Feb 20, 2025 Council Meetings - Regular

[CALL TO ORDER:]

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SO. GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING 202 5-05 TO ORDER. THE INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY JOSEPH WON, TRINITY HAITIAN BAPTIST CHURCH.

ARE YOU HERE? JOSEPH? JOSEPH. YOU KNOW HIS JOSEPH WON HERE.

OKAY, THEN THE INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY PASTOR MARK MILLER.

THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY COUNCILMAN CHANDLER LANGEVIN.

PLEASE RISE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. BE READY IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON.

AMEN. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH A HEART OF THANKSGIVING AND EVEN PRAISE ON OUR LIPS.

FOR JUST A GLORIOUS DAY AND A GLORIOUS NATION.

AND EVEN WITH THE DIFFICULTIES AND THE BEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU THAT WE CAN GATHER HERE IN FREEDOM.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO COME TOGETHER AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY AND TO OFFER UP OUR OPINIONS.

TONIGHT, LORD, WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE TO PREVAIL.

WE ASK YOU TO TO LEAD US, GUIDE US, AND DIRECT US IN THE WAY WE SHOULD GO.

FOCUSING ON LOVE. LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER, FATHER, AND JUST LOVE FOR JUST YOUR AMAZING GRACE AND MERCY IN OUR LIFE.

LORD BLESS THIS COUNCIL. BLESS THIS MEETING. BLESS THIS CITY AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THOSE WHO WORK TO MAKE PALM BAY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, GROW AND SERVE. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HURRAH! SO THANK YOU, PASTOR MARK, FOR BEING IN SEASON. ROLL CALL, MADAM JONES. MAYOR MEDINA.

PRESENT. DEPUTY. MAYOR. JAFFE. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. PRESENT.

COUNCILMAN. LANGEVIN. PRESENT. MR.. MORGAN. PRESENT.

MISS SMITH. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE? THERE IS A DECORUM IN THESE CHAMBERS. AND I AM EXPECTING OF IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. AND THANK YOU FOR RESPECTING OTHERS AS THEY SPEAK.

DEPUTY MAYOR. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY

[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]

BANKING INDUSTRY. RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING. ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN HOMEBUILDING OR FOR PROFIT PROVIDER POSITIONS.

ANYONE WISHING TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS CAN APPLY ONLINE AT PALM BAY FLORIDA.

ORG OR CONTACT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AT 9523414.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. MR. MORGAN. AGENDA REVISIONS.

[AGENDA REVISIONS:]

THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT ESTIMATE WAS $99,198.

THE CORRECTED INVOICE FROM THE CONSULTANT, BASED UPON ACTUAL HOURS SPENT, IS $564, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THE LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM IN THE PACKET.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. MORGAN. MADAM SMITH, ANY REVISIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY.

WE'RE NOW ON PROCLAMATIONS.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]

WELCOME. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO CALL UP SAMANTHA NAZARIO.

SO THIS PROCLAMATION IS REGARDING BLEEDING DISORDERS AWARENESS MONTH, MARCH 2025.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS BLEEDING DISORDERS THAT INCLUDE HEMOPHILIA OR VON WILLEBRAND DISEASE AND RARE BLEEDING DISORDERS ARE CHARACTERIZED

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WHEREAS IN THE UNITED STATES, MORE THAN 20,000 INDIVIDUALS LIVE WITH HEMOPHILIA AND A RARE BLEEDING DISORDERS, WITH 6000 OF THEM LIVING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND 1 TO 2% OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION HAVE VON WILLEBRAND DISEASE. AND WHILE TREATMENT CAN HELP, THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT YET CURABLE.

WHEREAS SYMPTOMS OF BLEEDING DISORDER INCLUDE UNEXPLAINED AND EXCESSIVE BLEEDING, LARGE OR DEEP BRUISING, NOSEBLEEDS, BLEEDING INTO JOINTS, MUSCLES AND SOFT TISSUES.

AND IF SOMEONE HAS A BLEEDING DISORDER, THEY MAY HAVE EXTENDED BLEEDING WITH INCIDENCES SUCH AS AN INJURY OR TRAUMA, MENSTRUATION, SURGERY OR DENTAL PROCEDURES. AND WHEREAS, THE BLEEDING DISORDER FOUNDATION OF FLORIDA, FOUNDED IN 1996, SUPPORTS THE BLEEDING DISORDER COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND ITS MISSION IS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE WITH CONDITIONS AND THEIR FAMILIES THROUGH EDUCATION, INFORMATION AND REFERRAL SERVICES, ADVOCACY, SUPPORT AND RESEARCH, AND ANNUALLY ORGANIZATION HOSTS FIVE-K AND FUN WALKS WITH OTHER EVENTS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE COMMUNITY AND NEEDED FUNDING FOR RESEARCH AND SUPPORT SERVICES.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, ABRAHAM MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 2025 AS BLEEDING DISORDERS AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO INCREASE THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS OF THE SERIOUS BLEEDING DISORDERS AND THANK THE EFFORTS OF HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND THE BLEEDING DISORDERS FOUNDATION OF FLORIDA AND THE NATIONAL BLEEDING DISORDERS FOUNDATION ORGANIZATION FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO IMPROVE TREATMENTS AND ULTIMATELY FIND A CURE. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I SET MY RIGHT HAND AND I LIKE TO SAY MY RIGHT HAND, AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS 20TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2025.

SAMANTHA. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR BLEEDING DISORDERS THROUGHOUT OUR STATE AND OUR NATION.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA NAZARIO, AND EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT A PALM BAY RESIDENT, I DO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK PALM BAY AND THEIR COUNCIL.

PALM BAY IS OUR LONGEST RUNNING COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP IN BREVARD COUNTY.

THIS IS OUR SEVENTH PROCLAMATION, AND FOR MOST PEOPLE SITTING IN HERE, I'M SURE 99% OF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A BLEEDING DISORDER IS.

WELL GUESS WHAT? BACK IN THE 1990S, AT THE HEIGHT OF THE AIDS CRISIS, THE BLEEDING DISORDER COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER AND FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO TEST ALL BLOOD PRODUCTS. SO IF YOU'VE EVER HAD A MAJOR SURGERY, EVER NEEDED A BLOOD TRANSFUSION, ANY KIND OF PLATELET OR BLOOD PRODUCT, GUESS WHAT? THE BLEEDING DISORDER COMMUNITY SAVED YOUR LIFE IN 1999 WITH WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS THE RICKY RAY LAW, THE BLEEDING DISORDER COMMUNITY ALSO SUFFERS, LIKE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, FROM EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE MEDICAL TREATMENT.

MY SON'S MEDICATION HAS NO GENERIC AND ONE DOSE IS $16,000.

WE LIVE IN BREVARD COUNTY. WE KNOW NO PARENT IN THIS PLACE IS MAKING A COPAY OF $2,100 A MONTH.

NO MATTER HOW AND WHERE YOU WORK OR HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE.

THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE STAKE IN THE GAME ON ON A TALLAHASSEE LEVEL.

WE KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE DISORGANIZATION AS FAR AS BREVARD'S REPRESENTATION GOES, BUT I WILL SAY IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE CONSTITUENTS. THEY WORK FOR YOU. THEY ARE HERE TO REPRESENT YOU AND WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR COMMUNITY.

I SAY THIS BECAUSE EVEN AT A TIME WHERE BREVARD DOESN'T HAVE MUCH STAKE IN THE GAME IN TALLAHASSEE, GUESS WHAT? YOUR REPRESENTATIVES LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO IF YOU HAVE A CHILD WITH DIABETES, ASTHMA, YOU'VE EVER HAD COVID, THE ACA IS AS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS IT IS TO ME.

THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT PROTECTS EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM.

I IMPLORE YOU TO REACH OUT TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES.

GOOGLE BLEEDING DISORDERS AWARENESS OUR EVENTS ARE FREE ALL YEAR LONG AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE THANK PALM BAY FOR OUR PARTNERSHIP AND WE ARE SO BLESSED TO LIVE IN A COUNTY LIKE BREVARD WHERE AWARENESS MATTERS.

THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.

ANYTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK.

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WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC COMMENTS. DEPUTY MAYOR. MARK MILLER.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

JUST TWO QUICK POINTS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO JUST SEND OUT A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE SHOUT OF THANKS TO OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, SCOTT MORGAN. A COUPLE, COUPLE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO.

I ASKED YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PROVEN ALL THIS GROWTH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT WAS ALREADY UNDERWAY.

AND WHERE ARE WE AT WITH OUR ROAD PLAN? RIGHT.

WHERE'S OUR ACCELERATED ROAD PLAN? TO GET CAUGHT UP TO THE GROWTH THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED, MUCH LESS WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO YOU? WELL, YOU REMEMBER THAT COMMENT? I HAPPENED TO BE AT PALM BAY CITY HALL FOR SOMETHING ELSE WE RAN IN.

HE REMEMBERED MAN. HE TOLD ME HE WAS GETTING SOME INFORMATION AND AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, HE ACTUALLY GAVE ME SOME INFORMATION THAT I HAD ASKED FOR.

AND MAN, WHAT A BLESSING TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND TO FOLLOW UP, ESPECIALLY IN AN INTERIM ROLE.

AND I KNOW IT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR ME OR ANYTHING, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT QUESTION AND ACTED ON IT JUST MEANT THE WORLD TO ME.

IT SHOWS THE INTEGRITY AND THE CHARACTER THAT HE HAS, YOU KNOW, FILLING IN.

SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ON THE BAD NEWS, THE INFORMATION SHOWED IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE FIXED IN MY LIFETIME, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PROBLEM, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S NOT ON HIM.

THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO SAY REAL QUICK, IN MY ONE MINUTE AND 45 SECONDS LEFT IS WE HAVE AN AWESOME EVENT SPONSORED BY A GROUP CALLED KICKING BEAR. IT'S A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION.

IT'S COMING UP ON SATURDAY, APRIL THE 5TH. IT'S OPEN UP TO ALL KIDS AGE 5 TO 16.

THEY COME OUT, THEY SHOOT BB, BB, GUNS, ARCHERY, AX THROWING, ARTS AND CRAFTS, ALL KINDS OF REALLY COOL STUFF THAT THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY GET TO DO. IT INCLUDES A MEAL. IT'S FROM 1 TO 7, SO I JUST WANTED TO INVITE ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING, ANYBODY WHO'S HERE, AND CERTAINLY YOU GUYS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR KIDS, YOUR GRANDKIDS, YOUR WHOMEVER TO COME ON OUT.

TOTALLY FREE EVENT. IT'S AT. IT'S AT OUR CHURCH.

VICTORY IN CHRIST JESUS MINISTRIES. 2865 JUPITER BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY RIGHT DIRECTLY BEHIND HERE ON JUPITER BOULEVARD.

SO IF IT'S AN APPROACH BENCH, I'LL GIVE YOU THIS.

I'LL PASS IT OUT, SIR. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

THANK YOU. OKAY. BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO COME ON OUT AND DO SOMETHING THEY DON'T NORMALLY GET TO DO, RIGHT. GET THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE AND OFF THE X-BOX AND LET THEM HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUN AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TODAY.

YOU CAN PASS THE REST OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR.

THAT IS. THAT'S IT. 30S. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE THAT YOUNG MAN ONE OF THOSE FLOWERS.

I'M GOING TO THANK YOU NEXT SPEAKER, LANCE FISHER.

LANCE FISHER, 130 MILE ROAD. DEPUTY CHIEF PALM BAY PD, RETIRED.

FIRST, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU ALL. I TOLD YOU LAST, LAST COUNCIL THAT I PROVIDE YOU WITH A PACKET TO SUPPORT MY STATEMENTS THAT I PROVIDED OVER THE PAST YEAR. AFTER HEARING THE MAYOR MEDINA SPEAK AT THE CLOSURE OF THE MEETING, I DECIDED I'M WASTING MY TIME ADDRESSING THE CITY STAFF AND THIS COUNCIL.

I'VE BEEN SPEAKING OUT SINCE MAY 1ST IN REGARD TO THE CULTURE AND DIRECTION THAT CHIEF AGUILAR HAS TAKEN THIS AGENCY TO HEAR THE MAYOR SAY PALM BAY PD QUOTE, BEING LED BY AN OUTSTANDING POLICE CHIEF THAT HAS GARNERED, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AN INDIVIDUAL COMING UP HERE TO SAY BAD THINGS TO HIM.

WELL, CHIEF, I'M PROUD OF YOU. THIS COUNCIL IS PROUD OF YOU.

FIRST, I HAVE A RANK AND A NAME. DEPUTY CHIEF LANCE FISHER, PALM BAY PD RETIRED.

I REFUSE TO HIDE BEHIND ANONYMOUS LETTERS AND FAKE SOCIAL MEDIA PROFILES LIKE CHIEF AND HIS COMMAND STAFF.

MAYOR, THE BAD THINGS I'VE SAID ARE TRUE, AND WE WILL AGREE THEY ARE BAD MAYORS.

I'M NOT SOME BADGE BUNNY WHO THINKS THEY ARE A COP BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A FEW RIDE ALONGS.

I'VE BLED, SWEAT, CRIED, LAUGHED WITH THESE MEN AND WOMEN.

WE DO AGREE THAT THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS AN OUTSTANDING ORGANIZATION. WHERE WE DISAGREE IS THAT I'M NOT PROUD THAT I WAS PART OF WHAT THIS LEADERSHIP TEAM HAS CREATED UNDER CHIEF AJELLO. I'M NOT PROUD. PROUD THAT WE'VE PARALYZED OUR CITIZENS.

BROKEN BONES, STOLE MONEY, WRITTEN FALSE POLICE REPORTS, VIOLATED OUR OWN POLICIES ON USE OF FORCE REPORTS.

I'M NOT PROUD THAT THE CHIEF OPENLY LIED TO THE MEDIA AND TO THIS COUNCIL ABOUT WHEN BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE WAS VIEWED BY HIS TRAINING STAFF, SO I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL A CHANCE TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LIKE I HAVE.

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SPEAK TO OFFICERS. DO ANYTHING TO VALIDATE OR TO DISMISS WHAT I'M SAYING.

YET, MAYOR, YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING EXCEPT BLASPHEMY AT THIS PODIUM.

IRONICALLY, I LISTENED TO YOUR FORK TONGUED SPEAK LAST COUNCIL.

YOU SAT ON YOUR HIGH HORSE LAST COUNCIL TO ADMONISH ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER AND SAID THESE REMARKS, AND I QUOTE MY SPEECH WILL ALWAYS LIFT YOU, LIFT YOU UP.

IT WILL NOT TEAR DOWN. I'VE LEARNED THAT WITH WORDS THEY HAVE SUCH POWER THEY CAN INDEMNIFY AND BUILD PEOPLE UP.

MAYOR. TO NOVEMBER 25TH. AT THE SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, YOU INTERRUPTED ME.

RAISE YOUR VOICE, ATTACKED ME AND BECAME ARGUMENTATIVE.

YOU WERE HOSTILE, REPEATING. I'M TELLING YOU, I'M TELLING YOU. I'M TIRED OF YOU.

YOU TRY TO SILENCE MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT THIS PODIUM, BUT I DIDN'T FALTER.

DON'T CONDEMN ONE COUNCILMAN FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR WHEN YOU'VE REPEATEDLY DONE WORSE.

I HAVE BEGUN TO TELL MY STORY TO EVERY MEDIA OUTLET.

CITIZEN INVESTIGATIVE AGENCY THAT HAS REACHED OUT.

I NO LONGER CARE IF YOU LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE YOUR CITIZENS ARE.

I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO TELL MY STORY OVER AND OVER, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ANOTHER FEDERAL AGENCY HAS TO TAKE UP SPACE AND CLEAN UP YOUR MESS, BECAUSE YOU'VE REFUSED. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL CHIEF DEPUTY CHIEF SPEARS, MAYOR PATRICIA SMITH, ERIC MESSENGER, PAM SPIVEY, LAURA CLAWSON, CHIEF STOVER, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, COMMANDER NIKKI, COMMANDER SHANE MARTINS, CLIFF GRAVES, NICK ZANCO, VIRGINIA KILMER, AND SO MANY MORE HAVE TO RAISE THEIR RIGHT HANDS TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. MAYOR, THAT DAY WILL COME AND YOU WILL REGRET YOUR WORDS. PATRICIA SMITH CRINGES WHEN YOU SPEAK BECAUSE YOU ONLY PROVE WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.

THIS COUNCIL IS PROUD OF THEIR CHIEF, WHO'S UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THEIR OWN CITY AND LEADS THE DEPARTMENT UNDER FIVE FEDERAL LAWSUITS AND SEVEN OFFICERS.

IF I'M COUNTING CORRECTLY, IT'S TIME FOR CHIEF AJELLO, DEPUTY CHIEF SPEARS AND COMMAND STAFF TO RESIGN.

TAKE THE TAKE THE DONALD TRUMP RESIGNATION. MR..

MR.. MORGAN. MR.. MORGAN THERE WAS SOME ALLEGATIONS THERE REGARDING THE CHIEF.

ARE YOU ABLE TO CLARIFY THE INVESTIGATIVE PORTION OF THAT, OR IS THAT A QUESTION MORE DIRECTED TOWARD PATRICIA SMITH? YEAH, I THINK THE THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE HAVE BEEN I'VE BEEN HERE 12 WEEKS AND I'VE HEARD SOME WERE PRIOR, BUT I'VE HEARD THOSE THINGS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO ACTIVE INVESTIGATION OF OUR POLICE CHIEF.

THANK YOU. I CAN FORWARD YOU THE EMAIL. THANK YOU. MADAM SMITH, IS THERE AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION OUT THERE, MA'AM? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT.

NEXT SPEAKER. BUTCH. AND.

BUTCH. AROUND 219 TRENTON AVENUE. THE CITY IS ALWAYS HIRING.

WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY. WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY. I GET MY TRASH AND WASTE BILL.

IT'S COMING OUT OF A TAMPA, FLORIDA. WE HAVE NO ONE IN THE CITY THAT CAN PUT THOSE BILLS TOGETHER AND MAIL THEM OUT.

SECOND THING, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE IN CONTROL OF THIS COUNCIL WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE BEING HELD.

LAST COUNCIL, YOU NEED TO START MY CLOCK. LAST COUNCIL, A COUNCILMAN CALLED A CITIZEN TO THE PODIUM AND ADDRESSED HER. NO ONE ON THIS COUNCIL CALLED A POINT OF ORDER.

IT HAPPENED SO QUICK I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET UP AND DO IT.

I ALSO DIDN'T HAVE THE LAST THREE MINUTES OF THE MEETING TO ADDRESS THAT WITH YOU GUYS.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE IN CONTROL.

CITY OF PALM BAY HAS A CODE OF ETHICS. IT'S REFERENCED IN FLORIDA STATE CHAPTER 112, PART THREE AND CODE OF ETHICS FOR PALM BAY, PAGE 61. I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU GUYS TO READ IT IF YOU HAVEN'T.

IT STATES PUBLIC OFFICIALS SHOULD ACT WITH HONESTY, TRUTHFULNESS AND FAIRNESS IN THE BEST ENTRY OF INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY AND CREDIBILITY OF THE COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE. PRIORITIZE THE PUBLIC INTEREST OVER PERSONAL INTEREST.

THE CITY SHOULD COMPLY WITH THIS. IS THERE ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL THAT IS GOING TO SEEK ANY KIND OF LETTER OR SANCTION AGAINST THIS COUNCILMAN? IF NOT, I'LL FILE THE FORM 50 WITH THE STATE MORATORIUMS. I ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU TO GO BACK TO JULY 8TH, 2022.

TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MEETING. EVERYTHING WAS ADDRESSED THERE THAT EVERYONE SAYS NOW.

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INVOCATIONS. THE COMMENT WAS MADE BY COUNT OR SOMEONE ON THE COUNCIL LAST TIME THAT WE WERE A CHRISTIAN NATION.

I WENT AND LOOKED THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION. I CAN'T SEE ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS CHRISTIAN NATION.

IT SAYS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE JUDAISM, ISLAM, HINDU, WHATEVER.

IS THERE A FORM THAT SOMEONE HAS TO FILL OUT TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THE INVOCATION FOR CITY COUNCILS? IF SO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS SO I CAN FIND OUT ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, BILL BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE THREE ITEMS TO ADDRESS. THE FIRST ONE IS OVER THE PREVIOUS LAST TWO MEETINGS THERE WAS ORDINANCE 2020 502. AND I SPECIFICALLY SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE QUESTION WHY AND WHO AND WHAT IT WAS FOR WAS FOR A VACATING OF ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS GOT ANSWERED.

ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED, WHO WAS IT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT? BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY WHY OR WHAT. SO MY COUNCIL VOTED.

ALL IN FAVOR WITHOUT THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION OF WHO AND WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE? AND YOU ALL VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT WITHOUT THE PUBLIC EVEN HAVING ANY IDEA OF WHAT IT WAS.

SO I GUESS ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SUBMIT PAPERWORK AND IT GETS APPROVED.

ITEM NUMBER TWO. CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER THREE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT TAKEN OFF SO WE COULD DISCUSS IT IF POSSIBLE.

AND IT WAS FOR THE DEBRIS REMOVAL. ITEM NUMBER THREE I CONTACTED DOGE.

GOT A RESPONSE BACK FROM ELON MUSK, AND HE SAID HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO MY QUESTION OF COUNSEL IS WHICH DEPARTMENT FIRST? THAT'S A TONGUE IN CHEEK ON THE LAST STATEMENT.

GOOD LUCK, YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. NEXT. NEXT SPEAKER.

LOOKING CENTURY. I HOPE.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. MY NAME IS LUKE JENSEN.

I'M A MUSICIAN. PALM BAY SCIENCE FOR YEARS. I'M THE OWNER OF CASITA EVENT CENTER, LOCATED IN 3085 JUPITER BOULEVARD.

TODAY I'M HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TO GIVE YOU MORE EXPLANATION REGARDING EXACTLY WHAT MY CASE IS WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY CENTS A YEAR AND A HALF.

IT IS A REQUEST FOR A SIGNATURE FROM THE ZONING SECTIONS FOR LIQUOR PERMIT APPLICATIONS.

THAT LIQUOR PERMIT IS FROM THE CLASS 11 BALLOT FROM FLORIDA.

IT IS AN EVENT CENTER LICENSE. I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO SELL LIQUOR.

I USED TO SELL LIQUOR JUST BECAUSE OF MY NONPROFIT.

BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SERVE LIQUOR BECAUSE WHAT I DO AT CACICA, WE DO EVENT LIKE WEDDINGS, GALA, BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS, BABY SHOWER, A LIVE BAND PLAYING, ETC.

I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING SECTION AND THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY, MR. MR. MICHAEL RODRIGUEZ, IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE TURNER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

YOU KNOW, BY LAW, IT'S ILLEGAL TO SELL LIQUOR FROM LESS THAN 500FT² FROM A SCHOOL AND TWO.

AND I AM HERE TO TELL YOU, I THINK I DESERVE A SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS APPROVAL.

WHY? BECAUSE MY BUSINESS HOURS OPERATION IS 5 TO 2 A.M..

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL OPERATIONS.

THAT'S FIRST. AND WE ONLY OPEN ON BOOKINGS REQUEST.

IF WE DON'T HAVE BOOKINGS, WE CLOSE THREE. THERE'S A LIQUOR STORE.

SPIRITS TO YOU, RIGHT NEXT TO ME. ONLY ONE WALL SEPARATES ME.

THAT LIQUOR STORE OPEN FROM 8 A.M. UNTIL 2 A.M..

IT HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM FOR THAT SCHOOL. AND AS A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, THAT LIQUOR STORE.

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IT HAS TO BE A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT. CACHACA IS A FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WITH 150 SEATS ON 2000FT².

YOU HAVE TO BE A NONPROFIT. AS YOU KNOW, MAYOR, WE USED TO DO LIKE MAY 18TH CELEBRATION WITH CASSIE HERITAGE CASSIE PRODUCTIONS.

THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE THE FOURTH EDITION FOR THE HAITIAN FLAG DAY CELEBRATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE. WE DO THERE. SO I'M SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU TO TELL YOU THAT SINCE I'M OPERATING THAT BUSINESS SINCE TWO YEARS, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM. ANY COMPLAINTS? ANYTHING? BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY HOW FRAGILE IT IS WITH THAT ZONING, BECAUSE IT IS A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.

AND I THINK I DESERVE A SPECIAL EXEMPTION, APPROVAL FOR THAT LIQUOR PERMIT JUST TO SERVE.

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION INSIDE, THANK YOU.

YOU NEED AT LEAST A GLASS OF WINE. YOU ONLY KNOW, YOU ONLY GET THREE MINUTES.

YEAH. OH. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD. MR. MORGAN, HAS THIS GENTLEMAN DISCUSSED THIS WITH STAFF IN THE PAST? YES. THIS IS ONE WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED VIOLATES DIRECTLY OUR ORDINANCE WITH THE SEPARATION FROM SCHOOLS. AND SO I THINK THE ALTERNATIVES WERE TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION THAT DIDN'T VIOLATE THAT.

OR THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY FOR A VERY SHORT TERM SPECIAL EVENT TYPE OF LIQUOR LICENSE.

BUT THAT'S THIS IS DESIRED, I THINK, TO BE AN ONGOING ACTIVITY CENTER.

AND SO STAFF COULD NOT FIGURE A WAY TO TO TRY TO HELP IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE AND NOT VIOLATE OUR ORDINANCES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MAYOR. YEAH. THE ONLY QUESTION TO HIS POINT.

THE LIQUOR STORE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR. WHERE WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WITH? SO SO IN MY OPINION. RIGHT. LIQUOR STORES ARE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING IN MAKING YOUR PURCHASE AND MOVING ON.

WHEN YOU HAVE AN ESTABLISHMENT AND IT'S FLOWING OF ALCOHOL AND YOU HAVE PARTYGOERS, THE RISK I'M JUST TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN IN A COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT, RIGHT BEHIND THERE AS WELL.

RIGHT? IF I'M THINKING OF THE SAME THING. BUT SO THERE'S IT'S A BUSINESS.

AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WORK AROUND THAT.

YOU. THEY'VE ALREADY SAID YOU COULD GET SPECIAL PERMITS.

BUT THAT THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE IS THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCENTRATED THERE THAT WILL BE CONSUMING ALCOHOL.

AND SO IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT CLIENTELE THAN THAN, IN MY OPINION, THAN THEN SOMEONE THAT'S WALKING IN TO BUY WINE OR LIQUOR OR BEER AND GOING HOME OR GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S HOW I RECEIVE IT.

BUT YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR.

WELL, YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE. YEAH, EITHER ONE OF THEM HAD.

BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE IN A STATIONARY LOCATION.

BUT MADAM SMITH, NO, MAYOR, YOU WERE ACTUALLY CORRECT AS FAR AS DISTINGUISHING IT BASED UPON THE PACKAGE SALES AND THE SALES FOR ON SITE CONSUMPTION. AND IT'S IN PART ALSO BASED UPON THE STATE STATUTE THAT REQUIRES THERE BE CERTAIN EXTRA THINGS IF IT'S WITHIN 500FT, WHICH I KNOW MR. RODRIGUEZ PROVIDED TO HIM. I MEAN, THE ONLY WAY REALLY AROUND THAT IS FOR COUNCIL TO FIND THAT SOMEHOW HIS ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL FURTHERS THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THAT CAME UP. AND I DO KNOW THAT SOMEHOW HE THERE WAS NOTHING FURTHER AS FAR AS THE PRESENTING EVIDENCE OR HIM COMING THROUGH COUNSEL WITH THAT, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW YOU WOULD PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT BEING ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE HAVE ALCOHOL WITHIN THAT DISTANCE OF A SCHOOL SOMEHOW SERVES THOSE PURPOSES.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THE STATE STATUTE SAYS, AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU ALL CAN DO ABSENT THAT PROCESS.

I KNOW HE DOESN'T LIKE THE PROCESS, AND I KNOW HE.

BUT WE'VE DONE WHAT WE COULD AS FAR AS GETTING THE LAND USE SO THAT HE COULD HAVE THAT FACILITY, BECAUSE I KNOW MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON REMEMBER, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ZONING,

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THE STATUTE IS WHAT IT IS. YOU KNOW THAT WE AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, WE ARE LOWER THAN THE STATE, SO WE CAN'T VIOLATE THE STATE STATUTE. I'M NOT LOOKING, SIR.

SO THE DISCUSSION IS. I'M DONE. SO. YES, SIR.

YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE OVER. ALL RIGHT. WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING YOUR SITUATION, AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE COULD HELP.

SO THEY'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT THEY'VE HELPED WITH SPECIAL PERMITS.

BUT THE LAW IS THE LAW, AND WE'RE NOT. WE CAN'T VIOLATE THE LAW.

THAT'S THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING IS AT THE STATE LEVEL.

SO THE STATE HAS PREEMPTION, JUST LIKE THE FEDERAL LEVEL TRIES TO HAVE PREEMPTION ON US.

THE STATE LEVEL HAS PREEMPTION OVER US ON WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO.

YES. BUT THAT'S DOCUMENTED FROM THE SAME STATE, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, EILEEN CEP.

EILEEN. SEP 1230 RAIL ROAD NORTHEAST. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE BAFFLE BOX SITUATION.

I KNOW IT'S A GRANT THAT'S PAYING FOR IT, BUT MY CONCERN IS WE ALREADY HAVE SEVEN OF THEM, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENT ON ANYTHING.

I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER PLACES YOU WANT TO FILL IT, BUT MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THEM IS WHEN THEY EMPTY IT OUT, THEY'RE TAKING THAT AND PUTTING IT IN A LANDFILL JUST NORTH OF WICKHAM, WHICH MEANS IT'S GETTING BACK INTO THE GROUNDWATER EVENTUALLY.

SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF RECYCLING THINGS. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO EMPTY OUT THOSE BOXES, YOU KNOW? I KNOW IT'S ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A GRANT TO PAY FOR THEM, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOME KIND OF PAYMENT THAT WHATEVER.

IT'S COSTING US TO CLEAN THEM OUT. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE LAGOON REALLY DOES NOT LOOK ANY BETTER IN ALL THE YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THEM, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT GETTING MORE IS GOING TO MAKE THAT SITUATION ANY BETTER.

THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS WE CAN FIND FOR CLEANING UP SEWAGE, AND I THINK WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THERE'S MORE NATURAL WAYS OF HANDLING IT.

ONE OTHER THING THOUGH, A LITTLE BIT SORT OF RELATED, BUT OFF TOPIC.

TODAY I SAW AN ARTICLE IN THE PALM BAY PALM BAY OR PALM BAY LIVE THAT SAID MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CAMERAS AROUND THE SCHOOL. AND I BROUGHT IT UP AT ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING BOARD MEETINGS IN LONGWOOD IN SEMINOLE COUNTY. THEY DON'T USE CAMERAS.

THEY DID A STUDY AND THE CAMERAS WERE ONLY 33% EFFECTIVE.

BUT PUTTING THREE FOOT SIGNS IN THE MEDIAN WERE 84% EFFECTIVE.

IF THE PURPOSE OF THOSE CAMERAS IS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM SPEEDING, IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE CAMERAS ARE THERE, THEY'RE NOT STOPPING, AND THAT'S A DANGER TO LIFE.

THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IN THE SAME BREATH IS SOMETIMES WE JUMP TOO QUICK TO FIND QUICK SOLUTIONS, AND WE DON'T REALLY THINK IT THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE ABSOLUTE BEST THING THAT WE CAN.

I'M NOT SAYING DON'T GET THE BAFFLE BOXES, BUT I THINK THERE'S THERE'S PROBABLY A COST TO US IN THE LONG RUN FOR CLEANING IT OUT. AND WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS.

AND THEY DO EXIST. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER FOR THAT TRAIL.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.

TODAY I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE POWER OF WORDS.

SO, ACCORDING TO ZEN AND BUDDHIST TEACHING, BEFORE WE SPEAK, WE MUST ASK OURSELVES ONE.

IS IT TRUE? TWO, IS IT NECESSARY? AND THREE, IS IT KIND? ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE CHECKING TO SEE IF WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO SAY IS FACTUAL, RELEVANT TO THE SITUATION AND CONSIDERATE TOWARDS OTHERS.

PROVERBS 1821 DEATH AND LIFE ARE IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE, AND THOSE WHO LOVE IT WILL EAT ITS FRUIT.

EPHESIANS 429 LET NO CORRUPT COMMUNICATION PROCEED OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, BUT THAT WHICH IS GOOD TO USE TO THE EDIFYING THAT IT MAY MINISTER GRACE UNTO THE HEARERS THE TONGUE.

THE BIBLE ENCOURAGES US TO USE OUR TONGUE WISELY TO BUILD AND HEAL, RATHER TO HARM AND DESTROY.

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THE MOUTH OF THE GODLY PERSON GIVES WISE ADVICE, BUT THE TONGUE THAT DECEIVES WILL BE CUT OFF.

WISE WORDS BRING MANY BENEFITS. THE WORDS OF THE RECKLESS PIERCE LIKE SWORDS, BUT THE TONGUE OF THE WISE BRINGS HEALING. PSALMS 1914 STATES, LET THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH AND THE MEDITATION OF MY HEART BE ACCEPTABLE IN THY SIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, CHRISTINE LANSANA.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KRISTIN LANSANAH, A 25 YEAR RESIDENT OF PALM BAY, AND I'M HERE AGAIN TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN AROUND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY REGARDING THE FLOCK SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS. FOR YEARS, FLOCK HAS BEEN USED WITHOUT PUBLIC AWARENESS AND NOW WHEN RESIDENTS ARE RAISING CONCERNS, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY IGNORED. THIS IS NOT JUST A LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL.

IT IS A NATIONWIDE SURVEILLANCE NETWORK TRACKING EVERY DRIVER, REGARDLESS OF GUILT OR INNOCENCE, COMPILING BULK DATA BEYOND JUST OUR LICENSE PLATES ON EVERYONE WITHOUT CONSENT.

I DO SUPPORT EFFORTS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND I UNDERSTAND NEW TECHNOLOGIES CAN PLAY A HUGE ROLE.

HOWEVER, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE APPROACH THESE ADVANCEMENTS WITH TRANSPARENCY, A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR EFFECTIVENESS AND RESPECT FOR CITIZENS RIGHTS.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING FLOCK, AND THE MINUTES OF PRIOR MEETINGS UP UNTIL FEBRUARY 6TH DO NOT REFLECT ANY DETAILED DISCUSSIONS OF THIS SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY. TONIGHT, I'M DEMANDING ANSWERS.

WHY HAS THE COUNCIL NEVER HELD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION TO APPROVE, RENEW OR EXPAND THE SYSTEM? WHERE IS THE INDEPENDENT STUDY PROVING THAT FLOCK IS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, WITHOUT INFRINGING ON OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES AND GIVEN PAST ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT WITHIN THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING LAWSUITS OVER EXCESSIVE FORCE AND WRONGFUL ARRESTS.

HOW CAN WE TRUST THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT BE MISUSED? AT THE LAST MEETING, I REQUESTED TRANSPARENCY AND DATA.

BUT MR. MAYOR, YOU ATTEMPTED TO IGNORE MY CONCERNS.

IT WAS ONLY WHEN COUNCILMAN JOHNSON PUSHED FOR ANSWERS THAT YOU CHOSE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

AND EVEN THEN, YOU CUT HIM OFF. DEFERRED TO THE POLICE CHIEF WHO DISMISSED THE CALL FOR REAL DATA.

I DO APPRECIATE THE CLAIMS THAT THIS SYSTEM IS HELPING TO SOLVE CRIMES.

HOWEVER, CLAIMS ARE NOT THE SAME AS DATA. IF THE.

WHY DOES THE SYSTEM CREATE A DATABASE TRACKING THE MOVEMENTS OF EVERY CITIZEN, WHY NOT RUN THE PLATES AGAINST KNOWN HOT LISTS AND DELETE THE REST OF THE DATA IMMEDIATELY IF THE. ADDITIONALLY, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A MULTI-STATE NETWORK RAISES EVEN MORE CONCERNS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS ENTITIES OUTSIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE ABLE TO INSTALL A CAMERA AND ACCESS THE DATABASE.

I'M REQUESTING THAT THIS ISSUE BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION, AND ANY FURTHER EXPANSION OR FUNDING BE PAUSED UNTIL THEN.

IF THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS AND OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY TOOLS REQUIRE PUBLIC INPUT.

WHY HAS THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM BEEN ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THE DARK? TO MY FELLOW CITIZENS, THIS IS OUR FIGHT. WE DO.

IF WE DO NOT DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY, MORE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS WILL BE ROLLED OUT UNDER THE SAME LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

IF WE DO NOT ACT NOW, OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY WILL DISAPPEAR.

AND IF WE STAY SILENT, WE ARE ALLOWING MASS SURVEILLANCE TO BECOME A PERMANENT PART OF OUR DAILY LIVES.

THIS IS OUR LINE IN THE SAND. DEMAND YOUR RIGHTS.

STAND UP. SPEAK OUT. THE TIME IS NOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. ROBERT STICE.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL ROBERTS, 1796 WINBURN DRIVE SOUTHEAST.

I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

WE SPENT SOME TIME LAST WEEK, AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, WITH REGARD TO THE I'LL CALL IT A REDUNDANT WATER LINE THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN THE BACK OF WINBROOK DRIVE, WHICH IS MY HOA.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS TIM OR TOM, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS MANAGING THAT.

BUT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT ONCE YOU TRENCH THAT AREA AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRENCHING THE CUL DE SAC IN THE BACK.

I WAS TOLD INITIALLY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE CUL DE SAC.

WITH, WITH NEW ASPHALT, RATHER THAN JUST PATCH IT.

