ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IF IF EVERYBODY IS READY,
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
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IT IS NOW 6:00, OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          I AM TERESA JONES, CITY CLERK. AND I WILL BE KIND OF GUIDING THE COMMISSION THROUGH THIS
PROCESS IN ADDITION TO MADAM ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE,
AND EVERYBODY PLEASE STAND. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR
WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          I'M SO USED TO HEARING SOMETHING AFTER THAT. OKAY,
I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THE ROLL CALL. 
          MR. DELGADO, PRESENT. MR. MYERS. MR. MILLER. MR.. 
          GRAHAM. MR.. NORRIS. MR. O'NEILL. MISS. SEP. MISS. 
          CRAWFORD. MR. CHANDLER AND MR. WEINBERG PRESENT. 
          OKAY. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS A PRESENTATION BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY,
PATRICIA SMITH. 
          SHE'S GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. 
          THIS ONE. JUST JUMP IN AND GET US STARTED. I KNOW SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF
GOING 
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THROUGH THIS TRAINING WITH ME MULTIPLE TIMES,
AND I KNOW IT WAS WHAT YOU WERE EAGERLY LOOKING FOR, BUT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS AS EFFICIENTLY AS I CAN. 
          YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT, BUT I CAN'T OVEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS I AM GOING TO DO IS DRAW ON SOME OF THE LESSONS WE CAN LEARN FROM THE
COUNCIL, MEMBERS AND SEBASTIAN. AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE SUNSHINE LINE PART GOES. 
          OKAY, AND THE OTHER THING, YOU ALL HAVE THESE POWERPOINTS I AM GOING TO TRY TO MOVE
THROUGH WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING TO YOU ALL. 
          SO WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS JUST START REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN SEBASTIAN,
BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE A CAUTIONARY TALE. 
          SO MOST OF YOU MAY REMEMBER IN SEBASTIAN, ROUGHLY 2020,
DURING THE COVID TIME, THERE WAS A MEETING SCHEDULED AND PROPERLY NOTICED. 
          IT APPEARED THAT THE ITEMS SET FOR THAT MEETING WERE GOING TO BE PARTICULARLY CONTENTIOUS, AND IT WAS A TIME WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          SO THE CITY MANAGER DECIDED, WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL THIS MEETING. SO IT WENT OUT,
CANCELED THE MEETINGS, CANCELED. 
          THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS DECIDED THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE MEETING ANYWAY,
SO THERE'S NO NO NEW NOTICE THAT WAS PROVIDED. 
          SO THEY'VE GOT A PASS KEY. CAN GET INTO COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          SO THREE WE GOT TWO MORE MEETINGS AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
TAKE. 
          SO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTERS THAT THEY TOLD THAT
WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          SO FOR THEM THEY LET IN. THEY'RE IN THERE. THE THREE OF THEM,
THE FOUR SUPPORTERS, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS LOCKED, THE LIGHTS ARE OFF. THERE ARE A COUPLE PEOPLE COME BY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE
MEETINGS ARE CANCELED. 
          THEY KNOCK ON THE DOOR. THEY'RE NOT LET IN. DURING THIS MEETING. 
          THEY TAKE ACTION. ACTION IN TERMINATING THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE CITY MANAGER,
CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERK AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. 
          THE POOR PEOPLE. THEY DON'T GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND NO MEETINGS ARE TAKEN,
NO MINUTES ARE TAKEN. 
          SO IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THERE'S NO REASONABLE NOTICE,
NO MINUTES. 
          THE LOCATION ISN'T ACCESSIBLE AND THEY END UP,
YOU KNOW, DEBATING ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY DEFINED AS ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO ATTEND SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO
ATTEND. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOTICE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY NOTICE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DETAILED AGENDA. BUT IF YOU'RE SUDDENLY GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON
THE AGENDA, LET'S JUST SAY AS FAR AS YOU ALL, YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT ADDING SOMETHING RELATED TO THE
3% CAP. 
          IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. IF YOU WANTED TO DO. OH,
LET'S MOVE AHEAD AND JUST ADD SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT CONTENTIOUS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SKIP AHEAD OR GO BACK AND DEAL WITH
THE 3% CAP, THAT SHOULDN'T PROBABLY BE AN AGENDA REVISION THAT YOU DO ON THE FLY. 
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT. THEY MAY NOT COME TO ANY
OTHER MEETING. THEY MAY NOT TUNE IN TO ANY OTHER MEETING. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS CONTENTIOUS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU ADD TO THE AGENDA WITHOUT GIVING PEOPLE
NOTICE. 
          IT'S FLEXIBLE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO ADD THINGS THAT MAY COME UP,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DON'T HIDE THE BALL. 
          THE MINUTES. IT'S A LOT OF TIME. EASIEST AT THE BEGINNING. 
          YOU HAVE THIS MOTION, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          SOMEBODY SAYS I, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A SECOND AND YOU ALL VOTE FOR IT. 
          SLOW DOWN. I SAY THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE THE OFFICIAL RECORD OF WHAT YOU DO. 
          SO REVIEW THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE RIGHT. OUR CLERK DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DOING,
YOU KNOW, GETTING THEM RIGHT. AND THERE MAY NOT BE ANYTHING THERE. 
          BUT WE ALL HAVE A PART, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WE AS IN AND THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE VOTING
TO APPROVE THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CORRECT. 
          SO TAKE A SECOND. TAKE A MINUTE, REVIEW THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CORRECT. 
          WHEN YOU'RE VOTING TO APPROVE THAT, THE OFFICIAL RECORD IS AT ACCURATE. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE A COUNCIL HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING OR A BOARD
MEETING. 
          IT CAN'T BE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ANY PLACE THAT DISCRIMINATES BECAUSE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND IT'S AS MUCH AS SOMEBODY MAY HAVE RENOVATED THEIR HOUSE AND IT MAY BE FABULOUS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ALL GO TO BILL BARTON'S HOUSE. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE IT IN A PRIVATE HOME. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU,
I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE LAW IS. AND PARTICULARLY IF I TELL YOU, HEY,
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S LEGAL, BUT I'D RATHER YOU NOT DO. 
          YOU CAN DO ONE WAY COMMUNICATIONS. IF PASTOR DELGADO DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO SEND
SOMETHING OUT ABOUT A CERTAIN SUBJECT, THAT WOULD BE FINE, SO LONG AS PEOPLE DIDN'T RESPOND,
IT WOULD BE LEGAL. 
          I'M GOING TO TELL YOU DON'T DO THAT. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS PASTOR DELGADO SENDS
SOMETHING OUT. 
          AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MR. CHANDLER HAS AN OPINION,
AND EITHER HE HAS TO SUPPRESS IT OR HE HAS A TEMPTATION TO RESPOND. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF MR. CHANDLER RESPONDS TO WHAT MR. DELGADO DID? AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLY FORESEEABLE TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL,
BEFORE THIS BOARD. 
          YOU HAVE A SUNSHINE VIOLATION ONE WAY COMMUNICATION PERMISSIBLE. 
          I ADVISE DON'T DO IT. IF YOU ALL HAVE POSITION PAPERS,
YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE FOR THE GOOD OF THE BOARD. 
          BUT WE DO ASK. SEND IT TO THE CLERK. DON'T SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY. 
          LET US BE ABLE TO. WE CAN INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA MATERIAL. 
          BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE IT. BUT WE DO ASK IS THAT YOU AVOID SENDING OUT THINGS TO ALL,
TO ALL, OR REPLYING TO ALL. YES. MR.. I WAS GOING TO WAIT TILL YOU WERE DONE AND MAKE THIS
DISCLAIMER. 
          MR.. I WRITE AND I WRITE ABOUT OH, EXCUSE ME. 
          THOMAS. I WRITE AND I WRITE ABOUT THE CITY. I WRITE ABOUT THE CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO SO. I WOULD ADVISE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS,
DO NOT REPLY TO ANYTHING I POST. 
          IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO REPLY TO,
BRING IT TO THE MEETING. 
          DO NOT BRING IT TO ME. DO NOT REPLY TO MY POST ONLINE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY,
I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I DO. 
          PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS NOT EXACTLY PART OF THE SUNSHINE LAW,
BUT THERE IS A STATUTE THAT PROVIDES FOR THE RIGHT OF THE THE THE PUBLIC. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, YOU NEED TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HEARD. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE HEARD SOMETIME BEFORE YOU ALL VOTE ON ANYTHING THERE DURING THE DECISION
MAKING PROCESS. 
          IF NOT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A VIOLATION. ATTORNEY'S FEES CAN BE ASSESSED AGAINST THE
CITY. 
          ANY ACTION THAT YOU TAKE IN VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE LAW IS VOID. 
          IT'S LIKE YOU NEVER DID IT. AND THERE ARE CRIMINAL PENALTIES IN THE CASE OF THE SPECIAL
COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THEY NOT ONLY HAD THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR THE SUNSHINE LAW VIOLATION DURING THE
INVESTIGATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW VIOLATION, THEY MADE MATERIAL MISSTATEMENTS. WHAT WE, YOU KNOW,
CASUALLY CALL LIES, WHICH WERE THE BASIS OF A PERJURY PERJURY CHARGES. PAMELA PARRISH WAS SENTENCED TO 60 DAYS. 
          DAMIEN GILLIAMS WAS SENTENCED TO 180 DAYS. SO THERE ARE PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING THE
SUNSHINE LAW AS WELL AS FINES. 
          YOU CAN GET UP TO $500 FINE AND ATTORNEY'S FEES CAN BE ASSESSED AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S IT FOR THE SUNSHINE LAW? YES. KENDALL IN 
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THIS IN THAT THIS IS A UNOFFICIAL CITY EVENT. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER COSTS THAT ARE COVERED BY THE CITY IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO
HAPPEN? ARE WE INSURED IN ANY FORM OR FASHION OR WE'RE ALL ON OUR OWN. 
          WELL, IT DEPENDS. IF YOU DECIDED TO ASK, YOU CALL THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND YOU
TALKED TO ONE ME OR ONE OF MY ATTORNEYS, AND WE ADVISED YOU THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO,
THAT YOU CAN DO. 
          EVEN IF WE WERE WRONG, THAT IS ACTUALLY A DEFENSE. 
          AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN HAVE A DEFENSE IF YOU'RE ACTING WITHIN,
YOU KNOW, THE COURSE. 
          BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO GO OFF ON YOUR OWN, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE LEFT OUT ON YOUR OWN. 
          BUT I WILL DO. I MEANT TO IT'S RATHER SIMPLE. 
          IN THE CASE WHERE THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO APPEAL,
WHICH THE COURT DENIED, THEY GAVE VERY SIMPLE ADVICE FOR ANYBODY CONFRONTING A SUNSHINE LAW ISSUE, THE COURT SAID, WHEN IN ANY DOUBT AS TO WHETHER A MEETING OR
COMMUNICATION, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BETWEEN TWO OR MORE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS,
MAY BE ILLEGAL UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW, THE EASY ANSWER IS LEAVE. I'M GIVING YOU THAT SAME ADVICE. 
          BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU NEED MORE DETAIL ON FACT SPECIFIC INFORMATION,
FEEL FREE TO CONTACT MY OFFICE. 
          ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING IN THE SENSE OF WITH THIS BOARD AND YOU NEED INFORMATION,
YOU YOU WANT TO KNOW, HEY, I PLAN ON PROPOSING THIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS MAY NOT RUN AFOUL OF ANY
OTHER LAWS. 
          I WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY GIVE ME SOME GUIDANCE. 
          YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME TO COME HERE AND ASK ME WHETHER THAT IS
LEGAL. 
          FEEL FREE TO CONTACT MY OFFICE. I WILL DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. 
          WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW. PROVIDE. CERTAINLY,
YOU ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BRING FORTH THINGS. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHETHER YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL IMPLICATIONS. 
          I AM HERE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ME,
MOST LIKELY YOU WILL. 
          YOU'LL HAVE SOMEBODY WITHIN MY OFFICE THAT WILL PROVIDE AN ASSISTANCE TO YOU IN THAT
MATTER. 
          YES. RUTH COFFEY. IF WE'RE SENDING COMMUNICATIONS EMAIL,
DO WE NEED TO COPY THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS? AND THEN YOU WILL ANSWER US ALL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          OR CAN IT BE ONE ON ONE? NO. YOU CAN CONTACT ME ONE ON ONE OKAY. 
          CERTAINLY. IF THERE'S AND IF YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING AND WHERE WE THINK YOU
KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEST FOR ALL OF THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION,
WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND IT OUT. 
          OR IF THERE'S A MEMORANDUM, WE CAN ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. 
          BUT WE WOULD ASK ON THOSE OCCASIONS. SEND IT TO US. 
          AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISTRIBUTED,
LET US DO IT. 
          OKAY. SO JUST LET YOU DO IT. OKAY. REPLY TO ALL. 
          NO. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. 
          AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT PROVIDES A RIGHT OF ACCESS TO THE RECORDS OF THE STATE AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AS WELL AS OF PUBLIC PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT ARE WORKING ON THEIR BEHALF. 
          IT IS VERY BROAD AND IT'S MEANT TO BE BROAD. SO YOU HAVE ALL DOCUMENTS AND IT DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT FORM THEY'RE IN, IF THEY'RE MADE, RECEIVED PURSUANT TO LAW OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE BOARD'S
OFFICIAL BUSINESS, THEN IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD. ONE OF THE THINGS IS KIND OF LIKE,
WHY PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE OR FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE? SO WE COME UP WITH PCEF. IT MAKES IT EASIER TO REMEMBER. 
          IS IT MADE TO PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE OR FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE IF THOSE APPLY. 
          AND IT'S RELATED TO YOUR BUSINESS. IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD. 
          DOESN'T MATTER. THE FORM DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU WHERE YOU PUT IT AT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS OF COURSE PUBLIC RECORDS. WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP THOSE FOR A SPECIFIC
PERIOD OF TIME. 
          THERE ARE STATE RETENTION RECORDS. THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE MAINTAINS,
YOU KNOW, SCHEDULE FOR THOSE. 
          IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE AS FAR AS HOW LONG WE SHOULD RETAIN THOSE,
ADVISE YOU TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY CLERK. 
          FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE LAW FOR A WHILE,
PEOPLE GET THAT DOCUMENTS ARE PUBLIC RECORDS AND ARE GOTTEN PRETTY GOOD AT DEALING WITH 
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DOCUMENTS. HERE'S THOSE EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES. 
          YOU KNOW, DESPITE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ATTORNEY KEEPS TELLING YOU THAT IT'S ANY FORM THAT TENDS
TO GET PEOPLE IN TROUBLE. 
          BUT THE SAME RULES APPLY TO ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION. 
          IF IT'S IN CONNECTION WITH OFFICIAL BUSINESS,
IT'S MADE OR RECEIVED, IS USED TO PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE, OR FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE THAN IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE A PUBLIC RECORD AS IF THERE IS SOME EXEMPTION. 
          FOR WHATEVER REASON, LET'S SAY IT WAS THE ADDRESS OF A POLICE OFFICER. 
          OKAY. THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT. BUT IF THERE'S NOT AN EXEMPTION AND THE IF THIS GOT
OUT, IT WOULD EMBARRASS ME. IT'S NOT AN EXEMPTION. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE ACTUALLY WITHIN ONE OF THE STATUTORY IN THE STATUTE. 
          AND I TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE WRITE THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO WHATEVER
THEIR OFFICIAL BUSINESS IS AND DON'T WANT IT TO GET OUT. IT'S LIKE, THIS IS GOING TO BE EMBARRASSING. I CAN'T HELP YOU BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO
BE EMBARRASSING. 
          IT'S NOT AN EXEMPTION. SO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN WRITING. 
          PERSONAL NOTES. THERE IS NO PER SE. WELL, THIS IS A PERSONAL NOTE EXCEPTION. 
          SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT IT. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC RECORD. 
          IF IT'S NOT BEEN YOU KNOW, TRANSCRIBED. YOU'RE NOT SHOWING IT TO ANY OTHER PERSON. 
          IT'S NOT MEANT TO PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE, OR FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE. 
          LIKE, THESE ARE MY NOTES. YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY ARE BEING USED TO PERPETUATE,
FORMALIZED AND COMMUNICATE KNOWLEDGE. 
          THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS. SO IF YOU DECIDE THAT THERE ARE,
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHARE WITH THE YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT THE NEXT MEETING,
AND YOU MAKE NOTES SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL OF THOSE POINTS OUT. 
          THOSE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS. SO ANYBODY THAT DECIDES THEY WANT TO SEE THEM,
THEY MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST CAN. 
          WELL, LET'S SAY YOU WERE IN THE MIDST OF YOUR. 
          YEAH. YOU HAD THESE THINGS THAT YOU WERE WRITING. 
          IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR BOARDS BUSINESS. 
          YOU COULD DO THIS MEMO. YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS PIECE. 
          BUT YOU DIDN'T QUITE FINISH IT. SOMEBODY ASKED,
BECAUSE SOMEHOW YOU LET IT OUT THAT YOU WERE WORKING ON THIS, AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DRAFTED. 
          YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, HAVEN'T COMPLETELY EDITED IT. 
          IT'S NOT FINISHED. SO, YOU KNOW, MADAM CLERK,
CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU TELL THEM JUST TO HOLD OFF? I'LL I'LL SEND IT TO THEM WHEN I'M FINISHED IF THEY WANT THE FINISHED COPY,
FINE. 
          BUT THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS EXCEPTION TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE CREATED A PUBLIC
WORKER. 
          WHETHER YOU'VE FINISHED AND GOT IT EDITED PRETTY AND YOU KNOW ARE READY FOR PUBLIC VIEW,
IT'S STILL A PUBLIC WORKER AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PRODUCE IT. 
          SO PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE, FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE. 
          WHEN WE GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT AND WRITING WITHIN 24
HOURS. 
          WE DON'T GET TO ASK THE PERSON WHAT THE PERSON'S NAME IS. 
          WHY DO YOU WANT THIS? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? BECAUSE NONE OF THAT MATTERS. WE GET IT AND WE'RE TOLD THAT THEY WANT CERTAIN RECORDS. 
          WE OFTEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO MAY HAVE THAT WORKERS AMONGST THE COMMISSION. 
          AND IF WE'RE SENDING THINGS OUT TO YOU, WE'VE GOT THIS PUBLIC RECORDS FOR X,
Y, AND Z. 
          WE NEED YOU ALL TO LOOK. HEY, DO I HAVE ANYTHING RESPONSIVE AND PROVIDE THAT? IF YOU'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S RESPONSIVE. YOU KNOW IT MAY BE INCLUDED. 
          FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AND CONTACT US AND LET US KNOW. 
          WE ARE ABLE TO CHARGE A REASONABLE FEE FOR THOSE,
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS INTENSIVE FOR REDACTION IS NOT LIKELY TO BE THE CASE FOR MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. 
          AS I KIND OF ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WHEN WE'RE SAYING THAT SOMETHING IS EXEMPT,
YOU KNOW, THE PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO ASK US, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BASIS OF THAT EXEMPTION? AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
CITE SOMETHING WITHIN THE FLORIDA STATUTES. 
          WE DON'T GET TO MAKE UP EXEMPTIONS. IF IT'S IF THE EXEMPTION IS NOT IN THE STATUTE,
THEN IT MUST BE PRODUCED. 
          OF COURSE, FEDERAL LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER STATE LAW. 
          IF THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW THAT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM PROVIDING THAT,
THAT WOULD PREVAIL. 
          THAT TOO IS NOT LIKELY TO BE THE CASE HERE. BUT THAT IS THE ONLY OTHER CAVEAT TO THAT. 
          IF THERE'S NOT A STATUTORY PROVISION THAT MAKES SOMETHING CONFIDENTIAL. 
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CONSEQUENCES OF NONCOMPLIANCE. THERE'S CRIMINAL PENALTIES. 
          THERE'S REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. YOU'VE GOT FINES. 
          ATTORNEY'S FEES CERTAINLY CAN GO TO COURT. AND THESE THINGS ARE MOVED QUICKLY. 
          YOU CAN GET CORRECTIVE ACTION AND THERE ARE DAMAGES. 
          AND WHEN I SAY THESE THINGS MOVED QUICKLY, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I HAVE A CASE,
WE DO THE CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER WOODARD TRIAL IS SET FOR 18 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD AND DEPENDING UPON HOW BACKED UP, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO IN 18 MONTHS. 
          WELL, THESE DON'T GO THAT WAY. THEY'RE PUBLIC RECORDS. 
