Aug 21, 2025 Council Meetings - Regular

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OKAY, SO IT IS 1800 HOURS. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING 2025 DASH

[CALL TO ORDER:]

AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

PLEASE RISE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. CITY OF PALM BAY FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE INVOCATION.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ARE REMINDED. WE ARE REMINDED TO ENTER YOUR GATES WITH THANKSGIVING AND TO ENTER YOUR COURTS WITH PRAISE.

AND SO MY PRAYER THIS EVENING, MYSELF INCLUDED.

AND FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE EVEN WATCHING ONLINE, THAT WE BE REMINDED THAT WE TRULY HAVE SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR IN OUR LIVES.

AS WE COME TOGETHER THIS EVENING, WE PRAY THAT WE WILL BE ENTERING THROUGH YOUR GATE WITH THANKSGIVING AND ENTERING INTO YOUR COURT WITH PRAISE, BECAUSE YOUR COURT IS A COURT OF JUSTICE. IT IS A COURT OF TRUTH.

IT IS A COURT OF PEACE AND EVEN A COURT OF JOY.

I PRAY THAT TONIGHT AND AT ALL TIMES WE ENTER INTO YOUR COURT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU REIGN.

AND YOU RULE WITH WISDOM, COMPASSION WITH JUSTICE.

YOU DESIRE THAT NONE SHALL PERISH, THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE OTHER.

AND KNOWING THAT YOU CAN NEVER LOVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US MORE THAN YOU DO RIGHT NOW.

I PRAY THIS CITY, ITS WORKERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITIZENS WILL BE LIKE THAT WISE MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON THE ROCK, AND NOT THE FOOLISH MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON THE SHIFTING SAND, BECAUSE THERE'S A STORM COMING.

IN FACT, IT'S ALREADY HERE. SO I PRAY WE'RE SOLIDLY GROUNDED.

JOHN ADAMS, OUR SECOND PRESIDENT, SAID IT BEST.

HE DESCRIBED THIS SOLIDLY GROUNDED BEST. HE SAID, SUPPOSE A NATION, OR SUPPOSE A CITY IN SOME DISTANT REGION SHOULD TAKE THE BIBLE FOR THEIR ONLY LAW BOOK, AND EVERY MEMBER WOULD REGULATE HIS CONDUCT BY THE PRECEPTS THEREIN.

WHAT A UTOPIA! WHAT A PARADISE THIS REGION WOULD BE.

SO, FATHER, LET PALM BAY BE THE CITY SET ON A HILL THAT CANNOT BE HIDDEN, AND IT CANNOT BE MOVED BECAUSE OUR FOUNDATION IS ON SOLID GROUND.

LET IT BE A CITY THAT CONFESSES AND REPENTS FOR ITS PAST SINS, AND ONE THAT HONORS GOD.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN YOUR WILL, AND THAT WE TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS TODAY AND PLAN FOR THOSE TOMORROW SUCH THAT WE TOO CAN BECOME THAT UTOPIA, THAT PARADISE THAT YOU DESIRE FOR THIS CITY TO BE.

AND IN THE NAME OF JESUS. MAY GOD BLESS PALM BAY AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE TURN ON FACEBOOK LIVE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MRS. JONES. PRESIDENT. I'M SORRY. THERE WE GO.

DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, PRESENT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, PRESENT.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER'S BY PHONE. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER.

PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. LANGEVIN. PRESENT. MRS. MOSCONI PRESENT.

MISS SMITH HERE. DEPUTY MAYOR. ONE TERM EXPIRING ON THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]

OKAY, WE ARE NOW ON AGENDA REVISIONS. MADAME MOSCONI.

[AGENDA REVISIONS:]

IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANTS FOR ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE CASES RELATED TO LOTUS PALM BAY BE CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 18TH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

I NEED A MOTION STAFF, SO MOVE A SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. ANY DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY.

OKAY. BEFORE WE GO ON, MADAME JONES, CAN I GET A TEST SO I COULD HEAR COUNCILMAN HAMMER, PLEASE? COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. COUNCILMAN HAMMER, CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING? YEAH. I'M HERE. OKAY. CARRY ON. MISS MOSCONI.

THANK YOU. SIR. YAY! COPY THAT, SIR. CARRY ON, MR. MISSKELLEY. STAFF IS ALSO REQUESTING THAT ITEM SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE.

UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATED TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AMENDMENTS BE CONTINUED TO THE JANUARY 15TH,

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I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, JASON DELORENZO.

AS YOU'LL RECALL, THESE AMENDMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO YOU ON MAY 15TH, WHICH WAS OUR NEW CITY MANAGER'S FIRST COUNCIL MEETING.

HE ASKED AT THAT TIME FOR CONTINUANCE UNTIL TONIGHT, AND DID STATE AT THAT MEETING THAT HE WOULD BE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL TIME.

BUT SINCE THEN, JASON, IN COMBINATION WITH LISA FRAZIER, OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, HAS COME UP WITH A VERY SOLID PLAN AND WE WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING. CARRY ON, MR. DILORENZO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JASON DILORENZO, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

AND TONIGHT, I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE STRATEGY THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED TO REENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.

FOR THE PHASE TWO UPDATES OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND AS MR. MOSCONI MENTIONED, ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE OF ITEMS SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE TO JANUARY 15TH, 2026.

PHASE TWO ISN'T JUST ABOUT TWEAKING REGULATIONS ABOUT.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS REFLECT WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED TO THIS POINT.

CREATING A NEW CODE TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT FROM ALL INVOLVED.

WHEN THE CONSULTANT PRESENTED LAST YEAR, SHE DESCRIBED HOW THE TEAM REORGANIZED, IMPLEMENTED AND UPDATED THE CODE.

THE FINAL STEP IS TO REFINE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL ACHIEVE WITH PHASE TWO.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN SHAPING OUR CITY HOW WE LOOK, HOW WE PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND HOW WE ENCOURAGE INVESTMENT IN THE CITY. BUT AS AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S ALSO A DOCUMENT THAT CAN STIR UP A LOT OF PASSION.

THAT'S WHY THIS PROCESS IS FOCUSED ON LISTENING FIRST.

MAKING SPACE FOR REAL DIALOG AND BUILDING A CODE THAT'S NOT ONLY TECHNICALLY SOUND, BUT PUBLICLY SUPPORTED.

OUR GOAL IS SIMPLE CONDUCT A FAIR, OPEN, AND THOUGHTFUL ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT HELPS US GET A BETTER CODE ONE THAT WORKS FOR RESIDENTS, INVESTORS, BUSINESS OWNERS, AND YOUTH CITY COUNCIL.

WE WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT BALANCES QUALITY OF LIFE WITH SMART, BALANCED, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH.

WE'VE BUILT THE ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY AROUND FOUR GUIDING IDEAS.

TRANSPARENCY WILL BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT, AND HOW PEOPLE CAN BE INVOLVED.

TWO. INCLUSION. EVERYONE GETS A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

RESIDENTS. DEVELOPERS. NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. BUSINESS LEADERS.

ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES. EVERYONE. RESPONSIVENESS.

IF SOMEONE RAISES A CONCERN, WE'LL LISTEN AND RESPOND WITH FACTS, DATA AND RESPECT AND BALANCE.

WE WANT A CODE THAT PROTECTS THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY, BUT ALSO ENCOURAGES QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT.

THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN HAS FOUR STEPS. FIRST, WE'LL LISTEN AND RECONNECT WITH ONE ON ONE AND SMALL GROUP LISTENING SESSIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

ALSO, STAKEHOLDER GROUPS THAT USE THE CODE EVERY DAY, AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, BUSINESS AND ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND OF COURSE CITIZENS.

WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PAIN POINTS AND GATHER HONEST FEEDBACK.

THEN WE'LL COLLABORATE AND CO-CREATE BY SHIFTING IT TO FOCUS GROUPS AND TOWN HALLS.

THESE SESSIONS WILL DIVE INTO KEY TOPICS LIKE HOUSING, DESIGN STANDARDS, LANDSCAPING, AND PROCESS AND BRING FOLKS TOGETHER TO HELP SHAPE REAL SOLUTIONS. ONCE WE'VE GATHERED ENOUGH INPUT, WE'LL WILL DRAFT AND VALIDATE BY PUBLISHING A RED LINE VERSION OF THE CODE, SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT'S CHANGED AND WHY. THEN WE'LL HOST REVIEW SESSIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND OFFER ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

FINALLY, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE FORMAL PROCESS OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ADOPTION.

PNC WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THE UPDATED CODE TO YOU FOR FORMAL HEARINGS AND ADOPTION.

AND ALONG THE WAY, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO HIGHLIGHT HOW STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK SHAPED THE FINAL PRODUCT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS ABOUT RESTORING TRUST, IMPROVING THE PROCESS, AND CREATING A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE KNOW WE WON'T GET A 100% AGREEMENT, BUT IF WE DO IT RIGHT, WE'LL GET BROAD SUPPORT AND THAT MAKES FOR A STRONGER, MORE TRANSPARENT CITY. THAT IS A HIGH LEVEL VIEW.

WE HAVE A DEEP OUTLINE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OUR FIRST STAKEHOLDER MEETING ON NEXT MONDAY AND TO GET THE BALL ROLLING, AND THEN WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO SCHEDULE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.

AND SO WHEN IS THIS STAKEHOLDERS MEETING? NEXT MONDAY.

IT'LL BE DURING THE DAY. IT'S 9:09 A.M., 9 TO 11.

THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF OUR LISTENING SESSIONS TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR STAKEHOLDERS UNDERSTAND THE CODE CHANGES AND

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AND WHEN WILL THAT BE HELD? IT'S IN THE FIRST FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM IN CITY HALL.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YES, SIR. COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS? MR. DILORENZO? NONE. SEEING? NONE. CARRY ON. SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR AGENDA? REVISIONS? MADAM MOSCONI? IT DOES. WE JUST ASK FOR A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE, PLEASE.

YES. SO MOVE. WELL, WE. FOR THE OR FOR THIS ONE? OKAY. TO JANUARY 15TH A SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. SO, MADAME SMITH, ANY AGENDA REVISIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY, COUNCIL, I HAVE AN AGENDA REQUEST TO MOVE NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE TO BEFORE THE PUBLIC. PUBLIC COMMENTS. I WOULD NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.

OKAY. JUST JUST FOR CLARITY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO.

IS IT GOING TO BE ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO OR.

YEAH. NO ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE. RIGHT.

BUT I THINK WE'RE HEARING THOSE. ARE THEY STILL ONE ITEM IF THEY'RE HEARD SEPARATELY OR JUST SEPARATELY.

IT'S IT'S MOTIONS OKAY. IT'S THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS.

THREE SEPARATE ONE OKAY. ONE ITEM I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT AGENDA CHANGE.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

OR HAMMER'S ON THE PHONE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YEP. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. SO, NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE WILL BE MOVED RIGHT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER AGENDA REVISIONS? YES, MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS ONE AND TWO, RIGHT BEFORE PRESENTATIONS.

COPY THAT. I NEED A MOTION. OH, I NEED A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND. SO PUBLIC HEARINGS? ONE AND TWO.

YES, SIR. THAT'S FOR DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR RIGHT AFTER PRESENTATIONS.

BEFORE. RIGHT BEFORE PRESENTATIONS. BEFORE PRESENTATIONS.

SOMETIMES WE DO, LIKE TWO HOURS. OKAY. OKAY. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IS HERE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN AND 8 OR 9. THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONTINUING AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.

LOTUS PALM BAY ITEMS WILL CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER 18TH.

COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE ON PROCLAMATIONS.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]

COME ON UP. AGING MATTERS IN BREVARD. 60TH ANNIVERSARY.

JUNE 7TH, 2025. IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIM BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS AGING MATTERS IN BREVARD. ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS THE COMMUNITY SERVICE COUNCIL, WAS INCORPORATED AS A NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION BACK IN JUNE 7TH, 1965 AND TODAY PROMOTES THE INDEPENDENCE, HEALTH, SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF SENIORS COUNTYWIDE.

AND WHEREAS, AGING MATTERS IS NOW THE LEADING AGENCY PROVIDING DIRECT SERVICES TO SENIORS ACROSS BREVARD COUNTY, AND IS KICKING OFF HIS 60TH ANNIVERSARY INITIATIVE ON JULY 1ST, 2025.

WHEREAS HAVING GROWN ALONGSIDE BREVARD COUNTY, AGING MATTERS NOW EMPLOYS MORE THAN 90 STAFF MEMBERS AND MOBILIZES MORE THAN 800 VOLUNTEERS WHO DRIVE MORE THAN 400,000 MILES ANNUALLY.

WHEREAS AGING MATTERS STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS, WITH THE ASSISTANCE FROM A MYRIAD OF SUPPORTERS, PROVIDE LIFE CHANGING SERVICES TO HUNDREDS OF SENIORS ANNUALLY COUNTYWIDE, INCLUDING 79,000 HOURS OF COMPANIONSHIP,

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IN 2024 ALONE. WHEREAS AGING MATTERS HAS PREPARED MORE THAN 425,000 MEALS AT ITS BREVARD COMMUNITY KITCHEN FOR DAILY DISTRIBUTION THROUGH ITS MEALS ON WHEELS.

YOU KNOW, I CANNOT SAY MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM AND NOT THINK OF ROBERT THEISS.

MEALS ARE PROVIDED WEEKLY FOR 13 SENIOR LUNCH.

COMMUNITY DINING CENTERS AND PET FOOD IS PROVIDED MONTHLY TO 160 CLIENTS THROUGH PETS ON WHEELS.

AND WHEREAS AGING MATTERS HAS INSTALLED 178 HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE RAMPS, 2100 HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE GRAB BARS, AS WELL AS OPERATED THE SUNFLOWER HOUSE, WHICH PROVIDES CRITICAL CAREGIVERS SUPPORT. THEY HAVE CONDUCTED BONE BUILDER'S CLASSES FOR 370 SENIORS TO HELP PREVENT OSTEOPOROSIS, AS WELL AS RECRUITED VOLUNTEERS FOR THE RETIRED SENIOR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AND MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE JUNE 7TH, 2025 AS AGING MATTERS BREVARD 60TH ANNIVERSARY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA AND ENCOURAGE ALL OUR CITIZENS TO JOIN IN RECOGNIZING 60 YEARS OF DISTINGUISHED SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS AND PARTICULARLY THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF BREVARD COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND CONGRATULATE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND AGING MATTERS FOR A JOB WELL DONE AND WITNESS HEREOF.

I SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS 21ST DAY OF AUGUST.

CONGRATULATIONS, TOM. PETERS. ALL RIGHT. VOLUNTEERS.

YOU GET A PICTURE WITH HIM? YEAH, YEAH. WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY A FEW WORDS BEFORE THE PICTURE? YOU'RE WRONG. YOU'RE BREAKING UP THE WATER SAFE.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING? OKAY. THAT'S MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.

NO, BUT YOU'RE COMING ON THIS SIDE AND SAYING IT TO THE AUDIENCE. ALL RIGHT, SO.

PALM BAY. COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF AND GUESTS. MY NAME IS TOM CAMDEN.

I AM THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF AGING MATTERS IN BREVARD.

ON BEHALF OF AGING MATTERS IN BREVARD. BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

IT'S PROFESSIONAL STAFF, HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS.

AND THE 79 MEALS ON WHEELS AND 56 SENIOR ALLIANCE CLIENTS WE PRESENTLY SERVE IN PALM BAY, ALONG WITH THE MULTITUDE OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE FOR SENIORS.

WE THANK YOU MOST SINCERELY FOR THIS PROCLAMATION.

IT MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO US. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY CAMERA FOR HIS SUPPORT GOING ON MEALS ON WHEELS ROUTE, BUT ALSO PATRICIA SMITH, WHO'S BEEN ON OUR BOARD FOR MANY YEARS AND HAS NOW NOW STEPPED OFF.

BUT I WANT TO THANK HER. THANK HER DIRECTLY. SO.

YES, PLEASE. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. AND PALM BAY IS A BE A DEEP AND WONDERFUL PARTNER THAT WE HAVE. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I JUST WANT TO SHARE A RECENT STORY THAT WE HAD.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS SEEN ISSUES WITH THINGS GOING ON IN THE PAPER ABOUT FUNDING AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

AND SO WE HAD OUR FIRST ADOPT A SENIOR COME FROM A LOCAL BUSINESS.

SHERRY TALBOT OF REMAX, ACTUALLY GAVE US $2,000 TO TAKE A CRITICAL CEO OFF A WAITLIST JUST A FEW MILES DOWN THE ROAD. SO DONALD WAS TAKEN OFF THE WAITLIST, AND HE WAS ONE OF OUR FIVES, OUR HIGHEST LEVEL OF NUTRITIONAL NEED.

SO RIGHT THERE SAYS OUR COMMUNITY IS COMING TOGETHER.

SINCE THAT POINT, WE ARE NOW UP TO I THINK WE'RE ROUGHLY EIGHT RIGHT NOW, EIGHT CLIENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THAT LIST, THOSE CRITICAL FIVES LIVES DUE TO CONTRIBUTIONS FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES AND LOCAL CHAPTERS.

SO AGAIN, WE'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS A COMMUNITY, MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS A TOWN.

MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS A COUNTY. THANK YOU. OH.

THANK YOU. ARE YOU COMING IN? I PROBABLY WILL.

WE'LL FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, SIR.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. AND THE YANKEE SHIRT.

THANK YOU SIR. THE STAFF HAS BEEN TERRIFIC AND SUPPORTIVE, AND WE VERY HONORED TO BE OH, TOM.

YEAH. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

RIGHT AFTER ORDINANCE 20 2529, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 34, BLOCK 171, PORT MALABAR. UNIT SEVEN. ACCORDING TO THE PLOT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 14, PAGE 128 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND MAYOR, I DID WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT COUNCILMAN HAMMER WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM THIS VOTE.

THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TYPICALLY REQUIRED TO VOTE, BUT THEY CAN ABSTAIN IF THERE IS OR APPEARS TO BE A CONFLICT, AND IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANTS ARE COUNCILMAN HAMMER'S FORMER IN-LAWS.

OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM. SO I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.

MADAM MOSCONI, YOU WANT TO PRESENT THIS? YES, MAYOR.

THIS IS A VACATION OF EASEMENT OF 0.016 ACRES IN A REAR PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING A SWIMMING POOL AND DECK IN THE BACKYARD.

AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO HAVE STAFF ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF COUNSEL? SEEING NONE.

AND I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

COME ON UP, SIR. VERY WELL. OKAY, SO TAKE YOUR TIME.

CAN YOU GUIDE HIM, MA'AM? RIGHT HERE. YES, SIR.

OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PHIL. THANK YOU SIR.

ALL RIGHT. HELLO. HI. DO YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT.

DO YOU NEED SOMETHING? SO YOU JUST TELL US WHAT YOU NEED.

OKAY. AND PRESENT THAT BEHIND OUR PROPERTY IS A 20FT EASEMENT.

IT WAS A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT USED TO BE TELEPHONE POLES AND POWER LINES IN THE BACK, WHICH WERE REMOVED WHEN THEY PUT THE UNDERGROUND POWER IN.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS JUST TEN FEET OF THAT EASEMENT VACATED SO THAT WE CAN PUT A SWIMMING POOL IN THE BACKYARD, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A ROOM TO PUT ANYTHING IN THERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL? THANK YOU SIR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? FOR OR FOR AGAINST THIS ITEMS. THANK YOU, MR. WEINBERG. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND IT. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE PASSES FOUR ZERO, WITH ONE ABSTAINING.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, MADAME MOSCONE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A PROPOSED SWIMMING POOL.

THE VARIANCE IS TO ENCROACH FIVE FEET INTO THE TEN FOOT REAR SETBACK.

AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I WILL ASK OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, LISA FRAZIER, TO COME UP AND PRESENT THE CASE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. COME ON UP, MISS FRAZIER. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR. COUNCIL. AS STATED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR VARIANCE TO ALLOW PROPOSED SWIMMING POOL AND SCREEN ENCLOSURE TO ENCROACH FIVE FEET INTO THE TEN FOOT REAR SETBACK ESTABLISHED FOR SWIMMING POOLS AS REQUIRED IN SECTION 174 002 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THIS LOT RESIDES IN THE GARDENS AT WATERSTONE PUD, SO THE APPLICANT ALSO WAS REQUIRED TO RECEIVE FULL APPROVAL FROM THE HOA, AND THE HOA DID ALLOW THAT THEY CAN ENCROACH IN THE TEN FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS ALSO A MAINTENANCE EASEMENT. THEY FELT THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

VARIANCES FROM THE TERMS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MAY BE GRANTED WHEN SPECIAL CONDITIONS EXIST THAT WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP.

IF THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WERE ENFORCED.

HOWEVER, VARIANCE MAY NOT BE GRANTED WHEN THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY WOULD BE COMPROMISED AS A RESULT OF THE VARIANCE.

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PLEASE BE AWARE THAT HARDSHIP IS DEFINED AT A STATE LEVEL.

THIS STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL BASED ON NO UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP WAS PRESENTED.

THIS IS A NEW BUILD, AND THEY HAD THE CHOICE TO ALLOCATE THE THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THEIR HOME OR THE STRUCTURE TO ALLOW ROOM FOR FOR A POOL. THAT'S WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED.

I'M SORRY. DENIAL. AND YET PNC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

I WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU ALL. ANY QUESTIONS? AND SO I JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, THE HOA APPROVED IT.

YES, SIR. I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST HURDLE TO OVERCOME WOULD BE THAT AN HOA TO APPROVE A VARIANCE.

IS THAT SAFE TO SAY, MA'AM? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

YES, SIR. THEY THEY ALLOWED THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE TEN FOOT EASEMENT AND THEIR MAINTENANCE EASEMENT FOR THE POND IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

THEY FELT THAT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH FLAT AREA FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COUNCILMAN. HAMMER? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

DEPUTY MAYOR AND SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ONE. NO, MAYOR.

OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE, AYE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS:]

ALL RIGHT, I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF. THANK YOU.

I'M TRAVIS HILLS WITH KEDLESTON ASSOCIATES. I'M THE CONSULTANT FOR THE SPACE COAST TPO.

AND JUST TO RECOGNIZE OUR TPO PARTNERS, OUR TPO STAFF.

SO GEORGIANA GILLETTE PATTI IS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN SARAH CRUMB ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US PRESENT THIS EVENING.

SO A LITTLE BIT ON THE OUTLINE. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE VISION GOALS AND THE STUDY AREA FOR OUR PROJECT.

A LITTLE BIT OF A SUMMARY ON EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS, STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH, A LITTLE BIT ON TRAIL HIERARCHY AND TYPOLOGY.

AND THEN WE'LL REALLY TALK THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED TRAILS BOTH FOR THE AREA AND THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR PALM BAY.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR OUR STUDY.

