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GOOD EVENING. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD AUGUST 27TH AT 6 P.M..
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IF WE CAN STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
IF WE CAN GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. JANE HIGGINS HERE, EILEEN CEP. YEAH. SUSAN CONNOLLY HERE, JESSICA LAVELLE, PRESENT.
REBECCA ZIEGLER HERE. WE HAVE QUORUM. THANK YOU.
NOW WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS FOR ANY NON-AGENDA ITEMS.
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JUST A REMINDER THAT SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.WE DO HAVE MR. HOOKE, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP, PLEASE.
IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HI, DOUG.
HOOK. 1091 MARIPOSA DRIVE, NORTHEAST. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE IMPORTANCE OF NATIVE PLANT TREES AND PLANTS AS IT RELATES TO PROPOSED CODE CHANGES THE CITY IS CONSIDERING. AS YOU'RE PROBABLY ALREADY AWARE, PALM BAY WAS ONCE NAMED A TREE CITY USA MEMBER BY THE ARBOR DAY FOUNDATION IN THE PAST.
IN PARTICULAR, NATIVE TREES SUCH AS OUR OAKS ARE SOME OF THE MOST VITAL COMPONENTS TO ECOLOGICAL SUSTAINABILITY, AND THE CITY SHOULD PUT OUTSIZED IMPORTANCE ON PROTECTING ESTABLISHED TREES.
CHANGES MADE IN THE PROPOSED CODE PROVIDES AN EXEMPTION ON TREE PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES UNDER ONE ACRE, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO EXEMPTIONS ON THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES IN THE CITY AND WOULD ALLOW FOR UNMITIGATED ECOLOGICAL IMPACT.
THIS CHANGE. IF THIS IS A CHANGE THAT WOULD HURT BOTH THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY, AS WELL AS THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE FOOD WEB, IT MAY NOT BE WIDELY KNOWN. BUT OAK TREES ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT KEYSTONE SPECIES IN AMERICA, HOSTING OVER 100 AND OR 430 KNOWN SPECIES OF CATERPILLARS IN THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES.
FOR EXAMPLE, OUR FOR COMPARISON, PINE TREES, THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT HOST APPROXIMATELY 340.
A 20% REDUCTION. FURTHERMORE, THE CHANGES IN THE CODE DO NOT STATE THE PALM TREES REMOVED ON PROPERTIES SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH NATIVE PALMS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE PALM TREES, SUCH AS THE QUEEN PALM, WHICH IS A POPULAR ORNAMENTAL TREE THAT IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED AN INVASIVE SPECIES IN FLORIDA. IT WOULD BE A SHAME FOR A CITY SYNONYMOUS WITH PALMS TO BE ENCOURAGING THE SPREAD OF INVASIVE PALM SPECIES WITHIN ITS CITY LIMITS.
THE CITY IS HOLDING A STAKEHOLDER MEETING TOMORROW MORNING DURING MOST CITIZEN'S WORKDAYS, AND IT IS STATED DURING THE MOST RECENT CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE MOST INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING ARE DEVELOPERS AND BUSINESSES AFFECTED BY THE CHANGES. ARGUABLY, HOWEVER, THE LARGEST STAKEHOLDERS WOULD ACTUALLY BE AFFECTED ARE THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE FUTURE HOME OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES PURCHASED AND THE CURRENT CITIZENS OF PALM BAY AT LARGE, WHO GREATLY BENEFIT FROM THE NUMEROUS BENEFITS MATURE NATIVE TREES PROVIDE.
I WOULD LIKE TO URGE THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THE BOARD OR THE CITY TO LOWER THE LAND SIZE EXEMPTION IN REGARDS TO EXEMPTING THE PROTECTION OF NATIVE TREES ON PROPERTIES SO THAT AND THAT PALM TREES THAT ARE CUT DOWN WOULD BE REPLACED WITH NEED OF TREES, SO THAT FEWER NATIVE TREES ARE REMOVED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE A CITY OF TREES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT THERE. MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK WITH WORTH DEVELOPMENT.
I'M NOT CERTAIN THE THE CHANGES THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT.
WELL, WE HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER HERE TONIGHT, TOO, THAT WE CAN ASK ABOUT THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE REVIEW OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO. VERY NICE. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO NEW BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST TOPIC HERE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW APPOINTEE.
YES. OH, I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CARD. COME ON UP.
DID THEY? SO DOES HE NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD? OH, THERE ARE NONE. THERE ARE NO THERE MORE. NO MORE COPIES.
OKAY, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE ONE IN THERE. THEY NORMALLY DON'T GET SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE MEETING, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ONE THERE UNDER THE ADDRESS I'LL MEET.
I'LL MEET THE NEW GUIDELINES FROM THE BOARD. I PROMISE YOU I WILL DO THAT.
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BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONFLICT THERE SOMEHOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WHAT THE AGENDA SCHEDULE CHANGE WAS.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT DIDN'T SAY IF THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET CAUGHT IN A BIND.
THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE GOLF COURSE PROJECT IS BEING PRESENTED ONE MORE TIME TO BE BROUGHT UP FOR POTENTIALLY REZONING AND BUILD OUT WITHIN THE GOLF COURSE. AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF THE SUSTAINABILITY NATURE, SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN IN PLAY THERE AND I CAN GIVE THE BOARD MY INPUT. AND THAT WAS DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING.
RIGHT. AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL JUST SPEAKING, HE SAID THAT IT WAS TOMORROW FOR THE STAKEHOLDER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE 29TH. JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT LATE WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE DATES? 29TH FOR THE STAKEHOLDERS MEETINGS? YES. FRIDAY, AUGUST 29TH, FROM 9 TO 11 AT CITY HALL.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. FOR NEW BUSINESS. THE INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW APPOINTEE EILEEN.
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SEP. IF YOU WANT TO DO AN INTRODUCTION OF YOURSELF.THANK YOU AND WELCOME. MOST OF YOU HERE KNOW ME ALREADY.
OKAY? MOST OF YOU KNOW ME ALREADY. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.
AND I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE A PERSPECTIVE TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY IN THIS CITY.
IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING. IT IN THE LONG RUN. AND IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, IT CAN MAKE THINGS BETTER.
SO THAT'S MY HOPE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS TO JUST DO A RECAP OF THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN AND OUR FUTURE PLANS. MADAM CHAIRPERSON, IF I COULD SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE GET INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO SPEAKING BACK ON THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE ON AUGUST 7TH, IT WAS A VALIANT EFFORT PUTTING THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD ACTION PLAN OUT THERE FOR THEIR REVIEW. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DEEMED NECESSARY OR NEEDED AT THIS TIME, GIVEN THAT BUILDING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT HAVE A LOT OF THESE LID ELEMENTS KIND OF COVERED.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN THE CONCERN WITH STAFF COSTS, UTILITY COSTS FOR THE MEETING, AND THEY'VE KIND OF SHRINK YOUR ROLE DOWN TO BEING A TASK ADVISORY BOARD, JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE, GIVE THE PROJECTS OUT.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD RECOMMEND NO FURTHER WORK BE DONE ON THE ACTION PLAN AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON WHAT WAS SAID AT THAT MEETING, WHICH THE MOST COMMON WORD THAT WAS SPOKEN WAS PERMEABLE CONCRETE.
SO IT WAS IT WAS THE MOST SPOKEN WORD AS FAR AS IDEAS GO, FOR TASKS THAT YOU CAN LOOK INTO, PROJECTS THAT WE CAN GET STARTED ON. SO MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T GET RID OF THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN OR CALL IT A LOST CAUSE.
AT THIS POINT, I WOULD JUST KIND OF PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, JUST KIND OF SHIFT FOCUS TO POSSIBLY DOING SOME RESEARCH ON PERMEABLE CONCRETE TO TAKE TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND MAYBE PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT WILL GET THEM ON BOARD WITH WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS BEING THERE, TOO. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS SICK AND WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, BUT I DID WATCH THE VIDEO AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I STILL FELT THAT THERE'S HOPE IN THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOME WORDING AND LANGUAGE AND SOME GAPS, SOME QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE FILLED WITH, I THINK, A LITTLE, LITTLE HELP FROM CITY STAFF TO KIND OF BE THAT LIAISON BETWEEN COUNCIL AND US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS.
BUT THAT THAT'S MY OPINION. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, IN ALIGNMENT WITH STAFF.
BECAUSE I DID HEAR THAT AND THEN I HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT VERSION WASN'T, WAS A NO GO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM FROM THE MEETING.
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NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT INCORRECT.BUT THE. I WILL SAY SO THE ACTION PLAN HAD VERBIAGE THAT THEY WEREN'T READY TO ACCEPT YET AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE IT WAS PROPOSED THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER FOR THE COUNCIL TO ASSIGN NEW TASKS THAN IT WOULDN'T.
THE ACTION PLAN WOULDN'T BE NEEDED IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVEN TASKS DIRECTLY FROM COUNCIL.
AGAIN, AND THIS IS THIS IS YOUR DECISION. IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION.
IT'S JUST THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AT THIS POINT, BASED ON WHAT WAS SAID AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF HIGHLIGHT GIVEN TO COST OF THE CITY, COST FOR, YOU KNOW, TO RUN THE MEETING STAFF COSTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE AND THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.
ABSOLUTELY. WHERE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS STAND.
I MEAN, I STILL KIND OF RECOMMEND THAT WE ALIGN BETTER WITH COUNCIL.
I MEAN, THERE'S THERE WAS WORDING AND LANGUAGE.
I THINK THAT COULD, IF REVISED, WOULD BE IN BETTER ALIGNMENT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD WORK THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE A GREAT FOUNDATION TO BUILD UPON.
I STILL THINK THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE A ONE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WITH JUST A SMALLER YOU KNOW, HANDFUL OF ITEMS, AS WELL AS TAKING ON THE SPECIAL TASKS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THE BOARD FOR.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE.
JANE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? WELL, BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I DID WANT TO.
I KNOW I LAUGHED WHEN YOU SAID PERMEABLE PAVERS, BUT I DID REACH OUT TO MIKE, WHO'S HANDLING BUILDING E BECAUSE I WAS WORKING WITH HIM ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, AND I ASKED HIM, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR PERMEABLE PAVERS THERE? BECAUSE THE MAYOR REALLY, REALLY LIKES PERMEABLE PAVERS.
BUT THERE'S TONS THERE ARE TONS OF GREAT PERMEABLE OPTIONS OUT THERE.
OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLOSE THAT LOOP.
I GUESS I KIND OF FELT. I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH DEREK'S TAKE ON IT THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO UTILIZE MORE STAFF TIME ON THE ACTION PLAN AT THIS POINT.
I FELT LIKE I HEARD THAT MESSAGE PRETTY CLEAR AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
AND WHATEVER ITEMS THEY WANT TO GIVE US, BE IT PERMEABLE PAVERS OR WHATEVER.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO CONSUME SO MUCH STAFF TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. I TOOK IT AS YOU KNOW, IT IS AN ACTION PLAN. AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM COUNCIL WAS GOOD FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW VIABLE AND MEANINGFUL IS THIS BOARD? IT'S A QUESTION FOR ALL THE BOARDS, FRANKLY, IN THIS CITY AND ANY MUNICIPALITY ABOUT WHAT OUR DELIVERABLES, WHAT ARE THINGS THAT ARE TANGIBLE THAT WE CAN SHOW THE COMMUNITY AND SHOW OUR COUNCIL AND COUNCIL WAS IS CALLING FORTH FROM US ACTION, NOT ACTION ON PAPER, BUT ACTION WITH PROJECTS, SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTED PROJECTS AND TASK.
