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ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
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THIS IS THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING.WEDNESDAY, APRIL 22ND, 2025, 6 P.M.. CALL TO ORDER AT 601.
HERE IN THE CITY HALL. COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WE'LL GO TO CALL DOING THE CALL TO ORDER.
AND THEN IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AWESOME. AND THEN GO AHEAD. WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
LOGAN. LEWIS. HERE. REBECCA. ZIEGLER. HERE. SUSAN.
CONNELLY. HERE. JANE. HIGGINS. HERE. JESSICA LAVELLE, WE HAVE QUORUM.
AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO THIS WILL BE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NON-AGENDA ITEMS ONLY.
ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO INTO NEW BUSINESS.
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NOW WE HAVE THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN REVIEW.UNDER BUILD. WE DON'T HAVE OUR SCRIBE HERE, SO WE'LL HAVE TO BE MORE DETAILED SO WE CAN RELAY AT THE NEXT MEETING. WELL, DEREK'S GOING TO ATTEMPT TO SCRIBE REAL TIME RIGHT NOW.
OH, OKAY. SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SEE, I'M JUST GOING TO PULL UP MY AND JOT SOME NOTES.
I FIND IT. OKAY. BUILT BUILD. I THINK THIS IS THE. YEAH. BUILT ENVIRONMENT, ENERGY AND BUILDINGS.
RIGHT. FOR THE BUILD. SO LAST WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KNOCK A DENT.
IS THAT RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN COMPLETE COMPLETE IT.
THAT'S MY GOAL. OKAY. YEAH. IF WE DO IT. DO. OKAY, SO LET'S SEE.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME PAPERS HERE THAT Y'ALL BROUGHT OR SUBMITTED SUSAN'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WHAT ARE THESE? THIS SECOND ONE THAT'S FROM JESSICA.
OH, JESSICA. YEAH, IT'S FROM JESSICA. HER. HER COMMENTS.
OH, OKAY. OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET.
AND THEN THE. OH, WAIT. TWO. THE CURRENT PLAN.
THIS ONE. WHERE IS THIS ONE FROM? IS IT FROM STAFF? NO, THAT'S A COPY THAT YOU DID THE ORIGINAL WAY BACK WHEN THAT FIRST CAME OUT.
YOURS. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. SO WHAT THE BOARD ASKED ME TO DO, BECAUSE I HAD ORIGINALLY SAID I WOULD DELETE THE WHOLE ENTIRE SECTION AND START FRESH. AND THEN I PRESENTED A LIST OF WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO GO IN IT TO REPLACE IT.
OKAY. I WENT BACK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OVERLAPS OF THINGS I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, AND THERE WERE ACTUALLY ONLY TWO THAT WERE SIMILAR.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A SEPARATE IDEA. SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS SEE WHERE JESSICA AGREES WITH THE STRIKEOUTS ARE, WHAT SHE'S SAYING, IN ESSENCE, AGREEING WITH ME TO STRIKE OUT THAT SECTION.
YEAH, I THINK WE COULD QUICKLY, IF YOU ALL TRUST TWO OPINIONS.
YEAH. AND I THINK THE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUT ON ALL OF THEM.
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STRIKE OUT LOCAL BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY. YES.SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND STRIKE THOSE. YES. NOW, WHEN I WAS DOING MY RECOMMENDATIONS, I DID LOOK THROUGH THOSE, THOUGH, JUST TO SEE IF ANY COULD BE MODIFIED AND USED.
BUT AND IT LOOKS LIKE SHE DID THE SAME THING AS WELL.
OKAY. SO I'M JUST STRIKING THOSE. COMMUNITY. AND THEN I GUESS WE'LL JUST WORK ON GOAL ONE RIGHT NOW, SHE ADDED. SEE READ RECOMMEND.
NEW ITALICS COMMENT STRIKETHROUGH REMOVING GREEN SUPPORT OF KEEPING SO NEW.
THAT'S A HARD WORD TODAY. IMPROVEMENTS AND RETROFITS OF EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO SHE RECOMMENDS RECOMMENDED NEW. SO ADDING THAT I THINK IS WHAT SHE MEANS LIKE AS A GOAL OBJECTIVE OR LIKE A AS A GOAL. REPLACING WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
AND IF YOU WILL. SO YOU WERE GOOD WITH A AND SHE WAS SAYING NO B IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE GOOD WITH B.
OH NO I'M NOT GOOD WITH B. NO. OH WAIT, MAYBE WORK WITH STATE REGIONAL WORK WITH STATE REGIONAL AND LOCAL PARTNERS TO SUPPORT BUILDING SECTOR WIDE SHIFTS TOWARDS ENERGY EFFICIENT PRACTICES AND FOSSIL FUEL FREE BUILDING SYSTEMS AND PROGRAMS. TO JESSICA WAS SAYING THE STRIKE THAT YOU WERE SAYING TO KEEP IT, WHAT'S THE BOARD I THINK. I THINK THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE THE OVERARCHING GOAL THAT IS UNREALISTIC OF THE 0% ENERGY.
SO I THINK THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF A PROCESS. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A B BECAUSE YOU ALL BOTH WANT A.
SO WE'RE GOOD WITH KEEPING A. BUT THE DEBATE RIGHT NOW IS B, I SEE B AS BEING IN A WAY REDUNDANT BECAUSE IF YOU ACHIEVE A YEAH. AND D THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE OKAY. YEAH.
AND A FOCUSES ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT'S MORE ATTAINABLE RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF STRIKING B OKAY. I AGREE.
OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS? DO YOU WANT ME JUST I CAN MAKE NOTES HERE, AND I CAN SAVE THIS SECTION AND SEND IT TO THE CITY STAFF, AND THEN Y'ALL CAN SHARE IT WITH JESSICA. DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET IT TO HER FOR EDITS? I'M SORRY. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. IS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS IS.
JESSICA, DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE? OKAY.
AND THEN. OKAY. AND SHE SAID KEEP A SHE'S JESSICA SAYS TO TAKE OUT SEE YOU HAVE TAKE OUT SEE.
IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT. YES YES YES. STRIKE SEE.
AND THEN JESSICA SAYS KEEP D SUSAN YOU HAVE X OUT D.
LET'S SEE. SO YOU HAVE X OUT C D E SHE HAS. SO SEE WE STRUCK SO SHE HAS D AND E TO KEEP AND THEN SHE HAS NOTES COMMENT. THIS COULD TECHNICALLY BE MOVED TO GOAL TWO.
SO E WE COULD MOVE DOWN TO TWO IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
GOAL TWO. SO THAT WOULD BE INVEST IN CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY.
SO THAT PROBABLY COULD BE MOVED TO TWO. I WOULD I WOULD EDIT D I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL THEM HOW TO IDENTIFY THE BUILDINGS IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? I WOULD STRIKE OUT THROUGH BENCHMARKING JUST TO SAY SO KEEP REQUIRE QUARTERLY ANNUAL REPORTS TO OPTIMIZE INVESTMENTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO REQUIRE ANNUAL REPORTS.
YEAH. JUST I WOULD STRIKE EVERYTHING AFTER CONSUMPTION.
I KNOW NOW YOU THROUGH? OKAY, SO DO YOU SEE THIS REALISTICALLY BEING SOMETHING THAT THIS IS AN ACTION PLAN? I GUESS I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING I MEAN, I KIND OF SEE IT AS LIKE TAKING A LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS AND THEN SEEING WE KNOW BETTER.
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FOR INSTANCE, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING NEW FIRE STATIONS, AND WHEN THEY HAVE NEW FIRE STATIONS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COMPARE THE USE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY BUILD BETTER.HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WELL, COMPARED THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING FIRE STATIONS.
IS IT WORTH UPGRADING THE OLD FIRE STATIONS IF THERE'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT IN COST? I DON'T SEE THIS AS AN ACTION PLAN ANYMORE. I SEE IT AS AN IDEALIST.
UNTIL WE GET THE MS4 AND THE CITY OBJECTIVES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST AN IDEALIST. YEAH, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING EASILY ATTAINABLE.
I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT OUR BOARD WOULD DO BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO TO CITY BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT. YEAH, BUT DON'T WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY? I THINK THIS IS ALSO TO WORK WITH THE CITY, LIKE SOME OF THE DIVISIONS HAVE SAID, THAT THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED SOME OF THESE PRACTICES INTO THEIR DAILY OR THEIR PRACTICES. RIGHT. BUT SO TO FEEL PEOPLE, PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT D DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT OR GET RID OF IT.
I'M FINE WITH KEEPING THAT BECAUSE IT OLD BUILDINGS WE CAN SEE HOW CAN IT BECOME A CLEANER SO TO SPEAK, BUILDING ENERGY WISE OR IT'S JUST AN IDEA. WELL, IF WE VOTE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TWO TO SPLIT.
WATER CONSUMPTION. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD AGREE ON.
PERIOD. PERIOD. IS THAT OKAY WITH Y'ALL? MEET IN THE MIDDLE.
I'M GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. OH, WE DID DELETE C, RIGHT? YES. B AND C ARE GONE. D IS AMENDED. E JESSICA HAS.
AND SHE SAID TO MOVE IT TO GOAL TWO IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
YEAH I THINK IT DOES FIT INTO. YEAH. SO E.
LET'S VOTE ON IT WHEN WE GET TO TWO, BECAUSE I WANT TO VOTE ON THE THINK OF IT OR NOT.
YEAH. OKAY. DOWN THERE. OKAY. NEXT IS F. YEP.
KEEP IT GREEN. SO SHE'S SAYING STRIKE C. COMMENT.
NET ZERO CARBON IS NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS TIME.
SO STRIKING OUT SET A NET ZERO CARBON STANDARD.
