Apr 03, 2025 Council Meetings - Regular

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I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. 2025 DASH 11 TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER:]

ARE YOU HERE, SIR? MR. FIGUEROA. SO THE INVOCATION WILL BE LED BY PASTOR MARK MILLER OF VICTORY CHRIST CHURCH. AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE GIVEN BY OUR DEPUTY MAYOR.

PLEASE RISE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.

AND I JUST THANK YOU FOR THIS AWESOME AND BEAUTIFUL DAY.

I THANK YOU FOR THIS NEWFOUND ENERGY, LORD, THAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN PALM BAY.

AND WE JUST PRAY FOR YOUR WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND DISCERNMENT, YOUR ANOINTING AND FAVOR AND BLESSING TO CONTINUE TO BE POURED OUT UPON THIS CITY.

FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO BLESS. AND AS WE BEGIN AND PREPARE TO RECEIVE OUR NEW CITY MANAGER.

FATHER, HELP US TO BE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS HERE TONIGHT.

LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM OF THIS GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

FATHER, BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO SERVE FAITHFULLY THROUGH THIS CITY AS EMPLOYEES AND FOR ALL THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE.

WE GIVE YOU THE GLORY FOR ALL THINGS. IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. LET'S SETTLE DOWN, PLEASE. WE'VE JUST.

CALLED THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MISS LEFLER, LOEFFLER, ROLL CALL.

MAYOR. MEDINA. PRESENT. DEPUTY MAYOR. JAFFEE.

PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN.

HAMMER. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. LANGEVIN. PRESENT.

MR. MORGAN. HERE. MISS SMITH. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]

ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN HOME BUILDING OR FOR PRIVATE, FOR PROFIT PROVIDER POSITIONS.

ANYONE WISHING TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS CAN APPLY ONLINE AT PALM BAY FLORIDA.ORG OR CONTACT THE CITY CLERK AT 9523414.

THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON TO AGENDA REVISIONS, MR.

[AGENDA REVISIONS:]

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDATION WHICH MET LAST NIGHT FOR KIKU, 25 00001, HAS BEEN ADDED TO ITEM FOUR UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS IN WHICH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THAT CONDITIONAL USE.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR. YES, WE ADDED THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDATION FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS SINCE THEY JUST MET LAST NIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS ITEM ONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS BEING WITHDRAWN AT THE REQUEST OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND WE WILL TRY TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS WE CAN SO THAT NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISS SMITH, ANY ANY AGENDA REVISIONS? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANYTHING? YEAH. I HAVE AN AGENDA. REVISION. YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER FOUR FROM.

FROM THE AGENDA. BUSINESS. NEW BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDMENT TO SECTION 174 .005.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH.

LIKE TO MAKE DISCUSSION ON THIS. YOU KNOW, I READ THE MINUTES FROM FROM COUNCIL PAST, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT INFINUM.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING THAT MOTION. YES, SIR.

AND I SECOND IT BECAUSE THE MORE DETAILS THAT YOU GO BACK AND.

AND WHEN THIS PROPOSAL FOR DISCUSSION CAME UP, I LOOKED AT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON BECAUSE I WAS IN I WAS IN THE AUDIENCE AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS ON THE DAIS AND I AS I SAID BEFORE, I THOUGHT A SWEET SPOT WAS FOR.

SO THAT'S WHY I SECONDED THAT MOTION. SO RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

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I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AND WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT WHEN IT COMES UP ON THE AGENDA.

AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T SUPPORT IT, YOU CAN VOTE NO. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN.

I BROUGHT I DON'T OWN CHICKENS. THIS ISN'T A PERSONAL VENDETTA FOR MINE.

THIS WAS BECAUSE CONSTITUENTS IN OUR CITY, RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY, BROUGHT THE CONCERN TO ME.

AND I WOULD FEEL IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT LIKE THIS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT PROCESS.

SO RIGHT NOW I'M ARGUING FOR THE PROCESS, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT THROUGH TO THE END AND ALLOW THOSE WHO WANT TO SPEAK, TO SPEAK. AND THEN IF THE COUNCIL STILL FEELS THAT WAY, THEY CAN VOTE.

NO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBERS? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SAY WITH EGGS, THE PRICE OF EGGS.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. WELL, THE PRICE OF EGGS HAVE GONE DRASTICALLY DOWN IN FOR FOR CHICKENS CAN PRODUCE 3 TO 4 EGGS PER DAY. SO THAT'S OVER A DOZEN. IF YOU HAVE FOUR.

FOUR CHICKENS. YEAH. JUST LIKE I HAVE A FURTHER COMMENT.

YOU KNOW THAT THIS ITEM AS DISCUSSION. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A VOTE ON IT TONIGHT ANYWAYS.

AND IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE IT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL ANYWAYS.

SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A LONG CONVERSATION AND NOT TAKING ANY ACTION ON IT TONIGHT.

I CONCUR. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION GENTLEMEN? ALL RIGHT. SO I'M CALLING THE QUESTION. IT'S TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR FROM THE AGENDA.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE, AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. ROLL CALL.

MISS TERESE. DEPUTY MAYOR. JAFFEE. AYE. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON A COUNCILMAN HAMMER NEI COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN NEI MAYOR MEDINA I PASSES THREE TWO.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OFF THE AGENDA. SO NOW WE'RE ON PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]

SO. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. YOU KNOW THIS THIS WE CREATED THE CITY OF PALM BAY, CREATED A MAYOR'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT PROGRAM TO HIGHLIGHT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO INCREASE NOT ONLY THEIR SALES, BUT THEIR AWARENESS AND THEM DOING BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND TODAY, WE RECOGNIZE JAMROCK GRILL AS THE BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT WINNER OF THE OF THE QUARTER.

SO GIVE IT UP TO JAMROCK GRILL. AND CHILL. COME ON OVER HERE.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THE MAYOR LOVES JERK CHICKEN AND I AM A FREQUENT CUSTOMER AT JAMROCK.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS I DID NOT VOTE. THIS WAS DEFINITELY AN IMPARTIAL PROCESS.

AND SHE WAS SELECTED OR JAMROCK WAS SELECTED WITHOUT MY INPUT.

WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL IS RECOGNIZED AS THE MAYOR'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT PROGRAM RECIPIENT FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2025.

AND WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL LOCATED ON 160 MALABAR ROAD.

Y'ALL LISTENING? 160 MALABAR ROAD, SUITE 117 HAS BEEN FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED ESTABLISHED BUSINESS HERE IN PALM BAY SINCE 2020. WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL IS LOCALLY OWNED JAMAICAN RESTAURANT CATERING TO ALL RESIDENTS SEEKING AUTHENTICALLY MADE BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER RECIPES FROM THE CARIBBEAN.

IS THAT RIGHT? WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL HAS SHOWN BUSINESS GROWTH SINCE OPENING IN 2020.

THEY HAVE NOT ONLY GROWN THEIR ANNUAL SALES AND CUSTOMER BASE, BUT HAVE HAD TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF TO SUPPORT THIS GROWTH.

NETTING SEVEN NEW JOBS SINCE THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.

YOU KNOW THAT IS CRITICAL FOR JOB CREATION IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'M SO PROUD OF THAT.

YOU'RE GIVEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHERS TO COME WORK AND PUT FOOD ON THEIR PLATES.

AND CARIBBEAN FOOD TOO. WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL IS A SERVANT TO THE COMMUNITY BY THEIR GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENSHIP.

THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS BREVARD CARIBBEAN AMERICAN SPORTS AND CULTURE ASSOCIATION.

SUPPORTING AND SPREADING NOT ONLY CARIBBEAN FLAVORS, BUT ALSO CULTURE AND DIVERSITY.

AND WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL MAINTAINS HIGH RATINGS ACCESS THROUGH THROUGH VARIOUS PLATFORMS SUCH AS GOOGLE,

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WHEREAS JAMROCK GRILL IS INNOVATIVE THROUGH THEIR PROMOTIONAL EVENTS BY HOSTING LOCAL MUSIC ARTISTS, MYSTERY DINNER THEATER, COMEDY SHOWS AND POETRIES.

THEREFORE, I, ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WHICH I SAY IS THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, HEREBY RECOGNIZE THAT JAMROCK GRILL IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY'S RECIPIENT FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE YEAR 2025 FOR THE MAYOR'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT PROGRAM, I SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS THIRD DAY OF APRIL, 2025. CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM. COME ON OVER AND SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR CULTURE AND YOUR RESTAURANT.

COME ON, GIVE IT UP FOR YOURSELF. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I AM TRULY HONORED. I AM TRULY BLESSED TO BE STANDING HERE RIGHT NOW.

SO AND I'M NOT THE MIC PERSON MY HUSBAND USUALLY IS.

IT'S MY HUSBAND MYSELF THAT OWN AND OPERATE JAMROCK GRILL.

MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HELPED ME ALL ALONG THE WAY.

SO AND NOW THEY'VE GRADUATED PAST JAMROCK AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN THING, SO I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THEM.

JAMROCK IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE THE THE MOVIE THEATER ACROSS THE STREET.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT OUR OUR JERK CHICKEN AND OUR JERK PORK AND OUR OXTAIL IS THE BEST IN THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. I'M NOT GOING TO CLAIM IT MYSELF, BUT YES, WE'RE OVER THERE.

WE'RE DOING OUR THING, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST, AND AND WE LOVE IT.

WE HAVE OUR WOMEN'S GROUP, WHICH IS HERE. OUR WOMEN'S NETWORKING GROUP CAME TO SUPPORT ME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, LADIES, FOR COMING. AND WE HAVE EVENTS OVER THERE THAT WE THAT WE DO WEEKEND EVENTS.

WE HAVE A BAR ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. SO WE PLAY MUSIC AND WE JUST HAVE A GOOD TIME OVER THERE AT JAMROCK.

SO PLEASE COME THROUGH. AND IF I IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BUSINESS CARDS, I HAVE THEM.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE. YES. GET YOUR TEAM UP.

GET THE FAMILY UP HERE SO WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE.

CAN WE ALL COME UP? ALL MY CREW, MY CREW, MY CREW.

COME ON, COME ON, COME ON, COME ON UP. I'M SORRY.

WHERE'S YOUR HUSBAND? HE'S GOT YOUR BACK. WE GOT YOUR BACK.

COME ON. YOU KNOW, LET'S ALL ACT LIKE WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT SHOES ON THERE. THAT'S YOU, BABY. PUT IT RIGHT IN HERE.

BRING THE FOOD TO HIM. PUT THIS UP. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HER.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT. AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT WHERE WE WENT.

THIS IS MY POINT. READY? ONE. TWO. THREE ZERO. ONE. TWO. THREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL.

THAT'S HOW I PASS THE SWEAT. YEAH. THAT'S HOW.

THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. LIKE T.D. JAKES.

THAT'S HOW BISHOP CLARK SWEAT, TOO. I'LL GO GRAB YOU ONE.

THANKS, BUDDY. IT WOULDN'T LOOK GOOD TO ME. IT'S.

KIM OK'S HERE. HEY, KIM, COME ON UP. I DIDN'T SEE YOU, BUD.

SO IT IS PUPPY DAYS, AND THIS IS A LITTLE EARLY.

IT'S FOR MAY 23RD THROUGH 26. COME ON OVER HERE.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

WHEREAS THE ANNUAL DISTRIBUTION OF POPPIES BY THE CHARLES F THOMAS, THE FOURTH AMERICAN LEGION AUXILIARY UNIT 117 HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED AND ENDORSED BY THE GOVERNMENT LEADERS BY GOVERNMENT LEADERS.

WHEREAS THE POPPY BECAME A SYMBOL OF THE SACRIFICE OF LIVES IN WAR AND REPRESENTED THE HOPE THAT NONE HAD DIED IN VAIN.

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SO I COULD SHOW THIS. WHEREAS POPPIES ARE ASSEMBLED BY DISABLED VETERANS AND THE PROCEEDS OF THIS WORTHY FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN ARE USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF DISABLED AND IN NEED VETERANS AND THE WIDOWS AND ORPHANS OF DECEASED VETERANS.

AND WHEREAS MEETING AND THE CONTINUING NEEDS OF OUR VETERANS SHOULD BE THE CONCERN OF EVERY AMERICAN WHO VALUES HIS OR HER FREEDOM.

THE AUXILIARY PROMOTES THE POPPY AS A SYMBOL OF THE SACRIFICES OF OUR MILITARY THAT THEY'VE MADE, AND A SYMBOL TO OPEN PEOPLE'S HEART AND INSPIRE THEM TO DONATE.

WHEREAS ALL CITIZENS ARE ENCOURAGED TO RECOGNIZE THE MERITS OF THIS CAUSE BY CONTINUOUSLY AND GENEROUSLY DONATING TO ITS SUPPORT AND ACCEPTING POPPIES DURING THESE DAYS, SET ASIDE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF THIS SYMBOL TO HONOR EVERY SERVICE MEMBER WHO HAS DIED IN THE NAME OF LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY WHILE SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT FOR LIVING VETERANS, SERVICE MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. NOW, THEREFORE, I, ROBERT MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 23RD THROUGH MAY 26TH AS POPPY DAYS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL OUR CITIZENS TO WEAR A POPPY AS MUTE AS MUTE.

EVIDENCE OF A GRATITUDE TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS NATION WHO HAVE RISKED THEIR LIVES IN DEFENSE OF OUR FREEDOMS, IN WHICH WE CONTINUE TO ENJOY AS AMERICAN CITIZENS.

IN WITNESS HEREOF, I SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY THIS THIRD DAY OF APRIL, 2023. CONGRATULATIONS, KIM. GO AHEAD AND SHARE A FEW WORDS.

THANK YOU. THE RED POPPY IS A POWERFUL SYMBOL OF REMEMBRANCE AND SUPPORT FOR VETERANS, REPRESENTING THE SACRIFICES OF THOSE WHO SERVED AND DIED, PARTICULARLY DURING WORLD WAR ONE, AND CONTINUES TO BE WORN AS A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR THE ARMED FORCES COMMUNITY.

CONNECTING THE VISUAL IMAGE OF THE POPPY WITH THE SACRIFICE OF SERVICE MADE BY OUR VETERANS HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT GOAL OF THE AMERICAN LEGION AUXILIARY POPPY PROGRAM SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 1921. ON MEMORIAL DAY AND VETERANS DAY, MILLIONS OF RED POPPY PAPER POPPIES ARE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN EXCHANGE FOR DONATIONS THAT GO DIRECTLY TO ASSIST DISABLED AND HOSPITALIZED VETERANS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

POPPY DAY IS CELEBRATED IN COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD.

THE AMERICAN LEGION FAMILY BROUGHT NATIONAL POPPY DAY TO THE UNITED STATES BY ASKING CONGRESS TO DESIGNATE THE FRIDAY BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY AS NATIONAL POPPY DAY.

ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY, WE WEAR A RED POPPY TO HONOR THE FALLEN AND SUPPORT THE LIVING WHO HAVE WORN OUR NATION'S UNIFORM.

THE AUXILIARY PROMOTES THE POPPY AS A SYMBOL OF THE SACRIFICES OF OUR MILITARY, HAVE MADE A SYMBOL TO OPEN PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND INSPIRE THEM TO DONATE.

AND THIS WAS THE INSPIRATION WRITTEN BY. DURING FIRST WORLD WAR BY A CANADIAN PHYSICIAN, LIEUTENANT COLONEL JOHN MCCRAE.

IN FLANDERS FIELDS, THE POPPIES BLOW BETWEEN THE CROSSES, ROW ON ROW THAT MARK OUR PLACE.

AND IN THE SKY THE LARKS STILL BRAVELY SINGING.

FLY A SACRIFICE HEARD AMID THE GUNS BELOW. WE ARE THE DEAD.

SHORT DAYS AGO WE LIVED, FELT DAWN. SAW SUNSET GLOW.

LOVED AND WERE LOVED. AND NOW WE LIE IN FLANDERS FIELDS.

TAKE UP OUR QUARREL WITH THE FOE. TO YOU. FROM FAILING HANDS WE THROW THE TORCH.

BE YOURS TO HOLD IT HIGH. IF YE BREAK FAITH WITH US WHO DIE.

WE SHALL NOT SLEEP. THOUGH POPPIES GROW IN FLANDERS FIELDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I KNOW I'M STILL HERE. THANK YOU.

KIM. SO WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED. THIS WON'T STAY HERE.

THAT'S FOR YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED BECAUSE THE MONTH OF APRIL IS THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WHEREAS THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAS CONSISTENTLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE VITAL ROLE OF MILITARY CHILDREN AND OUR YOUTH.

AND WHEREAS THESE RESILIENT YOUNG INDIVIDUALS DEMONSTRATE AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT, ADAPTABILITY, ADAPTABILITY, COURAGE IN THE FACE OF UNIQUE CHALLENGES.

WHEREAS MILITARY CHILDREN CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF OUR MILITARY FAMILIES AND OUR COMMUNITIES.

WHEREAS THEIR SACRIFICES OFTEN GO UNNOTICED, YET THEY PLAY AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE MISSION OF THE MILITARY.

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NOW, THEREFORE, I, ROBERT MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY TO SET OFF, IS DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 2025 AS THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND URGE ALL OUR CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE CONTRIBUTION OF MILITARY CHILDREN, OUR YOUTH, AND COMMIT TO PROVIDING THEM WITH QUALITY CARE AND POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT.

THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD CALLS UPON INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, CHURCHES, CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO OBSERVE THE MONTH WITH APPROPRIATE PROGRAMS, CEREMONIES, AND ACTIVITIES AS A WAY TO BRING THE MISSION AND VISION, AND REALIZING THAT OUR MILITARY CHILDREN PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE IN OUR NATION'S FREEDOM AND WITNESS HEREOF. I SET MY HAND ON THE THIRD DAY OF APRIL, THIS 2025 AND PROCLAIM IT MILITARY CHILD DAY. DAE KIM SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MILITARY CHALLENGE.

MAY I BRING UP OUR MILITARY CHILD? YEAH. BRING HIM ON UP.

AND HIS MOTHER? YES. AND HE IS ALSO OUR POPPY AMBASSADOR FOR THE FOR THE JUNIORS.

WHAT IS IT, SCOTT? SCOTT. NASH. SCOTT. NASH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GIVE IT UP FOR SCOTT.

HIS. HIS FATHER IS CURRENTLY AWAY AT DRILL AS WELL.

HE'S AWAY AT DRILL. OKAY. EACH YEAR, APRIL IS SET ASIDE AS A MILITARY CHILD APPRECIATION MONTH, OFFICIALLY KNOWN AS THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD.

WITH ITS CREATION IN THE MID 1980S, THE PENTAGON AND OTHER MILITARY SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS AND AGENCIES USED THE MONTH TO RECOGNIZE MILITARY KIDS FOR THEIR SACRIFICE AND BRAVERY.

ON THE HOME FRONT, PURPLE UP FOR MILITARY KIDS IS A CAMPAIGN DURING THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO WEAR PURPLE TO SHOW SUPPORT AND THANK MILITARY CHILDREN FOR THEIR STRENGTH.

PURPLE HAS BEEN CHOSEN TO REPRESENT ALL SERVICE BRANCHES.

ACTIVE DUTY, RESERVE, NATIONAL GUARD AND VETERANS.

IT BLENDS EACH BRANCH'S COLORS THE AIR FORCE, NAVY, SPACE FORCE, AND COAST GUARD'S BLUES.

THE ARMY'S GREEN AND THE MARINES RED. WEARING PURPLE SYMBOLIZES UNITY FOR MILITARY CHILDREN ACROSS ALL THE SERVICES, AND IT'S A REMINDER THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTED AND SEEN.

THANK YOU. AND YOU MAY TURN PURPLE. WHAT A COINCIDENCE I KNOW, RIGHT? COME ON OVER HERE AND TAKE A PICTURE. OKAY. COME ON OVER.

NO. LET'S HOLD THIS TOGETHER. HOLD ONE UP.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU BUDDY. HEY, SCOTT. I GOT A CHARACTER COMING UP HERE SOON.

YOU MIGHT LIKE HIM. SO I'M GOING TO CALL UP DESHAUN DAVIS WITH PALM BAY UTILITIES.

COME ON UP. COME ON DESHAUN. OH LOOK AT YOU. I THINK SCOTT'S GOING TO LIKE YOU SCOTT CHECK THIS GUY OUT. SO APRIL IS WATER CONSERVATION MONTH. IS THIS ALL THE UTILITIES EMPLOYEES WE GOT HERE TODAY.

THEY'RE BUSY WORKING. OH. COPY THAT SIR. GOOD ANSWER.

GLORY TO GOD. GOOD ANSWER. AWESOME. APRIL IS WATER CONSERVATION MONTH.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WHEREAS WATER IS A BASIC AND ESSENTIAL NEED OF EVERY LIVING CREATURE.

WHEREAS CLEAN, SAFE AND RELIABLE WATER RESOURCES AND SUPPLIES ARE VITAL TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY'S ECONOMY, ENVIRONMENT AND ITS PEOPLE. AND WHEREAS, THE STATE OF FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO INCREASE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF WATER CONSERVATION. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FLORIDA HAVE DESIGNATED APRIL TYPICALLY A DRY MONTH WHEN WATER DEMANDS ARE MOST ACUTE AS WATER CONSERVATION MONTH TO EDUCATE CITIZENS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN HELP SAVE FLORIDA'S PRECIOUS WATER RESOURCES.

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EVERY BUSINESS, INDUSTRY, SCHOOL AND CITIZEN CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSERVING WATER.

AND WHEREAS THE PALM BAY UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO SETTING A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR ITS CITIZENS REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION AND HAS ALWAYS ENCOURAGED AND SUPPORTED WATER CONSERVATION THROUGH VARIOUS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND SPECIAL EVENTS.

WHEREAS LEAK PREVENTION IS COMMONLY THOUGHT TO BE THE FIRST STEP IN CONSERVING WATER, THE PALM BAY UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL ENCOURAGE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES TO EVALUATE THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS FOR POTENTIAL EFFICIENCY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL 2025 25 AS WATER CONSERVATION MONTH AND CALL UPON EACH CITIZEN AND BUSINESS OF PALM BAY FOR THIS, THE 27TH YEAR OF WATER CONSERVATION MONTH.

TO HELP PROTECT OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE BY PRACTICING WATER SAVING MEASURES, CHECKING FOR LEAKS, AND BECOMING MORE AWARE OF THE NEED TO SAVE WATER.

I THEREFORE HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS THIRD DAY OF APRIL.

2025. SIR, COME ON UP AND TELL US MORE ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION.

I'D LOVE TO. THANK YOU. WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, SIR.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS NOT DESHAUN DAVIS.

SHE'S UNFORTUNATELY FALLEN ILL, SO I'M STEPPING IN ON HER BEHALF.

MY NAME IS GLENN ANDRE, AND I'M THE COMPLIANCE SPECIALIST FOR THE CITY OF PALM BEACH UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE AT THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, MR. BOB SPRINKLE INCLUDED, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE FOR RECOGNIZING APRIL AS WATER CONSERVATION MONTH.

THROUGHOUT APRIL, THE CITY WILL BE SHARING WEEKLY SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS WITH VALUABLE TIPS ON HOW TO CONSERVE WATER.

AND WE'D LIKE TO KICK OFF WATER CONSERVATION MONTH BY HONORING THE LOCAL WINNERS OF THE ANNUAL JOB SAVERS POSTER CONTEST HELD BY THE FLORIDA SECTION OF THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION. IN EARLY MARCH, THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT RECEIVED COUNTLESS CREATIVE POSTER SUBMISSIONS FROM LOCAL STUDENTS PROMOTING WATER CONSERVATION.

AFTER A CAREFUL REVIEW, WE SELECTED WINNERS FROM EACH AGE GROUP AND SUBMITTED THEIR ARTWORK TO THE FSA TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF PALM BAY TALENTED STUDENTS.

TONIGHT, WE ARE PROUD TO RECOGNIZE THREE INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO RAISING AWARENESS FOR WATER CONSERVATION.

EACH WINNER WILL RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT, AS WELL AS A GIFT BAG CONTAINING AN AMAZON GIFT CARD AND SOME CONSERVATION RELATED ITEMS. UP FIRST, OUR DIVISION TWO WINNER TAYLOR PEA FROM ODYSSEY CHARTER SCHOOL.

CONGRATULATIONS, TAYLOR. YOUR CERTIFICATE AND A GIFT CARD. OH, LOOK AT YOU, TAYLOR. WAY TO GO.

NEXT UP IS OUR DIVISION THREE WINNER, MELISSA, A ALSO FROM ODYSSEY CHARTER SCHOOL.

CONGRATULATIONS, MELISSA. YOUR CERTIFICATE AND YOU'RE BACK. WAY TO GO, MELISSA.

AND FINALLY, WE HAVE OUR DIVISION FIVE WINNER, ADELIZ P FROM PALM BAY MAGNET HIGH SCHOOL.

CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. AT LEAST. YOU ARE IN THE BAG FOR YOU AS WELL. THEIR ARTWORK WILL BE DISPLAYED IN OUR CUSTOMER CARE OFFICES HERE AT CITY HALL THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, AND WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO STOP BY AND ADMIRE THEIR INCREDIBLE WORK.

CONGRATULATIONS ONCE AGAIN TO OUR WINNERS. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION TO THIS GREAT CAUSE.

AND HAPPY WATER CONSERVATION MONTH. YEA YEA YEA YEA YEA YEA. YEA YEA. WAIT I CAN COME OVER HERE. HOW ABOUT THIS BOB? YOU WANT TO COME OVER HERE? FINALLY THEY FOUND A GUY WITH A BIGGER HEAD THAN ME. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU GOTTA HELP ME OUT. CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH.

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SO WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC COMMENTS. DEPUTY MAYOR LANCE FISHER.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

RETIRED. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU. I THANK YOU ON SATURDAY FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO SACRIFICE PARK.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MEMORIAL TO TO HONOR THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES. THEY SERVE FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. I I'VE PUT A FEW PICTURES UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S THE TOWER RIGHT THERE LEADING TO THE SKY.

THAT'S A MONUMENT TO THE CITIZENS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES ON APRIL THE 23RD, 1987.

THERE'S THE WALL WITH THE OFFICERS THAT ARE HONORED.

AND THERE'S THE THREE FROM PALM BAY MAYOR, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE FENCE ON MANY ISSUES.

I JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR MAKING A SACRIFICE PARK HAPPEN.

PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE NEXT PORTION OF THIS SPEECH AS BEING DIRECTED TO YOU. IT'S DIRECTED DIRECTLY TO CHIEF OF JAIL AND HIS COMMAND STAFF. ON AUGUST 29TH, 2021, SERGEANT FRANK TOVAR DIED FROM COMPLICATIONS FROM COVID IN THE LINE OF DUTY WHILE SUPERVISING POLICE EXPLORER ACADEMY.

I'M EMBARRASSED THAT CHIEF ARGUELLO FAILED TO ENSURE THAT FRANK TOVAR WOULD BE HONORED BY THE VERY CITY THAT GAVE HIS LIFE THAT HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR.

OFFICER DOWN HAS RECOGNIZED HIS DEATH AS IN THE LINE OF DUTY THEY HAVE HIM POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE.

HE'S BEEN HONORED IN TITUSVILLE, THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL WALL AND THE TITUSVILLE OFFICER HALL OF FAME.

HE'S MEMORIALIZED IN WASHINGTON, D.C., ON THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL WALL. HIS NAME IS ON THEIR WEBSITE.

IT SADDENS ME THAT CHIEF ANGELO MADE NO EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT FRANK WAS HONORED AT THE OPENING CEREMONY AT SACRIFICE PARK.

I'M EMBARRASSED THAT HIS FAMILY WAS NEVER CONTACTED TO ATTEND THE CELEBRATION.

EMBARRASSED THAT HIS FAMILY HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THE CITY AND AND COMMAND STAFF FAILED FRANK TOVAR.

CHIEF NELSON MOYA IMMEDIATELY MADE IT CLEAR TO CITY STAFF THAT HE WAS LABELING FRANK'S DEATH AS IN THE LINE OF DUTY, AND ENSURED THAT FRANK WOULD BE HONORED AS SUCH.

CHIEF MOYA FOUGHT HARD TO GET HIS NAME MEMORIALIZED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

THE ONLY PUSHBACK WAS FROM THE VERY CITY THAT FRANK DIED SERVING.

PATRICIA SMITH'S OFFICE FOUGHT FRANK'S FAMILY AND DENIED HIM THE VERY BENEFITS HE DESERVED.

HER OFFICE IS COMMITTED TO FIGHTING TO DENY EMPLOYEES BENEFITS, REFUSING TO RECOGNIZE THEIR SERVICE AND FAILURE.

FRANK HAS BEEN HONORED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY BUT FORGOTTEN BY HIS VERY OWN CITY.

EPIC FAILURE. CHIEF ANGELO AND HIS COMMAND STAFF.

FAILURE TO SUPPORT HIS COMMUNITY AND THEIR OFFICERS.

BUT WE SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED. REMEMBER WHEN CHIEF AJELLO SAID, BUY A PELLET GUN TO HIS DEPUTY CHIEF AND SHOOT CHILDREN ONE BY ONE? REMEMBER, AS CHIEF AJELLO WAS PISSED OFF WHEN ONE OF HIS CITIZENS WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIFE ON A STRETCHER.

REMEMBER, CHIEF AJELLO BELIEVES THAT HIS OFFICERS ARE YAHOOS THAT ARE ON A MEDICAL EVE IN HIS IN HIS COMMAND STAFF'S EYES.

FRANK TOBER WAS A YAHOO CHIEF'S WORDS, NOT MINE.

SO I AM EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT I DID MY VERY FIRST PODCAST AND FOR MY UPCOMING TOUR, ONE HOUR AND 30 MINUTES WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED, WHERE I CAN BE OPEN AND CANDID ABOUT HOW CHIEF OF HIS COMMAND STAFF AND CITY STAFF FAILED MY FAMILY AND I AFTER 21 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE.

IT WILL AIR APRIL THE 9TH. IT IS UNFILTERED, HONEST AND A DIRECT ACCOUNT OF HOW LIKE FRANK TOBER, I TOO WAS ABANDONED. YOU CAN FOLLOW COPEVILLE ON YOUTUBE, SPOTIFY AND WHEREVER ELSE PODCASTS GO.

AND I ASK YOU TO LIKE, DISLIKE, AND HELP ME MAKE CHIEF JOE AND HIS COMMAND STAFF INFAMOUS THROUGHOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY.

CHANGE IS COMING. THANK YOU. MARK MILLER.

THEY WANT TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. MARK MILLER, 898 NELSON AVENUE ON SATURDAY.

ON SATURDAY. CITY MANAGER INTERVIEW. MEETING.

I MISSPOKE. I MADE A STATEMENT THAT I HAD HIRED MORE THAN A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES, BUT I MISSPOKE.

I HIRED OVER 400 EMPLOYEES, BUT INTERVIEWED WAY MORE THAN A THOUSAND.

THAT MAY SEEM TOTALLY INSIGNIFICANT, BUT SINCE I MADE AN ERROR ON PUBLIC RECORD, I WANTED TO COME BACK ON PUBLIC RECORD AND CORRECT MY MISSPEAKING.

RIGHT. MY ERROR. GREAT JOB WITH THE PROCESS FOR CITY MANAGER.

REALLY PROUD OF THE TEAM HERE. MATT MORTON, THE NEW CITY MANAGER.

DURING HIS INTERVIEW, HE ASKED FOR THREE THINGS.

IF WE WANT HIM TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND MAKE AN IMPACT, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL OF THE CITY LEADERS TO SET THEM UP FOR SUCCESS. YOU KNOW HE'S COMING. HAVE YOUR DATA READY.

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FINANCES. GIVE THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY AND SET THEM UP TO WIN.

BECAUSE WHEN HE WINS, WE ALL WIN. THE THREE THINGS HE ASKED FOR WAS NUMBER ONE, A PRIORITIZED LIST OF THINGS TO ATTACK IN HIS FIRST 90 DAYS.

THE SECOND THING HE ASKED FOR WAS TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF INDUSTRY THAT WE WANT TO BRING TO PALM BAY.

PERSONALLY, WE HAVE ENOUGH CAR WASH AND DOLLAR GENERAL AND FAST FOOD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A KRISPY KREME.

ALL RIGHT, BUT WE NEED SOME MACHINE SHOPS. WE NEED SOME COMPOSITE SHOPS, SOME ASSEMBLY SHOPS, CABLE HARNESS SHOPS. YOU KNOW, IN MY 25 YEARS IN AEROSPACE, YOU KNOW, I SPENT TENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA WHEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT THOSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PLACES RIGHT HERE.

HE ALSO ASKED FOR NUMBER THREE. HE ASKED FOR A CITY COUNCIL THAT WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITIZENS AND THE LONG TERM VISION FOR THIS CITY THAN ABOUT POLITICAL CAREERS AND REELECTION CAMPAIGNS. AND I ADMIRE HIM FOR THE BOLDNESS OF THAT STATEMENT DURING AN INITIAL INTERVIEW.

RIGHT. AND WE, THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY, DESIRE THE SAME THING.

CITY LEADERS PUTTING THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY FIRST.

AND I PRAY THAT YOU HAVE THINGS READY FOR HIM WHEN HE ARRIVES.

WE HAVE A SALT AND LIGHT COUNCIL AT OUR CHURCH.

IT ENCOURAGES CHRISTIANS TO GET PLUGGED IN. IT'S SALT AND LIGHT COUNCIL.

IT'S A NATIONAL EVENT. WE HAD OUR MEETING THIS WEEK IN THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES WE CAME UP WITH FOR PALM BAY WAS NUMBER ONE, AN ACCELERATED AND DETAILED ROAD PLAN WITH SCHEDULE AND FINANCIAL IMPACT JUST TO CATCH UP TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

WHAT I'VE READ AND SEEN WERE 15 TO 20 YEARS BEHIND AND THAT'S TO WHERE WE ARE ALREADY APPROVED.

NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS.

NUMBER TWO. SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER CONTRACTS WITH PERFORMANCE BONDS, INCREASED IMPACT FEES AND ACCOUNTABILITIES BECAUSE WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY UNFINISHED PROJECTS, TOO MANY TERMS AND CONDITIONS NOT MET.

AND HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS DO WE APPROVE ALL THE TIME? AND THE THIRD THING WITH 13 SECONDS IS TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNITY INPUT.

IF NO ONE SHOWS, WE'LL SHAME ON THE COMMUNITY.

BUT TO QUOTE FROM HEBREWS, NEVER GROW WEARY OF DOING THE RIGHT THING.

IN DUE TIME, IT WILL PAY ITS REWARD. GIVE THE CITIZENS TIME TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU, BILL BATTEN. THREE MINUTES. I'LL GET THE OTHER THREE ANYONE.

I GOTTA TALK FAST. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS. THE FIRST ONE WAS JUST TALKED ABOUT VERY WELL.

AND THAT WAS A NEW CITY MANAGER. RIGHT. ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT.

IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DIRECT THEM IN THE DESIRES OF THE CITY.

YOU CAN'T BE CONSTANTLY BLAMING THE CITY MANAGER WHEN THE CITY MANAGER IS TAKING DIRECTION FROM MY CITY COUNCIL.

YET FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN COMING HERE, IT'S ALWAYS THE CITY MANAGER CAUSED THE FAILURE WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WAS WORKING FOR YOU.

SO REMEMBER, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GUIDING THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE PROGRESSION THAT WE WANT THE CITY TO GO.

SO ULTIMATELY, THE RESPONSIBILITY WILL FALL BACK ON YOU IF IT IS A FAILURE.

ITEM NUMBER TWO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS AWARD FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES OUTSOURCING OF SERVICING. IT'S A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR IT, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE RIGHTS THAT WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM US TO MAKE YOU DISCUSS IT IN THE PUBLIC.

BUT DON'T WE HAVE THE SKILLS IN OUR FLEET SERVICES TO DO THIS? BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY OUTSIDE SERVICES A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION A YEAR TO SERVICE OUR VEHICLES.

THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO SEE. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSED IN CHAMBERS, IF POSSIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND GOOD LUCK ON THIS NEW CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU. ROBERT STICE.

ROBERT SCHNEIDER, 1796 LYNBROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

BRIAN, WE'RE GOOD TO GO. MY TIME IS GOING AND I'M WAITING TO. CAN I GET A TOPIC OF THREE MINUTES HERE? ON NOVEMBER 5TH, I TOOK SOME PICTURES ON GARDEN BROOK.

THIS IS MY HOA HERE. HOW BAD IT WAS. THE DRIVER WAS WRITTEN UP FOR AN APA VIOLATION.

I WAS HOPING HE DIDN'T GET FIRED AND HE DID NOT.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH REGARD TO REPUBLICAN, THE OIL GOING OUT THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WORKED WITH STAFF HERE, AND THEN I WORKED WITH SCOTT MORGAN, THE CITY MANAGER.

I BEG YOUR PARDON, REPUBLIC MANAGER. AND LO AND BEHOLD, AS OF TWO DAYS AGO, WE GOT THE ENTIRE HOA RESURFACED WITH A POLYMER

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NOT THAT ONE. YEAH. THAT ONE. SO THAT'S THAT'S DOWN KIND OF WHERE I LIVE RIGHT NOW.

WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO. WHAT IMPRESSED ME ABOUT REPUBLIC.

AND I KNOW THEY GOT A LOT OF STATIC ABOUT THIS WORKING WITH SCOTT MORAN, WHO'S COACHING IN THE DRIVER.

WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER ON THIS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

I HAD HIS POSITION IN COLORADO, SO WE TALKED THE SAME LANGUAGE.

HE HAD PEOPLE OUT THERE FLAGGING. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEDGES, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND TO COORDINATE ONE PERSON COMING IN FROM THE BACK AND ONE PERSON GOING ON.