STUDIES. SO AT YOUR PLACE, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAVE THE POWERPOINT THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH ME.

AND THEN THERE'S TWO SETS OF MAPS. THE FIRST IS THE PALM BAY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDED TRAILS.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A LARGER MAP SET. OR THERE'S A MAP WITH A LARGER TABLE SET THAT HAS ALL OF THE RECOMMENDED TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AREA.

SO A LITTLE BIT ON OUR PROJECT VISION GOALS. SO REALLY OUR THE GOAL OF OUR STUDY WAS TO PROVIDE AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK REALLY FOCUSED ON EXPANDING THE TRAIL AND THE MULTIMODAL KIND OF NATURE OF SOUTHERN BREVARD COUNTY, REALLY PROMOTING RECREATION, PUBLIC HEALTH, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, AND THEN REALLY ENHANCING CONTINUING TO ENHANCE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT TRAILS BRING TO OUR SOUTHERN BREVARD COUNTY. SO OUR STUDY AREA, BASICALLY, IT'S EVERYTHING SOUTH OF PALM BAY ROAD DOWN TO INDIAN RIVER COUNTY LINE, SAINT JOHNS RIVER TO THE WEST, AND US1 TO THE EAST.

OH, SORRY. SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE FOLKS AN IDEA ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.

SO YOU SEE THIS KIND OF INVERTED TRIANGLE? I KNOW YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW PROJECTS GET DEVELOPED AND BUILT, BUT FOR FOLKS THAT MAY NOT, WE'RE REALLY AT THAT.

WHAT I WOULD SAY 10,000 FOOT LEVEL. SO WE'RE AT THAT SUBAREA STUDY, THAT PLANNING STUDY REALLY KIND OF HELPING SET THE FOUNDATION FOR WHAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY ROLL INTO FUTURE KIND OF FEASIBILITY STUDIES, MORE DETAIL ANALYSIS THAT THEN HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD INTO DESIGN RIGHT AWAY IF NECESSARY.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCTION. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS YOU HAVE AT THE CITY.

VERY LONG TIMELINES FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS.

WE'RE LOOKING ANYWHERE BETWEEN KIND OF TEN AND 15 YEARS FROM WHERE WE'RE AT NOW TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF THESE TRAILS IN THE GROUND.

SO THEN ON EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS. SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID WAS REVIEWED ALL THE PREVIOUS PLANS AND STUDIES FOR THE AREA, AND THEN WENT THROUGH A MAP, ALL OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ON ALL OF THE PED BIKE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN BREVARD COUNTY.

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WE USE THAT TO CREATE AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROPENSITY INDEX.

TRY SAYING THAT FIVE TIMES FAST. AND WE USED REALLY THOSE TWO LAYERS.

WE OVERLAID THOSE TO REALLY FIND WHERE WE MAY HAVE GAPS IN OUR NETWORK.

SO THAT FIRST STEP THAT I MENTIONED, MAPPING ALL OF THE EXISTING AND PLANNED TRAILS.

YOU SEE, WE HAVE A FAIRLY ROBUST NETWORK OUT IN SOUTHERN BREVARD COUNTY TODAY, A LOT OF ROADS OR A LOT OF TRAIL, PEN AND BIKE FACILITIES IN PALM BAY SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN A LOT OF UNPAVED.

THOSE KIND OF BROWN FACILITIES THAT YOU SEE THROUGH A LOT OF THE NATURE AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.

SO THEN I MENTIONED THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROPENSITY INDEX.

SO REALLY KIND OF MAPPING WHERE WE THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WALKING AND BIKING THE MOST.

REALLY NO SURPRISE, PALM BAY REALLY WAS KIND OF THE CENTER OF A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY, REALLY KIND OF BY SHOWN BY SOME OF THOSE DARKER AREAS THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP.

AND THEN BAREFOOT BAY, KIND OF IN THE SOUTHEAST, ALSO POPPED AS WELL.

SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS WE WANTED TO OVERLAY WHERE WE HAD EXISTING AND PLANNED FACILITIES WITH OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROPENSITY INDEX.

AND REALLY WHAT WE SEE IS WE HAVE FAIRLY GOOD COVERAGE OF PALM BAY. WE HAVE A LOT OF SHARED USE PATHS, A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, A LOT OF BIKE FACILITIES TODAY.

BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HOW ARE WE CONNECTING PEOPLE FROM KIND OF THE NORTHERN PORTION OF OUR STUDY AREA, THE PALM BAY AREA DOWN TO THE SOUTH.

SO OUR PROCESS INCLUDED A VERY ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH COMPONENT.

SO WE HAD THREE PROJECT WORKING GROUP MEETINGS. THIS INCLUDED ALL OF THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.

SO PALM BAY, GRANT, VALKYRIA, MALABAR, A NUMBER OF OTHER DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES AND AGENCIES AS WELL.

WE THEN HELD SIX AGENCY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, SPECIFICALLY WITH PALM BAY AND THEN THE OTHER LOCAL AGENCIES AS WELL.

AND THEN WE HAD AN IN-PERSON PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE DOWN IN GRANT VALKYRIA WITH AN ONLINE MAPPING TOOL THAT WE PROMOTED TO HELP GET PEOPLE BOTH IN PERSON AND THEN ONLINE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. WE HAD A VIRTUAL LUNCH AND LEARN TO SUPPLEMENT FOR THE FOLKS THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT IN PERSON.

AND THEN NOW WE'RE ON TO DOING OUR FINAL BOARD AND COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS.

SO REALLY THE KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH PREFER PEOPLE WOULD PREFER MORE OFF ROAD AND UNPAVED TRAILS.

SO REALLY GETTING INTO ALL OF THOSE KIND OF NATURE AREAS, REALLY GETTING BACK OUT INTO THOSE NATURE AREAS AND REALLY KIND OF OFF OF THE ROADWAY.

I THINK A LOT OF OUR M.O. IS TO BUILD THESE SHARED USE PATHS, THESE SIDEWALKS, THESE BIKE LANES, WITH THESE ROAD PROJECTS. REALLY WHAT WE WERE SEEING FROM OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS PEOPLE WANT TO GET OFF THE ROADS AND GET BACK OUT INTO THE DIFFERENT KIND OF NATURE AREAS THAT WE HAVE AROUND SOUTHERN BREVARD. SO THEN VERY QUICKLY ON THE TRAIL HIERARCHY AND TYPOLOGY.

SO WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAILS THAT WE RECOMMENDED AS A PART OF OUR STUDY.

SO THE PRIMARY THESE ARE YOUR COUNTY WIDE STATEWIDE REGIONAL TRAILS, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE SHOWCASE TRAILS NETWORK IN BREVARD COUNTY.

WE ALSO HAD SECONDARY TRAILS. THESE WERE MORE KIND OF LOCAL CITY TRAILS THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THOSE PRIMARY TRAILS AND THEN TERTIARY.

THESE ARE THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL TRAILS SHORTER THAT THEN CONNECT TO THE DIFFERENT SECONDARY AND PRIMARY TRAILS IN OUR NETWORK.

SO ONTO THE RECOMMENDED TRAILS NETWORK. WE DID HAVE A DATA DRIVEN APPROACH TO GET US TO OUR RECOMMENDED NETWORK.

BUT REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT CAME DOWN TO A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT.

WHAT DID THE LOCALS WANT? WHAT DID THE PUBLIC WANT? SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS SCREENING PROCESS AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED.

SO SEE ALL KIND OF THE BOLDED LINES THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR EXISTING AND PLANNED TRAILS.

AND THEN WHEN I GO, YOU SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY FILL OUT A LOT OF THOSE FACILITIES KIND OF AROUND PALM BAY.

AND THEN REALLY AS WE EXPAND FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST, TO REALLY CONNECT IN WITH A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF OUR STUDY AREA. SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF OUR RECOMMENDED TRAILS NETWORK.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING WE HAVE 255 TOTAL MILES OF EXISTING AND PLANNED FACILITIES OR SORRY, 69 PLAN FACILITIES, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING OVER 140 NEW MILES OF TRAILS AND OR PED BIKE FACILITIES THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN BREVARD COUNTY, WHERE HOPEFULLY ONCE ALL THIS GETS IMPLEMENTED, WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE UP OVER 460 MILES OF TOTAL KIND OF NETWORK MILES IN OUR IN OUR SOUTHERN BREVARD AREA. THESE ARE KIND OF BROKEN UP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE BETWEEN SHARED USE PATHS THAT ARE OFF ROAD OR ALONG ROAD, DIFFERENT ON STREET FACILITIES OR UNPAVED OR DESIGNATED PADDLING TRAILS, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS KIND OF THE SCENIC BLUE WAY TRAILS AS WELL.

SO ONCE WE CAME UP WITH THIS RECOMMENDED NETWORK, WE WENT THROUGH A PRIORITIZATION PROCESS, ALSO VERY DATA DRIVEN AND REALLY RELYING ON THE STAKEHOLDER AND PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE TRAIL NETWORKS, THE PRIORITIZED TRAILS THAT YOU SEE IN THE MAPS IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO OVERALL JUST IN THE IN THE STUDY AREA TOP TEN PRIORITIZE CORRIDORS, THE FIRST ONE BEING ALONG THE C-1 CANAL.

SO THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD WITH MELBOURNE TILGHMAN. AND WE'RE PRESENTING TO THEM NEXT WEEK. BUT WE'VE HAD MELBOURNE TILLMAN ON OUR WORKING GROUP.

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AND THEN MORE SPECIFICALLY TO PALM BAY, LET ME GO FORWARD A COUPLE.

SO C1 IS OBVIOUSLY IN PALM BAY, AND THEN A FEW ALSO MADE THE TOP TEN IN TERMS OF BABCOCK STREET AND ALONG US ONE BABCOCK STREET.

THAT ALIGNS WITH THE POTENTIAL FUTURE WIDENING PROJECT FOR THAT SECTION AS WELL.

SO REALLY KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF COUPLING DIFFERENT PROJECTS TOGETHER TO ADVANCE THE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES FOR THE AREA.

SO ON, IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION AND NEXT STEPS NOT TO OVERWHELM PEOPLE WITH THE TABLE THAT YOU SEE HERE, BUT IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO GET THESE THINGS BUILT, AS YOU ALL KNOW.

SO BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT AGENCY PARTNERS THE TPO, FDOT, THE LOCALS, THE DIFFERENT UTILITY COMPANIES FPL, EAL ENVIRONMENTALLY ENVIRONMENTALLY ENDANGERED LANDS PROGRAM.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN PLAY A ROLE.

WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR PARTNERS TO KIND OF PUSH THESE PROJECTS FORWARD, MOVE INTO FEASIBILITY AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING BUILT.

SO REALLY THAT LEADS US TO OUR NEXT STEPS. SO COMING TO YOU ALL COMING TO THE DIFFERENT TOWN AND CITY COUNCILS, MAKING THESE PRESENTATIONS, THAT'S OUR FIRST STEP IN THE COORDINATION EFFORTS.

WE'RE HOPING TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY OR STUDIES ON WHATEVER THOSE KIND OF TOP RECOMMENDED CORRIDORS COME OUT TO BE, AND REALLY PARTNERING WITH THE LOCALS WHO WANT TO PUSH THOSE THOSE TRAIL CORRIDORS FORWARD.

HOPEFULLY YOU ALL LEVERAGING TPO SUPPORT. I KNOW YOU ALL DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT ALREADY.

AND THEN REALLY LOOKING AT SECURING DIVERSE FUNDING OPTIONS TO HOPEFULLY PUSH THESE DIFFERENT THINGS FORWARD ULTIMATELY TRYING TO EXPAND OUR PARTNERSHIPS, MAKE SURE WE'RE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD COLLECTIVELY WITH THE GOALS AND VISION OF THE AREA.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THAT'S ALL FOR MY PRESENTATION, SO I'D LOVE TO GET ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? SURE. COUNCILMAN. LANDESMAN.

YEAH. WELL, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HOPE THAT THE TPO ALSO FOCUSES ON ROADS FOR US IN THE SOUTH, BUT YOU KNOW, BEING IN A MILITARY, I WAS IN THE RESERVES AT ONE POINT, AND I STILL HAVE A LOT FRIENDS THAT ARE IN THE RESERVES IN THE GUARD THAT LIVE LOCALLY, AND WE'D LIKE TO GET TOGETHER AND GO ON RUCKS, AND WE GOT TO DO IT ON THE SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE A LOT COOLER.

SO THERE'S TRAILS AND THEN I'M ASSUMING A PATH IS LIKE, IS THAT LIKE A, A SMALL LIKE A PAVED LIKE A BIKE PATH LIKE PAVED.

YEAH. SO THE, THE KIND OF OFF ROAD TRAILS ARE KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD, THEY'D BE THAT ASPHALT, THE 12 FOOT WIDE, YOU KNOW, MORE OUT IN KIND OF THOSE NATURE AREAS.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY SHARED USE PATHS ALONG LONG ROADWAYS.

SO A GREAT EXAMPLE. THE BABCOCK WIDENING. THEY'RE PROPOSING, I THINK, A 10 OR 12 FOOT TRAIL THAT WOULD BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT WOULD BE OFFSET FROM THE ROADWAY BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMFORTABLE FACILITY THAN THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK THAT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY.

AWESOME. AND THEN WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WOULD YOU NEED CITY RESOURCES TO SUPPORT IT, OR DO YOU JUST KIND OF NEED OUR CONSENT TO BE ABLE TO GO IN, OR OUR SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND DO IT YOURSELVES WITH DIFFERENT FUNDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT? SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A MIX OF BOTH, BUT BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS REALLY SUPPORT FROM THE LOCAL AGENCY WHERE THEY WANT TO PUSH THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS FORWARD.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE LIST WHILE WE HAVE WHILE WE HAVE A RANKING, IF THERE'S ONE OF THESE THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO MOVE NUMBER 14 AND WE WANT TO PUSH THAT ONE FORWARD.

IF Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO EITHER BRING FUNDING, RESOURCES, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, TO THE TABLE, THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE THAT COULD MOVE UP TO THE LIST. SO REALLY WE'RE IN THAT KIND OF FACT FINDING STAGE.

WE'VE DONE THE ANALYSIS, WE'VE DONE THE WORK. WE HAVE THE PRIORITIZED LIST. NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR PARTNERS TO REALLY KIND OF BE ABLE TO PUSH THESE THINGS FORWARD AND TAKE THEM TO THE NEXT STEP. SO ALL RIGHT. AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, SIR.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS RECEIVED AND THE FEEDBACK AND I'M SEEING ESTIMATED, I GUESS, HOW MANY THIS WAS.

SLIDE 13. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS 14 COMMENTS, 70 ATTENDEES, 24 ATTENDEES ESTIMATED.

HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU SAY YOU REACHED OUT TO OR HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE Y'ALL ATTEMPTED TO CONNECT WITH FOR FEEDBACK IN REGARDS TO THIS PLAN? I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE UP HERE, THAT'S WHAT WE DOCUMENTED FOR THE ONLINE MAPPING TOOL.

AND THEN WE HAD OVER 70 ATTENDEES OR 70 ATTENDEES FOR THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE.

SO I WOULD SAY THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE UP HERE. 14 COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR THE ONLINE TOOL, 11 COMMENTS VIA EMAIL OR PHONE CALLS. AND THEN WE HAD 70 FOLKS COME OUT TO THE PUBLIC MEETING.

YEAH. SO YEAH, THOSE ARE JUST WHO OBVIOUSLY SHOWED UP.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

WE DID BOOST SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. SO WE INVESTED, YOU KNOW, FUNDING TO ALL OF THE ALL OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS SENT IT OUT TO ALL OF

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AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF REACHING OUT TO INVITE PEOPLE.

IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO GET MORE THAN WHICH 70.

SHOWING UP IS IS HUGE. SO CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? OH, YEAH. SARAH CRUMB, SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER, SPACE COAST EPA THANK YOU.

CARRY ON. AND I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME WITH THOSE WE WE ADVERTISE OUR BUDGET MEETINGS EVERYWHERE AND WE'LL GET BILL.

SO. SO. BUT NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

MY MAIN THING IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE BREVARD COUNTY, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY ARE CONTRIBUTING JUST AS MUCH TOO.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROADS LIKE MALABAR ROAD OR BABCOCK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING JUST AS MUCH AS WELL BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'S A MIX OF BOTH, BUT IT TAKES ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. WHERE'S MRS.. GEORGIANA.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO, MA'AM. THANK YOU ALL. AND I'LL TELL THE REST OF THE STAFF WE'RE THANKFUL AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU ALL. DEPUTY MAYOR. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE TENTATIVE TIMELINE? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE 30 YEARS. I'LL BE 72.

AND I WON'T BE HERE, I MIGHT BE. YEAH. SO. SO, I MEAN, SO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

SO WE HAVE NO SHOVEL READY PROJECTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

SO THAT'S LIKE I SAID WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT PARTNER OR PARTNERS TO HELP WORK WITH US TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE THAT ONE TRAIL FACILITY THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO PUSH FORWARD. IT WOULD GO INTO THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

SO THAT'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGOR ON KIND OF THE ENGINEERING GETTING INTO SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AS WELL.

REALLY MAKING SURE THAT THAT TRAIL COULD MOVE FORWARD INTO A POTENTIAL DESIGN PHASE.

AND THEN FROM THERE, HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING'S GOOD. WE MOVE INTO DESIGN ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS FOR THAT AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY NO RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS.

BUT THAT ADDS TIME. IF SO. AND THEN ONTO CONSTRUCTION.

SO WHAT IS THE BUDGET YOU THINK FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? WE'RE. YEAH. I WOULD SAY ABOUT TYPICALLY A FEASIBILITY IS 200 TO 300,000.

AND WE DO HAVE WE POTENTIALLY, I SHOULD SAY HAVE SOME MONEY THAT WITHIN OUR UNIFIED PLANNING WORK PROGRAM.

SO OUR STAFF BUDGET OF GETTING THAT FEASIBILITY GOING.

OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO DO SOME COORDINATION EFFORTS.

YOU KNOW, REACHING BACK OUT TO OUR WORKING GROUP AND KIND OF ASKING THEM, WHAT IS THE TRAIL THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE US TO FOCUS ON AND MOVE FORWARD AND FEASIBILITY, AS WELL AS JUST TIMING THE STAFF TIMING? YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE TPO STAFF TO ADMINISTER THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

ONCE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS DONE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER PICTURE.

AND REALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE A MATTER OF THE FUNDING FALLING INTO PLACE.

OKAY. A GENERAL QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR, FOR MAYBE THE PRESIDENT AND STAFF IS LIKE, WOULD THIS FALL UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION AND COULD IMPACT FEES PAY FOR FOR THIS IF IT'S THESE ARE LIKE CONSIDERED LINEAR PARKS FOR INSTANCE.

AND I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT DEALS THAT ARE GOING ON THROUGH THE CITY, AND A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPERS ARE STARTING TO PRESENT THEIR OWN LINEAR PARKS AS WELL THAT I THINK ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR THESE LINEAR PARKS TO BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES OR DEVELOPERS.

YEP. YEP. YEAH. I THINK ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES ARE GOING TO BECOME EVEN MORE CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT AS WE CONTINUE WITH.

I MEAN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE SHORTFALLS WITH MALABAR AND GETTING BABCOCK AND SOME OF THESE OTHER BIG ROAD PROJECTS.

AND SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO LEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL DOLLARS AND REINVEST THOSE BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, I THINK IS IS GREAT BECAUSE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IF A DEVELOPER COULD REALLOCATE THE MONEY FOR THE GENERAL USE OF THE CITY AND DO A LINEAR PARK THROUGH THE CITY INSTEAD OF ON THEIR ON THEIR TRACK OF LAND, THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY AS A WHOLE. AND THAT DEVELOPER COULD ESSENTIALLY GET CREDITS FOR PROVIDING THESE LINEAR PARKS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

SO IT'S SOMETHING SOMETHING TO EXPLORE WITH STAFF.

HAVING A PLAN LIKE THIS, I THINK GIVES YOU, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, OH, I'M SORRY, HAVING A PLAN LIKE THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY TEETH WHEN TALKING TO THE DEVELOPERS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THERE'S DOCUMENTATION THAT IT'S SUPPORTED AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE ADOPTING THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO OUR BIKE FUND MASTER PLAN AT THE TPO BOARD MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK GOES A LONG WAY AND GRANT FUNDING AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS.

THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MADAME MOSCONE? YES, YES. THERE WE GO. LOOKS LIKE NUMBER ONE.

I THINK IT IS. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE GRAPEFRUIT TRAIL? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T HEAR HIM. THE GRAPEFRUIT TRAILS.

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YES. OKAY. ANYTHING THAT ANYTHING THAT COMES FORWARD, I'M GOING TO BE BEHIND BABCOCK.

ANYTIME I SEE THE WORD BABCOCK IN FUNDING, MY EARS PERK UP.

SO I WOULD BE BEHIND, YOU KNOW, BABCOCK BEING NUMBER ONE.

OKAY. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN HAMMER? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MADAM MOSCONI.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, YOUR QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE.

AND YES, ADDING A RECREATIONAL TRAIL AS A NEW AMENITY.

AMENITY. IS PARK'S IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE? CERTAINLY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ALREADY IN TERMS OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN FRED POPPIE REGIONAL PARK.

INCLUDE SOME RECREATION TRAIL ELEMENTS. AND AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND OUR MASTER PLANNING EFFORTS FOR RECREATION, WE'RE HEARING THE MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE WANT OFF ROAD TRAILS, BUT ALSO FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

AND ONE OF THE NEXT PRESENTATIONS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT INCLUDE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND INCLUDING THOSE TRAILS IN THERE IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE CITY WANTS TO PRIORITIZE.

AND LASTLY, YOUR POINT IS VERY GOOD ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO INCLUDE THIS.

I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LISA IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.

SHE DEFINITELY LOOKS FOR TRAILS WHEN HER STAFF IS REVIEWING THEM AND JASON IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WHAT ARE SOME INCENTIVES THAT WE CAN OFFER TO OFFSET PARTICULAR CODE REQUIREMENTS? BUT IN EXCHANGE, THEY COULD PROVIDE A TRAIL OR DONATE RECREATION SPACE.

OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF FEEDBACK FROM US.

YEAH, IT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM PRESENTATIONS NUMBER TWO.

MADAME MOSCONI, MAYOR. MR.. MISS BENTON HAVE A CARD FOR THIS RECORD.

OKAY. NEVER SEEN A SPEAKER CARD ON PRESENTATION BEFORE. OKAY, WELL.

CARRY ON. MASTER CHIEF BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET. SOUTHWEST.

FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS, SARAH. I CONTACTED HER AND HAD SOME.

HAD SOME VERY NICE CONVERSATIONS WITH HER REGARDING THE TRAILS.

THE FIRST ONE I UNDERSTAND WHY I DIDN'T KNOW.

IT DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE MEETINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT ATTENDS MEETINGS LIKE THIS.

