICS ARE INTACT.

SO I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT YOU COMING IN AS CITY MANAGER ON AN INTERIM BASIS, SIR.

AND I BELIEVE YOUR CITY NEEDS YOU.

AND I WOULD SECOND THAT.

WELL, I HAVEN'T I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION.

I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION.

YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION, THOUGH, BUT I WOULD I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO TO CONSIDER.

COMING THROUGH FOR YOUR CITY AT THIS TIME.

IT WOULD BE JUST ON AN INTERIM BASIS.

WE ARE COMING.

IT'S JUST ON AN INTERIM BASIS, SIR.

AND WE'LL BE MAKING A DECISION ON WHEN WE'RE GOING TO MEET FOR OUR NEW CITY MANAGER.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER SO THAT COUNCIL CAN MAKE THAT MOTION.

MA'AM BELIEVES IN YOU. WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO TO THINK THIS THROUGH.

THE CITY NEEDS YOU, SIR.

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YES. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? IS THERE ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT YOU.

SIR. I'M ASKING.

THERE WAS ANOTHER CANDIDATE.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN OF INTEGRITY.

YOU'RE A MAN OF LEADERSHIP CAPACITY.

AND A MAN THAT EVERYONE OUT AS IN, AS DIRECTORS WOULD RESPECT.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO FILL THAT GAP, AND COUNCIL WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.

MAYOR, DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE A COMMENT? YES. YES, SIR.

I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE DIRECTORS, EXCEPT.

EXCEPT FOR ONE. AND I AND I SAW WHAT HE DID WITH TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

AND I SEE HOW HE LEADS AND HIS PROCESSES.

AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE VALENTINA PEREZ.

VALENTINO JUST SAID NO, SIR.

I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY DECLINE.

OKAY. OKAY.

VALENTINO. YOU'RE NEXT.

TO ME. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

SUZANNE. RESPECTFULLY, AS I SHAKE MY HEAD, MAYOR, I WILL BE DECLINING.

MR. JAFFE, THE THE OPPORTUNITY SUZANNE WISH YOU NOTHING BUT THE BEST.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE THE BOSSES.

SO WHOEVER WE APPOINT IS WHO WE APPOINT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO. AND IT'S IN THE INTERIM.

SO BUT I DON'T I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND, DOCTOR ROBINSON.

I UNDERSTAND, MR. PEREZ. I UNDERSTAND, MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI, I UNDERSTAND, I TRULY DO.

BUT WE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN HOUR BEFORE.

OKAY. WE HAVE TO.

ALL RIGHT. THAT THAT POINT TAKEN.

SO LET'S LET'S APPOINT SOMEONE AND AND DO IT.

SO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION, SIR.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU MAKE THAT MOTION.

I DON'T HAVE THE MOTION. THIS IS CHANDLER.

NO, NO. ALL RIGHT.

YOU OKAY? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT OUR ART DIRECTOR TO BE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS, MOST LIKELY.

OR ELSE OR TWO. I'LL SECOND IT.

SO, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

ANY. OPPOSE. NAY, NAY.

PASSES 4 TO 1.

YOU ARE THE INTERIM DIRECTOR, MR. ROBINSON. SO? SO, I GUESS THE SECOND PORTION, MAYOR IS A DATE WE CAN'T DO NEXT THURSDAY, BECAUSE THAT'S THANKSGIVING.

THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THE FIRST MEETING OF DECEMBER, WHICH IS DECEMBER 5TH.

BUT I'M FINE IF WE WANT TO.

I GUESS WE CAN JUST DO IT NEXT WEEK, BUT.

SURE, WHY CAN'T WE? WELL, WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE IT, MADAM, I'M ADAM LOEFFLER.

I'LL MAKE TIME WHENEVER.

YEAH. MADAM LOEFFLER.

YEAH. YOU'LL BE ANNOUNCING IT AT TONIGHT'S MEETING, SO WE COULD.

SO HOW DOES WHAT'S THE EARLIEST WE CAN.

WE CAN. CAN WE DO THIS FOR MONDAY? MONDAY EVENING.

AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. MONDAY IS THE ONLY NIGHT I'M AVAILABLE.

I'M OUT OF TOWN THE REST OF THE WEEK.

OKAY, MONDAY SOUNDS GOOD.