          LAWSUITS ARE GOING TO GO TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE. 
          THEY TAKE PRIORITY BECAUSE IT'S THAT IMPORTANT. 
          SO CERTAINLY IF THERE'S A FINDING AGAINST US THAT,
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED SOMETHING AND WE DIDN'T, WE GOT 48 HOURS TO FIX THAT. AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ENTITLEMENT TO FEES AND COSTS,
PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVE PUT US ON NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED THOSE, GAVE US A TIME FRAME TO REMEDY THE VIOLATION,
AND ARE THEN FORCED TO FILE A LAWSUIT. 
          THEY WOULD THEN BE ENTITLED TO THEIR ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING,
SOMEONE'S REQUESTING IT, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE IT. 
          MAKE SURE THAT YOU PROVIDE IT AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO YOU FULFILL OUR REQUIREMENTS UNDER
LAW? THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES. WITH ANY CRIME, THERE IS THE MENS REA REQUIREMENT. 
          ESSENTIALLY THE GUILTY MIND. IT HAS TO BE A KNOWING VIOLATION. 
          HOW DO YOU AVOID HAVING A KNOWING VIOLATION? WELL,
I WASN'T SURE IF I WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THIS, SO I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEYS. 
          THEY TOLD ME THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WERE WRONG,
BUT I REASONABLY RELIED UPON WHAT THEY SAID. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE GUILTY MIND. YOU DON'T. YOU'RE NOT GUILTY OF A CRIME. 
          BUT IF YOU DECIDED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT INTO CHAT,
GPT IN CHATGPT LEADS YOU ASTRAY. 
          YOU MAY VERY WELL STILL HAVE THAT KNOWING VIOLATION,
DEPENDING UPON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT WAS TRULY REASONABLE AND THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW VIOLATION,
IF YOU LOOK AT THEM, ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT. 
          THIS SUNSHINE LAW WAS A SECOND DEGREE MISDEMEANOR. 
          WHEREAS THE PUBLIC RECORDS IS A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR,
FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR IS UP TO A YEAR IN JAIL OR A $1,000 FINE, OR BOTH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ACTUALLY I DO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO SO I HAVE PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL CONNECTIONS WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD. 
          OKAY. AS LONG AS WE NEVER DISCUSS IN OUR TIME OUTSIDE OF HERE THE CHARTER. 
          ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION? AM I CLEAN OR AM I EXPOSING MYSELF TO RISK HERE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU'RE FINE. AND DON'T. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S INVOLVING THE
IN THE CHARTER OR IS LIKELY TO BECOME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. 
          IF YOU ALL DECIDED THAT AFTER THE END OF THIS MEETING,
THE PASTORS WERE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AND WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF PALM BAY NEED SOME PRAYING. 
          YOU ALL GOT TOGETHER AND DECIDED TO PRAY OR WHATEVER. 
          YOU HAVEN'T VIOLATED THE SUNSHINE LAW WE HAVE. 
          BUT DON'T START TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE CHARTER. 
          OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING IS WHERE TWO OF YOU CAN'T TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES,
IT DOESN'T STOP YOU FROM TALKING TO COUNCIL. 
          COUNCIL IS ANOTHER BOARD. SO YOU YOU CAN TALK TO THE PERSON THAT APPOINTED YOU. 
          YOU CAN TALK TO SOMEBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL. OF COURSE,
I DON'T WANT TWO OR MORE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TALKING TO YOU, BUT YOU ALL TALKING TO SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL DOES NOT VIOLATE SUNSHINE. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          [PUBLIC COMMENTS]
WE DO HAVE A FEW GUESTS HERE. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK? GET YOUR THREE MINUTES. COME ON, MR. BATTEN,
SIT NEXT TO MR. CHANDLER OVER THERE. AND JUST MAKE SURE YOU PRESS THE BUTTON TO WHERE IT TURNS GREEN. 
          BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE TYING UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME. 
          AND I KNOW WHAT, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH MY THIRD OR FOURTH TIME THAT I'VE GONE
THROUGH WITH THIS WATCHING IT, AND I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD ON STAFF. SO I'M THANKING YOU GUYS UP FRONT NOW BECAUSE I KNOW
WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          AND THEN FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU ALL. 
          BE CONSERVATIVE IN YOUR APPROACH. THAT'S ALL I'M REQUESTING. 
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BATTEN. ANYBODY ELSE? 
          [NEW BUSINESS]
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS WITH THE SELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND
VICE CHAIR. 
          ANYBODY CAN MAKE A ANYBODY ON THE BOARD CAN MAKE A MOTION. 
          MADAM CITY CLERK, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE MR. PHIL BATTEN TO THE POSITION OF CHAIR. I MEAN,
PHIL BATTEN, SEE PHIL WEINBERG. 
          I'M SORRY. YOU'RE IN MY HEAD. CHAIR, DO I HAVE A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. DO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT KEN DELGADO BE THE CHAIR. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MISS SEP IS SECOND. 
          OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. 
          OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION FOR A VICE CHAIR. 
          EGO. TYLER O'NEILL. QUESTION. 
          AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. 
          I NEED ANOTHER MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? SORRY. I'M TRYING TO WRITE VERY FAST. OKAY. AND ALL IN FAVOR,
SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          OKAY. MR. DELGADO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE OVER,
OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CONTINUE TO RUN THE MEETING? I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE OVER. AND. AND THEN YOU CORRECT ME WHEREVER I GO WRONG. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. A TIMETABLE, AND I GUESS WE'RE ON NUMBER THREE TIME DISCUSSION OF TIMETABLE. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          CONSIDERATION OF RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          DO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL ALREADY THERE? IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT. I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY HAS REVIEWED. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ITEM IN THE RULES. 
          AND JUST IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          KEN. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK. 
          OH, THOMAS GUM. THOMAS GUM. YEAH, I HAD A FEW NOTES HERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT EXPLICITLY,
EXPLICITLY REQUIRES IN-PERSON ATTENDANCE TO ALL BY ALL COMMISSIONER MEMBERS. 
          AND THERE'S NO PHONING IT IN OR ELECTRONIC MEANS OF ATTENDING THE MEETING. 
          SO NO ATTENDEES BY PHONE, IS WHAT YOU'RE. EXCUSE ME? NO ATTENDEES BY PHONE? CORRECT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY SET UP A DEDICATED EMAIL
ADDRESS SO RESIDENTS COULD EMAIL HCRC AT PALM BAY FLORIDA.GOV AND IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE BOARD FROM
THE RESIDENTS. 
          ARE THESE SEPARATE MOTIONS? YEAH. PERHAPS WE NEED TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTIONS ON THIS FOR
DISCUSSION. 
          AT THIS POINT. I'M NOT I'M NOT MADE A MOTION. 
          I THINK PATRICIA HAS SOMETHING. YES. AS FAR AS THE NO APPEARANCE BY THE COMMISSIONERS BY
ELECTRONIC MEANS. COULD WE HAVE THAT? UNLESS, OF COURSE,
CERTAINLY, IF A COMMISSIONER HAD THE FLU OR HAD COVID OR SOMEHOW NEEDED SOME TYPE OF ADA ACCOMMODATION BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE TO BE HERE
AS OPPOSED TO THEY JUST DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE OR, YOU KNOW, IT WAS INCONVENIENT TO BE HERE BECAUSE I'M ON VACATION. 
          CERTAINLY WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          I AGREE. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE SECOND PART. THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT WAS JUST ASKING
THE CITY TO CREATE A DISTRIBUTION EMAIL ADDRESS, TO EMAIL ALL THE BOARDS SO THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE A STRAIGHT EMAIL
TO THE COMMISSIONERS INSTEAD OF FILTERED THROUGH THE CITY. 
          THAT'S FINE. WE CAN ADD IT TO THE WEBSITE. I'M ASSUMING WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST A REQUEST. WELL, AS FAR AS ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULES YES,
WE WOULD NEED A MOTION. 
          SO IF, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS. 
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SO MAKE A MOTION ON THE ON THE FIRST ITEM THAT ALL BOARD MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO ATTEND
MEETINGS IN PERSON UNLESS MEDICALLY NECESSITATED, THAT THEY ATTEND BY OTHER MEANS. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME,
PLEASE? ALL BOARD MEMBERS ARE. ALL COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO ATTEND MEETINGS IN PERSON UNLESS
MEDICALLY NECESSARY TO ATTEND BY OTHER MEANS. 
          SECONDED BY ME. PHIL. ALL IN FAVOR? OR DISCUSSION? AYE. YEAH. DO WE NEED DISCUSSION FIRST? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          AND THE ONLY REASON WHY IS IS YOU KNOW, I HAVE A JOB THAT TAKES ME OUT OF THE AREA THAT I
DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN TO GO. 
          I'M FULLY AVAILABLE BY ZOOM. I'M ONLY GOING ONE WEEK A MONTH,
SO IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. 
          GENERALLY, I CAN KIND OF COORDINATE IN ADVANCE,
BUT I COULD SEE A SITUATION WHERE I MAY HAVE TO ZOOM IN ONE DAY. 
          THE ONLY IF POSSIBLE. YES, I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR IT STAFF. 
          AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, ZOOM OR TEAMS WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO THAT,
BUT WE OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE PHONE. 
          SURE THAT WE DO. JUST THROUGH THE SPEAKER. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE A PROBLEM. IT DIDN'T
LOOK LIKE THERE'S A TON OF OF GATHERINGS AND OFFICIAL MEETINGS. 
          SO I CAN ESPECIALLY KNOWING THEM EARLY, I CAN WORK AROUND WITH MY MOTION TO SAY THAT IF
YOU HAVE THE CALL IN, YOU DON'T GET TO VOTE. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT OKAY? CAN I SAY SOMETHING? THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH PHONING IN IS TOO OFTEN. 
          I'M SORRY I MESSED UP. CAN WE GET YOU ON THE MICROPHONE,
PLEASE? THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH PHONING IN IS HISTORICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW IT'S WORKED IN COUNCIL MEETINGS ONE PERSON IS BARELY
ABLE TO RESPOND BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SICK, THERE'S NO EXCHANGE AT ALL. AND NOBODY REALLY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS WHAT
THAT PERSON IS VOTING ON OR OR THERE'S A BREAK IN THE COMMUNICATION WHEN SOMEONE IS SO SICK, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY VOTE. TO ME,
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR TO THE PEOPLE. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME EXTENDED SICKNESSES WHERE I SWEAR I HEARD THEM SNORING. 
