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SO I'M GOING TO CALL THIS SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
2025-21 TO ORDER. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY COUNCILMAN MIKE HAMMER.
WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HURRAH! MISS LEFFLER. ROLL CALL. MAYOR MEDINA PRESENT.
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DEPUTY MAYOR. JAFFEE. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN.
LANGEVIN. PRESENT. MR. MORTON. PRESENT. MISS SMITH.
OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND. MR.
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MORTON. THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, I HAVE A STATEMENT TO READ TO THE RECORD.THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, HAS TENTATIVELY ADOPTED AN OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 0.7339 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. THE TENTATIVE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 6.7339 EXCEEDS THE TRIM CURRENT YEAR AGGREGATE ROLLBACK RATE OF 6.4071 BY 5.10%.
CONTRIBUTING TO THE OPERATING MILLAGE. RATE INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE.
IS FUNDING REQUIRED POLICE AND FIRE PENSION CONTRIBUTION OBLIGATIONS OF 11 MILLION, RESULTING IN A 30.6% INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, 2.9 MILLION IN HIGH PRIORITY FUNDING NEEDS, INCLUDING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS REQUIRING PAYMENT.
$2.5 MILLION CONTINGENCY SET ASIDE FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES.
VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND PENDING. NEIGE WHITE AND NEIGE BLUE UNION CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS 4.5 MILLION IN HEAVY FIRE RESCUE VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT INCLUDING FOUR FIRE ENGINES, SLASH QUINTS AND ONE NEW HEAVY RESCUE.
CONTINUING TO FUND ANNUAL ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND INVESTMENTS TOTALING 3.25 MILLION.
THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA HAS ALSO TENTATIVELY ADOPTED A DEBT MILLAGE RATE OF ZERO POINT OF 0.9993 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026.
THE TENTATIVE DEBT MILLAGE RATE SHALL GENERATE ESTIMATED REVENUES TOTALING 10,000,013 $13,744, BASED ON THE GROSS TAXABLE VALUE CERTIFIED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, ASSUMING AN ESTIMATED 96% COLLECTION RATE.
THESE REVENUES ARE RESTRICTED AND ARE DESIGNATED FOR PAYMENTS OF THE G.O.
BOND SERIES 2019 DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TOTALING $3,529,500.
THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2021 DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TOTALING $3,449,150, AND THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2023 DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TOTALING $3,035,825, ALL DUE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET YEAR.
ALL CONCERNED CITIZENS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX INCREASE TO BE HELD ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2025 AT 6 P.M. IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, LOCATED AT 120 MALABAR ROAD, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA. 32907. THAT IS THE REQUIRED STATEMENT.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Q ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO HANDS RAISED, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVING ON TO BUSINESS.
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ITEM NUMBER ONE, MR. MORTON. THANK YOU. IT'S CONSIDERATION OF THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526 RE COMPUTATION, IF NEEDED, AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE FINAL TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE AND PERCENTAGE INCREASE, IF ANY, OVER ROLLBACK RATE.AND WE DO NEED COUNCIL TO SET A RATE TONIGHT, OR AT LEAST TENTATIVELY SET THAT RATE SO WE CAN ADVERTISE FOR THAT RATE AND BE IN COMPLIANCE FOR THE NEXT BUDGET HEARING. THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE COUNCIL. I'LL NEED TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS TO SET THE TENTATIVE OPERATING RATE FOR TAX YEAR 2026, I WOULD IMAGINE. AND THEN THE DEBT MILLAGE RATE.
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SO I NEED A MOTION. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE OPERATING RATE.AT WHAT? SIX. THREE. THREE. NINE? YES. 6.73396.7339.
I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN A SECOND.
I NEED A I GOT A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.
CARRY ON. I KNOW WE ARE AT A POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO, BUT I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE 6.3 OR THE 6.73. I'M. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO POSSIBLY LOWER OUR, OUR MILLAGE RATE TO POSSIBLY A65 SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINES. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WORK AT GETTING OUR MILLAGE RATE DOWN.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE DO NEED THINGS HERE. I'M SEEING WHAT COUNCIL THINKS ABOUT THAT.
I WAS GOING TO TAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 6.4071, THE ROLLBACK RATE.
DEPUTY MAYOR. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, COUNCILMAN HAMMER, IS LIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE NO TONIGHT ON THE 6.7339? YES, SIR. SO JUST COUNTING THE VOTES LIKE WE WON'T GET THERE.
SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A MILLAGE RATE THAT WE CAN HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY ON IF THE RECORD BREAKING CAP, OR AT LEAST A MAJORITY ON IF WE'RE NOT BREAKING THE CAP.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MORTON? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO, MR. MORTON, WHERE ARE WE NOW? I KNOW THAT COUNCIL GAVE YOU A DIRECTION FOR THE 6.339.
AT THIS POINT, THIS IS AN AND STAFF ALREADY WORKED ALL THESE NUMBERS IN THAT REGARD.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW WE PROCEED AT THIS POINT? SO I TOOK THE BUDGET CALCULATIONS DOWN AS LOW AS 6.5, TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL CUT OF $2.334 MILLION AND CHANGE. I'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE CUTS, WHICH WILL LEAVE US BASICALLY WITH A NET OPERATING RESERVE OF LESS THAN $700,000 FOR THE YEAR. IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE CUTTING $1 MILLION FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY LONG TERM LAND.
IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE CUTTING SOME MONEY FROM A SINKING FUND AND RETURNING SOME MONEY FROM THE PROPOSED BUILDING, A TAKE BACK BACK TO GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY.
WE'RE YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE BUDGETING DOWN TO THE NICKEL. BUT WE DID GO DOWN AS FAR AS THAT SIX, FIVE TO, TO MAKE MAKE THAT NUMBER WORK RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
COUNCILMAN. YES. MAYOR. SO JUST FOR, FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
OKAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHARTER AND MAYBE WE CAN GET GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY CLERK.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT IN A IN A PRIOR VOTE, I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR SHOULD RETRACT HIS SECOND, AND I'LL RETRACT MY MOTION. AND WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION TO VOTE ON IF WE'RE WILLING TO BREAK THE 3% CAP AT ALL.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AFTERWARDS. THAT SHOULD BE FINE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE DON'T WE COULD JUST TALK. THAT IS CORRECT.
OKAY. SO SO YOU'RE REMOVING YOUR SECOND. YEAH I'LL REMOVE MY SECOND.
OKAY. SO YOUR MOTION DIES WITHOUT A SECOND. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, I STILL NEED A MOTION.
SO, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT AS A COUNCIL, WE AGREE WE'RE GOING TO BREAK THE 3% CAP.
I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. LET ME HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THIS. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.
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AYE. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. NAY. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER.AYE. COUNCILMAN. LANGEVIN. AYE. MAYOR. MEDINA.
AYE. SO PASSES 4 TO 1. WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
GENTLEMAN IS APPARENTLY 6.339 IS IS WHAT EVERYONE HAD AGREED TO EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
AND SO WE GAVE DIRECTION TO TO OUR CITY STAFF AND THEY MADE ARRANGEMENTS REGARDING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALL. SO WHERE WHERE DO WE WANT TO LAND IN THIS? YOU'RE RIGHT. THE ROLLBACK RATE IS 6.4. AND TO GET TO THAT RATE, WE'RE BUSTING THE CAP AS IT IS.
