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GOOD EVENING. I CALL TO ORDER. REGULAR MEETING 2020 502 OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
[CALL TO ORDER:]
LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. MR. WARNER, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? YES, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES, MISTER.
GOOD PRESENT. MISS JORDAN HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
MISTER KARAFFA. PRESENT. MR. MCLEOD. PRESENT.
MISTER OLSZEWSKI. PRESENT. MISTER WARNER. PRESENT.
OUR SCHOOL BOARD APPOINTEE POSITION IS STILL VACANT.
AND CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MICHAEL RODRIGUEZ IS PRESENT.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES:]
SO MOVED. SECOND. I HAD A MOTION BY MR. KARAFFA, SECONDED BY MR. WARNER, TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM REGULAR MEETING 2020 5-01.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]
A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT THE FOUNTAIN PARK RECYCLING CENTER, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH A FEW DIFFERENT CASES.2020 4-00011 CPC, 24 00007 AND Q 24 0008 WILL NOT BE HEARD THIS EVENING. THE NOTICES FOR THOSE WILL BE SENT WITH OUT WITH NEW MEETING DATES.
SO FOUNTAIN PARK RECYCLING CENTER IS NOT GOING TO BE HEARD TONIGHT.
ADDITIONALLY. EXCUSE ME. YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
WILL NOT BE HEARD THIS EVENING. WILL BE NOTIFIED WHEN IT WILL BE HEARD.
ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT CASE CU 2020. EXCUSE ME.
25 CU 20 5-0002, WHICH IS ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
HAS THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO THE MARCH 5TH, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING? A MOTION WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THAT. THAT'S NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
THEY HAVE REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO MARCH 5TH.
REGULAR MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. CRAWFORD, SECONDED BY MR. GOOD TO POSTPONE OR CONTINUE.
EXCUSE ME. TO THE MARCH 5TH MEETING. Q 25 0002.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.
THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT'S THE ANNOUNCEMENTS INTO MEETING PROCEDURES.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN BE ASKED TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION GERMANE TO THE CASE, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY ON YOUR CARD AND WHEN YOU DO GET ON THE MIC, PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE RECORD. AS A COURTESY, WE ASK THAT IF THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAY HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'LL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE WILL BE HEARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION IN ADHERING WITH THESE MEETING GUIDELINES. EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. I APOLOGIZE, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT, PLEASE.
OKAY. THE IF I WANT. THIS IS FOR THE BOARD THAT IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CITY COUNCIL OR MAYOR TO BE REAPPOINTED OR SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AT LARGE TO THEM BY FEBRUARY 12TH.
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WE'D LIKE YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SERVE ON THIS BOARD.THE AT LARGE POSITION WILL BE VOTED ON AT THE FEBRUARY 20TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. ADDITIONALLY, MISTER CHAIR.
AS I DO EVERY MEETING, ITEMS ONE AND TWO IN THE AGENDA ARE BOTH QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.
WHICH MEANS IF ANY OF YOU HAVE HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, PLEASE DIVULGE THE INFORMATION WHO YOU SPOKE WITH AND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARED OR EXCHANGED DURING THE MEETING IF ONE OCCURRED.
JUDGING BY YOUR SILENCE, I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT NONE OF YOU HAVE HAD EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, AND WE MAY PROCEED WITH THE MEETING. THANK YOU SIR.
THAT BRINGS US INTO NEW BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS CASE VICTORY 20 4-00008.
[NEW BUSINESS:]
I'LL DEFER TO STAFF. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.I'M CHRISTINA HALL. I'M A PLANNER WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
THIS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING HOME TO ENCROACH 3.47FT INTO THE REAR, 25 FOOT SETBACK OF THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANTS ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MARSHALL AND FRANCOIS JEAN, WHO OWN 299 BOUGAINVILLA STREET NORTHWEST.
THE REAR OF THIS PARCEL BORDERS THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL.
21. THE CURRENT LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION IS RS2, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THIS APPLICATION DID NOT REQUIRE A CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING AS IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. ALL REQUIRED ADVERTISEMENTS, MAILINGS AND NOTICES WERE COMPLETED PER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION FOR REVIEW.
THIS VARIANCE REQUEST WAS CONSIDERED USING ZONING REGULATIONS AND REVIEW CRITERIA FOUND IN TABLE 173 FOUR DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND SECTION 172 025 VARIANCES. A SUMMARY OF THIS CASE. IN JULY OF 2023, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SUBMITTED A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A 579 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THEIR HOME. GROWTH MANAGEMENT REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH ZONING REGULATIONS, AND FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WOULD LEAVE 25.2FT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS WITHIN OUR ZONING REGULATIONS, AND AN OWNER BUILDER PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
OWNER BUILDER MEANS THAT THE HOMEOWNER WAS ACTING AS THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR, AND THEY ARE PERMITTED TO DO SO PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 489 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. THE STATUTE ALLOWS A HOMEOWNER TO BUILD OR MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO PROPERTY FOR THEIR OWN USE OR OCCUPANCY.
DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE PROPERTY OWNER PASSED ALL REQUIRED INSPECTIONS, AND UPON COMPLETION, A FINAL SURVEY WAS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
SO ON THE LEFT YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED AND WHAT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY.
AND ON THE RIGHT ARE THE DIMENSIONS THAT IT WAS BUILT TO.
AND I PROVIDED THE REFERENCE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR YOU FROM SECTION 172 025D VARIANCE REQUESTS MUST DEMONSTRATE UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP. AND THAT HARDSHIP CANNOT BE SELF-IMPOSED OR THE RESULT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ACTIONS.
SO BASED ON THE FACTS PRESENTED, STAFF CANNOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
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THANK YOU MA'AM. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE AT THIS TIME. WELL, EXCUSE ME, MR. WARNER. OH, YES. I'M SURE THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THIS, BUT SO WITH THE PROPERTY, WE'RE ON 0.23 ACRES. AND IS HE. IS HE BUILDING AN ACCESSORY TO THE IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, OR IS IT JUST JUST OR IS IT JUST A PROPERTY? IT'S AN IT'S AN ADDITION TO THE HOME LIVING SQUARE FOOTAGE ATTACHED.OKAY. NOW IS THE IS THE ISSUE ALSO DEALING WITH THE SEPTIC IS IS WHAT I READ.
SO IS THIS ALSO SOMETHING HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE SEPTIC THE WAY IT'S ARRANGED? THAT'S NOT THE CASE. NO. THE SEPTIC THERE WAS NO, NO NOTHING ABOUT THE WHAT? THE SEPTIC. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING. OKAY.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU SAID SEVERAL FEET. I'M LOOKING AT.
IS IT 3.4FT? YOU'RE LIKE, OH, GOSH, I CAN HEAR MYSELF PRETTY DAGGONE LOUD.
THE ENCROACHMENT IS AT THREE FEET, 3.5FT. LOOKS LIKE.
YEP. YEAH. JUST ABOUT 3.5FT. SO THEY'RE GOING FROM.
YOU'RE SAYING IT WENT FROM 25FT TO 21.5FT, ESSENTIALLY.
YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY, MR. MCLEOD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WERE THERE ANY ERRORS ON THE APPROVED PLAN? ANY ERRORS? YES. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. THANK YOU.
MR. GOODE? YES. MY QUESTION IS THIS. THIS PROPERTY, THIS HOME IS BUILT NOW, RIGHT? THE HOME WAS EXISTING AND THE ADDITION HAS NOW BEEN BUILT.
IT IS BUILT. SO IT IS ENCROACHING RIGHT NOW. IT IS CORRECT.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP. OKAY. THANKS AGAIN TO STAFF.
GOOD EVENING. I'M SORRY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ASHLEY JEAN AND MY WIFE, SHE'S FRANCOISE JEAN. AND THIS IS MY CASE.
FIRST OF ALL, OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SORRY FOR THAT THING HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW THAT HAPPENED. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE JUST I HIRED SOMEONE TO DO THE JOB FOR US.
RIGHT? AND AT THE FINAL, WE TAKE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE WHEN WE CALL THE CITY FOR THE WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? FOR THE FINAL SURVEY. AND THEY FIND OUT. OKAY, THE SURVEY HAD SOMETHING 3.4 SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. AND I REMEMBER ONLY ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT THAT.
THE GUY BUILT THE HOUSE FOR ME. HE SAID, OKAY MR. JEAN, PROBABLY SOMETHING MIGHT BE HIDING. I HEARD IT IN THE HOUSE.
I SAID, HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? HE SAID, YES, SOMETHING MAY BE HIDING.
I SAID, YOU SURE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM? BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S A BUILDER. I KNOW YOU DO.
THE CHURCH, EVERYTHING. I TRUST HIM, YOU KNOW.
I SAID, WOW. AND AT THE END I FIND OUT I INVOLVED IN THAT SITUATION, WHAT I DID.
THIS IS THAT THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY, YOU KNOW, FOR APOLOGY FOR THAT HAPPENED.
AND I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT PROBLEM NOT BELIEVE ME, BUT THAT'S WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THAT SITUATION FOR ME. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. SIR. HANG FOR JUST A MOMENT, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE I'LL ASK IF THE BOARD ARE WE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST? I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD. BOARD? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
MR.. JOHN. YES. WAS THE CONTRACTOR WHO BUILT THE ADDITION LICENSED? I REALLY I DON'T ASK HIM, YOU KNOW. SO BECAUSE I KNOW THIS GUY, HE BUILT SO MANY HOUSES AND THE CHURCH.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. THIS IS THE REASON I JUST HIRED HIM TO DO THAT FOR ME.
BUT I DIDN'T ASK HIM. WHERE IS THE LICENSE OR EVERYTHING LIKE THIS? I DIDN'T ASK HIM THOSE THINGS. BUT ONLY ONE THING I DO KNOW.
I KNOW HE DO THE CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, MR. WARNER. YES, SIR. WERE THERE ANY PERMITTING, PERMITTING INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS?
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EXCUSE ME. WAS THERE ANY PERMITTING INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS? YOU'RE TALKING THE PERMIT? YES, SIR. ME? YES, YES. WHERE DID YOU WORK? I TAKE MY PERMIT ON THE PERMIT.SO YOU PULLED A PERMIT? YES, I PULLED MY PERMIT. YES. ON THE PERMIT? YES, ON THE PERMIT.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO JUMP IN HERE. ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE BOARD FOR A MINUTE.
MR. CRAWFORD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT ANY POINT IN TIME? WHEN THE CITY CAME OUT AND INSPECTED THE PROJECT, DID THEY DID THEY TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM OR THAT IT DEVIATED FROM THE PLAN? YEAH. AT THE LAST MINUTE, WHEN EVERYTHING FINISHED DONE, I JUST JUST CALLED FOR THE FINAL SURVEY AND THE SURVEY SAID MAYBE SOMETHING ADDED.
AND WHEN I SEND EVERYTHING TO CITY, THEY STILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO TO VARIANCE.
NO, NO, I FEEL THAT WE HAD UNTIL THE FINAL SURVEY TOLD ME THAT.
THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU SIR. MR.. GOOD. YES.
MY QUESTION IS IN LOOKING AT THE AT THE PICTURE IT LOOKS LIKE.
OH, LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT ONE HERE. BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THE PART THAT WAS ENCROACHING.
IS IT A IS IT A SCREEN ROOM OR IS THAT SOLID WALL.
OH, WAS IT SOLID WALL? OKAY. YEAH. MUST BE LOOKING AT YOU.
BUT IT'S A SOLID BRICK BLOCK STRUCTURE. THANK YOU.
OKAY. AND MR.. GOOD. KIND OF. KIND OF LEADS ME INTO MY NEXT QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS 529 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING? WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? THE PURPOSE, THE ADDITION.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WE ARE THE FAMILY OF SIX. I GOT FOUR CHILDREN AND MY WIFE SIX.
AND BECAUSE THE FIRST I WAS, WE HAD. IT WAS THREE AND TWO BEDROOM.
YOU KNOW, ME AND MY WIFE, YOU KNOW, AND TO ADD ANOTHER TWO BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE FAMILY, WE GOT THE LARGER FAMILIES. MY MOTHER IN LAW, MY MOM, MY SISTER.
SOMETIMES THEY COME DOWN HERE. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE TO ADD ANOTHER TWO BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, AND MORALS. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THIS IS GOOD. BUILD THIS. DID YOU DRAW THAT DRAWING? WHICH ONE EXACTLY? THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE. WERE YOU TAKING THIS ONE? YEAH. THE LEFT. THE FIRST ONE? NO, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.
YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS ON PAR.
YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT PLAN WAS PERFECT.
YOU YOU DESIGNATED YOURSELF THE GUY, BUT IN REALITY, YOU PAID SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT.
THAT'S THE GUY, AND THAT'S GOING TO OVERSEE IT.
BUT NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOUR OVERSIGHT, BECAUSE YOU DECLARED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE THE OVERSIGHT, HAS BROUGHT ABOUT THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE IT SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T HOLD IN THE VIEW OF OF THIS VARIANCE, WE CAN'T REALLY HOLD THE THE PERSON THAT CONSTRUCTED IT FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT DECISION. WE CAN ONLY LOOK AT YOU BECAUSE YOU DESIGNATED YOURSELF AS THE CONTRACTOR EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD SOMEBODY. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT MAKES IT VERY HARD BY WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW TO BE ABLE TO TO GRANT THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THE HARDSHIP IS DUE TO YOU DECLARING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO OVERSEE IT AND THE OVERSIGHT HAPPENED.
SO IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. I HEAR YOUR CASE LOUD AND CLEAR.
AND WHY YOU DID THE RENOVATION AND SO ON. BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT BECAUSE OF THE INTERPRETATION OF, OF THE THE LAW HERE, IT'S VERY HARD TO BE IN THIS SITUATION.
I'M GOING TO JUST SHARE THAT WITH YOU. BUT I JUST WANT TO ADVISE YOU, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD OR ANYTHING ELSE, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DECLARE AND THEN ACTUALLY PAY SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, NO, I'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE BEST CHOICE, NOT IN STUFF LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THEN YOU MIGHT END UP IN A PREDICAMENT LIKE THIS.
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BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M ARTICULATING, THE CONFLICT THERE AND THE HARDSHIP? OR IS THERE ANY PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT'S MISSING OR WHAT HAVE YOU? BECAUSE I BELIEVE BY THE VERBIAGE IT SAID THE APPLICATION WAS INCOMPLETE. NO, THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US WAS COMPLETE.THERE WERE SOME RESPONSES THAT WERE LACKING. BUT REALLY, THE CITATION IS JUST THAT.
THE HARDSHIP WAS SELF-IMPOSED. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.
OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, MR. JEAN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.
EXCUSE ME. I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE. SO NO NEED FOR A RESPONSE. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR BOARD DISCUSSION.
BOARD MEMBERS, AFTER HEARING ALL EVIDENCE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? I'LL JUST KIND OF STATE MY FEELINGS. FOR THE RECORD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ISSUED VARIANCES BEFORE FOR THINGS LIKE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MAY BE ENCROACH A COUPLE FEET INTO A RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S STILL PRETTY GOOD ACCESS BACK THERE.
I THINK JUST A FEW FEET IS ISN'T THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MISTAKE. THE HOUSE, IT'S BUILT NOW, IT'S ALREADY BUILT.
SO IT WOULD BE PROBABLY VERY COSTLY AND VERY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE V240008. SECOND, APPROVE THE VARIANCE.
OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR.. GOOD. AND IT'S SECONDED BY MR. KARAFFA TO RECOMMEND THIS CASE. VICTORY 20 4-0008 FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO THAT? YES. MR. MCLEOD. IT TROUBLES ME THAT A PERMIT WAS PULLED YOU OFF, SIR.
SORRY. IT TROUBLES ME THAT A PERMIT WAS PULLED WITH SPECIFICATION, AND SOMEONE BUILT IT ALMOST FOUR FEET BEYOND THE ALLOWED SIZE. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IF WE KEEP GIVING VARIANCES FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO WHAT THEIR PLANS SAY, IT PRESENTS A PROBLEM THAT LEADS ITSELF TO LAWLESSNESS.
THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU SIR. MR. WARNER.
YES, SIR. THE REASON WHY I HAD ASKED IN THE BEGINNING AS TO WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AS LOOKING LOOKING AT THE THE, THE DRAWING AND WHAT THE PLANS ARE THE PROPERTY OF WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
IT WOULD IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE'S LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY HERE.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A LOT WITH THE 3.47FT, BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF IT WASN'T.
IF IT IF IT WASN'T SUCH A BIG DEAL OR AN ISSUE.
SO FOR ME, IT'S KIND OF ON THAT TEETER TOTTER OR THE FENCE WHERE BUT BUT AGAIN, I THINK I BELIEVE THAT IT COMES BACK DOWN TO THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHAT THE WHAT THE INITIAL DRAWINGS ACTUALLY SHOWED AND WHAT AND THEN WHAT STAFF ACTUALLY POINTED OUT IN THEIR STAFF REPORT.
THANK YOU SIR. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I SHARE SOME OF YOUR SENTIMENTS, MR. WARNER. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT VARIANTS INTO A SETBACK CASES THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE, HAVE LOOKED INTO AND TRIED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND AS WE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A HEART FOR THE SITUATION.
AND SO, YES, I FEEL VERY CONFLICTED MYSELF HERE.
MR. KARAFFA. THIS HOUSE WAS COMPLETED IN 2003.
IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING AROUND IT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH BUILT UP.
IT BACKS UP TO A CANAL. YOU KNOW, I IMAGINE AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THAT AREA, THERE SEEMS TO BE SUFFICIENT AREA IN WHICH TO DO THAT WORK,
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WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THESE SETBACKS. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE COMING FROM IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF THE LAW, I THINK THAT'S ALSO A REASON THAT WE'RE UP HERE, IS TO IS TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO TO THESE AND TO TAKE THESE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS INTO ACCOUNT, WHICH I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ON THE ON THE NEXT CASE.AND SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE VARIANCE. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE HE WENT IN TEN, 15FT IN ORDER TO ADD ANOTHER BEDROOM BEYOND AND DECEIVE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, 3.5FT, I THINK.
HE MAY BE INEXPERIENCED AND THERE WAS AN ERROR.
THANK YOU SIR. FOR CLARIFICATION SAKE, I'LL ASK STAFF, HOW MUCH BIGGER IS IT ACTUALLY THAN THE PLANS? BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT NOW ENCROACHES INTO THE SETBACK, THE THREE FEET, IT WAS MEANT TO BE QUITE SHY OF THE SETBACK.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION. SO IT WAS APPROVED RIGHT AT THE SETBACK.
RIGHT. TOUCHING IT. OKAY. SO IT IS. IT WAS LIKE TWO FEET BEFORE THE SETBACK.
SO IT IS JUST THE THREE AND A HALF. GOTCHA. BUT I WILL POINT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT IT'S 100FT² LARGER.
UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. HAVEN'T HEARD ALL THE DISCUSSION.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SAY NAY. NAY. NAY. AND WE'LL ASK FOR A ROLL CALL.
MR.. KARAFFA. AYE. MR. MCLEOD. NAY. MR. OLSZEWSKI.
NAY. MR.. WARNER. NAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION FAILS.
DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THAT? NO YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A SECOND MOTION.
THE MOTION FAILS, SO MOVES FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
WE MOVE FORWARD. THANKS FOR KEEPING US ON TASK, SIR.
WE MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO THAT BRINGS UP NEW BUSINESS NUMBER TWO CASE VICTORY 24 00010.
FIRST HALF. OH GOOD EVENING. AGAIN I'M CHRISTINA HALL.
I'M A PLANNER WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. AN APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO ENCROACH 14.5FT INTO THE 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK OF 1621 WESTLAND STREET SOUTHEAST.
THE APPLICANTS ARE SANTIAGO DE JESUS SARMIENTO TORRES, THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND JESUS QUINTERO OF QUINTERO'S CONSTRUCTION, WHO IS THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE. THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.24 ACRES, WHICH AGAIN IS THE SIZE OF MOST SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN OUR CITY AND AS A CORNER LOT. THIS PARCEL IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN NEIGHBORING INTERIOR LOTS TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ROAD FRONTAGE ON TWO SIDES.
SO THE USE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WOULD BE PERMITTED AT THIS SITE.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION FOR REVIEW.
THIS VARIANCE REQUEST WAS CONSIDERED USING ZONING REGULATIONS AND REVIEW CRITERIA FOUND IN TABLE 173 FOUR DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND 172025 VARIANCES. SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A ONE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 2000FT², WITH AN ATTACHED TRUSTEE PORCH OF APPROXIMATELY 280FT², WHICH WOULD FACE WESTLAND AVENUE IN THE RS TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES MUST BE SET BACK 20FT 25FT FROM THE FRONT, THE REAR, AND THE SIDE CORNER PROPERTY LINES, AND EIGHT FEET FROM INTERIOR PROPERTY LINES. SIDE INTERIOR.
AS PROPOSED, THIS HOUSE WOULD ENCROACH 14.5FT INTO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
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IF THIS HOME IS CONSTRUCTED AS PROPOSED, THE REAR OF THE HOME WOULD BE JUST OVER TEN FEET FROM ANY FUTURE HOME BUILT ON THE NEIGHBORING VACANT PARCEL.THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE CITY WATER OR CITY SEWER READILY AVAILABLE, AND MUST INSTALL A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND A DRINKING WELL TO DEVELOP THE LOT AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE APPLICANT WAS ISSUED A SEPTIC PERMIT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IN JULY 2024, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS APPROVING THE LOCATION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
AFTER CONSIDERING THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE, STAFF DETERMINED THAT THIS SITE DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 175 025. AND AGAIN, I PROVIDED THAT REVIEW CRITERIA AS A REFERENCE FOR YOU.
VARIANCES MUST DEMONSTRATE UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP.