BUT HE WAS PROFESSIONAL. HE WAS A MAN OF HIS WORD.

HE I WAS IMPRESSED BY HOW HE MANAGED. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY TOOK A LOT OF GRIEF AND CERTAINLY I HIT HIM PRETTY HARD AT THE STAFF MEETING.

HE MADE IT RIGHT AND DID THE RIGHT THING. AND I WOULD ASK, GOING FORWARD, IF PEOPLE HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU GOT TO SEEK THIS OUT AND THIS GENTLEMAN WILL WORK WITH YOU.

THE OTHER THING ON HERE WHILE YOU HAVE THIS PHOTO THE OAK TREE ON THE RIGHT, I HAVE TWO OPEN LOTS BEHIND ME THAT ARE OWNED BY THE GOLF COURSE.

THE OAK TREE IS TOO LOW WITH THE WITH THE. I BEG YOUR PARDON? THE BRANCHES ARE TOO LOW WITH THE OAK TREE IS IF THE SIDEWALK IS EVEN THREE INCHES.

I'VE HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO GET CODE COMPLIANCE OUT THERE, BUT, I MEAN, THE ONLY DIRECTION I HAVE TO GO IS THAT I'M ABLE TO GO IS MAYBE SMALL CLAIMS COURT. CAN WE GET SOMEBODY IN CODE COMPLIANCE TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THIS? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PREACHING SAFETY FOR THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS IN HERE.

SO THAT'S OUR TREE. THAT'S THE SIDEWALK. AND IT'S LIFTING, YOU KNOW.

SO WHO AT THE CITY CAN CAN HANDLE THIS? AGAIN, THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE.

SO WITH THAT LAST FEW SECONDS THAT I HAVE. AGAIN, THANK YOU, STAFF.

AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL. HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAJORS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

I JUST PRAY TO GOD THAT WE STAY WITH ONE ONE LOT PER FIVE ACRES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE.

PALM BAY. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. SANDRA PELHAM.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL, MAY I ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE MELBOURNE PALM BAY ALUMNAE CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA TO STAY? THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DOCTOR KENYATTA S WASHINGTON AND I'M THE SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MELBOURNE PALM BAY ALUMNAE CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INCORPORATED. IN THE ABSENCE OF OUR CHAPTER PRESIDENT MARCIA BENTLEY AND OUR ENTIRE CHAPTER, WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT AND OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE INITIATIVES.

SINCE OUR CHAPTER WAS CHARTERED IN 1989, MOST RECENTLY, WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROSITY IN HONORING OUR BELOVED DELTA DEARS DURING A RECENT CELEBRATION ON SATURDAY, MARCH 8TH, 2025.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KENNY JOHNSON, FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ATTEND OUR EVENT AND PRESENT A PROCLAMATION WHICH RECOGNIZED THE INVALUABLE LEGACY OF KNOWLEDGE, HISTORY, AND SERVICE EMBODIED BY THESE EXTRAORDINARY WOMEN.

DELTA DEARS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED MEMBERSHIP CATEGORY BASED ON AGE, HONORING MEMBERS OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY WHO ARE 62 YEARS OR OLDER, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE IT.

DEARS IS AN ACRONYM WHICH STANDS FOR DEDICATED, ENERGETIC, ACTIVE, RESPECTED SAURAUS.

THESE WOMEN PERSONIFY THE VALUES ESPOUSED BY OUR RENOWNED AUTHOR AND HONORARY DELTA MEMBER, NIKKI GIOVANNI, WHO FAMOUSLY STATED, WE PROVE THE HUMAN SPIRIT WILL PREVAIL.

WE WILL TAKE WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE WHAT WE NEED.

SO CITY OF PALM BAY. THANK YOU FOR PARTNERING WITH US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING SERVICE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONNOR JONES.

NEXT SPEAKER. YEAH.

THANK YOU. SO I'M GONNA PUT THIS BIT DOWN. SORRY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. TODAY, I STAND BEFORE YOU TO SOUND THE ALARM ON A PRESSING ISSUE THAT THREATENS NOT JUST OUR PRIVACY, BUT THE VERY FOUNDATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM, QUIETLY INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE PALM BAY MAY SEEM LIKE A TOOL FOR SAFETY, BUT IN REALITY, IT'S A STEP TOWARDS A FUTURE WHERE GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE OVERSHADOWS OUR FREEDOMS.

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BUT LET ME ASK YOU, SINCE WHEN DID SAFETY REQUIRE THE SACRIFICE OF LIBERTY? OUR FOUNDING FATHERS UNDERSTOOD THE DANGERS OF UNCHECKED GOVERNMENT POWER.

THAT'S WHY WHEN THEY WROTE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO PROTECT US FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, ENSURES THAT BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT CAN INVADE OUR PRIVACY, THERE MUST BE A PROBABLE CAUSE, A WARRANT, A OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. BUT WITH THE FLOCK CAMERAS, THOSE PRINCIPLES ARE IGNORED.

WE ARE ALL BEING WATCHED WITHOUT A CONSENT, WITHOUT A WARRANT, WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING HOW OUR DATA IS BEING USED.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING FOR OR AGAINST LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS ABOUT ENSURING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OPERATES WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE CONSTITUTION.

BECAUSE ONCE BECAUSE ONCE WE ALLOW WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE, WHERE DOES IT STOP? WHAT'S NEXT? KEEPING DATABASES OF OUR DAILY LIVES.

SOME MIGHT SAY IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR.

BUT PRIVACY IS NOT ABOUT HIDING. IT IS ABOUT HAVING CONTROL OVER OUR OWN LIVES.

AND IT IS ABOUT THE FREEDOM TO MOVE AS AN ASSOCIATE, TO EXIST WITHOUT BEING TREATED AS A SUSPECT.

IT IS ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT THE GOVERNMENT MUST JUSTIFY ITS INTRUSION TO OUR LIVES, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO I ASK OUR CITY LEADERS WHO IS WATCHING US AND WHO WATCHES THEM.

HOW LONG IS THIS DATA STORED? WHO HAS ACCESS? WHO ENSURES THAT IT ISN'T MISUSED? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW CAN WE TRUST THAT THIS WON'T EXPAND FURTHER? WE, THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY HAVE A CHOICE. WE CAN STAND BY AND LET OUR RIGHTS BE CHIPPED AWAY.

OR WE CAN RAISE OUR VOICES. DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.

WE MUST DEMAND TRANSPARENCY. WE MUST DEMAND SAFEGUARDS.

WE MUST DEMAND THAT OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS BE RESPECTED.

BECAUSE ONCE OUR FREEDOMS ARE TAKEN AWAY. THEY DO NOT COME BACK EASILY.

I ACT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. ALTHOUGH I FEEL LIKE NONE OF MY WORDS WERE ACTUALLY HEARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CONNOR. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. EDWARD STANYARD. GOOD JOB. NEXT.

SPEAKER. EDITOR. STANDARD. EDITOR. STANDARD. HELLO, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS EDWARD STANYARD. I RESIDE RIGHT NOW TEMPORARILY AT ONE, TWO, EIGHT ONE CONNECT ROAD NORTHEAST IN PALM BAY, FLORIDA. I WAS RECENTLY RELEASED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AFTER SERVING 36 MONTHS FOR ENTERING SAINT JOSEPH'S CATHOLIC CHURCH.

AFTER BEING INVITED IN THERE AND TOLD BY A POLICE OFFICER TO GO GET YOUR MONEY, THEY'RE GIVING YOU YOUR MONEY BACK.

FATHER JEREMIAH PAYNE GAINED ACCESS TO A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR ESTATE IN 2016, WHEN MY MOTHER WAS FOUND BRUTALLY BEATEN IN THE ELEVATOR OF THE HOSPITAL ON MALABAR ROAD. I REPORTED IT MULTIPLE TIMES. NOTHING HAPPENED.

OKAY. THE DEATH IS SUSPICIOUS. ALL RIGHT. IT'S A LONG TIME AGO.

IT WAS 2016. BUT MONEY DOESN'T EXPIRE. OKAY? MY MOM EXPIRED.

SHE WENT THROUGH A SIMPLE SURGERY, AND I SPOKE TO HER AN HOUR BEFORE I GOT TO THE HOSPITAL.

SHE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH ME WHEN I GOT TO THE HOSPITAL.

SHE WAS ON LIFE SUPPORT. THEY SHUT THE LIFE SUPPORT DOWN RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

I WATCHED MY MOTHER FLATLINE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WOUND UP GAINING POSSESSION OF MY ESTATE.

THAT WAS. IT WASN'T MY MOTHER'S MONEY. IT WAS.

IT WAS ANOTHER WOMAN'S MONEY. IT CAME FROM MANHATTAN, NEW YORK.

JEREMIAH PAYNE GAINED ACCESS TO IT. HE PLAYED PLAYED WITH ME.

HE PLAYED GAMES WITH ME. HE PUT IN JOKES. THEY ALL.

DEACON GARY HESTON. GENE RICHARDSON, THE OFFICE MANAGER, ROBERT APPLE, THE GROUND MAINTENANCE MAN, AND JEREMIAH PAYNE ALL PUT A JOKE ON ME. THEY KEPT BAITING ME AND LURING ME.

COME GET YOUR STUFF. AND I KEPT VIOLATING THE INJUNCTION.

2022. I WAS TOLD TO GO DOWN THERE BY HILDA BENEFIT, THE POLICE OFFICER.

I WALKED IN THERE. THEY THEY HUGGED ME. THEY GREETED ME.

THEY SHOOK MY HAND. AFTER THE MASS, I GOT ATTACKED BY FATHER JEREMIAH PAYNE.

HE ATTACKED ME. HE SPIT IN MY FACE. HE CALLED ME NAMES.

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HE DIALED 911. THE DISPATCHER HEARD ME. HE HAD IT ON SPEAKER.

SHE TOLD ME TO GO. I LEFT THREE DAYS LATER. I WAS ARRESTED ON THE BEACHSIDE.

I WASN'T HIDING, BUT I HAD TO HAVE A PLACE TO GET CLEAN.

SO I WENT TO THE BEACH SIDE. THEY CAME, I CALLED, I TOLD THEM WHERE I WAS, THEY CAME OUT AND PICKED ME UP.

HERE I AM 34 MONTHS LATER. I WAS RELEASED FEBRUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR AFTER I WAS IN FLORIDA STATE PRISON WATCHING INMATES STAB EACH OTHER FOR VIOLATION OF INJUNCTION. AFTER THEY STOLE ALL MY MONEY, THEY STILL HAVE MY MONEY.

OKAY. IT WAS TO THE AMOUNT OF AROUND $10 MILLION THAT WAS LEFT WITH ME FROM A WOMAN FROM NEW YORK.

SLEEPY HOLLOW, NEW YORK. THIS TYPE OF MONEY DIDN'T COME FROM PALM BAY.

THEY SAID ALL KINDS OF NOTICES OUT TO THE PRISON TELLING ME TO COME ON DOWN.

WE GOT YOUR MONEY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE. I'M HERE NOW.

IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS. I GOT AN EVICTION NOTICE YESTERDAY.

I HAVE SEVERAL DAYS TO COME UP WITH RENT MONEY.

THEY GOT MY MONEY DOWN THERE. SAINT JOSEPH'S CATHOLIC CHURCH AND A TON OF DOCUMENTS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WANT TO TELL HIM SORRY FOR HIS LOSS.

IS YOUR A STORY FOR THAT TRAIL? JUST PLEASE. JUST.

I'M READY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. FOLEY TRAIL 805 DOCKSIDE DRIVE. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR THE VETTING PROCESS FOR THE NEW MANAGER.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TOGETHER TO MAKE A COLLECTIVE AND INFORMED CHOICE OF THE BEST CANDIDATES.

THAT'S GOING TO SERVE PALM BAY FOR THE GOOD OF ALL.

SECONDLY, I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID ABOUT LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND ALSO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S BUDGET AND RESOURCES ARE GOING TO BE EFFECTIVELY MANAGE. AND ALSO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO LOCAL ISSUES BEING ADDRESSED.

SECONDLY, AS A NEW RESIDENT OF PALM BAY, I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE SOME UNDEVELOPED AREAS IN PALM BAY.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMPOUND AND THE STALLED PROJECTS BY D 32 INVEST.

AND SOMEONE I THINK PASTOR MARK HAD MENTIONED ABOUT USING BOND IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WHEN WE APPROVE THESE PROJECTS, AND I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE LOOK INTO USING BONDS TO PROTECT THESE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE APPROVING. SO IN THE INTEREST THAT PALM BAY WILL BE LOOKED AFTER SHOULD IN CASE THESE DEVELOPERS THEY DEFAULT. WE ARE PROTECTED AS RESIDENTS.

AND AND ALSO I WANT TO ALSO REITERATE THE LIMITING OF OUTSOURCING AND TO USE THE RESOURCE THAT'S ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

PAT. PAT. DALPRA.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL AND STAFF. PAT DALPRA, 14 GEORGE'S AVENUE NORTHEAST.

I JUST WANT TO ADD TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID AS FAR AS THANKING YOU GUYS FOR MAKING A WISE DECISION ON SATURDAY.

I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT THERE'S A SCRIPTURE IN HABAKKUK CHAPTER TWO, VERSE THREE.

WRITE THE VISION DOWN AND MAKE IT PLAIN, SO THAT A HERALD MAY RUN WITH IT.

IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT BEING PATIENT AND WAITING FOR IT, AND TO TRUST GOD AND HIS PLANS.

AND HE'LL WORK IT OUT IN HIS DUE TIME, NOT OURS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY HAVE A CLEAR AND PRECISE, FOCUSED VISION.

NOW, YOU GUYS ALREADY PROBABLY HAVE IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE RELAYED TO US CLEARLY SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND THAT THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT IS AHEAD OF US. AND WE ARE HERE TO START AFRESH WITH OUR NEW CITY MANAGER.

THIS IS A TIME OF RENEWAL AND MOVING FORWARD.

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OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE. THAT INCLUDES OUR ROADS WATER, FIRE, POLICE.

OUR INTERSECTIONS ARE RIGHT OF WAYS. THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS AND BEAUTIFICATION.

I ALSO TALKED TO DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE OUR MONEY IS FOR SOME OF OUR COUNTY ROADS HERE IN PALM BAY.

AND SHE SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COUNTY ROADS.

I SAID, YES, WE DO. ANYWAY, SHE SAID, THERE'S NO MONEY COMING.

AND PART OF THE REASON, SHE EXPLAINED, WAS THE 3% CAP.

I ALSO ASKED ABOUT THE TAXES THAT GO TO THE RECREATION COUNTY RECREATION, WHY WHERE THAT MONEY IS? AND SHE SAID, WELL, I DON'T HAVE IT. SO ANYWAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE HER COME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND SHE'S GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO US. THERE'S APARTMENTS THAT ARE OFF OF PINEWOOD DRIVE OFF OF PALM BAY ROAD. I THINK LAST FALL OR LAST SUMMER PEOPLE CAME AND TALKED ABOUT THE APARTMENTS OVER THERE, SO I WAS OVER THERE ON TUESDAY. THOSE APARTMENTS ARE HORRENDOUS.

THEY'RE NOT DONE. ALL THE PAPER ON THE SIDING, IT'S ALL BLOWN OFF.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THE CITY AS FAR AS FOLLOWING UP ON ON THAT DEVELOPER.

AND ONE LAST THING. THERE WAS A STATEMENT I THINK OUR, THE NEW CITY MANAGER MADE IT STUCK WITH ME AND SAID A CITY SHOULD NOT BE SO FOCUSED ON NEW GROWTH THAT THEY FORGET ABOUT THE OLD AREAS OF THEIR CITY.

THANKS. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. SHARON JOHNSON.

MY NAME IS SHARON JOHNSON. I'M AT 725 ENGLE ANGLE STREET.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT ABOUT THE CHICKENS.

I HAVE THREE CHICKENS ONLY AND PROBABLY WILL NOT HAVE ANY MORE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT EGGS.

THEY ARE PETS TO US, AND CHICKENS DON'T START LAYING EGGS UNTIL THEY'RE 6 TO 9 MONTHS OLD.

THEN THEY ONLY LAY GOOD FOR ABOUT A YEAR. WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THEM? THEY'RE MY PETS. I'M NOT GOING TO GET RID OF THEM.

SO ONCE THEY CAN'T LAY ANYMORE, MAYBE I DO WANT ANOTHER CHICKEN OR TWO.

I JUST DON'T SEE ANY REASONABLE REASON THAT THERE HAS TO BE A LIMIT OF FOUR CHICKENS.

AND BESIDES THE EGGS AND BEING PETS, MY, I LOVE THEM.

MY GRANDCHILDREN LOVE THEM. THEY THEIR MANEUVER IS VERY GOOD FERTILIZER.

MY GARDEN HAS BEEN SO MUCH BETTER SINCE I'VE HAD THE CHICKENS, BECAUSE THEY EAT THE INSECTS THAT TRY TO EAT MY VEGETABLES.

THEY'RE JUST WONDERFUL BIRDS, AND I JUST DON'T SEE ANY LOGICAL REASON WHY THEY HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO FOUR.

SO I HOPE WE TAKE THIS UP AGAIN AND CONSIDER RAISING THE LIMIT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE 2 OR 3 DOGS I'VE LIVED NEXT TO IN PALM BAY THAT THEY PUT THEM OUTSIDE, THEY GO TO WORK, THEY BARK ALL DAY LONG. NOBODY DOES ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

CHICKENS ARE NOT CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS. SO AGAIN, I JUST DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR FOUR CHICKENS BEING A LIMIT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. KRISTEN LANSANA.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. KRISTEN LANSANA, NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THE FLOCK DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA.

IT'S NOT THE CONVERSATION I WAS HOPING TO HAVE TONIGHT, AND I AM STILL AWAITING THE RESPONSE ON WHEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FLOCK SAFETY LICENSE PLATE READERS, WHICH WERE VOTED ON BY THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE THE PUBLIC HAD ANY DETAILS ON THE PROGRAM.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PUBLIC CONVERSATION. BUT TONIGHT I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR FAMILIES WITH BACKYARD CHICKENS ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

ALTHOUGH YOU DECIDED THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WAS NOT WORTH LISTENING TO. NOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE NOT LOTS IN HOA COMMUNITIES.

THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH LONG STANDING RESIDENTS WHO HAVE WITNESSED THIS TRANSFORMATION FROM THE SLEEPY RURAL TOWN THAT THEY KNEW TO A BUSTLING CITY METROPOLIS.

IT'S CRITICAL TO CONSIDER THE HISTORY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WE DECIDE WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

CURRENTLY, RESIDENTS ON A HALF. SORRY, ON A QUARTER ACRE ARE ALLOWED JUST FOUR HENS.

WHILE THAT MIGHT SEEM REASONABLE AT FIRST, LET'S BREAK IT DOWN.

THE AVERAGE HEN LAYS ABOUT FIVE EGGS PER WEEK.

FIVE. NOT FOUR, 3 OR 4 PER DAY. ONE PER DAY. SO YOUR YOUR 3 TO 4 PER DAY WOULD BE MAYBE PER WEEK BECAUSE THEY DON'T LAY EVERY DAY EITHER.

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A FAMILY OF FIVE, LIKE MINE, WOULD NEED 70 EGGS A WEEK.

THE MATH DOESN'T MATH THERE. THAT LEAVES US SHORT AND FORCES US TO BUY EXTRA EGGS ON TOP OF THE COST OF TENDING TO OUR FLOCK.

NOT TO MENTION, THE STORE BOUGHT EGGS CAN BE NEARLY TWO MONTHS OLD BY THE TIME THEY GET TO YOUR KITCHEN. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FRESHLY LAID EGGS AND THE STORE BOUGHT EGGS ARE THE OVERALL TASTE. INCREASED HEALTH BENEFITS THANKS TO HIGHER NUTRITIONAL VALUE.

PLUS, IT'S A MORE HUMANE AND SUSTAINABLE WAY TO GET THIS DAILY ESSENTIAL FOOD STAPLE.

SPACE WISE, THE RECOMMENDED AREA FOR HUMANE CHICKEN KEEPING IS 2 TO 3FT² PER BIRD, PER COOP, AND THEN 3 TO 8, SORRY, 8 TO 10FT PER BIRD IN THEIR RUN.

THIS MEANS A STANDARD BACKYARD COULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE EASILY ACCOMMODATE FAR MORE THAN THE FOUR OR EVEN EIGHT PROPOSED BIRDS.

IN FACT, A 500 SQUARE FOOT AREA ABOUT THE SIZE OF A TWO CAR GARAGE COULD HOUSE 50 BIRDS SAFELY.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE WAY TOO MANY. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR 50 BIRDS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS POINTS OUT THE FACT THAT THIS ARBITRARY NUMBER IS NOT JUST THAT, IT'S AN ARBITRARY NUMBER THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CHOSEN. OPPONENTS TO RAISING THE LIMIT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE, SMELL, PESTS. HOWEVER, WELL MAINTAINED COOPS ARE NOT SMELLY.

HENS ARE MUCH QUIETER THAN DOGS, AS ALREADY STATED, AND BACKYARD FLOCKS DON'T ACTUALLY ATTRACT RODENTS.

IT'S OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG. INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING RESPONSIBLE CHICKEN KEEPERS, WE SHOULD CONSIDER COMMUNITY EDUCATION ON BEST PRACTICES TO HELP ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.

THAT WOULD GIVE FAMILIES THE FREEDOM TO STILL PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

AT THE HEART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS THE QUESTION WHY ARE WE REGULATING THIS AT ALL? IF THE LARGER CONCERN IS DISEASE AND NEGLECT, THEN THE RULES SHOULD REFLECT THAT. ENSURING HUMANE CONDITIONS RATHER THAN IMPOSING ARBITRARY LIMITS.

I URGE THE COUNCIL TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND CONSIDER THE BACKYARD CHICKENS.

GIVE THE PEOPLE THE FLOCK THEY WANT. AND LET'S NOT FORGET TO ALSO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ON THE LPR CAMERAS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SEAN OUBRE. SHAWN OUBRE.

JOY WALTON.

GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL TO EVERYONE. MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OTHERS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT.

THIS AFTERNOON I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE TELLING ME THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ABOUT ENACTING SOME SORT OF A NEW LAW, QUOTE UNQUOTE THAT WOULD ENABLE POLICE OFFICERS, SHERIFFS, ETC., TO ARBITRARILY PICK PEOPLE UP AND IF THEY FEEL THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY.

I'M WONDERING IF SOMEONE COULD ADDRESS THAT FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE SOME GREAT CONCERNS REGARDING THAT, SUCH AS WHAT CRITERIA WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MA'AM. AND YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WE DO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

SPECIFIC TO THAT. AND I'LL, I'LL HAVE ONE OF OUR STAFFERS GIVE YOU DIRECTION ON WHEN THAT COMES UP ON THE AGENDA.

BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU, YOU LIKE FOR THE NEXT TWO MINUTES, AND YOU COULD COME BACK FOR THAT ITEM.

I'LL COME BACK FOR THAT ITEM THEN. I THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YES, MA'AM. MA'AM, MAKE SURE YOU SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD FOR THAT.

FOR THAT ITEM. SHE'S SHE'S SHE'S GOING TO GET STAFF TO CHRISTINE FILIBERTO.

BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, ANYONE HERE FOR ITEM FOUR, WHICH WAS ABOUT THE THE THE DISCUSSION OVER CHICKENS AND THE LIMITS TO THEM AND THE COOPS. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT, WE REMOVED THAT ITEM, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN AFFORD YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

ANYWAY, WE JUST NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, IF THAT.

THAT IS YOU. WE DID REMOVE THAT FROM THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THAT DISCUSSION.

MA'AM, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. I'M SORRY. MISS. MISS.

I COULD PASS THAT ON. YEAH, YEAH. DON'T WORRY.

WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. YEAH, WE GET IT. YES, MA'AM.

MR. MORGAN. YES, MA'AM. HI. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

I HOPE EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS ABOUT THE LAGOON HOUSE AT THE GATEWAY TO PALM BAY, THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON HOUSE.

MY FATHER, TED MOREHEAD, APPROPRIATED ALL THE MONEY TO BUILD THAT HOUSE.

HE WORKED FOR TWO YEARS AS A VOLUNTEER, NEVER WAS PAID AND GOT THE MONEY AND THE LAND AND ALL THE APPROPRIATIONS TO PUT THE BUILDING UP.

IT'S THE GATEWAY INTO PALM BAY. AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT SITS SO FAR BACK THAT NOBODY REALLY SEES IT.

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AND THAT SIGN BLEW AWAY. SO MY FAMILY, IN HONOR OF MY FATHER, WHO PASSED AWAY DECEMBER 15TH OF 2024.

WE ARE HOPING THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY WOULD APPROVE THIS SIGN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO BE ON THE BUILDING AND LIT UP SO THAT NOT ONLY WOULD IT STAND OUT AND PEOPLE COULD SEE IT FROM THE ROAD, BUT THEY WOULD KNOW THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A LAGOON HOUSE AND IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL LEARNING CENTER. SO I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LOOK AT THIS SIGN AND APPROVE IT TO BE PUT UP ON THE LAGOON HOUSE. MA'AM? JUST.

I KNEW YOUR FATHER AND QUITE FOND OF YOUR FATHER.

THANK YOU. AND I'LL GO ON AND SAY THAT HE WAS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I'M A CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER BY DAY.

HE WAS ALSO A CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER, PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND HE WAS AN INSPIRATION TO THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

AND THAT LAGOON HOUSE IS RIGHTFULLY NAMED FOR YOUR FATHER'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

SO, I'M I'M REALLY I'M REALLY PROUD THAT YOU ACTUALLY PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE WAS A NAME ON THERE. THERE WAS A SIGN, BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

STAFF HAS GOT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TELL YOU.

WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AS WELL.

AND I WOULD BE WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I, I'D LIKE FOR OUR STAFF TO WORK TOWARDS THIS END.

OF COURSE, WE, WE SERVE ON COUNCIL, AND AND THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE.

BUT I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY FORWARD, BECAUSE IT IS A SHINING LIGHT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND IT HONORS THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND AND EVEN WAY BEFORE ANYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LAGOON AND PROTECTING IT.

IT WAS TED MOORHEAD. THANK YOU. THAT WAS TEACHING ALL OF US ABOUT.

YES. THE BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY THAT THERE IS AN INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

AND AND THE GOVERNOR JUST RECENTLY CAME DOWN AND DECLARED THAT $100 BILLION ARE GOING TO BE.

THAT WAS AMAZING. POURED INTO OUR, OUR OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

SO STAFF DOES HAVE THIS, MA'AM. AND, AND I'M ASKING STAFF TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, MA'AM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A SIGN THERE, SO LET'S SEE HOW WE COULD REPLACE IT.

YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW. THERE'S NO SIGN HONORING MY FATHER OR THE NAME OF THE LAGOON HOUSE.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION IN ALL THIS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES. HOLD ON. CAN I GET A I DON'T WANT TO.

I LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS ON ON THIS REGARDING MR. MOORHEAD, SINCE WE BROUGHT THIS UP. I'LL START ON THE THE LEFT HAND.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. YEAH. I MEAN I CERTAINLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT, AND I LIKE TO TO THINK THINGS OVER FIRST, YOU KNOW, SO.

BUT I CERTAINLY AM OKAY WITH STAFF LOOKING INTO IT.

AND THEN AND THEN EITHER I THINK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITH LIKE YOU JUST SAID, WE'RE GOING INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE.

SO I THINK MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT ADDING INTO THE BUDGET. BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO BRING IT UP SOONER, THEN I'M ALL FOR BRINGING IT UP AND DISCUSSING IT AT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. I DO KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE MOVING INTO THAT AREA, AND I BELIEVE THE ONLY OTHER PARK WE HAVE IN THAT AREA IS DRISCOLL PARK.

SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, SEEING WHAT IS AVAILABLE THERE.

AT LEAST, AT LEAST GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON THANK YOU MAYOR.

I'M IN SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY AS COUNCILMAN HAMMER WORDED IT, AS DOING DUE DILIGENCE.

I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE YOUNG MAN WHO SPOKE EARLIER.

WE DO HEAR YOU, SIR. I SPECIFICALLY WE ALL HEAR YOU, SIR.

I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY. I FEEL THE CELL PHONE IS SOMETHING MUCH MORE OF A TRACKING DEVICE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PASSING OF THE PATRIOT ACT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT, AS I FEEL THAT WAS A VIOLATION OF ME PERSONALLY OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.

BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER TOPIC. BUT KEEP IT UP.

I'M PROUD OF YOU, CHAMP. YOU MIGHT BE IN THIS SEAT OR THE MAYOR'S SEAT ONE DAY.

WHO KNOWS? OR SOMETHING EVEN HIGHER. BUT YOU GOT TO CALL IN ON YOUR LIFE.

SO KEEP KEEP YOUR FOOT ON OUR NECKS AND KEEP IT GOING.

YOU'RE WORKING FOR A GOOD CAUSE, SO WE'RE PROUD OF YOU.

SO THAT'S ALL, MAYOR. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR.

YEAH, I SUPPORT STAFF RESEARCHING THIS AND BRINGING IT BACK.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT SPEAKER. THAT CONCLUDES THE CARDS.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT. OH, AGAIN BEFORE BEFORE WE MOVE ON CONSENT.

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I WANT TO AFFORD YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND COME AND AND SPEAK AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE. THEN I'M MOVING ON TO CONSENT.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

I'LL SECOND THREE. I WANT TO PULL FOUR, FIVE AND SIX.

OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REMOVALS OF ITEMS THREE, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX. JUST SAY AGENDAS ONE AND TWO.

OH, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. I GOT A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND IT. I GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE AND TWO.

BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

CORRECT. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES. PASSES 4 TO 1. WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

CARRY ON. YES, MR. MAYOR, MEMBER CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE UPCOMING PROGRAM YEAR FOR OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.

AND THERE'S A ADVISORY BOARD THAT LOOKED AT THIS VERY CAREFULLY AND I THINK WE HAVE STAFF HERE THAT COULD PRESENT AS MAY BE NEEDED FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL MAKE THE INTRODUCTION AND LEAVE ANY DETAILS TO EBS CAMACHO, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE SUBMITTED REQUESTS FOR CDBG FUNDS ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.

SO AS A QUICK INTRODUCTION, THIS IS THIS IS THE ENTITLEMENT FUNDS THAT THE CITY RECEIVES ANNUALLY.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION OF THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS.

SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS WE TAKE THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR ENTITLEMENT AMOUNT AND WE APPLY THAT TO THE RFA THAT WE PUBLISHED.

SO 700 $776,641 WAS PUBLISHED. AND THE CITY RECEIVED.

APOLOGIES. SEVEN APPLICATIONS FOR FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WE ALSO RECEIVED, I BELIEVE IT WAS FIVE APPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND ONE JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS THE ONE YEAR ANNUAL ACTION PLAN OUT OF THE FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

SO WE'RE IN YEAR THREE. THE CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL ACTION PLAN IS FROM 2022 TO 2027.

WE'RE CURRENTLY THIS IS FOR 2526 PROGRAM YEAR CDBG.

YOU'LL NOTE IN YOUR PACKET THAT THERE IS A CHART THAT LISTS THE TABLE THAT LISTS HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE BROKEN OUT.

YOU HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES THAT COME OFF THE TOP 20% MAXIMUM BY HUD, AND THAT IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE HOUSING REHABILITATION, INSPECTION AND PROJECT DELIVERY COSTS THAT IS RELATED TO PROGRAM AND PROJECT DELIVERY AS IT RELATES TO WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE BEING ALLOCATED.

SO THAT IS THAT INCLUDES THINGS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE INSPECTORS GOING OUT TO DO A SCOPE OF WORK, INSPECTORS THAT ARE NOT LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STAFF WOULD INSPECT.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOING INTERIM INSPECTIONS ALONG THE PROJECT TIMELINE.

AND SO YOU TAKE THAT OFF AS WELL. THERE'S ANOTHER 15% THAT GETS ALLOCATED FOR PUBLIC SERVICES.

SO THOSE ARE YOUR NONPROFIT AGENCIES THAT SUBMIT APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE SERVICES.

AND THE FINAL BUCKET OF FUNDS, IF YOU WILL, ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT THE CITY MANY CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE APPLIED FOR.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE, WE'VE GOT PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCIES THAT ARE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL TO FUND, AND THAT INCLUDES CATHOLIC CHARITIES, CLUB, ESTEEM, GREATER MELBOURNE, POWELL.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE PALM BAY COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH ADMINISTERS BUS PASSES AND HAS SUCCESSFULLY DONE SO FOR TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

WE ALSO HAVE, IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, SOUTH BREVARD WOMEN'S CENTER AND THE.

FINAL LIST OF ITEMS ARE PUBLIC FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO VICTORIA PLAYGROUND, WHICH INCLUDES A SUN SHADE AND

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I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS OR THOSE PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCIES, WE HAVE THOSE REPRESENTATIVES AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MAYOR.

WHAT WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

AS TO WHAT SERVICES THEY PROVIDE? NO, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THEY? WHAT'S THEIR NAME? THE NAME IS CATHOLIC. THAT'S THE THAT'S THEIR NAME.

THAT'S THE NONPROFIT AGENCY. OKAY. THAT THAT'S THEIR NAME.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. THEY GO BY CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

IT IS A NONPROFIT, AND THEY PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES THAT THEY THAT ARE LISTED THERE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YES IT DOES. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO. YES, SIR. I SAW THE MELBOURNE PALS INCLUDED ON HERE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO SEE WAS PALM BAY HAVE OUR OWN PAL BACK. I SAW THAT WE WERE GIVING MONEY TO MELBOURNE'S PAL, BUT THEY'RE ONLY SERVING EIGHT KIDS FROM PALM BAY.

IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR AWAY OR. AND I WOULD ASK THAT THEY CORRECT ME WHEN THEY COME UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY OF THEM.

BUT THEIR APPLICATION IN THE PAST HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN.

THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE CDBG PROGRAM TO FUND, YOU KNOW, X NUMBER OF PALM BAY YOUTH.

AND THAT CALCULATION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS DIVIDED HOW MUCH IT COST PER YOUTH TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

AND THOSE DO HAVE TO BE PALM BAY RESIDENTS. AND THERE IS THAT MONITORING AND DOCUMENTATION THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE IN ORDER TO BE REIMBURSED.

CAN THIS GO TOWARDS PALM BAY CREATING A PAL LEAGUE? IF PALM BAY HAD A PAL PROGRAM, THEN THAT DEPARTMENT COULD REQUEST OR APPLY FOR FUNDING JUST LIKE THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

NOT NOW, JUST IN FUTURE USE. IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE IN MY HEAD.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. I'VE BEEN ON IT. MAYOR'S BEEN ON IT AS WELL.

NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN ON IT. BUT YOU? WELL, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE WE CARRY ON.

YEAH. OH, I'M. I WAS I WANTED TO TAKE YOU BRING YOU TO A POINT BECAUSE YOU SIT ON THAT BOARD FOR COUNCIL.

YES. SO WE FOR ME THE VALUE YOU SITTING THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BRING ON THIS DAIS, AND I WANTED TO AFFORD YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY NOT ONLY JUST TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE THE POWER THAT OUR COUNCILMAN HAMMER IS LOOKING TO TO CREATE HERE.

BUT MOREOVER, YOU'RE ON THE PROCESS. YOU'RE SITTING IN ON THESE MEETINGS AND AND WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED OVER TIME.

ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS AND I'M I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT IT WAS THERE WAS SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD ALWAYS APPLY AND YOU WANTED TO EXPAND THAT. YES, SIR. IN THE LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

SO I WANTED TO AFFORD YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE GIVE COUNSEL THIS COUNSEL HERE.

YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND WHAT WHERE YOU'VE COME FROM AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH THIS.

YES, SIR. AND I'M LOOKING AT CHIEF BECAUSE HE'S BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL.

IT'S REALLY BEEN JUST A NUMBERS THING. A NUMBERS THING WHEN IT COMES TO PALM BAY POWELL TALKING TO CHIEF ANGELO, CHIEF MOYA, EVEN CHIEF RANKINS. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS IT WAS HARD TO GET COPS COMMITTED TO THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME AND WE NEEDED THEM ON THE STREETS. IF I'M MISQUOTING OR IF I'M OFF ON THE MESSAGE, PLEASE FEEL FREE.

CHIEF. BUT IT'S REALLY IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO GET EVERYTHING GOING FOR THE PALM BAY POWELL OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS. NOT EVERY KID WANTS TO BE AN ATHLETE.

SOME OF THESE KIDS WANT STEAM OR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN EFFORT BY THE CITY, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IT'S MAYBE SOMEBODY LIKE CLUB ESTEEM WE CAN BRANCH OFF OF, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN BRAINSTORM SOMETHING, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE EVERYBODY CHIPPING IN ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT AND RUN WITH IT IS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT THIS MONEY WOULD ALLOCATE FOR, FOR INSTANCE, IT SAYS 63 OR $6400 WAS FOR EIGHT KIDS.

IS THERE A WAY TO DO THE BREAKDOWN AND SAY, WE HAVE 15 KIDS WE CAN SUPPORT AND ACTUALLY ACTUALLY PROMOTE THIS IS WE HAVE 15 KIDS WE CAN SPONSOR FOR POWELL IN MELBOURNE. BECAUSE IF THERE'S MONEY BEING LEFT ON THE TABLE HERE AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING FOR SOME KIDS.

I WOULD LIKE TO MARK IT A LITTLE BETTER AND GET SOME KIDS AND SOME PROGRAMS TO WHERE THEY CAN LEARN SOME FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS HERE.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK ON MY SIDE OF THINGS. HOW IT TYPICALLY GOES OUT.