EVERYONE'S GOOD.

CAN WE DO? I'M GOOD.

IT IS OPEN. THE CHAMBERS IS OPEN, SO WE'RE ALL GOOD.

SO MONDAY AT 1800 HOURS, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE DIRECTION FOR OUR NEW CITY MANAGER.

OKAY. SO THAT'S NOW MR. JOHNSON. YOU HAVE REPORTS, NOT THE REPORT.

DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE REPORTS.

NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME.

WELL, I'VE GOT SEVERAL REPORTS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST I'M DISAPPOINTED IN IN THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNCIL.

I'M GOING TO REPORT THAT I THINK THAT MADAM SHERMAN SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE RUNNING TO BE OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER.

I THINK SHE LED AS INTEGRITY AS MOST OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE FOSTERED RELATIONSHIPS THAT HAVE BEEN LED BY SOMEONE THAT HAS FOLLOWED THE DIRECTIONS OF OUR COUNSEL.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO REPORT IS THE MAYOR'S BALL.

SO THE MAYOR'S BALL THIS YEAR, THE BENEFICIARY.

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AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEVERAL CONTACTS, COMMUNITY FOLKS THAT REACH OUT TO ME, AND THERE'S A HUGE SPECIAL NEEDS COMMUNITY CHILDREN WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

AUTISM. AUTISM IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THE SELECTION FOR THE MAYOR'S BALL BENEFICIARY THIS YEAR WILL BE SPACE GHOST DISCOVERY.

CURRENTLY, THIS UNIQUE SCHOOL HAS 49% OF ITS STUDENTS WHO LIVE IN PALM BAY.

AND 51 OF ITS EMPLOYEES LIVE HERE IN PALM BAY.

BUT WHAT THEY ARE IS THAT THEY PROVIDE CHILD CENTERED CURRICULUM TO CLASSROOMS TO FOCUS ON SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL AND EDUCATIONAL NEEDS.

FOR GIFTED, SPECIAL NEEDS AND AUTISTIC CHILDREN.

SO I HOPE COUNCIL JOINS ME IN.

FUNDRAISING FOR SPACE COAST DISCOVERY.

YEARS AGO IT WENT BY A DIFFERENT NAME.

AND THE FORMER RED SOX PITCHER TIM WAKEFIELD WOULD DO FUNDRAISERS FOR THEM.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW TIM WAKEFIELD HAS PASSED ON AND SO, SO DID HIS WIFE.

SO WE COULD DEFINITELY FILL IN THAT GAP AND HELP OUT OUR SPECIAL NEEDS POPULATION.

THEN SECONDLY, I, YOU KNOW, YOU ELOQUENTLY PUT IT ON, YOU MOTIVATED ME WITH WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF, MARIO ANGELO, SAID.

YOU CAN'T HIDE.

DON'T COME OUT AND TRY TO PEDDLE FENTANYL IN OUR CITY BECAUSE WE'RE COMING AFTER YOU, RIGHT? WHAT A RELENTLESS INVESTIGATION.

SO MANY YEARS PUTTING PIECES TOGETHER TO GET AN INDICTMENT.

I GIVE KUDOS TO THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I GIVE KUDOS TO OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, THEIR LEADERSHIP.

AND AGAIN, AS HE REITERATED, THAT LEADERSHIP WAS ALSO LED BY MADAM SHERMAN.

SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANTED TO INCLUDE DETECTIVE CARLOS SANCHEZ, ONE OF THE TIPS OF THE SPEAR THAT THAT WAS RELENTLESS. AND OFFICER TONY WILLIAMS, MAN, THAT IS A DYNAMIC DUOS, GUYS, CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR PICKING UP THAT SPEAR.

AND KEEP MOVING THE BALL FORWARD AND GATHERING ALL THOSE PIECES TO GET THIS INDICTMENT.

THAT'S A BIG HURRAH FOR BOTH OF YOUSE.

THEN I WANTED TO JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GIVING BACK THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER TO THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

YEARS AGO, THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE MEETINGS AT 7:00 AT NIGHT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD COME HERE BECAUSE THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO GET OFF OF WORK AND COME.

THEY'D GO HOME, HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT.

SO I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER BRINGING BACK THAT 7:00 DEADLINE.