WELL, I DON'T ATTEND SOCIAL MEDIA AT ALL. I DON'T HAVE FACEBOOK.

I DON'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS. SO OF COURSE IT WAS NOT POSTED ANYWHERE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS HAPPENING OR WHEN THE MEETING WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE I GET MY SCHEDULING FROM.

FROM THE CITY IS FROM THE CITY'S WEBSITE. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S, I GUESS, THE REALITY OF THE BEAST.

BUT OUT OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM I BROUGHT UP, ONE WAS, WELL, E-BIKES BE ELIGIBLE ON THE WALKING TRAILS, E-BIKES OR BIKING TRAILS. WILL THEY BE E-BIKE AUTHORIZED? THE NEXT ONE WAS I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PRESENTATION AS REGARDING OF HORSEBACK TRAILS WITHIN IT.

I DID SEE WHERE THE HORSE TRAILS ARE IN THE BROWN, A LOT OF HOURS OF HORSE TRAILS AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT.

BUT THEN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE NEW POTENTIAL TRAILS THAT SHOWED OFF ROAD WAS THE CRITERIA TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE OFF ROAD TRAILS.

HORSE. HORSE CAPABLE JUST TO INCREASE ON OUR EQUINE STANDING WITHIN THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE NOTHING. THE LARGEST CITY IN BREVARD COUNTY HAS ZERO EQUINE STANDING, WHICH IS PRETTY BAD, RIGHT? THE OTHER ONE WAS I WAS LOOKING DOWN LIKE AN ASTON PARK GOING INTO THE EALES PROPERTY AND STUFF LIKE THIS OF HOW THEY HAVE THEIR HORSE TRAILS ADJOINING INTO ASTON PARK, WHICH I THINK IS THE IS A VERY SMART MOVE BECAUSE THAT'S GETTING THE DEVELOPERS INVOLVED AND WHAT THEIR PRESENTATION AND TO WORK WITH IT.

BUT I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THEIR TRAIL PROPOSAL.

BUT THEY SAID, BILL, WE'RE LOOKING LIKE THIS FROM 10,000FT UP.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT READING THE SIGNS. RIGHT.

THE LAST ONE WAS COULD THEY POTENTIALLY ON SOME OF THESE TRAILS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR HORSES? IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF SIGN THAT SAYS WHAT ETIQUETTE IS ON TRAILS? BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THAT'S A LIVING CREATURE AND IT HAS ITS OWN MIND AND IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T RESPOND THE SAME WAY A MACHINE DOES OR A PERSON WALKING. IT CAN. IT CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PERSON THAT'S BEING A A-HOLE, OR IT CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RIDER.

IT COULD BE DANGEROUS. SO A LITTLE BIT OF ETIQUETTE POSTING WOULD BE NICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK SARAH FOR RETURNING MY CALLS TO HELP ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL GREAT POINTS.

SARAH. IN PARTICULAR THE EQUINE I KNOW HE LOVES TO HORSEBACK RIDE AND, YOU KNOW, JOINING THAT PROPOSED ASHTON PARK EQUINE TRAIL AS WELL. SO THANK YOU, MASTER CHIEF BATTON. OKAY.

MADAME MOSCONI. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO, AS YOU KNOW, IN EVEN YEARS, OUR LARGEST, THE STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTS IN JANUARY.

SO IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR FOR ANDREW KALIL, OUR LOBBYIST, REPRESENTATIVES FROM SUNRISE CONSULTING, TO GIVE YOU A RECAP OF LAST YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND A SHORT LOOK AHEAD AT 2026.

AND IF COUNCIL WILL PERMIT THE DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME IDEAS THAT WE POTENTIALLY HAVE.

GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON PRIORITIES THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PRESENT, SO THAT WE COULD PREPARE TO COME BACK TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER WITH A LIST OF FIRM LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. SO FROM HERE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANDREW.

CARRY ON. THANK YOU. MA'AM. MAYOR. COUNCIL. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, MEMBERS OF STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MENTIONED ANDREW KALIL AT SUNRISE CONSULTING GROUP.

MANY OF YOU KNOW I WORK WITH SEAN FOSTER. HE CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. HE IS IN CHICAGO AND SENDS HIS BEST TO EVERYBODY.

BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US REPRESENT YOU. WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT REPRESENTING THE CITY. IT IS TRULY A GREAT ORGANIZATION TO REPRESENT AND ONE OF THE MOST PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE REPRESENT. CITY ALWAYS HAS EVERYTHING TOGETHER, AND IT'S AN EASE TO REPRESENT YOU WHEN YOU ASK FOR SOMETHING. AND THE DATA COMES WITH A BOW. SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. WAS AN INTERESTING SESSION.

IT WAS A 105 DAY LONG SESSION ONE OF THE LONGEST IN HISTORY.

AS I GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER A COUPLE OVERARCHING THEMES.

I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THERE WAS SOME TENSION AND CONFLICTING PRIORITIES AND POLICY BETWEEN OUR TWO CHAMBERS, THE HOUSE AND SENATE, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE NEWS, AND A LOT OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN THE NEWS AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DISAGREEMENT ON TAXING AND SPENDING.

NOW, IT'S GREAT WHEN WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE ARGUING ABOUT HOW TO GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY BACK. RIGHT. BUT THAT IS WHAT KIND OF HELD THE SESSION UP AND WHAT MADE IT TAKE TAKE LONGER. ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS YOUR DELEGATION HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL.

WE'VE BEEN DOWN A DELEGATION MEMBER THIS ENTIRE SESSION.

AS YOU GUYS KNOW, REPRESENTATIVE FINE OR SENATOR FINE BECAME CONGRESSMAN FINE.

AND HE WAS THERE FOR A SHORT WHILE, AND HE DID WHAT HE COULD TO HELP THE CITY.

HE PUT IN YOUR PROJECTS. HE TOOK A FEW MEETINGS WITH US, BUT HE WAS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF SESSION.

AND SO WE WERE JUST LEFT WITH YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE, WHO HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL.

HER OPEN DOOR POLICY WITH US ON YOUR BEHALF HAS BEEN GREAT.

SHE, OF ALL THE CITIES WE REPRESENT, SHE PROACTIVELY ASKS ME THROUGHOUT THE WEEK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CITY.

WHAT CAN I DO FOR THEM? AND SHE IS TRULY A FIGHTER FOR YOU GUYS.

AND SHE'S BEEN MADE MY JOB A LOT EASIER. I MEAN, SHE'S BEEN SHE'S BEEN GREAT. SO EACH ONE OF YOU.

I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR DELEGATION. THANK YOUR DELEGATION, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DID FOR THE CITY DURING SESSION.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GO OVER SESSION, GENERALLY TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET A BIT.

TALK ABOUT SOME BILLS. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BILLS REALLY FAST. I'M GOING TO KIND OF SAY WHAT THEY ARE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO DETAILS. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO.

WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT. I USUALLY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT BILLS THAT DIDN'T PASS, BUT I WON'T.

WON'T GET TO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES A BIT.

I'VE SCRATCHED THE OUTLOOK AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT GOING FORWARD AS A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

TALKED ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, LONGEST SESSION WE'VE EVER HAD.

THE LEGISLATURE PASSED 20% FEWER BILLS THIS YEAR THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

BACK TO MY STATEMENT ABOUT DISAGREEMENTS AND PRIORITIES AND PRIORITIES, CONFLICTING POLICY PROPOSALS THERE THERE WASN'T A LOT OF BILLS PRESENTED.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE WASN'T A LOT OF WORK DONE BECAUSE THERE WERE STILL WORKSHOPS DURING THE COMMITTEE PROCESS. RIGHT? IF WE LOOK BACK AT SCHOOLHOUSE ROCKS, YOUR FIRST BILL HEARING IS THE COMMITTEE PROCESS. AND SO THERE WERE SOME PRESENTATIONS, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY START HEARING BILLS IN COMMITTEE AND MOVING THEM TO THE NEXT STEP UNTIL REALLY LATER THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS, WHICH LED TO 20% FEWER BILLS BEING PASSED, WHICH LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IS SAFE WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT PASSING BILLS.

SO THAT'S OKAY. SOME THINGS THAT THEY DID TAKE ON TAX REFORM.

AND I KNOW MY AUDIENCE, AS I SAY, THIS FLUORIDE REGULATIONS THE FREE KILL ACT BARRING PARENTS FROM BEING ABLE TO SUE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS WHEN A LOVED ONE IS LOST WHEN THEIR CHILD IS LOST IF THEIR CHILD IS UNMARRIED. SIGNIFICANT HEMP LEGISLATION DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH, BUT VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH HOW THEY TOOK THAT ON SOME BALLOT INITIATIVES.

AND THEN JUST I FOUND THIS INTERESTING. THEY ENHANCED THE CHARGE FOR USING A TRACKING DEVICE WHEN COMMITTING A CRIME.

EVERYBODY'S USING APPLE AIRTAGS TO STALK EACH OTHER.

SO THE STATE BUDGET, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT CONTENTION FOR REFERENCE, THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR IS A NOT THIS YEAR IN JUNE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH ENDED IN JUNE. WE'RE NOW IN A NEW FISCAL YEAR. IT WAS 117 BILLION.

THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS IS EACH CHAMBER PROPOSES WHAT THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET IS.

BUT THEN THE GOVERNOR COMES OUT WITH HIS PROPOSED GOVERNOR'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET. SO THE SENATE CAME UP WITH 117.3 BILLION.

THEN THE GOVERNOR CAME UP WITH 115.6. HE ALWAYS COMES IN LOWER THAN THE SENATE.

THEN THE HOUSE CAME UP WITH 112.9 BILLION AFTER THE GOVERNOR CAME OUT WITH HIS.

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BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BACK TO THE CONFLICTING PRIORITIES WE TALKED ABOUT THERE, THEY'RE CONFLICTING ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND. YOU'VE GOT THE SENATE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ROUGHLY WHAT WE'VE SPENT. YOU'VE GOT THE GOVERNOR SAYING, NO, WE'RE GOING TO CUT IT, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE HOUSE WHO KIND OF WANTED TO WHAT APPEARED TO TAKE THE LEAD ON SPENDING COME IN WITH AN EVEN LOWER BUDGET, WHICH LED TO SOME OF THE CONFLICT DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT HAPPENED HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY FOR YOUR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. OBVIOUSLY, THE LAST ONE WE'RE AWARE OF, THE BREVARD SHERIFF RECEIVED $10 MILLION FOR TRAINING CENTER.

BUT THAT WAS IN THE NEWS. IT'S VERY PUBLIC. TWO OTHER THINGS THAT WERE INTERESTING WAS A NONPROFIT RECEIVED SOME MONEY FOR HOUSING HOMELESS VETERANS, SOMETHING I WOULD ASSUME IS IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL AND THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RECEIVED $1 MILLION FOR SOME KIND OF CTE AVIATION TRAINING FACILITY.

SO MONEY, YOU KNOW, STATE TAX DOLLARS THAT FLOW UP TO THE STATE BEING SPENT BACK IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WHEN WE REFLECT BACK ON THE WORK OF YOUR DELEGATION, MEMBERS, RECEIVED $1 MILLION FOR SOME WATER QUALITY PROJECTS WITHIN TURKEY CREEK.

THE CITY, ALSO FROM THE LEGISLATURE, RECEIVED $500,000 FOR A FIBER OPTIC NERVE FIBER OPTIC PROJECT, AND $80,000 FOR SOMETHING AT THE COMMUNICATIONS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S COMMUNICATION CENTER.

HOWEVER, BOTH OF THOSE WERE VETOED, BUT STILL FROM THE HARD WORK OF OF MYSELF AND SHAWN AND YOUR DELEGATION.

YOU KNOW, TO GET THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET IS NOT NECESSARILY THE EASIEST THING.

AND I ALSO WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS 80,000. I FORGOT TO MENTION REPRESENTATIVE BRACKETT, WHO DOESN'T REPRESENT A LARGE PORTION OF PALM BAY, BUT ALWAYS WITH OPEN ARMS, SAYS, WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP YOU GUYS? SO PLEASE THANK REPRESENTATIVE BRACKETT AS WELL.

SO GETTING BACK TO THE SPENDING AND THE TAXATION, RIGHT, WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND UNLESS WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAX. AND SO DID DO A TAX PACKAGE EVERY YEAR.

REAL QUICK. THEY REPEALED THE BUSINESS RENT TAX.

THEY MADE NASCAR CHAMPIONSHIP TICKETS TAX FREE, A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GO BACK TO IT. SENATE BILL ONE EIGHT 1080.

THIS BILL IS VERY INTERESTING. THIS BILL ACTUALLY DIED ON THE SENATE FLOOR WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN A BILL DIE ON A CHAMBER FLOOR.

REALLY? IN MY TIME, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ONE DYING ON THE CHAMBER FLOOR IN QUITE A WHILE.

IT HAS TO DO WITH DEVELOPMENT. 683 HAS TO DO WITH SYNTHETIC TURF, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY DO HERE IN PALM BAY.

PREEMPTING THAT. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS.

CHANGE ORDERS, PAYING THOSE PROMPTLY. HOUSE BILL 551 HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY CREATING A PROCESS FOR FIRE SPRINKLER AND FIRE ALARM PERMITTING, EXPEDITING THAT PROCESS IF IT'S LESS THAN 20 DEVICES.

381 IS A BILL THAT HELPS DEVELOPERS PRE-SELL THEIR HOMES FASTER AND WILL REQUIRE A CERTAIN PLATTING TO BE DONE AND ISSUING PARTIAL ID NUMBERS IN A QUICKER PROCESS.

818 VERY INTERESTING BILL. WHAT THIS BILL WOULD HAVE DONE WAS IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ACTUALLY TAKE ON THE COST OF ANY KIND OF UTILITY, NOT ELECTRIC OR NOT ELECTRIC AND NOT WATER, BECAUSE OF COURSE, WATER IS YOURS.

BUT ANY KIND OF INTERNET, TELEPHONE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR OWN PROJECT, WHETHER YOU'RE PUTTING IN A ROAD, WIDENING A ROAD, AND YOU ASK THE UTILITY TO MOVE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CITY WAS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, ALL OF IT.

AND THAT WAS A HUGE, HUGE COST. WHERE THAT BILL LANDED.

IS IS VASTLY DIFFERENT. THE CITY DID TAKE A SMALL HIT IN THAT PROCESS, BUT VERY DIFFERENT THAN HOW THAT BILL STARTED, AND I'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. A BIG, VERY IMPORTANT BILL THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THROUGH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, THROUGH VARIOUS NEWS OUTLETS, IS SENATE BILL 180.

THIS IS AN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS BILL. AND IN THIS BILL IS A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH PREPARING THE STATE FOR RESPONDING FOR STORMS. BUT THIS BILL IS ALSO LARGELY A LAND DEVELOPMENT BILL.

AND THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THIS BILL THAT SAY THE CITY CANNOT ENACT A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING, AND IT CANNOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ITS LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES, CODE POLICIES OR PROCEDURES THAT ARE MORE BURDENSOME THAN THE STATUS QUO.

FOR ONE YEAR, FOLLOWING A NAME STORM PASSING THROUGH WITHIN 100 MILES OF THE CITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO BE MAKING SOME CHANGES, POTENTIALLY TO AT LEAST THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE HEARD, BUT A VERY IMPACTFUL BILL.

TWO OTHER BILLS, OF COURSE, ARE LIVE LOCAL, WHICH I DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT HERE AT THIS PODIUM.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT DURING SESSION, I THINK, WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BILL THAT PASSED THAT WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO USE ITS REVENUE FROM ITS SEWER SYSTEM TO EXPAND ITS SEWER SYSTEM.

SO UN RESTRICTS THAT REVENUE TO USE THAT REVENUE TO REINVEST, TO EXPAND THE SEWER SYSTEM.

THE PROPERTY TAX CONVERSATION. SO YOU HAD THE GOVERNOR COME OUT AND SAY THAT WE SHOULD REMOVE PROPERTY TAXES.

THE TOURISTS SHOULD BE PAYING TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS WITH REALLY NO PROPOSED PLAN.

AND THAT'S OFTEN HAPPENS. GOVERNOR SAYS, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS LEGISLATURE BRING ME THAT TYPE OF BILL.

THE LEGISLATURE. LEGISLATURE THE SENATE INITIALLY DIDN'T REALLY REACT MUCH TO THAT.

THE HOUSE FORMED A SELECT COMMITTEE. AND THEN THAT FORMATION OF THAT SELECT COMMITTEE, THE HOUSE SPEAKER CAME UP WITH A COUPLE IDEAS THAT HE KICKED OVER TO THAT SELECT COMMITTEE. THAT COMMITTEE HAS HAD TWO HEARINGS.

THE FIRST HEARING, THEY ACTUALLY CONSIDERED THOSE PROPOSALS THAT THE HOUSE SPEAKER CAME UP AND THE LEGISLATORS COMMENTED ON THAT.

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MOST OF THEM HAVEN'T SERVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO THEY THE ECONOMISTS, KIND OF EXPLAINED THAT PROCESS AND TOLD THEM TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY TAX PROCESS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

ONE OTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE TAX PACKAGE THAT RELATES TO THIS IS A STUDY BY THE STATE ECONOMIST ON THE REDUCTION AND REMOVAL OF PROPERTY TAXES.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THAT THE STATE ECONOMIST SHOULD DO THAT STUDY, GAVE THEM $1 MILLION TO DO THAT STUDY, AND THEN THE GOVERNOR SUBSEQUENTLY VETOED THAT MILLION DOLLARS. HOWEVER, THE POLICY IS STILL THERE THAT THEY SHOULD WORK AND COMPLETE THAT STUDY. LOOKING AHEAD, AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, THE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS GO BACK AND FORTH ONE YEAR TO JANUARY, FEBRUARY THE NEXT YEAR IT'S MARCH, APRIL. SO THIS UPCOMING YEAR, WE'RE GOING INTO A JANUARY FEBRUARY SESSION COMING OUT OF WHAT WAS THE LONGEST SESSION, QUITE POSSIBLY EVER. SO I FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND TO RELAX.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES.

COMING UP FOR THE 2026 SESSION. AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MENTIONED BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE SOME OF ITS PRIORITIES TOGETHER.

NOT TOWARDS THE END OF SEPTEMBER, NOT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

AND IN TALKING WITH YOUR DELEGATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME.

1ST MAY OR MAY HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS. FINAL PIECE OF THAT IS THE DELEGATION MEETING COMING UP.

I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER 30TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I HAD THE DATE WRITTEN DOWN UP IN VIERA. HISTORICALLY, CITY MANAGER HAS PRESENTED.

BUT I THINK ONE OF THE COUNCIL SHOULD PRESENT, IF I MAY, FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES.

FOR THAT BUT THAT IS IT FOR ME. AND THEN I'LL TURN OVER TO YOU TO DISCUSS APPROPRIATIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANDREW, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON OUR BEHALF.

AND GIVE OUR BEST TO SEAN. HOPE HE'S ENJOYING CHICAGO, ALTHOUGH I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN.

HE IS THERE FOR WORK. YEAH. SO. COPY THAT. SIR.

MADAM MOSCONI. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO, TO GET AHEAD OF DEVELOPING A STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY LIST FOR YOU ALL. I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY IS BROUGHT YOU A LIST AND THEN GOT YOUR OPINION WITH THE LIST AND MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE LIST.

SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS INSTEAD HAVE A LITTLE FEEDBACK THIS EVENING.

SO OUR OFFICE ASKED STAFF TO PREPARE SOME VERY PRELIMINARY DRAFT POTENTIAL LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS.

AND ANDREW AND I HAVE DISCUSSED ALL OF THESE TO SEE WHICH ONES WOULD BE POSSIBLY THE MOST FEASIBLE.

AND I WANTED TO JUST RUN THROUGH THE LIST WITH YOU ALL, TAKE YOUR YOUR FEEDBACK ON ANY OF THEM AND ADD TO IT ANY THAT ARE A PRIORITY FOR YOU AS A GOVERNING BODY. CARRY ON. THANK YOU. SO FIRST I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS VERY, VERY TIMELY. WE HAD A A WONDERFUL MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVE MILLER AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FWC. JUST YESTERDAY. WAS THAT YESTERDAY? YES.

AND OF COURSE, CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF OUT AT THE RANGE AND OF COURSE YESTERDAY MORNING OR WE HAD SORRY WEDNESDAY MORNING WE HAD THE PLAQUE CEREMONY FOR SERGEANT FRANK TOBER. SO WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING IS PHASE TWO OF THE POLICE RANGE UPGRADES.

WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE PHASE ONE FUNDED VIA APPROPRIATIONS LAST YEAR.

AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ANOTHER $1.5 MILLION TO CREATE THE SERGEANT FRANK TOBER REGIONAL TACTICAL TRAINING BUILDING.

ANDREW AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS. WE THINK IT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF POSITIVE SUPPORT.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE IS THAT REPRESENTATIVE MILLER IS ASKING FOR A 50% MATCH ON APPROPRIATIONS THIS YEAR.

SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS PUT TOGETHER A REQUEST FOR FIRST WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD AN APPARATUS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF SOME OF OUR CAPITAL NEEDS.

AND THE OTHER ITEM IS FOR FIRE STATION EIGHT.

THIS IS THE STATION THAT WE'RE PLANNING AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND MALABAR ROAD.

THIS WOULD BE FOR THE SITE WORK. NOW, YOU ALL HAVE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE DESIGNER TO START THE DESIGN OF THE SITE WORK.

THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SITE.

WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT AT $2.8 MILLION. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC WORKS.

QUITE A FEW ITEMS THERE. ONE OF WHICH IS THE EXPANSION OF THE IT'S PROGRAM.

AS YOU KNOW, THE TPO WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING SEVERAL ITS PROJECTS ALREADY TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND WE ALSO RECEIVED A ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT TO FURTHER EXPAND THAT PROGRAM.

THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD PHASE OF EXPANDING THE IT'S AND THAT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.

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THE IT'S STANDING FOR INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM.

I YES CARRY ON. ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE BABCOCK.

WE HEARD COUNCILMAN HAMMER TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF BABCOCK, AND WE CERTAINLY AGREE.

IT ALSO CAME UP IN THE BREVARD TRAILS PLAN. THE CHALLENGE THAT BABCOCK THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH IS THERE IS AN EXISTING PDA STUDY.

AND THE STUDY IS NOT COMPLETE BECAUSE THE FUNDING, THE THE FISCAL OBLIGATION OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO WIDEN IN BABCOCK WAS SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT THE STUDY WAS NEVER ACTUALLY FINALIZED.

SO WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD BY THE MOST RECENT FDOT REP THAT WE SPOKE TO IS THAT WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER STUDY.

AND WHAT WE'RE TARGETING IS LIKE A PHASE SECTION.

