[00:00:02] OKAY, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS REGULAR MEETING. [CALL TO ORDER] 2025 11 OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD. COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES. CHAIR. TIBUR. PRESENT. VICE CHAIR. PETER. BOARD MEMBER. PRESENT. BOARD MEMBER. CARD PRESENT. BOARD MEMBER. JOHNSON. PRESENT. BOARD MEMBER. MR.. MAUREEN HERE. BOARD MEMBER. DOCTOR. LIVINGSTON. PRESENT. BOARD MEMBER MCNELLY HERE. BOARD MEMBER OF STATE LAW IS ON THE PHONE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER? OKAY. BOARD MEMBER WALKER HERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND SINCE WE DO HAVE TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS WITH US TONIGHT, IF WE COULD JUST PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND ON THE AGENDA AND INTRODUCE OUR NEW MEMBERS. WE HAVE MISS CARR DOWN. IF YOU JUST WANT TO GIVE US A LITTLE WELCOME AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF. HELLO. MY CAR HERE I AM A RESIDENT HERE IN PALM BAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW PROFESSIONALLY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SHARE OR NOT SHARE THAT PART. I SPENT A DECADE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT OUT OF WASHINGTON, DC. THEIR HEADQUARTERS COMPONENT WRITING POLICY FOR HUD PROGRAMS. I ALSO SPENT TIME IN MIAMI AS A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR ALL OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. OH, EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT. THAT'S SOME GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR US TO HAVE. OH, MR. JOHNSON. YES, SIR. HAVE YOU APPLIED FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY? OH, YOU CAN'T STEAL HER. SHE'S A BOARD MEMBER. LET'S. LET'S TALK AFTERWARDS, SIR. LET'S TALK AFTERWARDS, PLEASE. SHE SAID OH, SHE'S OPEN TO A JOB. OH, NO TALKING AFTER ABOUT THAT, PLEASE WELCOME ABOARD. I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE MR. OSTALO ON THE PHONE. IS THAT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE THAT? CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I CAN'T HEAR IT. OKAY. CAN HE HEAR US, CARMEN? YES. HE SAYS YES. OKAY, OKAY. WE ARE GIVING YOU A WELCOME. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON. EXCELLENT. OKAY. SO NEXT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. I AM NOT SEEING ANY. SO THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. [PUBLIC HEARING] OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE EVALUATION AND APPROVAL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVE STRATEGIES. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MISS CARTER. THIS IS. OH. YEAH. GOT IT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANNUALLY REVIEWING THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR INCENTIVES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT. AND I GUESS YOU WOULD TAKE US THROUGH. OR IF YOU WANT TANYA TO TAKE US THROUGH. THE HOUSING PLANNER FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS HERE TO GO THROUGH THIS WITH YOU ALL. IT'S THE SAME WITHOUT SOME. YOU SAW SOME STRIKETHROUGHS. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED. IS THE. IS THE EXACT INCENTIVES FROM LAST YEAR THAT YOU APPROVED. OKAY, WE AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON EACH ONE. CORRECT? OKAY. SO DOES TANYA WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE? AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE SAME INCENTIVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGE. DOES THAT PROCESS WORK FOR EVERYONE? YES. OKAY, SO WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? TANYA, IF YOU WANT TO RUN US THROUGH EACH ONE AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL DISCUSS AND TAKE A VOTE AS NEEDED. SURE. LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST INCENTIVE LISTED HERE IS EXPEDITED PERMITTING. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ OFF ANY OF IT OR. I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE JUST READ WHAT THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION WAS. I, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, AND THEN THE BOARD JUST KIND OF SAID IF THEY AGREED WITH THAT EXISTING RECOMMENDATION, IF I'M, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU WANT ME TO READ OFF THE RECOMMENDATION? SURE. LET'S TRY THAT. OKAY. EXPEDITED PERMITTING. RECOMMENDATION ON KDAB. REGULAR MEETING HELD ON MAY 15TH, 2024. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO ADD AN EXPEDITED PERMITTING PROCESS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE CITY FUNDING, [00:05:04] AND FOR THE EXPEDITED PERMITTING TO BE CONSIDERED FOR PRIVATELY FUNDED HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER THIS INCENTIVE. OKAY. DID ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT INCENTIVE? NO, I GUESS NO. GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. MADAM CHAIR. I GUESS MY QUESTION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. SO I'LL JUST ASK IT NOW. HAVE ANY OF THESE BEEN UTILIZED OR HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THERE'S BETTER PRACTICES THAN YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. SO IF WE'RE SEEING THAT THIS ISN'T EVEN BEING UTILIZED AT ALL, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OKAY, THIS. SO YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. CARTER, ONE OF THE THINGS. YES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHANGED WAS I THINK ABOUT BACK IN APRIL AND APRIL. I WAS WORKING WITH JOAN ON IT, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, AT MELBOURNE WE HAD A FORM BECAUSE I SAID, HOW CAN WE TELL THAT THIS IS HAPPENING? WE HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION EVERY YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR SHIP FUNDS. SO HOW CAN WE TELL THAT IT'S EXPEDITED? AND SO I SAID, WHY DON'T WE USE THE FORM A SIMILAR FORM. SO WE CREATED A FORM AND WE'RE STARTING WE'RE STARTING USING IN FACT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS JUST SENT IT TO US ACTUALLY GAVE IT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BY MISTAKE, AND THEY SENT IT TO US. SO IT IS WORKING NOW, BUT WE HAVE THE FORM WHICH WILL HELP. OKAY. AND THEN THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THE DATA. SO WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT I'M GOOD. AND I THINK WHEN GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAME AND THEY GAVE THAT PRESENTATION, I THINK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ELECTRONIC PERMITTING SOFTWARE. AND IF THERE WAS A WAY IN THAT SOFTWARE, AS THEY'RE SUBMITTING FOR PERMITTING TO TO MARKET SOMEHOW THAT IT WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE THE EXPEDITED I'M SORRY, EXPEDITED PERMITTING. YEAH. IT SAYS IT ON THERE FOR OKAY OKAY. MY ONLY QUESTION IS IS EXPEDITED PERMITTING. IS THAT CODIFIED IN CITY CODE OR IT'S ONLY A POLICY. IT'S AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S A POLICY AS FAR AS I KNOW THE POLICY BECAUSE MELBOURNE IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW TO PUT IT IN CODE AS PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION OF CODE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PALM BAY MIGHT WANT TO ALSO LOOK AT, BECAUSE HISTORICALLY EXPEDITED PERMITTING WAS A POLICY, BUT IT'S NOW BEING CODIFIED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE. MAY I? YES. TO THAT END, YES, IT DOES NEED TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE. AND PERHAPS I DON'T KNOW IF THE TEAM HAS THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE INCENTIVES, WHAT THE INTERNAL TEAM, WHAT THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT AMENDMENT MADE. OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS POINT, AND THEN MAYBE A DIRECTION TO STAFF TO LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR A CITY CODE AMENDMENT? YES, WE MAY WANT GO AHEAD AND DO EACH ONE. AND THAT WAY. OKAY. SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, MISS TANYA. OKAY. LET'S SEE. NEXT IS FEE WAIVER WAIVERS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. EDUCATION. OKAY. THE RECOMMENDATION HERE JUST SAYS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. SO I THINK, DENISE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE INCENTIVE IS A IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL AGREEMENT, BUT NOT A WAIVER OF IMPACT FEES. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. OKAY. YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT INCENTIVE? YES, SIR. NOT A QUESTION, BUT I JUST FORWARDED THE EMAIL TO YOU, MR. CARTER. I GOT IT YESTERDAY. I WAS CATCHING UP ON EMAILS, BUT THE A HACK. THEY PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION TO GET FREE HELP FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. DID YOU GET THAT EMAIL TO FROM THEM? YES. OKAY, SO YOU ALREADY GOT IT. OKAY. I JUST SHOT THAT TO YOU, SO I WASN'T SURE. SO BECAUSE THAT KIND OF TIES INTO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW. SO YOU YES, WE WOULD. WE WERE LOOKING INTO WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO APPLY FOR THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO SELECT, I THINK, FOUR AND FOUR CITIES OR COUNTIES TO LOOK AT. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT US TO DO, THEN WE WILL PURSUE THAT. [00:10:02] OKAY. SO SORRY, I'M SPEAKING KIND OF VAGUE. SO I, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT MY SCREEN. MADAM CHAIR FROM A A SUPPORT INITIATIVE. AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION IS INVITING THOSE WHO SERVE ON THE AHAC COMMITTEE, LIKE MYSELF, OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ENCOURAGE THEIR STAFF TO APPLY. SO THAT WAY THEY CAN GET AN IN DEPTH ANALYSIS OF THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, HOUSING POLICIES, AND CURRENT INCENTIVE STRATEGIES. AND THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA. BUT THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO CHOOSE FOUR. BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH A SHOT. AT LEAST APPLY. YOU MISS 100% OF THE SHOTS YOU DON'T TAKE. SO JUST. YEAH. SO THAT'S ALL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. BUT SHE ALREADY GOT THE EMAIL. I WASN'T SURE SHE GOT THE EMAIL OR NOT. SO THAT IS A DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD WANT ME TO WANT US TO TO GO. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE END AFTER THE INCENTIVES OR. YEAH. SO ACTUALLY WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS RIGHT NOW. SO YEAH, MAYBE. YEAH I'M GETTING I'M JUMPING THE GUN. YOU'RE JUMPING AHEAD. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AT THE END. WE'LL COME BACK AT THE END. NO THAT'S OKAY. BEFORE BEFORE WE MOVE ON, MAYBE THAT IT HELPS TO CLARIFY THAT TWICE A YEAR PUBLIC OFFICIALS HAVE TO GET ON THE PHONE A PHONE CALL, AND THEY DO IT BY REGION. FLORIDA HOUSING REQUIRES THAT FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION REQUIRES THAT FOR SCHIP RECIPIENTS. IF WE DO, IF THE IF THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS DO NOT GET ON, WE LOSE OUR FUNDING. SO KENNY IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND HE HAD HE HAD COMMUNICATION AT THE LAST MEETING. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY AND SHE HAD TO REMIND ME. SO THANK YOU SHE SAID. OKAY. SO FOR THIS INCENTIVE FOR FEE WAIVERS, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANY COMMENTS OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED TO KEEP THE SAME. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR NO CHANGES TO THE INCENTIVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT I THINK WE'RE ON FLEXIBLE DENSITIES. YES FLEXIBLE DENSITIES. AND AGAIN THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND THAT INCENTIVE IS THAT THERE BASICALLY WAS ALREADY A PROCESS FOR FLEXIBLE DENSITIES UNDER THE PUD PROCESS. CORRECT. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT INCENTIVE? I'M HEARING NONE. DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT? APPROVE THAT INCENTIVE WITH NO CHANGES? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT WE HAVE RESERVATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY. YES. AND AGAIN THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND THAT ONE AGAIN WAS BECAUSE THERE PRETTY MUCH IS ALREADY A PROCESS IN PLACE TO RESERVE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY. ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THAT INCENTIVE? HEARING NONE. DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT WITH NO CHANGES? I'LL DO IT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. MORAN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? HI. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT WE HAVE AFFORDABLE ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL UNITS. I THINK MR. JOHNSON LIKES THIS ONE. YEAH. AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE A LOT. YEAH. THIS IS THE MOST THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST HIGHLY USED, ISN'T IT? YES, I WOULD SAY SO. ALL INCENTIVES. YES. BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE MOTHER IN LAW SUITE OR TINY HOME OR. YEAH, I REMEMBER US. SO THIS. SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS MOST WIDELY USED? I THINK SO, YEAH. THAT'S INTERESTING. ALL THE BUILDING PERMITS, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE REVIEWING THEM REGULARLY. SO I THINK THIS ONE PROBABLY WOULD BE THE THE TOP. THAT'S INTERESTING. AND WHAT'S CRAZY? ON YOUR LAST MEETING, WE BROUGHT THIS UP. ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN OTHER CITIES ARE STARTING TO CATCH ON A LITTLE LATER. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE CATCHING ON AS WELL. SO THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY WITH WHERE WE ARE STATEWIDE. IT'S GOING TO BE WELL, WELL ACCEPTED. I WOULD THINK SO. INTERESTING. YEAH. OKAY. DID WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ONE WITH NO CHANGES? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. IN TERMS OF THE ADUS, ARE THERE STATS TO REFLECT HOW THAT'S IMPACTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN PALM BAY? [00:15:05] IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S HIGHLY USED, WHAT ARE THE STATS IN TERMS OF THE NEXUS OF DECREASING OR INCREASING AFFORDABILITY? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GET? I DON'T THINK WE TRACK THAT. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO TRACKING FOR THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WRITTEN, A LOT OF THE TIME, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO LIVE IN ONE OR THE OTHER, AND THEN THEY CAN RENT OUT THE THE ACCESSORY UNIT. OR THEY COULD RENT OUT THE HOME IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE THEIR LIVING SITUATION AFFORDABLE. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCES. RIGHT. THE NUMBER OF ATOMS THAT ARE. IS YOUR MIC ON? IT? IS. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF ATOMS THAT ARE WITHIN OR REQUESTED WITHIN PALM BAY, AND THEN ITS IMPACT ON AFFORDABILITY, IF YOU WILL, SO EXISTING AND REQUESTED OR JUST IF WE'RE GOING FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO HAVE A NUMBER OF ADU PERMITS THAT WERE REQUESTED AND OR AND APPROVED FOR THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN THE STATS, WE CAN MEASURE THAT AGAINST THE IMPACT ON AFFORDABILITY WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I NEED TO WRITE THAT QUESTION, THAT QUESTION DOWN BECAUSE I PUT THAT IN HERE. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. THE SPACE TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. NOPE. GO RIGHT AHEAD. WE DIDN'T VOTE YET. YOU'RE GOOD. WE NEED TO GET THAT. IS YOUR MIC ON YOUR MICROPHONE? MENTIONED WHEN WE CAME ACROSS THIS ITEM. PREVIOUSLY, WHETHER OR NOT BUILDING CODES WERE GOING TO BE MODIFIED OR UPGRADED TO INCLUDE REPURPOSING OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY STURDY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION. HURRICANE PROOF, FIRE PROOF, EARTHQUAKE PROOF, YOU NAME IT. AND VERY AFFORDABLE. AND OUR BUILDING CODES DID NOT REALLY ACCOMMODATE THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. PREVIOUSLY. AND SO IS THERE ANY UP UPGRADING UPSCALING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, DENISE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD GET WITH THAT OTHER DATA AT THE SAME TIME? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SHIPPING SHIPPING CONTAINER. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. IT WAS LAST YEAR WHEN WE LOOKED AT. YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THAT KIND OF NEW CONCEPT IN THE MARKET. BUT I THINK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ADVISED US WAS THE CODE DOESN'T CURRENTLY ALLOW THAT. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN PALM BAY. SO WHAT SHE'S ASKING IS HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK OF AMENDING THAT SECTION OF CODE OR LIKE, LIKE COULD WE GET AN UPDATE JUST ON THE SHIPPING CONTAINER. AND IF IT'S NOT HAPPENING, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND YEAH, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE STEPS IF WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND THAT. I THINK THE SHIPPING CONTAINER. SO IF YOU TALK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN AMEND. THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO TYPICALLY WHEN PEOPLE INQUIRE ABOUT USING A SHIPPING CONTAINER AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, WE HAVE TO REFER THEM TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND I GENERALLY LIKE TO TELL THEM, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME ENGINEERING THAT SHOWS THAT THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER IS GOING TO BE TIED DOWN AND MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE HAD EXAMPLES FROM OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE WHERE IT WAS BEING USED. SO IT IT COULD BE DONE. I THINK IT WAS A PALM BAY CITY CODE ISSUE, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY. SO MAYBE IF JUST FOR NEXT MEETING OR AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT OR SOMETHING, IF WE COULD JUST GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. DOES THAT WORK SINCE WE MET REGARDING THIS? MANY COUNTIES HAVE UPGRADED THEIR CODES TO INCLUDE REPURPOSING OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS. AND YOU'LL YOU'LL FIND THEM THROUGHOUT THE STATE AT THIS POINT. WE ARE BEHIND IT RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I'LL ASK FLORIDA HOUSING AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE STATE. YEAH OKAY. OKAY OKAY. DO WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS INCENTIVE WITH NO AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE CODES CONSIDERED OR AMENDED TO INCLUDE THAT POSSIBILITY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME? OKAY I CAN I'LL BE A I'LL MOVE IT. SHE SAID SHE'LL MAKE A MOTION. SHE'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER OR FIND OUT HOW TO GET CODES ADAPTED FOR THE USE OF REPURPOSING SHIPPING CONTAINERS. [00:20:07] SECOND, CAN JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, FOR DISCUSSION, FOR THE PROCESS OF APPROVING THE INCENTIVES. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO BE IN THE MOTION? I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION WHERE WE'VE APPROVED AN INCENTIVE THAT THAT WE CAN'T DO. YEAH. AND THEN ALSO THIS HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL, RIGHT. ON THE 22ND OF DECEMBER BECAUSE ALL OF THE INCENTIVES HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND SUBMITTED TO FLORIDA HOUSING BY DECEMBER 31ST. SO IS CAN CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO US TO GET THE RESEARCH FIRST ON THAT? AND IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A QUORUM PART OF DISCUSSION AS WELL. THAT WOULD REQUIRE QUORUM FOR US TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON THE AMENDED QUORUM. OH, YES. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON THAT ONE INCENTIVE. WELL, WE IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BOARD MEETING ANYWAY. WE HAVE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME OTHER THINGS. OKAY. ON THAT. THE CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT. I DON'T MIND MAKING IT JUST DURING THE RESEARCH FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT BE AN ENTIRE YEAR BEFORE WE SEE OR VISIT THIS AGAIN. SO BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A YEAR NOW AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED. SO COULD IT BE THAT WE APPROVE THIS AS IS WITH THE GIVING STAFF THE DIRECTION TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AT THE NEXT MEETING? WOULD THAT WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TIME OR WOULD YOU. OKAY. YES. OR. WOULD TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. BUT DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL USES OR SOMETHING. DO YOU HAVE ANY LANGUAGE MAYBE THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? WELL, RIGHT NOW GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS GOING THROUGH PHASE TWO OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT UPDATES, WHICH WERE PUT ON HOLD FOR OUR DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR WHEN MANAGEMENT CHANGED. SO WE'RE PICKING THAT UP NOW AND REVIEWING ALL OF OUR CODES. I THINK THE TIMELINE IS GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT COMPLETE BY JANUARY 15TH. BUT THE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING NOW IS EXTENSIVE. SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD IT TO THE LIST, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHEN THAT CODE WILL BE UPDATED. OKAY. I DO AGREE WITH OUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBER HERE, THOUGH, THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH A YEAR AGO, SO I KIND OF WANT TO SEE IT ADDRESSED, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS ENOUGH ABILITY TO SUBMIT YOUR REPORT AND HAVE YOUR INCENTIVES AND NOT HOLD YOU UP IN THE PROCESS. SO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. WELL, I CAN'T WE TAKE THE POSITION? WE'LL GO BACK, WE'LL RESEARCH IT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. BUT GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS. OKAY. NOW AND THEN, THAT WAY WE WE HAVE THE RESEARCH. IF WE CAN ADD IT, WE WILL. BUT THEN WE'LL TELL YOU WHERE WE STAND BETWEEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE IS THAT. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE INFORMATION? BUT WE WILL DO OUR HOMEWORK. WELL WHY DIDN'T WE GET THE RESEARCH FROM LAST YEAR? I KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. I'M WITH YOU. POINT OF DISCUSSION. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK AND GET THE RESEARCH AND BRING IT BACK TO US, AND THERE'S THE THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS COULD BE ADDED TO THIS INCENTIVE. WE WOULD THEN LOSE THAT WINDOW TO ADD IT. SO THAT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE OF THE INCENTIVES, IF YOU WILL. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS A FEASIBLE OPTION HOLISTICALLY, I THINK WELL A MOTION I WOULD MOTION TO TABLE THIS INCENTIVE. ARE WE ABLE TO TABLE AN INCENTIVE THOUGH. BECAUSE HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SUBMIT THE REPORT WITH A TABLE INCENTIVE. WE CAN'T. IT'S REQUIRED. EVERY EVERY INCENTIVE HERE IS REQUIRED FOR US. SO WE EITHER HAVE TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING INCENTIVE OR MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IT. MIKE, WHEN DID YOU SAY THIS WAS DUE? DECEMBER 15TH. IT'S DUE BY DECEMBER 31ST, DECEMBER 30TH. COUNCIL OKAY. AT THE ON THE 22ND, BECAUSE IT'S SHIPPING. COUNCIL. IF SHIPPING CONTAINERS REQUIRES A CODE AMENDMENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING THROUGH P AND Z BOARD. LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MAKE IT NOT. SO I, I DON'T EVEN IF THEY DO THE RESEARCH, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS. [00:25:04] IF THEY DO DECIDE THAT THAT IS A FEASIBLE OPTION TO GET IT THROUGH THE CODE PROCESS. BUT AT THAT POINT YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR'S AHAC REPORT. RIGHT. SO. SO THERE REALLY IS NOT A WAY TO IMPLEMENT ANYTHING REGARDING TO SHIPPING CONTAINERS BEFORE NEXT YEAR. SO WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE MISSED THE RIGHT. SO I CONCUR WITH DOWN HERE THOUGH THAT WE TOOK BUT SORRY DON'T WANT TO BEAT IT TO DEATH. COULD COULD IT JUST BE INCLUDED THE SAME WAY. SO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS YOU KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL VIA ORDINANCE. COULD THIS BE DONE THE SAME WAY? ONCE THE RESEARCH IS DONE? IT COULD BE IT'S STILL JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. YOU GUYS STILL COULD MAKE THE CHANGE. IT JUST CAN'T GO IN THE AHAC. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT IT WOULDN'T BE AN ADOPTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVE STRATEGY UNTIL NEXT YEAR THE NEXT TIME WE REVIEW THE PLAN. SO I DON'T THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT IN THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THESE INCENTIVES, BUT WE'VE DIRECTED STAFF TO TO RESEARCH ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES, LIKE WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TO KIND OF MEMORIALIZE IT IN THE PLAN AND THEN. YES. AND WE CAN PUT THAT IN OUR COMMENTS. CORRECT. IN OTHER WORDS, CREATE THE SHIPPING CONTAINER AS AN ALTERNATIVE. AND OF COURSE THERE HAVE TO BE CODE DEVELOPED BEHIND THAT. YES. BUT TO INCLUDE IT IN HERE IS A POSSIBILITY. CORRECT? YES. GIVE THEM ALL THE TIME THEY NEED TO DEVELOP THE CODES FOR IT. AND MAYBE IT'S. MAYBE IT'S NOT. I DON'T WANT TO TAILOR IT LIKE JUST THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS. MAYBE THERE'S OTHER. YEAH. MAYBE THERE'S OTHER. OTHER. SO WHATEVER. WHATEVER LANGUAGE THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO GIVE YOU GUYS THAT FLEXIBILITY. OKAY. DOES THAT WORK. WE PUT THAT IN OUR COMMENTS IN THE COMMENTS SECTION. THEN COMMENTS DON'T TEND TO CARRY VERY MUCH WEIGHT. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, SAYS AHAC. COMMENTS. YEAH. SO I PUT THAT I'M THINKING THE RECOMMENDATION NEEDS TO INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT DIRECTION TO STAFF TO RESEARCH ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND THEN THE COMMENTS TO PURSUE CODE CHANGES RELATED TO SHIPPING CONTAINERS IF POSSIBLE OR OR SOMETHING. I'M SURE YOU CAN WORDSMITH IT FOR US. DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? YES, AS AN ALTERNATIVE. OKAY. AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE MOTION WAS ON MOTION IN THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. DO YOU REMEMBER RODNEY? IT WAS TO YOUR MOTION. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. YOU MAY REMEMBER, I THINK I THINK SHE MADE THE MOTION WAS WAS NOT TO INCLUDE IT. AND I WAS GOING TO END UP VOTING NO. OKAY. IF THEY INCLUDE IT AND THEN GO DO THEIR HOMEWORK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? I'LL PULL MY SECOND. YEAH, I THINK YOU NEED TO. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS SINCE THE MOTION WAS MADE. YES. SO DO YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE AS AN ALTERNATIVE UNDER THE SECTION THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ON FLEXIBLE. NO, IT'S NOT FLEXIBLE. IT'S ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL UNIT. YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. INCLUDE SHIPPING, REPURPOSING OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS AN ALTERNATIVE. SECOND. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, I VOTE AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. YES, SIR. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. TURN YOUR MIC ON. THIS ACCESSORY, THIS THIS REALLY JUST APPLIES IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOCATION. CORRECT? IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IN ANY REGULAR PLATTED SUBDIVISION. IT JUST WOULD BE APPLICABLE IN AFFORDABLE. CORRECT? WELL, NO, IT'S IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. RESIDENTIAL ZONING. ANY. RESIDENTIAL ZONING. OKAY. NOW HOW WILL HOW WOULD. WHAT'S THE DEAL IF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IN A SUBDIVISION. DON'T ALLOW THAT SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT ACCESSORY USES AREN'T ALLOWED. WHAT WHAT WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT, RODNEY. SO THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF IT'S IF YOU HAVE CCNRS THAT SAY THAT ACCESSORY DWELLINGS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER, THEN THIS DOESN'T APPLY IF YOU READ THE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN THE CODE, IT KIND OF DELINEATES. SO IT'S GOT TO BE PRETTY MUCH A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE IN A NORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN HAVE A AN ACCESSORY DWELLING, BUT IT CAN ONLY BE 50% OF THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL DWELLING. [00:30:07] SO THERE ARE PERIMETERS IN IT THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS CONSIDERED A ACCESSORY DWELLING SIZE, PARKING, ALL OF THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS CCNRS, THEN THE CORNERS ARE GOING TO. SO, SO LIKE WHERE I LIVE IN THE TURKEY CREEK SUBDIVISION OUR, OUR COVENANTS WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS. CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD PREVAIL. CORRECT. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. I JUST SORT OF WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU RODNEY. APPRECIATE IT. I THINK THAT GOES TO BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT TINY HOMES. I THINK YOU YOU. YEAH, YEAH. SO YEARS AGO WE STARTED WITH TINY HOMES. SO THAT WAS ONE OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT WE GOT FROM RESIDENTS WERE, IF I'M IN A REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU PLOP A TINY HOME BESIDE MY 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT IMPACT ME AS A HOMEOWNER AS AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS? SO WE TALKED ABOUT THEN WITH WITH THOSE MAKING THEM THEIR OWN LITTLE PUD SO THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD OF TINY HOMES. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WOULD GET WITH THAT SITUATION AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. PARKING. PARKING SETBACKS. HENRY'S FAVORITE. SO WE DO ALLOW FOR PARKING RATE ADJUSTMENTS. AND THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. ANY COMMENTS ON PARKING? OKAY, I'M HEARING NONE. DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THAT INCENTIVE? SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT WE'RE ON FLEXIBLE LOT CONFIGURATIONS. AND AGAIN THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I'M HEARING NONE. DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. NOW WE'RE ON MODIFICATION OF STREET REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN. THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION REQUESTED OR RECOMMENDED ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? HEARING NONE. DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? SO MOVED. MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NOW WE'RE ON ONGOING REVIEW. AND FOR ONGOING REVIEW. IT LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS THIS INCENTIVE WAS REVIEWED. BUT THERE IS NO NEW RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME. I SEE JUST A COUPLE OF UPDATES IN IT. ALSO. I WAS GOING TO COMMENT. I KNOW TANYA WAS SAYING NUMBER SEVEN NEEDED TO BE TO BE CLARIFIED. IT REALLY IS CLARIFIED IN THE ENTRANCE IN, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH WHERE CITY STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW ALL POLICIES, PROCEDURES, ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS AND PLAN PLAN PROVISIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT EFFECTS, IF ANY, THEY MAY HAVE ON THE COST OF PRODUCING AFFORDABLE UNITS PRIOR TO THEIR PASSAGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT. WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COME BACK TO THE BOARD ON EVEN WITH WHEN THEY'RE UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THERE ARE CHANGES, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS RECEIVES CONSULTATION. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YOU SAID SHE WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN. YEAH. SHE SHE WHAT'S WAS NUMBER SEVEN ON ON THE NEXT. OH OKAY. NEVER MIND. ALRIGHT. IT'S ON THE WHAT'S NUMBER SEVEN. [00:35:01] ALRIGHT. I'M SORRY, I WAS THE NEXT PAGE OVER. I'M SORRY. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT INCENTIVE? HEARING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT ONE. SO MOVED A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT WE'RE ON PUBLIC LAND INVENTORY. OKAY. AND THE RECOMMENDATION AGAIN IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND THIS LIST IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE. RIGHT. YES. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS ON THIS INCENTIVE? HEARING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE IN THAT MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT WE HAVE SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT NEAR TRANSPORTATION HUBS. AND AGAIN THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS INCENTIVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND I THINK THIS ONE, WE WE DIDN'T HAVE A HUB THAT MET THIS DEFINITION. RIGHT. SO. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? COULD I GUESS. YES, SIR. YEAH. COULD CDBG FUNDING GO TOWARDS ESTABLISHING A NEW BUS STOP OR BUS ROUTE, NOT THE ROUTES, BUT WE'VE PUT IN THE BUS AND I KNOW WE DID THE TICKETS OR THE VOUCHERS, BUT BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACES FOR WELL, WE WOULDN'T ESTABLISH THEM SCATS WOULD THEY WOULD ESTABLISH IT, BUT WE COULD PUT THE BENCHES AND STUFF, LIKE WE COULD FUND A SHELTER. RIGHT. LIKE A COVERED BUS SHELTER. OKAY. YEAH. WORKED ON THOSE PROJECTS. OKAY. WHERE WE FUND THOSE, BUT SCATS DECIDES WHERE THEY GO. OKAY. IS THERE A PLACE THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH? THEY CAN WORK WITH THE WHO'S THAT TRANSPORTATION PERSON HERE IN IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT, IT WOULD BE DEBBIE. DEBBIE FLYNN. SO DEBBIE FLYNN OKAY. I JUST OVER THE PAST MONTH OR SO, I'VE BEEN REALLY JUST DOING A DEEP DIVE IN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD AND JUST NOT JUST FLORIDA, BUT THE WHOLE NATION'S BEHIND WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE START. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE START, BUT THAT'S JUST I WAS JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO. SO THAT'S ALL. YEAH. WE CAN PUT THE BENCHES IF THE AREA IS LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. OKAY. IS MELBOURNE DID ONE ON UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD DIDN'T WE. IN UNIVERSITY. PINEAPPLE. YEAH. IN FRONT OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. SENIOR COMPLEX. YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK A CAR LIKE RIGHT AFTER IT GOT FINISHED. RIGHT. DIDN'T A CAR CRASH. YEAH. IT WAS GORGEOUS. AND THEN SOMEBODY RAN IT OVER, SO IT GOT FIXED. BUT. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD THING. I HAD MENTIONED A FEW TIMES. CAN WE GET SOME OF OUR BUSINESS PEOPLE TO PUT SOME OF THESE? IRISH IS ONE OF THE MAIN ONE. I THINK THEY NEED A BIG ONE ON PALM BAY ROAD. YOU KNOW BACK HOME. WE GET ALL THE COMPANIES, ALL THE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS AND COMPANIES THAT PUT UP A NICE SHED. RIGHT BY THEIR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW BURGER KING, ANY ONE OF THESE AND YOU KNOW IT'S FLORIDA ALL OVER. SO WE NEED, YOU KNOW, SHELTER AT THE BUS STOPS. ALL THE BUS STOPS NEED SHELTER PRETTY MUCH. IF IT'S NOT RAIN IT'S TOO HOT. OKAY. SO I JUST WOULDN'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT OUR DIRECTIVE IS SO I WOULD I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS INCENTIVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THESE TRANSPORTATION HUBS. BUT I WOULD SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE CDBG FUNDING AND PUBLIC FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, IF IF WE COULD TALK WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION FOLKS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BUSSES AND THEY'VE PROBABLY ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR THIS YEAR, RIGHT. THEY'VE ALREADY ACTUALLY WE WE'RE GOING THROUGH FUNDING NOW, BUT IT'S INTERNAL. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, THAT MAY FALL. AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE OF THE ADA IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT SOMETIMES MAKES THOSE THE PRICE KIND OF SKYROCKET IS BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY NOT JUST A SHELTER THAT CAN BE PUT UP, BUT IF IF THERE'S SOME AREAS OR IF YOU'RE AWARE OF AREAS THAT MAYBE WOULD LIKE A SPECIFIC LOCATION. [00:40:03] I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SHELTERS DOWN MALABAR ROAD. YEAH. AND I'M ALSO THINKING THERE'S JUST STANDING OUTSIDE THERE, JUST STANDING OUTSIDE. YOU'RE GOING BACK THAT WAY. YEAH. THEY'RE JUST STANDING OUTSIDE IN THE HEAT AND THE RAIN. YEAH. YEAH. AND YEAH. WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT AND I GUESS WE CAN GET WITH DEBBIE WOULD ALSO BE WHAT'S LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, BECAUSE WHAT'S INTERESTING IN PALM BAY IS THAT THEY'RE NOT A LOT OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS. YEAH. JUST NORTHEAST. YEAH. NORTHEAST PALM BAY COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THERE ARE POCKETS, A FEW POCKETS, BUT THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS. OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE GETTING THROUGH OUR CDBG FUNDING. BUT I WOULD SAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR INCENTIVE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CHANGES BECAUSE WE DON'T FIT THE CRITERIA FOR THIS TRANSPORTATION HUB. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ONE THEN? SO MOVED. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE. I VOTE AYE, AND THAT MOTION PASSES. THAT'S ALL OF THEM. CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND THEN THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL. DID YOU SAY. OH DECEMBER 22ND. OKAY. OH YOU GUYS MEET ON DECEMBER 22ND. OH, THAT'S A WEEK OF CHRISTMAS, MR. JOHNSON. ALRIGHT. NEXT. I'M SORRY, I DIGRESS. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HUD PROGRAM NONCOMPLIANCE AND TIMELY EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS. [NEW BUSINESS] MISS CARTER, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE? YES. I INCLUDED THE LETTER BECAUSE I WANTED THE THE. WE WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE OF WHAT STAFF IS HAVING TO WORK ON. AND BECAUSE WE WILL BE GIVING YOU THOSE UPDATES IN OUR INFORMATION REPORT. SO WE DID SUBMIT A LETTER. IT WAS DOING THE, THE HUD CLOSURE ALONG WITH OUR PLAN, A WORK PLAN AND SEVERAL SPREADSHEETS. AND WHAT WE GAVE TO THEM WAS HERE'S WHAT WE PLAN TO SPEND. AND WE'RE NOW HAVING TO REPORT EVERY QUARTER AND LET ME GO BACK AND EXPLAIN. SO WE WE TWO YEARS AGO THE STAFF THAT WERE THAT WAS WORKING FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME IN THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SUBMITTED TO HUD A PLAN TO TRANSFER NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM MONIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM MONIES CAME ABOUT WHEN HUD WAS TRYING TO HELP WITH FORECLOSURES IN CITIES AND COUNTIES, HAD A LOT OF FORECLOSURES AROUND THE COUNTRY. SO THEN THOSE MONIES WOULD COME, CAME BACK TO THE CITY IN THE FORM OF WHEN PEOPLE SOLD THEIR HOUSES, THEY HAD TO PAY BACK A LOT OF MONEY BACK TO THE CITY IF THEY SOLD THEM BEFORE THE TIME WAS UP THAT THEY HAD ON THEY WERE HELPED TO GET A HOME FOR FREE, AND THEN THEY HAD TO STAY IN THOSE HOMES. WELL, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DIDN'T STAY AND THEY LEFT. SO WHEN THE WHEN THEY SOLD THOSE HOUSES, THAT MONEY CAME BACK TO THE CITY. WELL, WHEN IT CAME BACK TO THE CITY, IT CAME BACK TO THE CITY AND WHAT WE CALL INCOME PROGRAM INCOME. AND SO THE CITY HAD MONEY THAT CAME BACK WHEN PEOPLE SOLD THEIR HOUSES, IN FACT, THE VETERANS HOMES, THAT WAS THAT RODNEY WORKED ON. I KNOW I READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER. THEN WE ALL READ ABOUT IT WAS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WAS SOLD, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO WHEN THOSE MONIES CAME BACK, THEY CAME BACK AS INCOME. WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY NOW WITH THAT INCOME, AND IT'S A LITTLE OVER $674,000 THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR SIDEWALKS. IN FACT, ONE WAS GOING TO BE IN RODNEY'S NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT NO LONGER QUALIFIES. RIGHT? SO AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. INCOME, THE INCOME LIMITS HAVE REALLY CHANGED, AND NEIGHBORHOODS NO LONGER QUALIFY. SO WITH THAT, THE MONEY WAS PUT IN THE CITY'S LETTER OF CREDIT, WHICH MEANS THAT IT NOW GOES AGAINST OUR CDBG FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S SAYING THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS MONEY. BUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WAS HUD APPROVED IT, THE SIDEWALKS AND THE TRANSFER. AND THEN SOMEONE STEPPED IN AND SAID NO. AND WHEN THEY STEPPED IN AND SAID NO, THE MONEY WAS ALREADY TRANSFERRED. [00:45:04] OKAY. AND WHEN THE MONEY WAS ALREADY TRANSFERRED, IT INCREASED OUR BALANCE OF WHAT WE HAVE. AND IT'S SITTING THERE. AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE IN LIMBO AND HAS NEVER BEEN WORKED OUT. OKAY. SO WHAT WE DID WAS OUR HUD REP SAID, OKAY WELL, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO LAST YEAR WAS SPEND THE MONEY, JUST SPEND AS MUCH AS WE COULD, AND WE MISSED IT BY AND $88,000. SO IT WAS VERY CLOSE. SO THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO GET THIS PROGRAM INCOME, MONEY SPENT AND YOU BUT YOU HAVE TO CLEAR IT UP FIRST. SO WHAT WE DID DURING THE SHUTDOWN WE SUBMITTED TO THEM A LETTER SAYING, HERE'S OUR BALANCE. AND, AND WE HAD 1,350,000, $35.48. OUR NEW ALLOCATION IS $814,260. AND SO WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN OUR LETTER OF CREDIT NOW $2,164,295.48. AND SO WHAT I WROTE TO THEM AND SAID WAS ANY PROJECTS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WHEN WE CLOSE OUT AT THE END OF DECEMBER, AFTER WE DO OUR OUR CAPER REPORT, THEN WE WILL LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN TRANSFER THOSE MONIES. SO WE'LL DO A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT. THEN I ALSO SAID TO THEM, WE, WE, WE GAVE THEM A SCHEDULE. AND WE SAID TO ALL OF OUR NONPROFITS, YOU HAVE TO SPEND YOUR MONEY BY BETWEEN OCTOBER AND JUNE BECAUSE OUR DEADLINE FOR HUD WILL BE JULY 31ST, JULY 31ST. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CITY AND SAY, HAVE YOU SPENT. AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO SPEND IS $1,221,390. HAVE YOU SPENT THAT? IF WE DON'T SPEND IT, THEY ARE THEY HAVE TOLD US THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT THIS TIME. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE CITY. SO WE PUT ON NOTICE ALL OF. WE MET WITH OUR NONPROFITS LAST WEEK. WE PUT THEM ON NOTICE. HERE'S YOUR TIME. TIME FRAME THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY BETWEEN OCTOBER AND JUNE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE WANT TO RECEIVE FROM YOU IS A BILL. THE LAST BILL IN JULY, SO THAT WE CAN DRAW THAT DOWN. WE TALKED WITH PARKS AND REC BECAUSE MANY OF THE PROJECTS ON THE PARKS AND AND ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING ON WITH AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND THAT, THAT IF THAT PROJECT HAS TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL PHASE TWO DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S VICTORIA PARK, MANY OF YOU ALL MAY KNOW VICTORIA PARK. THAT USED TO BE A TRAILER PARK. OKAY. AND AROUND THAT IS A AUTO SOME TYPE OF AUTO SHOP. AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER THERE'S ANY CONTAMINATION. IT COULD HAVE CONTAMINATION. SO IF THAT IS THE CASE WE WILL SWITCH THAT PROJECT AND WE'LL WE'LL SWITCH IT TO ANOTHER PARK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TO WASTE. WE HAVE TO STAY ON SCHEDULE. SO WHAT WE DID IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN HUD WAS CLOSED, WE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING TO THEM. I KNOW THEY RECEIVED IT. BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR SENT ME AN EMAIL SAYING THANK YOU, I RECEIVED IT. THEY'RE REVIEWING IT RIGHT NOW. AND AS SOON AS THEY APPROVE IT WE ALSO PUT IN THE PACKET OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION FORMS. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT ON THAT, THE CONSULTANT THAT ACTUALLY TRAINS THE HUD PEOPLE. SO HE'S TRYING TO HELP US. THERE WERE FILES, I GUESS, WHEN THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE, THEY CAME IN, THEY THEY THREW FILES EVERYWHERE. AND SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS WE HIRED A AND WE HIRED AN EMPLOYEE THAT HAD HUD EXPERIENCE THAT HAD EXPERIENCE TO HELP US. SO SHE CAME IN AND HELPED US. SHE'S HELPING US WITH THE SHIP PROGRAM, AND SHE'S HELPING US WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAD NOT HAPPENED IN, IN, IN THE PAST. SO WE HAD WE DID NOT HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON WORKING ON RESOLVING THIS ISSUE. SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS MOVE FORWARD AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO WORK, AND WE PUT EVERYBODY ON NOTICE. AND IF THEY DON'T COMPLY, THEN WE'RE SENDING THEM EMAILS BECAUSE WE WE HAVE TO SUCCEED. [00:50:08] SO WHAT WE DID WAS OUR GOAL IS MUCH MORE MUCH HIGHER FOR EXPANDING SO THAT WE WILL HIT OUR TARGET. YOU KNOW AND HUD HAS MADE US LOOK AT OUR TARGET. SO WE HAD THREE STAFF PEOPLE. WE'VE ALL GONE THROUGH OUR TRAINING THAT THEY REQUIRED US TO DO. WE SIGNED OUR PAPERWORK THAT WE DID IT WHEN WE DID IT. I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO THROUGH TIMELY EXPERIENCES. IN MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF MELBOURNE. SO WE KNOW HOW WE HAVE TO DO IT AND HOW WE HAVE TO GET THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON HUD, THOUGH, TO APPROVE OUR PLAN AND SAY THEY APPROVE. THEY APPROVE OUR WORK PLAN, AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT WE DID WAS WE ALREADY HAD OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST YEAR WAS SOME OF THE AGENCIES THAT WE FUNDED AND SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGED US. SO THEY ARE NOW HAVING TO GET A CHANCE TO APPLY AGAIN. THE QUESTION WAS WITH COUNCIL. WHEN WERE YOU, WHEN WERE YOU? PUT AN RFP OUT FOR THE PROGRAM INCOME FUNDS. AND SO WE PUT IT OUT. IT'S CLOSED. WE RECEIVED APPLICATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO PROCESS THOSE, AND WE'RE WAITING FOR HUD TO SAY THEY APPROVED THAT TRANSFER OF THAT MONEY. SO WE HAD TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT APPLIED. HUD HAS NOT APPROVED THE TRANSFER OF THE MONEY YET. SO BUT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE COULDN'T WE COULDN'T STOP WHILE THEY WERE CLOSED. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. TWO QUESTIONS FOR ME. SO THE THE NSP FUNDING, WASN'T THAT ON HOLD DURING THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS WERE GOING THROUGH THE AUDIT AND THE CLOSEOUT PROCESS? AND THEN ONCE THAT WAS COMPLETED, THEN THOSE FUNDS WERE RELEASED. IT WASN'T THAT WHAT HAPPENED OR. NO. NO. AND SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THE OTHER STAFF MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT BETTER. I WASN'T HERE THEN. ALL I KNOW IS THAT WHEN I CAME ON BOARD WITH THE, THEY HAD ALREADY NOT APPROVED IT, AND AND IT WAS IN LIMBO, BUT WE HAD TO STRAIGHTEN UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION FILES AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. AND SO FINALLY BEFORE JOAN LEFT, SHE SAID, WE'VE GOT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT. YEAH. AND WE SAID, WHY NOT HIRE THE CONSULTANT THAT ACTUALLY TRAINS THE HUD REPS? SO IT'S AMAZING. WHEN WE'RE ON THE PHONE WITH WITH HUD TALKING TO THEM, THEY HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR THIS PERSON BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL THE RESPECT THAT THEY HAVE FOR HIM. SO HE'S ANSWERED QUESTIONS. I KNOW HE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE FORM THAT I WAS SENDING IN, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING THE NUMBERS. SO I KNOW THOSE ARE CHANGES THAT WERE NOT MADE BEFORE. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER AS MUCH AS WE CAN FILES THAT WERE NOBODY KNEW WHERE THEY WERE, YOU KNOW. SO BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED ALSO IS THAT HUD HAS MADE THE THE GUYS MADE US AWARE OF OTHER MONEY THAT WAS SITTING ON THE OTHER HUD SIDE. THAT'S NOT IN OUR BUDGET SIDE. SO WE'VE GOT TO GET STUFF STRAIGHT. YEAH. THAT PROGRAM IS REALLY TAKING A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF WORK TO, TO CLEAN UP. I JUST FEEL LIKE I RECALL A STAFF REPORT TO THIS BOARD BEING MADE THAT THEY HAD COME IN AND AUDITED, AND YOU GUYS HAD FINALLY PASSED THE CLOSEOUT, AND THEY WERE GOING TO RELEASE THE PHONE LIKE SOME TIME AGO. WAS IT SIPPY? BECAUSE I REMEMBER JUST SAYING, LIKE, I KNOW THAT THAT HAS TAKEN YOU GUYS SO LONG AND CONGRATULATIONS THAT WE FINALLY. BUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT REALLY IT STOPPED KIND OF DIDN'T THEY APPROVED IT. AND SO THEY PROBABLY CAME HERE AND SAID THEY APPROVED IT. AND THEN THEY TOOK IT BACK. AND THEN THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T APPROVE THE TRANSFER. A NEW PERSON TOOK OVER AND HE DISAPPROVED IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S AND WHEN HE DISAPPROVED IT, IT HAS BEEN SITTING THE MONEY HAS BEEN SITTING IN LIMBO, OKAY. BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL SOMEBODY CLEANED IT UP. YEAH. AND SO JONES SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO GET ON THE NSP SIDE. [00:55:03] AND THEN NOW WE HAVE TO TRANSFER THAT MONEY TO CDBG, AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY HUD, THAT TRANSFER. AND THEN WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY. AND SO WE'RE WHEN WE SUBMIT IT, WE SUBMIT IT TO OUR WORK PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH CDBG. WE SUBMITTED THE TRANSFER PAPERS. WE SUBMITTED ALL OF THAT TO THEM, ALONG WITH OUR PLAN FOR SPENDING THAT MONEY. AND WE HOPE THAT ALL OF THAT WILL BE APPROVED. SO AND THEN THAT THAT DEADLINE FOR TIMELY EXPENDITURE IS THAT DOES THAT CLOCK START FROM THE TIME THAT THEY APPROVE THE TRANSFER OR IT'S FROM THE TIME THAT THE MONEY WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED. BUT IT'S BEEN ON HOLD. NO, IT'S FROM THE TRANSFER OKAY OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT LIKE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AS IF THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TO NOT OKAY. NOT NOT DO THAT. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE IT'S IT, I MEAN, THE SPREADSHEETS THAT THE STAFF I APPLAUD ALAINA AND AND CARMEN THEY WORK WITH ME ON IT AND THE, THE SPREADSHEETS AND THEN SITTING DOWN IN MEETINGS WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH NONPROFITS, WITH PARKS AND REC, WITH ANY CITY STAFF THAT WILL HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REACH THE GOAL. SO IF WITH YOUR WORK PLAN AND THE FUNDING REQUEST THAT THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ARE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENT LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE SUBMITTED. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND BUT WE MADE IT REALISTIC. I MEAN, I CAN'T HAVE HYPOTHETICALS. YEAH. WE HAVE TO REACH THE GOAL. AND I'M VERY GOAL ORIENTED. YEAH. SO SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE WHEN WE SAT DOWN WITH THEM, WE TOLD THEM NO HYPOTHETICALS. WE HAVE TO HAVE. IT HAS TO BE REALISTIC. AND YOU HAVE TO STAY WITH THIS AND IT HAS TO BE YOUR PRIORITY. YEAH. IF YOU IF IT'S NOT YOUR PRIORITY, THEN DON'T TAKE THEN THEN SAY YOU DON'T WANT THIS MONEY. YEAH. AND THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN, WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR. OKAY. WE ARE ONLY TAKING GROUPS THAT AND WE'RE MAKING THEM PUT SCHEDULES IN. OH FOR SURE. OH, BECAUSE WE YOU HAVE TO REACH THIS GOAL. SO HOPEFULLY IT'S VERY CLEAR. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK WE DID HAVE SOME PARK PROJECTS THAT THEY SUBMITTED THAT WE DIDN'T END UP APPROVING. RIGHT. SO ARE THERE OTHER PROJECTS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE SUBSTITUTED, LIKE IF THAT ONE THAT IS REQUIRING THE PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL DOESN'T WORK OUT? IS THERE ANOTHER PARK PROJECT THAT COULD BE SUBBED IN THAT'S MAYBE SHOVEL READY? YES, I AM, I WHAT WE DID WHEN I CAME ON BOARD WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CHANGED WAS WE DO MORE LIKE A MASTER PLAN FOR EACH EACH PARK THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FUND. ENVIRONMENTALS. SO IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IS ALREADY CLEARED. YOU CAN DO IT BY PHASING IT. OKAY. AND SO THAT HAS HELPED SO THAT IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO ANOTHER PROJECT, THEN PARKS CAN PICK OUT ANOTHER PROJECT AND IT'S ALREADY THE ENVIRONMENTALS. THE ENVIRONMENTALS TAKE THE COMPANY WE'RE WORKING WITH TAKES 120 DAYS A LONG TIME, AND, AND IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY US LONGER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE STAFF. YEAH. CAPACITY TO JUST DEVOTE IT TO THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH VERY OUR STAFF IS SMALLER HERE THAN IT IS AT MELBOURNE. OKAY. YEAH. AND WE HAVE A LOT MORE MONEY. YES. SO THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE WORK. SO CAN WE FUND ANOTHER PERSON LIKE. I DIDN'T SHE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF, RODNEY. THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. WE HAVE A LOT MORE MONEY TO WEAR HERE OR IN. NO, NO, NO, SHE PALM BAY GETS MORE MONEY THAN MELBOURNE. YEAH, A LOT MORE. CORRECT? YES. AND ALWAYS HAVE SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE. YEAH. SHE SAID SHE NEEDS A JOB. I KNOW. WELL, I THINK YOU WERE ON A NEW POSITION. FREEZE WEREN'T YOU? YEAH, YEAH. IS THAT. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW. YEAH. WE TRY TO GET THE INSPECTOR LAST TIME. YES. AND THAT WAS TURNED DOWN. YEAH. SO I GOT A QUESTION HERE. CAN SOME OF THESE MONEY SPENT IN THE IN THE PALM BAY REGIONAL PARK FED POPPY PARK. FRED. FRED. POPPY. YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO. LOOK, I I'M NOT SURE WHETHER FRED. I THINK THAT'S NOT IN. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREA. OKAY. WELL THAT WAS MY WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT VETERAN PARK. YES. VETERANS. YES. VETERAN PARK. YES. YEAH. IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WAS A BATHROOM PROJECT IN VETERANS SIDE. [01:00:07] YEAH, WE WE WE WE GOT A FEEL OVER THERE. WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT IT TODAY. I THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. A SOCCER FIELD NEED TO BE RESURFACED OVER THERE. OH, OKAY. TALK WITH GREG. DEFINITELY FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. GREG'S REALLY GOOD ABOUT GETTING HIS PROJECTS THROUGH. DID ANY COMMENTS? I CAN'T SEE YOU DOWN THERE. I'M SORRY. I KNOW YOU HAVE A COMMENT. OH, DO I LET ME HAVE IT. THANK YOU, MISS CARTER. I APPRECIATE THE BACKGROUND ON IT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO READ THE LETTER, AND I KNOW YOUR HEART DROPPED WHEN YOU GOT IT AS WELL. WITH THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN SEE A COPY OF THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO HUD? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. THE SECOND QUESTION IS IT WAS, I WOULD IMAGINE LORI WAS WHO RECEIVED IT, LORI, FROM HUD OR RECEIVED THE PLAN. AND YOU STATED THAT SHE ESSENTIALLY SAID SHE HAS RECEIPT OF THE PLAN. HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION SINCE THEY RETURNED YESTERDAY? AND AND OUR HUD REP SAID THAT HER BOSS IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO APPROVE IT AND THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT THEY'RE JUST GETTING BACK TO WORK. SO, YEAH, SHE WAS AFFECTED BY THE SHUTDOWN. YES. YEAH. SO SHE PROBABLY JUST CAME BACK LIKE, I KNOW I'VE BEEN GETTING EMAILS FROM PEOPLE JUST STARTING LIKE THURSDAY. THEY FROM FEDERAL OFFICES, THEY ARE JUST NOW TRICKLING. SO I FEEL BAD FOR THOSE PEOPLE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE A TON OF STUFF. MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM. YES YOU CAN. IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO YES, WE CAN PROVIDE THIS TO THE BOARD. COULD YOU SEND A COPY? IF PEOPLE WANT SPREADSHEETS, THEY CAN GET IT. I PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SPREADSHEETS. I, I APPRECIATE CRUNCHING NUMBERS AND SPREADSHEETS. SO THANK YOU FOR CREATING THAT. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ASSOCIATED WITH GATHERING ALL THAT DATA AND COMPILING COMPILING IT INTO ONE FORMAT THAT'S DIGESTIBLE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN AS WELL AS THE WORKSHEETS. AND THEN IF IT'S POSSIBLE, NEW TO THE BOARD, I'M GOING TO USE THAT EXCUSE FOR QUITE SOME TIME TO LEARN THE ELIGIBLE AREAS, IF YOU WILL, HERE IN PALM BAY TO LEVERAGE THOSE FUNDS. AND WE'LL PROVIDE THE MAPS. OKAY. MAPS. YEAH. I THINK WE HAD THE MAPS AT OUR LAST. I GAVE IT TO YOU GUYS. YEAH, WE HAD THE MAPS AND I AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, BUT I SUGGESTED TO EVERYONE TO HANG ON TO THE MAPS THAT CAME IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, BECAUSE IT COMES UP ALL THE TIME ABOUT WHAT AREAS IN THE CITY. BUT AS DENISE IS SAYING, THEY CHANGE QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE APPROVED PROJECTS AND THEN THEY GET TO THE POINT THAT THEY GO TO CONSTRUCTION AND THANK GOODNESS DENISE DOUBLE CHECKS IT. IT'S NO LONGER ELIGIBLE. SO THE INCOME FLUCTUATES VERY FREQUENTLY IN THE CITY. SO IT'S VERY TOUGH. BUT YEAH, THE THE MAPS ARE A GREAT TOOL FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE. BUT YEAH, IF WE CAN GET THE WORK PLAN I AGREE I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I DON'T NEED TO DIG INTO THE NUMBERS. I'LL LET YOU DO IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. YEAH THAT'S GREAT I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ON THE LETTER? NO. OKAY. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OH THE SCHEDULE. NEXT IS THE SCHEDULE. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, MISS CARTER? ON THE SCHEDULE ITSELF. ANYTHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON OR IS IT JUST INFORMATION? I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COPY BECAUSE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SCHEDULE NOW THAT WE'RE USING FOR OUR PROGRAM INCOME FUNDS, THOSE ARE NOT OUR REGULAR FUNDS. WE HAVE NOT BEEN AWARDED ANY FUNDING YET FOR NEXT YEAR. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN OCTOBER, AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT WAS SHUT DOWN. SO AS SOON AS WE KNOW SOMETHING AND, AND WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION, AND THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDING US WITH UPDATES WHICH IS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. AND WHO WHO IS THE ACTING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER? JASON DELORENZO. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT HE CAME FROM PALM COAST. HE'S OUR BOSS. WE WE HE HE TOOK JONES PLACE. OH. OKAY. OKAY, I JUST I DIDN'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS. YES. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THE SCHEDULE. I WOULD JUST SAY TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, KEEP. JUST MAKE NOTE OF THE DATES ON HERE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE BOARD MEETING. IS THAT JUST JANUARY 20TH, I THINK. BUT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S FOR US ON HERE. YES. TENTATIVELY. AND AND AND WE'RE HAVING TO DO THIS SO DIFFERENTLY. I KNOW WE USUALLY GIVE Y'ALL AND THEY COME AND MAKE PRESENTATIONS AND EVERYTHING, SO WE MAY HAVE THE NONPROFITS HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING. [01:05:01] OKAY. HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT MAKING PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE WE HAD TO MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, WE HAD TO SHORTEN THE PROCESS. I HAD TO LOOK AT THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD DO WITHIN THE PLAN AND STILL MEET OUR PLAN. REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER, TO MOVE THE PROCESS BECAUSE AND THEN THIS IS TWOFOLD. NORMALLY WE JUST DO AN, A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT, BUT WE WANT TO TAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THAT NEW PEOPLE COULD APPLY. OKAY. SO WE'RE TAKING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS SO NEW PEOPLE CAN APPLY. THEN WE'RE DOING A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT OKAY. SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. SO THEY'LL IT WILL BE COMING BACK WITH FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING, ALONG WITH OUR CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE AND EVALUATION REPORT. THE THE PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCIES THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED, ARE THEY ON TRACK FOR THEIR EXPENDITURES. LIKE ARE THEY MEETING THE BENCHMARKS FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE SPENT AT THIS POINT IN THEIR AGREEMENTS? WELL AGAIN, THAT'S IN THE STATUTE WITH THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. OKAY. WE HAVE NO GRANT AGREEMENT. OH, OKAY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS ASKING OUR HUD REP WHEN I SPOKE WITH HER. WHEN WILL WE GET OUR GRANT AGREEMENT? SHE SAID BREVARD IS THE NEXT GROUP, SO WE WILL BE GETTING OUR GRANT AGREEMENT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN THEN THE NO CITY MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT THAT GRANT AGREEMENT. SO THE PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCIES DON'T HAVE THEIR THEIR SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENTS. OKAY. WE TOLD THEM THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND SPEND AND THEY DO THAT. THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEND AND THEY CAN BUILD US, BUILD US BACK FOR OCTOBER, HOWEVER, WE CANNOT GIVE THEM ANY REIMBURSEMENT BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED ANYTHING. SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE RIGHT. OKAY. GOTCHA. WE DON'T KNOW. OKAY. I HOPE THEY'RE ON TRACK. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M HEARING NO QUESTIONS ON THE SCHEDULE. OKAY, SO THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE TO THE INFORMATIONAL STAFF REPORT. [OTHER BOARD BUSINESS] DO YOU WANT TO GO HIGHLIGHTS ON THAT OR DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY. I WILL JUST MAKE ANOTHER PLUG FOR ORIENTATION FOR ANY OF OUR NEW MEMBERS. THEY DO A GREAT JOB AT ORIENTATION. SO IF YOU HAVE TIME, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT. AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE WHAT IS IT, THE FLORIDA HOUSING ONLINE TRAINING. WHICH I THINK IS RECORDED. YES. THAT'S EXCELLENT AS WELL FOR THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING ON. YEAH. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT LABOR VIEW PART. YES, SIR. THERE WAS A NICE CEREMONY THAT THAT WAS HELD RECENTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO GO BY THE APARTMENTS ON CONVAIR, BUT WAS THAT THE VOLUNTEERS FOR AMERICA? YES. YEAH, I WANTED TO GO TO THAT, AND I HAD A CONFLICT, SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT PROJECT FINALLY WAS COMPLETED. YES. YEAH. THAT'S EXCELLENT. AND THAT THAT ONE WAS FUNDED WITH SHIP OKAY. AND ARPA. SO THE CITY HAD OVER $1 MILLION IN THAT PROJECT. THAT'S GREAT. AND IT'S A $6 MILLION PROJECT. HOW MANY UNITS WAS THAT? 31 UNITS. BUT THEN THEY HAVE SOME UNITS THAT ARE USING AS A COMMUNITY ROOM AND. OKAY. AND SOME OFFICES. SO BUT THEY BOUGHT FURNITURE AND FURNISHED EVERY UNIT. SO IT'S ALL NEW FURNITURE IN THERE. AND I THINK THEY SAID THEY HAVE TO KEEP A 75, 75% VETERANS. 75% OF THE PEOPLE IN THERE ARE VETERANS. AND THEN THE REST ARE NOT. BUT I THINK THEY'RE LIKE 90% VETERANS. SO NOW HOW COME STUFF LIKE THAT ISN'T MAKING IT INTO THE FLORIDA TODAY OR THAT OR WELL, OR DESTINATION BREVARD OR ANY OF THESE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE COUNTY THAT THAT TYPE OF PROJECT. YES, IT IS AND WAS IT WAS A GOOD USE OF ARPA FUNDS AND SHIP FUNDS TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND FOR THE VETERAN COMMUNITY, LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE IF THAT WAS PUBLICIZED. THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S FAULT, BUT JUST SPENDING. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF REPORT? LET ME MAKE ONE CHANGE AND AND WE'LL UPDATE YOU ALL ON THAT NEXT YEAR. THE, THE SHIP NUMBER UNDER ON PAGE THREE ON 22 YEAR 2223 SHOULD BE 1,000,001 693.97 AND IT WAS 21 HOMES INSTEAD OF 22. SO AND 214 PEOPLE ON THE LIST? 214 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST? YES, BUT THEY'RE GETTING DOWN. WE WE HAVE A STAFF PERSON DOWN TO 174. OKAY, WE'RE GETTING DOWN THERE. [01:10:06] AND AS MUCH AS WE, WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONIES WHEN WE DID THAT TECHNICAL AMENDMENT. SO WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO WE'RE, WE CAN SPEND BETWEEN 90 AND 95,000 NOW ON EACH HOME. AND THERE ARE SOME THAT WON'T THAT WE WON'T BECAUSE THEY WON'T NEED IT. YEAH. AND, BUT SOME WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION NOW. YEAH. AND WE ALSO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT AREA AND, AND HOW INDEBTED THAT HOME IS. SO YOU KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'RE SIGNING THESE PAPERS AND MAN YOU JUST HOPE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT. YEAH. YOU KNOW WITH WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ECONOMY AND, AND YOU SEE WHAT THE DEBT THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR HOME AND THE MORTGAGES THEY'RE PAYING. SO THE OTHER ONE OTHER PROJECT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE FINISHED WAS THE WOMEN'S CENTER. AND AGAIN, THE WOMEN'S CENTER IS IN THAT SAME AREA. AND THAT PROJECT WILL HOPEFULLY FINISH IN DECEMBER. OKAY. THEY HAD THEY FOUND ADDITIONAL DAMAGE ACTUALLY IN THERE. IN, IN THE, IN, IN ON THE INTERIOR. AND THEY HAD TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK. SO THEY GOT AN EXTENSION TILL DECEMBER 18TH, BUT SHOULD THEY HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING BECAUSE IT'S JUST ON THE FOUR UNITS THAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEN THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR UNITS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE RENOVATED, BUT THAT WILL OPEN UP DOMESTIC. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHELTER HERE IN PALM BAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER SHELTER. AND AND THAT ONE HAS BEEN OUT OF COMMISSION FOR OVER A YEAR. THEY DO GREAT WORK. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR. NO. DENISE, WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING SCHEDULED? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE DECEMBER, AND I THINK IT'S THE 17TH. 17TH. OKAY. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM, OKAY? BECAUSE, AS I SAID, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE CAPER, THE CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT FOR CDBG, AND WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. SO PLEASE, IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR OR IF THAT DATE DOESN'T WORK FOR SOMEONE, IF YOU COULD LET STAFF KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I THINK SHE SAID THE 17TH. IS THAT A I THINK IT IS. AND IF NOT, I'LL LOOK AT THAT. DECEMBER 17TH. DECEMBER 17TH. SO IF THAT'S NOT GOOD, LET THEM KNOW ASAP SO THEY CAN. YES. DECEMBER MANEUVER AROUND OKAY. DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS ANYONE WANTS TO MENTION? YES, MA'AM. YES. I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE LOSS OF A COMMUNITY MEMBER. MRS. SUSAN CONNELLY. I JUST HEARD THAT. YES, AND SHE WAS. SHE'S LIVED IN BREVARD COUNTY MOST OF HER LIFE. SHE WAS CONSIDERED THE AMBASSADOR TO PALM BAY. YES. SHE LOVED OUR CITY. SHE'S USUALLY OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AT EVERY MEETING. YES. THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS HER HEARTFELT PASSION. YES. AND FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. SHE. SHE WAS WONDERFUL. I JUST HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT SHE PASSED. I WAS VERY SAD TO HEAR THAT. I THINK SHE WAS ALSO ON THE SUSAN CONNELLY. SHE WAS ON THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD. I THINK YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE IF YOU SAW HER. OH YEAH. THE LADY ALWAYS SAID ALWAYS IN THE FRONT ROW WITH MISTER BATON. SHE GOT IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND I BELIEVE SHE'S, LIKE PARALYZED FROM THE WAIST DOWN INITIALLY. AND THEN SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT, SO. OH, YEAH. YEAH. SHE WAS A GOOD STEWARD FOR OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AS WELL. YES. SO. AND SHE WAS ALWAYS VERY KIND TO ME. SO SHE. YES SHE, SHE WILL BE MISSED. SO VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE. I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY HOLIDAY NEXT WEEK AND WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN IN DECEMBER. THANK YOU. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 717. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.