          SO I, I AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE. 
          AND THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF THEM EVEN BEING ZOOMED IN? ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH. AND THIS IS JUST IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO WITH AI. 
          I HAVE A CONCERN WITH TELEPHONIC. IF I CAN'T SEE YOU,
THEN YOU DON'T EXIST AS FAR AS AN OFFICIAL MEETING, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE ON THE PHONE BECAUSE AI CAN DUPLICATE
YOUR VOICE, IT CAN DUPLICATE YOUR FACE, IT CAN DUPLICATE A LOT OF THINGS. 
          SO I HAVE A CONCERN IN THAT, THAT REALM. I AGREE WITH EILEEN TO NOT ALLOW VOTING,
BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU FIND BECAUSE SINCE THESE THE SCHEDULE IS PUBLISHED,
I THINK EVERYBODY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE THAT DAY. 
          TO SEND IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TO THE CLERK. 
          AND THE CLERK COULD GIVE YOUR STANCE ON SOMETHING OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO. 
          BUT AS FAR AS TELEPHONIC, I HAVE NOT AGREED WITH EVEN THE COUNCIL DOING THAT. 
          BECAUSE IF I CAN'T SEE YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU EXIST IN THE AI REALM AND CULTURE IN WHICH
WE FIND OURSELVES. 
          THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO PLEASE STATE ONE MORE TIME THE HOW YOU COMMISSIONERS WILL ATTEND MEETINGS IN PERSON UNLESS
MEDICALLY NECESSITATED TO ATTEND TELEPHONICALLY OR ELECTRONICALLY. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO DO. DID YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT IN LIEU OF RUTH
CAULFIELD'S STATEMENT IN ANY FORM OR FASHION? NO, NO. YOU WANT TO SAY IT AS IS? YES. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL AGAINST. NAY. NAY. OKAY, LET'S LET'S HAVE A A ACTUAL HAND COUNT. 
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DID YOU HAVE A SECOND? WE DID. THE SECOND WAS WAS. 
          PHIL, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE,
VOTE? VOTE, PLEASE. YES. HOW DO YOU SAY IT AGAIN? ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE. ROLL CALL. VOTE. THANK YOU. MR. DELGADO,
I WILL LEARN QUICK. 
          I'M SORRY. I WILL LEARN QUICK. MR. MYERS, MY NAME IS NATE. 
          OKAY. MR. MYERS, MR. MILLER. NAY, MR.. GORM. YAY! MR.. NORRIS. NAY. MR. O'NEILL. NAY, MISS. SEP. MISS. COFFEY. NAY. MR. CHANDLER. HI,
MR. WEINBERG. AYE. MOTION FAILS. AND SO, AT THIS POINT,
I WANT TO ASK RUTH IF SHE WANTS. 
          DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO YOUR VIEWPOINT? SURE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS BE HERE IN PERSON UNLESS MEDICALLY
NECESSARY. 
          AND NO TELEPHONIC COMMUNICATION AT ALL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. SECOND. BY THOMAS GARM. DISCUSSION. 
          COULD WE AMEND IT? COULD WE AMEND IT TO A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THEIR TWO POSITIONS WHERE YOU
HAVE TELEPHONING IN. 
          BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE. OR IF IT'S MEDICALLY NECESSARY FOR THEM TO MISS THE
MEETING, THEY COULD TELEPHONE IN, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING. WOULD THAT BE A COMPROMISE
THAT THOMAS ACCEPTS? ANY CITIZEN CAN ATTEND THE MEETING OR CALL IN OR WATCH IT ONLINE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, SO ANY COMMISSIONER NOT ABLE TO ATTEND ABSOLUTELY COULD
HAVE THE SAME PROCESS. 
          ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? BY THE SIGN OF I I I I I. ALL AGAINST BY THE SIGN OF NAY. 
          PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. 
          AM I NOT TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT? OF COURSE. OKAY. 
          JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT ON THE THE ORDER HERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADD ADD A A CALL TO PRAYER FIRST. 
          AN INVOCATION BEFORE WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. SECOND. OKAY. SECOND BY RUTH. 
          DISCUSSION. I WOULD AMEND THAT IT ONLY BE CHRISTIAN PRAYER THAT'S ALLOWED. 
          NO, I CAN'T DO THAT. NO, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DESIGNATE YET. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? I WOULD AMEND THAT. 
          I WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY PRAYER OTHER THAN CHRISTIAN PRAYER WHATSOEVER. SO I'D HAVE
TO TURN MY BACK, LEAVE THE ROOM, WHATEVER. BUT AT A POINT OF ORDER, CAN THE CHAIR MAKE A MOTION? ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY,
IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU NEED TO PASS A GAVEL. 
          YES, BASICALLY. OKAY, THAT THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          AND SO I'LL PASS THE GAVEL TO TOM. NOW YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN UP TO AFTER THE CALL TO ORDER TO OPEN UP WITH AN INVOCATION
PRAYER. 
          BEFORE WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? JUST GO AHEAD. JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO DOING THAT. BUT WOULD THAT BE PROPER TO CONSIDER THAT UNDER
PROCEDURE FOR PRESENTING CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSALS? I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE AGENDA. I'M SORRY. 
          SAY THE LAST PART AGAIN. SO WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          CONSIDER CONSIDERATION OF RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          YES. IS THAT SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE PACKET? IT IS ARTICLE FOUR. UNDER ORDER OF BUSINESS. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. TYLER O'NEILL. 
          I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PRAYER. IS THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S CONDUCTED BY A
SOLE INDIVIDUAL OR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PASSED FROM COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILMAN, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A DESIGNATED ROLE FOR SOMEONE FOR PRAYER? I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT TO THE ATTORNEY FOR A MINUTE. 
          IT CAN IT BE DONE JUST BY THE COMMISSIONERS,
OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? IT IS UP TO THE COMMISSION. MISSION SO IT CAN BE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS ONLY. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY MY SUGGESTION THAT THE INVOCATION WOULD BE DONE AMONG US,
RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN COME. 
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I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO DELIVER THE PRAYER OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMISSION
CITIZEN OR SOMEBODY ELSE CONTACT THE CITY CLERK AND BE PUT ON THE AGENDA. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT ONLY COMMISSIONERS BEING ABLE TO LEAD IT,
BUT NOT OUTSIDE THE COMMISSION. 
          DO THAT. YEAH. IS THAT TRUE? WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO OMIT IT. 
          AND THAT VERY MUCH COULD BE A BACKDOOR WAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE COMMENTS THAT WE
WANT CHRISTIAN. 
          IT COULD BE WRONGLY CONSTRUED THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE ONLY CHRISTIAN. 
          PRAYERS IS THAT WE THEN ONLY ALLOW THE COMMISSION THAT ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW YOUR
RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND, LET'S JUST SAY THIS COMMISSION HAPPENED TO BE ALL CHRISTIAN,
THAT WE JUST USE THE BACKGROUND WAY TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING THAT WAS OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL. 
          WELL, I WAS JUST ASKING A QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND,
I, I KNOW YOU'RE JUST ASKING, BUT WHEN SOME PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO SAY THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG,
THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE WHAT WE SAY IN THE LIGHT THAT FAVORS THEIR CAUSE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST, HEY, THIS IS I'M ASKING I'M ON HERE AND ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO BREAK ANY LAWS. CERTAINLY THE POINT OF YOU ALL HERE IS TO LOOK AT THE
CHARTER, WHICH IS OUR GREATEST LAW. SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU ARE HERE TO VIOLATE ANY LAWS. 
          BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN OUR LAWSUITS, AND THERE AREN'T LAWSUITS AGAINST THE CITY OF PALM BAY
WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WE THINK YOUR EYES ARE REALLY GREAT AND THAT YOU HAD THE BEST OF INTENTIONS THEY'RE
USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IMPUTING BAD MOTIVES TOWARDS US. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. DELGADO? AGAIN, SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHO ANYBODY'S. 
          I KNOW SOME PEOPLE'S RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY'S HERE. IS
IS IT INASMUCH AS WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE OF WHAT FAITH ARE YOU. CAN WE ESTABLISH THAT THAT THE THE PRAYER CAN BE DONE BY THOSE ATTENDING THIS THIS
THIS FORUM HERE IN PERSON? IN PERSON? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT CERTAINLY, IF YOU ARE ANYONE THAT WE'RE OPENING IT UP TO THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTENDING OR THAT IT COULD BE THE COMMISSIONERS CERTAINLY COULD VOLUNTEER. 
          AND WE PROVIDED A MECHANISM FOR OTHERS THE SAME WAY WE ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO OF ALL FAITHS
TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. 
          CERTAIN PEOPLE MAY ELECT, WHEREAS OTHERS MAY NOT. 
          WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHO DECIDES TO DO IT,
BUT WE DO MAKE THE AVAILABILITY TO ANYONE UNDERSTAND. 
          ALL DUE RESPECT, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOUR PREFERENCE. WE'RE ASKING WHAT'S LEGAL. SO IS IT MY
PREFERENCE? IS THAT WHICH IS THE MOST LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE? I'M ASKING FOR YOUR PREFERENCE. I'M ASKING WHAT'S LEGAL. IT IS ILLEGAL TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE. 
          WHEN I TELL YOU WHAT MY PREFERENCE IS, IT IS WHAT IS LIKELY TO BE DEFENDABLE AND WHAT IS
LIKELY TO KEEP US OUT OF LEGAL TROUBLE. 
          BECAUSE THINGS ARE FACT SPECIFIC. THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE CERTAIN FACTS THAT ARE GOING
TO BE VIEWED IN A LIGHT, THAT ARE GOING TO BRING US UNDER LEGAL SCRUTINY AND MAY ACTUALLY INVOLVE US NOT
PREVAILING. 
          SO I'M GOING TO ADVISE YOU ON THE PATH THAT I THINK IS MOST LIKELY TO BE DEFENDABLE AND TO
KEEP THE CITY BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IN LINE WITH THE CONSTITUTION,
THE LAWS AND THE PREVALENT CASE LAW. 
          SO WHEN I GIVE YOU MY PREFERENCE, IT'S NOT MY IT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE. HEY, LEGALLY YOU CAN SEND OUT ONE WAY COMMUNICATION. 
          THIS IS MY PREFERENCE BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU WHY. 