I WANT TO INSIST THAT THAT IS, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS REPUBLIC IS GOING TO BE BLACKTOP IN THE ENTIRE ALL THE STREETS IN SUMMERFIELD HOA, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHES.

SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT, SIR, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

OTHER THAN THAT, I HEARD THERE WAS SOME FIREWORKS LAST WEEK.

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MORGAN.

YES. THE PARTICULAR DESIGN FOR THAT LOOPING WATER PROJECT, WHICH BENEFITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHERS IS AT 90% DESIGN.

SO WE STILL HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH THOSE KINDS OF DESIGN DETAILS.

SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE UTILITIES IN THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, SUSAN CONNELLY.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND STAFF.

MY NAME IS SUSAN CONNOLLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST CASTAWAY COVE CONDOMINIUMS. I WANT TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR THE DECEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING WHERE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TO DISSOLVE THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, AND YOU ALL VOTED TO REDIRECT OUR PURPOSE.

THANK YOU. SINCE THEN, THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN COMPLETING A REVISION OF THE CURRENT ACTION PLAN SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN. WE ARE FINALIZING PLANS FOR THE THIRD ANNUAL SUSTAINABILITY FAIR.

THE THEME OF THIS IS BE THE SOLUTION. IN ADDITION, AT OUR AT OUR NEXT AT OUR MARCH MEETING, WE ARE HAVING A SPECIAL GUEST SPEAKER, MR. POTTS, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT FOR BUILDING E, MR. POTTS WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE SUSTAINABLE FEATURES AND LOW IMPACT PROCESS THAT HAS GONE INTO THE BUILDING.

AT TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING, THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM ABOUT THE COST OF BUILDING E.

WELL, AT OUR MEETING WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE COST SAVINGS OF BUILDING E THROUGH SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES.

FINALLY, I WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS STARTED A RIDE ALONG PROGRAM.

THE RIDE ALONG PROGRAM IS FOR CITIZENS TO ACCOMPANY A MEMBER OF OUR CITY STAFF AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING GOING ON IN OUR CITY THAT HAS TO DO WITH SUSTAINABLE PROJECTS.

WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST SUSTAINABILITY BOARD MEETING, I WAS THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO GO AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND A SPECIAL INVITATION TO COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN TO ACCOMPANY ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

LESLIE LANCASTER.

GOOD EVENING. DEPUTY MAYOR. I'M SORRY. ASSISTANT MAYOR.

THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THE FIRING OF SUE SHERMAN OR SHERIDAN.

I APOLOGIZE FOR MISPRONOUNCING HER LAST NAME.

I ASKED A QUESTION, AND I SAW YOU DILIGENTLY WRITING.

MY QUESTION WAS, OUT OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT SUE WAS IN CHARGE OF, OF THE CITY MANAGER, I WANTED TO KNOW THE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS AND HOW THOSE WERE HANDLED, THE NUMBER AND HOW MANY WERE STILL OUTSTANDING SINCE WE WERE GOING TO BE TURNING OVER IN THE INTERIM. NOW TO SCOTT MORGAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THAT DATA YET? MA'AM, JUST. OH, GOTCHA. I'M I'M. YES, YES. IS THE DATA AVAILABLE YET? THAT WAS REQUESTED AT THE SECOND MEETING OF THIS COUNCIL.

ONCE YOU CONCLUDE, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. OKAY.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, SINCE I HAVE EVERYBODY UP HERE, WHAT? THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICY ON THE TRANSPORTATION OF HANDCUFFED FEMALES IS.

I'M HAVING SOME RUN AROUND TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

DO THEY GET SAME SEX TRANSPORTERS IF THEY'RE ON SCENE, ESPECIALLY IF A WOMAN IS IN HANDCUFFS IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR? CAN I GET THAT ANSWER, TOO? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

I'M SURE WE COULD PASS ON THE THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE FEMALE HANDCUFFS.

PERHAPS SEND THAT POLICY IN WRITING IN THE FUTURE, IF WE DO, WE HAVE HER CONTACT INFORMATION.

I BELIEVE SO, YES. OKAY, SO IF WE COULD GET HER THAT ANSWER, THE OTHER ANSWER.

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OKAY. DO WE UNDERSTAND HER QUESTION REGARDING THAT? I BELIEVE I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION, WHICH WAS COMPLAINTS ABOUT DEPARTMENTS DIRECTLY SUPERVISED BY THE FORMER CITY MANAGER. I BELIEVE THAT'S. EXACTLY. LOOK LIKE I'M TRYING TO PARAPHRASE.

SO IF WE COULD GET HER THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

I'D APPRECIATE IT. NEXT SPEAKER. MAYOR. I'LL SPEAK.

I'LL SPEAK TO THAT, TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER ACT.

BUT TYPICALLY EMPLOYEES AREN'T GOING TO USE THAT.

EMPLOYEES HAVE TRIED TO USE THAT IN THE PAST, AND IT'S REALLY BEEN JUST WE PUT IT TOGETHER WITH GOOD WITH A GREAT INTENTION, BUT NOTHING REALLY HAS BEEN OF ANY FRUITION WITH IT.

SO IT TENDS TO BE EMPLOYEES WILL QUIETLY EXIT OR RESIGN OR RETIRE EARLY AND THAT'S IT.

SO BECAUSE I REMEMBER I HAD THIS ISSUE WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, NOT THE LAST ONE, BUT ANOTHER ONE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SAW. I SAW A TREND OF DEPARTMENTS LEAVING, AND I'M LIKE, IT WAS LIKE AN EXODUS, SO I DON'T SEE MUCH INFORMATION BEING FOUND, BUT IT'S STILL WORTH A SHOT TO LOOK INTO.

BUT WHAT WOULD BE BETTER WOULD BE TO LOOK INTO RESIGNATIONS, RETIREMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THAT'S ALL, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, TO THAT ARGUMENT.

SINCE YOU BRING UP THE POLICY THAT WE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE I HIGHLY SUGGESTED THAT IT BE INDEPENDENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND THE LANE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED IS OUR CITY ATTORNEY. WHEN THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO THROUGH, IT'S IT'S AN ISOLATED A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.

SO I KNOW THAT THE. YEAH. AND THAT THAT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT I SUGGESTED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM TO DO THOSE TYPE OF INVESTIGATIONS.

BUT, MA'AM, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? YES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

WE HAVE NOT HAD VERY MANY WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS, AND ALL WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY FOLLOWED THROUGH.

THERE MAY BE REASONS WHY PEOPLE HAVE ELECTED NOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THERE ARE NO WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED AND RESULTED IN REPORTS AND FINDINGS.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER. KENNETH DELGADO.

KEN DELGADO 154 ANGELO ROAD, SOUTHEAST IN PALM BAY.

THERE'S A SCRIPTURE THAT I WANT TO KIND OF TOUCH ON.

IT SAYS JESUS IS SPEAKING. WHATEVER YOU HAVE SAID IN THE DARK WILL BE HEARD IN THE LIGHT WHICH YOU HAVE WHISPERED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WILL BE SHOUTED FROM THE HOUSETOPS FOR ALL TO HEAR. SO I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO OUR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS FRIEND ELON MUSK, WHO NOW ARE EXPOSING ALL OF THE THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN HIDING DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, DONE IN SECRET.

AND NOW THEY ARE BEING EXPOSED. AND I'M SO THANKFUL TO FIND OUT.

AND SOMETHING THAT I KNEW ALL ALONG, AND PROBABLY MOST OF THE UNITED STATES KNEW IT WASN'T A LACK OF MONEY.

IT WAS A MISUSE OF MONEY, A MISAPPROPRIATION OF MONEY.

AND THEY KEPT WANTING TO DIG INTO OUR POCKETS TO GET MORE MONEY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO VERSUS HAVING SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT, SOME SORT OF ACCOUNTABILITY. AND SO I'M THANKFUL THAT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, PEOPLE CAN RISE UP, CAN SPEAK, AND THEN THINGS CAN HAPPEN. AND, AND SO I'M, I'M PRAISING GOD FOR, FOR THAT WHICH IS WORKING RIGHT NOW.

AND, AND JUST TO WANT TO REMIND THAT THAT WHATEVER WE DO IN SECRET, AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO BE EXPOSED.

AND I CERTAINLY TRUST THAT HERE IN, IN THESE PALM BAY, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT LINE ITEM FOR LINE ITEM AND MAKING SURE THAT THINGS ARE GOING WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO. AND SO I'M, I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR, FOR THAT PERMEATING NOT JUST FROM, FROM THE GOVERNMENTAL, BUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STATES.

AND AND ON A SIDE NOTE, IN REFERENCE TO THIS BEING A CHRISTIAN NATION, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND IT WAS STATES RIGHTS. AND IF YOU GO TO THE CONSTITUTION OF EVERY STATE THAT WE HAVE IN THE IN THE UNION OF THESE STATES, YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT INDEED, JESUS CHRIST AND GOD IS MENTIONED IN EVERY CONSTITUTION AND VERY, VERY POIGNANTLY SO. AND NOT ONLY THAT, IN OUR OUR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

AND LET ME JUST SAY, IT IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

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WE RECEIVE ANYBODY. EVERYBODY HAS FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

WE KNOW THAT IN IN OUR FIRST FIRST BILL OF RIGHTS, BUT FIRST SENTENCE ON PARAGRAPH OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CONSTITUTION SAYS IT SAYS TO ASSUME THE POWERS OF EARTH.

SEPARATE AND EQUAL STATION. THE LAWS OF NATURE AND THE NATURE OF GOD ENTITLED THEM THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR.

AND THEY WERE SPEAKING OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.

AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

AND IN THE CONCLUSION IT SAYS, WE, THEREFORE, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN GENERAL CONGRESS ASSEMBLED, APPEALING TO THE SUPREME JUDGE, SPEAKING OF JESUS CHRIST.

AND SO IT IS THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT SPEAKER, ANGELA GARRISON.

GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.

MY NAME IS ANGELA GARRISON, 300 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, PALM BAY.

WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING THE PALM BAY ESTATES, ASSISTED 55 AND OVER COMMUNITY AND OUR CLEAN WATERWAY EFFORTS. I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE CONSENT OF THE AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ACCEPTING THE GRANT FROM THE DEP TO APPROVE OUR WATER QUALITY IN THE LAGOON.

OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR THE RESTORATION OF OUR WATERWAY.

THAT OUR THAT LEADS TO OUR COVETED INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

THROUGH OUR ADVANCED NUTRIENT BAFFLE BOXES, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF MANY IN THE PROCESS OF CLEANING UP OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN USED AS A SEWER OVERFLOW AND A DRAINAGE DITCH FOR OVER TWO DECADES.

YOUR CONTINUED EFFORT AND SUPPORT ARE RECOGNIZED AND WE ARE HERE TO DO OUR PART WITHIN THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU, MR. HAMMER, FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN ALL OF THE MEETINGS TO GET HERE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE TOWARDS CLEANING UP THE WATERWAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, NANCY PELTONEN.

HI, NANCY PELTONEN, GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

IT'S ALWAYS MY PRIVILEGE TO STAND BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE BUSINESSES THAT MAKE UP THIS COMMUNITY THRIVE. USUALLY I'M HERE SHARING GOOD NEWS STORIES OF GROWTH, COLLABORATION, AND OPPORTUNITY.

BUT TONIGHT I COME WITH A DIFFERENT MESSAGE, ONE THAT I BELIEVE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE OF PALM BAY.

RECENTLY, A STATEMENT WAS POSTED BY ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SUGGESTING THAT ISLAM DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS NATION.

AS A COMMUNITY LEADER, I CANNOT IGNORE THE IMPACT OF THESE WORDS BECAUSE WORDS MATTER.

PALM BAY IS A CITY THAT HAS ALWAYS PRIDED ITSELF ON BEING WELCOMING, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS CAN BUILD THEIR DREAMS. THAT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING WE SAY, IT'S SOMETHING WE LIVE.

WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST DIVERSITY SCORES IN THE COUNTRY AT 96 OUT OF 100.

WE ARE RANKED ONE OF THE BEST CITIES FOR BLACK BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS IN 2024.

THEY ARE NOT JUST NUMBERS. THEY REFLECT THE KIND OF COMMUNITY WE'VE WORKED SO HARD TO CREATE, ONE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T JUST LIVE BUT BELONG. AT THE CHAMBER, WE SEE FIRSTHAND HOW THE SENSE OF BELONGING FUELS OUR ECONOMY.

OUR MULTICULTURAL NETWORKING GROUP AND MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL EXIST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT DIVERSITY IS ONE OF PALM BAY GREATEST STRENGTHS.

BUSINESSES CHOOSE TO SET UP SHOP HERE, FAMILIES CHOOSE TO MOVE HERE, AND ORGANIZATIONS CHOOSE TO INVEST HERE BECAUSE OF THAT WELCOMING SPIRIT.

BUT I MUST SHARE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WEIGHING ON ME SINCE THESE COMMENTS WERE MADE.

SEVERAL CONCERNED BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE REACHED OUT TO US.

THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT HOW THIS AFFECTS THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEIR CUSTOMERS, AND THEIR PERCEPTION OF PALM BAY AS A PLACE TO GROW BUSINESS.

IN TODAY'S WORLD, COMPANIES DON'T JUST LOOK AT TAX INCENTIVES, TAX INCENTIVES AND INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN DECIDING WHERE TO INVEST, THEY LOOK AT VALUES. THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY THEY JOIN REFLECTS THE KIND OF FUTURE THEY WANT TO BUILD.

THAT IS WHY, AS COUNCIL, WHAT MESSAGE DO WE WANT TO SEND? THIS IS NOT ABOUT POINTING FINGERS OR ASSIGNING BLAME.

IT'S ABOUT RECOGNIZING THAT WHEN THE DIVISIVE WORDS GO UNCHECKED, THEY DON'T JUST IMPACT ONE GROUP, THEY RIPPLE OUTWARD, AFFECTING OUR BUSINESSES, OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR REPUTATION AS A CITY THAT WELCOMES ALL WHO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE.

PALM BAY IS HOME TO HARD WORKING, TALENTED AND DIVERSE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN WHAT THIS CITY CAN BE.

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SO I ASK, WITH AN OPEN HEART AND IN THE SPIRIT OF GENUINE CONVERSATION, WILL YOU TAKE A STAND? WILL YOU REAFFIRM THAT PALM BAY IS A PLACE WHERE ALL ARE WELCOME, NOT BECAUSE IT'S POLITICALLY NECESSARY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO? WHAT WE SAY AND WHAT WE STAND FOR MATTERS.

LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR TOGETHER THAT PALM BAY IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS, OPEN FOR GROWTH, AND OPEN FOR EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GEORGE SMITH.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GEORGE SMITH 335 BRESCIA STREET, PALM BAY BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY FOR 43 YEARS.

IN THOSE 43 YEARS, PROBABLY 40 OF THEM. I'VE ALWAYS HAD A CARGO TRAILER OF SOME TYPE.

LAWN MOWERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. I NOTICED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD VERY MANY RECREATIONAL VEHICLES SHOWING UP.

AND I GUESS SOMEONE COMPLAINED AND I GOT A STATEMENT FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. THEY'RE BIG, HUGE MINES, VERY SMALL.

BUT ALSO IT SAYS. AND IT WAS ADDED TO THE SECTION, TO WIT, CARGO TRAILER AND DRIVEWAY.

LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN IN PALM BAY FOR 43 YEARS.

I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY LITTLE TRAILERS IN MY DRIVEWAY.

I CAN'T GET IT IN MY BACKYARD. I CAN'T GET IT IN MY SIDE YARD.

MY HOUSE IS TOO WIDE ON THE PALM BAY LOTS, SO I'M JUST ASKING IF SOMEBODY KNOWS WHY WHY THIS WAS ADDED IN.

I MEAN, IT'S PART OF MY LIVELIHOOD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. MR. MORGAN, IS LISA FRAZIER HIS BEST CONTACT? YES, THAT WOULD BE. AGAIN, WE WE CODE ENFORCEMENT ENFORCES THE CODE AS WRITTEN.

AND BUT THAT WOULD BE SOME HISTORY PERHAPS ON IF THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION CHANGED LEGISLATIVELY, BUT IT AT SOME POINT WOULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.

BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOME TIME AGO, I DON'T KNOW.

YES, SIR. YEAH. THAT WAS WHEN DOCTOR JESSE ANDERSON WAS HERE.

2023. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIME. IT COULD HAVE BEEN 22 OR 22.

YEAH. YEAH. IT WAS. IT WAS A WHILE. DOCTOR J WAS HERE.

SO BUT I'M SURE. LISA. YEAH. LISA'S GOT THE HISTORY.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT SPEAKER. STEVE. STEVE VILLEGAS.

OH. STEVE-O GOT SOME FROM MELBOURNE, FLORIDA, BUT I'VE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY FOR 40 YEARS. I'VE BEEN ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE CITY DOWN HERE SINCE 1999.

FROM MY PRIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT DOWN HERE, I'VE SEEN YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY EXPLODE IN HOUSING AND BUSINESS.

WITH THE EXTINCTION OF MANY GREEN SPACES AND FARMS AS IT GOES.

YOU HAVE HAPPINESS. HORSE FARM, A SANCTUARY THAT IS GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, LOCAL SCHOOLS AND CARING FOR ANIMALS.

IS IT NECESSARY FOR HAPPINESS HORSE FARM TO FACE A CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR A ROCK GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THAT HAS BEEN IN THERE SINCE 1995? IT'S NOW BEING VIOLATED, BUT NOT BY A NEIGHBOR, BUT BY A PUBLIC WORK WORKER CALLING IN VIOLATION TO THE STATE LAW.

WE KNOW WHO CALLED THE VIOLATION IN. IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL EXEMPT PROPERTY.

AND AS THE COUNCIL SAID, PRESUMPTIONS FROM THE STATE AND COUNTY ARE OVER CITY ORDINANCES.

WHY NOT LET THIS GREEN SPACE STAY GREEN WITH THE NATURAL DRAINAGE OF THE DRIVEWAY? IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL FARM THAT GIVES TEENS YOUTH A PLACE TO LEARN HANDS ON AND A PLACE FOR YOU AND GO CELEBRATE THE OUTDOORS.

I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE COUNCILMAN ENJOY THIS FARM ALSO ALREADY AND KNOW ABOUT IT.

TAKE A MOMENT TO LOOK AT YOUR CITY SEAL BEHIND YOU, GENTLEMEN.

IT HAS TREES ON YOUR CITY SEAL. NOW IMAGINE THAT OPEN SPACE GONE AND REPLACED WITH CONCRETE AND MORE HOUSES AND FEWER PLACES FOR YOUR KIDS JUST TO BE KIDS.

THE FARM RA IS FACING ISSUES FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA, FROM THE NEW HOUSING GOING IN WITH FLOODING AND THE PROPERTY DRAINING ONTO THE FIELDS.

BUT NOW, INSTEAD OF A NATURAL DRAINING DRIVEWAY, THE CODE IS REQUIRING MORE THAN.

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DO YOU WANT MORE CEMENT IN YOUR CITY? LET THE AGRICULTURAL EXEMPT PROPERTY KEEP AS IS.

AND I JUST ASKED THE COUNCIL. HOW CAN YOU HELP SAVE ONE OF YOUR LAST GREEN SPACES IN PALM BAY? MYSELF, DRIVING DOWN MINTON ROAD MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

IT'S THE ONLY GREEN SPACE I SAW WAS MALABAR ANNEX DRIVING DOWN HERE TONIGHT.

OVER THE LAST WEEK, I DROVE AROUND THE CITY. THERE ARE OTHER DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE NATURAL ROCK DRIVEWAYS.

THEY'RE NOT ALL CEMENT. WHY IS THIS ONE PLACE BEING LOOKED AT? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN AND COUNCIL STAFF FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MORGAN, DO WE KNOW OF THE SITUATION YOU SPEAKING OF? YEAH, I THINK WE HAD SOME EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE FAIRLY RECENTLY ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK PERHAPS GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS MAY KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION. CAN WE HAVE THEM COME UP? WE CERTAINLY CAN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHRISTINE SULLIVAN, ACTING PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE JUST A FEW HOURS AGO, AND OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER TOLD ME ABOUT IT. SO WE DID HAVE SOME ITEMS IN THE AREA THAT OUR INSPECTORS WERE LOOKING AT OTHER DRIVEWAYS THAT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT. WE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES FOR THIS. DRIVEWAY HAS A DRAINAGE PIPE IN IT.

THERE HAS NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BEEN A DRIVEWAY PERMIT ISSUED, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THE PIPE THAT WAS INSTALLED WAS INSTALLED AT THE CORRECT ELEVATION. ADDITIONALLY, ASPHALT MILLINGS WERE PLACED ABOVE THE PIPE TO MAKE DRIVING OVER THE SWALE EASIER FOR THOSE DRIVING INTO THAT AREA. THE MILLINGS ARE LOOSE AND CAN GO INTO THE SWALE SYSTEM, CAUSING FURTHER CONTAMINATION.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING WHAT CODE WILL BE ASKING IS FOR A PERMIT TO BE PULLED AND A DRIVEWAY APRON TO BE POURED.

WE'RE NOT ASKING, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, FOR ANY KIND OF FURTHER CONCRETE TO BE TAKEN INTO THE YARD.

WE JUST NEED THAT APRON. IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE DRAINAGE PIPE.

THE DRAINAGE PIPE NEEDS TO BE AT THE PROPER ELEVATION TO ALLOW THE PROPER DRAINAGE.

AND WE'RE ASKING THAT THE MILLINGS BE REPLACED WITH CONCRETE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MAYOR.

SO HAS THIS CAUSED ANY PROBLEMS YET? TO OUR KNOWLEDGE? HAS THERE BEEN ANY FLOODING OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS THAT THIS HAS EXISTED? OF THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS OR OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AS I STATED, I JUST RECEIVED THIS.

HOWEVER, OUR CODE REQUIRES A DRIVEWAY TO BE TO CONSIST OF A DRAINAGE PIPE AND A CONCRETE APRON. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND, AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB, AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, DO WE DO WE KNOW HOW THIS CAME TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION TO MAKE US GO OUT AND IDENTIFY THIS? WHAT I WAS TOLD BY OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER WAS THAT HE HAD AN INSPECTOR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING AT OTHER DRIVEWAYS.

AND THEN JUST. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN HAMM. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN FUNCTIONING FOR 30 PLUS YEARS, AND WE ARE ASKING THEM TO CHANGE IT TO OUR STANDARDS, NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN USING FOR 30 YEARS.

BECAUSE I DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, BEING ON A FARM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT A THIN LAYER OF CONCRETE ON THERE AND GET CATTLE TRAILERS, MACHINES, TRACTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN APRON THERE.

AND I LIKE THE ROCK IDEA, ESPECIALLY IN ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE REQUIRE THEM TO PUT DOWN WHAT ROCK. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REQUIRE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND I GET THAT. I JUST DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS.

AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL SHOULD BE LIKE THAT.

WE ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE GOING TO MONETARILY FIND THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE.

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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT FUNDRAISING OR SOMETHING COULD BE DONE FOR THIS, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF FINES OR ANYTHING ON THERE.

I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS, BUT I, I WAS JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AFTER 30 YEARS, YOU CAN CHANGE SOMETHING. YEAH. SO I JUST DON'T GET IT.

I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION. RIGHT. IS THERE BEING THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS? IS THERE A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE THAT CAN BE ADMINISTERED IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO? THAT'S MY QUESTION. I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN FINED. I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN A MODIFIED A WARNING CITING A CASE HAS BEEN OPENED.

I'M NOT OVER CODE ENFORCEMENT, SO I CAN'T SPEAK ANY FURTHER TO THAT.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN FINED AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING ON THIS COUNCIL SO FAR, AND I HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO STILL WEIGH IN.

I THINK MY QUESTION WARRANTS LOOKING INTO. IS THERE A WAY THAT THERE COULD BE A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, PERHAPS? I DON'T KNOW. THERE. THE CITY ATTORNEYS LOOKING AT ME.

I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S LOOKING AT ME CROSS-EYED, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

IF IT IF IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE WARRANTED TO YOUR ARGUMENT, GENTLEMEN.

30 SOME PLUS YEARS THEY'VE BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN THAT REGARD.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER, ANOTHER DIMENSION TO THEM.

SO I'LL LET OUR CITY ATTORNEY RESPOND AT THIS POINT BECAUSE SHE SHE LOOKED AT ME A LITTLE PECULIAR.

MADAM ATTORNEY MAYOR, AS FAR AS GRANDFATHERING, IT WOULD DEPEND UPON WHETHER THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME, IF THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME THAT THEY DID THEIR DRIVEWAY, THAT THEY HAVE A PERMIT AND THEY JUST DIDN'T GET ONE, THEY CAN'T BE GRANDFATHERED.

YOU'LL HAVE LIKE CERTAIN TIMES WHERE WE'LL HAVE CODES, WHERE WE WE COME UP WITH NEW STANDARDS WHERE SOMEBODY'S ALREADY BUILT AT WHAT WAS AT THAT TIME. WE HAVE A NEW STANDARD. THEY DON'T HAVE TO THEN CHANGE.

THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN UNLESS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF HURRICANE OR SOME DEMOLITION.

BUT IF JUST LIKE SOMEBODY BUILDS A SHED OR, YOU KNOW, DOES SOME ADDITION AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, THEY'RE NOT GRANDFATHERED UNDER IT FOR JUST NOT HAVING THE PERMIT, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME BUILDING CODE AND THE SAME REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO NOT BE ANY GRANDFATHERING IS IF IF WE GO BACK AND SOMEHOW THERE WASN'T A REQUIREMENT TO DO A DRIVEWAY PERMIT.

DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY DOUBTFUL.

BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN EXPLORE IT. WELL IS IT I MEAN, YOU JUST RECEIVED THIS, RIGHT? I WAS JUST MADE AWARE OF IT. YOU JUST BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT.

SO PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT THAT OPTION. SEE HOW WE COULD MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION IF, IF POSSIBLE.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. EVERYBODY ALREADY SAID IT, MAYOR.

I'M ON BOARD, SO. OKAY. YES, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN.

SO, MAYOR, I'VE ACTUALLY. I'VE BEEN THERE. MY DAUGHTER HOSTED A BIRTHDAY PARTY THERE.

EMILY, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTIES HERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS TOPIC.

I KNOW THE THE CHALLENGES OF THAT PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY IS THE ONLY ACCESS IN AND OUT.

THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL LIVING ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY.

IT'S GOT THOROUGHBRED HORSES, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ANIMALS OUT THERE.

AND IF A DRIVEWAY PERMIT OR A DRIVEWAY PERMIT DRIVEWAY WOULD BE REQUIRED, IT WOULD HINDER ACCESS TO AND FROM THE THE ANIMALS AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FEED, PROVIDE SAFETY VETERINARY SERVICES.

SO IF THERE ISN'T A WAY TO GRANDFATHER THIS THIS ACCESS IN, SO TO SPEAK.

IS THERE A WAY TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE THAT CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS AREN'T ALLOWED ON AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY? YES. YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND AN ORDINANCE. OKAY, THERE IT IS.

WE COULD. LOOK, IF THERE IS NO GRANDFATHER, SOMETHING THAT'S NARROW AND THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT PUBLIC SAFETY.

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I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND OR HEAR WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY.

AS DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE SAID, THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES MAY BE UNIQUE, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE JUST THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE AGRICULTURE, A CERTAIN USE.

AND IT'S NARROW WHERE IT DOES NOT MAY NOT IMPLICATE THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS THAT THE ACTING PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR SAID.

SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NARROW BASED UPON A CATEGORY LIKE AGRICULTURAL OR SOME OTHER DEFINED CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THEM AND OTHERS LIKE THEM.

WELL, I THINK YOU GOT UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ON THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. EMILY PAWLAK.

I'M EMILY PAWLAK. ADDRESS 951 HAPPINESS AVENUE.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK THE CITY FOR HELP AND COMPASSION.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE DEDICATED OVER TWO DECADES TO EDUCATION IN THIS COMMUNITY.

TWO YEARS AGO, WE FOUNDED HAPPINESS HORSE FARM IN WILLS WAY ANIMAL SANCTUARY, PRESERVING ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING FARMS IN PALM BAY.

SINCE THEN, WITH THE HELP OF DEDICATED NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND VOLUNTEERS, WE'VE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO RESTORE AND OPEN IT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE DONE SO AT OUR EXPENSE ON PUBLIC EDUCATOR SALARIES, ALL WHILE STILL WORKING FULL TIME IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

BUT NOW WE'RE BEING THREATENED BY EXCESSIVE STORMWATER FEES AND CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT COULD FORCE US TO CLOSE OUR DOORS.

ONE MAJOR ISSUE IS OUR FARM'S DRIVEWAY, WHICH HAS EXISTED SINCE 1995.

PUBLIC WORKS RECENTLY CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT ON OUR DRIVEWAY, AND WE WERE TOLD WE MUST TEAR IT OUT AND REBUILD IT TO TODAY'S CODE, BECAUSE THE OLD OWNER NEVER PULLED A PERMIT 30 YEARS AGO. ALL THIS DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT HAS WORKED PROPERLY AND BEEN MAINTAINED FOR DECADES.

WE ARE AN AGRICULTURALLY EXEMPTED PROPERTY, NOT REQUIRED TO PERMIT FOR SUCH THINGS, BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS TOLD ME IT DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE THE CITY DOES NOT RECOGNIZE COUNTY EXEMPTIONS ON CITY PROPERTY, WHICH THEN ALL OF OUR DRIVEWAY SITS ON.

THIS SUDDEN ENFORCEMENT IS UNREASONABLE AND IF ENFORCED, WILL BLOCK ACCESS TO OUR SANCTUARY, IMPACTING THE CARE OF OUR ANIMALS AND THE THREE UPCOMING SCHOOL FIELD TRIPS WE HAVE SCHEDULED. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, OUR HEARING TO DEFEND OURSELVES IS SET ONE MONTH AFTER THE CORRECTION DEADLINE.

WE WERE TOLD WE WILL FACE FINES OF UP TO 1000 A DAY IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO BE HEARD.

OUR SECOND CHALLENGE IS EXCESSIVE STORMWATER FEES.

LAST YEAR WE WERE CHARGED $22,500 AND THIS YEAR OUR FEE IS $1,500, FAR ABOVE THE $50 MOST PALM BAY RESIDENTS PAY.

OUR LAND IS OPEN PASTURE WITH PONDS AND TREES, AND YET WE ARE CHARGED AS IF WE ARE FULLY DEVELOPED.

EVEN OUR RETENTION POND IS BEING TAXED. WHEN WE TRIED TO CHALLENGE IT LAST YEAR, WE MET ROADBLOCK AFTER ROADBLOCK, INCLUDING COSTLY REQUIREMENTS LIKE A $5,000 LAND SURVEY, LEAVING US NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY.

IN ALL HONESTY, THE CITY OF PALM BAY SHOULD BE PAYING US FOR STORMWATER.

HAVING ALLOWED ALL THESE NEW HOUSES TO BUILD 6 TO 8FT ABOVE OUR FARM, ALL AROUND OUR FARM, CAUSING THEIR HOUSE STORM WATER TO RUN OFF ONTO US AND FLOOD US? HAVING A HORSE FARM IS MORE THAN JUST A FARM.

IT'S A SANCTUARY FOR RESCUED ANIMALS AND AN EDUCATIONAL RESOURCE FOR CHILDREN TO LEARN ABOUT AGRICULTURE, NATURE AND COMPASSION. IN JUST OUR FIRST YEAR, NEARLY 1000 COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE VISITED FOR FREE TOURS, FIELD TRIPS, FOR MEETINGS, CELEBRATION, PUBLIC ART EVENTS AND VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES.

WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT ALLOW MANDATED COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS AS WELL AS BRIGHT FUTURE HOURS.

OUR WORK BENEFITS THE YOUNG AND OLD, NOT TO MENTION THE NATIVE WILDLIFE AND RESCUED ANIMALS THAT CALL OUR SANCTUARY HOME.

I WISH YOU COULD COME SEE KIDS AT OUR FARM. SMILES.

YOU WON'T GET ON ANY TABLET OR ELECTRONIC DEVICE.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A BUNCH OF KIDS RUNNING AROUND, NOT GLUED TO THEIR CELL PHONES? WE NEED YOUR HELP TO CONTINUE THIS.

I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THESE EXCESSIVE STORMWATER FEES AND RIGID CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS.

OUR SANCTUARY IS A NONPROFIT, AND WE NEED A FAIR, REASONABLE SOLUTION TO KEEP SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

WE HOPE YOU SEE THE VALUE IN WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE REALLY ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE ASSET TO THIS CITY.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERING OUR HARDSHIP REQUESTS. AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP TODAY. THANK YOU.

I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, MAYOR. LOOKING AT YOU.

THANK YOU, MRS. TURLOCK, AND THANK YOUR HUSBAND MR. TURLOCK, MY TEACHER BACK AT BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL.

BACK IN THE DAY. BUT MY QUESTION. THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS ON MARCH 6TH.

IT SAYS THE FEES WILL BEGIN ON MARCH 5TH. SO WE HAVE UNTIL MARCH 5TH, MARCH 5TH.

AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEETING IS MARCH 6TH. SO THAT'S STILL ONE DAY OF FEES OR FINES.

WELL, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY HOLD OFF ON YOU.

FOLLOW ME. WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN HER DIRECTION. THEY HAVE.

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WELL, ALL OF THAT CAN BE CONTINUED. OKAY. SO, NO, I'M JUST MAKING SURE.

OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER. CAN WE GET SOME CLARITY ON, LIKE, WHAT THOSE FEES LOOK LIKE AND HOW THEY'RE CALCULATED? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE EMAIL, THE STORMWATER ABOUT THE.

NO, HE'S HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE VIOLATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SHE SHE SPOKE ON STORMWATER FEES.

SO I KNOW THE COUNCIL IN THE PAST DECIDED ON STORMWATER FEES EVEN TO EVEN CHURCHES.

AND THAT WAS BLANKETED. I DIDN'T AGREE INITIALLY WITH THAT.

THEN THE ARGUMENT CAME THAT IF YOU'RE DOING FOR ONE, YOU, YOU SHOULD BE DOING IT FOR THE OTHER.

SO THIS COUNCIL DECIDED FOR EVERYONE STRAIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD TO, TO TO GET THAT.

NOW THAT CAN BE OVERTURNED AND IT WILL AFFECT ALL THE CHURCHES AS WELL.

WITHIN OUR CITY. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT I REMEMBER THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

UNLESS MAYBE IT HAS LANGUAGE ABOUT BEING AGRICULTURAL.

NO, I DON'T THINK IT. NO. OKAY. SO NEXT SPEAKER.

LESLIE LAMER. I BELIEVE YES. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LESLIE LADNER.

I'VE BEEN A FLORIDA PUBLIC EDUCATOR FOR OVER A QUARTER CENTURY TEACHING ENGLISH AND HISTORY.

MY FAMILY SETTLED BOTH SIDES OF THE STATE. MOM'S FOLK FARMING CATTLE IN HILLSBORO BEFORE THE GREAT DEPRESSION WIPED THEM OUT, AND DAD STARTED A PINEAPPLE FARM HERE IN SOUTH BREVARD BEFORE THE 1909 BLIGHT TOOK THEIR FAMILY FARM.

OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS, SMALL FAMILY FARMS HAVE DWINDLED AS FLORIDA DEVELOPMENT BOOMS. I AGREED TO JOIN MY FRIENDS EMILY AND NAIM TORLAK, AND SERVE AS A FOUNDING MEMBER ON THE BOARD OF THEIR NON-FOR-PROFIT SMALL FAMILY FARM.

I'VE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS ALONG WITH MY FAMILY OVER COUNTLESS DAYS, DRIVING ALMOST AN HOUR BOTH WAYS TO VOLUNTEER IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, I JOKE THAT IT'S MY SIDE HUSTLE, BUT I'VE NEVER RECEIVED A SINGLE CENT.

I HAVE SPENT MUCH OF MY PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER SALARY DRIVING ALL OVER THE COUNTY, FROM MIMS TO MERRITT ISLAND TO GRANT MEETING GARDENERS AND NURSERIES, BUYING EDIBLE PLANTS TO PUT ON THE FARM IN A COMMUNITY I DON'T LIVE IN BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE INITIATIVES WE ARE IMPLEMENTING AND WHAT THIS FARM IS DOING FOR OUR GREATER BREVARD COUNTY COMMUNITY. HOURS SPENT WRITING GRANTS ARE STARTING TO BEAR FRUIT.

WE JUST RECEIVED OUR FIRST GRANT FROM COMMUNITY GREENING OF FLORIDA, WHO DONATED FRUIT TREES THAT WERE INTEGRATING INTO OUR PERMACULTURE FOOD FOREST. IT'S DESIGNED TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY WHILE EDUCATING ABOUT RESPONSIBLE LAND MANAGEMENT AND FOOD PRODUCTION.

WE BECAME A STATE CERTIFIED FOUR-H LEADERS AND STARTED A FOUR-H CLUB THAT LOCAL VOTING FAMILIES ENJOY WITH THEIR KIDS, WITH MORE PROGRAMS PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE. EMILY AND I MET WITH HARMONY FARMS ABOUT HELPING KIDS THEY CANNOT CURRENTLY ACCOMMODATE IN THEIR THERAPEUTIC RIDING PROGRAMS. WE HOPE TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO INDIVIDUALS IN NEED IN PALM BAY BY BECOMING A CERTIFIED FARM WITH THE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION OF THERAPEUTIC HORSEMANSHIP. THE FARM HAS ALREADY HOSTED NUMEROUS LOCAL SCHOOL FIELD TRIPS, AND IS SCHEDULED FOR MORE IN THE COMING MONTHS.