I AGREE WITH HER. SO YOU WILL STRIKE THAT AND THEN KEEP THE REST OF THE WORDING.
KEEP IT EXACTLY AS SHE HAS IT. YEAH. YEP. OKAY.
SO THAT'S F. SO STRIKE SET NET ZERO CARBON STANDARD.
ALL RIGHT. SO NOW, G SHE STRUCK OUT. NET ZERO CARBON STANDARD AGAIN.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOOD. SHE HER OPINION. ADOPT A ADOPT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YEAH. THIS IS AWKWARD. ADOPT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ENSURE THAT SUSTAINABLE HOMES ARE DURABLE. HAVE LOW.
I THINK THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THE COMMUNITY ASPECT.
AGAIN LIKE EVERYBODY, I. I JUST DON'T SEE OUR BOARD DOING THIS.
I WANT TO STRIKE THE WHOLE THING. THAT'S I WOULD I WOULD SAY STRIKE.
SHE I DO TOO. OKAY. OKAY. MY CONCERN IS I WANT US TO INCORPORATE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IN HERE. AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT READILY WHEN I WENT THROUGH.
THAT'S WHY I VOTED. I RECOMMENDED TO STRIKE THIS SECTION.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, MY URGENCY IS TO GET THROUGH THIS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO F ABOUT LOW ABOUT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT? THE GREEN BUILDING ZONING REQUIREMENTS SAY INCORPORATE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES INSTEAD OF GREEN BUILDING ZONING, WHICH IS KIND OF VAGUE. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK WE DID THAT BACK IN THE WATER SECTION, THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT.
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WELL, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE WATER SECTION, BUT WHAT WERE YOU SAYING TO HOW TO REWARD IT? INSTEAD OF HAVING CREATIVE GREEN BUILDING ZONING REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS KIND OF VAGUE TO SAY I KNOW THEY ALREADY HAVE A MATRIX. THEY HAVE INCENTIVES FOR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE COULD HAVE A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT MANDATORY IN CERTAIN ZONES IN THE CITY. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY AREAS. I DON'T THINK WELL RECOMMEND ADJUSTING LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT ZONES TO ALIGN WITH FLOOD RISK. HOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN? AS FLOOD RISK GO UP. LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IS, YOU KNOW.
SO. OKAY. SO WHAT WHAT EXACTLY ON THAT ONE. SO CREATE A.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY CREATE I WOULD SAY ZONING.
HOW ABOUT DO YOU USE THE WORD ALIGN ORIGINALLY? ALIGN LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES WITH FLOOD.
WITH FLOOD RISK ARE WE CHANGING THE WHOLE F LIKE STRIKING F AND PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN? SOUNDS LIKE IT. SOUNDS LIKE IT. BECAUSE WE'VE LEFT OUT CREATE ZONING WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER.
REQUIREMENTS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER.
LET'S WRITE IT DOWN AND COME BACK TO IT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET THE WORDING.
ARE WE STRIKING OUT THE WHOLE F. AND THEN WHAT SENTENCE DO WE WANT THERE? WHAT OBJECTIVE? OKAY. ALIGN BUILDING CODES SO THAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES ARE IMPLEMENTED IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS.
OKAY. ALIGN BUILDING CODES ARE IMPLEMENTED ESPECIALLY.
HOW ABOUT THAT? ESPECIALLY IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS.
MANDATORY SOMETHING. ANYWAY, ALIGN THE TWO. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I SAID.
ALIGN BUILDING CODES. NO, I'M NOT GETTING THAT WRITTEN DOWN.
RIGHT. NO. REVIEW BUILDING CODES SO THAT. FLOOD PRONE AREAS ARE IN LINE, ARE ALIGNED WITH LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT ZONES. CAN YOU ERASE THAT? PENLOGAN. OKAY. SO FLOOD REVIEW BUILDING CODES.
SO FLOOD ZONES ARE IN LINE WITH LOW IMPACT? YES.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY REVIEW AND AND RECOMMEND AND REVISE.
REVIEW AND REVISE BUILDING CODE SO THAT REVIEW AND MAKE PRONE AREAS.
MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REVISION. FLOOD ZONES ARE ALIGNED WITH LIDS.
I LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO LEAVE THAT THERE FOR NOW.
OKAY. ALSO, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT MOST RECENT VERSION OF THE WATER GOALS IN NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT LID.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT BELONGS. NO NOW THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS.
WELL, MORE SO, NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T BELONG WHERE YOU PUT IT, BUT IT SHOULD BE PRIMARILY KIND OF THINK IN BOTH, BECAUSE IN UNDEVELOPED AREAS YOU DON'T USUALLY HAVE DEVELOPMENT FOR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT. AM I WRONG IN THAT. I WAS LISTENING WITH ONE EAR TO JANE AND MY OTHER EAR.
I'M ASKING JANE ABOUT THIS. SORRY. LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IMPLIES A BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
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DEVELOPMENT IMPLIES A BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO ME.SO YEAH, IT COULD BE IN BOTH SECTIONS. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE.
YEAH. SO JANE WAS MAKING A POINT. WELL, YOU WERE MAKING A POINT TOO.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE FOR OUR PERSON HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WATER SECTION WHERE REALLY A HEAVY LID NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO AND REVIEW THAT AND KEEP IN MIND LID.
YES. ONCE WE'RE THROUGH WITH GOING THROUGH THE PLAN, ONCE WE CAN GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.
I KNOW. DON'T YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THAT? OH, YES.
I DON'T LIKE H. G C G. WE STRUCK RIGHT. YES, YES.
AND THEN H DEVELOP A CARBON EMISSIONS PERFORMANCE STANDARD TO DECARBONIZE EXISTING LARGE BUILDINGS.
I SAY TAKE IT OUT. SO REMOVE THAT.
YOU BOTH HAD I AND J TO KEEP. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THOSE? YEAH. I OH, WAIT A MINUTE. I THINK THE SCHOOL ISSUE, MOST OF THEM ARE COUNTY OR PRIVATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS MUCH TO SAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN SCHOOLS.
ANYBODY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT? IT'S A COUNTY PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COUNTY.
YEP. SO SO TAKE OUT I MEAN IT'S A NICE IDEA BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS DOABLE FOR THE CITY.
THE GOAL FOR THE CITY. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS YOUR CODE FOR NEW SUSTAINABLE AND RENOVATED BUILDINGS REFLECT THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES ON THE MARKET. OKAY. AND THEN K AND L WERE BOTH RECOMMENDED TO BE REMOVED BY SUSAN AND JESSICA.
OH, GOOD. DID WE LEAVE J IN THERE, THOUGH? YES.
SO WHERE WOULD JESSICA'S NEW OBJECTIVE GO? THAT'S IN RED ON THE FRONT.
YEAH. SO I THINK THAT. ARE YOU ALL OKAY WITH THAT ONE? ADDING THAT EVALUATE REPORTING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO REDUCE AND IMPLEMENT ENERGY EFFICIENCY PRACTICES SUCH AS BUILDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY, ENERGY EFFICIENCY PRACTICES SUCH AS BUILDING EFFICIENCY AND BUILDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS AND RETROFITS OF EXISTING BUILDINGS.
YEAH, THAT'S REDUNDANT WITH D, REALLY. AND E SO.
WE COULD REPLACE D OR NO. YEAH. WE COULD REPLACE D WITH THE NEW ONE THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
WEREN'T YOU ON HERE. OH WE STILL ARE. YEAH. THIS GOES UP HERE.
NO THIS WOULD BE A NEW OBJECTIVE. SO WE WOULD HAVE FOUR OBJECTIVES.
NO, THOSE ARE GOALS. SO IT'D BE DOWN HERE. IT WOULD BE ONE OF THESE.
OH OKAY. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO DO IT ON THE FLY HERE.
SO DO WE WANT TO STRIKE D AND IMPLEMENT THE NEW ONES YOU TYPED UP HERE IN THE RED? I LIKE D THE WAY IT IS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY HAVE.
SHOULD BE EVALUATING REPORTING. I DON'T SEE US DOING THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
SO IT'S BASICALLY OLD BUILDINGS. HOW CAN WE COULD JUST SAY, EVALUATE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS FOR D INSTEAD OF IDENTIFY? AND THAT WOULD GET THE WORD EVALUATE IN THERE.
I THINK THAT NOT US. THE WHOLE POINT IS TO FIND OUT WHICH BUILDINGS COULD BENEFIT FROM IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT.
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AND WHAT TO DO. AND I'M GUESSING THE CITY HAS SUCH A PROGRAM ALREADY.THAT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO LEARN ABOUT.
LOGAN. LET'S JUST CHANGE THAT DEED TO IDENTIFY, WAIT, EVALUATE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS FOR ENERGY. FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ENERGY AND WATER CONSUMPTION IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SAY IN NEED OF.
NO, I DON'T. IDENTIFY. IDENTIFY. I WANT IT TO BE ALL BUILDINGS THAT WE EVALUATE. ALL BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE THE BUILDINGS IN NEED.
BECAUSE BUILDING E ISN'T GOING TO NEED EVALUATION.
THE THE NEW ONE IN RED IS CONFUSING TO ME, THE WAY IT'S WORDED, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO REDUCE ENERGY EFFICIENT PRACTICES. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. REDUCE AND IMPLEMENT WHICH ARE CONTRADICTORY TERMS. HOMES ENERGY EFFICIENT. SO IT'S BADLY PHRASED.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO EVEN IF WE KEEP THAT ONE WE NEED TO REWORD IT.
AND DON'T TAKE UP THE THE NEW ONE SHE PUT. HOW ABOUT EVALUATE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS.
