Apr 01, 2026 Planning and Zoning Board

[CALL TO ORDER:]

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PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE DATE OF APRIL.

THE FIRST. WE WILL BEGIN BY CALLING THE ROLL.

SANDRA, WOULD YOU DO THE HONOR? YES. MR. KARAFFA HERE.

WARNER PRESIDENT. MR. CATALANO, WE ARE EXPECTING.

MR. FILIBERTO HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED. MR. HIGGINS HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.

MR. MCNALLY HERE. MR. NORRIS, PRESENT SCHOOL BOARD APPOINTEE POSITION IS VACANT.

AND CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY TANYA EARLY IS PRESENT.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO PLEASE STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL HEAR A MOTION, IF THERE IS ONE, TO ADOPT OUR MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES:]

FIRST. AND SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I, I, I.

ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. UNANIMOUS.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANTS AND THE AUDIENCE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF UNPAID VOLUNTEERS.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]

I SHOULD PROBABLY CHECK THAT MYSELF. OKAY. JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT DISTRACTING IN THE MEETING, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION STAFF WILL PRESENT STAFF REPORTS FOR EACH OF THE CASES THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN BE ASKED TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION GERMANE TO THE CASE, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, THEN THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION FOR ALL PROCEEDINGS.

ALL APPLICANTS AND SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE MUST SIGN OATH SPEAKER CARDS, WHICH ARE LOCATED TO THE SIDE OF THE ROOM AND AT THE PODIUM.

PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY, SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND COMMENTS FOR THE RECORD.

AND JUST BE ADVISED, I MAY INTERRUPT YOU IF YOU FORGET TO DO THAT.

BECAUSE CHANDRA, POOR THING, SHE DOES THE BEST SHE CAN TO KEEP GOOD NOTES.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE AS A COURTESY, I ASK THAT IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAY HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, COMMENTS THAT YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT SOMEBODY AS A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD. AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD FROM THE AUDIENCE.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A VOTE. DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ARE THEN FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DISPOSITION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION. ADHERING TO THE MEETING GUIDELINES.

ALL RIGHT. FIRST, ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS V2600001, THE REPLACEMENT

[NEW BUSINESS:]

AND JUST GOING TO ASK ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM AS WE GO DOWN.

I WILL BE ASKING IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY EX PARTE.

DID I SAY THAT CORRECT CONVERSATIONS IN RELATION TO ANY OF THESE BELOW AGENDA ITEMS? IF YOU HAVE, YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DECLARE THAT.

SO HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR ANY PERSONS RELATED TO V 26 00001? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. STAFF REPORT.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD. TODAY I'M PRESENTING TO YOU THE 20 6-01, AN APPLICANT FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SETBACK OF EIGHT FEET FOR RELIEF TO 4.5FT TO RE ENCLOSE AN EXISTING POOL. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.

THE FUTURE LAND USES LOW DENSITY AND IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

THE EXISTING OWNER HAS REPAIRED THE SCREEN SEVERAL TIMES SINCE BUYING THE HOME BACK IN 2011.

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THE APPLICANT, THE OLDER OWNER, APPLIED FOR A PERMIT AND NEVER CAME BACK TO ACTUALLY FINISH OUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

AND HERE IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. PLEASE NOTE THAT STAFF WILL BE LOOKING AT THE CODE TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE.

IN THESE CASES, WHERE THE PROOF IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH GIVING A VARIANCE.

HOWEVER, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS GONE THROUGH ALREADY A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WE DO APPRECIATE HER PATIENCE.

SHE HAD TO GET A AN EASEMENT VACATION. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE HARDSHIP WAS NOT PUT IN PLACE BY THE CURRENT OWNER. WE ALSO FEEL THAT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE POOL SCREENED IN FOR THE SAFETY OF SMALL ANIMALS AND CHILDREN, RATHER THAN PUTTING IT WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE USABLE DUE TO THE PLACEMENT OF THE POOL.

IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THAT SIDE SETBACK, SO PUTTING UP A STRUCTURE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE POOL IS WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IF WE WERE TO ADHERE TO THE SETBACKS. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT FOR STAFF? NO HEARING NONE. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.

GOOD EVENING MA'AM. MY NAME IS VALERIE MCFARLANE.

I THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS PROBLEM THIS EVENING.

AS AS YOUNG LADY SAID, I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE IN 2011, 2011, AND I HAD THAT PERMIT THAT THEY DO TO SAY EVERYTHING IS OKAY.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED RIGHT NOW, BUT ANYWAY, I DID HAVE THE INSURANCE ON THE HOME BECAUSE I FINANCED IT THROUGH WELLS FARGO, AND WHEN I BOUGHT IT, I UNDERSTOOD THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN ORDER WITH ALL COMPLIANCES, WITH LAWS AND REGULATIONS. AND I LIVED THERE EVER SINCE, UPDATING THE HOUSE AS I GOT AN OLDER HOME.

AND NOW THE LAST THING TO BE DONE IS THE SCREEN WHICH HAS HOLES IN IT.

I'VE REPAIRED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND NOW IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

AND LAST MAY, WHEN LAFFERTY APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT, THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT SOMETHING WAS WRONG.

I WENT TO CITY HALL OVER BY WINN-DIXIE, AND THEY TOLD ME I HAD TO APPLY FOR A VACATION, VACATE THE EASEMENT.

I DID THE APPLICATION, GOT THE FOUR LETTERS FROM ALL THE UTILITIES, DID EVERYTHING THAT I NEED TO DO, PAY THE, THE, THE THE PEOPLE TO MEASURE THE PLACE THAT LANDS THE.

THE AREA SUBMITTED EVERYTHING. CAME TO THE TWO CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND GOT THE PERMIT THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

THE LETTER THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE WHEN I SENT IT TO THEM AND THEY RESUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.

NO, IT COULDN'T GO FORWARD. WHY? I KEPT ASKING.

CALL THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SEVERAL TIMES. WHY? WHAT'S GOING ON? THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT THERE WAS ANOTHER PART TO THIS.

NOBODY TOLD ME THAT PRIOR TO THAT TIME, AND THIS WAS IN DECEMBER.

I HAD GONE THROUGH ALL THAT, AND NOW I HAD TO GO THROUGH AGAIN, PAYING $500 MORE AND FILLING OUT THESE PAPERS TO AND EXPLAINING WHY I NEED THE SCREEN REPLACED IN ORDER TO GET THE WORK DONE.

SO I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. I HOPE YOU PASS AND I CAN RESCREEN THE POOL.

HAD I BEEN THE FIRST OWNER, I WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS THE PROPER WAY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.

SO I HAD NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER. I BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS FINE AND NOW IT ISN'T FINE.

THANK YOU KINDLY. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

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HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AS IT GOES TOWARDS V 20 6-0001.

I MOTION TO APPROVE V26-0001 OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY CONVERSATION FROM THE BOARD? YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT THE CLIENT HAS DONE HER DUE DILIGENCE. I DID WHEN I WAS GOING BACK AND I WAS READING EVERYTHING I DID SEE WHERE THERE WAS SOME UNDUE HARDSHIP THAT WAS PLACED ONTO THE CLIENT. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE SAFETY IS THE OVERALL ISSUE FOR US TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE BY SAYING I, I.

ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE YOU GO, MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM V25-00003 AN EXISTING CARPORT. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO HAVE HAD AN EX PARTE CONVERSATION WITH THE PARTY OR ANY OTHER PARTY INVOLVED IN THIS CASE.

HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. STAFF REPORT.

GOOD EVENING. ONCE AGAIN PRESENTING B 20 503 WITH THE OWNERS.

THOMAS LEE WILLIAMS AND ALLISON R WILLIAMS REPRESENTING THEMSELVES.

THEY'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE, ACTUALLY, TWO VARIANCES, ONE TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND ANOTHER TO EXCEED THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

IN THEIR CUMULATIVE TOTAL FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BY 411FT², THE HEIGHT EXCEEDING THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT BY THREE FEET, ALMOST FOUR FEET. THIS IS ABOUT HALF AN ACRE IN SIZE.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHEN LOOKING AT THE VARIANCE RELIEF CRITERIA, THAT STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE APPLICANT ESTABLISHED THIS HARDSHIP ON THEMSELVES BY BUILDING STRUCTURE WITHOUT A PERMIT. HAD THEY APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A REVIEW BY STAFF TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING WAS NOT WITHIN THE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING CODE PURSUANT TO SECTION 172 .025.

WE HAVE HERE SOMEWHAT OF A SITE PLAN FOR THE EXISTING APPLICATION.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY HAVE THE HOME SITUATED.

LET ME SEE IF I GO BACK TO THE AERIAL. IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD ONE.

THE POLE BARN AND THE SHED TOGETHER, AS PROPOSED, WOULD EXCEED THE SIZE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED. THAT IS THE STANDARD THAT'S BEEN SET AS FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INTERPRETING THAT INTO OUR REGULATIONS FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IDEALLY, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LARGER, TALLER THAN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

WE DO ALLOW, IN SOME CASES WHERE IT'S A RURAL DESIGNATION FOR THAT TO OCCUR, BECAUSE OF COURSE, IN A RURAL ZONING DESIGNATION, THERE MIGHT BE A REQUIREMENT TO STORE LARGE TRACTORS, MAYBE HORSES AND OTHER FARM ANIMALS. THIS IS NOT THE CASE HERE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL.

THIS APPLICANT DID NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE JUSTIFICATION FOR THEIR REQUEST.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY SEEKING 23.9%, NEARLY 30% RELIEF FOR THE STRUCTURE HEIGHT, AND OVER 20% FOR THE CUMULATIVE SIZE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE ZONING CODE.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. FINANCIAL DISADVANTAGES OR INCONVENIENCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT A HARDSHIP.

THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY HAS REASONABLE USE OF THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

THEY JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CODE AND THAT BEING SHORTER AND SMALLER.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL FOR DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST.

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WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. MY FIRST QUESTION IS.

SO WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON THE SHED AND THE CARPORT TOGETHER.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF? NO, IT'S THE THE CARPORT IN AND OF ITSELF. THE SHED IS THERE IF THEY WANT TO.

I'M SORRY. SO IT IS JUST WHAT YOU HAD LABELED AS THE POLE BARN, RIGHT? SO THEY CAN HAVE BOTH THE POLE BARN AND THE SHED.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THE SHED, THE POLE BARN NEEDS TO BE SMALLER.

CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF ALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON THE SITE CAN'T BE LARGER THAN THE HOUSE.

RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE HEIGHT ISSUE.

THE HEIGHT OF THE POLE BARN. YES. OKAY. WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A PERMIT.

THERE ARE FINES ACCRUING ON A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE UNLESS IT'S BEEN CLOSED SINCE I WROTE MY STAFF REPORT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER EASEMENTS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE? FPL ON THIS ONE. THERE WERE NO NOTED EASEMENTS.

REMEMBER IT'S THE SIZE AND THE HEIGHT. THE SETBACKS ARE ACTUALLY FINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

HI THERE. HELLO, I'M THOMAS WILLIAMS. AND I'M ALLISON WILLIAMS. HI. HOW ARE YOU? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH ANY PARTS OF YOUR REQUEST? OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE STAFF HAS REPORTED? YES. YES, WE WANT TO THE VARIANCE PART OF IT.

I GUESS I'M THE HEIGHT. I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT TALLER, THREE FOOT 11, TALLER THAN MY HOUSE AND 400 AND SOMETHING SQUARE FOOT 411 AND 11 411.

I GUESS SQUARE FOOT BIGGER, THREE, THREE SEVEN OR SOMETHING.

TALLER THAN THE HOUSE AND JUST ASKING FOR VARIOUS DUE.

TO I GUESS GET PERMITTED OR WHATEVER I GOT TO DO TO TO GET THIS RESOLVED PRETTY MUCH WITHOUT HAVING TO. REMOVE THE POLE BARN OR MAKE IT SMALLER.

THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO. ACTUALLY, THAT'S ALREADY DONE AND UP, BUT WE USE IT TO STORE TOYS UNDER. I GUESS YOU KNOW, OUR SIDE BY SIDES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASICALLY WE USE IT. IT'S A POLE BARN, BUT THEY USE THEM FOR EVERYTHING.

PRETTY MUCH. CARPORT. I MEAN, THERE'S NO SOLID FLOOR IN IT.

THERE'S NO WALLS ON IT. IT'S JUST COVER PRETTY MUCH.

AND I KNOW BEFORE. IT WASN'T CONSIDERED SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE IT WAS OPEN AIR.

BUT I GUESS THAT CHANGED NOW. OUR OFF THE PROPERTY LINES, IT'S 20 SOMETHING FOOT PLUS ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO I MEAN, ONLY THING IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE HEIGHT.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, SIR. HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY? I'VE WE'VE I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 24 YEARS. AND AND AND THE, THE POLE BARN OR THE OR THE SHED WAS, WAS, WAS CONSTRUCTED WHEN THE POLE BARN WAS CONSTRUCTED A YEAR OVER A YEAR AGO.

AND THE SHED'S BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. HEARING NONE, YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND SIT DOWN. THANK YOU. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS ITEM FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL OF THOSE IN WHO WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST.

PLEASE DO SO NOW. ALL RIGHT. SHAUN. I DIDN'T HAVE A MICROPHONE ON.

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586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I'M NOT SO MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS OR AGAINST THIS AS I AM WITH ASKING WHY THEY NEEDED THE VARIANCE.

THEY DIDN'T GIVE ANY REASON OF WHY THEY NEEDED THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.

I CAN REVERT BACK TO WHERE YOU SAY YOUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS WHERE WE HAVE THE HIGH TRAILERS, THE HIGH HIGH BAY STOCK TRAILERS, AND THE HORSE HEIGHT HAS TO BE AT THAT ELEVATED HEIGHT.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING WHERE THE APPLICANT HAVE HAD A REASON WHY THEY COULD NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED HEIGHT WITH THE PROPERTY.