WE HAVE A POT OF MONEY, AND EVERYBODY PUTS IN FOR WHAT THEY FEEL WILL BE THE BEST AND BIGGEST USE THEY CAN.

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SOMETIMES I'VE SEEN DOLLARS GO MORE TOWARDS STAFF INSTEAD OF THE PERSON, AND THAT'S MORE SO BEEN MY ISSUE OF IT.

I'M TRYING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN GET EACH DOLLAR TO GET TO THE END USER.

SO IT'S IT'S REALLY JUST TALKING TO THESE INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN TALKING TO OTHERS THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S SOME GREAT ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL RUN WITH THIS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE NONPROFITS THAT ARE FAITH BASED THAT CAN APPLY FOR THIS SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE LOVE INC CEDA AND OTHERS THAT CAN DO JUST THE SAME, IF NOT BETTER, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE, LITTLE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT.

FREEDOM OF RELIGION. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S HURTING PEOPLE. I FEEL IF IT WAS A WAY TO JUST OPEN IT UP FOR EVERYBODY, EVERY NONPROFIT, AND JUST LETTING PEOPLE PUT THE FIRST BID OR PUT THE BEST BID IN, WE'LL SEE.

MUCH BETTER USE. SO IT'S I WILL TALK TO DENISE CARTER.

I'LL RECOMMEND TALKING TO DENISE CARTER. SHE WORKED WITH MELBOURNE CITY.

YEAH. CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR 30 YEARS. AND SHE HAS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND SPEAKING TO HER COUNCILMAN HAMER, AND SHE COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT ON HOW TO GO ABOUT THINGS IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH, I AGREE, DENISE CARTER IS A WEALTH OF RESOURCE.

SHE WAS ALSO A BREVARD COUNTY EMPLOYEE BEFORE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.

SO YEAH, SHE'S SHE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THAT.

BUT COUNCILMAN HAMMER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

BUT I WILL ALSO SAY I AM I AM DEAD SET ON GETTING POWELL BACK IN PALM BAY.

I DO KNOW THE IMPACT THAT IT HAD WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, AND A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP I, I THINK IT WAS AN IT WAS BEYOND VALUABLE. IT HELPS BUILD CHARACTER, GIVES KIDS SOMETHING TO DO OTHER THAN BE OUT IN THE STREETS.

AND AND IT'S SOMETHING I'M ADAMANTLY PASSIONATE ABOUT.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO SEE MOVING FORWARD. BUT I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS THIS TIME.

THAT'S THAT'S GOOD DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ON ON AT RISK YOUTH AND AND GIVING OUR YOUTH AN OPPORTUNITY.

BUT KEEP IN MIND WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE Y AS WELL AND THE BOYS CLUB SO THOSE THINGS CAN WORK TOGETHER.

SO BEING A FOOTBALL COACH FOR A LONG TIME, I KNOW A LOT OF THE HARD PART IS GETTING THE KIDS THERE.

KNOWING THIS IS IN MELBOURNE, I KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING PALM BAY PARTICIPATION.

WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE. WE HAD IT HERE. IT'D BE 100 TIMES BETTER.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, EIGHT KIDS THIS TIME IS.

YEAH, WELL, I. I LOVE YOUR HEART. COUNCILMAN HAMMER THAT THAT'S.

YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOUR HEART. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN. DEPUTY MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I'M GOOD. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR? NO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY? NO. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK, MAYOR.

OKAY. SO I HAVE A CONCERN WITH. WITH GIVING MONEY TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

MY CONCERN IS I'M LOOKING AT A REPORT FROM CONGRESS RIGHT NOW THAT LITERALLY STARTS WITH FROM THE LOCAL TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.

AMERICANS ARE PAYING A HEFTY PRICE FOR THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

AND IN A WAY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO HIDE THE TRUE COST OF THE BORDER CRISIS FROM THE PUBLIC.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE TOP CHARITIES THAT ARE ASSISTING US WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

THERE'S VIDEOS LEAKED OF THEM TRAINING PEOPLE HOW TO AVOID ICE.

SO THAT'S ALL FINE AND GOOD, BUT IT'S REALLY IRONIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE 287 G PROGRAM TONIGHT AND AT THE SAME TIME GIVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO AN AGENCY THAT'S SUPPORTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. SO I'M GOING TO BE A NO ON THAT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO AMEND IT AND POSSIBLY LOOK INTO OTHER CHARITIES THAT WE COULD GIVE THAT MONEY TO OR REALLOCATE THE MONEY TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS ON THE LIST. AND THAT'S A THAT'S A WORTHWHILE MISSION THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN AT THE TIME, RIGHT NOW, THIS WAS ALREADY PROVIDED FOR US, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING DIFFERENT SERVICES.

OUR AND I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF, THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED.

ARE THEY FOR IMMIGRATION SERVICES. WHAT SERVICES ARE THEY FOR? THEY'RE PROPOSING HOMELESS PREVENTION TO ASSIST LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS.

THANK YOU. SO, MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND THAT. HOWEVER, THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET THE MONEY FOR THE IMMIGRATION FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

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SO IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, WE'RE STILL ASSISTING THE SAME ORGANIZATION, WHETHER YOU'RE GIVING THEM FUNDS FOR THIS OR THAT, YOU'RE STILL GIVING THEM FUNDS FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BY SUPPORTING THEIR ORGANIZATION.

SO I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE IF WE CAN GIVE CONSENSUS TO STAFF SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.

BUT IF WE COULD JUST REMOVE THAT CHARITY FROM THE LIST AND REALLOCATE THE FUNDS.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME. I'LL HAVE TO RIGHT NOW.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO I HAVE TO REFER TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IF HE WANTS TO AMEND THAT, THAT MOTION NUMBER ONE. AND THEN, MOREOVER I NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF IN THAT PROCESS, CAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES JUST BE REMOVED FROM FROM THAT LIST AT THIS TIME? IF IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO I, I WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO REVIEW WHAT HAS JUST BEEN PULLED UP AND BROUGHT TO ME BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ON THAT.

BUT I DO I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILMAN IS COMING.

IT'S LIKE YOU GET MONEY FROM HERE, SO YOU CAN DO THE SERVICE OVER THERE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT, BUT WITH IT JUST BEING THROWN ON ME RIGHT NOW, I, I COULDN'T VOTE.

I WOULD RATHER TABLE IT BEFORE WE JUST TABLE THE WHOLE THING IF THAT'S THE CASE.

OKAY. SO WE CAN LOOK INTO IT MORE. OKAY. WOULD THAT JEOPARDIZE ANY OF THE CDBG? I KNOW WE HAVE TIME AND ISSUE. SO IS THAT CAN I CAN I HAVE STAFF'S INPUT ON THIS? IS THERE A PATH FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE OTHER AGENCIES EXCEPT FOR CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES. YEAH. YES, YES. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

I WASN'T ASKING FOR THE WHOLE THING TO BE REMOVED, BUT ONLY TABLE.

TABLE ON TABLE CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER OTHERS.

MA'AM, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOME SOME GROUND HERE.

I WOULD SUGGEST WE BRING UP OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AS FAR AS TIMING AND THE ACTUAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE BOUND BY.

OKAY. COME ON UP. BUT RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE SECOND WITHDRAWN DEPUTY MAYOR, DO YOU WITHDRAW THAT SECOND? YEAH. I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT, IF I MAY, BEFORE WE WITHDRAW.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, THE MEETING PACKETS ARE ISSUED TO US ABOUT A WEEK AND A DAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE MEETING. AND WE ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS.

AND I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED DURING THAT BRIEFING.

SO WE CAN ALL BE WELL PREPARED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THAT NOW.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M I'M WILLING TO REMOVE MY MOTION.

OKAY. SO I GOT A WITHDRAWAL AND AND I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO TABLE.

WAIT, DON'T DON'T AMEND ANYTHING. LET'S GET LET'S SEE WHAT WE'RE GO AHEAD.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THIS EVENING, BY THE WAY, HELLO, I'M EVIE CAMACHO, I'M ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH CDD.

THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS WHEN WE DO AN ACTION PLAN EVERY YEAR.

SO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE KDAB BOARD AND BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON PERFORMANCE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THE CURRENT YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEY ARE FOR 30 DAYS.

WE ARE IN THE FIRST ONE. THE REASON WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW IS FOR YOU TO SELECT AS A BODY WHICH ONES YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF AND THE KDAB IS GIVING YOU.

NOW THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND YAY OR NAY AND ALL OF THAT.

AND THAT'S FINE. WE CAN'T DO A SECOND HEARING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS FROM HUD AS OF YET.

ONCE WE GET THE FINAL NUMBERS FROM HUD, THEN WE DO A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.

NOW, ALL OF THIS IS ALSO ON A TIMELINE BECAUSE WE BELONG TO THE HOME CONSORTIUM, WHICH BREVARD COUNTY IS THE LEAD.

WE HAVE TO ALL SUBMIT OUR PACKETS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THERE IS A TIME THERE'S A TIMELINE. YOU'RE CORRECT.

BUT JUST BE MINDFUL THAT THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU HAVE TIME. BUT I WOULD BE REMINISCENT OR A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED IF YOU DECIDED TO TABLE IT.

NOW, CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM, THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT.

OKAY. WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO WITH WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID JUST CALL UP THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

REPRESENTATIVE, MA'AM? YES, SIR.

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I'M A CASE MANAGER WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES. I WORK HERE IN PALM BAY.

I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS DOING RENT, UTILITIES, BUDGETING, COUNSELING.

I DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH ILLEGALS OR IMMIGRANTS OR ALIENS.

I DO SEND THEM. IF ANYBODY COMES TO MY OFFICE OR WE GO TO THE COCOA OFFICE, I DO SEND THEM UP TO OUR ORLANDO OFFICE BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE AN IMMIGRATION OFFICE THERE. I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IMMIGRATION HERE IN PALM BAY.

I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY SINCE I STARTED, AND I HAVE MET EVERY DELIVERABLE THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND I HAVE SPENT MY GRANT MONEY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN TO US TO USE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY ONLY.

AND THOSE DELIVERABLES ARE WHAT? I HAVE THEM FROM 2022.

I GOTTA FIND MY PAPERWORK. THIS YEAR. RIGHT NOW, MY GRANT IS NOT UP UNTIL OCTOBER, RIGHT? AND I HAVE ALREADY MET MY DELIVERABLES, WHICH WAS 17 HOUSEHOLDS WITH RENT OR UTILITIES.

I'VE ACTUALLY WENT ABOVE THAT, AND I'VE USED ALL OF THE MONEY UP TO HELP THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

SO WHEN YOU SAY RENT AND UTILITIES, THEY ARE IN DIRE NEED.

THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET EVICTED OR WHAT? AND WHAT ARE THE OR THEIR WATER OR THEIR ELECTRIC HAS BEEN TURNED OFF OR IT WILL BE.

YES. AND WHAT IS THE CRITERIA TO GET THAT TYPE OF DELIVERABLE? THEY HAVE TO BE UNDER 80% INCOME. THEY HAVE TO BE LATE OR THEY HAVE TO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS AND THEY'RE MOVING INTO SOMEWHERE.

IN FACT, WE JUST WE JUST HAD THE CITY CALL US LAST WEEK, AND WE USED THE LAST OF OUR MONEY, AND WE TOOK OUR SECOND COLLECTION MONEY TO HELP ANOTHER RESIDENT MOVE INTO PALM BAY BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING EVICTED FROM WHERE THEY LIVED BECAUSE OF MOLD.

THEY COULDN'T LIVE THERE. THE THEY WERE TOLD THEY COULD NOT BE, THAT IT WAS INSPECTED AND THEY COULDN'T BE THERE.

SO WE TOOK THE LAST MONEY OF OUR CDBG AND WE TOOK OUR SECOND COLLECTION MONEY, WHICH IS GATHERED FROM ALL THE CHURCHES IN OUR DIOCESE.

AND IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN ALL OF OUR COUNTIES. WE HAVE NINE COUNTIES FOR THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF CENTRAL FLORIDA.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MAYOR. YES, SIR. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S YOUR ARCHDIOCESE? I'M SORRY. WHICH WHICH AFFILIATE ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH? NORMALLY THERE'S AN ARCHDIOCESE OF CENTRAL FLORIDA OR GALVESTON, CENTRAL FLORIDA.

ARCHDIOCESE. OKAY. SO THE ARCHDIOCESE OF CENTRAL FLORIDA HAS ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY SUPPORT AND THE IMMIGRATION AND THE MIGRATION STUFF.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS VERY NOBLE WORK, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, YOUR ARCHDIOCESE HAS ON THE WEBSITE THAT THEY DO THAT IT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU DO EXACTLY, BUT THE MONEYS GOING TO THAT ORGANIZATION AND I RESPECT THAT.

YOU USED THE LAST OF THE CBDG MONEY, BUT YOU'RE AN INCREDIBLY LARGE ORGANIZATION.

SO ARE THEY GOING TO SHUT YOU DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T RECEIVE OUR CBDG MONEY? OR WILL YOU GET MORE FUNDING FROM THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES? WE DON'T GET ANY MORE FUNDING THAT I KNOW OF FROM THE FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE.

WE DO A SECOND COLLECTION ONCE A YEAR, AND THERE'S A SEPARATE SECOND COLLECTION FOR THE IMMIGRATION THAT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH.

BUT FOR FAMILY STABILITY PROGRAM, OURS COMES IN NOVEMBER.

AND THE ONE THAT COMES FOR THE IMMIGRATION JUST HAPPENED LAST WEEKEND BECAUSE IT HAPPENED AT MY CHURCH.

SO I KNOW I CAN'T SPEAK OF IMMIGRATION. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE JUST HAD AN IN-SERVICE FOR A FULL DAY WHERE OUR CEO TALKED TO US AND TOLD US WHAT WE DO AS AN ORGANIZATION, BUT I COULD NOT TELL YOU THE WAY HE TELLS IT.

HE'S BECAUSE HE SAID, WE WILL NOT HELP SOMEONE THAT HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL, BUT WE DO HELP THE PERSON THAT CAME INTO THE COUNTRY LEGALLY, NOT ILLEGALLY. SO IN CENTRAL FLORIDA, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

OKAY. AND I RESPECT THAT. AND I THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, MY MIND HASN'T BEEN CHANGED, BUT I DO RESPECT WHAT YOU DO.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT IT TO US.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? OKAY, SO WE'VE HEARD A TIME CRUNCH TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THIS.

WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? I NEED A MOTION.

OKAY. SO CAN CAN WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE ITEMS AND AND AT LEAST PULL CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO LOOK AT FOR NEXT TIME, TABLE IT OR JUST OUTRIGHT NOT GO WITH IT. IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS FOR THAT? WELL, I THINK WHAT EVIE'S EXPLAINED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SECOND FINAL HEARING AND IT MAY SATISFY YOUR YOUR QUESTIONS AT THAT FINAL HEARING. YOU COULD ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, PULL IT THEN.

OR IF COUNCIL BUT RIGHT NOW TO MOVE FORWARD. WHAT WHAT I HEARD THIS IS WHAT I HEARD.

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SO I LIKE WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT THIS IS OUR TIME TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER HEARING FOR THE PUBLIC.

SO, DID I HEAR THAT WRONG? YEAH. THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING FOR THE PUBLIC.

SO IF I VOTE YES ON IT BECAUSE THERE'S A SECOND HEARING, IS IT A VOTE THAT WE CAN VOTE TO DETERMINE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO VOTE YES BECAUSE THERE'S A SECOND HEARING. BUT THEN WE FIND OUT AT THE SECOND HEARING, OH, THIS IS JUST FOR MORE INPUT.

AND WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THIS OR NO OR OR NOW WE'RE AT THE SECOND HEARING AND IT'S TOO LATE.

HOLD ON. SO THAT'S A CONCERN TOO. YES. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

WE DO HAVE A SECOND HEARING SCHEDULED FOR JULY THE 3RD.

BY THAT TIME, WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED ALLOCATION IS.

AND SO TYPICALLY THERE ARE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAPPEN AT THAT TIME.

AND SO I SUPPOSE YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS AS MOVING THESE TOWARDS THE SECOND HEARING.

BUT I JUST WOULD ASK THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD COULD CHANGE SOMEWHAT. TYPICALLY THEY DON'T CHANGE DRAMATICALLY, BUT THEY COULD CHANGE.

SO CERTAINLY UP TO THE COUNCIL AND YOUR POLICYMAKING ROLE TO TO MOVE FORWARD ALL AS PRESENTED OR ALL WITHOUT THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES INTENDED TOWARDS THE FINAL HEARING.

BUT YOUR BUT YOUR REAL DECISION WILL BE MADE AT THAT FINAL HEARING.

THANK YOU. WELL, WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND. I GOT A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SAY NAY. NAY. NAY. PASSES 3 TO 2.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MR. MORGAN TO PRESENT THIS CASE. YES, SIR. YES, MAYOR.

MEMBER CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS ANOTHER SOURCE OF HOUSING FUNDS THAT THAT WE HAVE.

THIS IS HOME FUNDS AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO CALL ON STAFF TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE OF THE MATTER.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THE THE HOME FUND PROGRAM SIMILAR TO CDBG.

I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WORKING OR NOT. SO JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. FOR OUR INCOMING PROGRAM YEAR, WE DON'T YET HAVE THE ALLOCATIONS, SO WE USE THIS CURRENT YEAR'S ALLOCATION 227,000 $227,234.16.

WE PUT THE BID OUT OR WE PUT THE REQUEST FOR APPLICATIONS OUT DECEMBER 6TH THAT RAN THROUGH JANUARY 6TH.

THE CITY ONLY RECEIVED ONE APPLICATION FROM COMMUNITY OF HOPE.

THAT APPLICATION WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD ON FEBRUARY 16TH.

THE APPEALS PROCESS RAN FROM FEBRUARY 20TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH.

THERE WERE NO APPEALS, NO NOTICES SENT TO THE CITY.

COMMUNITY OF HOPE'S APPLICATION INCLUDES THE REHABILITATION OF A OF A BUILDING THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN ON PALM BAY ROAD AT 1975 PALM BAY ROAD. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REHABILITATE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL SUITES FOR SINGLE ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT UNITS. THREE OF THOSE FOR THREE SENIOR CITIZENS AT 50% AMI.

A FEW THINGS TO NOTE. COMMUNITY OF HOPE OWNS THAT PARCEL.

THEY OWN THAT BUILDING. THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING THEIR OFFICE OUT OF THAT FACILITY.

THEY CURRENTLY OPERATE A THRIFT THRIFT STORE OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY OR I'M SORRY THAT THAT STRUCTURE.

THEY HAVE REQUESTED $170,425.62, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM THEY COULD REQUEST GIVEN OUR ALLOCATION.

HOWEVER, I WILL NOTE THAT IN THEIR APPLICATION, THEIR ORIGINAL ASK BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF THE REHABILITATION FOR THAT PROJECT IS $294. SORRY, $294,705. A FEW OTHER ITEMS TO NOTE.

I DID SPEAK WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, DREW WARREN, WHO IS HERE TONIGHT, AND HE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON HIS PROPOSAL ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE FACILITY AND THE PROXIMITY TO SOME CRIME ACTIVITY IN THAT PINEWOOD AREA.

WE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY OF THE FACILITY.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL. IT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AS COMMERCIAL.

AND SO WITH THE CHANGE OF USE, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

SO MR. WARREN DID SPEAK WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF AND OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.

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IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, PER THEIR APPLICATION AND THEIR PROPOSAL, THAT THEY INTEND TO APPLY FOR THIS UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

IN SPEAKING WITH OUR SENIOR PLANNER THIS AFTERNOON, SHE, TANYA RAMOS, SHE DID CONFIRM THAT BASED ON THE REQUIRED PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, 65% IS THE MINIMUM THEY WOULD NOT MEET THAT MINIMUM.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LAY ALL OF THAT OUT BEFORE YOU AND THEN, OF COURSE, ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, MYSELF OR AVAILABLE. OTHERWISE, MR. WARREN IS HERE.

YEAH. SO I AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE. I KNOW WHERE THIS IS.

THIS IS RIGHT ALONG THE CORRIDOR WHERE 7-ELEVEN IS.

YES, IT IS A SMALL STRIP, AND I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT BEING.

AND I CALL DREW UP. I CALLED DREW LAST NIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS ISN'T QUADRA JUDICIAL, BUT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH I WOULD I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A DEADLINE ON THIS? YES. IT'S THE SAME DEADLINE FOR CDBG.

SAME AS CDBG. AND THIS IS THE ONLY PROJECT THAT CAME IN.

IT'S THE ONLY APPLICATION THE CITY RECEIVED. OKAY.

YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T THINK I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.

DREW WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME SELLING TO ME. I JUST DON'T AGREE.

NUMBER ONE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASPECT TO IT. BUT I DID SUGGEST BECAUSE IN THAT PROPERTY, I SUGGESTED TO DREW THAT HE'S GOT A TWO STORY FACILITY ALMOST ADJACENT JUST FURTHER NORTH OF WHERE THAT STRIP MALL IS THAT HE'S TRYING TO CREATE THREE BEDROOMS IN A STRIP MALL THAT HAS A THRIFT STORE THAT SHOULD REMAIN COMMERCIAL.

AND THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS, BUT I'LL LET HIM COME UP AND DO A PRESENTATION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING.

YES, SIR. OKAY. COME ON UP. HELLO, EVERYONE.

SORRY FOR MY ATTIRE. IT WAS A LONG DAY. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO CHANGE.

I THOUGHT ABOUT CHANGING INTO MY JACKET, BUT I THANKFULLY DIDN'T.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PURPLE AND WE WOULD HAVE CLASHED.

SO COMMUNITY OF HOPE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT 1975 PALM BAY ROAD.

IT'S ACTUALLY 1975 AND 1945. WE PURCHASED IT BECAUSE WE NEEDED NEW OFFICE SPACE.

WE NEEDED WE HAD SOME THINGS WE WERE GOING TO DO, BUT WE LOOK AT OURSELVES AS THE STEWARDS OF OF WHATEVER PROPERTY WE HAVE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND HONESTLY, I'M HERE FOR YOUR INPUT TOO. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS, I HEAR YOU AND I AND I.

I'M A CITIZEN OF PALM BAY. I LIVE HERE IN PALM BAY.

I KNOW THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I KNOW THE NEED FOR FOR MORE BUSINESSES TO COME IN.

I HEAR YOU, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT MIXED USE IS A POSITIVE THING FOR A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND A LOT OF FOR US TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS PROPERTY. I THOUGHT, WELL, THE THING THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING WELL AS A COMMUNITY AND CERTAINLY COMMUNITY OF HOPE ISN'T EVEN ADDRESSING, WELL BECAUSE WE FOCUS MAINLY ON FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN IS THE SENIORS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SENIORS RIGHT NOW FALLING BETWEEN THE CRACKS THERE.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD THEIR THEIR RENTAL RATES ANY LONGER ON FIXED INCOMES.

THEY HAVE AND THERE JUST ARE NOT ENOUGH SERVICES FOR THEM.

SO AGAIN, BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR THAT.

I ALSO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE AND SAY, THIS IS ONE THAT THANKFULLY WE'RE DOING GOOD THINGS WITH AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO GOOD THINGS WITH, BUT IT'S BEEN A BIT OF A BLIGHTED PROPERTY FOR A WHILE.

IT HASN'T BEEN USED TO TO ITS BEST, AND TOTAL USE, MIGHT PUT IT THAT WAY.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PALM BAY, TO REALLY IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, TO MAKE THE PROPERTY SAFE AND CLEAN AND A HUB FOR GOOD THINGS IN PALM BAY, WHEN I THINK OFTEN IT'S BEEN KIND OF A HUB FOR SOME NEGATIVITY. WE WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY.

AND I SPOKE WITH CHIEF AJELLO. I SPOKE WITH HE HAS A DEPARTMENT THAT COMES OUT AND DOES ENVIRONMENTAL CRIME PREVENTION ASSESSMENTS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND DO THAT WITH US.

WE PLAN ON MAKING THIS A PROJECT THAT YOU ALL WILL BE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. SO. YEAH. COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. DREW? NO. NO QUESTIONS. I DO.

COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. SO THE ONE STORY BUILDING THERE, NOT THE TWO STORY BUILDING.

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YOU WANT TO PUT SENIOR CITIZENS IN THAT? YES, BUT MIND YOU, WE NOW HAVE OUR OFFICES THERE.

WE HAVE SO IT WILL HAVE THE SURROUNDING SERVICE COMPONENT THERE FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS AS WELL.

SO. YES. OKAY. I LOVE THE PROGRAM. I JUST REALLY DO NOT LIKE THE LOCATION.

I REALLY DON'T. SO PART PART OF MY QUESTION, I GUESS, IS TO STAFF THIS ACTUALLY, THIS IS PROPOSED, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'LL GET THE POTENTIAL REZONING.

IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PNC AND AND ALL OF THAT.

SO THIS IS THIS IS A HUGE RISK. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DEADLINE.

BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. DREW. THANK YOU. AND I PROMISE YOU, REGARDLESS OF WHICH DIRECTION THIS GOES, THAT WILL BE A PROPERTY EVENTUALLY THAT YOU LOOK AT AND SAY, THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR. WELL, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THE THRIFT STORE AND ALL THAT ALREADY.

IT'S JUST A CONCERN THAT I AND I SHARE IS. AND COUNCILMAN HAMMER JUST ECHOED IS PUTTING SENIORS THERE.

IN THAT TYPE OF FACILITY. BUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO IT, I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT POTENTIAL TO USE THAT PALM BAY CORRIDOR TO CREATE MORE BUSINESS FLOW THERE.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS ITEM.

I GOT A MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

I GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MAYOR. SO I'M VOTING DOWN FOR. FOR TWO REASONS.

THE FIRST ONE IS IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SET UP HERE.

THIS IS A MAJOR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. WE HAVE LIMITED COMMERCIAL AND AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF SPACES IN OUR CITY.

WE NEED TO PRESERVE THOSE. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE TO BRING IN STRONG BUSINESSES IN.

AND THEN I ALSO JUST DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING GOING NEXT INTO A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR FOR ANY SPILLOVER THAT MIGHT HAPPEN INTO OUR BUSINESSES. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

THE SECOND ONE FOR ME IS, WHICH I'VE SAID BEFORE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP REITERATING IS IT'S NOT GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO DO HOUSING.

AND THEN IT'S EASY FOR US AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AT THIS FEDERAL MONEY AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS JUST FREE MONEY. LET'S JUST TAKE IT AND LET'S GIVE IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE.

BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THIS ISN'T FREE MONEY.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING A TERRIBLE JOB, BUT WE'RE BEING PERPETRATORS BY SAYING, YEAH, GIVE IT, GIVE IT ALL TO US. GIVE IT ALL TO US.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE IT AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT FOR YOU. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, THOUGH, IS OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS $40 TRILLION IN DEBT, AND THAT INFLATION FROM THE QUANTITATIVE EASING AFFECTS EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO INSTEAD IS SAY, WE SHOULD SEND THIS MONEY BACK WITH A NOTE THAT SAYS, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER? GET OUR ECONOMY IN ORDER.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY LOCALLY TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES. AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PROBLEM IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE INFLATION THAT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT. SO I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE VOTE TO SPEND THIS FEDERAL MONEY WHEN IT'S GOING TO, IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, AFFECT EVERY ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS IN PALM BAY NEGATIVELY.

I'D RATHER THE ECONOMY WAS JUST FIXED AND PEOPLE WEREN'T WORRIED ABOUT LOSING THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY COULD AFFORD TO LIVE IN IT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. HE SAID A LOT, AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID, EXCEPT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SENDING HIM BACK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHILE WE DO HAVE IT, WE'RE THE BEST STEWARDS WITH IT.

BUT HE'S RIGHT. IT'S A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT, AND WE END UP WITH A HOLE IN THE BAG, SO.

SO I GOT MOTION TO DENY. YUP. BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

IF I COULD ASK FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON GOING FORWARD.

HEARD SOME POLICY DISCUSSION. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO RE SOLICIT OTHER PROJECTS AND TRY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK BY THE JULY 3RD SECOND HEARING? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL THE COUNTY THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO ACCEPT THESE FUNDS THIS YEAR AND TO REALLOCATE THOSE TO OTHER PARTNERS WITH THE COUNTY.

WE'RE JUST I THINK STAFF WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION.

SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE ALREADY HEARD WHAT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN SAID.

BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BENEFIT ANY SENIORS, A PROGRAM SOLICIT FOR ANOTHER PROGRAM, CERTAINLY THIS ONE DIDN'T MEET THE MUSTARD. BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

SAME. AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

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YES, SIR, WE'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION. CAN'T ASSURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER POTENTIAL PROPOSAL, BUT WE'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION. WELL, THANK YOU, SCOTT, OR.

THANK YOU, MR. MORGAN. I APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE THIS ONE JUST DIDN'T.

AND, DREW, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MR. MORGAN. YES. THIS IS AS YOU RECALL, JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO, WE HAD SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO SOME FOR SOME REALLOCATED PRIOR YEAR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS.

UNLIKE THE LAST TWO HEARINGS, THIS ONE ONLY REQUIRES THIS HEARING.

AND THE COUNCIL'S DECISION WOULD PROVIDE OUR ALLOCATION OF THOSE, REALLOCATION OF THOSE DOLLARS.

AND SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH WITH ANY INFORMATION YOU MIGHT HAVE.

BUT BEFORE YOU OPEN THE HEARING, WE'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW.

OKAY. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE GIVE AN OVERVIEW? THANK YOU.

MAYOR. AS THIS WAS PRESENTED BY CAMACHO ON THE FEBRUARY 19TH.

COUNCIL MEETING. I'VE ASKED HER TO COME UP AND PRESENT THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT A FIRST SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT BACK IN FEBRUARY, AND THIS IS THE SECOND SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT.

THE FIRST AMENDMENT NUMBER IS A FUNDING REDUCTION TO THE 2024 PUBLIC WORKS CONSTRUCTION.

SIDEWALKS EAST OF SAN FILIPPO BOULEVARD TO WICHITA TO ELDERON.

THE ORIGINAL FUNDING AMOUNT WAS $270,266, AND THE PROPOSED CHANGE AND REASONS FOR THE CHANGE IS THAT WITH THE NEW CENSUS THAT WENT OUT IN 2020, THE HUD MAPS WERE FINALLY UPDATED, AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT THIS PROJECT NO LONGER MEETS THE 51% LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREA BENEFIT REQUIRED. THEREFORE, NO CDBG FUNDS CAN BE SPENT ON THIS PROJECT IN THIS LOCATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS PROJECT BE CANCELED AND THAT THE CORRECTIVE ACTION IS NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH THE US HUD, THE DEPARTMENT OF HUD. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS, THE TWO 7266 TO LIBERTY PARK TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS FOR PHASE TWO OF LIBERTY PARK.

AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IS THE FUNDING INCREASE FROM LIBERTY PARK PHASE TWO.

I'M SORRY. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, FUNDING INCREASE FOR THE NEW PROJECT IS THE 2024 CDBG FUNDS FOR LIBERTY PARK IMPROVEMENTS PHASE TWO. SO THE ORIGINAL FUNDING WAS TWO 7266.

PROPOSED CHANGES AND REASON. THE PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT DELIVERS A MULTITUDE OF BENEFITS IMPACTING COMMUNITY HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL WELL-BEING.

ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND SOCIAL COHESION. THESE IMPROVEMENTS ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS AND CONTRIBUTE TO MORE VIBRANT AND SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT.

THESE IMPROVEMENTS I WANT TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE YOU WENT FROM THAT FIRST PROJECT AND YOU FLOWED RIGHT INTO LIBERTY, BUT I, I HAD A QUESTION WITH THE FIRST PROJECT, WHICH WAS THAT DIDN'T CUT THE MUSTARD, SO TO SPEAK.

THE SEGMENT FROM WICHITA TO ELDRON REGARDING SAN FILIPPO.

THOSE SIDEWALKS. RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU MAY REMEMBER, IS, IS THIS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD A CONCERNED CITIZEN COME UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN REGARDING OUR CHILDREN OR OUR YOUTH THAT ARE IN DANGER BECAUSE OF THE CORRIDOR? IT'S A CUT THROUGH. AND SO IS THIS THE SAME CORRIDOR? OKAY, SO, COUNCIL, I WANT US TO BE AWARE OF THIS.

THERE WAS THERE'S BEEN A CITIZEN. HE HASN'T BEEN HERE IN QUITE SOME TIME.

HOWEVER, HE WAS A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR OUR YOUTH THAT HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR.

AND AND HE WOULD ACTUALLY GUIDE THEM AND PROTECT THEM FROM VEHICLES THAT ARE USING THAT AS A CUT THROUGH.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING A CUT THROUGH? YOU INCREASE YOUR SPEED. WE'VE HAD LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE IN THE PAST, SO I JUST WANT US, SINCE YOU TRANSITIONED, THIS DID NOT QUALIFY FOR THE CDBG FUNDING OF $270,266.

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I JUST FELT THAT SINCE YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THAT GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SO ADAMANT ABOUT PROTECTING OUR YOUTH THAT WE RAISED THAT AWARENESS AS WE PROCEED IN THE FUTURE WITH EVEN OUR BUDGET.

BUT. CARRY ON. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SIR. SO AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IS ALSO A FUNDING INCREASE FOR THAT NEW PROJECT.

THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THAT'S WHERE I WAS. SO THE REALLOCATION AMOUNT OF THE TRANSFER OF THE TWO 7266 CANCELED FROM THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS LOCATED ON THE EAST END OF SAN FILIPPO BOULEVARD FROM WICHITA BOULEVARD TO ELDERON.

THE FUNDS WILL BE MOVED TO LIBERTY PARK. IMPROVEMENTS PHASE TWO.

IT WAS PHASE ONE WAS ADVERTISED AND THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT ONE, AS YOU REMEMBER, AND THAT WAS TOTALING 134 190 PLUS THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL NOW PROVIDE 270 TO LIBERTY PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

PHASE TWO FOR A TOTAL BUDGET FOR LIBERTY PARK PHASE ONE AND TWO AT $404,456.

THANK YOU. LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, THE HOUSING REHABILITATION INSPECTIONS AS AN ACTIVITY DELIVERY COST.

WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE 52,607, 65 THAT REMAINED FROM SOME OF THE PROJECTS MOVING AROUND PROGRAM YEAR 2022 AND 2023, LEFT OVER FUNDS FROM COMPLETED PROJECTS TO GO TO A HOUSING REHABILITATION ACTIVITY COST DELIVERY, WHICH INCLUDES DELIVERY COSTS INCLUDING STAFF, OTHER DIRECT COSTS AND SERVICE COSTS DIRECTLY RELATED TO CARRYING OUT HOUSING REHABILITATION ACTIVITIES. SOME EXAMPLES WOULD INCLUDE APPRAISALS, ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

PREPARATION OF THE WORK SPECIFICATIONS, WORK WRITE UPS, SURVEYS, SITES AND UTILITY PLAN.

APPLICATION PROCESSING AND OTHER FEES. OTHER.

OTHER EXAMPLES INCLUDE INSPECTION, INSPECTING PROPERTIES AND PREPARING COST ESTIMATES, PREPARING DOCUMENTS FOR BID INVITATIONS, AND COORDINATING THE DISTRIBUTION OF BID PACKAGES TO QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS.

REVIEWING BID PROJECTS. COST PROPOSALS AND ADVERTISING ON THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE BENEFICIAL REHABILITATION PACKAGE.

ASSISTING WITH THE COORDINATION OF CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES WITH CONTRACTORS AND HOMEOWNERS.

MONITORING AND INSPECTING. CONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION OF PROJECTS FOR COMPLIANCE AND WORKMANSHIP.

STANDARDS. SPECIFICATIONS. ADHERENCE TO CODE.

PROPERTY REHABILITATION STANDARDS. CONTRACT CONDITIONS AND PROGRESS.

PAYMENT DISBURSEMENTS. APPROVING PROGRESS AND FINAL PAYMENT REQUEST.

PROVIDING PROJECT UPDATES TO HOMEOWNERS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND TIMELINES, ASSISTING IN RESOLVING CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE CONTRACTORS, PROVIDING INFORMATION REGARDING THE HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM AND OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC. THE PROPOSED CHANGE AND REASONS FOR THIS IS TO NOTICE THAT CORRECTS THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT ONE, WHICH YOU WILL REMEMBER, WAS PUBLISHED IN THE FLORIDA TODAY ON JANUARY 15TH, CHANGING THE ACTIVITY NAME TO HOUSING REHABILITATION SPECIALIST TO HOUSING REHABILITATION ACTIVITY DELIVERY COST. SO INSPECTORS CAN BE HIRED TO WORK UNDER THIS ACTIVITY INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR THE CITY, BUT WORKING WITH THE CITY AND BE A CONTRACTED INSPECTOR.

THE CITY HAS CONFIRMED WITH HUD THAT THE CDBG FUNDS MAY BE USED FOR DELIVERY PROJECT COSTS RELATED TO HOME FUNDED PROJECTS.

THIS TRANSFER FROM THE REMAINING ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS, ALONG WITH THE $1,897.65 FROM PROGRAM YEAR 2223 LEFTOVER FUNDS FROM COMPLETED PROJECTS TO FUND THIS ACTIVITY.

AND I WANT TO REALLY NOTE THIS AND EMPHASIZE THIS, BECAUSE WE HEARD YOU THE LAST TIME WE BROUGHT THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT UP IS THAT THIS IS A HOUSING REHABILITATION ACTIVITY, DELIVERY COST.