TO IDENTIFY ENERGY AND WATER CONSUMPTION IMPROVEMENTS? YOU HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN. IS IT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT MORE IN A POSITIVE OR A SOMETHING FOR ALL BUILDINGS, EVEN THOUGH BUILDING IS GOING TO BE OLD ONE DAY.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE IT COMES INTO THE CITY OWNED MEETINGS IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENT.
IT WILL THEN BE IN NEED OF. BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY WHAT'S IN NEED OF.
I'M JUST TRYING TO TO ME. TO ME IT'S A TOMATO.
EVALUATE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS FOR FOR ENERGY AND COST EFFICIENCIES.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? SAY IT AGAIN. EVALUATE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS FOR FOR COST.
IF ENERGY AND WATER EFFICIENCIES. FOR COST SAVINGS.
ENERGY AND WATER EFFICIENCIES. THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.
AND THEN GET RID OF THE RED. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF IMPLIED BY THE TIME YOU'VE EVALUATED.
THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD, REBECCA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
REBECCA. DID YOU GET IT? LOGAN. YEAH. PLUS CITY.
BUILDING COST SAVINGS IN ENERGY. AND WATER. WHAT EFFICIENCIES DID YOU SAY? COST. DOES HE HAVE COST IN THERE? YES, HE DID FOR COST SAVINGS. SO I THINK THAT EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS IS.
YEAH. I'LL HAVE TO DECIPHER THE SPELLING. I'LL BLAME IT ON THE THE AUTOCORRECT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO STRIKE OUT D AND ADD THAT ONE.
OKAY. SO WE GO TO NOW? YES. GO TO. INVEST IN. CLEAN, RENEWABLE ENERGY IS AT THE BOTTOM OF RIGHT THERE.
DON'T GO ANYWHERE. SO WE'RE MOVING E TO TWO. RIGHT.
AND THEN OKAY SO I'M GOING TO.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER CHANGES TO ANY OF THE GOALS IN THIS SECTION.
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HAVE NET ZERO GOALS BY 2035-45, SO WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THE CITY CONTINUE INVESTING IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY OR NEW BUILDING, INCLUDING RENEWABLE ENERGY, AND SEEK OPPORTUNITIES TO INCLUDE RENEWABLE ENERGY SYSTEMS AND TECHNOLOGIES IN EXISTING AND NEW BUILDINGS.THIS WOULD SERVE AS A PART OF A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WOULD SHOWCASE TECHNOLOGIES TO ADVOCATE WHILE PROMOTING, PROVIDING DATA THAT COULD ASSIST IN EVALUATING EXPANSION OF RENEWABLE TECHNOLOGIES. SHE LEFT EVERYTHING AS IS.
SUSAN EXED EVERYTHING OUT. I'M JUST KIDDING. SO YOU WANTED TO.
YOU UNDERLINED SOLSMART. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS.
YEAH. I LIKE HER COMMENTS AS YOU WERE READING THEM, THOUGH.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU MEANT BY THE SOUL? SMART. UNDERLINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOUL SMART IS. I THINK LIKE SOLAR SYSTEM.
SMART SOLAR SYSTEMS. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? I DON'T I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CAPITALIZED SOUL SMART.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A COMPANY OR. I DON'T EITHER DESIGNATION.
YEAH, IT'S A DESIGNATION. LET'S GOOGLE IT. SO WE CAN SOLAR MADE EASY A HASSLE FREE.
OH, WAIT. SOUL SMART HOME. IT'S A COMPANY. LOOKS LIKE SOUL SMART ORG.
LIKE BUILD SMART OR JOIN SOUL SMART. GET STARTED WITH SOUL SMART.
YOUR COMMUNITY CAN BECOME A SOUL SMART DESIGNEE.
VIRGIN ISLANDS, PUERTO RICO EMPOWERING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NATIONWIDE.
OKAY. WELL, NOW THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT THAT DEFINITION IN THERE.
SO SMART IS FUNDED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SOLAR ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES OFFICE.
OKAY. PUT THAT IN THERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? DOES ANYBODY. SORRY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT SOLSMART IS? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? IT'S A IT'S JUST A PROGRAM WHERE THE CITY GOVERNMENTS, LIKE MR. LIU SAID, THEY'RE. THEY ENROLL IN THIS PROGRAM.
THAT KIND OF HELPS THE JURISDICTIONS GET MORE SOLAR EFFICIENT ENERGY IN THE DISTRICTS.
OKAY. SO THIS MAKES SENSE THEN. IS THAT PROGRAM STILL IN EXISTENCE? FIRST OFF, REMEMBER THIS IS FROM 2010. THEIR WEBSITE SAYS.
COPYRIGHT 2025 BY SOLSMART. PERFECT. SO. YEAH.
OKAY. IF WE DEFINE WHAT SOLSMART IS, COMMIT TO BECOMING A SOUL SMART DESIGNEE COMMUNITY BY DEDICATING STAFF MEMBERS TO IMPROVE SOLAR MARKET CONDITIONS, MAKING IT FASTER, EASIER, AND MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY RESIDENTS. BUSINESSES TO INSTALL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS. SOUNDS GOOD.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE PHRASE LIKE TREE CITY TYPE THING, LIKE SMART.
SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE NEED SEE IN THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY PROHIBIT SOLAR DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, THERE'S A PERMITTING PROCESS AND THERE'S SAFETY AND POWER COMPANY REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S NO CITY THERE. I'M LOOKING AT C REVIEW LOCAL ZONING CODES.
OKAY. SO A WERE GOOD, B WERE GOOD AND C A WERE GOOD.
IF YOU PUT IN THE DEFINITION OF SO SMART. WELL I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A DEFINITION NECESSARILY.
WELL WHAT YOU READ SOMETHING THAT THE INTENTION OF IT.
JUST LIKE IN PARENS OR SOMETHING. YEAH. MISTER CHAIR.
SO SOLSMART IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS PROMOTE SOLAR ENERGY.
THROUGH DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE UNITED STATES. SO TO PARTNER WITH THEM, YOU'D BE PARTNERING WITH A NONPROFIT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WOULD NEED IN RELATIONSHIP TO SOLAR ENERGY. THEY ALSO PARTNER WITH THIS OTHER GROUP CALLED SELF, WHICH IS A SOLAR ENERGY LOAN PROGRAM. OH, NICE.
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STUFF LIKE THAT. SO YOUR DEFINITION OF SOLAR SMART IS BASICALLY THAT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT PROMOTES SOLAR ENERGY EFFICIENCY.CORRECT. AND THEY WOULD WORK LIKE A ALMOST LIKE A VENDOR.
THEY'RE A NONPROFIT. WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM.
AND DO YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD GUIDE US AND GIVE US INFORMATION AND AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO THAT'S WHAT SOLAR SMART IS. IS THERE ANY IMPLICATIONS OF THE CITY WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT TO BECOME A DESIGNEE LIKE THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE ATTAINABLE? NO. FIRST, IF THEY'RE HELPING THE CITY, THEN THEY'RE MORE LIKE A VENDOR FOR US.
IF WE PARTNER WITH THEM FOR EVENTS OR WHATEVER, THEY WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER.
EVENT THAT WE WOULD GO TO, THAT WE WOULD PARTNER WITH LIKE A NONPROFIT FOR MOST OF THE TIME, THOUGH, THEY WANT TO GIVE ADVICE, THEY WANT TO DIRECT CITIES AND REGULAR PEOPLE AS WELL TO USE SOLAR ENERGY.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH THEM AT ALL IN THE PAST? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYBODY WORKING WITH THEM.
JUST CURIOUS. I'VE HEARD OF THEM. I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD OF MANY CITIES.
BUT THEY'RE A GOOD NONPROFIT GROUP AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOLAR, THEY'RE A GOOD RESOURCE TO HAVE ON HAND TO BE ABLE TO BOUNCE IDEAS OFF OF AND GET NEW TECHNOLOGIES. AND THEY ALSO HAVE INFORMATION WITH FPL ON HOW THIS ALL WORKS.
I DO KNOW IN LAKE COUNTY THERE'S AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT IS SOLAR.
SO IT'S AN ENTIRE LIKE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, LIKE GATED AREA WITH HOUSES, BUT ALL THE HOUSES IN IT ARE ALL SOLAR ENERGY EFFICIENT, UP TO DATE. SO MAYBE WE COULD. SO THERE WOULD BE A GOOD RESOURCE.
DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE TRY TO HAVE THEM DO A PRESENTATION TO US SO WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM? YEAH, WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T ARRANGE SOMETHING FOR THEM TO COME IN.
YEAH I MEAN IF THIS CITY COULD BENEFIT FROM THAT TOO.
POSSIBLY. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.
AND IF IT'S IN YOUR ACTION PLAN AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND MAYBE DO A PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE THEM TO GO ON THE LIST. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FAIR THEN SO SMART TREE CITY, AUDUBON SOCIETY, SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT WERE MENTIONING THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH. AUDUBON'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THERE. YES. YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ON A PIECE OF PAPER.
JUST HAD IT BEFORE. YEAH. DID SHE? OKAY. FOR.
SEE, YOU WERE SAYING TO MARK OUT. WHAT? REBECCA.
I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY ZONING CODES THAT AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE HAVE SOLAR.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE WERE ANY.
ARE THERE ANY ZONING LAWS THAT ACCELERATED OR INCENTIVIZE IT? I THINK THAT EVERYBODY THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS THAT WHEN THE HOMES ARE BUILT, IT'S DEFAULT THAT THEY GET PUT ON A POWER GRID.
THAT'S THE LAW. THEY HAVE TO HAVE POWER. AND IF THE HOMEOWNER OR DESIGNS HAS A SAY IN WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS SOLAR OR IF IT'S JUST BUYING SOMETHING PRE-BUILT THAT EVEN IF IT'S NEW DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT.