OTHER THAN THAT, I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE USING THEIR LAND, BUT WITHOUT A REASON FOR THE EXTENDED HEIGHT.

I'M. I'M MIXED. MIXED OPINIONS ON THAT, BUT I COULDN'T HEAR WHY THEY NEEDED THE ADDED HEIGHT.

THANK YOU BILL. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? OKAY. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST.

HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SO. SO WE NEEDED THE ADDED HEIGHT TO STORE OUR AIRBOAT.

WE HAVE. THERE'S TWO AIRBOATS AT OUR HOUSE, AND WE NEED THE HEIGHT OF THE POLE BARN TO STORE THE AIRBOAT UNDERNEATH.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? AND THE CAMPER.

OH, OUR INLAWS CAMPER THAT WE KEEP. THE REASON THE THE HEIGHT OF THE POLE BARN IN THE ENTRANCE IS ACTUALLY 13 FOOT 13 SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GO IN. IT'S THE PEAK OF IT.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT MAKES UP THE REST OF THE HEIGHT.

SO TO BE ABLE TO BACK ANYTHING UNDER IT, WE HAD TO GO TO THAT 13 SIX TO GET CLEARANCE FROM THE ROOF OF THE CAMPER AND BOATS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT SITS, IT'S THE REASON WHY THE PEAK IS THE HEIGHT OF.

IT IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD? WELL, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WELL. GO AHEAD. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS A POINT WHERE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, LIKE, THE POLE BARN WOULD NOT HAVE COUNTED IF IT WEREN'T ENCLOSED, AND THEN IT CHANGED AT SOME POINT.

YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THEY INDICATED THAT THE CODE CHANGED. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION AS WELL. WELL, THE CODE DOES NOT CHANGE. THERE IS A DIFFERENT SETBACK FOR WHAT WE CALL A STRUCTURE VERSUS SOMETIMES PEOPLE APPLY FOR A PERMIT JUST FOR CONCRETE SEPARATION.

AND THEN THEY COME BACK LATER BECAUSE WE DO ASK WHEN WE SEE THOSE.

ARE YOU PLANNING TO IMPOSE THIS IN ANY WAY? I JUST WANT TO DO THEIR SETBACKS CHANGE? WE DO TRY TO WARN PEOPLE. IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY.

WELL, THE SETBACKS DON'T SEEM TO BE THE ISSUE. IT'S JUST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. DO THEY DO THEY CHANGE? DOES THAT CHANGE BASED ON IF THERE WERE ANYTHING THAT WASN'T RIGHT? WE WOULD HAVE. OKAY, SURE. THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

SO IT'S NOT THE CASE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WASN'T COUNTED.

IF IT WASN'T WAS NOT ENCLOSED, IT WAS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

ALL SIZES OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES COUNT TOWARDS THAT.

OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. ALSO, PLEASE NOTE I KNOW THE APPLICANT STATED THEY WOULD POSSIBLY OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO TEAR ANYTHING DOWN.

SHOULD YOU DENY THEM. BUT THERE'S THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED.

IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IF YOU SHOULD APPROVE THIS.

AND. I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS HOW THEY GET TO THE POLE BARN WITH THE DRIVEWAY BEING OVER HERE.

BUT THAT'S NOT AT ISSUE RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST. WELL, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION IN FAVOR BEFORE WE CONTINUE ANY FURTHER, LET'S STICK TO OUR PROCEDURE.

IS THERE A MOTION IN FAVOR OR IN DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER V25-00003.

I'D LIKE TO ASK WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS. RS TWO.

YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UP THERE. YEAH. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

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IS THAT RELEVANT OR IS IT? YEAH. ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE APPROVING THEIR THEIR REQUEST.

SO YEAH, YOU JUST A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE RIGHT.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY. CORRECT. YES. OKAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY IT, THEN. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND JUST TO ASK A QUESTION TO GO. SO I'LL SECOND.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO EXPAND ON. OTHERWISE MR. CHAIR, I WAS JUST. AND THIS MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OUTSIDE OF THE HEIGHT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS OR OBSTRUCTING SOMETHING OR HARMING SOMETHING IN ANOTHER WAY OTHER THAN JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS EVEN COLLECT OR AT THIS POINT, NOTICES WERE SENT TO EVERYONE WITHIN 500 FOOT RADIUS.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS. I ONLY HEARD TODAY THAT THEY WERE USING THE POLE BARN TO BACK IN AN RV AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THE ACCESS ISSUE ONTO THE PROPERTY.

I. YEAH, THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF IT IS SEPARATE FROM THESE VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS, BUT HAVING THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. BRINGS SOME CONCERNS.

OKAY. I'LL MAINTAIN MY SECOND. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THIS ITEM? SO SO YEAH, JUST SO IT SEEMS, I DON'T WANT TO HARP ON THIS 411FT², BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE I KNOW YOU, YOU HAVE PUT OUT THAT IF THEY MADE IT SHORTER AND SMALLER, BUT THAT MEANS TEARING DOWN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

YES. THAT WOULD BE WHAT IT IS. YES. AND A LOT OF THE PROBLEM IS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY PERMITTED, WHICH AT THIS POINT WE COULD HAVE ALL KINDS OF SAFETY ISSUES OR ISSUES GOING ON WITH IT.

AND IT HASN'T BEEN INSPECTED. IT HASN'T HAD A PERMIT.

SO NO, THERE'S NO, NOT NOT EVEN A REQUEST OF THE PERMITS BEEN PUT IN AS OF YET.

THAT'S HOW THIS STARTED. THEY THEY WERE CITED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHICH THEN SAYS YOU'VE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A PERMIT.

OKAY. AND THEN TYPICALLY THEY COME IN AND APPLY FOR THE PERMIT.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THEY NEEDED VARIANCES IN ORDER TO.

OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD SIR? OKAY. ALL OF THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO DENY INDICATE BY SAYING AYE, AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM C P 25 00005.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE A CORRESPONDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT IS AT YOUR DESKS REGARDING THIS.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THIS ITEM, WHICH IS PALM VISTA EVERGLADES WEST, WHICH APPEARS TO BE OUR LARGE ITEM THIS EVENING.

I'LL JUST HANG ON JUST A SECOND. THESE TWO OTHER ITEMS C P 26 ONE AND TWO, IS THAT INVOLVING ANYBODY THAT IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US? IT'S A STAFF INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT. WHILE SOMEONE MAY BE HERE TO SPEAK ON IT.

IT IS A TEXT STAFF TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY WAITING FOR A SMALLER AGENDA ITEM THAT BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO DOMINATE THE REST OF OUR TIME.

OKAY. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO C P 25 00005.

IN REFERENCE TO PALM VISTA EVERGLADES EVERGLADES SORRY, WEST.

I AM GOING TO ASK THE BOARD IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY PARTY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ITEM, PLEASE SPEAK NOW. OKAY. HEARING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WE WILL HEAR STAFF REPORT. GOOD EVENING. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS DEBBIE FLYNN FOR THE RECORD ASSISTING GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, I'M PRESENTING TWO COMPANION APPLICATIONS.

I WAS WANTING TO BE APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS THAT WE CAN DO AT THE END FOR THE FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I'LL BE PROVIDING.

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BUT THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. SO IT'S CP 25 00005, WHICH IS A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND USE AMENDMENT AND PD 25 00003, A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROJECT, KNOWN AS PALM VISTA EVELYNN'S WEST. THE REQUEST INVOLVES APPROXIMATELY 1198 ACRES WEST OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND PROPOSES A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WITH RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND OPEN SPACE COMPONENTS.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ESTABLISHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER DESIGNATION WHILE THE PDP.

THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I'LL BE SAYING PDP INSTEAD.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WITH THE LINGO PROVIDES THE DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK.

AS I SAID, IT'S OVER 1100 ACRES. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL.

AND RECREATION AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. TONIGHT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURE IS A COUNTY ZONING. WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ANNEXED YEARS AGO, IT DID NOT CHANGE THE ZONING.

SO TONIGHT WE'LL BE CHANGING THE ZONING TO PUD AND THE EXISTING LAND USE IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.

THE APPLICANT DID HAVE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS ON JULY 8TH, 2025.

SEVEN AND IT HAPPENED AT FRED POPPY PARK PAVILION.

SEVEN PEOPLE ATTENDED THE MEETING AND THAT CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN OUTCOME PACKET IS IN THE PACKET FOR THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.

A LITTLE OF THE HISTORY. THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN THE CITY IN 2004.

AT THIS TIME THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY MELBOURNE TILLMAN WATER CONTROLS SPECIAL DISTRICT AND IT WAS REQUIRED TO DO THAT FOR HOUSE BILL ZERO 591.

AT THAT TIME. THE ADOPTION OF THE INITIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ESTABLISHING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL LAND USE. AS I STATED WITH THE CURRENT FUTURE, LAND USES WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2006.

THE OS WAS RESTRICTED TO CONSERVATION USE ONLY.

IN 2017, THE CITY APPROVED AN INCREASE TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DENSITY FOR THE EVELYNN'S DEVELOPMENT TO 4000 DWELLING UNITS, WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS PROCEED THROUGH A PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK AND BE SUPPORTED BY THE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE AND.

THIS WAS FOR THE THE WHOLE AREA AT THAT TIME.

TODAY, THE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION HAS OCCURRED ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH IS NOT FOR TODAY, BUT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, INCLUDING EDGEWOOD TIMBERS AND RIVERWOOD, TOTALING 1400 UNITS. THE APPLICANT IS RESERVING 240 MULTIFAMILY UNITS OF THE 4000 APPROVED, IF NOT CONSTRUCTED, TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE PALM VISTA EVELYNN'S WEST, WHICH COULD THEN TOTAL 2600 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAIL OF WHAT THE LARGE SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS.

THE LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT IS REVIEWED UNDER SECTION 170 2.0 21C OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS SECTION REQUIRES STAFF TO EVALUATE SEVERAL FACTORS, INCLUDING CONSISTENCY WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IMPACTS TO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE.

CURRENTLY, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE AND POLICE, AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REMAINS INCOMPLETE DUE TO THE REQUIRED SIGNAL WARRANT STUDY.

THE SIGNAL WARRANT STUDY IS REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE SECOND COUNCIL READING.

FOR THIS PROJECT, BASED ON THE PROJECTED POPULATION INCREASE, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE 12 ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, A QUINT APPARATUS TO MEET THE PUBLIC SAFETY LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND DETAILED FIRE AND POLICE ANALYSIS WERE PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKETS.

COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS. THE OVERALL EFFECT OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.

WELFARE. SO THESE ARE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

THE KEY COMPONENT OF THE REVIEW IS ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT, WHICH REQUIRES PUBLIC FACILITIES SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES AND PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE CONCURRENT WITH THE IMPACTS OF THE

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IT NEEDS TO GO TO FLORIDA COMMERCE AFTER IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR 30 DAY REVIEW AND STATE AGENCIES REVIEWS THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THEN THEY BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ONCE WE RECEIVE THEIR COMMENTS.

IF THERE'S COMMENTS TO BE ADDRESSED, THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE STATE AGENCIES, AND THOSE WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE SECOND READING OF CITY COUNCIL.

THE NEXT APPLICATION IS THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH GIVES THEM THEIR PUD ZONING, WHICH IS PER SECTION 172. 0308 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THIS REVIEW FOCUSES ON THE OVERALL DESIGN AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

THE INTERNAL ORGANIZATION OF THE SITE, INCLUDING ROADWAY NETWORKS AND CONNECTIVITY.

ADEQUACY OF INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION, WATER, WASTEWATER SYSTEMS, A PROVISION AND MAINTENANCE OF OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES, AND THE ABILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO FUNCTION AS COHESIVE, MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY.

THE CRITERIA ALSO EVALUATES WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES A COORDINATED AND INTEGRATED DESIGN THAT SUPPORTS EFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE PLACEMENT, WHILE MAINTAINING COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE BOARD'S ROLE IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETS THE CRITERIA AND TO FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REVIEWED UNDER SECTION 172 O3H.

AS I SAID OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE CRITERIA FOR THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THIS REVIEW EVALUATES WHETHER THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ESTABLISHES COORDINATED, FUNCTIONAL AND COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

THE PROJECT IS ABOUT 1600 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND 760 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICING, NONRESIDENTIAL USES AND INTERNAL HIERARCHY OF ROADWAY NETWORK, MULTI-USE TRAILS AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.

INTEGRATE OPEN SPACE, RECREATION AMENITIES AND PRESERVED ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.

AND I KNOW OUR APPLICANT IS GOING TO GO INTO THOSE DETAILS TONIGHT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED SUPPORTING TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION, INCLUDING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION.

UTILITY PLANNING DEMONSTRATES THE DEVELOPMENT'S ABILITY TO FUNCTION WITHIN THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORK.

UNDER THE REVIEW CRITERIA, STAFF EVALUATED THE PROJECT'S COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE BROADER EVELYNN'S MASTER PLANNED AREA.

THE INTERNAL ORGANIZATION AND CONNECTIVITY OF THE SITE, INCLUDING ACCESS TO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.

THE ADEQUACY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC FACILITIES TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROVISION AND LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.

AND THE ABILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO FUNCTION AS A COHESIVE, INTEGRATED COMMUNITY.

THE PDP ESTABLISHES THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK, ENSURING THAT FUTURE PHASES OF THE DEVELOPMENT CAN PROCEED IN A COORDINATED MANNER AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CITY'S ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS.

THEY ALSO HAVE ANTICIPATED PHASING. THE PROJECT IS PLANNED IN MULTIPLE PHASES OVER 10 TO 12 YEARS, SO THIS IS NOT JUST GOING TO HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS.