THERE ARE SO MANY PEER REVIEWED STUDIES ON THE BENEFIT OF FARM EXPOSURE TO INFANTS, CHILDREN, DISABLED, VETERANS, AND COMMUNITIES. MY FRIENDS SPEND THEIR WEEKENDS AFTER WORKING 40 PLUS HOURS THROWING BIRTHDAY PARTIES AT PRICE POINTS IN MINIMUM WAGE.

SINGLE PARENT CAN AFFORD BECAUSE THEY WANT EVERY CHILD TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT ANIMALS EAT QUITE A LOT AND ALSO REQUIRE VETERINARY CARE, AMONG OTHER EXPENSES.

THEY'VE BUILT A THERAPY ARENA ON THEIR DIME WITH THE HELP OF ONE SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS WHO DID A GREAT JOB DONATING HIS TIME AND SOME MATERIALS. THEY DON'T HAVE BIG CORPORATE SPONSORS.

THE TORELAX ARE FUNDING THIS FARM IN PHILANTHROPY ON PUBLIC EDUCATOR SALARIES, WHICH IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD THAT THIS FARM IS DOING.

CAN YOU PLEASE DO SOMETHING GOOD TONIGHT AND COMMIT TO HELPING YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE NOT FOR PROFIT FIRM THAT SERVES IT.

THANK YOU. DEBBIE METZ.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS DEBBIE METZ. I LIVE AT 1007 HAPPINESS AVENUE, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

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I'M HERE AS A VOLUNTEER AND SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN FIRSTHAND THE INCREDIBLE IMPACT THIS SANCTUARY HAS ON BOTH ANIMALS AND PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I SPEND MY TIME AT THE SANCTUARY, HELPING WITH THE ANIMALS AND WORKING WITH THE KIDS WHO COME TO LEARN ABOUT KINDNESS, RESPONSIBILITY, NATURE IN OUR WORLD. IT'S NOT JUST A PLACE FOR ANIMALS.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE CHILDREN GROW. FAMILIES COME TOGETHER AND PEOPLE FIND HEALING AND PURPOSE.

IT'S A SANCTUARY IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE SANCTUARY IS STRUGGLING UNDER THE WEIGHT OF FEES AND DEMANDS THAT FEEL BOTH UNNECESSARY AND UNFAIR. THE STORMWATER FEE MEANT TO HOLD COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR IMPACT ON RUNOFF, SHOULDN'T BE APPLIED TO A NONPROFIT THAT ACTIVELY CONSERVES OPEN LAND, PROTECTS LOCAL WILDLIFE, AND WORKS TO REDUCE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND LET ME MENTION IT IS LANDLOCKED BY HOUSING, WHICH HAS BUILT UP ABOVE GROUND LEVEL, SO THERE IS NO RUNOFF. IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW A PLACE DEDICATED TO HELPING THE COMMUNITY AND PRESERVING NATURE IS BEING PENALIZED, AS IF IT WAS ANOTHER BUSINESS. AND THEN THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY.

IT'S BEEN SERVING THE FARM AND NOW THE SANCTUARY, SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY SINCE 1995.

IT HASN'T CAUSED PROBLEMS, AND YET NOW IT'S BEING LABELED ILLEGAL WITH THE EXPECTATION TO BE REBUILT.

A MASSIVE, COSTLY PROJECT THAT SERVES NO REAL PURPOSE OTHER THAN CREATING FINANCIAL STRAIN.

AS SOMEONE WHO SEES THE IMPACT OF EVERY DOLLAR, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO FEED THE ANIMALS, TEACH LOCAL KIDS ABOUT NATURE, ANIMAL CARE, OR SIMPLY KEEPING THE SANCTUARY RUNNING, IT'S PAINFUL TO THINK OF THOSE RESOURCES BEING WASTED ON UNNECESSARY COSTS LIKE THIS.

THE SANCTUARY ISN'T A BUSINESS TURNING PROFITS.

IT'S A PLACE THAT GIVES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, AND I RESPECT THAT.

BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

THE SANCTUARY IS PART OF WHAT MAKES THIS COMMUNITY SPECIAL.

IT OFFERS SOMETHING RARE. A PLACE WHERE EDUCATION, COMPASSION AND CONSERVATION COME TOGETHER, BURDENING IT, BURDENING IT WITH FEES AND FORCING CHANGES LIKE A NEW DRIVEWAY DOESN'T JUST HURT THE SANCTUARY, IT HURTS THE KIDS, THE ANIMALS, AND THE VOLUNTEERS DONATING TIME TO KEEP IT GOING.

PLEASE RECONSIDER. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT PLACES LIKE THIS AND NOT PUNISH THEM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. SPEAKER.

SAWYER. SAWYER. ROBERTS. ROBERTSON.

BRANDY. MARTIN. HE'S NOT COMING UP.

BRANDY MARTIN, 2891 GAY BIRCH AVENUE. GOOD EVENING.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT AN IMPORTANT COMMUNITY ASSET, WHICH WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT HOLDS A SPECIAL PLACE IN THE HEARTS OF MANY OF BREVARD'S RESIDENTS. HAPPINESS HORSE FARM HAPPINESS HORSE FARM IS MORE THAN JUST A FARM.

IT'S A SANCTUARY FOR RESCUED ANIMALS, A PLACE WHERE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES COME TOGETHER TO EXPERIENCE THE BEAUTY OF NATURE AND A HUB OF LEARNING AND VOLUNTEERISM FOR OUR YOUTH.

THE FARM IS HOME TO ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN RESCUED FROM DIRE SITUATIONS.

THESE ANIMALS, ONCE ABANDONED OR NEGLECTED, NOW HAVE A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE THANKS TO THE COMPASSIONATE CARE THEY RECEIVE HERE.

THIS IS NOT JUST A STORY OF ANIMALS BEING SAVED.

IT'S A STORY OF HEALING FOR BOTH THE ANIMALS AND THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT.

AS PALM BAY CONTINUES TO GROW AND LAND BECOMES INCREASINGLY SCARCE, PLACES LIKE HAPPINESS HORSE FARM ARE BECOMING EVEN MORE ESSENTIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WITH SO MUCH OF OUR LAND BEING DEVELOPED, THE VALUE OF PRESERVING GREEN SPACES, FARMS AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS CANNOT BE OVERSTATED.

THIS FARM OFFERS OUR RESIDENTS A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH NATURE, A PRECIOUS COMMODITY THAT IS BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER TO FIND IN AN URBANIZING WORLD.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE ANIMALS AND THE ENVIRONMENT THAT MAKE THIS FARM SPECIAL. IT PLAYS A CRUCIAL ROLE IN THE EDUCATION OF OUR YOUTH THROUGH FOUR AGE PROGRAMS, FIELD TRIPS, AND VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES. LOCAL STUDENTS ARE ENRICHED BY LEARNING FIRSTHAND ABOUT ANIMAL CARE, RESPONSIBILITY, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

THIS KIND OF HANDS ON EDUCATION IS PRICELESS AND HELPS SHAPE THE LEADERS OF TOMORROW.

SPEAKING OF THE STUDENTS HAPPINESS, HORSE FARM IS ALSO A PLACE WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN EARN VOLUNTEER HOURS, SOMETHING THAT IS ESSENTIAL FOR HIGH SCHOOLERS AS THEY WORK TOWARDS GRADUATION AND WORK TOWARDS EARNING THEIR BRIGHT FUTURE SCHOLARSHIPS.

IT GIVES THEM THE CHANCE TO DEVELOP A STRONG WORK ETHIC, CONNECT WITH ANIMALS, AND SPEND MEANINGFUL TIME IN NATURE.

THESE ARE EXPERIENCES THAT THEY SIMPLY CANNOT GET IN A CLASSROOM OR ONLINE.

AND YET, DESPITE ALL THE GOOD THE FARM BRINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY, IT IS FACING EXORBITANT FEES AND PRESSURE THAT THREATEN ITS EXISTENCE.

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WE CANNOT IGNORE THE INVALUABLE SERVICES THAT HAPPINESS HORSE FARM PROVIDES TO PALM BAY.

WE CANNOT DISREGARD THE ROLE IT PLAYS IN ENRICHING THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN, OFFERING SANCTUARY TO ANIMALS IN NEED, AND PRESERVING A SLICE OF NATURE IN A RAPIDLY DEVELOPING CITY.

AS MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT KIND OF CITY DO WE WANT TO BE? DO WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE DEVELOPMENT AT THE COST OF THE UNIQUE, LIFE ENRICHING SPACES THAT GIVE OUR COMMUNITY ITS SOUL? OR DO WE WANT TO SUPPORT AND PROTECT PLACES LIKE HAPPINESS HORSE FARM, WHICH BRINGS SO MUCH VALUE TO OUR RESIDENTS? I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THE FEES AND THE PRESSURES BEING PLACED ON THIS IMPORTANT COMMUNITY ASSET.

LET'S STAND TOGETHER IN SUPPORT OF THIS FARM, ITS ANIMALS, AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR. ALEXIS.

OVALLE. BRIAN. BRIAN. BRIAN. BRIAN.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND, YOUNG LADY. HOLD ON. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SEE YOU.

SO GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I DECIDED TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE HAPPINESS HORSE FARM MEANS A LOT TO ME, AND I WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.

I'VE BEEN RIDING HORSES FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, AND HAPPINESS HORSE FARM HAS GIVEN ME A HUGE LEAP IN MY EQUINE JOURNEY.

I WHEN I RIDE, THAT'S THE MAIN THING I FOCUS ON.

BUT WITH THE HELP OF MISS EMILY, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LEARN A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT HORSES, FARMING AND RESPONSIBILITY IN GENERAL.

MY DREAM IS TO ONE DAY OWN A FARM AND HAVE A FEW HORSES OF MY OWN.

ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED FROM MISS EMILY IS HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY A HORSE IS, AND HOW TIME CONSUMING IT IS.

HAPPINESS. HORSE FARM ALSO BENEFITS MANY ANIMALS BY GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO LIVE A BETTER LIFE.

IT'S HAPPINESS. HORSE FARM IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GROW MY LOVE FOR ANIMALS MORE THAN I ALREADY HAVE.

THERE ARE SO FEW PLACES WHERE I CAN GO AND LEARN VALUABLE SKILLS THAT I NEED TO SEE MY DREAMS COME TRUE.

I HOPE TO SEE YOU PROSPER AND SEE THE ANIMALS WHO CALL THIS FARM HOME, LIVE HAPPY LIVES THERE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

ALEXIS. ALEXIS. HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? ALEXIS. A VALLEY, A VALLEY. MR. VALLEY, YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST COURAGEOUS LEADERS AT YOUR AGE I'VE EVER MET. THANK YOU. YOU ARE. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT UNITED STATES SENATOR.

GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU.

SARAH. ROSIELLO. RUSS. RUSS. HELLO.

I'M A LITTLE TALLER THAN THE LAST. SORRY. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SARAH BRESLOW. 1626 GOULD AVENUE, SOUTHWEST.

I COME TO YOU TODAY FOR MANY REASONS. ONE I'M NOT THAT LONG OF A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY.

I MOVED HERE A FEW YEARS AGO. I BLAME MY HUSBAND FOR THAT ONE.

GOT ME OUT OF THE COLD NORTH, WHICH I DO ENJOY.

BUT I MOVED HERE AND I COMMITTED TO THIS COMMUNITY.

I'M A TEACHER WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. I AM A RESIDENT AND I'M A PARENT OF CHILDREN THAT BENEFIT FROM HAPPINESS.

HORSE FARMS. WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE, MY CHILDREN WERE SO ANXIOUS.

EVERY NIGHT WAS MET WITH TEARS. EVERY NIGHT WAS MET WITH SADNESS BECAUSE THIS WAS NEW TO US.

UPON ATTENDING OUR FIRST EVENT, HAPPINESS HORSE FARMS, MY CHILDREN BLOSSOMED.

THEY WERE MET WITH LOVE. THEY WERE MET WITH JOY.

THEY WERE MET WITH COMPASSION THAT CAN ONLY BE FELT IN SUCH AN OPEN AND WARM ENVIRONMENT.

TO HAVE THESE FINES IMPOSED ON HAPPINESS. HORSE FARMS TO HAVE SUCH EXORBITANT FEES IMPOSED ON HAPPINESS HORSE FARMS HINDERS THEIR ABILITY TO FURTHER ASSIST CHILDREN LIKE MINE, HINDERS THEIR ABILITY TO NOT HELP THE STUDENTS THAT I SERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT I VALUE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT I WATCH, GROW AND FLOURISH IN THIS COMMUNITY. I WILL SPEAK TO WHAT MY PROFESSION IS.

I'M A HISTORY TEACHER, AND MANY TIMES I SEE PEOPLE FALL ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.

WE ARE RIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

OUR MOTTO IS A PERFECT PLACE TO GROW. AND YET HERE WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT A PLACE THAT ALLOWS OUR RESIDENTS TO GROW.

SO I ASK YOU, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING DECISIONS REGARDING HAPPINESS HORSE FARMS YOU CONSIDER DO YOU WANT TO FALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY OR THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY? WHEN WE REFLECT ON HOW PALM BAY IS WRITTEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ANYA PAWLAK.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, DEAR CITY COUNCILMEN.

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THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR KIDS TO LEARN AND HAVE FUN.

THEY HOST BIRTHDAY PARTIES, FIELD TRIPS FOR MEETINGS, AND A WHOLE LOT MORE.

I LEARNED SO MUCH THERE, LIKE HOW TO CATCH FISH, GROOM AND RIDE HORSES, PLANT GARDENS, MELT COWS, AND TAKE CARE OF INJURED ANIMALS. THE FARM HOSTS EVENTS THAT ARE FUN AND EDUCATIONAL.

NOT ONLY KIDS LIKE DOING THESE ACTIVITIES. ADULTS DO TOO.

HAPPINESS HORSE FARM IS IMPORTANT TO OUR KIDS AND COMMUNITY, SO PLEASE HELP THE FARM.

YOU'RE NOT ONLY HELPING THEM, YOU'RE HELPING YOUR OUR KIDS AND COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYA. YOU KNOW, YOU YOU AND ALEXIS ARE OUTSTANDING LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT BECAUSE OF YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. LENA.

WILL.

GOOD EVENING. I'M MEENA WILL, EMILY'S MOTHER.

I'VE BEEN ON THE FRONT LINE FROM DAY ONE OF THIS TRIAL.

SAVING THIS FARM AND GIVING THEM THEIR HEART AND SOUL FOR THIS SPECIAL PLACE IN PALM BAY.

TWO YEARS AGO, EMILY'S YOUNGER SISTER. MY DAUGHTER PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY, LEAVING HER EQUINE RESCUE WITHOUT A HOME OR OWNER.

EMILY DECIDED TO TAKE ON THE SISTER'S CURRENT SET OF RESCUES AND OPEN A NONPROFIT IN MEMORY OF HER SISTER AND MY DAUGHTER.

THE FARM AND THE SANCTUARY IS MORE THAN A SPECIAL PLACE.

IT MEANS SO MUCH MORE TO US. THE LOVE AND DEVOTION THAT EVERY ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS SHOWS IS A TRIBUTE TO ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THEY HAVE GONE INTO THIS SPECIAL PLACE. I HOPE THAT PALM BAY REALIZES THE WORTH OF THIS FARM THAT MAKES PALM BAY STAND OUT AS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, AND NOT A PLACE WITH THESE UNREALISTIC RESTRICTIONS THAT HURT AND JEOPARDIZE THE FARM VOLUNTEERS AND PEOPLE THAT LOVE THIS UNIQUE PLACE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, JAMES DOUGLAS.

SAY IT AGAIN, JAMES. DOUGLAS. MR. DOUGLAS. OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER. MANUEL GARCIA.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I'M UP HERE TONIGHT. MANUEL GARCIA, 2098 HARBOR AVENUE NORTHEAST.

REGARDING SOME CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING UP AT THE CORNER OF LAKEWOOD AND LAWNDALE.

IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE, WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED THERE.

I'M UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT.

SO APARTMENT COMPLEX TYPE THING. AND WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I DO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYORS WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED THERE.

WE DON'T SEE ANY SIGNAGE. WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING.

HAVEN'T BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANYTHING. SO THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHO APPROVES REZONING OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS? IF IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY, THEN WHO APPROVES IT TO BE REZONED? AND THEN FINALLY THE DO THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE NOTIFIED OF WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ZONING OR REZONING? AND ALSO DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THAT REZONING? THOSE ARE ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, SIR. THEY ARE. OKAY.

MR. MORGAN. YEAH, I'M. I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY GET BACK WITH THE GENTLEMAN AND ANSWER ALL OF HIS QUESTIONS.

SO WHAT I LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS SEE THIS YOUNG LADY RIGHT HERE.

GIVE HER. MAKE SURE THAT YOU COMMUNICATE WITH HER.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS AGAIN? THE THE CORNER OF LAKEWOOD AND LAWNDALE. I THINK WE'VE GOT A SPEAKER CARD ON HIM, DO WE NOT? YEAH, BUT NOT WITH THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY.

SO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THERE. OKAY. GIVE IT TO MR. MORGAN. WE'LL GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS, SIR. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PAT. PAT. DALPRA. I'LL GET A PHONE NUMBER.

I'M NOT THAT TALL, BUT I WANT. PAT DOWN FOR TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE NORTHEAST.

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THE VERSE IS EXCEPT THE LORD BUILD THE HOUSE, THEY LABOR IN VAIN THAT BUILD IT, EXCEPT THE LORD KEEP THE CITY, THE WATCHMAN WAKE, BUT IN VAIN. A COUPLE OF THINGS I DIDN'T GET A TIMELINE ON.

WHAT THE MASTER PLAN, WHEN, WHAT AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO START THAT AT FRED POPPY.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT WITH THE THE CAMERAS FOR THE SCHOOLS WERE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR SEVERAL TIMES AT COUNCIL MEETINGS.

SO IF YOU WEREN'T HERE, THEN YOU MISSED IT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SEPTIC TO SEWER.

MY SEPTIC TANK IS 45 YEARS OLD. SO IF I HAVE TO GET A NEW SEPTIC TANK WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, AND THEN THE CITY DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO DO SEWER IN MY AREA, THEN WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT FOR ME? I DON'T THINK MY SEPTIC TANK IS GOING TO GO THAT SHORTLY.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT CONCERNS MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE OLD SEPTIC TANKS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH MONEY BECAUSE I THINK SEPTIC TANKS, THE NEW ONES ARE COSTING ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $30,000. I CAN'T AFFORD THAT. COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE THOSE APARTMENTS ON MALABAR ROAD, AND THERE'S THAT SPACE THAT IS NOT BEING DEVELOPED WHEN NEW BUILDERS COME IN.

AND JAKE WISE HAS BEEN HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND HIS DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING IN.

ARE WE KEEPING HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE COMMERCIALS THAT HE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT? IT'S GOING TO COME IN. AND I THINK HE WAS THE ONE THAT DID MALABAR ROAD.

YOU HAVE TWO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THERE AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE.

ALSO STORAGE UNIT ON BABCOCK IS A BIG EYESORE RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ENDED UP APPROVING THAT ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING ON THAT ONE BETTER THAN ANY OTHER BUILDING ALONG THAT ROAD, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS AN EYESORE, AND I HOPE WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THOSE STORAGE UNITS.

MR. JOHNSON. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DONNA DOUGLAS. WELL, QUICK QUESTION. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS ON THAT ALDI'S THAT ALDI'S WAS APPROVED BACK LIKE I THINK 2019. YEAH, BUT WHEN DIXIE, THEY BOUGHT OUT WINN DIXIE.

OKAY. SO THAT THAT THAT STOPPED THAT. BUT HOWEVER I HEAR THAT THEY'RE SELLING OR THEY ARE SO.

OKAY. SELLING THE WINN DIXIE BRAND. SO BUT I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY STOPPED.

OKAY. IF YOU REMEMBER ALDI'S PURCHASE. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT SPEAKER. DONALD DOUGLAS. GOD BLESS WINN DIXIE.

HELLO. MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND STAFF. I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE.

SO I'M GOING TO FURTHER ON WHAT MR. GARCIA WAS TALKING ABOUT AT THE END OF LAKEWOOD DRIVE.

THERE'S BEEN CLEARING OF LAND THERE. WE'VE CALLED THE CITY SINCE IT FIRST GOT CLEARED, AND THERE WAS NO INFORMATION THE CITY COULD GIVE US AT THAT TIME.

THEY IT GREW BACK UP. THEY HAVE NOW CLEARED IT AGAIN.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO AUTHORIZED THE DIRT DRIVEWAYS TO BE PUT IN WITH SOME TYPE OF PIPING UNDER IT, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAND.

PERSON DID, BUT FROM WHAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND, THAT HAS NOT BEEN FINALLY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY AS THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS THERE. FIRST OF ALL, THE LAND IS ONLY 0.7 ACRES.

THERE'S NOT THE PIPE STRUCTURE TO EVEN BUILD THERE.

LONG BEFORE YOU GUYS WERE EVER HERE THE SAINT JOHN'S RIVER MANAGEMENT DENIED ANY BUILDING THERE BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A PIPE SYSTEM TO SUPPORT IT.

I, FOR ONE, DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE. I'M A 67 YEAR OLD NATIVE OF PALM BAY.

I'VE SEEN EVERY CHANGE IN THE WORLD THAT THIS PLACE CAN HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE WITH THE HORSES.

CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYBODY THAT SPOKE. DONNA USED TO BE A HORSE TOWN.

LOOK. I'M SORRY. OKAY? SO, ANYWAY AND I RODE MY HORSES EVERYWHERE, SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, WHY WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NEVER TOLD THAT THIS COULD BE A POSSIBILITY OR OR A COUNCIL MEETING ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'RE ALL OBJECTING. WE HAVE A LOT OF CRIME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SPEEDING.

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THE HIGHEST WAS 89MPH, AND THE AVERAGE SPEED WAS 45MPH.

YOU HAD ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX LIKE THE PINES APARTMENT THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

THAT'S CAUSING THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. IT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER.

THERE IS NOT ONE MAILBOX ON LAKEWOOD DRIVE THAT HAS NOT BEEN BOWLED OVER MORE THAN ONCE, AND OURS WAS JUST HIT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

THE LADY OR THE MAN NEXT TO US, HIS WAS SPLIT IN HALF FROM AN INDIVIDUAL ON THE PHONE THAT TIME.

MOST OF THE TIME IT'S SPEEDING. SO WE OBJECT TO ANY KIND OF BUILDING LIKE THAT.

IF IT WAS BUILDING, THERE'S 11 HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IF THEY WERE BUILDING HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE FINE. BUT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE HALF ACRE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE IS JUST WRONG.

EVERY DAY, EVERY NEIGHBOR THAT LIVES ON LAKEWOOD PICKS UP TRASH IN THEIR YARD BECAUSE THE PEOPLE BACK THERE DON'T VALUE THE DECENCY OF PUTTING IT IN A GARBAGE CAN. YOU KNOW, WE GET MORE TRAFFIC DOWN OUR ROAD THAN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A HEARING WITH YOU GUYS OR SOMETHING, OR SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK ON WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE AND HOW WE CAN RISE UP AND VOTE AGAINST IT. SO, DONNA, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR IS YOU JUST PROVIDED ME THE COORDINATES OF THAT LOCATION THAT'S EAST OF THE PINE TREE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? AND I ACTUALLY VISITED DOWN THAT CORRIDOR ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO.

YEAH. WE'VE HAD YOU THERE BEFORE. YEAH. AND I LOOKED AT THAT SITE AND SO I NOW I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT LOCATION IS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU SOME ANSWERS. AND I'M, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS AS WELL BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT IS SUCH A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IT IS. THAT YOU LIVE IN.

AND IT'S. PEOPLE JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW. IT'S IT'S PRETTY HIDDEN.

AND IT'S A GOOD COMMUNITY. THANKS FOR THE COORDINATES.

THE FIRST IN PALM BAY. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

BACK IN THE DAY. YES. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS DONNA.

JUDY CRANDALL. WELL, GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR FUTURE. I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT, SENATOR.

STATE SENATOR MARTIN HAS PROPOSED A BILL TO ELIMINATE AD VALOREM TAXES. HE IS GOING TO DO A STUDY THAT WILL BE DUE OCTOBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR ON OTHER WAYS TO FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO RECEIVE REVENUE.

IF THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE IN TROUBLE. SO I'M, I AM PROPOSING THAT WHEN WE HAVE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PLEASE CONSIDER CONSUMPTION TAX. WE HAVE TO HAVE RETAIL STORES THAT WILL CHARGE SALES TAX.

AND I COMMEND MR. MORGAN AND WEST MELBOURNE. THEY'VE GOT A HUGE SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY CHARGE.

WHAT IS IT, A HALF A PENNY TAX. SALES TAX? I DON'T KNOW WHY PALM BAY HAS NOT THOUGHT OF AN ADDITIONAL HALF PENNY.

PENNY? UP TO TWO PENNY SALES TAX FOR THE CITY.

WHEN I WAS IN AT THE DEALERSHIP, I HAD TO FILL OUT ALL THE SALES TAX.

THERE ARE. THERE ARE CITIES THAT ARE COLLECTING 2% SALES TAX, CONSUMPTION TAX WITHIN THE CITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PAST COUNCIL AND STAFF AND PLANNING AND ZONING CONCENTRATED ON BRINGING IN POPULATION HOMES, DEVELOPMENT CLUSTER HOMES, THAT TYPE OF THING.

THEY REALLY DID NOT DO A DO US A FAVOR. SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU THINK FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BILL WILL PASS, BUT IF IT EVER GETS ON A REFERENDUM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY PROPERTY TAX OWNER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WILL VOTE FOR IT.

SO TRY TO THINK OF CONVERTING. WE NEED SALES TAX REVENUE.

AND I GOT ANOTHER IDEA. BUT IT'S TOO WILD. SO ANYWAY, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE THE SURPLUS TAX THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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PARDON ME. HAMMOCK LANDING IN NORFOLK, WHICH YOU SAID THAT YOU YOU WENT AND PAID EXTRA TAXES, A SURTAX. IS IT THE BUSINESSES ON NORFOLK NORTH OF PALM BAY ROAD? YES. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I THINK AND CITY. YEAH.

WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THAT.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THAT'S A THAT WAS A DEVELOPMENT TAX.

BUT LET ME JUST SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PALM BAY THEY WERE.

THEY CAME FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO ANNEX, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HAD THIS BOARD BEEN ON THIS DAIS, WE WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT ANNEXATION. RIGHT? MR. MORGAN, SHE REFERS TO THAT TAX. SO. AND WE YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR ALL THE FINE WORK YOU DID IN WEST MELBOURNE, SIR. SO I'LL ECHO WHAT SHE SAYS, BUT CARRY ON.

YES. YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT IS A CD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT SHOP THERE DO PAY A TAX. AND THAT'S WHAT PAID FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND SO THAT'S A TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE UNDER STATE STATUTE TO PROVIDE REVENUE THAT SUPPORTS GROWTH SO THAT THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES ARE NOT BURDENED BY THAT, BUT THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE AND THOSE THAT SHOP THERE ARE THE ONES THAT PAY FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? MA'AM? THERE'S. I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING, TRYING TO RAISE OR TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH OUR 3% CAP.

THAT WAS DEFEATED THE LAST REGULAR ELECTION TWO YEARS AGO.

BUT IF YOU REALLY NEED REVENUE, THINK OUT OF THE BOX.

THE CITY CAN PROPOSE TO HAVE A ONE HALF CENT $0.01 SALES TAX.

IT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE HOMEOWNERS. THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU GARY.

GOOD NIGHT COUNCIL. AL GORE, 1680 MAIN STREET.

ARTIST PALM BAY. I MUST SAY, I'VE BEEN OUTNUMBERED ON THAT SAME FARM SITUATION THAT MENTIONED SO MUCH CITIZEN.

I TALK HIGHLY ABOUT THAT FARM. I ACTUALLY DONATE SOME MATERIAL AND LABOR ON THAT PROJECT TO GET IT.

I THINK IT DESERVES ALL OF THAT. SO LET'S HOPE THE CITY CAN DONATE SOMETHING TOWARDS THEM TOO.

I'M LIVING IN NORTHEAST PALM BAY BY MAIN STREET AND WE HAVE ABOUT 50 RESIDENTS UP THERE.

I OWN, LIKE, A BLOCK LIKE TWO AND A HALF ACRES AND ABOUT 50 HOMES.

MAYBE WE HAVE 3 OR 4 RESIDENTS THAT HAS A PAVED DRIVEWAY.

ALL THESE DRIVEWAY ARE DIRT, GRAVEL, ANYTHING GRASS.

AND THEY ARE THEIR RESIDENTS AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CULVERT.

AND I GUESS MY THIS HOME I BOUGHT SEVEN YEARS AGO, I THINK EIGHT YEARS I RESIGNED.

I BOUGHT THIS PLACE. THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1955, YOU KNOW.

BUT WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT THERE IS SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT PLACES HERE IN THE CITY THAT IS NOT UP TO TODAY CODE.

AND I ACTUALLY GOT A VIOLATION BECAUSE I GOT TWO DRIVEWAYS, THREE DRIVEWAYS TO MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE.

IT'S TWO AND A HALF ACRES AND ONE IS PAVED. THAT GOES TO MY HOUSE AND THEN THE OTHER TWO IS NOT PAVED.

AND I GOT A VIOLATION, A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION FOR THAT TOO.

YOU KNOW, I GOT IT IN COMPLIANCE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY MAY BE OVERREACTING A LITTLE MORE THAN THEY SHOULD.

SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, I GOT SEVEN VIOLATIONS AND I GOT THREE ON FOR DONALD DRIVE THAT.

I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS DOING THE SAME BUSINESS.

THESE ARE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES. AND I GOT THREE VIOLATIONS OVER THERE WITH THREE LOTS.

I GOT THREE LOTS BESIDE EACH OTHER. AND I THINK THEY'RE OVERREACTING OR I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS, YOU KNOW, ACTING ON TOO MUCH POWER OR WHAT, BUT I THINK SOMETHING IS WRONG AND IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE I AM PROBABLY TARGETED. IT MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I MAY BE DISCRIMINATED.

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I CAME HERE IN 1985, AND MOST OF THESE PROPERTY, I'VE BEEN THERE AT LEAST 30 YEARS, OCCUPIED THEM MY OWN.

AND THIS IS NOT RIGHT. WE NEED TO WE NEED NEW BUSINESSES, BUT WE NEED TO PROTECT AND TAKE CARE OF WHO IS HERE ORIGINALLY AND WHO STARTED THIS CITY. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.

HEY, MAYOR, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? STAFFER ASKED ME. WELL, EITHER WHOEVER, BUT IT'S IN REFERENCE TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO LATER TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT VARIANCES FOR SOME HOME BUILDINGS.

IS THE DRIVEWAY SITUATION SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, AS A COUNCIL COULD COME UP ON A ONE BY ONE BASIS IF SOMEBODY WAS IN THIS SITUATION AND WE COULD GRANT THEM A VARIANCE.

AND THEY'RE ONE OF OURSELVES WITHOUT THE PROCESS.

IS THAT. NO. I MEAN, IS THERE A PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN WHERE THEN STAFF COULD BRING IT TO US AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR A DRIVEWAY LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LATER TONIGHT ON SOME BUILDING. MR. MORGAN, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT PROCESS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF IS CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THE CODES THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTS. FOR CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE HORSE FARM, CRAFT AN ORDINANCE NARROWLY ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, BUT NOT YOU KNOW, MASSIVELY CHANGE THE BASIC POLICY FOR DEVELOPMENT. BUT I WOULD NOT ADVISE A ONE BY ONE DRIVEWAY PERMIT TO THE COUNCIL OR OR THE MEETINGS WOULD BECOME EVEN LONGER. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER DOES THAT.

THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THE HORSE FARM IN PARTICULAR.

RIGHT. SINCE WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE GIVEN OUR UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON THAT.

PART OF THAT IS THE THE DISCUSSION OF IT BEING AGRICULTURAL, AND THEY'RE PAYING ABSORBENT STORMWATER FEES. SO CAN WE LOOK AT HOW WE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME? SO I BELIEVE, MAYOR, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A STORMWATER UTILITY CREDIT AVAILABLE.

THERE'S SOME CERTAIN FORMS ON THE WEBSITE THAT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN LOOK AT AND MAYBE WORK WITH STAFF ON SUBMITTING THESE FORMS FOR STORMWATER CREDIT SO THEY WOULD QUALIFY MAYBE.

WELL, THEY MAY QUALIFY. ONE THING I WOULD ALSO SO ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ADDRESS THIS ISOLATED INCIDENT THIS THIS AGRICULTURAL LAND, AS YOU WILL TO SEE HOW THEY CAN NOT ONLY BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN OR LACK FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BUT SEEING HOW WE COULD GIVE THEM THOSE CREDITS AND INCLUDE THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE AVENUE, THEN LET'S LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE CREDITS AS WELL.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE CLARITY TO FROM FROM STAFF IF IT'S WHAT THE ZONING ACTUALLY IS.

I KNOW WE THROW IN THE WORD AGRICULTURE AROUND, BUT I BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE RURAL RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, SO IT'S ONE ACRE LOTS. FIVE ACRE LOTS. YES, IT IS RURAL.

RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? YEAH, IT WAS MINE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS, IS ON THE OVERVIEW THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THE WATER FROM AROUND THE AREA IS ACTUALLY FLOWING ONTO THIS PROPERTY.

WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR STORMWATER FEET, ARE WE ARE WE GIVING ANY KIND OF EXEMPTIONS TO SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER A WATERSHED? BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE WATER FLOWING OFF OF THIS PROPERTY, ONLY ONTO THIS PROPERTY.

THE OVERHEAD SHOWS A LOT OF DRY CANALS AROUND IT, BUT THERE'S STILL STANDING WATER ON THE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T LIKE THE ONE TIME THING. I DO, LIKE IF THERE IS, IF YOU COULD DEEM SOMETHING A WATERSHED.

I UNDERSTAND SOME KIND OF EXEMPTION FOR THAT, BUT I KNOW BEING THE FARM WATER AND GRASS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

SO THE OVERHEAD KIND OF MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S HOLDING A LOT OF WATER.

SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING SAYING IF THAT'S A WATERSHED FOR THE AREA OR NOT.

MR. MORGAN. YES. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THAT I'VE LEARNED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 12 WEEKS IS THAT OUR STORMWATER FEE IS EXACTLY THAT. IT'S A FEE. IT IS NOT AN ASSESSMENT BASED ON BENEFIT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE VOTERS OF PALM BAY SOME TIME AGO VOTED TO PUT IN THE CITY'S CHARTER THAT WE,

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SO THE FEE STRUCTURE IS WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED? CERTAINLY. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY UPDATED ANNUALLY AND SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE METHODOLOGY CAN BE CONSIDERED. SO WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR TO QUALIFY FOR THE STORMWATER CREDIT? I WOULD RELY ON PUBLIC WORKS FOR FOR THAT ANSWER.

IN TERMS OF THE DETAIL OF THE CREDIT, AGAIN, IF IT WERE AN ASSESSMENT, I WOULD KNOW THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WEST MELBOURNE DOES IT. BUT PALM BAY DOES IT AS A FEE.

I JUST WANT TO EXPLORE THAT NOW. DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU BROUGHT IT UP INITIALLY, SO CARRY ON, SIR.

MY NAME IS DANIEL BLASCO. I AM WORKING AS A TEMPORARY CITY ENGINEER.

THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE. THERE IS A CREDIT THAT IS AVAILABLE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, IF THE SITE IS CONTAINING STORMWATER.

IT DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT THAT IS BEING CONTAINED.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THERE IS A CREDIT APPLIED TO IF IT'S UNDEVELOPED.

SO ONLY 15% OF THE AREA IS BEING ASSESSED FOR THAT FEE.

OKAY. SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS HAVE THEY APPLIED BEFORE FOR THAT STORM WATER TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION? CORRECT. DO WE DO WE KNOW IF THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THAT CREDIT BEFORE? IS MY QUESTION. I BELIEVE SHE WAS DENIED. SHE APPLIED.

SHE APPLIED AND WAS DENIED BASED ON I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS WERE, BUT SHE WAS DENIED.

OKAY. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING ON, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE ALL IN CONSENSUS WITH LOOKING AT THE FARM. IT IS RURAL, RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE'RE WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT IN FAVOR OF REDOING THAT WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE, I KNOW BUTCH WAS ASKING QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK WE GAVE HIM ANY, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION OR WHO HE SHOULD TALK TO EARLIER.

AND I KNOW SHE LEFT, BUT MISS KRISTEN I FEEL I DON'T FEEL SHE'S TAKEN A JAB AT THE CITY.

I THINK SHE'S LOOKING MORE FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT ACTS LIKE THE USA PATRIOT ACT, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, THERE'S SOME CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE THERE. SO I THINK SHE'S MORE LOOKING AT THE BIG BROTHER SIDE OF THINGS, NOT THE CITY OF PALM BAY. SO I FEEL MAYBE IF WE CAN JUST GET HER WITH DEPUTY CHIEF SPEARS OR CHIEF AJELLO TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH WHAT WE DO.

SO SHE HAS A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF OUR TRANSPARENCY ON OUR END.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FEDS AND WHAT THE STATE LEVEL DOES, BUT WE CAN BE TRANSPARENT ON OUR END.

SO I FEEL MAYBE IF WE GAVE HER A CALL OR JUST KIND OF SHOWED HER WHAT WE DO, SHE'LL SEE.

OKAY, THIS IS HOW THEY DO IT, OKAY? I'M AT PEACE WITH IT, SO I'M NOT SURE IT'S WORTH A SHOT, BUT. WELL. AND THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT ALREADY.