BUT THE LAW IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ON THE GRID.
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE BUILT TO BE ON. THAT'S WHERE THE NET METERING COMES IN, RIGHT? THERE'S NO THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING SOLAR PER SE.
IT'S JUST IS THERE ANYTHING ENCOURAGING? SOLAR? MAYBE. MAYBE WE NEED THE WORD ENCOURAGE IN THERE VERSUS PROHIBIT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT YOU COULD CHANGE THE CODE SAYING HOMES SHOULD HAVE SOLAR ENOUGH TO POWER THEIR HOUSE FOR ONE DAY ON A SUNNY DAY IN SUMMER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME SOLAR DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUGE AMOUNT.
BUT THE IT'S IT'S PARTLY WHAT IS FEASIBLE BECAUSE REMEMBER SOME PEOPLE COULD HAVE SOLAR BUT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO CUT DOWN TREES AND SOME PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T TRUST SOLAR. IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN REALLY MANDATE AT THIS TIME.
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WANT. I MEAN, I PUT WE HAVE I'VE, WE PUT SOLAR ON IN OUR HOUSE IN 2020.YOU HAVE TO DO THAT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, CHANGE YOUR FRONT DOOR.
THE ONLY THE ONLY THING SOME PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OUT IS THAT EVEN IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO GO GENERATE ENOUGH POWER TO GO OFF GRID, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. BUT THAT'S. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THAT.
I MEAN, AT THAT POINT YOU'RE NOT BUYING ENERGY, SO YOU JUST.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO BE POWERED OR CONNECTED, I THINK.
I SAY REVIEW LOCAL ZONING CODES WITH THE GOAL OF POTENTIALLY IMPROVING SOLAR ACCESS IN THE COMMUNITY. SOLAR PANELS. I DON'T I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE.
YOU GOT TO ADD MORE INSURANCE ON YOUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE LIABILITY, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT'S NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD LIKE, PROMOTE, MANDATE.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS PEOPLE IN HOAS HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN THEIR OWN ROOF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE BUT THAT'S A LAW THAT THEY YEAH, YOU CAN'T PROHIBIT ANYONE.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT, WE COULD SAY REVIEW ZONING CODES WITH THE GOAL OF PROMOTING SOLAR.
YOU SAID THE GOAL OF SOLAR ACCESS OR GOAL OF PROMOTING SOLAR ACCESS.
WE'VE GENERALLY BEEN STRIKING THE ADVOCATES AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE STRUCK THAT IN THE GOAL ONE. THIS ONE I'M OKAY WITH STRIKING THAT.
WHICH ONE WAS THAT? OKAY. OKAY. SUSAN, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YES. WE ALSO HAVE AN L. SO. OH, YEAH. SUSAN'S OKAY WITH THAT.
I DON'T HAVE AN L, SO D E F AND G. SUSAN SAYS REMOVE THOUGHTS ON THOSE D THROUGH G D FREQUENTLY HOSTS COMMUNITY SOLARIZE CAMPAIGNS, ALLOWING RESIDENTS TO BENEFIT FROM GROUP DISCOUNTS AND AFFORDABLE SOLAR FINANCING.
SO I THINK STRIKE. WELL. IT'S FOCUSING ON RESIDENTS RATHER THAN CITY.
YEAH. OKAY. SO STRIKE D E ENCOURAGE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PARTICIPATION IN COMMUNITY SOLAR.
SO IT'S A COMMUNITY THING. THERE'S THAT ENERGY LOAN FUND.
YES. ALL THOSE ARE COMMUNITY G EDUCATE COMMUNITY.
SO TAKE OUT E THROUGH G OR D THROUGH G. WELL, YEAH.
JANE. WHAT'S YOUR THINKING ON YOUR TAKING ON ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO INDIVIDUALS COMMUNITY WISE? YEAH. BECAUSE WE ALREADY STRUCK LOCAL BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY OBJECTIVES AND THESE ARE ALL COMMUNITY.
OH OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST LEAVING IN CITY OBJECTIVES.
YEAH. OKAY. SO STRIKE D THROUGH G.
I SEE THESE AS EDUCATIONAL THINGS THAT COULD GO THINKING THAT TOO IF WE DO AN EDUCATIONAL AREA.
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H CREATE A COMBINED PV AND EV INFORMATION CLEARINGHOUSE.ENCOURAGE I THINK THIS IS A THIS IS EDUCATION ALSO.
YEAH. I'M JUST KEEPING I THINK BOTH OF Y'ALL HAD KEEPING THESE THE REST OF THEM.
SO WHAT WAS THE DECIDER ON? YOU SAID STRIKE K, YOU WERE SAYING, WHAT ABOUT I.
DID WE STRIKE I BOTH SUSAN AND JESSICA. YEAH.
KEPT THEM KEPT I. YOU KEPT I. YEAH. ENCOURAGE ELECTRIC UTILITIES TO PARTNER WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
THEY HAVE THE SOLAR FLOWERS OR TREES OR WHATNOT OUT THERE FOR BUILDING WAS OR IS.
SO THEY COULD TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. WELL, WE HAVE SOLAR FARMS TOO.
BUT YEAH, I BELIEVE IN DOING EVERYTHING SOLAR THAT WE CAN.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE JAY. I MEAN, I'M A BIG NUCLEAR GUY.
SO A LOT OF I THINK WE SHOULD BUILD A NUCLEAR PLANT HERE RIGHT IN THE CENTER IN DOWNTOWN.
MAKE THAT THE DOWNTOWN. I LIKE JAY. A LOT OF ENERGY IS LOST IN TRANSMISSION THROUGH THE LINE.
SO ON SITE ENERGY GENERATION IS THE MOST EFFICIENT ON SITE ENERGY ENTERGY NUCLEAR RIGHT THERE BOOM HAVE LITTLE THEY HAVE LITTLE EGG REACTORS NOW. FRANCE. FRANCE IS BIG INTO NUCLEAR.
WELL, OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL JUST SAID THAT ONE IN ORLANDO.
YEAH. OH, YEAH. THERE'S MIAMI I THINK IS PRETTY MUCH RUN OFF NUCLEAR ENERGY.
SAINT LUCIE HAS ONE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. OH, WELL, SAINT LUCY'S RIGHT BY THE NUCLEAR MIAMI.
BUT IT NEVER EVER THERE'S ALWAYS BLOCKADES ON IT.
IT IS A RIDICULOUS WAY TO BOIL WATER. NUCLEAR ENERGY.
IT'S A SILLY WAY TO BOIL WATER TO GENERATE STEAM.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON.
YES, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO NUCLEAR BEING DEVELOPED NOW.
WELL, SHE SAID SHE LOVES SOLAR. I WAS LIKE, WE CAN PUT NUCLEAR IN HERE.
BUT SO ARE WE STRIKING? I SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE PARTNERSHIPS GOING.
YEAH. I DON'T, I THINK YES. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SEE OUR BOARD STRIKING A PARTNERSHIP, I THINK THAT IS REALLY BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THEN JAY. YOU WERE SAYING JAY KEEP JAY.
WELL I LIKE JAY BECAUSE ON SITE PRODUCTION IS THE MOST EFFICIENT.
A LOT OF ELECTRICITY IS LOST IN TRANSMISSION THROUGH THE LINES.
OKAY. AND I'LL ADVOCATE FOR STRONGER STATE AND FEDERAL FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR SOLAR ENERGY.
I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT'S A THERE'D BE A STATE FEDERAL.
I MEAN, THE CITY COULD ADVOCATE FOR IT, BUT IT'S MORE OF A STATE DECISION ON ALL THOSE.
THE NET METERING THAT'S IN THERE IS ALREADY A LAW.
HOW ABOUT CHANGING JUST ADVOCATE FOR ALL FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR SOLAR EDGE.
OH, HOW'D THAT HAPPEN? OKAY. ADVOCATE. OH, THEY SOUND A LITTLE ALIKE.
WELL, I'M SAYING LEAVE OUT STATE AND FEDERAL ADVOCATE FOR INCENTIVES.
HOW ABOUT THIS? INCENTIVES FOR SOLAR ENERGY. BUT ALL THOSE ARE STATE LEVEL.
STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL DEALINGS? OH, THEY HAVE THEY CAN'T BE LOCAL.
OKAY, LET'S DRINK IT STRAIGHT. OH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE.
AND THEN THREE. THREE IS LOW IMPACT, SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT CITY PLANNING. WELL, THERE'S THE WORD.
YOU'RE GONE. ALL RIGHT. IS THIS JESSICA'S HERE? YES. SO, SHE SAID, ADDING, SO SHE'S GOOD WITH.
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WHERE ARE THE BROWNFIELD LOCATIONS? BROWNFIELD AND GREENFIELD LOCATIONS.SO SHE SAID SO LET'S JUST TO GET Y'ALL'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
SHE SAID TO STRIKE IN. WHERE ARE YOU? ARE YOU NOT HERE? I'M LOOKING AT BOTH OF Y'ALL'S. SO GOAL THREE.
SO THIS IS Y'ALL'S OR ARE YOURS. SO. OKAY. THIS MATCHES.
SO YOU HAVE KEEPING IN JESSICA HAS TAKEN OUT IN.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? JUST TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE BOTH THE GOALS AND THEN ANYTHING COMES TO YOU.
SAID TO KEEP IT. I DID, DIDN'T I? AND THEN SHE SAID TO TAKE IT OUT.
THIS WILL GIVE THE CITY. OH, I THINK BECAUSE, LIKE INVASIVE.
LIKE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE FOR WATER FAUCETS AND THINGS.