ALLOWING INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC SERVICES TO BE DELIVERED CONCURRENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE PHASE ONE BEGINS IN 2026 WITH PODS. I'LL GO BACK PODS A, C, AND F ALONG WITH THE INITIAL AMENITIES.

CENTER PHASES TWO THROUGH FOUR CONTINUE THROUGH 2030.

EXPANDED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONNECTIVITY PHASES FIVE AND SIX REPRESENT THE MIDPOINT, ADDING ADDITIONAL UNITS AT A SOUTHERN AMENITY CENTER.

PHASES SEVEN AND EIGHT COMPLETE A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE BUILDOUT, FOLLOWED BY FINAL PHASES OF NINE AND TEN, WHICH COMPLETE THE DEVELOPMENT BY 2037, INCLUDING THE NORTHERN AMENITY CENTER.

NONRESIDENTIAL USES TOTALING 145,000FT² ARE ANTICIPATED TO DEVELOP OVER TIME BASED ON DEMAND.

OVERALL, THE PHASING PLAN SUPPORTS COORDINATED DELIVERY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS.

JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT WITH THE. THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PROCESS IS.

THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAIL OF WHAT THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE.

BUT WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S NOT REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.

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OKAY. WHAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? LAND USE DESIGNATION.

IT, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF OVER 1100 ACRES. THE INTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER'S DESIGNATION IS TO CREATE A WALKABLE, MIXED USE AREA THAT PROVIDES CONVENIENT ACCESS TO GOODS, SERVICES, AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES WHILE PROMOTING EFFICIENT LAND USE AND INTERNET CONNECTIVITY IN SUPPORT OF THE INTENT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 145,000FT² OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICING COMMERCIAL USES.

THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT INCLUDES A MIX OF THE SINGLE MULTIFAMILY.

FINALLY, THE PROJECT IS DESIGNED AS A COHESIVE POD HAVING MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS.

PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.

THEY WILL BE A TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THE THE AREA OF THE WETLAND AREA.

THERE WILL BE A TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THERE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND FOR RESIDENTS OF THE CITY AS WELL, NOT JUST FOR THE THE APPLICANTS. NEXT, THEY HAVE AMENITIES AND RECREATION.

THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS FEATURES OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROJECT IS DESIGNED AS THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.

SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE AREAS INCLUDING PRESERVED WETLANDS AND STORMWATER FEATURES.

EXCEEDING MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS TO HELP MAINTAIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

I'LL GO BACK TO THAT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

THE DEVELOPMENT ALSO EMPHASIZES CONNECTIVITY WITH MULTIPLE USE TRAILS AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, LINKING NEIGHBORHOODS TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, AND THE BROADER TRANSPORTATION NETWORK TO EVENTUALLY GET TO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY WILL EVENTUALLY. THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS ALONG SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

OVERALL, THE LAYOUT SUPPORTS A COHESIVE COMMUNITY STRUCTURE WITH COORDINATED INFRASTRUCTURE AND MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

GO BACK HERE FOR PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION. I BELIEVE I ALREADY POINTED OUT ON THERE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE PEDESTRIAN PATHS, MULTI-USE PATHS, INTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK THAT WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS, VEHICULAR ACCESS POINTS ONTO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND A REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY TO FROM THE PROJECT SITE TO THE BROADER CITY OF PALM BAY ALONG SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND TO THEIR PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET OF ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A BIG WETLAND AREA.

THERE'S IMPACTS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE AREAS, INCLUDING WETLANDS AND ASSOCIATED BUFFERS.

BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND AGENCY COORDINATION, THERE'S OVER 350 ACRES OF WETLANDS AND BUFFER AREAS ARE PROPOSED TO BE PRESERVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PRIMARILY THROUGH THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.

THE SITE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ALTERED BY AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND MUCH OF THE EXISTING HABITAT HAS BEEN IMPACTED OVER TIME.

ANY PROPOSED IMPACTS TO WETLANDS OR PROTECTED RESOURCE WILL REQUIRE PERMITTING AND APPROVAL FROM THE APPROPRIATE REGULATORY AGENCIES, INCLUDING SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER.

THESE ARE AGENCIES THAT WILL BE REVIEWING THIS PROJECT WHEN I SEND IT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE AS WELL.

ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE PROTECTED SPECIES SURVEYS AND ANY NECESSARY MITIGATION MEASURES PRIOR TO SITE DEVELOPMENT.

SO AFTER THEY RECEIVE THEIR ENTITLEMENTS AND PROCEED TO SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GET ALL THESE PERMITTING AND SURVEYS AT THAT TIME.

OVERALL, THE DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK INCORPORATES PRESERVATION, A KEY COMPONENT WITH LARGE PORTIONS OF WETLANDS AND BUFFERS INTEGRATED INTO THE SITE DESIGN. THE PROPOSED TRAIL SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE GOOD CORRIDORS FOR WILDLIFE BETWEEN ISOLATED WETLAND TRACKS.

WHILE NO PROTECTED SPECIES OR HABITAT WERE OBSERVED ON THE SITE DURING THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT, COMPLETE SPECIES SURVEYS FOR GOPHER TORTOISE SCRUB JAY CRESTED CARACARA WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE SITE WORK MAY OCCUR.

LIKE I SAID, DURING SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THIS WILL ALL BE REQUIRED BY THE APPLICANT.

ADDITIONALLY, A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT MUST BE SUBMITTED.

THIS REPORT UTILIZES HISTORICAL RECORDS AND VISUAL INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION.

THE SCHOOL BOARD DID REVIEW THIS PROJECT. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO THEY PROVIDE A PRELIMINARY SCHOOL CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS, AND IT DETERMINED THAT THE DISCOVERY ELEMENTARY DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO SERVE THE PROJECT.

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IMPORTANTLY, WHEN ADJACENT CONCURRENCY SERVICES AREA ARE CONSIDERED, SUFFICIENT CAPACITY EXISTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECTED STUDENT POPULATION.

THE SCHOOL BOARD'S DETERMINATION AT THIS STAGE IS PRELIMINARY, AND A FINAL CONCURRENCY DETERMINATION WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER. WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP AFTER THE PDP, THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL THEN DO THEIR FINAL CONCURRENCY CONCURRENCY EVALUATION.

ANY REQUIRED MITIGATION WILL BE ADDRESSED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT DURING SUBSEQUENT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.

AND THE ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSIONS. THIS SITE'S SLIDE SUMMARIZES STAFF'S OVERALL FINDINGS BASED ON THE REQUIRED ANALYSIS UNDER SECTION 172 021C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE FIRST PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT SUPPORTS A BALANCED LAND USE PATTERN BY INTEGRATING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL USES CONSISTENT WITH THE FLU POLICIES.

THE TA WITH RESPECT TO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND CONCURRENCY UTILITIES HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED TO BE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY'S 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.

THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IDENTIFIES IMPACTS AND CORRESPONDING IMPROVEMENTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES, INCLUDING FIRE AND POLICE, WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE THROUGH CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS AND, IF NECESSARY, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE ANY CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED AT THAT TIME. SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE OUTCOMES OF THEIR CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS WILL BE DETERMINED THEN AND PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, THE PROJECT WILL EXPAND THE CITY'S TAX BASE, GENERATE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND CONTRIBUTE IMPACT FEES TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE.

ENVIRONMENTALLY, THE PROJECT PRESERVES A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF WETLANDS.

FINALLY, THE REQUEST MAINTAINS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING EVIDENCE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND PROVIDES APPROPRIATE TRANSITION TO ADJACENT ROLE AND CONSERVATION AREAS.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS IS A LARGE SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

AFTER IT GOES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRANSMIT TO THE FLORIDA COMMERCE FOR THEM TO DO THEIR DIRTY, PROVIDE THEIR 30 DAY REVIEW.

ONCE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY SAY YES TO TRANSMIT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE.

THEY HAVE THAT 30 DAY REVIEW. THEY COME BACK APPLICANT RESPONDS TO THESE THE COMMENTS THAT WAS PROVIDED AND THE COMMENTS ARE PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN THEIR PACKET.

AND THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THOSE COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ADDRESSED TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND CITY COUNCIL CAN APPROVE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL.

SO I'M GOING TO SHOW BOTH MOTIONS ON THE SCREEN.

BUT THERE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. THE BOARD ACTION REQUESTED THE BOARD'S.

THE BOARD'S ROLE THIS EVENING IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT MEETS SECTION 172 021C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CRITERIA, AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR TRANSMITTAL TO FLORIDA COMMERCE.

ON THE SCREEN ARE THREE POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE.

ONE IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, ONE IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THOSE CONDITIONS ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 11.

OR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL, YOU HAVE TO STATE THE CRITERIA.

IF THE PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

THEN THE CONCLUSION FOR PD 25 0003 FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PUD ZONING.

THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNDER SECTION 172 030H.

THE PROPOSED PDP ESTABLISHES A COORDINATED MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK.

FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, THE PROJECT IS WELL CONNECTED TO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY WITH THREE ACCESS POINT.

THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IDENTIFIES IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN ACCEPTABLE OPERATIONS.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SIGNAL WARRANT STUDIES AT KEY INTERSECTIONS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.

SO BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE SECOND READING TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR COMPLETE TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THEIR SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS TO SEE WHEN THOSE SIGNALS NEED TO COME ONLINE AT PACE. AND I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THE OTHER INTERSECTION TO MAKE SURE WHEN THAT'S WARRANTED AND WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC SERVICE HAVE BEEN EVALUATED, AND UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY'S 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.

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LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE FDP STAGE OF THE PROCESS AND IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PROJECT EXCEEDS OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. OVER 300 ACRES ARE PRESERVED.

AREAS AND INTEGRATED RECREATIONAL AMENITIES WHILE ALSO PROTECTING ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.

THE FEATURES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OFFERING, THE APPLICANT WILL BE EXPLAINING REGARDING THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.

OVERALL, THE PLAN PROVIDES A COMPATIBLE CONNECTED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ACROSS ACROSS THE WAY ON SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TONIGHT, WE'RE AT PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL.

AFTER IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE THERE'S TWO READINGS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PDP.

AFTER THE TWO READINGS, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT IF THAT GETS APPROVED, THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THEM TO COME BACK WITH THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION TO STAFF. AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AS WELL.

WITH WITH THE MORE DETAILS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE MORE DETAILS IN THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT BRINGS THAT TO PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

AND THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR TWO READINGS AS WELL.

AND TONIGHT FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS I HAVE ON THE BOARD IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL RECOMMEND WITH CONDITIONS.

AND THOSE CONDITIONS ARE ON PAGE 12 OF THE STAFF REPORT OR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

IF YOU DO RECOMMEND DENIAL, PLEASE LIST THE CRITERIA FROM THIS CODE.

SECTION 172 O3H. IF YOU FAIL TO DO SO AND THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL, BUT STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN QUICK QUESTION. SO SO FOR THE CP 2505.

THAT'S FOR JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND IS THAT SECTION F ON THE SHEET THAT THEY LAID OUT.

SORRY, THE THERE WAS A SHEET WHERE YOU SAID WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD IN PHASES.

WAS THAT F WAS THAT WHERE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS OR IS THAT.

NO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS THEIR, THEIR LAND USE DESIGNATION.

IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. IT'S JUST THEIR LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT THEY CHOSE TO USE FOR THIS PROJECT.

OKAY, SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THEIR LAND USE AND THEN THEIR ZONING AND THEIR ZONING IS TO P D CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO ZONING FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND. IT'S STILL ZONED WITH THE COUNTY'S AGRICULTURAL DESIGNATION.

OKAY. AND WHEN WE SPEAK ON THIS ARE WE SINCE YOU PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER, WE CAN SPEAK ON BOTH ITEMS OR ARE WE ONLY GOING TO ONE OR THE OTHER? YOU MAY SPEAK ON BOTH ITEMS, BUT WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, PLEASE BE SURE TO MAKE THAT MOTION FOR THE SEPARATE ITEMS. YEAH, WE'LL DIVIDE THEM OUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T SEE WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR DENIAL ON EITHER ONE OF THESE STAFF IS NOT STAFF IS NOT NECESSARY FOR STAFF TO MAKE AN APPROVAL ON RECOMMENDATION PER OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATION? NO, IT'S FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET ME ASK. LET ME ASK HER A QUESTION.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. SOMEWHAT BASED ON THAT. YOU YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF GIVING SOME OF THE HISTORY BEING THAT THIS WAS BACK IN 2004, THAT IT WAS ANNEXED IN. YES. IS IS ANY AND WE'RE NOW IN 2026.

IS THERE ARE THERE ANY OTHER PARTS OF THIS THAT'S GRANDFATHERED IN? NO THEY DIDN'T. I'M SORRY. THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY ENTITLEMENTS YET.

THEY JUST RECEIVED THEIR ANNEXATION FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND.

THE ONLY BACK IN 2006, I BELIEVE THEY CHANGED THEIR LAND USE TO THE THREE TO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE RECREATION AND THE, THE COMMERCIAL.

BUT THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT LAND USE NOW TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER INSTEAD.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CHANGED BACK BACK THEN, BUT NOTHING.

THEY'RE NOT GRANDFATHERED INTO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

YES. NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS A LAND USE DESIGNATION.

RIGHT. SO ARE WE GAINING COMMERCIAL WITH THE.

YES. IT'S A MIX OF USES. IT'S 145,000FT² OF NON RESIDENTIAL AND OVER 2300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND PROCEED WITH THEIR PRESENTATION.

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GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND LPA.

MY NAME IS KIM ROSENKER. I'M WITH LISA ROSENKER IN MELBOURNE.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MELROSE PROPERTIES FLORIDA, LLC.

WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER FUTURE LANE USE ON THE 1200 ACRES AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PUD ZONING AND THE PDP.

AND WE DO AGREE TO THE CONDITION OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WARRANT.

SO WHAT I'VE PROVIDED TO YOU ARE THE RESUMES OF ALL THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE HERE TODAY. THOSE RESUMES ARE JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD.

AND WE'D ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THEM TO BE EXPERT, JUST AS MISS FLYNN WAS AS AN EXPERT IN HER FIELD AS WELL.

THE SHE COVERED EVERYTHING. AND ALTHOUGH SHE DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL, SHE SHOWED ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT THIS PROJECT DOES MEET, BOTH FROM THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND FOR THE PUD AND PDP.

THE ONLY DISAGREEMENT WE HAVE, WHICH ISN'T A SUBSTANTIAL DISAGREEMENT IS PUBLIC FACILITIES.

CURRENTLY, YOUR CODE NOR YOUR COMP PLAN HAS A LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES.

AND IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT THE FLORIDA STATUTES, PUBLIC FACILITIES DOES NOT INCLUDE POLICE OR FIRE.

THAT BEING SAID, WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR FIRE AND POLICE, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO PAY IMPACT FEES IN ADVANCE TO DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY ON A PHASE BY PHASE BASIS.

BECAUSE, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A 10 TO 12 YEAR PROJECT, SO WE DON'T NEED 12 POLICE OFFICERS WHEN BUILDINGS START, BUT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS SAFE.

SO WE DISAGREE THAT WE DON'T MEET PUBLIC FACILITIES BECAUSE WE WILL AS THIS PROJECT PROGRESSES, WE HAVE NO CHOICE. IT HAS TO BE MET. AND I KNOW THAT IS A BIG THING IN THE CITY AS WELL AS IT SHOULD BE.

SO THEY ARE PARTNERING WITH THEM AND THAT WILL ALL BE IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS REQUIRED AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, WHICH IF THIS IS APPROVED FOR THE COMP PLAN AND IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE PDP AND PD ZONING, THEN WE'LL COME FORWARD. YOU ALL WILL ALSO SEE THAT D A IT WILL HAVE THE TRAFFIC WARRANT STUDY INFORMATION.

IT WILL HAVE HAVE ALL HOW FEES ARE BEING PAID.

BE VERY DETAILED TO GO ALONG WITH THE FTP BEFORE ANY OF THIS IS APPROVED.

SO WITH THAT WE HAVE LEAH AND I ALWAYS MISPRONOUNCE HER NAME.

HUNZELMANN. SHE'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE THE PRESENTATION.

AND THEN AS I SAID, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR CONSULTANTS HERE.

WE HAVE GREG AND ANNA BROWN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU THINK WE'VE MISSED, ANYTHING YOU THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS.

SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THIS CAME BEFORE YOU FOR A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THREE YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS DENIED AT CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE'RE BACK WITH A FULLER DEVELOPED PLAN WITH MORE COMMERCIAL, WITH MORE AMENITIES, WITH THE WETLAND WALKING TRAIL FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO BRING LEAH UP AND WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, MAY I ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF WHERE'S MELROSE? I MEAN, YOU HAVE LIKE THE AVENGERS HERE. THIS IS A GREAT LOOKING TEAM, BUT LIKE, IS MELROSE AVAILABLE AT ALL OR.

OKAY, JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE YOU'RE AROUND MELROSE IS, IS A IT'S AN OFFSET OF LENNAR HOMES AND I'M AUTHORIZED BY MELROSE.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS LEAH HEINZELMAN WITH KOTLER. AND HEARING HERE ON BEHALF OF LENNAR HOMES, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND WORKING WITH US TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO YOU TONIGHT. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE. THE FINAL PHASE OF PALM VISTA, EVELYNN'S COMMUNITY AND TO REQUEST A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING. THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS THE CONTINUATION OF A LONG TERM VISION FOR THIS AREA, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WALKING THROUGH WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

AND BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TEAM.

THIS HAS BEEN A VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN LENNAR HOMES, OUR CIVIL AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS,

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SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH BOTH THE SITE AND THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE BROADER CONTEXT OF THE SITE.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PACE DRIVE AND SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, PLACING IT ALONG A KEY NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR WITHIN THE CITY.

THIS AREA REPRESENTS THE WESTERN EDGE OF PALM BAY, WHERE DEVELOPMENT TRANSITIONS INTO PRESERVED NATURAL SYSTEMS, AND THE PROJECT CONTINUES THAT PATTERN WITH ITS DESIGN.

THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1200 ACRES.

WE ARE PROPOSING 2360 RESIDENTIAL HOMES, ALONG WITH ABOUT 145,000FT² OF NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE NONRESIDENTIAL USES AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES. THE REQUEST INCLUDES A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND REZONING TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR A COHESIVE MASTER PLAN DESIGN. CURRENTLY, THE SITE INCLUDES A MIX OF LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO UNIFY THIS UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER DESIGNATION, WHICH SUPPORTS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, COMPLEMENTED BY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL AND CIVIC USES.

WHILE THIS CATEGORY ALLOWS HIGHER DENSITIES, WE ARE PROPOSING JUST UNDER TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WELL BELOW THE MAXIMUM OF 25 OR 30 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE WITH A BONUS.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT REMAINS LOW IN INTENSITY WHILE STILL PROVIDING FLEXIBLE AND INNOVATIVE DESIGN FOR ALL THE USES.

THIS ALLOWS FOR A TRUE TRANSITION OF DENSITY AND DESIGN WITHIN THAT NATURAL AREA.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS BREVARD COUNTY AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL AND WE ARE PROPOSING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE PUD ALLOWS US TO DESIGN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, INTEGRATING RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE, AMENITIES AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES IN A COORDINATED AND INTENTIONAL WAY THAT RESPONDS TO THE SITE'S NATURAL FEATURES.

AGAIN, WE ARE MAXED AT 2360 RESIDENTIAL HOMES AT 1.96 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE, WELL BELOW WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE LAND USE.

AND BY HAVING THIS LOWER DENSITY, IT TRULY REPRESENTS A REDUCTION IN IMPACTS TO THE CITY WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF WE WENT FOR A HIGH DWELLING UNIT DENSITY. THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE KEY FACTORS CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL.

AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL SHOW HOW THE PROJECT SUPPORTS ECONOMIC GROWTH, MAINTAINS LEVEL OF SERVICE, PRESERVES NATURAL SYSTEMS, AND REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ALL WILL BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AND THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

BEFORE GETTING INTO THE DESIGN, IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.

THIS SITE HAS BEEN PART OF A LONG TERM VISION DATING BACK TO 2004, WHEN IT WAS FIRST APPROVED FOR THE 1700 ACRE MIXED USE COMMUNITY.

SINCE THEN, LENNAR HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CITY TO BRING FORWARD MULTIPLE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

BERLIN'S WEST REPRESENTS THE FINAL PHASE OF THAT VISION, BUILDING ON OVER TWO DECADES OF PLANNING, INVESTMENT AND COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DESIGN BEGAN IN 2010 WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH LED TO THE CONNECTION WITH EMERSON DRIVE AND PACE DRIVE.

THIS WAS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE ANOTHER MAJOR CORRIDOR CONNECTION BETWEEN HIGHWAY 192 AND MALABAR ROAD IN 2017. PALM BAY CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE OVERALL EVELYNN'S COMMUNITY TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 4000 RESIDENCES.

THE SITE PLAN CAME IN FOR THE FIRST COMMUNITY, EDGEWOOD, AND DEVELOPMENT WAS UNDERWAY BETWEEN 2022 TO 2024.

TIMBERS AND RIVERWOOD WERE APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED, BRINGING ROUGHLY 1640 NEW RESIDENCES TO THE AREA.

OF THE OVERALL 4000 HOMES APPROVED, THIS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR 41%.

AND THAT LEADS US TO TODAY, WHERE LINAA HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO BRING THE FINAL PORTION OF THIS APPROVED COMMUNITY TO FRUITION WITH THE FINAL PHASE OF EVELYNN'S WEST. TO DATE, LINAA HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT BENEFIT BOTH THIS PROJECT AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THIS INCLUDES ROAD RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS, MILES OF WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IMPROVEMENTS TO SUPPORT EMERGENCY SERVICES AND OVERALL SYSTEM CAPACITY. THESE EFFORTS HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO EXPANDING THE CITY'S TAX BASE AND SUPPORTING LONG TERM GROWTH.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, HERE ARE THE SPECIFIC BENEFITS TO DATE.

60 ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY. DEDICATION AND IMPLEMENTATION.

THREE AND A HALF MILES OF WATER. LINE. THREE AND A HALF MILES OF FOREST MAIN.

A COMBINED TOTAL OF OVER $7 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, FIRE PROTECTION FOR EXISTING CITY RESIDENTS AND IMPROVED WATER QUALITY.

FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT EXTENSION FOR THE FUTURE.

EMERSON SIGNAL. AND FINALLY, THE ADDED IMPACT FEES OF EVELYNN'S EAST BRINGING IN ABOUT $24 MILLION.

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THE COMMUNITY IS DESIGNED TO BE COHESIVE AND CONNECTED, WITH AN EMPHASIS ON OPEN SPACE, WALKABILITY, AND PRESERVATION. RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE INTEGRATED WITH AMENITIES, TRAILS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING USES TO CREATE A WELL-BALANCED AND LIVABLE ENVIRONMENT.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ARE RESPECTING THE EDGE TRANSITION WITH THIS DESIGN BY HAVING THE LOWER DENSITY UNDER TWO DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE, WHILE PROVIDING THE DIFFERENT USES ALLOWED IN THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, MORE THAN 40% OF THE DESIGN IS FOCUSED AROUND THE EXISTING WETLANDS AND PRESERVE AREA.

CREATING AND MAINTAINING IMPORTANT HABITATS WHILE DESIGNING A COMMUNITY THAT'S FOCUSED ON NATURE OF THE CITY.

AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT STAGE, THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND LOT AREAS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED, BUT WILL BE BACK FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE FORMAL LOT LAYOUTS AND INTEGRATION OF THE AMENITY AREAS.

THESE VIGNETTES GIVE AN OVERALL SENSE OF COMMUNITY DESIGN AND CHARACTER.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A STRONG EMPHASIS ON LARGE OPEN SPACES, CONNECTED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, AND STRATEGICALLY PLACED AMENITIES, ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO CREATE A COHESIVE AND INVITING PLACE FOR BOTH FUTURE AND EXISTING PALM BAY RESIDENTS.

THIS IMAGE GIVES ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW THE NONRESIDENTIAL AND CIVIC SPACES ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE STREET NETWORK AND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, AND HOW THEY SUPPORT THE OVERALL COMMUNITY DESIGN.

AS THE TEAM CONTINUES TO REFINE THE PLAN, NATIVE LANDSCAPE INTEGRATION, ESPECIALLY ALONG WALKWAYS AND BETWEEN DIFFERENT USES, WILL BE A KEY FOCUS. THE COMMUNITY IS DESIGNED WITH A STRONG FOCUS ON LIFESTYLE AND CONNECTIVITY.

KEY FEATURES INCLUDE A CENTRAL PASEO AMENITY AREA, POOL AND GATHERING SPACES.

AGRICULTURAL GARDENS, TRAIL SYSTEMS AND PRESERVED WETLANDS.

THESE ELEMENTS CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE RECREATION, WHILE MAINTAINING A STRONG CONNECTION TO THE NATURAL SPACE.

CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT. THE COMMUNITY IS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT BOTH VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE GATHERING SPACES, TRAIL CONNECTIONS, AND OVERLOOKS THAT PROVIDE SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE MOVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE SITE, HELPING TO CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS, AMENITIES AND NATURAL AREAS IN A SEAMLESS WAY.

HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE FEATURES, INCLUDING OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACES AND WETLAND OVERLOOK AREAS, ALONG WITH A BUILT EXAMPLE FROM TIMBERS THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE FISHING DOCK AND PASSIVE RECREATION AREAS.

A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT IS THE PRESERVATION OF NATURAL SYSTEMS. OVER 480 ACRES OF WETLANDS AND CONSERVATION AREAS WILL BE PRESERVED, INCLUDING A LARGE WESTERN CONSERVATION TRACT.

IN ADDITION, MORE THAN SIX MILES OF TRAILS WILL PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RECREATION EDUCATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL APPRECIATION.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE MARKERS AND EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS THAT COULD BE PROVIDED ALONG THE TRAILS OR WITHIN THE AMENITY AREAS.

THE PROJECT INCLUDES A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES.

THE LAYOUT AND ARCHITECTURAL APPROACH ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING EVELYNN'S NEIGHBORHOODS, PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS WHILE MAINTAINING A COHESIVE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

AND HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF DIFFERENT ELEVATION OPTIONS THAT MAY BE PROVIDED FOR NEW HOMEOWNERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, STAYING CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 145,000FT² OF NON RESIDENTIAL USES.

THESE ARE INTENDED TO SERVE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND MAY INCLUDE RETAIL, OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL AND CIVIC USES, HELPING TO REDUCE THE NEED FOR RESIDENTS TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THE AREA FOR DAILY NEEDS, KEEPING TRIPS INTERNAL TO THE AREA.

IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THE SITE IS WELL SERVED BY EXISTING POLICE FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY.

THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE IMPACT FEES THAT SUPPORT CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN THESE SERVICES, ENSURING THAT SERVICE LEVELS REMAIN STRONG AS THE AREA GROWS.

AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, EVELYNN'S WEST IS ANTICIPATED TO PROVIDE OVER $1.2 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES FOR THE EXISTING POLICE FACILITIES.

FIRE PROTECTION IS PROVIDED BY MULTIPLE NEARBY STATIONS WITH STRONG RESPONSE TIMES.