JUST SOMETHING FOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

AND THEN ALSO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE COUNCIL CONSIDER.

MAKING POLICY FOR US TO TAKE VOLUNTEER DRUG TESTING RIGHT HERE.

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.

I TRIED TO DO THAT BEFORE.

I'M HOPING THAT THIS COUNCIL SAYS YES.

I'LL VOLUNTARILY GO TAKE A DRUG TEST.

I'M MANDATING IT FOR MY FIRST RESPONDERS.

I'M MANDATING IT FOR OTHERS.

BUT FOR US AFTER A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN'T MANDATE IT TO OURSELVES.

BUT WE COULD VOLUNTARILY SAY, OKAY, I'M GOING TO SET IT UP.

I'M GOING TO GO TAKE A URINALYSIS AND I'M GOING TO POST IT UP, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE IT PUBLIC.

SO I WISH FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT.

SO THOSE TWO ITEMS I'D LIKE TO BRING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY AND I'LL, I'LL GET A CONSENSUS SO THAT WE CAN START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION IF YOU GUYS ARE FINE WITH IT.

OKAY. I GOT A YES FROM DEPUTY MAYOR.

I GOT A YES.

I GOT TWO OTHER YESES.

SO CONSENSUS WISE, I'M GOOD WITH THE DRUG, BUT FOR THE FOR THE OTHER ONE, WE TALK ABOUT STAFF, WE TALK ABOUT MORALE.

THE WHOLE POINT OF MOVING IT TO SIX WAS SO WE WEREN'T HERE SO LATE.

AND STAFF IS HERE FROM 9 TO 5, SOMETIMES 8 TO 5.

SO WE'RE TELLING THEM TO STAY AN EXTRA TWO HOURS WHEN THEY COULD JUST GET RIGHT HERE, GET THEIR FOOD, COME RIGHT HERE, GO INTO THE MEETING, GO HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES AND BE DONE.

TOTALLY. SO I FELT LIKE 6 P.M.

WAS EFFICIENT.

THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY I MOVED IT.

SO. YEAH, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE YOU PUT US 11:00, SO NOW WE COULD DO 7 TO 11.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ISSUE LIKE, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN SMOOTH.

WE'VE BEEN ON IT. YOU KNOW, I GET THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SHARE THE CHALLENGES.

JUST LIKE I THINK IT WAS TRUDY EDC.

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I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN YOU.

I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN YOU, MA'AM.

IT WAS A NIGHTMARE FOR HER TO GET HERE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I'VE ALWAYS SAID.

AND I GOT HERE.

I ALWAYS TRY TO GET HERE AT 1730, 1745.

BUT WE'RE TRAVELING FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE, AND IT IT IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET HERE AT 1800 HOURS.

I'VE BEEN FAITHFUL IN THAT.

BUT IT I'M AN ACCIDENT AWAY FROM NOT MAKING IT HERE AT 1800 HOURS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, IF COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT WE COULD DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER TIME AS WELL.

WE GOT VOLUNTEERS HERE.

VOLUNTEER DRUG TESTING.

I'M. I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

AND SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORTS.

AND NOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO SINCE WE MISSED THE PRESENTATION FROM THE EDC EARLIER, I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE HER AND HAVE HER COME UP TO DO THAT PRESENTATION. OKAY.

MAYOR. MAYOR.

YES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE MEETING FOR MONDAY.

DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE A WORKSHOP FOR DISCUSSION, OR DO YOU WANT A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING SO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN? I BELIEVE SO.

ACTUALLY WE COULD. ONE MAN ACTION CAN BE TAKEN IF IT'S A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IT CAN ONLY BE DISCUSSION IF IT'S A WORKSHOP.

I WAS THINKING DISCUSSION, SIR.

SO WE'LL DO THE WORKSHOP.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, MA'AM.

MAYOR COUNCILMAN.

IN RESPECT OF YOUR TIME AND THE FACT THAT I WAS LATE, I WOULD LIKE TO RESCHEDULE MY PRESENTATION FOR A LATER DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AT THIS POINT, I GOT ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS AND ANYTHING TO REPORT, MR. ROBINSON? YOU'RE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AT THIS TIME? NOTHING AT THIS TIME, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH.

ANYTHING TO REPORT? NO, SIR.