I THINK IT'S AN IDEAL TIME FOR COUNCIL TO BE MORE INVOLVED AND THEM COMING UP AND SHARING, AND US COLLABORATIVELY WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS A BETTER SUSTAINABLE CITY IS.
I'M I'M READY TO GET STARTED. AND WE HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER HERE TONIGHT TOO, TO HELP WITH THIS.
WELL, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS A PLACE OUR MEETINGS ARE A PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND GIVE COMMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORD AND GO OUT TO THE OTHER TO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC, UNLIKE COUNCIL MEETINGS NOW.
AND WE DO OFTEN HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON WITH A COMMENT AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL.
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I KNOW, PTOLEMY STRESSED. PTOLEMY. DOCTOR PTOLEMY STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF OAK TREES AND THE ENVIRONMENT NATIONALLY.THEY'RE A GREAT GIFT TO US. MANY, MANY BENEFITS.
AND WE HAVE A VAST WEALTH OF NATIVE TYPES OF OAKS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LIVE OAK. YOU'VE GOT DOZENS OF SCRUB OAKS AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF OAKS THAT WORK WELL IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, WHICH SHOWS THAT THEY'RE FILLING A GAP IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE SO MANY. SO YEAH, I THINK THE TREES TO CLEAR CUT A LOT IS TO KILL IT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY PLANT WHATEVER, IT USUALLY DIES.
I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THEY PUT DOWN FIVE FEET OF SAND AND THE ROOTS HAVE NOTHING TO HOLD THE WATER, AND SO EVERYTHING JUST DIES. SO PROTECTING WHAT'S THERE GIVES WHAT'S ADDED LATER A CHANCE TO SURVIVE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SOMETHING THERE TO PARTNER, TO PROVIDE SHADE, TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, PLACE FOR BIRDS AND SQUIRRELS, THEN HAVING THAT BENEFITS WHATEVER PLANT COMES ALONG AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO I REALLY IT'S VERY DEPRESSING TO THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT.
BUT WE CAN HOPE AND AND SPEAK UP. AND I'M GLAD YOU CAME TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU. SO I THINK THAT THE, THE CITY IS WORKING ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE CAN MOVE TO TASKS AND WE CAN REVISIT THE PLAN ANNUALLY AS WE SAID WE WOULD ANYWAY.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO. WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT IDLE, SIT ON OUR HANDS.
WE CAN GET BUSY. WELL, BEING NEW TO THIS AND HAVING ATTENDED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BOARD MEETINGS, I FIND THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF BOARDS.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THEIR BEST OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE ON ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM, SO THEY DON'T ATTEND. I DON'T KNOW IF TAKING OUR DIRECTION SOLELY FROM THE THE COUNCIL IS THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE THAT LIMITS US. I THINK IF WE WERE REDEFINED AND MAYBE MARKETED BETTER AS THIS IS WHERE YOU GO TO DEAL WITH LAND ISSUES AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AFFECTED BY THAT THEY HAVE P AND Z, WHICH I BELIEVE IS BETTER ATTENDED THAN THIS IS IT.
WHAT I SEE WITH MOST OF THE BOARDS IS YOU HAVE A MEETING AND THE COUNCIL REALLY DOESN'T CARE.
I THINK THE BIGGEST TASK WE HAVE HERE IS TO MAKE THIS BOARD VERY VALUABLE AND DIRECT OUR POPULATION TO COME HERE FIRST WHEN THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO PUT A STORAGE THING IN THERE. YES, THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S P AND Z, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HOW IT AFFECTS WHAT'S BELOW THE GROUND.
I, I THEY THEY'RE CHANGING THE TREE. REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY CUT DOWN TREES ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING? YEAH. I LOVE TREES, BUT I DON'T LIKE THEM TOO CLOSE TO MY HOUSE. BECAUSE WHEN A STORM COMES, I COME THIS CLOSE TO HAVING THEM LAND ON ME.
SO I THINK A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISCRETION FOR HOMEOWNERS IS IMPORTANT.
I HAPPEN TO HAVE ONE THAT'S TWISTING IN THE CULVERT.
AND IT KEEPS CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE STORM DRAIN.
BUT IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH.
IT'S IT'S IT'S RUINED THE FOUNDATION IN MY HOUSE.
AND IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH TO THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR. THESE ARE THINGS THAT IF CITIZENS KNEW THEY COULD COME TO A PLACE AND ADDRESS THEM REALISTICALLY, HOW THESE THINGS ARE AFFECTING THEM. PINE TREES ARE GREAT.
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THEY GIVE OFF MORE OXYGEN THAN ANY OTHER PLANT.AND AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAS 14 OF THEM.
I ONLY HAVE SIX. LUCKY ME. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT THE BIGGEST TASK WE HAVE IS TO MAYBE WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY MANAGER. COMMUNICATE THAT THIS SHOULD BE THE FIRST STOP.
JUST LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH PNC ISSUES, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO GO THERE BEFORE THEY GO TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE WASTING A LOT OF TIME, COUNCIL TIME ON THINGS THAT THEY'RE EITHER AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO APPROVE OR, YOU KNOW, OR IT FALLS ON DEAF EARS. I THINK THE HAVING THIS BOARD WAY ARE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND MAYBE COMING TO SOME CONCLUSION AND MAKING SURE THAT SOMEBODY FROM THIS BOARD GOES TO THE COUNCIL AND REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, MAY INVITE THEM TO COME WITH THEM.
BUT IF IT'S AN ISSUE THAT CANNOT BE SOLVED AT THIS LEVEL I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE GOAL SHOULD BE.
I, I WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM. I THINK EVERYBODY IS PRETTY MUCH AWARE OF THAT.
BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNICATION THAT ARE NOT BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
AND I BELIEVE THE BOARDS IS WHERE THOSE THINGS SHOULD HAPPEN.
PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE HERE.
AND ALWAYS BILL BATTEN, YOU KNOW, AND JUDY WHERE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THIS.
I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST 35 YEARS. MOST OF US THAT COME TO THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME, OR WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. AND THIS IS AS CLOSE AS WE'LL GET TO RESPECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND RESPECTING THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE DECIDED TO MAKE PALM BAY THEIR HOME. SO I'M HOPING THAT GOING FORWARD, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO MARKET THIS BOARD AS WELL AS ALL OF THEM, AND MAKE THEM A LITTLE MORE POWERFUL, NOT LESS POWERFUL, BY ONLY TAKING DIRECTION FROM A COUNCIL WHERE TWO OF THEM REFUSE TO EVEN ASSIGN ANYBODY.
I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE FRIENDS BY SAYING THESE THINGS, BUT I'M TOO OLD TO CARE.
DEFINITELY APPRECIATE. APPRECIATE THAT IT IS.
BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WE EVEN EXIST.
OKAY. IF THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR IT, THEN THEY'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.
AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME, SOME SORT OF MARKETING THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THESE X, Y, AND Z IS WHAT IF? IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THIS IS WHERE YOU COME FIRST.
SO I THINK WE CAN MAYBE DISSECT THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE I KNOW WHERE JANE STANDS, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE, I'M I'M STILL, I DON'T KNOW. SO IF WE CAN MAYBE GO THROUGH WHO IS SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING WORKING? NOT TO TIE UP OUR TIME HERE, BUT TO HAVE ASSISTANCE FROM STAFF AND THE CITY MANAGER TO GIVE US INPUT AND RECOMMENDATION ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WOULD BE IN BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH COUNCIL.
CAN I HAVE APPROVAL? YES OR NO FROM EACH OF YOU, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE STILL INTERESTED IN DOING OR NOT FOR THE FIVE YEAR, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT TO A ONE YEAR AND THE TASK WE'LL JUST GO INDIVIDUALLY TO GET YES OR NOS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? TO JANE. YES OR NO ON THE FIVE YEAR.
SO YOU'RE ASKING, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT WITH DOING A FIVE YEAR ACTION PLAN AND.
CORRECT. SO WE WOULD NOT HOLD UP OUR TIME HERE, BUT WORK OUTSIDE OF OUR MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF AND THE CITY MANAGER TO KIND OF GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF LANGUAGE REVISIONS, THINGS THAT ARE IN BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH COUNCIL THAT WHAT WE
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CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT WITH GETTING INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING NO, WE DON'T REALLY OTHER THAN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT JUST WE'RE NOT THROWING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN TO THE WAYSIDE, BUT WE WOULDN'T GIVE UP ON IT, BUT WE WOULD GET MORE INPUT.SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT ACTION FOR THE FIVE YEAR IF IF YOU APPROVE THAT.
YES OR NO. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER WHAT TO SAY THAT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO THAT. I WOULD SAY IF WE IF WE WANT TO STAY ON TASK, THAT WE JUST SAY YES OR NO TO THAT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
HE'S ON THE AGENDA. WELL, IF HE'S READY TO SPEAK, THEN.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
IF NOT, I THINK. WHAT? AS I SEE IT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK IS GOING TO FOLLOW NATURALLY AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER. I'LL BE SPEAKING ON FUTURE PLANS AND IDEAS.
IS THE CITY MANAGER SPEAKING? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
ALL RIGHT. SO? SO. THAT'S OKAY. SO. YEAH. I DON'T MEAN MY LIFE.
I MEAN, HE CAN SPEAK IF HE WOULD LIKE TO. IT'S JUST NOT ON THE AGENDA.
YEAH. CITY MANAGER HERE. AND HE IS PART OF HIS.
HE'S NEWLY COME INTO THE CITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT HE'S LOOKING AT ALL THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY AND HE IS IN THE PERFECT PLACE, THE PERFECT TIME TO GIVE US.
WELL, I THINK WITH WITH HIS COMMENTS TOO, WE STILL NEED A VOTE.
SO IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK AT A, YOU KNOW, IF HE CAN, BUT. SO, JANE, YES OR NO? IN THE FIVE YEAR MADAM CHAIRPERSON, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE DIVISION AMONGST THE BOARD.
IF A MOTION IS MADE TO EITHER MOVE FORWARD AS YOU'VE BEEN OR GO TASKS.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH NOW.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GET A VOTE APPROVED? YEAH. SO I WAS JUST SAYING YES OR NO. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT I NEEDED TO SAY A MOTION? YES OR NO? YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN HAVE IT SECONDED AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
OKAY. SO A MOTION TO SO I, I MAKE THE MOTION TO PUT THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN ON THE BACK BURNER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH TASKS. OR I MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN.
IF YOU GET A SECOND THEN YOU CAN VOTE. OKAY. NO I MEAN OKAY, THAT'S SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MORE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION GIVEN THE DIVISION OF I DON'T THINK THERE IS A DIVISION.
WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND THE MANAGER TO REVISE THE TERMINOLOGY AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND TO LEAST GET A BETTER IDEA OF MORE FEEDBACK SO THAT WE KNOW, HEY, WE'RE WAY OFF OR, YOU KNOW, GET MORE INPUT IN IN A SETTING OUTSIDE OF OUR MEETINGS.