THERE IS ALSO A FUTURE STATION PLAN CLOSER TO THE SITE, WHICH WILL WHICH WILL FURTHER ENHANCE COVERAGE WITH A RESPONSE TIME OF FOUR MINUTES OR LESS. IN ADDITION, THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE OVER $2 MILLION IN FIRE IMPACT FEES TO SUPPORT THESE SERVICES.

I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO WALK THROUGH THE UTILITY CAPACITY, AS THIS INFORMATION IS DIRECTLY SUPPORTED BY THE CITY'S UTILITY DEPARTMENT REPORT BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS. THERE IS AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY AND SYSTEM TO SERVE THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, AND THOSE FINDINGS ARE PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THEIR MODELING. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE MODELS HAVE ALWAYS ACCOUNTED FOR THE 4000 RESIDENTIAL HOMES WITHIN THE EVERLANE'S COMMUNITY, AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE SYSTEM PERFORMS AT THE 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.

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HOWEVER, THE INSTALLATION OF APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF MILES OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN 2022, BOTH FLOW AND CAPACITY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED, AS CONFIRMED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THE SYSTEM NOW PROVIDES SUFFICIENT WATER PRESSURE AND FIRE FLOW, AND THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE HAS BEEN PART OF THE PLANNING AND DESIGN OF THIS COMMUNITY FROM THE BEGINNING. AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE FIRE FLOW, THE WATER ANALYSIS SHOWS THE SYSTEM CAN ADEQUATELY SERVE THE PROJECT AT THE 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON. AND JUST LIKE THE OTHERS, THE FINAL CHECKBOX FROM UTILITIES.

THE WASTEWATER ANALYSIS SHOWS THE SYSTEM CAN ADEQUATELY SERVE THE PROJECT AT THE 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.

SCHOOL CONCURRENCY HAS ALSO BEEN REVIEWED, AND THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY TO SERVE THE PROJECTED STUDENTS GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S CAPACITY AT HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL, CENTRAL MIDDLE SCHOOL AND MULTIPLE OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, PER THEIR REPORT. A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, ALONG WITH SIGNAL WARRANT STUDIES AT KEY INTERSECTIONS.

THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION FEES OVER $15 MILLION, AND IS ANTICIPATED TO EXCEED THAT THROUGH ADDITIONAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT CONTRIBUTIONS, AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. LINAA HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN A STRONG PARTNER WITH THE CITY, CONTRIBUTING OVER $6 MILLION FOR THE EAST COMMUNITIES AND MORE THAN $9 MILLION TOWARD OTHER PROJECTS IN PALM BAY. IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT EVELYN'S WEST WILL CONTRIBUTE AN ADDITIONAL $15 MILLION FOLLOWING FINAL CONSTRUCTION.

WE ALSO AGREE WITH STAFF'S CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANT STUDY BE COMPLETED AND SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE SECOND CITY COUNCIL READING.

THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS A STRONG FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.

LEONARD'S EXISTING PROJECTS WITHIN PALM BAY HAVE ALREADY CONTRIBUTED OVER $23.8 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES.

WITH EVERLANE'S WEST, IT'S PROJECTED THAT AN ADDITIONAL 36.4 MILLION WILL BE GENERATED SUPPORTING ESSENTIAL SERVICES INCLUDING FIRE PARKS, POLICE, TRANSPORTATION AND WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

AS SHOWN EARLIER, LENNAR HELPED FUND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND INSTALLATION OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, EMERSON DRIVE AND PACE DRIVE CONNECTIONS, ALONG WITH OVER SEVEN MILES OF UTILITY MAINS AND EXTENSION FOR THE FPL EMERSON DRIVE FOR FUTURE SIGNALS.

IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUE, EVELYNN'S WEST IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $11.5 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR BREVARD COUNTY.

AT FULL BUILD OUT, WITH ABOUT $4 MILLION OF THAT GOING TO THE CITY.

AND FOR CONTEXT, THE EXISTING LENNAR COMMUNITIES OF EDGEWOOD TIMBERS AND RIVERWOOD AND TILLMAN ARE CURRENTLY GENERATING ABOUT 9.5 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR THE COUNTY AND THREE AND A HALF FOR THE CITY. IN CLOSING, THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, AND REPRESENTS THE FINAL PHASE OF A LONG STANDING COMMUNITY VISION.

IT PROVIDES MEANINGFUL PUBLIC BENEFITS, INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION, AND ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE GREG PETTIBON TO SPEAK.

THE CURRENT VICE PRESIDENT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR LENNAR.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GREG PETTIBON.

I'M WITH LENNAR FOR SEVEN YEARS. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT I APPRECIATE EACH OF YOU AND YOUR SERVICE.

I TOO. I SERVE AS THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE PNC BOARD WHERE I LIVE IN PORT SAINT LUCIE, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME.

ALSO, TO SIT IN AS A MEMBER OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND DO YOUR BEST TO REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE SACRIFICE THAT YOU GUYS DO.

I KNOW IT'S MAYBE 1 OR 2 NIGHTS A MONTH, BUT IT IS A REAL IMPACT AND IT IS A REAL CONTRIBUTION THAT YOU GIVE TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO JUST JUST BRIEFLY, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT WE DO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL THAT WITH A LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, AND WE DO LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACTUALLY, WE DO LARGE AND WE DO SMALL.

AND WHEN WE DO LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GENUINE ISSUES THAT COMMUNITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES FACE.

VERY CHIEF AMONGST THEM IS TRAFFIC. UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER, SCHOOL VERSUS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. I WOULD SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER, BUT ALSO AS A HOME BUILDER, WE ARE THE END USER.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET AN APPROVAL ON THE PROPERTY TO SELL TO A BUILDER.

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WE DO CREATE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DO TRY TO CREATE AS QUALITY A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE CAN.

SO WE, WE ARE ACTUALLY HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO POINT OUT IS A LOT OF WHAT WE PUT AND EVERYBODY PUTS IN PRESENTATIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL RENDERINGS AND THEY DO PAINT AN ATTRACTIVE PICTURE OF WHAT COULD BE.

I THINK THIS SLIDE DOES A LOT TO ACTUALLY SHOW A PHOTOGRAPH, AN ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH OF A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHERE WE ACTUALLY SHOW UP AND PERFORM.

SO WE SHOW UP, WE PERFORM WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE SHOULD BE PERFORMED WITH THE COMMUNITY ELEMENTS.

THE PRESENTATION. THE CONSERVATION. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE TECHNICALLY FOR FOR OPERATIONS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WE'VE CONSIDERED OURSELVES PARTNERS WITH THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME, BOTH WITH EVELYNN'S.

WE'VE BEEN BUILDING ALONGSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE NOT THE DEVELOPER OF.

WE'RE JUST A HOME BUILDER WITHIN TILLMAN LAKES.

WE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDER FOR EMERALD LAKES DOWN OFF THE SITE JOHNS PARKWAY.

WE DID PURCHASE THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENTS OF THAT.

WE ARE ACTUALLY ACTING AS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER OF SORTS FOR THAT LARGER PROJECT.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE OUR OWN SCATTERED SPOT LOT PROGRAM IN THE CITY.

BUT I MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE BETWEEN OUR PROJECT AND OUR EMERALD LAKES PROJECT YOU KNOW, AS I, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO DO, WE'RE INTERESTED TO DO AND THAT WE ARE DOING, I THINK THESE NUMBERS ACTUALLY SPEAK, SPEAK VOLUMES TO WHERE ON EVELYN'S, YOU KNOW, YEARS BACK, WE HAD UTILITY ISSUES. I THINK THE CITY IS WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THOSE UTILITY ISSUES.

THERE WAS NO UTILITY SERVICE TO THIS AREA, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE COMMUNITY.

THE CITY HAD UTILITY CHALLENGES. SO AHEAD OF NEED, WE WE PAID APPROXIMATELY $7 MILLION AND RAN THREE AND A HALF MILES OF WATER.

MAIN AND FORCE MAIN WAS A BIG INVESTMENT. AND IT WAS A BIG INVESTMENT THAT WE PUT AGAINST THE FUTURE OF THIS PROJECT, BUT ALSO AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. CURRENTLY, WE'RE UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW WITH A $12 MILLION PROJECT TO BRING WATER AND SEWER DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY TO THE EVELYNN'S, I'M SORRY, TO THE EMERALD LAKES AREA AND SOME OF THE SUPPORTING PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA. SO JUST IN WATER AND SEWER WITHIN THE CITY, WE'RE WE'RE 19 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.

VESTED WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY. AND THEN AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT JUST WITH IMPACT FEES, TAXES, FEES, AND JUST THE, THE HOMES THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE BUILT.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY THAT DOES SIT IN YOUR CHAIR ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH, DEPENDING UPON WHAT GOES ON IN MY WORLD.

YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT LIKE THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT YOU COME THROUGH THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU LOOK AT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF IT.

AND THEN YOU, OBVIOUSLY, YOU LOOK AT THE LEGALITY OF THE APPROVAL AND THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY.

BUT THEN ALSO THERE'S PROJECTS WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU HOPE THAT YOU'RE FEELING GOOD, THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING A SMART DEVELOPMENT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS HAVING THAT PERSPECTIVE AND WORKING IN THIS INDUSTRY NOW 24 YEARS, WE LIKE TO THINK AND I LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COME FORWARD WITH SMART DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY DOES ITS BEST TO PAY ITS WAY.

SO WHETHER THAT'S ROADWAY UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, HOT BUTTON ISSUES HERE, FIRE PROTECTION, POLICE PROTECTION.

WE ARE ENGAGED IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE GROUPS AND WE ARE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE AND CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.

SO THANK YOU ALL AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARING? I HAD A QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF THE VALUE OR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SELLING THE UNITS FOR? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION OR NOT, BUT IT'S A QUESTION I DON'T THINK WE'VE ASKED IT BEFORE AND I DON'T HEAR THE LAWYER SPEAKING UP. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. I MEAN, THE BEST THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE ARE SELLING SIMILAR PRODUCT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME.

I TRY TO KEEP 31 NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY IN MY BRAIN AND SOMETHING NEW COMES IN.

SOMETHING FALLS OUT. I BELIEVE WE ARE IN THE HIGH TWOS TO MAYBE HIGH FOURS DEPENDING UPON ACTUAL WHICH, WHICH HOMES TYPES THEY ARE. BUT OUR WEBSITE HAS ALL THE PRICING AND, YOU KNOW IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY IT VARIES.

OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSING MARKET RIGHT NOW IS, IS NOT STRONG.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO GENERALLY TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CATER TO THAT LOWER TWO THIRDS OF THE MARKET WITH OUR HOMES.

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SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAD AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION? IT WAS MENTIONED. SORRY. THE THE FIRST WOMAN THAT SPOKE I'M BAD WITH NAMES.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR SOMETHING SIMILAR IN 2022. WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL BACK THEN? BY THE CITY COUNCIL. DO YOU MIND IF I. SURE. JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANNA SANDERS WITH LJ, AND I WAS PRESENTING THAT EVENING.

SO THE THE HISTORY OF THAT PROJECT IS IT ACTUALLY HAD A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.

WE WENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR IT. WERE AFFORDED THE SAME UNANIMOUS APPROVAL, WENT TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT FOR REVIEW, CAME BACK WITH ZERO COMMENTS, CAME BACK FOR OUR SECOND HEARING IN BETWEEN OUR FIRST AND SECOND HEARING CITY STAFF HAD INDICATED, OR MAYBE CITY COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO INTRODUCE A NEW CONCEPT OF INCLUDING COMMERCIAL PARCELS IN PUDS.

THIS PROJECT AT THE TIME DID NOT INCORPORATE ANY COMMERCIAL PARCELS WITHIN IT.

AND THE IT FAILED BECAUSE OF A TIE VOTE. THAT EVENING'S EVENT, THERE WERE ONLY FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE.

JUST BEING CAUGHT UP IN THE IN THE MOMENT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHILE I WAS AT THE DAIS, I DID NOT HAVE THE POWER AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO OFFER COMMERCIAL PARCELS. AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE GREG WANTS TO JUMP IN AND IF I MAY GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL COLOR AND INSIGHT INTO THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S OFTEN FORGOT, THE PROJECT IS A VERY LONG RUNNING PROJECT AND IT IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF A LARGER PICTURE SITE PLAN, BUT THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL THAT'S CARVED OUT OF THE PROPERTY THAT LINAA SLASH MELROSE OWNS.

AND WHEN WE GOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, WE GOT INVOLVED WITH A COMMERCIAL PARTNER.

IT'S A GROUP BY ASCOT AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN WITH US OUT HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THEY'VE ONLY RECENTLY, IN THE LAST TWO PLUS YEARS, BEEN ABLE TO START GETTING SOME MOMENTUM WITH THEIR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

SO IF YOU'VE NOTICED, THEY HAVE PROPERTY AT EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

THEY ALSO HAVE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKWAY, AND OUR ORIGINAL ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM IS LINAA IS.

WE'RE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDER. WE'RE NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDER. WE, WE HAVE ONLY A MARGINAL NOTION OF MULTIFAMILY OURSELVES, WHICH IS WHY THAT 240 UNIT MULTIFAMILY SITE ACROSS THE STREET WILL BE PROBABLY A LONGER TERM ISSUE FOR US.

OUR ITEM FOR US BUT WHEN THE PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE IN THE ORIGINAL, IN THE EARLY 2000 AND THE LAND WAS PURCHASED AND IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW PUT INTO, PUT INTO THE PUT INTO THE LENNAR VERSE, OUR WORLD WE BROUGHT IN A GROUP BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER.