OKAY, WE'RE NOW GOING ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.

DO YOU HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR? I HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

FIRST SPEAKER IS LANCE FISHER.

I'LL CALL. I'LL CALL UP AFTER, MA'AM.

I'LL CALL. I CALL.

AGAIN. LANCE FISHER, DEPUTY CHIEF PALM BAY POLICE RETIRED.

130 MALABAR ROAD.

APPRECIATE THE COURAGE TODAY.

LET'S NOT STOP THERE.

SO I'VE STOOD BEFORE COUNCIL MANY TIMES.

I'VE OFFERED TO SPEAK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THAT WAS DENIED.

SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT I HAVE TO STAND UP HERE AND STAND FOR THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED BY A FEW OF OUR OFFICERS, VICTIMIZED BECAUSE OF A CULTURE THAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY A CHIEF AND THAT HAS OPENLY SAID, I WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MY FAMILY.

BLUE AND BLOOD.

THAT STATEMENT SHOULD BE CONCERNING TO EVERY CITIZEN OF PALM BAY THE WORD ANYTHING.

ANYTHING IMPLIES THAT THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS OR WHAT CAN BE CHOSEN.

NO LIMIT, NO LIMITATIONS, LIES, COVER UPS, PROTECTION, HIDING THINGS.

YOU DECIDE WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE BECAUSE THE CHIEF CERTAINLY HAS.

IT SHOULD. EVEN MORE CONCERNING THAT THE FOP LAWYER STOOD BEFORE COUNCIL TO DEFEND THE CHIEF.

THE FOP ATTORNEY IS IS TO PROTECT THE OFFICERS, WHETHER THEY ARE RIGHT OR WRONG.

THE CHIEF'S OBLIGATION IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.

IT'S EVEN IF IT'S FROM THE OFFICERS THAT COMMIT WRONGDOINGS.

THE FOP LAWYER PREVIOUSLY REPRESENTED THE CHIEF ON PERSONAL MATTERS, CAUSING A DIRECT CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN HE STANDS BEFORE COUNCIL TO DEFEND THE CHIEF AGAIN, THE WORDS I WILL DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT MY FAMILY, ANYTHING IS PROTECTING OFFICERS WHEN THEY TASE CITIZENS OFF OF MOTORCYCLES, WHEN THEY STAY CITIZENS OFF OF FENCES, WHEN THEY USE RACIAL SLURS IN SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, WHEN THEY PROTECT OFFICERS THAT BLOW A ONE OVER 7 OR 1 SEVEN THREE WHILE BEING PULLED OVER BECAUSE THEY'RE RIDING ON THE RIMS AND SHOWERING THE ROADWAY WITH SPARKS.

ANYTHING IS PROTECTING SWAT MEMBERS WHEN THEY CALL TRAINEES WINDOW LICKERS.

WHEN THEY ALLOW SWAT TEAM MEMBERS TO SEND FUCK YOU MESSAGES TO CITIZENS AND HARASS WIVES ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

ANYTHING MEANS TO PROTECT SWAT SERGEANTS WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR COMPUTERS AT THE STATION, TURN OFF THEIR GPS, AND GO VISIT A FEMALE OFFICER'S HOME WHILE ON DUTY.

ANYTHING MEANS COERCING OFFICERS TO MAKE STATEMENTS THAT ARE CONTRARY TO EVIDENCE IN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.

ANYTHING IS STANDING BEFORE COUNCIL AND LYING ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE PAPERWORK THAT WAS COMPLETED INCORRECTLY.

WHEN I STAND BEFORE YOU.

I STAND WITH FACTS.

I HAVE COMPILED ALMOST $500 IN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS.

I DON'T WALK UP TO THE PODIUM LIKE COMMANDER LA TULIPE DID LAST COUNCIL, AND MAKE UP ANSWERS ON THE FLY THAT CONTRADICT POLICY.

EVERYTHING I TELL YOU IS IN BLACK AND WHITE.

I DO MY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS.

THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HIRE AN OUTSIDE CHIEF THAT WILL THAT WILL BRING IN AN OUTSIDE COMMAND STAFF.

THREE OF HIS COMMAND STAFF ARE ON PROBATION, WHICH MEANS WITH THE STROKE OF A PEN, THEIR SERVICES CAN ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.