IF I CAN HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT, PLEASE.
SO, YEAH. YOUR NAME. I THINK I THINK THAT. RIGHT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW I'M INTERESTED IN, IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY WANTS OUR ROLE TO BE MORE SPECIFICALLY SO WE DON'T GET IN HOT WATER. AND ALSO, I SEE ITEM THREE NEW BUSINESSES, MEETING SCHEDULE REVISIONS.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE'RE ASKED TO MAKE COMMITMENTS AS TO WHAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACT AS A BOARD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT OUR ROLE WILL BE.
I, I THINK THE AUGUST 7TH COUNCIL MEETING LAID IT OUT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
I THINK THAT THEY WANT YOU TO BE MORE TASK ORIENTED AND KIND OF HAVE YOU LESS IN THE ATTENTION.
WHAT TASKS AND HOW WILL WE. WELL, AND AGAIN, THERE'S SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL FROM HERE ON OUT TO GET THOSE TASKS AGAIN, STARTING WITH WHAT HAPPENED ON AUGUST 7TH.
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RIGHT? I WOULD JUST USE THE PERMEABLE CONCRETE AS A STEPPING STONE, GIVEN IT WAS TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH.YES, YES I CONCUR. PERMEABLE PAVERS WAS NOTABLY PRESENT.
PAVERS CLEARLY ISN'T THE DIRECTION THAT ARE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST VOTING NOW.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN AND HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH CITY STAFF IN THE MANAGER? THEY WOULD WORK IN LIAISON WITH THE COUNCIL. SO IT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS, RIGHT.
SO WE DON'T IT'S IT'S NOT ASKING ABOUT OUR YOU KNOW, IT'S TO TO GET A BETTER IDEA.
BUT IT'S NOT THROWING AWAY THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR. A MOTION TO APPROVE OR NOT CAN.
DOES ANYONE SUPPORT THAT? JUST YES OR NO SUPPORT THE THE INTENTION TO WORK WITH CITY, WITH CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER IN TERMS OF, LIKE YOU SAID, HAVING MEETINGS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AND IDENTIFY, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THAT DISCUSSION WOULD BE THE PLAN COULD BE AND WITH OTHER THINGS.
SO YES, I THINK THIS GETS IT STARTED TONIGHT, BUT IT DOES.
IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME FOLLOW UP FOR SURE.
YEAH. THIS ISN'T SO. THAT'S A SECOND. DO WE CONSIDER THAT A SECOND.
OKAY. SO YEAH SHE YOU SHOULD SAY I SECOND. YOU'RE WELCOME I SECOND SECOND OKAY. AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OR NAY.
I, I, I AND. YEP. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. SO.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO TAKE A SELECT AMOUNT OF ITEMS FOR ONE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
SO WE WOULD TAKE A HANDFUL OF PROBABLY MORE THAN LIKELY FROM THIS FIVE YEAR LARGER PLAN THAT WE EACH WOULD WANT TO CHAMPION JUST ONE INITIATIVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUST A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT WE WOULD PUT INTO A ONE YEAR PLAN.
OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION? OKAY. SO THIS IS THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LAYING OUT THE BLUEPRINT OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO, NOT THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT THING IS PULL OUT THOSE HARMFUL ITEMS. RIGHT? I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS TO JUST TEMPORARILY SET ASIDE OUR ACTION PLAN, OKAY? AND DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER. HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
START APPEARING. START THIS CONVERSATION IN DIALOG AND CREATION.
DO IT. DON'T LET IT START. OH, MISS CONNELLY, I'M SO SORRY.
COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC FOR PRESERVATION OF RECORD? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE, COULD WE JUST, FOR THE MOMENT GO WITH OUR SCHEDULE, WITH THE AGENDA. I WOULD LIKE TO.
WE DO HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER HERE AND HE HE REPRESENTS COUNSEL.
WE COULD CALL HIM AND HAVE HIM COME UP. I KNOW HE HAS IDEAS.
I'VE BEEN TO TWO COFFEES WITH HIM. HE INITIATES CONVERSATIONS WITH CITIZENS AND LET HIM.
LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR MEETING HERE TONIGHT.
AND LET'S JUST OPEN THE FLOOR. AND THEN FROM THERE, LET'S SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EILEEN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE THEIR DIRECTION. BUT HOW DOES THE BOARD WHAT DO WE WANT TO PRESENT FOR FOR US? I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I THINK THAT IF HE WANTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK, HE CAN.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ASK HIM TO DO THAT PERSONALLY.
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NOT JUST KIND OF FLOWING WITH IT, I DON'T THINK.BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT I THINK FOR THIS PURPOSE, IF WE CAN GET EVERYONE TO AGREE ON THAT DIRECTION AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO IT'S BASICALLY THAT THAT ONE YEAR PLAN WOULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE THE SPECIFIC TASK THAT THEY WANT US TO WORK ON, IN ADDITION TO SOME ITEMS FROM THE FIVE YEAR.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT. WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING PARALLEL.
WELL I THINK FOR ME PART OF IT IS YOU ARE STARTING WITH OUR PLAN AND WHAT YOU SEE US AS WANTING TO PRESENT. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST HEAR FROM CITY STAFF, CITY MANAGER, AND THEN WE'LL ASK IF HE CAN SPEAK.
CAN WE JUST SAY IF WE APPROVE THAT? OKAY, I CAN HAVE THE FLOOR.
I WOULD SAY THAT FROM THE MEETING, WHAT I GOT IS WE HAVE TO BE MORE RECEPTIVE.
WE CAN'T BE TELLING THEM WE HAVE TO LISTEN. IT'S TIME WE PUT OUR PLAN OUT THERE.
NOW IT'S TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY WANT FROM US.
AND THAT WAS PERMEABLE. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO HEAR IF THE CITY MANAGER IS HERE, MAYBE HE'S WILLING TO SPEAK AND FOR US TO LISTEN BEFORE WE PUT TOO MUCH ENERGY INTO SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE REJECTED.
SO THE MOTION TO BECAUSE I PRESENTED THAT. SO IF I'M ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YEAH.
YOUR NAME. YAY. IT HASN'T BEEN SECONDED. WHAT'S THE MOTION TO DO IT A ONE YEAR OR ONE YEAR.
SO THE MOTION WAS NOT SECONDED. AND SO NO SECOND.
NO SECOND. WELL WE HAD ONE VOTE. OKAY. SO.
CAN YOU JUST HOLD WHAT YOU'RE WANTING AND SAVE IT FOR THE END OF THE MEETING? SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FIVE YEAR.
WE'LL GET FURTHER DIRECTION, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK WITH A I MOVE, WE GET FURTHER DIRECTION.
OKAY. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, LET'S MAKE SOME DECISIONS LIKE YOUR AND THEN.
SO. SO ALSO REGARDLESS OF THE ONE YEAR WE'RE, WE'RE, I THINK IF WE CAN GET A MOTION IN FAVOR OF COMPLETING INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, SUCH AS THE PERMEABLE PAPERS OR ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO PUT ONTO SPECIFIC ITEMS. IF. DO I NEED ALSO TO GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT AS WELL? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WITH HOW HOW MUCH DISCUSSION HAS TAKEN PLACE IN BETWEEN EACH MOTION, WE MAY NEED TO REDO THE MOTION. AND SO AGAIN, AT THIS POINT THE DIVISION IS DO WE CONTINUE AS TASK DRIVEN BOARD OR DO WE WHY CAN'T WE DO BOTH? IF THAT'S THE MOTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
SO NOW WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN AN AGREEMENT WITH SPECIAL PROJECTS.
OKAY. PERFECT. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, TAILOR THE MOTION TO THAT.
OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIFIC COUNCIL PROJECTS, SUCH AS THE PERMANENT PAVERS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO WORK ON THAT WOULD BE IN LIEU OF WHATEVER WE DO WITH OUR ACTION PLAN.
WHAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO RUN IN PARALLEL WITH.
SO IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO APPROVE, PLEASE KNOW YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
CAN YOU GET A SECOND? GET A SECOND. THANK YOU.
JANE IS NOT A SECOND THING ANY SECOND. SO THIS IS FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL JUST SAID THAT YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH. I'M CONFUSED. WELL, IT'S CONFUSING HOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED.
SO I THINK DEREK SUMMARIZED IT FOR ME. MAYBE OUR FIRST THING IS.
ARE WE GOING TO START WITH, AS REBECCA SAID, IT'S TIME FOR US TO LISTEN.
LET'S LISTEN AND GET MORE INFORMATION. I KNOW WE ALL ARE VERY CONVICTED. CONVINCED THAT OUR PLAN. WE WROTE IT, AND WE SEE WE CAN SEE THE NEED FOR THESE THINGS.
BUT IT'S TIME TO HEAR AND THEN TO MERGE THE TWO.
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I THINK THEY WILL NATURALLY OVERLAP. AND BUT FOR NOW, WE DO NEED TO LISTEN AND HEAR MORE. BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT AUGUST 7TH MEETING, THEY WERE THEY WERE SPECIFIC. THEY THEY HAVE SOME.SO THAT'S WHAT THIS MOTION, THIS MOTION IS TO SAY.
YES, WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THOSE THINGS OR KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.
OKAY. TO LISTEN TO THOSE AND TO FIND THOSE THINGS MORE CLEARLY.
YES. WELL, THE MOTION I HEARD WAS TO LISTEN, BUT INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE EXISTING ONE YEAR PLAN.
SO MAYBE I DIDN'T HEAR THAT MOTION CORRECTLY.
SO IF I CAN GET A SECOND, I CAN SECOND THE BOARD WORKING ON SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT DIRECTION OF OF COUNCIL STAFF COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO WORK ON SPECIAL PROJECTS? APPARENTLY SO. SO THE AGENDA AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW IS THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN RECAP AND FUTURE PLANS.
OR YOU CAN PUT THAT TO THE SIDE AND FOCUS ON THE TASK DRIVEN.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE ASKING, BECAUSE WE'VE SUGGESTED TAKING COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION OF BEING A TEST DRIVEN BOARD INTO ACCOUNT, YOU NOW HAVE A FORK IN THE ROAD. YOU CAN EITHER CONTINUE WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN OR PUT THAT TO THE SIDE AND DO TASKS.
I JUST IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S JUST A MISCOMMUNICATION UP THERE, BUT YOU'RE DOING FINE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AS FAR AS MAKING THE MOTION. YOU CAN MAKE WHATEVER MOTION YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEAR AND CONCISE FOR EVERYBODY TO FOLLOW.
OKAY, SO SO I JUST HEARD A SECOND I DON'T. THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO TASKS.
THAT WAS A VERY SPECIFIC SECOND TO WHAT YOU STATED ABOUT BEING TASKS.
CORRECT. NOT SO. WE HAD ALREADY VOTED ON THE ACTION PLAN FIRST.
RIGHT. THE FIRST ONE WAS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST THROW IT TO THE SIDE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. WE'RE IN AGREEMENTS TO TAKE THAT PLAN AND TRY TO GET FURTHER INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, BUT NOT TAKE UP OUR TIME HERE IN THESE MEETINGS.