OKAY. SO. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT HAS ENSUED AND AND KIND OF LIKE WE DID VISIT THESE FALL CAMERAS IN PUBLIC.

WE DID DISCUSS THIS IN PUBLIC. ALTHOUGH THE COMMENTS THAT SAY CONTRARY.

RIGHT. BUT THE WAY I REMEMBER IS THAT THIS CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AS WELL.

BUT CERTAINLY TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IF YOU FEEL ANOTHER CONVERSATION IS WARRANTED, THEN IF ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN HAD, THEN YEAH. OKAY.

I WASN'T AWARE. SO HAVE WE. CAN I GET A CONFIRMATION? HAS A CONVERSATION ENSUED WITH THE YOUNG LADY THAT COMES TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FOG? IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SEEING NODDING. OKAY. I SEE A THUMBS UP.

SO DOES THAT SATISFY YOU, SIR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE ARE NOW ON CONSENT.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

YEAH. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

I'LL SECOND. I GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REMOVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES. PASSES. UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS. ITEM NUMBER ONE. YES. OH, AS YOU WERE.

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AMENDING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 35, ADOPTING THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 THROUGH 2025 THROUGH 2028 THROUGH 2029 FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

RESCINDING RESOLUTIONS OR PARTS OF RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. ORDINANCE 2020 5-07 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE NAMING OF A PRIVATE DRIVE LOCATED WITHIN LOTS NINE 214 CISSNA PARK AT STELLAR CIRCLE, SOUTHWEST, PROVIDING FOR THE DRIVE TO REMAIN PRIVATE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. WE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM SMITH.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

PUBLIC HEARINGS. AGENDA ITEMS NUMBERS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, STAFF WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT, THEN ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

THE APPLICANT WILL BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE COUNCIL WILL DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC. AT THE END OF DELIBERATION, A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MUST DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING A SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

ORDINANCE 2020 5-04, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO L I LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING DISTRICT, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CLAREMONT STREET AND FRANKLIN DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MR. MORGAN. YES, OUR OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, LISA FRAZIER, IS HERE TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. THIS IS THE FINAL READING OF ORDINANCE 2020 5-4, IN REFERENCE TO THE IIP HOLDING, INC.. IT'S A ZONING AMENDMENT TO CHANGE FROM A COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING DISTRICT.

IT'S THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND CONTAINS ABOUT 2.14 ACRES.

IT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CLAREMONT AVENUE NORTHEAST AND FRANKLIN DRIVE NORTHEAST.

THE CHANGE IN ZONING WOULD ALLOW THE POTENTIAL PURCHASER OF THE PROPERTY TO BUILD FLEX SPACE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT SUPPORT SURROUNDING EXISTING INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES. COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? THAT'S THE VACANT PIECE. YOU SEE THAT THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY EITHER COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USES.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THIS IS NOT UNDER REVIEW. IT'S JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THEY WANTED TO USE THIS SPACE.

I DO WANT TO BRING TO ATTENTION THE ADDITION OF CONDITION NUMBER ONE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT STATES SELF STORAGE FACILITIES SHALL BE EXCLUDED AS A PERMITTED USE ON THIS PROPERTY, SO WE ARE COMMITTING TO ALLOWING THEM, SHOULD THEY CHOOSE THE FLEX SPACE, THE WAREHOUSE FLEX SPACE, BUT NOT ALLOW SELF STORAGE.

THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SPECIFICALLY WANTS TO THANK YOU, I BELIEVE. YEAH. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

YEAH YEAH, YEAH. THE DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

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AFTER ATTENDING THE PLANNING AND ZONING ON THIS TOPIC, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE WAS A MECHANISM FOR SOME COMMERCIAL TYPE ACTIVITIES TO SUPPORT BIG COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE CITY.

THAT'S WHY I VERY SELDOM SPEAK IN FAVOR OF CHANGING OF ZONING.

BUT THIS IS ONE TIME WHERE I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PROMOTE POTENTIALLY SOME SOME KIND OF BUSINESSES TO BE INSIDE THESE FACILITIES.

THAT BEING SAID, I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOT JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER WAREHOUSE.

I MEAN, ANOTHER STORAGE UNIT. SO I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS LAND CHANGE, WHICH IS RARE FOR ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO, MAYOR.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MR. MORGAN TO PRESENT THIS CASE. YES. OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, LISA FRAZIER, WILL PRESENT AN OVERVIEW.

I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE SAID A LOT CLOSER. GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS A REQUEST BY HOLIDAY BUILDERS INCORPORATED FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN.

FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED 86 LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO BE KNOWN AS RICHMOND COVE.

WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO GAINER DRIVE IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF OCEAN SPRAY STREET, IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 29.3 ACRES.

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN MARCH OF 2022.

SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CODE, THE FINAL PLAT SHALL CONFORM SUBSTANTIALLY TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS APPROVED AND IF DESIRED BY THE SUBDIVIDER, IT MAY CONSTITUTE ONLY THAT PORTION OF THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT WHICH PROPOSES TO RECORD AND DEVELOP AT THE TIME THIS FOR RICHMOND COVE. THIS IS THE ONLY PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PLEASE. THIS IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT RIGHT HERE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MA'AM.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS FRASER? SEEING NONE SPEAKER BILL BATTEN.

YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW MY HISTORY WITH THIS. YEAH.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET. AS YOU SEE, IT HAPPENED TO APPEAR ON YOUR MAP, SO I DEFINITELY HAVE AN IMPACT ON ME.

THE FIRST THING ABOUT THIS ONE WAS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT.

I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT TO MY COUNCIL NOW BEFORE WE PROCEED.

THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DENIED IT A RECOMMENDED DENIAL ITEM.

THE NEXT ITEM WAS OVER THE TIME THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, BUILDING OR BUILDING THIS OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY CLEARED, THEY'VE GOT THE LOT LINES READY AND THEY'RE READY TO START PAVING AND BUILDING HOUSES.

THAT'S WHAT THE FINAL PLOT PLAN IS UP TO. SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED.

POT STORAGE, I MEAN, STORMWATER RUNOFF PONDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT AND ALL OF THAT.

SO THEY'RE READY TO START BUILDING HOUSES. BUT THAT LEADS US TO SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE AS THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED.

THEY WORK ON WEEKENDS. AND I DIDN'T THINK ANY WEEKEND WORK WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, RIGHT? THEY TORE UP BRAND NEW PAVED ROADS. THEY TORE UP DRIVEWAYS FOR EVERYTHING WHERE THEY HAD TO RUN WATER AND SEWER THROUGH EVERYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THEIR DRIVEWAYS ARE ARE NOW DIRT DRIVEWAYS.

IMAGINE THAT WE HAVE DIRT DRIVEWAYS INSTEAD OF PAVED CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS.

RIGHT? THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THEY PRESENTED, THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T DOCUMENT THE THE MAJOR TREES I HAD. I CALLED THE CITY AND THE CITY DID COME OUT AND WE DID A MEASUREMENT.

ONE OF THE TREES, 11 FOOT CIRCUMFERENCE. IT'S AN OAK.

WE NOW HAVE IT ON. THE PLAN IS TO BE SAVED, WHICH IS VERY GOOD.

SO THERE WAS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO DIE ANYHOW BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT DROVE AROUND IT.

RIGHT. THERE'S CONSIDERATION OF APPLYING A THREE WAY STOP SIGN ON OCEAN.

I MEAN ON FALLS CHURCH AND GAINER, A THREE WAY STOP SIGN.

WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THAT'S TO ALLOW TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC MEDIATION. WELL, WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT IT IS THE SAME BUILDER FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT ALSO BUILT THE NEXT ONE DOWN THE ROAD WHICH WAS CALLED BAY RIDGE.

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AND THEY SAID, WELL, THEY WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE BERM UP.

BUT CITY COUNCIL SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST REMOVE THE BERM AND TAKE A LOCAL ROAD AND MAKE IT A COLLECTOR ROAD? AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTACHE WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE AS THESE PUDS COME IN.

FIRST IT WAS RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL AND NOW THEY'RE.

AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWING MORE TRAFFIC. AND YOU TOOK AWAY OUR TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISM.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO BUILDERS.

AND YOU SAY WELL SORRY PEOPLE, YOU LIVED OUT THERE JUST FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE'RE SORRY.

WE TOOK AWAY ALL YOUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND AND WE PUT IN HOUSES INSTEAD.

JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT GREATLY, BUT I, I HOPE YOU CAN AT LEAST LET THEM NOT WORK ON WEEKENDS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WITHIN YOUR PRIVY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. NO OTHER CARDS.

MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCIL. MAYOR. YES? WE HAVE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT.

YES. YES, MA'AM. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT THE COMMENT? SIR? MY NAME IS BRIAN DAIGLE. I REPRESENT MV ENGINEERING AND I ALSO REPRESENT THE CLIENT, THE HOLIDAY BUILDERS. I LIVE IN PALM BAY, AND AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION GOES THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT NOT FOR THEM TO WORK ON THE WEEKEND. THE REQUIREMENT WAS THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK ON SUNDAY OR AT NIGHT.

HOWEVER, THE WORK THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAYS AND ALL THAT WERE BEING TORE UP.

THAT'S PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEY WILL BE RE CONCRETED AND REPAVED.

WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET. THEY'RE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTIONS.

CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE. YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO END IN MARCH ROUGHLY FOR THE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

SO THE REPAIRS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO THE DRIVERS WILL HAPPEN.

BUT IT'S ALL IN TIME. AS YOU AS YOU BUILD, YOU HAVE TO PUT ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER AND IT WILL GET DONE.

SO WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAD FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? NO THANK YOU. OKAY. VERY GOOD.

JUST WANTED YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT THE COMMENTS.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THIS, I WANT TO MENTION THAT I ACTUALLY MET WITH HOLIDAY BUILDERS YESTERDAY FOR THINGS NOT RELATED TO PALM BAY, BUT IN THAT MEETING, ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES MENTIONED THAT THEY WILL BE AT COUNCIL TONIGHT.

AND THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD RELATED TO THIS TOPIC.

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. I'LL SECOND.

I GOT A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE IS THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.

SO YEAH, THE DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN APPROVED, AND THAT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT'S WHY I MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAT.

AND WE MIGHT HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME UP.

BUT WE'RE NOT APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO COME IN NEW BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

WE'RE APPROVING A DOCUMENT. SO THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR.

NO OTHER COMMENTS. MAYOR. OKAY. I'M I'M I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IT ON RECORD.

THIS WAS LIKE MR. BATTEN SAID ONE OF THE LAST RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

I, I ACTUALLY PLEADED WITH COUNCIL NOT TO LOSE IT.

I BELIEVE IT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FARMS AND THE THE CULTURE OF OF WHAT PALM BAY WAS, WAS TRYING TO HOLD ON TO THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

I LOVE THESE ONE ACRE LOTS. I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED FOR THEM TO BUILD ONE ACRE ESTATE HOMES.

BUT THAT WASN'T IN SIGHT. SO I'LL BE VOTING NAY ON THIS.

I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH MY NOSE FROM LAND, FROM LAND USE TO TO UP TO NOW.

SO. ALL IN FAVOR? I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES 4 TO 1. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND MR. MORGAN. YES. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR LISA FRAZIER WILL PRESENT AN OVERVIEW.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. TONIGHT IS A REQUEST BY SANTIAGO DE JESUS CERMENO TORRES.

I PRAY THAT I GOT THAT CORRECT. THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY GOOD.

I APOLOGIZE FOR VARIANCE TO ALLOW PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO ENCROACH 14.5FT INTO THE EAST 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK ON AN APPROXIMATELY QUARTER ACRE LOT. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER ACRES IN THE

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THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE READILY AVAILABLE ACCESS TO CITY SEWER LINES, AND HAS REQUIRED IT TO OBTAIN A SEPTIC PERMIT FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

COULD YOU SHOW THE SURVEY, PLEASE? THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH APPROVED THE PROPOSED SEPTIC SYSTEM IN THE SOUTH SECTION OF THE PROPERTY, BASED ON SURROUNDING HIS EXISTING SEPTIC AND WELL SYSTEMS, YOU CANNOT BE WITHIN 75FT OF AN EXISTING WELL OR A NEW WELL.

SO CONSEQUENTLY THE SEPTIC SYSTEM DID. NEED TO LIE WITHIN THAT SOUTHERN AREA.

AND THAT EIGHT FOOT SETBACK, THE REQUIRED LOCATION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM LIMITS THE DESIGN OPTIONS FOR THE SIZE AND ORIENTATION OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

AS PROPOSED, THIS HOUSE WOULD ENCROACH 14.5FT INTO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

THE REAR PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PARCEL IS SHARED WITH THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE OF AN OWNER OCCUPIED HOME TO THE EAST.

IF THIS HOME IS CONSTRUCTED AS PROPOSED, THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE JUST OVER TEN FEET FROM THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL.

RATHER THAN REVISING THE DIMENSIONS OR THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO PURSUE A VARIANCE TO ENCROACH 14.5FT INTO THE 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK, EQUALING A 58% REDUCTION FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING CODE.

I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT A VARIANCE IT IS.

A VARIANCE IS A RELAXATION OF THE TERMS OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT IT'S ALSO DEFINED WITHIN THE STATE STATUTE.

AND SO WHERE SUCH VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND WHERE, OWING TO THE CONDITIONS PECULIAR TO THE PROPERTY AND NOT THE RESULT OF THE ACTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

A LITERAL, LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE CHAPTER WOULD RESULT IN UNDUE HARDSHIP.

SO A HARDSHIP CANNOT BE CAUSED BY THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES.

IT HAS TO BE CAUSED BY BY THINGS THAT THEY ARE THAT ARE OUT OF THEIR CONTROL, SUCH AS THE SIZE OF A PROPERTY OR OR SOME OTHER LAW OR REGULATION THAT MAKES IT HARD FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY THEY WOULD NORMALLY BE ABLE TO DO IN THAT DISTRICT.

SO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. IN REGARDS TO THAT HARDSHIP.

RIGHT. GOING DOWN THAT THAT THAT SAME VEIN HERE.

YES, SIR. YOU'VE ASKED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO REDESIGN THE SPACE.

YES, SIR. AND WHY? IF WE ASK FOR THAT, IF STAFF ASKS FOR THAT, WHAT WAS THE REASON GIVEN THAT HE HE DIDN'T HE COULDN'T REDESIGN IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY ENCROACHING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S SPACE AT THIS POINT.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY WAS THERE A REASON GIVEN I WOULD PREFER TO LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT.

BUT I KNOW THAT THEY WE DID ASK THAT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS AND TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM ON DIFFERENT SIZES, AND IT WASN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR DESIRE. OKAY.

WELL THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? GENTLEMEN? NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM, I APPRECIATE THE BRIEF OVERVIEW.

THE APPLICANT? YEAH. ARE THEY HERE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? ARE YOU THERE, SIR? ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? YES.

NO. NO. YOU'RE NEXT. YOU'RE NEXT. YEAH. OH! OH.

THEY'RE KEEPING YOU IN CHECK, SIR. THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE, I TAKE IT.

OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO. NO.

SPEAKER. OKAY. NO SPEAKER CARDS ON PUBLIC HEARING.

DID YOU. DID YOU WANT. OH, I'M SORRY, I GOT THEM RIGHT HERE. I'M SORRY. YEAH. BILL. BARTON. YEAH.

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I UNDERSTAND HE WANTS A THIRD THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE THAT HE WANTS.

HE CAN STILL MEET ALL THE OBJECTIVES. IF HE JUST MAKES IT A TWO STORY HOUSE, HE'LL MEET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR IT.

HE'LL STILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE NOW THAT DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.

AND HE SAYS, I DON'T WANT IT, BUT I WANT YOU TO BEND THE WILL OF ME AND ACCEPT IT.

THAT'S HOW I SEE THIS. SO I'M I'D RECOMMEND YOU VOTE NO ON APPROVAL OF THIS VARIANCE, JUST LIKE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID, BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL WAS JUST ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE SPECIAL TO GET.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, STEVEN WHITE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEVEN WHITE. I LIVE AT 1625 TIBBETT STREET, WHICH IS THE STREET JUST BEHIND WHERE THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE BUILT. I STRONGLY OPPOSE OF THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN OVERSIZE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO BE BUILT ON A CORNER LOT.

LOCATED AT ONE EIGHTH STREET, SOUTHEAST OF WESTLAND AVENUE SOUTHEAST AND PALM BAY.

I DO NOT OBJECT TO ANYONE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING AND BUILDING A HOUSE WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AS LONG AS LONG AS IT IS WITHIN REASON. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LOT IN QUESTION IS APPROXIMATELY 0.24 ACRES, WHICH IS A STANDARD OF PALM BAY SIZE LOT AND SPECIFIC SETBACKS ARE IMPOSED ON THIS LOT BECAUSE OF IT BEING A CORNER LOT WHICH WAS ALREADY INTRODUCED TO YOU. THESE RESTRICTIONS MAKE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO REASONABLY PLACE A SINGLE STORY, 3000 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE ON THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT DIRECTLY AFFECTING THE ADJACENT HOMES, WHICH THERE'S TWO HOMES, THERE'S ONE DIRECTLY TO THE EAST AND ONE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT CORNER LOT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF HAS NO CITY WATER OR CITY SEWER AND DEPENDS SOLELY ON FRESH WELL, WATER AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. WHEN CITY HAD RAN WATER DOWN BABCOCK STREET TO SUNRISE ELEMENTARY YEARS AGO, FOR SOME REASON THEY SKIPPED OUR FOUR STREETS.

WE NEVER RECEIVED CITY WATER. I HAVE NO CLUE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE UTILITIES. THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT A SEPTIC THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO TURN THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF THE HOUSE FACING TRADITIONALLY NORTH, WITH ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK, IT HAS TO FACE WEST. THAT PUTS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ITSELF WITHIN THE UTILITY RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH POSES A SAFETY ISSUE.

POWER TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT CAN'T GET DOWN THROUGH THERE TO WORK ON THE OVERHEAD POWER SYSTEMS. THEY'LL FALL THROUGH A SEPTIC SYSTEM. ALSO, THE HOUSE WILL BE PUSHED TOO FAR TO THE EAST WHERE THEY CAN'T GET IN BETWEEN HOUSES AS WELL.

THEY'LL HAVE TO DRIVE BEHIND MY HOUSE TO GET TO THOSE OVERHEAD UTILITIES AND DRIVE ACROSS MY PROPERTY TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.

ALSO WITH SAFETY ISSUES, IF THE HOUSE CATCHES FIRE.

BEING EIGHT FEET, IT'S NOT A ZERO LOT LINE. BEING EIGHT FEET FROM ANOTHER STRUCTURE.

I'VE LIVED THERE 30 YEARS. I BUILT 95. I'VE BEEN IN PALM BAY SINCE 86.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES BURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF A HUGE HOUSE CATCHING FIRE, CAUSING DAMAGE TO THEIR HOUSE, PLUS WATER RUNOFF.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

DAVID AND THERESA GRAY. CAN THEY BOTH SPEAK? WELL, JUST.

DAVID. OKAY. WELL THAT'S GOOD. YOU ALWAYS INCLUDE YOUR WIFE AND EVERYTHING.

SMART MAN. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. MY NAME IS DAVID GRAY.

AND I'M THE RESIDENCE AT 1610 WANETTA STREET.

I AM THE ONE THAT'S BEING AFFECTED BY THIS SETBACK.

OKAY. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 38 YEARS. PAID OUR PROPERTY TAXES FAITHFULLY.

AND IT'S LIKE STEVE, MY NEIGHBOR WAS SAYING WE HAVE A BIG TIME GRIEVANCE OBJECT TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S

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YOU KNOW, DISCOURAGE BUYERS IF WE WANT TO SELL.

AND LIKE STEVE WAS SAYING IF ONE HOUSE CATCHES FIRE, BOTH OF THEM ARE GOING TO BURN BEFORE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS THERE.

AND IT'S A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE NEXT TO OUR LITTLE 1100.

AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE IF A STORM HAPPENS BIG TIME WATER RUNOFF AND THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE WOULD JUST BE RIGHT ON TOP OF US. NO PRIVACY AT ALL, BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE, BARELY EIGHT, NINE FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE.

SO WE REJECT IT BIG TIME. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE.

WELL, THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. IS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER, SIR? YES, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF. GENTLEMEN. OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASKING FOR A MOTION. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A MOTION TO DENY THE VARIANCE.

SECOND. OH. GO AHEAD. SORRY. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

IT WAS DENIED, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER ITEM NUMBER FOUR. YES, MAYOR. LISA FRAZIER, OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, WILL PRESENT THE OVERVIEW.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING LISA FRAZIER UP SO MANY TIMES TODAY, SIR.

CARRY ON MAN. YOU ARE? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS A REQUEST BY MARK LEE AND FRANCOIS JEAN, I BELIEVE. CORRECT. WE AIM FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW PROPOSED HOME ADDITIONS TO ENCROACH 3.47FT INTO THE 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK ON A 0.23 ACRE PARCEL.

THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED IN 2003 AS A ONE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF 1700 APPROXIMATELY SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. IN JULY OF 23, A BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR 400 OR SORRY 579 SQUARE FOOT ADDITIONS TO THE SUBJECT SITE.

THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED AS AN OWNER BUILDER PERMIT, SO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PULLED THE PERMIT AND IS DOING THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH ALLOWS THE HOMEOWNER TO ASSUME ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PROJECT AND ACT AS THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR.

THE PROPERTY OWNER PASSED EACH REQUIRED INSPECTION, BUT UPON FINAL REVIEW OF THE FINAL SURVEY, ONCE IT'S BUILT, WE DO A FINAL SURVEY. IT WAS SUBMITTED AND IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT TO THE APPROVED DIMENSIONS.

THEREFORE, THE FINAL SURVEY WAS DISAPPROVED BY THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.

THE FINAL DIMENSIONS, AS BUILT, MEASURED ABOUT 100FT² MORE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

THEREFORE, IT CREATED THE CURRENT 3.47FT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REAR SETBACK.

BEHIND IT LIES A A DRAINAGE DITCH. THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ACTING AS HIS OWN CONTRACTOR, AND WAS RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THE PROJECT WAS BUILT TO PLAN, AND THE NEED FOR VARIANCE REQUEST IS THE RESULT IS A RESULT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER'S REQUEST.

TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THIS THIS VARIANCE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR? I HAVE ONE. WHAT IF IF IF THIS VARIANCE VARIANCES.

AND GRANTED, WHAT'S THE RESULT? ULTIMATELY, FOR THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CORRECT THE, THE THE BUILD THAT IS IN PLACE TODAY. AND I GUESS I'M I'M A LAYMAN.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE ADDITION THAT THEY HAVE TODAY AND BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR ORIGINAL PERMIT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M SORRY, BRIAN, WOULD YOU MIND FLIPPING TO THE NEXT ONE? I JUST WANTED TO SHOW I APOLOGIZE. THIS WAS THE PROPOSED.

AND THEN THAT'S THE FINAL. JUST FOR YOUR EDIFICATION.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN HAS SOME QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR. YES. SO WE DID A FINAL SURVEY. DID WE DID WE GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO TO GO BACK AND MAYBE GET A SECOND OPINION?

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I'M GOING TO PRESUME THAT THIS IS A LICENSED SURVEYOR WHO'S DONE IT PROPERLY, BUT ABSOLUTELY, WE COULD WE COULD ASK THEM TO DO THAT AGAIN. BUT IT IS QUITE AN EXPENSE AND.

YES. SO FOR, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A MISTAKE SUCH AS 100FT², IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS APPROVED, I'M PRETTY CERTAIN IT'S PROBABLY ON ON TARGET.

BUT THAT'S A GREAT THAT'S A GREAT, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION IF YOU WANT TO ASK THAT.

MY QUESTION IS WHEN THE PAD WAS POURED, DID THEY PASS AN INSPECTION? WHEN THE PAD WAS POURED? I WOULD I HAVE HEARD THAT THAT IS TRUE.

YES, SIR. I WE THE IT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHO DOES THE INSPECTIONS.

AND, OF COURSE, MR. PEARSON IS HERE THIS EVENING.

AND HE'S FULLY AWARE OF THIS. I IT WHEN WE GET IT.

IT IS THE FINAL SURVEY. WE GET IT, WE GET THE PRELIMINARY SURVEY AND WE SAY, YES, IT MEETS ALL OF THE SETBACKS CORRECT AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH ZONING.

AND THEN IT GOES ON TO BUILDING, AND THEN THEY TAKE IT FROM THERE, AND THEN IT ONLY COMES BACK TO US FOR THE FINAL SURVEY, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL IN COMPLIANCE. JUST LIKE MR. HAMMER SAID. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF INSPECTIONS AND IT WASN'T UNCOVERED TILL THIS FINAL ONE.

SO HE WAS DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. EVERYTHING'S RUNNING SMOOTHLY.

AND THEN THE RUG WAS PULLED RIGHT FROM UNDERNEATH HIM, SO TO SPEAK.

THAT'S HOW I'M RECEIVING WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION.

I WOULD LEAVE IT TO MR. PEARSON. I HAVE A QUESTION TO YOU FOR MR. FRAZIER BEFORE SHE WALKS AWAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST MY EXPERIENCE, BUILDING INSPECTORS DON'T MEASURE THE OVERALL WIDTH OR LENGTH OF BUILDINGS THEY MEASURE OR THEY INSPECT FOR BOARD DEPTH, REBAR, VERTICAL SPACING.

THEY'RE NOT THERE TO CHECK DIMENSIONS. TYPICALLY THE JOB OF THE CONTRACTOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT.

I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING ADUS AUXILIARY DWELLING UNITS.

YES. WHAT ARE THE RULES AS FAR AS BUILDING AN ADU ON A PROPERTY LIKE THIS? WOULD IT BE ABLE TO BE BUILT IN THE SETBACK? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING, EVEN AN ADU, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING EVEN ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE BUILT IN ANY KIND OF SETBACKS OR ANY OF OUR EASEMENTS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PRIOR APPROVALS OR VARIANCES OR VACATING OF EASEMENTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY SO MANY VACATING OF EASEMENTS COME, COME TO YOU ALL TO BUILD SWIMMING POOLS BECAUSE OUR LOTS ARE, ARE FAIRLY SMALL. SO AN ADU WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT.

OKAY. DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR QUESTION, SIR? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MISS LISA. I THINK JOHN'S GOING TO COME UP AND SHARE A FEW THOUGHTS ABOUT INSPECTIONS.

AND I THINK YOU HIGHLIGHTED THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE IN THE BUILDING INDUSTRY.

DEPUTY MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO, DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE IS CORRECT. BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE NOT TASKED WITH CHECKING THE LOCATION.

THAT IS A ZONING ORDINANCE. IT'S NOT A FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT. SO PASSING THE INSPECTIONS, WE LOOK FOR THE STRUCTURAL ITEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA.

AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE EVEN ON THE SURVEY, IT'S A PENCILED IN ADDITION.

SO THERE'S NO EXACT MEASUREMENTS ON THAT SURVEY.

ONLY AT THE FINAL SURVEY DO YOU GET THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS.

OUR INSPECTORS ARE NOT SURVEYORS SO THEY WOULD NOT CHECK FOR THAT.

AND THE BUILDING INSPECTION BEING APPROVED IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE ITEMS WERE APPROVED.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT A ZONING ITEM THAT WE CHECK FOR.

THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING SURVEY IS UPLOADED FOR AND THE ZONING DEPARTMENT RIGHTLY CAUGHT.

WELL THANK YOU, JOHN, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? WELL, THE THE APPLICANTS. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

BUT YOU HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS AS WELL. OKAY. YES, SIR.

COME ON UP. SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR. THANK YOU.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A LITTLE THING ABOUT THE ADDITION.

DEFINITELY, YES. I'M THE ONE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE I'M THE OWNER.

PERMIT. SO AT THAT TIME, WHEN THEY DO THE CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MY DAD WAS PASSED AWAY AT THAT TIME, THAT'S BACK IN FRONT FROM WILDWOOD TO PALM BAY.

YOU KNOW, THE DAY I WASN'T THERE, WHEN THEY PUT THE CONCRETE, I THINK EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

YOU KNOW, THE BRICK, EVERYTHING WASN'T ALL. THE INSPECTION IS PASSED AT THE LAST MINUTE WHEN I'M NOT RECEIVE FOR WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE APPROVAL. AND I CALL THIS CITY.

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THEY SAY NO. MAYBE SOMETHING I DID AT THE LAST MINUTE.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND WHEN I SAY, WHAT SHOULD I DO? BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW EVERYTHING. ALL INSPECTION IS PASSED.

YOU KNOW, THEY SAY ONLY ONE THING YOU CAN DO, MR. JEAN. JUST FOLLOW THE VARIANCE. WHICH IS. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT VARIANCE MEANS AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW. SO DEFINITELY I JUST COME BACK TO THE ENGINEERING READ, REVISE THE PLAN FOR ME, EVERYTHING. THEN I RESUBMIT IT AGAIN. THEN I FILE, YOU KNOW, THE VARIANCE.

SO I HOPE EVERYONE CAN MAKE A MISTAKE. YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T ME IF I WAS THERE AT THAT TIME, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. BUT IN CHRISTIAN I KNOW THAT BY THE WORD OF GOD SAYS, YOU KNOW.

SO I RESPECT THE LORD. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN PALM BAY OVER 20 AND SINCE 2003 BEEN 22 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, I GOT MY FAMILY, MY FOUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, ME AND MY WIFE.

SIX THIS IS THE REASON I TRY TO ADD THE TWO BEDROOM JUST BECAUSE THE FAMILY LAWS GO UP, YOU KNOW? AND SOMETIMES I GOT MY MOM, MY SISTER, MY MY BROTHER'S COMING DOWN HERE TO VISIT US, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE SPACE WAS TOO, TOO SMALL THAT THE REASON WE JUST ADD THE TWO BEDROOM.

SO I HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT SITUATION FOR ME, BECAUSE I LOOK AT ALL WHAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD THIS TWO BEDROOM FOR MY FAMILY. YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T MY FAULT, YOU KNOW? SO LIKE I SAY, RECONSIDER THAT FOR ME TO SEE THE SITUATION LIKE THIS.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? YES, MAYOR.

DO YOU. LANGEVIN, DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IN THE BUILDING PROCESS THE MISCOMMUNICATION HAPPENED? AND DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF EXACTLY KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT LED TO THIS? YEAH. IT LOOK LIKE THAT. THE MISCOMMUNICATION FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ON TAP THAT PROJECT FOR ME.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I GAVE HIM THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, SO PROBABLY PROBABLY.

I'M NOT SAYING HIS FAULT AT THE SAME TIME, TOO, BUT BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT HE DID THEN THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENED.

I'M NOT HIS FAULT. I'M NOT BLAME ANYBODY, ONLY MYSELF, BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE AT THAT TIME.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT SOME MISTAKE SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WHOEVER JUST DO THE CONCRETE OR WHATEVER WITH THEY MEASURE IT WHEN I WAS IN THERE. AND SO SOMEHOW THAT THAT THAT THING HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T HEAR AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN I BECAUSE THE EVERY INSPECTION PAST THAT HAS BEEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, I FIND OUT, YOU KNOW SOMETHING OF COURSE THAT THAT 2.4 TO HAPPEN.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE WE GOT A PRECEDENT OF OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE? AND BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR THINGS IN THE FUTURE.

WELL, IN THESE QUASI JUDICIAL CASES, THERE REALLY ISN'T ABOUT A PRECEDENT, BECAUSE IN EACH OF THESE CASES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN FACTS AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO APPLY WHAT THE LAW IS TO THE FACTS.

AND SO EACH OF THE CASES ARE GOING TO STAND ON THEIR OWN.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY COMMENTS? I MEAN, I GUESS JUST QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, IF I MAY, MR. MORGAN, IS IS IS THERE IS THERE ANY FINDINGS AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE? THE CITY IS TO OUR DISCRETION. IF YOU'RE SAYING ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THERE WAS A MISTAKE OF FACT THAT WE HAVE PLANS, IF THE PLANS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AS THEY WERE APPROVED, HE WOULD BE WITHIN THE ZONING CODE. HE SAYS HE WASN'T THERE. THERE WASN'T A MISTAKE.

HE WAS NOT AWARE OF FACTUALLY, THAT THIS DID NOT COME INTO THAT.

AND THAT BY HIM, NOT BY THAT MISTAKE OF FACT, CREATES A HARDSHIP IN THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY REMEDIED WITHOUT ACTUALLY TEARING DOWN A COMPLETE STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ANYONE ELSE IN THE SENSE OF WHAT'S BEHIND THE PROPERTY IS A CANAL, AS IF YOU ALL BELIEVE, BASED ON THAT MISTAKE OF FACT AND THE OTHER CRITERIA, THAT THE VARIANCE WAS APPROPRIATE.

YES, YOU COULD, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR.

SPEAKER CARDS. BILL BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586

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THE OWNER BUILDER TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT SO THEY COULDN'T HOLD SOMEBODY ELSE RESPONSIBLE.

BUT HE HIRED A BUILDER TO COME IN AND DO THE WORK.

HE WASN'T THE BUILDER HIMSELF. HE WAS THE OWNER, BUT TOOK THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IT.

THAT'S WHERE THE EMPATHETIC FEEL COMES OUT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.

RIGHT. I WISH THERE WAS SOME WAY WHERE YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIANCE, WHICH WE GRANT A THREE FOOT VARIANCE ALL THE TIME INTO ENCROACHMENT.

BUT IT'S NOT. BUT THE BIG QUESTION IS THAT WAS IT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THE INDIVIDUAL DID OR WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS OUT OF THEIR CONTROL? SO THIS IS GOING TO BE, BY MY STANDARD, A HARD DECISION FOR YOU.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE THE OWNER BUILDER, YOU SOMETIMES TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT BUILD.

I JUST WISH THERE WAS A WAY YOU COULD JUST IMPOSE A SMALL PENALTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN PROCEED ON FROM A MISTAKE MADE.

BUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. REBECCA JEAN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM REBECCA JEAN.

I AM THE DAUGHTER OF MARCIA AND FRANCOIS JEAN.

I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS ADDRESS TO 99 BOUGAINVILLEA STREET, NORTHWEST PALM BAY, FLORIDA, FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I ATTENDED HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL FOR FOUR YEARS, AND NOW I'M CURRENTLY ENROLLED AT EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE TO CONTINUE MY EDUCATION.

WE ARE A FAMILY OF SIX. MY SISTER, MY TWO BROTHERS, MY MOM AND DAD.

THE REASON MY DAD ADDED THE ADDITION TWO TO BEDROOMS BECAUSE HE WANTED US TO BE COMFORTABLE.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WHEN MY FAMILY MEMBERS COME TO VISIT THAT THEY'LL BE COMFORTABLE IN THE ROOM AS WELL.

MY DAD IS A HARD WORKING MAN AND HE WORKS DAY AND NIGHT.

HIM AND MY MOM SACRIFICES US. MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WELL.

FINALLY, MY DAD EVENTUALLY HIRED SOMEONE TO DO THE PROJECT, AND WHEN THE FINAL SURVEY CAME, MY DAD REALIZED THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR. SO HE CONTACTED THE CITY AND THEY TOLD HIM THAT HE NEEDED AN ENGINEER TO REVISE THE PLAN AGAIN.

WE ARE DEEPLY SORRY THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE APPROVAL REQUEST.

MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. I'M HADASSAH JEAN.

I STAY AT 299 BOUGAINVILLEA STREET, NORTHWEST, DAUGHTER OF MARSHALL AND FRENCH JEAN.

I'M THE SECOND DAUGHTER, THE THIRD CHILD OUT OF FOUR.

MY BROTHERS ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT. I WAS BORN AT THIS ADDRESS.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 19 YEARS. I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL IN 2024 AND NOW I ATTEND EASTERN FLORIDA.

I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF MY PARENTS. WE ARE ALL DEEPLY SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED.

MY DAD ADDED TWO BEDROOMS IN THE BACK BECAUSE HE REALIZED OUR FAMILY WAS GROWING AND NEEDED AND NEEDED MORE SPACE.

WE UNDERSTAND THE REASON THAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE OF US.

WE ARE ALL TRULY SORRY FOR THAT AND I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR ACCEPTING OUR REQUESTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PHIL WEINBERG. PHIL WEINBERG 466 SCANLON ROAD. GENTLEMEN, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN TWO MINUTES OF DISCUSSION.

THIS IS NOT LIKE THE PREVIOUS VARIANCE REQUEST, WHICH WAS EXCESSIVE AND DESERVED TO BE DENIED.

OKAY. IS IT THE APPLICANT'S FAULT? YOU BET HE WAS ACTING AS HIS OWN CONTRACTOR, BUT HE WASN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS BUILT, RIGHT? SO IT'S IT'S EXTENDING 3.47FT INTO THE REAR SETBACK.

THIS DOESN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT ANYONE OR ANYTHING.

THIS IS ROUTINE. YOU APPROVE VARIANCES ALL THE TIME.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SPENT MORE THAN TWO MINUTES ON THIS. APPROVE IT, FOR GOD'S SAKES.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. WEINBERG.

REAL QUICK. AREN'T YOU ON THE BOARD? NO, SIR.

NO. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MIKE, IS NOT ANYMORE.

OKAY? I DON'T WANT TO CALL CONSTITUENCIES BACK UP, OKAY? EVER AGAIN. ALL RIGHT, NOW, IF HE'S HERE. JUST A SECOND, SIR.