SO WHERE WHERE DO WE LAND? IF WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOVE THAT MADAM ATTORNEY, AT THIS POINT, DO WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY TO TO AGREE TO A 6.7339? YES. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A SUPERMAJORITY TO GET ROLLBACK.
IT'S JUST IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE THERE ARE THREE OF YOU THAT MAY BE OKAY WITH STAYING AT THE RATE, AND ANOTHER THAT'S STILL DECIDING A RATE ABOVE A ROLLBACK.
YOU SEEM TO BE A MAJORITY SUPERMAJORITY THAT'S WILLING TO EXCEED THE CAP.
BUT. BUT HOW MUCH? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MILLAGE RATE TO BE 6.06.590.
OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE A SECOND ON THAT.
LET'S GO BACK AND SEE WHERE WHERE THAT 6.590 IS WHERE WHERE YOU LEFT IT.
GENTLEMEN, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I'VE, WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS.
YEAH. IT DIES WITHOUT A SECOND. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WITH A 6.77 6.7339. AND WE GAVE DIRECTION. SO AT THIS POINT I'M NOT SURE WE'RE WE'RE BEING CLEAR TO STAFF AND I'M I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT STICKING TO WHAT WAS SAID.
SO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? YEAH.
MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION AT THE 6.5 RATE. NO.
SECOND. I GOT A 6.5, AND I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY.
COUNCILMAN HAMMER AT A 6.50, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR. OKAY, SO, MR. MORTON, HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT? THE NUMBERS. SO THAT'S AS FAR DOWN AS I'D ACTUALLY TAKEN THE CALCULATION.
JUST AS A PRELIMINARY CUT EXERCISE. AND AGAIN, I'LL BE GOING BACK WITH IDENTIFIED CUTS OF AN ADDITIONAL $2.334 MILLION AND LEAVING US WITH JUST AN EMERGENCY OPERATING RESERVE OF A LITTLE LESS THAN 700,000.
SO AGAIN, THIS THE NOTION I HAD OF SORT OF SELF INSURING AGAINST FUTURE LOSSES AND CUTTING COSTS.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, NOT TRIPPING OVER A DOLLAR TO PICK UP A DIME TYPE OF THING WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO INVEST FOR THE FUTURE INSTEAD OF ALWAYS COMING TO THE BUCKET WHEN WE DON'T HAVE MONEY AND THEN PAYING MORE THE MONEY FOR FUTURE POLICE STATION SITE WILL HAVE TO BE PUT ON PAUSE.
AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER SMALL CONSIDERATIONS.
WE'LL MOVE $100,000 FROM THE BUILDING, A TAKE BACK LINE TO THE CONTINGENCY, JUST SO WE CAN MAINTAIN CLOSE TO 700,000 FOR ANY UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES OR EMERGENCIES FOR FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. BUT IT DOES IT DOES FURTHER REDUCE THE BUDGET BY ABOUT 2.35 MILLION.
GENTLEMEN, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A $700,000 RESERVE.
I REALLY DON'T, AND THAT WE COULD BE SETTING UP THIS CITY FOR FAILURE.
I THINK WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON, GIVING OUR CITY MANAGER THE TOOLS SINCE HE'S STEPPING IN AND THEN LOOKING AT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITHIN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WHICH IS THE DIRECTION THAT EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL MADE.
AND SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.
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AND GIVEN US CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW WE CAN, HOW WE CAN MOVE THE CITY FORWARD.SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I WOULD I WOULD PREFER THAT WE GO BACK AND GIVE HIM THOSE TOOLS.
COUNCILMAN HAMMER. I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE IN THE STREETS.
I GET A LOT OF EMAILS. I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS.
I GET A LOT OF MESSAGES FROM PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EVEN COMFORTABLE WITH THE 6.5.
I THINK 6.5 IS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT 6.5 WOULD HAVE BUDGED WITHOUT EVEN GOING THAT FAR.
I DO BELIEVE THAT I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE CAP THAT WE HAVE WITH IT BEING BELOW ROLLBACK.
I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED ROLLBACK, BUT MY GOAL ON HERE WAS TO LOWER OUR MILLAGE RATE.
BUT I'M. I AM AT SIX FIVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CHANDLER. YEAH, SO I SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, I'M NOT GOING BACK ON WHAT I SAID.
I'M STAYING AT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE. I WANT TO GIVE OUR CITY MANAGER A CHANCE TO SUCCEED.
IT'S OUR JOB UP HERE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS.
BUT THE DECISIONS WE MAKE HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE CITY AT LARGE.
BUT I WANT TO GO. I WANT TO REGRESS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERY ALL THREE OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.
SO I THOUGHT I WAS TOLD BY EVERYBODY THAT WE WERE GOOD ON THAT.
WE'RE GOOD. THEY'RE SETTLING ON THE NUMBER. SHOULDN'T TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY. OKAY.
THE SIGNIFICANT VOTE IS WHEN YOU VOTE AS FAR AS WHAT THAT MILLAGE IS.
IF THAT MILLAGE THAT YOU ALL ARE VOTING EXCEEDS THE 3% CAP.
YOU NEED A SUPERMAJORITY TO DO THAT. OTHERWISE, YOU COULD HAVE A MILLAGE THAT EXCEEDS THE CAP IN WHICH A SUPERMAJORITY OF YOU HAVE NOT VOTED FOR, WHICH WOULD BE DEFINITELY IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
I CAN'T AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. THEN MAYOR, I'M STILL GOING TO BE ON WHAT I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I'M NOT BUDGING. COPY THAT. DEPUTY MAYOR.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. YES, I HAVE THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS AS COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN IS.
WE'RE. WE'RE SET UP HERE TO MAKE SOME VERY, VERY DIFFICULT CHOICES.
BUT THE FACT IS, WE ALL SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME DOING OUR OWN HOMEWORK, OUR OWN RESEARCH, SPENDING TIME WITH STAFF CITY MANAGER AND THEN COUNTLESS WORKSHOP MEETINGS.
AS TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR OF GIVING DIRECTION AND SETTING A BUDGET.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK SETTING A MILLAGE RATE OF 6.5 IS REALLY LIKE A POLITICAL PLAY.
JUST SAYING, HEY, LOOK AT ME. I DID SOMETHING NICE FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT WHAT'S $2.5 MILLION? IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, IT'S A VERY, VERY MINOR EFFECT OVER A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
AND. TO THE POINT OF WHAT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN SAID IS, YOU KNOW, I'M FEARFUL THAT WE'RE SETTING UP OUR CITY MANAGER TO FAIL. AND WE PROMISED THAT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE BROUGHT HIM ON, THAT WE'D GIVE THEM ALL THE TOOLS NECESSARY FOR HIM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I THINK WE'RE LETTING THEM DOWN AT THIS POINT. YEAH.
AND I THINK WE HAD ALL AGREED TO GIVE HIM A SHOT.
EVEN COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN MADE THAT COMMENT EMPHATICALLY, RADICALLY THAT THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT HE SAID ON THIS ONE.
AND SO YOU KNOW, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, YOU, YOU, YOU SPOKE WITH PASSION.