AND THAT HARDSHIP CANNOT BE SELF-IMPOSED OR THE RESULT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ACTIONS.
SO BASED ON THE FACTS PRESENTED, STAFF CANNOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
THANK YOU MA'AM. BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. COCKCROFT. LOOKING AT YOUR MAP, YOU SAID THAT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS NOT DEVELOPED.
HOWEVER, FROM THIS AERIAL PICTURE THAT I'M BEING SHOWN LOOKS LIKE TO THE EAST.
THERE'S A HOUSE THERE. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH.
IT'S THEIR HOUSE, APPARENTLY. OKAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M LOOKING AT CORRECTLY.
AND IS IT THE PORCH ITSELF THAT IS ENCROACHING, OR IS IT THE SOLID STRUCTURE? THE HOUSE AS WELL? OH, SO THE HOUSE AND THE PORCH.
THAT'S ROUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR. YES. MY QUESTION IS THIS THE RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THE LOCATION CREATION OF THE SEPTIC AND THE WELL, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA? SO AS I UNDERSTAND, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY EXISTING SYSTEMS AND ALSO WHAT THEIR PLANS WILL BE FOR THE FUTURE, TO MAKE SURE THAT NO LOT IS RENDERED UNBUILDABLE BASED ON THE LOCATION OF SYSTEMS. SO IN THIS CASE, WELLS ARE THE WELL IS IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, SO THE SEPTIC HAS TO BE AT LEAST 75FT AWAY FROM ANY POTABLE WATER SOURCE.
HOWEVER, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOESN'T CONSULT US IN THESE MATTERS.
NO. THE PROPOSAL BY THE CONTRACTOR AND THE HOMEOWNER.
DOES THAT MEET THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED? I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH GUIDELINES THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT LOOKING AT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROVIDED TO US.
THANK YOU. SIR? YES, SIR. MY QUESTION IS THEN THE PROPERTY 1.24 ACRES. SOUNDS LIKE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS GOING INTO THE INTO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
IS IT BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A FOUR BEDROOM VERSUS A32? IS IT OR IS IT A IS IT A43 OR A42. BECAUSE OF THE, BECAUSE OF WHERE THE SEPTIC HAS TO BE LOCATED.
SO IT'S UP TO THE CONTRACTOR, THE OWNER, HOW THEY WANT TO DESIGN THE HOUSE.
BUT WHAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS SAID IS LIKE, THIS IS WHERE THE SEPTIC HAS TO GO, AND THEY GIVE THEM A BUFFER AS FAR AS HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM THAT SYSTEM, THE DRAIN FIELD.
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TO EVERYTHING ELSE, IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING.BUT I MEAN, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
WE TRIED MOVING THE HOUSE THE OTHER WAY WITH THE GUARNERA ADDRESS, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT SAID WE CANNOT BUILD IT BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC AND THE WATERS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY ALLOW US TO TO PUT THAT SEPTIC ON THERE, ON THAT CORNER IS NO WAY WE COULD MOVE THE HOUSE AROUND.
AND IT'S NOT A BIG HOUSE. IT'S ONLY 2000FT², NOT A LARGE HOUSE COMPARED TO OTHER HOUSES.
THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MOVE IT FACING ONE AREA.
WE CHANGED THE OTHER TO WEST LAWN. WE TRY EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S IN YOUR HANDS NOW. ALL RIGHT, WELL, HANG TIGHT, SIR.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, MR.. GOOD? IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN YOU CAN YOU MAKE IT? I MEAN, I ASSUME IF YOU DID A TWO STORY HOME, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT IT IN THERE, CORRECT? YEAH. THE OWNER, I GUESS. YEAH. AND IS, IS THERE I GUESS.
IS THIS A FOUR BEDROOM OR A THREE BEDROOM? FOUR.
SO IT IS A FOUR BEDROOM. OKAY, SO IF IT WAS A THREE BEDROOM, IT WOULD PROBABLY FIT 2020FT² HOME.
OKAY. LIVING SPACE. OKAY, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YEAH. MR. WARNER. YES, SIR. THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS IS IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THEN TO MAYBE USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM OR ANOTHER SEPTIC SYSTEM, OR IS IT JUST STRICTLY THIS, THIS BRAND OF SEPTIC SYSTEM? THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT APPROVED. LIKE WE CAN DO NOTHING ELSE WITH THAT.
JUST THAT ONE. AND WE GOT TO STAY 75FT AWAY FROM ALL THE WELLS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE WE MEET IN THREE CORNERS OF THE 25 SETBACK.
THE ONLY ONE IS ON THE BACK. IF WE MOVE THE HOUSE FORWARD AND THEN WE DON'T MAKE THE FRONT, SO. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
YET IT SEEMS THAT THE SETBACK ISSUE IS NOT WHERE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS.
WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? NO, IT'S ON THE SITE.
IF THEY PULLED THE HOUSE DOWN TO THE LEFT. IT'D PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT.
BUT THEY CAN'T PULL 25. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU SEE THOSE LINES THAT THE WATER, THE LINES.
SURE. WHICH YOU GOT TO STAY 75FT AWAY FROM THE SEPTIC.
GOTCHA. MEANING THOSE ARE LIKE THE CIRCLES OF THE RADIUS OF HOW CLOSE THE WELLS ARE.
YEAH. WE HAVE SOME SEWER AND WATER. WE DIDN'T HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I MEAN, THE CITY GOT A LOT TO DO WITH THAT, TOO.
SO, QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. IT'S A 2000 AND CHANGE.
THAT'S THE LIVING AREA. HOW MUCH? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE UNDER TRUSTEE? HOW BIG IS THE GARAGE? HOURS ON THE TRUSS. THE GARAGE IS A TWO CAR, THREE CAR GARAGE.
IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE. TWO CAR GARAGE. FOUR BEDROOM? YES, HE SAID 3000. 3000. UNDER TRUSS. AND. BUT THE PORCH ISN'T.
THE PORCH IS. IS UNDER OR NOT? BUT YEAH, IT'S ON THE BACK, BUT IT'S UNDER THE ROOF.
OR IT'S NOT ON THE ROOF. IT'S UNDER THE ROOF. OKAY, SO IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT 3000FT².
SO OKAY, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. PERHAPS, AND I'M SURE MAYBE IT'S BEEN EXPLORED, BUT PERHAPS THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT HOUSE FOR THIS THIS THIS PROPERTY. HAS IT BEEN THOUGHT TO BUILD A DIFFERENT STYLE OF HOUSE IN, IN ESSENTIALLY JUST A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION, LIKE TO BRING THE, THE BACK PORCH TO THE SOUTHERN END AND GAIN ACCESS AND KIND OF KEEP IT THAT SAME GENERAL SHAPE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU HAVE HIM BEING HAS BEEN.
HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT. GOTCHA. OKAY. MR. CRAWFORD, I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE THIS ALONG. WOULD IT BE A HARDSHIP VARIANCE IF HE JUST SHIFTED THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT AND MADE THE DRIVEWAY SHORTER BY 14FT? YEAH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IN THE FRONT, THE 25FT ON THE CORNER THERE ON THE FAR LEFT.
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YEAH. IT'S EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK. YOU GOT TO STAY 25FT AND THE CORNER LOT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WOULD BE A VARIANCE. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING? 1200 SQUARE FEET. 1200 WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE.GOTCHA. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A TWO BEDROOM HOME.
NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. OKAY, SO AT THIS TIME, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS TIME, SIR, BUT HAVE A SEAT, BUT HANG OUT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REBUT.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE FOR THIS CASE.
I'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST? SIR. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
MY ONLY OPPOSITION TO THIS IS THE FACT THAT WE SET GUIDELINES UNDER OUR BUILDING CODES.
WHAT? WE EXPECTED TO SEE THIS. BUT I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN LANDOWNERS RIGHTS LANDOWNERS USE.
BUT WHEN YOU BUY YOUR LAND, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THAT LAND AND WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO WHEN YOU BEFORE YOU START, BEFORE YOU START YOUR PROCESS. AND 58% OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST ON THE LAND MASS.
TO ME, THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND THE FACT OF WHERE THE SEPTIC TANK IS TO WHERE THE MULTIPLE WELLS ARE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHERE THE OTHER PEOPLE'S SEPTIC TANKS ARE FROM, THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM. ALL OF THESE THINGS HINDER WHERE YOU CAN PUT YOUR HOUSE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS OF DECIDING WHERE YOU WANT TO BUY YOUR LAND TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE.
AS PART OF THE PROBLEM LIES IN PEOPLE NOT DOING THEIR HOMEWORK BEFORE THEY DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT.
AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I WANT. NOW YOU GIVE IT TO ME.
WELL, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE THERE.
THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE SITTING UP THERE AND HAVING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WE ASK THE CODES, WE ASK FOR THESE CODES.
AND WE JUST HAD THE CODE UPGRADED. AND WE'RE IN A CONTINUAL LIVING PROCESS.
IF WE FIND THAT THE SETBACKS AND STUFF AREN'T, AREN'T FEASIBLE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT SPEAKER.
HI. MY NAME IS THERESA GRAY AND MY HUSBAND IS DAVID GRAY.
AND WE LIVE DIRECTLY BESIDE THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY LINE IN QUESTION IS JUST WEST OF OUR HOUSE.
WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'LL BE THE ONLY HOUSE ON THAT SIDE THAT WILL BE BUILT NORTH WEST.
AND ALL OUR OTHER PROPERTIES ARE FACED SOUTH AND NORTH.
WE'RE GOING TO LOSE. I THINK IF WE DECIDE TO SELL OUR HOUSE, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE BUYERS BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SUCH CROWDING. AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE SO MANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT. BUT I WAS TOLD BY A REALTOR THAT WE DEFINITELY WOULD LOSE PROPERTY VALUE AND IT WOULD INHIBIT OUR RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, TO SELL OUR HOUSE. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT SETBACK, I THINK THAT'S A VERY HUGE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS REALLY TAKING UP AN AWFUL LOT.
IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT ON OUR LAND. WE HAVE THE FENCE RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND HAVING A HOUSE TEN FEET FROM THAT, THAT IS KIND OF INTRUDING ON ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY VEHICLE OR ANYTHING, HAVING TO GO BACK THERE.
OURS IS 37 YEARS OLD, SO I THINK THE PROPERTY WILL BE BUILT UP HIGHER.
THERE WILL BE RAINWATER AND I'M AFRAID THAT'S GOING TO WASH ONTO OUR, OUR, OUR LAND.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH WATER INTRUSION AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS GONE REALLY WELL THE WAY WE'VE ALL BEEN ABLE TO SITUATE OUR HOUSES.
OUR HOUSES ARE CONFORMED TO THE CONTOUR OF ALL THE LANDS.
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YOU KNOW, CHANGE THEIR WHOLE BUILDING. THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THEIR THEIR HOUSES A LITTLE BIT.THEY'VE REDUCED THEIR PLANS IF THEY HAD TO. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. OUR OUR SETBACKS ARE 25FT OR MORE AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS THERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING I WANT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MY NEIGHBOR BUILDING ON HIS LOT.