I'M FINE WITH TAKING IT OUT. YEAH, I THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY DECIDED TO STRIKE THAT.
YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SUSAN I'LL SAY YES. I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR IN ANOTHER PART OF THE PLAN.
I DON'T BUT GOING BACK UP TO THE TOP WHERE SHE HAS NEW AND READ.
I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT STATEMENT. YEAH.
WELL, LET'S RUN THROUGH BEFORE WE ADD THAT ONE.
IF YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO STRIKE, I GUESS, KIND OF SAY IT.
SPEAK UP. SUSAN HAD D AS STRIKING. REMOVING D GENERATE A SCHEDULE FOR UPGRADING, REPURPOSING, OR RETIRING OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, PRIORITIZING BY OPERATIONAL NEEDS, AND RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING TAKE OUT THAT ONE. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT FITS INTO THIS GOAL.
FOR EXAMPLE RESILIENT CITY PLANNING. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH TAKING IT OUT? YEAH. YEAH. SO ARE YOU SAYING LEAVE THE OTHERS IN A, B, C SEE IF I MEAN YOU HAVE ON YOURS LEAVING THEM. WELL, H SO KIND OF GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE NOW SAYING THE TAKEOUT AND THEN SO KIND OF GETTING DONE WITH Y'ALL'S REMOVALS, AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE OTHERS AND SEE IF WE NEED TO TAKE OUT OR CHANGE.
YOU SAID H THIS IS SIMILAR TO ONE ON SUSAN'S LIST.
WERE YOU SPEAKING IN THIRD PERSON? YOU MADE THE SAME.
CREATE MORE PUBLIC SPACE THROUGH REHAB, REHABILITATION OR REPURPOSING OF PUBLIC LAND.
ENCOURAGE IRRIGATION OF RECREATIONAL AREAS IN THE DESIGN OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
AND YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT OUT. I THINK SHE WAS SAYING IT WAS SIMILAR ON YEAH, I, I AGREE, I WANT IT IN MAYBE JUST STATE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT POCKET PARKS BECAUSE REBECCA ZIEGLER HAD GIVEN US AN ARTICLE ON POCKET FOREST, I THINK IS. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO LEAVE IN.
SO MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS WHAT YOU WERE. MAYBE WE COULD SAY ENCOURAGE TO CREATE POCKET PARKS OR POCKET FOREST. FOREST THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT DENSELY VEGETATED MULTI-TIERED.
SO YEAH. MIMICS. ARE THEY DIFFERENT? NOT REALLY.
IT JUST IS. IT'S JUST CREATING LITTLE ZONES OF SAFETY FOR WILDLIFE THAT IT HAS KIND OF LIKE A MANY LAYERS IN A RANCH OR PASTURE.
THERE'S A HAMMOCK, A BUNCH OF TREES AND VEGETATION, JUST LIKE A LITTLE POCKET OF.
YEAH. AND ALL THE THERE'S THAT. AND THEN THERE, THERE'S THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO LITTLE ODD STRIPS ON, SAY, A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT HAS TO BE A MULTI LAYERED AFFAIR WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH GROUND COVERS, SHRUBS GROWING TREES, TALL TREES, UNDERSTORY. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO RECREATE WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT BEFORE.
SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH H. I WOULD SAY CHANGE, CREATE TO ENCOURAGE.
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WHAT DID I SAY ON MY THING. THAT I REPEATED SUSAN.YEAH. ENCOURAGE IS FINE. YOU CAN'T REALLY CREATE ANYTHING ANYWAY.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT, ESPECIALLY IN THE BUILD SECTION.
SO WATCH OUT. ENCOURAGE MORE PUBLIC SPACE. SO JUST CHANGE CREATE TO ENCOURAGE.
REBECCA LOOK AT WHAT I WROTE. DEVELOP A PLAN FOR PROMOTING POCKET FORESTS.
THESE ARE DENSELY PLANTED MINI FORESTS THAT ARE INSTALLED IN AS LITTLE AS 200FT² NEXT TO HOUSES, OFFICES AND OTHER BUILDINGS. DOES THAT CAPTURE? YES. BETTER? YEAH. SO THE IDEAL, THE. WELL, THE MINIMUM TO MAINTAIN ECOSYSTEM SERVICES IS TO HAVE 30% UNDEVELOPED LAND IN ITS NATURAL STATE.
THAT'S THE MINIMUM. SCIENCE SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE YEARS OF STUDY HAVE SAID THAT IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN AND IT CAN'T BE IN TALLAHASSEE, IT CAN'T BE IN, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA, IT'S GOT TO BE LOCAL.
IT'S GOT TO BE IN BREVARD OR BREVARD TO MAINTAIN FREE ALL THESE FREE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES.
SO IDEALLY THAT WAS 30% OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS HERE.
AND SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN KEEP GREEN WOULD BE GOOD.
WE'RE NOT INCREASING OR MAKING THINGS WORSE. WELL, LET'S PUT AS MANY OF THE FEATURES IN I DON'T I THINK GOING BACK TO H IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, CAN WE BREAK IT APART AND MAKE THEM SEPARATE ONES? WELL, I'D LIKE THE IDEA OF REPURPOSING PUBLIC LAND.
I LIKE H. I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO JUST LEAVE IT, OKAY? I MEAN, I STILL ALSO THINK CREATE MORE PUBLIC.
I THINK THAT'S FINE. YEAH, I LIKE IT TO ACTUALLY CREATE AREAS THAT THEY CAN BECAUSE YOU CAN.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU CAN TEAR UP PART OF A PARKING LOT AND PUT IN A GARDEN.
YEAH, I HAVE SOMETHING ON A PARKING LOT IN MY NEW, NEW ONE, SO WE'LL GET TO THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE EACH AS IS EXCEPT FOR THE WORD CREATE.
I MEAN, I, I SAY WE JUST LEAVE IT. OKAY. OKAY.
ARE WE ON TO I THE OTHER. LET'S SEE. YEAH. WE KIND OF GO DOWN.
SO. OKAY. SO EVERYONE OKAY WITH A B C E F G H.
I DON'T KNOW IF I AM. OF WHICH ONE, BUT I THINK WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY NOTES ON IT.
NO BUT. WHICH ONE. DID YOU ALL READ THESE AND THEY'RE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? YEAH. F IS REALLY GOOD.
AS AN IDEALIST. YES. OH. NOT AS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO END UP WORKING ON.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT F, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO.
THE NOTE HERE ABOUT WHERE ARE THE BROWNFIELD LOCATIONS? I THINK WE CAN TAKE OUT BROWNFIELD AND GREENFIELD AND JUST SAY.
SO JUST INCENTIVIZE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT CREATES PRODUCTION FRIENDLY COMMUNITIES.
YEAH. STRIKE OUT AND PRIORITIZE. OKAY. G REUSE AND REDEVELOP OF BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LANDS AND BUILDINGS CREATE. WE JUST SAID.
H I DESIGN AND CREATE PEDESTRIAN SCALE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SAFE SPACE FOR WALKING AND BICYCLING, AND USE OF ALTERNATIVE VEHICLES AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
WORK TOWARDS HAVING A TAX BASE SUPPORTED BY EQUAL LAND USE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
CONSIDER WALKING DISTANCE TO LOCAL GOODS AND SERVICES.
WORKS TOWARDS HAVING A TAX BASE SUPPORTED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN BY EQUAL LAND USE.
I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT. I SAY WE STRIKE. J.
I THINK THE CITY KIND OF DOES THIS EVERYWHERE ANYWAY, ALREADY IN A WAY THAT MOST DEVELOPERS I MEAN, A PUBLIX IS LIKE THE FIRST THING YOU SEE GO IN.
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SO EVERY NEW DEVELOPMENT SEEMS TO HAVE ITS OWN GROCERY STORE AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER STUFF.TAKE THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST DON'T LIKE AN ADVISORY BOARD.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY DEALING. I DON'T LIKE TAX BASE.
YEAH, RIGHT. I DON'T LIKE TAXES EITHER. DEMONSTRATE SUSTAINABILITY ON ALL PUBLIC PROJECTS TO MOTIVATE THE COMMUNITY TO FOLLOW IN THE CITY'S FOOTSTEPS. OH, NO, I LIKE THAT. ALL OF A SUDDEN.
LOOKS GOOD. GREAT, BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF BUILDING E AS A SHOWCASE.
YOU KNOW, CREATE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAMS WITH CITY AGENCIES TO SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS TO WORK TOWARDS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY OUTCOMES. PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAMS SHOULD BE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN CITY REGULATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF NOT UP TO US. CAN WE SAY PROMOTE CITY AGENCIES TO SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS TO WORK TOWARDS ITS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY OUTCOME.
I THINK WE COULD JUST SAY INCENTIVIZE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT, CAN WE CAN STRIKE IT, SO WE JUST STRIKE.
OH. YOU DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS. WELL, I THINK THAT'S ALL THROUGHOUT IN THAT LID PLAN.
YOU MEAN THE ONE WE HAVE? I THINK THE CITY HAS ALREADY BEEN DOING THIS BY REVIEWING ITS CODES AND TRYING TO PRESERVE TREES AND TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO PRESERVE TREES. SO THEY THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC NEW REGULATIONS ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT.
TAKING IT OUT SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHTY. WE ALSO NEED TO KIND OF SLIM DOWN THIS GOAL.
YES I AGREE. M REDUCE LIGHT POLLUTION IN MUNICIPAL.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG PUSH OF LIKE EVERYTHING GOING TO LED BECAUSE IT'S COST SAVING.
YEAH I KNOW. I'M OKAY WITH STRIKING IT. IS THAT FINE? FINE WITH ME. OH. IMPROVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES THROUGH SIDEWALKS.