SO RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I'VE GOT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON THAT WANTS TO SPEAK BEFORE AND THEN AFTER THAT.
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COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANT TO START WITH AS A COUNCIL.AS A BODY, WE'RE ALL WE. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE OUR MINDS.
I WAS AGAINST SPECIAL ELECTIONS. THEN I CHANGED MY MIND.
I WAS FOR THEM. I WAS I VOTED FOR THE REMOVING OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND THEN I CHANGED MY MIND TO BRING IT BACK. COUNCILMAN HAMMER IS.
HE HAS HIS FAIR RIGHT TO CHANGE HIS MIND ON WHETHER OR NOT HE SUPPORTS THE MILITARY OR NOT.
I WAS CLEAR ON NOT SUPPORTING IT, SO THE SUPERMAJORITY WAS STILL THERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WAS GOING TO BE HARD ON 6.4071.
BUT I HEARD OUR CITY MANAGER MENTIONED THAT HE WORKED WITH 6.50.
SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, LET'S WORK WITH THAT. EITHER WAY WHEN THINGS GET TIGHT FOR THE RESIDENTS, FOR OURSELVES, YOU HAVE TO TRIM FAT HERE AND THERE.
BUT WE'RE WE'RE NOT THERE YET. BUT IN THE SAME SENSE, I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE, PUT IT ON STAFF, LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE. LOOK AT WHAT YOU NEED TO TRIM.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT HOW WE CAN TRIM AND HOW WE CAN PUT IT ON THE STAFF AND PUT IT ON OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO, YOU KNOW, SHRINK DOWN THEIR BUDGET WHEN THE BUDGET IS TIGHTER FOR US, WE'RE NOT GOING OUT TO EAT AS MUCH.
ALRIGHT. SIMPLE AS THAT. SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT WE'RE TREATING IT THE SAME WAY.
WE'RE NOT. EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY UNTIL IT'S NOT.
SO LET'S LOOK AT OUR BUDGET. LET'S HAVE STAFF LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
WE'RE JUST THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, ALRIGHT? WE'RE NOT MEANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS AND TRY TO BE DETECTIVE AND FIGURE THIS OUT, FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US, AND WE FOUND THAT THEY WERE OVERPRICED OR OUT OVER BUDGETED.
SO LET'S NOT ACT LIKE THAT'S JUST THE ONLY TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER TIMES THAT WE PROBABLY AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN GO INTO THE NEXT YEAR READY TO GO.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO I'M JUST GOING TO ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING.
AND I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THIS TO YOU, COUNCILMAN HAMMER. BECAUSE I SEE WHERE YOU'RE AT, I SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, DEPUTY MAYOR MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN ARE AT.
SO THE 6.7339 IS IS NOT AMENABLE TO YOU. HOW CLOSE TO THE 6.733 WOULD YOU BE? WOULD IT BE 6.7. THREE THREE INSTEAD OF 9330? WHAT? HOW CLOSE CAN YOU GET TO THAT? NOW, HEARING WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING, I WOULD BECOME I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH A 6.59 LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE BROUGHT UP, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH OUR CITY MANAGER.
THE 6.59 THE CITY MANAGER STATED WOULD. AND YOU HAVE THE MOTION FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, 6.50. SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE 6.5.
MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE HOW CLOSE? LIKE WOULD YOU GET TO THE 6.7330? KNOCK OFF THE NINE AT THE END. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF EVERYBODY I WILL WITHDRAW MY SECOND AND I WILL I WOULD BE I, I WOULD VOTE YES ON A 6.59 HEARING WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY BECAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY AT A STALEMATE.
OKAY. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, YOU WERE YOU WERE NEXT.
YEAH. SO FIRST I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I'M NOT BUDGING.
BUT OCTOBER 1ST IS WHEN WE'RE STARTING, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DOGE THE CITY.
I'VE TALKED TO CITY MANAGER ABOUT IT, BUT THE GUY CAME ON BOARD LIKE THREE MONTHS AGO.
HE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. I'VE ALREADY SEEN WHAT HE CAN DO IN THREE MONTHS.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO IN 12. BUT HE NEEDS TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND WHEN WE COME BACK TO THIS DISCUSSION NEXT YEAR, I PROMISE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, I'M GOING TO BE TAKING A MUCH DIFFERENT TONE ON OUR MILLAGE AND ON EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR FOR WHAT, FOUR BUDGET COUNCILS OR WORKSHOPS BEFORE THIS, AND I'VE SAID WHAT I'M GOING TO DO EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I'M NOT HERE TO BUDGE. I'M NOT HERE TO NEGOTIATE.
WHEN I SAY WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, I'M GOING TO DO IT. SO I'M NOT MOVING ON THIS.
I'M GOING TO GIVE OUR CITY MANAGER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED.
AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE IS GOING TO BE A LOT DIFFERENT. BUT IT'S BEEN A ROUGH YEAR.
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WE'VE GONE THROUGH A TEMPORARY CITY MANAGER. WE'VE JUST BROUGHT ON A PHENOMENAL NEW CITY MANAGER.WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS TO SUCCEED. AND QUITE FRANKLY, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD, THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT UP TO FIRE THE CITY MANAGER IS BECAUSE OF HOW FUNDS WERE BEING ALLOCATED IN THE PAST, AND A LOT OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TOWARDS NEW FIRE TRUCKS, TOWARDS ACTUALLY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, TOWARDS CAPITAL OUTLOOK. PHENOMENAL THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK THIS CITY ADDRESSED IN THE PAST.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY DONE PHENOMENAL THINGS IN JUST THREE MONTHS UNDER MR. MORTON. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT WE DO IN 12, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO SUCCEED.
THANK YOU. OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW, DID YOU REMOVE THAT SECOND, SIR? THE 6.50. OKAY, SO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S MOTION OF 6.50 DIES WITHOUT A SECOND. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, I PROPOSE TO COUNCILMAN HAMMER TO PERHAPS GO AS AS HIGH AS HE COULD. HE SAYS 6.590.
HE STILL PUTS THE COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW, 700,000.
AND I'M LEANING TOWARDS EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN AND YOURSELF SAID.
RIGHT. SO MY THOUGHTS ARE HOW CLOSE CAN WE GET TO HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER SUCCEED AND WORK ON THESE ISSUES? HOW CLOSE CAN WE GET TO THE 6.7339? IS THAT MAGIC NUMBER 6.7330 OR 6.73? TWO NINE? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET HIM EQUIPPED.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE 6.7339, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN EQUIP THEM SO HE DOESN'T HAVE HANDCUFFS AND NOT AND A MINIMAL RESERVE. AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. DEPUTY MAYOR THERE.
THE QUESTION THERE. YES, SIR. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M, I'M STILL AT THE 6.7339. OKAY. COUNCILMAN.
HAMMER. WHAT DOES OR THIS IS FOR CITY MANAGER.
MR. MARTIN WHAT DOES 6.59 BRING OUR EMERGENCY FUND TO? WOULD YOU GUESSTIMATE? ARE WE RUNNING CALC? I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO ADD.