          WHEN I TELL YOU MY PREFERENCE, THIS IS I AM A LITIGATOR. 
          I AM BOARD CERTIFIED STATE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE PRACTICE. 
          AND IF WE ALL GET IN TROUBLE, I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR DEFENDING THIS
ACTION AND GIVE ME THE BEST TOOLS TO DEFEND THIS COMMISSION, TO DEFEND THE CITY SO THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE VIOLATED
SOMETHING WHEN WE COULD HAVE DONE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          MADAM SMITH, MAY I FOLLOW UP AND ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS,
PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY, SIR. IS THERE A CERTAIN SUBSET OF PREDATORY PEOPLE WHO GO AROUND TO DIFFERENT
CITIES LOOKING FOR ADA VIOLATIONS AND OTHER SUCH VIOLATIONS IN ORDER TO SUE THE CITIES? YES. THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF FEDERAL, CLAIMS,
WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A NICHE LAW FIRM THAT ESSENTIALLY FINDS PEOPLE AND THEY FILE CLAIMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. I MEAN,
A LOT OF WHAT WE DID AS FAR AS OUR OWN WEBSITE IS BECAUSE, 
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YOU KNOW, UNDER THREAT OF LITIGATION. SO THERE WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL IN HOW WE
APPROACH THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE SETTING THE CITY UP TO LITIGATION IF WE MAKE A WRONG TURN. 
          YES, SIR. QUESTION. YEAH. KEN. YEAH. IF IF I MAY FOLLOW UP QUESTION,
MADAM SMITH. 
          OR MAYBE TO THERESA. THERESA THE INVOCATIONS THAT ARE DONE AT THE CITY HALL. 
          HOW HOW DO, HOW DO PEOPLE JUST CALL IN TO DO IT? DO YOU DO YOU SOMETIMES CALL OUT TO SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CAN WE DO IT THAT WAY? WE? YES. MY OFFICE. IT GOES BOTH WAYS, SO SOMETIMES WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY FROM A CHURCH
THAT WILL CALL AND ASK IF THEY CAN DO IT. 
          THAT'S RARE, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN MOST OF THE TIME. 
          WE CALL AROUND THE CITY. OKAY. I WOULD JUST OFFER AN AMENDMENT THAT WHATEVER THE NORMAL
PROCESS IS THAT THEY USE FOR CITY COUNCIL, THAT THAT BE THE SAME SELECTION PROCESS THAT'S USED FOR OUR COMMISSION. 
          YEAH. I WAS GOING TO AMEND AMEND THE YOU HAD A SECOND,
RIGHT? YEAH, I GAVE A SECOND. YOU HAD TO PULL YOUR SECOND AND THEN HE CAN AMEND HIS FIRST AND YOU
CAN SECOND IT. 
          I WITHDRAW MY SECOND. I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION RESCINDING MY FIRST ONE. 
          AMEND THE SECOND ONE TO HAVE AN INVOCATION ALONG THE SAME LINES AS THEY CURRENTLY DO FOR
CITY HALL. 
          SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH. TO PREVENT ALL OF THIS AND TO PREVENT ANY,
ANY POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, HURT FEELINGS OR THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS LET'S JUST STICK TO THE TO THE ORDER
OF THE AGENDA. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A MOTION. PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION. 
          TO INSERT A PRAYER OF AFTER CALL TO ORDER AND BEFORE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND
INVOCATION. 
          IN THE SAME FORMAT AS THEY DO FOR CITY HALL MEETINGS. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY, A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. 
          MR. DELGADO? YAY! MR. MYERS. YAY! MR. MILLER. 
          YAY! MR.. GORM. YAY! MR. NORRIS. NAY! MR. O'NEILL. 
          YAY! MISS. SEP. YAY! MISS COFFEY. YAY! MR. CHANDLER. 
          AYE. MR. WEINBERG. NAY. EIGHT TWO. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. 
          AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT. I PASS THE GAVEL BACK TO THE CHAIR,
MR. DELGADO. THANK YOU. GREAT JOB. LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE DONE THAT BEFORE A FEW HUNDRED TIMES. OKAY. THIS IS WE'RE ON NUMBER TWO. CONSIDERATION OF RULES AND PROCEDURES IN CHARTER
FOR THE REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          I ASSUME WE ARE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CHARTER REVIEW AS AS CURRENTLY STAND IS THERE? YES, IF I MAY. OKAY. THERE'S A PROBLEM, A POTENTIAL PROBLEM WITH ARTICLE 12,
SECTION TWO. 
          IF YOU'LL READ IT, IT SAYS FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATION TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THE
CITY COUNCIL FOR PLACEMENT ON THE BALLOT FOR VOTER APPROVAL OR DENIAL, SIX MEMBERS OF THE CRC, WHICH IS, OF COURSE,
A QUORUM MUST VOTE TO APPROVE IT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY AT LEAST ONE MEMBER APPOINTED
BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER PRESENT BY HAVING THAT IN THERE. 
          ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT HE APPOINTED EITHER NOT SHOW UP OR VOTE
AGAINST A PROPOSED AMENDMENT. 
          THEREFORE, IT WON'T GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. SO ESSENTIALLY,
YOU HAVE ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER POTENTIALLY BEING A VETO RATHER THAN THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERING AN AMENDMENT. MISTER CHAIR? YES, THOMAS. I AGREE WITH THAT. MISTER WEINBERG,
THAT A SIMPLE QUORUM SHOULD DO. OKAY. AND THAT IS IN SECTION ONE AND SECTION TWO. 
          YEAH, I MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE ARTICLE 12, SECTION TWO,
TO REMOVE THE THE LAST PART OF THE WHERE YOU HAVE SIX MEMBERS OF HCRC MUST VOTE TO APPROVE IT AND THEN REMOVE THE WITH AT LEAST ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL
MEMBER PRESENT. 
          THAT'S MY MOTION. AND I'LL BE FROM SECTION ONE AND SECTION TWO. 
          YEAH. SECOND THAT SECONDED BY MARK MILLER. A DISCUSSION. 
          WHAT CONSTITUTES A QUORUM? IS IT SIX MEMBERS OR IS IT IS IT MAJORITY OR IS IT TWO THIRDS? WHAT CONSTITUTES MAJORITY IS SIX MEMBERS. SIX MEMBERS. 
          OKAY. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. SECONDED BY MARK. 
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LOST TRACK. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU COULD RESTATE EXACTLY WHICH WHICH PARTS YOU ARE
REMOVING. 
          OKAY. OPPOSED? OKAY. THE THIRD THE THIRD LINE IN SECTION TWO,
WHERE IT SAYS SIX MEMBERS OF THE CRC MUST VOTE TO APPROVE IT. 
          THAT'S FINE. AND THEN JUST REMOVE THE LAST PART WHICH SAYS WHICH AT LEAST ONE MEMBER
APPOINTED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER PRESENT. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. AYE. ALL AGAINST. SAME SIGN. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AS THEY'VE REVIEWED ALL OF THESE
THINGS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, ANY IF I MAY CALL THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE? MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. I WOULD MOVE THAT. ANYONE WHO HAS AN AMENDMENT FOR THESE MEETINGS PUTS IT IN WRITING
SO THAT IT CAN BE CLEARLY STATED WHEN YOU PUT THE QUESTION OUT TO THE COMMISSION,
BECAUSE I FOUND FROM BOARD MEETINGS AND OTHER THINGS THAT SOMETIMES WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS NOT CLEAR, FOR IT TO BE CLEAR,
WE SHOULD ALL HAVE IT IN WRITING. 
          IF IT'S AMENDED, WE CAN MAKE NOTES ON IT. BUT I THINK AS A COURTESY,
I THINK WE COME TO THIS WITH CERTAIN GOALS AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE PREPARATION. SO THE MOTION IS I MOVE THAT EACH COMMISSIONER WHO PRESENTS AN AMENDMENT
WILL PRESENT THAT IN WRITING TO THE CHAIR. IS THAT DO I HAVE A MADE ACROSS THE BOARD? SO IF WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT WE JUST WRITE IT AND HAND IT TO THE CAN. 
          MAKE SENSE. YOU MEAN PRE BEFORE THE MEETING. LET'S MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE MICROPHONE IF
YOU WOULD PLEASE. 
          DO YOU MEAN LIKE ON ON THE FLY AMENDMENT. LIKE JUST NOW HOW WE HAD ON THE FLY AMENDMENTS. 
          AND YOU'D HAVE TO WRITE IT OUT AND HAND IT TO THE CHAIR OR. 
          OKAY. IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S A BIT ONEROUS, BUT IT DOES MAKE SENSE. 
          OH, THAT'S WAS IT RELATED TO ANY MOTION OR FOR WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR WORK. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND A SPECIFIC PART OF THE CHARTER,
I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          YOU COME TO THE MEETING WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING A MOTION THAT IF YOU COME TO THE
MEETING WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING A MOTION THAT WILL AMEND THE CHARTER, YOU SHOULD COME TO THE MEETING WITH IT IN WRITING. 
          SO AT LEAST THE CHAIR KNOWS HOW TO PUT THE QUESTION PROPERLY. 
          IF THERE'S AN AMENDMENT DURING THE DISCUSSION,
YOU CAN HANDWRITE IT AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE QUESTION IS STATED CLEARLY. BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, EVEN TONIGHT,
I'M NOT SURE WHAT I VOTED ON. 
          OKAY, KEN YOU HAVE A MOTION. NOT A SECOND. THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH, I WANT TO SECOND FOR THE POINT OF DISCUSSION. 
          BUT IF WE CAN WORK ON YOUR AMENDMENT A LITTLE BIT RELATIVE TO SECTION 13,
BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING SORT OF SIMILAR, BUT FOR THE FOR THE SAKE REALLY, OF TRANSPARENCY IF THE PROPOSAL IS PRESENTED,
THE FIRST TIME IT'S PRESENTED SHOULD BE AN INTRODUCTION. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TWO READINGS AFTER THAT TO ALLOW AMPLE PARTICIPATION FROM
RESIDENTS AND OR FOR US TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ON IT. 
          AND SO IF IT'S PRESENTED FIRST INTRODUCED YOU'LL,
YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO SEE WHATEVER LANGUAGE IS IN THERE. 
          BUT FOR IT TO FORMALLY BE ADOPTED, THERE MUST BE A FIRST READING AND A SECOND READING.