SO I HAVE SEPARATE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM. WE TAKE THEIR DRAINAGE, WE PROVIDE ACCESS.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DID BECAUSE THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT AND WE WERE ASKED FOR COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATED THAT. AGAIN, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WORK ALONGSIDE THEM OR WE'LL WORK ALONGSIDE THE CITY TO, TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PROPERTY. SO, OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.

MR. WARNER HAD A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

YOU WERE NEXT IN LINE, BUT I'M TRYING TO KEEP YOU STRAIGHT. I'M TRYING TO KEEP YOU STRAIGHT. GO AHEAD.

MR.. WARNER. ALL RIGHT. MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY, I HAVE.

YEAH. TWO. THE WIDENING OF MALABAR ROAD WEST AND EAST.

ARE YOU ALL CONTRIBUTING TO THAT AT ALL? I WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO SPEAK TO MY MY ENGINEERING TEAM.

IN TRUTH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I WOULD TELL YOU I FACE AND I KNOW YOU GUYS FACE AS WELL TRAFFIC STUDIES AND I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. AND IN A SENSE, WE ARE WITH SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF ROADWAY IMPACT FEES THAT WE'VE PAID PER UNIT THAT THAT GO TO OFFSET. AND I'M SURE YOU GENTLEMEN KNOW HOW THE IMPACT FEE SCENARIO WORKS.

SO IN A SENSE, I'M CERTAIN THAT WE'VE PAID SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY PROBABLY AT THIS POINT, MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT OFFSET WHAT WE'VE BUILT SO FAR WITH THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY THOSE HOMES AND I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS MODIFIED THEIR, THEIR CODE AND POLICY.

IF I MISSPEAK SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT ME WHERE NOW YOU PAY YOUR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES UP FRONT WITH PLAT APPROVAL IS,

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BUT ARE WE ARE WE DIRECTLY WRITING A CHECK AT THIS POINT FOR ANYTHING ON MALABAR? I DON'T BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES, AND WE MAY HAVE IMPROVEMENTS NOTED, BUT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY.

SO LET ME ASK SO SO YOUR TEAM YOU ARE. IS THERE ANY KIND OF AN EXIT STRATEGY FOR THE FOR THE RESIDENTS? THAT'S THAT'S DONE. AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT IS THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. IS THERE ANY KIND OF AN EXIT STRATEGY FOR, FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE BUYING HOMES DOWN THERE? OUT, OUT IN AT THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

SO EXIT STRATEGY TO YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE COMMUNITY, LEAVE, LEAVE THEIR HOMES OR, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC TRAFFIC IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE THAT THERE'S A MAJOR FIRE.

I MEAN, YEARS AGO WE HAD A MAJOR FIRE. EVERYBODY COME INTO THE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE FIRE COMPONENT. I HAVE A GRANDFATHER AND A BROTHER AND SOON TO BE A NEPHEW THAT ARE FIREMEN, SO I, I WENT A DIFFERENT ROUTE IN LIFE, BUT SO ON THAT FRONT, I THINK THE EXIT STRATEGY IS I THINK WE HAVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE DENOTED IN SOME OF OUR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT IT'S PREMATURE TO SPEAK AT LENGTH OR REPRESENT ANY TYPE OF COMMITMENT THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THE CITY IN ADDITION TO THE FEES BUT QUITE FRANKLY, WE, WE BUILD MAJOR ROADS AND WE AGAIN, PAY FOR OFFSETS, BOTH WITH CHECKS AND ALSO WITH PAYMENT DRAWS TO BUILD ROADS.

SO I, IF I CAN HELP, JUST MAYBE ANSWER THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.

MR.. WARNER. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE POINTS OF CONNECTION FROM THIS COMMUNITY TO THE PARKWAY.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS RECENTLY OR IS ABOUT TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN OF THE FOUR LANING SECTION OF THE PARKWAY FROM MALABAR TO THE NORTH CITY LIMITS.

THAT WILL FURTHER OPEN UP THAT CORRIDOR TO ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE WIDENING OF MALABAR ROAD.

I DO BELIEVE, AND I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF ME THIS EVENING, BUT I DO BELIEVE A PORTION OF THE EASTERN SECTIONS OF THE PROJECT DID CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE. SO CASH MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY FOR THOSE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT THE PROJECT, CALLED MALABAR SPRINGS, THAT IS LOCATED AT THE VERY WESTERN END OF THAT.

SO JUST WEST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL THERE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE THAT WAS PAID UP IN FRONT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT HAS WAS WAS ALREADY PAID TO THE CITY.

I WANT TO TELL YOU IT WAS $10 MILLION, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT NUMBER.

I'LL HAVE THAT NUMBER NEXT TIME I'M IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ANOTHER PROJECT SO I CAN BRING IT UP.

BUT THOSE DOLLARS WERE SPECIFICALLY, AND I DON'T WANT TO USE A DIRTY WORD, BUT THEY WERE EARMARKED OR BOOKSHELF FOR THAT.

SO THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO FOR THAT PROJECT, IN PARTICULAR, THE DOLLARS THAT ARE GENERATED FROM IT. AND AGAIN, THE CITY ALREADY HAS THAT CHECK, CASH IN HAND OR SPECIFICALLY DENOTED TO BE MADE FOR THOSE FOUR LANING IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT PARTICULAR CORRIDOR, SO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PARKWAY AND INCLUDED DOLLARS TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL. SO THAT WAS HANDLED THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROJECT, AT LEAST BY A PORTION.

AND IF I MAY, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND THANKS TO MY TEAM FOR HANDING THIS TO ME.

SO OUR EXISTING COMMUNITY FOR SPECIFIC FOR TRAFFIC WILL HAVE PAID ABOUT $9.3 MILLION INTO THE CITY WITH ROADWAY IMPACT FEES.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES THOSE ARE DENOTED FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS AND OTHER TIMES THEY'RE USED BY THE CITY SPECIFIC FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, THIS THIS PROJECT WOULD CONTRIBUTE AT THE CURRENT FEE LEVEL.

AGAIN, FEES TYPICALLY DO GO UP. WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 PLUS MILLION, ABOUT 15.1 MILLION IN TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE EAGER TO WE'RE EAGER TO ENGAGE WITH THE CITY ON THE PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW EXIST OUT THERE.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS TO CAREFULLY WORD THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOOD UTILITY BUILDERS AND WE'RE GOOD ROAD BUILDERS.

SO THOSE ARE BEYOND MAYBE THE SCOPE OF THIS MEETING.

AND WHAT I CAN I CAN POUND THE TABLE AND COMMIT TO, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE KEEN TO DO AND DO, DO DAILY. SO ONE, ONE LAST POINT. I WOULD MENTION THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T OFTEN GET CREDIT FOR, BUT WE ALSO BENEFIT FROM IT TOO WAS THAT WE DONATED ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PARKWAY, WE DONATED IT FOR PACE AND EMERSON. THE CONNECTIONS IN AND WE ALSO HAVE THROUGH AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, WE TAKE ALL THAT DRAINAGE IN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND TREAT IT AND THEN HANDLE THE DRAINAGE AND THE WATER QUALITY FOR THAT.

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BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR THE CONCISE PRESENTATION.

I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO CLOSE.

ONE THING THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE EMERGENCY EXITS IS GATES.

ARE THERE GOING TO BE GATES AT THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS, OR ARE THOSE.

IS IT A GATED COMMUNITY? WE ARE LOOKING TO DO GATES, AND MOST OF THE TIME, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY TWO THIRDS OR MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE DO GATES. WE GENERALLY DO AND NOT GENERALLY, BUT WE ALWAYS DO DESIGN THOSE GATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL STANDARDS FOR FIRE ACCESS AND TRUCK ACCESS BUSSES. AND NOW THEY EVEN LOOK AT THEM FOR AMAZON.

SO, SO YEAH, THEY WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT LIKE WALKABLE, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, EASILY ACCESSED.

AND THEN THERE'S GATES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT PUBLIC, IT'S PRIVATE.

CORRECT. THE WHOLE THING BE PRIVATELY OWNED TOO, IS THERE? THERE'S AN HOA OBVIOUSLY IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND THIRD, IS THERE INSTITUTIONAL END WOULD.

WOULD INSTITUTIONAL LIKE BLACKROCK OR WHATEVER BE ABLE TO BUY UP THE HOUSES IN THE.

THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE A PRIVATE BUYER. I MEAN, I ASSUME THEY COULD TO TO BE QUITE FRANK.

I BELIEVE AT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN RECENTLY PASSED IN THE LAST YEAR.

AGAIN, I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM WHAT I, WHAT I SAW IN THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS MAYBE A MONTH AGO.

I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN SOME FORM OF LEGISLATION OR EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT'S THAT DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE I BELIEVE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. THE FACT OF THAT, BUT WE, WE GENERALLY ALTHOUGH WE DO SELL HOMES IN THAT, THAT ARENA. NOT, NOT TO A BLACKROCK, BUT WE DO WE DO HAVE AN INTERNAL GROUP THAT WE DO WORK WITH.

AGAIN, BECAUSE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS NOT NOTHING'S DENOTED HERE.

SOME COMMUNITIES WE DO DO THAT BUT NOT, WE'VE NOT DONE ANYTHING HERE ON THE 16 PLUS HUNDRED HOMES THAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

WE'VE ENVISIONED THIS FOR A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT ON A LONG ENOUGH TIMELINE, THEY'LL OWN EVERYTHING, BUT IF IT'S NOT STOPPED AT AN INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL, WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE NOT. IN FACT, GENERALLY, AND I THINK THE CULTURE OF OF LENNAR IS THAT WE, WE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, BUT I KNOW THAT LENNAR IS MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS RIGHT NOW IN THE NOTION THAT YOU KNOW, THE AMERICAN DREAM IS, IS BECOMING A CHALLENGE FOR PEOPLE.

AFFORDABILITY IS BECOMING A CHALLENGE FOR PEOPLE. HOMEOWNERSHIP IS ONE OF THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF, OF WEALTH. SO HAVING INDIVIDUALS BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOMES VERSUS INSTITUTIONS, RIGHT? IS QUITE IMPORTANT TO US. SO I KNOW THAT LENNAR FOUNDATION AND THE COMPANY AS A WHOLE IS KEEN TO INVOLVE AND, AND BE INVOLVED IN THAT EFFORT, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO REACH BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

YEAH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER. YEAH. SO ANOTHER THING.

THIS IS ALSO LARGER. PROBABLY PULL ME BACK IF IT'S TOO LARGE, BUT THIS WILL BE NOT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.

RIGHT? IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. SO PORTIONS WOULD BE AND I SAY THAT FROM A WALKABILITY STANDPOINT YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE PARKWAY, THERE WOULD BE AREAS INSIDE. BUT AS, AS IT STANDS, I MEAN, I THINK RIGHT NOW THE INTENTION IS THAT IT WOULD BE A GATED NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? THERE MAY BE PORTIONS OF IT THAT WOULD BE GATED.

OTHER PORTIONS ARE THEY'RE NOT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE PROVISIONED IT FOR LARGE GATES, BUT WE'VE ALSO, IN A WAY, PROVISIONED IT SO THAT CERTAIN PODS COULD BE BROKEN OFF AND NON GATED, AGAIN, LOOKING TO KIND OF GET TO A, NOT ONLY A HOME PRICE POINT, BUT A PRICE POINT THAT LETS DIFFERENT BUYERS GET INTO DIFFERENT.

JUST TO CUT TO THE CHASE, HERE'S MY QUESTION. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES POLITICALLY ON SOME OF THESE STREETS, THEY COULD BE ASKED TO LEAVE, OR IF SOMEONE WANTED TO EXPRESS THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ON SOME OF THESE STREETS, THEY COULD BE ASKED TO LEAVE BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS JUST KIND OF LIKE TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.

IT'S JUST BEING CHEWED UP PIECE BY PIECE, WHICH THIS DEVELOPMENT SOUNDS GREAT, AS YOU KNOW, IS WHAT IT IS. BUT OVERALL, YOU JUST SEE THIS LIKE EROSION OF OUR RIGHTS FROM THE PUBLIC SPHERE.

LIKE YOU CAN BARELY GO OUT IN PUBLIC AND PRACTICE YOUR RIGHTS ANYMORE. AND NOW I THINK THAT IS KIND OF OVERSHOOTING THIS. I'M WAY OVER HERE. I'M WAY OVER.

SO I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IN TRUTH, I HAVE SOME LIKE MINDED OPINIONS AND SOME LIKE MINDED CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU THAT I DON'T THINK I'M QUITE SURE OUR HOA DON'T DON'T NEGATE ANYTHING WITH SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A SECOND AMENDMENT, RIGHT.

I DO SHARE THAT PERSONAL CONCERN MYSELF. YOU KNOW ORIENTED THAT WAY A LITTLE BIT IN MY OWN POLITICAL THINKING AND SERVICE IN THE

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FIRST AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT. NO, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, RIGHT? IT'S ALL OPPORTUNITIES AND EVERYTHING. I'M JUST GOING OFF ON MY TANGENT.

NO, I AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S. BRING IT BACK. MR. MCNALLY, I THINK YOU HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO FURTHER CLARIFY, AND I SAW ON THE REPORT AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN IT WAS NOTED A LITTLE BIT.

JUST TO CONFIRM, THE CAPACITY ADD ON ELEMENTARY WOULD BE 300 PLUS STUDENTS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT I READ THAT RIGHT.

HOPEFULLY I READ IT CORRECTLY. AND THEN HIGH SCHOOL WAS ROUGHLY 160 AND THAT WOULD BE AT CAPACITY AT THE 20 YEAR MARK.

CORRECT. OR WOULD THAT BE AT CERTAIN PHASES? SO WHEN WE SUBMITTED THIS PRELIMINARY DOCUMENT, WE GAVE THEM ALL OF OUR UNITS UP FRONT WITH THAT KIND OF PHASED CAPACITY.

SO I BELIEVE WHAT YOU HAVE REFERENCED IS ACCURATE.