I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO VIOLATE MY RIGHTS.
AND MY CONCERNS ARE THEY NEED TO BE TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. MA'AM. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST? SIR. MY NAME IS STEPHEN WHITE. I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE, LORI WHITE.
WE LIVE AT 1625 TIBBETS, WHICH IS THE NEXT STREET OVER, WHICH IS THREE LOTS OVER FROM WHERE THIS PROPOSED HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT. I FIND ISSUES WITH THE PLAN. ONE MAJOR ISSUE IS WHERE THE SEPTIC TANK IS GOING TO BE AT, WHICH IS THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE POWER LINE, FOR UTILITIES, FOR CABLE COMPANY AND FPL TO COME IN THERE TO WORK ON THE POWER LINES.
THEY HAVE TO DRIVE VEHICLES BETWEEN THE HOUSES TO GET TO THE POWER LINES.
THEY WON'T HAVE ACCESS ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THAT'S ONE MAJOR ISSUE. I RECENTLY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE FPL, WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME, THEY DISCONNECTED THE POWER TO MY SECURITY LIGHT BY MISTAKE, AND THEY HAD TO DRIVE ACROSS MY PROPERTY TWICE, ONCE TO HOOK UP POWER TO THE NEW HOUSE NEXT TO ME AND ONCE TO REHOOK POWER UP TO MY SECURITY LIGHT.
AND THEY DROVE ON MY PROPERTY TWICE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THROUGH THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE MAILING THAT WE GOT, YOU CAN SEE I'VE GOT IT CLEARED AROUND MY HOUSE FOR A FIREBREAK AND FOR FPL ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY. NOW THE HOUSE IS ON THE END OF THE STREET.
WON'T HAVE ACCESS BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC TANK.
SPECIFICALLY, YOU CAN'T DRIVE A POWER TRUCK ACROSS A DRAIN FIELD.
IT'LL FALL IN THE DRAIN FIELD. SO THEY WON'T HAVE ACCESS.
THEY WON'T HAVE ACCESS NORTH SOUTH BETWEEN DAVE'S HOUSE BECAUSE IT WILL BE TOO CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE.
THEY HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE. I HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET UTILITY COMPANIES TO COME IN TO SERVICE? ANYTHING THERE ON THE PROPERTY? WE HAVE OVERHEAD UTILITIES.
WE DON'T HAVE BURIED UTILITIES LIKE IN BAYSIDE LAKES PLUS ALL OF OUR HOUSES.
MINE WAS BUILT 29 YEARS AGO. MINE'S 1100 SQUARE FEET.
DAVE'S IS 11 TO 1200 SQUARE FEET. JOANNE, WHO LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
HERS IS 1200 SQUARE FEET. YOU WANT TO PUT A HOUSE IN THERE? THAT'S OVER TWICE AS BIG AS OUR HOUSE AND ENCROACH ON OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS ISN'T LIKE BAYSIDE OR UP IN WEST MELBOURNE, WHERE YOU HAVE ZERO LOT LINES AND CITY WATER.
OUR THREE STREET NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE CITY WATER OR CITY SEWER.
EVERYBODY THREE STREETS NORTH OF US OR THREE STREETS SOUTH OF US ON WYOMING HAVE CITY WATER.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE CITY WATER.
SO WE'RE ALL ON, WELL, WATER AND SEPTIC. SO THAT'S THAT'S A MAJOR A MAJOR ISSUE.
WHEN I HAD MY WELL, REDONE THREE YEARS AGO, I WENT THROUGH A WHOLE ORDEAL BECAUSE WHEN THEY DRILLED THE SECOND WELL, IT WAS TWO FEET TOO CLOSE TO MY SEPTIC TANK. SO THEY HAD TO COME BACK AND REDRILL IT.
IT WAS THEIR MISTAKE. DIDN'T COST ANYTHING OUT OF MY POCKET, BUT IT WAS THE AGGRAVATION THAT THEY CAME AND PUT IN A NEW WELL AND DIDN'T MEASURE IT PROPERLY. SO WHEN THE COUNTY CAME OUT CAME OUT TO INSPECT IT, THEY SAID, OH, YOU'RE ENCROACHING ON THAT 75 FOOT WHATEVER THING FROM MY SEPTIC TANK TO MY NEW WELL. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE WELL WATER, THE UTILITIES, THE POWER AND ALL THAT. SO THAT'S MY MAIN THING. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES THAT HAVE OVERHEAD UTILITIES, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT, I'M GOING TO PUT THE FOOTPRINT OF MY HOUSE HERE.
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NOW I GOT TO GO ENCROACH ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY JUST TO GET TO MY PROPERTY, TO WORK ON THE CABLE, OVERHEAD CABLE OR THE OVERHEAD POWER. SO THAT THAT'S MY MAJOR THING.I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY DRIVING THROUGH MY PROPERTY OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
EVERYBODY GETS THEIR THREE MINUTE ALLOTMENT. SO YOU JUST THAT'S THAT'S MY CASE.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING. I'M BUILDING A HOUSE. JUST NOT SUCH A HUGE HOUSE ENCROACHING ON EVERYBODY.
SO THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? MY NAME IS JEFF DENMAN. I LIVE AT 1617 JUANITA STREET.
I LIVE ACROSS FROM DAVE AND TERRY GRAY. I DON'T MY PROPERTY IS NOT IMPACTED BY THIS THING OR ANYTHING ELSE. THEY'VE JUST BEEN MY NEIGHBORS FOR 22 YEARS OR MORE.
I JUST I KNOW THERE'S NO HARDSHIP AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE STATEMENTS.
BUT THERE IS ONE THING THAT MR. GOOD SAID ABOUT, OUT.
IF YOU CAN MAKE THE HOUSE SMALLER AS THE FOOTPRINT.
BUT TWO STORIES. WOULDN'T THAT BE A LOT BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE? IT'S GOING TO BE MOVING IN. I'M. I'M JUST SAYING, BECAUSE YOU'D BE ABLE TO PUT SPACING SEPTIC DEPARTMENT HEALTH AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY TO THE POINT AND EVERYTHING. I KNOW THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS SEVERAL PROPERTIES AROUND.
THE ONE NEXT TO ME HAS TAKEN EIGHT MONTHS TO EVEN TRY TO PUT PAINT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE TO PUT UP FENCES OR SHEDS OR WHATEVER THE CITY GIVES US, YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO GET IT UP, AND IT'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, I CAN UNDERSTAND. SO WHY HAS IT TAKEN.
I'M JUST. JUST ME. ANYWAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE? SEEING NONE. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE AUDIENCE COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SO AT THAT, THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR BOARD DISCUSSION. BOARD MEMBERS, AFTER HEARING ALL EVIDENCE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT I JUST I THINK I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ALSO.
THEY ARE KIND OF SOME SMALLER HOMES AND IT IS AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
MANY OF THE HOMES HAVE BEEN THERE 30 PLUS YEARS.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. BUT BUT SO MUCH OF A VARIANCE IS JUST VERY DIFFICULT I THINK FOR, FOR FOR ME TO ACCEPT. AND SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT TO THE, TO THE BOARD.
AND I'D LOVE TO LISTEN TO OTHER, OTHER COMMENTS AND EVERYONE ELSE'S FEELINGS ON THAT.
MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. I'M GOING TO ECHO A LOT OF THE SAME SENTIMENTS.
THE LAST CASE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE COMING 3.5FT CLOSER TO A WE WERE COMING 3.5FT CLOSER TO A CANAL, YOU KNOW, HERE WE'RE COMING 14FT CLOSER TO A NEIGHBOR. THAT'S ALSO RESPECTING A LOT BOUNDARY.
SO I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION.
WE DO NOT APPROVE THIS VARIANCE. AND I WILL SECOND.
OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR.. KARAFFA SECONDED BY MR..
GOOD. THAT MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND FOR DENIAL CASE VICTORY 20 24.
ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. ONE. ZERO. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO THAT? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.
YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. THERE YOU GO, SIR. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
THIS IS THE SECOND CASE THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT, AND WE'VE HAD CASES PREVIOUSLY WHERE THERE ARE VERY CLEAR RULES AND GUIDELINES. AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLE CONTAMINATION OF GROUNDWATER, WELL WATER BASED UPON WHERE SEPTICS ARE PLACED.
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CREATIONS DON'T FIT THE GUIDELINES. AND I AM OPPOSED TO GRANTING THIS VARIANCE TO.THANK YOU SIR. MR. WARNER. YES, SIR. WELL MY COMMENTS ARE THE SAME.
I DON'T CARE FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS, BUT I CAN. I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH WITH THE DRAIN FIELD.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE ISSUE OF SAFETY IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN, IN THAT AREA.
BUT WITH THAT DRAIN FIELD, IF IF, LET'S JUST SAY SOMETHING DID HAPPEN, A CATASTROPHE WHERE A HURRICANE HAPPENED AND THEY NEEDED TO GET TO THOSE POWER LINES, OR THEY NEEDED TO GET TO THE TO ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE STUCK BACK THERE DRIVING OVER TO OR DRIVING OVER THAT DRAIN DRAIN FIELD IS GOING TO CREATE A BIGGER HAVOC FOR THE HOMEOWNER THAN THEY WOULD EVER IMAGINE, BECAUSE THOSE DRAIN FIELDS AND THOSE SEPTIC TANKS ARE NOT, ARE NOT. NO, SIR. I JUST WANT TO FINISH MY IT IS CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT, MR. WARNER, I WILL SAY JUST IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP IT GERMANE TO THE CASE, EVERYTHING THE STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO US IS THAT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS OKAY.
THE THE PROPER AGENCY THAT REVIEWS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM HAS SAID THAT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE PLACED THERE BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE TO THE WELLS, BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE TO THE OTHER AND TO RESPECT ANY EASEMENTS.
SO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
JERMAINE, WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE VARIANCE THAT ENCROACHES ON WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTH EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HERE TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN BASE OUR DECISION ON.
YES, SIR. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS LEADING TO. SO WITH THAT, I'M DONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENTS.
IS REMAINING GERMANE TO TO THE POINT OF WHERE THE PORCH COMES INTO PLAY AND THE SECTION OF THE HOUSE COMES INTO PLAY, AND THAT VARIES 14FT. SO AT THAT, I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. WOULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? SURE. ABSOLUTELY. MISTER MCLEOD. SO THE MOTION WAS BY MISTER KARAFFA.
IT WAS SECONDED BY MR. GOODE. AND THE MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND FOR DENIAL.
CASE VICTORY 20 24 00010. AND I CALL THE QUESTION AND SAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT I ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THIS BRINGS UP NEW BUSINESS CASE NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS CP 24 00010. I'LL DEFER TO STAFF. GOOD EVENING. CHAIR AND BOARD.
DEBBIE FLYNN, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM THE COUNTY'S NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ONE ONE UNIT PER ACRE.