THOMAS, COME A COUPLE POINTS. FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE
AGENDA, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO WRITE IT DOWN. ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SAY THAT BEFORE THE THE VOTE
IS TAKEN, THE MOTION IS READ INTO THE RECORD. AND AS LONG AS THAT HAPPENS,
THERE'S NO REASON TO TO WRITE IT ALL DOWN AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT. 
          KEN. YES, THERESE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HISTORICALLY,
THE WAY THESE HAVE BEEN HANDLED, THIS IS MY FOURTH CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT I'VE GONE THROUGH. AND THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION,
BUT IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SEND IT TO ME. I CAN THEN PUT IT IN THE FORMAT SO THAT EVERYBODY
CAN HAVE IT AND CAN INCLUDE IT IN THE AGENDA PACKET. 
          JORDAN CHANDLER, ONCE AGAIN IF WE CAN WORK WITH YOUR AMENDMENT THERE,
IF THE ITEM IS INTRODUCED VIA PROPOSAL IS PUT ON THE AGENDA, 
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IT IS PROPOSED, IT IS INTRODUCED BY WHOEVER THAT SPONSORING MEMBER IS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO READINGS ON THE ITEM ONCE AGAIN TO ALLOW AMPLE PARTICIPATION FROM THE
AUDIENCE. 
          ALSO FOR US TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN MEETINGS. 
          IF SOMEONE WANTED TO PROPOSE CHANGE ON THE SEVENTH MEETING,
IT WOULD MEAN IT WOULD TAKE TWO MORE READINGS BEFORE WE COULD ACTUALLY ADDRESS IT. ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK IF WE NOTIFY RESIDENTS THAT THE LAST DAY TO TECHNICALLY PROPOSE
SOMETHING AND OR WE. IT'S MARCH 12TH. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          I'VE SERVED ON THIS CHARTER COMMISSION ALSO DID BREVARD COUNTY. 
          WE OPERATED THAT WAY. AND UNDER UNDER UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BRING AN ISSUE TO THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION
IS BY PROVING, BY OFFERING AN AMENDMENT. THEN IT BECOMES DISCUSSED. 
          IT CAN BE AMENDED DURING THE DISCUSSION, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY,
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT TIME. 
          THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S NOT HOW ROBERT'S RULES WORKS. 
          THE ONLY WAY FOR ANY COMMISSIONER TO BRING IT TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION IS BY PROPOSING AN
AMENDMENT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTANDING ME. 
          IF YOU HAVE A AMENDMENT, A PROPOSAL CITY CLERK JUST SAID SEND IT TO HER. 
          THAT WILL BE PUT ON THE AGENDA. YOU WILL THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR ITEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT ALSO ASSISTS WITH YOUR ISSUE OF WELL,
PUT IT IN WRITING. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU PRESENT THAT TO US, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO SEE IT IN WRITING FIRST,
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THEN MAKE TWO ADDITIONAL CASES AS TO WHY WE SHOULD SUPPORT THAT PARTICULAR AMENDMENT. SO I'M NOT,
I'M SURE, FROM ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER PERSPECTIVE HOW WE'RE CONFUSING THAT. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN I THINK THAT ALSO SATISFIES YOUR ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION. 
          KEN, IF I MAY. YES, PLEASE. BILL, FIRST OF ALL YOU MAY NOT COME TO THIS MEETING WITH THE
INTENT OF PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT. 
          YOU MAY. AND DURING THE DISCUSSION, YOU MAY BRING UP A PROPOSED AMENDMENT AT THAT TIME. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY COME TO THIS MEETING WITH A PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN MIND. 
          BUT AS FAR AS AS FAR AS JORDAN'S PROPOSAL IS,
I THINK IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEONE INTRODUCES AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROPOSAL IT WOULD BE,
I ASSUME, TERESA, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT ALL THESE MEETINGS. 
          YES. SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE TERESA CAN CAN
PUT IT IN WRITING AND THEN WE COULD VOTE ON IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, THE FIRST MEETING,
YOU WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. 
          IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TERESA WOULD PUT IT IN WRITING PROVIDED TO ALL OF US AT THE NEXT
MEETING AND AT THAT TIME, VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. MADAM SMITH. IF THAT'S. 
          THAT'S KOSHER, AS THEY SAY. THAT'S A BRUTAL PROCEDURE. 
          YOU ALL ARE FREE TO ADOPT. JORDAN CHANDLER, I'LL JUST SAY I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. 
          BUT I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A PROPOSAL ON THE AGENDA,
AND WE VOTE THEREAFTER. 
          RIGHT. AND SO AS LONG AS THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND WEIGH IN ON
IT, THEN I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. IF WE JUST WANT TO DO TECHNICALLY AN INTRODUCTION OF THE
ITEM AND THEN A FIRST READING OR WHATEVER. 
          I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. AND THOMAS, I SAW YOUR HAND. 
          THE AGENDAS GO OUT FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT WOULD CONTAIN ALL THAT ITEM ALONG WITH ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. 
          THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE A SECOND READING. WE ONLY HAVE. 
          I'M SORRY. I CAN'T SEE YOUR NAME. SO? SO I STILL DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME. 
          OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CHAIR HAVE HIS OWN MICROPHONE. 
          AND I DO APOLOGIZE. WE ARE SHORT MICROPHONES. 
          WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR SECOND PART OF OUR WIRELESS MICS TO COME IN. 
          OKAY. ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO NOT VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE
FLOOR WITHOUT EITHER LAYING IT ON THE TABLE OR POSTPONING IT TO A FUTURE DATE. SO IF WE'RE FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES,
IF WE'RE NOT, THEN WE NEED TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE AND THEN GO HOME AND GOD KNOWS WHO YOU'RE BEING TOLD WHAT
TO SAY. 
          WHICH IS THE REASON FOR THAT? OKAY. IT'S IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT WHATEVER WE COME,
THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE COME TO 
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HERE, WE WILL EITHER MAKE A DECISION OR OR SAY NO OR SAY POSTPONE IT. 
          BUT YOU CANNOT JUST BLANKET WAIT FOR IT. THAT'S NOT ROBERT'S RULES. 
          MR. CHANDLER. I JUST GOT ONE MORE STATEMENT. I'LL BE DONE WITH THIS OR I PROMISE. I DON'T
THINK PROCEDURALLY, WE'RE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT ARE SETTING THE PROCEDURE. WE'RE NOT OPERATING BY ROBERT'S
RULES OF ORDER. WE NEVER SET THAT IN STANDARD PRIOR TO THIS. 
          WELL, DURING THIS MEETING. SO WE'RE NOT OPERATING BY ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. 
          WE'RE OPERATING. YEAH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS CITY GOVERNMENT,
EVERYTHING ALL OF OUR BOARDS ALWAYS OPERATE UNDER NO CITY COUNCIL? NO, NOT EVEN CLOSE. JEFFERSON,
WE'RE TOTALLY OFF THE RAILS. 
          CHAIR, MAY I ADD, SINCE THIS IS WHY WE DON'T GET THINGS DONE. 
          QUICK QUESTION. MR. NORRIS. YES? CAN WE IS THERE A WAY TO INSERT SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN
ABSTAIN FROM VOTING, WHERE WE'RE NOT FORCED TO VOTE? IS THERE A NO. 
          ONLY IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST DUE TO FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. 
          WHY ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING? IS IT JUST THERE'S ENOUGH COUNCIL. THERE'S ENOUGH MEMBERS. I THINK 1 OR 2 PEOPLE JUST
STATE LAW. 
          MR. BE RECOGNIZED. OKAY. MR. CHANDLER, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS? THE SECOND. I KNOW YOU WANTED IT FOR DISCUSSION SAKE,
SO. 
          SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND. OKAY. SO, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? DOES NOT PASS FOR LACK OF LACK OF A SECOND. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO PROPOSE MAKE A
MOTION ON THIS THIS PROCEDURE? MR. CHAIR? YES. MR. CHANDLER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE RELATIVE TO
ARTICLE 13 PROCEDURE FOR PRESENTING CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSALS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE ADD A
SECTION IN THERE THAT STATES THAT THERE WILL BE A FIRST A INTRODUCTION OF THE ITEM AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL READING BEFORE THAT PARTICULAR AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. 
          REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE. SAY IT AGAIN. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME, SIR? SO, RELATIVE TO ARTICLE 13. 
          YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT. WE ADD A SECTION WHERE THE ITEM IS INTRODUCED. 
          THE PROPOSAL IS AND THEN THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL READING ON IT BEFORE THAT AMENDMENT IS
ADOPTED. 
          SO WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF AN ITEM IN ONE MEETING. 
          CORRECT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IS WHAT HE'S SAYING,
CORRECT. 
          I WON'T SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? THAT'S ESSENTIALLY EXACTLY WHAT I PROPOSED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ALL AGAINST. NAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EXCITING MEETING. 
          MR. DELGADO. YES, MR. MYERS? OKAY, MR. MILLER. 
          MR. COM. NAY. MR. NORRIS. NAY. MR. O'NEAL. NAY. 
          NAY. NAY. NAY. MR. CHANDLER. A MR. WEINBERG,
I DID NOT HAVE A COUNT. 
          WHAT'S THE COUNT? IT IS A FAILED 6 TO 4. IT FAILS. 
          6 TO 4. IT DOES NOT PASS. I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE POTENTIAL THOUGHT. 
          IF WE WANT TO SAY, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO FIT IT,
I'M ASSUMING IT'LL BE ON ARTICLE 13. 
          I KNOW SOMETIMES THINGS HAVE PASSED, AND WE FIND OUT LATER HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PLACE IT
ON THE BALLOT. 
          AND THE WORDING IS CAN BE CONFUSING OR MISLEADING. 
          IS IT IS IT LEGAL? IS IT POSSIBLE TO TO IF SOMETHING DOES PASS TO CHANGE THAT? THE WORDING IS, IS WHEN IT'S PRESENTED ON THE BALLOT,
CAN WE KNOW WHAT THE WORDING IS GOING TO BE LIKE BEFORE AS WE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT,
BUT CAN WE PROPOSE BEFOREHAND HOW IT'S PRESENTED TO THE, TO THE DAIS FOR THEM THEN TO VOTE ON IT. WAS THAT CLEAR? CERTAINLY. YOU CAN MAKE A PROPOSAL. I WILL TELL YOU. 
          WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHICH OF THESE THEY WILL WANT TO ADOPT. 
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WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO SPECIALIZES IN MAKING SURE THAT THESE BALLOT SUMMARIES
FOLLOW THE LAW. 
          HE WILL THEN REVIEW WHAT IT IS, HE WILL MAKE SURE THE BALLOT SUMMARY FOLLOWS. 
          THE LAW IS THE. THAT IT'S SHORT AND CONCISE IS THE CORRECT WORD COUNT AND COUNCIL WILL
HAVE WHATEVER YOU PROPOSE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. 
          BUT I WILL ADVISE COUNSEL TO ADOPT WHATEVER OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL SAYS IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE LAW. 
          IF THOSE TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME, THEN I WILL BE ADVOCATING FOR IT IF THEY DIFFER. 
          I'M CERTAINLY WOULD ASK COUNSEL TO PUT MORE WEIGHT ON WHAT THE ATTORNEY HAS SAID,
BUT IT DOES. 
          CERTAINLY. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DEFINITELY CAN DO. SO BEFORE I CONTINUE AND MAKE A MOTION
AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IF I'M OUT OF ORDER,
JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          THOUGHTS ON THAT? IMPORTANT. NOT IMPORTANT. HOW IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT MISCONSTRUED RUDE
AFTER IT'S BEEN GONE TO COUNCIL. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE OR COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE PRIOR TO IT GOING TO
COUNCIL, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD OUR INTENT. 
          OH, WAIT A MINUTE, MR. THOMAS. COME. OH, I'M SORRY,
MADAM SMITH. 
          IF YOU JUST GIVE IT A SECOND. GO AHEAD. I THINK I'M MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          IS IT THAT YOU ALL WANT FOR EACH OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND,
THAT THERE BE A BALLOT SUMMARY PREPARED BY THAT IS TYPICALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT IS DONE BY OUTSIDE COUNSEL,
SO I DON'T INCUR THE EXPENSE UNTIL I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS AND COUNCIL IS WILLING TO ACTUALLY SEND OUT TO
REFERENDUM JUST IN THE MAKING SURE I MAKE THE MOST JUDICIOUS USE OF MY OUTSIDE COUNSEL BUDGET BECAUSE LIKE I SAID,
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DONE IN-HOUSE. 
          SO I TYPICALLY DO NOT SEND IT OUT UNTIL I HAVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. 
          THOMAS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE ONLY MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS,
AND THEY'RE THEY'RE GENERALIZED RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR AN INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. COUNCIL CAN TAKE ONE. 
          THEY CAN TAKE ALL. THEY CAN TAKE NONE. THEY CAN MAKE UP ALL THEIR OWN AT THAT POINT AND
TOTALLY NULLIFY EVERYTHING WE DID. 
          SO TO GET THAT FAR INTO IT, I THINK IS, IS REALLY PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. 
          YEAH. KEN, IF I MAY. YEAH. LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO AS FAR AS ANY AMENDMENTS. 
          PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. IF WE VOTE ON IT, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE VOTING
ON. 
          THAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          NOW, HOW IT APPEARS ON THE BALLOT. OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL WOULD DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO PUT
IT ON THE BALLOT. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WE APPROVE,
THAT'S HOW IT'S PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO IT'S A MOOT POINT. I DON'T WISH TO. OH, GO RIGHT AHEAD,
PLEASE. 
          AND IT'S SEP. SEP. YES. THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH YOUR PROPOSAL. 
          MOSTLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE THE WHEN IT GOES ON THE BALLOT,
IT'S LIMITED TO 75 WORDS, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THE WAY IT CAME OUT WAS VERY NEBULOUS. ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE VOTING FOR WAS NOT WHAT WE GOT. 
          IT'S VERY TYPICAL ON BALLOTS TO HAVE LAWS WITH LOOPHOLES,
AND THAT'S WHAT IT REEKS OF. 
          AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO FIND A WAY TO PREVENT THAT. 
          AND ONE WAY TO PREVENT IT IS, SAY, THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          NOW, PATRICIA CAN ADVISE US SOMEWHAT ON IF WE'RE,
YOU KNOW, GOING OVERBOARD BEFORE WE COME TO OUR CONCLUSIONS, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. MADAM SMITH,
ANOTHER OPTION IS, OF COURSE, YOU ALL WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU THEN DON'T HAVE TO BE INVOLVED. 
          CERTAINLY A NUMBER OF YOU, YOU KNOW, COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          IT CAN BE THAT YOU ALL DECIDE, BECAUSE WHATEVER OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL DECIDES,
THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE AGENDA. 
          SO WHEN THESE COUNCIL HAS SEEN THESE BALLOT SUMMARIES,
THEY'RE PUBLIC THAT YOU ALL EVEN THOUGH THAT THIS COMMISSION IS NOT MEETING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE. AND IF IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING JUST LIKE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
THAT. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THIS MAY BE CONFUSING. 
          I THINK PEOPLE MAY NOT GET IT. IS THAT YOU THEN VOICE YOUR OPINION. 
          AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. 
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THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT COUNSEL OUTSIDE COUNSEL PROVIDED AND IF THERE IS ANY
AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, I THINK THAT MAY BE THE BEST SOLUTION IN WHICH IT STILL OCCURS IN THE NORMAL FASHION,
AND WE AREN'T EXPENDING ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS, BUT YOU ALL GET TO HAVE YOUR VOICES HEARD. I'M GOING TO NOT CONTINUE ON MY SIDE. 
          I THINK THE PROCESS IS THERE FOR FOR ADDRESSING ANY SITUATION BETWEEN HERE AND WHEN IT
ACTUALLY GETS ON THE BALLOT, IF IT GETS ON THE BALLOT, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY. 
          AND SO I'M NOT PUSHING IT FORWARD. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS THAT THEY WOULD
LIKE TO LOOK ON THE ARTICLES? DO I HAVE A MOTION? DO I HAVE A MOVE TO TO ACCEPT IT AS AS STANDS WITH WITH THE CHANGE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED ON ARTICLE
12. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE WITH THE WITH THE CHANGE TO
ARTICLE 12 AS WE APPROVED. 
          SECOND. MOTION. BY PHIL AND SECONDED BY THOMAS. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR BY THE SIGN OF I. 
          I ALL ALL IN AGAINST BY BY THE SIGN OF NATE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          I BELIEVE WE'RE IN PART THREE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          DISCUSSION OF TIMETABLE AND ORDER FOR REVIEWING THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE AT THE LAST
PAGE THE LIST OF DATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND ANY ANY THOMAS. YEAH, I HAVE. I HAVE A LOT OF NOTES ON THIS. THERE'S TEN SECTIONS TO THE CITY CHARTER. 
          WE NEED TO DEVELOP AND ADAPT A DETAILED WORK PLAN. 
          SEVEN MEETINGS I DON'T THINK ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, JACKSONVILLE, MAITLAND, ORANGE COUNTY HAD BETWEEN 10 AND 20 MEETINGS FOR
THEIR CHARTER REVIEWS. 
          I'D RECOMMEND AT LEAST BEING FLEXIBLE AND OPEN TO ADDING MORE MEETINGS. 
          NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO SCHEDULE THEM AT THIS POINT,
BUT I JUST SIMPLY DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO AN ADEQUATE JOB IN 7 OR 7 MEETINGS. SECOND SECONDED BY MISS SET. DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? I DID MAKE A MOTION. I WAS JUST OPENING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AS LONG AS WE GET PAID DOUBLE FOR THOSE EXTRA MEETINGS,
I THINK. YEAH. 
          THERESE, I CAN TELL YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. 
          LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ARTICLE ONE IS THE CREATION POWERS AND DEFINITIONS. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THAT. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE
CHARTER. 
          I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE CHARTER REVIEW,
WE WERE MEETING TWICE A MONTH, AND WE DID THAT FOR FOUR MONTHS. 
          IT IT'S I WOULD SUGGEST AS WE GET GO INTO THIS AND WE GET FURTHER IN IF,
IF ADDITIONAL MEETINGS ARE REQUIRED, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO. SO YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD PICK UP THE PACE AND DO TWICE A
MONTH MEETINGS. 
          MIGHT GET US THROUGH IT. MANAGER MORTON. I JUST HAVE A TIMETABLE QUESTION. 
          I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE MAY 14TH IS YOUR ONLY DROP DEAD DATE,
BECAUSE DOES THAT GIVE YOU TIME TO PREPARE AND PROCESS FOR THE ELECTION AND BALLOT? YOU DON'T WANT TO EXTEND PAST MAY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU SQUEEZE EXTRA MEETINGS IN IS IT BEFORE
MAY? I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT WOULD BE BEFORE MAY ONLY BECAUSE COUNCIL DOES NOT MEET IN JUNE JULY. THE ITEMS WILL PROBABLY GO TO COUNCIL FOR FOR THE BALLOT. 
          I HAVE TO GET IT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS BY AUGUST. 
          THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MR. MILLER? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAVE ANY INPUT ON
THESE DATES BY NOVEMBER 13TH. I ALREADY HAVE PLANS AND PEOPLE FLYING IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES TO MEET ON NOVEMBER
13TH, SO I WON'T BE AVAILABLE THE FIRST WEEK. BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO MOVE THAT ONE MEETING,
I WILL SCHEDULE EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THESE DATES. 
          JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THESE DATES WAS JUST ARBITRARY. 
          IT WAS BASED ON COUNCIL CHAMBERS AVAILABILITY. 
          OKAY, SO AND TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME DAY EVERY MONTH. 
          SO NO OTHER MONDAYS ARE AVAILABLE OTHER THAN THOSE MONDAYS. 
          IT ALL DEPENDS THESE THURSDAYS. RIGHT? TUESDAY. 
          SO IN NOVEMBER. WHAT NOVEMBER 13TH IS, IS A THURSDAY THE 20TH. 
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THAT'S COUNCIL MEETING 20TH. OKAY. HOW ABOUT ON MONDAY? ABOUT 10 TO 14. 10 TO 14. TEN TO THE. IS THE 17TH AVAILABLE? NO IT IS NOT. THE 10TH IS AVAILABLE. OF COURSE THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BEFORE THE HOLIDAY. ANY OTHER DATES THAT ARE AVAILABLE DURING DURING THAT TIME? MAYBE THE WEEK BEFORE. THE WEEK AFTER. NOVEMBER 3RD AND FOURTH. 