STAFF'S PROPOSING FOR MALABAR TO CONVERT STREET AS THE FIRST SECTION TO PROPOSE WIDENING, BUT WE WANT MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PRESENT A STUDY TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. WE WANT TO SAY, HEY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE DONE A STUDY, AND THIS IS WHERE THE STUDY LANDED, AND WE'RE READY TO BEGIN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO STILL SOME WORK TO DO ON THAT ONE. ANOTHER PROJECT IS LOOKING AT THE WIDENING OF EMERSON AND ALSO THE WIDENING OF SAN FILIPPO.

CHALLENGES WITH THESE PROJECTS ARE, AGAIN FOR CERTAIN FUNDING TYPES, YOU DO NEED TO DO A PDA STUDY FIRST.

SO BOTH OF THOSE WOULD BE PDA STUDIES. YOU KNOW, ANDREW AND I HAVE SPOKEN STUDIES ARE NOT NOT OFTEN FUNDED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND THEN ANOTHER PROJECT WOULD BE MALABAR ROAD AND EMERSON DRIVE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PROJECT THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER.

AND THEN LASTLY, I WANTED TO MENTION UTILITIES.

SO UTILITIES WE ARE LOOKING AT, WITH COUNCIL'S PERMISSION, THE NEXT PHASE OF THE SEPTIC TO SEWER FUNDING TRANCHE TO FURTHER EXPAND THAT PROGRAM, THE MATCH BEING OUR WAIVER OF IMPACT FEES.

WE'RE ALSO CONSIDERING WHETHER WE COULD LOOK AT UPGRADING OUR SCADA SOFTWARE AND EQUIPMENT IN COMBINATION WITH THE IT DEPARTMENT AS A CYBERSECURITY INITIATIVE, ALTHOUGH THE TRANCHE WOULD BE ACTUALLY A WATER PROJECT.

SO THOSE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT STAFF HAS GENERATED, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR COUNCIL'S IDEAS FOR PRIORITIES WITH THE INTENT OF BRINGING YOU AN ACTIONABLE LIST IN SEPTEMBER. SO I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AS WELL.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FOR THE RANGE IMPROVEMENT THIS LAST SESSION.

WE RECEIVED THAT TWO SESSIONS AGO, RIGHT? CORRECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO AND WE RECEIVED WHAT WAS AT 1.4 MILLION FOR THAT.

1.1.2, 1.2. OKAY. SO IN THAT REGARD, THE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE REPRESENTATIVE MILLER IS LOOKING FOR 50% MATCH.

WHAT WHAT ARE WE ESTIMATING THAT REGARDING THE PD PROJECT.

SO THIS NEXT PHASE WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION CURRENTLY WHERE WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

AND THIS IS THIS IS WHAT I REQUESTED STAFF TO DO.

SO THEY DID THE RIGHT THING. THEY'RE PROPOSING A $300,000 MATCH.

ANDREW AND I DID TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF APPROACHING OUR DELEGATES IF WE DO NOT, IN FACT, HAVE A 50% MATCH. DO ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE SOME, SOME CAPITAL FUNDING FOR FOR FUTURE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEXES AND IN BUILDINGS.

THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT PD IMPACT FEES.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY. I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU FULLY RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO. THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL.

IF IF SHE'S ASKING FOR A 50% MATCH AND WE'RE GOING TO COME AND SAY, WELL, WE ONLY HAVE 300,000 ON A 1.5, RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN AREA OF CONCERN. THE FIRE STATION LOOKS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED WITH FIRE STATIONS BEFORE, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. AND AND IT WAS IT WAS SHOT DOWN.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL IN IS OUR WATER QUALITY PROJECTS.

SO IF WE COULD FOCUS ON WHAT THESE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS I DON'T MIND PUTTING IN FOR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT WATER QUALITY PROJECTS IS, I THINK, CRUCIAL.

AND I THINK THE TIMING IS RIGHT. SEPTIC TO SEWER.

HOWEVER WE FOCUS ON THAT. KEEPING IN MIND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE 50% MATCH.

I'LL BE GETTING TO YOU, SIR. BUT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THE.

WAS IT A FIRE TRUCK AS WELL? OR WAS IT JUST A FIRE STATION?

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PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW WELL WE'LL DO, BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS.

WHETHER IT'S THE RANGE. I THINK WE DIDN'T GET THE RANGE ANYTHING WITH THE RANGE THAT WE SUBMITTED THIS LAST SESSION.

BECAUSE THE SHERIFF WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING HIS REGIONAL RANGE.

RIGHT. SO I'M HOPING THAT SINCE HE'S ALREADY GOTTEN TO HIS 10 MILLION, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING THIS, THIS GO ROUND. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS, GENTLEMEN.

I THINK WATER QUALITY. PUBLIC SAFETY. AND DEFINITELY IT'S THE INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN HARPING ON FOR FIVE YEARS.

AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON KNOWS. SO THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS.

AND I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. AND THEN AFTER COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, I WANT TO GET COUNCILMAN HAMMER'S TAKE ON THIS.

AND THEN I'LL GO ON TO YOU AND DEPUTY MAYOR. SO, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I DON'T WANT TO DO A SINGLE WATER QUALITY APPROPRIATION THIS YEAR.

AND HERE'S THE REASON WHY. BESIDES THE FACT THAT WE JUST GOT $1 MILLION FOR WATER QUALITY APPROPRIATIONS.

I DO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYOR. THE GOVERNOR LOVES THE WATER QUALITY APPROPRIATIONS FROM PALM BAY.

I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS GREAT. HE'S MY FAVORITE GOVERNOR.

BUT THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO COME TO THE MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL ONCE A YEAR AND DO A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SHOW THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HE HELPED.

WATER QUALITY. THAT'S GREAT. BUT I WAS ELECTED TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY AND PALM BAY IS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE RIVER.

THE MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL JUST SAID THE RIVER IS DOING GREAT. TURKEY CREEK'S LOOKING GOOD.

WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE REVIEWS. AND AGAIN, WE JUST GOT $1 MILLION IN WATER QUALITY.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IF WE PUT ONE WATER QUALITY PROJECT IN, IT'S GOING TO PASS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO GET VETOED. AND THE ONE WATER QUALITY PROJECT IS GOING TO PASS.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE FOCUS ONLY ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND MAYBE ROADS, AND FORCE THEM TO PICK A PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE.

AND IF HE WANTS TO VETO EVERY SINGLE ONE, THAT'S HIS PREROGATIVE.

BUT THE THE POLICIES OF THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW ARE VERY POSITIVE.

I LOVE THE POLICIES THROUGH COVID, BUT THAT HAS DRIVEN THE GROWTH THAT WE SEE IN PALM BAY.

THE STATE HAS DRIVEN THE GROWTH THAT WE SEE IN PALM BAY, AND WE'RE BEHIND ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND ROADS BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS. AND I AGREE WITH THE THE WITH HIS POLICIES.

BUT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. IT'S DRIVEN THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN.

AND THEY CONTINUE TO BRAG IN THE STATE THAT THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE BEST RESERVES, THEY'VE PAID OFF ALL THIS DEBT WHILE WE PAY TAXES HERE TO THE STATE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME OF THE BACK, AND WE'RE ASKING THEM TO HELP US WITH OUR GROWTH.

QUITE FRANKLY, THE RIVER'S GOING IN A GREAT DIRECTION. WE JUST GOT $1 MILLION.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES AND ALL OF OUR RESOURCES ON CATCHING UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY TO MATCH THIS GROWTH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HAMMER. I ALWAYS LIKE THE WORD BABCOCK BEING USED.

I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN THE EMERSON AND MALABAR ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME UP FOR THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO OTHER THINGS, BUT I AM GOING TO BE 100% TOWARDS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE NEED ROADS. ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH ROADS, ESPECIALLY BABCOCK.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FDOT INVOLVED WITH THE BRIDGE.

WE HAVE TPO FOR THIS FOR THIS AGREEMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE ON GETTING FUNDING FOR BABCOCK THERE.

I REALLY DO THINK WE SHOULD BE PUSHING TOWARDS ROAD CAPACITY.

I THINK ROAD CAPACITY IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS, AND WE NEED TO BE SHOWING THAT IN FULL FORCE.

OKAY. THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADDRESS IS MAYBE, MAYBE LIFT STATIONS, SOME KIND OF FUNDING FOR OUR OUR LIFT STATIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, I'M TORN.

BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY KEEPS THE TOURISM IN THE.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A MULTIFACETED WAY IN REGARDS TO JUST PROTECTING THE ECOSYSTEM.

WHAT WE HAVE TURKEY CREEK, THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, BUT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY THAT GENERATES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH, BILLION DOLLARS.

BUT ALL TO THE SAME POINT, WE AS THE CITY GOT TO DO OUR PART IN MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING SPILLAGES, WHICH I'M GRATEFUL FOR. MR. MORTON ACTING SO QUICKLY ON GETTING IT CLEANED UP.

SO I'M TORN BECAUSE I WANT TO GO FORTH WITH WHAT WE KNOW HAS THE HIGHEST LIKELIHOOD OF BEING PASSED.

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SO THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN IN FRONT OF THE PRESS CONFERENCES ON.

SO I KNOW THAT HAS A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF BEING PASSED, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO JUST ALSO ASSUME THAT HE'S GOING TO NOT PASS PUBLIC SAFETY THIS YEAR EITHER. SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO FORTH WITH BOTH.

WHO KNOWS WHAT MAY HAPPEN OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST YOU KNOW WHAT? I SAY IT ALL THE TIME. YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT YOU ALLOW. SO IF WE JUST HOLD BACK AND WE DON'T ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU MISS 100% OF THE SHOTS YOU DON'T TAKE. SO LET'S JUST TAKE THOSE SHOTS.

SEE WHERE WE CAN GO FROM THERE. I'M ALSO GOING TO PUT MY NECK OUT ON THE LIMB.

AND THIS IS ME PERSONALLY, AS A COUNCILMAN REPRESENTING THE CITY.

BUT OUR HIGH SCHOOLS ARE SO LOST. I VOLUNTEER AT A LOT OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS.

OUR CHILDREN ARE SO LOST. AND WHILE, LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING OUT ON A LIMB.

ALREADY TALKED TO A PASTOR ABOUT IT, BUT WHILE IT IS ALLOWED IN HIGH SCHOOLS, I DO THINK THE STUDY OF THE BIBLE FROM A SECULAR STANDPOINT, SO IT'S NOT SUED AS AN ELECTIVE SHOULD BE A MANDATORY STUDY.

IT'S BEEN ATTEMPTED ABOUT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO, BUT I JUST SEE HOW LOST THESE KIDS ARE.

THEY'RE SO CAUGHT UP IN THEIR PHONES AND TECHNOLOGY, AND PARENTS ARE SO LIKE, I WAS JUST TOLD BY OFFICER ON TUESDAY THAT A PARENT BROUGHT THEIR CHILD TO THE CITY HALL SO THE OFFICER CAN REPRIMAND THEM AND DISCIPLINE THEM.

AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH OUR SOCIETY. THIS IS THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON BIBLICAL FOUNDATIONS.

WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO DISAGREE OR NOT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

SO TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO CASE FOR LAWSUITS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

IT NEEDS TO BE IN A SECULAR HISTORICAL STANDPOINT IN REGARDS TO BIBLICAL STUDIES.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I FEEL. MAYOR, THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.

WELL, TO THAT POINT, I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN. IF IF THEY STUDY AMERICAN HISTORY FROM THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, THEY WILL FIND HOW MANY CLERGY HOW MANY BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES ARE PART OF OUR HISTORY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S IN A SECULAR REALM, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

SO DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING OUR.

YEAH, I THINK I'M GOOD. YEAH. THAT'S IT, SIR.

YOU KNOW, DEPUTY MAYOR, I KNOW THAT YOU SIT ON THE TPO, AND I KNOW MY CAMERA SITS ON THE TPO, ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN ANGEVIN. MY CONCERN IS TRYING TO GET APPROPRIATIONS FOR PD AND E STUDIES.

THAT THAT IS A CONCERN. NOW, IF THERE'S ALREADY A PDA STUDY PUTTING IN FOR THOSE THOSE TYPE OF APPROPRIATIONS I'M GOOD WITH, BUT CARRY ON. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRY FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR PD IN THESE STUDIES, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IF A PD, ANY STUDY WAS DONE, HOW LONG DO THEY LAST? SOMEONE LET ME. YES. FIVE YEARS. I'M GETTING AN INDICATION OF FIVE YEARS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

OKAY, SO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE SETTING MONEY ASIDE IN THE BUDGET TO GO AHEAD AND START PERFORMING THESE PD SO WE CAN BE READY FOR THE NEXT APPROPRIATIONS TO TO ASK FOR THESE PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE A TWIST ON THE WATER QUALITY PLAY WOULD BE A.

MUCK. YOU KNOW, A MUCK. I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A CAPITAL, YOU KNOW REQUEST FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO TO PURCHASE THE MUCK.

THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, 5 OR $600,000. YOU KNOW, THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF OUR CANALS WHICH IN ESSENCE, IS A WATER QUALITY PROJECT. SO THAT POTENTIALLY IS A PLAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TO CHANDLER POINT, I DO AGREE THE POLICIES OF OUR STATE GOVERNMENT IS IS WHY WE ARE IN THE POSITION WE ARE IN TODAY WITH OVERGROWTH AND LACK OF ROADS AND LACK OF FIRE STATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK AN EASY GRAB WOULD BE THE INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM.

I THINK THE BABCOCK AND EMERSON AND MALABAR CORRIDOR WOULD BE NICE.

IN THE, IN THE POLICE THE POLICE RANGE PROJECT.

AND THEN I THINK ANYTIME YOU'RE ASKING FOR NEGOTIATIONS OR ASKING FOR THINGS.

YOU ASK FOR A LONGER LIST, KNOWING THAT SOME ITEMS ARE GOING TO GET STRICKEN AWAY.

AND YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE FIRE STATION PROJECT AND THE APPARATUS PROJECT SHOULD BE THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT WE ASKED FOR IN THE HOPES THAT THEY VETO THOSE AND GRANT US FAVOR IN OTHER AREAS. YOU KNOW, IF WE ONLY COME WITH 2 OR 3 PROJECTS IN THE VETO TWO, WE GET ONE. SO LET'S ASK FOR SIX. VETO THREE.

YOU END UP WITH THREE. RIGHT. JUST JUST MY RECOMMENDATION LED TO HERE THE LOBBYISTS POINT OF VIEW ON THAT.

BUT THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I CONCUR.

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I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE ON THE WATER QUALITY BECAUSE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO GET STAFF'S INPUT ON THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY FEEL IS NECESSARY.

BUT ANYTHING IN THAT RESPECT, IT IS A WATER QUALITY.

PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT, THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING WOULD WHAT PUBLIC WORKS COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH. I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK. PUBLIC WORKS TO EITHER KEVIN OR CHRISTINE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ON A, A MUCK BEING A WATER QUALITY TYPE EQUIPMENT. AND FOR ANDREW, FOR YOUR BENEFIT, THAT'S A HEAVY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS USED FOR CANAL DREDGING AND CLEANUP. AND I'LL LET KEVIN TALK MORE ABOUT IT. AND TO ME, IT'S A IT PROVIDES A REGIONAL IMPACT, REALLY, BECAUSE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DUMP INTO OUR CANALS THAT EVENTUALLY FLOW OUT TO THE SAINT JOHN'S.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KEVIN BRINKLEY, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IRONICALLY, THAT CAME UP WITH OUR GRANTS COORDINATOR THIS THIS AFTERNOON.

AND THEN AGAIN, AS WE WERE SPEAKING WITH ANDREW. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED AND WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR OR DO THE GRANTS COVER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT USED FOR BASICALLY CLEANING AND CLEARING OF VEGETATION.

SO IT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION. WE'RE INVESTIGATING IT AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO REPORT BACK AS WE FIND.

IS THAT. MA'AM? ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. BRINKLEY. THAT THAT DOES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. CARLYLE TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS TWO THINGS.

ONE. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WOULD THAT COST? DO WE DO WE HAVE A COST ON THAT $650,000? THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. PLUS. PLUS AN OPERATOR? YEAH. TWO. REALLY? IT'S TWO EMPLOYEES THAT TAKE TO RUN IT.

CORRECT. IS IT ONE OPERATOR YOU'D WANT TO TRAIN? TWO FOR REDUNDANCY. SO. YES. IF YOU COULD ADDRESS HOW MANY ITEMS YOU RECOMMEND, IF THERE'S A MAGIC NUMBER, IF THERE'S TOO MUCH, TOO MANY. AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

IS THERE A CONCERN AT ALL ABOUT PUTTING IN AN APPROPRIATION FOR SOMETHING THAT THERE IS A STATE GRANT READILY AVAILABLE.

SO I'LL, I'LL START WITH THAT PART FIRST AND GO BACK TO THE NEW WORD I JUST LEARNED A SCHMUCK.

IF I SAID THAT CORRECTLY. I'M SURE I MISSED. I'M SURE I MUCKED IT UP.

SO THERE IS NO MAGIC NUMBER. AND I MAY HAVE SAID THIS TO YOU EARLIER.

I'VE REPRESENTED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHERE THEIR DELEGATION IS BECOMING THE SENATE PRESIDENT OR BECOMING THE HOUSE SPEAKER, AND SO OR THE APPROPRIATIONS CHAIRMAN. AND I'VE ALSO WITNESSED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO HAVE SOME TYPE OF REAL POWER BEHIND THEIR DELEGATION MEMBERS ALSO NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE OUTCOME. THERE IS NO FORMULA.

I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. IT'S ALSO LIKE, WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR GOAL? IF COUNCIL TELLS ME, ANDREW, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME REINVESTMENT FROM TALLAHASSEE IN OUR CITY.

IT IS HARD BECAUSE THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS HISTORICALLY GRANTED WATER QUALITY PROJECTS.

AND TO COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN POINT, THE GOVERNOR HAS APPROVED THOSE PROJECTS.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CALCULATION SOMEWHERE, DEPENDING ON WHO YOUR LEGISLATOR IS WITHIN THE THE BOWELS OF STAFF IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE. OF HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE PUMPING INTO ONE LOCALITY? SO IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A LOT OF WATER PROJECTS AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE LIKE THESE, BUT ALSO INSERT PARENTHESES TO THE WATER PROJECTS, WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND THERE ARE GRANTS FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WATER PROJECTS THAT I DO BELIEVE THE CITY DOES TAKE THE TIME TO APPLY FOR.

AND I THINK THAT'S RECOGNIZED BY THE STAFF AND DECISION MAKERS.

AND IT'S KIND OF IT'S KIND OF A CRUD SHOOT, BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE WHERE THERE'S GRANTS. WE'VE APPLIED YOU YOU PUT IN.

AND WHEN COUNCILMAN HAMMER MENTIONED THE LIFT STATIONS, THOSE CAN BE FUNDED OUT OF HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAMS, WHICH, AS WE WELL KNOW, IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET DONE.

AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF LIFT STATIONS VETOED BECAUSE THERE'S A GRANT FOR THAT AND I'VE SEEN SOME APPROVED.

SO IT'S HARD TO IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THAT. BUT TO THE MAC.

I EXPLORED THIS WITH A ALGAE HARVESTER. WOULD THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT POTENTIALLY BE UTILIZED BETWEEN MORE THAN ONE LOCALITY? LIKE, COULD THE COUNTY USE IT? COULD THE WATER CONTROL DISTRICT USE IT? COULD WEST MELBOURNE USE IT? AND IF SO, IF THAT'S TRUE. WHAT I RECOMMEND ON THAT PROJECT IS LET'S LOOK WITH OUR PARTNERS AND SEE. BECAUSE LIKE IF WE LOOK AT THE USABLE HOURS OF THAT MACHINE, PALM BAY IS NOT GOING TO USE 100% OF THAT MACHINE'S LIKE CAPACITY.

RIGHT. SO OTHER LOCALITIES CAN USE THAT MACHINE, 15%, 20% IN PALM BAY IS GOING TO EAT UP 55% OF IT.

THEN I THINK WE DO A JOINT REQUEST. ONE ENTITY HAS TO BE THE ONE TO SUBMIT IT.

RIGHT? MAYBE THAT'S PALM BAY. MAYBE THAT'S THE COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM. AND WE DO A LOCAL MATCH THAT IS SHARED EQUALLY OR SHARED PROPORTIONATELY AMONG THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD USE IT.

SO IF WEST MELBOURNE WOULD USE IT 10% OF THE TIME, THE MACHINES 650 ARE MATCHED FOR THAT IS 325.

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AND I DID THIS ONCE WITH A HARVESTER AND IT WAS WELL RECEIVED BY THEIR DELEGATION.

WE ULTIMATELY DID NOT FILE IT BECAUSE THE COUNTY ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND BOUGHT ONE AND STARTED REMOVING THE ALGAE JUST ON THEIR OWN.

SO WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T NEED THIS ANYMORE. BUT I DID EXPLORE THAT ONE. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. IT'S WELL RECEIVED. I THINK THE FINAL PIECE THAT I'LL SAY IS WE HAVE ALL THESE IDEAS, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS OUR INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATIVES WILLING TO FIGHT FOR.

WHAT RELATIONSHIPS DO THEY HAVE? RIGHT. SENATOR MAYFIELD HAS GOOD RELATIONSHIPS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF TOM AND PERHAPS SHE HAS AN INCREDIBLE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TRANSPORTATION CHAIRMAN AND NOT SUCH A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PERSON WHO FUNDS WATER PROJECTS. AND SO WE HAVE TO PROMULGATE THESE REQUESTS, TAKE THEM AND ASK OUR DELEGATION, WHAT DO YOU THINK? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THEY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE, THAT'S GOING TO BE EASIER FOR THEM TO FIGHT FOR THE CITY THAN IF SOMEBODY THAT THEY JUST DON'T KNOW AS WELL. SO. SO IN A NUTSHELL, THE AMOUNT ON THE LIST TO DEPUTY MAYOR'S POINT.

WHAT WHAT WOULD BE A SWEET SPOT? HISTORICALLY, THE CITY HAS ALWAYS PUT IN BETWEEN 3 AND 5 PROJECTS.

WE HAVE PUT IN MORE THAN ONE WATER PROJECT USUALLY EACH YEAR.

AND AGAIN, I DO AGREE THAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD GO AT A LOSS TO SOME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. WE DO GET TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS FUNDED.

I THIS IS MY PRESCRIPTION THAT I DON'T THINK IS THE UNIVERSAL STANDARD.

I THINK IT'S GOOD TO PUT IN ONE PUBLIC SAFETY TYPE, YOU KNOW, STATE ADMINISTRATION FUNDING, FIRE SAFETY, ONE CRIMINAL JUSTICE. WE KNOW THAT THE POLICE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS INTERESTED IN FUNDING IN. THAT COMES OUT OF DIFFERENT SILOS, MAYBE PUT IN ONE WATER PROJECT AND MAYBE PUT IN ONE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT.