THEY WENT OUT TO, I THINK IT WAS 2029 IN THEIR FINDINGS INITIALLY.

SO YES SIR. I THINK I BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID IS ACCURATE.

OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S IT'S UP TO 2029.

SO IT. ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. HEARING NONE I'M GOING TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL OF THOSE WHO WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. OKAY. ALL OF THOSE FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. MY PRIMARY REASON FOR SPEAKING AGAINST IS BECAUSE I'M KIND OF ANTI-GROWTH RIGHT NOW IN THE WAY THAT THE CITY IS GROWING, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT'S A BAD PROJECT. IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S MY PRIMARY REASON WHY I'M SPEAKING AGAINST IT.

BUT IN ORDER FOR YOU TO TO DENY, YOU NEEDED SOME SPECIFICATIONS OF THAT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND I'M GOING TO REVERT BACK DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE AT TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A NON AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT FOR POLICE.

I MEAN FOR FIRE THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ADDRESSED A NON AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT FOR POLICE.

SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THEY'VE ONLY DESIGNATED IT FOR CERTAIN AREAS.

AND WHAT REPRESENTATIVES FOR ONE OF THOSE AREAS IS IN THIS GROUP THEN.

SO IT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS. IF WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICES, IT'S GREAT.

THEY'RE PROVIDING IMPACT FEES, BUT THE IMPACT FEES ONLY MEET THIS MUCH OF A BUDGET REQUIREMENT THAT'S THIS BIG.

SO THE GROWTH IS REQUIRED. WE NEVER MEET JUST BY THE IMPACT FEES.

WE NEVER MEET THE ACTUAL NEED OF THE CITY. RIGHT.

AND THAT WAS THAT LEADS ME TO THE NEXT PORTION WAS BECAUSE OF THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE CITY OF PALM BAY JUST SHOT DOWN LOTUS PALMS DEVELOPMENT AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS IN THE RIGHT, CONNECTED TO EMERALD LAKES.

SO IF THEY'RE SETTING THAT CRITERIA NOW, IT JUST BRINGS THE FEAR OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BRING INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES NOT COME UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE THE APPROVAL.

SO YOU MAKE THE APPROVAL FIRST, AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH THE.

WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF AGREEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GO BACK ONCE YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT.

SO THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN THERE, RIGHT? THEN THE NEXT ONE FOR A DIFFERENT TOPIC WAS ACCESS ONTO SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN NOW, BUT WE'RE WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME JUST GETTING THE PEOPLE FROM THE EAST ON THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY ACROSS PAYSON EMERSON ROAD, WHICH IS GOING TO ADD THAT MUCH MORE. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE GOING TO COME IN THERE.

ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE ENTRANCES BEFORE AND AFTER PAYSON EMERSON? SO JUST I'M TRYING TO HELP MAKE SURE WE ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC JAM.

AND REMEMBER THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 2004. THAT'S BASICALLY WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED.

WE'RE NOW IN 2016. AT SOME POINT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BEING PRESENTED AND TALKED TO.

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THAT'S NOT THE CASE. NOW, THERE ARE A TIMELINE DOES EVENTUALLY RUN OUT ON PROJECTS, SO I CAN'T SEE OTHER ANY REASON OTHER THAN LEVEL OF SERVICE COMMITMENT WHERE YOU COULD DENY IT.

OTHER THAN THAT, AS ALWAYS, THEY MAKE A GOOD PRESENTATION.

THEY SHOW WHERE THEY'RE TRYING AND THEY SHOW WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO INVEST. UNFORTUNATELY, THE INVESTMENT AND GROWTH IN THE CITY NEVER EQUALS WHAT IT COSTS THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN IT OR TO BUILD IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK WHAT THE WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY HOLD UP WAS? IS THERE A STEP BACK TO THAT AFTER WE DO THE.

I THINK THEY'RE JUST STILL COMPLETING IT.

TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. MY NAME IS JUSTIN SITZMAN.

I'VE BEEN A LONGTIME PALM BAY RESIDENT HERE LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BACK WHEN TRAFFIC WASN'T QUITE AS HORRIFIC AS IT IS NOW.

I THINK MY MAIN MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS NOT JUST THE, THE TRAFFIC IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE NORTHWEST PALM BAY AND THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY OR 95, RIGHT? YOU CAN GO UP THE PARKWAY, YOU CAN TAKE PALM BAY ROAD ACROSS.

YOU CAN TAKE MINTON KIND OF AT A WEIRD ANGLE, AND YOU CAN GO DOWN ON MALABAR ROAD AND ADDING THIS NUMBER OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

AND IT WAS STATED, WAS IT SOMEWHERE LIKE 2300 INDIVIDUAL OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.

NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT? SO A NUMBER OF THOSE ARE MULTIFAMILY.

SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE HIGHER.

THAT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY REALLY, REALLY SATURATED.

AND IT'S ONCE YOU GET TO THE POINT OF SATURATION, THEN THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S DRIVING, PEOPLE'S COMMUTING TO AND FROM WORK, IT JUST HITS THE, IT GOES ASYMPTOTIC, RIGHT? AND IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE WHEN I USED TO LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST PALM BAY FOR ME TO GET TO WORK, IT WOULD TAKE ME LIKE MAYBE 20 MINUTES, 25 MINUTES.

ORIGINALLY AFTER A FEW YEARS THAT GOT UP TO IT WAS LIKE MORE THAN AN HOUR.

I STARTED RIDING MY BIKE TO WORK BECAUSE IT WAS JUST LIKE IT WAS NO, NO, NO.

IT TOOK ME, IT TOOK ME LESS TIME TO RIDE MY BIKE THAN THAN TO BE STUCK IN TRAFFIC ON PALM BAY ROAD, DOING WHAT WE ALL LOVE THE LEAST OF ALL. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY A TAX ON THE COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S A TAX THAT'S PAID BY PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T GET.

ANY KIND OF BENEFIT FROM IT. IF YOU SPEND AN EXTRA HOUR OF YOUR LIFE.

IN, IN TRAFFIC, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 6% OF YOUR WAKING HOURS.

THAT'S A TAX THAT'S PAID BY PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T GET ANY KIND OF BENEFIT FROM IT.

AND I JUST SEE A HUGE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL TIME THAT'S GOING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEND STUCK IN TRAFFIC.

AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ONLY BASICALLY FOUR CONNECTIONS TO NORTHWEST PALM BAY OUT TO LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO.

AND SHY OF MAKING SHY OF LIKE WIDENING THOSE ROADS INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLING UP THE, THE SIZE OF A ROAD, WHICH, WHICH NECESSITATES EMINENT DOMAIN.

THE ONLY OTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO CUT NEW ROADS THROUGH, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

SO I SEE THE JUST THE, THE FUNDAMENTAL WAY THAT PALM BAY WAS LAID OUT LONG AGO MAKES IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO.

TO STUFF MORE PEOPLE INTO THAT AREA OF THE CITY.

I HAVE VERY, VERY HEAVY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE ADDRESSED.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE MY MAIN THAT'S MY MAIN STATEMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN TERMS OF AGAINST THIS REQUEST? OH, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO END THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED AND INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP AND TO SPEAK TO COMMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THEY WOULD LIKE.

AGAIN, GREG, FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH THE GENTLEMEN FOR THEIR COMMENTS, THEIR PERSPECTIVES. AND THEY ARE THEY ARE NOT WITHOUT THEIR OWN MERITS.

AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED VERY, VERY CRUCIALLY TO KEEP IN MIND IS, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS AND CONSTRUCTION AS A WHOLE, IT DOES CREATE IMPACTS AND THERE IS THE IMPACT FEE ARRANGEMENT, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO PERFORMING, RIGHT? SO PERFORMING WITH, YOU KNOW, UTILITY CONSTRUCTION,

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IT'S FAIRLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE.

WE ARE EAGER FOR MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH POLICE AND FIRE.

IN MY PAST FOUR YEARS AGO, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP BUILD A FIRE STATION IN BROWARD COUNTY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE SCOPE HERE, BUT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH BOTH THOSE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC, I MIGHT ASK IF MY TRAFFIC CONSULTING TEAM CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC POINTS. AND AGAIN, I DO THINK BOTH THE GENTLEMAN FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND I, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE, THE, THE, THE MOST HONEST AND TRANSPARENT THING TO SAY TO THEM BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR MERITS, RIGHT? SO FIRE AND POLICE ARE REAL ISSUES THAT ARE FACED NOT ONLY HERE BUT IN OTHER, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

I CAN'T REVERSE HOW THAT'S BEEN MANAGED. SAME THING WITH THE TRAFFIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD RELATIVE TO OUR ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CITY AGAIN, NOT ONLY JUST WITH WITH IMPACT FEES, BUT ALSO WITH PERFORMANCE ITEMS. WE ARE COMMITTED TO, TO JUMP IN AND BED TOGETHER.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS GENTLEMAN, I SAW HIS RESUME MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

HE'S MUCH SMARTER THAN ME. SO I SEE HIM COMING TO THE EDGE OF THE CHAIR.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD. AND WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, SO I MIGHT AS WELL HEAR FROM HIM.

GOOD EVENING, JOSH FLAGG, ALASKA TRANSPORTATION GROUP.

I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT I ALSO SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE TIMING OF THE STUDY THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AS WELL. SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH THAT.

IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, THIS PRELIMINARY PROCESS MOST JURISDICTIONS DON'T REQUIRE THE FULL ENTIRE PHASE ANALYSIS, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE KIND OF AN OVERALL LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SO IN 2032, WHEN THIS IS BUILT OUT OR 20, 38 YOU KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE.

AND SO WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND THEY'VE BEEN FANTASTIC.

AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH US TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE STUDIES THAT THE CITY FUNDED. YOU KNOW, FOR THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION MODELS BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

AND SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE FIGURED OUT THE TOTAL IMPACTS, AND NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ASSIGNING THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW? SO WHAT BROKE AS A RESULT OF THE PROJECT? NOW WE'RE ASSIGNING THOSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PHASES AND WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.

AND SO PRIOR TO THE SECOND COUNCIL READING, WE'LL HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL STUDIES COMPLETED TO IDENTIFY AT WHAT POINT THOSE SIGNALS ARE REQUIRED ON THE PARKWAY. LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

OR IF NOT AT THIS POINT. YEAH. IS THAT A QUESTION? JUST YOU MENTIONED FOR THE TIMING SPRING BREAK JUST HAPPENED.

SUMMER IS COMING UP. YOU DON'T PLAN TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY DURING SUMMER, RIGHT? IT'LL BE DURING FULL SCHOOL TIME. YEAH. WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED DATA THAT WE'VE DONE THE OVERALL ANALYSIS FOR.

AND SO WE'VE GROWN OUT THE DATA TO THE FUTURE, BUILD OUT YEARS AND ALL OF THAT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'VE COLLECTED THE DATA.

YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S BEING COLLECTED THIS WEEK.

NOW THAT SPRING BREAK IS OVER TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CURRENT VOLUMES ARE.

AND THEN WE ONCE AGAIN, WE GROW OUT THE TRAFFIC.

WE FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH RATES AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE AT BUILD OUT TO SEE WHEN DOES THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT, YOU KNOW, THIS DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTRANCE VERSUS THIS ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS WHAT PHASES ARE BEING BUILT.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHEN THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS SHOULD BE PUT IN, BECAUSE PUTTING ONE AT THE WRONG TIME DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP ANYTHING.

YOU ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. JUST HAVE YOU WHAT KIND OF WHEN YOU'RE COLLECTING THE DATA FOR THE TRAFFIC, ARE YOU TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS GOING AT THE SAME TIME. SO, SO OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TAKES ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THEIR BUILD OUT YEARS. AND IT TAKES THEIR THEIR VOLUMES AND PUTS IT INTO OUR MODEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, JUST THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

JUST THE APPROVED ONES. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FOR THE RESIDENT.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE THE PROJECTS THAT GIVE US THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

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DRIVING AROUND PALM BAY. SO NOW WE'VE GOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING IN WHERE OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO FIGHT FOR STATE FUNDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS AND THEN HOW TO FIX THEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET OUR MOTION PUT IN PLACE.

FOR CP 25 00005, ENTERTAINING A MOTION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY. AND IF YOU WILL, LOOK AT THE PAPERS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU, IT HAS THE SPECIFIC WORDINGS FOR THOSE WHO EVER LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY. LET'S PUT THE MOTION IN PLACE FIRST.

SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR A MOTION TO COULD WE COULD WE DO A CONDITION WHERE THERE'S NO INSTITUTIONAL PURCHASES ALLOWED? I HAVE TO ASK THE ATTORNEY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE SCOPE.

HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE SCOPE? YEAH. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY SO CAN I JUST CLARIFY AS TO YOUR YOUR QUESTION SO YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL OWNERSHIP OF THE, OF THE PROPERTIES ONCE THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED.

YEAH. AND THAT MAY BE A BIT TOO ONEROUS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S ON MY MIND.

LIKE, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT AT THIS LEVEL THAT WE'RE AT AT THE COMP PLAN ANALYSIS AND THE, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE REQUIREMENT.

SURE. WELL, SPEAKING OF LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE OUTSIDE OF MY PERSONAL FEELINGS FOR IT, I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE IT JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE PROPOSAL. WELL, ALL RIGHT, SO MOTION THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE.

TO APPROVE FROM MR. NORRIS. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT JUST TO OPEN CONVERSATION. OKAY.

WE'LL GO FROM THERE. YOU GUYS ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO TODAY.

WELL, THE DYNAMIC GOES OVER THERE. I KNOW, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE ONLY SPEAKING ON CP 25.

OH FIVE CORRECT. AND THAT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, THE 140,000FT² COMMERCIAL AREA.