IF HE'S HERE DISCUSSING. BUT ONCE HE LEAVES THE LECTERN, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE CALLED BACK, SIR. OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER, THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKER CARDS.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

AND THIS IS FOR APPROVAL. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 550. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE THAT IS REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

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YES. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MR. MORGAN.

YES, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE LISA FRAZIER OR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR COMING TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW. IT'S THE LISA FRAZIER SHOW. WOO! ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST BY C R E K L MALABAR OWNER LLC FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT.

FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED 317 LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO BE KNOWN AS MALABAR SPRINGS PHASE ONE.

WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO MALABAR ROAD IN THE VICINITY WEST OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 295 ACRES. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN FINAL PLAT APPROVAL TO ALLOW THIS PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, AND THIS IS CONSIDERED PHASE ONE, SO THEY CAN COME IN WITH A FINAL PLAT, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, BRIAN. THIS IS THIS IS THEIR FINAL PLAT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

HOWEVER, YOU WILL SEE THAT ONLY A PORTION OF IT HAS THE LOTS LAID OUT.

THEY WILL COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME FOR PHASE TWO AND THREE.

AND DO A REPLAT TO SHOW THE OTHER AREAS THAT WILL HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON IT.

TO RECEIVE THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, THE APPROVAL MUST BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

THIS WAS APPROVED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN IN 2022.

IT CONSISTS OF FOUR PHASES OF A LARGER SUBDIVISION TO CONTAIN A TOTAL OF 653 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 232 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, AND THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WILL BE COMPRISED OF 126 TOWNHOMES AND 166 DUPLEX UNITS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO, TO COUNCIL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE TWO, IF YOU WILL EVER, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION PLANS. PAGE TWO WILL SHOW YOU THE TRACT TABLE.

SO IT'S INTERESTING AND PROBABLY I'M GIVING YOU MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU NEED.

BUT IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT FINAL PLATS OR ANY PRELIMINARY PLATS, YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THESE TRACTS AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THERE IN THE NEXT REPLAT OR IN THIS PLAT IS SHOWN IN THAT TRACT TABLE, JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. MISS FRAZIER. I'LL START AT THAT END.

NO ONE SEEING? NONE. DEPUTY MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS FRAZIER.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING, ANNA SANDERS WITH BSA CONSULTANTS.

312 SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.

32901 I'M NOT RAINING ON MISS FRAZIER'S PARADE.

THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

JUST SO YOU DO KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY PHASE IN FOR A REVIEW RIGHT NOW WITH STAFF, AND PHASES TWO AND THREE WILL BE COMING IN IN SHORT ORDER THE NEXT 4 TO 6 WEEKS.

ANY QUESTIONS? STAFF. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU.

SPEAKER CARDS. SIR. CAITLYN MENDEZ.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CAITLIN MENDEZ.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS WHY THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A DETRIMENT TO NOT ONLY MY HOUSEHOLD, BUT OUR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.

FIRSTLY, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN STARTED RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOME AND IS DISREGARDING OUR COMMUNITY OF SAINT JOHN'S PRESERVE ALTOGETHER.

THE TREES HAVE BEEN LEFT UP AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, EXCEPT WHERE OUR HOUSES ARE ON CUYLER DRIVE NORTHWEST.

THIS IS A BLATANT LACK OF CARE AND CONCERN FOR BOTH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THOSE OF US WHO HAVE MADE THIS COMMUNITY OUR HOME.

I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING MORE PEOPLE RIGHT BEHIND MY HOME WITH NO BARRIER OF TREES, A WALL, NOTHING TO GUARANTEE OUR SAFETY AND PRIVACY, AND NO, A SHORT FENCE WITH SOME RANDOM BUSHES AND PALM TREES DOES NOT CUT IT FOR ME.

THE TREE LINE WAS BEAUTIFUL AND BROUGHT A SLEW OF WILDLIFE, AND NOW WE CAN'T LEAVE THE BLINDS OPEN DUE TO SEEING NOTHING BUT A BARREN FIELD.

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NOW, EVEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO PLANT A FEW TREES, IT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT DIVIDE.

WE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE THIS AREA DUE TO THE LACK OF A DEVELOPMENT BEING BEHIND OURS, AND WERE ORIGINALLY TOLD BY BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND OUR REALTOR THAT THERE WERE NO PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT FALSE PROMISES ARE NOT AN ISSUE TO TAKE UP WITH YOU, I'M HOPING YOU TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER THIS DEVELOPMENT, OR AT LEAST TO ENSURE SOME PRIVACY AND SECURITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER COMMUNITIES GOING UP FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM, AND IN MY OPINION, WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OTHER COMMUNITIES BEING DEVELOPED ALONG SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, INCLUDING OUR OWN, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT ON MALABAR BY THE INTERSECTION OR OTHER COMMUNITIES BEYOND THE 192 INTERSECTION ON SAINT JOHNS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE LACK OF URGENCY IN WIDENING THE PARKWAY IS CAUSING A LARGE BUILD UP OF TRAFFIC, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ONLY ADD TO THE PROBLEM.

WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE MISSION TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THIS AREA, THERE ARE A CORNUCOPIA OF OTHER ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THIS LACK OF POLICE PRESENCE AND INSUFFICIENT PARKWAY SIZE, AND THE HOMELESS POPULATION, WHICH IS RAPIDLY GROWING, JUST TO NAME A FEW. LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE DECREASE IN THE VALUE OF OUR HOME.

THIS WILL INEVITABLY CAUSE, WITH THE IMMENSE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS POPPING UP IN THE AREA.

THE MARKET IS FLOODED. ADDITIONALLY, THIS TAKES AWAY FROM THE APPEAL OF OUR AREA SINCE THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE HAS BEEN DESTROYED.

UNFORTUNATELY, IF THIS PROJECT DOES IN FACT MOVE FORWARD, I WILL NEED TO RECONSIDER CALLING PALM BAY OUR HOME AS IT WILL BECOME EVIDENT THERE IS A CLEAR DISREGARD FOR THOSE WHO LIVE HERE. I AM ASKING, AS A CITIZEN AND FIRST RESPONDER OF THIS COMMUNITY, TO PLEASE RECONSIDER FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND TO ENSURE OUR FUTURES ARE SAFE AND SECURE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. COUNCIL.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

YOU SPOKE ABOUT LOOKING AT HOW TO ENHANCE THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY OF YOUR OF YOUR PROPERTY.

YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPER IN THAT REGARD? SO RIGHT NOW, BEHIND WHERE OUR HOME IS, THERE IS AN EASEMENT FOR WHAT I CAN ASSUME TO BE STORMWATER.

AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE IS NOTHING BETWEEN US AND THEM.

THERE WAS A TREE LINE THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED SUFFICIENT DIVIDE OR PRIVACY.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, ALL OF THE TREES AROUND THAT DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSE HAVE BEEN LEFT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE A WALL SITUATION OR A VERY TALL PRIVACY FENCE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

BECAUSE I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH OUR SAFETY AND PRIVACY OVER ANYTHING.

OKAY. SO YOU WOULD YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS, I GUESS ARE WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH A PRIVACY FENCE AS OPPOSED TO ESTHETICS. YES. I'M NOT AS CONCERNED WITH ESTHETICS AS I AM WITH TRESPASSING INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, ANGELICA SNEED. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANGELICA SLADE.

I LIVE AT THE SAINT JOHN PRESERVE COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT A CONCERN THAT I BELIEVE WOULD BENEFIT BOTH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT BEHIND US. TWO YEARS AGO, WE PURCHASED OUR CANAL FRONT LOT BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL BUFFER AND SENSE OF OPENNESS IT PROVIDED.

NOW THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS UNDERWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN ENHANCEMENT THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY IN ADDITION TO A NATURAL LANDSCAPE BARRIER ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.

OTHER NEARBY COMMUNITIES SUCH AS THE LENNAR EDGEWOOD, HAVE INCORPORATED A THOUGHTFUL LANDSCAPING ALONG THEIR CANAL BORDERS, CREATING A MORE VISUALLY APPEALING AND PRIVATE ENVIRONMENT.

THIS APPROACH WOULD NOT ONLY IMPROVE THE OVERALL ESTHETIC, BUT ALSO ENHANCE PROPERTY VALUES AND MAKE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO POTENTIAL BUYERS. A WELL PLANNED NATURAL BUFFER WOULD ENSURE A SEAMLESS TRANSITION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES, BENEFITING BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE HOMEOWNERS.

I HAVE PHOTOS SHOWING WHAT OUR VIEW WAS BEFORE AND HOW IT LOOKS NOW, AND AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT A NATURAL BARRIER WOULD BE A WIN WIN ENHANCING APPEAL OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHILE ALSO PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND I WOULD LIKE.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THIS IMPROVEMENT.

AND I HAVE THE PICTURES, SO I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT.

SO YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT. YEAH. OKAY. YOU GOT TO SPEAK ON THE MIC AND I'LL PASS THIS OUT.

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NOW WE DID OPT TO PUT OUR OWN LIKE LITTLE BUSHES IN THE BACK IF YOU CAN SEE.

SO YOU DID THIS YOURSELF. NO. THAT'S WHAT LEONARD LOOKS LIKE OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I SEE, YEAH, THEY DID THEIR OWN BARRIER.

YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT JUST SAID SOME KIND OF PRIVACY FENCE IS WHAT SHE WAS? YES. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD OFFER US SOME PRIVACY.

ENHANCE. I'LL PASS THIS ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS.

OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW, I GUESS I'LL ASK MISS SAUNDERS TO COME AND REBUT. THANK YOU. SO I REPRESENTED THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY LIVE IN SAINT JOHN'S PRESERVE THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING OF. SO I'M 100% POSITIVE THE DEVELOPER DID NOT REPRESENT THAT.

THERE WAS NOTHING BEING DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET.

I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A PRESERVED AREA ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT.

WHAT A PRESERVED AREA. LIKE, I THINK BY MEMORY, IT'S 50FT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN OURSELVES AND SAINT JOHN'S RESERVE IS THE HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL, THAT'S 140FT WIDE.

SO THERE IS DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE THE WESTERN SIDE OF THEIR PROJECT, WHICH IS REQUIRED FROM SAINT JOHN'S AND MELBOURNE TILLMAN.

WE HAVE SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.

THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEVERAL TREE STANDS THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED AND WAS PART OF THE NOT ONLY THE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS, BUT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A PERIMETER LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT OBVIOUSLY THE LANDSCAPING HASN'T OCCURRED YET.

WE'RE JUST IN THE CLEARING PHASE. I THINK CURB WENT DOWN EARLIER THIS WEEK.

WE'RE LOOKING TO START PAVING THE EARLIER THE THE INITIAL PHASES HERE.

I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK WE'VE GOT A PAVEMENT ASPHALT CREW GETTING READY TO COME OUT THERE.

BUT THE LANDSCAPE IS THE LAST ITEM THAT GOES IN.

THERE IS A LANDSCAPE PERIMETER BUFFER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH THIS SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED AT THE PROPER TIME.

DO YOU HAVE A VISUAL OF THAT BY CHANCE? I DON'T WITH ME TONIGHT.

I WASN'T ANTICIPATING THIS QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT IS PART OF THE APPROVED PLANS THAT ARE PART OF THE RECORD AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

SO WE DO HAVE ALL OF THAT. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR A PRIVACY TYPE OF SECURITY FENCE? PRIVACY WALL TO SEPARATE? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO I FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE.

AND WE'VE GOT MELBOURNE TILLMAN THERE THAT WANTS TO BE ABLE TO COME DOWN THEIR OWN CANAL SECTION FOR MAINTENANCE AND SO ON.

SO A WALL REALLY ISN'T, I DON'T THINK, BENEFICIAL.

IT'S A LARGE EXPENSE. AND IF IT'S NOT MAINTAINED, IT GOES INTO DISREPAIR AND DOESN'T LOOK SIGHTLY.

THERE IS FENCING PERMITTED THROUGH THE HOA DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE REGULATED THROUGH THE CBD, JUST TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE COMFORT.

THIS PROJECT IS BEING DEVELOPED AS A CD. YOU APPROVE THAT REQUEST? MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO FOR FUNDING. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MAINTAINED OR MANAGED JUST BY AN HOA.

THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL BOARD, STAFF MEMBERS.

SO A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, AN ATTORNEY, A PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS ON BOARD TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE THE PROPERTY.

SO THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE A BUDGET. THERE'S GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, MONEY LINE ITEMS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT SO THAT EVERYTHING IS MAINTAINED AND IT'S PROPER FORM AND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS PROVIDING THE YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH A VISUAL OF THAT.

SURE. I'D BE HAPPY TO BUFFER THAT. THAT MAY BUILD A BETTER RELATIONSHIP.

COULD BE NEIGHBORS. WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBOR. I'M HAPPY. I'LL GRAB THEIR INFORMATION EITHER AFTER THE MEETING OR FROM TERESE TOMORROW MORNING AND MAKE SURE THAT I GET IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND FORWARD THAT TO THEM. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. YEAH. I WAS LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION. THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ABLE TO HELP ME.

SO WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE CD WOULD BE ABLE.

THAT WOULD BE WHO THEY WOULD NEED TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF GETTING A WALL OR OPAQUE FENCE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

IF THEY IF THEY SO CHOSE. SURE. THEY COULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT AND MAKE THAT REQUEST.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR? SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

I'LL GIVE A MOTION TO PASS. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN?

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SO I'M GOING TO PASS THE FINAL PLAT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YEAH. SAME THING. YES, SIR. YEAH. WELL, AS YOU KNOW, I WAS A NO VOTE ON THIS PROJECT FROM THE INCEPTION.

AND MY AND I STAND BY THAT NAY VOTE. FROM THE BEGINNING, I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO SEE NOT JUST ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT AND COSTLY IS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

BUT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD SUGGESTED.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANDRUM AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. I VOTE NAY.

PASSES 4 TO 1 MEDINA. NAY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

YES. MAYOR. MEMBER CITY COUNCIL. FOR A CHANGE OF PACE.

LISA FRAZIER WILL NOT COME UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THIS HEARING.

WE'LL HAVE JOAN GIANCOLA BROWN GIVE A VERY BRIEF PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. I ACTUALLY WASN'T GOING TO PRESENT.

I WAS GOING TO ASK EVE'S CAMACHO TO PRESENT. SHE'S OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

SHE'S OVERSEEING THIS PROCESS, AND SHE'S VERY INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT.

AND THIS HAS GONE BEFORE THIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD, FOR WHICH SHE ALSO OVERSEES.

SO IF MR. MORGAN IS OKAY WITH THAT, I WOULD PREFER THAT EVE CAMACHO MAKES THAT PRESENTATION.

MR. CAMACHO. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS EVE CAMACHO. I'M WITH COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AT THE JANUARY 15TH, 2025 REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.

THE BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT TO PROGRAMS 22, 23, 2324 AND 2425 FOR THE CDBG, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ACTION PLANS AS OUTLINED BELOW.

I'M GOING TO SKIP A LITTLE BIT AND GO DOWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF 24 CFR PART 91 105 C, THE CITY OF PALM BAY HEREBY PROPOSES TO REALLOCATE LEFTOVER FUNDS FROM COMPLETED PROJECTS TO CANCELED PROJECTS, AND ALLOCATE FUNDS TOWARDS PROJECTS THAT CURRENTLY NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS, AND PROPOSE ALLOCATING FUNDS TO ESTABLISHING A HOUSING REHABILITATION SPECIALIST POSITION.

THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT IS HAS FURTHER DETAILS BELOW.

THE AD WAS ALREADY PLACED IN FLORIDA TODAY. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT AMENDMENT ONE IS REDUCING THE FUNDING FOR THE PALM BAY AQUATIC CENTER. WE TRIED AS BEST WE COULD TO TRY TO AGGREGATE INFORMATION FOR THE SERVICE AREA, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST COULD NOT JUSTIFY, NOR IS IT AN ELIGIBLE ACTIVITY ANYMORE TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER.

WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THOSE FUNDS AND PUT IT INTO AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS LIBERTY PARK.

THAT PARK DEFINITELY NEEDS THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A BETTER, WELL-ROUNDED PROJECT.

IT WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO.

SO THIS IS JUST MOVING IT ALONG MUCH MORE QUICKLY SINCE WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE FUNDS.

ACTIVITY NUMBER THREE, IT'S SIMPLY A NAME CHANGE.

IT'S GOING FROM RIVIERA PARK TO KEN GREEN PARK.

AND SO HUD ADVISED THAT WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND LET THE CITIZENS KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST THE NAME CHANGE.

NUMBER FOUR UNFORTUNATELY, CENSUS BLOCKS CHANGE FROM THE CENSUS THAT WAS TAKEN IN 2020. IT TAKES SOME TIME FOR HUD TO UPDATE THOSE CENSUS TRACTS FROM LOW INCOME TO A MORE HIGHER INCOME TO BE CONSIDERED A LOW INCOME CENSUS TRACT.

51% OF THE POPULATION LIVING IN THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE ABOVE THE AREA MEDIAN, OR NEEDS TO BE BELOW THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND SO THE NO LONGER MET IT. SO THAT AREA IS NOW AT THE 49%.

IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT IT'S NO LONGER CONSIDERED A LOW INCOME AREA.

AND SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THE FUNDING FROM THAT AND PUT IT INTO AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS A HOUSING REHABILITATION REHABILITATION SPECIALIST.

AND SO, JUST FOR CLARITY WE RECENTLY MODIFIED IT AGAIN, AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING COMING IN MARCH. WE WERE LOOKING TO HAVE A FULL TIME FOR THIS POSITION, BUT WHAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IS EITHER CONTRACT IT OUT OR SEE IF WE CAN HAVE BUILDING, HELP US OUT WITH ONE OF THEIR INSPECTORS SO THAT WE CAN THE PROJECTS ALONG MUCH MORE QUICKLY SINCE OUR HOUSING STAFF

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AND SO IT WOULD BE EASIER TO HAVE A REHAB SPECIALIST, WHETHER IT LOOKS LIKE A CONTRACTED PERSON OR WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE FROM BUILDING, TO GO OUT AND DO THOSE INTERNAL INSPECTIONS, IT WOULD HELP US AND THE CITY AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL. THANK YOU I DO. YEAH. SORRY.

SO CAN YOU JUST I AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE NEW ACTIVITY.

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO VOTE ON THAT ITEM TONIGHT? THE 52 000 FOR THAT POSITION. SO IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN FTE.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO TAKE THE FUNDING AND EITHER CONTRACT IT OUT FOR MORE INSPECTIONS AND OR HAVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HELP US OUT, AND I DON'T I DON'T RECALL WHAT HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE HOUSING REHABILITATION SPECIALIST? HOW MUCH IS BEING DISPERSED AS FAR AS THAT WORK LOOKS LIKE.

WELL, CURRENTLY WE HAVE THAT CONTRACTED OUT WITH AN INSPECTOR.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING LIKE THE THE REHAB WORK ITSELF.

HOW MUCH HOW MUCH IS THAT REHAB WORK ITSELF. SO WITH CDBG THERE'S A DIFFERENT RULE.

IT'S IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT RULE. IT WAS NEW TO ME AND I HAD TO GRASP THE CONCEPT.

BUT BASICALLY IF WE HAVE HOME PROJECTS, HAVING A CDBG PROJECT DELIVERY COST WILL MEET AND SUFFICE THAT MARK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN INSPECTOR GO OUT AND LOOK AT OUR HOME PROJECTS.

SO WE HAVE THE TRIPLEX FROM MACEDONIA. SO WE HAVE THOSE INSPECTIONS AS WELL AS GOING OUT TO LOOK AT NORTHVIEW.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT ONE. BUT THOSE ARE SEVEN LOTS THAT WE GAVE TO THEM.

SO THOSE INSPECTIONS WILL BE COMING AS WELL. SO WE HAVE THOSE INSPECTIONS HAPPENING NOW.

WE HAVE A SHIP DEPARTMENT BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE THING.

SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT. BUT WE DEFINITELY CAN USE THE INSPECTOR TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT OUR HOME INSPECTIONS, AND IT'S JUST TAKING SO MUCH TIME OF STAFF. AND THAT'S WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUR ACS IN THE RIGHT PLACES.

ANOTHER QUESTION, I GUESS IS COMING UP. YOU KNOW, I'M IN THIS INDUSTRY.

YOU KNOW, I'M ACCUSTOMED TO SOMEBODY IN THIS ROLE PER SE, YOU KNOW, MANAGING 30, 40 JOBS AT A TIME.

HOW MANY JOBS, HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE THEY GOING TO BE MANAGING THIS THIS PARTICULAR PERSON? WE HAVE ABOUT 60 PROJECTS, SIR 60 WE HAVE ABOUT 60.

BUT WE NEED THE INSPECTOR TO DO IT'S NOT JUST ONE INSPECTION PER PROJECT.

IT'S MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS AS THE PROJECT IS GOING.

SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE INSPECTIONS HAPPENING AND YOU HAVE TO PULL STAFF, INTERNAL STAFF TO GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE INSPECTOR OUT IN THE FIELD.

IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE IF WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO INCREASE THOSE INSPECTIONS, THAT WOULD HELP.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? MR. CHIEF? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. WHILE GOING THROUGH THE PACKET, I AGREED WITH ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

I DISAGREE WITH THE CITY ACCEPTING AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THIS IS A NEW EMPLOYEE HIRE, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE WE NEED A FACILITIES THE OVERHEAD FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL TO BE HIRED WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH IS ANOTHER EMPLOYEE FOR SOME, FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S ABLE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT OUR INSPECTORS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

AND I HATE TO BE THE MEAN GUY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE FOR US TO HAVE TO CONTACT THE CITY TO HAVE THEIR INSPECTOR COME OUT AND INSPECT.

WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT EVERY RESIDENT AND EVERY BUILDER HAS TO DO ALSO.

SO YOU'RE ASKING, WELL, WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR US IN HOUSE THAN IT IS FOR THAT WHICH YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE RESIDENTS.

SO THIS WAS FOR A $52,000 ASSET THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT.

AND I COULD SEE THAT $52,000 ASSET, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE CAPABILITIES WITHIN THE CITY TO DO IT, USE THAT $52,000 TO ASSIST IN SOME OTHER MECHANISM, PREFERABLY SOMETHING MORE PERTINENT FOR A HUD OR A HUD RECIPIENT.

THAT'S HOW I SEE IT, YOU KNOW. BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE AGAIN.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE SKILLS, SO WHY HIRE ONE OTHER PERSON TO DO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE SKILLS TO DO? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? MR. MORGAN, MISS MASTER CHIEF BENTON'S GOT A GOOD SUGGESTION.

MAYBE WE COULD USE THAT MONEY TO TO HELP SOME OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

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AND I AND I THINK STAFF MENTIONED THIS, THAT WE ARE COMING AND IT WAS ADVERTISED IN FLORIDA TODAY THIS WEEK. ANOTHER HEARING ONE MONTH FROM TONIGHT.

FOUR WEEKS FROM TONIGHT ON MARCH 20TH. THAT WOULD AMEND BOTH ACTIVITY FOUR AND FIVE IN MORE IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR WAS ASKING AND WITH MR. BATTEN WAS SUGGESTING. SO IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

YOU PASS THIS AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER CRACK AT IT, MORE IN LINE WITH THE QUESTIONS.

COME MARCH 20TH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION, GENTLEMAN. MOTION TO APPROVE NEW BUSINESS NUMBER SIX WITH THE EXCLUSION OF. I MEAN, YEAH. THANK YOU.

PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER SIX, WITH EXCLUSION OF AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMER.

STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT MOTION. YES. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WE'RE TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

SO, MR. DICKS, PLEASE ENTERTAIN ME. SO. GOOD EVENING.

I'M GOING TO CALL THIS. GOOD NIGHT. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK MISS SMITH TO READ THE CAPTION.

ORDINANCE 2020 5-08, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BREVARD COUNTY AND RS1 RESIDENTIAL ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

BREVARD COUNTY TO UMU URBAN MIXED USE. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MR. MORGAN? YES, BECAUSE YOU MISSED HER. WE'RE BRINGING BACK LISA FRAZIER BACK UP TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. LISA. I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF YOU ARE GETTING A LITTLE FLAVOR ON HOW MUCH IS GOING THROUGH OUR CITY THESE DAYS, ANYHOW. ORDINANCE 2020 508 AMENDING THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED USE OF PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO MICCO ROAD IN THE VICINITY, EAST OF INTERSTATE 95 FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A BREVARD COUNTY LAND USE AND REZONE, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

BREVARD COUNTY LAND USE TO UMU URBAN MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE CITY DESIGNATION.

SO IT'S THAT'S TELLING YOU IS THAT WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN, WE DID NOT REQUIRE THEM TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO A CITY LAND USE.

HENCE, SHOULD THEY LIKE TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, THEY DO HAVE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE AND CONSEQUENTLY THE ZONING LATER ON.

THIS IS 133 ACRES. SO IT IS A LARGE SCALE AMENDMENT.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS REALLY IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING.

SHOULD THIS COUNCIL CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, THEY WILL IT WILL MOVE UP TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT.

DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE NOW USED TO BE DOE AND ALL OF THE RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS FOR THEIR COMMENTS ON THIS CHANGE. IT WILL IT'S REQUIRED TO COME BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS.

AT THAT TIME WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING, ALL THE I'S ARE DOTTED AND THE T'S ARE CROSSED.

AND THEN YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN FOR THE SECOND ADOPTION HEARING.

THIS PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH ASHTON PARK, WHICH IS A PROPOSED MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.

AND THIS SECTION THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A DOWNTOWN.

IF YOU WOULD PLEASE BRIAN, GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

I SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT THIS SLIDE FOR YOUR AGAIN KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION.

THIS IS FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT WE HAVE LIKE 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT SPECIAL PLANNING AREAS. AND THESE AREAS WERE ACTUALLY DESIGNATED FOR IN LIKE 2010.

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AND YOU'LL SEE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE RED SQUARE THERE FOR THEM TO BE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THAT.

SO THEN IN 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ASHTON PARK'S FUTURE LAND USE TO CHANGE FROM THE.

IT WAS MICCO VILLAGE MIXED USE TO AN URBAN MIXED USE FOR THAT EASTERN 1400 PLUS ACRES.

CORRECT. SO THIS WESTERN 133 ACRE PROPOSED REQUEST IS TO ALIGN WITH THAT SAME UMU DESIGNATION AS THE EASTERN PORTION THAT 103 33 ACRES IS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO BE IN THE 1400 ACRES TO THE TO THE EAST. THE. THIS UPDATED DESIGN WILL FEATURE SUPPOSEDLY 645 MULTIPLE UNITS AND 222 TOWNHOME TOWNHOMES SITUATED NEXT TO THE TOWN CENTER, WHICH WILL OFFER 300,000FT² OF LEASABLE COMMERCIAL SPACE. I DO WANT TO IMPRESS UPON YOU THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU HIS IDEAS FOR THE ASHTON PARK, BUT THAT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

SO THOSE PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED. THEY ARE STILL BEING VETTED THROUGH OUR CODES AND OUR REGULATIONS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS COUNSELOR? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

THANK YOU. JAKE WEISS, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.

AND I'LL BE BRIEF. WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT IS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR 133 ACRES OF AN ALMOST 1800 ACRE PROJECT.

SO SINCE WE HAVE THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST EXCITING PROJECT, I THINK, COMING TO PALM BAY, AND I THINK IT'S A REAL GAME CHANGER, AS MISS FRAZIER IDENTIFIED EARLIER. WE ADDED THIS 133 ACRES TO WHAT WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

FOR THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE. IF YOU REMEMBER, I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO FOR THE LOTUS PROJECT.

THAT WAS 353 ACRES DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH. AND THEN NORTH OF THAT IS EMERALD LAKES EAST.

SO THIS IS THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE ASHLAND PARK PROJECT.

I'M GOING TO SKIP AHEAD. ONE SLIDE HERE REAL QUICK.

SO AT THE TOP CENTER YOU SEE THE I-95 INTERCHANGE.

AND THEN AS YOU GO TO THE RIGHT WHICH IS EAST THAT IS EMERALD LAKES EAST.

THAT'S ABOUT HALF OF EMERALD LAKES. THE YELLOW WOULD BE THE EXTENSION OF THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED ALREADY.

AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. AND THAT'S ASHLAND PARK WORKING DIRECTLY WITH LOTUS AND EMERALD LAKES ALL TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I KNOW STAFF COUNCIL HAD LAST TIME ABOUT IT WAS, IS THIS BEING DONE BY A DEVELOPER? YES, IT IS BEING DONE BY THE DEVELOPERS. THEY'RE BUILDING THE PARKWAY.

ALL THREE PROJECTS NEED THIS PARKWAY. THIS PROJECT NEEDS THAT PARKWAY AND IT INCLUDES THE EXTENSION OF THE UTILITIES.

SO IT'S EXCITING TO SEE ALL OF THAT HAPPENING IN THIS AREA AS I GO BACK.

THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS THAT OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

SO OVER HERE YOU SEE THE BLUE AT THE FAR WEST END.

THAT'S THE 133 ACRES. AND THAT'S WHERE THE PARKWAY COMES IN FOR THIS TO OUR SITE.

THAT'S OUR ENTRY GATE. THAT'S THIS SITE. AS MISS FRAZIER IDENTIFIED THE ORIGINAL PLAN BEFORE WE ADDED, THE 133 ACRES HAD A SMALL TOWN CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, LIKE A LITTLE DOWNTOWN AREA.

BUT BECAUSE WE COULD ADD THIS 133 ACRES, WE NOW HAVE VISIBILITY FROM I-95 AND THE DIRECT ACCESS FROM THAT PARKWAY.

SO THAT MAKES US BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER, MUCH BETTER, CREATE THAT TOWN CENTER, THAT DOWNTOWN THAT PALM BAY DOES NOT HAVE NOW.

AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS IN A MINUTE, BUT JUST REAL QUICKLY.

THE OVERALL PROJECT IS ABOUT 1800 ACRES. IT'S GOT ALL HOUSING TYPES, TOWNHOMES, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, YOUR LARGE ESTATE LOTS, ONE ACRE OR LARGER. IT'S GOT HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF PARKS AND TRAILHEADS AND HORSEBACK RIDING.

TRAILHEAD PARK. IT'S GOT A 30 ACRE SCHOOL SITE.

IT'S GOT ABOUT 150 ACRES OF THE TOWN CENTER AND OTHER COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES RELATED TO IT.

IT'S GOT 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE BRINGING IN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DOING THAT AS PART OF OUR PROJECT.

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SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO BRING UP JAMES DICKS.

HE'S THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PROJECT, AND HE IS EXPERIENCED STATEWIDE DEVELOPER.

AND I JUST WANTED TO LET HIM GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

OKAY, I GOT YOU. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MAYOR.

STAFF. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AGAIN. HAPPY TO BE BACK HERE AT WHAT IS IT? THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD. ON THE FACE OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

YES, SIR. GOT IT? YES, SIR. I'LL LET YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.

WE ACTUALLY DO THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS FROM FLORIDA ECONOMIC COUNCIL, AND IT KIND OF GIVES US AN IDEA WHEN WE'RE UP IN TALLAHASSEE TALKING TO THE STATE AS TO WHAT OUR PROJECTS DO. THIS IS A BIG PROJECT, AS JAKE HAD BROUGHT UP TO YOU.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS JAMES DIX.

I LIVE IN LAKE MARY, FLORIDA, AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF DIX DEVELOPMENTS, AND I'M SIXTH GENERATION FLORIDIAN, SO I KIND OF TAKE WHAT I DO, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL I LOVE FLORIDA.

I'VE BEEN MANY OTHER PLACES, BUT I ALWAYS COME BACK TO FLORIDA.

AND SO WE HAVE OUR NICHE IS LARGE MIXED USE PROJECTS.

AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT ONE FOR RISK AVERSION AND TWO, TO WORK WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE BUILDING HOMES REALLY DOESN'T QUITE HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SERVICES AND SO FORTH.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT MIXED USE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND RIDING BONDS, DOING YOUR PROJECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE.

SO YOU GOT TO HAVE WHATEVER YOU HAVE SOME COMPONENT FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND SO FORTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO HAVE. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT, BUT IT HELPS TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 133 ACRES, BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO PICK THAT UP FURTHER DOWN THE THE ROAD, SO TO SPEAK, ONCE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT. AND SO WE DID HAVE A TOWN CENTER KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THIS WAS MUCH MORE PREVALENT, 133 ACRES. AND AS YOU SAW THE FIRST SLIDE UP HERE THAT STAFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT TIES IN THAT WHOLE PARKWAY AND SO FORTH.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS I LIKE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT OPTION.

IF YOU NOTICE, IN THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN, THERE'S 35, 30 ACRES THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE.

AND THE COUNTY WOULD REALLY AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN PUTTING THEIR FIRST K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL HERE.

WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOLS THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU CAN GET THAT BUY IN RIGHT FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO DO THAT AND YOU HAVE A MIXED USE PLAN, YOU HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY, YOU HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED.

YOU GIVE A FAMILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO A COMMUNITY THAT MAY JUST BE STARTING OUT WITH THEIR FAMILY, AND THEY CAN LIVE THERE FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS AND NEVER HAVE TO MOVE.

THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO THE SAME SCHOOL. THEY MAY MOVE FROM APARTMENTS TO A TOWNHOME TO A HOUSE, BUT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY THERE. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF BRING UP.

AND I JUST I BRING THIS UP YOU KNOW, THE STORY BEHIND ASHTON PARK.

SO ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WORKS FOR US, BRIAN, HE'S OUR LAND GUY, UNFORTUNATELY, ACTUALLY, HE'S IN THE HOSPITAL TONIGHT.

FELL REAL SICK LAST NIGHT, AND HE'S IN ICU. BUT HIS 12 YEAR OLD NEPHEW ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WAS KILLED ON HIS BICYCLE, RIDING DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND CROSSING THE STREET IN WINTER PARK.

AND SO HIS NAME WAS ASHTON. AND THAT'S WHERE THIS CAME FROM.

AND WE LITERALLY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING, AND WE MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER HOW MUCH WE SPENT, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROJECTS WERE WALKABLE, SAFE, TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.

THAT'S WHY YOU EVEN SEE SOME OF THESE RENDERS.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK MY ARCHITECT, CHRISTIAN, TO COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.

AND THE GOAL FOR DOING THE NICE RENDERS THAT HE DOES, AND THEY'RE NOT CHEAP, BY THE WAY, BUT IS WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT RENDER CAPTURES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE'RE DONE. SO WE LITERALLY LIKE TO TAKE BEFORE AND AFTERS TO SEE HOW CLOSE WE COME.

SOMETIMES NOT AS CLOSE AS WE'D LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE REALLY MAKE THAT EFFORT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE ASHTON PARK CONCEPT CAME FROM, AS FAR AS NAMING IT.

AND THEN ALSO WHEN YOU COME TO THAT WAS THE TOWN CENTER.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS HERE IS GETTING ON THE ROADS AND DRIVING TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, GETTING WORSE, IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER.

SO WE WANTED THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ASHTON PARK, WHICH IS A BIG COMMUNITY, IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE NECESSARILY.

THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING THEY WANT IN THERE. THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE GOLF CART FRIENDLY. THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO TO WALK OR JOG.

I NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THE TRAIL SYSTEMS AROUND THERE.

WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO RIDE HORSEBACK IN THERE.

WE ACTUALLY CREATED A TRAILHEAD FOR MR. BARTON SPECIFICALLY THAT WILL HOLD A 40 FOOT TRAILER.

ARE YOU NAMING IT AFTER MASTER CHIEF? WE'RE GOING TO NAME IT AFTER HIM.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE NAMING IT AFTER HIS DAUGHTER. SO IT'S IT'S.

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AND I EXPECT HIM TO USE EVERY BIT OF HIS THREE MINUTES WHEN WE'RE DONE, WHEN I'M DONE SPEAKING.

BUT THAT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND HE'S GOING TO GET TO SEE THE RENDERS AT THE NEXT TIME WE'RE HERE.

IF YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SEE FIT TO PASS THIS. BUT HE'S GOING TO LIKE THE RENDERS OF THE TRAILHEAD.

AND WE HAVE SOME 40 FOOT TRAILERS IN THERE FOR THE EQUESTRIAN.

BUT IT REALLY CAME OUT NICE. THE EQUESTRIAN SIDE IS IT'S ACTUALLY EXCITING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MR. ROAD. THERE'S 101 ESTATE LOTS, ONE ACRE TO THREE ACRES, WITH A COMMUNITY BARN THERE WITH ABOUT THREE ACRES FOR HORSES, AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND SO FORTH.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE, BUT REALLY TONIGHT WE'RE HERE FOR THAT 133 ACRES.

AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S MIMICKED AFTER SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH OR WORKED ON.

IT'S GOT THE BANDSHELL. IT'S GOT A PLACE FOR PEOPLE NOT JUST IN ASHTON PARK, BUT OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY IN PALM BAY THAT WANT TO COME OUT AND SEE CONCERTS OR, YOU KNOW, WALK AROUND AND AND THAT WON'T BE THE FIRST THING BUILT, USUALLY THAT WAITS FOR SOME ROOFTOPS.

SO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE SET ASIDE 30 ACRES FOR A K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL.

AND OF COURSE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE WOULD END UP DOING A CHARTER SCHOOL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I LIKE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS WHENEVER I CAN.

I DO A LOT OF WORK WITH DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEMS. THEY DON'T NEED 30 ACRES.

I'M DOING A K THROUGH EIGHT RIGHT NOW IN OSCEOLA COUNTY ON 25 ACRES.