I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD. YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT IN FOUR WATER PROJECTS, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT IN FIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, BECAUSE IN YOUR STATE, LEGISLATORS HAVE TO BUG THAT SAME CHAIRMAN FOR FOUR PROJECTS.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, MISS MOSCONI, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION? YES. AMPLE. THANK YOU ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO WE'LL WE'LL BE MOVING ON. SO WE ARE NOW ON OUR NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

[NEW BUSINESS:]

WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE. AND ONE OF THESE I WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM.

AND SO BEFORE I, I EVEN GO DOWN THIS PAGE. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY MAKE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING IN PARTICULAR FOR NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

BUT THE SECOND ITEM THAT'S LISTED, NUMBER TWO, THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA CO-SPONSORSHIP APPLICATION.

MADAM ATTORNEY. YES. MAYOR MEDINA WILL BE ABSTAINING FOR THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA APPLICATION, MAYOR MEDINA IS ABLE TO ABSTAIN, AND IF THERE IS AN ACTUAL OR IF THERE APPEARS TO BE A CONFLICT IN THIS CASE, THE MAYOR HAS CHOSEN TO ABSTAIN. HE'S DONE THIS ON A NUMBER OF YEARS.

HE ASKED ME TO CONSULT WITH THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS REGARDING HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOUSE CHURCH.

HE IS NOT PAID, BUT HE IS AN UNPAID PASTOR AT THE HOUSE CHURCH AND HE HAS BEEN ADVISED, AND HE HAS FOLLOWED THAT ADVICE SINCE, TO ABSTAIN, TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE THAT THERE MAY BE A CONFLICT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID MADAM MOSCONI PLEASE PRESENT THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE FIRST TRANCHE, IF YOU WILL, OF CO-SPONSORSHIP FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S REVISION TO THE CO-SPONSORSHIP POLICY ON MAY 1ST, 2025. I'M GOING TO ASK DANIEL WAITE, OUR RECREATION DIRECTOR, TO COME UP AND TELL YOU ABOUT OUR APPLICANTS.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. SO THIS YEAR BASED ON THE NEW POLICY THAT WAS AFFECTED MAY 1ST, WE DID HAVE AN APPLICATION WINDOW FOR THE FALL WINTER EVENTS.

WE RECEIVED FOUR APPLICATIONS. THREE OF THEM WENT THROUGH THE CO-SPONSORSHIP PROCESS.

ONE OF THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY QUALIFIED FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, WHICH MEANS THAT THE FEES THAT WERE BEING WAIVED WERE UNDER $1,500. SO THE THREE APPLICATIONS YOU HAVE ARE THE VIVA BREVARD FESTIVAL HOSTED BY THE BREVARD HISPANIC CENTER, THE 17TH ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. AT FRED PAPI REGIONAL PARK AND THEN THE INDIAN KITE FESTIVAL AT FRED POPPIE REGIONAL

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SOME OF THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS CO-SPONSORSHIP POLICY, FACILITY AND EQUIPMENT RENTAL FEES ARE WAIVED THROUGH THIS CO-SPONSORSHIP POLICY AND LABOR COSTS FOR THE DAY OF WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE SETTING UP OF SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE ORGANIZATION. AND EACH EVENT IS SUBJECT TO COORDINATION WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PAYMENT AND INSURANCE COMPLIANCE THROUGH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL VIEW TOTAL WITH THE THREE OF THEM, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT JUST OVER $12,000 IN FEE WAIVERS.

AND THE ESTIMATED COST BASED ON APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IS 11,400 OVER $400, IN WHICH THE APPLICANTS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE CITY.

MR.. WAIT. YES. I NEED YOU TO SEPARATE THOSE.

OKAY. DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM COLLECTIVELY BECAUSE I'M ABSTAINING OUT OF ONE, SO I NEED TO.

ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS SEPARATELY, EACH AND EVERY ITEM.

AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THANK YOU.

SO VIVA BREVARD. THAT ONE WILL BE HELD NOVEMBER 22ND AT FRED POPPI REGIONAL PARK.

PRIOR HISTORY AND PROJECTED ATTENDANCE IS AROUND 1000 ATTENDEES.

THE CITY WILL BE WAIVING $4,107 IN WAIVER FEES, WHILE THE ORGANIZATION WILL BE ESTIMATED TO PAY THE CITY $2,821 FOR LABOR AND STAFF.

THE 17TH ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA ON DECEMBER 20TH AT FRED POPPIE REGIONAL PARK.

THIS EVENT, BASED ON HISTORY AND PROJECTIONS, IS EXPECTED TO DRAW OVER 15,000 ATTENDEES.

AND FOR THIS ONE, THE CITY WILL BE WAIVING 4107 IN FACILITY, IN FACILITY AND EQUIPMENT FEES.

AND THE ORGANIZATION. THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE CAME OUT.

THEY WOULD OWE THE CITY $9,095. WE WERE ABLE AND LURE SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE STAFF AT THE EVENTS.

THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS TO ASSIST WITH THE SETUP BREAKDOWN AND CLEANING UP OF THE EVENT AREAS AND THE PARKING AREAS.

SO AN ADDITIONAL $2,300 IN ADDITIONAL LABOR FEES WAS TAKEN OFF THE ESTIMATE FOR WHAT THEY WILL OWE US, BUT WE WILL HAVE LEFT STAFF WORKING THAT EVENT FOR IN LIEU OF THOSE VOLUNTEERS.

THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL OWED BY THAT ORGANIZATION $6,785.

THE INDIAN KITE FESTIVAL, WHICH TAKES PLACE JANUARY 31ST, 2026.

FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK. THIS ONE IS EXPECTED TO DRAW OVER 2000 ATTENDEES.

IT IS A SHORTER EVENT. THE ORGANIZATION WILL QUALIFY FOR $3,857 AND WAIVED FEES, AND THERE THEY WILL INCUR AN ESTIMATED $1,854 IN STAFFING COSTS. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? NO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, MAYOR, BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A LOT BETTER.

INSTEAD OF WE SEPARATED THEM. SO THE NUMBERS SHOULD BE SEPARATE TOO.

SO DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

MAYOR. HOLD ON. COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE JUST ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER, SIR.

YES. MAYOR BILL BATTEN. OKAY. DON'T GO FAR, MISTER.

WAIT! BILL. BATTEN. EXCUSE ME. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I'VE GOT ONE REQUEST FROM GOING THROUGH THE PACKET.

THE UNITED THIRD BRIDGE WITH THE PUERTO RICAN PARADE.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY A COST. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SERVICES RENDERED.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SETUP. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF WE COULD HEAR HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE, THAT ONE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION GETS IT FOR NOTHING.

WHILE THREE OTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

I KNOW IT'S BASED ON A LAWSUIT, BUT I'D LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR WHAT THAT IS AND HOW HOW THAT CAME TO BE.

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WHAT IS THE ACTUAL OUTLAY THAT IT COSTS THE CITY? RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM WITH THIS, NOT WITH PERTAINING TO THIRD BRIDGE, BUT TO PERTAINING TO THE THREE OTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR LABOR AND SERVICES, THAT THE ORGANIZATIONS ARE PAYING THAT BACK TO THE CITY, INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTS HAVING TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICES.

I THINK THAT WAS A VERY GOOD MOVE, AND I APPLAUD MY COUNCIL FOR MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION AND CARRYING THROUGH ON IT.

IT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. MADAM. ATTORNEY. YES, SIR. THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED IN 2007, AND WAS THE UNITED THIRD BRIDGE FILED A SECTION 1983 CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY, AND ALLEGED THAT THE CITY HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED CERTAIN EQUIPMENT AND PUBLIC FACILITIES FREE OF CHARGE.

AND THEN THE CITY DECIDED THAT IT WOULD ONLY PROVIDE THOSE EQUIPMENTS AND SERVICES FOR A FEE.

HOWEVER, THEY ALLEGED THAT THERE WAS NO POLICY OR PROCEDURE, AND WHILE THEY WERE BEING CHARGED A FEE, OTHER GROUPS, PARTICULARLY OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS OR OTHER RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUPS WERE STILL RECEIVING IT FOR FOR FREE, AND THAT THE CHANGES WERE TARGETED AT BURDENING OR CHILLING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

THE CITY AND UNITED THIRD BRIDGE ENTERED INTO A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT IN WHICH IN EXCHANGE FOR UNITED THIRD BRIDGE DISMISSING THEIR LAWSUIT, THE CITY AGREED ON CERTAIN STAGINGS, AND A SET PARADE ROUTE GAVE THEM THE OPTION TO PURCHASE ELECTRICITY FROM THE CITY.

MAY. UNITED THIRD BRIDGE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEAN UP AND PORTABLE TOILETS.

THE CITY PROVIDED POLICE AND GAVE THEM THE OPTION TO RENT THE STAGE BASED ON THE STANDARD FEE SCHEDULE.

WE DO WANT TO CLARIFY THE ONLY THING THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY AGREED TO PAY FOR, WHICH WAS POLICE SERVICE, AND UP UNTIL WE CHANGED THE CO-SPONSORSHIP, THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS GETTING.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THE SETTLEMENT REQUIRES AS FAR AS WHAT WE PAY IS THE POLICE SERVICE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO MR.. WAIT, I THINK AT THIS, YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PARTNERSHIP HERE TODAY. ARE YOU GOING TO CALL ON THEM FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.

IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN TO HAVE THEM SPEAK ON THEIR PRESENTATION OR HOW? HOW ARE WE MOVING FORWARD? SO THE APPLICANTS ALL THREE ARE HERE.

SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS, THEY COULD COME UP AND SPEAK ON THEIR EVENT.

WELL BUT I COULD HAVE THEM COME UP ONE BY ONE.

AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, IF I GOTTA SEPARATE THIS AND.

AND YOU THIS ATTEMPT OF GROUPING THEM IS REALLY CONVOLUTED AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO IF I, IF I CAN, BECAUSE I, I PLAN ON REMOVING MYSELF FROM THE DAIS.

RIGHT. SO IF I CAN COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO DO THEM PRESENT ONE AND THREE, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO TWO WHEN I REMOVE MYSELF FROM THE DIES.

IS THAT. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. SO LET'S LET'S MOVE ALONG IN THAT, IN THAT SEQUENCE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM PRESENT THE VERY FIRST ONE WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 1 OR 1.1.

YEP. SO ITEM ONE. I'LL HAVE JAVIER COME UP WITH BREVARD HISPANIC CENTER TO PRESENT.

YES. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A VIVA RIVERA FESTIVAL.

THAT'S A FESTIVAL THAT WE ARE STARTING IN 2012.

BASICALLY, THAT WAS THE IDEA OF MAYOR MOLINA TO START THAT FESTIVAL WITH CONGRESSMAN BILL POSEY.

THEY CAME TO ME AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WANTED TO DO THAT FESTIVAL.

I WAS DOING A FESTIVAL OVER THERE AT THE LIBRARY, PALM BAY LIBRARY, AND BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING SOME SIMILAR FESTIVAL IN OSCEOLA COUNTY, AND THEY WANTED TO DO A HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY, AND I DID IT FOR THEM.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FESTIVAL SINCE 2012.

NOW THAT WE HAVE THE BREVARD HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE TRUSTEES WE ALSO INCLUDE A BUSINESS EXPO,

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SO THIS IS A GREAT EVENT. AND WE ALSO INCORPORATE ART AND CULTURE.

WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED THE PAINTING SMILES OF BREVARD PROGRAM THAT WE WE, WE PROVIDE AN APPLICATION TO PARTNER THIS YEAR WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY. SO GREAT THINGS ARE OFFERED AT THAT FESTIVAL.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED HERE IN, IN BREVARD COUNTY.

AND WE HAVE DONE FOR MANY YEARS SINCE SINCE 2012.

SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CO-SPONSOR WITH YOU GUYS AND AND FOR SO MANY YEARS.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN. HAMMER? NO, SIR. SEEING? NONE. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED A SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 1.3.

MR.. WAIT. ALL RIGHT. FOR THIS ITEM, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE INDIAN ASSOCIATION OF THE SPACE COAST TO COME UP AND PRESENT THE INDIAN KITE FESTIVAL.

HELLO, MAYOR. HELLO, EVERYONE. SO WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY DOING THIS INDIAN KITE FESTIVAL SINCE LAST TWO YEARS WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL ALL THOSE TWO YEAR. WE HAD LIKE, YOU KNOW, GOOD PARTICIPANTS OVER 2000.

WE INVITED ALL THE VENDORS, DIFFERENT FOOD VENDORS OTHER LOCAL SURROUNDED BY LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FLORIDA. SO THE SAME THING, SAME CONCEPT.

WE ARE GOING THIS YEAR AS WELL. JANUARY 31ST, 2026.

WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT THE SAME THING. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST FOR YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALLOWING US TO DOING THE SAME THING AND CONTINUES TO DOING BUILD.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL. NO, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN.

HAMMER. ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM 3 OR 1.3? NO, SIR.

OKAY, I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVE. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SECOND, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE AYE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. YES. I LIKE THE RECORD. REFLECT.

NAY. OH, AS YOU WERE. FOUR PASSES 4 TO 1. AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO PASS ON THE GAVEL TO DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

DEPUTY MAYOR. WAIT TILL I SIT IN THE AUDIENCE BEFORE YOU BEGIN DISCUSSIONS, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MR. WHITE. NOW, MOVING ON TO ITEM 1.2.

IF YOU CAN ASK THE FAMILY EXTRAVAGANZA FOLKS TO COME UP.

SO CALL UP REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE 17TH ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA.

HELLO, COUNCIL. MERRY CHRISTMAS. IT'S 102 DEGREES EVERY DAY.

SO I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT CHRISTMAS THIS EARLY, BUT IT'LL BE HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.

SO THIS YEAR IS OUR 17TH ANNUAL FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA.

SUPER EXCITED. THIS HAS BEEN NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART FOR OVER 11 YEARS NOW.

AND IT'S JUST AN AWESOME EVENT. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE IN ATTENDANCE HAVE ATTENDED THE EVENT BEFORE, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH VALUE IN THIS EVENT.

JUST A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THE EVENT. EVERYTHING IS FREE.

FREE. FREE. FREE. THAT GOES FROM CONCESSIONS FROM HOT DOGS.

COTTON CANDY. POPCORN. IT'S ALL FREE OF CHARGE.

THE ENTERTAINMENT IS NOT ONLY PROVIDED AT NO COST AS WELL, BUT WE FOCUS ON LOCAL ENTERTAINERS AS WELL AS THAT.

WE HAVE FACE PAINTING, WE HAVE ROCK WALLS, WE HAVE INFLATABLES.

SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FAMILIES TO REALLY PUT THEIR CELL PHONE DOWN, PUT THEIR TECHNOLOGY DOWN FOR A DAY AND JUST HAVE A FAMILY TIME TOGETHER AND CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. AND IT'S USUALLY JUST A FEW DAYS. IT'S THE THIRD SATURDAY IN DECEMBER EVERY YEAR RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, SO IT'S PERFECT TIME FOR FOR FAMILIES TO GATHER AND FELLOWSHIP AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT JUST THE IMPACT THAT I'VE SEEN, THE GROWTH THAT THIS THING THAT THIS EVENT HAS HAD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, OVER 15,000 ATTENDEES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, NOT ALL AT ONE TIME, BUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

COME TO THIS EVENT. SO WE'VE BEEN VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE CITY'S PARTNERSHIP AND OVER ALL THE YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS EVENT.

THE VALUE OF WHAT THEY PROVIDE DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED.

WITH THAT SAID, I DO FEEL A LITTLE BIT DISHEARTENED IN TERMS OF THE COSTS OF SOME OF THE FEES THAT WE ARE HAVING TO TAKE ON THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF THE SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT

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SO WE RELY ON ALL LOCAL BUSINESSES AND PARTNERSHIPS AND CHURCHES TO FUND THE EVENT.

SO THAT IS A MUCH AND THAT IS A COST THAT WE'VE NOT HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR IN THE PAST.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST. WE MAY HAVE TO SHORTEN THE EVENT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF LENGTH OF TIME, THAT SORT OF THING. SO AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THERE. BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE ARE VERY THANKFUL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR.

VERY THANKFUL FOR EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY DOES FOR THIS EVENT, AND I'M JUST REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS YEAR.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST YEAR YET. I REALLY, REALLY DO. WE HAVE A ROCKSTAR TEAM THAT NOT JUST GIVES OF THEIR TIME THAT DAY, BUT STARTING NEXT WEEK, WE PLAN FOR 3 OR 4 HOURS A WEEK AFTER WEEK, ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THE EVENT.

SO IT'S A LOT OF SACRIFICE AND TIME THAT WE PUT IN TO THIS EVENT, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR OUR FAMILIES TO ALLOW US TO BE THERE TO PLAN ALL THOSE FESTIVITIES.

SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? THANK YOU. KNOW ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN HAMMER? NO, SIR. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION? NO.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES FOUR FOUR, FOUR, 4 TO 0.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. SO WE ARE NOW.

WE MOVED ITEM NUMBER SIX, DIDN'T WE? THE ONLY ITEM WE HAVE IS FIVE AND SIX, I THINK.

YEP. NO, WE DON'T HAVE ITEMS. FIVE. SO WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, MADAM SMITH.

OR DID WE MOVE THAT? OH, NO, WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX. MISS SMITH READ THE CAPTION PLEASE.

MAYOR, WE DIDN'T MOVE THAT UP ON THE AGENDA ITEM.

WE'RE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW. OH, AS YOU WERE ALREADY.

MY FAULT AS YOU WERE. I LOST MY PLACE. THANK YOU.

DEPUTY MAYOR. SO WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

I WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING UP AGAIN. AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS NOT PRESENT.

AND YET TWO MEETINGS OR THE MEETING BEFORE THAT, I HAD PROPOSED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

AND IN THAT MOTION, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COUNCILMAN HAMMER AND MYSELF VOTED TO RECONSIDER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ASPECT OF BEING BROADCASTED, AND WE DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, BECAUSE AND WE DO COMMEND YOU FOR NOT NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT BECAUSE OF OF WHERE YOU WERE.

WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS PLANNED INITIALLY BY US, BUT YOU FOUND IT NECESSARY TO TO GO INTO A SESSION WITH YOUR LOVELY FAMILY, WITH YOUR WIFE.

AND SO I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. AND IN MY DISCUSSION, I I COULDN'T I WITHDREW THE ITEM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST A TWO, TWO VOTE AGAIN. SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP.

ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY, 7.914 MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS THE TITLE.

THE RECONSIDERATION OF ISSUES PREVIOUSLY ACTED UPON IS DISCOURAGED IF A COUNCIL MEMBER DESIRES TO HAVE AN ISSUE RECONSIDERED THAT HAS BEEN ACTED UPON AT A MEETING WITHIN THE PAST YEAR.

THE COUNCIL MEMBER MUST FIRST APPROACH COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM.

A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO SCHEDULE THE ITEM FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING FOR RECONSIDERATION.

IN OTHER WORDS I, I JUST CAN'T BRING THIS UP.

I NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ON A VOTE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY TOOK IN IN MAY TO REMOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION

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SO I'M, I'M GOING TO BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, I'M GOING TO ASK TO SEE IF IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THAT.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YES, MAYOR. THAT'S WHY I HIT THE BUZZER, BECAUSE THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR ME.

SO YOU SAY YOU NEED A MOTION OR. YES, SIR. I WOULD NEED A MOTION TO SO THAT WE COULD RECONSIDER THAT AT A FOLLOWING MEETING.

SO MOVED. I'VE GOT A MOTION, AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SECOND, I'VE. I'VE GOT A THIRD. AND COUNCILMAN HAMMER, SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA. COUNCILMAN DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CLERK. AS FAR AS CONDUCT A MEETING, I BELIEVE COUNCIL POLICY REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO MAKE A MOTION.

SO I THINK THE PROPER COURSE WOULD BE SOMEBODY PLACES THIS ON DISCUSSION FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO BE VOTED ON, NOT JUST PULL IT UP FOR A MOTION CURRENTLY LIKE IT'S BEEN DONE HISTORICALLY IN THE PAST, MISS JONES.

YES, MAYOR. HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE'VE HAD ITEMS TO RECONSIDER, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD APPROACH COUNCIL TO, LIKE YOU SAID, SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT, THEN THE ITEM WOULD BE PLACED ON ON AN AGENDA FOR REASON.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO WORD IT. THE RECONSIDERATION, THE REQUEST TO RECONSIDER.

NOT ACTUALLY HERE. THE ITEM IS JUST THE REQUEST TO RECONSIDER WOULD BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA.

THEN IF THAT IS APPROVED, THEN THE ACTUAL ITEM TO BE RECONSIDERED WOULD BE PLACED ON A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT NOW, I GOT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IN A SECOND.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? JUST A QUESTION FOR THE CLERK.

SO MRS. JONES, YOU SAID HISTORICALLY, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WITH COUNCILMAN BAILEY.

WE HAD A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE HE BROUGHT SOMETHING UP AND IT WAS TO BE RECONSIDERED.

AND THEN IT DID COME UP FOR A VOTE FOLLOWED AFTER BEING PASSED BY THE RECONSIDERATION.

YOU SAID HISTORICALLY, BUT IS IT IS IT REQUIRED? IS THE QUESTION POLICY? SO IT IS POLICY. OKAY.

ARE YOU STILL ASKING ME. YEAH. SO SO VOTING ON THIS WOULD BE GOING AGAINST COUNCIL POLICY, CORRECT. YES OR NO? WELL, AFTER CONFERRING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY THIS AFTERNOON BOTH OF YOU ARE CORRECT.

THE MAYOR IS CORRECT. AND THE WAY HE'S DOING IT, YOU'RE ALSO CORRECT IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE STATING IT.

IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. YOU CAN. IT'S A MATTER OF HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO VOTE ON IT.

YOU CAN VOTE ON IT TONIGHT SAYING YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE RECONSIDERATION.

THEN THE ITEM WILL BE BROUGHT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. NO. NOTHING FURTHER. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE.

DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. NO. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON A COUNCILMAN.

HAMMER. HI. COUNCILMAN. LANGEVIN. NAY. MAYOR.

MEDINA. AYE. MOTION PASSES 3 TO 2. WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT.

[CONSENT AGENDA:]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I'LL SECOND IT. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE AYE AYE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

MADAM SMITH. ORDINANCE 20 2531 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE SEVEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 174 STANDARDS FOR ACCESSORY, TEMPORARY, AND OTHER USES AND STRUCTURES. SUBCHAPTER.

PART ONE ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES. BY INCREASING THE NUMBER OF BACKYARD CHICKENS PERMITTED ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT WITHIN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REFER TO MADAME MOSCONI.

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ONE, RS. TWO, RS. THREE AND SRI ZONING DISTRICTS FROM TODAY'S CURRENT 4 TO 6 CHICKENS.