IT INCLUDES A SCOPE THAT EXCEEDS WHAT IS AUTHORIZED BY THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, AS ADMINISTERED AND ENFORCED BY THE CITY'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THE ACTIVITY PROJECT DELIVERY COST INCLUDES INITIAL WALKTHROUGH, PREPARATION OF THE SCOPE OF WORK, CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM MONITORING, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

WHILE SUCH SERVICES CANNOT BE FUNDED BY THE BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND, AS THERE ARE NO ACTIVITIES ENFORCED BY THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL MAY BE REIMBURSED BY CDBG FUNDS FOR THE TIME SPENT PERFORMING SUCH ACTIVITIES,

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THE COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND HOUSING DIVISION WILL ALSO SOLICIT OUTSIDE CONTRACTING SERVICES TO ASSIST IN PERFORMING SUCH ACTIVITIES FOR THE HOUSING DIVISION, STAFF ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PERFORM. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS OF BABIES? THANK YOU MA'AM.

APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK. YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE STAFF AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS. AND IF I WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS THIS IS WHAT I'D VOTE FOR, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M GOING TO BE DOWN STRICTLY ON ECONOMIC REASONS.

AS I'VE ALREADY STATED BEFORE, JUST BECAUSE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM A FEDERAL POT OF MONEY.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT STAFF PUTS INTO IT.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS BRINGS ME TO A REALLY GOOD POINT.

I KNOW THAT, AND I'M LOOKING AT BRIAN ROBINSON AT THIS POINT.

AND I'M ALSO GOING TO LOOK AT TERRY, THERE IS I WAS PROMISED A VISUAL OF WHEN I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN COUNCIL'S WILLING TO SPEAK.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS MIGHT BE ON THE ORDER. BUT HERE IT IS, APRIL.

AND I'M STILL WAITING ON THAT THAT INSTRUMENT SO THAT MY HEAD DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ON A SWIVEL.

I, I ENCOURAGE STAFF TO GET ME THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

AND I LIKE TO START TRAINING ON THAT DEVICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE DOWNRANGE. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE IT SO MUCH EASIER FOR ME.

SO I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE STAFF ONCE AGAIN. I'M AWAITING BATED BREATH.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SINGING BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES FOUR ONE. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MADAM SMITH, RESOLUTION 20 2514, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR INDOOR RECREATION AND NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTIES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JUPITER BOULEVARD AND EMERSON DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE. PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFER TO MR. MORGAN. YES. MAYOR. MEMBER CITY COUNCIL. AS I STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

BUT WE DO HAVE STAFF HERE TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW BEFORE THE PARTIES WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU, MADAM FRAZIER. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL.

AS PRESENTED THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR INDOOR RECREATION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AT JUPITER BOULEVARD AND THEIR UNITS TWO AND THREE, IN AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER.

THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 2006 AS A MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE OPERATION OF A BOXING GYM AND FITNESS CENTER TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND CATER TO SPECIAL NEEDS YOUTH CLASSES AND ADULT FITNESS AND SELF-DEFENSE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THE CONDITIONAL USES AND THE EVALUATION REVIEW THAT STAFF DOES IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE TWO OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, THOSE ARE THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, TYPICALLY ONE THROUGH EIGHT TALKING ABOUT ACCESS SETBACKS, LANDSCAPING. AND SINCE THIS IS AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER, THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I'LL START ON THE LEFT HAND COUNCILMAN. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN HAMMER. I DO WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT THERE'S PENDING LITIGATION PENDING IN THIS.

WILL THAT LITIGATION AFFECT ANY OF OUR JUDGING TODAY, OR DO WE EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO TABLE THIS UNTIL LEGISLATION OR

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YES, MAYOR. THE LITIGATION IS RELATED TO PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHEREAS WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE DECIDING IS THE REGULATION OF THE ACTUAL LAND. SO I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ONE OF THE LITIGANTS.

THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY CLAIMS IN THE COURT, WHICH HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM.

YOU ALL HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THE PERSONAL PROPERTY.

AND WHAT HAPPENS AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONAL USE DOES NOT AFFECT WHETHER THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY CLAIM IS VALID OR NOT.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO MOVE FORWARD.

THEY ARE TWO DISTINCT CLAIMS AND THEY ARE IN TWO DIFFERENT FORMS. I'M JUST MAKING SURE OUR DECISION IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT ANY OF THAT WITHIN THAT.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COUNSEL? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, SIR? OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

AND THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL. I DO KNOW MRS. MARTINEZ, I KNEW HER LATE HUSBAND AND ATTORNEY.

I KNEW THAT AND I KNOW OF THE PROPERTY. I KNOW THAT LAST TIME WE COMMUNICATED WAS OCTOBER.

I BELIEVE IT WAS THAT YOU WERE HAVING A HALLOWEEN EVENT ACROSS THE STREET AT THE CHURCH, AND YOU WERE SHARING THAT YOU WERE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO BRING FORTH A GYM A GYM, THAT IT WAS IN YOUR HUSBAND'S LAW OFFICE.

SO I WANTED TO GO AND PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY MEET OTHER THAN THAT WAS SAID IN OCTOBER.

YOU COULD BRING THAT DOWN IF YOU LIKE. MISS MARINA MARTINEZ.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. CARRY ON. OKAY. SORRY.

OKAY. SO MY NAME IS MARINA MARTINEZ. AND THE POINT OF HAVING THIS GYM IS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.

WE ALWAYS HAD ME AND MY HUSBAND ALWAYS LOVED HELPING THE COMMUNITY WITH THINGS SUCH AS OUR TURKEY GIVEAWAYS, OUR FREE HALLOWEEN FEST FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE DID THAT FOR A FEW YEARS. OUR CHRISTMAS GIVEAWAYS AND HE ALWAYS HAD A BIG HEART WITH HELPING THE COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY THE YOUTH. A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS WERE JUVENILE CLIENTS FROM PALM BAY AND AFTER SCHOOL THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY GET THEMSELVES INTO TROUBLE. SO HE ALWAYS WANTED TO CREATE A PROGRAM WHERE THE YOUTH COULD LEAVE THE SCHOOL AND COME TO THESE PROGRAMS AND GET BOXING TRAINING, SELF-DEFENSE TRAINING, AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE ALL THEIR ANGER OUT ON THE BAG INSTEAD OF OUT IN THE STREETS.

WE'RE ALSO PLANNING ON BRINGING IN OUR NONPROFIT, STANDING IN YOUR CORNER, TO PROVIDE FREE BOXING TRAINING TO OUR YOUTH IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. JUST TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO. AND I KNOW BOXING CAN BE A VERY EXPENSIVE SPORT, SO WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN ON TOP OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO JUST COME IN AND PAY FOR TRAINING.

THANK YOU. I'LL ASK COUNCIL IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU.

OKAY. I'LL START AT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. NO, MA'AM.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER. NO, SIR. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MAYOR. THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YOU. YOU MIGHT WANT TO STAY BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER PEOPLE SPEAK TO COME BACK UP, OKAY. AND AND ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. BILL.

BILL. BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I'VE GOT THREE ITEMS TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE. THE FIRST ONE IS THE FACT THAT YOU NOTED THAT IT WAS QUASI JUDICIAL.

IF ANY OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S CAUSING THE LEGAL CASE, THAT THAT WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED IN YOUR QUASI JUDICIAL RULING AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

THE SECOND ONE WAS THE FACT THAT IT IS A LEGAL CASE PENDING ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT IT KIND OF MUDDIES THE WATER A LITTLE BIT IN DECISION MAKING AND HOW IT CAN COME BACK TO IMPACT. I SAY THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE CASES.

WELL, IT'S KIND OF LIKE FOLLOWING THE MONEY. SOMETIMES THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TRAIL THAT GETS LEFT BEHIND.

SO IN YOUR DECISION MAKING, REMEMBER THAT THERE IS THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF TURMOIL ON THIS DECISION RIGHT NOW.

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IF WHAT THEY BRING IN FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE, THEY THEN QUALIFY FOR NONPROFIT.

THAT MEANS WE'RE NO LONGER TAX GENERATING ON THIS COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO I WANT US TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.

AS FOR THE OVERALL CONCEPT, I LIKE IT, BUT FOR THE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT, HOW WE GET TO THIS POINT, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF LET'S PUT IT IN THERE, THIN ICE WHEN WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, EDDIE MCHALE.

HEY, HOW'S IT GOING? COUNSEL. EDDIE MAKIYA, 1384 SOUTHEAST VANDALIA AVENUE.

PALM BAY, FLORIDA, 32909. BASICALLY TOUCHING RIGHT BACK UP ON THE SAME TOPIC THAT MASTER CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND WHAT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF REZONING FOR CONDITIONAL USE? ULTIMATELY, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP APPLYING FOR A BTR SO YOU CAN RUN A BUSINESS.

SO THE THE NATURE OF THE LITIGATION IN THIS CASE, IF LITIGATION DIRECTLY CONCERNS OWNERSHIP, ZONING OR LEGAL OPERATION, THE BUSINESS ISSUING A BTR MIGHT BE CONSIDERED PREMATURE OR NEGLIGENT ON THE CITY'S PART IF THE COURT HAS PLACED INJUNCTIONS OR RESTRICTIONS WITH THE COURTS.

THE COURT HAS, AND IT'S A PENDING CASE ON THE BUSINESS OF PROPERTY.

ISSUING A BTR COULD CONFLICT WITH LEGAL PROCEEDINGS.

OBVIOUSLY IT CAN, BECAUSE IF THEY OPEN UP, I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER MY EQUIPMENT, ALL MY THINGS, I HAVE RECEIPTS. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF.

I HAVE SO MUCH EVIDENCE. THE FOLDERS HUMONGOUS.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF IT. SO THE CITY NEEDS TO DO ITS DUE DILIGENCE.

DUE DILIGENCE. THE CITY IS GENERALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR VERIFYING COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL LAWS BEFORE GRANTING A BTR.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING. BUT EVENTUALLY THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BECOME LIKE, MASTER CHIEF WAS STATING. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT REZONING.

SO, YOU KNOW, FOR NO, FOR NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER.

IF THEY IF, IF THEY FAIL TO CHECK FOR LITIGATION THAT COULD AFFECT BUSINESS LEGALITY, THEY MIGHT BE AT RISK OF ADMINISTRATIVE LEGAL CHALLENGES NOW.

POTENTIAL LIABILITIES. IF ISSUING A BETA HARMS THE OTHER PARTY'S LEGAL RIGHTS, WHICH IT WILL THE THE CITY COULD BE ACCUSED OF OF NEGLIGENCE OR IMPROPER GOVERNANCE IF THE BUSINESS OPERATES UNLAWFULLY LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN WITHOUT A BETA. THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, BECAUSE I'VE GONE TO CODE AND EVERYONE ELSE THE CITY COULD ALSO BE YOU KNOW, LIABLE AND COULD FACE LEGAL CLAIMS OR PUBLIC SCRUTINY.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE STATEMENTS CARRY THE FORCE OF LAW.

AND THESE GUYS BACK HERE, EVERYTHING SOUNDS ALL PRETTY, SOUNDS GREAT.

BUT WE GOT TO REMEMBER, THAT PLACE IS NOT GOING TO BE AS POSITIVE AS THEY MAKE IT SOUND.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON THAT RAN THIS AND TRIED TO STEAL ALL MY EQUIPMENT.

HE. HE DIDN'T JUST PASS AWAY. HE COMMITTED SUICIDE.

HE WAS A KNOWN DRUG ADDICT IN THE COMMUNITY. ME AND COACH GARY WERE HELPING HIM WITH THAT SITUATION.

LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE, BUT I KNOW LEGALLY IT WILL REAL SOON.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. NO MORE CARDS, MA'AM.

OKAY. MADAME MARTINEZ, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK UP AND AND REBUT.

CAN I HAVE ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE? FOSTER. I THINK I THINK YOU YOU COULD COME UP AND.

PATRICIA. YEAH. OKAY. YES. COME ON UP WITH YOUR OTHER REPRESENTATIVE.

YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.

PHILIP HENRY, 543 NORTH WYMORE ROAD. THE PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE ESTATE OF DANIEL MARTINEZ.

AND WE DID HAVE A CREDITOR PERIOD THAT PASSED NOVEMBER 18TH.

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I THINK DAN'S DEATH WAS VERY, VERY PUBLIC. AND WE LEFT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR ACTUALLY 90 DAYS.

MORE THAN THE REQUIRED PERIOD THAT WAS DONE. ALSO, IN REGARDS TO TAXES.

WE ARE FEDERALLY TAX EXEMPT. WE ARE LEASING THE PROPERTY, SO WE'RE PAYING RENT.

SO THE OWNER IS STILL PAYING TAX. AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERVING THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY WHO ARE ALSO TAXPAYERS.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT USE OF THAT PROPERTY YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE THE PAL.

THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE COMMUNITIES BY BRINGING SOMETHING LIKE PAL BOXING HERE, WHICH WE REALLY DON'T HAVE IN FLORIDA.

ON TOP OF THAT, ASSISTING SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN.

IF YOU EVER LOOK ON DANIEL MARTINEZ'S WEB PAGE AND WATCH THE PRACTICE THAT HE DID WITH SOME OF THE KIDS IN BOXING, IT'S MOSTLY SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD, MA'AM? SORRY. YEAH, THANKS. I'M GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I GUESS MISS FRASER. OR MAYBE THIS WOULD BE.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MA'AM.

I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE'RE DECIDING ON, BECAUSE NOW THERE'S THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME SOME COMMENTS ABOUT LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS REGARDING THE CITY. AND WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO CAN YOU SHED LIGHT ON THAT? WHAT? REGARDING OUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES, WHAT HE WAS SPEAKING OF.

HE HAS A. MOTION FOR AN INJUNCTION. AND HE HAS SCHEDULED AN EMERGENCY INJUNCTION HEARING.

WHICH IS I THINK SHORTLY COMING UP. THERE IS NO RULING AS OF YET, SO.

ESSENTIALLY, HE ANTICIPATES IF HE WERE TO PREVAIL, THE COURT WOULD ENTER AN.

AN INJUNCTION. AND THAT INJUNCTION COULD AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS.

THERE IS NO INJUNCTION RENDERED. I AM AWARE OF THE CASE.

CERTAINLY I WOULD MONITOR IT. MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, THE INJUNCTION WOULD NOT BE TOWARDS THE CITY, BUT WOULD BE TOWARDS MISS MARTINEZ AS FAR AS WHAT SHE WOULD DO WITH THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT.

BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT THE PROPERTY COULD BE USED FOR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

UNDERSTOOD. THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY COUNCIL? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ASKING FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS. MAYOR. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

I'LL SECOND IT. SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, OUR ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY SAID IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST VOTING ON THE LAND USE RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE NOT THE JUDGES FOR THE CURRENT LITIGATION.

THAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO UNDER THAT, I'M GOING TO BE AN UP ON IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IN GENERAL, IT'S GREAT TO SEE FACILITIES LIKE THIS.

THINGS THAT ARE MORE ATHLETIC AND EVEN EVEN THINGS THAT PROMULGATE OUR WARRIOR CULTURE.

AS AMERICANS AND, AND THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE HAVE A LOT OF NOWADAYS OF VIDEO GAMES AND COMPUTERS AND CELL PHONES AND YOUNG KIDS HANDS.

THIS WILL MOVE OUR SOCIETY FORWARD. HAVING MORE OF MORE. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

AND SO I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE JUST VOTING ON ON THE LAND.

SO YEAH IT'S EASY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME KNOW THAT I LOVE BOXING.

MOST PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME KNOW THAT I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF HOW BOXING CHANGES THE LIVES OF OUR YOUTH IN PARTICULAR OUR AT RISK YOUTHS COMING FROM NEW YORK CITY. I SAW BOXING TAKE A LOT OF OUR YOUTH OUT OF THE BRONX, IN THE SOUTH BRONX IN PARTICULAR. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO FORWARD THAT.

I ECHO WHAT YOU SAID, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. IT IS HUGE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF OF GETTING AWAY FROM THAT VIDEO GAMES AND GETTING IN THE GYM AND GETTING OUT AND BEING REALLY ACTIVE AND BEING POSITIVE.

SO I DO SUPPORT THIS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL? YES. YES, MAYOR. IF COUNCILMAN HAMMER DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION, I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT HE HAD ASKED BECAUSE I'M TORN.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE GYM. I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE WITNESSED COACH EDDIE IN THERE WORKING WITH DANIEL MARTINEZ.

SO I KIND OF WANT TO SEE THE PROCESS PLAY ITSELF OUT AND NOT GET MIXED UP IN IT.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S SAYING, AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE POINT OF COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, OF GETTING PEOPLE, GETTING KIDS AWAY FROM DEVICES AND GETTING THEM BACK USING THEIR EXTREMITIES THAT THEY'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH TO IN A BETTER

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THANK YOU. WELL, RIGHT NOW, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? YEAH, I GUESS JUST CLARITY FOR FOR THE MOTION.

OR MAYBE IT IS, BUT JUST TO SPECIFY THAT THIS IS FOR UNITS TWO AND THREE AND NOT NOT FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN AND WHAT AND WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USE EXPIRE UPON THE TENANT VACATING THE BUILDING, OR THIS IS A FOREVER CONDITIONAL USE FOR THESE TWO UNITS.

GOOD EVENING. ACCORDING TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CONDITIONAL USES DO EXPIRE WITHIN TWO YEARS.

IF A SITE PLAN OR A BTER HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED.

SO IF IF IT SITS FALLOW AND THE BUSINESS DOES NOT OPEN FOR TWO YEARS, THEN THAT CONDITIONAL USE DOES GO AWAY.

AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR JUST FOR UNITS. THOSE TWO UNITS.

YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES YOUR QUESTIONS.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY, NAY. I'VE GOT A ROLL CALL.

TERRY. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. NAY. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER.

NAY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, A DEPUTY MAYOR. JAFFE, A MAYOR.

MEDINA A PASSES 3 TO 2. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

YES, MAYOR AND I NEGLECTED TO READ THE QUASI JUDICIAL NOTICE, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO DO BEFORE WE GET INTO THESE NEXT TWO HEARINGS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE QUASI JUDICIAL. I KNOW ONE IS THE FINAL, BUT THE OTHER IS A FIRST.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, ITEMS FIVE AND SIX, ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, STAFF WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL THEN BE FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND THEN ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE HEARING THEN WILL BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY, AND THEN ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES.

THE APPLICANT WILL ALLOW CONCLUDING REMARKS. QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUEST OF A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE COUNCIL WILL DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE, AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

ORDINANCE 20 2514. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM RS.

TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO LIE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING DISTRICT.

WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE VICINITY, SOUTH OF FOUNDATION PARK BOULEVARD AND WEST OF BABCOCK STREET AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED CUMBERLAND INTERNATIONAL.

THREE DAYS AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, I WAS APPROACHED BY MY BOSS, AND THE THE APPLICANT WAS GIVEN TO ME AS ONE OF MY PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TO DO FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND UNTIL IT'S CLOSED, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM THE VOTE BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF MY CUSTOMERS. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

DID YOU LET THE CITY ATTORNEY KNOW? YES I DID, YES.

AND HE'S COMPLETED THE. I FILLED OUT ALL THE PAPERWORK AND GAVE MY REASONING AS WELL.

COPY THAT. DID YOU WANT TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE DAIS AT THIS TIME? YES, I AM. THANK YOU. MR. MORGAN. YES. THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND LISA FRAZIER, OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, CAN PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW.

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TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING FOR THE SOUTHERNMOST 15.4 ACRES OF A 36 ACRE PARCEL.

THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BRING THE ENTIRE 36 ACRE PARCEL INTO THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A TREE AND LANDSCAPE RECYCLING FACILITY, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING ZONING.

THE APPLICANT STATES THAT THIS TRACT, THE SOUTHERN TRACT, WILL NOT BE UTILIZED FOR THE PROPOSED FACILITY OPERATIONS, BUT MUST BE UNDER THE SAME LAND USE AND ZONING SO IT CAN BE UTILIZED CAN BE UTILIZED FOR THE TREE AND LANDSCAPE RECYCLING FACILITY.

THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION WOULD BE USED FOR WETLAND PRESERVATION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WITH SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO MAKE THIS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

PLEASE REFER TO THE ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKAGE WHICH DOES PUT THAT CONDITION UPON THIS PROPERTY.

PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE FACTORS OF ANALYSIS WHICH WERE UTILIZED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BY STAFF.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT THEIR CASE.

THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS BRUCE MOY. MBB ENGINEERING, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO ADD TONIGHT. YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE GIVING YOU ANY HANDOUTS.

WE GAVE YOU ALL OUR INFORMATION WAY AHEAD OF TIME.

SO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET. AND WE ARE GOING TO BASICALLY MAKE OUR PRESENTATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.

WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY EXPERT TESTIMONY TOWARDS THE ZONING AT THE LAST MEETING.

I DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR ANY TONIGHT. MAYBE I WILL, AND I'LL COME BACK AND REBUT THAT.

BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND THIS COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THE FIRST READING.

SO WE STAND BY OUR CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING REQUEST, AND HAVE REALLY NOTHING MORE TO ADD.

FOR THIS ITEM. WE WILL HAVE A LONG PRESENTATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PART OF IT.

LET ME ASK YOU IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU AT THIS TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, GENTLEMEN? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS OR WE. SHOULD WE GET THE AGGRIEVED PARTY TO PRESENT BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, SO JUST A QUESTION. MAYBE THEY SUBMITTED A SPEAKER CARD FOR FIVE AND SIX FOR A GREEN PARTY.

ARE THEY LOOKING TO DO A PREMIUM? IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

STEP RIGHT UP, SIR. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SINCE ITS SECOND READING THAT WE DON'T GET TO DO A FULL PRESENTATION.

CORRECT. THE COUNCIL HAS DONE HAS MADE A RULING, BUT AS I STATED, THERE REALLY WON'T CHANGE UNLESS YOU PROVIDE NEW EVIDENCE. IF THERE IS NO NEW EVIDENCE, THE RULING WILL STAY THE SAME, ALTHOUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND HASN'T BEEN HEARD.

RIGHT. AND SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS, NOW THAT COUNCILMAN HAMER HAS RECUSED HIMSELF THIS TIME, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE LAST TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE VOTE.

THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TONIGHT. WE'D HAVE BEEN AT A TIE. YEAH.

AND THE SAME THING COULD STILL HAPPEN IF YOU TWO GENTLEMEN ARE STILL IN THE SAME STATE OF MIND THEN WE'RE STILL IN A TIE.

SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. HE HAS A POINT, MADAM ATTORNEY.

THERE WASN'T A CONFLICT BEFORE. IT DOESN'T STOP HIM FROM PRESENTING THE QUASI HEARD BEFORE.

CERTAINLY. IF IT. IF YOU TIE IT PURSUANT TO OUR ORDINANCES FAILS, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, BECAUSE THE LAND USE AND ZONING WON'T WON'T BE IN SYNC.

BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH AFTER THE FACT, BUT CERTAINLY.

I THINK THE VOTE SHOULDN'T CHANGE IF UNLESS THERE'S A NEW ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE, I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HAMMER SAID HE BECAME A CLIENT THREE DAYS AFTER.

RIGHT. THERE WASN'T A CONFLICT AT THE PRIOR HEARING.

HE SAID HE WAS TOLD ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER CONFLICTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THAT HE DID HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT DID NOT TELL US THE SUBJECT OR THE DATE. HE JUST SAID THAT HE HAD A PHONE CALL, AND HE ALSO HAS CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM THE APPLICANT.

MADAM ATTORNEY, CAMPAIGN DONATIONS OR SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE EX PARTE DOES NOT SERVE AS A BASIS TO BE AS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. CERTAINLY WHAT THE STATUTE PROVIDES IS THAT THE COUNCIL CAN PASS AN ORDINANCE, WHICH OUR COUNCIL HAS DONE,

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ONCE YOU'RE ON NOTICE, THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO INQUIRE FURTHER IF YOU NEED IT, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOUR OWN NOTICE AND YOU FAIL TO DO SO, IT'S ESSENTIALLY CALLED WAIVER.

LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T TOLD THE SUBJECT THOUGH, SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD WHEN THE SUBJECT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT IT WAS JUST I HAD A PHONE CALL THAT SAID KIND OF SOME OF THE EVIDENCE I'M SEEING THAT THAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNICATION MAY HAVE KIND OF TWISTED. THE THE THOUGHTS IS THAT I WAS TOLD THAT HE HAD SOME COMMUNICATIONS AFTERWARDS WITH SOME OF HIS CONSTITUENTS, AND HIS BELIEF WAS THAT HE WAS VOTING TO MAKE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT, RIGHT. ONLY SAINT JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT CAN DO THAT.

AND THE REAL CONCERN HERE IS THAT IF THEY DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DO IT, IF THEY DON'T GIVE THEM THEIR FULL MITIGATION SO THEY THERE'S NOTHING WE'VE GOT NOTHING FROM SAINT JOHN'S SAYING THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND NOTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING IS STOPPING THEM FROM GOING AND MAKE IT CONSERVATION.

ZONING DOESN'T DO THAT. CONDITIONAL USE DOESN'T DO THAT.

NONE OF THAT. RIGHT. SO THEN MY CONCERN THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UP SINCE TWO YEARS AGO WITH THE FIRST MEETING WAS IF THEY DON'T GO THROUGH AND GET EVERYTHING, IF BECAUSE THEY STILL NOT JUST CONSERVATION, THEY HAVE TO GET THE PERMITS FROM SAINT JOHN'S TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

DEP HAS TO APPROVE THEM DOING THEIR OPERATION.

YOU GUYS, THEY HAVE TO GET PAST THIS CONDITIONAL USE. IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND THIS ZONING PASSES, THEY CAN SELL THAT PROPERTY AND THE UPLANDS PART OF THAT WETLANDS.

WHAT WAS RESIDENTIAL WILL NOW BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

MATTER OF FACT, IT'S TO YOUR POINT OF ORDER. IF IF WE'RE STARTING, LET'S LET'S.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. LET'S START THE CLOCK. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE CLOCK. YEAH.

SO. BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. UNLESS. YOU. OKAY, WELL, GO AHEAD AND START YOUR PRESENTATION. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS ONE. WE HAVE, LIKE, MR. BOY, WE HAVE THE BIG PRESENTATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.

OKAY, GO. GO AHEAD AND START YOUR PRESENTATION. THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

MY IT WAS MY CONCERN THAT THAT IF THIS PASSES ZONING AND ANY OF THIS OTHER STUFF FAILS THAT NOW THAT ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED AND A NEW PERSON CAN COME IN AND PUT INDUSTRIAL IN. SO I'M SURE HE'LL REBUT THAT.

HE'LL HE'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT. SO JUST, JUST JUST FOR FOR CLARITY.

I HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR FIVE AND SIX FROM MR. DENZLER. MRS.. DENZLER. VITALI BRENZONE AND MARIANNE GOODWIN.

ARE YOU ARE YOU SPEAKING? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON FIVE? SPEAKING ON FIVE? I'M SPEAKING ON FIVE. OKAY.

I WAS CONFIDENT WITH THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT WENT INTO DEVELOPING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND BELIEVE MY LAND WOULD BE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

I WOULD HAVE NOT BOUGHT THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IF IT WAS GOING TO BE NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL SITE.

OUR OLD HOME WAS ON TURKEY CREEK, BUT WE WANTED MORE LAND TO HAVE FARM ANIMALS AND TO GROW OUR OWN FOOD.

MY HUSBAND ALSO WANTED A BIGGER GARAGE WITH A LIFT TO WORK ON THE ANTIQUE CARS INSTEAD OF LOOKING OUTSIDE THE CITY, WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT WAS HARD FINDING A PROPERTY WITH SOME LAND IN PALM BAY, BUT WE DID.

I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING THE ZONING CHANGE.

ONE CONCERN IS THAT THE MAYOR WANTED MORE TIME AND TO DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE VOTING.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON STATED HE WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS VOTE, AS HE WAS VOTING REMOTELY AND DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE MATERIAL PRESENTED BY THE COMMUNITY. THE CITY'S LEGAL COUNSEL ADVISED AGAINST THIS.

ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PROVIDED STUDIES OF HEALTH RISKS THAT AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS WOULD BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN THE APPLICANT GETS UP TO SPEAK, HE STATES INFORMATION WITHOUT ANY FACTS TO BACK UP WHAT HE IS SAYING.

WITHOUT FACTS, THIS IS JUST OPINION. WHY IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE APPLICANT THAT LIVES OUTSIDE OF PALM BAY? FINALLY, I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS A VIOLATION WITH THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

SECTION H CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE PALM BAY CODE OF ETHICS FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

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CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FATE OF OUR HEALTH AND OUR ANIMALS IN YOUR HANDS TO ALLOW EXPOSURE TO AN INDUSTRIAL SITE, FROM THIS KIND OF INDUSTRIAL SITE TO A LARGE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, DOES NOT SEEM TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

I WISH YOU WOULD RECONSIDER AND VOTE NO IF YOU HAVE NOT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. VITALI BRINTON.

YES. VITALI BRINDLE, 1585 OAKFIELD AVENUE, SOUTHEAST.

I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE ISSUE.

AND THE CONDITIONAL USE IS. EXCUSE ME FOR THE ZONING.

THE ZONING AREA TO BE THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE IS A TYPICALLY A SUBURBAN AREA ALL AROUND THAT WHOLE AREA. AND TO HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HAVE OTHER INDUSTRIES, ESPECIALLY INDUSTRIES TO MOVE IN THAT MIGHT BE POLLUTING OR THAT DON'T FIT IN THAT AREA. IT WOULD NOT BE WONDERFUL.

I DID TALK TO SOME OF THE COMPANIES AROUND THAT AREA.

ONE OF THEM WAS SHAPE, ALSO CUBESMART, THAT HAS A A STORAGE FACILITY AND ALSO STORMWATER ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THAT'S ON BABCOCK STREET. AND THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THESE ZONING CHANGES OR APPLICATIONS FOR CONDITIONAL USE. HOWEVER, THEY WERE ALL ALL THESE BUSINESSES ARE HAVE SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO, TALK TO THEIR LEGAL DEPARTMENTS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE, BECAUSE THEY WERE OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE THE INDUSTRY MOVING IN, ESPECIALLY TO CHANGE IT TO THIS WOOD CHIPPING OPERATION.

SO THEY ARE OPPOSED TO TO, TO THE ZONING BECAUSE THAT WHOLE AREA IS ALL MOSTLY RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL, CIRCLE RESIDENTIAL.

AND SO IT WOULD FIT IF IT STAYED RESIDENTIAL.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. MARIANNE.

GOOD NIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MARIANNE GOODWIN, 1591 OAKFIELD AVE, SOUTHEAST.

I WOULD ASK THAT IF IF THE ZONING WAS CHANGED FOR TO THIS PARCEL OF LAND.

AND TO ME IT'S LIKE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

IF THEY IF YOU CHANGE THE ZONING AND THEY DON'T MEET THE CONDITIONAL USES, ARE YOU WILLING TO CHANGE THE ZONING BACK? I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY CHOSE A PIECE OF LAND THAT NEEDED TO BE REZONED WHEN THERE'S OTHER LAND OUT IN I MEAN, BREVARD COUNTY'S HUGE THEY COULD HAVE CHOSE A PIECE OF LAND THAT THEY DO NOT NEED THE ZONING CHANGED FOR.

COULD YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE? THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT THAT? OKAY.

JUST CARRY ON. SO I AM A LICENSED REAL ESTATE AGENT.

AND WITH THIS, BY CHANGING THIS IN THE ZONING AND ALLOWING THE FACILITY, ALTHOUGH IT WILL GO INTO STEP NUMBER FIVE ON THIS ONE, BUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON PROPERTY VALUE BY CHANGING THE ZONING. I MEAN, THERE IS INDUSTRIAL IF THEY DON'T MEET THE CONDITIONAL USES FOR THEIR FACILITY AND IT IS CHANGED TO INDUSTRIAL, A SOMETHING LIKE A BARBERSHOP OR A PRINTING SHOP IN AN INDUSTRIAL ONE IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES AS MUCH AS A RECYCLING FACILITY.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY, VALUES IN OUR COMMUNITY WILL INEVITABLY DECLINE DUE TO THE THE NEGATIVE EXTERNAL INDUSTRIAL OPERATION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FACILITY. APPRAISERS CONSIDER FACTORS SUCH AS NOISE POLLUTION, ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS, INDUSTRIAL LAND USE UNDER THE PRINCIPLES OF EXTERNAL OBSOLESCENCE, WHICH REFERS TO THE PROPERTY VALUE, DEPRECIATION DUE TO EXTERNAL UNCONTROLLED INFLUENCES, THE PRESENCE OF NOISY, DUSTY ODOR PRODUCING AND POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS HAZARDOUS INDUSTRIAL FACILITY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WILL BE VIEWED BY APPRAISERS AS SIGNIFICANT DETRIMENT,

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SO I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE THE COUNCIL DENY THE ZONING CHANGE OR MAKE A STIPULATION THAT IF YOU DO MAKE THE CHANGE AND THEY CANNOT MEET THE CONDITIONAL USES FOR THE PROPERTY, IT REVERTS BACK TO RESIDENTIAL, RURAL.

RESIDENTIAL. WHY OPEN THAT DOOR FOR SOMETHING IT SHOULD NEVER SHOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN OPENED.

THIS COMPANY SHOULD HAVE FOUND LAND THAT SUPPORTS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKER CARDS.

THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL OR MR. MOYER. BEFORE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE TO CARRY ON. THE APPLICANT HAS THE CONCLUDING REMARKS BEFORE WE HAVE MR. MOYER MAKE THE CONCLUDING REMARKS. IF WE COULD BRING BACK UP OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND SO THAT HE WOULD HAVE REMARKS THAT THEN HE COULD RESPOND TO ANYTHING SHE HAS.

HE HAS THE LAST REMARKS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE HEARING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT SO WE CAN CLARIFY WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE CONDITIONS ARE AND THE LONGEVITY OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE REZONING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS AN ISSUE. THANK YOU, MISS SMITH.

SO WHAT MISS SMITH IS REFERRING TO IS THAT IN THIS ORDINANCE, SHOULD IT BE ADOPTED, THE ORDINANCE GOES WITH THE LAND, AS WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHETHER THE OPERATION, THE INDUSTRIAL OPERATION IN THE NORTHERN PROPERTY BECOMES ACTIVE OR NOT, THIS PROPERTY WOULD REMAIN AS IS.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE CONDITION IS STATING THAT THE ENTIRE 15.4 ACRES SHALL BE UTILIZED FOR WETLAND PRESERVATION AS PART OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT WITH SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT USES.

SO, IN ESSENCE, THAT WHOLE 15 ACRES WOULD REMAIN AS OPEN SPACE.

SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT GENERALLY IS IN FAVOR OF PLACING CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON LARGER WETLANDS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH SECONDARY WETLANDS ADJACENT TO IT.

BUT REGARDLESS, IF SAINT JOHNS DOESN'T TAKE IT, THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL PLACE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON PRESERVED LANDS.

SO REGARDLESS, IT'LL STAY. IT WOULD STAY AS A WETLAND PRESERVATION AND THEN PROBABLY A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

HOWEVER, AGAIN, IF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH DOES NOT GET DEVELOPED IN THE INDUSTRIAL USE.

THE THIS ZONING AND THIS CONDITION CONTINUES WITH THIS PROPERTY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND MISS SMITH WANTED ME TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR YOU ALL.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MOYER.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL. SO, YEAH, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT STILL HAVE YET TO HEAR ANY EXPERT TESTIMONY TO THE CONTRARY. THE ONLY EXPERTS I BELIEVE THAT ARE HERE IS YOUR STAFF MEMBER THAT JUST GAVE.

THAT GAVE THE PRESENTATION. THE MISS LISA AND MYSELF.

WE HAVE ZONINGS, LIKE, INDUSTRIAL, NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, ALL OVER THE CITY.

ALL OVER THE COUNTY. HOW DO WE MAKE THEM COMPATIBLE? AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS YOU GO WEST ON FOUNDATION PARKWAY, THE INDUSTRIAL DIRECTLY ABUTS EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S ALREADY ZONED. AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME HERE TO ASK FOR PERMISSION.

THEY CAN GO. DEVELOP THAT AND SUBMIT A SITE PLAN TOMORROW.

SO HOW DO WE MAKE COMPATIBILITY? WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. WE PROVIDE BUFFERS AND WE PROVIDE RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS ON OUR REQUEST, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID. WE HAVE ANYTIME THAT WE ASK TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL.

WE ALWAYS END UP PROVIDING A BUFFER TO RESTRICT THE USE TO REDUCE THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AS I SAID BEFORE, MR. MAYOR, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD SOMEBODY OFFER 1000 FOOT BUFFER? PROBABLY NEVER. SO WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE ZONING AND REZONING.

WE'RE PROVIDING THOSE CONDITIONS TO TO MEET THE COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THAT.

SO AGAIN YOUR PA'S RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. YOUR STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING APPROVAL TONIGHT.

AND THEN GIVING OUR PRESENTATION ON WHY WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THE PROPERTY ON THE NEXT ITEM.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THOSE.

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NO. I'M. I'LL. I'LL MAKE. I GOT IT. I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SAY, SIR.

SO IT FAILED. IT WAS A22 VOTE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.

THANK YOU. I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. SO I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASKING FOR A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND READING.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEY AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, SECOND READING.

THIS IS MORE PROCEDURAL IN NATURE, JUST RATIFYING AND AFFIRMING THE THE PREVIOUS VOTE.

IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAD HEARD NEW EVIDENCE TONIGHT THAT WOULD HAVE A MATERIAL EFFECT. YOU KNOW, COUNSEL COULD MAKE A DECISION TO TO REOPEN THE JUDICIAL HEARING. THERE WAS COMMENTS MADE THAT THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US LAST MEETING, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW OUR COUNSEL.