BUT THAT AND ULTIMATELY IT'S COMING DOWN BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DO NOT SEE THIS ATTACHED DRIVEN BOARD.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M PROPOSING THAT WE STILL DO BOTH.
AND THAT WE'RE ALIGNING BETTER WITH COUNCIL AND STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE COMMUNITY TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE ITEMS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION TO BE TO RECEIVE TASKS FROM COUNCIL, BUT ALSO CONTINUE WITH WHAT'S IN YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN TO DO BOTH.
IT MAY NOT BE, BUT THE WAY THAT YOU WORDED THAT, THAT'S NOT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THAT WE'RE JUST TAKING IT FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION TO TRY TO REALIGN BETTER WITH COUNCIL. BUT YES, ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE FIVE YEAR.
PERFECT. OKAY. SO MAKE THAT MOTION. SO CAN I HAVE A SECOND MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE FIVE YEAR WORKING IN THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FROM COUNCIL? I'LL SECOND IT SO WE CAN TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
SO THEN CAN WE GET A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
I SO WE CAN I NAY NAY NAY. YEAH. I'M GOING TO SAY NAY.
I'M KIND OF HALFWAY. I STILL THINK THAT OUR DIRECTION SHOULD NOT.
THE TASK SHOULD NOT ONLY COME FROM COUNCIL. I THINK IF EVERY MEETING WE HAD A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, WHICH YOU MAY PULL FROM THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND PUBLICIZED WHAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET PUBLIC INPUT, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE US MORE VIABLE.
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IF WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR LEAD FROM COUNCIL, THEY DON'T REALLY NEED US.SO I'M IN. NO. SO LET ME JUST RESTATE. SO WHAT WE ARE VOTING FOR IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE THAT STRATEGIC PLAN AND STILL HOPEFULLY GET THAT APPROVED AGAIN, GET IT IN BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY.
THERE ARE SOME GAPS ABOUT BUDGET. SOME LANGUAGE.
WE WOULD REVISE THAT TO BE IN BETTER ALIGNMENT, SO WE WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STRATEGIC ACTION ITEMS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED INITIALLY WITH REVISIONS, WHILE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR A COUNCIL, SUCH AS PERMEABLE PAVERS OR ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TASK US WITH.
SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WE STILL WOULD SAY MORE ALIGNED BECAUSE THOSE STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS WERE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR THE THINGS THAT THIS BOARD IS ALIGNED TO DO, YOU KNOW, SO WE WOULD STILL STAY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT AS WELL AS WORKING TOWARDS SPECIAL PROJECTS. SO I JUST WANT TO RESTATE BECAUSE I HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, BECAUSE WE STILL WOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS COMMUNITY INITIATIVES THAT WERE PUT FORTH ON THAT STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, AS WELL AS STILL WORKING TOWARDS SPECIAL PROJECTS.
WE WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHING BOTH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE IS WE HAVE TO PROVE TO COUNSEL THAT THERE IS A VALUE TO THIS BOARD.
I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE SOME MEAT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
YOU HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT HAS SOME VERY GOOD THINGS IN THERE.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FIVE YEAR THING BECAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING SHOULD HAPPEN YESTERDAY, BUT WELL IT SHOULD BE. IT CAN BE A STARTING POINT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE WHERE. WHERE WE'RE GOING AS FAR AS AS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED. ALL THEY WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THEM? OKAY. WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THEM? I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE FOUR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AND IT WAS AN EVEN SPLIT FOR OUR PLAN. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TIME REVISING OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW.
IF THERE HAD BEEN FIVE MEMBERS, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.
WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S SO. PLUS, YOU KNOW, VOTES COME AROUND AND WE MIGHT HAVE A WHOLE NEW CREW IN. AND THAT NEXT TIME THERE A COUNCIL, NEXT TIME THERE'S AN ELECTION FOR CITY COUNCIL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. SO I JUST WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW.
SO YOU'RE SAYING I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO MODIFY IT.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TIME MODIFYING THE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP REVISING THE PLAN.
LET'S GET TO THE ACT. LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN. SO, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORKING ON ISSUES THAT ARE IN YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN, BUT ALSO HOW THEY ARE AFFECTED BY THIS MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE GREEN SPACES THAT WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING.
THERE ARE GREEN SPACES THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT AT SOME POINT, THIS CITY SAYS, ONCE YOU'VE PUT IN A PLAN AND YOU'VE GUARANTEED GREEN SPACES, THAT THEY WILL NEVER TURN INTO MORE BUILDINGS.
JUST LIKE PORT, MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB IS NO LONGER PORT MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB.
YOU'VE GOT THE MAJORS WHERE PEOPLE PAID $100,000 EXTRA JUST TO BORDER ON THAT GOLF COURSE, AND BECAUSE SOMEBODY DECIDED TO SELL IT FOR CHEAP, AND SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO MAKE MILLIONS ON IT.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING.
THE LAND AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. WE LIKE TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR.
WE LIKE TO HAVE STREETS WE CAN GET DOWN IN LESS THAN, WELL, A NORMAL
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AMOUNT OF TIME. WE CARE ABOUT THE TREES AND THE WATER AND AND JUST EVERYTHING.YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE MOVED TO THIS COMMUNITY OR WHY WE STAY HERE.
OKAY. WE HAVE TO MAKE OURSELVES MORE RELEVANT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I FEEL. I THINK WE'RE SPINNING OUR WHEELS HERE, AND WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO REWORK THE SAME PLAN THAT REALLY DIDN'T GO OVER VERY WELL.
YES, WE'LL ALWAYS TAKE DIRECTION FROM STAFF AND FROM COUNCIL, BUT WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE CAN AFFECT. IF WE CAN'T AFFECT ANYTHING, THERE'S NO POINT TO BEING HERE.
SO CAN WE GET A REVOTE THEN? BECAUSE I'M STILL CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN OFF ON OTHER TOPICS.
SO ALL IN FAVOR FOR THAT VOTE? YAY OR NAY? YAY.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YAY. RESTATE IT. SO THIS WAS FOR THE FIVE YEAR GOING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND MANAGER TO GET FURTHER INPUT ON THE FIVE YEAR PLAN TO BE IN BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH THE TERMINOLOGY.
ET CETERA. SEVERAL WHILE INCORPORATING SPECIAL PROJECTS FROM COUNCIL INTO.
THAT'S WHAT OUR PART OF OUR DUTY WOULD BE AS A BOARD.
THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON. WE HAD A SECOND, SO WE SAID, LET'S VOTE ON IT.
SO ALL IN FAVOR WOULD SAY, DID WE GET A SECOND FOR WE DID.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO WE WERE. SO YOU'RE CALLING A VOTE A REVOTE.
YEAH BECAUSE I. ALL RIGHT. NAY NAY. NAY NAY.
OKAY OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS OPPOSED. SO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THEN.
WELL NO YOU NEED ANOTHER MOTION. WE'RE NOT REVISING.
WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO START TRYING. TO MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU SAY WORKING ON THE PLAN WAS NOT TASK IS LIKE ALIGNING IT WITH THEIR ALIGNING OUR PLAN WITH THEIR VISION, AND I DON'T WANT TO WORK EDITING THE PLAN.
I WANT TO WORK DOING WHAT WE CAN. TO MAKE THE CHANGE SO THAT ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON. THE JUST TO RESTATE TRANSPARENCY IS THAT AS A BOARD, YOU WANT TO BE TASK ORIENTED BY THE COUNCIL, NOT NECESSARILY BY THE COUNCIL. NO, THAT'S WHAT IF YOU'RE DOING AWAY WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU WORK WORK TOWARDS? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE HOPING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCHEDULE REVISIONS AND FUTURE PLANS, THAT WAS JUST OF OUR MEETINGS THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY BOARD THAT IS STRUGGLING.
THIS IS IF YOU GO TO OUR PURPOSE AND INTENT. WHEN WE WERE ESTABLISHED, THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR PURPOSE THAT MENTIONS ACTION PLAN.
NOTHING. WE ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE WE NEED CLEAR DIRECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS COURSE. IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S EVERYBODY MAY BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF MEETING WITH STAFF AND MANAGER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR US, SINCE WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PRESENTING AN IDEA TO THEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THEM AND ASK THEM FOR THE IDEA. YES, YES, AT THIS MOMENT.
OKAY. YES. GO AHEAD. SO THEN IT MAY BE MY. IT'S JUST FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT MIGHT BE.
IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, YOU COULD TABLE THE SUBJECT AS WELL AND THEN COMPILE, DO EVERYTHING YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO GET THE ANSWERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR UNTIL YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION. YOU COULD ALWAYS TABLE IT. IF YOU DON'T TABLE THE DISCUSSION YOU DO HAVE TO PROCEED WITH, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PROCEED. SO WE WOULD NEED A SECOND MOTION FOR SOMETHING.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU ARE A BOARD OF VOLUNTEERS.
THIS IS YOUR BOARD TO DO WITH WHAT YOU EXACTLY.
PLEASE. COUNCIL HAS GIVEN YOU THE AUTHORITY TO BE THAT BOARD, AND THEY HAVE COME BACK ON AUGUST 7TH AND SAID, WE DON'T WANT YOUR ACTION PLAN AS IT'S WRITTEN.
WE WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE YOU AS A TASK DRIVEN BOARD.
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YOU WORK FOR US AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE IDEAS THAT YOU CAN THAT WE THINK ARE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.AND THEN YOU HELP HELP US FIGURE THAT OUT. SO AT THIS POINT, WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT, ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE ACTION PLAN OR ARE WE GOING TO BE A TASK DRIVEN BOARD? HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? I'D LIKE I COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WOULD SAY I THINK WE SHOULD COLLECT INPUT ON WHAT OUR FUTURE TASKS WOULD BE. SOME OF THAT INPUT WOULD COME FROM THE CITY STAFF, SOME WOULD COME FROM THE PUBLIC, SOME IS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'VE COLLECTED IN A SPREADSHEET.
ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER COME TO US THAT WE'VE NEVER UTILIZED AND THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON. SO THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, DON'T MAKE ANY DECISION ON IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ACTION PLAN OR TASK, MAKE THAT MOTION. IF YOU IF IT PASSES, THEN GREAT.
YOU DO THAT. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
IF IT'S OPPOSED, WE STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE GET SOME CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WOULD YOU? YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION IF YOU WANT TO.
I WAS TRYING TO, BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T SAY IT CORRECTLY.
WOULD THAT ALSO FOR CLARIFICATION, WOULD THAT ALSO BE ANY INITIATIVES WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN? NO, THAT WOULD JUST BE SEPARATE INPUT COLLECTION BECAUSE WE NEVER DID THAT BEFORE.
AND SO THIS MEANS THAT WE WOULDN'T STILL BE VOTING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
CORRECT. NO, IT KIND OF IT SOUNDS TO ME AS IF WE'RE TABLING THE TASK, AND THEN WE'RE TABLING THE ACTION PLAN, AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INPUT. THIS WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PATHWAY NOW.
YES. YEAH. SO THEN. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THAT. OH, CAN YOU NOT? I CAN SECOND IT SO WE CAN PUT IT TO A VOTE.
LET'S PUT IT TO A VOTE. EXCUSE ME, BUT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
YES. THANK YOU. CAN I COME UP? THEY CAN COME UP AT ANY TIME.