DESIGNATIONS TO PALM BAY URBAN MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION, ALIGNING THE 133 ACRE SITE WITH THE URBAN MIXED USE DESIGNATION CURRENTLY APPLIED TO THE EASTERN PORTION OF ASHTON PARK.
THE SITE IS LOCATED SOUTH SIDE OF MICCO ROAD, 0.3 THREE MILES EAST OF INTERSTATE 95.
TO THE NORTH IS THE PROPOSED MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY KNOWN AS LOTUS PALM BAY.
TO THE SOUTH IS GOVERNMENT MANAGED LANDS. PART OF THE COUNTY AND TO THE EAST IS THE PROPOSED EASTERN PORTION OF ASHTON PARK, AND TO THE WEST IS THE COUNTY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TRANSIENT TOURISM TOURIST COMMERCIAL LAND USE, WHICH IS VACANT. THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF THE URBAN MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IS TO ACCOMMODATE CONCENTRATIONS OF VERY HIGH INTENSITY, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT, PRIMARILY PRIMARILY AT THE INTERSECTION OF ARTERIAL ROADWAYS.
THE MAXIMUM DENSITY AND INTENSITY PERMITTED BY UM.YOU.
DEVELOPMENT IS 40 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, OR 50 WITH DENSITY BONUS AND 2.5 FLOOR AREA RATIO, OR 3.5 AND DENSITY BONUS, RESPECTIVELY. ON APRIL 29TH, 2024, THE APPLICANT HELD A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING AT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AND SUITES ON MALABAR ROAD, WHICH TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT ATTENDED.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED REVIEW DOCUMENTS INCLUDING THE APPLICATION, THE BOUNDARY SURVEY, THE SITE SKETCH FACTORS OF ANALYSIS WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN AND REPORT. ENVIRONMENTAL NATURAL RESOURCE ASSESSMENT.
LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION AND LEGAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
ASHTON PARK IS A PROPOSED MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY IN PALM BAY, DESIGNED TO CREATE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WITH PUBLIC SPACES, JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND WALKABILITY. IT WILL INCLUDE A 30 ACRE SCHOOL SITE FOR POSSIBLE ELEMENTARY AND OR MIDDLE SCHOOL.
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EXTENSIVE GREEN SPACES, PARKS, REGIONAL TRAILS AND A MASTER CLUBHOUSE WITH VARIOUS AMENITIES FOR RESIDENTS.ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2023, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ASHTON'S PARKS.
PARKS. EASTERN 1435 ACRE PROJECT SITE FOR A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF URBAN MIXED USE, WHICH INCLUDED LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES.
TODAY'S PROPOSAL REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE SAME DESIGNATION.
THE UPDATED DESIGN FEATURES 645 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND 222 TOWNHOMES SITUATED NEXT TO A TOWN CENTER, WHICH WILL OFFER 300,000FT² OF LEASABLE SPACE.
THE COMMUNITY PLANS TO EXTEND SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY FROM THE NORTHWEST TO ASHLAND PARK'S EASTERN EDGE, RUNNING PARALLEL TO MICCO ROAD. THE NEW ROUTE WILL OFFER A FASTER CONNECTION TO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, LEAVING TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON MICCO ROAD. ASHTON PARK IS COLLABORATING WITH THE NEARBY LANDOWNERS AND THE CITY TO EXTEND THE PARKWAY AND UTILITIES THROUGH EAST EMERALD LAKES AND LOTUS PALM BAY, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, THE SITE IS LOCATED SOUTH SIDE OF MICCO ROAD, 0.3 MILES EAST OF INTERSTATE 95.
CONTINGENT ON THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL'S FIRST READING, CP 24 001 TEN WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FOR REVIEW AND TECHNICAL COMMENTS. ONCE THE REVIEW IS COMPLETE, THE PROJECT WILL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A FINAL READING.
THE NEXT STEP IN THE PLANNING PROCESS IS THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL INCORPORATE THE CONDITIONS SET BY CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 7TH.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN FUTURE LAND USE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL ONE AND RESIDENTIAL ONE UNIT, ONE ACRE, ONE UNIT PER ACRE TO UMU TO ALLOW A MIX OF REGIONAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER, AS WELL AS APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES, PROVIDING A TRUE LIVE WORK AND PLAY ENVIRONMENT.
THE APPLICANT MET THE FACTORS OF ANALYSIS CRITERIA.
AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT, JAKE WISE WITH CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING GROUP IS HERE TO PRESENT AS WELL.
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS REQUEST, WHAT THIS REQUEST IS, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, BUT THE LAND USE WAS NEVER CHANGED.
SO THE CURRENT LAND USE IS THE COUNTY'S LAND USE.
SO WE DO NEED TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO SOMETHING IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE CITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT TO YOU ALL THAT THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, ONE THAT IS A COUNTY LAND USE.
OKAY. SO IN ORDER TO DEVELOP PROPERTY, THE LAND USE DOES NEED TO BE CHANGED.
OKAY. I JUST WANTED THAT BROUGHT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MA'AM. WHERE? I USUALLY TURN TO THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS FIRST.
I'M JUST SEEING THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M GOING TO ASK MY QUESTION OF STAFF.
WHY? WHY DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THIS NOW WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS NOT REALLY HAPPENING? OH, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT NOW.
OR TO WHAT? WHAT IS REQUESTED. I'M JUST STATING THAT IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD, IT WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE CITY.
LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. IT WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED, BUT TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING IN PLACE BEFORE YOU DO ANY DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU WELL KNOW. UNDERSTOOD? UNDERSTOOD.
SO JUST KIND OF TO, TO HONE IN THERE IS IS IT THE STAFF'S SENTIMENT THAT IT IS A POSITIVE THING FOR THE CITY TO TO DO IT NOW? AND IF SO, WHY? I BELIEVE THAT, MISS. I'M SORRY THAT DEBBIE HAS HAD EXPRESSED IT BECAUSE THE
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THE REST OF THE ACREAGE, ALMOST 1500 ACRES TO THE WEST WAS CHANGED.AND THEY HAVE A WHAT DO I WANT TO SAY, A DEVELOPMENT DESIGN THAT IS PROPOSED, NOT APPROVED THAT THE CITY AGREED TO PREVIOUSLY AS FAR AS THE LAND USE CHANGE.
CORRECT. AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF THAT BIG WHOLE PROJECT.
UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. ARE THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? MR.. GOOD? YES. I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW IT IS ZONED ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PER ACRE, I THINK.
RIGHT. AND DID I HEAR COMMERCIAL? IT'S ZONED FOR BOTH RIGHT NOW.
LAND USE. IT'S SO LARGE. IT'S ZONED FOR TWO. FOR TWO.
IS THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? PER OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT'S THE MOST IT COULD BE.
THIS IS A COMBINED OVER 1500 1500 ACRES. SO THIS IS A VERY LARGE PIECE OF LAND OUT HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT.
IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT LESS THAN 40 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, PLEASE, SIR, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAD TO SAY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IT SAYS AT THIS TIME, THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT PROJECTED TO HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY FOR THE TOTAL OF THE PROJECTED AND POTENTIAL STUDENTS COMING FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME ALLOTTED LAND FOR AN ELEMENTARY SLASH MIDDLE SCHOOL.
WE DON'T HAVE K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOLS. DO WE KNOW IT WOULD BE SOMETHING NEW THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS LOOKING AT? KAREN BLACK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE FUTURE SCHOOL SITE.
YEAH, I'M GOING TO BE VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
SO I AM KIND OF AWARE OF WHAT THE CAPACITY ISSUES ARE THERE AS HAVING HAD CHILDREN THERE.
SO I'M GOING TO WANT TO HEAR TO HEAR FROM THAT FOR SURE.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE QUITE A DEVELOPMENT.
TO COME UP WITH. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIT ALL THE KIDS IN THERE.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING 30 ACRES.
OKAY. AND TOTALLY REDEFINE HOW WE DO ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE.
IS THAT. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YES.
INTERESTING. OKAY, SO REAL QUICK, I THINK JUST TO KEEP IT ALL IN ORDER, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS CONCLUDE THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR STAFF. THEN LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK TO OUR POINT OF SEEKING FURTHER INFORMATION, LET'S CONSULT ALL OUR RESOURCES, SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE INCLUDED. AND IF WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, FOLLOW UP FOR STAFF TOO.
BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE PROPER TIME TO, TO STATE THEIR CASE AND STATE WHAT THEY'RE GIVEN AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF JUST FILL IN THE HOLES WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S TESTIMONY. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT AND BRING THE APPLICANT UP. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY STAFF AT THIS EXACT TIME? THERE IS. SO I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT 1500 ACRES, IT STARTS AT THIS PURPLE UMU AND IT GOES WEST.
OKAY. THIS WAS ALL APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS BACK.
AND THAT'S THE 15 ACRES IS WHERE THE PROPOSED SCHOOL SITE WILL BE AND SOME PUBLIC SAFETY AREAS.
WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IS THE YELLOW STRIPED AREA TO ADD ON TO THIS PROPERTY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO JUST REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AND DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPERTY HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A SCHOOL SITE. IT'S 133 ACRES ON THE 1500 ACRES, WHICH WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU EVENTUALLY FOR THE ZONING AND THE
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DESIGN. THEN YOU WILL SEE IT THEN. THANK YOU.THANK YOU SO MUCH. JAKE WISE, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT.
BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 2651 WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD.
I DID BRING A HANDOUT THAT I THINK MIGHT HELP CLARIFY SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. IF IT'S OKAY TO APPROACH, PLEASE. I WILL THEN AGAIN MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THESE HANDOUTS.
AND PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THIS THE SITE PLANS THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED AND APPROVED BY STAFF, SO THEY ARE JUST CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT. YES, THAT'S TRUE.
THEY ARE. WE HAVE UNOFFICIAL RENDERINGS, FOLKS.
THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. SIMPLY FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES OF MR. WISE'S PRESENTATION TONIGHT, THAT SHOULDN'T CONFUSE THINGS AT ALL.
THANK YOU, SIR. I'LL GIVE YOU NO SHORT TO. SORRY.
THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OH. HERE'S ONE. OKAY.
THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD A WHILE AGO HAVE SEEN IT.
THIS MASTER PLAN MAY LOOK VERY SIMILAR BECAUSE IT IS A SIMILAR LAYOUT TO LAYOUT TO WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD SAW PREVIOUSLY, WHEN THEY PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY FOR THE UMU FUTURE LAND USE TO THE EAST.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS FIRST PAGE AND AGAIN, JUST TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY MAKE THINGS SIMPLER FOR YOU, THERE'S A BIG RED BOUNDARY LINE TO THE FAR LEFT, WHICH IS TO THE FAR WEST WITH A BLUE BACKGROUND.
THAT IS THE 133 ACRES WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.
AS STAFF HAS EXPLAINED, THAT IS PART OF A MUCH LARGER 1567 ACRE MASTER PLAN, OF WHICH 1134 ACRES ALREADY HAS THE UMU FUTURE LAND USE. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS JUST SIMPLY TO ADD THE 133 ACRES TO THE WEST.