YEAH. IT'S NEGLIGIBLE. PROBABLY BRINGS US UP TO CLOSE TO A MILLION BUCKS. YEAH, 900,000, A MILLION BUCKS. I WAS RIGHT, YEAH. MY GUESS. SO SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE, CLOSE TO $1 MILLION. 900,000 IS WHAT THE MATH LOOKS LIKE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO, GENTLEMEN, IS REALLY CONSIDER THIS.
AND AND WHERE WE'VE GONE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR CITY MANAGEMENT TO UNDERSTAND. HEY. THIS IS. I HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DAIS, AND I HAVE SEEN PUBLIC SAFETY GO WITHOUT FOR YEARS AT, AT AND EVEN AT THE MILLAGE RATE OF BEING EIGHT.
I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT 6.7330.
AND YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT 0.9 AND THAT'LL AFFECT IT MINIMAL.
WHAT WOULD THE EFFECT BE IF IT WAS 6.7330 AS OPPOSED TO 930? SO SAME THING. YOU'RE PROBABLY YOU'RE PROBABLY TRIMMING THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE THREE $400,000.
YEAH. FOR THAT 10TH OF POINT SIX. SO 6.5 WOULD HAVE YOU AT ABOUT 1.47 IN IN EMERGENCY. CORRECT. 6.5 NECESSITATES A TWO POINT ROUGHLY $4 MILLION CUT, 2.334 MILLION.
AND THEN I'D SHIFT MONEY BACK AGAIN FROM BUILDING A TAKE BACK AND SOME OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE HAD TO NOT LET ASSETS IDLE, TO PUT IT BACK, TO GET THE CONTINGENCY SOMEWHERE AROUND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE 1.2.
BUT WE'VE STILL GOT TO FUND WHATEVER OUTCOME, WHICH I CAN'T SPECULATE ON TONIGHT, BUT I CAN GUESS. ORDER OF MAGNITUDE 5 TO $600,000 FOR NEIGE. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE US SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND $700,000 IN TRUE EMERGENCY CONTINGENCY, EVEN IF WE RAISED IT FROM 6.5 TO OR TO 6.5 TO 6.65, 6.65 IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CALCULATION.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF IF WE COULD ALL AGREE ON 6.65, WE WOULD BE AT ABOUT 1.47.
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YEAH. AND WE WOULD STILL GET FIRE TRUCKS. WE WOULD STILL GET EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO MAKE SOME CUTS, BUT PROBABLY TO SOME OF THE DEFERRED AGAIN, THE DEFERRED INVESTMENTS, I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH THOSE LONG TERM INVESTMENT FUNDS SO WE CAN START LETTING OUR CAPITAL WORK FOR US INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS FEELING LIKE WE HAVE TO BORROW OR, YOU KNOW, GET FROM BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. PART OF IT IS THAT STRATEGIC PURCHASING COMPONENT, RIGHT, TO HAVE THINGS READY. LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, I GIVE AN EXAMPLE, I THINK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS ONE YEAR, WE SET OUR BUDGET RESERVE ASPHALT WENT FROM $120 TO $65 A TON, YOU KNOW, HALVED IN COST.THAT'S THE TIME TO ACCELERATE AND CATCH UP ON PROJECTS.
SO IT'S THAT SAME KIND OF MENTALITY OF BUILDING OUR OWN DOLLAR BASE.
SO WE'RE NOT ALWAYS FIGHTING THE NET PRESENT VALUE OF MONEY MOVING FORWARD THAT WE THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO TO PURCHASE WHEN IT'S ATTRACTIVE TO THE CITY, NOT JUST WHEN IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT PUTS US IN A HIGHER COST RATIO.
THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS IN LIKE FLEET MAINTENANCE. I'VE BEEN GETTING A REPORT AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WHERE THE M AND R IS 130, 147%, MEANING IN THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE ASSET, WE SPENT 150 TIMES THE COST OF THE ASSET, TRYING TO KEEP IT ON THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S FALLING APART AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO GO PURCHASE. SO I'M TRYING TO CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE WITH WHATEVER MONEY THAT WE DO HAVE ABOVE THE CAP IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WE'LL WORK WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ESTABLISHED, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE GOALS WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, IS TO STOP THAT THROWING GOOD MONEY AWAY AND GET TO THAT, TRY TO GET TO THAT STABILITY POINT AND TO YOUR POINT. THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF MOVES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. YOU KNOW, WE PUT THE SOFT HIRING FREEZE ON.
THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS US TO COME TO THE PLATE WITH REAL MEASURES THAT ALSO ADDRESS.
BUT I SAID IT DURING MY INTERVIEW, YOU WILL NEVER CUT YOUR WAY OUT OF THE BUDGET CRISIS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A SOLUTION OF TAKING BACK REVENUES, STRATEGIC CUTS, LOOKING FOR NEW REVENUE SOURCES AND THEN BEING WISER IN THE WAY WE INVEST OUR DOLLARS LONG TERM.
AND SOMETIMES THAT IS AN ON RAMP. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT TRYING TO START TO CREATE THOSE ON RAMPS. AND I REMEMBER STANDING THERE SAYING, YOU WILL NOT CUT YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS CRISIS. WE ARE. I USE THE NUMBER AGAIN TODAY.
WE'RE ROUGHLY $4 BILLION IN THE HOLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
JUST INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT IN ONE YEAR.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT TONIGHT. BUT WE'RE TRYING. I'M TRYING TO MAKE THOSE MOVES.
WE CAN ONLY CUT SO MUCH. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WILL BE HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH AND WHAT DIRECTION.
AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS COUNCIL WANTS US TO DIRECT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S END OF THE WORLD TONIGHT. I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE BIGGER PICTURE. KIND OF LIKE WE DO WITH THE ROLLBACK. YOU WERE WARNED FOR YEARS THAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS WARNED, YOU KNOW, WHAT SERVICES ARE WE? WHAT BECOMES EXPENDABLE.
AND THAT BECOMES A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU PICK SOMETHING YOU THINK IS LOW HANGING FRUIT. AND A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU WHY IT'S ESSENTIAL. YOU KNOW, MY EMAIL INBOX FILLS UP EVERY DAY WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUESTS WE GET ON A DAILY BASIS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND DO THESE THINGS. IT'S RESOURCE BASED.
SO SO WE'RE SAYING 6.65 IS NOT DOABLE. WHATEVER NUMBER YOU GIVE ME IS DOABLE.
YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS ON HOW WE INVEST OUR MONEY IN THE FUTURE.
YOU'RE TELLING US WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND WE WILL ADJUST TO THAT.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, REPRIORITIZES SOME OF THAT AND WE'LL SEE AGAIN WHERE WE GET TO IN THE BALANCE OF CUTS, SERVICE REDUCTIONS AND WHAT PRIORITIES THIS COUNCIL ESTABLISHES AS THE TOP END AND WHICH ONES ARE DECIDED TO BE NOT REALLY PRIORITIES ANYMORE.
TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S POINT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT'S REALLY NOT SO.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION SHOULD BE WHERE ARE WE TODAY? ARE WE READY TO TO START MAKING THOSE TOUGH CUTS BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING HIM ON, ON A, ON A POSITION WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE CUTS IN THE, IN THE FUTURE AND TO HIS ARGUMENT, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING AND SAYING, WHY ARE YOU CUTTING THESE SERVICES? WHAT WHAT SERVICES ARE WE CUTTING? WE HAVEN'T EVEN STRATEGICALLY DISCUSSED THOSE ISSUES.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH.