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WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

FOR OFFICERS ON PROBATION.

THE CITY IS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO GIVE THEM A REASON FOR THEIR DEPARTURE.

ONE POSITION IS VACANT AND SHOULD REMAIN OPEN UNTIL A NEW CHIEF CAN BE HIRED.

THE LAST COMMANDER AND THE CHIEF ARE IN THE DROP AND ARE AT WILL EMPLOYEES.

DRASTIC CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO THE PALM BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD AND AWAY FROM THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM.

EVERY OFFICER SO THAT EVERY OFFICER CAN THRIVE, NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE LOYAL TO THE CHIEF.

NEXT SPEAKER. LAST SPEAKER CARD IS BUTCH AND.

BUTCH. 219 TRENTON AVENUE.

BIG THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR AND MISS SHERMAN FOR GETTING THE LIVE WIRE PICKED UP.

THE THE COMPLICATIONS COME IN WITH THE ADDRESS WAS PRESENTED TO FPNL MISSPELLING FOR TRENTON.

SO THEY HAD A LITTLE PROBLEM FINDING WHERE IT WAS AT.

BUT I FINALLY GOT AHOLD OF THE YOUNG LADY THAT YOU SPOKE TO.

I LEFT HER A MESSAGE. THEY COME OUT AND FIXED IT.

THEY GOT THE WIRE UP, BUT THEY DIDN'T CONNECT THE STREET LIGHT.

AND I THINK IT'S A CITY OWNED STREETLIGHT.

FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, I'M NOT SURE.

SO THEY NEED TO COME OUT AND HOOK UP THE STREET LIGHT IF POSSIBLE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ADDRESS THAT TO.

YEAH. SEND IT TO ME, SIR.

OKAY. WITH THE CORRECT SPELLING.

YES. AND AND I'LL, I'LL FORWARD IT ON TO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING.

DID I HEAR SOMETHING UP HERE? I WASN'T LISTENING A WHOLE LOT.

RENTAL PROPERTY GETS A HOMESTEAD.

DID I HEAR THAT? HOMESTEAD? NO, NO NO, NO.

OKAY. THANKS.

YOU GUYS HAVE SHOWED YOU GOT COURAGE HERE, RIGHT? I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT YOU SHOWED IT.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON NEW BUILDING AND QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT AND DO IT? YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S GET IT DONE.

THE MAYOR JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU IT TAKES AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET ANYWHERE IN THIS FRICKIN CITY.

I HAD AN 8:00 APPOINTMENT IN MELBOURNE.

I LEFT MY HOUSE AT 715.

I GOT TO THE APPOINTMENT AT 815.

GRANTED, I HAD TO GO THROUGH MELBOURNE, BUT GUESS WHAT? I GOT TO MELBOURNE. STRAIGHT SHOT GETTING OUT OF PALM BAY.

TERRIBLE. GO TO ANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS MINTON AND JUPITER, SAN FILIPPO AND MALABAR ROAD.

BABCOCK. TRY TO GO SOUTH ON BABCOCK AFTER WORK HOURS.

CAN'T DO IT. AS A PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNER.

I DON'T NEED TO GET A PERMIT TO CLEAR MY LAND.

IS THAT CORRECT? ACCORDING TO THE CITY ORDINANCE.

RIGHT. I CAN JUST CLEAR IT OUT.

YOU CAN'T LOOK AT HER ANYMORE.

YOU GOTTA LOOK AT. OKAY? I'M LOOKING AT YOU.

OKAY. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. I'LL HAVE TO ASK STAFF, BUT.

OKAY. PAST THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

A TREE CLEARED ORDINANCE.

THEY HAVEN'T STATED WHAT THE FEES OR THE RULES ARE YET, BUT THAT ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PASSED.

BUT IT HASN'T BEEN PUT IN PLACE YET.

OKAY, SO CARRY ON.

WELL, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

IF A PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO GET ONE, WHY WOULDN'T THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO GET ONE WHEN THEY COME INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND CLEAR A LOT? OR THEY HAVE, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO GET A PERMIT? THEY'RE IN VIOLATION NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CLEARING THE LAND FOR TURTLES AND SQUIRRELS, SCRUB JAYS, WHATEVER THE HELL IS OUT THERE.