YES. SORRY. GO AHEAD. JUDY. JUDY. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC COMMENT RESPONSE.
SO ANYTIME THERE'S A VOTE. THANK YOU. OH, ABSOLUTELY.
YES. MY NAME IS JUDY RANDALL. I LIVE AT 751 PEBBLE BEACH AVENUE NORTHEAST.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE AT THAT CITY COUNCIL.
IT WAS VERY, VERY EVIDENT THAT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN IS TABLED.
DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS TO BE MORE VALUABLE.
I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD TAKE THE INITIATIVE AS AN ACTION TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KNOWING ALL OF THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE CITY, TO LOOK AT WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE, HOW IT AFFECTS THE ENVIRONMENT. ARE THERE ANY WETLANDS AND STUDY WHAT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY? YOU TAKE THAT INFORMATION WHETHER YOU DO IT COLLECTIVELY OR ONE BY ONE, YOU ATTEND THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS.
YOU DISCUSS WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY, IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF DETRIMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU SPEAK UP TO THAT NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN GO ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND YOU AS A BOARD OR BOARD MEMBER, RELAY THAT INFORMATION, LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT, IN MY MIND, IS WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR, TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO GUIDE THE CITY INTO WHAT YOU HAVE FOUND AS A SUSTAINABILITY BOARD.
SO THAT'S JUST MY ADVICE. TAKE IT. TAKE IT OR LEAVE.
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BUT THAT, TO ME, IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. JUDY. THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH JUDY.
AND MAKING SURE THAT WHAT'S PROMISED IS KEPT AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENT GOES AND THE SUSTAINABILITY, LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POROUS CONCRETE, THOUGH I DID DO RESEARCH ON THAT SINCE WE'RE TALKING. CAN WE SAVE THAT FOR OTHER BUSINESS OR LATER? IS THAT MORE APPROPRIATE? YEAH, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE MOTION TO GET THROUGH.
RIGHT. TO VOTE ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO IT WAS CALLING TO A VOTE.
CORRECT. YEP. SO, ALL IN FAVOR? WHAT'S A YAY? IS THIS THE CORRECT INPUT FROM STAFF AND THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL? JANE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OPTION RIGHT NOW.
YEP. DIFFERENT. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT MOTION THAT WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO TO SAY YES OR NO.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING. NOW TO THE MOTION JANE PRESENTED.
CORRECT. BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A MOTION. SO NOW WE'RE VOTING ON IT. I HEARD ONE ONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM. THE DECISIONS WERE MAKING RIGHT NOW.
I'M NEEDING TIME. I'M WHAT WOULD HELP ME IS I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER. SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS, I'M GOING TO SAY NAY. TO THIS? WELL. THANK YOU. MOTION. YOU MOTIONED YOU.
SECOND. YOU. SECOND. IT. SO. SO I'M SAYING NO TO THE MOTION A NO GO.
BUT SHE SAID NAY, AND SHE SECONDED IT. OH. SHE MOTIONED.
DID SHE OR DID MISS ZIEGLER SECOND? I THOUGHT MISS ZIEGLER SECONDED IT.
THEY SECONDED IT. ARE YOU? I SECONDED IT TO PUT IT TO A VOTE.
YES. OKAY. SORRY. RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY, BUT TO HEAR FROM THE THE CITY MANAGER.
DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS MOTION OR WHAT? WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THIS IS THIS MOTION IS JUST HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PROCEED AT THIS TIME AND IN THE FUTURE FOR IT'S JUST TO KIND OF SET WHERE YOU ARE CURRENTLY.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS MOTION AND THEN CALL AN OPEN FLOOR AND INVITE THE CITY MANAGER TO SPEAK, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD. OH, MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
YEAH. I MEAN, TO GET ITS INPUT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK HE'S ATTENDING FOR.
AND IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO GO, JAMES MOTION IS WHAT OPENED THE FLOOR FOR THAT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO DO I HAVE TO CALL THAT OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE CITY MANAGER IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK WHERE I WOULD, COULD YOU CALL THE MOTION BASED ON HOW YOU VOTED, IF IT'S OPPOSED OR IF IT'S IN FAVOR? WELL, THERE WAS THREE YESES TO NOS. YES, BUT YOU DID NOT CALL IT AND HIT THE GAVEL.
YES. THAT WE WOULD GET ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE WORKING ON.
THAT WOULD BE MORE COMMUNITY FOCUSED. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON THERE.
JANE. WHAT WAS IT? COMMUNITY INPUT. IT WAS JUST LISTING EVERYBODY WE WERE GOING TO GET INPUT FROM.
BUT IT'S EVERYBODY. OKAY. SO THEN WE CAN OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE CITY MANAGER IF YOU WISH.
IF HE. AND IF HE WOULD LIKE TO. IF HE WOULD LIKE TO.
BECAUSE. YEAH. YEAH. SORRY IF YOU HAVE COMMENT. YES. DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I'VE OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD MY COMMENTS.
NOT ON THE SPOT AT ALL. THANKS FOR LETTING ME COME UP.
THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME COME UP AND SPEAK.
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I HAD TALKED WITH SUSAN AND SAID I HAD AN IDEA.I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT'S AN IDEA, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SUMMARIZED VERY WELL.
MR. BUNTON, YOU DID A GREAT JOB SORT OF STATING, I THINK.
SO WE'RE AT SORT OF WHERE YOU'RE AT AS A GROUP, SORT OF WHERE THE ACTION PLAN IS AT.
AGAIN, IN MY OPINION. I THINK I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A WAY TO COMPLETE THAT THIS BOARD IS DONE OR THAT THE WORK IS OVER. AND SO I HAD TALKED WITH SUSAN AND SAID, LOOK, I HAVE AN IDEA.
SO I'M NOT HERE TO DRIVE YOUR BUS. I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE IT. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A TASK. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS JUST OFFER A PARTNERSHIP TO HELP YOU MOVE FORWARD, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND THE REASON BEING IS I SORT OF RELY BACK ON THE OLD STRATEGIC TRIANGLE, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE SAID, ALL THIS STUFF, IT'S AMAZING. I LISTEN TO YOU AND IN MY PRESENTATION. YOU'VE ALL SAID IT IN PIECES. BUT YOU KNOW, THE ESSENTIAL QUESTION IS WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CREATE PUBLIC VALUE? THAT'S THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT WHAT PUBLIC VALUE ARE WE CREATING? AND WITH THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO ASK THE QUESTION OF WHAT YOUR LEGITIMACY AND YOUR SUPPORT.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS OPERATIONAL CAPACITY.
WHAT CAPACITY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN MOTION. AND WHAT CAPACITY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ON STAFF TO PUT IT IN MOTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC VALUE, LEGITIMACY AND SUPPORT AND OPERATIONAL CAPACITY.
AND IN THAT LIGHT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GETTING THE SENSE FROM THE COUNCIL OF AND FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU LISTEN OF WHAT KEY PARTNERS ARE. AND I THINK WHAT WE KEEP HEARING CONSISTENTLY, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS OF A COUPLE KEY PRIORITY AREAS, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST BY ANY STRETCH.
IS TRANSPORTATION WATER QUALITY AND THE LANDSCAPE, THE HABITAT, THE TREES, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
WITH THAT, WHAT I WAS PROPOSING TO DO, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING ANYWAY AND WAS OFFERING SORT OF A, AGAIN, A PATH, A VEHICLE AND OLIVE BRANCHES. WE ARE LOOKING I'VE MET WITH SEVERAL ENTITIES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 3 OR 4 MONTHS, AND ONE OF MY PRIMARY APPROACHES, ANYTHING GREAT I'VE EVER DONE IN MY CAREER HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE STRENGTH OF PARTNERSHIP, AND IT'S BRINGING IN THE BIGGEST BASE OF PARTNERSHIP WE CAN. AND THERE'S TWO PHILOSOPHIES TO THAT.
WE CAN TRY TO BE ROBERT MOSES. IF YOU'RE A STUDENT OF PLANNING AND GOVERNMENT, AND MOSES IS THE MAN CREDITED WITH BUILDING NEW YORK, BUT HE JUST WENT AND DID IT AND DIDN'T MAKE ANY FRIENDS, AND HE CREATED HIS OWN POWER AND JUST DID IT. THAT'S NOT THE POSITION WE'RE IN.
BUT HE HAD A COUNTERPART BY THE NAME OF ROBERT KELLY, AND THEY WANTED TO CUT ALL OF ROBERT KELLY'S PROGRAMS. IN FACT, HE HAD A FAMOUS PROGRAM THAT WAS SERVING UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN IN THEIR CITIES. AND CONGRESS GOT SMART AND SAID, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO FUND YOUR PROGRAM BECAUSE THE ROI WAS LIKE $1,300 A KID.
THEN HE HAD THE SUPPORT TO DO IT. SO WE NEED TO REFRAME, I THINK, HOW WE'RE THINKING, AND I'VE HEARD YOU GUYS SORT OF GERMINATE THAT TONIGHT. WHAT IS THE NEW APPROACH? HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO CREATE LEGITIMACY ORGANIZATIONAL OPERATIONAL CAPACITY? HOW DO WE CREATE PUBLIC VALUE, WHICH IS I THINK IS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE QUESTION BEING ASKED IS HOW DO WE CREATE PUBLIC VALUE? SO TAKING A KELLY APPROACH AND STANDING ON PARTNERSHIP, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, JUST TO NAME ONE, FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY AND THEIR ENGINEERING SCHOOL.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PROGRAM. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
I HAVE PARTNERSHIP DOLLARS TO PUT INTO A PROGRAM.
I HAVE HEARD YOU SPEAK ABOUT BIOCHAR ROOFS. MAYBE THAT IS A I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FOCUS IS, BUT CAN WE PICK A A PROJECT OR CAN YOU GUYS DECIDE ON AN, ON AN ACTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO TO BUILD SOME CREDIBILITY, TO GAIN SOME MOMENTUM, SOMETHING THAT BRINGS IN A BROAD BASE OF SUPPORT? MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER THAT WOULD SHOCK EVERYBODY.
MAYBE WE GO APPROACH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND SAY, LOOK, THIS GROUP YOU YOU'RE COMMITTED TO ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, LIVABLE HOMES. THERE IS AN ROI IN THAT FOR DEVELOPERS.
THEY KNOW IT. THAT'S WHY THE LOTS THAT BUFFER GREEN SPACES AND GOLF COURSES AND PRESERVE AREAS, AS WE'VE ALL HEARD, SELL FOR A PREMIUM OVER LOTS THAT DON'T.
SO CAN WE FRAME THIS QUESTION TO WHOEVER YOU GUYS THINK BASED OFF WHATEVER PROJECT YOU HAVE IN MIND OR YOU GUYS COME UP WITH AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE YOUR BUS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS IS DEFINE AND DELIVER A SOLID, MEASURABLE RATE OF RETURN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR LATELY IS WHAT'S THE ROI ON A PROJECT? YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE COST, THE TIME, THE VALUE.
AND IT'S IN EVERY AREA OF THE CITY. SO WHAT PUBLIC VALUE? WHAT ARE WHAT ROI ARE YOU LOOKING TO CREATE? IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S FIRST IN CLASS, BEST IN CLASS OR LEADING EDGE. DON'T BE AFRAID OF NEW INITIATIVES. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU ARE. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NEW AND INNOVATIVE IDEAS. HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO THAT. LET'S JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GAIN OUT OF IT.