PROCEDURES ACTUALLY REQUIRE THOSE TO BE SUBMITTED EIGHT DAYS IN ADVANCE.

SO TECHNICALLY, THOSE ITEMS SHOULD HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED IN THE LAST HEARING.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN? YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I WAS A NO LAST TIME. I'LL BE CONSISTENT, AND I WILL BE A NO TONIGHT.

I THINK A QUOTE WAS WAS SAID EARLIER THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE.

AND WE WOULD DO GOOD ON THE COUNCIL TO REMEMBER AND AND THAT IS AS WE GROW AND THERE IS POTENTIAL TO GROW AND WE WILL GROW.

WE SHOULDN'T FORGET SOME OF THE OLDER AREAS OF OUR CITY.

AND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT MADE US ORIGINAL PALM BAY.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SMALL FARMS. THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SMALL FARMS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'M GOING TO STAND WITH THE SMALL FARMERS OVER ANYTHING ELSE.

I SUPPORT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL GROWTH. BUT THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. THERE'S AN AREA TO DO IT.

AND I'M NOT SOLD ON THIS ONE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE TO REZONE A LAND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SOME OF THE FEW SMALL FARMS THAT WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS CITY.

WELL, AND SO HERE LIES MY DECISION, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT.

I DID WANT TO REVIEW EVERYTHING. AND I WANTED TO GO OVER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PROVIDED INFORMATION FROM BACK IN THE 60S AND THE 70S.

THAT WAS VERY INTRIGUING TO ME. AND I. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, DEPUTY MAYOR.

WE WE DO HAVE A POLICY. WE SHOULD HAVE IT EIGHT DAYS BEFOREHAND.

BUT WHEN THESE THINGS ARE GIVEN TO ME, I JUST.

I REACT THAT WAY. I WANT TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

I DO AGREE THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY OPPORTUNITIES ON THIS COUNCIL WHERE YOU COULD TRANSITION AND TO HAVE A THOUSAND THOUSAND FEET AS A BUFFER. I GOTTA TELL YOU MR. MOYER, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE CALLING ME ON THE SPOT FOR THAT BECAUSE I'M.

I'M BIG ON ON THAT TYPE OF TRANSITION, SIR. AND AND SO I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.

I KNOW THAT YOU KEEP JABBING. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

AND SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY. SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY.

PASSES 3 TO 1. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, RESOLUTION 20 2513, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A TREE AND LANDSCAPE RECYCLING FACILITY IN LEE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING.

DISTRICT ZONING. WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO FOUNDATION PARK BOULEVARD.

THE VICINITY WEST OF BABCOCK STREET AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE.

PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK TO MR. MORGAN. YES. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW.

THANK YOU. SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF A TREE AND LANDSCAPE RECYCLING FACILITY IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING DISTRICT.

AS I'VE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL PRIOR, WE HAVE A LIST OF CONDITIONAL USES.

THERE'S A LIST OF SITE DESIGNS THAT NEED TO BE MET IN THIS PARTICULAR FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE OF A WHAT IS THIS TREE AND LANDSCAPE RECYCLING FACILITY.

THE SPECIFIC DESIGN REQUIREMENTS TO BE INSURED THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS INCLUDE A 100 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND A 250 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE FACILITY OPERATIONS AND ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ZONED LAND.

THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING VEGETATION IN ANY BUFFER AREA WILL BE PROHIBITED, EXCEPT FOR EXOTICS SUCH AS BRAZILIAN PEPPER.

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SO IN ORDER FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE TO BE APPROVED, THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED.

THE VEGETATED BUFFERS WILL PROVIDE A VISUAL AND SOUND BARRIER, BUT TO FURTHER PROTECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES FROM THE NOISE PRODUCED, TREE AND LANDSCAPE RECYCLING OPERATIONS ARE RESTRICTED TO 8 A.M.

TO 6 P.M., AND DURING PERMITTED BUSINESS HOURS, THE SOUND LEVELS GENERATED MUST ADHERE TO THE MAXIMUM PERMISSIBLE SOUND LEVELS AS SET FORTH IN TABLE ONE OF SECTION 92.06 OF THE PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

AND NO, I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP. I'M SO SORRY. I MEANT TO, SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT DECIBEL IS, BUT I'M SURE THAT IT IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER LEVEL TO BE GRANTED CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.

ALL REQUESTS ARE EVALUATED UPON REVIEW CRITERIA.

ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX THROUGH EIGHT OF SECTION 170 2.0 24F OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

THIS IS FOLLOWING THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING.

THESE WERE THE APPLICANTS WILLING STATED CONDITIONS THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT.

NO BURNING OF MATERIALS NO PRESSURE. TREATED WOOD DEBRIS MAY BE PROCESSED OR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, IF YOU WILL. THEY WOULD MEET REQUIRED STREET SWEEPING OF FOUNDATION PARK BOULEVARD ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE, AND THE REQUIRED BUFFERS SHALL BE PLACED INTO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.

I WOULD PRESUME CONNECTED TO THE WETLAND CONSERVATION EASEMENT PROVIDING A NICE NATURAL CORRIDOR.

SO WITH THOSE CONDITIONS STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USES.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. THANK YOU. MA'AM. OKAY.

MISTER APPLICANT. YES, SIR. I'M GOING TO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO BRING UP MR. MIKE GRAHAM, WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT. HE'S THE OPERATOR OF THE FACILITY.

SO HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS IN THE PRESENTATION THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. THANK YOU. YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED THE CLICKER.

OH, SORRY, I. GOT Y'ALL GOING TO THE PIT. YEAH.

MICHAEL GRAHAM, 2640 SMITH LANE. THIS IS THE LOGO OF OUR BUSINESS THAT WE WISH TO OPERATE UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY MOTHER AND I THAT STARTED THIS BUSINESS IN 2005.

WE'VE BEEN BUILDING BUSINESS IN PALM BAY FOR 20 YEARS.

WE FOUNDED A FLAWLESS LAWN CARE WHICH EMPLOYED 75 EMPLOYEES.

RECENTLY SOLD TO A COMPANY CALLED JUNIPER, WHO STILL EMPLOYS EMPLOYEES IN PALM BAY.

IN FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE GROWN TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST LAND CLEARING COMPANIES IN THE AREA, AND WE EMPLOY OVER 25 PEOPLE CURRENTLY. LISA CRAMB AGAIN.

MY MOTHER 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE AND MANAGES DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS AS CUSTOMER SERVICE.

SHE'S DRIVEN BY MICHAEL'S VISION, WORKS DILIGENTLY TO FOSTER AN ENVIRONMENT OF HONESTY AND HARD WORKING SERVING EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS, AND THE COMMUNITY. JUST A QUICK SLIDE ABOUT HOW WE GIVE BACK TO PALM BAY AND ARE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WISH NO HARM TO THE COMMUNITY AND ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN IT. MAKING DONATIONS TO JUST RIGHT LIVING.

MAKE A WISH. WE'VE GOT A POOL INSTALLED FOR A NICE FAMILY.

BRING OUR EQUIPMENT OUT TO EVENTS LIKE THE HARLEY-DAVIDSON NIGHTMARE COMMUNITY EVENT.

PALM BAY CHRISTMAS PARADE, YACHT CLUB, KIDS FEST, NANA'S HOUSE, WILD FLORIDA RESCUE, AND MANY MORE.

SOME OF THOSE OUTSIDE OF PALM BAY BUT BREVARD COMMUNITY.

POSITIVE IMPACTS. BUILDING A GREEN ALTERNATIVE TO LANDFILLS.

A GOAL TO REDUCE LANDFILL PRESSURE. EPA IN 2018, 98 MILLION TONS OF GREEN WASTE WENT INTO OUR LANDFILLS.

MULCHING SLASH RECYCLING REDUCES THAT, AS WE ALL KNOW.

THE CURRENT LANDFILL IN SARNO ROAD HAS BEEN OVERFLOWING AND THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE, AND THINGS LIKE THIS WILL HELP ASSIST GROWTH WITHOUT HAVING TO CREATE

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FARMING. ILLEGAL DUMPING IS A BIG ISSUE. COMPOUND IS WELL KNOWN FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING.

SO OPENING FACILITIES THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE COUNTY LANDFILLS WILL HELP AID THAT.

PREVENTING FURTHER DESTRUCTION IN THE COMPOUND.

IN RELATION TO THE FIRE IN 2023. WE SUSPECT IT WAS ARSON.

QUOTING DEP REPRESENTATIVE THAT VISITED THE SITE. IT'S REALLY HARD FOR GREEN DEBRIS TO IGNITE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, THE DEBRIS IS ALL GREEN.

I RECENTLY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING UP THE HURRICANE DEBRIS FROM THE LAST STORM.

IT TOOK THE COMPANY A WHILE TO HIRE US AND GET US ON BOARD, BUT PILES WERE PRESENT IN PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS FOR MONTHS WITH NO ACTIVE FIRES.

THE PALM BAY FIRE DEPARTMENT SPENT 32 MINUTES ON SITE FOR THE INITIAL CALL, THEN LEFT IN CONFIDENCE THAT WE WERE HANDLING IT PROFESSIONALLY, WHICH WE DID WITH NO INCIDENTS. THIS INCLUDED 24 HOUR WATCH BY MYSELF AND STAFF UNTIL THE SMOKE HAD DISSIPATED.

SINCE THE FIRE, WE HAVE ONLY HAD ONE MINOR INCIDENT WHICH DID NOT MEET THE P REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

HOWEVER, WE DID REPORT IT TO AVOID ANY SORT OF OUTSIDE INTERACTION NEGATIVELY.

FIRE PREVENTION. THE PALM BAY FIRE CHIEF INPUT MATTERS.

THE PALM BAY FIRE CHIEF WAS QUESTIONED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 320 MEETING REGARDING ANY CONCERNS FOR THE NEW CENTER.

HE REPLIED TO NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS. THAT WOULD BE AFTER HE WITNESSED US FIGHT THE FIRE THAT EXISTED.

CITY WATER. THE NEW SITE WILL HAVE CITY WATER, FIRE HYDRANTS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

IF THERE WERE TO BE AN ISSUE, DEP REGULATIONS AND INSPECTION FOR FIRE PREVENTION ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

WE HAVE ACTIVE REPORTS. THE FIRE STATION AT 1525 IS OUR NEIGHBOR.

THE FIRE TRUCK. THE RECYCLING CENTER HAS ITS OWN WORKING FIRE TRUCK.

WE TRIED TO ENCOMPASS COMMUNITY AND DO THINGS COOL, LIKE MAKE IT PAW PATROL SO THE KIDS CAN TAKE PICTURES AND ENTER IT IN PARADES AND MAKE AGAIN A BETTER COMMUNITY. MULTI-SPORT LEARNING AS WE GO.

WE'RE NOT PERFECT. NOBODY IS. WHEN WE START BUSINESS, WE HAVE TO LEARN AS WE GO.

IN SOME INSTANCES, WE PURCHASED FOUR SEMI TRUCKS WITH WALKING FLOOR TRAILERS THAT PICTURED IN THE MIDDLE USED SPECIFICALLY FOR HAULING PRODUCT.

WE ALSO HAVE OUTSIDE VENDORS. TODAY WE SOLD 15 LOADS OF MALTS THROUGH AN OUTSIDE VENDOR WHICH IS EXPORTING OF THE GOODS.

MALTS IS ON THE MOVE. WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPORTING TO A CLIENT THAT HAS A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT WITH ONE OF THE NATION'S LARGEST HOME DEPOT IMPROVEMENT STORES.

THEIR DEMAND IS LARGER THAN WE CURRENTLY CAN PRODUCE.

SEE THE EMAIL ABOVE. JUST A SHORT EMAIL FROM THE CURRENT CUSTOMER, WHICH I HAVE CAN RELAY THE NAME IF NEEDED TO YOU GUYS PICTURES OF THE PROCESS IN THE BEGINNING IS WHEN WE FIRST OPENED AND WE DID NOT HAVE THE EXPORTING UNDER CONTROL AS WE GO ALONG.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE EXPORTING UNDER CONTROL.

THERE IS OTHER FILES ON SITE THAT ARE DIRT OR OTHER MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED MULCH.

DIRT IS NOT SPONTANEOUS. COMBUSTIBLE. HOW MULCH IS USED? I ACTUALLY HAD BOUGHT TEN BAGS OF MULCH FROM MY OWN HOME RECENTLY, AND WAS READING THE SCOTT'S INFORMATION, AND IT STATES THAT MOST OF THE MATERIAL IS CREATED WITHIN 100 MILES.

SO THE MOST THAT IS IN YOUR YARD IS VERY SIMILAR OR THE SAME, OR COULD EVEN BE MY MULCH THAT'S IN YOUR YARD.

ALL FOREST PRODUCTS AND COLORING AS WE SEE IN THE PICTURES.

THIS IS OUR GMP INSPECTIONS. THE FIRST LONG LINE.

THEY'RE FIRE REPORTING. OUR ORIGINAL FIRE WAS REPORTED TO THE LOCAL FIRE AUTHORITIES.

BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE WE KNEW THE REPORTING PROCESS.

WE UNINTENTIONALLY DID NOT REPORT IT. HOWEVER, AFTER YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO EDUCATE US, WE RECEIVED A REPORT OF A VERY SMALL INCIDENT WHICH DID NOT EVEN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REPORTING.

HOWEVER, WE DID, GOING FORWARD, WE ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE 100% IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY INCIDENTS AND WANT TO REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE WILL BE REPORTED. JUST SOME NOTES ABOUT THE FIRE ACCESS LANE AND HOW WE MET THAT INTO REQUIREMENT PILES WIDER THAN 100FT.

THE PILES ON OUR SITE ARE NOT WIDER THAN 100FT.

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DUSTIN NOYES WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING A TEMPORARY FACILITY.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE POWER. WE RUN OFF GENERATORS.

INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR NEW FACILITY WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY FORMAL COMPLAINTS OF DUST OR NOISE.

MULTIPLE RESIDENTS HAVE HOMES WITHIN 1000FT, CURRENTLY, SOME AS CLOSE AS 400FT.

THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN HOMES WITHIN 400FT THAT HAVE NOT COMPLAINED ABOUT DUST OR NOISE.

THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES. DURING THE RECENT DEP INSPECTION, IT WAS OBSERVED THAT WE THAT THE DUST AT OUR FACILITY WAS GENERATED FROM THE ROAD ROAD MEANING THE INTAKE ROAD OF OUR MATERIALS AS WELL AS A LOCAL CONSTRUCTION SITE.

NOISE. OUR EQUIPMENT IS CALLED THE BANDIT 3680, WHICH I HAVE THE ACTUAL HERE OF THE DECIBEL RATINGS.

AT FIVE FEET AWAY, IT IS 106DB AT 50FT AWAY. IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S A DECIBEL CALCULATOR OF HOW SOUND TRAVELS, AND THAT'S WITH ZERO OBSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S NO PILES, NO EQUIPMENT, NO NOTHING IN THE WAY.

IF YOU WERE A STRAIGHT LINE OF SIGHT. NO TREES, NO 1000 FOOT BUFFER AGAIN, NO NOTHING AT 50FT AWAY.

IT REDUCES TO 80DB. AT 1000FT AWAY IT REDUCES TO 53.98DB, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED. WE CARE. WE SENT OUR SAMPLES OUT DURING THE LAST MEETINGS. IT WAS A LOT OF TALK OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, SO WE SENT IT TO A LAB AND HAD THE MATERIALS TESTED.

AND IT REPORTS THAT THEY'RE ALL ORGANIC AND THERE IS NO OUTSIDE CONTAMINANTS.

EPA GUIDELINES. RCRA RESOURCE CONSERVATION AND RECOVERY ACT IS A FEDERAL LAW THAT REGULATES THE SAFE MANAGEMENT OF HAZARDOUS WASTE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR SOIL, WATER, AND AIR. THERE'S A SPECIFIC GROUP OF EIGHT HEAVY METALS THAT ARE REGULATED UNDER THE RCRA.

THE EPA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING RCRA REGULATIONS, INCLUDING THOSE RELATED TO THE RC R.R EIGHT MEDALS TO ENSURE SAFETY FOR SOIL, WATER AND AIR. AND THESE ARE THE RESULTS OF THE TESTS.

WE ONLY PROCESS VIRGIN WOOD, AND THE CENTER AT THE CENTER DOES NOT ACCEPT OR PROCESS PRESSURE TREATED WOOD OR GARBAGE.

THE LAB WE USE DOES NOT TEST FOR SILVER. HOWEVER, THE EXTRA TESTING OF NITROGEN LEVELS INDICATE ZERO TOXIC CHEMICALS.

AND WITH THE PROCESSING OF FORM OF VIRGIN WOOD.

SUMMARY. LOCAL COMMUNITY BASED PEOPLE CREATING JOB OPPORTUNITIES I PERSONALLY DON'T RESIDE IN PALM BAY.

MY MOTHER DOES, AND I OWN MULTIPLE PIECES OF REAL ESTATE IN PALM BAY.

SO I DO CARE ABOUT THE CITY. I GREW UP HERE AND I INTEND TO CONTINUE TO CARE ABOUT THE CITY.

WE ARE PROUD TO SAY WE HAVE A CONTRACT CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY FOR FIVE YEARS.

WE WERE ACTUALLY RELIEVED OF OUR DUTY AND THEN REHIRED FOR THE QUALITY OF OUR WORK.

GREEN RECYCLING CENTERS HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. PRETTY MUCH WITH THIS POWERPOINT WAS PRESENTING AND SHOWS IT IN MANY WAYS.

THE PALM BAY CHIEF QUOTED NO REASON TO BE CONCERNED.

THE RECYCLE WE CREATED IS ALREADY IN OUR YARDS, SO IT'S NOT TOXIC.

THE CURRENT MOST DEMAND IS LARGER THAN WE CAN SUPPLY.

THEY TEXT US, CALL US DAILY, GIVE US MORE MULCH, GIVE US MORE MOLDS.

SO IMPORTING EXPORT IS OUR MISSION. AND WE ARE A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.

A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS THAT BENEFITS THE CITY.

I THINK WE KNOW THAT IT'S PRETTY HARD TO RUN A BUSINESS SUCH AS THIS WITHOUT A PROFIT.

THE DEP PERFORMED INSPECTION ON 325 DOCUMENTED.

OUR SITE WAS WELL RUN AND MAINTAINED SITE AND CURRENTLY 100% IN COMPLIANCE.

THESE GUYS TRAVEL THE ENTIRE STATE LOOKING AT SITES WE PRESENTED BEFORE, AND SHOWED THAT HE HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT US.

WE HAD A FEW MINOR TWEAKS AS EXPECTED, BUT EVERYTHING WAS IN LINE.

THE DUST FROM GRINDING IS MINIMAL. OUR NEW FACILITY WILL HAVE WATER CONTROL AND AID TO COMBAT THE ROAD DUST.

CURRENTLY, WITH OUR WATER TRUCK, WE HAVE NO WELL, WE HAVE NO POWER, SO WE HAVE TO TRAVEL ACROSS TOWN TO GET WATER AND THEN BRING IT BACK, WHICH MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO CURRENTLY APPLY MORE WATER.

AGAIN, HAVING HOOKUPS TO FIRE HYDRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OUR INTENTION IS TO WATER THE ROADS DAILY. IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST.

I BREATHE IT, I'M IN IT EVERY DAY, AS WELL AS EVERY ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES THAT I CARE ABOUT.

AND WE WANT TO CREATE THE BEST ENVIRONMENT NOT ONLY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

THE NOISE CONCERNS IS ADDRESSED BY THE FACTORY TEST. DUST READINGS ARE WITHIN PALM BAY NOISE CODE 92 TESTED ACCORDING

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD. OKAY. SPEAKER CALLS THE AGREE PARTY. VERNON. DENZLER. YEAH. OKAY.

SO, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME GET THIS UP A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN SPEAK CLOSER TO IT.

FIRST OF ALL, I FIND IT IRONIC THAT IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS MEETING, WE STARTED OFF WITH IT BEING WATER CONSERVATION MONTH AND TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING OUR WATER AND TALKING ABOUT NOT CONTAMINATING OUR WATER AND OUR WETLANDS.

AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO BE DOING INDUSTRIAL MULCHING ON TOP OF A WETLAND.

KIND OF INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT IT. SO MUCH OF WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.

AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND BRINGING UP MY VERSION OF THEIR PRESENTATION.

IT'S SMOKE AND MIRRORS. KEY MISSING. KEY INFORMATION IS MISSING.

YEAH. MR. MISREPRESENTED. IMPORTANT DETAILS YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION ARE MISSING.

AND YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHY. I'M REMINDED OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE SCENES FROM MY COUSIN VINNY.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S SEEN THAT MOVIE WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW THE PROSECUTION HAS TO BUILD THEIR CASE LIKE A HOUSE, RIGHT? HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE BRICKS, AND HE'S GOT THE CARD UP, AND HE SAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU IT'S ALL PRETTY ON THE OUTSIDE, AND IT'S THIS PERFECT BRICK, RIGHT? BUT THEN WHEN YOU LAY IT ON ITS SIDE, IT'S AS THIN AS THE PLAYING CARD.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO FIRST. THAT'S NICE. I'M GLAD THEY'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE IN CUTTING DOWN TREES AND CUTTING GRASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHAT ARE THEIR QUALIFICATIONS FOR RUNNING A MULCHING PLANT? HE SAID THEY'RE LEARNING WELL, THEY'RE LEARNING AT OUR EXPENSE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LEARN AT OUR EXPENSE.

SO WHAT ARE THEIR QUALIFICATIONS? WHERE IS THEIR EXPERT NOW? MR. MOIR SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXPERT TESTIMONY.

FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE EXPERT TESTIMONY.

LAYPEOPLE CAN PROVIDE FACTS AND YOU SHOULD TAKE THOSE FACTS AS FACTS.

YOU HAVE NOW JUST BEEN PRESENTED WITH A PLAN THAT SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN IT, TO SEE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONAL USES.

AND THEY BROUGHT NOTHING. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE HERE TO SAY THAT THEY MEET ANY OF THESE CONDITIONAL USES.

THEY TALKED ABOUT IT. THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE.

THE CITY TALKED ABOUT IT. HE DIDN'T SAY, HERE'S HOW I'M GOING TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS.

HERE'S WHAT THIS FENCE OPAQUE FENCE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW I'M GOING TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT JUST BASED ON THAT.

THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE. THEY HAVE A FEEL GOOD PRESENTATION.

SO WHERE'S THEIR EXPERT. DO THEY HAVE AN EXPERT THAT THEY ARE CONSULTING WITH BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT.

ANYONE DO YOU HAVE AN EXPERT, SIR? DIRECT YOU? I CAN CROSS-EXAMINE, I GUESS I NEED TO PULL HIM UP AND CROSS-EXAMINE EACH ONE OF THESE.

I'M GLAD THAT THEY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS AS ANYTHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USE OR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YES. IT IS A GREAT THING TO RECYCLE.

NOBODY AT ALL IS SAYING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT OR WE'RE SAYING IT DOES NOT FIT IN THE LOCATION.

IT DOES NOT MEET OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WE HAVE AGAIN SEEN NOTHING OF EVIDENCE OF HOW THEY ARE GOING TO MEET THE CONDITIONAL USE. IT'S ALL TALK. AND YES, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON IT. THE FIVE. SO HE'S SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT WAS GREEN IT CAN'T SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST. UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REPORT IT TO DEP.

DEP COULDN'T COME OUT AND ACTUALLY DO AN ASSESSMENT.

I SPOKE WITH DOCTOR KANE AND HE SAID HE WISHED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE REPORTED IT, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE DONE AN INVESTIGATION AND BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TRUE CAUSE WAS. SO TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT IT WAS NOT SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

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AND I GAVE YOU THE PDF WAS INCLUDED IN THE IN THE MATERIAL THAT I SENT EARLIER FOR THAT SECOND ONE.

SO IT CAN HAPPEN. IT DOES HAPPEN. SO TO FLAT OUT SAY THAT THAT WASN'T THE CAUSE.

THAT'S NOT FACTUAL. THAT IS NOT TRUE. THEY MAY SUSPECT ARSON, BUT THEY CAN'T PROVE IT.

THERE'S NO PROOF OF THAT. NOT EVIDENCE. SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS ANYTHING.

I THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE TRUCK AND WANT TO DO STUFF FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LONG UNTIL I GET CAUGHT. THEY'RE USING TRADEMARKED LOGOS ON A ON A TRUCK AND HOPING THAT THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE TRADEMARK ISN'T GOING TO GO AFTER THEM.

AND WE'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH THEM. THEY DIDN'T ORIGINALLY HAVE A DEP PERMIT UNTIL THEY GOT CAUGHT.

TALKING ABOUT THE MULCH EXPORT. WHAT WE DIDN'T HEAR IS, YOU KNOW, HE SAID, I'LL TELL YOU WHO THE CUSTOMER IS.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY. IT'S A BIG SECRET. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PACKAGE.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING PRESENTED. HOW DO WE CONTACT SAID? CONTACT US IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION. WELL, I'D LOVE TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION. WHAT ABOUT THE MATERIAL THAT ISN'T MULCH? WHEN I SPOKE WITH DOCTOR CAIN, HE SAID THAT THERE'S MATERIALS THAT CAN'T BE PROCESSED, HAVE TO BE PUT INTO THE LANDFILL WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND. YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT ANY OF THAT.

HE SAID ALL THE SMALL DEBRIS HAS TO BE GONE, HAS TO BE PROCESSED OR REMOVED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

ANYTHING THAT'S LARGER, THE BIG TREES, THEY HAVE 18 MONTHS PROCESSED OR REMOVED.

WE'VE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THAT. LAST YEAR THEY SUPPOSEDLY, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THEIR OFFICIAL REPORT, THEIR SWORN REPORT TO DEP, THEY PROCESSED AND REMOVED 50,000YD³ OF MULCH.

THAT'S TEN TRUCKS A DAY IF YOU COUNT FOR HOLIDAYS AND AND WEEKENDS.

TEN TRUCKS A DAY. NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO DO MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE DEMAND.

HOW MUCH MORE? THEY HAVEN'T TOLD US. HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON THE STREETS? AND WITH TRUCKS WAITING OUTSIDE DOWN FOUNDATION WITH THEIR ENGINES RUNNING, AND WHICH AGAIN DOES NOT MEET CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS IF THEY'RE DOING THOSE THINGS.

HOW DO WE KNOW? WE DON'T BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T TOLD US.

BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PRESENTED ANY FACTS, ANY PLANS, ANY ANYTHING.

SO HOW MANY MORE TRUCKS IS IT? OVER TEN. AND THEN FOR THERE TO BE TEN PLUS WHATEVER THIS NEW BUSINESS IS REMOVING THAT MATERIAL EVERY DAY.

HOW MUCH IS COMING IN? HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE WAITING TO DROP THINGS OFF? WHAT IS THAT IMPACT? WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD ANYTHING.

KIND OF INTERESTING. HE'S. SO BETWEEN THAT. OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS CUSTOMER THAT SELLS TO THESE PEOPLE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE CUSTOMER IS. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO IT. AND THEN I BUY A BAG OF MULCH AND IT SAYS, WELL IT COMES FROM, FROM 100 MILES. AND SO HE'S TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE BAGS OF MULCH AT HOME DEPOT ARE ALL HIS MATERIAL.

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THE COMPANY HE'S SELLING TO IS EVEN SELLING TO SCOTT.

I WENT AND LOOKED IT UP. SCOTT'S HAS TWO FACILITIES THAT THEY GET MULCH FROM ONE DOWN SOUTH.

LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LOCATION. LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE WEST OF WEST PALM AND ONE SOMEWHERE NEAR GAINESVILLE.

IT LOOKS LIKE TWO IN FLORIDA. SO UNLESS HE'S SELLING TO ONE OF THOSE TWO PLACES, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING SHOWING THAT THIS IS TRUE, RIGHT? IT MAKE US FEEL GOOD, BUT NO EVIDENCE AGAIN. SO THEY WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. THIS LAST MEETING OR THIS LAST INSPECTION, THEY HAD BROUGHT THEM BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE STILL LEARNING AT OUR EXPENSE.

OKAY. THE DP AGAIN DID NOT SAY THAT THE DUST CAME FROM THE CONSTRUCTION.

THEY SAID IT COULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE DUST, BUT THEY DID NOT SAY WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM.

THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB BECAUSE NOBODY HAD FILED A COMPLAINT.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DB RATINGS ON ANYTHING OFFICIAL.

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I CANNOT GET TRUE INFORMATION. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IN OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THEIR FIRST ENGINEER, HE SHOWED A VIDEO WHERE HE DID HIS OWN READINGS AND SHOWED PICTURES AND IT WAS 110DB, AND HE WAS PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM THE MACHINE.

AND WE GOT A VIDEO LATER. YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THESE THINGS IN OPERATION, NOT HIS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE COULDN'T GET THEIRS, BUT JUST ONE OPERATION. AND I'M GOING TO BRING NATALIE UP TO TALK TO THIS, BUT APPARENTLY THIS IS WHAT THEY DID IS ABOUT.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S LEFT THE BUILDING, NOT WHAT'S LEFT THE FACILITY, NOT WHAT'S SITTING ON THE GROUND, BUT WHAT YOU YOU FOUND. HAVE THIS THESE TEST RESULTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THIS OPERATION COMPLIANT WITH EPA AND THE DEP.

SO THAT'S TIMBER PRODUCTS. SO WHAT I DID IS I INVESTIGATED TIMBER PRODUCTS AND I CALLED THEM UP AND I SPOKE TO THEIR DIRECTOR OF LABORATORIES, CHRIS WIBERG.

SO THEY DO TEST WOOD PRODUCTS. THEY TEST WOOD PRODUCTS FOR BIOMASS BURNING AND FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, BUT THEY DO NOT TEST FOR ORGANIC MULCH OR PATHOGENS, AND I DO NOT DO ANY TESTING FOR ORGANIC MULCH PRODUCTS, PERIOD. SO THAT TEST RIGHT THERE IS FOR A BIOMASS BURNING MULCH PRODUCT. THEY SENT 22. 2 POUNDS TO BE TESTED.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THEIR ANALYTICAL REPORT. AND IT TESTS ALL THE METALS.

AND THE TESTING IS ONLY AT THAT FACILITY FOR BIOMASS FUEL USE, NOT AGRICULTURAL.

AND ANY OF THE TESTING THEY DO IS NOT APPLICABLE APPLICABLE TO AN EPA MULCH AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT.

SO THAT'S A THAT TEST IS BOGUS. THE OTHER THING IS ACOUSTICS.

WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT HERE. YOU KNOW ASSESSMENT FROM TREESCAPE AND A GUNSHOT IS 120DB. A WOOD CHIPPER IS 100 TO 110DB, AND IT'S A HEARING LOSS ISSUE, AND A GUNSHOT IS INSTANTANEOUS.

WOOD CHIPPER, 1 TO 15 MINUTES AT 100 AND 110DB.

AND A HEAVY TRUCK IS ABOUT 90DB. SO THE DECIBEL AREA HERE, I MEAN, IS MISREPRESENTED TOTALLY.

THE OTHER THING I FIND IS THAT THE COMBUSTIBLE MULCH OF THE PRODUCT ITSELF.

LAST YEAR THERE WERE 14,000 FIRES ACROSS THE US.

YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT. ALL MULCH COMBUSTIBLE. AND ALSO, I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE MAYOR WAS NOT THE MAYOR, BUT THE FIRE CHIEF WAS UP HERE.

AND THEY SAID THAT HE HAD NO CONCERNS OVER FIRE.

WELL, THAT FIRE, THE BIG FIRE THEY HAD HERE IT WAS A CALM NIGHT, AND THEY IT WAS LIKE A BARBECUE. THEY STAYED THERE FOR THREE DAYS PUTTING THAT FIRE OUT.

IF THAT WIND HAD BEEN LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, THERE WAS NO WAY ANY OF THOSE SURROUNDING AREA APARTMENTS WOULD STILL BE THERE AT TEN TO 10 TO 20 MILES AN HOUR, THOSE SPARKS WOULD HAVE BEEN EVERYWHERE.

YEP, THAT WHOLE AREA WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE CALIFORNIA.

AND WE DO HAVE DRY SPELLS HERE IN FLORIDA, AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN CONTROL THE FIRE ONCE THE ONCE THE WIND GETS UP TO OVER TEN MILES AN HOUR. SO SOME SOME OF THESE ASSESSMENTS THAT WE SEE IN THAT THEY ARE FALSE AND MISLEADING.

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WELL LET ME FINISH ONE OTHER THING. THE OTHER PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE FIRE STARTED.

SUPPOSEDLY, IF WE BLAME AN ARSONIST, WE HAVE FOUND THE CAUSE.

AND IT MAKES IT MORE PALATABLE TO ABSORB THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE.

WELL, NOW WE HAVE A MULCH. BIG MULCH PILES. AND IT'S A MAGNET FOR ARSONISTS, MAYBE.

AND ALSO WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION.

WE HAVE TWO TWO ISSUES GOING ON. SO IT'S NOT ONE IS GOING TO BE A FIRE, BUT THERE WILL BE A FIRE AT THIS FACILITY AGAIN.

AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTAMINANTS THAT IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, THAT WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING PRESSURE TREATED WOOD. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT CONTAMINANTS HAPPEN FROM THE NATURAL PROCESSING OF NATURAL VIRGIN WOOD.

SO REAL QUICK IN SUMMARY BECAUSE MY WIFE'S GOT SOME THINGS HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS THAT THEY MISREPRESENTED WHAT DOCTOR CAIN SAID.

AND HE WAS VERY OFFENDED BY IT. HE SAID HE WOULD NEVER MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, THAT THE FACILITY IS OPERATING. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING? HE SAID. ALL I SAID AND ALL THAT'S IN MY LETTER IS THAT THEY ARE BACK IN COMPLIANCE.

HE DID NOT SAY IT'S A GOOD OPERATION. HE DID NOT DO THAT.

HE SAID, I'M A STATE EMPLOYEE. I WILL NOT DO THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO LET RACHEL COME AND TALK VERY QUICKLY.

I HAVE A PRESENTATION. IT'S CALLED THE HEALTH HAZARDS OF AN INDUSTRIAL WOOD WASTE FACILITY.

AND I MIGHT BE TALKING A LITTLE FAST.

HERE. SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW HOW I'M QUALIFIED.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TOLD I'M NOT QUALIFIED. MY EDUCATION AND THIS IS RELEVANT FOR THIS SITUATION, FOR HAZARDS. I HAVE A MASTER'S OF SOCIAL WORK IN HEALTH CARE.

IT'S A CONCENTRATION FROM WVU. I WAS A MEDICAL SOCIAL WORKER.

TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS. I HAVE MY SPECIALIST IN EDUCATION DEGREE.

THAT'S BASICALLY. I'VE DONE ALL THE COURSES REQUIRED FOR MY DOCTORATE, SO THEY GAVE ME THIS DEGREE IN SCIENCE EDUCATION.

I AM ALSO RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY A PHD STUDENT IN STEM EDUCATION AT FLORIDA TECH.

SO I'VE GOT MY EDITORS FROM THERE AND I AM NOW CURRENTLY A STUDENT AS WELL.

AGAIN, I WAS MEDICAL SOCIAL WORKER AT TWO HOSPITALS.

I'VE ALSO COORDINATED DISABILITY SERVICES FOR OVER 30 YEARS FOR STUDENTS AT THE ELEMENTARY, HIGH SCHOOL, AND COLLEGE LEVEL. WHY IS THAT PERTINENT IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT SOME DISABILITIES THAT ARE A RESULT OF HAZARDS FROM THE WOOD RECYCLING PLACE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL CONDITIONS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT IN THERE SO THAT YOU DON'T THINK I'M JUST SOME WIFE TALKING TONIGHT.

I ACTUALLY DO THINGS. THERE'S TWO THINGS WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THIS STUDY.

FIRST, I'M CONCERNED WITH IT NOT MEETING THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL.

FOR D, ADEQUATE SCREENING AND BUFFERING WILL BE PROVIDED TO PROTECT AND PROVIDE COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

AND THEN G THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A NEW NUISANCE OR HAZARD MEANING NOISE, FUME, GENERATIONS, CONTAMINATION, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO THIS IS A CAUTIONARY TALE FROM HOWARD COUNTY, MARYLAND.

THEY DEALT WITH THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.

THEY FIRST HAD A FACILITY THAT WAS UNPERMITTED, AND THEY HAD RESIDENTS HAVING HEALTH ISSUES FROM THE WOOD RECYCLING PLACE.

THEN THEY HAD ANOTHER COMPANY WHILE THEY HAD A TASK FORCE OUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THESE HEALTH HAZARDS FOR THEIR CITIZENS.

THEY HAD A CONDITIONAL USE COME UP FOR THEIR COUNTY COUNCIL FOR AN INDUSTRIAL WOOD WASTE FACILITY.

AND THESE SITUATIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE EXPERTS WHO PRESENTED IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE EXACT WORDS OF AN ONCOLOGIST FROM JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY TELLING YOU WHAT THEIR HEALTH CONDITION, YOU KNOW, HEALTH HAZARDS ARE. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A GEOLOGIST THAT'S GOING TO TELL YOU HOW THE PROCESS WITH THEM WATERING DOWN THE MULCH AND THE RAIN ACTUALLY CREATES A SUBSTANCE THAT GOES INTO THE SOIL, CHANGES THE SOIL CONTENT, AND RELEASES METALS FROM THE SOIL.

THOSE METALS GO INTO THAT RUNOFF AND THEY GO INTO OUR WATER TABLE.