WE DID N. OH, SORRY. OKAY. OH. IMPROVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES THROUGH SIDEWALK SIGNAGE, SAFE ROUTES, LIGHTING AND BIKE PATHS. IS THAT IN THE BUILD SECTION? HOW ABOUT WE JUST SAY THIS IS IN THE LOW IMPACT SUSTAINABLE PLANNING.
CITY PLANNING. WELL. THAT SOUNDS OKAY TO ME. THAT ONE. YOU'RE FINE WITH IT. OKAY. P PROVIDING INCENTIVES FOR BETTER NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND REDEVELOPMENT THERE, THEREBY REDUCING WASTED SPACE VACANCIES AND DERELICT BUILDING OR SPACES.
SO WHAT'S THAT SAYING. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT TO MEAN THAT INSTEAD OF BREAKING NEW GROUND SOMEWHERE, THEY WOULD REPURPOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS OR REHABILITATE THEM, OR TAKE THEM DOWN AND USE PLACES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
RIGHT. I LIKE THAT. SO I LIKE THIS GOAL.
SO KEEP IT. YEAH, I KNOW. WHICH NUMBER ARE YOU IN? PETE. I THINK THAT IN SOME CASES, THEY DO THIS.
OKAY, THAT SOUNDS FINE TO ME. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE JANE'S ON THE NEXT PAGE.
YEAH, YEAH, THAT ONE'S REDUNDANT WITH P. Q IS REDUNDANT WITH P, SO.
OKAY. YOU WANT TO KEEP P OR KEEP Q? PROBABLY KEEP P.
YEAH I KNOW P BETTER. AND THEN SUSAN YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS ON R.
THIS IS SIMILAR REWRITE. OH THAT'S THE PARKING LOT ONE.
THAT WAS A FUN ONE. THAT WAS NOT MY IDEA BUT IT WAS SOMEWHERE.
I THINK WHAT I SAID WAS TO USE PARKING LOTS TO PUBLICLY SHOWCASE SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES.
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PARKING LOTS WOULD BECOME MULTI-PURPOSE SPACES WITH AREAS FOR HIGH DENSITY OR TRADITIONAL PARKING, AN AREA FOR CHARGING STATIONS, OVERFLOW AREAS WITH PERMEABLE PAVERS, RAIN CATCHMENT GARDEN AND TREE LINED PEDESTRIAN.THIS WOULD OFFER VISIBILITY AND SHOWCASING OF LEADERSHIP.
WALKWAYS. OKAY. IT'S VERY SIMILAR ACTUALLY. I THINK THAT UNDER THE ARE THE. THE TEXT IN BLACK IS TO BE STRICT STRICKEN.
IS THAT RIGHT? OH, I DON'T NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY.
IT'S IN TWO COLORS. OH, LOOK AT THAT SIGN THROUGH.
PROBABLY ENCOURAGE SOLAR CANOPY. YEAH, PROBABLY.
I THINK THAT YEAH. OKAY, SO MORE SO JUST MULTI-USE FOR PARKING LOTS. SO STRIKE OUT.
ENCOURAGING. BUT HOW DIFFERENT? WHAT IS WHAT IS IN SUSAN'S THAT ISN'T IN R AS WRITTEN? ACTUALLY, I THINK THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT IS I STARTED IT WITH USED PARKING LOTS TO PUBLICLY SHOWCASE SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES.
YEAH. AND SO IF WE HAVE. WELL, WE CAN DO THEM.
WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE THOUGH, UNLESS WE CAN SAY BECOME A TREND.
I THINK IT'S LIKE THE LITTLE LIKE THE PLANT. DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE HAD THE BOTANICAL GARDEN FESTIVAL OR NOT FESTIVAL, BUT I FORGET WHAT THEY CALLED IT. YEAH, YEAH, LIKE IT WAS A PARKING LOT.
FARMERS MARKETS USUALLY IN LIKE A PARKING LOT. SO DOING MORE OF THAT, MAKING IT A TREND.
THAT'S, IT'S ALSO ABOUT HAVING PARKING LOTS THAT AREN'T, THAT ARE SAFE FOR PEOPLE.
SO IF YOU HAVE I'VE SEEN PARKING LOTS, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE THERE'S A LINE OF TREES, TWO LINES OF TREES WITH A SIDEWALK IN BETWEEN THEM FOR PEDESTRIANS, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU HAVE A PLACE WHERE.
IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT PARKING LOTS SEEM TO BE DESIGNED FOR ALL THE CARS TO GO RIGHT UP TO THE BUILDING SO THAT YOU HAVE THIS BATTLE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE TRYING TO PARK THEIR CARS AND THE CARS TRYING TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.
SO REDESIGNING PARKING LOTS IS A COMPLICATED THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STUDYING FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT THIS IS ABOUT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, ABOUT CAPTURING RAIN GARDENS ON SITE, ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO USE THE PARKING LOTS, HAVE A SAFE PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A PICNIC TABLE OR SOMETHING IN THE PARKING LOT UNDER A TREE CANOPY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SOLAR CANOPY. I UNDERSTAND THAT PARKING LOTS, SOLAR PROPPED UP LIKE THAT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND HARDEST TO INSURE KIND OF SOLAR. WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN THERE? I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ALL THREE. ME, JESSICA IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN ARE TALKING ABOUT MULTI-PURPOSE SPACES. IT'S JUST WHAT WORDS DO YOU WANT TO USE? I MEAN, I THINK JUST STRIKING THAT WHAT WE STRUCK STRIKING THE END OF IT.
ENCOURAGE SOLAR CANOPIES THAT REWRITE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW PARKING LOTS TO BE MULTI-PURPOSE SPACES.
SO I MEAN. I DON'T SEE US REWRITING ANYTHING.
WE COULD SAY ENCOURAGE NEW PARKING LOTS TO BE MULTI-PURPOSE, OR ENCOURAGE PARKING LOTS TO PUBLICLY SHOW REQUIREMENTS FOR AND JUST PUT, ENCOURAGE NEW PARKING LOTS.
YEAH, THIS THIS CAN BE PART OF OUR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVIZATION PLAN IF IT'S ENCOURAGE FOR THE FUTURE. OKAY, SO ADD ENCOURAGE NEW PARKING LOTS TO BE MULTI-PURPOSE SPACES. SO JUST CHANGE REWRITE REQUIREMENTS FOR AND ADD ENCOURAGE.
OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN WHAT'S IN GREEN HERE.
YEP. YEP. OKAY. INSTRUCT ENCOURAGE ON. SO WE'RE BACK UP TO THE RED.
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OH YES. REDUCE DEVELOPMENT IN HIGH HAZARD AREAS.RESTRICT OR DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN TRIPLE A WHICH HAVE HIGH RISK FROM SEA LEVEL RISE.
AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON AREAS WITH LOW FLOOD RISK.
THAT TAKES A MANUAL TO UNDERSTAND. WHAT? FOR WHAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. SO THIS IS ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE AND ABOUT FLOOD RISK.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 YEARS OUT.
REDUCE DEVELOPMENT IN HIGH HAZARD AREAS. SO I THINK THAT SOME COMMUNITIES ARE SAYING, HEY, LET'S NOT HAVE SO MUCH BUILDING RIGHT ON THE WATERFRONT BECAUSE AS THAT IS A POSSIBLY A TEMPORARY PLACE.
BUT I DON'T REALLY LIKE THIS BECAUSE THE WHOLE REDUCED DEVELOPMENT, IF SOMEONE BUYS THAT PROPERTY, THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY, AND IF THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO GO BY GUIDELINES WITH FLOOD OR FEMA, HAVE TO GET INSURANCE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE OR TO GET A MORTGAGE OR TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE.
I KIND OF YEAH, I KIND OF WELL, MY, MY PERSPECTIVE IS I DON'T REALLY LIKE MY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO ELEVATE SOMEBODY'S HOME ON THE, ON THE SANDBAR THAT PEOPLE INSIST ON CALLING A PENINSULA WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY A BARRIER ISLAND.
SO I THINK THAT LOOKING AT BUILDING YOUR OWN RISK WOULD BE MY, MY ASSUMPTION.
IF YOU CAN'T INSURE IT, WHY SHOULD WE BE? WHY SHOULD THE CITY BE ELEVATING YOUR HOME FOR YOU? YOU KNOW, BUILD IT. ELEVATE IT. SO JUST LEAVE THIS OUT.
THE RED. I SAY YES, YES. OKAY. PLUS IT'S MORE INDIVIDUAL.
I WOULD SAY LET'S ENCOURAGE COMMUNITIES TO OWN THE, YOU KNOW, PUT THEM IN FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES FOR A COMMUNITY. IF WE COULD ENCOURAGE THAT, THAT WOULD BE BEST.
BUT SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE PARKS ALONG IN HIGH HAZARD FLOOD RISK AREAS, PUT PARKS THERE, PUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT KIND OF BORDERING WETLAND CONSERVATION OR IN SOME WAYS, PARKS THAT BORDER WATER. YEAH. LIKE IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, THEY BUY ADJACENT LANDS WITH THE IDEA THAT WHEN THE SAINT JOHN RIVER FLOODS, THERE WON'T BE PEOPLE LIVING THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT THOSE LANDS.
IS THAT THE EMAIL YOU SENT US? THAT WAS THE MEETING? YES. THAT WAS LAST NIGHT. DID THEY. WERE THEY DISCUSSING THAT TOPIC? I COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT. WELL, THEY MEET, THEY MEET TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT.
SO IT'S PARTLY ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.
DID ANYTHING HAPPEN AT THAT MEETING THAT YOU CAN.
OH. OH, I READ ABOUT THEM AFTER. WELL, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T GO.