AND WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THERE. AND WE AND SOME OF OUR INITIAL RENDERS THAT WE DID IS WOULD TAKE THAT FIVE ACRES AND CREATE SOME YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SPORTS PROGRAMS YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S MULTI-PURPOSE SPORTS FIELDS OR BASEBALL FIELDS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF ATHLETICS. I ALWAYS TOLD MY SON, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLAY ANY SPORT YOU WANT, BUT YOU WILL PLAY A SPORT UNTIL YOU GET TO TO OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

THEN YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. AND HE CAME TO ME ONE TIME AND SAID, YEAH, I THINK I'M TIRED OF BASEBALL. I'M LIKE, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. GET GET A BATHING SUIT OR SOME TRACK SHOES, OR TOOK HIM ABOUT TWO DAYS TO SAY, I THINK I'M GOING TO STICK TO WHERE I'M AT, BUT I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF THAT. SO EVERY EVERY PROJECT WE DO, I TRY TO PUT MULTI SPORTS FIELDS IN THERE AND WORK WITH THE THE COUNTY OR THE CITY.

ONE YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE YOUNGER KIDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S EXTREMELY HARD TO FIND A PLACE TO PRACTICE FOR LACROSSE OR FOOTBALL OR SOCCER OR ANYTHING. SO WE TRY TO KIND OF LEAVE, LEAVE THE COMMUNITY BETTER THAN WE FOUND IT.

SO WITH THAT, I'D JUST LIKE TO INVITE UP CHRISTIAN WHO CAME UP WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE TOWN CENTER, DID SOME OF THOSE RENDERS AND KIND OF CAN TALK INTO HOW THAT FLOW IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

WELL, MR. DICKS BEFORE. YES, SIR. PASS THE MIC ON.

I WANTED TO SHARE A FEW OF MY THOUGHTS. YES, SIR.

RIGHT. THE VERY FIRST THING IS HOW CONSIDERATE YOU ARE WHEN PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS DAIS, YOU LISTEN TO THEM.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY IN YOUR PROJECT.

AND YOU'VE LISTENED. I'VE ALSO SPOKEN ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER, AND YOU'VE LISTENED TO IT BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.

I'M ALSO GOING TO THROW SOMETHING ELSE. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS PERFECT.

GIVING THEM FIVE ACRES FOR THEIR FIELD. THAT'S IDEAL.

BUT WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS WE HAVE SUCH A HUGE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL AND A MULTIPLEX FIELD. AND I CAN TELL YOU, WE'RE COACHES UP HERE OR MOST OF US COACHED.

AND THERE'S A HUGE NEED. AND AS THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY GROWS, THERE'S A HUGE NEED OUT THERE.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS NOT A SHARED FIELD OPPORTUNITY WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT THAT EXISTS.

AND THAT COMES WITH CERTAIN CHALLENGES ON ITS OWN.

RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCORPORATED IN THIS VISION.

LIKE, I, LIKE YOU INCLUDED THE TRAIL. AND HOW THOUGHTFUL ARE YOU TO TO ACTUALLY HAD MENTIONED BILL BATTEN'S DAUGHTER.

THAT THAT IS HUGE. YOU KNOW I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU ON THE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU DO LISTEN AND YOU DO BASE YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR IDEAS IN DEVELOPMENT WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE.

SO I'M GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. I THINK WE NEED BASEBALL FIELDS.

I THINK WE NEED FOOTBALL FIELDS. AND I KNOW I'M A COACH AND I KNOW THAT TODAY, EVEN RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH FIELDS AND SHARING FIELDS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND SO I WANTED FOR YOU TO START CONSIDERING THAT.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING 133, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1800 OTHER ACRES.

YES, SIR. RIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE JUST SO THAT WE.

YOU CAN NOW TEE IT OFF. YES, SIR. SO KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.

THE THE THE 30 ACRES THAT WE SET ASIDE, THE SCHOOL COULD DO IT ON 25 OR LESS.

AND THAT INCLUDES THEIR HAVING THEIR OWN TRACK AND THEIR OWN FOOTBALL FIELD. SO THE FIVE ACRES I WAS TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FOR JUST THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE SPORTS FIELDS. AND I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF, YOU KNOW, I SPENT BASEBALL TEN YEARS IN TRAVEL BALL AS A COACH.

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SO I GOT I GOT THREE KIDS RIGHT NOW ON THE BIG FIELD.

I'VE GOT ABOUT TEN IN THE MINORS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT ALL COMES FROM THOSE LIFE LESSONS.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, RUNNING AROUND SCREAMING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TEN FEET TALL AND BULLETPROOF, YOU KNOW? ON THE FIELD, SOME OF THE PARENTS DIDN'T LIKE THAT, BUT ALL THEIR KIDS GREW UP TO BE AMAZING. AND YOUNG ADULTS AND LIFE LESSONS ON THE FIELD, NO MATTER WHAT SPORT IT IS. I'M A HUGE PROPONENT.

SO IF WE CAN WORK THAT OUT, WE WILL DEFINITELY TRY TO DO EVEN MORE.

IT'S PART OF THAT OPEN FIELD CREDIT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

SO THAT GREEN SPACE. SO THAT THAT'S WHY WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND AND BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

YES, SIR. WE'LL LOOK AT NOT JUST THE FIELD, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIELD COMES THE CONCESSION AND THE STANDS AND ALL THAT.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL GO A LONG WAYS TO HELP YOU CARRY ON.

THANK YOU SIR. YOU LIKE BASEBALL, DON'T YOU? CAN YOU PLEASE.

YOU ZOOM OUT TO THE HOME. HI, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN OQUENDO.

I'M FROM CBA ARCHITECTS OUT OF MAINLAND FLORIDA.

AS JAMES SAID, HE KIND OF BROUGHT US IN TO KIND OF ENVISION WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THIS COULD FEEL.

ALTHOUGH WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE 133 ACRES WE WERE ABLE TO JUST TAKE A SHOT AT? YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO BE COHESIVE, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO BRING IN HERE.

AND TODAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND LOWER DENSITY THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE PRESENTATION ON THE, ON THE TOWN CENTER, PER SE. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES THAT THAT WE CREATED.

AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO REALLY DO IS, IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO ACTUALLY BRING A PLACE WHERE IT COULD BE MULTIGENERATIONAL, NOT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO FOR ENTERTAINMENT.

RIGHT. LIKE YOU, YOU WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER HOMES ALL THE WAY TO ESTATES, TO APARTMENTS, TO TOWNHOUSES AND ALL THAT STUFF, RIGHT? THAT COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, VIABILITY OF THAT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY RESPOND TO WHAT JAMES AND TEAM WAS TRYING TO BRING INTO HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH ALL THROUGHOUT YOU WILL SEE IN THE TOWN CENTER HOW WE REALLY FOCUS ON CREATING AN EXPERIENCE THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, FOR MULTIPLE AGES AND MULTIPLE TIMES.

SO MULTIPLE DEMOGRAPHICS. WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT DISTRICTS ARE IN HERE, BUT BASICALLY IN, IN THIS AREA FROM THE NEW PARKWAY GOING WEST, WE CREATED A BAND TO CREATE KIND OF LIKE A DISCOVERY AREA.

AND WE'LL SEE SOME IMAGES HERE IN A SECOND TO KIND OF CULMINATE IN, IN IN THE GATHERING SPACE.

ONE THING WORTH MENTIONING HERE IS THAT THAT LAKE THAT IS IN THAT POND THAT IS IN THERE IS ACTUALLY EXISTING.

WE ARE EXPANDING IT IN ORDER TO CREATE IT ONE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISUAL IMPACT, BUT ALSO MEET THE THE RETENTION REQUIREMENT.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING HOUSE OF THE FARM THAT IT'S IN THERE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO REUSE IT FOR SOME PURPOSE.

I TOLD MR. DICKS THAT WE WANTED TO DO A WEDDING VENUE OUT OF THAT ONE OPENING ONTO THE WATER, BUT HE HASN'T COMMITTED TO THAT. SO DON'T HOLD HIM TO TO THAT, TO THAT PORTION.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE REALLY COMMITTING AND REALLY TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT IT IS TO WHAT IT WAS, RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO CREATING A NEW, YOU KNOW, AREA HERE.

REAL QUICK KIND OF LIKE IN THE GENERAL VISION OF THIS, WE DO HAVE THE I'VE PORTION OF THE PARKWAY, AND REALLY MOVING THE TOWN CENTER ALMOST OUTSIDE OF THE REST OF THE RESIDENCE WAS A MOVE SUGGESTED TO REALLY WANT REDUCE CONGESTION AND ALSO CREATE KIND OF LIKE A SEPARATE DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE THIS WILL HAVE A LOT OF DEPENDENCY ON I-95 AND VIEWS AND ALSO CONNECTION.

IT WILL ALSO BE A LOT MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE NORTH WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL, INSTEAD OF BEING SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE, THIS WILL BE KIND OF LIKE THE GATEWAY TO THE ASHTON PARK COMMUNITY.

IN THERE. YOU GO FROM A DRIVE TO ENTERTAINMENT TO CONNECT, WHICH WILL BE THE PARK AREA BY THE WATER.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SEE IT ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT SECTION, BUT AS HE SAID, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WAS REALLY A BIG DRIVER ON THIS.

SO WE HAVE DEDICATED I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.

BUT WE HAVE DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN TRAILS THROUGHOUT, ESSENTIALLY THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND THE AND THE PARKWAY THAT ACTUALLY HAS, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY AND BICYCLE AS WELL, SEPARATED FROM THE ROADS THAT THAT WILL BE NEEDED IN THERE.

AND THAT'S REALLY ALL DRIVEN BY BY THE ORIGINAL PLAN, REALLY TRYING TO GIVE MORE TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, ASHTON, WHO SADLY IS NOT HERE ANYMORE.

IF YOU CAN ZOOM BACK AGAIN. WELL, ON THIS ARRIVE EXPERIENCE LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

ON THE ARRIVAL EXPERIENCE, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE, LIKE, THIS REAL VISUAL IMPACT, RIGHT? LIKE, WE WE NEED TO HAVE THE PARKWAY, AND WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN PEOPLE NOT ONLY FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, BUT ALSO WE WANT TO CAPTURE THE VISION. PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE IN HERE WAS THIS USED TO BE A FARM,

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SO WE WANTED TO HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT WILL BE A LOT MORE NATURAL LOOKING.

RIGHT. SO, SO A LOT OF USE OF NATURAL MATERIALS AND WARM TONES AND, AND EXPOSED MATERIALS IS REALLY THE, THE IDEA THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE TOWN CENTER. AND, AND ALL OF THAT IS TO REALLY TRY TO CREATE LIKE A COHESIVE AREA WHERE YOU'RE HERE TO EXPLORE NATURE, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE WALKING AND YOU HAVE SHOPS AND ALL THESE THINGS, IT IS PART OF, OF THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY. SO THIS IS THE ARRIVAL EXPERIENCE, THE ENTERTAINMENT EXPERIENCE.

AGAIN, THE BIKE TRAIL JUST GOES THROUGH THE WHOLE TOWN CENTER, AND THIS ONE WILL BE A LOT, A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE IN TERMS OF, OF YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS KIND OF LIKE ON THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CREATE THAT WALKABILITY THAT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PARKING, MOST OF THE PARKING IS BEHIND.

SO PEOPLE WILL BE DINING OUTSIDE AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT KIND OF LIKE ENTERTAINMENT HAPPENING ON THE STREET.

YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF INTENSITY IN ORDER TO MAKE ALL THESE COMMERCIAL USE IS REALLY WORK, RIGHT? LIKE ALL DOES FEED FROM EACH OTHER. AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A THE VISUAL OF THAT CENTER PLACE.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PAVERS ON THE ROAD, SLOWING DOWN THE TRAFFIC AND REALLY PUTTING THE VEHICULAR ACCESS KIND OF LIKE AT THE BACK ON THE BACK BURNER AND REALLY BRINGING THAT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY HAPPENING THROUGHOUT. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE CONNECT PART.

THIS ONE IS WHERE THE PART WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO GET AS MUCH INTENSITY AS POSSIBLE HERE AND ALSO HAVE A SECOND LEVEL POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, USE IN HERE AS WELL, JUST TO GET AS MANY EYES AS MANY PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THE CENTRAL PARK IS.

WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE THIS AREA AGAIN, THIS IS NOT 100% DEFINED OR DESIGNED, BUT I THINK THAT WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT HAVING THE PARK, HAVING THE AMPHITHEATER AND HAVING ALL THESE USES WITH WITH A BIG OPENNESS BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE, THE, THE AMPHITHEATER WHERE ALL THESE THINGS REALLY COME TOGETHER.

AND IF YOU IF YOU REALLY KIND OF DON'T LOOK AT WHAT THE PARKING IS HAPPENING BEHIND ALL THESE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YOU'RE REALLY HERE TO EXPERIENCE NATURE. AND YOU SEE THE WATER AND YOU SEE THE PARKING AND THE GREENNESS, AND YOU SEE THE OUTDOOR AREA FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL RESTAURANTS THAT WERE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE IN HERE.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MONETIZE THE WATER AND THE GREEN SPACE, ALL OF IT TOGETHER AND CONNECT THE TRAILS AND ALL THE PEDESTRIAN FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO QUICKLY ACCESS THIS PLACE.

IT WILL BE YOU KNOW, JUST NOT WALKABLE, BUT ALSO BICYCLE AND I THINK PROBABLY GOLF CARTS AS WELL AS GOLF CARTS AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS AND WIDER AREAS TO FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, TO REALLY BECOME KIND OF LIKE THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT REALLY CONCLUDES KIND OF THE ARCHITECTURAL VISION FOR THIS.

PASS IT BACK TO JAKE. THANK YOU. SO SO JUST TO WRAP UP VERY QUICKLY, WE'RE ONLY COURSE TALKING TONIGHT. ABOUT WHAT? CAN YOU ZOOM BACK OUT? THAT RED BOX YOU SEE AT THE FAR WEST END? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON, IS 133 ACRES.

BUT WE THOUGHT WITH THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEE THE ENTIRE VISION.

WHAT WE WANT TO BRING TO PALM BAY AND DIX DEVELOPMENTS HAS DONE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ALREADY.

THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL. THEY DO THESE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES.

OUR OVERALL DENSITY IS 3.7 UNITS PER ACRE. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF LARGE LOTS AROUND THE TOWN CENTER.

WE'RE DOING APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES FOR THAT WALKABLE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT OUR OVERALL DENSITY IS NOT SOME MASSIVE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT ALL.

IT'S A REALLY THOUGHT OUT PLAN THAT HAS ALL TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL.

IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU SEE, THEY SUPPORTED US FOR THIS, FOR THIS THE APPLICATION TONIGHT.

THERE'S TEN CRITERIA. WE MEET ALL THE TEN CRITERIA THAT ARE APPLICABLE.

AND YOU WILL SEE US AGAIN. WE'LL BE BACK FOR PDP, FDP, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL, ZONING AND WE'LL BE VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH YOUR VOTE TONIGHT.

WE'VE HAD NO OPPOSITION. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO IT ARE PEOPLE IN SUPPORT OR NEARBY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ASKING TO BECOME PART OF THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S BEEN PRETTY EXCITING. WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH EELS, WHO HAS AS A PRESERVATION LANDS TO THE NORTH, SAINT SEBASTIAN PRESERVE TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE BENEFIT OF THIS COMMUNITY IS TO HAVE ALL THAT PRESERVATION, ALL THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY, THE HORSE TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

WE HAVE LISTENED AS MAYOR MEDINA SAID EARLIER, WE'VE LISTENED TO WHAT THE STAFF HAS SAID,

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WE'VE SET ASIDE LAND FOR A FIRE STATION. THE PLAY FIELDS, AS WE'VE MENTIONED, ALL THIS INTERCONNECTED, INTERCONNECTED, LINEAR PUBLIC PARKS AS WELL, MILES OF TRAILS AND ALL OF IT BEING FOCUSED ON THAT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

THE NAMESAKE FOR THE PROJECT. SO THAT BEING SAID WE APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND OF COURSE, ANY ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL HAS. SO WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THIS IN RELATION TO BECAUSE YOU'RE OVERSEEING ALL THREE PROJECTS, RIGHT. WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON ON THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH THE OTHER ONE WITH THE PROJECTS OF THE NORTH.

NORTH? YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW EMERALD LAKES HAS GOT A SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND WE'RE JUST FINALIZING HOPEFULLY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.

THAT'S OUR GOAL. AND BY THE WAY, YOUR UTILITY AND PUBLIC WORKS STAFF HAVE BEEN AMAZING WORKING WITH US ON VERY FAST TIME FRAMES.

IT'S ABOUT A $20 MILLION INVESTMENT TO EXTEND UTILITIES TO EMERALD LAKES.

THAT GETS IT TO I 95. WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED THE PARKWAY AND THE UTILITY EXTENSIONS THROUGH EAST EMERALD LAKES AND THROUGH LOTUS.

LOTUS IS JUST A FEW MAYBE MONTHS, A MONTH OR A FEW MONTHS AHEAD OF US.

SO WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND THEM. AND SO WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THE EMERALD LAKES WAS THE KEY. AND WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD, NOW, EVERYTHING ELSE KIND OF FALLS IN PLACE.

BUT THIS PROJECT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON OTHER DEVELOPERS.

THIS PROJECT IS INDEPENDENT. EMERALD LAKES HAS ALREADY PROVIDED THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

LOTUS IS ON THEIR WAY TO PROVIDING IT, BUT FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T.

THEY CAN EITHER PROVIDE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

OR WORST CASE, WE COULD. EMINENT DOMAIN IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY A BENEFIT FOR THESE PROJECTS, IT'S A HUGE, HUGE BENEFIT. AND THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE I-95 INTERCHANGE WAS BUILT WAS TO BENEFIT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

THERE IS A HURRICANE EVACUATION ROUTE, IT'S ACCESS TO JOBS AND AND ALL OF THAT.

SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT. SO WE'RE MOVING AS FAST AS WE CAN WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO HELP STAFF MOVE IT ALONG.

AND WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO BE BACK HERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THE REST OF IT.

AS SOON AS WE CAN. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, I HAVE ONE.

YOU SAID YOU'VE MADE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN OTHER PLACES.

DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF INTEREST FROM THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SIDE, FROM THE COMMERCIAL COMPANIES THAT ARE SHOWING INTEREST IN COMING HERE ONCE, IF THIS IS APPROVED? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE THE IDEA.

YOU SAID THE DOWNTOWN WORD AND MY EARS PERKED UP.

SO IT'S THE KEY ON. DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU WORK WITH THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING HERE TO BE PART OF THIS, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, OPEN ONCE IT OPENS? YES, SIR.

GREAT QUESTION. SO YOU TYPICALLY ON COMMERCIAL, RIGHT.

IT'S DRIVEN BY HOUSES, ROOFTOPS. RIGHT. A TOWN CENTER EVEN MORE SO.

SO THE TOWN CENTER THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN KIND OF DESIGNED AFTER LIKE WINTER GARDEN OR NOT REALLY WINTER PARK, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER ONES AROUND IN THAT AREA THAT DRIVE PEOPLE IN.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL IN THERE SO THAT THERE'S PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WORK, BALDWIN PARK, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, BUT THE TOWN CENTER WILL BE THE LAST THING THAT PEOPLE COME INTO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE ROOFTOPS. NOW, I'VE GOT SOME PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING MASSIVE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING WE'RE DOING MORE COMMERCIAL BEFORE THE ROOFTOPS, WHICH IS INTERESTING. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN. BUT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT MORE.

AND I'M TALKING BIG STUFF WITH WALMART AND TARGET AND HOME DEPOT AND, YOU KNOW, ULTA AND FIVE BELOW AND ALL OF THOSE COMING IN BEFORE THE ROOFTOPS ARE EVEN STARTED. SO I'M THINKING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING.

I'M THINKING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE CORNERS IMMEDIATELY AND NOT WAIT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE ROOFTOPS COME BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MISS THEIR OPPORTUNITY. AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE BEST LOCATIONS THERE IS. IT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE CITY. IT OPENS IT ALL UP. THE PARKWAY IS GOING TO END RIGHT IN IT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME HERE. THERE'S ALREADY LOTS OF JOBS COMING.

SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE COMMERCIAL REALLY STARTING TO COME IN PRIOR TO OR AT THE SAME TIME THE TOWN CENTER WILL BE LAGGING BEHIND THAT.

AND IF I HAD TO GUESS, YOU'RE TALKING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS PROCESS IS PROBABLY ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF JUST JUST GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS ONCE THAT HAPPENS AND YOU START MOVING DIRT, THAT'S PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEAR PROCESS. AND THEN YOU GOT HOUSES THAT ARE STARTING TO COME UP.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL STARTING TO COME UP. SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WONDER AND THEY SAY, WELL, HOW COME IT'S TAKING SO LONG?

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I MEAN, ABSORPTION RATES IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR NEW HOUSES, ANY, ANY NATIONAL BUILDER IS GOING TO TYPICALLY PERFORM 4 TO 6 HOUSES A MONTH.

SO IN A PROJECT THIS SIZE YOU COULD HAVE 5 OR 6 BUILDERS.

BUT YOU KNOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN EACH ONE'S GOING TO DO 4 TO 6.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ARBITRATION THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO ABSORB, YOU KNOW, 5000 HOMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NOT READY.

WE'RE NOT PREPARED. WELL, I MEAN, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PREPARED. IT'S GOING TO TAKE 15 TO 20 YEARS BEFORE YOU'RE 75% BUILT OUT.

SO YOU'VE GOT TIME TO GET PREPARED. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO DO ALL THIS STUFF AHEAD OF TIME.

AND I'M SORRY, THAT'S A LONG ANSWER, BUT I HOPE, I, I HOPE I ANSWERED THAT FOR YOU.

SOUNDS GOOD. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE SITE, MASTER CHIEF? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I UNDERSTAND THE IDEOLOGY, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS FANTASTIC, RIGHT? THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THIS IS LIKE A COMPARISON OF FROM VIERA INTO PALM BAY.

THEY PLANNED OUT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT AND ACCOMPLISH THAT OBJECTIVE.

WHICH WHICH ALL MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? THE ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THEIR OWN OWN UTILITIES, THEY'RE ALSO PAYING FOR THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY ON THIS SIDE OF IT, WHERE WE AS THE RESIDENTS, HAD TO PAY FOR $9 MILLION FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.

SO IT'S SO YOU CAN SEE WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.

THEY'RE INVESTING THEIR OWN TIME, ENERGY, AND MONEY IN TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING.

RIGHT. BUT THEN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF BILL BARTON, AND THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. I'M GOING TO SAY A NAME.

AND THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE KNOWN ME FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I HAVE A NEW COUNCIL UP THERE. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THIS NAME AGAIN, AND THAT'S BEN JEFFRIES. WE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF IDEAS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US ON A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WAS PRESENTED. WE NEVER GOT ANYTHING FOR OUR FOR OUR INVESTMENT, FOR THE RETURN.

AND I HATE SAYING THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR LEGAL BECAUSE I CAN'T ASK YOU, MAYOR, IF YOU COULD ASK LEGAL TO, TO BRING UP SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FACING UNDER OUR HISTORY OF HOW WE HAVE TO PAY FOR FOR A COUNTY DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO THESE DEVELOPERS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, AND I'M TALKING THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, AND I WANT MY COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THERE IS STILL HISTORY FOR THERE FOR BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS 100% AT THIS POINT IS STILL ALL PROPOSAL.

THAT'S ALL IT IS. I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE THEM AWAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO THE COUNCIL TO REMEMBER THAT THAT WE'VE LIVED THROUGH IT AND WE'RE STILL PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT. WHEN I HAVE A COUNTY NOW COMING IN AND SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD OUR DOWN HERE NEXT TO YOU, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE US LEGALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD PLANS LIKE THIS AND BACKED OUT, AND WE GOT STUCK WITH THE WITH THE HARDSHIP THAT'S GOING TO FALL ONTO THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BUILT HERE BY A DEVELOPER NEVER HAPPENED.

WE'RE EXPANDING OUR WATER AND WATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND OUR WATER SUPPLY LINES.

WE'RE PROVIDING IT TO THEM. BUT THEN THERE. ANDERSON PARK IS GOING TO TAKE IT ON THEIR OWN, BUT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE COUNTY.

SO I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT OVERALL, IF THIS SUCCEEDS, BEAUTIFUL.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT WE DO HAVE A HISTORY.

THANK YOU. MADAM ATTORNEY, HE'S REFERRING TO THE COUNTY APPROVAL OF SENTARA, I BELIEVE.

ANY COMMENTS REGARDING WHAT? I MEAN, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH WATER WITH SENTARA WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO ASK THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR OR. I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S TALKING ABOUT ROLLING MEADOW, THAT DNA, BUT I WOULD LEAVE UTILITIES TO OUR CAPABLE UTILITIES DIRECTOR. OKAY. HE MENTIONED SOME LEGAL ASPECTS TO THAT.

THAT'S WHY I COULD ONLY THINK OF ROLLING METAL. BECAUSE ROLLING METAL DE-ANNEXED FROM US, AND IS PART OF THE BILL THAT ALLOWED THEM TO ANNEX IT SAID THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM UTILITIES SO THAT THE METAL I KNOW, BUT I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT.

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SENTARA. WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE QUESTION ABOUT SENTARA? ARE WE IN TALKS WITH THEM? SO I BELIEVE MR. BATTEN WAS SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

OKAY. IF SENTARA GETS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO THEM, THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

CONNECT TO THE THE WHEREVER THE MAIN IS AND NORTH OF THEM, WHICH RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY AND BABCOCK.

AND BRING THAT DOWN BABCOCK TO THEM. THEY'LL BE PAYING FOR THAT.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. STEP RIGHT UP. MR. WEINBERG AND WHO ELSE? OKAY. YOU'RE NEXT. SIR. YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE? YEAH. PHIL WEINBERG, FOUR, SIX, SIX SCANLON ROAD.

JUST TWO BRIEF COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, IF THIS IS BUILT ANYWHERE NEAR THE WAY IT'S BEING PROPOSED, THIS CAN BE AN ENORMOUS ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SECOND BRIEF COMMENT IS I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU, MAYOR MEDINA.

IN YOUR COMMENTS TO MR. DICKS, YOU NEVER MENTIONED THE DESIRE FOR CONFERENCE CENTER.

OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I GOT TO CHOOSE MY. I GOT TO CHOOSE MY BATTLES VERY CAREFULLY.

HE GAVE ME THE TOWN CENTER, AND I'M BUILDING ON THAT.

WE HAD THAT BRIEF. MR. WEINBERG, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME BETTER THAN THAN MOST.

JOHNNY, GIANCARLO BROWN AND I WERE TALKING JUST THOSE SAME WORDS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TOWN CENTER, I SAID, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE TOWN CENTER.

WE'LL BUILD ON THE CONVENTION CENTER. TONGUE IN CHEEK.

THANK YOU BROTHER. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR? COME ON UP, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. HI THERE.

MY NAME IS MATT GIBSON, 894 BIANCA DRIVE NORTHEAST.

PALM BAY. I RISE TODAY TO SPEAK AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT OF ASHTON PARK.

MAINLY ITS TOWN CENTER SEEMS TO BE, WHILE WELL CONCEIVED AND SEEMS TO SERVE A PURPOSE HERE IN PALM BAY.

IT FOLLOWS THE PATH OF SO MANY OTHER TOWN CENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, AND I WOULD JUST KIND OF ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO TAKE A LONGER TIME FRAME VIEW ABOUT THESE TOWN CENTERS. SEARS TOWN MALL WAS ONCE THE DOWNTOWN OF TITUSVILLE.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS DEVELOP A DOWNTOWN IN PALM BAY, WHICH IS ACCESSIBLE TO PALM BAY, NOT ON THE OUTSKIRTS, WHICH IS A PET PROJECT OF A MAYOR, A COUNCIL OR A DEVELOPER.

I KNOW THAT JAKE, CHRISTIAN AND MR. DICKS HAVE EXPENDED RESOURCES INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ASHTON PARK. AND I KNOW THAT IT IT BEARS A, YOU KNOW, A LEGACY FOR THE YOUNG BOY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE YOUNG PEDESTRIAN THAT WAS STRUCK AND KILLED.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A RATHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT WHICH FEATURES GOLF CARTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED, BUT GOLF CARTS HAVE BEEN KIND OF A BLIGHT TO SOME OF THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES, BOTH HERE IN BREVARD AND IN OTHER PLACES. THEY ENCOURAGE UNSUPERVISED BEHAVIOR OF UNDERAGE AND UNLICENSED DRIVERS, AND, I WOULD ARGUE, PUT LIVES AT RISK. I DON'T SPEAK FROM A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

I DON'T HAVE A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS LOST TO A GOLF CART ACCIDENT, BUT THERE THERE ARE STATISTICS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, MAYBE WEIGHED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY AND BUILDING A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.

THE TERM WALKABLE GETS THROWN AROUND A LOT, AND I THINK THESE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES, ON A LONG ENOUGH TIME FRAME, YOU'LL SEE THERE ISN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND ON THEM.

I KNOW ABOUT SOME WALKABLE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED CLOSE TO THE AVENUE VIERA, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S VERY SELDOM, IF EVER, THAT I SEE SOMEBODY WALKING IN THESE COMMUNITIES, I DO SEE SOME BIKE ACTIVITY AND, YOU KNOW, BIKE LANES ARE, YOU KNOW, A FEATURE FOR A WELL DEVELOPED COMMUNITY.

BUT I THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE OVERRUN WITH GOLF CARTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE WAY THAT THE POPULATION IS GROWING AND AGING IN PLACE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME THINKING THAT THEY'RE ARRIVING AT THE VILLAGE'S PART THREE, AND I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE VILLAGE'S PART THREE.

I THINK IT WILL BE A BOON TEMPORARILY, BUT ULTIMATELY A BURDEN THAT PALM BAY WILL HAVE TO CARRY FOR THE NEXT 2030 YEARS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO ALLOW THE THE APPLICANT TO REBUT ANY COMMENTS.

YEAH, JUST TAKING SOME QUICK NOTES. PLAYFIELDS.

YES, WE DO A LOT OF CHARTER SCHOOL PROJECTS, SO THE K THROUGH EIGHT IS GOING TO BE A NEW CONCEPT FOR THE BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

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IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY OUR PROJECT, WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS.

I'VE COACHED SPORTS MY ENTIRE LIFE. I'VE PLAYED RUN BASKETBALL LEAGUES.

WE HAD TO PAY $86 AN HOUR TO USE A GYM, THAT TAXPAYER'S MONEY IS PAID FOR.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN COMPLETELY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ALL OF PALM BAY, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AS FAR AS SUNTORY GOES IT WAS NOT ELIGIBLE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

BUT WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH GABE'S GROUP.

FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE UTILITIES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY, JUST LIKE OUR PROJECTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO EXTEND THE UTILITIES TOWARD THEIR PROJECT. AND THE SAME WITH ROLLING MEADOWS. BUT ROLLING MEADOWS IS MISS SMITH IDENTIFIED? DID DE-ANNEX. BUT WE'RE STILL MASTER PLANNING THIS WHOLE SOUTHEASTERN PALM BAY FOR THOSE UTILITIES, FOR ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED. AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING SO.

THERE ARE NO OTHER DOWNTOWNS BEING PROPOSED IN PALM BAY.

I WORK ON A LOT OF PROJECTS. YOU GUYS SEE US OFTEN? THEY'RE NOT. AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE SINGLE BIGGEST I WON'T SAY COMPLAINT, BUT REQUEST THAT WE GET AT OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE DO SO MANY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH OUR PROJECTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GET.

WE WANT MEDICAL OFFICES. WE WANT RESTAURANTS.

WE WANT OUR DRY CLEANING OUR NAILS. WE WANT THAT IN A COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN WALK TO VIERA.

I REMEMBER DRIVING DOWN 95 AND SEEING ALL THESE COWS AND THIS GOVERNMENT BUILDING GO RIGHT UP IN THE MIDDLE, LOOK AT IT NOW AND LOOK AT IT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE VISION THAT THEY HAD.

THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THIS VISION. IF THERE'S AN EXPRESS ELEVATOR THAT WE CAN FAST FORWARD AND START BREAKING GROUND ON THIS NEXT WEEK, LET US KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THIS IS A LONG STEP BY STEP PROCESS TO GET HERE.

AND WE'VE TAKEN IT. AND WE ACTUALLY DELAYED OURSELVES FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THIS NEW VISION INSTEAD OF A SMALL DOWNTOWN IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE TIME.

CITY OF PALM BAY HAS A GOLF CART COMMUNITY ORDINANCE.

WE CREATED IT AS PART OF EMERALD LAKES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A GOLF CART COMMUNITY, THAT IS GOING TO BE GO BEFORE YOU.

SO YOU WILL SEE THAT IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMUNITIES. THE SPEAKER BEFORE WAS TALKING ABOUT, EVER SINCE COVID, I SEE MORE DOG WALKERS. I SEE MORE BICYCLISTS.

I SEE MORE PEOPLE OUT ON GETTING OUTSIDE. WE SEE MORE AND MORE OF A JOGGERS EVERYWHERE.

IF YOU GO TO SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES, YOU SEE THEM EVERYWHERE.

I HAPPEN TO LIVE BEACHSIDE. THERE'S THERE'S PEOPLE WALKING EVERYWHERE.

THEY'RE DOING MORE AND MORE SIDEWALK PROJECTS.

DOT IS SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON IMPROVEMENTS UP AND DOWN A-1-A AND SOME OF THE OTHER ROADS FOR THAT, BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A PENT UP INCREASED DEMAND.

AND AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS NAMED AFTER A YOUNG MAN THAT WE LOST TOO SOON FOR.

SO THAT IS THE PRECIPICE OF THIS PROJECT, IS TO CREATE THAT WALKABILITY IN THAT AREA CONFERENCE CENTER.

WE DO HEAR THAT A LOT. I'LL JUST THROW OUT EMERALD LAKES MAY BE A PERFECT FACE FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER RIGHT OFF I-95.

GREAT VISIBILITY YOU GOT YOU GOT PULLED THIS THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT IS WIDE OPEN.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS PALM BAY DOES HAVE A HISTORY.

SO DOES EVERY OTHER CITY. SOME FAILED DEVELOPMENTS, SOME AMAZING DEVELOPMENTS.

THEY ALL HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK. THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT HISTORY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

WE LEARNED SOME MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE AND WE'RE NOT REPEATING THEM.

SO ABSOLUTELY, THERE HAVE BEEN MISSTEPS, BUT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LEARN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN COMING BEFORE YOU FOR 25 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN PARTS OF SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, AND I TAKE EVERYTHING THAT I'VE LEARNED FROM THOSE AND BRING THEM HERE.

MR. DICKS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST RECEPTIVE DEVELOPER CLIENTS I'VE EVER SEEN, EVER HAD.

AND AS YOU'VE SEEN, HE HAS LISTENED TO WHAT YOU HAVE ASKED FOR, WHAT THE STAFF HAS SAID AND US WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE HISTORIES.

SO PLEASE HELP US WITH THAT EXPRESS ELEVATOR TO GET THIS THING MOVING FAST.

AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. SO WITH THAT, I HOPE I RESPONDED TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL SEEING NONE.

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I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SECOND LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

CORRECT. ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT TO DO A BUILDING, YOU'VE GOT TO DO A DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS EXACTLY THE WAY TO DO IT.

AND OBVIOUSLY, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HURT THAT THE DEVELOPERS OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE, BUT BUT BUT IT'S A PHENOMENAL PLAN.

IT'S INCREDIBLY WELL THOUGHT OUT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, THIS IS HOW TO DO IT.

SO I WANT TO SUPPORT IT. WHO BY THE WAY, HE DIDN'T MENTION BUT HE'S DEVELOPED DOD PROJECTS.

YEAH. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANDRIEU AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, FIVE ZERO.

NOW WE'RE ON CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER THREE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YES, MAYOR. I WAS PULLING THAT FOR A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE, MR.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

SO AWESOME. OKAY, SO SO IF YOU WANT TO. THAT'S.

WHAT? WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU PULLED IT. LET'S DISCUSS IT.

HE MADE A REQUEST FOR THE ITEM TO BE PULLED SO HE CAN ASK QUESTIONS SO WE CAN DISCUSS.

YES. WHAT? WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. NO, I WAS FINE WITH THE ITEM, BUT I WAS JUST DOING ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENT.

ALL RIGHT MASTER CHIEF. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I CAN ADDRESS MY COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE THE EXTRA EFFORT THAT IT TAKES ON YOUR PART TO DO THIS RIGHT.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY DURING THIS LAST HURRICANE WAS UTILIZING ITS OWN CLAW TRUCKS ALONG WITH THE COMPANY.

BECAUSE I HAD THE CITY OF PALM BAY WORKING ON WEEKENDS DOING PICKUPS.

RIGHT. AND I PROMISE YOU, THEY DID A BETTER JOB.

IN MY OPINION, THEY DID A BETTER JOB BECAUSE BY THEY HAD A PERSONAL INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY.

THEY ACTUALLY RAKED AS THEY WENT, PICKED UP AS THEY WENT.

SO IT WAS A NICE CLEAN PILE WHEN IT WAS DONE.

SO I WANT TO COMMEND THEM ON THAT. BUT THAT WAS THE CITY'S EMPLOYEES USING THEIR OWN CLAW TRUCK TO DO THAT.

RIGHT NOW THEN I'M LOOKING BACK THAT THIS WAS FOR THE MONITORING SERVICE.

AND THAT'S SO IT WASN'T THE ACTUAL PICKUP. I UNDERSTAND IN THAT HURRICANE THING WAS SPREAD EVERYWHERE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM, BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT IT COSTS THEM FOR THE INITIAL COST, WHICH WAS 130 $138,000. NOW THEY NEED AN ADDITIONAL $80,000 JUST BECAUSE IT TOOK LONGER THAN THEY ANTICIPATED.