WHEN WE'RE AMENDING CHAPTER 174 OF THE STANDARDS FOR ACCESSORY AND TEMPORARY USES, IT REALLY IS GOING TO THE REGULATION OF ANIMAL HOUSING AND STRUCTURES FOR BACKYARD PETS AND INCLUDING CHICKENS.

THE STANDARDS ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

CHICKENS ARE DEFINED AS A DOMESTIC FOWL DEVELOPED IN A NUMBER OF BREEDS FOR THEIR EGGS THAT FOLLOW IS DEFINED AS A CHICKEN BY THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA EXTENSION SERVICE.

AND THIS DEFINITION SHALL NOT INCLUDE DUCKS. GEESE, TURKEYS, PIGEONS OR GUINEA AND ROOSTERS ARE PROHIBITED IN THE CITY.

THIS YOU KNOW, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES DO REQUIRE PERMITS.

ACCESSORY. THE DEFINITION OF YOUR ACCESSORY TO A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

SO IT DOES REQUIRE A PERMIT. STAFF HAS A RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

PNC RECOMMENDED DENIAL. I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, SO I DO HAVE.

WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY EGGS ONE CHICKEN LAYS? IS THIS A TRICK QUESTION I'M ASKING? NO, I REALLY DO NOT KNOW.

BUT I KNOW THAT CHICKENS GENERALLY ARE VIABLE EGG LAYERS.

EXCUSE ME? FOR 3 TO 5 YEARS, AND THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, FALL OFF VERY QUICKLY AFTER THAT.

AND WHEN YOU SAY THEY FALL OFF, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CHICKEN AT THAT POINT? DO THEY JUST BECOME CHICKENS? THEY THEY BECOME.

AND FOR LIKE, CHICKEN SOUP. SURE. FOR CHICKEN SOUP.

SO HERE'S HERE. AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, GENTLEMEN.

AND I RECENTLY WAS IN MIAMI. AND I SEEN A LOT OF FERAL CHICKENS.

YES. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT OCCURS IS ONCE THE CHICKEN OUTLIVED THEIR EGG PRODUCING YEARS, THEY BECOME FERAL, OR PEOPLE DON'T, DON'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM FOR DINNER.

THEY LET THEM RUN WILD. AND I THE LEAST THING I WOULD, I WOULD HATE FOR OUR CITY IS TO HAVE SEVERAL FERAL CHICKENS.

I KNOW IT SOUNDS AMUSING, BUT I'VE SEEN IT IN MIAMI AND I'VE SEEN THE BEACH AND IN THE CARIBBEAN.

I'VE SEEN IT QUITE, QUITE OFTEN SO THAT I WOULDN'T WANT OUR CITY TO TURN TO THAT.

I MENTIONED BEFORE, I LIKE THE SWEET SPOT, SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS MY LINE OF QUESTIONING.

WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU KNOW, THEY THEY JUST DON'T PRODUCE ANY MORE EGGS AND AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A CHICKEN AT THIS POINT, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? COUNSEL? YES, SIR. WELL I DIDN'T I DIDN'T WATCH THE MEETING, BUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY WAS THE REASON WHY PLANNING AND ZONING VOTED? WHAT WAS THE KIND OF COLLECTIVE? CERTAINLY THEIR RATE, BASICALLY, THEIR CONCERN WAS THE AMOUNT OF CHICKENS WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL LOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR LOTS ARE FAIRLY SMALL.

AND HAVING FOUR CHICKENS IS CAN BE A LOT BASED ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS REQUIRED TO HOUSE THEM, BECAUSE IN OUR CODE, THEY HAVE TO BE UNDER LOCK AND KEY AND HOPEFULLY NOT RUNNING LOOSE.

SO THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH LOTS BEING NOT WIDE ENOUGH, NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR SIX CHICKENS AND THE REQUIRED SQUARE FOOTAGE. THANK YOU. MOUNTAIN. TO THE MAYOR'S POINT.

HOW? BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE CODE. WE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE COLD GOING AROUND CHASING CHICKENS IN THE ROAD.

HOW HOW WOULD LIKE, IF THIS WERE TO PASS AND SAY THERE WAS AN INFLUX OF CHICKENS AND EVERYTHING? IT'S. I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ON THIS PROBABLY LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO.

HOPEFULLY THE COUNCILMAN WILL BE FASTER, BUT LIKE, HOW WOULD A NEIGHBOR REPORT? LIKE, EVERY MORNING I HEAR I HEAR A ROOSTER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I, I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO GET UP AT 4 A.M. TRYING TO FIND WHO IT WAS, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE SO IN THAT CASE LIKE HELP ME OUT NOW.

CORRECT, SIR. AND SO WE DID LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE I, I ANTICIPATED THIS TYPE OF QUESTION BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR CODE COMPLIANCE I APOLOGIZE HAS HAD THOSE CALLS AND YET THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO INTO SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.

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AND UNLESS THEY HEAR OR THEY CAN COUNT THE CHICKENS THEMSELVES, THEIR HANDS ARE A LITTLE TIED.

NOW, I HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THEY PROVIDE COURTESY NOTICES STATING THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLAINT.

YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE CODE. BE AWARE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FOUR CHICKENS AND ABSOLUTELY NO ROOSTERS.

THAT THAT IS ABOUT THE EXTENT OF CODE COMPLIANCE.

AGAIN, THE HUTS SHOULD BE PERMITTED RIGHT BY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

CERTAINLY PEOPLE CAN BUILD THINGS IN THEIR BACKYARD AND WE MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT IT.

ABSOLUTELY. ALSO, IF SOMEONE BELIEVES THE ANIMALS, ANY ANIMAL IS AT RISK, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL BREVARD COUNTY'S ANIMAL SERVICES AND DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'LL COME OUT AND DO AN INVESTIGATION.

BUT REALLY, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND OUR OUR HANDS ARE A LITTLE TIED ON THAT ISSUE, AND THE PERMANENT STRUCTURES HAVE TO.

THEY'LL GO THROUGH YOU. CORRECT. CORRECT. THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES GET PERMITTED BY US, BUT WE DO NOT DO INSPECTIONS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF. AND THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY, I THINK, MANY YEARS AGO.

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT I'M THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE YOU GET THE COMPLAINT.

AND THEN YOU LOOK. OKAY, I'M GETTING A COMPLAINT.

OH, WE DON'T SEE THAT A PERMIT WAS SUBMITTED.

ALL RIGHT. SOMETHING'S NOT ADDING UP. WELL, THAT IS TRUE.

ALSO, THEY COULD ALWAYS CHECK. AND THEY SHOULD CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PERMIT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR.

AND IF YOU HEAR CHICKENS OR ROOSTER, THEN YOU CERTAINLY CAN.

AGAIN, I PREFER THAT WE'RE CODE COMPLIANCE. I PREFERRED WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BE COMPLIANT AND NOT ENFORCE.

SO I PREFER A COURTESY NOTICE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU KNOW, PLEASE, PLEASE COME INTO COMPLIANCE.

AND THEN IF THAT CONTINUES, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO CITE THEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING FROM THE ADDRESS, YOU CAN HEAR FROM WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. YOU LOOK THAT. YOU SEE, THERE'S NO PERMIT FOR THAT ADDRESS. THEN THEY'RE ALREADY OUT OF COMPLIANCE, SO.

CORRECT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN HAMMER? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? I'LL OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T SPEAK OF CARDS, BUT I'LL GO WITH MASTER CHIEF.

ROBERT STEVENSON, THERE WAS SOME. YES, MA'AM.

YOU'RE NUMBER THREE, MA'AM. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

WE'VE WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MANY, MANY TIMES.

AND I'LL REVERT BACK TO ONE OF MY MAJOR STATEMENTS THAT I'VE SAID WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND IS WHY I PICKED THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND IT'S WHY I PICKED MY RESIDENCE BECAUSE WHERE I, WHERE I LIVE WAS BECAUSE IT WAS RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. SO FOR ME, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ZONED RR SO IT'S THIS THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE DOES NOT IMPACT ON ME.

BUT THE WHOLE THING WAS THAT ENTIRE COMMUNITY AROUND WHERE I LIVE, WHERE I LIVE NOW AT ONE TIME WAS RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHERE THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM AT ALL IF YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED YOUR ZONING.

GUESS WHAT? ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE FARMERS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN FARMERS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.

BUT IN ORDER FOR DEVELOPERS TO GET MORE HOUSES PER SQUARE ACRE, GUESS WHAT? WE GOT RID OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL. SO THOSE THAT WANT TO BE THE FARMERS, I SUGGEST YOU BUY A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND AND BE FARMERS.

BUT I BLAME THE CITY FOR THE ONES THAT GOT RID OF MY RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MRS. THEISS. YOU'RE NEXT, MA'AM.

YOU'RE AFTER THIS YOUNG MAN. I WAS JUST WONDERING.

YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GET THESE ROOSTERS, WHATEVER THEY ARE.

THEY JUST KEEP YOU UP. THE ONLY CHICKENS I WAS INTERESTED IN IS THE ONES THAT COME FROM THE FREEZER SECTION.

BUT, I MEAN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I'M UP AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING ANYWAY.

AND I'M ALSO WONDERING, ARE THESE ILLEGAL ALIEN CHICKENS? DO WE NEED TO CALL ICE ON THEM? HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS PROBLEM, MA'AM? DO YOU HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? OH, OKAY. OKAY. HELLO.

MY NAME IS LINDSAY KOGER. I LOVE IT. 1413 GOYA ROAD IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

SO, IN REGARDS TO THE CHICKENS, I KNOW NOBODY LIKES ROOSTERS.

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WELL, PEOPLE LET THEIR DOGS LOOSE AROUND PALM BAY ALL THE TIME, SO WHAT WOULD BE REALLY THE DIFFERENCE? DOGS GET HIT BY CARS ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE ARE IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR DOGS.

SO I MEAN, WHAT'S REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ANIMALS IN THAT SENSE OF YOU GUYS NOT WANTING FROM 4 TO 6 CHICKENS, WHICH TO ME DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY LARGE DIFFERENCE IN NUMBER.

AND FUN FACT CHICKENS LAY 1 TO 2 EGGS A DAY. SO, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? PLEASE STEP FORWARD.

PAT DOWN BEFORE TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE. NORTHEAST.

WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS. I TALKED ABOUT DOGS.

WE HAVE FERAL CATS. I REALLY DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW CHICKENS IN THESE SMALLER LOTS.

I DON'T WANT CHICKENS NEXT TO ME. NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHICKENS.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PETS HALF THE TIME.

SO IF YOU WANTED CHICKENS AND YOU WANT A LOT MORE CHICKENS, THEN THEY SHOULD GO FIND A RURAL LOT AND HAVE THEIR CHICKENS.

PLANNING AND ZONING. IT TURNED OUT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A JOKE, BUT THEY ALL AGREED SMALLER LOTS SHOULDN'T BE.

HAVING CHICKENS AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE CHICKENS NEXT TO ME.

THANKS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. PHIL WEINBERG, FOUR SIX, SIX SCANLON ROAD.

I HAD A SMILE WHEN YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE IN MIAMI.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF FERAL CHICKENS. YOU HAD TO BE IN LITTLE HAVANA OR THAT OR DOWNTOWN MIAMI NOW.

BUT I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO HAS CHICKENS. OKAY.

THEY ACTUALLY HAD A ROOSTER. I FINALLY A A CODE COMPLAINT, AND AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS, THEY FINALLY GOT RID OF THE ROOSTER.

NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHICKENS THEY HAVE, BECAUSE I DON'T GO INTO THE BACKYARD TO TO COUNT THEM.

BUT THEY DO MAKE NOISE. THEY ARE NOISY. BUT HERE'S THE POINT.

NO ONE ARE VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL LOT.

QUARTER ACRE OR OR IS THERE A LOT LINE HOUSE? WANT TO HAVE A MINIATURE VERSION OF OF OLD MCDONALD'S FARM NEXT TO THEM? OKAY. YOU WANT YOU WANT PALM BAY TO TO TO HAVE AN UPSCALE IMAGE.

YOU WANT TO ATTRACT UPSCALE BUSINESS AND MANUFACTURING EVERYTHING.

HAVING CHICKENS NEXT TO PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE LIVING IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL HOUSES IS RIDICULOUS.

THEY SHOULDN'T ALLOW ANY CHICKENS IN IT. YOU KNOW, IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING, IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A FARM, HAVE THE LAND. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I'LL MAKE. I'LL SECOND IT. OH. I'M SORRY.

SO THE MOTION IS. WHAT'S THE MOTION? TO INCREASE FROM 4 TO 6.

YES. I GOT A MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. SINCE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY MY ITEM.

SO A FEW MONTHS AGO, I WAS, I WAS THERE, I WAS CALLED A LIBERTARIAN FROM SOMEBODY IN THE CROWD.

OR AT LEAST IT WAS INSINUATED. THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I'M JUST A CONSERVATIVE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY CODES AND REGULATIONS. I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CODES.

ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED WAS ROOSTERS, PENS, ETC., ETC.

BUT THE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO MOVE THE CHICKEN NUMBER FROM 4 TO 6.

CHICKENS ALREADY EXIST. THEY'RE ALREADY IN BACKYARDS.

WE'RE JUST ASKING TO GO FROM 4 TO 6. BUT HERE'S THE REASON IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THE CHICKENS WHY I WANT TO DO THIS.

AND I WISH THAT WE HAD DONE THIS EARLIER, EITHER FAILED OR DENIED BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER LIST.

I'VE GOT A LIST OF THINGS THAT I'M WORKING ON THAT THE THE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WHAT CONSERVATIVES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME GOVERNMENT IN PLACE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT DEREGULATING IN AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO DEREGULATE.

AND I'VE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SAY THAT THE CHICKEN ORDINANCE WAS ESSENTIALLY WEAPONIZED AGAINST THEM BY NEIGHBORS THAT WERE MAD AT THEM FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THEN THEY SAID, OH, HEY, THESE PEOPLE HAVE CHICKENS.

AND THEN CODE CAME OUT AND GAVE THEM A HARD TIME.

THEY HAD TO GET RID OF THEIR CHICKENS. SO THE POINT REALLY ISN'T ABOUT THE CHICKENS.

WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT CHICKENS OR NOT. BUT MY POINT FOR BRINGING THIS UP WAS,

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THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. AND WE HAVE, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON THIS DIOCESE CHICKENS.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES. I DON'T EVEN HAVE CHICKENS.

BUT I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WITH CHICKENS. AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT OWN CHICKENS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. THERE ARE L3, HARRIS AND NORTHROP GRUMMAN AND NASA EMPLOYEES AND MILITARY MEMBERS THAT HAVE CHICKENS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND THEY CANNOT GO OUT AND LIVE IN. I MEAN, THEY PROBABLY COULD IF THEY WANT TO COMMUTE HOURS, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF PLACES LEFT WHERE THEY COULD WORK AT L3.

HARRIS. AND GO LIVE ON A RANCH SOMEWHERE, LIKE OUT IN OSCEOLA COUNTY.

SO THE POINT IS LESS ABOUT THE CHICKENS AND MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT I DON'T WANT OUR ORDINANCES BEING USED TO BE WEAPONIZED AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS.

AND THIS ISN'T A SMALL, NICHE COMMUNITY OF 10 OR 20 PEOPLE IN PALM BAY THAT HAVE CHICKENS.

THERE ARE QUITE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF HOUSEHOLDS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE CHICKENS.

I SEE THEM ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS AS I'M WORKING.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF ROOSTERS AS WELL. THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM IF YOU HAVE A ROOSTER, CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT. I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT ROOSTERS.

SO THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. IT'S MORE ABOUT THE MAKING SURE THAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE NOT BEING USED AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN JONES. NOTHING ELSE, REALLY, TO ADD.

MAYOR, HIS HIS ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS 12. SO I, I YOU AND I BOTH LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS CRAZY WHEN HE SAID IT.

BUT I FEEL SIX IS MANAGEABLE. IT'S. AND, YOU KNOW, ON ONE END, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT ON THE OTHER END, WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S LIMIT THIS.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE TOO EXTREME.

ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EVERY HOUSEHOLD WITH CHICKENS.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO ALREADY HAVE IT LOOKING TO INCREASE THE TO OR LOOKING TO BE IN A COMPLIANCE, AND THEN A FEW OTHERS ALONG THE WAY THAT SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY OWN EGGS AS WELL.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T PURCHASE A $50,000 PROPERTY OR WHATEVER IT MAY COST.

I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I CAN, YOU KNOW, GO AND APPLY FOR A PERMIT AND GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE I'M IN COMPLIANCE TO HAVE SIX CHICKENS. SO THAT'S ALL THERE.

THANK YOU. AND LIKE I SAID, I'M ON THE RECORD FOR SAYING I THINK THE SWEET SPOT IS FOR THAT.

THERE WAS NO, NO REASON TO TO TRY AND INCREASE THIS.

I THINK THAT STILL IS THE CASE. DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY I HAVE NO COMMENTS.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER, ANY COMMENTS? I'M OKAY WITH SIX.

OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION TO INCREASE FROM 4 TO 6.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE HI.

HI. ALL OPPOSED? SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. SO ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON A COUNCILMAN HAMMER A COUNCILMAN.

LANGEVIN, A DEPUTY MAYOR. JAFFE. MAYOR MEDINA.

NAY. OKAY, WE'RE NOW ON PROCUREMENT ITEM NUMBER ONE.

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THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MAINTAINS OVER 116 MILES OF CANALS AND DITCHES.

BUT THEY DO FIND THAT THERE ARE PARTICULAR CANALS AND DITCHES WHERE THEY DO NOT HAVE GOOD BANK ACCESS TO MAINTAIN THEM.

AND SO THEY DO GO OUT TO BID FOR VENDORS THAT HAVE THE TYPE OF AQUATIC EXCAVATORS THAT CAN HANDLE THIS MAINTENANCE.

ONLY ONE BID WAS RECEIVED ON THIS AND STAFF DID OUTREACH.

THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SCOPE, INCLUDING CHALLENGING SITE CONDITIONS AND ACCESS LIMITATIONS, CERTAINLY REDUCED THE POOL OF INTERESTED AND QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? COUNCILMAN.

HAMMER. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MAYOR. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, DEPUTY MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. ITEM NUMBER TWO.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE AWARD OF ROAD BOND PAVING FOR UNIT 44 AT THE JULY 17TH MEETING.

COUNCIL DID REQUEST THAT STAFF PAUSE ANY FUTURE ROAD BOND PROJECTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANY PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY IN SOME TYPE OF ACTION.

SO THIS PARTICULAR BID WAS ADVERTISED ON MAY 30TH.

IT CLOSED AND THREE BIDS WERE RECEIVED. THE LOWEST BID IS TIMOTHY ROSE CONTRACTING OUT OF VERO BEACH, FLORIDA. THERE HAVE DONE SEVERAL OF OUR ROAD BOND PROJECTS.

THE ESTIMATED AWARD VALUE IS $9,312,394, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY

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MORE SO FOR OUR YES, SIR. KEVIN. YEP. MISTER.

KEVIN. YES, SIR. KEVIN BRINKLEY, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

YES, SIR. WELCOME TO THE CITY. AND I'M SURE YOU HEARD.

OR YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

JUST WITH HIS REQUEST OR WITH HIS PROPOSAL IN REGARDS TO MOVING FORWARD.

I KNOW WE'RE VOTING ON THIS ITEM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHERE YOU ARE WITH THAT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE FUTURE? YES, SIR. YES. JUST BRIEFLY FOR PAUSING OR.

YES. SO YEAH, ACTUALLY KIND OF BEEN HAVING THIS SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO GET CAUGHT UP TO SPEED. A BIG COMPONENT IN ANY RESURFACING IN ANY ROAD MAINTENANCE IS A IT'S CALLED A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.

THAT'S BASICALLY A GRADING OF ALL OF YOUR ASSETS.

THE LAST TIME WE HAD IT DONE WAS 2016. THROW SOMETHING IF I'M WRONG.

SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THE DECADE MARK NEXT YEAR.

I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO STAY ON TOP OF. AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO DOING THAT AGAIN AND AND THEN CHECK.

YOU KNOW, I ALSO WANT TO KNOW, ARE WE REPAVING ROADS JUST BECAUSE WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO REDO EVERY ROAD IN THE CITY, OR ARE WE REPAVING THEM BASED ON CONDITION? THIS ONE CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE WHEN LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS PCI AND LOOKING AT THE TRANS MAP TRANSPLANT REPORTS.

YOU KNOW, THEY THEY GIVE A NUMBER THAT IF YOUR ROAD IS BELOW THIS THRESHOLD, YOU NEED TO DO A FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION.

BUT ABOVE THIS THRESHOLD YOU SHOULD BE GOOD WITH MILLING AND PAVING.

AND I SAW US. WE HAD TO DO FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION ON AREAS THAT THE SCORE IN 2016 AT LEAST, WAS HIGH ENOUGH THAT I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE.

SO WHEN I DUG INTO IT, WHAT I FOUND WAS, IS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY TESTED THE THE SUBBASE AND DID THE GEO.

I'M GOING TO MESS IT UP. GEOLOGICAL DATA. YES.

THEY FOUND THAT THE BASE OF THE ROAD WAS NOT THICK ENOUGH INITIALLY, AND SO WEAR AND TEAR OVER TIME MADE IT EVEN WORSE.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO DO FDR IN ORDER TO BUILD THE BASE BACK TO THE DEPTH THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT.

SO BAD NEWS IS, IT COST US MORE. GOOD NEWS IS, IS WE'RE NOW PUTTING THAT BASE IN PLACE AT THE CORRECT DEPTH THAT IN THE FUTURE WE'LL ONLY NEED TO MILL THE TOP LAYER OFF AND REPAVE IT.

SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST QUESTION SIR.

YEAH. SO SO OBVIOUSLY I MEAN THE BUDGET SHOT AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE SHOT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING MORE FDR PROJECTS? IT'S POSSIBLE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S WHY I THINK THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS THE PAUSE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET A, WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE, WHAT'S THE TRUTH OF OUR REALITY TODAY.

AND THAT'LL HELP US DESIGN THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE NOT CHASING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, ESSENTIALLY. YEAH.

I HAVE I'VE NEVER SEEN THREE BIDS SO CLOSE IN NUMBERS BEFORE.

IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE THE CONTRACTORS ARE STARTING TO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIDDING PRACTICES LOOKED LIKE IN THE PREVIOUS OPEN PUBLIC BIDS.

AND THERE'S HISTORICAL DATA THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT.

AND YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH WE AWARDED UNIVERSAL.

THIS MONTH WE'RE GOING TO AWARD TIMOTHY ROSE.

AND IT KIND OF JUST SEEMS TO BE GOING AROUND AND AROUND IN CIRCLES. AND I FEEL I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR BIDDER BASE TO TRY TO GET SOME MORE COMPETITIVE NUMBERS.

AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE HISTORICAL DATA. BASICALLY, WHAT ARE WE PAYING PER MILE OR PER SQUARE? SQUARE YARD. FROM UNIT OVER UNIT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, ORANGE ORANGES, APPLES TO APPLES TO APPLES FOR SCOPE OF WORK.

I THINK IT'S $10 MILLION. YEAH. I THINK WE COULD PULL TOGETHER SOME DATA FOR YOU TO SEE.

I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE YOU GUYS HAD THAT, RIGHT. LIKE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NEW, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF WOULD BE TRACKING, RIGHT? OR PROCUREMENT AT LEAST. SO AND THEN CAN CAN MISS.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE BUDGET AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? IT SAYS SOMETHING. THE ADDITIONAL BUDGET WILL BE APPROVED IN FISCAL YEAR 26. YES.

SO ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE A FISCAL YEAR 2026 PROJECT WHEN IT WAS STILL IN DESIGN.

AND SO BECAUSE OF COURSE, WE STARTED OUR BUDGET PROCESS SO EARLY, STAFF DID REQUEST THIS PROJECT AS PART OF THEIR 2026 ASKS.

SO THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN FISCAL YEAR 26 TO SUPPLEMENT THE SHORTAGE THAT EXISTS IN THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS, WHAT, LITTLE OVER $4 MILLION. CORRECT.

SO I THINK GEORGE WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE PROCUREMENT ASPECTS OF THIS.

YES, PLEASE. MR. BARBER, COME ON UP. GOOD EVENING.

I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE OUTREACH, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT THEY ARE REALLY CLOSE.

SO WHEN I CAME IN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO, THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO WAS TRY TO INCREASE OUR VENDOR POOL FOR THE BOND PAYMENT

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AND WHAT IT BOILED DOWN TO WAS THAT IT WAS NOT MANY CONTRACTORS WILLING TO MOBILIZE TO THIS AREA.

SO REALLY WE JUST HAD PREFERRED MATERIALS. RANGER TIMOTHY ROSE.

SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE WEST COAST PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE WE POSSIBLY COULD.

AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAS COME DOWN TO IS THAT WE HAVE NO ONE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.

AND A LOT OF THAT REASON IS IS BECAUSE OF MOBILIZATION.

SO WE DO HAVE A LIMITED VENDOR POOL, BUT IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AT THIS POINT IN THE ISSUE OF LIKE BREAKING IT UP UNIT BY UNIT.

IS THE RE MOBILIZATIONS, RIGHT. IF WE WERE TO AWARD A CONTRACT ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE, THOSE PARTICULAR CONTRACTORS WOULD ALREADY BE MOBILIZED.

AND IN OUR AREA, RIGHT. MOBILIZATION FOR ANY CONTRACTOR IS THE BIGGEST COST.

YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO SEE IF WE CAN BUNDLE THEM UP TO, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET CREATIVE WITH THE STRATEGY.

JUST UNFORTUNATELY IT'S IT'S NOTHING REALLY GOOD TO REPORT AS FAR AS COMPETITION.

SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE THE OUTREACH TO TRY TO INCREASE OUR VENDOR POOL SPECIFICALLY FOR ROAD BOND PAVING, AND I THINK WE REACHED OUT TO MAYBE JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IN CENTRAL FLORIDA, THE GULF COAST, NOT SO MUCH ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT TO SEE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO COME AND TO PARTICIPATE FOR OUR SERVICE OR FOR OUR FOR OUR BUSINESS AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING. GOOD. SO MADAME MOSCONI, THAT. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DEPUTY MAYORS IS THERE. SO THIS IS A $9 MILLION PROJECT, RIGHT? I THINK HIS HIS THOUGHT PROCESS IS INCREASE THE JOB, RIGHT, AND BUNDLE SOME ADDITIONAL.

IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY? BECAUSE I'M HEARING AT THE SAME TIME WE WANT TO PAUSE.

AND YET TO GET A BIGGER, A LARGER POOL, WE WOULD WANT TO INCREASE THAT, THAT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TO BUNDLE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

INCREASE THAT POOL BY HAVING THAT A BIGGER A BIGGER PROJECT.

SO IF WE'RE PAUSING, HOW DO WE DO THAT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND, AND I WANT TO THANK MR. BRINKLEY AND MR. BARBOUR FOR DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

JUST GOING BACK TO THE PROCUREMENT ELEMENT, THERE'S JUST TWO THINGS I WANT TO ADD. ONE IS FDR REQUIRES SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT THAT IS EXTREMELY LIMITED. YOU'LL MAY RECALL IN THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE WERE FIRST DOING FDR PROJECTS, WE ONLY FOR A LONG TIME ONLY HAD ONE BIDDER ASPHALT PAVING SYSTEMS. THEY WERE THE ONLY CONTRACTOR IN THE AREA THAT HAD THE FDR EQUIPMENT.

IF THEY WEREN'T BIDDING, THEY WERE THE SUB TO SEVERAL OF THE SAME BIDDERS.

WHICH IS ALWAYS A CONCERN FOR A PROCUREMENT PERSPECTIVE.

AND SLOWLY BUT SURELY, BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE WE KNOW THAT OTHER CONTRACTORS HAVE ACQUIRED THE EQUIPMENT, KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE TO PERFORM THIS WORK.

SO. ONE OTHER THING I CAN ANSWER RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE WAY BACK WHEN THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST PROCUREMENT METHODOLOGY TO DELIVER THESE PROJECTS? IS IT TO BUNDLE? IS IT TO BUNDLE LARGE UNITS? IS IT TO BUNDLE SMALL UNITS? IS IT TO DO AS AS DEPUTY MAYOR AND I DISCUSS THIS WEEK? UNIT PRICING. RIGHT. AND TO DEPUTY MAYOR'S POINT, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SO LONG, AND OUR FULL TABULATIONS ARE GETTING POSTED.

ABSOLUTELY. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BID, AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE.

I DO THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, SINCE WE ARE ENGAGING IN A PAUSE, TO ALSO REVISIT THE PROCUREMENT STRATEGY AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE ARE REVISITING WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO DO WITH THESE FUNDS.

AND IT MIGHT BE THAT WE'VE BEEN STRATEGICALLY BUNDLING THEM BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.

TO YOUR POINT, TO REDUCE MOBILIZATION COSTS, IF YOU MAKE THEM TOO LARGE, COMPANIES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BOND.

WE REQUIRE 100% PAYMENT AND PERFORMANCE BOND.

THAT MEANS THEY NEED TO HAVE BONDING CAPACITY FOR 100% OF THE JOB, 100% FOR A $10 MILLION PROJECT, VERSUS A $20 MILLION CONTRACT WILL IMPACT YOUR BITTER POOL.

THAT SAID, THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE DID THIS BID.

THE THE TABULATION IS POSTED. THE NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE.

IF WE BUNDLE IT WITH A LARGER JOB, THEN OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT EVERYBODY BID ON UNIT 44 AND ALL THE ASSOCIATED ROADS.

IT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY IF I'M REALLY GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO COUNSEL.

AT THIS POINT, I WOULD DEFER TO MR. BRINKLEY, BUT I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO AWARD THIS PROJECT AND MOVE FORWARD.

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AS PART OF THE PAUSE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY INSTRUCTED US TO TAKE TO REVISIT THE PROCUREMENT STRATEGY.

THANK YOU KEVIN. THAT'S ACCURATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. GREAT RECOLLECTION, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP TO.

I REMEMBER THE EARLY CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE HAD THE GROUP MEETINGS WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD OUT ON THE FLOOR.

THAT WAS THAT WAS THE TOPIC IN THE WORKSHOPS.

WHAT WERE WE GOING TO DO? HOW WERE WE GOING TO BUNDLE IT? I'M ACTUALLY I'M WITH YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. I'M I'M GOOD WITH PAUSING ON THIS AS WELL.

AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT MORE WE CAN DO WITH THE 10 MILLION IF WE'RE ABLE TO JUST BRING IT ALL BACK AND WE'RE BRINGING 20 MILLION OR HOWEVER MUCH.

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE YOU HERE NOW, SIR. SO I.

I'M MORE CONFIDENT THAN STAFF. BUT WITH US, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN PAUSE ON THIS.

WHAT'S THE RUSH TO ME IS WHAT I FEEL, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S. I'M. I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL, BUT I THINK KEVIN JUST.

AND I HEAR YOU BECAUSE THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST WITH THE, YOU KNOW, BUNDLING IT AND THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES.

BUT I WANT TO HEAR AGAIN. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO KEVIN, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST GETTING KNEE DEEP INTO THIS, AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AT THIS POINT.

NO. THAT'S ACCURATE. MAYOR. AND MY INITIAL REACTION COMING ON WAS TO TO SAY, LET'S STOP EVERYTHING AND ASSESS THE THE ROADS IN THIS AREA ARE IN A CONDITION THAT I FELT COMFORTABLE WITH TRUSTING THE PROCESS THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY OCCURRED AND GETTING THIS PROJECT DONE.

WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY LESS EXPENSIVE IN THE FUTURE, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY KNOWING THAT, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO END UP DOING THIS ANYWAYS IN THIS AREA.

SO I FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ACTUALLY FEELS KIND OF FORTUITOUS, THE TIMING ON IT.

AND ESPECIALLY LIKE, SINCE IT WAS ALREADY HAD ALREADY BEEN BID OUT, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, AT LEAST WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.

WE CAN PAUSE AND THEN REASSESS EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING QUITE IN THAT AS BAD AS 44.

SO THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO MAYBE GET A CPI IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR, POSSIBLY EVEN WITH THESE FUNDS IF COUNCIL SEES FIT.

SO YES, I DO THINK THAT 44 WARRANTS MOVING FORWARD.

I TRUST THE PROCESS THAT HAS OCCURRED AND GOT US TO THIS POINT, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO INVESTIGATE IT BEFORE PUTTING A STAMP ON IT FORWARD.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, KEVIN. AND A DIFFERENT FACTOR THAT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE OVERLOOKED AT THIS POINT IS IT'S JUST GOING TO GET MORE EXPENSIVE RIGHT, IN HOLDING DOWN. SO I APPRECIATE YOU CANVASSER.

AND AND WE MISS HAVING A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. THANK YOU SIR. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS DEPUTY MAYOR ON THIS SIDE? YEAH, WE GOT BILL BATTEN, MASTER CHIEF. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO BRING UP ON THIS ONE.

SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE EXPENDITURE OF THE GOLD ROAD BOND.

WHEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MADE A STATEMENT OF WHY DID WE PAVED ROADS THAT ONLY HAD THREE HOUSES ON THEM? WELL, I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE ROADS THAT ONLY HAD THREE HOUSES ON IT.

WHEN I MOVED TO PALM BAY, I MOVED ON TO A STREET THAT WAS PAVED.

BY THE TIME WE GOT THE ROAD BOND IN HERE TO THE CITY TO BE VOTED ON BY THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE FINALLY WILLING TO INVEST THEIR MONEY.

I GOT A PAVED ROAD, BUT PRIOR TO GETTING MY ROAD PAVED, IT WENT FROM A PAVED ROAD TO A GRADED ROAD, TO BUMPER TO DUMPING SAND ON IT AND SMOOTHING IT.

THAT'S WHAT IT WENT TO. BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NOW THAT WE GOT THAT PAVED ROAD REPAIRED, GUESS WHAT? IT. MY LOTS ARE BUMPING OUT LEFT AND RIGHT NOW WITH HOUSES DEVELOPING AND COMING IN.

IT BOOSTED THE DEVELOPMENT GREATLY. IT WASN'T THE INITIAL COST.

IT WAS A GOOD INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY THAT PROMOTED GROWTH ON THE ROADS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE MAJOR COMPLEXES COME IN AND PUDS DEVELOPED. IT GAVE THE CITY OF PALM BAY THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THEIR SCATTER LOTS, WHERE PEOPLE FELT HAPPY TO LIVE IN PALM BAY.

THAT'S WHAT IT ACCOMPLISHED. THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, WE STARTED OUT WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS PROGRAM WITH THE GOAL ROADS.

WE STARTED OUT IN PHASES PHASE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.

AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, THE PHASES ARE TAKING LONGER.

SO INSTEAD OF CALLING THEM PHASES WE'RE NOW GOING TO CALL THEM YEARS IN ANTICIPATION OF HOW LONG IT WAS GOING TO TAKE.

WE ANTICIPATED EIGHT YEARS FOR THE PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED, AND THEN WE DIVIDED IT UP ACCORDINGLY.

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RIGHT? NOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ONE IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF YOU DO PAUSE THIS? IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.

BUT WITH THAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SCATTER LOTS WHERE WE GO THROUGH AND TAKE THE ROAD, EACH ROAD AND LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY AGAIN SAYING, OKAY, NOW OUT OF THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ROADS THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE NOW GOING TO SAY THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD OR COMMUNITY OF ROADS, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT IT.

RIGHT. SO WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE.

WE'RE JUST THINKING ABOUT, WELL, LET'S JUST UTILIZE THE LAST OF THE MONEY.

BUT THE POOR PERSON THAT'S BEEN PAYING TAXES AND THOUGHT THEY WERE ON OR PAYING FOR IT, THOUGHT THEY WERE ON THERE NEXT YEAR TO BE PAVED.

AND NOW YOU'RE CONSIDERING. SORRY, MATE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME THREE TIMES.

I PAID INTO THE ROADS AND I NEVER GOT A ROAD UNTIL THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, MA'AM. OKAY, COUNCILMAN. I NEED A MOTION.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ITEM.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY. GENTLEMAN DISCUSSION. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

OKAY. SO I, I AM THE ONE THAT ASKED INITIALLY TO TO PAUSE THE FUNDING.

BUT AS A, AS A WE KIND OF AGREED ON WE SAID, FIRST OFF YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF IN THE WORKS WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH. AND THEN THEY TOOK THE TIME TO GO KIND OF FIND LIKE THE WORST AREA.

THAT, THAT WE REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. SO THERE IS A GIVE AND TAKE WHERE I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB WITH SPENDING THIS MONEY, AND I WANT TO EVENTUALLY MOVE IT INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

BUT SINCE WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF COMMITTED IN THIS DIRECTION AND WE WENT AND FOUND AN AREA THAT REALLY, REALLY NEEDS IT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT PASSING IT TONIGHT.

YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE PAUSE WAS SIGNIFICANT, AND I CONCURRED WITH THAT.

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. I'M, I'M JUST AT A POINT WHERE REASSURING OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR DIRECTOR TO PAUSE IS IS GREAT, BUT THIS THIS PAUSE SHOULDN'T AFFECT THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW I DO. CREDIT DEPUTY MAYOR FOR HIS THOUGHT PROCESS OF BUNDLING AND INCREASING THE POOL.

BUT MY CONCERNS ARE THAT IT'S SO FAR DOWNRANGE THAT IT'S GOING TO WIND UP COSTING US A LOT MORE THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE CONTRACT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

MADAM MOSCONI, EVERYBODY SEES THE THE BIDDING PROJECT.

WE'VE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO THERE THERE'S THEY'RE HITTING THE SAME MARK AT THE SAME TIME.

BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S HOW THE BIDDING PROCESS GOES.

IT'S JUST A LIMITED POOL. LIKE YOU SAID, DEPUTY MAYOR.

BUT THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN HAMMER, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU. YES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS CONCERNED OF WHEN COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN FIRST BROUGHT IT UP WAS BEFORE WE MOVED FORWARD.

WE WERE ASSESSING NOT ONLY THE QUALITY OF THE ROADS THAT WERE DONE BEFORE, BUT THE PRIORITIES.

AND I KNOW UNIT 44 IS ONE OF THE WORST ONES. IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN DOWN WAKE FOREST.

IT'S HORRIBLE. I'M GOING TO BE AGREEMENT MOVING FORWARD, BUT I DO I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ASSESSED WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PAST AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FALLING INTO THAT AGAIN.

MISTER. KEVIN, DID YOU GET THAT INTEL FROM COUNCILMAN HAMMER? YEAH, I THINK A PCI REPORT, AN UPDATED PCI WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO TELLING US WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE AND HELP US PLANNING OUT THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH, I'M STILL GOING TO BE AGAINST IT TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, I THINK THE MOBILIZATION COST IS WAY TOO HIGH. 7% OF THE VALUE OF THE CONTRACT IS IS WAY TOO HIGH FOR MOBILIZATION. I THINK THE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC AT 400,000 IS, IS WAY TOO HIGH.

AND AND NOT SEEING ANY HISTORICAL DATA FROM UNITS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.

I JUST I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE IDEA TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGUAGE, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

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SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY, NAY. SO ROLL CALL.

YOU MADE THE MOTION. YOU SWITCHED. YEAH. SO DEPUTY MAYOR BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS.

SO IT'S ONE. SO A 4 TO 1. WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE? NO. WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE, COUNCILMAN HAMMER? YEAH.

SO MOTION FAILS. 2 TO 3. 2 TO 3. OKAY, WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MISTER MOSCONI. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AS YOU RECALL, A FEW MEETINGS AGO, WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT WE OUTSOURCE OUR CITY ENGINEER SERVICES.

SIMILARLY, WE OUTSOURCE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER SERVICE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

STAFF IS REQUESTING TO INCREASE OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTING.

TASK ORDER FROM 100,000 TO 130,000 STAFF SUPPORTS THIS REQUEST.

IT'S WELL UNDER WHAT WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL.

BUT ALSO THIS WILL ALLOW MR. BRINKLEY SOME TIME TO ASSESS THE STRATEGIES WE'VE HAD.

THE POSITION HAS BEEN ADVERTISED SINCE SEPTEMBER 2024.

COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF OUTSOURCING VERSUS ALTERNATIVE RECRUITING EFFORTS.

LOOK AT THE PAY SCALE. OTHER AGENCY BEST PRACTICES.

AND WORK WITH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MA'AM. I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PROCUREMENT. ITEM NUMBER THREE. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER TWO.

MADAM SMITH ORDINANCE 2025 DASH 32 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE FIVE, LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 51 PUBLIC HEARINGS BY INCLUDING ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS FOR TIME LIMITS OF PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MISS JONES? YES.

THANK YOU. THIS REQUEST WAS MADE BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

BASICALLY, IN OUR UNDER OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE ONLY ITEMS THAT HAVE A TIME LIMIT ARE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS AND ANY ITEMS THAT FALL UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO BASICALLY, THIS ADDS TO THE CONFUSION OF WHEN PEOPLE RAISE THEIR HAND WHEN PEOPLE FILL OUT CARDS.

SO WE DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT TIME LIMITS FOR ALL OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL SUBMIT A CARD. THANK YOU.

DEPUTY MAYOR CARMEN CARDS. YEAH, I MEAN, MY. WHEN I BROUGHT UP TO STAFF ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, I WASN'T REALLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE FILLING OUT SPEAKER CARDS AS AS THERE WAS ITEMS PEOPLE WERE COMING UP TO SPEAK ON, AND THERE WAS NO CLOCK. THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD.

SO I JUST WANTED A CLOCK TO LIMIT. SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COULD SPEAK FOR THREE HOURS.

RIGHT. SO I WASN'T NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR MORE FOR MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

I STILL FEEL LIKE THE AMERICAN DOES CALL PEOPLE FROM THE AUDIENCE, BUT JUST ITEMS THAT DON'T THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CLOCK.

JUST. THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR ON THE NIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S JUST THE TIMING OF IT, RIGHT? WE ELIMINATED THE BROADCASTING, SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT ANY POINT.

SPEAKER CARDS. BILL. BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTH SOUTHWEST.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PACKET AND WE HAD THE HIGHLIGHTED WHERE THE CHANGE WERE.

IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS SAID, HERE'S WHO'S GOING TO TALK. HERE'S MUCH TIME. YOU GET IT HIGHLIGHTED.

ALL OF THOSE CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO BE. BUT WE'RE NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT TO BE.

WAS IT THE LIGHT? WAS IT THE CONFUSION. BUT IN THE IN THE SUMMARIES THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU SAW THAT IT WAS GOING.

NOT IN THE SUMMARY OF THE TOPIC, BUT IN THE SUMMARY OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION WAS WHERE YOU SAW THAT EVERY EVERY ITEM UNDER PUBLIC HEARING, IF A PERSON WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT, WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST RAISE THEIR HAND.

WHEN THEY HEAR THE CONVERSATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT AN ORANGE CARD.

THAT'S WHERE THE CONFLICT WAS. AND I AGREE WITH OPTICS.

YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE HEADED, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.

BUT UNDER THE OPTICS, I AGREE THAT IT LOOKED JUST LIKE, WELL, LET'S JUST MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET UP AND ADDRESS THEIR GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S OPTICS ONLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE PACKET,

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RUTH CAULFIELD, 935 DOUGLAS STREET, SOUTHEAST.

NOW THIS ONE, THIS LITTLE PRETTY PICTURE THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN HERE ON THE TIME LIMITS IS VERY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SPEAK WHO ARE AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED, AND JUST WANT TO SILENCE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED.

AND YOU WANT TO JUST CUT COMMENTS OF THE PUBLIC ALL THE WAY DOWN NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS NOW.

OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN THE CITY ATTORNEY CLARIFY THAT? MADAM ATTORNEY, THE AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTIES ARE GOING TO BE PARTIES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT HEARINGS, AND THAT SECTION ISN'T BEING CHANGED. WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES LIKE.

WELL, THERE'LL BE PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE MAY BE A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO A, C, D THOSE ARE UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING FORTH FOR A GRANT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

THEY CAN SPEAK UNTIL THEY EITHER GET TIRED OR UNTIL THE MAYOR TELLS THEM TO STOP BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO TIME LIMITS.

SO YOU'LL HAVE, LIKE MOST OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ARE GOING TO BE LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT AREN'T LAND DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU SEE PEOPLE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE COME HERE A LOT OF TIMES, AND THEY'LL JUST STOP AFTER THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST IN THE HABIT.

AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THERE IS NO TIME.

AND THEY WILL GO ON AND ON AND ON. AND I THINK THIS IS A WELL, IN MOST CASES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THE ACTUAL APPLICANT THAT ARE JUST PROVIDING COMMENT. MOST TIMES IT IS APPROPRIATE, I THINK, IS THE INTENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO ALSO HAVE THREE MINUTES, WHETHER IT'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SEED OR WHATEVER ELSE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

THANK YOU MA'AM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. SO WE NEED. I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE ORDINANCE 20 2532, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REQUIRING SPEAKER CARDS.

SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. DEPUTY MAYOR. NO. MAYOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

NO, SIR. SO THIS IS WHERE I'M AT. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OPTICS.

I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA. PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE STARTED IN THAT REGARD, BUT IT'S JUST THE OPTICS AND THE TIMING OF EVERYTHING.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. PERHAPS THREE MINUTES SHOULD SUFFICE.

AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

DEPUTY MAYOR. AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S JUST IT'S ABOUT THE OPTICS FOR ME RIGHT NOW.

SO I. I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS RIGHT NOW. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE, AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. NAY. NAY.