IT IS BIG PART OF A BIG PROJECT. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO IT, SO I THINK I CAN HOPEFULLY ANSWER ALL THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY ANY OF THE PUBLIC'S. BUT TONIGHT'S REQUEST IS JUST FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS BASICALLY PUT A DELAY ON OUR PROJECT.
SELF-IMPOSED DELAY IN ORDER TO ADD THIS 133 ACRES.
THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME, HAD A SMALL KIND OF LITTLE TOWN CENTER THAT WAS GOING TO BE JUST KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE DOWNTOWN LITTLE AREA THAT WOULD BE MOSTLY FED BY THE RESIDENTS AROUND HERE AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEARBY RESIDENTS.
WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD 133 ACRES TO THE WEST.
IT JUST ABOUT GETS US TO I-95. THAT GIVES IT MUCH MORE OF A HIGH VISIBILITY.
AND SO WE DID TAKE THE TIME TO DELAY OUR PROJECT.
WE TOOK THE TIME TO HOLD BACK ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ZONING AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE EASTERN 130 ACRES.
SO WHAT YOU SEE TONIGHT IS A IS A REVISED OVERALL MASTER PLAN THAT CREATES THAT TOWN CENTER TO THE FAR WEST, WHICH IS WITHIN THIS 133 ACRES. IF YOU NOTICE TO THE NORTH ON THIS SCALE, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO READ IT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THERE'S LIKE THREE RECTANGLES CUT OUT.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY KIND OF CENTER OF THE SITE AND I'M COLORBLIND, IF YOU GET THE COLOR WRONG, I APOLOGIZE. THIS KIND OF GREEN AREA RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S THE 30 ACRE SCHOOL SITE.
THEIR NEEDS ARE NOT HIGH SCHOOL IN THIS AREA, BUT THEIR NEEDS ARE K TO EIGHT.
AND I'M SURE MISS BLACK CAN IDENTIFY MORE DETAILS THAN I CAN ABOUT THAT.
SO YES, WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, WE MET WITH THE CITY.
WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
THE SCHOOL SITE. THE FIRE STATION, THE POLICE STATION AND ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS BOARD HAS SEEN LOTUS PALM BAY BEFORE. IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S A 350 ACRE PROJECT.
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IT BROUGHT THE PARKWAY THROUGH THE EAST SIDE OF EMERALD LAKES, DOWN THE VERY EAST SIDE OF LOTUS, TO THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE OF THE 133 ACRES. SO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS 133 ACRES TONIGHT THAT YOU'RE WOULD BE VOTING ON IS WHERE THE PARKWAY EXTENSION COMES TO MIKURU.AND THEN WE PROPOSE TO BRING IT THROUGH OUR PROJECT, AS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
AND AS YOU SEE ON HERE. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WORKING WITH BOTH EMERALD LAKES AND LOTUS TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE PARKWAY, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE UTILITIES AND THE FOUR LANE ROAD.
BUT DEAD ENDS ON THE EAST SIDE. SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE A PARTY TO THIS PROJECT. AND OF COURSE, THE LOTUS PROJECT TO THE NORTH.
AND IF THIS BOARD RECALLS, YOU GUYS DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THAT PROJECT AS WELL.
THAT'S THE SAINT SEBASTIAN RIVER STATE PARK. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THAT TO OUR SOUTH AND WORKING WITH SOME INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR HORSEBACK RIDING AND HIKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. TO THE NORTH ARE EELS PRESERVATION LANDS.
AND SO THAT IS BREVARD COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY AND THAT HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES AND INTERCONNECTIVITY TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THE HORSEBACK RIDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE PROVIDED A LOT OF PUBLIC PARKS.
KIND OF LIKE IF YOU HAVE BOAT RAMPS THOSE TYPES OF PARKING FACILITIES AS WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY PLEASED TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARK SYSTEM, INTERCONNECTED LINEAR TRAILS THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT PROVIDES THAT TRUE KIND OF WALKABLE COMMUNITY THAT STAFF WAS PRESENTING EARLIER, WITH THE TOWN CENTER BEING THAT COMMERCIAL HUB THAT NOW CAN BE UTILIZED BY TRAVELING PUBLIC ON I-95, THE EASIER ACCESS FOR THE REST OF THE PALM BAY RESIDENTS AND FOR THIS AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.
LET'S SEE. SO THIS IS JUST STEP ONE. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT TIMING.
WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS TO GET THE FUTURE LAND USE APPROVED FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
SINCE WE HAVE THE 1400 ACRES ALREADY APPROVED, WE HAVE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING, MET WITH STAFF MULTIPLE TIMES TO SHOW OUR MASTER PLAN VISION.
AND SO WHAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD IN THE FUTURE IF THIS FUTURE LAND USE IS APPROVED, WILL BE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT AND THE ZONING REQUEST.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY YOUR SECOND TIME SEEING IT.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IT A COUPLE MORE TIMES DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE ULTIMATE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.
AS YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE IS TEN CRITERIA.
WE DID MEET ALL THE TEN CRITERIA. I PROMISE I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM ALL UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF APPROVAL.
WE DID PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS, IN MY OPINION, PRETTY JAW DROPPING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL POTENTIAL FOR THIS PROJECT OVERALL. WE ARE COMPLETELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXACT SAME LAND USE TO THE EAST AND WITH THE LAND USE THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THIS BOARD AND COUNCIL TO THE NORTH.
YOU ASKED ABOUT THE DENSITY. YES. THE FUTURE LAND USE ALLOWS 40 WITH SOME BONUSES.
UP TO 50. WE'RE PROPOSING LESS THAN FOUR UNITS AN ACRE FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR 40 OR 50 UNITS PER ACRE AT ALL.
FOR THE OVERALL, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE LOCAL DEVELOPERS TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S A PROPOSED CHARTER SCHOOL COMING, WHICH ALSO KIND OF HELPS BRIDGE THE GAP FOR THE BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, HOPEFULLY WITH THEIR PUBLIC SCHOOL HERE. BUT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL, NOT ON THIS PROJECT, BUT JUST TO THE NORTH AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE IS A SHORTAGE TODAY AND THE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ABLE TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, TYPICALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR SCHOOLS.
SO THAT BEING SAID, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS,
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APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THEM. AND THE OTHER COUPLE OF PAGES THAT WE PROVIDED WERE AGAIN PROVIDED TO STAFF.IT JUST GIVES YOU A COUPLE OF IMAGES OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH 133 ACRES.
AND WE CALL IT THE COFFEE BOOK OF ASHTON PARK.
A COFFEE TABLE BOOK OF ASHTON PARK THAT OUR CLIENT LIKES TO KEEP ON HIS ON HIS DESK.
SO AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
THANK YOU SIR. WE HAVE A QUESTION BY MR.. GOOD.
YEAH. JAKE. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THIS IS PART OF SUCH A MUCH BIGGER COMMUNITY.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S MAINLY A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, BUT WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOME MORE COMMERCIAL? I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS. I SEE WHERE WE HAVE OFF TO THE RIGHT WHERE THIS IS ALREADY PART OF THE THE IT'S ALREADY APPROVED, BUT 392 UNITS ON 15.7 ACRES. I MEAN, THAT'S BUT I'M JUST SPEAKING TO THE DENSITY.
THAT'S WE'RE IT'S ALREADY SLATED TO BUILD RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A WALKABLE PARK. BUT THEN YOU HAVE 645 UNITS GOING ON 47 ACRES, THEN ANOTHER 222 UNIT TOWNHOUSES, AND THEN YOU GOT A LITTLE SLIVER CARVED OUT FOR POLICE AND FIRE I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHY WE KEEP AT LEAST WHAT I HEAR FROM THE BOARD IN THE PAST IS WE KEEP HARPING ON TRYING TO GET SOME MORE COMMERCIAL INTO PALM BAY.
WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT TO THIS PIECE? SO GREAT QUESTION.
COUNCIL ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, SO YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THEM.
WE APPRECIATE THAT. EMERALD LAKES IS THE FOUR QUADRANTS OF THE INTERCHANGE.
IT'S PERMITTED FOR TWO POINT 3,000,000FT². TWO POINT 3,000,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.
THAT IS THE HIGH VISIBILITY, EASY ACCESS MAIN COMMERCIAL HUB OF THIS REGION TO THE SOUTH OF IT.
IT'S GOT A COMMERCIAL CORNER THAT I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS.
IT WAS ABOUT 82,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL, PLUS ANOTHER 18,000 SQUARE FOOT DAYCARE.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST REMOTE PORTION OF THE ENTIRE CITY.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 150 ACRES OF IT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE FINANCIALLY VIABLE.
150 ACRES OF THE 50 OF THE 1500 ACRES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME FILLING THAT UP WITH A DENSITY OF ABOUT 3.7 UNITS AN ACRE FOR THIS PROJECT. HOPING. AND WE ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC AND FEEL GOOD THAT THAT VISIBILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE PARKWAY IN 95 IS GOING TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE IMAGES, YOU CAN SEE IT'S SPECTACULAR.
IT'S A WINTER PARK TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. BUT TO BE THIS FAR REMOTE AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT MUCH VIABLE COMMERCIAL IS THE TOUGHEST PART OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS BEING SUCCESSFUL.
IF YOU LOOK JUST WEST OF EMERALD LAKES IS WATERSTONE AND CYPRESS BAY PRESERVE.
THAT'S 1200 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT, 150 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
SO YOU'VE GOT 150 ACRES WITH THE PUBLIX RIGHT NOW THAT JUST OPENED.
AND THERE'S NOT A PERSON IN THIS ROOM THAT DOESN'T WANT THE COMMERCIAL TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE BUILDINGS THAT ARE EMPTY.
WE WANT TO CREATE JOBS. WE WANT TO CREATE GROWTH.
WE WANT THAT WALKABLE COMMUNITY THAT LIVE HERE, PLAY HERE THING.
SORRY, THAT WAS A LONG WINDED, BUT THERE'S A HUGE, HUGE 4000 PLUS ACRE KIND OF COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE CREATING HERE WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. WE'VE JUST WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF RECENTLY TO PROVIDE AN OVERALL MAP OF THIS WHOLE REGION, SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS OF THIS WHOLE AREA.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YEARS ON THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE CITY HAS JUST SPENT ABOUT $40 MILLION ON PLANT EXPANSIONS.
APRIL OR MAY, THE WASTEWATER PLANT IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTING FLOWS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
EMERALD LAKES IS JUST HOPEFULLY GETTING APPROVAL THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK FOR A UTILITY EXTENSION.
THAT'S ABOUT A $20 MILLION EXTENSION OF UTILITIES.
THIS PROJECT AND THE OTHER PROJECTS WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING.
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INVESTMENT JUST TO GET THE ROADS UTILITIES THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DID DELAY OURSELVES. AND WE DID IT OURSELVES TO PUSH THIS 133 ACRES, TO ADD IT ON TO THE PROJECT, BECAUSE WE DO THINK IT CAN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF VIABLE COMMERCIAL.