THEY'RE NOT CLEARING IT.

BUT NO ONE ENFORCES IT.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

THANKS. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. I DIDN'T FORGET YOU.

NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I AM SORRY FOR MY APPEARANCE.

I WASN'T COMING TONIGHT, BUT WHEN I HEARD THE NEWS ABOUT SUZANNE, I WAS COMPELLED TO COME OVER HERE TODAY.

MY NAME IS SANDRA WRIGHT.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND UNITED COALITION COUNCIL.

WE'RE TWO NONPROFITS IN PALM BAY THAT WORK EXTENSIVELY WITH OUR PALM BAY FAMILIES AND OSCEOLA AND ORANGE COUNTY.

I'M HERE TODAY.

I KNOW YOU'VE MADE YOUR DECISION, BUT I RUN MY CORPORATIONS JUST LIKE I RUN MY LIFE IN ORDER.

THE WAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE IS THE SAME THING THAT WAS DONE TO LISA, AND IT'S INAPPROPRIATE.

YOU NEED TO RUN THIS COUNCIL LIKE A BUSINESS FOR A CITY TO PROSPER AND GO FORWARD.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT SUZANNE HERE, THEN YOU DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY.

YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN PLACE BEFORE YOU FIRE HER.

I REALLY SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUS AND NOT HIRE SOMEBODY WITHIN HER DEPARTMENT.

LAST WEEK I WENT IN FRONT OF THE RECREATION BOARD AND I PRESENTED MY PLANS ON WHAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR FOR POPPY PARK.

AND I WAS DISRESPECTED BY MISS MOSCONI.

AND SHE'S SMILING THERE.

OKAY. SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE DID NOT NEED TO CALL ME BACK AND RETURN MY CALLS.

SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS A VERY BUSY WOMAN AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR ME.

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I TEXTED SUZANNE AT THAT TIME, AND I TEXTED MR. JOHNSON BECAUSE I WAS APPALLED BECAUSE NOT ONLY AM I A TAXPAYER, BUT I BRING BUSINESS TO PALM BAY.

AND EVEN THOUGH MAYOR, YOU AND I SOMETIMES DON'T DON'T DON'T GET ALONG, I STILL TRIED TO RESPECT YOU AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN MY CAPACITY, BUT I FELT REALLY DISRESPECTED BY HER.

I CALLED SUZANNE SUZANNE CALLED ME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND SHE CALLED TO APOLOGIZE TO ME.

AND WHEN I ASKED HER TO GO IN FRONT OF THAT BOARD AND APOLOGIZE TO ME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT YOU DON'T TREAT A HISPANIC WOMAN THE WAY I WAS TREATED BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY, ERIC, MADE A SLUR ABOUT HISPANICS AS WELL, SAYING, I DON'T LIKE GOING TO PLACES WHERE SPANISH IS NOT SPOKEN. SO I'M VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE PATH THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE.

AND I'M REALLY SORRY THAT IT WAS DONE IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS DONE, BECAUSE THAT'S GRANTED, WE DON'T WANT SUZANNE, OKAY? WE DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.

WE FIND A REPLACEMENT, DO JOB INTERVIEWS, AND THEN YOU LET HER GO.

THIS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE? I'M SORRY. SUZANNE.

BECAUSE TO GO THROUGH THIS, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR ME AND FOR YOU.

I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.

YOU'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING REALLY, THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AGAINST EACH OTHER.

FROM DAY ONE THAT YOU CAME HERE, I SAID THAT YOU WERE NOT THE PERSON FOR THIS POSITION, IF YOU REMEMBER, BECAUSE I DIDN'T AGREE.

THE WAY LISA WAS LET GO.

AND LOYALTY IS IMPORTANT, IT'S ABOVE ALL, AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE TRUST OF OUR EMPLOYEES IF YOU DO THIS KIND OF SPECTACLE.

SO PLEASE RUN OUR CITY LIKE A BUSINESS AND LET'S DO THIS APPROPRIATELY SO IN THE FUTURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.

I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.

GOD BLESS YOU. AND I KNOW GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER FOR YOU AND IT'S GOING TO OPEN THOSE DOORS.

PLEASE DO NOT PUT THIS LADY AS OUR NEXT MANAGER.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? STEP FORWARD, MASTER CHIEF.