IS THERE ANYTHING BY YOU SENDING US THAT EMAIL? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT THAT WE SHOULD CAPTURE IN OUR PLAN? WELL, MY IDEA WAS IDEALLY THE EELS PEOPLE, ENVIRONMENTALLY ENDANGERED LANDS WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE LAND ADJACENT TO SAINT JOHNS RIVER INSTEAD OF HAVING A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT THERE. YOU KNOW THAT THE EELS PROGRAM WOULD BE STEPPING UP AND.
WELL, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SUPPORT OF AREAS, AREAS? LOCAL PROGRAMS LIKE THE EELS AND SAINT JOHN RIVER MANAGEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE CITY CAN CONSERVE ITS LAND IF THEY PERCEIVE IT TO BE AT FLOOD RISK, TO SAVE IT FOR FUTURE WATER INCURSION. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AREAS THAT ARE ALONG CANALS, DON'T SELL IT. JUST KEEP IT FOR FUTURE OVERFLOW.
IN THE BEGINNING OF THE LIKE IN THE WILDLIFE ONE DOING THE EASEMENTS, THE IDEA WE'VE HAD OF DOING LIKE EASEMENTS, CONSERVATION EASEMENTS FOR THE CITY. IT COULD BE AREAS LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE AREAS THAT ARE TARGETED.
SO THAT'S WOULD BE IN THE WILDLIFE AREA. SO I THINK THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO WHAT DO WE WANT THIS TO BE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
GOOD POINT. SO LET'S MOVE ON. OKAY. SO WE ARE DONE.
WE ARE PUBLIC COMMENT WISE. IS THERE ANY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON IT? WELL YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH MINE. OH ADDING JUST GO FAST.
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OR IS THERE ANYTHING YOU SPECIFICALLY. SO WE DID.OH, I DO LIKE SOME OF THESE. YEAH. SO THE FIRST ONE IS TO WORK WITH GROWTH DEPARTMENT IN REVISING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, WHICH THEY'RE DOING RIGHT THIS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE AREAS OF LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, NATIVE PLANT LANDSCAPING, TREE PROTECTION, WETLAND PRESERVATION, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT INTEGRATION OF RECREATION AREAS ARE ALL THINGS THAT I THINK ARE CODE GENERATED.
WELL, JUST THOSE WORDS, BUT NOT AS A WHOLE.
DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT, JANE? I THINK WE MIGHT WHEN WE GET THE NEXT VERSION OF THIS.
REALLY? MAKE SURE LID IS IN THERE. OKAY. AS APPLICABLE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.
ALL RIGHT. WOODY, THEN FOR SURE. THE NEXT ONE.
THE CITY STAFF PREPARE REPORT. SO I THINK THAT'S IN THE WILDLIFE ONE FOR CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S IN ANOTHER SECTION. IS THAT A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT? YEAH. WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE YOU POSITIVE IT IS LOGAN? NO, BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK IT WHEN WE GET THE NEXT VERSION, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
YEAH. I MEAN, I WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF THAT, SO I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF IT, TOO.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN KEEP THESE. AND WHEN WE GET THAT FINAL VERSION, YOU CAN RUN THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE YOUR TARGETED ITEMS ARE IN THERE, OR WE CAN BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK NOW WITH THIS, I'LL SEND IT TO STAFF WHO WILL SEND IT TO JESSICA AND SHE CAN UPDATE IT, AND THEN THAT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED. AND THEN WE'LL DO, WE'LL HAVE THAT FINAL RUN THROUGH.
OR WE COULD PUT IT IN AND IF IT'S DUPLICATED WE COULD TAKE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, SMARTER NOT HARDER.
BECAUSE ALSO I CAN'T TYPE INTO THIS. THIS IS A HANDWRITTEN PDF THAT I'LL BE SENDING.
SO IT'D BE MORE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. SO THESE YEAH, SOME OF THESE AREN'T REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR I MEAN THEY'RE OVERALL GREAT SUGGESTIONS. I THINK IT KIND OF GOES A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE BUILD.
YEAH. YEAH I THINK SO TOO. IT'S KIND OF LIKE OVERALL GREAT SUGGESTIONS TO ALL SECTIONS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK A LOT OF THESE ARE ALREADY IN OTHER SECTIONS.
I MEAN THE LIDS. CAN WE GO BACK THROUGH. WE CAN CHECK THOSE, MAKE SURE THOSE ARE INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY LIKE TYPE THEM IN AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S A GOOD CHECKLIST TO MAKE SURE WE GET THESE ALL IN THERE.
OKAY WITH THAT SUSAN. PLEASE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND ALLOCATE TIME TO LOOK AT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? YEAH, WE STILL HAVE A WHOLE FINAL RUN THROUGH OF THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.
SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH EACH PORTIONS, EACH GOAL THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A RUN THROUGH.
THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF INCORPORATING MORE, NOT JUST REVIEWING.
AND WHILE WE HAVE JESSICA WITH A COMPUTER, IT'D BE EASIER TO PLUG THOSE IN OR AMEND THE GOALS.
IT'D BE EASIER TO DO THAT VERSUS US WRITING IN ON THIS AND SUBMITTING IT TO HAVE IT CHANGED SO WE CAN GO THROUGH AND BE STRATEGIC INSIDE THE GOALS AND ADD THOSE, IT'D BE LIKE A FINAL DOUBLE CHECK. SO WE STILL HAVE A PROBABLY A DRAFT AND THEN A FINAL DRAFT TO GO THROUGH.
SO THIS ISN'T FINAL. AND SOME OF THESE I THINK ARE IN OTHER AREAS OF IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE, THE BUILDING ENERGY AND BUILDINGS.
SO WHEN SO LOGAN, LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THIS STRAIGHT IN MY LITTLE BRAIN.
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SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEND YOUR NOTES TO JESS, AND WILL WE GET BACK? JUST LIKE A WHOLE. OOPS, A WHOLE ACTION PLAN.NOT JUST THE BUILD SECTION. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL GET THE WHOLE UPDATED FROM EVERY.
BECAUSE THIS FINISHES EVERYTHING I DO BELIEVE.
AND THEN SO I'M GOING TO SEND HER THESE NOTES THAT WE'VE TAKEN TODAY AND THEN THE ONES YOU ALL DID WHENEVER I WASN'T HERE. YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT KIND OF FIXED INTO THE ACTION PLAN THAT SHE'S BEEN EDITING, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT WHOLE PACKET BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO BIG PACKET.
YEAH OKAY. BECAUSE I'M KIND OF LOSING TRACK OF WHICH SECTION IS WHICH AND WHERE STUFF BELONGS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE BRING BACK SUSAN'S LIST HERE WITH THIS LAST ONE IN THE LIDS, AND THEN BE ABLE TO PLUG IN LIDS INSIDE THE GOALS INSTEAD OF MAKING NEW GOALS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT EVEN LARGER OF A BOOKLET, BECAUSE THE LARGER IT IS, THE LESS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO REALISTICALLY.
SO IF WE CAN ADD IN THINGS TO MAKE IT WITH THE LIDS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I THINK A LOT OF THESE ARE KEY ASPECTS AS WELL.
WILDLIFE LIKE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON THE WATER, LIKE FLOOD AREAS.
WE COULD MAKE THOSE FLOOD OR CONSERVATION EASEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO ALLOW FOR WILDLIFE.
AND IF IT'S FLOODING, THAT'S RISK, LIKE RISK MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO I THINK IT'D BE MORE THAN JUST LIKE BUILDING ASPECT.
I SEE HAVING FLOOD ZONES AS A WAY TO ALLOW THE AQUIFER TO RECHARGE THE UNDERGROUND AQUIFER.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE QUESTION ABOUT PRIVATE WELLS.
IF WE ALLOW THOSE TO BE DUG, DO WE HAVE A LIMIT ON HOW DEEP THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE? SO YES, THAT QUESTION I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN OTHER PLACES WHERE HOMEOWNERS WITH PRIVATE WELLS, THEIR WELLS WOULD GROW DRY, DRY BECAUSE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD DIG A DEEPER WELL, AND THEY WOULD BE THE LAST ONES TO RUN OUT OF WATER THAT WAY.
BUT THE PUBLIC FOUND ITSELF PUBLIC PLACES THAT HAD REALLY OLD WELLS THAT WERE PRETTY SHALLOW, THAT ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE CITY WATER WOULD GO DRY, TOO.
SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BUILDING CODES ARE WORDED FOR THAT, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S. I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ON CITY WATER IF IT'S AVAILABLE, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S WORDED THAT WAY. YES, THEY PASSED, AND IN 2025 WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT DOING WATER AND SEWER FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. PALM BAY, OF COURSE, HAS TO RUN SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND LINES AND STUFF, BUT YES, THAT'S ACTUALLY A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WANT EVERYBODY OFF SEPTIC AND WELLS AND PROVIDED THROUGH CITY.
SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS. OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE THAT SAVED. NOW DO YOU BELIEVE.
OH. NO. MAYBE NOT. BUT I'LL MAKE SURE TO GET SAVED. OH, YEAH. OH, THERE'S ADDED PAGE.
OH, WELL. OKAY. IN THE MISSING PAGE. OKAY, I'LL FIX THAT.
ANY. SO NOW, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY OTHER BUSINESS?
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UPCOMING MEETINGS OR EVENTS OF INTEREST? ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? UPCOMING? I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT LISA FRAZIER IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING AT THE MAY 12TH, CONRADINA MEETING ON THE CITY OF PALM BAY LID PLAN.SO WE SHOULD REALLY BE THERE AND WE WEAR OUR SHIRTS IF YOU ALL COME.
I'M LOOKING AT LOGAN AND REBECCA NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE SHIRTS.