IT'S CALLED MANGANESE. MANGANESE CAN CAUSE THINGS LIKE PARKINSON'S AUTISM AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THIS, THIS LEACHING INTO THE GROUND. THEY, THEY'VE DONE STUDIES WHERE SAWDUST CAN GO INTO THE GROUND WITHIN 24 HOURS OF DOING THIS.

SO IT'S IT REALLY CAN HAPPEN QUICKLY. SO THIS IS DOCTOR DELA CRUZ.

I CAN NEVER PRONOUNCE HIS NAME, BUT HE IS THE ONCOLOGIST FROM JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY.

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INFECTIOUS AGENTS. SO YOU CAN INHALE FUNGAL SPORES AND BACTERIA.

THERE'S ALSO ALLERGIC EFFECTS. YOU CAN GET CANCER FROM WOOD DUST.

AND THERE'S A LOT WITH EXPOSURE AND RISK. HE STATES THAT THERE'S SEVERAL SEVERAL STUDIES IN MEDICAL LITERATURE THAT TALK ABOUT THESE INFECTIOUS AGENTS, FROM THESE FUNGAL SPORES IN THIS MULCH, SMARTWATCH AND THAT IT'S DANGEROUS FOR IMMUNE COMPROMISED PEOPLE.

AND THAT. THIS PNEUMONIA IS BASICALLY YOU GET THAT FROM EXPOSURE, YOU'RE INHALING THE MULCH.

SO HE STATES THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION, EXPOSURE TO WOOD DUST HAS LONG BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH A VARIETY OF ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS.

DERMATITIS, WHICH IS SKIN STUFF, ALLERGIC RESPIRATORY EFFECTS, MUCOSAL AND NON-ALLERGIC RESPIRATORY EFFECTS, AND CANCER. HE EVEN CITES A PAPER WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT WOOD DUST EXPOSURE CAN CREATE THINGS LIKE ASTHMA AND COUGHING AND BRONCHITIS. HE CITES CDC TALKING AGAIN ABOUT WOOD DUST AND FORMS OF CANCER AND CANCER OF THE NASAL CAVITY. SO WOOD DUST IS BEING SHOWN AS A CARCINOGEN AND A CAUSE OF CANCER FOR PEOPLE WHO GET EXPOSED.

IT'S ALSO LUNG CANCER AS WELL. AND HODGKIN'S LYMPHOMA.

SO THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT MEDICAL LITERATURE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF EMISSIONS FROM WASTE FACILITIES.

SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTICLES THAT GET INTO YOUR LUNGS AND YOU GET ILL AND YOU GET SICK.

DUST EMISSIONS FROM OPEN PILES OF MULCH WASTE CAN BE MEASURED AT DISTANCES OVER 1500 FEET.

BY THE WAY, WE'RE ALL WITHIN 500IN OUR RESIDENCES RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY TALK ABOUT MOLDS, FUNGI, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

THEY SAY THAT IS OVER 1000FT. THEY FOUND THAT WITH GETTING THOSE SPORES IN YOUR LUNGS.

AND THEN SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN OVER THREE MILES, AND YOU WILL SEE A CASE STUDY THAT SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE WERE GETTING SICK AND THEY WERE INGESTING THIS STUFF THREE MILES AWAY. SO HE JUST SAYS THAT BASICALLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT IT CAN POSE HEALTH HAZARDS FOR PEOPLE.

THIS IS THE WOODBINE CASE STUDY. THIS IS WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.

THE UNAPPROVED FACILITY THAT OPERATED FOR SEVERAL YEARS YEARS.

RESIDENTS SUBMIT AT LEAST 17 REQUESTS FOR ZONING INSPECTION, COMPLAINTS FOR HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.

THEY DID INFORMAL STUDIES. THEY MAPPED WHERE THESE PEOPLE WERE.

THE FACILITY WAS ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THERE WERE RURAL CONSERVATION, AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING A MULCH RECYCLING PLACE.

SO NINE REQUESTS, ALL WITH HEALTH ISSUES. THEY WERE ALL OVER 51 YEARS OLD.

TWO OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY RESIDENTS AT JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL.

AND THEY FOUND WOOD PARTICLE MATTER IN THEIR RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.

AND AND YOU'LL SEE THIS HERE IN A MINUTE. THE DISTANCE IS OVER THREE MILES FROM THE LONGEST PERSON.

THERE ARE OTHER ALSO OTHER REQUESTS THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC POLLUTION, DECLINE IN AIR QUALITY, ODOR. THE THING WAS LOUDER THAN A COMBINE. VIBRATIONS FROM THE GRINDING EQUIPMENT.

AND THIS WAS OCCURRING 6 TO 7 TIMES A DAY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE DUST AND ODOR DISTRIBUTION.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED THAT WENT TO JOHNS HOPKINS WAS 3.2 MILES AWAY, AND HE HAD BOTH DUST AND ODOR.

SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, IN A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, RESIDENTS AND LIVESTOCK WERE SHOWING SYMPTOMS COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH FUNGAL SPORE CONTAMINATION AND WOOD DUST INHALATION. SO NOT ONLY PEOPLE ARE GETTING INFECTED, IT'S THE LIVESTOCK.

AND WE HAVE LIVESTOCK. SO WHILE THEY WERE TRYING TO GO WITH OUR TASK FORCE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING, THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING. YOU WILL HEAR FROM SOMEONE HERE.

JEFF HARP, HE IS A GEOLOGIST, AND HE'S GOING TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WATER GETS CONTAMINATED.

SO RECENTLY PUBLISHED RESEARCH IDENTIFIES EXPOSURE TO MANGANESE, AND MANGANESE IS LIKE A SILVERY METAL.

IT'S FOUND NATURALLY IN SOIL. AND SO WHEN THIS RUNOFF GOES FROM THE MULCH PILES, IT'S RIGHT UNDER THE MULCH PILES.

IT GOES INTO THE SOIL. AND BECAUSE OF ITS COMPONENTS, MINUTES.

IT TAKES BASICALLY ALL THE OXYGEN AWAY FROM THE SOIL.

THEN THE MANGANESE GETS ATTRACTED TO THAT RUNOFF AND IT GETS SUSPENDED IN THE RUNOFF, AND THEN THE RUNOFF GOES INTO THE WATER TABLE.

SO IT GETS OUR WATER, IT GETS OUR WELL WATER.

SO HE MENTIONS FOUR DIFFERENT SITES. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF THEM BUT DETAIL.

BUT IN NEW YORK STATE THEY LOOKED AT 12 MULCH NATURAL VEGETATIVE COMPOSTING FACILITIES.

THEY FOUND ELEVATED LEVELS OF MANGANESE. IN FACT, THEY HAD TO GET THE PEOPLE WITH WELL WATER ONTO THE MUNICIPAL WATER.

AND IT WAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THE STUDY I SHOWED YOU THE LAST TIME, HE ALSO QUOTES IT TOO.

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AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIED MANGANESE IN THE GROUNDWATER.

SO I'LL FAST FORWARD THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF HERE.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. NOW I'M, LIKE, LOSING MYSELF HERE.

OKAY. SO THERE'S TESTIMONY FROM THE SAME CANCER.

THE ONCOLOGIST. HE SAID THERE WAS TWO PRIMARY HAZARDS WITH THIS EXPOSURE THROUGH THE THE FUNGI.

THAT'S THE SPORES AND THE CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS OF THE WOOD DUST.

HE SAYS ALTHOUGH WE THINK OF WOOD FRAGMENTS AS SOMETHING NATURAL, THE AMOUNT, THE TYPE AND STORAGE OF MATERIALS THAT ARE GENERATED IN AN INDUSTRIAL MULCH FACILITY ARE NO LONGER ON THE SCALE THAT WE WOULD ENCOUNTER NATURALLY OR THAT ARE INHERENTLY SAFE.

THESE ARE NOT THEORETICAL RISKS I'VE SHARED WITH YOU IN MY SUBMITTED TESTIMONY.

A CASE OF REPORT OF A HEALTHY, RETIRED GENTLEMAN THAT DEVELOPED FUNGAL PNEUMONIA AFTER EXPOSURE TO MULCH.

HE DEVELOPED KIDNEY INJURY AND FAILURE AND DIED MONTHS LATER.

IT WAS CLEAR THAT FUNGAL SPORES FROM MULCH WERE THE ROOT OF THE INFECTION.

AND THAT'S THE CASE STUDY THAT HE SHOWED WOOD DUST HAS BEEN CHARACTERIZED BY.

BY WHO AND CDC AS A CARCINOGEN. HE KEEPS ON TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'VE.

ASSOCIATED THIS WITH CANCER. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PAPERS THAT DOCUMENT THIS.

AND HE KEEPS ON TALKING ABOUT IT. OF COURSE, HE'S AN ONCOLOGIST. HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE CANCERS THAT THIS CAN CAUSE. AND HE SAYS TO ALLOW EXPOSURE TO INFECTIOUS AND CARCINOGENIC AGENTS FROM THIS TYPE OF FACILITY TO A LARGE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, DOES NOT SEEM TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS WOULD MAKE DAYTON THE EQUIVALENT OF A PETRI DISH OF HEALTH EXPERIMENTATION.

SO I SPOKE WITH THE GEOLOGIST AND HIS STATEMENT TO ME WAS IF A RESIDENTIAL POTABLE WELL IS LOCATED NEARBY AND OR CONNECTED TO THE FRACTURE, THEN THE MANGANESE WOULD BE PRESENT IN THE WATER AND THE RESIDENT POTENTIALLY EXPOSED.

AND THEN HE STATES IT'S AN EQUATION WITH HOW TO DO FLOW AND WITH WATER THAT, THAT THEY USE.

BUT HE SAID HE WOULD ANTICIPATE MIGRATION TO AT LEAST 1500FT FOR FOUNDATION PARK.

THERE ARE RESIDENTS ON WELL WATER WITHIN 500FT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE BEST AND EASIEST WAY TO ADDRESS WOOD WASTE RECYCLING FACILITIES TO KEEP THEM IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

HOWEVER, THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS NEED TO BE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO EXPOSURE TO PATHWAYS TO WATER SUPPLY.

SO THE CONCLUSION IS WATER FROM SPRAYING MULCH ON THESE PILES AND RAINWATER CREATES A GEOCHEMICAL REACTION THAT OCCURS IN THE SOIL, WHICH RELEASES MANGANESE, WHICH CONTAMINATES GROUNDWATER.

THE RELEASE IS A GEOCHEMICAL REACTION CAUSED BY THE WOOD WASTE, NOT CONTAMINATION THE WOOD WASTE.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. HE COULD HAVE A VIRGIN FOREST, BUT THIS IS A NATURAL THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SPRAY THAT DOWN SO HE CAN TELL YOU IT'S PURE AS CAN BE, BUT THE SAME REACTION IS STILL GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT MANGANESE GO INTO THAT WATER.

MANGANESE RESULTS IN NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS SUCH AS PARKINSON'S.

AT THE DEP INSPECTION THAT THEY HAD ON MARCH 5TH, THEY'RE USING A FIRE TRUCK.

THEY'RE APPLYING WATER TO CONTROL THE DUST. THEY ARE PUTTING THIS INTO THE GROUND.

ALSO TO ANOTHER THING WITH THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE'S AN AIRBORNE EXPOSURE.

SO PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN SICK OFF OF THE FUNGAL SPORES AND THE BACTERIA.

IN THE WOODBINE CASE, ONE OF THE VICTIMS WAS AS FAR AWAY AS 3.2 MILES.

AND THEN ALSO JUST THAT THE WOOD DUST YOU CAN GET ASTHMA, BRONCHITIS, CANCER.

THERE'S JUST SO MUCH STUFF THERE THAT I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH.

THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT SOMEBODY CAN CAN BE IMPACTED THROUGH THROUGH THE AIR AND ALSO THROUGH THE WATER TABLE.

AND THE THING IS, OUR WELLS, THAT'S THE SAME AQUIFER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THOSE WETLANDS, THAT'S GOING THROUGH OUR WELLS. SO THANK YOU.

I WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT. WE DID AN INTERVIEW WITH IRENE GREEN, MURPHY AND I IN THE RESIDENTS AROUND THE EMERALD APARTMENTS, AROUND THE MULCHING OPERATION WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED.

AND I TALKED TO WE TALKED TO SOME RESIDENTS THERE, ABOUT SIX RESIDENTS.

AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE VULNERABLE, VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK TO THEM AND THEY WOULD NOT GIVE THEIR NAMES.

HOWEVER, DUST WAS APPARENT EVERYWHERE ON ALL THEIR AUTOMOBILES.

AND THEY ALL SAID ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE SAID THEY DID NOT GO OUTSIDE.

THEY SPENT THEIR TIME INSIDE BECAUSE OF THE DUST.

AND I SPOKE TO EMAILED PHIL AT DEP HE SAID HE WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, BUT WE SHOULD FILE A COMPLAINT DIRECTLY WITH THEM WITH A DEP UPON THE FINDINGS, WHICH WE INTEND TO DO.

AND THEN IN OUR LAST COUPLE SECONDS, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE THE BANDIT BEAST.

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THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY. SUSAN CONLEY, MARY ANN, CAN I JUST GET UP FOR A SECOND? AND JUST QUICKLY, WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL. EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DUST AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US.

THERE ARE THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

WE'RE TALKING OUR CHILDREN. MAYBE RESULTS OF THESE HEALTH ISSUES MAY NOT SHOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT WE'RE TALKING CHILDREN, LITTLE BABIES OUT THERE PLAYING AT THEIR RECESS WITH THEIR TEACHERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE BREATHING HEAVY, RUNNING AROUND.

THEY'RE GOING TO BREATHE THIS IN. WE HAVE COLUMBIA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

PALM BAY ACADEMY AND THE ONE WELL RIGHT OVER AT THE POOL.

WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID THERE IS ALSO AS A IF THIS ISN'T ENOUGH TO, LIKE, STOP THIS FACILITY.

I WOULD WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU. CAN I GIVE YOU A PAPER? SURE. YOU CAN BRING IT UP. THIS IS ONE WAY TO I SPOKE WITH AN APPRAISER, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOK FOR IN LANDFILLS.

TO HAVE THE TO MITIGATE THE RISK WITH A PROTECTIVE LINER SYSTEM.

AND IT'S A DOUBLE LAYER. WOULD THIS BE PART OF ONE OF THEIR CONDITIONS TO MEET IF THIS WAS EVEN TO GO FORWARD? AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY GOING TO PROTECT MAYBE MAYBE THE WATER A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP OUR THESE CHILDREN OUT PLAYING OR US OUT MOWING OUR LAWNS. I MEAN, LOOK AT US. WE'RE NOT YOUNG PEOPLE ANYMORE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS EITHER WAY.

BUT THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING GEOMEMBRANE PROCESS TO PROTECT THE GROUNDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. SUSAN CONLEY.

GOOD EVENING. SUSAN CONLEY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY.

NORTHWEST. NORTHEAST. THANK YOU. WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL PURCHASED PROPERTY, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THAT PROPERTY IN THE WAY THEY CHOOSE. AND THAT'S BASED ON WHEN THEY PURCHASE IT, BASED ON THE LAND USE AND THE.

ZONING THAT CAME WITH THAT PROPERTY. AND THAT'S SET BY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LOOKS AT THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. I PARTICIPATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.

IT TOOK FOUR YEARS TO COMPLETE IT. SO IT'S TO CHANGE TO ME.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A BINDING CONTRACT WITH THE CITIZENS OF HOW OUR CITY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED.

SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A VERY COMPELLING REASON, IN MY OPINION, TO CHANGE LAND USE AND ZONING.

HOWEVER, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES ALLOW CHANGES TO LAND USE AND ZONING, JUST AS WE HAVE SEEN HERE TONIGHT BASED ON NON-BINDING, USUALLY VERBAL, PROJECTIONS OF HOW THIS LAND WILL BE USED.

THERE'S NEVER REALLY A FINAL SITE PLAN AT THIS POINT.

SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN IN ANOTHER SITUATION. DIFFERENT LAND, DIFFERENT OWNER, BUT REALLY THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WHAT CAN WE DO. TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE.

IN THE TEXT OF THE AGENDA, THE CONDITIONAL USE IS FOR TO ALLOW OPERATION OF A TREE AND LANDSCAPING RECYCLE FACILITY. I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE TEXT ABOUT

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PEACE OF MIND BASICALLY THAT THESE CONDITIONAL USES AGAIN THAT ARE VERBAL.

AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO BINDING CONTRACT FOR THEM.

BUT BY PUTTING THE CONDITIONAL USE DETAILED OUT.

DOES THAT MAKE IT BINDING? THANK YOU. JOE. SARAH, HONEY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOE. SARAH AND I LIVE AT 332 ADAMO WAY IN WEST MELBOURNE.

I HAVE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE OF MIKE AND LISA CRAM FOR TWO YEARS.

CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? SURE, SURE. I WORKED FOR MIKE AND LISA FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.

I WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M ASTHMATIC, AND I HAVE.

NO, I'M EXPOSED TO THE RECYCLE CENTER ON A DAILY BASIS AND HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT.

FIRST THING I WANTED TO SAY. THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS, SINCE THEY'VE OPENED THIS RECYCLE CENTER, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW I, I'M THE ADMINISTRATOR, SO I GET ALL THE PHONE CALLS, I DO ALL THE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I TALK TO ALL THE THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMING IN, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES DAILY, WEEKLY WE GET. THANKS SO MUCH FOR OPENING THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH EASIER.

WE'RE LESS EXPENSIVE. WE'RE HELPING THESE SMALL BUSINESSES GROW IN PALM BAY THESE YOUNG, SO MANY YOUNG GENTLEMEN COMING IN AND OPENING THEIR BUSINESS, WHETHER IT BE LANDSCAPING OR LAND CLEARING, AND THEY'RE USING OUR FACILITY.

AND WITH WHAT WE DO IS IT'S LIVE DEBRIS. SO WE'RE RECYCLING THIS LIVE DEBRIS.

IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL. IT'S TREES AND BUSHES AND PALM TREES.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU CUT DOWN IN YOUR YARD. WE'RE TAKING THAT AND RECYCLING THAT AND MAKING IT IN A DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, USING IT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KEITH. KEITH. MOSES.

GOOD EVENING. KEITH MOSES LIVE AT 1088 HAZELWOOD DRIVE, MELBOURNE.

I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR MIKE AND LISA, GOING ON FOUR YEARS NOW.

I'VE BEEN A SMOKER FOR 30 YEARS. I'M IN THIS YARD EVERY DAY.

I JUST LEFT THE YARD WHEN I GOT HERE. I HAVE NO EFFECTS FROM IT.

AND AS FAR AS THE TRUCKS AND STUFF THAT COME INTO OUR YARD, WE, ON AN AVERAGE 15 TRUCKS A DAY COME INTO OUR YARD AND SHIP OUT WITH FRESH GROUND MULCH. NOBODY SETTING OUT IN THE STREET WAITING.

WE'RE DOING ALL THAT ON TOP OF EVERYBODY BRINGING IN THE DEBRIS.

SO AS WE'RE RECYCLING IT, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE TRUCKS.

IT DOESN'T STAY MORE THAN THREE DAYS. ANY PILE, ANY PILE OF MULCH.

THREE DAYS MAX IS GONE. LIKE. LIKE THEY WERE SAYING.

THEY'RE CALLING US CONSTANTLY BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE SUPPLY.

SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT STUFF.

THANK YOU. THANKS. THAT CONCLUDES THE CARDS, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. AT THIS POINT EVERYBODY JUST COME FORWARD.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I CAN'T DISPUTE THE FINDINGS OF THAT STUDY THAT MR. EISNER PROVIDED ON THE ON THE OVER HERE. I WAS LISTENING.

I WAS TERRIFIED. I'M. IF THIS IS WHAT WE WERE DOING, I WOULD SAY DENY IT.

BUT THANK GOD THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE BUILDING.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT ALL. THE THE THE PROPOSAL, THE STUDY SHE PUT ON THERE THAT SHE GAVE THIS PRESENTATION ON WAS ON AN INDUSTRIAL WOOD WASTE FACILITY. THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE REPORT.

WELL, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE DEFINITION OF AN INDUSTRIAL WOOD WASTE FACILITY IS.

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THESE FACILITIES ARE DESIGNED TO MANAGE WOOD WASTE MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR REUSE OR RECYCLING.

EXAMPLES OF THIS WOOD WASTE IS PALLETS, OFFCUTS, UNTREATED TIMBER, CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AND OTHER WOOD MATERIALS FROM VARIOUS INDUSTRIES.

IT'S USED FOR BIOMASS, POWER PLANTS AND LANDFILLS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE DOING A GREEN RECYCLING FACILITY AND MAKING MULCH.

WE'RE NOT POLLUTING THE GROUNDWATER. WE'RE NOT WE WE WE ARE.

THE SETBACK FOR A SEPTIC TANK TO A PRIVATE WELL IS 75FT.

WE HAVE TREES LAYING ON THE GROUND THAT WE'RE MAKING MULCH OUT OF 1000FT AWAY.

AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO POLLUTE THE GROUNDWATER WHEN THEY HAVE A SEPTIC TANK 75FT FROM THEIR PRIVATE WELL AT THEIR HOME.

THAT'S THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE FOR SEPTIC TO TO THE WELL THAT THEY DRINK OUT OF THE HOUSE IS ANOTHER 800FT SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY. THEY'RE 1800 FEET AWAY FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING.

I DON'T SEE HOW A TREE ON THE GROUND CAN POLLUTE THE GROUNDWATER 1800 FEET AWAY.

AND WE'VE SHOWN THEY SAY WE HAVEN'T SHOWN ANYTHING.

WE TALKED ABOUT NOISE. WE TALKED ABOUT DUST. WE TALKED ABOUT FIRE.

WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC. WE TALKED ABOUT PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS.

I THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE EPA SAYS THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL DUST IS TO WATER THE FACILITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A WATER TRUCK ON THE ON THE ON SITE TO HELP CONTROL DUST.

THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE WAY TO CONTROL DUST. THE NOISE.

WE SHOWED YOU THE CALCULATIONS AT 1000FT AWAY.

YOU CAN'T EVEN HEAR IT. THE CONDITIONAL USE, YOU HAVE EIGHT CONDITIONAL USE CRITERIA IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

YOUR STAFF SHOWED HOW WE COMPLIED WITH ALL EIGHT CONDITIONS.

SO WE TO COME UP HERE AND SAY WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE OR HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING I THINK IS DISINGENUOUS.

THE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A REPORT UP THERE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS DISINGENUOUS.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS, IS, IS CRITICAL TO THIS CITY.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BENEFIT. I THINK WE'VE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE CONCERNS WHETHER, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

I THINK WE PROVIDED ALL THAT EVIDENCE. SO MR. CRAM WANTS TO ALSO COME UP HERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TO EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL WHAT AN INDUSTRIAL WOOD WASTE FACILITY IS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. MICHAEL CRAM, 2640 SMITH LANE. JUST LIKE MR. MOYA SAID, A LOT OF THESE TESTS ARE FOR INDUSTRIAL WOOD FACILITY.

WE'VE SHOWED YOU TESTS. THAT SHOWS THAT OUR WOOD MULCH HAS NO METAL.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW METAL IS GOING TO LEAK INTO PLACES THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT OURS HAS NO METAL.

IN REGARDS TO FARMING, WE OPERATE ON A LIVESTOCK FARM.

OUR MATERIALS ARE USED FOR FERTILIZER. IF YOU GOOGLE SEARCH ANYTHING, YOU'LL DRESS ME UP.

THEY'RE USED ON THE FARMING FACILITY. IT ENRICHES THE SOIL.

IT'S NATURAL FERTILIZER. IT'S USED IN LAWNS. IT'S USED EVERYWHERE.

I WISH MR. BYRNE COULD CROSS EXAMINE ME, BUT SINCE NOT, I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO IT MYSELF AS FAST AS I CAN.

THE QUALIFICATIONS? THAT'S RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE EVEN IS ANY. BUT IS THERE A QUALIFICATION TO RUN EVERY BUSINESS IN TOWN? NO. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT ARE SET IN PLACE BY ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES LIKE DEP AND CONDITIONAL USES.

EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THESE THINGS. IF A CONDITIONAL USE IS WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN THE STREET, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN THE STREET. THERE'S NOTHING FOR ME TO SHOW YOU.

OUR LOCATION IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. I WOULD CHALLENGE THE BOARD TO SHOW ME AN AREA INSIDE OF PALM BAY THAT IS BETTER SUITED WITH DIVIDED HIGHWAYS, TURN SIGNALS. IT IS THE SAFEST ANSWER.

IT IS DESIGNED FOR THIS ACTIVITY. IN REGARDS TO OPERATING INSIDE OF THE NEW ZONING, AGAIN UNDER HILL ROAD,

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NO BUFFERS AT ALL. TIBBETTS LUMBER IS A LOCAL LUMBER YARD.

THEY ARE RUNNING CURRENTLY UNDER INDUSTRIAL ZONING WITHIN 600FT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

SO IF THEY CAN'T DO THEIR LUMBER WORK, WHY SHOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO DO OURS? THAT'S NATURAL. WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL REPORT, BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY ALSO CAME OUT TO THE SITE AND SAID THEY EXPECTED ARSON AS FAR AS THE FIRE GOES, FIRE TRUCK.

SO BE IT. I'D RATHER HAVE THE ENJOYMENT OF THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY IF I DID SOMETHING WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S WRITTEN THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE BRANDING, WHICH WE DON'T MAKE MONEY OFF THE BRANDING OF PAW PATROL.

WE GAIN CAMARADERIE THROUGH THE KIDS AND THE COMMUNITY.

AS FAR AS VERNON SPEAKING ON TRUCKS AND SIZES AND HOW MANY TRUCKS, HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE.

HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW MANY YARDS OF TRUCKS. IS THE LENGTH, THE WIDTH, THE HEIGHT, HOW MANY TRUCKS COME IN, WHAT SIZE THEY ARE, EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE. SO SPEAKING ON WHAT WE'RE IMPORTING AND EXPORTING UNFORTUNATELY, IS FALSE INFORMATION FOR YOU.

THERE IS NO LINES. AS KEITH MY MANAGER SAID, NOBODY WAITS OUTSIDE THE GATE.

WE CURRENTLY OPERATE ON NINE ACRES, LESS THAN NINE ACRES, AND NO TRUCKS ARE OUTSIDE.

THEY DON'T NEED TO BE. AND IN A BIGGER FACILITY, THERE'S EVEN MORE OF A REASON WHY THEY WON'T BE.

AS FAR AS THE SCOTS MODES. SCOTS DOESN'T BAG ALL THEIR OWN MODES.

THEY USE OUTSIDE VENDORS, WHICH I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE EMAIL FROM THE ACTUAL VENDOR.

IN BUSINESS, YOU DON'T EXPOSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE.

BECAUSE IT'S A SECRET. IT'S NOT A SECRET TO YOU GUYS.

IT'S A SECRET TO THE COMPETITORS. WE DON'T WANT TO REVEAL WHERE WE'RE SELLING OUR PRODUCTS AND POTENTIALLY HAVE GREATER COMPETITION. I ALSO DO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM ANOTHER RESIDENT THAT LIVES WITHIN 2000FT THAT BASICALLY STATES HE DOESN'T DOESN'T KNOW THE OPERATION EXISTS.

AND AS FAR AS DECIBEL READINGS, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR SLIDE, BUT I DO HAVE THE ACTUAL FROM BANDIT MODEL 3860 STATING THE 106 AT 4.9FT AWAY.

THEN WE USE THE CALCULATOR TO SHOW WHAT IT DID FROM 100FT AWAY AND 50FT AWAY TO MEET THE NOISE REQUIREMENTS.

NOBODY'S PERFECT. YES, WE HAVEN'T HAD EVERYTHING PERFECT.

BUT JUST LIKE THE CITY. WHEN YOU'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO CORRECT IT. SO WE HAVE DONE SO EVERY SINGLE TIME AND PROVEN THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. AS FAR AS THE BIOMASS, YES, THEY TEST FOR BIOMASS, BUT IF THERE'S NO METAL IN THE BIOMASS, THERE'S NO METAL IN THE MOLDS, THERE'S NO METAL ANYWHERE.

AND AS FAR AS LEACHING GOES, A FRIEND MADE A FUNNY COMMENT.

IF WE'RE SO CONCERNED WITH LEACHING, OUR TELEPHONE POLES ARE SOAKED IN CREOSOTE THAT GO RIGHT BY YOUR WELLS ALL OVER.

SO IF LEACHING IS SO BAD FROM THIS NATURAL WOOD, WHAT DOES IT DO FROM OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE AROUND? THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO THEY GAVE US A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO PROTECT TO MITIGATE THE RISK OF LEACHING. RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVER SHARED THAT WITH YOU.

HAVE THEY SHARED THIS WITH YOU? AND IT GOES ON AND IT IT STATES ON WHAT YOU CAN DO.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. COME ON UP AND AND LOOK AT THIS.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THAT. AND I'LL, I'LL HAVE BRUCE, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN WITH YOU.

THE FIRST LINE SAYS AN INDUSTRIAL MOTION FACILITY.

YEAH. WHICH IS. NO, I GET, I GET THAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT.

I GET THAT'S THEIR ARGUMENT. RIGHT? BUT IF YOU READ THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN PARTICULAR, THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM SHOULD BE IN PLACE. IT TALKS ABOUT A DOUBLE LAYER SYSTEM DESIGNED TO CONTAIN AND CONTROL THAT TYPE OF LEACH.

RIGHT. LEACH IT. THE FIRST LAYER IS THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, AND IT GOES ON GRAVEL AND ALL THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER DOING? SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT.

THAT'S EXTREMELY EXTENSIVE. AND AGAIN, UNDER THE PREMISES OF INDUSTRIAL MULCHING, WHICH BRUCE GAVE YOU THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MEANS.

YES. SO I WOULD PROFESSIONALLY AND RESPECTFULLY SAY THAT IT'S UNNECESSARY.

AND THE COST OF CREATING THAT WOULD BE VERY EXUBERANT.

SO I'D BE SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

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LIKE, FOR REAL TRASH. THAT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE.

THAT'S EXTENSIVE. AND IN MY OPINION, IT WAS PROVIDED TO ME.

THANK YOU. AND I HAVE TO AFFORD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU.

YES, SIR. TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE CONSTITUENCY AND THEN, MOREOVER, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER BUT PASSING THAT ON, YOU'VE, ADAMANTLY SAID THAT YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE, IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

COST PROHIBITIVE? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT A LANDFILL.

IT'S RECYCLING. I UNDERSTAND, SIR. WHICH IS CATEGORIZED AS A LANDFILL.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? DOES THAT CONCLUDE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? ARE YOU GOOD, SIR? OKAY, SO I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS AND NO MORE CARDS.

AND I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION. MAYOR, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, JUST LOOKING AT OUR PROCEEDINGS THAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS WE CAN JUST PROCEED TO DELIBERATE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIKE A JURY, JUST HAVE OPEN CONVERSATION.

AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN. AND WITH THAT, I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO FIRST.

CARRY ON. I THINK I LIKE THIS REFERENCE. I'LL REFERENCE THE STAFF REPORT AND GO THROUGH THOSE ITEMS ONE BY ONE AND DELIBERATE WHETHER YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT MEETS OR DOESN'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

YOU KNOW, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT OUR STAFF ARE THE ARE THE EXPERTS HERE.

AND YOU CAN ALSO MAKE A MOTION AND MAKE IT THOSE CONDITIONS THAT THAT ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

WELL, THESE ARE THESE ARE ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN APPLICANT TO MEET A CONDITIONAL USE.

SO I THINK TO DELIBERATE WHETHER THEY MEET ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY. SO JUST REFERENCING TABLE 1733 ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ACCORDING TO STAFF, ADEQUATE INGRESS AND EGRESS MAY BE OBTAINED TO AND FROM THE PROPERTY, WITH PARTICULAR REFERENCE TO AUTOMOTIVE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE, TRAFFIC FLOW AND CONTROL AND ACCESS IN CASE OF OTHER FIRE OR EMERGENCIES.

I WOULD BE IN AGREEANCE GRANTS THAT THIS PROJECT MEETS MEETS THAT ITEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THAT. CARRY ON.

ITEM TWO. ADEQUATE OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING AREAS MAY BE PROVIDED WITHOUT CREATING UNDUE NOISE, GLARE, ODOR, OR OTHER DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS UPON ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

WAYNE, THE APPLICANT YOU KNOW, SHOWED AN ADEQUATE, IN MY OPINION, ADEQUATE BUFFERING FROM FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

ITEM NUMBER THREE. ADEQUATE. PROPERLY LOCATED UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE, MAY BE REASONABLY PROVIDED TO SERVE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FOR ADEQUATE SCREENING OR BUFFERING. WILL BE PROVIDED TO PROTECT AND PROVIDE COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJOINING PROPERTIES. EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FOOT OPAQUE FENCE AND VEGETATIVE BUFFERS HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED BY THE APPLICANT.

SIGNS AND ANY AND PROPOSED EXTERIOR LIGHTING WILL BE SO DESIGNED AND ARRANGED TO PROMOTE TRAFFIC SAFETY, TO ELIMINATE OR MINIMIZE ANY UNDUE GLARE, COMPATIBILITY OR DISHARMONY WITH ADJOINING PROPERTIES. THE BIG THE BIG ITEM. I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT WEIGHED ON TONIGHT AND THE GREEN PARTY WOULD, WOULD REALLY BE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A NUISANCE OR HAZARD BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS OF PERSONS WHO WILL ATTEND OR USE THE FACILITY, OR BECAUSE OF VEHICULAR MOVEMENT, NOISE, FUME GENERATION, OR TYPE OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY.

THE USE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING OR PERMITTED USES OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

SO I THINK JUST IN MY EXPERIENCE JUST READING THIS AND HEARING ALL THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT, I FEEL LIKE ITEM SEVEN HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT THAT BOTH PARTIES FOCUS HEAVILY ON. AND IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVED THEIR CASE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE A FACILITY THAT IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE HARM TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL PASS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YES, MAYOR. I'M. I'M CONFLICTED ON THAT.

WITH ITEM SEVEN. WITH THE GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION AS A POTENTIAL ISSUE, I THINK OF AREAS LIKE SATELLITE BEACH.

IT WASN'T AN ISSUE UNTIL YEARS LATER. YOU HAD LIKE 20 HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS WITH CANCER.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PFAS. YEAH, BUT NOBODY NOBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO IT.

YEAH. AT THAT TIME, CERTAINLY THE MILITARY WASN'T.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. TO YOUR POINT. SO I'M I'M CONFLICTED ON IT.

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THIS IS AND THESE OPTIONS THAT I WANT TO THANK THE THE YOUNG LADY THAT BROUGHT THIS UP THIS IS A WAY TO MITIGATE. BUT THIS IS COST PROHIBITIVE. SO THAT THAT WAS THE RESPONSE.

BUT I DID PASS THAT ON TO TO THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY.

THIS COULD BE. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ONE IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

SO I GUESS SO THE QUESTION WOULD LIE REGARDING THE BUSINESS, RIGHT.

BUT I GET YOUR POINT. SATELLITE BEACH WAS FIREFIGHTING FOAM.

YES. PFAS. YEAH. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. I, I NAMED IT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT WAS A CHEMICAL IN NATURE. THIS IS THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THAT REGARD.

BUT CARRY ON, SIR. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. YEAH. NO.

YEAH. WITH THE PFAS, I GET THAT. BUT ALSO THE SENIORS, THOSE HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS.

SO SOMETHING WAS BEING LEAKED OR SOMETHING WAS BEING INHALED OR CONSUMED THAT CAUSED THEM TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T WANT TO MUDDY IT UP, BUT I JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS.

LIKE THE RESIDENTS DID AS WELL. I KNOW THE APPLICANT.

I KNOW HIS FAMILY. I KNOW THE BUSINESS. I'VE KNOWN THE BUSINESS FOR YEARS.

THEY'VE DONE A GREAT, AMAZING WORK. I'VE BEEN THERE IN THE PAST.

WELL, THE THE OTHER PLACE THEY HAD OVER ON ROBERT J.

CONLON. I'VE BEEN TO. SO I KNOW THE QUALITY OF WORK THEY PROVIDE.

I KNOW THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY PROVIDED FOR RESIDENTS OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT JUST DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE. I'M CONCERNED ON ITEM SEVEN, SIR.

SO. UNDERSTOOD. SO LET ME ASK YOU, SINCE YOU'RE ON THAT PATH AND AND I, I'M, I'M OVER HERE GAUGING DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE. RIGHT. THIS IS COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT IN YOUR, IN YOUR EYES, DO YOU THINK THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED? WELL, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS MORE THAT CAN BE DONE.

I WOULD LOVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY.

APPLICANTS WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE ALL THEIR CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED.

THAT WOULD BE MY BEST. THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION I WOULD SEE.

SO YOU WOULD CONSIDER. AND I'M JUST PLAYING AN ADVOCATE HERE? YES, SIR. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS SOME TYPE OF PROTECTIVE LINER SYSTEM.

NOT AS EXTREME. YES, SIR. BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WOULD THAT WOULD MITIGATE ALL SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

YEP. YEAH. OF WATER LEAKAGE OR THAT? YES, SIR.

YEAH. THAT FOR ME. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T SEE DUST OR I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT REALLY BEING THE ISSUE MORE SO OF WHAT COULD BE DOWNRANGE.

WELL WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET, SO WE'RE DISCUSSING.

YES, SIR. AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST ADD THAT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, THAT YOUR CONCLUSION IS 100% FACTUAL, THAT WHAT THEY'RE PRODUCING IS HARMFUL TO THE COMMUNITY, OR YOU'RE JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE DO A LINER JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO A LINER? WELL, WHILE THEY WERE SPEAKING AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE CASE STUDIES THAT THEY PROVIDED ON MANGANESE AND THE LEAKAGE, IT'S IT'S ALL EVERYTHING THEY'RE SAYING IN REGARDS TO WHAT IT DOES TO THE GROUNDWATER AND WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE NEUROLOGICAL PATHWAYS IN THE BRAIN.