IT'S ONE THING TO SAY THAT WE COULD CHANGE OUR MINDS.
I GET THAT. AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE'RE CHANGING OUR MINDS ARE IMPACTING THE WHOLE YEAR DOWNRANGE.
AND TO HAVE 700,000 IN A CONTINGENCY FUND WHEN WE KNOW WHAT CAN BREAK WITHIN OUR CITY.
THAT'S ON THE VERGE OF REALLY NOT THINKING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS THE WAY WE SHOULD HAVE DONE.
PERHAPS MY GOAL WOULD BE IS LIKE COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN IS.
LET'S SEE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. HE'S ALREADY SPEAKING ABOUT GETTING STREAMLINING SOME SERVICES.
RIGHT. BUT MOREOVER, WHERE WHERE CAN WE GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS? WHAT? HOW ARE WE GOING TO REALLOCATE THESE THINGS? HE'S ALREADY THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE SET THEM UP FOR FAILURE IF WE CHANGE THINGS TODAY.
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SO I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT AND I AM STANDING FIRM ON THIS, SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WHERE FALLS, BUT I WANT TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE 6.7339 TO AFFORD OUR CITY MANAGEMENT TO AFFORD OUR STAFF TO START THINKING THINGS THROUGH, WHETHER IT BE ZERO. SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S WITHIN THAT RANGE.SO THAT BEING SAID, I STILL NEED A MOTION, GENTLEMEN.
MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL AFTER BUSINESS NUMBER FIVE.
I GOT A MOTION TO TABLE AFTER BUSINESS NUMBER FIVE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? DIES WITHOUT A SECOND. SO, GENTLEMEN, CAN WE GO INTO CAN WE GO TO 6.7330? MAYOR. I JUST EACH YEAR WE'RE GOING OVER THE CAP, AND THEN IT'S NEVER ENOUGH.
AND THAT TO ME AND I, I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN MR. MORTON. I'VE SHARED IT. I'VE SHARED IT WITH HIM MULTIPLE TIMES.
BUT THERE'S A WHOLE. THERE'S HOLES AND LEAKS SOMEWHERE.
ALRIGHT, SO, GENTLEMEN, I NEED A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE AT 6.65.
6.16.65. I'LL SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.
GOT A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE, I'M CALLING THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY.
NAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. AYE. COUNCILMAN.
AYE. COUNCILMAN. NAY. DEPUTY MAYOR. JAFFEE. NAY.
MAYOR. MEDINA. NAY. MOTION FAILS. DEPUTY MAYOR COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.
CAN YOU MAKE A MOTION SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT RANGE? YES, MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE TO 7.000.
THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. NOW, IF WE GO DOWN, WE LOWER IT.
YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE COULD GO OVER THE 7.0.
WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THE HIGHEST WOULD BE 6.776.7339.
SO WE DIDN'T HIT A SWEET SPOT WITH THE 6.5. CAN WE HIT A SIX SPOT WITH THE 6.7330? ANYONE WITH A AN ALTERNATIVE. WE GOTTA LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
I WAS AT 6.5 AND I'VE GONE UP 1.5. I MEAN, I'M I THINK WE GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE.
WE WE REALLY DO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD AT 6.5 WE GET WHAT WE NEED, BUT THERE'S ONLY $700,000 IN EMERGENCY FUNDS. WELL GUESS WHAT, WE WENT UP TO 6.5.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE IN EMERGENCY FUNDS NOW. OKAY, SO I'M.
WOULD YOU GO WOULD YOU GO THERE. IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN OFFER, SETTLE ON.
YES, BUT I'LL MAKE IT. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH IT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE TO 6.700.
I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. I GOT. I NEED A SECOND.
I'LL SECOND THAT. I NEED A SECOND. BY. I HAVE A SECOND BY.
COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? YES, MAYOR. ALL I'LL SAY IS THIS COUNCIL, JUST WITHIN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, HAS FOUND MONEY LEFT HANGING SEVERAL TIMES DURING COUNCIL MEETINGS.
JUST HERE, THAT'S ALL. MAYOR AND MY MY DISCUSSION IS WITH ME DOING THIS.
AND US, WE ARE FINDING MONEY. WE WE ARE GOING TO ATTACK THIS HARD NEXT YEAR.
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WE ARE GIVING OUR CITY MANAGER THE TOOLS. I, I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY AND WE WORK FOR THEM. WE WE WE ARE THE VOICE FOR THEM.WE ARE THE BOARD AND THEY ARE THE TRUSTEES. WE HAVE TO BE SETTING WHAT THEY WANT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE DO CUT SERVICES, GUESS WHAT? THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN I TELL MY KIDS, DON'T TOUCH IT, IT'S HOT. DON'T TOUCH IT, IT'S HOT. GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL IT'S HOT. SO I WILL GO FOR THE SIX SEVEN THIS TIME.
BUT PLEASE. WHEN WE COME BACK HERE NEXT YEAR, I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DRASTIC.
AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY. YEAH. AND KEEP IN MIND, WE LIKE COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN DISCUSSED.
WE HAVE DOGE COMING IN. WE HAVE SOME INTERNAL AUDITS THAT YEARS AGO.
AND TO YOUR POINT. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER TO YOUR POINT YEARS AGO, I WANTED AN AUDIT AND THERE WERE AUDITS BEING DONE, AND NOW THEIR INTERNAL OPERATIONAL AUDITS THAT ARE BEING DONE.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.
SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. I NEED ROLL CALL.
COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. I COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. NEY, DEPUTY MAYOR.
JAFFE A COUNCILMAN JOHNSON NEY MAYOR MEDINA A.
SO MOTION FAILS AT THE 6.700 MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL 6.7339 SECOND.
I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.
SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY. I NEED ROLL CALL.
COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. I, DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. AYE.
COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. NAY. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER.
NAY. MAYOR. MEDINA I SO, GENTLEMEN, I NEED I NEED TO HIT A SWEET SPOT HERE.
SO IN BASEBALL TERMS, I'VE BEEN. I'VE BEEN PITCHED A CURVEBALL AND A SPLIT FINGER FASTBALL.
RIGHT. AND IN IN THOSE TERMS, I THINK WE NEED TO COME INTO AN AGREEMENT HERE.
SO WE TRIED 6.76.339 IS A ZERO. WOULD YOU I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN SINCE WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT.
CAN WE GO 6.73 AND THEN ZERO ZERO? CAN WE CAN WE AGREE TO THAT THIS EVENING? YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO MY COLLEAGUES, MAYOR, IF WE CAN GO TO 6.700, THEN WE CAN GO TO 6.7339.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR, BUT I'M, I'M WHAT'S BEFORE ME TODAY IS THE ART OF COMPROMISE.
AND AND THAT'S WHERE I'M. I'M GUIDING THIS SHIP.
IT MAY BE 6.300. THAT COULD BE THE SWEET SPOT.
SO I, I'D LIKE FOR US TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT AND THAT STILL SOLVES A PORTION OF THE ISSUE.
COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO I'M GOING TO TELL A STORY.
SO THE PAST, THE PAST MONTH AND A HALF, EVERY OTHER THURSDAY WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING, I'VE BEEN RIDING AROUND WITH CHIEFS OVER ALL THE FIREHOUSES.