I HAVE YET TO SEE A HURRICANE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND I'VE GONE THROUGH MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY OF THEM WHERE WE CAN GET THE PICKUP DONE IN 30 DAYS.

SO THE INITIAL CONTRACT WAS FOR AN ESTIMATE OF 30 DAYS FOR A CONTRACT.

WE WE MADE A CONTRACT THAT WAS IRRATIONAL TO BEGIN WITH.

SO I'M TRYING TO SAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

I UNDERSTAND THEY PROVIDED US WITH A SERVICE THAT NOW WE HAVE SERVICES RENDERED ME SHOULD BE PAID.

NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS ONE. I'M JUST SAYING LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE'RE WRITING THE CONTRACTS.

LIKE OUR ORIGINAL CONTRACT FOR THE PICKUP. THEY WEREN'T EVEN IN STATE ANYMORE.

SO IT'S LET'S SEE IF WE CAN TAKE A, I DON'T KNOW, A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE CONTRACTS FOR WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THE HURRICANE RECOVERY PROCESS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? NO. HE'S RIGHT. WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST SOMETHING IN HOUSE OR MAKING SURE THIS DOESN'T OCCUR AGAIN.

SO. WELL, JUST JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY SINCE YOU'RE BRINGING THIS UP, SIR.

RIGHT. WE WE DIDN'T EVEN ANTICIPATE WE HAD THAT MUCH.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WE HAD THAT TURN PIVOT ON A DIME.

WE ASKED TO TO TRY AND GET THIS CONTRACT REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THE INITIAL INSPECTION DID NOT SHOW A LOT OF DEBRIS.

SO THIS WAS ON A PIVOT. AND SO IF AM I, I'D LIKE TO ASK MISS JULIET BECAUSE MISTER MORGAN, I KNOW SHE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN, IN PIVOTING AND TRYING TO GET A NEW CONTRACT.

CARRY ON MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. YES, WE WE MADE A LOT OF PIVOTS.

THAT'S A GOOD WORD. AS WE WERE WORKING FOR OUR DEBRIS COLLECTION, INCLUDING PIVOTING TOWARDS HAVING IN-HOUSE STAFF SPLIT UP THE THE QUADRANTS WITH

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SO YOU WILL SEE AN AWARD FOR A NEW DEBRIS REMOVAL CONTRACT.

I BELIEVE THIS SUMMER BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMER.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON PROCUREMENTS NUMBER ONE.

RIGHT ON CUE. MR. MORGAN. YES. THIS IS A PROCUREMENT FOR AWARD OF

[PROCUREMENTS:]

THE LOW BIDDER IS TIMOTHY ROSE CONTRACTING. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE AFTER WE DO THESE VARIOUS SIZED CULVERT PIPE REPLACEMENTS. WE WILL DO THE GEO. ROAD PAVING WORK.

AND SO IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU AWARD THE CONTRACT TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR. SPEAKER CARDS. BILL BATTEN, I THINK THERE'S TWO AWARDS.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PACKET, I NOTICED ON UNIT NUMBER 16.

RIGHT. IT'S ONE COMPANY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS TIMOTHY ROSE FOR 16.

I THINK IT IS. BUT WHEN I'M GOING AT THE CONTRACT, THEY HAD THE 10% OVERRUN COST, WHICH I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN ALWAYS EXPECT SOME KIND OF OVERRUN. BUT WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THE PACKET, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL $50,000 DEDICATED FOR UNIT 16 THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE BID AND OVERRUN. AND I'M JUST QUESTIONING IF YOU'RE ANTICIPATING AN OVERRUN OF $50,000.

WHY PUT IT IN THERE? OTHERWISE, BID IT FOR WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE IT TO BE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE 10% OF THE WHAT WAS IT, 1.8 MILLION PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 50,000. IT'S IN THE PACKET THAT WAY.

I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHAT I READ. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MORGAN. I BELIEVE THAT'S A BUDGET REQUEST FOR THAT.

BUT THE CHANGE ORDER IS THE SAME. AND THERE ARE TWO CONTRACTORS FOR THE DIFFERENT AREAS.

BASED ON THE LOW BID FOR THOSE AREAS. THANK YOU.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, DEPUTY MAYOR. APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REPRESENTS AT LARGE

[UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS:]

OKAY. YOU MAKE AN A MOTION ON THOSE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION.

WELL, I MEAN, I'M ONLY WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION ON ONE OF THEM.

OKAY, WELL, THEN LET'S DO IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PATRICK MCNALLY TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

I SECOND. OKAY. GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR PATRICK MCNALLY.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES.

ANY NAYS? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. CARRY ON.

NUMBER TWO. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO? WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR JEFFREY MACLEOD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

OKAY. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON FOR JEFFREY MACLEOD.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT APPLY.

THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT APPLIED. GENTLEMEN. I'LL SECOND.

IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED IT, I GOT. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY DISCUSSION. OH, SURE. I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON WHY I DIDN'T.

I SERVED ON ON THE BOARD WITH MR. MCCLOY. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE'S MORE THAN CAPABLE.

AND I JUST HAD ONE ISSUE. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE HAD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, AND HE DOES NOT PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART AND RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY I CHOSE NOT TO BE IN FAVOR OF MAKING THE MOTION, OR IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, OR APPROVING THEM FOR REPRESENTING THE PALM BAY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

SO YOU YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I STILL GOT A MOTION. MOTION TO APPOINT JEFFREY MCLEOD.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY. WAIT WAIT WAIT. MAYOR, IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN WAIT IN TABLE?

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THESE ARE THE TWO THAT RIGHT NOW. I GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

YEAH. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS NOW THAT SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING.

YEAH, IT'S IT'S SELF CONCERN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO EVERY DAY.

HE'S AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. SO BY THAT FACT HE IS AN AMERICAN.

BUT THAT IS A THAT'S CONCERNING. SO I'M I'M TORN ON THAT MAYOR, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S WARRANTED TO DENY HIS APPLICATION BASED ON THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE A DISCUSSION WITH HIM.

LIKE, I'LL CALL HIM MYSELF TOMORROW. SO YOU WANT TO TABLE THIS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER. OKAY I COULD TABLE IT.

IF YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND, I WITHDRAW MY SECOND, I WITHDRAW MY FIRST.

OKAY. SO. NO, NO. YEAH. SO THEN RIGHT NOW, MADAM TERESE, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE FOR NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO GO MOVE TO NUMBER TWO. IS THAT ALRIGHT? WELL YOU CAN YOU MAKE. YOU'VE MADE THE APPOINTMENT OF PATRICK MCNALLY.

YES, BUT FOR JEFFREY MCLEOD YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? YES. I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IS GOING TO SPEAK WITH HIM.

OR IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? OH, YEAH. I'M CALLING HIM IN THE MORNING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO. YES, MA'AM. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT? YES. I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS FOR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING MARCH 6TH.

WELL, JUST ONE, BECAUSE WE ALREADY APPOINTED PATRICK.

WAIT. ALL I SAID WAS WE APPOINTED PATRICK MCNALLY.

YEAH. SO? SO YOU CAN'T SAY NUMBER SIX. JUST. NO, I SAID MARCH 6TH.

MARCH 6TH. NO, I'M SAYING YOU CAN'T SAY NUMBER ONE OR WHATEVER.

DID YOU SAY MARCH 6TH OR SO? WE ALREADY APPOINTED ONE OF THE TWO.

ALRIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPOINTMENT OF JEFFREY MCLEOD UNTIL THE MARCH 6TH MEETING.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

SECOND. SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE ON NUMBER TWO. DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ME TO READ OR MAKE A MOTION.

MAKE THE MOTION. SOMEONE ELSE CAN MAKE THE MOTION.

OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS GUY.

APPOINT JOSHUA FRISBY TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

JOSHUA FRISBY. SECOND. I GOT A SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JAFFE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. WHERE'S THE SECOND? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. THE APPOINTING OF JEFFREY.

OKAY. JEFFREY MCLEOD FOR THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD TO THE MARCH 6TH MEETING.

OKAY, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. OKAY, WE'RE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 2025, DASH ZERO NINE,

[NEW BUSINESS:]

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER, PRESENT THIS CASE. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE INPUT FROM OUR COUNSEL ON THIS.

WHEN I WENT TO GAINESVILLE FOR OUR ELECTED OFFICIAL MEETING OR TRAINING, I GOT THE I GOT THE ABILITY TO TALK TO A LOT OF OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS AROUND THE CITIES AROUND FLORIDA AND WHAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT, AND THEY SAID IT WAS A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE, WAS TO COME UP WITH TWO MORE WORKSHOP MEETINGS THAT INVOLVE THE PUBLIC FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND BRING THESE TO US.

WITH HAVING JUST FIVE PEOPLE UP THERE, WE KIND OF LIMIT THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE THEIR IMPACT, THEIR FEEDBACK AND WHATNOT THROUGH THAT. AND THEY SEEM TO GET A LOT MORE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC WHEN YOU DO THE TWO MORE WORKSHOPS. I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

AND YES, SO I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LANDSMAN.

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OKAY. YEAH, I'M VOTING FOR ONE WORKSHOP. YOU WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M JUST SAYING I'M GOOD WITH ONE WORKSHOP. OKAY.

COPY THAT. SO, JUST SO THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILMAN HAMMER, IS YOU WANT TO CREATE MORE WORKSHOPS INSTEAD OF CREATING A CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR. ONCE. WELL. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT YOU SPOKE TO, THEIR CITIES. DO THEY HAVE A POPULATION OF 140,000? THEY WERE OVER 100,000 PLUS. YES, SIR. AND ONE WAS.

AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE TO WAS OUR FORMER CITY MANAGER.

SO YOU PREFER NOT TO HAVE A CITIZEN AND BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD? NOW, AT THIS POINT, IF WE CAN MOVE IT TO TWO MORE WORKSHOP MEETINGS JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF INPUT WE CAN GET FROM THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF EVERYBODY THAT HAS SAID ANYTHING, WE HAVE 3 TO 4 PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH THE TWO WORKSHOP MEETINGS AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES FROM THERE.

OKAY, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP REGARDING WHO TO APPOINT ON THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY.

SO MAYOR, SO WE ALREADY HAVE OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION AND MISS COLLINS WILL COME UP AND SAY IF COUNCIL WANTS AN ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP, WE CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP. THERE'S BEEN YEARS THAT WE HAVE. THERE'S BEEN MOSTLY YEARS THAT WE HAVE NOT.

BECAUSE IN THAT FIRST WORKSHOP WE HAVE BILL BATT AND PHIL WEINBERG, PAT DALPRA AND DON POTTER IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING. BUT I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION EITHER WAY.

SO THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. HE'S TALKING ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS TO ADDITIONAL BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND JUST REALLY TRYING TO ADVERTISE AND MARKET IT AND GET PEOPLE ENGAGED TO BE TO BECOME INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE PROCESS AND SEE THE ELABORATE PRESENTATION THAT ANGELICA PUTS ON FOR EVERYBODY TO WITNESS.

SO THE FACT OF SAYING WE DON'T KNOW IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BEING ENGAGED OR NOT ENGAGING.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM. SO I'M OPEN FOR THE DISCUSSION.

OKAY. SO COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN JEFF OR DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS ALWAYS RECALL, I WAS THE NAY VOTE AGAINST EVEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ELECTED. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE STAFF.

THEY'RE THE PROFESSIONALS. WE MEET WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER, WEEKLY OR BI WEEKLY ON BRIEFINGS.

WE WERE INTIMATE WITH THE DETAILS OF THE CITY.

I THINK THE CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD ADVISORY BOARD IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

I THINK WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE SKILL SET AND THE EXPERIENCE AND THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THIS PROCESS WITH STAFF AND VOTE ON THINGS THAT WE KNOW THE CITY NEEDS.

I THINK HISTORICALLY WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE THAT WERE A PART OF THIS BOARD THAT SAID NOBODY SHOWED UP.

SO I'M OPEN TO COUNCILMAN HAMMER'S IDEA FOR AN ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP MEETING, BUT I'M ADAMANTLY AGAINST THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE LAST WE DISCUSSED THIS.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD ENHANCE THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH IT.

AND AND YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD THIS DISCUSSION.

I AGREE, BUT I GOT NEW INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD.

AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LOT BETTER IDEA BECAUSE WE GET INPUT FROM EVERYBODY AND WELL, THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S DEBATABLE. THAT'S LITERALLY DEBATABLE.

I'VE SEEN WORKSHOPS LIKE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON JUST SAID FIVE, TEN PEOPLE COME IN.

I, I BELIEVE I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SPECTRUM, AND I RESPECT WHAT, YOU KNOW, DEPUTY MAYOR SAYING, BUT I ENJOY THE CITIZENS GETTING INVOLVED, ROLLING UP THEIR SLEEVES AND UNDERSTANDING THE THE WHOLE BUDGETARY PROCESS.

AND THAT IS A FORM OF OF INFORMING OTHER OTHER CITIZENS.

I ENJOY THAT PROCESS. MUCH LIKE THE PNC, EVEN THOUGH THEY DEAL WITH DIFFERENT DYNAMICS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT. NOW I'M HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO I'M STILL AT THE POINT OF HONING IN ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS SOMEONE WITH A FINANCIAL BUDGET EXPERIENCE MAYBE A

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I'M NOT CHANGING. I'M JUST OPENING UP A DISCUSSION FOR US TO HAVE AS AN OPTION AS TO.

I JUST WANT TO FEEL HOW EVERYBODY FEELS, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT OUTSIDE OF HERE.

SO I WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I FOUND OUT.

THIS IS INFORMATION. I FOUND OUT THAT I DON'T GET TO CALL AND TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT.

UNDERSTOOD. SO THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME AND AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT JUST GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU WANT YOU COULD TABLE THIS. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS ANYMORE.

BUT I ALREADY I ALREADY SAID WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

I YIELD TO TO THIS BOARD. SO, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, YOU WANT TO SHED SOME LIGHT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I ALSO HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, ELECTED MUNICIPALITY LEADERS IN OTHER CITIES.

AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE ALREADY CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY WORKSHOPS WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS YEAR.

SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE VERY WELL RESPECTED.

COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE NOW GONE ON TO BE STATE REPRESENTATIVES, AS I SAID.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE MAYBE TWO WORKSHOPS A YEAR.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA CIRCUMSTANCES WITH HAVING TO BRING A NEW CITY MANAGER ON AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, BUT SO WITH THE WITH THE BUDGET WORKSHOP PROCESS, I MEAN, WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE ONE WORKSHOP WHERE WE AND LET'S MARKET IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND LET'S GET AS MUCH CITIZEN INPUT AS WE CAN.

BUT I DON'T SEE HOW HAVING MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS DOES ANYTHING DIFFERENT OTHER THAN MAYBE IF YOU COULDN'T MAKE ONE, YOU COULD COME TO ANOTHER. BUT LIKE YOU SAID LIKE SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE GET MAYBE TEN RESIDENTS OUT OF 150,000 TO COME TO THESE WORKSHOPS.

SO I THINK WE DO OUR BEST TO HAVE ONE REALLY GOOD ONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME.

THAT'S STRESS ON OUR STAFF THAT HAS TO COME IN. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH STRESS ON ME.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ALL HAVE LIVES TOO. AND SO TO TO JUST DO IT, TO SAY WE'RE DOING IT IS, IS NOT THE SAME AS, LIKE LET'S DOING SOMETHING EFFICIENT.

I'M CERTAINLY WE DO ONE AND I DO I LIKE THE IDEA OF A BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

IT'S NOT PERFECT. I DO ALSO AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR SAID.

WE ARE ELECTED AND WE ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

SO HE'S 100% CORRECT ON THAT. YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, LET'S HAVE A CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY BEEN SPEAKING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY LOCKED ON.

THAT COULD BE A GOOD PICK FOR, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER I FILL FOR THAT SEAT.

SO I THINK A CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD AND ONE REALLY GOOD BUDGET WORKSHOP IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. MR. MORGAN. YES. MR. MORGAN.

I JUST OFFER A THOUGHT FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING THIS ITEM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, PERHAPS, FOR A MEETING OF THE MINDS.

JUST BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A FORMAL CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, THAT DOESN'T MEAN AT A WORKSHOP, YOU COULDN'T SPECIFICALLY INVITE THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE AS ADVISORS TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT IT'S SET. HERE'S WHEN WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GIVE US YOUR INPUT, THE KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I THINK YOU CAN YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT. AND SO I SORT OF WOULD SPEAK IN FAVOR, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGER IS YOUR CHIEF BUDGET ADVISOR, BUT GETTING INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU RESPECT AND APPRECIATE IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK JUST INVITING THEM TO WORKSHOP WOULD BE A WAY OF ACCOMPLISHING BOTH OF THOSE OBJECTIVES.

SO I OFFER THAT FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST FEASIBLE OPTION BECAUSE EACH OF US HAVE SOMEBODY WE CAN INVITE.

WE CAN INVITE PASTOR MARK MILLER, WHO'S WORKED FOR, I BELIEVE, EMBRAER, EMBRAER.

AND SO I THINK IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER ON MARKETING THIS, TREATING IT ALMOST SIMILAR TO A TOWN HALL MEETING AND REALLY PUTTING FORTH THE BEST EFFORT, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, MISS CHRISTINA BORN BY HERSELF, BUT ALL OF US COLLECTIVELY INVITING PEOPLE, HOMES, ORGANIZATIONS AND GIVING OUR BEST EFFORT ON THAT.

I FEEL THAT COULD WORK. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, MADAM TERESE, WHAT DO YOU NEED US TO TABLE THIS OR JUST DO AWAY WITH IT? WHAT DO YOU. WHAT DO YOU NEED? WE JUST GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

WELL, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN I WOULD. I WOULD MOTION TO WITHDRAW IT.

IF YOU PLAN ON BRINGING IT BACK IN THE FUTURE THEN I WOULD JUST TABLE IT.

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I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. ORDINANCE 202509.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON NUMBER TWO. OH, YOU SAID NAY.

OH! SO PASSES FOUR ONE WITH HAMMER. NAY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MISS SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2025 DASH TEN AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE FIVE, LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 52 BOARDS, SUBCHAPTER SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, BY REVISING PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE BOARD'S DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH. PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. MORGAN. YES, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SPEAKER. SPEAKER.

SIR. PARDON ME. MEMBERS. CITY COUNCIL. MAYOR.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT IS FIRST READING, BUT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY DECIDED TO DO THIS, SO IT'S SHOWN IN STRIKE OUT.

YOU'RE. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBER, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU HAVE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND MOVE IT TO SECOND READING. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR, SPEAKER CARDS.

JANE HIGGINS.

I REALLY ADMIRE YOUR STAMINA. JANE HIGGINS, 289 TAYLOR STREET, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

BUT I DO REALLY ADMIRE YOU ALL PUTTING IN THIS ENERGY.

THIS IS THE LATEST I'VE BEEN UP IN A REALLY LONG TIME.

SO. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE AND EXPAND A BIT ON SUSAN CONNOLLY'S STATUS ON OUR SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN. AS I SPOKE LAST TIME TO YOU ALL, WE ARE CONTINUING TO UPDATE THAT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY SUSTAINABILITY PLANS SUCH AS SUSTAINABLE. SEBASTIAN HAS A GREAT PLAN.

SATELLITE BEACH HAS A GREAT PLAN. TITUSVILLE AND COCOA.

SO WE'RE MERGING ALL OF THESE TOGETHER INTO THE THOUGHTS AS THEY APPLY TO PALM BAY.

AND OF COURSE, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY INPUT TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN, WE'D LOVE TO GET THAT AS WELL.

AND ESPECIALLY SO THAT WHEN WE COME PRESENTED TO YOU, YOU'D FEEL LIKE YOU WERE A PART OF THAT.

WE'RE ABOUT, I'D SAY, A THIRD OF THE WAY THROUGH IT.

SORRY. SO YOUR INPUT WOULD BE WELCOME AT ANY POINT ALONG THE NEXT.

I'D SAY FEW WEEKS WOULD BE GREAT. ALSO WANTED TO ASK IF YOU ALL COULD PLEASE HELP US FILL THE LAST TWO POSITIONS ON OUR BOARD. THOSE ARE FROM NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, LANGEVIN AND HAMMER, THAT WE STILL NEED THOSE POSITIONS FILLED. THAT WOULD BE REALLY AWESOME.

WHENEVER YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE JUST WONDERFUL.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I DO WE DO SUPPORT THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE MAKING TONIGHT.

THAT WAS A LITTLE OVERAMBITIOUS WAY BEFORE MY TIME, BUT WE TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ANOTHER SPEAKER? NO MORE CARDS. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'M CALLING THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, MR. MORGAN. YES. OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, JULIET MOSCONI, WILL COME TO THE PODIUM AND PRESENT THIS ITEM TO YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I JUST WANTED TO IT'S A LENGTHY STAFF REPORT THAT I.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE LONG STAFF REPORT. SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR PUBLIC.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF RECAP OF BUILDING E AND ALSO SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING.

SO JUST TO TO NOTE, THE PARCEL OUTSIDE OF OUR DOORS HERE WAS ALWAYS DESIGNED TO HAVE A BUILDING BUILT ON IT.

OUR SAINT JOHN'S PERMIT SHOWS A BUILDING IN THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE BUILDING IT RIGHT NOW.

SO IN 2021, ACTUALLY UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE LATE LARRY BRADLEY, OUR FORMER GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR WE STARTED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE INITIATIVE, AND WE HIRED A ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERING FIRM TO START THE DESIGN.

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AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT OTHER SPACE NEEDS FOR THE CITY.

FOR ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE GONE ON A TOUR THROUGH ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE AT CAPACITY OR OVER CAPACITY.

OUR PARKS AND FACILITIES DEPARTMENT DOES A WONDERFUL JOB DOING CONSTRUCTION, AND ARE CONSTANTLY RENOVATING OUR OFFICE SPACES TO FIT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE IN THE SAME SPACE. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT HOUSES EIGHT PEOPLE AND IT WAS DESIGNED FOR FOUR ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT WAS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAY BACK WHEN.

ANYWAY, WHEN THE ARPA FUNDS BECAME AVAILABLE, WE DECIDED TO LEVERAGE THOSE ARPA FUNDS TO CONTRIBUTE EXPANSION THAT WOULD CONTAIN GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. SO BUILDING AND UTILITIES ARE, OF COURSE, ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

BUT IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE BUILDING, WE ADDED THE ARPA FUNDS IN SEVERAL PHASES.

THE LAST PHASE WAS BRINGING OVER OUR IT DEPARTMENT INTO THE NEW BUILDING AS WELL, TAKING THEM FROM A VERY ANTIQUATED THE ORIGINAL CITY HALL BUILDING HERE OVER INTO A RISK CATEGORY FOR BUILDING THAT.

THIS IS THE HIGHEST WIND RATING THAT YOU CAN BUILD FOR THIS BUILDING HERE, AND IN DOING SO, WE ALSO MODIFIED THE DESIGN TO MAKE IT INTO AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

SO IT WILL HAVE A GENERATOR THAT WILL RUN THE BUILDING FOR 96 HOURS.

WE REUSED THE EXISTING LAYOUT TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T.

SO THERE'LL BE SPACE FOR BUNKING, BUT IT WILL BE WITHIN EXISTING OFFICES THERE.

THE SHOWER FACILITIES AND THE KITCHEN FACILITIES WERE ALREADY DESIGNED WITHIN THE BUILDING.

THE BIGGEST IMPACT WAS ACTUALLY HARDENING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND ALSO UPSIZING THE GENERATOR, WHICH IS WHY INSTEAD OF BEING NEAR THE BUILDING NOW, IT'S ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET IN THE NEW PARKING LOT.

SPEAKING OF PARKING, WE'RE GREATLY EXPANDING PARKING HERE ON CITY HALL AS WELL.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE THIS EVENING IS WE'RE DOING THE RECONCILIATION OF THE FINANCES.

SO WE'VE CONTRIBUTED BUILDING FUNDS, WE'VE CONTRIBUTED ARPA FUNDS.

BUT NOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE POTS OF MONEY SHOULD ACTUALLY GO.

SO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, JOHN PEARSON, AND OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI, DID A WONDERFUL ANALYSIS WHERE THEY LOOKED LITERALLY ROOM BY ROOM AT WHAT THE USAGE WAS, AND CALCULATED OUT THE SPACE INTO THREE DIFFERENT USAGES.

BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AT 27%, UTILITIES IS AT 23%, AND GENERAL FUND IS AT 50%.

THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO INCLUDING THE MAJORITY OF THE THIRD FLOOR IN THE GENERAL FUND CALCULATION.

BUT I JUST WANT TO NOTE THE THIRD FLOOR IN THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION IS NOT BEING BUILT OUT.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO HAVE WALLS, DRYWALL, BUT IT WILL BE BARE CONCRETE FLOOR.

ALL THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS STUBBED OUT, BUT THERE'S NOT ANY OFFICE SPACE.

THE ONE ONE OF THE CHANGE ORDERS WE DID APPROVE WAS PROCURING ALL OF THE DRYWALL AND FRAMING FOR A FUTURE BUILD OUT OF THAT FLOOR, AND IT'S ALL STOCKPILED THERE AND WILL BE SECURED AND PROTECTED FROM ANY KIND OF ELEMENTS OR SPRINKLERS THAT COULD GO OFF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT A WINDOW OR THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IF WE EVER WANT TO BUILD THAT OUT IN THE FUTURE.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE FINANCIALS AND HOW WE WANTED TO BREAK IT DOWN, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DETERMINED IS THAT 50% OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE FUNDED BY GENERAL FUND, AND THEN 15% WILL BE BUILT OUT BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL PAY BACK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THROUGH AN AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

THE ONLY OTHER CONTRIBUTION FROM UTILITIES AT THIS TIME IS FOR THEIR FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT, AND THOSE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALREADY MADE THOSE SELECTIONS WITHIN THE BUDGET.

SO ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS $1.8 MILLION, ROUGHLY FROM THE BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND, TO BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT. THAT IS ALL IN.

THIS WILL GET US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO FINISH THE BUILDING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SHELF SPACE OF THE THIRD FLOOR.

THAT INCLUDES FURNITURE, FIXTURES, EQUIPMENT, IT EQUIPMENT, ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEM, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, THE EXPANDED PARKING, REPAVING, THE PARKING THAT WE'VE RIPPED UP IN THE PROCESS AND HOLDING A CONTINGENCY FOR ANY CHANGE ORDERS.

WE HAVE PROCESS CHANGE ORDERS TO DATE. MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN OWNER DIRECTED CHANGES.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS WHERE ANYONE'S GOING TO BE HANDLING ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE SAVED MONEY BY DOING WHAT'S CALLED OWNER DIRECT PURCHASING.

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AND THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS ASK IS, BESIDES THE $1.8 MILLION FROM THE BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND 235 FOR UTILITIES FOR THEIR FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT IS JUST THE ABILITY FOR US TO MOVE THAT MONEY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS AS WE NEED TO, BUT STILL WITHIN THE PROJECT. SO WE NEED TO MOVE IT FROM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OVER TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, OVER TO PURCHASING OPERATING EQUIPMENT. WE WANT THE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COMING BACK TO YOU ALL JUST TO SAVE TIME AND MONEY, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. THANK YOU MA'AM. SPEAKER CARDS.

BILL. BATTEN. BILL. BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS. TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE WAS WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN, FLOOR PLAN, LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING WHERE I COULD SEE BECAUSE I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I WANTED TO SEE THE SHOWERS. I WANTED TO SEE THE BUNK ROOM.

I WANTED TO SEE THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND THE STORAGE AREAS TO KIND OF SEE WHAT IT WAS LAID OUT.

IF IT'S A CONFLICT OF SECURITY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHERE THE IT RUNS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T NEED THAT. JUST A JUST A FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT.

THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION, AND THE SECOND ONE WAS ON THE GENERATOR FOR 96 HOUR, WHICH IS VERY GOOD TO GET ONE THAT LONG.

WAS IT GOING TO BE DIESEL OR GAS? BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY JUST TO KEEP RUNNING, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FUEL WITHIN THE CITY IF WE HAVE TO JUST KEEP IT RUNNING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT MY FEAR WAS.

AND THEN WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFILL THAT, THAT STORAGE TANK, WHETHER IT BE A GAS OR OIL? RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. YES. THANK YOU, MR. BATTEN, IN REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION, YES. UNFORTUNATELY, ANY ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OF ANY CITY FACILITY IS EXEMPT FROM PUBLIC RECORD.

BUT WHAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU IS SOME VERY NICELY DONE RENDERINGS.

NOT QUITE AS NICE AS ASHTON PARK, BUT NICE RENDERINGS THAT THAT SHOW KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF THE LAYOUT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND THEN ALSO THAT'S A DIESEL GENERATOR. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YES. QUICK QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK THROUGH MY NOTES.

WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE MAKER OR WHAT CAUSED THE DIFFERENCE MAKER? I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT BUILDING E WAY BACK A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS ESTIMATED ABOUT 13, 11.5 TO 13.5. TO NOW IT'S LOOKING AT 16 POINT SOMETHING.

LET ME SEE. I WAS TRYING TO DO THE MATH QUICK, BUT WHAT WAS THE CAVEAT? I GUESS SO I'M DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THERE WAS A TIME THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING ONLY A TWO STORY BUILDING, SO ADDING THE THIRD FLOOR COULD BE PART OF THAT SIGNIFICANT COST CHANGE.

ALSO THERE THERE WAS A, A A CHANGE HAVING TO HARDEN THE BUILDING AND TO BRING THE IT INFRASTRUCTURE IN.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THE FEATURES OF I BRIAN, I HOPE THIS ISN'T A VIOLATION IS IT HAS A SUNKEN FLOOR AND IT HAS A SPECIAL TYPE OF FIRE PREVENTION SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A SPRINKLER WHERE YOUR DATA CENTER IS.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE COSTS THAT I CAN IMAGINE.

AND THEN GENERATOR WAS A SIGNIFICANT COST. UPSIZING THE GENERATOR TO MAKE IT AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OWNER DIRECT PURCHASES TO WHERE WE SAVED, I THINK, AROUND $10,000 IN TAXES BY BUYING IT DIRECTLY.

OKAY. I START TO CRINGE WHEN I, I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION JUST BEING BEING DISCLOSED.

ANY ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MA'AM. MAN. ALRIGHT.

I NEED A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MAYOR. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? YEAH. YOU KNOW HAD I BEEN ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE INITIALLY SPENT THE ARPA MONEY ON.

BUT WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THAT, AND WE'RE BUILDING THIS BUILDING. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT OUR STAFF HAS BEEN DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB ON THE BUILD.

AND THE REALITY IS, IS IT'S GETTING THERE AND WE NEED TO FINISH THE PROJECT.

SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND GET IT DONE. DEPUTY MAYOR.

YEAH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY TOUR THE BUILDING TODAY, AND THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.

I THINK OUR STAFF'S DOING A GREAT JOB WITH IT AGAIN.

I AGREE WITH MR. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS THE PROJECT I WOULD HAVE CHOSE TO, TO BEGIN WITH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE PREGNANT WITH IT NOW, AND WE GOT TO SEE IT THROUGH.

SO I KIND OF LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY HARDENING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

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SO I KIND OF LIKE THAT ASPECT TO IT. AND THE THIRD FLOOR IS STILL AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH.

AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP SOME SPACE FOR THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THIS.

AND I THINK THIS IS THIS WAS A GREAT DECISION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. NOW BUCKLE UP, GENTLEMEN, I NEED A MOTION TO EXTEND MY MEETING.

SO MOVED SECOND, 30 MINUTES. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR MR. MORGAN. YES, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS ARE DEPARTMENTAL REQUESTS FOR MID-YEAR BUDGET INCREASES.

AND THE FIRST ONE, ITEM FOUR, IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY DOCTOR ROBINSON.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRIAN ROBINSON, IT DIRECTOR.

AND THIS ITEM HAS THREE COMPONENTS TO IT. ONE IS OUR FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH WE WERE UNDER DIRE NEED OF REPAIR.

SO THIS ITEM IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FUNDING TO DO THOSE REPAIRS, SUCH AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

WE ALSO HAVE THE CHAT BOT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT ONE OF THE INITIATIVES FROM COUNCIL WAS TO LOOK AT SOME AI TYPE INITIATIVES, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT I WAS ABLE TO OUR TEAM WAS ABLE TO TO IDENTIFY, AND WE PUT INTO PLACE TO ALLOW THE ABILITY FOR RESIDENTS TO ASK QUESTIONS.

I BELIEVE IT ACTUALLY HAS ABOUT 70 SOMETHING LANGUAGES THAT IT SPEAKS.

SO SOMEONE CAN ACTUALLY JUST WRITE IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE AND SEARCH FOR SOMETHING ON OUR PUBLIC FACING WEBSITE.

SO THIS IS FOR RENEWAL COSTS. THAT UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR REGULAR BUDGET FOR RENEWAL.

SO IT'S COMING TO THE POINT OF RENEWAL. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR FOR THIS ONE.

AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM IS WE HAVE SOME CRITICAL ERRORS IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE NEED TO PUT SOME CAMERAS IN AROUND OUR FACILITY.

SO THAT'S THAT ITEM. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL.

YES, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR, NUMBER TWO, HOW MUCH ACTIVITY DOES THE CHATBOT GET? I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF HAND, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT REPORT FOR YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SEEING NONE. SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR.

NO SPEAKER CARDS. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'LL SECOND IT. GOT A SECOND? BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? YEAH, I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT, SIR, THAT LET ME GET THE FOLKS THAT MADE THE MOTION, SAID GENTLEMEN. YEAH, MAYOR. YEAH. A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN I WENT TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, I SAW HOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WERE STARTING TO IMPLEMENT AI.

BECAUSE THAT IS, IT'S THE NEXT BIG, BIG TECH INDUSTRY BOOM.

SO I SPOKE WITH STAFF AT THAT TIME, SPOKE WITH DOCTOR ROBINSON AT THAT TIME ON AI.

AND WHAT ARE SOME SAFE WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT WITHOUT GOING FULL, YOU KNOW, SKYNET.

SO WITH THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE, LIKE, LOW HANGING FRUITS THAT CAN PROVIDE YOU KNOW, REAL, REAL TIME ANSWERS FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS. SO THEY'RE NOT ON FACEBOOK ASKING EACH OTHER QUESTIONS AND CAN'T GET A SOLUTION TO IT.

THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT TO OUR WEBSITE, ASK THE QUESTION AND GET REAL TIME ANSWER, OR THEY'RE NOT BOUNCING AROUND FROM STAFF TO STAFF TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER HERE OR GO TO BUILDING DEPARTMENT. OH NO, GO TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

NO. YOU CAN GET THE REAL TIME ANSWERS RIGHT THERE BECAUSE ALL THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY READILY AVAILABLE.

SO THAT'S ALL, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

YES, MR.. MAYOR, COULD WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER JUST EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE THESE FOUR ITEMS RIGHT NOW? BEING ASKED OUTSIDE OF THE JUST FOR PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.

ABSOLUTELY. MR. MORGAN, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN.

I THINK THE STAFF KNOWS IS WHEN I GOT HERE 12 WEEKS AGO, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BY HOW PALM BAY HAS BUDGETED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WHERE NOT EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC IS INCLUDED IN THE ADOPTION BUDGET. AND WE THEN THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, HAVE SEVERAL BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT USE UNAPPROPRIATED RESERVES FOR FUNDING THOSE ITEMS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET INITIALLY.

SO WE GO THROUGH A BIG EFFORT, AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT WHAT WE GO THROUGH TO PRESENT THE BUDGET AND THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT IT EACH

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AND WE DON'T COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR MID-YEAR BUDGET REQUESTS, AND WE TELL DEPARTMENTS AND CITIZENS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL THAT, OKAY, THAT WASN'T IN THE BUDGET. AND SO THAT CONSIDERATION OF SOMETHING NEW SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING BUDGET YEAR.

SO IT'S A WAY OF SORT OF KEEPING THE COUNCIL AND THE MANAGEMENT AND THE OPERATIONS FOCUSED ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT.

BUDGETING IS PRIORITY SETTING. AND SO BY INCORPORATING ALL OF OUR BUDGET NEEDS INTO THE INITIALLY ADOPTED BUDGET AND MINIMIZING MID-YEAR BUDGET REQUESTS.

THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO, PLUS OUR NEW OPPORTUNITY, CONVERT OUR SYSTEM TO A BETTER SYSTEM. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH A LOT THERE.

BUT YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO SEE TWO MORE OF THESE WHILE I'M HERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET NEXT MEETING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FROM A SMALL ONE FROM FIRE AND NOT A BASICALLY A VEHICLE LARGE TRUCK REQUEST FROM UTILITIES, BUT IT WILL BE DONE AT THAT POINT.

SO THIS HAS BEEN A HISTORIC THING THAT THE CITY HAS DONE AND COULDN'T REALLY CHANGE THAT IN THE FIRST 12 WEEKS.

BUT GOING FORWARD, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MORE TRADITIONAL APPROACH TO BUDGETING THAN PALM BAY HAS DONE IN IN YEARS PAST.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR.

I'M JUST I'M GOING TO DENY IT ON MY END TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW THE QUESTION, TO ANSWER NUMBER TWO, TO SEE IF WHAT THE VALUE AND THERE IS, I LIKE I, I USE IT PERSONALLY, BUT OUR RESIDENTS USING IT. AND HOW MUCH IMPACT IS IT HAVING? SO FOR THAT REASON, I JUST I WON'T BE APPROVING THE MOTION THAT'S IN ENTIRETY. THANK YOU.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED BY SAYING NAY.