PASSES 4 TO 1. WE'RE NOW ON COUNCIL REPORTS. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

SO I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER. BUT I DO JUST WANT TO WANT TO GIVE ALL CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

WE WENT TO A RIBBON CUTTING FOR L3 HARRIS THIS MORNING, AND THE MAYOR HAD A PHENOMENAL SPEECH WITH THE CEO OF L3.

HARRIS WAS SO MOTIVATING, IT MADE ME GO GET MY HIGH AND TIGHT HAIRCUT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT. THAT WAS REALLY AWESOME THIS MORNING.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING TO GIVE KIND OF AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL IN THE PUBLIC.

I BELIEVE LAST MEETING WE GAVE CONSENSUS TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO SEND AN OFFICIAL LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO FLORIDA DOGE AND FORMALLY INVITE THEM.

SO WE WE DID THAT. I WORKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE OFFICIALLY SENT THAT LETTER OUT TODAY.

SO THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICERS OFFICE IS IS AWARE OF IT.

AND I'LL JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS, IT'S NOT A LONG LETTER, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT REAL QUICK.

DEAR CHIEF, DEAR CFO AND GLORIA, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, I AM PLEASED TO EXTEND YOU A WARM AND ENTHUSIASTIC INVITATION TO VISIT OUR COMMUNITY AS FLORIDA DODGE AND THE FAF WORKING GROUP, PALM BAY HAS RECENTLY WELCOMED A NEW CITY COUNCIL WITH A RENEWED FOCUS ON ACCOUNTABILITY,

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WE ARE ALSO LAUNCHING A SELF AUDIT AND DOGE INITIATIVE BASED OFF YOUR, YOURS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MANDATES TO STRENGTHEN TRANSPARENCY AND PERFORMANCE ACROSS ALL CITY OPERATIONS. OUR COUNCIL DEEPLY VALUES THE IMPORTANT WORK YOU ARE LEADING AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND RECOGNIZES THE POSITIVE IMPACT OF YOUR EFFORTS TO SAFEGUARD TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND PROMOTE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

WE SHARE YOUR VISION FOR MORE EFFICIENT, ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT AND BELIEVE PALM BAY IS AN IDEAL PARTNER FOR ADVANCING THESE GOALS.

WE WOULD BE HONORED TO HOST YOU AND YOUR TEAM, AND EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE WITH OUR DEDICATED STAFF AND BRING FORWARD BETTER IDEAS, FRESH PERSPECTIVES, AND ENHANCE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR RESIDENTS.

WE HOPE YOU WILL ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO JOIN US IN PALM BAY YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE.

ETC. ETC. SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD, AND WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THEY REACH BACK OUT TO US AND SAY, WE'RE SENDING A TEAM IN, AND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS AND TELL THEM OUR THOUGHTS AND SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE EFFICIENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FORWARD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMAN HAMMER, YOUR REPORTS.

I'M GOING TO KEEP IT SHORT THIS TIME. I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY THERE.

I'M UNDER THE WEATHER, AND I DO NOT WANT TO INFLICT THIS ON ANYBODY THERE.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOU GUYS AND EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YES, MAYOR. TWO THINGS.

ONE, IF TO THE POINT OF I THINK IT WAS PROFESSIONAL GRADE THAT WAS HERE.

IF WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO FLORIDA BUILDING FLORIDA BUILDING CODE VERSUS I DIDN'T WANT TO GO INTO BACK AND FORTH AT THAT POINT, BUT FLORIDA FBC VERSUS IBC AND WHAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO IT NOW IF STAFF CAN JUST.

BUT MR. PEARSON GAVE US THE THUMBS UP SO YEAH.

OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE.

LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. I DID LET STAFF KNOW, AND I LET THEM KNOW MY STANCE ON THE BUDGET.

IF HE CAN PULL UP I THINK HE'S PULLING UP NOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE THE OATH WITH THE CITY, WE ALSO I HAVE A COVENANT WITH MY WIFE, AND WE SAY IN SICKNESS AND IN HEALTH. AND WITH THAT LAST YEAR, SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH SOMETHING.

I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO IT NOW, BUT WE WE WERE BLESSED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY.

IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OF A LITTLE CITY CALLED THOMAS.

NOT EVEN CITY. TOWN. THOMASTON, GEORGIA. POPULATION 9000 PEOPLE.

BUT THIS GENTLEMAN, DOCTOR HENRY. RIGHT. HE FOUND THAT A MAJORITY OF DISEASES THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THEIR LINEAGE ACTUALLY COMES FROM LIKE A SPIRITUAL ROOT WHERE PEOPLE SAY, CANCER RUNS IN MY FAMILY OR THIS RUNS IN MY FAMILY IS USUALLY AN INIQUITY OR AN INFIRMITY THAT COMES FROM GENERATIONS TO GENERATIONS.

AND THIS ORGANIZATION BEING HEALTHY. THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

SO I TOLD THEM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PLATFORM FOR ME TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER.

BUT IF THIS JUST CHANGES TO THE LIVES OF ONE PERSON, THEN SO BE IT.

I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST GOING UP THERE FOR HER HEALING, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL HEALING FOR MYSELF, TOO. SO I'LL BE BLUNT ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS TIMES WHEN I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT ACTUALLY HIT ME.

LIKE IN REGARDS TO BITTERNESS AND ANGUISH AND THINGS, YOU TAKE ON UNLOVING LOVING PRIDE, STUFF LIKE THAT.

CONVERSATIONS THAT WE AS HUMAN BEINGS DON'T LIKE HAVING.

THEY GOT INTO THE WEEDS OF IT, AND WE'RE ABLE TO HELP YOU GIVE IT TO GOD SO HE CAN UPROOT IT AND REPLACE IT WITH HIS LOVE.

SO I JUST WANT TO SHARE THIS ONE VIDEO WE WON'T HAVE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO SHARE THE SECOND VIDEO BECAUSE I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF TIME.

BUT WE'LL DO THIS VIDEO JUST IN CASE IT MAY REACH ONE PERSON WATCHING.

IF NOT, WE'LL KEEP IT MOVING. HI, I'M PASTOR SCOTT HARPER, AND WELCOME TO BEING HEALTH.

WE'RE IN MINISTRY OF HOPE OF THE GENERATIONS CHURCH HERE IN THOMASTON, GEORGIA.

YOU'RE MOST LIKELY HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY TRIED EVERYTHING THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN FIGURE OUT UNDERNEATH THE SUN, AND NOTHING HAS WORKED. OR MAYBE SOME FRIEND OR FAMILY SAID, HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO CHECK OUT BEING HOME.

OR MAYBE YOU GOT AHOLD OF THE BOOK OF MORE EXCELLENT WAY BY DOCTOR HENRY WRIGHT, AND YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION.

YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT SPOT. OUR WEBSITE IS FULL OF CONTENT FOR ANYONE AND EVERYONE.

ALL OF OUR TEACHINGS ARE BASED ON THE WORD OF GOD.

ALL WE DO IS PRESENT YOU WITH TRUTH. WHAT YOU DO WITH IT FROM THAT POINT ON IS UP TO YOU.

THERE IS NO GIMMICKS. THERE IS NOTHING YOU HAVE TO PERFORM OR DO.

YOU JUST HAVE TO HEAR IT. APPLY IT. THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF THE WORD OF GOD INTO YOUR LIFE TO PROVIDE FREEDOM, TO PROVIDE CHANGE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD.

ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I'D LIKE TO CONNECT WITH YOU ABOUT IS OUR FOR MY LIFE RETREAT.

IT'S A WEEK LONG CHANCE FOR YOU TO COME SIT HERE, TO GET AWAY FROM THE THINGS THAT DISTRACT YOU,

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YOU KNOW, THE THE DAY BY DAY AND PIECES OF LIFE THAT GET US DISTRACTED FROM THE WORD OF GOD.

NOW ALL THE RESOURCES AND EVERYTHING ARE GREAT, BUT TO GIVE YOU A LINE UPON LINE, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, AS THE WORD OF GOD SPEAKS. YOU GOT TO COME HANG OUT WITH US FOR A WEEK.

NOW, MAYBE YOU CAN'T. MAYBE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW FOR YOU TO DO THAT.

THEN WE DO OFFER IT ONLINE AND IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE, BUT THAT'S JUST A STOPGAP UNTIL YOU CAN COME SPEND A WEEK WITH US SO WE CAN LOVE ON YOU SO WE CAN SHOW YOU GOD'S LOVE IN YOUR LIFE SO YOU CAN REALLY, TRULY HAVE A WEEK AWAY FOR YOUR LIFE.

PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO ATTEND THE FOUR OF MY LIFE RETREATS, AND WE OFFER IT YEAR ROUND.

WE OFFER IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO SCHEDULE TO COME AND VISIT US.

ALLOW US TO SERVE YOU WHILE YOU'RE HERE. SO WITH THAT, I HOPE TO SEE YOU SOON.

GOD BLESS. SO? SO THAT'S IT. MARY, THE WEBSITE IS BEING HEALTH COMM.

CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. REFER A FRIEND OR SOMEBODY WHO YOU KNOW IS DEALING WITH STUFF THEY FEEL VETERANS OF PTSD, OF PEOPLE OF ANXIETY, CANCER. LIKE YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT IT RIGHT THERE.

DEPRESSION, LACK OF IDENTITY, OCCULTISM THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO JUST WANTING TO PUT THE INFORMATION OUT THERE, USE THIS PLATFORM TO DO SO, AND THAT'S IT.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT, DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST TWO ITEMS I'D LIKE TO TALK TALK ABOUT IS PRESENTING A COUPLE OF ORDINANCES.

ONE IS REGARDING STORMWATER FEES FOR FOR PROPERTIES WITH AN AG EXEMPTION.

SOME THAT I'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF ON BRINGING BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING. AND THE SECOND ONE IS OUR ORDINANCE ON FORECLOSURE REGISTRATION.

HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT I'M LOOKING TO REMOVE THE VACANCY REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE ON THE REGISTRY.

FORECLOSURES. WE'RE FOURTH RIGHT NOW IN THE IN THE IN THE COUNTRY AND FORECLOSURES.

AND THE WAY THE WAY OUR REGISTRY WORKS IS THE HOME HAS TO BE IN FORECLOSURE, AND IT HAS TO BE VACANT FOR 90 DAYS.

AND MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FORECLOSURE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THEIR HOMES. SO I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THE VACANCY REQUIREMENT ON THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE.

AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THOSE HOMES TO BE PUT ON THE REGISTRY SOONER, AND THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY START COLLECTING REVENUE ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

YEAH. I WAS TALKING WITH C.J.. IS THIS THE SAME THING? YES. SO, YEAH, I HAD ALREADY SPOKEN WITH MATTHEW MORTON REGARDING THIS, SO I'M, I'M REALLY GUNG HO ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ACTUALLY TAP INTO SOME A STREAM FINANCIAL STREAM.

SO. YES, SIR. I DON'T MIND TAPPING INTO THAT WITH YOU GUYS.

BECAUSE I DID BRING THIS UP TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORTS OR DID YOU HAVE I MEAN, THE OTHER ISSUE IS LIKE, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHEN THE HOME IS VACANT? YEAH, RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S A FORECLOSURE PERIOD, AND IT'S IN FORECLOSURE.

YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT? IT'S VACANT AND VACANT FOR 90 DAYS, RIGHT? THE STAFF'S TIME TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE CODE MAY BE RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL START OFF MY COMMENTS WITH AN OUTSTANDING DEDICATION FOR SERGEANT FRANK TOVAR CHIEF. AND THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND FROM NEAR AND FAR, WE HAD RETIREES COME. PATRICIA TOVAR WAS SUCH AN OUTSTANDING SPEAKER AT THAT DEDICATION AND GENTLEMAN SACRIFICE PARK IS WORTHY OF THAT SACRIFICE.

AND I'M I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT ALL THE FAMILIES, ALL THE RETIREES, EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT CAME FROM NEAR AND FAR THEY REALLY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT FRANK WAS PLACED ON THEIR WALL.

HE'LL ALWAYS BE ETCHED IN THE MEMORY OF SERVICE FOR THIS GREAT CITY.

SO I WAS REALLY I WAS REALLY TAKEN ABACK BY THAT.

THEN I, I WANTED TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

YES, I DO LOVE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, THEY.

THEY ACTUALLY WERE AT A STRUCTURE FIRE NOT FAR FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WHERE THERE WAS A LOSS OF LIFE. SO WE WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND, AND THE FACT OF THEIR MENTAL HEALTH. CHIEF.

JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE, ARE TAKEN CARE OF IN THAT REGARD. I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SOME PETS THAT ALSO PERISHED IN THAT STRUCTURE.

FIRE. AND THEN TO COUNCILMAN LANDRUM. AND IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR US TO TO ACTUALLY CELEBRATE WITH L3 HARRIS. MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY GIVEN THEM A TAX ABATEMENT.

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AND RIGHT HERE IN THIS GREAT CITY OF PALM BAY, THAT MANUFACTURING WILL HAPPEN AT L3.

HARRIS. SO I WAS EXCITED. AND YES, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, I GOT MOTIVATED BECAUSE THIS SMALL CITY OF OF 150,000 ARE ACTUALLY WORKING TOWARDS OUR CITIZENS WILL HAVE THEIR HANDS ON PROTECTING THIS NATION ON A, ON SUCH A HUGE NATION TO NATION. SO, YES I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT L3 HARRIS IS DOING.

AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, THAT THEY WILL BE DEALING WITH RECRUITING SOME OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO GET THEM IN THAT WORK ENVIRONMENT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE.

THEY COULD GET GREAT PAYING JOBS RIGHT HERE IN PALM BAY, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR GOAL.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT L3. HARRIS. THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN OUR CITY.

THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. MADAME MOSCONI, THANK YOU.

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS:]

ONE, AS OUR LOBBYIST MENTIONED, THE BREVARD LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 30TH.

ALTHOUGH HISTORICALLY OUR CITY MANAGER HAS PROVIDED THOSE COMMENTS, GENERALLY, THE OTHER AGENCIES AND MUNICIPALITIES DO HAVE THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS PRESENT. AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT.

MAYOR, IF YOU ARE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AT THAT MEETING, THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S REQUEST. YES, MA'AM. I'LL DO IT.

AND I'LL TRY TO MOTIVATE THE THE THE LEGISLATORS WILL WEAR A COSTUME LIKE A FORMER COMMISSIONER.

NO, MA'AM. I WILL NOT WEAR A COSTUME. I DON'T I TAKE I TAKE OUR JOB SERIOUSLY TO TO WEAR COSTUMES.

I THINK THAT'S A FORM OF DISRESPECT, MA'AM. THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP.

I'VE UPDATED A FEW OF YOU, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT.

EVANS CENTER. EVANS CENTER HAD A PROPOSAL. THE.

AS YOU RECALL, THE SINGLE PROPOSAL WE RECEIVED WAS FROM CLUB ESTEEM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH METCO AND CRIA FOR VOCATIONAL YOUTH PROGRAMING.

CLUB ESTEEM WAS THE PRIMARY SUBMITTED FIRM. IT WAS THEIR FINANCIALS WE EVALUATED.

UNFORTUNATELY, CLUB ESTEEM DID WITHDRAW. THEIR BOARD DID NOT APPROVE THE LEASE.

HAD A GREAT ALL HANDS BRAND BRAINSTORMING SESSION WITH STAFF.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET COUNCIL CONSENSUS IS, IS WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE RFA BACK OUT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, CLARIFY THAT ALL THE UTILITIES REQUIREMENTS ARE IN FACT THE TENANTS RESPONSIBILITY.

BECAUSE APPARENTLY THERE WASN'T ENOUGH CLARITY THERE.

WE HAD A $1,000 LIMIT FOR REPAIRS IN THE LEASE.

WE COULD MAKE THAT HIGHER IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, BUT ALSO, WE WANT TO BROADEN IT TO OTHER OPTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, KOREA AND METCO WOULD BOTH BE ABLE TO STILL SUBMIT.

WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOUTH PROGRAMS. WE KNOW THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB HAS APPROACHED THE CITY.

WE KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A PARTNERSHIP SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE YMCA.

AGING MATTERS WAS HERE TONIGHT. WE ALREADY ALLOW THEM TO USE THE CAPTAIN'S HOUSE TO PROVIDE SENIORS AT LUNCH.

PROGRAM THERE. WE'VE TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT HAVING A SPACE FOR NOT ONLY COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT POSSIBLY FOR THE EXPLORERS PROGRAM, WHICH IS TIMELY BECAUSE OF OFFICER TOW BARS.

MEMORIAL SERVICE ON WEDNESDAY. WE WANT TO BROADEN IT.

WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST THERE.

AND THEN ALONG THOSE SAME LINES. MR. WAITE HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY EVENT AT DRISCOLL PARK? HE'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED A DATE, WHICH I CAN GET TO YOU ALL.

AND THEN WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. WELL, WE WILL WORK WITH MISS CONNIE.

MAKE SURE SHE CAN HELP SPREAD THE WORD. AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY IN DRISCOLL HEIGHTS.

WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO SEE THERE AS WELL? SO THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL FOR YOU ALL.

BUT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, WE WANTED CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO BUZZ.

YES, MAYOR. WELL, IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE CLUB ESTEEM DOES GREAT WORK, BUT, HEY I KNOW I GOT I WAS GETTING BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IN CONTACT WITH STAFF, SO I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THAT. THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE FIRST COMMENT I MADE, BECAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY WANT TO BE IN A LOW INCOME AREA, WHICH THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD QUALIFY.

SO I'M DEFINITELY FINE WITH THE BROADENING THE SCOPE.

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WAS MISS TOOTY FROM MELBOURNE. MELBOURNE. POWELL.

SHE'S PART OF THE RECREATION, BUT SHE HANDLES THEIR POWELL PROGRAM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.

I KNOW DANIEL HAS A LOT ON HIS PLATE, AND I KNOW CHIEF I'M NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON YOUR PLATE, SO I'M SORRY, BUT MAYBE THE WAY THEY DID IT IN MELBOURNE, THEY HAD THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT LEAD, MELBOURNE POWELL, AND THEN THEIR POLICE OFFICERS GOT INVOLVED AS THEY COULD OR SOMETHING LIKE TO THAT.

SO THAT WAY THE CITY STILL WERE NOT DEPENDENT ON OUTSIDE PEOPLE WHO WANT US TO HAVE IT OR THEY WANT TO BE IN CONTROL OF IT, LIKE WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE SPEAK IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S THE CITY RUNNING IT, BUT WE JUST ALLOCATED IT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL WORK OR NOT, BUT I SEE HOW MELBOURNE DID IT.

BUT DEFINITELY I'M OKAY WITH EXPANDING IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON OR COUNCILMAN BENJAMIN.

THAT HAIRCUT GOT ME. I MEAN, MY. YEAH. IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS WE SHOULD SELL IT, BUT.

YEAH, I'M NOT SURE. WE CAN SELL IT BASED ON OUR, OUR HISTORY THERE.

SO I'LL. BEFORE YOU GO, JUST GO DOWN THAT RANGE.

I WANT US JUST TO BRIEF YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORY.

MISS MOSCONI, SO. YEAH, YEAH, I CAN I CAN GIVE YOU THIS HISTORY, BUT ALSO TELL YOU I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE ANSWER TO THAT.

SO AS PART OF THE EVANS CENTER AS A NONPROFIT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH NEIGHBOR UP HAD THREE DIFFERENT LIENS ON THE PROPERTY.

ONE, OF COURSE, FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY. AND THEN THEY HAD A STATE GRANT AND A FEDERAL GRANT.

AND READING THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE MEMOS. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE GRANTS WERE IN SOME WAY CONDITIONED UPON FORGIVENESS WAS CONDITIONED UPON THE CITY CONTINUING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF NONPROFIT SERVICE IN THERE.

HOWEVER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. MR. EDWARDS IS CURRENTLY RESEARCHING THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WE HAVEN'T FOUND AN ACTUAL DEED RESTRICTION.

SO WE NEED TO SPEAK TO THOSE GRANTING AGENCIES AND DEFINITIVELY GIVE YOU THE ANSWER ABOUT WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO REPAY THOSE LOANS IF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS TO INSTEAD SELL THEM IN CENTER.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU TONIGHT. OKAY.

COPY THAT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. OH, I'M GOOD, DEPUTY MAYOR.

OKAY, DEPUTY MAYOR, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN LANGMAN.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUGGESTIONS BY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SELLING OR WE'RE LOOKING AT RFP.

WHAT? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT DIRECTION DO WE GIVE? THEN LET'S SELL IT. THAT'S MY THAT'S MY SUGGESTION WITH COUNCILMAN. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER. I WOULD LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON IT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISION.

BUT WE ALSO GOT TO REMEMBER WHY IT'S CALLED THE EVANS CENTER.

MR. EVANS WAS BIG IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT WAS SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE COULD COME TOGETHER AT, AND I KIND OF WANT TO PRESERVE THAT. BUT ON THE BACK SIDE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A LOT TO COME UP WITH AT A, AT THE DROP OF A DIME. OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DIRECT YOU AT THIS POINT.

BUT I THINK THE, THE PART OF COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

JUST GIVE ME A SECOND. YES, SIR. I THINK THE PART THAT COUNCILMAN HAMMER JUST HIT ON THE HISTORY OF THAT AND THE VALLEY TO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AT THE SAME TIME.

ALL THE WHILE, THOUGH IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO SELL AND AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THESE PENALTIES, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT AMOUNT AND WHO.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WOULD PURCHASE IT. BUT WOULD THEY EVEN PRESERVE THAT TYPE OF HISTORY? SO RIGHT NOW WE WE ARE NOT GIVING YOU ANY DIRECTION IN AN RFP PROCESS.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GET FURTHER RESEARCH ON WHETHER YOU'RE ABLE TO SELL AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST DIRECTION WE CAN GIVE YOU AT THIS TIME.

MAYOR YES, I, I SEE, I SEE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR BRINGING THIS UP AT COUNCIL REPORTS.

WILL BE GLAD TO BRING YOU BACK AN AGENDA ITEM WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS, SO WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COULD AT LEAST BE LIKE AN RFI OR SOMETHING.

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WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE SOUTHERN BREVARD AREA, SO I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST. SO THE KIDS, THEY NEED SOMETHING, SO.

NO. I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING. AT THE SAME TIME, IF I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE DEVASTATING, RIGHT. IF WE WERE TO SAY IF WE WERE ABLE TO SELL.

AND SO I'M AT THE POINT WHERE WE JUST DEPENDS ON WANTING TO SELL THE BUILDING FOR.

YEAH. RIGHT. FOR AND AND WHAT PENALTIES THERE ARE.

YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW LET'S LOOK AT CAN WE DO THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TURN BECAUSE GO FROM THERE.

IS THAT ENOUGH MA'AM. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY COUNCIL REPORTS, MADAM SMITH? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.