I ENDED UP VISITING ALL THE FIREHOUSES. WE WENT TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITES.
I GOT TO MEET QUITE A FEW CREWS. IT WAS PHENOMENAL.
THE, THE ONE CONSISTENT I HEARD FROM EVERY SINGLE CREW.
AND THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS FIRE TRUCKS AND FIRE APPARATUSES.
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IT'S OUR MOST EXPENSIVE DEPARTMENT. SO I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT THEY FEEL THAT WAY.WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THIS CITY APART. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I'VE SAID IT EVERY BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT WE'VE SAT UP HERE, BUT IT ALSO GOES BACK TO FIRE, IS ARE WE WILLING TO SACRIFICE A POSSIBLE $12 TAX INCREASE TO THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IN EXCHANGE FOR THEM LOSING $100 IN HOME OWNERS INSURANCE BECAUSE WE LOSE AN ISO RATING.
SO SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE THE CITY MANAGER LIKES TO SAY TRIPPING OVER A, A DOLLAR TO PICK UP A DIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MINUTE DIFFERENCES RIGHT NOW FOR THE FOR THE TAXPAYER.
AND I'M A TAXPAYER I GET IT I HATE TAXES. I'M ONE OF THE BIGGEST SUPPORT I GET.
I GET ATTACKED BY THE MELBOURNE MAYOR ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE SHOULD GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES. BUT RIGHT THIS SECOND, RIGHT IN THIS MOMENT, THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO PASS.
KEEP THE MILLAGE RATE THE SAME. GIVE OUR CITY MANAGER THE TOOLS TO SUCCEED BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, NEXT YEAR WE MAY NOT HAVE PROPERTY TAXES. IT MAY BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
SO LET'S KNOW THAT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, WITH ALL THE UNCERTAINTY AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE LINED UP, THAT WE HAVE THE TOOLS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER TO SUCCEED, THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY HAS THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO SUCCEED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES, IF WE MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS THE MILLAGE RATE AS IT WAS LAST YEAR, AND THEN WE GO IN FRESH ON OCTOBER 1ST AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HAMMER. YEAH I JUST WANT TO REITERATE 6.5.
WE'RE GETTING ALL THOSE THINGS STILL 6.65. THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS WE WEREN'T HAVING AS MUCH AS IN OUR EMERGENCY. 6.7 GIVES US ABOUT $2 MILLION IN EMERGENCY.
IF MY MATH IS CORRECT, 1.95 SOMETHING. WE'RE CLOSE.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING INTO TO THE BLACK HOLE. SO WHATEVER DELTA WE HAVE THAT'S LEFT OVER, IF WE CAN MANAGE THE YEAR WITH THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BUDGETED ON A ON A ONE YEAR ALLOCATION INSTEAD OF BUDGET COMEBACKS, YOU KNOW, I PROPOSE, AS I SAID BEFORE, TO PUT THAT DELTA TOWARDS PREPAYMENT OF OUR TWO YEARS OUT FIRE PAYMENTS.
WE HAVE TO TO SEAL THE DEAL ON THOSE FOUR VEHICLES.
SO 6.7 SUCCESSFULLY GIVES US EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED PLUS 1.9 IN EMERGENCIES.
WHAT IS OUR EMERGENCY FOR THE LAST FISCAL YEAR? YOUR EMERGENCY FUND? WELL, THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR EMERGENCY THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, SO IT WASN'T THIS. THIS IS THE DIFFICULTY I THINK WE'RE HAVING.
ANGELIA CAN COME UP AND TALK IF YOU WANT, AND YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS BETTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE'RE BUDGETING A DIFFERENT WAY. AND BEFORE, I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD SET A BUDGET SORT OF AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THESE BUDGET COMES BACK ALL YEAR AND THEN THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT ATTRITION RATES OR DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD HAPPEN.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE MECHANICS OF IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF IT WAS DONE THE WAY IT WAS, BUT IT WAS HISTORICALLY DONE, LET'S JUST SAY. AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SAID WE NEED YOUR ENTIRE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.
CATCH EVERYTHING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BUDGETING MONTH BY MONTH.
NOW THERE'LL BE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING, BUT WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK FOR THE MID-YEAR REQUESTS OF OH, BY THE WAY, WE WANT TO SPEND $1 MILLION HERE, 800,000.
SO I'VE ASKED DEPARTMENTS TO FILL OUT SORT OF A PRECURSOR EXERCISE TO THE ZERO BASED INITIATIVE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IN THE DOGE INITIATIVE IS WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO TRULY RUN YOUR DEPARTMENT? CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS. HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION? WE EXPERIENCE INFLATION LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR INCREASED MATERIAL COSTS, MATERIAL SHORTAGES? THOSE ARE ALL COOKED INTO THE BUDGET.
SO THE OVERAGE MILLAGE ISN'T MEANT TO CREATE NEW LINE ITEM BUDGETS.
I THINK IT'S A 30 YEAR INTERVAL SOMEWHERE NEAR THE 50 YEAR INTERVAL, THEY'RE NOT BEING MAINTAINED. AND IT'S PUTTING THAT EXTRA MONEY TOWARDS PREPAYMENT ON GUARANTEED PRICING FOR FOUR EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES THAT WE NEED FOR THE CURRENT OPS AND FOR OUR FUTURE STATION EXPANSION.
YOU JUST SORT OF BUDGETED YEAR ROUND BASICALLY BEFORE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN. WELL, WELL, WE HAVE THREE OF US COMFORTABLE AT 6.7.
SO WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE MIDDLE GROUND IS WITH COUNCILMAN.
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LANGERMAN WAS NEXT. YES. MR. MORTON, WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF EMERGENCIES THAT WE COULD FACE? AND AND WHAT ARE SOME, SOME COST ANALYSIS OF KIND OF EMERGENCIES AND EMERGENCIES THAT YOU COULD FORESEE OR OTHER CITIES HAVE, HAVE EXPERIENCED. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A LET'S TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE VERY LIKELY TO HAPPEN.YOU COULD HAVE AN HVAC, HVAC FAILURE, MAJOR HVAC FAILURE THAT'S NOT BUDGETED.
YOU SAW OUR FACILITIES BUDGET. WE TRIED TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS M AND O AND REPLACING OUTDATED THINGS.
BUT BUT YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE GET A, LET'S SAY WE GET AN M AND O FAILURE ON THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OR 50, 70, $100,000. IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF. LET'S SAY WE HAVE A LIFT STATION COMPONENT THAT ISN'T COVERED BY UTILITY LIABILITY, FAIL OR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB BUDGETING, I THINK, THIS YEAR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES.
ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS TRYING TO GET THE SINKING FUND IS WE'VE HAD A A LOSS.
SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THESE, YOU KNOW, ANOMALIES.
WE SAW SOME UNPRECEDENTED PRICE SPIKES, YOU KNOW, IN CHEMICAL COSTS.
AND I DON'T HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THAT YET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE INFLATION SETTLES OUT THIS YEAR.
SO IT'S JUST THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, GIVEN MARKET CONDITIONS AND CONSTRAINTS, GENERALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO YOUR BUDGET TO ANTICIPATE THINGS THAT WE JUST CAN'T FORESEE.
AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF OUR GENERAL FUND, YOU KNOW, LIKE A00 3%, I THINK I DID THE MATH EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THREE HUNDREDTHS OF A PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET AS A RESERVE IS IS, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN WHAT WE GENERALLY DO, YOU KNOW, IN A HOME BUDGET.
WE DO HAVE OUR HURRICANE CONTINGENCY THAT ROLLS FORWARD AND THAT'S THEIR STABILIZATION, WHICH IS 2.5%, WHICH HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IS WILL CONTINUE TO WORK.
BUT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THOSE ARE THE UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING.
AND IF WE FACE THEM, WE'LL COME BACK WITH REQUESTS.
YOU WILL SEE REQUEST TO SHUFFLE MONEY AROUND, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS CRITICAL NEEDS. AND TO CONTINUE WITH MY QUESTION, MR. MORTON. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING. WHAT DO WE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET DO WE ALREADY HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR I MEAN, WE JUST ALLOCATED $1.1 MILLION TO TO PAY OFF THE THE PIPE THAT BURST INTO TURKEY CREEK, WHICH WAS THE EMERGENCY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT FROM SOME OTHER POT THAT'S ALLOCATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, OR WOULD THAT ALSO BE COMING FROM EMERGENCY FUNDS? NO, WE WERE, PARDON THE EUPHEMISM. BUT WE WERE FORTUNATE THERE BECAUSE THAT CAME FROM AN ENTERPRISE FUND UTILITY.
IT STILL HURTS OUR LONG TERM. WE HAVE LONG TERM NEEDS, BUT AT LEAST WE DO HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, OPERATING CAPITAL IN THE UTILITY SERVICE RESERVE TO HANDLE THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
SO THAT WAS NOT A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
MAYOR. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN.
JOHNSON. I'LL MAKE A MOTION AT THE WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE RATE YOU SAID 6.7.
6.7. GOT A MOTION BY. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. SECOND.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ARE YOU YEAH. JUST SPEAK ON THIS.
YES, SIR. JUST REAL QUICK. I WAS I WAS SEARCHING FOR AN EMAIL FROM A YEAR AGO.
WHEN I ASKED FOR A BREAKDOWN OF THE USE OF UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE, AND I FOUND THE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR AT AT THAT TIME IT WAS 52,000 HR 66,000 TO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, 51,000 TO FINANCE, 1 MILLION TO IT, 3 MILLION TO POLICE, 7 MILLION TO FIRE, 2 MILLION TO PARKS AND FACILITIES ONE 181,000 TO PROCUREMENT 865,000. PUBLIC WORKS 337,000IN GROWTH, 82,000.
TO COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 171,000 TO RECREATION.
SO IT WASN'T FROM THIS PROCESS THAT THEY GOT FED.
IT WAS FROM THE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. SO I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE, BUT IT WAS ALSO TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE THE BALANCE THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TOUCHING, ME INCLUDED. I WAS VOTING ON IT. BUT I'M GOING TO TRUST HIM.
I TRUST IN MR. MORTON. I HEAR YOUR HEART. MAYOR.
YOU SAW I WAS AT SIX FOUR, SO I'M. I'M WORKING.
I'M GOING TO WORK WITH SIX SEVEN AND PRAY WE CAN GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
SO. SO TO THAT POINT I KNOW WE WE WENT DOWN ON A 6.73.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER GOING TO THE 6.73. AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY ON THAT.
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I FELT COMFORTABLE AT THE SIX SEVEN, SIR. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO YEAH I UNDERSTAND TO THE FINISH LINE BECAUSE LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 6.73, RIGHT, ZERO ZERO.AND THAT WOULD STILL THAT WOULD STILL PROVIDE THE 1.9 MILLION.
WAS IT IT WOULD STILL, I THINK WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK.
I OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE MILEAGE CALCULATOR IN FRONT OF ME. I'M DOING IT IN MY MIND. I THINK THAT'S CLOSE. I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY CLOSE ANALYSIS. WE BRING BACK A FINAL NUMBER YOU KNOW, WITH AN AMENDED BUDGET. SO WITH THE 6.73.
COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON, I THINK WITH YOUR VOTE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 6.7300. SO THAT MOTION FAILED BECAUSE WE I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, BUT I THINK WE COULD FINISH THIS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO AMEND IT TO 6.7300.
COUNCILMAN. HAMMER, WILL YOU PULL YOUR MOTION? I'M COMFORTABLE WITH 6.7. WE ALL FOUR. THAT FAILED ALREADY.
BUT HE CAN BRING IT BACK BECAUSE HE VOTED NO LAST TIME.
YOU WERE GOOD WITH 6.73. I WAS GOOD WITH 6.7.
I WAS GOOD WITH 6.7 AND US THREE SAID NO. KENNY AND CHANDLER SAID.
US THREE SAID YES. KENNY AND CHANDLER SAID NO.
CORRECT. NOW HE SAID NO. THAT WAS SIX POINTS BACK.
SIR, THAT WAS 6.73. NO, 6.7. I CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY. ARE YOU DONE? YEAH.
I'M GOOD. YOU'VE MADE THE FIRST MOTION. YOU SECOND IT AT 6.7, RIGHT? YEP. 6.7 WILL DO YOU. COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR? MR. MORTON, ARE YOU GOOD WITH 6.700 MAYOR AND COUNCIL? I WILL BE GOOD. AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE NUMBER YOU GIVE US.
OKAY. I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH 6.73. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH A 6.5. SO I THINK 6.7 IS IS ME ME GIVING A LOT.
I MEAN 0.339 FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO BUDGE IS KIND OF YEAH.
OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS 6.7000. AND I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMER.
ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. NAY.
ROLL CALL. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. AYE. COUNCILMAN.
JOHNSON. AYE. COUNCILMAN. HAMER. AYE. COUNCILMAN.
NAY. MAYOR. MEDINA. I'M GOING WITH I 6.700. IT IS.
GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEY, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES.
ANY. ANY. OPPOSE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MISS SMITH.
ORDINANCE 20 2534, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE TEN IMPACT FEES, CHAPTER 106 IMPACT FEES, SUBCHAPTER WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES BY ADJUSTING THE WATER CAPITAL CHARGES.
PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.
HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. MORTON, THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.
WE WILL HAVE STANTEC HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THIS IS ADJUSTING AS MISS SMITH READ THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES AND ADJUSTING THOSE WATER CAPITAL CHARGES. COUNCIL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? OKAY. SO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, I NEED A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20 2534.
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I'LL SECOND IT. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEY, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR? I JUST MAKE SOME COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IMPACT FEES ARE A A CONTENTIOUS THING TO BE DISCUSSED OFTEN. AND I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE NOTE THAT THE ECONOMY IS CHANGING RAPIDLY.