THANK YOU SIR. I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AND JUST NOTATE THAT WE OUGHT TO STAY GERMANE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE, AND WE OUGHT TO HEED OUR ADVICE OF OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR IN THE FACT THAT ALTHOUGH THIS IS STRUCTURED VERY MUCH LIKE A SITE PLAN, IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL SITE PLAN. COMMERCIAL COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
ALTHOUGH, OF COURSE MR. WISE TELLS US IT'S NOT GOING TO, BUT THE PLAN REALLY DOESN'T EXIST.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF A KIND OF HARD TO HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US AND IGNORE ITS EXISTENCE.
BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST. WE'RE ONLY TRYING TO DESIGNATE A FUTURE LAND USE, AND AT THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO DESIGNATE A FUTURE LAND USE OF A RELATIVELY SMALL SECTION OF LAND. MY QUESTION STILL STANDS, MR. WISE, ABOUT THE TIMING, BUT MOREOVER, ABOUT THE PARTICULAR FUTURE LAND USE, BECAUSE URBAN IS THE FIRST WORD OF IT. AND AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED, THIS IS ABOUT AS RURAL AND BARREN AND FAR AWAY FROM ANYTHING RELATED TO URBAN, THAT YOU CAN BE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I REALLY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY DUTY TO SAY SO.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY INCREASING IT WITH THIS PROPOSAL, MAKING IT EVEN MORE OF AN URBAN MIXED USE THAN WHAT WAS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY ADDING THE 133 ACRES. SO WE'RE TAKING WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, MAKING IT MORE OF AN URBAN, MIXED USE TYPE OF PROJECT THAN IT WAS. AND IF YOU DO READ, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
I'M SORRY, BUT IF YOU DO READ THAT DEFINITION IN THE COMP PLAN, THIS DOES FIT THAT MOLD.
THAT WAS THE BEST ONE THAT FIT THIS USE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE TO BE 100% COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE TO THE EAST AS PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN, AND THEN COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S TO THE NORTH IF IF YOU GUYS OWN THE LAND AND INCLUDED IT IN THE ANNEXATION.
WHY DIDN'T YOU INCLUDE IT IN THE ORIGINAL LAND USE? AT THE TIME, IT WAS NOT PART OF THE PROJECT. IT CAME UNDER CONTRACT AFTER THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL.
SO HOW DID IT GET ANNEXED INTO THE CITY? THE OTHER LANDOWNER ANNEXED IT SEPARATELY FROM THE PROJECT.
WAS ALREADY ANNEXED? YES, SIR. SO BEFORE THIS PROJECT HAPPENED, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF COUNTY LAND, AND THIS LITTLE PARCEL OF LITTLE OF 130 ACRES HAD ALREADY BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, BUT NEVER GIVEN A LAND USE.
IF I MAY, PLEASE, PLEASE. BECAUSE COUNCIL BROUGHT IT BACK TO OUR ATTENTION WHEN WE BACK IN 2010.
OKAY, 2010, THE WHOLE AREA, MINUS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, WAS DESIGNATED AS A SPECIAL PLANNING AREA IN THE CITY. IT'S IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT WAS. IT WAS DESIGNATED AS A VILLAGE. OKAY.
OKAY. IT WAS ALL DESIGNATED IN THE CITY. BIG, HUGE ORDINANCE IN REGARD TO IT.
THE LAND USE WAS CHANGED TO THIS SPECIAL PLANNING AREA KNOWN AS MIMICO VILLAGE.
I THINK THAT MIGHT MIGHT HELP YOU FIND WHERE WE WERE BEFORE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TODAY.
SO THE CITY BACK IN 2010 HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS AREA TO BE A BIG URBAN USE AREA.
I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH EMERALD LAKES.
I THINK IT'S ONE POINT. I WAS ON THE DRI COMMITTEE.
IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. WAS IT EMERALD CITY OR SOMETHING TO THAT? IT HAD A DIFFERENT NAME ORIGINALLY A DIFFERENT LANDOWNER. I'M DATING MYSELF.
THIS LAND WASN'T ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AT THAT TIME YET, THOUGH.
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THIS TINY ONE. 133 ACRES. NO, SIR. SO ALL OF ALL OF THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A HIGH, INTENSE URBAN AREA, BUT AT THE TIME IT WAS KNOWN AS MITCHELL VILLAGE.OKAY. SO THEN BACK IN. OH, LORD, WHEN WAS IT? JAKE? WHEN THE LAND USE WAS CHANGED TO YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
OH, NO. IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS. NO. 23. THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT. IT'S RECENT. IT'S NOT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO THAT'S WHERE. THAT'S WHERE ALL MY MY CONFUSION COMES IN IS.
HOW DID THIS LAND END UP IN THE CITY? WAY BEFORE THE WHOLE PROJECT DID.
LIKE, I LITERALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT. LIKE, I'M NOT QUESTIONING IT, BUT I'M QUESTIONING IT.
OH, NO. ALL THE LAND WAS ALREADY IN THE CITY AND IT WAS LAND USE.
THIS WHOLE PROJECT GOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
OH, AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IN THE RECENT PAST.
NO, THE THE THE WHOLE. THE ONLY AREAS THAT GOT RECENTLY ANNEXED IN WERE THESE AREAS TO THE NORTH HERE, NORTH OF MICCO ROAD. YEAH. SO MICCO ROAD COMES RIGHT HERE.
ALL OF THIS WAS ALREADY IN THE CITY. JUST THE 300 ACRES WAS ANNEXED IN RECENTLY.
IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY FOR A WHILE. ALL UNDERSTOOD.
SO THE OTHER STUFF SOUTH OF MICCO ROAD WAS ANNEXED IN THE CITY LONG AGO.
CORRECT. THE BIG PROPOSITION. AND NOW THAT I SEE THE HOUSE, I REMEMBER THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
THAT NORTH PORTION WAS ANNEXED IN SO SOUTH, INCLUDING THE PURPLE.
NOW, YOU GUYS JUST TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY RELATIVELY RECENTLY.
WANT TO ADD IT TO THE PROJECT? IT'S UNDER CONTRACT.
THEY DON'T HAVE IT. UNDERSTOOD. MIGHT NOT BE INTERESTED IF THEY CAN'T CHANGE THE LAND USE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO JUST TO BRING IT ALL FULL CIRCLE AND RESTATE TO MAKE SURE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE.
THE REASON THAT YOU NEED TO DESIGNATE THE LAND USE NOW IS IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE SITE PLANNING, AS ON THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SITE PLAN TO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOW. YEAH, CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW IT HAS THE 133 ACRES AS THE COUNTY LAND USE.
WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY LAND USE, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE CITY LAND USE THAT OF COURSE, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH OUR MASTER PLAN VISION.
UNDERSTOOD. I'VE GAINED THE CLARITY I WAS SEEKING.
ARE THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE BOARD? NONE AT THIS TIME.
SO THANK YOU, MR.. WISE HANG TIGHT FOR ANY REBUTTALS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A LETTER IN THE CASE PERTAINING TO THIS FILE.
IT'S AN EMAIL EXCHANGE. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? GOOD QUESTION SIR. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. THE BIGGEST QUESTION OR OPPOSITION THAT I HAVE WITH THIS IS THE TIME FRAME THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO GET TO THIS POINT. WE'RE TALKING YEARS AND YEARS.
WE'RE TALKING IN SOME CASES. WE'RE GOING BACK TO MICRO VILLAGE.
SO THAT WAS EVEN BEFORE 2010. AND YET WE'RE STILL LOOKING NOW LIKE, WELL, WHERE IS THE CONNECTION FROM THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY TO MICO ROAD? WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THIS. WE'VE WATCHED THE EXPANSION OF THE POPULATION.
WE'VE HAD THE EXPENSE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE EXPENSE ONTO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE'VE YET TO SEE THE CONNECTION OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY COMING INTO MICO ROAD, WHICH WAS THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE BIG THING WAS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY EXPANSION ONTO SAINT JOHN'S.
WELL THAT'S GREAT. YOU'RE COMING DOWN. YOU CAN GET ONTO MICO ROAD. MICO ROAD HAS TO BE EXPANDED INTO ALL THE WAY OVER TO BABCOCK STREET AND TO THE EAST ALSO. SO IT HAS TO BE FOUR LANES. YET THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW GOOD THIS IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE TO THE NORTH OF MICO ROAD. WELL, THAT MEANS THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO CROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO USE THE RESOURCES JUST FOR FUN THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NOW, WHY RUN THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY PARALLEL TO THIS 130 ACRES, RIGHT PARALLEL TO IT, DOWN TO NOWHERE. THEY'RE THEY'RE SAYING, OH, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN CONNECTED TO THE INTERSTATE YET ON THAT SIDE.
WHY RUN IT THROUGH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT? I HAVE NO IDEA.
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MY FIRST COMPLAINT WITH NEXT ITEM WITH THIS ONE IS LET'S DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTS UNTIL THEY GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPLETED.NO RESIDENTS CAN MOVE IN. THIS IS A SIMPLE REQUEST.
THEN LET THE RESIDENTS MOVE IN. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE GET INCOME OR REVENUE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
THE RESIDENTS MOVE IN, BUT WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT COINCIDES WITH IT.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE COMING. WE'RE TALKING, IN ONE CASE, 15,000 NEW RESIDENTS COMING IN WITH THE RESIDENT, WITH THE WITH THE ROAD SYSTEM AS IT IS NOW.
BECAUSE WE MAY NEVER SEE THE COMPLETED INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S 15,000 NEW RESIDENTS. SO MY ADVICE TO THE BOARD IS NO REZONING EQUALS NO NEW TRAFFIC INCREASE. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING THE PROBLEM WITH, THEN THAT'S THAT'LL BE A SIMPLE SOLUTION.
DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING. WE WON'T HAVE THE WE WON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC INCREASE.
THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS, WE'RE MAKING COMPARISONS FROM THIS, THIS BUILD ALONE. BUT DON'T FORGET WE ALSO HAVE WHAT'S IN A SENTARA COMING IN POSSIBLY WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED.
SENTARA WITH THE COUNTY IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE INDIVIDUAL LITTLE PLOTS, WHEN I SAY LITTLE 130 ACRES OR MORE, THINK OF ALL THE OTHER LITTLE PLOTS THAT ARE ALL TRYING TO BE PUSHED INTO THAT GENERAL LOCATION AT THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND MICO ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT THERE THAN JUST THIS 130 ACRES.
RIGHT. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING.
YOU WON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC INCREASE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY GET THAT.
GET THAT DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST? YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. PAT DAPPER, 410 GEORGE'S AVENUE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON BILL BATTEN.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I RESPECT JAKE WISE.
HE'S ALWAYS TRYING TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY.
BUT AT THIS TIME I WILL AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE CHANGING THE ZONING.
WE HAD A SEVERAL WORKSHOPS ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND WE SET THE ZONES.
AND WHY ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE THEM? WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM, SO WE NEED TO GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE STRUCTURE SQUARED AWAY BEFORE WE ADD MORE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT IS COMPLAINING.