I'M SEEING IT ALL IS IT ALL IS FACTUAL WHETHER THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THIS FACILITY OR NOT.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE UP HERE RIGHT NOW TRYING TO DECIDE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR THE HESITANCY IN MY VOICE, DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH. I GUESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ASKED IS, IS THE TREES AND WHERE THESE STUDIES TAKING PLACE, THE SAME AS OUR REGION IS THE SOIL IN OUR REGION VERY SIMILAR TO THE REGION IN NEW YORK? YEAH. WHERE'S THE METAL COMING FROM THAT'S CAUSING THAT THAT STUDY THAT WE JUST WATCHED.

RIGHT. THEY ALSO WAS DISCUSSED THAT THAT WAS INDUSTRIAL WOOD PRODUCTS THAT WERE COMING FROM OTHER FACILITIES, NOT NATURAL FROM FROM THE EARTH. YEAH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN TREATED WOOD, WHICH THESE FOLKS AREN'T GOING TO BE DOING.

WELL, EVEN WHAT I'M SEEING HERE SAYING NATURAL YARD WASTE COMPOSTING FACILITY, HOWARD COUNTY NATURAL YARD WASTE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS LIKE, THIS IS NATURALLY DECOMPOSING, BUT IT STILL PROVIDED STILL CAUSED THE SAME THING IN THE GROUNDWATER.

SO. SO DID YOU WANT TO ASK STAFF ABOUT. WELL, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE HAVE ANY. SO ARE YOU SEEKING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES. YEAH. NO. YEAH. DID YOU WANT TO TRY TO. WE CAN WE.

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SO. WELL. YOU KNOW, I OBVIOUSLY AM LEANING MORE TOWARDS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE IN QUASI JUDICIAL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT UP A YOU KNOW, TOTALLY DIFFERENT WHEN WE ARGUED ABOUT THE CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENT WAS IF IT COULD SAVE ONE CHILD, WE SHOULD DO IT.

AND SO IF WE HAVE THREE SCHOOLS AROUND THIS AND THERE'S HEALTH CONCERNS, I THINK IT'S A IT'S A VALID REASON.

WE LITERALLY CHANGED THE ZONING FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

SO BEFORE WE CHANGE THE ZONING 20 MINUTES AGO, IT WASN'T EVEN ZONED FOR THAT.

SO YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF IT WHEN WE CHANGED THE ZONING.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.

I BELIEVE IT'S UNNECESSARY HEALTH RISK TO THE COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA, THE CHILDREN. I WANT TO SUPPORT, THE FARMERS IN THE AREA.

OUR FIVE ACRE LOTS. AND I, I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ON IT.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS. SOMETHING THAT WOULD MITIGATE THAT OPPORTUNITY OF OF THIS OCCURRING. YES. YES. GROUNDWATER. RIGHT.

SO WE COULD POSSIBLY AND WE KNOW THIS IS COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT ANOTHER WAY TO TO GO INTO THAT. YEAH. MAYBE YOU COULD MAYBE WE COULD ADD THAT TO TO THE MOTION.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT. MADAM ATTORNEY, TO SEE IF SHE HAS SOME WAY IN.

YEAH. MADAM ATTORNEY, SIR. I. WHEN YOU'RE ADDING CONDITIONS OR SAFEGUARDS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO. CERTAINLY. YOU ALL CAN DECIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE VARIOUS EVIDENCE.

YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE HARMS, YOU CAN DECIDE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME BASIS TO ADD THEM. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO ADD AND WHAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD ADDRESS ANY PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY BE MY CONCERN. IT'S HARD TO OPINE IN A VACUUM, BUT WE JUST CAN'T ABSOLUTELY PULL THEM OUT, ESPECIALLY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT WHEN WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED THE PARTIES TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FOUNDATION FOR THEM AND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.

THESE ARE REASONABLY CONNECTED SO THAT IT'S NOT ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.

UNDERSTOOD. GOT IT. I'M GOOD MAYOR. SO WE WE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T ADD THAT ON THERE.

OKAY. SO WE WE'RE BACK TO WHERE DEPUTY MAYOR'S TALKING.

WHAT WHAT WHAT IS IT THAT WE WE'RE GOING TO THE EXPECTATIONS.

AND THEY FULFILLED THAT YOU'RE YOUR. ISSUE IS NUMBER SEVEN.

DO THEY MEET THAT? SO THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S THERE'S WE ALREADY KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN'S A HARD NO ON THIS. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? SO I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION.

AND I'M EITHER WAY, GENTLEMEN, SO THAT WE COULD MOVE ON.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20 2513.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

I GOT A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I STATED THE POSITION WHERE I'M AT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT'S PRESENTED TO ME.

I THINK, YOU JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIRM REASON FOR DENIAL THAT WE CAN STAND ON TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU GUYS AREN'T IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, COME UP WITH THAT GOOD DENIAL REASON.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YEAH, MAYOR. MY MAIN THING IS I JUST WANT PARAMETERS.

IF WE COULD BUT I DO SEE THE DEP DOES TEST FOR MANGANESE AS WELL, SO I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ON THEM AT THAT POINT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT CONTAMINATING THE GROUNDWATER.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'M CALLING THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY.

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[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

THIS IS AN AWARD OF BID TO TWO DIFFERENT FIRMS ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.

TO PERFORM ON SITE REPAIRS OF OUR FIRE APPARATUS.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS EARLIER IN THE MEETING WERE ABOUT SOME DESIRE TO DO SOME OF THIS WORK IN-HOUSE.

AND INDEED WE ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THIS.

THIS IS TO SUPPLEMENT OUR EXISTING CITY STAFF TO THAT PERFORMS THIS SERVICE.

WE HAVE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE ONE CERTIFIED PERSON TO WORK ON OUR FIRE APPARATUS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER POSITION THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.

SO THIS IS TO SUPPLEMENT THE WORK IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR FIRE APPARATUS FUNCTIONING.

AND SO PROCUREMENT WENT OUT AND WE HAVE GOOD FIRMS THAT CAN PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO KEEP OUR FIRE APPARATUS OPERATIONAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY. I'LL SECOND DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

YES, MAYOR. COULD COULD WE JUST GET SOME COULD WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER JUST GIVE US A DETAILED DESCRIPTION ON EXACTLY WHAT REBATES WERE GIVEN TO L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES.

HOW LONG THOSE ARE WHEN THEY EXPIRE. AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ROGUE VALLEY.

YES, WE WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY. YES. COUNCIL AS INDICATED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT WE HAVE THREE AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT INCENTIVES THAT OVER THE YEARS HAD BEEN GRANTED TO L3 HARRIS AND THEIR PREDECESSOR COMPANY HARRIS CORPORATION. FIRST ONE GOES BACK TO 2011. THAT IS CONCLUDING IN THE 25 YEAR FISCAL 25 PROJECT. LEO WAS FROM 2023 PROJECT SAMT FROM ALSO FROM 2023.

THOSE ARE TEN YEAR INCREASINGLY REDUCED OVER TIME, AD VALOREM EXEMPTIONS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S VALUATION OF WHAT THE WORTH OF THAT IS TO THE COMPANY. AND THE COMPANY IS ALSO PROVE THE EMPLOYMENT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE INCENTIVE. WITH RESPECT TO ROGUE VALLEY MICRODEVICES, THEY HAVE NOT YET EARNED THE INCENTIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT YET OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

WE EXPECT THAT TO BE HAPPEN, HAPPENING THIS SUMMER.

ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE MAKING AN INVESTMENT ESTIMATED AT 25 MILLION.

AND WE NOW UNDERSTAND THEIR INVESTMENT IS CLOSER TO 40 MILLION.

THEY HAVEN'T EARNED ANY YET. THE COUNCIL APPROVED A AGREEMENT ON A SLIDING SCALE FOR SEVEN YEARS.

AND SO THEY HAVEN'T EARNED ANY YET. AND THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT SHOWS WHAT HAS BEEN EARNED.

AND SO WE HAVE STAFF HERE THAT CAN ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO TO REPORT WHAT THOSE VALUES ARE AND TO ENSURE THAT THE COMPANIES ARE MEETING THEIR OBLIGATION IN EARNING THE INCENTIVE.

DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YES IT DOES, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I'LL SECOND IT.

AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FOUR ZERO. LET THE RECORD SHOW MY DEPUTY MAYOR MADE A HEAD CALL.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. COUNCILMAN LANDON? YES, MAYOR. WITH RESPECT TO PROCEDURE, I'LL ADDRESS YOU MAYOR, IF YOU WILL.

CAN WE HAVE ASK THE CITY MANAGER IF THE POLICE CHIEF CAN COME UP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS? YES, WE ABSOLUTELY. POLICE CHIEF WILL BE HERE FOR BOTH ITEM FIVE AND ITEM SIX.

AWESOME. WE'LL TACKLE THEM TOGETHER, SIR. GOOD EVENING.

HEY. GOOD EVENING CHIEF. HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.

SO FIRST OFF, COULD YOU JUST. WELL, ACTUALLY.

OKAY, FIRST OFF, GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN THE ROLE OF A VICTIM ADVOCATE WITH OUR WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.

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WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LEGISLATIVE MEMO STATES, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. AND KUDOS TO OUR ADMINISTRATOR THAT OVERSEES OUR ADVOCATES PROGRAM, DANA PACKARD. IT HAS EXPANDED TO THREE FULL TIME ADVOCATES.

AND ALSO A STAFF OF PART TIME. ADVOCATES THAT ARE VOLUNTEERS.

THAT AREN'T THE FULL TIME CITY EMPLOYEES. SO IT RANGES FROM JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, TRIALS, TAKING OUR VICTIMS TO AND FROM PROVIDING THEM WITH RESOURCES, TAKING THEM TO SHELTERS.

LEGAL ADVICE AND GUIDELINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET THEM THE ASSISTANCE THEY NEED.

AND ALSO FINDING SOURCES FOR FUNDING AS WELL FOR THEM FOR FOR SHELTERS AND HOUSING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND IT'S. AND WHEN I SAY THEY PUT IN HOURS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF HOURS.

AND I'M NOT EXAGGERATING WITH WHAT THEY DO ON A WEEKLY BASIS FOR OUR VICTIMS. THAT'S OUTSTANDING. SO YOU SAID YOU HAVE THREE FULL TIME RIGHT NOW. IF YOU HAD LIKE A NUMBER THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE LIKE THE PERFECT NUMBER FOR THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT YOU'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT IS IN TERMS OF STAFFING? YES. I KNOW I COULD USE MORE THAN THREE. I JUST I'D HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH DANA, OF COURSE, AND REALLY DETERMINE THAT. OF COURSE. BUT YOU DEFINITELY NEED MORE. 100%.

SO I DID SOME RESEARCH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST.

I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CALL YOU THIS WEEK.

BUT I DID WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE THAT MAYBE WE WEREN'T DOING ANY REDUNDANCY OF GOVERNMENT.

SO I CALLED SOME FRIENDS IN THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND PUBLIC DEFENDERS.

AND THEY DO HAVE VICTIM ADVOCATES. BUT THEY EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THEY DON'T DO THE SAME ROLE. AND THEY ACTUALLY SAID SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT OUR VICTIM ADVOCATES AND HOW MUCH MORE THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. SO I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF VICTIM ADVOCATES FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT MOVING FORWARD. I OBVIOUSLY GAVE A WHOLE SPEECH EARLIER ABOUT ABOUT FEDERAL FUNDS.

SO I HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT FEDERAL FUNDS IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO BRING ON TWO NEW VICTIM ADVOCATES, AND THEN THEY DECIDE, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PULL FUNDING FOR ALL KINDS OF GRANTS, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO PICK THEM AT RANDOM BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY. AND THEN WE LOSE THOSE TWO VICTIM ADVOCATES. SO WHAT I WOULD REALLY WANT TO SEE IS IN OUR UPCOMING BUDGET PROCESS, WE BUDGET FOR TWO VICTIM ADVOCATES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE TWO VICTIM ADVOCATES, AND WE'RE PAYING THEM AND THEY'RE ON OUR STAFF. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER APPROACH INSTEAD OF MAYBE RELYING ON A GRANT, MAYBE WE DON'T GET THE GRANT. WE DON'T EVEN GET THE VICTIM ADVOCATES. OR MAYBE THE GRANT GETS PULLED AND WE LOSE THOSE VICTIM ADVOCATES.

SO I'D RATHER SEE THE THE SURETY MOVING FORWARD THAT WE HAVE THOSE VICTIM ADVOCATES PERSONALLY.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I'D BE A HYPOCRITE IF I GAVE A WHOLE SPEECH A COUPLE HOURS AGO ABOUT FEDERAL FUNDING AND THEN VOTED FOR IT, SO I CAN'T. BUT AGAIN, I SUPPORT US HAVING VICTIM ADVOCATES, AND I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM PERMANENTLY.

WE DON'T LOSE THEM BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES. SO I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE.

AND THEN I WANTED TO JUST EXPLAIN WHY MY VOTE'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE TONIGHT.

BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT WE AND IF IT GETS APPROVED, I HOPE THAT WE DO GET THEM BECAUSE THIS IS A GRANT APPLICATION.

BUT IF NOT, THEN I STILL THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT IN OUR PERMANENT BUDGETING AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME, I'M GOOD MAYOR.

OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. PASSES FOR ONE.

PASSES FOR ONE. ITEM NUMBER SIX. I NEED A MOTION OR COUNSEL.

OH, HE DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION REGARDING TRAVEL AS WELL.

CARRY ON. CHIEF. AWESOME. SO, CHIEF, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF TRAINING.

I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE GOING. COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT WE'VE BEEN SENDING YOU ON, BECAUSE THIS COMES UP A LOT. TRAVEL AND TRAINING EXPENSES.

I'M SURE THE PUBLIC'S LOOKING AT. I'M SURE BILL BATTEN IS LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE SENDING OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO? SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND BETTER, WHAT ARE SOME DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF OF ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT GETS TO? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. I'M SUPER IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF TRAINING THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR OFFICERS. SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

I'M SUPER IMPRESSED WITH THE TRAINING FACILITY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND BRAG A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRAINING THAT THEY DO. SO WITH THE TRAINING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND THIS GOES BACK MANY, MANY YEARS THROUGH SEVERAL CHIEFS, IS WE HAVE TO EVOLVE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY. AND IN DOING THAT, WE HAVE TO GET WITH THE TIMES, RIGHT.

SO THESE CONFERENCES, THESE SEMINARS, PARTICULARLY IACP, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE,

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SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGICAL. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW DIRECTOR ROBINSON IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS RIGHT NOW IS I, YOU KNOW PROS AND CONS OF IT.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING AROUND THROUGHOUT THE POLICE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IS I FOR TO BETTER TO PROVIDE MORE EFFICIENCY FOR THE FIRST RESPONDER, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY WITH REPORT WRITING.

SO SO ALL OF THOSE TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH AS A COUNTRY AND INTERNATIONALLY THAT IT'S BEING BROUGHT INTO THESE CONFERENCES IT'S INVALUABLE FOR US.

AND THEN THEY BRING IT BACK HERE, AND THEN WE SIT DOWN, WE MEET WITH OUR CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM AND OUR STAFF AND SEE WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AND WHAT IS TRULY APPLICABLE TO OUR CITY DYNAMIC.

OUTSTANDING. THANK YOU CHIEF. I THINK IT'S HUGE THAT WE SEND OUR OFFICERS TO THINGS LIKE THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY.

I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL. MY FATHER WENT TO THAT SCHOOL. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, SO I KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILS AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, FIND GREAT TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.

I SUPPORT YOU ON THAT. SO I'M GOOD MAYOR. OKAY.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSE PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE GOING ON TO PROCUREMENTS.

AND SO WE'VE GOT FOUR ITEMS ON PROCUREMENT AND, AND THEN NEW BUSINESS.

SO RIGHT NOW WE MAY BE GOING ON A ROLL, BUT I WANT TO I WANT TO MOTION TO EXTEND OUR MEETING PAST 11:00.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE ON PROCUREMENT NUMBER ONE, MR. MORGAN. YES. ALL FOUR OF THESE PROCUREMENTS. WE HAVE OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER AND WE HAVE OUR UTILITIES

[PROCUREMENTS:]

BUT I WOULD ASK ASKED THAT THAT THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE ANY OVERVIEW THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR FOR THESE FOUR ITEMS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE ALL THREE. WELL, THERE ONE AT A TIME.

BUT IF THEY COME FORWARD. NO. OKAY. NO. WE'RE GOOD.

WE'RE GOOD. BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR OUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. I'M. I'M UNDER TIME CONSTRAINTS.

WE STAND IN TANDEM. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. NOW.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. LET'S SEE. ITEM. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE TORPEDO BOX? I'M JUST KIDDING, SIR. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. SO, ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR PROCUREMENTS.

THE BRASS FITTINGS. TYPICAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

WE WE DID AN ITB. WE TYPICALLY SOLICIT THOSE FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS.

GABE CAN TALK ABOUT WHY WE NEED THEM, BUT THEY'RE FOR OUR WATER METERS.

THE BRASS FITTINGS. NOTHING ATYPICAL ABOUT THE PROCESS.

WE HAVE FERGUSON, WHICH IS A REPUTABLE COMPANY THERE LOCALLY.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER IT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL ITEM NUMBER ONE.

NO. NO. OKAY. SO WHAT? ARE THERE ANY COMMON CARDS ON THIS ONE? NOT ON NUMBER ONE, MAYOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO LET'S. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. SO MOVED.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, GENTLEMEN.

SAME TYPICAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS. IT WAS DONE AS AN INVITATION TO BID.

IT'S FOR REPAIR MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR OUR WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS.

WE DID A MULTI AWARD FOR THAT ONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO VENDORS AS YOU SEE RAZORBACK AND MIX PLUMBING.

AND AS FAR AS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR IF GABE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER CARDS DEPUTY MAYOR ON THIS ONE.

ITEM TWO PROCUREMENT. NO, SIR. I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MAYOR. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

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ITEM NUMBER THREE. ALL RIGHT, SO PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING I MENTIONED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

YES. SO THIS IS THE ITEM THAT WE'RE PRESENTING BEFORE YOU.

IF I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE DIFFERENT DELIVERY METHODS FOR CONSTRUCTION.

TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A DESIGN BID BUILD A TRADITIONAL METHOD, WHICH WE'LL DO THE DESIGN.

WE'LL GO OUT FOR QUALIFICATION FOR IT. THEN ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE WE'LL GO OUT TO BID FOR THE CONTRACTOR, WHICH WE'LL DO THAT AS A TRADITIONALLY A LOW BID.

AND THE OTHER TWO METHODS ARE DESIGN BUILD AND THEN THIS ONE AS A CMAR.

SO WE DECIDED TO UTILIZE THE CMAR DELIVERY METHOD FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

CHANGE ORDERS HAVE COME UP A LOT. AND ACTUALLY, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CHANGE ORDERS.

SO LAST YEAR WE PRESENTED TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON A REPORT ON OUR CHANGE ORDERS.

AND OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, WE'VE HAD ABOUT $100 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION, AND WE'VE ONLY HAD 2.5% CONTRACTUALLY ATTRIBUTED TO CHANGE ORDERS. SO THERE'S NO INDUSTRY INDEX FOR CHANGE ORDERS, BUT THAT'S RELATIVELY LOW, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, FOR OTHER AGENCIES. SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHANGE ORDER ISSUE.

AND I SAY THAT RESPECTFULLY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S PRESENTED.

WE'LL SEE. CHANGE ORDERS. BUT THAT'S ONE PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR.

BUT COLLECTIVELY FOR OUR PROJECTS, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT IN BAD SHAPE WITH CHANGE ORDERS.

SO BUT AS FAR AS WHY WE DECIDED TO CHOOSE THAT DELIVERY METHOD BASED ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS.

BUT TO GET A QUALIFIED FIRM POTENTIALLY REDUCE CHANGE ORDERS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANTED TO GO WITH THE CMAA.

SO I GUESS I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE SOLICITATION PROCESS FOR THIS ONE.

WE DID HAVE ONE FIRM SUBMIT, BUT AS YOU SAW IN THE PACKET TOO, THAT WASN'T WE DID A LITTLE OUTREACH AS FAR AS WHY WE ONLY GOT ONE AND IT WAS A SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. IT IS A LARGE ONE WITH MULTIPLE PHASES.

IT'S A SPECIALTY PROJECT REALLY RESERVED FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CONTRACTORS.

AND IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE DID SHOW THE OUTREACH AS TO THE CONTRACTORS THAT RESPONDED WITH WHY THEY DIDN'T PARTICIPATE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL ON THIS PROCESS? THE CONTRACTOR IS HERE.

YES. YES, SIR. I SEE HIM IN THE ROOM. THERE'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY.

SINCE THIS IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT ITEM. FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, I WOULD LIKE GABRIEL TO COME UP AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRING THE COUNCIL INTO TO WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT.

FIRST STEP IN MOVING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'S CRITICAL FOR OUR FUTURE, OUR CURRENT THAT'S BEING BUILT DOWN SOUTH.

CAN'T HEAR ME? YEAH. COULD YOU GET IT CLOSER TO YOU, GABRIEL? WE'LL TRY IT THAT WAY. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

THE CURRENT THAT'S BEING BUILT DOWN SOUTH WAS DESIGN BID BUILD LOW BIDDER.

WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE DESIGN FROM THE ENGINEER.

SO THIS PROCESS REALLY HELPS MARRY THE TWO MUCH EARLIER.

YOU KNOW, NOT TO SPEAK ILL OF ENGINEERS, BUT SOMETIMES I LIKE TO PUT THEIR STAMP ON THINGS.

AND BUILDERS WANT TO BUILD IT THE BEST WAY THAT YOU CAN DO IT.

SO GETTING TOGETHER EARLY AT 30 TO 60% INCREASES THE BUILD ABILITY AND ALSO THE DELIVERY TIME FRAME.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHARTON SMITH BIDDING ON THIS.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT WE HAD REACHED OUT TO TO SEE IF THEY HAD INTEREST IN IT, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WORK COMING UP FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, AND WE NEED AN EXCELLENT BUILDER AND ENGINEER WORKING TOGETHER SO THAT WE HAVE FEWER ISSUES. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR LAST DESIGN BID BUILD THAT'S GETTING READY, THAT'S OUT.

AND WE'LL SOON BE IN. THERE WERE 30 OR 40 DIFFERENT QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WAS DESIGNING IT ON A VERY SMALL UPGRADE, AND I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW MANY QUESTIONS WE'VE HAD.

THIS WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF THOSE AND MAKE IT A LOT MORE SEAMLESS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF COUNT. I DO. ONE THING I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON IS HOW IMPRESSED I AM WITH WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

WHAT MR. BARBER AND OUR CITY MANAGER. I BELIEVE WE'RE USING A GMP ON THIS ONE.

CORRECT? A GMP? YES. GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

SO WE WILL HAVE A GMP ON THIS. CORRECT. THEY MAKE SURE WE WE REPORT.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU FOR FOR ENACTING THAT FOR US BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IS GOING TO BE REALLY,

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I KNOW GABRIEL DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO THE THE DETAILS OF WHY WE NEED A NEW PLANT.

AND IT'S IT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO SERVE BOTH EXISTING CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES.

BUT ALSO TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND AND STARTING OUT THIS WAY FOR SOMETHING SO LARGE AND SO IMPORTANT, I THINK IS A MILESTONE FOR THIS CITY. AND BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH.

I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT JUST A FEW MINUTES TO HEAR FROM FROM THE COMPANY THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH US.

SO STEP FORWARD, SIR.

GLAD I SHOWED UP. GOOD EVENING, MATT PASSARELLA.

3151 CONSERVATION PLACE, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA. MORE THAN WELCOME TO.

IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SURE. WARREN SMITH HAS BEEN A COMPANY THAT'S BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS NOW.

STARTED AS DOING WATER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS SPECIFICALLY.

GREW INTO COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION ABOUT TEN, 15 YEARS AGO AFTER THAT.

A LOT OF THE WORK WE DO NOW, IN THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO HAS BEEN SPECIFICALLY CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK DESIGN BUILD.

WHERE YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE I BELIEVE, COLLABORATIVE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ENGINEERS IN THIS CASE, THE CONTRACTOR ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO SERVE THEIR, THEIR CLIENT.

YOU IN GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A LEVEL OF COST CERTAINTY THAT AS DESIGN IS HAPPENING, YOU'RE GETTING ESTIMATES TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS YOU KNOW, BID DAY HAPPENS.

YOU'RE NOT OPENING UP AND FINDING OUT. THE LOWEST NUMBER I'VE GOT IN FRONT OF ME IS $2 MILLION HIGHER THAN.

OR HOWEVER MANY MILLION DOLLARS HIGHER THAN YOUR COST MIGHT BE, OR WHAT YOU HAVE BUDGETED FOR THAT SO FAR.

IT ALSO PROVIDES TIMELINE CERTAINTY TO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS.

AS WE'RE GIVING YOUR COST ESTIMATES, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING TIMELINES TO THAT AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE LONG LEAD ITEMS. SO WE WERE CUTTING DOWN THAT TIMELINE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S, WHAT MIGHT BE 1824 MONTH LEAD ITEM THAT WE CAN START ORDERING EARLIER IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

SO WHEN WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT DURING CONSTRUCTION, IT'S HERE AND IT'S NOT HOLDING IT UP, ADDING ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OR SO BECAUSE NOW YOU GOT TO TIME EVERYTHING OUT THE RIGHT WAY.

THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT. I KNOW I CAN GIVE PROBABLY SOME MORE FACTS OR NUMBERS ON.

WE'VE DONE PROBABLY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

WE'VE WE SERVICED THE ENTIRE STATE. I KNOW WE'VE NOT JUST IN THE STATE.

WE'VE IN THE COUNTY. WE'VE WORKED WITH CITY OF COCOA, I BELIEVE WE'VE WORKED WITH PALM BAY IN THE PAST.

WE SEE A TITUSVILLE, BREVARD COUNTY. SO IT'S WE'VE BEEN HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITHIN THE COUNTY, EXPERIENCE WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH WATER, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND FACILITIES.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? NO, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR.

NO, MAYOR. NO SPEAKER CARDS ON ITEM THREE. NOPE.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? NO. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

MR. MORGAN. YES. THIS IS A PURCHASE OF A FACTOR, AND WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THAT.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR. SPEAKER CARD. BILL. BATON.

BILL. BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET. SOUTHWEST.

HALF $1 MILLION. I'M THINKING, WASN'T THAT MANY MONTHS AGO THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VACUUM TRUCK.

AND I SAID, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. THEY SAID, WELL, WE NEED A SPECIAL ONE TO CLEAN OUT FOR THE SAINT JOHN GOING INTO INTO THE LAGOON.

SO THEY HAD A SECOND TRUCK. SO NOW IS THIS GOING TO BE TRUCK NUMBER, VACUUM TRUCK NUMBER THREE FOR A HALF MILLION DOLLARS?

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE NEED OF THIS BEAUTIFUL TRUCK. YES, SIR. AND I'M SORRY. IT'S KIND OF LATE.

I'M PAST MY NORMAL GOOD THINKING TIME, I APOLOGIZE.

NO WORRIES. DIDN'T DRESS ADEQUATELY EARLIER FOR WHAT MR. MORGAN WANTED. WE DO HAVE TWO WASTEWATER TRUCKS THAT ARE USED FOR SEWER MAINLINE CLEANING AND OCCASIONALLY USED FOR HYDRO EXCAVATION. WITH ALL OF THE NEW FIBER THAT'S GOING IN AND THE ELECTRICAL LINES THAT ARE GOING AND BEING BURIED.

THE SPACE IN THE GROUND WHERE OUR GUYS ARE WORKING IS GETTING TIGHTER AND TIGHTER AND MORE DIFFICULT TO WORK IN, AND NEEDING TO PROTECT OUR WORKERS BACK. EQUIPMENT MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT KNOCKING OUT FIBER FOR ACROSS TOWN AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. HYDRO EXCAVATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.

SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST HYDRO EXCAVATION TRUCK FOR OUR WATER DISTRIBUTION TEAM.

THEY ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. IN FACT, YOU REMEMBER THEY WERE HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN WE PASSED THE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS.

AND GEORGE CAN TALK TO YOU THAT. NOW, THIS IS THE SECOND PART TO BE ACTUALLY TO SPEND THE DOLLARS. SO THIS WILL BE VERY IMPACTFUL FOR THE TEAM.

AND AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE GROUND WITH OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER LINES, ADDITIONAL TRUCKS WILL BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION. YES, SIR.

I GUESS JUST A POINT OF CLARITY TO ANSWER, MR. BATTEN. I BELIEVE THAT LAST TRUCK WAS BOUGHT FOR A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. FOR UTILITIES, FOR PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE RIGHT, OUR RIGHT OF WAYS THAT ARE BEING USED FOR FIBER AND, AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT SERVICES, ARE WE, AS A CITY LIKE CHARGING ENOUGH FOR THESE, THESE COMPANIES TO COME IN AND USE OUR RIGHT OF WAYS IF WE'RE TURNING AROUND AND HAVING TO BUY EQUIPMENT THAT'S MORE SPECIALIZED TO WORK AROUND FIBER.

I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER IF WE'RE CHARGING ENOUGH, BUT I IF I COULD SPEAK TO AN ISSUE YOU DIDN'T ASK ABOUT.

AND THAT IS THE RULES THAT WE HAVE ABOUT HOW FAR THEY HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER.

OUR RULES ALLOWED THEM TO BE WITHIN SIX INCHES.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO CHANGE THAT TO 36IN AWAY.

THAT WAY YOU CAN ACTUALLY WORK IN IT. SO PART OF THE PROBLEMS HAS BEEN OUR OUR RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN INADEQUATE, AND WE'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS THOSE SO WE CAN JUST DO AN ORDINANCE RIGHT FASTER THAN PUBLIC WORKS COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

NO, NO, NO, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON RESOLVING THAT.

YEAH. NO, I JUST I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FIBER AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR RIGHT OF WAY. AND JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS AS A CITY THAT I KNOW WE ISSUE PERMITS FOR THOSE THINGS, BUT JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL. YEAH.

AND I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THE FEES. WE'D BE HAPPY TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT, THOUGH. THAT'S A VALID CONCERN WITH THE SIX INCHES.

YES. YEAH, THAT'S A VALID CONCERN. SO I'M WITH I'M WITH DEPUTY MAYOR.

I'M GOING TO ECHO THAT AS WELL. YEAH. SIX INCHES.

THAT'S UNREAL. YEAH. AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING TO CORRECT THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE MOVING FORWARD. YEAH, BUT HOW DO YOU RETRO THAT RIGHT.

HOW DO YOU. YEAH. HOW DO YOU RETRO THAT. ALL RIGHT, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER TWO. MISTER MORGAN. YES? DANIEL WADE IS HERE FROM OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR THIS CO-SPONSORSHIP,

[NEW BUSINESS:]

YEAH. IT'S NOT HERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ITEM HERE IS FOR THE CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FOR COSTCO FOR THEIR JUNE CARIBBEAN HERITAGE MONTH SEASONAL EVENTS.

THIS IS NORMAL CO-SPONSORSHIP THAT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR IN THE PAST.

THIS IS THE FOURTH ANNUAL CARIBBEAN MONTH THAT THEY WILL BE HOSTING THROUGH THE CO-SPONSORSHIP.

THEY DID DOWNSIZE. THEY USED TO DO A LARGER EVENT IN JUNE, AND THEY HAVE DOWNSIZED TO A BLOCK PARTY AT THE JUDGE CRICKET

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RIGHT? YES. WE DO HAVE THREE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TWO EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BUT HAVE NOT OCCURRED YET, WHICH IS THE GET SOAKED FOR AUTISM, WHICH WILL BE THIS SATURDAY, AND THE EASTER EXTRAVAGANZA ON THE 19TH.

YEAH, THE FAMILY EXTRAVAGANZA CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA IS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. IF THAT WERE TO. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL WHILE I HAVE YOU HAVE YOU LOOKED AT MAKING ANY REVISIONS TO.

I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN WHEN WE'VE MET OVER A YEAR AGO.

YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AT THE MAY 1ST MEETING.

OKAY. REDOING THE PARTNERSHIP? YEP. THE CO-SPONSORSHIP POLICY? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. JUST IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY I'M NEW ON COUNCIL, AND SINCE NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, MY MY MINDSETS CHANGED ON THE CO-SPONSORSHIPS.

I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT MOVING FORWARD AFTER WE EXPENDED $50,000.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE POLICY COME BACK THAT WE THAT WE DON'T DO SPONSORSHIPS IN THE FUTURE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. SO. SO I GUESS THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA SHOULD JUST NOT COME BEFORE US ANYMORE.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? IT'S THAT'S THAT'S BEEN THE THE DIFFERENCE OF ALL CO-SPONSORSHIPS.

BUT IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WELL, MY MY THING FOR THE PAST HAS BEEN WE'RE USING PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS FOR PARTIES, FOR GATHERINGS, FOR CELEBRATIONS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT.

BUT WE'RE USING OTHER PEOPLE'S DOLLARS FOR SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH IS WHY I'VE BEEN SO CONFLICTED GOING BACK AND FORTH INTERNALLY, BECAUSE MY HEART IS LIKE, IT'S FOR A GREAT SERVICE.

IT'S TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. BUT ON THE SAME TOKEN, LET IT COME TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT NONE OF US AGREE WITH THEIR IDEOLOGY.

THEN, BASED OFF THAT, NOW WE'RE CHOOSING ONE OVER THE OTHER JUST BECAUSE OF HOW WE FEEL.

SO RATHER THAN MUDDY THE WATERS, I'M LIKE, JUST DO AWAY WITH ALL OF IT, OR JUST DO IT WITH WHAT? FEE RENTALS INSTEAD OF THE WAIVING OF WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD PAY IN THAT CASE, FOR A POLICE OR FIRE OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT THAT COULD BE A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION DOWN THE LINE.

HE SAID. HE'LL COME BACK TO US ON IT. WE CAN ELABORATE MORE ON IT.

WE GOT THIS IN FRONT OF US RIGHT HERE. BUT I JUST SEE NONPROFITS SAYING, HEY AND I'M NOT SPEAKING TO THE HOUSE OR SO I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT ANY OFFENSE TO BE TAKEN. BUT I SEE OFTENTIMES, HEY, WE HAVE THIS MUCH OF A GAP TO FILL FOR FUNDING.

OH, OKAY. CITY OF PALM BAY HAS THIS PROGRAM. OKAY.

LET'S UTILIZE THEIR DOLLARS TO MAKE UP FOR OUR LACK LACKING IN OUR EVENT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN WITH THIS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.

THE REASON WHY THIS ALL CAME INTO PLACE WAS BECAUSE THE JACK AUDIT INITIALLY.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO FIND A RESOLUTION OF A POLICY TO PUT IN PLACE.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WAS IT PERFECT? NO, IT WAS SOMETHING JUST TO APPEASE THOSE AT THE STATE LEVEL, SO.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA IS UNLIKE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT'S EVER COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL OR ANY PREVIOUS COUNCIL. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT GIVE EVERYTHING FOR FREE.

THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE SPENT OVER IN EXCESS OF 30, 40,000, MAYBE CLOSE TO $50,000 OUT OF THEIR OUT OF WHAT THE PARTNERSHIPS BRING. AND THE EVENT IS TOTALLY FREE, AND IT PROVIDES A VENUE FOR OVER 20,000 OF OUR RESIDENTS.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE WE REALLY NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT EITHER WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THEM DIFFERENTLY

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AND IT IS AT NO COST AND NO COST TO ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS.

NUMBER ONE, AND IT ISN'T A COST TO THE CITY. THERE ARE RESOURCES.

AND THAT IS PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP THAT ALLOWS THIS EVENT TO BE FREE TO THE COMMUNITY.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, IT'S NOT BEFORE US, BUT I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER VENUE FOR THAT TYPE OF EVENT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE IT'S UNLIKE ANY OTHER. BUT THAT'S NOT BEFORE US TODAY.

BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S JUST KIND OF IT TAKES ME BY SURPRISE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT HAVING A PARTY. IT'S ALL ABOUT CREATING A VENUE FOR A COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND BREAK BREAD.

THAT'S HOW I ALWAYS RECEIVED IT. BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A SPEAKER CARD ON THIS BILL BENTON.

I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY AFTER THAT. YES, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET.

AS ALWAYS, I HAVE TO CALL THIS OUT BECAUSE I SEE IT AS PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

WHEN YOU TREAT ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE ONE WAY, THEN YOU ASK ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE, YOU TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY FOR WHAT? YOU KNOW. IT'S PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR IDEOLOGY FOR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO PAY FOR.

YOU MAKE EVERYBODY PAY OR YOU DON'T MAKE ANYBODY PAY.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHICH WAY IT'S GOT TO BE.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'LL MAY 1ST, LOOKING FORWARD, WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF WE DO AWAY WITH ALL OF THEM, THAT WE HAVE A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT ON OUR HANDS, BECAUSE I CAN THINK OF ONE ORGANIZATION THAT SUED THE CITY AND WE TOOK WENT TO COURT AND HIS COURT MANDATED THAT WE SPONSOR THEM NOW, UNFORTUNATELY. SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT COMPLETELY.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT WHERE YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL, HERE'S HOW WE DO CO-SPONSORSHIP.

YOU STILL PAY FOR THE POLICE, YOU STILL PAY FOR THE FIRE.

YOU STILL PAY FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE COMING OUT OF MY BUDGET.

BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE AN ACTUAL OUTLAY, MAYBE I CAN SEE GOING THAT ROUTE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

BUT AS ALWAYS, WHEN YOU'RE TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY, IT'S PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

AND I GOT TO STAY TRUE TO MY WORDS. EVEN THIS IS A GREAT THEY HAVE A GREAT ORGANIZATION, BUT I HAVE TO CALL THEM OUT ON IT BECAUSE IT'S TREATING TREATING THEM SEPARATELY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. I'LL SECOND IT.

GOT A SECOND? BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. GO AHEAD.

SIR. ONE THING I REMEMBER WAS WE HIRED AN EVENT COORDINATOR TO ACTUALLY TURN THESE EVENTS THAT THE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING. THESE WERE EVENTS THAT OUR CITY WAS HAVING.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ALL SEEING THE FOURTH AND FIFTH ANNUAL.

BECAUSE BEFORE THAT, THESE WERE EVENTS THAT THE CITY WAS HOLDING AND SPONSORS WERE COMING IN AND SPONSORING THESE EVENTS.

ARE EVENTS THAT WE HAD WERE ACTUALLY REVENUE BUILDING SERVICES THAT WE DID THAT WE PROVIDED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW OF AN EVENT YOU CAN HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T GET $2,000 IN SPONSORS TO PAY FOR THIS.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO TURNING INTO A LOT OF THESE EVENTS OR THINGS THAT OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT HOLDS, AND THEY NEED TO BE REVENUE BUILDING EVENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY SIMPLE, AND WE'VE DONE BEFORE, AND I THINK THERE'S A FUTURE IN IT IF WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.

BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS UNTIL WE DO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? YES, MAYOR. ON THE ITEM TONIGHT AGAIN? YEAH, I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR IT. BUT SINCE WE WERE DISCUSSING WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE FUTURE YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OTHER COUNCILMEN ARE COMING FROM, AND PROBABLY AGGRAVATE SOME PEOPLE OR MAYBE END UP ON THE NEWS AGAIN.

BUT I SUPPORT DOING SOMETHING FOR EASTER AND CHRISTMAS.

THANK YOU. DANIEL, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

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THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD BRING AT THE MAY 1ST MEETING, WHEN I BRING ALL THE INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS TO DISCUSS AND DECIDE WHAT IT WILL BE FOR THE CITY RUNNING THOSE EVENTS VERSUS WHAT? OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. THANK YOU. RIGHT NOW, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

QUESTION. OH. CARRY ON. DANIEL, THE. AND THE APPLICANT? YEP. THEY'RE ANTICIPATING 400 PEOPLE AT THE CAPTAIN'S HOUSE.

IS THERE PARKING AND BATHROOM FACILITIES AND.

YEAH. SO THE HISTORY OF THAT EVENT, IT'S A I LIKE TO CALL THEM IN AND OUT EVENTS.

IT'S NOT ONE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FOR A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME.

IT'S ONE WHERE PEOPLE WILL COME FOR AN HOUR TO TWO HOURS, AND IT WOULD JUST BE A CYCLING OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THINK CARIBBEAN TIME. THANK YOU. YEAH. RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MR. MORGAN. YES. CHIEF AJELLO CAN PRESENT THIS ITEM.

CHIEF. STEP FORWARD. SIR. FRONT AND CENTER. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS ITEM IS A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING WITH LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT BREVARD COUNTY.

MAINLY FOR US, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS.

WITH REGARDS TO IMMIGRATION GUIDELINES AND ENFORCEMENT.

SO I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LANDRY. YES, CHIEF.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED? WHEN? NO. NEVER MIND.

I'LL TALK ABOUT IT. CAN YOU GO INTO COULD YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON EXACTLY WHAT THIS AUTHORIZES OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO AND WHAT THE TRAINING IS LIKE, ETC.? YEAH. SO SO THIS MOU IS VERY SPECIFIC TO PROVIDING THOSE THAT WILL BE PARTICIPATING WITH THE 287 PROGRAM, WHICH BASICALLY WHAT THE 287 PROGRAM IS, IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH ICE IMMIGRATION, CUSTOMS AND ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S BEEN A LATE NIGHT AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT MUNICIPALITIES AND DEPARTMENTS.

SO BASICALLY, IT'S A 40 HOUR TRAINING THAT AN OFFICER RECEIVES.

IT'S AN ONLINE TRAINING THAT IS ISSUED BY HOMELAND SECURITY AND ICE AND CERTIFIES THAT OFFICER.

NOW, IT DOESN'T ALLOW THE OFFICER TO GO OUT AND ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS.

THEY ARE NOT AN ARM OF ICE, IMMIGRATION, CUSTOMS AND ENFORCEMENT.

IT BASICALLY TO SUM IT UP FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IT.

SO AN OFFICER DOES A TRAFFIC STOP ON THAT INDIVIDUAL WITH THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, RUNS THEM ON THE NATIONAL DATABASE, NCIC, FCIC. AND IT COMES BACK POTENTIALLY THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS A DETAINER FOR THEIR ARREST.

IT'S NOT A JUDICIAL ARREST. SO IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL ARREST.

IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, WHICH IS A REMOVAL WARRANT.

SO BECAUSE THAT OFFICER RECEIVED THAT TRAINING, THEY THEN NOTIFY THE SERVICE CENTER THAT'S DIRECTLY TO IMMIGRATION CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT INFORMS THEM WHO THEY ARE, THEIR CREDENTIALS THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED, THE TRAINING THAT THEY'RE CERTIFIED TO DO.

SO NOTIFIED THEM OF THE ARREST, THE INDIVIDUAL, THEY CONFIRM, AND THEN THEY TRANSPORT THEM TO THE LOCAL 287 G FACILITY, WHICH HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY, THE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE JAIL COMPLEX.

AND THAT'S IT. WE DROP THEM OFF. IF THERE'S NO OTHER LOCAL CHARGES, IT'S JUST A REMOVAL WARRANT.

THEN THAT COMPLEX, THE JAIL COMPLEX CAN HOLD THEM FOR UP TO 48 HOURS.

SO. SO KIND OF TO EXPLAIN OR FOR CLARITY, IF, IF IN THE COURSE OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, A PALM BAY POLICE OFFICER'S, YOU KNOW, DAILY ROUTINE, WHETHER IT BE A TRAFFIC STOP OR STOPPING SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS, AND THEN THEY REALIZE THAT THEY'RE THEY THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY, THEN THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY TRAINED TO TAKE THEM TO THE BREVARD COUNTY JAIL, AND THEN IT'LL BE AND THEN THEY COME BACK TO PALM BAY AND IT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

CORRECT. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKING FOR PEOPLE AT THRIFTY'S OR NOT AT ALL.

AND THE MOU IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THAT, THAT OUR OFFICERS WILL NOT BE GOING OUT DOING RAIDS, KNOCKING ON DOORS, CHECKING STATUSES. IT'S MAINLY IF WE COME INTO CONTACT WITH AN INDIVIDUAL,

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AND, AND IT COMES OUT THAT THERE'S A DETAINER. THAT'S WHEN IF THAT OFFICER IS CERTIFIED AND TRAINED, IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO FIND AND LOCATE ONE.

WHETHER WE WAIT FOR AN ICE OFFICIAL TO RESPOND, WHICH COULD BE HOURS, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

AND AT THAT POINT, IF IT IS A TRAFFIC STOP, WE HAVE TO TREAT IT AS ANY OTHER TRAFFIC STOP.

WE PULLED THEM OVER FOR A SPECIFIC VIOLATION.

WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT TRAFFIC STOP WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NOT THERE. OFFICIAL IS NOT THERE IN THAT REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, WE HAVE TO RELEASE THAT INDIVIDUAL. HOW ABOUT HOW MUCH PERCENT OF THE FORCE DO YOU DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TRAINED? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING SOME FOLKS THROUGH THERE. I DON'T WANT TO USE THIS SETTING TO IDENTIFY WHO THEY WILL BE AND HOW MANY.

BUT WE WILL BE PUTTING SOME OFFICERS INTO THAT TRAINING FACILITY.

YEAH. I GUESS TO MAKE THE POINT, IT'LL BE A DECENT AMOUNT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PRETTY SOLID COVERAGE TO HAVE COVERAGE.

CORRECT? YEAH. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, NO INDEPENDENT IMMIGRATION RAIDS OR TARGETED ENFORCEMENT.

PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT CONDUCT SELF INITIATED IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS, WORKPLACE RAIDS, OR TARGETED INVESTIGATIONS BASED SOLELY ON IMMIGRATION STATUS.

ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS RELATED TO IMMIGRATION WILL ONLY BE CONDUCTED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION OF ICE AND WITHIN THE SCOPE OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW. AND THEN IT GOES ON.

YOU COULD YOU COULD SEE THE LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM FOR ALL THOSE DETAILS, BUT COUNCILMAN HAMMER, YOU HAD A QUESTION. YES. I SAW THIS AS A MANDATE STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

DO THEY FUND THE TRAINING FOR THESE OFFICERS? IS IT SOMETHING I DON'T SEE HERE? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT.

IT'S AN ONLINE COURSE THAT WE CAN DO WHILE THEY'RE WORKING. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A 40 HOUR CLASS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING WITH THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS HERE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN REALLY IRONED OUT YET FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

THANK YOU. OR STATE LEVEL, I SHOULD SAY STATE.

SO AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS. SEVERAL. SO PLEASE DON'T GO.

FOSTER JOY WALTON.

GOOD EVENING. YES. YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE.

YES, MA'AM. DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS TO ME. SO HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO ANSWER SEVERAL OF MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE.

HOWEVER, I DID WANT TO JUST MAKE A CLARIFICATION, IF I MAY ASK THAT.

OR YOU CAN ASK HIM FOR ME IF WHEN ONLY, LET'S SAY PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS WOULD BE DOING THIS.

NOT LIKE THE SECURITY PEOPLE WHO YOU SEE DRIVING AROUND SOMETIMES.

I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE. YEAH, THIS IS A A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS BETWEEN PALM BAY PD AND ICE. OKAY. AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE RECOURSE IF YOU YOU HAVE PICKED UP SOMEONE IN ERROR? WHAT'S THE RECOURSE? I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT, BUT THANK YOU.

WHY DON'T YOU LIST ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? OH, YOU'VE GOT TWO MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL SEE HOW HE RESPONDS.

ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT DO I IF YOU'RE STOPPING SOMEONE FOR, FOR A TRAFFIC STOP.

AND AS YOU SAID, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCEDURE, SOMEBODY WAS SPEEDING.

YOU STOP THEM, YOU GIVE THEM THE TICKET. NO ONE FROM ICE HAS ARRIVED THERE.

THEY'RE RELEASED. BUT THEN WHAT? DO THEY TURN YOUR NAME OVER TO? ICE AND, LIKE. AND GIVE THEM A LOCATION AS TO WHERE THAT PERSON HAPPENS TO BE.

I SHOULD LIKE TO KNOW, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

NOT ME. I'M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR A FRIEND. I LOVE YOUR PERSONALITY, MA'AM.

THE CHIEF WILL ANSWER. SO WITH REGARDS TO THE THE FIRST QUESTION VERIFYING THE WARRANT.

SO WE VERIFY THESE WARRANTS, DETAINER OR NO DETAINER WHEN WE RUN AN INDIVIDUAL THROUGH NCIC FCIC, IT COMES BACK THAT THERE'S A HIT ON AN INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER IT'S A DETAINER, WHETHER IT'S A JUDICIAL WARRANT FOR A CRIMINAL OFFENSE OR REMOVAL OR ARREST. THEN WE SEND FOR CONFIRMATION. SO THIS WOULD BE THIS APPLIES THE SAME THING.

SO WHEN WE NOTIFY AND WE CALL THAT OFFICER CALLS THAT SERVICE CENTER WHICH IS DIRECTLY TO IMMIGRATION CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT.

THEY CONFIRM THAT YES. SAID INDIVIDUAL HAS A DETAINER FOR A REMOVAL OR ARREST ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT.

AND THAT'S HOW IT'S VERIFIED AND CONFIRMED. OKAY.

WITH REGARDS TO I FORGOT. THE SECOND QUESTION IS IF YOU RELEASED THEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM THEIR TRAFFIC TICKET,

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YOU KNOW, WE DO MAINTAIN THAT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SENDING THESE THESE OFFICERS TO THIS CERTIFICATION TO BE TRAINED.

WE WON'T BE WAITING FOR ICE. AND THIS IS A COUNTY WIDE INITIATIVE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR ICE.

IT WOULD BE THAT WE CALL A NEIGHBORING CITY. IF NOBODY WORKING ON OUR SHIFT THAT EVENING COMES ACROSS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT MAY HAVE A REMOVAL WARRANT FOR FROM FROM ICE.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. NEXT SPEAKER, BILL BENTON.

THEN ROBERT STICE. BILL BENTON, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY, IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SUPPORTING DONALD AND AND RON.

THEY'LL THEY'LL GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. SEE, I'M ON FIRST NAME BASIS WITH THEM.

YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? BUT I'M. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MY COUNCIL IS EVEN CONSIDERING THE FACT OF SUPPORTING THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE AS RESIDENTS, AS THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY VOTED FOR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SALEM, STICE. SPACE.

GOOD NIGHT. ROBERTS. NICE 17. WHERE AM I AT? 1796 LYNBROOK DRIVE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT, IN MY OPINION.

THERE WERE NOT JUST 10 MILLION PEOPLE ENTERED INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

I THINK THE NUMBER IS 15 MILLION. OKAY, SO YOU TAKE 10% OF THAT.

THAT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. THERE'S ABOUT 1.5 EVIL FREAKING PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE 30%. THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I, WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT ICE IS THAT ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE THAT WE CAN HOLD AND DETAIN? THE POLICE CAN HOLD TO DETAIN WITH WITH THE ATF IS HERE OR THE DEA OR FEDERAL MARSHALS. I MEAN, YOU IDENTIFY A A VIOLENT CRIMINAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND SO THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE MULTIPLE AGENCIES THAT MANY TIMES WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH ICE.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. MR. SACHSE, I JUST NEED YOU TO ASK THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME FOR ME. GOOD EVENING. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE ICE RAIDS IN THE BIGGER CITIES, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HAVE OFFICERS WITH ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS AND FIREARMS. YOU'LL HAVE FEDERAL AIR MARSHALS. YOU MAY HAVE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IS THAT ALSO MARITIME? GOT IT. SO THIS IS A STATE INITIATIVE.

SO IT'S NOT A FEDERAL INITIATIVE. SO THIS IS A STATE INITIATIVE SET DOWN FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WHICH REQUIRES ALL STATE.

NOT REQUIRES ALL STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WERE THE FIRST TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE GOVERNOR GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, AND THEN THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICES, AND THEN THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO IN NO RELATION ARE WE IS THIS ANYTHING TO DO WITH NOW? CAN'T CONTROL WHAT ICE DECIDES TO DO FROM A FEDERAL LEVEL.

BUT WE WON'T BE WORKING WITH ATF OR THE MARSHALS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TASK FORCE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THEM.

DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. SO IT'S FOR CRIMINAL, JUDICIAL TYPE INVESTIGATIONS AND NOT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATIONS WITH CUSTOMS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. STICE? THEY DO HAVE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE OTHER AGENCIES, BUT NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEMORANDUM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? WELL, WHILE WE'RE HERE. THAT COVERS ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS.

WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO, YEAH, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR WITH WHERE I STAND.

I'M OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTING THIS. HOLD ON A SECOND.

OH, WAIT. YEAH. JUST MAKE THE MOTION. YES. THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

GO! I SECOND THE MOTION. OH. OKAY. SORRY. FOR THE RECORD.

OKAY, WELL, I GUESS I MADE THE MOTION, SO I'LL GO AHEAD.

ALRIGHT. YEAH, I, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS. YOU KNOW, I WISH WE COULD GO.

YOU KNOW, I WISH WE COULD BE EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH IT, HONESTLY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE THINGS TO DO AS WELL.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH HOLDING FACILITIES RIGHT NOW.

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BUT I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT WITH THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THING, THAT IT'S THAT IT'S WE'RE JUST GOING AFTER THESE NICE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST COMING HERE FOR A NEW LIFE.

OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S BEEN.

THERE ARE COUNTRIES EMPTYING OUT THEIR PRISONS.

THEY'RE SENDING GANG MEMBERS. BUT IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

THERE'S BEEN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AFGHAN PASSPORTS THAT HAVE COME ACROSS THE BORDER.

THERE'S POSSIBLY. WELL, THERE'S NOT POSSIBLY.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY RADICAL INSURGENTS THAT HAVE COME.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN FLYING INTO SOUTH AMERICA FROM AROUND THE WORLD AND COMING UP THROUGH THE DARIEN GAP ACROSS OUR COUNTRY.

AND YES, THE CHINESE HAVE BEEN FUNDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THEIR OWN RESIDENTS TO COME IN AND TAKE OVER CERTAIN POPULATION SECTORS OF OUR COUNTRY.

THERE'S A LOT OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING INVOLVED. KIDS ARE HURT.

WOMEN ARE EXPLOITED. THIS IS A DIRTY, DIRTY, DANGEROUS BUSINESS.

IT'S BAD FOR OUR COUNTRY. EVEN THE ONES WITH GOOD INTENTIONS GET WRAPPED UP IN BAD FOR THEM TO COME OVER ILLEGALLY AS WELL.

AND THEN IT ALSO HAS A NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE PAYMENTS THAT ARE BEING SENT OUT OF OUR COUNTRY OVER TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

FOR THOSE THAT DO, JUST COME OVER HERE TO WORK.

SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND I'M INCREDIBLY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE A FEDERAL AND A STATE ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE WILLING TO ADDRESS THIS.

THAT SAID, IF WE CAN ALL LOOK AT FORT MYERS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T VOTE FOR IT, I'D BE VOTING FOR IT ANYWAYS. BUT FORT MYERS DECIDED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS AN OPTIONAL FROM THE STATE, AND THEY FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY AND HAD A SPECIAL MEETING AT TWO DAYS LATER AND AND VOTED ON THIS ITEM AGAIN.

SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEST THAT WE VOTE ON THIS AND ALLOW OUR, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, GET THE TRAINING THEY NEED TO GET. OKAY, I GOT A MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? I GOT A MOTION AND I GOT A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON COUNCIL REPORTS. OKAY. I'VE GOT I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS ON MY COUNCIL REPORT.

[COUNCIL REPORTS:]

JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT ABOUT FROM WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT EARLIER TILL NOW.

WE WERE DISCUSSING CATHOLIC CHARITIES EARLIER AND THE ROLE THAT THEY DO.

I THINK SHE SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF 17 HOUSEHOLDS OVER THE PAST YEAR WHERE THEY PREVENTED HOMELESSNESS.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE. AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT IS WE HAVE OTHER LOCAL CHARITIES OTHER LOCAL NONPROFITS THAT DO VERY SIMILAR THINGS, AND THEY'RE ONLY LOCAL AND THEY ONLY WORK LOCALLY.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TIES IN A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE.

MAYOR, THAT I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT IS THE NATIONAL VETERAN HOMELESS SUPPORT. AND THEY'RE NOT ON OUR LIST, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

THEY ALMOST HAVE. WE HAVE SO LITTLE HOMELESS VETERANS IN OUR COUNTY BECAUSE OF THEM.

THEIR MAIN EFFORT RIGHT NOW IS KEEPING VETS IN THEIR HOME.

THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING THEY PAY FOR. YOU KNOW, IF A VETERAN IS CLOSE TO MISSING A PAYMENT OR MISSING A UTILITIES PAYMENT OR MISSING THEIR RENT, THEY GO IN AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO MAYBE CATHOLIC CHARITIES THAT DOES SOMETHING SIMILAR. IT'S 100% LOCAL, THE FOUNDERS LOCAL.

I THINK THE FOUNDER PASSED AWAY, BUT THE FOUNDER'S SON RUNS IT.

NOW IS LOCAL. ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE LOCAL, AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY DOING THE SAME GOOD WORK.

SO THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT THAT I HAD IN BETWEEN EARLIER AND NOW.

AND JUST PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS THEY'RE WELCOME TO APPLY FOR THAT PROCESS.

OKAY. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THEY, THEY SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT AND THEY'RE WELCOME TO APPLY.

GOOD TO GO. GOOD TO GO. ALL RIGHT. SO THE SECOND ITEM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SO I'M A LITTLE UPSET TONIGHT ABOUT HOW WE STARTED THIS MEETING, AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT IT.

I KNOW IT'S LATE. AND BUT LET ME JUST TAKE THE WORD CHICKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION.

OKAY? THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN AFTER THE COUNCIL GAVE CONSENT MULTIPLE MEETINGS AGO TO PUT THE ITEM ON THE PROCESS THAT HAS GONE INTO PLACE BEHIND THE SCENES ON THIS AGENDA ITEM STARTED WITH MY CAMPAIGN ITSELF KNOCKING DOORS.

I HAD ALMOST A DOZEN PEOPLE TELL ME I REALLY WISH THAT THE CHICKEN POPULATION WAS HIGHER.

SO THEN AFTER HITTING SOME OF MY OTHER PRIORITIES, I WENT AHEAD AND DID A CENSUS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

I GOT HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS ASKED IF WE COULD RAISE THE CHICKEN POPULATION.

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SO IT WAS BROUGHT UP? NOT RIGHT AWAY. WE HAD ABOUT A MONTH.

I WENT, I CALLED, I CALLED HIGH LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT FROM THE HEALTH, FROM HEALTH AGENCIES, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DISCUSS THE, THE, THE, THE BIRD FLU THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND.

I WENT TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND LOOKED AT SOME RESIDENTS WHO HAVE FOUR CHICKENS AND SOME RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY HAVE MORE THAN FOUR CHICKENS AND SHOULDN'T, BUT I WENT AND LOOKED AT WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.

SO THERE WAS A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT WENT IN. GENTLEMEN, YOU ALL KNOW I'M GETTING MARRIED ON SATURDAY AND I WAS IN NIGHT CLASS LAST NIGHT.

I GET UP AT 530 EVERY MORNING TO GO TO WORK. I DID THIS MORNING AND I'M GOING TO GO TOMORROW.

I'M TIRED. I WANT TO GO HOME. BUT I RAN ON A PLATFORM OF MAKING CHANGE IN THE CITY.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYONE ELSE, BUT I THINK COUNCILMAN HAMMER WOULD AGREE. HE RAN ON A SIMILAR PLATFORM. WE WANTED TO MAKE CHANGE IN THE CITY.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER BEAT AN INCUMBENT BY FIVE POINTS, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.

AND THE POINT OF THAT WAS THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH HOW THINGS WERE GOING.

SO AGAIN, CHANGE IS GOING TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE.

IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE PUTTING CONTROVERSIAL AGENDA ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US HAVING A DEBATE.

I'VE NEVER TAKEN IT PERSONALLY. LOSING A VOTE 4 TO 1, DYING WITHOUT A SECOND.

I'M GOOD WITH IT. WHAT WHAT I FEEL INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTED BY, AND THAT I DON'T APPRECIATE, IS HAVING IS AS A DULY ELECTED MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, ONE OF FIVE OF US ELECTED BY ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON AND THEN HAVE IT RIPPED OFF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AND ACTUALLY, SO AND I KNOW THE REASON WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GO HOME TONIGHT EARLIER.

AND I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE, ACTUALLY, IN MY COUNCIL REPORTS, ANOTHER WAY THAT WE COULD STREAMLINE OUR MEETINGS, I VOTED TO STREAMLINE OUR MEETINGS WHEN WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, SO THAT THERE WAS TIME AT THE END OF MEETINGS FOR ME TO BRING UP CHANGES AND FOR US TO HAVE GOOD DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ON CERTAIN ITEMS THAT CONSTITUENTS HAVE COME TO ME AGAIN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I SAID, I DON'T HAVE CHICKENS. THIS DOESN'T IMPACT ME.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO GET CHICKENS. I HAD RESIDENTS AND EVENTUALLY HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS COME WITH THIS ITEM.

AND I HAD AT LEAST FIVE RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM AS WELL.

AND MOST OF THEM LEFT AS SOON AS WE RIPPED IT OFF.

THE AGENDA. SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S A POLICY THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.

IF A COUNCILMAN GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PUTTING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE NO, LET'S VOTE NO AND WE CAN MOVE ON.

BUT I WOULD NEVER VOTE TO RIP ONE OF YOUR AGENDA ITEMS OFF THE AGENDA, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST SOMETHING I ABSOLUTELY DIDN'T AGREE WITH, I WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN I WOULD I WOULD VOTE HOW I WANT TO VOTE AND I WOULD HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S JUST A CONCERN OF MINE. AND I HOPE THAT MOVING FORWARD THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT YOU WOULD RESPECT, THAT DEFINITELY AGGRAVATED ME TONIGHT. BUT I UNDERSTAND IF IT DOESN'T.

SO THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE WAS I WAS GOING TO ADD ANOTHER STREAMLINE ITEM TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ADD THAT IN MY COUNCIL REPORTS TONIGHT.

SO THANK YOU. I'LL YIELD. THANK YOU. ANYONE WANT TO RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMOND? WELL, NO, I'LL RESPOND BECAUSE.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS. IT'S NO OFFENSE TO YOU PERSONALLY, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR HEART WITH US.

AS YOU KNOW, I WAS THE THIRD VOTE ON THIS, AND I WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PAST WEEK, AS I WAS SITTING IN MY BACKYARD, I LITERALLY HEARD ROOSTERS.

I'M LIKE, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, ONCE WE OPEN THE FLOODGATES, I DON'T SEE YOU STOPPING.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS, YOU ALSO HAVE A RIGHT TO MAINTAIN YOUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T PAID THEIR STORMWATER FEES FOR YEARS.

LIKE IF WE WERE TO GO TACKLE SOMETHING, WE SHOULD BE TACKLING BIGGER ISSUES, I FEEL LIKE.

SO MAYBE DOWN THE LINE IF IF THE NEED IS REALLY THERE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS. COUNCILMAN.

SO. AND, MAYOR, CAN I JUST RESPECTFULLY RESPOND TO.

LET ME JUST LET ME JUST SAY I WITNESSED ON FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT TRYING TO TO BRING THINGS UP IN, IN, WITHIN OUR CITY, TO IMPROVE OUR CITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, THIS ISSUE SO MANY YEARS AGO DIVIDED OUR CITY.

I HAD A I DIDN'T I WAS A MAYOR, BUT IT WAS A FULL CHAMBER.

AND IF YOU JUST TOOK. AND I KNOW YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT JUST THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT CAME OUT,

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AND THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S WHY I SAID, THIS IS THIS CAN GO DOWNHILL QUICKLY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

AND THAT WAS MY CONCERN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

SO I SHARE THAT THIS ISSUE OF ALLOWING ADDITIONAL CHICKENS COULD REALLY TURN THE FLOODGATES AND IT'D BE NOTHING TO, TO IMPROVE OUR CITY.

THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE THEN GOING TO BE CODE POLICED WHERE YOU KNOW YOU YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REGULATE JUST EIGHT.

WHO'S GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND COUNT EIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 15. SO IT JUST OPENED UP A PANDORA'S BOX FOR ME.

AND I SAID THAT INITIALLY. I DO APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR YOUR, YOUR HEART, BUT IT WAS ALL A WHILE A DISCUSSION OF AN AMENDMENT TO THIS, TO OUR ORDINANCE. IT WASN'T AN ORDINANCE.

IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION. SO WHEN COUNCIL WHEN DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE MADE THAT MOTION, I SAID, YEAH, THAT, THAT THAT'D BE GREAT FOR US NOT TO EVEN CONSIDER THIS, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA ITEM AND ALL THE WORK THAT STAFF DID TO BRING US BACK TO WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, MEANING COUNCIL AND THESE CHAMBERS BEFORE US.

IT IT WAS VALID TO ME NOT TO EVEN GO DOWN THAT PAGE, SIR.

SO THOSE WERE MY REASONS. NOW, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN.

YEAH. AND IT'S THE SAME RESPONSE TO BOTH OF YOU.

WE JUST HAD GREAT DISCUSSION ON IT, AND YOU BOTH JUST BROUGHT UP GREAT IDEAS.

AND WE COULD HAVE JUST HAD THAT DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM.

AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD HAVE VOTED NO AND I WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN IT PERSONALLY AT ALL.

BUT TO RIP AN AGENDA ITEM OUT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I THINK I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE COULD DO THAT.

I THINK IT'S KIND OF WILD. I THINK IT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION YOU BROUGHT UP.

YOU BOTH BROUGHT UP GREAT POINTS. I JUST WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

AND IF WE VOTE NO, WE VOTE NO AND WE MOVE ON.

THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.

COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. YEAH. I HAVE THREE THINGS.

FIRST, I WANT TO TOUCH ON HOW THANKFUL I AM FOR SACRIFICE PARK.

I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, JULIET.

I HAVE LIVED IN PALM BAY MY WHOLE LIFE, AND I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD WHEN THEY LOCKED US DOWN.

THERE WAS. EVERYBODY GO IN YOUR HOUSES. WE HAD A BIG, HUGE WOODEN BOX TV, AND I HID BEHIND IT.

THAT'S. THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF PALM BAY. I'M SEVEN YEARS OLD, AND I'M THINKING SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME AT THE DOOR.

THAT'S HUGE. AND TO SEE WHAT AN AMAZING THING YOU GUYS BUILT TO, TO SHOW OUR RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LOST THEIR LIVES.

TODAY IS HUGE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY CAUGHT ME THAT DAY WASN'T THE MONUMENT.

IT WASN'T EVERYBODY'S NAMES THAT ARE THERE. IT'S SOMETHING MR. TALKED ABOUT WAS TRAINING WAS THE EMPTY SPOTS.

THERE'S EMPTY SPOTS ON THERE BECAUSE IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND THAT HELD SO MUCH WEIGHT IN ME WHEN I WAS EXPERIENCED THE GROUND BREAKING FOR IT.

AND IT LED ME TO THINK OF OTHER THINGS. WE DO HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON AT LIBERTY PARK WHERE SOME FUNDING IS GOING THERE.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A WALL OR SOMETHING FOR FALLEN VETERANS.

PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, STAFF SERGEANT TRISTAN, RIGHT? IF THAT'S EVER SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO.

THERE'S A BIG THUMBS UP ON THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO.

I THINK VETERANS PARK WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

RIGHT? EVEN VETERANS PARK, BECAUSE WE HAVE 3000 VETERANS THAT LOST THEIR LIVES IN BATTLE.

JEREMIAH SANCHO GUNNERY SERGEANT GIFFORD AND AND THE YOUNG MAN THAT HIS HIS BROTHER'S A TEACHER AT ODYSSEY.

MR.. BENJAMIN HORSLEY. HORSLEY. YEAH. YEAH. JUSTIN.

HORSLEY. YUP. SO THOSE THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS I MENTIONED, AND THERE WAS CREIGHTON WELDON, WHO WAS THE VERY FIRST PALM BAY THAT WE LOST IN THE OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM.

BUT. CARRY ON. COUNCILMAN. YES, I WOULD LOVE TO TO GET EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THAT.

AND GIVING STAFF A DIRECTION TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

AND I MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND GET IT SPONSORED AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

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YEAH. AND AND SO I GOT YOU GOT A THUMBS UP FROM ME.

SO, MAYOR I OBVIOUSLY, I LOVE THIS. JUST TO GIVE SOME INSIGHT.

I ACTUALLY, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM YET. WE TALKED ABOUT TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I HAVE A CONCEPT THAT I'VE ALREADY BEEN THINKING ABOUT.

THAT I'M GOING TO DISCUSS WITH MISTER DICKS AND WITH ASHTON PARK.

AND IT WOULD IN MY MIND, NOT COST THE CITY ANY MONEY OR INVOLVE ANY STAFF HOURS, BUT STILL ACCOMPLISH THE SAME MISSION.

I'M GOOD EITHER WAY, SIR. I'M GOOD EITHER WAY.

I JUST. WHEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I.

I JUST WANT US TO BE CAUTIOUS WITH THE LEGALITY ISSUES OF THOSE THINGS.

RIGHT. SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE WORKING WITH STAFF AND OUR ATTORNEY.

I'M GOOD. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF OF OF EITHER LIBERTY OR VETERANS PARK, JUST BECAUSE THAT LEAVES IT TO WHERE WE GET TO DO OUR DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON WHO'S UP THERE, WE GET TO DO THE RESEARCH ON IT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING, I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO JUST BE US THAT'S DOING IT.

I'M OKAY WITH BOTH MAYOR OR THE OTHER. ALRIGHT, LET'S DO IT.

SO YOU GOT YOU GOT YOU BOTH CAN WORK IT. YOU KNOW, I, I SEE JULIET, SHE'S ALREADY GUNG HO ABOUT IT.

I SEE HER TWINKLE IN HER EYE, RIGHT. SO, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

AND MY LAST THING IS IT'S SOMETHING FORMER COUNCILMAN WEINBERG TOUCHED ON IS TO LOCK IN A DATE ANNUALLY THAT WE HAVE EVALUATIONS. OUR COUNCIL OF ANNUAL EVALUATES OUR CHARTER.

CHARTER? CHARTER OFFICERS. IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, I THINK IT'S I'M A I'M I'M A BIG PERSON FOR ORGANIZATION ON THINGS LIKE THIS.

AND IF WE CAN SOMEHOW COME UP WITH A DATE THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR COMES AROUND, IT'S TIME TO DO EVALUATIONS.

WELL, LET'S WAIT TILL MR. MORGAN GETS HERE OR MR. MORTON GETS HE STARTED MAY 1ST. SO APRIL SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD.

EVERY APRIL. APRIL. SO. SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

IT HAS FALLEN BACK IN THE LAST YEARS AND YEARS.

TO WHERE? TO WHERE WE DON'T GET TO. I'M GOOD WITH THAT, SIR.

OKAY. I THINK YOU GOT CONSENSUS THERE. THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S ALL. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. I'M GOOD.

MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. YEAH. A COUPLE OF THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT AFTER WE WRAPPED UP THE DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANDLER OR MR..

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD BE OFFENDED, SIR.

SO THAT'S A FAIR POINT. SO NO OFFENSE. WAS WAS MEANT.

I WAS HONESTLY CONFUSED THAT IT HIT THE AGENDA.

I THOUGHT THAT NIGHT THERE WASN'T CONSENSUS. I FOUND OUT LATER THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY WAS SQUISHY SQUASHY.

BUT ANYWAYS, NO OFFENSE WAS WAS MEANT. I JUST WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK THERE.

AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE HEARD FROM HENRY MORAN AND KIRA, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I DON'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME. THEY CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT AN ISSUE WITH FPL ON A PROJECT THAT PALM BAY HAD INVESTED IN AND FOUND OUT TODAY, THROUGH THE HELP OF STAFF AND THE COMMENTS MADE AT THAT MEETING, THAT THAT JOB IS NOW ENERGIZED.

SO MR. MARTIN HAD REACHED OUT TO ME ASKING ME IF I'D SHARE THAT TONIGHT IN COUNCIL REPORTS.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. SO FOR MY COUNCIL REPORTS I'VE BEEN GETTING.

AND YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THIS. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THEY TAGGED YOU ON FACEBOOK EVERY NOW AND THEN.

SO IT APPEARS THAT WINN-DIXIE THE SHOPPING CENTER, IS BECOMING DILAPIDATED WITH A LOT OF DEBRIS AND DISREGARD TO WHAT PEOPLE CONSIDER ESTHETICALLY BEAUTIFUL IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO I WANTED US TO SEE IF WE REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPER, IF THERE'S A SWEEPER THAT THEY COULD USE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE AND I NOTICED THERE'S A LOT OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, PEOPLE JUST ARE THROWING GARBAGE EVERYWHERE, AND IT'S JUST UNBECOMING. IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A A REALLY BIG METROPOLIS THAT PEOPLE DON'T CARE.

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THERE'S TRASH JUST ABOUT ON THE STREET. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO OTHER THAN JUST SHARE.

HEY, CAN YOU CLEAN UP THIS MESS? BUT IT'S IT'S REALLY NOT LOOKING PRETTY IN OUR CITY.

AND THAT THAT ENDS MY REPORT. IF WE COULD GET SOME ACTION THERE.

MISTER MORGAN, ANY REPORTS? ANYTHING TO REPORT?

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS:]

AND HE HAS PROPOSED A START DATE OF MAY THE 1ST.

RIGHT ON TIME. MADAM SMITH? YES, SIR. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LEGISLATIVE TO COORDINATE ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DID, YOU KNOW, SOLICIT SOME TIMES THAT WERE NOT BEFORE A COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PLAUSIBLE. I DO HAVE TWO THAT RESPONDED THAT APRIL 17TH AT 530 WORK I'M TRYING TO SEEK IF I HAVE A BECAUSE OF COURSE, WE KNOW I NEED AT LEAST THREE IF I HAVE A QUORUM FOR APRIL 17TH AT 530 FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'VE GOT ONE.

OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU GOT THREE. MAKE MY FOUR. 17.

YES. SO. APRIL 17TH, 2025 AT 530. OKAY. MY OFFICE IS SEEKING YOUR ADVICE REGARDING THE FOLLOWING LITIGATION MATTERS. ALEXIS RAY TILLMAN VERSUS CITY OF PALM BAY ZERO FIVE 2024 CA 052118. AND LAWRENCE MCINTYRE VERSUS CITY OF PALM BAY, ZERO FIVE 2023 056123. ME IS ATTORNEY CLIENT SESSION IS EXPECTED TO BE 30 MINUTES IN LENGTH.

THE ATTENDEES WILL BE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL INTERIM CITY MANAGER SCOTT MORGAN, CITY ATTORNEY PATRICIA SMITH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY RODNEY EDWARDS, AND A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.