I MEAN, JUST TODAY, D.R. HORTON LAID OFF 350 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND I THINK THAT'S A GROWING TREND THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE AMONG THE THE HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY. AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE CITY'S REACTING A LITTLE TOO LATE ON INCREASING IMPACT FEES.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A DRASTIC INFLUX OF A REDUCTION IN PERMITS BEING SUBMITTED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IRONICALLY ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY GET TO A POINT IN TIME WHERE WE DISCUSSING DROPPING IMPACT FEES TO TO SPUR ECONOMIC GROWTH AGAIN. RIGHT? WE JUST WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SWEET SPOT LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT. AND AMID QUICKLY I KNOW THERE'S MUNICIPALITIES IN THE PAST HISTORICALLY LIKE OREGON ISLAND OF VERO BEACH, YOU KNOW 12 YEARS AGO GOT AWAY WITH IMPACT FEES BECAUSE THEY NEEDED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY NEEDED GROWTH. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M I'M FOR THIS RIGHT NOW.
JUST KNOW I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BIG DECREASE IN IN PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
COUNCILMAN. OH, GOOD. OKAY. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, MISS SMITH.
ORDINANCE 2025, DASH 35, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 20, UTILITIES CODE, CHAPTER 200 UTILITIES CODE BY ADJUSTING THE RATES, FEES, AND CHARGES FOR THE CITY'S UTILITY SYSTEM AND SERVICES.
PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT.
HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MA'AM MR. MORTON. THANK YOU AGAIN. MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. SAME APPLIES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AMENDING AND PASSING THROUGH COSTS, SERVICES AND CHARGES ON METERS, METER TESTING, METER FEES, ETC. THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL FEES IN HERE. AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE STAFF COME PRESENT IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S WISH.
IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO PRESENT.
THANK YOU. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? COUNCIL. WE'RE GOOD.
OKAY. SO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? BY A SHOW OF HANDS. DON'T ALL GET UP AT THE SAME TIME.
OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO PASS ORDINANCE 20 2535.
SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.
ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR? NOPE. COUNCILMAN HAMMER? NO, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MISS SMITH.
ORDINANCE 2025, DASH 36, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 20, UTILITIES CODE, CHAPTER 201 SEWER USE.
SUBCHAPTER MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS. BY ADJUSTING PERMIT FEES AND OTHER CHARGES RELATED TO THE CITY'S UTILITY WASTEWATER SYSTEM, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.
HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM.
MR. MORTON. THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, THE SAME LIMITED SCOPE ADDRESSING PRIVATE LIFT STATION INSPECTION BOTH DURING NORMAL AND AFTER HOURS. ALSO SMALL INCREASES TO THE COSTS THAT WE INCUR FOR OUR TYPE ONE, TWO AND THREE PERMITS FOR DISCHARGE AND A SMALL INCREASE ALSO FOR THE FOG, FATS, OILS AND GREASE PERMIT. AGAIN, JUST PART OF A COST RECOVERY FOR THESE TWO PERMITS.
AND AGAIN STAFF IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL. SEEING NONE. I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20 2536. SECOND.
GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MISS SMITH.
ORDINANCE 2025, DASH 37, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 20, UTILITIES CODE, CHAPTER 202 RECLAIMED WATER BY ADJUSTING THE RATES, FEES, AND CHARGES FOR RECLAIMED WATER, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT. HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM.
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MRS. MORTON. THANK YOU AGAIN. LAST ONE. SAME THING.MINOR ADJUSTMENTS FOR COST OF PRODUCTION AND COST RECOVERY RELATED TO RECLAIMED WATER.
THE SCOPE AND SCALE IS THERE ON THE FIRST PAGE.
AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE DEEPER QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE A PRESENTATION, STAFF IS HERE TO DO THAT. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. OH, WAIT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? I GOT THE AUDIENCE. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. OKAY.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. STEP FORWARD.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST ON THE RECLAIMED WATER.
WHAT? THERE'S WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE WATER THAT WE'RE RETREATING? HOW MUCH OF THAT JUST ROUGHLY GOES OUT TO RECLAIM THIS REUSED? AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF IT JUST GETS PUMPED DOWN THE DEEP WELL INJECTION NEVER TO BE UTILIZED AGAIN? BUT WE'RE ASKING FEES FOR IT. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS RECLAIMED WATER CAPABILITY? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS EVEN BENEFITING FROM WHAT IT COSTS US TO TREAT THE WATER, TO HAVE IT TO A GRADE THAT WAS USABLE TO RECLAIMED WATER.
SO WE'RE TREATING IT ONLY TO PUMP IT DOWN DEEP WELL.
SO IF ANYBODY COULD TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS AND WHAT POTENTIAL POTENTIAL SAVINGS WE COULD MAKE IN THAT, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ME AND SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD PERSONNEL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MORTON. MR. BOWDEN.
SO BRING MR. BOWDEN UP. AND I KNOW WE'RE SEEING STATE TO MR. BARTON'S QUESTION. WE'RE SEEING STATE DIRECTIVES TO INCREASE OUR DEEP WELL INJECTION IN THE FUTURE. BUT WE WE DON'T WANT TO EXPLAIN THE AVAILABILITY OF OUR PURPLE PIPE.
AND, YEAH, PRESENTLY, WE HAVE ABOUT 1 MILLION GALLONS A DAY THAT WE USE FOR REUSE.
IT IS VERY LIMITED TO A COUPLE OF SMALL COMMUNITIES AND TO L3 HARRIS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
WELL. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING? NONE.
I NEED A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO PASS ORDINANCE 20 2537.
GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JAFFEE OR DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, MISS SMITH.
ORDINANCE 20 2538 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, ADOPTING THE FINAL BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU, MR. MORTON. I DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF THAT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT.
DOES SOMEONE HAVE IT? DO WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE TURN TO THE MIC, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. LOOKING. LOOKING TO THE LEFT. IS THAT A COPY OF THE FINAL, OR DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THE NEW TENTATIVE, ADOPTED MILLAGE RATE? I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BEFORE WE.
HAVE TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THAT ORDINANCE AND BLESS YOU.
COUNCIL ANGELICA COLLINS, ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR.
SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING OF THE ACTUALLY THE ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE BUDGET.
SO YOU WILL ADOPT BOTH THINGS IN SEPARATE MOTIONS.
AND THEN AT THE NEXT HEARING THAT WE HAVE, YOU'LL GET THE RESOLUTION FIRST TO ADOPT THE RATE, AND THEN YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.
OKAY. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING? NONE. I NEED A MOTION.
SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I. WELL, I GOT COUNCILMAN.
JAFFEE. DID YOU JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING AFTER.
OH, OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. FIVE. FIVE. ZERO.
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BEFORE YOU INTERCEDE ON THAT. YEAH. YEAH, CUZ IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY TOO, ISN'T IT? TOMORROW. TOMORROW IS YOUR BIRTHDAY, JEFF. YOU'LL BE 39 YEARS OLD.YEAH, MAYBE. BUT CARRY ON, SIR. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR.
NO, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE A COLLEAGUE TONIGHT.
JUST WANTED TO WISH HIM WISH HIM A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. YEAH.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY. YOU DID IT. HEY. IT'S ALRIGHT.
STAFF PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT TO CLAP FOR ME RIGHT NOW, SO I'M SORRY I HAD TO GIVE HIM A REASON.
I HAD TO GIVE HIM A REASON. NO. NO. ALL JOKES ASIDE, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
THANK YOU. MOREOVER, FOR SHARING YOUR YOUR TESTIMONY, YOUR WIFE'S TESTIMONY.
I THINK THAT THAT REALLY TOUCHED A LOT OF HEARTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.