AGAIN, UNDERPINNED WITH THAT PHILOSOPHY. AS KENNEDY SAID, A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS.
SO IF WE BRING IN FIT, IF WE BRING IN ALSO TO THE TABLE, MAYBE IT'S A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER, MAYBE IT'S SOMEONE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, MAYBE IT'S SOMEONE FROM MRC, NOT IN EXCLUSIVITY, BUT AS A TEAM TOGETHER, WORKING ON SOMETHING.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BLUE RIBBON.
SO IT'S GOT TO STAND ALONE. IT'S GOT TO STAND ON ITS OWN TWO FEET.
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RIBBON FOR PUTTING YOUR PIE INTO THE CONTEST OR WHATEVER YOU WERE DOING.LET'S MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS AWARD WORTHY. LET'S GET SOMETHING THAT LIVES A LIFE.
AFTER THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED, SOME PEOPLE POINT BACK TO YOU AND GO, THAT WAS GREAT! EITHER BECAUSE IT MEANT SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY, OR IT WON SOME KIND OF RECOGNITION OR WON AN AWARD OR, YOU KNOW, COMPETED IN SOME CLASS.
AND I THINK NOW YOU'RE BRINGING MULTIPLE TIERS OF VALUE TO SOMETHING.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE. I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE YOUR BUS.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROJECT. I'VE HEARD LOTS OF THINGS. WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE CITY FOR A PROJECT. I THINK THAT'S YOUR GUYS'S DECISION. I THINK YOU'VE SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES. YOU'RE NOT TASK ORIENTED. WHAT IS IT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN? BUT I JUST WANTED TO OFFER AN IDEA, SORT OF A FRAMEWORK, AND JUST SAY THAT I'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, TO PARTNER ON SOME SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES OR A SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE PROBABLY IS MORE CLEARLY STATED IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIND ALIGNMENT ON TO HELP ADVANCE THE CREDIBILITY AND THE AND THE TIMELINESS OF THIS BOARD.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I CAME TONIGHT WAS FOR THAT.
THANK YOU. YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL. WELL THANK YOU.
YEAH, IT CERTAINLY HAS SPARKED ME. AND I COULD WE KEEP HIM HERE FOR A FEW MINUTES AND DISCUSS ONE IDEA THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS TO PARTNER WITH A DEVELOPER.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO EXPAND US INTO REFLECT US.
SO WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A DEVELOPER IN MIND? I DON'T IT WAS SIMPLY THE PHILOSOPHY OF, YOU KNOW LISTENING TO THE VOICES OF DISSENT OR SOMETIMES THE VOICES WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ANXIETY RIGHT NOW, AND MAYBE WELL EARNED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN HAPPENING.
QUICK PACE PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE IMPACTS. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE FIND SOMEBODY WILLING IN THAT COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WORK, WORK WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, WORK WITH THE CITY, LET'S DO SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THE NARRATIVE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, CHANGES THE OUTCOMES AND ADVANCES YOUR GOALS AND FINDS COMMON GROUND.
RIGHT? LET'S DO AWAY WITH THE FIXED PIE NOTION THAT IF I WIN, YOU LOSE.
OR IF THEY WIN, WE LOSE. WHAT ARE LET'S INVENT THE OPTIONS FOR MUTUAL GAIN AND TRY TO DECIDE WHAT IT IS WE CAN DO TOGETHER TO CREATE SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND WE MAY GET TOLD NO, BUT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A GOOD SHOT OF GETTING TOLD YES.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF ENERGY RIGHT NOW AND LOTS OF CURIOSITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT LEADS TO TO GOOD THINGS HAPPENING.
YES. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN PARTNER IS JUST PUT A CALL OUT THROUGH THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY CHANNELS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING. WHAT IDEAS DO YOU HAVE OR WHAT IDEAS WOULD YOU BE RECEPTIVE TO? IF YOU GUYS HAVE IDEAS THAT YOU GIVE US? WE'LL RUN THEM BY THEM AND SAY, IS THERE ONE HERE THAT INTERESTS YOU? AND CAN WE COME TO A AGREEMENT WHERE YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH A SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT A GREAT PROJECT THAT WE CAN ALL POINT BACK TO AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT PARTNERSHIP LOOKS LIKE. I THINK THAT'S EXCITING.
SO DO YOU SEE THIS BOARD HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY, LIKE YOU SAID, AT OUR MEETINGS, AT MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AS A BOARD, AND I THINK YOU WOULD DO IT AT YOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, JUST LIKE WE ARE TONIGHT. AND THEY'D BE AGENDA ITEMS, AND YOU GUYS WOULD WORK OUT IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE, IN THE PUBLIC EYE, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT AND THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE PARAMETERS AND THEN ANY OTHER RESOURCES THAT COME TO THE TABLE, LET'S SAY WE PARTNER WITH THE DEVELOPER AND YOU GUYS COME UP WITH A GREAT PROJECT FOR, YOU KNOW, WATER QUALITY OR TREE RETENTION OR COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT OR WILDLIFE CAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
AND THERE'S AN ENGINEERING COMPONENT THAT WELL, THEY'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE MAYBE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH FIT OR SOMEBODY CAN BRING THAT ENGINEERING EXPERTISE IN AND TRY TO LIGHTEN THE LOAD ON EVERYBODY.
AGAIN, I KEEP THROWING THEM UNDER THE BUS BUT THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE EXCITING. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF GOOD STUFF. YOU KNOW THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR PRACTICAL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, KIND OF LIKE PRACTICUM. IT'S ONE THING TO READ IN THE BOOK. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO DO IN THE LAB. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO READ IN A BOOK, DO IT IN A LAB AND HAVE A PRACTICAL PROJECT TO WORK ON, AND THAT REALLY HELPS THEIR STUDENTS SUCCEED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS ARE CREATIVE ENOUGH. I KNOW WE HAVE THE TALENT OF THE CITY TO MAYBE COME UP WITH SOMETHING AGAIN THAT WOULD SERVE THOSE PURPOSES AND HELP YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD. ARE YOUR FIT CONTACTS? YOU KNOW, A GROUP OF STUDENTS THAT ARE MAYBE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS. SO I MET WITH THE PRESIDENT, NICK LOWE, AND ROB SALONEN, THE DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, JUST A FEW WEEKS BACK. AND THEN I WENT OVER TO VERTEX, THE APPLIED SCIENCE LABORATORY.
AND SO SO I SORT OF MET WITH THE I MET WITH THEIR LAB DIRECTOR, WHO'S A STUDENT.
BUT YEAH, THEY'RE HUNGRY FOR THE DIRECT WORDS WE GOT AS ARE HUNGRY FOR MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT.
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THEY'RE HUNGRY FOR RAISING THEIR PUBLIC PROFILE, THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE PROFILE, ALL WITH THE AIM OF RAISING AND ENHANCING THE REPUTATION OF A GREAT UNIVERSITY THAT SOMETIMES IS OVERLOOKED, AND SHOWCASING THE INCREDIBLE TALENT, SKILLS AND CAPABILITIES THEY HAVE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF GREAT IDEAS, NOT JUST FROM A, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC OR ENGINEERING OR SUSTAINABILITY PLATFORM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING LOCAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH INCREASED PARTNERSHIPS IN THEIR PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM. JUST THEY'RE VERY OPEN TO HAVING THE DIALOG AND VERY CANDID, TOO. IF THEY DON'T THINK THERE'S A FIT, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT PROBABLY KNOW SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE A FIT FOR US. MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER PRIVATE COMPANY THAT THAT NEEDS TO SPEND SOME ENVIRONMENTAL DOLLARS OR TAKE ON AN INITIATIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.I DON'T KNOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'D BE WILLING TO HELP YOU ASK.
I SAY I'D BE WILLING TO HELP YOU ASK. AWESOME.
THANK YOU, MISTER MORTON. I CAN WE REQUIRE THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND EXPLAIN THEIR GREEN SPACES AND AND ROAD ACCESS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
NO, NO, NO. AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO GET CREATIVE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIND INVENT OPTIONS FOR MUTUAL GAIN, IS WHAT I'M CALLING IT, IF WE'RE TRULY, IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, JUST AN OPINION. IF WE'RE LOOKING TO SEEK RELEVANCE, REGAIN CREDIBILITY, GET SOME MOMENTUM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK MR. BUNCE SUMMARIZED THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, I'LL SAY, TASKS, BUT MAYBE MORE PROJECT SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE TIMELY.
AND SO THAT WAS MY IDEA THAT WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH MISS CONLEY, I SAID, LET'S FIND IT.
YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING, LET'S FIND A TIMELY IDEA IF WE CAN, OR I SAY, WE YOU GUYS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM PROJECTS THAT I WAS ALREADY GOING TO WORK ON THIS YEAR TRY TO DOVETAIL IN SOME OF THAT WITH YOU TO BRING SOME SUPPORT, WHETHER IT'S FINANCIAL SUPPORT OR STAFF SUPPORT OR THOUGHT SUPPORT OR PARTNERSHIP SUPPORT.
TO SEE WHAT WHAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER. THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST REALLY THE THOUGHT, JUST TRYING TO BE HELPFUL. BUT IF DEVELOPERS ARE ALLOWED TO IGNORE THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THEIR PROJECTS THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BEFORE THEY'RE APPROVED.
SO THEY SO YOU GUYS ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD, RIGHT? THE LDC IS QUASI JUDICIAL BECAUSE THE LDC IS SORT OF INTERPRETING AND GIVING THEIR RECOMMENDATION OR GIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL TO THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
NOW, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY CAN FOLLOW OR REJECT THAT APPROVAL, OR MODIFY THAT APPROVAL BASED OFF THE FINDINGS OF FACTS, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, AND THE RECOMMENDATION OR DECISIONS THAT THE LDC HAS REACHED.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY ROLE IS IS ALREADY WHAT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES, WHETHER IT'S SAINT JOHN'S OR FISH AND WILDLIFE OR ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, MELBOURNE, TILLMAN, YOU KNOW, WHOMEVER WOULD ALSO HAVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
THEY BRING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES TO THE TABLE IN RESPECTS TO PROJECTS.
SO I THINK THAT REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT IS ALREADY SET.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I SEE WITH THAT, THOUGH, IS IT'S ABOUT A CHECKLIST.
THEY GO DOWN A CHECKLIST AND THEY SAY, OKAY, YOU MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT HOW IT'S AFFECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE ONE PLACE WHERE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND I THINK ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN, IF IT'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND ENHANCE THIS CITY, THERE HAS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
I BELIEVE THIS IS THE PERFECT VENUE FOR THAT.
AND IF THERE WAS SOME AT LEAST ENCOURAGEMENT, I WOULD PREFER A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY AT LEAST DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THOSE GREEN SPACES AND TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A BURDEN ON THE CITIZENS WHO ALREADY INVESTED HERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTION THAT WOULD GIVE THIS THIS BOARD GOOD VALUE.
AND IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN FLOOR WITH ALL THIS OVERDEVELOPMENT HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING OFF CHECKLISTS, I THINK WE CAN INVITE DEVELOPERS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN REQUIRE THEM COME.