IT'S MAY 12TH. IT'S IN THE EVENING. MONDAY EVENING AT THE MELBOURNE CHURCH OF NAZARENE AT 06:00.
IT STARTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, COME EARLY FOR FOOD AND SOCIAL.
WHAT TIME DOES IT? YOU SAID 6:00. SIX. JANE SENT AN INVITATION TO ALL THE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND WHO ELSE AND SOME BOARD MEMBERS THAT I WORK WITH ON A COUPLE OF BOARDS.
I MEAN, IT'S IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP LEARN ABOUT LID.
IT SHOULD BE AN EXCELLENT FORUM. YES. YEAH. IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY CROSS CONNECT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HELP OUR CITY.
YEAH. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT.
JUST I'M LOOKING AT IT AS MORE OF A GENERIC LID PRESENTATION.
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I DON'T EXPECT HER TO HAVE TO SPEAK ENTIRELY TO PALM BAY, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO TEACH SOUTH BREVARD ABOUT LID. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND THE BOARD I INVITED IS ACTUALLY IN PALM SHORES, THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE HOSPITAL BOARD.SO YEAH. EVERYBODY'S INVITED. YES, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ALSO WANTED TO HAND OUT THIS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE AT THE MEETING.
LET ME GIVE YOU GUYS A COUPLE HERE. THESE ARE FROM THE MRC WEBSITE.
THAT THEY'RE LIKE, YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE ONE AND HAND IT DOWN.
SORRY. THESE ARE BASICALLY LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS.
IT'S A PROGRAM THEY'VE STARTED DOING, AND THEY GAVE US PERMISSION TO PRINT THIS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PRINT OUT A BUNCH OF THESE FOR THE MEETING.
BUT THE REASON I WANTED TO HAND IT OUT HERE TO IS IF WE WERE TO START DOING ANY TABLING OF, OF US, YOU KNOW, GOING? YES. YES TO EVENTS THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BRING UP.
HOW DO WE FIND OUT IF THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO GET PRINTED FOR DISTRIBUTION AT PALM BAY EVENTS? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS DEREK, THE OUTREACH COORDINATOR, WOULD JUST TOUCH BASE WITH THE PIO OFFICER, CHRISTINA BORN, MAKE SURE IT'S AN OKAY FORMAT AND OKAYED BY HER.
AND THEN WE WOULD JUST GO FROM THERE. OKAY. WE COULD ALSO IF IF IT'S NOT UP TO HOST STANDARDS, WE COULD MAKE SOME CHANGES AND DO THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO HAND OUT. OKAY.
THIS IS RIGHT OFF THE MRC WEBSITE. SO THEY LIKE I SAID, THEY GAVE ME PERMISSION TO PRINT IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY PRINT MATERIALS FOR DISTRIBUTION. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH THEM, WHICH WE COULD. WE'RE AFFILIATED WITH MR, RIGHT? SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AT ALL. RIGHT, RIGHT.
I JUST, I FEEL I DON'T WANT TO BE CHANGING PEOPLE'S DOCUMENTS ON THEM WITHOUT TELLING THEM.
WELL, NOT ME ANYWAY. IT WAS HARD ENOUGH GETTING THIS INTO A FOLDABLE FORMAT.
I WANT TO CALL PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENT AND ON THE BACK I LOVED THE ACTION ITEMS FOR IMPACT. I'M TRYING TO THINK AHEAD FOR OUR MATRIX ONCE WE'RE THROUGH WITH OUR PLAN.
LOOK AT THIS AND GET IDEAS THAT WHAT WHAT MOTIVATES YOU LOOKING AT THIS.
THIS IS REALLY WELL DONE. AND WHEN YOU'RE READY MY PRINTER IS NOT GOOD.
SO IT'S REALLY A MUCH MORE VIVID BLUE. I COULD SEND IT TO YOU, YOU KNOW, A A SOFT COPY.
THIS IS REALLY NOT THAT GREAT OF A COPY. IT ALWAYS LOOKS BETTER ON THE COMPUTER FOR SURE.
AND THEN WHEN IT PRINTS OUT THE PRINTER'S, LIKE ON A COFFEE BREAK, IT JUST DOESN'T COME OUT RIGHT.
I THINK I RAN OUT OF BLUE AT SOME POINT. NO PROBLEM.
SO WHEN YOU'RE OR YOU WANT ME TO SEND IT TO YOU.
AND SO YOU HAVE IT. OKAY, I'LL DO THAT. YEAH, BECAUSE I GOT THE SOFT COPY.
OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I WANTED TO SAY THE SPEAK UP BREVARD PROGRAM IS STILL IN PROCESS. THERE WERE 77 SIAS. THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITIZENS THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH LID AND CONSERVATION AND THOSE THINGS.
AND I WANT TO APPLAUD REBECCA ZIEGLER FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM ABOUT THE EAL PROGRAM SHOULD BUY MORE LAND LID MANDATED FOR ALL NEW DEVELOPMENTS. I PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM.
AND JANE HIGGINS ALSO SUBMITTED THINGS THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE COUNTY TO BE STRENGTHENING WHAT THEY DO, AS WELL AS BEING A MODEL FOR MUNICIPALITIES.
SO I JUST APPLAUD ALL OF US ON THAT. AND THAT. WAS THAT FOR ME? IT ALL LOOKS CLEAR WHEN I PREPARE, BUT IT LOOKS A LITTLE UNCLEAR.
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ANYWAYS, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT? YEAH. ANYTHING? ANYTHING FROM. I JUST WANT TO MENTION IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.MISS HIGGINS LETTER THAT SHE WROTE TO ALL THE DIRECTORS.
I DISTRIBUTED THAT TO ALL OF THE DIRECTORS. AS I SAID I WOULD.
THE ONLY ONE I'VE HEARD FROM SO FAR IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHO JUST BASICALLY STATED THAT THEY HAVE NO GOALS IN SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOVERNED BY THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND THE FLORIDA STATE CONSERVATION CODE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HEARD FROM SO FAR. I'M STILL WAITING ON GABRIEL AND LISA FRAZIER AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES, SO HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE AN UPDATE AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH MORE.
THANK YOU. AND AND ALSO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THIS, DENNIS, BUT DEREK AND ERIC AND I WERE TALKING AFTER THE LAST MEETING, AND THEY'RE MAKING COPIES OF THE MS4 FOR WHICH BASICALLY IS THEIR OBJECTIVES, RIGHT? I MEAN, OKAY, SO ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN WE HAVE THOSE.
SO YES, THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT HAS IN STORE BECAUSE THEY'RE A PART OF THE MS4.
RIGHT. BUILDINGS PART OF THE MS4. BUT BUILDINGS STILL BASED OFF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
SO THOSE ARE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, CONCISE THAT WAY, RIGHT? YES. WE WOULD HAVE ALL THAT WHEN ERIC WHEN THEY GET THAT TO YOU.
YEAH. I MEAN I SENT THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY ALREADY.
SORRY. KEEP THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY GOING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DENNIS.
NO. SO I CREATED THAT FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT UP WHILE WE'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
AND THEN OVER TOP OF IT WAS YOUR SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE AS YOU'RE AWESOME.
YEAH, JUST KIND OF GIVE THEM A VISUAL. I LIKE IT.
WHAT IS THAT A PICTURE OF? IT IS A PICTURE OF THE TWIN LAKES POND OVER BY.
AWESOME. THANK YOU. NICE. THANK YOU. YEAH. NO PROBLEM.
WE WERE ASKED BY THE PRESENTER TO POSTPONE IT, MAYBE UNTIL ABOUT JUNE.
SO SOMETIME JUNE, I DON'T. I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING A MEETING.
IS THAT CORRECT FOR JUNE? YEAH, I THINK CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE.
AM I WRONG ON THAT OR. I THINK HISTORICALLY WE'VE ALWAYS MIMICKED OKAY.
LIKE IF THAT'S THE CASE I'LL GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK SO WE CAN CORRECT IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW ON THE CITY WEBSITE, THERE IS STILL A JUNE MEETING SLATED.
WELL, SO ARE YOU SAYING NOT TO HAVE IT, LOGAN? I THINK TYPICALLY WE DON'T. I THINK MOST, MOST ADVISORY BOARDS DON'T MEET WHENEVER CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T MEET.
SO WHEN CITY COUNCIL ISN'T MEETING IT'S KIND OF IN THE MONTH OF JUNE IS USUALLY A VACATION TIME.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MOST CITY COUNCILS STOPPED HAVING COUNCIL MEETINGS IN JUNE, BECAUSE IT'S THE START OF SUMMER. I'M WILLING TO FOLLOW BEST ADVICE HERE.
WHOEVER. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE OFFICIALLY CANCELED A MEETING AHEAD OF TIME, BUT IF QUORUM IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, OR IF STAFFING IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM ON THE CITY SIDE, I'M FINE WITH FOLLOWING WHATEVER JUNE IS IS A VERY TROUBLING MONTH FOR ME, SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THERE'S LIKE 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT WEEKS.
I'LL BE THERE'S ONLY FOUR WEEKS IN THE MONTH, SO IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A STRUGGLE.
JUST A BUNCH OF EVENTS ARE GOING ON IN JUNE, BUT WE CAN I MEAN, WE CAN.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING IN AUGUST OR JULY. SORRY.
JULY. JULY. JULY. I'M SKIPPING A MONTH. YEAH.
DEFINITELY APPRECIATIVE. AND BRING THE INSIGHT THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
I'M SURE THESE HAVE BEEN FUN. TIME FOR YOU ALL TO CATCH UP ON OTHER WORK AS WELL.
SO. BUT DO THANK YOU ALL. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE MEETING AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.