          WOULD ANYBODY. YES. SO IS JONATHAN. IS THIS A PROCESS THAT MUST GO TO MAY 14TH,
OR CAN IT BE WRAPPED UP BEFORE THEN IF WE OR IT CAN BE WRAPPED UP BEFORE? YEAH. EVERYBODY FINE WITH NOVEMBER 4TH? NO ELECTION. 
          YES. LOOK, IF 1 OR 2 MEMBERS CAN'T MAKE IT ON A SPECIFIC DATE,
WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE WE EVEN HAD. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO SCHEDULE THIS MEETING. 
          IF 1 OR 2 MEMBERS ARE UNABLE TO MAKE A SPECIFIC DATE,
THEN DON'T MAKE IT. 
          IT'S AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM. THAT'S FINE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW HAVE DISCUSSIONS IF YOU WANT CLARIFICATION OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE NEXT MEETING, THAT'S FINE. BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO POINT CHANGING THE SCHEDULE,
IF YOU HAVE 1 OR 2 PEOPLE THAT CAN'T MAKE IT A SPECIFIC DATE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MASSAGE EVERY ONE OF THESE DATES. 
          AND. OKAY. IS THIS GOOD FOR YOU? IS THIS GOOD FOR YOU? IS THIS GOOD FOR YOU? YOU KNOW, THERESA, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE DATES THAT THAT THAT THIS CHAMBER IS AVAILABLE. 
          SO LET'S JUST STICK TO THE SCHEDULE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE WITH THE ADDITION THAT IF THERE'S NECESSARY
MEETINGS THAT ARE NEEDED, THEN WE ACCOMMODATE. THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? I'M SORRY. WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? I'M SORRY. THOMAS. SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME THINGS. TYLER O'NEILL. 
          TYLER O'NEILL. SO WHAT WE'RE MOTIONING HERE IS TO KEEP THE SCHEDULE,
KEEPING THE SCHEDULE AS IS AND NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL DATES. 
          NO, THE THE THE STATEMENT WAS IF YOU GO AHEAD AND CLEAR THAT UP. 
          SO THE MOTION IS TO STICK WITH THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE. 
          BUT IF WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL DATES THEN WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE AND DO THAT. 
          GOOD TO GO. WITH THAT BEING SAID, BRINGS ME DOWN TO OUR ABSENCES. 
          AND WE'LL IF WE ADD ADDITIONAL ONES, WILL THAT AFFECT ABSENCES OR BEING ABLE TO FLEX YOUR
DATE YOU'RE AVAILABLE TO MAKE? BECAUSE JUST LIKE MARK MILLAR AND I TRAVEL AS WELL FOR WORK. 
          SO IN THE FUTURE THAT IF I CAN ADJUST MY SCHEDULE TO BE HERE,
SO BE IT. 
          I WILL BE HERE. BUT IF MY ARM IS BENT AND I CAN'T BUT ADDING THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL
MEETINGS, WILL THAT GO INTO AFFECTING OUR ABSENCES? YES. 
          AND BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE A FLEX, IT WOULD AFFECT ABSENCES BECAUSE THESE ARE THESE WOULD
BE YOUR REGULAR MEETINGS REGARDLESS OF WHAT DAYS THEY ARE HELD. 
          SO IF YOU MISS THREE CONSECUTIVE, YOU AUTOMATICALLY VACATE YOUR SEAT EVEN IF ADDITIONALS
ARE ADDED. 
          CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT YEAH, JUST AND TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND IT HAD TO BE THREE
CONSECUTIVE. 
          WE'RE ADDING MORE. IT ADDS THAT'S THE PROBABILITY. 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THREE CONSECUTIVE. AND AGAIN IT'S ONLY IF NEEDED THAT IT WOULD BE
PRESENTED AS, AS WE PROCEED FORWARD. AS THERESA JONES MENTIONED,
SOMETIMES WE CAN GO A LOT FASTER DEPENDING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE CHARTER REVIEW. 
          IT MEANT SO WE HAVE A. PROPOSED BY CHANDLER. SECONDED BY THOMAS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL AGAINST MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          DISCUSSION OF MEETING SCHEDULE. THAT WAS. THAT'S BASICALLY IT,
RIGHT? YEP. AND IF I MAY, I HAVE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO QUESTION. 
          IN THE FACT, SORRY, THE FACT THAT THERE IS A VERY WHAT I CALL LIMITED SCHEDULE HERE. 
          IS THERE A PROCESS IF WE HAVE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING TO CITIZENS SINCE I GOT APPOINTED ABOUT ALL THIS,
AND I HAVE PROPOSALS THAT I ALREADY WANT TO SUBMIT. 
          CAN I JUST GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THEM TO YOU? THEY CAN BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT
MEETING. 
          IN ORDER TO ACCELERATE THE PROCESS. I WOULD SUGGEST,
YES, YOU CAN SEND THEM ALL TO ME. 
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I WOULD SUGGEST WE KIND OF GO IN AN ORDER. SO,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEXT MEETING I'M GOING TO HAVE LEGISLATIVE THE ARTICLE THREE AND ARTICLE FOUR, LEGISLATIVE AND ADMINISTRATION ON THE NEXT MEETING FOR YOU ALL TO GO THROUGH. 
          I, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF EACH ARTICLE, WILL DETERMINE HOW MANY I'M GOING TO PUT ON THE
AGENDA. 
          SO IF WE HAVE SMALLER ONES, I CAN PUT MULTIPLE ARTICLES ON THERE FOR YOU ALL TO GO
THROUGH. 
          THESE TWO ARE PRETTY LENGTHY, SO I'M JUST PUTTING THOSE ON THE FIRST MEETING. OKAY. 
          SO ANYTHING IN ARTICLE THREE AND FOUR CORRECT. 
          THAT'LL BE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. SO ANYTHING IN ARTICLE THREE AND FOUR FOR THE NEXT
MEETING. AND AGAIN YOU CAN SEND ME ALL OF YOURS. YES I CAN JUST KEEP THEM ON STANDBY. 
          DO YOU HAVE A FORM OR A FORMAT THAT YOU WOULD PREFER? NOPE. YOU CAN JUST SEND IT TO ME. IF I HAVE QUESTIONS,
I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU. I'LL FORMAT IT PROPERLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AS AN ORDINANCE, FORMATTED AS AN ORDINANCE. I'M JOKING. NO, I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MARK MILLER. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW,
IT'S BEEN THE FIRST TIME ON THE BOARD HERE. 
          SO NOW THAT WE KNOW WE'RE REVIEWING THREE AND FOUR,
IS THE INTENT FOR US TO REVIEW IT OUTSIDE, SEND YOU ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS RELATED TO THREE AND FOUR SO THAT THEY'RE
AVAILABLE FOR DISCUSSION ON THE FIRST MEETING, OR DO WE WAIT TILL THE FIRST MEETING AND THEN PRESENT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ON ARTICLE
THREE AND FOUR? IF YOU HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS, YOU WILL SEND THOSE TO ME. 
          OKAY. IF THERE ARE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, YOU'LL PRESENT THAT AT THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. BUT ANY AMENDMENTS WILL COME TO ME FOR THE PACKET. 
          GOTCHA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL OFFICIALLY WE WILL. OH. I'M SORRY. 
          IS THERE ANY ANY STATEMENT BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTENDING? AND WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC OVER ON THIS SIDE AND GIVE US YOUR NAME? WE HAVE. JUDY CRANDALL, NORTHEAST PALM BAY. I WATCH THESE VIDEOS AT HOME SOMETIMES. I'LL PROBABLY WATCH THIS ONE OVER AGAIN. 
          BUT ONE THING THAT I AM ASKING FOR YOU TO DO IS PLEASE DON'T SPEAK LIKE THIS WITH THE WITH THIS MIC HERE. IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO HEAR ON THE VIDEO YOU YOU MUST SPEAK INTO IT AND OUT BECAUSE I HAVE TO REPLAY AND REPLAY AND I'M,
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IT SOUNDS GARBLED. SO PLEASE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE EVERYONE A MICROPHONE,
BUT PLEASE SPEAK OUT AND INTO THE MICROPHONE. THAT'S IT. MAY I ASK YOU,
AS OPPOSED TO HOW ARE WE DOING. 
          WELL, SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES. AND THIS THIS IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          SOMETIMES THERE. LET ME JUST SHOW YOU OKAY. SO THE MICROPHONE IS UP HERE AND SOMEONE IS
LOOKING DOWN HERE THAT WHEN IT GOES INTO THE VIDEO, IT IS. 
          I CAN'T MAKE IT OUT. IT'S VERY GARBLED, BUT I TELL YOU WHO DOES THE BEST JOB AND THAT'S
CHANDLER. 
          WHEN HE SPEAKS INTO THE MICROPHONE, IT'S VERY CLEAR AND VERY LOUD. 
          SO NOT YELLING, NOT NOT MIC. YEAH. JUST SO THAT IT'S LIKE VERY CLOSE TO YOUR MOUTH. BUT PLEASE DON'T PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN AND SPEAK LOUDLY,
NOT WHISPERS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I'M I'M A VIDEO NUT. I WATCH ALL OF THESE BY VIDEO AND IT'S SO HARD TO LISTEN. 
          THANK YOU. I MEAN, THANK YOU. SET IT UP TO ROBERT BURNS,
SOUTHEAST PALM BAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO OFFER AS A SERVICE TO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT MAY HAVE AN IDEA OR A
PROPOSAL, AND THEY NEED THE PUBLIC'S OR WANT THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK. 
          WHETHER IT'S POLLING OR JUST FOR MORE INPUT ON YOUR AMENDMENTS,
YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL PUBLISH IT ON THE SPACE COAST ROCKET AS AS SENT. THERE WON'T BE ANY EDITORIALIZING OR ANY FEEDBACK FROM US IF YOU SEND ME. 
          [01:25:06]
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO ASK THE PUBLIC. SEND IT TO ME. 
          I'LL PUT IT OUT THERE AND YOU CAN USE THAT INFORMATION FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES YOU WANT. 
          THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE PERIODICAL? IT'S THE SPACE COAST ROCKET. 
          OKAY. YEAH, IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO USE IT. 
          I'M AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. IT'S UP TO YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE
WE ADJOURN THE MEETING? MEETING'S ADJOURNED OFFICIALLY AT 7:25 P.M.. HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR EVENING. 
          AND THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR COMING TODAY. GOOD.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.