NAY. PASSES 4 TO 1. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

YES. MR. MORGAN COUNCIL, PRESENTING THE REQUEST FROM PARKS AND FACILITIES DEPARTMENT IS OUR DIRECTOR, GREG MINOR. THAT'S SERGEANT MAJOR MINOR. YEAH.

UNITED STATES ARMY, RETIRED. COUNCIL. MAYOR. THIS IS THIS IS REALLY A REQUEST IS BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR CATEGORIES IN THE FIRST REQUEST INVOLVES UNEXPECTED WORK THAT OCCURRED, I.E., AT FIRE STATION NUMBER FIVE.

WE HAD TO GO IN AND REPLACE THE THE PUMPS. THERE WAS A FAILURE.

I MEAN, WE TRIED TO REPAIR THEM AND THEY WERE NOT REPAIRABLE.

THE SECOND ITEM IS AT POLICE HEADQUARTERS. WE HAD TO GO AND BASICALLY RESEAL THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF WATER LEAKS. THIRD IS THE ADA RAMP THAT WE INSTALLED IN THE BACK TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE DIES.

AND THEN FOURTH ITEM IS JUST LIKE MANY ANY DEPARTMENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD MORE PEOPLE THAN THAN OFFICES.

SO WE BUILT THREE OFFICES WITHIN OUR WAREHOUSE.

WE DID THE MAJORITY OF WORK. THE ONLY THING THAT WE ACTUALLY SUBBED OUT WAS THE AIR CONDITIONING WORK.

NEXT CATEGORY IS IS THREE VEHICLES THAT'S DUE FOR REPLACEMENT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, MANY OF THEM ARE OVER OVER 20 YEARS OLD.

AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT HAVE SUPER HIGH MILEAGE, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF SHORT RUNS THROUGH THE CITY.

SO BUT THESE VEHICLES ARE QUITE, QUITE OLD. AND THE NEXT THING IS THE LIFT, WE HAVE A LIFT THAT WE USE FOR MANY, MANY REASONS. TO REPAIR LIGHT FIXTURES DURING HURRICANE SEASON, WHEN WE GO TO INSTALL THE HURRICANE CURTAINS.

WE USE IT, USE IT FOR THAT. PLUS, WE ALSO HAVE NUMEROUS PLAYGROUNDS THAT HAVE SHADE STRUCTURES ON THAT WE TAKE OFF DIRT IF THE STORMS APPROACH. AND SO SO THEY'RE NOT DESTROYED.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CHILLER AT PALM BAY SENIOR CENTER.

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WE'RE BASICALLY WORKING ON THIS CHILLER ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

SO THAT THAT'S THE REQUEST I HAVE. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON NOT A QUESTION.

JUST A COMMENT. SO I'LL WAIT. I'LL WAIT TILL DISCUSSION.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS COUNSELOR? NO OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS. DEPUTY MAYOR. NO, MAYOR. OKAY.

I NEED A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 FUNDING REQUESTS FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE WATER CHILLER FOR THE GREATER PALM BAY SENIOR CENTER.

I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, WE'RE WE'RE RAINING. WE'RE RENTING THIS OUT FOR NOTHING.

PRETTY MUCH. AND WE'RE THE ONES STILL HAVING TO FOOT THE BILL.

WHEN WE DON'T USE IT, WE DON'T USE IT FOR THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER EVENTS.

WE USE IT ONCE A YEAR FOR THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE NOT USING IT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO FOOT THE BILL.

AND I DON'T FEEL THAT IS CORRECT. SO THEREFORE, I WAS GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ELSE ON THIS, BUT THAT ONE.

I JUST CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT USING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING.

SO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I DON'T KNOW IF IT AFFECTS THE, THE, THE LEASE AGREEMENT WE HAVE, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR LEASE AGREEMENT IS IS UP.

AND I THINK SCOTT MOORE, MR. MORGAN IS IS WORKING ON THAT LEASE AGREEMENT CURRENTLY.

YEAH. I MEAN, REAL QUICK I READ THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

I SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH. WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPLACE THE CHILLER SYSTEM.

THIS GOES BACK TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHERE I EXPRESSED MY CONCERN RENTING TO THE NON-PROFITS OR ANY TENANT, FOR THAT MATTER. AND US STILL BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING SYSTEMS. THE SENIOR CENTER IS REQUIRED TO PAY REPAIRS UP TO $600.

THAT'S THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS IS ON THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL BE RESCINDING MY MOTION.

COPY THAT. SO SO SO. SO IT DIES. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT IS PART OF THE LEASE. AND IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY CURRENTLY.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. MR. MORGAN IS LITERALLY ABOUT TO NEGOTIATE.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR ARE YOU IN THE MIDST OF THAT? WE PLAN ON COMING TO THE COUNCIL IN APRIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE LEASE RENEWAL.

OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW I STILL NEED A MOTION. I WILL SAY MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TILL AFTER APRIL. I SECOND. THIS WOULD AFFECT THE THE WHOLE BUDGET FOR THESE FOLKS OVER ONE CHILL ITEM. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $125,000. SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S JUST.

BUT WE'RE OBLIGATED BY THE LEASE. LEGALLY, WE'RE OBLIGATED BY THE LEASE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LISTENING TO HERE. LEGALLY, WE HAVE TO DO THIS.

BUT I'M SAYING THE LEASE IS UP IN TWO MONTHS.

SO THIS. IS THE CHILLER GOING TO GO OUT IN TWO MONTHS? IT'S ALREADY OUT. IT WAS OUT WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

OH. OH, YEAH, I WASN'T THERE, SO. YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH, I JUST I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN TALKING ON THIS FOR A FEW YEARS, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE MY FRUSTRATION LIES.

MAYOR. YEAH. AND I HEAR YOU. AND MAYBE WE COULD WORK ON THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS TO YOUR TO YOUR CONCERNS, RIGHT? ONE OF THEM IS THERE'S A THERE'S AN OWNERSHIP CAPACITY TO THIS, AND THERE'S FRICTION WHEN WHEN THE CITY MAY NEED IT FOR FOR AN EVENT OR, OR SOMETHING.

IT'S LIKE THERE'S RESISTANCE THERE WHEN IT'S A WHEN IT'S A CITY FACILITY.

SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S JUST THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T THAT.

MAYBE WE JUST CAN WORK ON. WE COULD START LOOKING AT UNDER YOUR REPORTS.

LET'S TALK ABOUT. OKAY, LET'S LET'S TRY AND GO DOWN THIS WAY AND GET CONSENSUS.

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YOU'RE HOLDING UP ONE. THEN WE'RE OBLIGATED TO IT, AND IT'S ALREADY OUT.

ALRIGHT, THEN. I'LL IF COUNCILMAN CHANDLER WILL PULL HIS SECOND, I'M GOING TO PULL MY FIRST, BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING. OKAY. YEAH. EXCUSE ME.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. YEAH. I MEAN, THE POINT FOR ME IS JUST.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE OWNING BUILDINGS WHEN WE'RE AS POOR AS WE ARE, AND THEN GIVING THEM OUT FOR FREE.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP HAMMERING IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT FOR TONIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND RESCIND MY SECOND AND WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION MORE WHEN THE LEASE AGREEMENT COMES UP IN TWO MONTHS. OKAY, SO I, I DON'T HAVE A SECOND.

I NEED A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MID-YEAR BUDGET, PRIORITIES AND REIMBURSEMENT FACILITY REPAIRS FOR THE PARKS AND FACILITIES DEPARTMENT FOR $480,000 TO 268, AND I'LL SECOND IT.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE. ALL IN ALL OPPOSED.

SAY NAY. NAY. SO PASSES 3 TO 2. THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

YES, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS AN ITEM FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE POLICE CHIEF WILL BE HAPPY TO PRESENT WHILE HE'S COMING UP, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS TO REPLACE PATROL CARS THAT ARE AGING, AND IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU SIR.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR, AS CITY MANAGER MORGAN MENTIONED 24 PATROL VEHICLES TO REPLACE.

THESE ARE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES. SO THE VEHICLES ARE AVERAGING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THAT ARE ON THE LIST BETWEEN 10 AND 15 YEARS OF AGE.

SO THEY'VE THEY'VE SERVED THE CITY WELL AND WELL OVER 100,000 MILES FOR EACH VEHICLE.

SO THIS IS IT'S A NECESSITY. THE AMOUNT IS 1,749,006 HUNDRED, I BELIEVE, FOR 24 PATROL VEHICLES, POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLES, WHICH COMES FULLY EQUIPPED. THE THE LIGHTS, THE SIRENS, THE EQUIPMENT FOR INSIDE IN TERMS OF MOUNTING STATIONS FOR COMPUTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND RADIOS. ARE YOU TRACKING A DEALER THAT THAT COULD PROVIDE THESE VEHICLES TODAY, THOSE 24 VEHICLES, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO GO SENDING OUT THAT FISHNET.

NOT 100% SURE. I BELIEVE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE GOT WE HAVE TO SEARCH AND CHECK WITH THE PUTTING IT OUT THERE, SO. OKAY. COPY THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. JUST THE ONE VEHICLE, THE FORD INTERCEPTOR.

IT LOOKS RELATIVELY NEW. IS THAT WHICH ONE WAS IT? 23 FORD, 2026 2026. WELL, ACCORDING TO WHAT I SEE HERE IS 2026 FORD INTERCEPTOR.

THE ONES THEY'RE REPLACING. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S A IT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE THAT IS IT A WRECKER IN A CRASH IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR ON THIS ONE? NO, SIR.

WHICH ONE IS THIS? SEVEN. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SECOND, SECOND. GOT A MOTION? ALL. I HAVE TWO SECONDS. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

YEAH, I WENT ON THE RIDE ALONG AND I GOT TO RIDE IN ONE OF THE THE NICER EXPLORERS, BUT I ALSO GOT TO SEE SOME OF THE CHARGERS.

SO I'M WITH YOU ON THIS ONE. YES, SIR. I'VE WRITTEN THEM BOTH MYSELF.

YES, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MISTER MORGAN.

YES. THIS IS THE LAST OF THE. FOR THIS EVENING OF MID-YEAR BUDGET REQUESTS OR PRIORITIES OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

AND WE HAVE ACTING DIRECTOR CHRISTINE SULLIVAN TO PRESENT TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL. THIS REQUEST IS FOR REPLACEMENT CAPITAL ITEMS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE DIVISIONS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING SURVEY TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, ALL PERFORMING DIFFERENT TASKS WITHIN THE CITY TO KEEP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE UP AND RUNNING. THE ITEMS ARE DETAILED ON THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED.

THE ONLY NEW ITEMS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ARE A SANDBAG MACHINE FILLER, AND AN ADDITIONAL CLAW TRUCK.

THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 FOR DESIGN FUNDING, OUT OF TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE FOR THREE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DESIGNED BY AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR.

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OKAY. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE INTERSECTIONS DESIGNED SO THAT SHOULD WE FIND FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS, WE WILL HAVE SHELF READY PLANS TO PROVIDE THE GRAND TOUR.

I WANTED YOU TO STATE THAT PUBLICLY. ON THE RECORD, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? SEEING. NONE.

ACTUALLY, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO FOR THEIR SANDBAGS? I KNOW LIKE WEST MELBOURNE HAS A PRETTY BIG OPERATION. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, MR. MORGAN, DO THEY HAVE WAS IT MANUAL LABOR OR IS IT A MACHINE? YEAH. THE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS A MACHINE.

WE WOULD USE OUR OWN CREWS TO DO A BUNCH, THEN ASK CITIZENS THEMSELVES TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK PALM BAY HAS HISTORICALLY DONE THAT.

THE SANDBAGGING MACHINE IS JUST SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER.

SO FOR A CITY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FIVE TIMES THE POPULATION AND TEN TIMES THE AREA, IT'S PROBABLY JUST A LOT MORE EFFICIENT WHEN YOU NEED IT.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE OF A CLAW TRUCK.

THAT'S A VERY HIGH DOLLAR ITEM. BUT IT'S NOT JUST DURING HURRICANE DEBRIS PICKUP.

I'VE SEEN OUR ONE CLAW TRUCK OUT THERE A GREAT DEAL.

AND SO AS MISS SULLIVAN INDICATED, THOSE ARE THE NEW THINGS.

THE OTHER THINGS ARE REPLACEMENTS OF SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED REPLACEMENTS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING ABOUT THE SAND BAG FILLER.

AND THEN I HAD A FLASHBACK OF BEING ONLINE FOR DAYS TO GET SANDBAGS AT SAN FILIPPO.

SO AT THAT POINT, I THAT I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION BY THAT EXPERIENCE.

AND AND MR. MORGAN IS CORRECT WITH SO MANY RESIDENTS, THAT LINE WENT ON FOR DAYS.

THE WAY I REMEMBER IT. SO. YES, SIR, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NEW BUSINESS. SO WE HAVE WE DO HAVE A CARD, AS YOU WERE.

AND SPEAKER CARD. BILL BATTEN, MASTER CHIEF. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MASTER CHIEF.

YOU'VE BEEN DISCOUNTING ME FOR YEARS. I'M USED TO IT.

OH, IT'S. MY FAULT. I APOLOGIZE. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE CLAW TRUCK FOR THE FIRST ITEM.

AND I TALKED ABOUT WHAT A GOOD JOB THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE PICKING UP FOR THE HURRICANE.

NOW, IN FACT, AND I ALSO AND I SEE THEM AROUND DURING OTHER TIMES, DON'T GET ME WRONG WITH THAT.

BUT SOMETHING IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT HAS THIS CAPABILITY, WE HAVE TRASH THAT GETS PILED ALL ALONG THE.

I MEAN, BIG PILES OF TRASH. YOU GO OUT ANY PLACE YOU WANT, ANY STREET THAT YOU WANT, ALMOST, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A PILE OF TRASH THAT'S NOT FOR A RESIDENT.

AND OF COURSE, THE PUBLIC'S AREN'T GOING TO I MEAN, THE REPUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RESIDENT, BUT IT JUST SITS THERE. SO IF WE COULD START UTILIZING THAT AND SAY, MAYBE HERE, I DON'T MIND PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO GET ANOTHER SERVICE FOR THAT, FOR THAT CLAW TRUCK, IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, AND SAY, OKAY, INSTEAD OF JUST DRIVING BY AND LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WELL, NOW I CAN COME TO MY CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU JUST BOUGHT ME A BRAND NEW CLAW TRUCK.

LET'S PUT IT TO USE. THAT'S THE FIRST ITEM. SECOND ITEM WAS THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY EACH ONE WENT FROM $300,000 FOR A PLANNING TO $400,000 PER TRAFFIC LIGHT.

I JUST COULDN'T SEE WHY THERE WAS SUCH A BIG INCREASE IN THAT COST.

I MEAN, THAT'S WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF WITHOUT THIS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD ONE MORE TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD THE PLANNING FOR.

I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF PLANNING AHEAD, BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT IT READY TO GO TO SUBMIT.

IF A GRANT EVER CAME UP. THAT'S GREAT. BUT I'VE SEEN HOW SLOW THIS HAPPENS.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAT BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS, SAN FILIPPO MIGHT BE FOUR LANES WIDE BY THE TIME THAT WE GET THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

NEVER HAPPENED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, REGARDING THE CLAW TRUCK.

I GOTTA I GOTTA SAY THIS THERE ARE SEVERAL CITIZENS THAT ARE JUST DOING THE ILLEGAL DUMPING ALL OVER OUR CITY.

AND I'VE NOTICED THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE JUST EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.

PLEASE DON'T ILLEGALLY DUMP OR BE RESPONSIBLE TO BEAUTIFY THE CITY, BUT I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE LOCATIONS THAT PEOPLE DUMP THEIR MATTRESSES ON A VACANT LOT.

AND IT'LL SIT THERE LIKE MR. BATON SAID. SO, YEAH, TO PUT THAT CLAW TRUCK TO USE THAT, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

DON'T WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC WORKS EXTRA WORK, BUT CERTAINLY I AM GETTING CALLS LIKE THAT.

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BUT ALSO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT HE RAISED HIS CONCERNS ABOUT.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST UNDERBUDGETED AT THE FRONT END.

AND THAT'S REALLY SORT OF TODAY'S COST OF ENGINEERING.

I SUSPECT THAT'S PROBABLY THE CASE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I NEED A MOTION, GENTLEMEN. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY SECOND DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE ON COUNCIL REPORTS. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.

ALL RIGHT, SO TONIGHT I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CHICKENS.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

AND THEN I STARTED TO GET MIXED RESULTS FROM PEOPLE WHO I WAS TALKING TO.

THAT IN THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT GOT REDUCED TO ZERO.

AND I THINK, IS THIS POSSIBLY WHAT MR. BATTEN'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT? ABOUT HOW HE CAN'T. NO. OKAY. SORRY. SO BUT SO FIRST, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME CLARITY ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT.

IS ANYONE IN STAFF CAPABLE OF ANSWERING ON A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL LOT? CAN YOU OWN CHICKENS? AND IF SO, HOW MANY? YEAH.

YES. MISS FRASER? I YEAH, IT WAS FOR. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. JULIET.

YEAH. WELL WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE. I'LL TAKE BILL'S WORD FOR IT, BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AND I APOLOGIZE.

HOW MANY CHICKENS CAN WE HAVE? I BELIEVE IT'S THREE.

NO, ROOSTERS. ROOSTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED. YEAH.

ROOSTERS ARE NOT. BUT IT'S. IT'S THREE, NOT FOUR.

PRETTY SURE I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. SO LET'S LET'S LOOK IT UP.

WHAT'S YOUR NEXT ITEM, SIR? OKAY. WELL ON THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK AND SEE IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO SEE IF WE COULD COME BACK WITH AN ADJUSTMENT ON THAT TO RAISE THE NUMBER TO 12 ON A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL LOT.

AND THE REASON BEING. CARRY ON. WELL, LOOK. OKAY, WE GOT CHICKEN PRICES OR EGG PRICES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF. IT IS FOUR. OKAY. OKAY. SO, LOOK, I MEAN, FOR CHICKEN, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR.

FIRST OFF, WE'VE GOT PRETTY BIG LOTS. AND WHERE WE DON'T HAVE BIG LOTS THOSE ARE NORMALLY AN HOA.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN CHICKEN RULES ON HOA.

SO WE'RE MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT OUR OWN STANDARD KIND OF QUARTER ACRE LOTS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE MORE THAN FOUR AND ARE LEANING MORE TOWARDS 12, BUT WE DON'T REALLY ENFORCE IT. BUT ALSO, WERE A CITY OF CODES, SO WE SHOULD JUST HAVE THE CODE WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND THEN WE SHOULD ENFORCE WHAT WE DON'T HAVE. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A STANDARD FAMILY OF FOUR FOUR CHICKENS, LAYS AN EGG A DAY, IF THEY WANT TO EAT EGGS, THEY'RE PROBABLY EATING 2 OR 3 EGGS. A PERSON FOR FOUR CHICKENS ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT.

AND LISTEN, I KNOW YOU THINK IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHICKENS, BUT I PUT A THING OUT ON FACEBOOK AND I SAID, IF WE COULD HAVE 4 OR 12 CHICKENS, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT? AND THEN A PALM BAY CHICKEN GROUP OF 2000 PEOPLE WITH 2000 PEOPLE IN THE PALM BAY CHICKEN GROUP.

HUNDREDS REPLIED. SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, THIS IS SEEMS KIND OF SILLY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY.

AND THEN I LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE COVID. I LOOKED AT I EVEN LOOKED IN THE PAST AT AN OLD WORLD WAR ONE.

ADVERTISEMENT. AND IT SAID, BE PATRIOTIC, RAISE CHICKENS IN YOUR BACKYARD, BECAUSE AT THE TIME, THERE WAS A WAR GOING ON AND FOOD WAS BEING RATIONED.

SO WHEN RANDOM THINGS COME UP LIKE THIS, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SOMETHING TO FALL BACK ON.

WHEN AN H1N1 FLU VIRUS CAUSES A CHICKEN AND EGG PRICES GO UP.

WE'RE ALLOWING OUR RESIDENTS TO TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE OR, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT HAVE MORE THAN FOUR FOUR JUST DOESN'T CUT IT.

AND THEN A QUARTER ACRE LOT 8 TO 12 CHICKENS ISN'T REALLY A BIG DEAL.

SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS TO ALLOW US TO MOVE THE NUMBER UP TO 12.

AGAIN, NO ROOSTERS. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO A FEW THINGS.

ONE, MISS THERESE, IF YOU COULD SEND THE MEETING FROM 29, 2020, IT WAS RIGHT AFTER COVID THAT WE HAD A.

IT WAS BEFORE I CAME ON. YES, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE.

WE PROBABLY SPOKE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOURS ABOUT CHICKENS.

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I WOULD WILL BE OPEN TO EIGHT. I WILL BE OPEN TO EIGHT.

I SAID SIX. THIS. THIS COULD GO DOWNHILL REAL QUICK.

I THINK I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING.

YES. UNTIL MIDNIGHT. YEAH, I GOT A MOTION. SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. OKAY. WELL, MAYBE NOW'S NOT THE REAL TIME.

YEAH, HE CAN WORK WITH STAFF. YEAH. YOU KNOW, COME.

COME BACK TO IT WITH US. AND THEN THIS CAN GO SOUTH.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS COULD GO SOUTH REAL QUICK.

SURE. SO IF. YEAH. SO. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL REPORTS IS JUST WOULD YOU GUYS EVEN BE AMIABLE TO ME, BRINGING THIS BACK IN AN AGENDA ITEM TO TO MAYBE DISCUSS A NUMBER THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

I WOULDN'T BE I WOULDN'T BE A I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO INCREASE IT.

I I'M, I'M AT THAT POINT I COULD SEE CHICKENS RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THEN HAVING CHICKENS AND AND GROWING CHICKENS AND KILLING THEM, PLUCKING THEM AND SERVING THEM, YOU KNOW. WELL, NOT ON THE FARM, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

GO AHEAD. I THINK I THINK MAYBE I THINK I THINK 12 IS A LOT.

YOU THINK I'M CONCERNED WITH, LIKE, POOR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH 40 FOOT AND 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS? OF COURSE. YEAH. RIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF POOR COMMUNITIES AND PALM BAY.

I'VE SEEN COMMUNITIES WHERE CHICKENS HAVE RUN WILD.

THEY. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN GOATS ON PROPERTY THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE GOATS, YOU KNOW, LIKE.

EXACTLY. SO WHERE WHERE DO WE, YOU KNOW, DRAW THE LINE.

DO YOU WANT ANYWAY? YEAH. I'M NOT. I WOULDN'T ENTERTAIN IT.

I THINK FORD IS ENOUGH. IF YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP COULD WE MEET IN THE MIDDLE AT EIGHT WITH THE WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? I I'M NOT I'M NOT FOR IT. I'M. I GOT A THUMBS DOWN ON THAT.

THAT'S ONE. TWO. SO YOU GOT THREE. ALL RIGHT.

JUST TO BRING IT BACK FOR. FOR HOW MANY? WE'LL DISCUSS FOR EIGHT.

WHAT'S YOUR LIMIT? EIGHT. WHAT'S YOUR LIMIT? I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION BUT I WOULD SAY EIGHT.

EIGHT. AND HE'S A FARMER. WHO'S THE FARMER? OH MY GOODNESS.

OKAY. YOU GOT HE'S GOT CONSENSUS. HE'S GOT THREE.

ARE YOU FOR VOTE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A STRONG THREE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. THEY THEY THEY TELL ME IT'S GETTING LATE.

IT'S GETTING LATE. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT I JUST FOR THE RECORD, THIS COULD GO SOUTH REAL QUICK.

JUST WANT, WANT TO SAY THAT. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN MY, MY OTHER ITEM IS. OKAY. LOOK, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT UP MY CONCERNS WITH THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS.

IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. I'M NOT REHASHING THAT.

HOWEVER I DO JUST WANT TO BRING UP THAT IT WAS.

I COULD ALMOST TELL YOU EXACTLY THE DAY THEY WERE ACTIVATED BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT OF TEXTS AND EMAILS I GOT COMPLAINING, BUT SOME OF THEM WERE WERE GENUINELY AND I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD JUST BE PEOPLE.

BUT I GOT AN ABNORMAL AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS SAYING, HEY, I WASN'T EVEN ON THIS ROAD.

I WASN'T EVEN DRIVING AT THIS TIME. I GOT, YOU KNOW, HIT FOR A SCHOOL ZONE.

FINE. BUT IT WAS OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL ZONE HOURS.

SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP AND SEE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO BE LOOKING INTO MORE ACCURACY IN THESE.

IT IS A NEW PRODUCT THAT JUST GOT ROLLED OUT.

BUT I DID GET AN ABNORMAL AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GETTING TICKETED.

YOU KNOW, AND TO BE TRANSPARENT, I HAD A A VETERAN BROTHER OF MINE CONTACTED ME ABOUT HIM GETTING CITED.

BUT HE DID ADMIT IT WAS HIS FAULT. AND I'LL I'LL SHARE HOW THE CONVERSATION WENT.

HE WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND HIS WIFE WAS RIGHT NEXT TO HIM, AND THEY WERE GOING TO GO VERIFY IF IT WAS INDEED A POSTED, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL ZONE. AND SHE GOES, SEE, THERE IT IS.

THE SIGNS RIGHT THERE. SO I'M JUST SAYING IT WORKED FINE ON THE TWO INSTANCES THAT I, THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFICULTIES WITH THEM.

CHIEF, YOU WANT TO COME UP FOR A SECOND? COMES JUST IN CASE YOU WEREN'T LISTENING.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YES.

ARE THESE ACCURATE? CITATIONS OR SO? JUST A FEW THINGS.

SO I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE SIX OF THE LOCATIONS HAVE GONE LIVE.

YOU KNOW, A MONTH AGO, THEY WERE LIVE, BUT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WARNINGS WERE ISSUED FOR 30 DAYS, NOT CITATIONS. BACK IN JULY OF 2024, WE DID A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT VIDEO TO THE CITY ADVERTISING AND LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THIS WAS COMING PRIOR TO THE WARNING PHASE. LAST MONTH WE DID ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.

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TO PUT IT OUT THERE AGAIN, TO JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE OUT THERE.

SO THESE ARE SIX LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO THE PROCESS IS IS THAT IT COMES THROUGH THE COMPANY.

THE COMPANY SENDS OUR TRAFFIC SECTION, OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION, THE VIOLATIONS THAT THERE THE CAMERAS ARE PICKING UP AND THEN OUR TRAFFIC SECTION VETS TO ENSURE THAT YES, THERE'S A VIOLATION OR THERE'S NO VIOLATION.

SO I'M NOT SAYING NEVER. I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S SAYING I WAS NEVER IN THAT AREA AND I GOT A TICKET FROM THE RED SEA CAMERA.

THAT'S THAT SEEMS PRETTY ODD TO ME. BUT THEY'RE LPRS AND THEIR RADAR DETECTED INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE CALIBRATED.

SO IN ORDER TO GET A CITATION THROUGH THIS SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SCHOOL ZONE.

WHAT A LOT OF MISCONCEPTION IS FROM OUR THAT COULD BE OUT THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN PUTTING SAW OUT, IS THAT IT ISN'T JUST FROM SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO EIGHT IN THE MORNING WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHTS ARE FLASHING.

IT'S THROUGH THE ENTIRE DAY OF SCHOOL. IF SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, IT'S FROM 7 TO 4.

SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHEN IT'S A 2015 OR 20 MILE AN HOUR.

WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHTS ARE FLASHING, YOU STILL HAVE A 11 MILE AN HOUR BUFFER.

SO ONCE THAT PASSES AND IT'S 30 OR 40 MILES AN HOUR DEPENDING ON THE AREA OF THE CITY WHERE THE WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS, YOU HAVE 11 MILE AN HOUR BUFFER. SO YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU GO 12 MILES OVER YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOU'RE GOING TO COPY THAT.

IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO GET NOTIFIED. IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO ALERT THE COMPANY.

THE COMPANY THEN SENDS US THE VIDEO TO ENSURE AND TO VERIFY.

AND THEN WE VERIFY OR REJECT IT. AND THEN THE CITATION IS ISSUED TO THE MAIL.

THANK YOU SIR I APPRECIATE THAT. DOES THAT SATISFY ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS SIR.

YEAH. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WHAT'S YOUR NEXT ITEM, SIR? I'M GOOD. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. OKAY. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO TOUCH ON WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT THAT GOT ADDRESSED. ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS THANK YOU TO TO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR A SUCCESSFUL FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE. HEARD HEARD. IT WAS A BLAST, AND EVERYTHING TURNED OUT GREAT.

I WANTED TO SHED LIGHT ON PARRSBORO. I APPARENTLY THERE WAS SOME SOME WORK DONE THERE, AND IT'S JUST DIRT, AND IT'S BEEN DIRT FOR A WHILE, SO I'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, WHERE IT MEETS BARTON AND THEN WHERE IT GOES ON TO THE OTHER AREA.

APPARENTLY THERE WAS SOME WORK DONE THERE AND THE ASPHALT WAS TORN UP, AND IT'S JUST BEEN BEEN JUST DIRT FOR A WHILE.

MR. MORGAN. WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. OKAY.

YEAH. OKAY. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON.

WE HAVE FOOTBALL SEASON COMING UP FOR FOR PALM BAY YOUTH.

AND WITH US ADDING 400 PLUS PEOPLE TO PORT MALABAR.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT CROSS THE STREET TO GO TO THAT GAS STATION BACK AND FORTH.

I WAS GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS POSSIBLY SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THAT'S LIT THERE.

ESPECIALLY DURING FOOTBALL SEASON, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEM KIDS JUST RUN ACROSS THE STREET TO THE GAS STATION OR TO THE FAMILY DOLLAR THAT'S THERE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE FOOTBALL SEASON STARTS, BECAUSE RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME, THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE DONE. FOOTBALL SEASON STARTS IN JULY AUGUST, SO IF WE CAN AT LEAST ASSESS IT.

I DID, I DID REQUEST THE THE TRAFFIC STUDY FROM WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING OR WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY APPROVED THE APARTMENTS. AND IT IS IT IT'S WITHIN THE STANDARDS FOR THE CAPACITY OF PORT MALABAR, BUT IT STILL SHOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO BY THERE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE ONLY YOU GOT A THUMBS UP FROM ME THAT THAT SAFETY RELATED.

AND AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT'S AN ACTIVE FOOTBALL FIELD.

OKAY. AND THAT IS AN AREA I AM FAMILIAR WITH.

WE I ASKED THE POLICE CHIEF TO EARLIER TO TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SAME REQUEST.

WE'RE ACTIVE USERS OF THE PARK OR DASHING ACROSS MID-BLOCK.

AND WE HAVE A CROSSWALK NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE.

SO HAVING A TRAFFIC ENGINEER LOOK AT MAYBE POTENTIALLY RELOCATING THAT TO A MORE USED AREA RATHER THAN HAVE TWO MID-BLOCK SO CLOSE. I THINK THE REASON WHY THE OTHER ONE IS CLOSE BY IS THERE'S A BUS STOP THERE, BUT I THINK THE OBSERVATION IS CORRECT. THERE'S MANY MORE, PARTICULARLY TEENS DASHING ACROSS TO GO TO THE STORE.

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AND PERHAPS IT'S A RELOCATION OF AN EXISTING MID-BLOCK CROSSING.

MIGHT BE MIGHT. AGAIN WE WANT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO LOOK AT THIS.

YEAH. BECAUSE WE WANT THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR THAT AREA.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS THE THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE RIGHT DURING FOOTBALL SEASON.

EXACTLY. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY SATURDAY IT'S IT'S NO PARKING.

THEY'RE PARKING UP AND DOWN THE ROADS. THEY'RE PARKING DOWN THE STREETS.

AND I MEAN, THERE'S KIDS EVERYWHERE. SO IF WE CAN BRING THAT UP AT SOME POINT.

YEAH, WE GOT THE THUMBS UP FROM I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD OBSERVATION.

AND WE WILL BE ON THAT. THANK YOU. AND OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I'M APPOINTING DAVID CARAFA TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND ALFRED JARRY TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. I'M REAPPOINTING TOM GAUME TO TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. AND I'M.

AND I'M REAPPOINTING RENEE WARNER TO PNC AGAIN.

RENEE WARNER TO PNC. MR. MORGAN, ANY ADDITIONAL REPORTS? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE SHORT ONES. I DID WANT TO GET BACK, AND I KNOW IT WAS MANY HOURS AGO,

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS:]

SO THERE ARE A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT APPLICATION.

A A REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. ALL HEADED FOR THAT PROPERTY MARCH 5TH TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IN MARCH 20TH TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S FOR A PROPOSED GREEN RECYCLING USE. AND SO THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE 36 ACRES. BUT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE PROPERTY IN THE REAR IS WETLANDS.

IT WOULD BE PROPOSED. SO THAT WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SO PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE COUNCIL WILL HEAR THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHEN YOU TAKE, YOU KNOW, TESTIMONY AND, AND MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.

BUT IN FAIRNESS TO, TO MR. BATTEN AND THE QUESTION HE ASKED, I THOUGHT WE'D DISCLOSE THAT.

WE KNOW. AND THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE PENDING. THANK YOU.

SECOND ITEM IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH. SO APPLICATIONS CLOSE A WEEK FROM TOMORROW.

THEN THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY MARCH THE 7TH. THE SEVENTH TWO RETIRED CITY MANAGERS FROM OUT OF THE AREA WILL BE GOING THROUGH ALL THE APPLICATIONS AND PUTTING THEM INTO THREE PILES TO HELP YOU.

SO IT WILL BE A HIGHLY RECOMMENDED GROUP AND A RECOMMENDED GROUP, AND THEN OTHERS, NOT SO MUCH.

AND WE WILL BE GETTING TO THOSE TO YOU THAT AFTERNOON, MARCH 7TH, SO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO START LOOKING AT THOSE AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE ON MARCH THE 20TH, WE'LL BE ASKING YOU IN THE OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETING TO INVITE FINALISTS FINALIST FOR INTERVIEWS, WHICH WILL BE ON MARCH THE 29TH.

BUT IF YOU ALL COME PREPARED WITH, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5, SIX OF THE ONES THAT YOU THINK MOST, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONGST YOURSELVES ON THAT MARCH 20TH MEETING.

I SUSPECT YOU'LL PROBABLY COME TO CONSENSUS ON SEVERAL OF THEM, AND THEN WE'LL KNOW WHO TO INVITE.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY CAN COME HERE ON THE THE 29TH FOR THE ORAL INTERVIEW.

SO THE HOMEWORK IN THAT WINDOW OF TEN DAYS OR SO WILL BE IMPORTANT.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO GIVE YOU AN ADVANCE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL HAVE SOME ADVICE FROM SOME RETIRED MANAGERS.

BUT IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU WANT TO SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME.

YOU'LL HAVE ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY WANT TO SPEND MORE OF YOUR TIME REVIEWING THOSE AND THEN BEING PREPARED AT THE MARCH 20TH MEETING TO TO DISCUSS AMONG YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE OPEN AND PUBLIC SESSION.

AND THEN THE YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THE THE INTERVIEWS.

THAT'S SATURDAY ON THE THE 29TH OF MARCH BUT THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

RIGHT. THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND IT'S A REGULAR, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL MEETING, I SHOULD SAY REGULAR.

IT IS A SPECIAL MEETING. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CANDIDATES AND YOU HAVE YOUR INTERVIEWS AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN NARROW IT DOWN TO A SINGLE PREFERRED APPLICANT.

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SO HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE HAVE UP TO NOW 70S, 80S IT'S A LOT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M SORT OF GETTING YOU PREPARED FOR A FAIR AMOUNT OF HOMEWORK.

NOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT HALF OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE IN THE 90S.

SO YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW ARE IN THE QUALIFIED AND EVEN FEWER IN THE HIGHLY QUALIFIED.

BUT BUT THAT, I THINK, IS THE SERVICE THAT THE RETIRED MANAGERS WILL BE GIVING IS TO HELP YOU FOCUS YOUR YOUR EFFORTS AS YOU GO THROUGH A LARGE VOLUME OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COVER LETTER, IT'S A RESUME.

IT'S OUR CITY APPLICATION. YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY BIG VOLUME OF MATERIALS FROM THAT MANY APPLICATIONS.

SO JUST SORT OF GIVING YOU A HEADS UP THAT THERE'S SOME, SOME HOMEWORK AHEAD THAT, THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEND SOME TIME.

BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY THE RETIRED CITY MANAGER GROUPS COULD HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, FOCUS YOUR EFFORTS IN THAT HOMEWORK TIME PERIOD ON THOSE THAT THAT APPEAR TO THEM TO BE THE MOST POTENTIALLY INTERESTING FOR THE COUNCIL TO INVITE TO INTERVIEW COPY.

THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT, SIR? YES, SIR. MADAM SMITH. YES, MAYOR, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL PURSUANT TO SECTION 286 .011, SUBSECTION EIGHT FLORIDA STATUTES I NEED TO SEEK YOUR ADVICE CONCERNING THE FOLLOWING LITIGATION MATTERS.

PETERSON VERSUS CITY OF PALM BAY. 624 CV 02250 AND MCINTYRE VERSUS CITY OF PALM BAY, ET AL. CASE NUMBER 624 CV 00988. I'VE COORDINATED A TIME WHEN COUNSEL WAS AVAILABLE, WHICH IS. THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 27TH, 2025 AT 7:30 P.M.

OR IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE SCHEDULED WORKSHOP.

THE MEETING SHALL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 60 MINUTES.

ATTENDANCE WILL BE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER SCOTT MORGAN, CITY ATTORNEY PATRICIA SMITH, AND DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY ERIC MESSENGER. THANK YOU MA'AM.

AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

THANKS FOR ANSWERING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.