NOT EVERYTHING, BUT ONE THING THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS FOR THE FUTURE ISN'T THE SEXIEST THING, BUT ORLANDO WETLANDS IS I THINK SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE A BAD IDEA.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ON SEWER AND ORLANDO WETLANDS, THEY MANAGE SOME OF ORLANDO'S SEWAGE, GOES INTO A NATURAL WETLAND WHERE IT'S FILTERED.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO WALK. YOU KNOW, IT'S THEY HAVE TOURS THROUGH THERE.
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IT'S OPEN, IT'S FREE. BUT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOVELY PLACE AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PALM BAY TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO PLAN FOR A WAY TO MANAGE OUR SEWAGE.WE CAN'T JUST DUMP IT SOMEWHERE AND EXPECT IT TO CLEAN ITSELF.
WE HAVE TO HAVE. AND THIS IS THE BEST. ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, IT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THE NUTRIENT POLLUTION. AND THE OTHER YUCK OUT OF THE WATER IS TO CREATE A WETLANDS LIKE THAT.
SO FIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WORKS ON THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES, BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY A LOT OF ENERGY THERE. AND THEY DID THE BIOCHAR WONDERFULLY THERE.
BIOCHAR PROJECTS. SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
WITH OUR POPULATION GROWING, WATER AND SEWER ARE GOING TO BE MAJOR CONCERNS.
SEWER MANAGEMENT. SO THAT'S A YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE MY BICYCLE.
I BICYCLE THROUGH ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HERE, NOT BILLS, BUT IT'S A LITTLE TOO FAR.
BUT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE THEIR. RAIN, YOU KNOW, THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS UP, IT JUST REEKS. IT'S JUST SO CLEAR THAT OUR SEWAGE IS NOT BEING MANAGED PROPERLY.
THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF SICKNESS HERE, BUT KIDS DON'T PLAY THAT WAY HERE MOST OF THE TIME.
SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THAT, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK INTO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME COMING UP. AND APOLOGIES.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT YOU WERE READY TO PRESENT, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK.
IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE DEFINITELY. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, IF WE MAY.
I'LL BE SURE. I'LL BE QUICK. HERE I'M. GO SIT DOWN.
I'LL BE QUICK FIRST. THE FIT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN VOTE ON TONIGHT TO? YOU SAID ABOUT. YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO DOVETAIL US, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
POTENTIALLY. IMMEDIATELY. YEAH. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN A HUGE HURRY.
I TAKE MY DIRECTION FROM THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS OR COME UP WITH A PROJECT IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S ALREADY ALIGNING WITH SOMETHING WE'RE DOING, WE CAN EXPAND THAT SCOPE.
SAID, DO YOU GUYS NEED TO DECIDE? OKAY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PRIORITIZE TIME CLOCK TO SAY IF YOU DON'T MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONE. NO, I JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME IDEAS TONIGHT. OKAY. WELL, THAT SOUNDED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FIT INTO PRETTY QUICK.
QUICKLY. YEAH, YEAH. OR AT LEAST START HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS QUICKLY. CORRECT.
THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO GO BACK TO IS YOUR IDEA OF THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS OF THE BOARDS THAT WE HAVE A VALUE JUST IN OURSELVES, WITH THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE AND THE INFORMATION.
AND HOW COULD DO YOU SEE YOUR POSITION AS CITY MANAGER, WORKING WITH ALL THE BOARDS THAT WE COULD HAVE? THAT WE PEOPLE, MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, COULD BE AD HOC MEMBERS OR ADVISORY MEMBERS LIKE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD, LIKE THEY HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD.
COULD WE ALSO HAVE A PLACE AT THESE BOARDS AND IN FACT, EVEN AT THE GROWTH AND LAND MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT WHERE THE CONVERSATIONS ARE ABOUT THE WETLANDS AND THE TREES.
AND WHEN SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE GETTING MADE.
IS THERE A PLACE FOR UTILIZING OUR EXPERTISE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY THERE? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CHARTER AND THE OPERATIONAL MANDATE THE BOARD WAS GIVEN WHEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SET UP BY THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, BY THE COUNCIL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE SCOPE. YOU CAN ALWAYS PARTICIPATE.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A FORMAL PROCESS.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED OR INTIMATED TO BE AUTHORIZED.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY FORMAL PROCESS. I'M OUT OF THE BOX ON THIS ONE.
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YEAH. AND I CAN'T INVENT ONE. I WOULD I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER.AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY INTENTION RIGHT NOW TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING EVEN AT DECISION STAFF MAKES SHOW US PUBLIC VALUE, SHOW US ROI, SHOW US HOW YOU CAN DO BETTER. HOW YOU CAN BRING MORE. IF WE'RE SPENDING DOLLARS, SHOW US WHAT THAT MEANS. AND SO I'M BRINGING MY IDEAS BASED OFF WHAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT STRIKE A CHORD WITH YOU OR EVEN BE RELEVANT.
SO COUNCILMAN JAFFE AND COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME FORTH.
SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN COUNCILMAN HAMER HAD HIS TOWN HALL AT THE TURKEY CREEK.
CAN YOU HELP US GET THOSE APPOINTMENTS? NO, NO, NO.
I THINK WE HAVE A VERY ENGAGED. I'M BEING JUST VERY HONEST, VERY ENGAGED, VERY SMART, VERY ANALYTICAL, ALSO A VERY COMPASSIONATE COUNCIL. THEY CARE ABOUT THE CITY VERY DEEPLY.
I MEAN, I INTERACT WITH THEM ALL THE TIME, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE. THAT IS THE QUESTION I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS FROM THEM, BUT I DO NOT GIVE THEM DIRECTION WHATSOEVER.
I TAKE MY DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A TIME LIMIT FOR THOSE ROLES TO BE FILLED THAT I DO NOT KNOW? I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE CHARTER OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES, OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE A COPY OF IT TONIGHT.
YOUR GUIDELINES THAT THAT SPECIFY THAT I DO NOT KNOW.
AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO APPOINT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
FOR US TO BE A HEALTHY BOARD AND CONTINUE. RIGHT.
YES, YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND SINCE WE HAD A VOTE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE VOTE? OKAY. SEEING NONE. MOVING TO NEW BUSINESS, TOPIC NUMBER THREE WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING SCHEDULE REVISIONS.
MADAM CHAIRPERSON, IF I CAN ONCE AGAIN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AGAIN, JUST GOING OFF OF THE AUGUST 7TH MEETING AND WHAT WAS SAID THERE ABOUT FISCAL CONSERVATISM AND CONCERNS REGARDING STAFF COSTS, CITY COSTS, TO HAVE THE BOARD CONDUCT THESE MEETINGS.
I WANTED TO RECOMMEND. SO COUNCIL GIVES THE AUTHORITY FOR EVERY BOARD TO HAVE UP TO 12 MEETINGS.
THEY CAN HAVE ONE MEETING A MONTH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 12 MEETINGS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL 12. IN FACT, WHEN THERE'S NOT A QUORUM, YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING.
WE VOTED IN JUNE TO TAKE TAKE OFF, JUST AS COUNCIL DID.
WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING AT THAT POINT. JUST KIND OF MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD AS A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH MAYBE POSSIBLY DO EVERY OTHER MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH SO YOU COULD MEET ON JANUARY, MARCH, MAY, JULY, SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER, OR ALTERNATIVELY FEBRUARY, APRIL, JUNE, AUGUST, OCTOBER AND DECEMBER.
THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOURSELVES MORE TIME TO WORK ON WHATEVER PROJECT YOU'RE WORKING ON, GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO FINALIZE EVERYTHING, AND THEN BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL. AND THEN IT ALSO SHOWS THEM THAT YOU'RE BEING CONSCIENTIOUS, CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO RECOMMEND.
ULTIMATELY, IT'S YOUR DECISION, AND FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
THANK YOU. DEREK. I WOULD I WOULD PROPOSE THAT UNTIL WE GET FEEDBACK ON WHAT DIRECTION TO GO TO REVISIT THAT, I WOULD SAY TO TABLE IT. THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY. DO I NEED TO GET A MOTION FOR THAT? JUST TO BE SAFE.
LET'S LET'S DO IT. OKAY. LIKE, IF SOMEONE COULD SECOND THAT EMOTION.
CAN CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION FIRST IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN MORE DISCUSSION? YEAH. A LOT OF TIMES OUR DECEMBER MEETING DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S CHRISTMAS.
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SIMILAR THINGS HAPPEN IN THE SUMMER WHERE WE LOSE QUORUM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION AND SCHOOL'S OUT.SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SIX MEETINGS, BUT I THINK WE COULD EASILY SAY THAT WE CAN GO TO 10 OR 8 MEETINGS A YEAR, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS GOOD TO LOOK PRACTICALLY AT AT IT FROM A POINT OF.
WE MEET THE FOURTH MEETING, THE FOURTH RIGHT NOW, THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
SO WE KNOW THAT NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER ARE OFTEN A PROBLEM.
AND JUNE, WHEN THE COUNCIL DOESN'T MEET. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO GO AT LEAST TO NINE MEETINGS A YEAR, DOWN TO NINE WITH THAT IN MIND.
SO. SO USUALLY IT'S NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER WHERE CHALLENGED WITH ON THE FOURTH, WEDNESDAY OR FIFTH WEDNESDAY, WHATEVER WE ARE. SO THAT'S AS REBECCA SAID, THERE'S THREE RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE NOT DOING AND I, I MEAN, I AM VERY RESPECTFUL OF STAFF TIME AND THEIR ABILITY TO PLAN WHEN OR NOT TO HAVE TO COME TO THIS. SO ARE YOU SAYING ELIMINATE TONIGHT THE VOTE ON NOVEMBER. DECEMBER? WELL, I THINK WHAT DEREK'S ASKING DEREK'S ASKING FOR A CONSOLIDATED APPROACH LIKE FOR NEXT YEAR MOVING FORWARD THIS WOULD BE YOUR YOUR FREQUENCY AND YOU ALL AREN'T SPEAKING TO THAT.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING, HEY, WE NORMALLY MISS THE MEETINGS, THEREFORE WE DON'T REALLY EVEN GET THE 12.
WELL, I WAS JUST COMMENTING ON REBECCA'S DISCUSSION.
REALLY? YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY OTHER MONTH WORKS.
SO TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE HAVE THREE IN THE SPRING, THREE IN THE SUMMER AND THREE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, OR TWO IN THE WINTER OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO IT OR HOW WE WOULD CALL IT.
BUT ONCE WE'RE INTO JANUARY, WE REALLY RUN PRETTY SMOOTHLY UNTIL SUMMER.
SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD VOTE ON LATER UNTIL WE YOU CAN.
ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN TABLE THE YOU CAN TABLE THE DISCUSSION.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FOR LATER DOWN THE LINE.
AS I SAID, IT WAS JUST A RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY STAFF.
IT'S NOT SET IN STONE UNTIL YOU VOTE ON IT. YOU CAN EVEN.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IN FOR JUNE WHEN WE WHEN WE TOOK OFF TO MIRROR COUNCIL, THE MEETING BEFORE THE JUNE 1ST, WE WE BROUGHT IT UP THEN SO YOU COULD BRING IT UP ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. SO IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT DISCUSSION FOR NOW, JUST MAKE A MOTION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC IF IF WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, TO JUST TAKE THEM OFF THE CALENDAR SOONER RATHER THAN LAST, MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT OR.