THE CITIZENS ARE COMPLAINING THAT THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING TO THEIR CITY.
IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER FLORIDA. SO ARE WE GOING TO LOOK LIKE SOUTH FLORIDA OR ORLANDO AREA? I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE THAT. AND UNLESS WE GET OUR ROADS SQUARED AWAY, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AND PROBABLY AN HOUR AND A HALF SITTING IN TRAFFIC JUST ON MALABAR ROAD AND BABCOCK. IT'S GETTING RIDICULOUS.
I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEE SMALL PARCELS OF LAND IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES, PUTTING IN DENSE, HIGHER DENSITY IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE TRAFFIC.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT.
MA'AM, I'LL ASK YOU TO STAY GERMANE TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHICH I'LL REMIND YOU AND THE REST OF THE BOARD AND THE REST OF THE PUBLIC IS ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. OKAY.
SO STOP THE ZONING. REZONING. THAT'S ALL. FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE.
YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. MR. WISE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? I WAS FEVERISHLY TAKING NOTES. I THINK I CAN HIT ALL THE MARKS I HEARD.
HER TIME FRAME. THIS IS A TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT.
PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED A LONG TIME AGO. IT DOESN'T HAVE A CITY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
SO NOTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH A PROPERTY UNTIL IT HAS A CITY.
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FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.TONIGHT IS JUST THE WESTERN 133 ACRES. THIS PROJECT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THE PARKWAY.
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. SO IT HAS TO EXTEND THE PARKWAY.
IT HAS TO EXTEND THE UTILITIES, OR THERE IS NO PROJECT.
THE PARKWAY TO THE WEST OF THE INTERCHANGE TO BABCOCK STREET WAS BUILT BY THE CITY.
THIS WILL BE 100% DEVELOPER DRIVEN DOLLARS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTMENT, UNLESS THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A ZONING AND A LAND USE AND SOME TYPE OF A MASTER PLAN THAT IS APPROVED, AND THEY CAN'T GET THE FIRST CO WITHOUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN.
WE CAN'T GET A CO WITHOUT THE EXTENSION OF THE ROADS AND THE PARKWAY.
WE WON'T GET A PERMIT FOR IT. SO THAT IS THE STEP BY STEP PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
SO THIS IS JUST STEP ONE. AND THEN ALL OF OUR SUBMITTALS, EVERYTHING WE DO IS PUBLIC RECORD.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW.
SUNTERRA ANOTHER PROJECT CALLED ROLLING MEADOWS.
SO WE ARE MASTER PLANNING THIS WHOLE REGION TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS, WHETHER THEY BE IN THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, ARE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PROVIDED UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ON OTHER CITY ROADS, PORTIONS OF BABCOCK MALABAR ROAD. THOSE ROADS ARE, ARE NEED TO BE WIDENED.
WE KNOW THAT THEY NEED MORE CAPACITY. BUT THIS ISN'T THAT SITUATION.
THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THEIR OWN ROADS AND PROVIDE THEIR OWN IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT TALKED ABOUT WIDENING BABCOCK AND WIDENING MICCO ROAD.
THOSE TYPES OF HUGE OTHER PROJECTS WOULD NOT BE 100% NEEDED.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE ON THE 133 ACRES, WHICH RIGHT NOW HAS A COUNTY DESIGNATION. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A BIG PICTURE MASTER PLAN FOR NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, BUT THE WHOLE REGION. AND THE CITY HAS BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH US ON ALL OF THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE POLICE AND FIRE STATIONS. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE 30 ACRE SCHOOL SITE.
SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS.
BOARD MEMBERS, AFTER HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE, ARE THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING THAT WE'VE BEEN AFFORDED. I I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT THE SCHOOL 30 ACRES WAS A PIECE OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO AND I AM ENCOURAGED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT. YEAH, I SEE IT.
AND I'M ENCOURAGED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE SCHOOLS JUST THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE ON BOARD AND THEY'RE SIGNING OFF ON ALL THIS. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. FOR YOUR PROJECT.
I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT, MR. CHAIR. JUST MY FEELINGS.
I JUST I THINK IT'S A IT'S JUST THE DENSITY IS IS VERY HIGH.
I THINK IT'S ALSO KIND OF ODD THAT WE HAVE THIS PLANNED ON THIS NEW SITE.
WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN POLICE AND FIRE.
WELL WE'RE PUTTING IN THESE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF UNITS ALL OVER IN THIS OTHER AREA.
AND NO ONE THOUGHT OF POLICE AND FIRE. AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I JUST WOULD RATHER I THINK SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ECHO MY OWN THOUGHTS THAT THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST SLOW DOWN BEFORE WE START, KEEP APPROVING THESE HIGH DENSITY TYPE AREA PROJECTS.
THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THAT WAS A FORM OF QUESTION.
I CAN ANSWER IT. WELL, YOU KNOW, I TOOK IT MORE AS A STATEMENT, AND I WAS GOING TO I REALIZED, YOU KNOW, MR. WISE, I'M GOING TO LET YOU SIT AND SEE IF ANYONE DOES PULL YOU UP FOR A QUESTION.
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THANK YOU. MR.. GOOD FOR THE FEEDBACK. MY INTERPRETATION OF OF WHAT YOU SAID OF, AGAIN, THESE ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY PURPOSE DRAWINGS IS THAT WITH THIS NEWFOUND LAND, THIS NEWFOUND OPPORTUNITY TO TO PUSH OFF THE, THE RESOURCES TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND, AND ADD MORE HOUSES ON THE OTHER LOCATION. BUT THAT AGAIN, ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES.SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO. IS THERE OTHER FEEDBACK QUESTIONS OR MAYBE EVEN A MOTION PERTAINING TO THIS CASE? MR. CHAIR? YES. WHERE ARE WE GOING? TO HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD REP.
WELL, SIR AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT WE COULD VET THEM.
BUT LOOKING AT THIS CASE AND LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE, I QUESTION STRONGLY HOW GERMANE SPEAKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL IS TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS THAT GIVEN THAT WE ONLY HAVE TO DECIDE THE LAND USE ISSUE TODAY? YES. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. MR.. WARNER, ANY FEEDBACK? MOTION QUESTION? WELL, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. WISE, BUT KEEPING IT GERMANE TO THIS TO TO THE TO THE LAND USE IT WAS MR. WISE. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS WILL BE WITH THIS 133, WE'RE MOVING IT OVER TO, TO THE CONSISTENT TO WHAT WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT HERE FOR THE FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THE WITH THE PURPLE SHADE OF THE CONCEPTUAL WE WE WERE BECAUSE IF I, IF I REMEMBER THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECT SOMEWHAT WE HAD A TOWN CENTER ON THE PREVIOUS YOU NOW YOU'RE JUST EXTENDING IT OUT TO THE EXTENDED 133. YEAH. PREVIOUSLY KIND OF IN THE CENTER HERE.
WE HAD A SMALL TOWN CENTER. RIGHT. AND THEN WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND TO THE 133 ACRES AND WITH THE BETTER ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE PARKWAY AND THE VISIBILITY TO I-95, IT'S JUST GROWN DRAMATICALLY BIGGER. SO IT'S CREATING A TRUE DOWNTOWN DESTINATION.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SIR? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON.
BUT WE COULD WE COULD APPROVE THE LAND USE, AND THEY COULD PUT HOUSES ALL THE WAY CLOSE TO 95 AND THEIR TOWN CENTER IN A DIFFERENT CORNER BY THE TIME THEY COME FOR SITE PLAN, BECAUSE SOME STUDY TOLD THEM TO, OR MAYBE THEY FOUND SOME COQUINA ROCK SOMEWHERE AND THEY WANT TO DIG A DITCH INSTEAD. THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. BUT GERMANE TO THE CASE IS THE LAND USE OF 133 ACRES. ARE WE GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS, THIS, THIS PARCEL OF LAND INTO THE CITY? ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY FOR A WHILE IN THE FORMALITY OF A LAND USE AT THIS TIME? AND IS THAT LAND USE GOING TO BE URBAN MIXED USE.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN A CHANGE. IT'S A DESIGNATION.
AND IS THAT DESIGNATION GOING TO BE URBAN MIXED USE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST TO.
GOSH, I WANT TO SAY THIS WRONG. MAKE THE LAND USE.
YOU. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. GIVE OR TAKE.
MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT MR. KARAFFA JUST MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.
KQP 24 00010. DO I HEAR A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND BY MR. MCLEOD. AGAIN, THAT'S TO RECOMMEND KQP 2400010.
RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. MOTION BY MR. COCKCROFT IS SECONDED BY MR. MCLEOD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR.. YES, YES. ONE, ONE FINAL QUESTION. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE UMU, AND AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT PART. BUT YOU KEPT SAYING THAT THE.
CAN YOU EXERCISE TODAY? OKAY. NO PROBLEM. I'M HAPPY TO.
JUST, JUST JUST REAL QUICK, JAKE. YOU YOU KEPT YOU KEPT IDENTIFYING AND SAYING THAT IT WOULD IT WOULD JUST KILL THE PROJECT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WERE SAYING IT WOULD KILL THE PROJECT. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE PROJECT OR.
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WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TWO THAT WE JUST THAT WE JUST APPROVED? IN 23, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARKWAY. THE PARKWAY.PARKWAY IS THE CRITICAL PART OF THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PARKWAY EXTENSION IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS A VIABLE PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT VIABLE TO COME OFF OF BABCOCK STREET, GO UP OVER I-95, DOWN MICCO ROAD.
IT'S JUST NOT VIABLE. YOU ASKED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL, WHY THERE WASN'T MORE.
THE PARKWAY IS WHAT MAKES THIS COMMERCIAL VIABLE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THE PROJECT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
SAME WITH LOTUS. WE SAID THE EXACT SAME THING AT THAT TIME FOR LOTUS.
AND THEN YEARS AND YEARS AGO, WE DID EMERALD LAKES.
SAME THING. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CORRIDOR IN ORDER TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND MAKE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE ROADS WORK AND MICCO AND BABCOCK BY THEMSELVES.
HOW THEY EXIST TODAY WON'T WORK. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THE CLARITY, JAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE.
MR.. GOOD. NAY. MR.. KARAFFA. YAY! MR. MCLEOD.
YEAH. MR. OLSZEWSKI. I MR. WARNER. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.
SO THAT MOTION PASSED. THANK YOU, MISS PAL. THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 1.
RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. JUST FOR YOUR EDIFICATION.
THIS IS A LARGE SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT. SO FROM P AND Z, IT THEN GOES TO CITY COUNCIL TO BE FOR TRANSMITTAL HEARING WHERE THEY WILL AGREE TO TRANSMIT OR NOT THIS LAND USE CHANGE UP TO THE STATE.
SO WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE CHANGES TO GO FOR THIS THIS LAND USE.
THANK YOU. I QUITE APPRECIATE THAT ADDITIONAL TEXTURE, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. 7:52 P.M.
YOU AND I DISAGREE ON. YEAH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.