SECOND? YES. DON'T WE HAVE TO SET A TIME WHEN YOU TABLE IT, TOO? TO. IT'S WHENEVER YOU BRING IT BACK UP. OKAY.
CAN I GET A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE.
AYE. AYE. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE APPROVE THAT, IS THERE? PUBLIC COMMENT ON. OKAY. SO IS THERE ON THAT? IS THERE A CONFLICT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? SO BILL DID BRING ABOUT THE BUDGET MEETINGS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME TO RESCHEDULE THE SEPTEMBER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL, AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST THAT COULD SEND US TWO OPTIONS OR SOMETHING? YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO ALTERNATIVE DATES. OKAY.
YEAH. SO THAT DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT? NO.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US SOME ALTERNATIVE DATES FOR US THROUGH EMAIL.
YEAH. JUST AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, OR EVEN LIKE WITH THE WORKSHOPS, WE'VE SENT OUT THOSE DATES.
EVERYBODY HAS SAID, THIS IS WHAT WILL WORK FOR ME.
YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OTHER BUSINESS.
[OTHER BUSINESS]
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UPCOMING MEETINGS, EVENTS OF INTEREST. ANYONE WANTS TO SHARE? I HAD ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THE POROUS CONCRETE.CAN OFFER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FROM LOOKING INTO IT, POROUS CONCRETE IS A NICE IDEA.
IT'S NOT AS DURABLE AS SOLID CONCRETE. THE PROBLEMS WITH CONCRETE.
A FEW YEARS AGO, WE HAD TO GIVE BACK HALF $1 MILLION IN A GRANT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH CONCRETE. CONCRETE ABSORBS ALL OF THE WATER.
IT DOESN'T PASS THROUGH. IT DOESN'T PASS THROUGH CLEANLY, EITHER.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ORGANIZATION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS PAVERS. PAVERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING AS CONCRETE.
PAVERS ARE SOLID. THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS HAVE PAVERS OVER THREE GRADES OF ROCK OR GRAVEL. SMALL TO LARGE. THAT HELPS FILTER THE WATER AS IT GOES INTO THE GROUNDWATER.
AND WE'RE SEVERELY LACKING IN THAT. I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT WE GAVE BACK THAT GRANT BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE DONE SIMPLE THINGS LIKE TELL PEOPLE, IF YOU PUT PAVERS IN YOUR DRIVEWAY WE COULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THAT.
AND WE WEREN'T LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTIONS THAT WERE THERE.
IF THE MONEY WAS THERE, WE COULD HAVE GIVEN IT RATHER THAN GIVE IT BACK TO THE STATE.
AND IT'S A MUCH BETTER WAY OF CLEANING THE GROUNDWATER.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THE POROUS CONCRETE IS HAVE YOU EVER SEEN CRACKS IN A HIGHWAY WITH PLANTS GROWING OUT OF THEM? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IF YOU USE IT FOR ROADS OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE THERE EVENTUALLY WILL BE THINGS GROWING THROUGH IT.
AND IT'S IT'S LONG TERM. EFFICACY JUST ISN'T THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT WILL BREAK DOWN BECAUSE THE PARTICLES ARE LOOSE.
THE OTHER ADVANTAGE TO THE STATE'S RECOMMENDATION IS WITH THE ROCKS.
THE GROUND DOESN'T SINK AS MUCH AS IT WOULD WITH HAVING POROUS CONCRETE LAYING ON TOP OF IT.
I LOOKED AT IT. IT LOOKED LIKE A NICE IDEA, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON A WALL AND HAVE PLANTS GROWN OUT OF IT, THAT'S GREAT. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA.
SO, EILEEN, WHEN WHEN THE MAYOR WAS SAYING PERMEABLE PAVERS.
NO, HE SAID CONCRETE. OH, I THOUGHT HE WAS SAYING PERMEABLE PAVERS.
NO. WHAT'S HIS FAVORITE THING? SO THESE PAVERS, THEY'RE EASIER TO REPAIR BECAUSE YOU CAN DO YOU CAN LIFT. PAVERS ARE SOLID. THEY'RE COATED. THEY'RE NOT PERMEABLE.
THE WATER WASHES OFF THEM AND PASSES THROUGH AROUND IT.
IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT, THOUGH. IT REALLY ISN'T.
AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SETTING TIME THAT THE CONCRETE HAS.
OR AND THEN IT HAS TO BE BLACKTOP ON TOP OF IT.
YOU'RE CONSTANTLY REPAIRING CONCRETE AS IT IS, BUT FOR GROUNDWATER PURPOSES CONCRETE PERIOD IS NOT FOR ACCOMMODATING, BUT IF IT'S PERMEABLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A NICE IDEA BECAUSE THE WATER WILL PASS THROUGH.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. BUT CONCRETE ISN'T A GOOD CLEANING AGENT FOR A WATER EITHER, RIGHT? PLUS PARTICLES THAT WILL BREAK DOWN INTO INTERRUPTING TO A MOMENT WERE OFF OFF AGENDA.
AND COULD A WE MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT IF YOU WANT.
THIS IS THE KIND OF DISCUSSION THAT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AT FUTURE MEETINGS.
YES. WELL, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS WHAT THE MAYOR PROPOSED.
I WOULD DEFINITELY, MAYBE MAKE SOME NOTES. I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT FRESH.
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AT THAT TIME. BUT YES, THANK YOU FOR GOING AND RESEARCHING THAT AND KIND OF GETTING GETTING THE BALL RUNNING.SO BACK TO THE UPCOMING MEETINGS. THERE WAS A FORM HERE.
YES. SO I GAVE EACH OF YOU A FORM. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH RESTORE OUR SHORES.
THEY'RE DOING THE OYSTER REEF RESTORATION PROJECT.
RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE CURRENTLY GOING TO INSTALL THE GAMBIAN CAGES IN CASTAWAY POINT PARK.
I PUT THOSE UP THERE JUST IN CASE YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING.
THEY HAVE OPEN DAYS ON SEPTEMBER 2ND AND SEPTEMBER 9TH FROM 9 A.M.
TO 1 P.M. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO DO, THAT'S THE FORM.
YOU FILL IT OUT AND THEN SEND IT TO THE EMAIL ADDRESS ON THE POST-IT NOTE.
AND THIS WAS FOR THE OYSTER GARDEN. YEAH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO NEED HELP.
I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WAS PUTTING THE CAGES IN THE WATER, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO GET INTO THE WATER AND PUT THE CAGES, HELP INSTALL THOSE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER DAYS OUTSIDE OF THOSE, TOO, WHERE THEY MAY NEED HELP SHOVELING THE SHELL, THE COQUINA. THEY MAY HAVE WORK ON THE BARGE THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS THAT I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT FORM IS UP THERE. THAT'S WHAT THAT FORM IS.
VERY NICE. THANK YOU. AND I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL AS WELL.
DIGITIZE ONE AS WELL. THAT WAY IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS OR FAMILY, ANYBODY ELSE THAT YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU CAN PASS IT ALONG. NICE. THANK YOU. YEAH, IT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT.
THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING US. IS THERE A DATE TO HAVE THIS RETURN BY US? I MEAN, SOONER THAN LATER. THEY START SEPTEMBER 2ND.
I, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY BY FRIDAY. THIS FRIDAY? YEAH, PROBABLY SEPTEMBER 2ND AND NINTH FROM 9 A.M.
TO 1102 1 P.M. OR 1 P.M.. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANKS.
OKAY. AND THEN THEY MAY HAVE SOME DAYS OUTSIDE OF THAT TO DO OTHER ACTIVITIES, BUT.
AND ONCE WE FIND OUT WHAT THOSE DAYS ARE, I CAN SEND THAT IN AN EMAIL AS WELL.
OKAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. IS THERE ANY OTHER EVENTS? I JUST WANT TO BRING UP THE LANDSCAPING WITH FLORIDA NATIVES TOUR ON NOVEMBER 9TH, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY IN PALM BAY THIS YEAR AND SOUTH MELBOURNE. I KNOW A COUPLE CITY MANAGERS AGO THAT ONE MENTIONED THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE PALM BAY, THE CITY, SPONSOR IT. NOT NOT WITH MONEY, BUT JUST LIKE WITH SOME ADVERTISING.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR MONEY. YEAH. AND I WANTED TO ASK WHO SHOULD I GET WITH ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE IT IS IN PALM BAY. I MEAN, WE REALLY SHOULD HIGHLIGHT PALM BAY.
THE BEST. THE BEST DIVISION TO TALK TO WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
SO IT COULD BE WORTH MAKING A MEETING WITH THE CMOS OFFICE TO FIND OUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO, IF THEY ARE DOING IT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST, BEST BET.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OF COURSE, I HOPE WE ALL GO TO THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DATE? NOVEMBER 9TH.
9 TO 4. I THINK THIS IS VERY GOOD TO BE AT IT.
IT FITS IN WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR US TO BE MORE VISIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I LIKE THAT. AND ALSO, I WANTED TO BRING UP ABOUT MARK'S MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL IS HAVING THEIR FIFTH ANNUAL LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, OCTOBER 29TH AND 30TH.
OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF IS ALREADY SIGNED UP AND GOING AND OTHER GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF LAST YEAR.
SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE US ALL TO DO THAT. WHAT WAS THE DATES AGAIN? OCTOBER 29TH AND 30TH. IT'S WEDNESDAY. THURSDAY.
AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE IDEA TO. EILEEN, YOU WERE MENTIONING THIS ABOUT ATTENDING OTHER BOARDS LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD, THINGS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WITH THE WATER QUALITY AND THE PERMEABLE CONCRETE.
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I THINK THESE BOARDS ARE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MONTHLY.I KNOW YOU GO, I GO, LET'S MAKE IT PART OF THESE MEETINGS AND BRING IT BACK AND HAVE THE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU WERE ATTEMPTING TO INITIATE TONIGHT THAT WE START SHARING THIS KIND OF INTER KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN THE BOARDS, BUT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON THEIR BOARD AND THEY CAN IMPACT US AS WELL.
AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TO BRING UP THE ORCA PROJECT? YES I WAS. SO THE ORCA IS THIS IS A 20 YEAR OLD NONPROFIT GROUP IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S OCEANS RESEARCH AND ASSESSMENT ASSOCIATION.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUFFERED SHORELINE. WE HAVE AN OYSTER LIVING SHORELINE NOW.
AND THIS GROUP COMES IN, ASSESSES THE CONDITION AND THE THE AVAILABILITY, THE WORKABILITY.
AND THEN THEY GET GRANTS. THEY GET GRANTS. THEY NOT ONLY INSTALL THE BUFFERED SHORELINE, THEY MONITOR AND MAINTAIN THE SHORELINE. AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL PAID FOR.
SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT CASTAWAY COVE IS DOING THAT.
BUT CASTAWAYS POINT PARK HAS ALSO JUST PASSED THAT THERE WILL BE AN OYSTER LIVING SHORELINE THERE. IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THAT, BUT IT IS HAPPENING AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
THAT WOULD ADD VALUE TO US, I THINK. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER EVENTS? ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 747. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.