CORRECT. FOR THE COMP PLAN. YES. FOR THE CONFERENCE, THE LAND USE CHANGE.

YES. YES. OKAY. SO SPEAKING ON THAT ONE ALONE I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THE CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS MORE WITH THE NEXT ITEMS WE'LL GET THERE.

BUT IF IT'S JUST FOR A COMMERCIAL USE, I MEAN, IT MEETS THE EXPECTATIONS.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO ACCEPT WITH CONDITION IF YOU WANT TO AMEND TO ACCEPT WITH CONDITION ABOUT THE COMPLETION OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE FIRE AND, AND POLICE SAFETY AS DENOTED IN THE THE STAFF REPORT.

BUT THAT, THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ONE. AND, AND THEN SO THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS.

WE'LL GET TO THE OTHER. SO JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

YOU MAY TAG ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, BUT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY TAGGING IT TO THIS ITEM.

I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO TAG TAG IT AND THE OTHER ITEM STAFF SUGGESTED TO APPROVE WITH CONDITION FOR THIS ITEM.

AND THEN I'LL EXPAND ON IT MORE FOR THIS FOR THE OTHER ITEM BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S MORE APPLICABLE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. SO I'M GOING TO PUT THAT DOWN. AND WHAT IS THE OTHER ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONDITION? THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED WERE THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE POLICE.

AND THEN THE FIRE CONCURRENCY THAT I BELIEVE THEY WERE STILL, THAT'S MORE THAN REASONABLE.

OKAY. I WAS GOING TO ASK JUST I'M SORRY, JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT.

JUST TO MAKE SURE. MR. NORRIS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW, MR. CATALANO, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION WITH CONDITIONS.

OKAY. AND SO MY QUESTION TO THE TO TO THE ATTORNEY IS CAN WE CAN WE ALSO KEEP THE CONDITION OF.

I MEAN, IN HER PRESENTATION, SHE MADE A VERY GOOD NOTE ABOUT THE LOW DENSITY, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD KEEP THAT ALSO AS A CONDITION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS LOW DENSITY.

I KNOW WE'RE CHANGING IT. CHANGING WHAT? TECHNICALLY, WE'RE ONLY ADDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO THIS PART OF IT.

SO IS THAT POSSIBLE? SO FOR MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

SO FOR PURPOSES OF THE APPLICATION, THAT'S BEFORE YOU.

CP 25 FIVE AND THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

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SO IT'S KIND OF ALL OR NOTHING. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK STAFF.

WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE IN THIS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY ARE NOT. I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I APOLOGIZE.

THEY'RE NOT REACHING THE MAXIMUM DENSITY BY FAR.

IT'S 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND IT'S OVER 1100 ACRES.

THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. THEY'RE ASKING FOR 2300 UNITS, WHICH IS WAY BELOW THE 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S ALMOST 30,000 UNITS. THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR 2300 UNITS. AND THAT WILL BE THAT'S PART OF THIS APPROVAL IS FOR THE PDP IS TO ALLOW THAT NUMBER OF UNITS. WHEN YOU GET TO THE PDP. BUT RIGHT NOW FOR JUST A COMPREHENSIVE CHANGE, THE LAND USE CHANGE, RIGHT? BUT THAT LAND USE CHANGE DOES ALLOW 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING THE 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THEY ARE ONLY DOING 2300. SO IT'S WELL BELOW AND I RESPECT THAT.

BUT I THINK WHAT I THINK, WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT DON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE IS LET'S JUST SAY SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE PROJECT.

THEN THEY COME IN AND ASK FOR A HIGHER DENSITY.

WELL, THAT APPLICATION IS HERE TONIGHT FOR THE PDP ASKING FOR THE ZONING FOR THE 2300 UNITS.

SO THAT APPLICATION IS THE PDP. YEAH. BUT WE I MEAN, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE 2300 UNITS TONIGHT WITH THEIR PDP APPLICATION.

SO YOU SAID THEY COULD COME IN AND CHANGE THAT.

THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE COMING IN WITH THE 2300 UNITS TONIGHT.

RIGHT? OKAY. MR.. MR.. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, JUST TECHNICALLY, I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO BE AWARE, TECHNICALLY A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN CAN BE AMENDED, BUT IT CAN ONLY DIFFER SO MUCH FROM THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CAN ONLY DIFFER SO MUCH FROM THE PRELIMINARY. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY.

ON THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING DENSITY.

BUT FOR PURPOSES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU'RE CORRECT.

WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE APPROVING, YOU'RE APPROVING IT TO THIS NEW LAND USE DESIGNATION AND WHATEVER COMES WITH THAT.

AS FAR AS DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WOULD BE APPROVED ALONG WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPROVAL.

SO YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IN STEPS, RIGHT? BUT AS MISS FLYNN POINTED OUT, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IS FOR MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ALLOWS.

RIGHT. MR.. SORRY. MR. MCNALLY, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT.

THIS IS MAYBE A DUMB QUESTION TO CLARIFY. SO WE APPROVED THIS APPLICANT WANTS TO PUT A BILLION HOMES ON THAT LAND.

COULD THEY PACK IN HOMES? COULD COULD THAT BE OR IS IT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE UNLESS I'M UNDERSTANDING THE PRESENTATION WRONG, THIS AND THAT, THAT AREA IS FOR THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THAT THEY ALLUDED TO IN THE PICTURES, UNLESS I'M HEARING SOMETHING TOTALLY WRONG. SO YOU ASKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION EARLIER, THE WHOLE ENCOMPASSING AREA EVELYNN'S EAST, THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT TIMBERS, RIVERWOOD, AND THEN THIS SIDE, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 4000 TOTAL. SO THEIR NET IS A 2300 ON THIS SIDE.

UNLESS THEY DON'T DO THE 240 UNITS ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO THEY CAN NEVER GO OVER THAT NET OF 4000 TOTAL ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE.

SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR 2300 THE MOST THAT THEY CAN ASK FOR MORE ON THE 2300 SIDE IS A 240.

IF THEY DON'T BUILD THAT MULTI-FAMILY ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO THEY WILL NEVER GO OVER 4000 TOTAL ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE.

THEY COULDN'T PUT IN A MILLION. OKAY. AND THAT WAS FOR AN ORDINANCE.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO CLEAN THIS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF GOT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS HERE.

SO FOR SHANDRA AND I SEE WE HAVE A STENOGRAPHER HERE.

SO LET'S GET THAT STRAIGHT. THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE FOR CP 20 5-00005 IS A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONTINGENCY THAT WE HAVE IS THAT IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANT STUDIES THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONTINGENCY CONCURRENCY THE FIRE CONCURRENCY AND THE POLICE CONCURRENCY. SO SURE.

GO AHEAD. SCHOOLS. OKAY. SO CONCURRENCY AS WELL.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT YOUR CONDITION AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE SCHOOL IS?

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SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE THAT TO TO SOME EXTENT.

WELL THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THERE'S A CONCERN CONCURRENCY NOW ON WHAT THE SCHOOL LEVEL WAS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY LIKE SCHOOL CAPACITIES.

YEAH, I THINK THEY CALLED IT CONCURRENCY. BUT YEAH, IF IT'S CAPACITY, YES.

I ALSO OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT SCHOOL. MAY I MAY I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? THEY, THEY CURRENTLY MEET THE PRELIMINARY SCHOOL CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDED.

THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO A FINAL CONCURRENCY REVIEW WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

OKAY. AND THAT, THAT CONCURRENCY COULD CHANGE OR STAY THE SAME.

WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COULD COME IN AT THAT TIME, GET APPROVED, START CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR EVALUATION.

SO RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR EVALUATION, IT'S MEETING SCHOOL CONCURRENT SCHOOL CONCURRENCY WITH THEIR PRELIMINARY EVALUATION.

BUT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT MAY CHANGE.

AND IF THAT DOES CHANGE, WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ANY MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE MEETING SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. YEP. SHE SAID.

OKAY, SO HONESTLY, THAT WOULDN'T BE A CONDITION THAT WE WOULD PUT BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BUILT IN.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THAT ONTO THE MOTION. I SAW THE HAND UP.

I'M SORRY. I'VE CLOSED IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING.

AND OUT OF THE SAKE OF TIME, WE DO NEED TO TO MOVE ALONG WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE WE BASICALLY GOT TO HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION AGAIN.

ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD RELATED TO THIS BEFORE I CALL FOR A MOTION? OKAY. ALL OF THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONTINGENCIES, AND THAT IS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. I APOLOGIZE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANT STUDIES THE PUBLIC SAFETY, CONCURRENCY, FIRE CONCURRENCY, AND POLICE CONCERN CONCURRENCY.

PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING I, I, I. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR TWO HOURS AND SEVEN MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT NEED A FEW MINUTES BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM? I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PD. YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE GOING TO HIT IT, I PROMISE.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY HAS TO USE THE RESTROOM. DON'T PUT THAT IN THERE.

A SHORT BREAK MIGHT BE GOOD. JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING HERE IN A SECOND. YEAH. LET'S TAKE A FEW MINUTES, THEN. WE'LL COME BACK AT TWO MINUTES PAST.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP ITEM NUMBER P D 20 5-00003.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK STAFF. YOU ARE ABOUT TO SAY, SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. WE ARE HERE JUST AT THIS POINT.

THE PUBLIC MADE THEIR COMMENTS ALREADY AND THE APPLICANT GAVE THEIR PRESENTATION.

SO NOW IT'S JUST TO MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY, SO THIS ONE IS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.

ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN'T. I'M GOING TO ASK THE LAWYER.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING.

DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM? SO I THINK MR. CHAIR, THAT THE INFORMATION WAS PRESENTED IN A COMBINED FASHION.

AND UNLESS THE APPLICANT OBJECTS, I THINK THEY PRESENTED ONE ONE PRESENTATION UNLESS THE APPLICANT OBJECTS, I THINK YOU HEARD EVERYTHING TOGETHER. AND IT'S JUST THE IDEA AT THE BEGINNING WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.

OKAY. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING FURTHER ABOUT THEIR APPLICATION? GREG VAUGHN FOR THE RECORD THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD THAT IS THAT WE, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S DECORUM YOU KNOW THAT, BUT WE DO REMAIN HERE READY TO RESPOND OR ENGAGE IN ANY CONVERSATIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND ASK FOR A MOTION BEFORE WE HAVE ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION ON PD 25 00003. I MOTION TO DENY PD 25 0003

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POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES. ALSO, THE INCOMPLETE TRAFFIC STUDY AND AND ALSO AS WELL AS IT WAS NOTED IN THE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE INFORMATION THAT IT DID NOT MEET, AT LEAST FOR ELEMENTARY, DID NOT MEET THE ADEQUACY OF CAPACITY THAT IS BEING FORECASTED.

THERE WAS OTHER SCHOOLS LISTED. BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE, THOSE WERE IN THEIR PRESENTATION, NOT THE STAFF REPORT. SO THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THAT.

I CAN EXPAND, BUT THAT'S THE CRITERIA IF YOU GUYS NEED ME TO EXPAND ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY, BUT REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, BEING A PALM BAY CITIZEN, IT'S, I CAN UNDERSTAND, I CAN GET, I CAN GET THE FEEDBACK AND, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE BEING ON PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND IN YOUR OWN AREA AND WHATNOT. BUT WE ARE FACING CHALLENGES AND IT IS ON THE ONUS OF THE APPLICANT TO SOLIDIFY AND TO REASSURE AND PROVIDE FACTUAL EVIDENCE, COMPLETE EVIDENCE THAT WE WILL BE FINE IN THESE INSTANCES.

THERE IS A HOST OF, THERE WAS A HOST OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA BEHIND HERITAGE NEXT TO HERITAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MALABAR.

ALL THOSE ROADS ARE TWO LANE. IT JUST PROVIDES A LOT OF CONCERN.

AND THAT JUST PUSHES INTO THE WHY, THE WHY WE HAVE THE WHY THE CRITERIA LISTED.

SO OKAY, THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY AND YOU'VE GIVEN FOR SPECIFIC MAY I CLARIFY ABOUT THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY? WELL, LET ME GET THE, LET ME GET THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR FIRST AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT TO DISCUSSION.

SO THE MOTION IS DENIED. THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT PIECES OF REASONING TO YOUR MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND TO OPEN DISCUSSION.

OKAY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SECONDED BY MR. MCNALLY.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S OKAY, MR. NORRIS. I MOTION TO SECOND.

YEAH. OH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SECOND MYSELF, I APOLOGIZE.

I, I APOLOGIZE. CHANDRA WILL FIX IT IN THE MINUTES, I PROMISE.

OKAY. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF FOR THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SCHOOL CAPACITY IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

WAS THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND IT DOES SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE A PAGE NUMBER ON IT.

IT'S THE SIXTH TO LAST PAGE, I BELIEVE. IT SAYS THE ADJACENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CONCURRENCY SERVICE AREAS ARE JUPITER LOCHMARA, MEADOW LANE AND ROY ALLEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, WHICH THESE KIDS WILL BE BUSED TO.

SOMETIMES WHEN THEY DO THEIR CONCURRENCY, IT'S NOT THE SCHOOL THAT'S IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT COULD BE ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT THEY'RE BUSSED TO, AND THAT'S HOW THEY DO THEIR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.

I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. YES. GO AHEAD. JUST A COMMENT ON THAT. HOW IS THAT CONCURRENT? MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT QUESTION FOR THE STAFF, BUT HOW IS THAT CONCURRENCY HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, ROY ALLEN'S OVER 30 MINUTES AWAY IN WEST MELBOURNE MELBOURNE AREA.

LOK MA IS DEEP INTO THE BED OF PALM BAY DOWN MULTIPLE TWO WAY ROADS.

JUPITER IS THE SAME. SAME REASON, YOU KNOW, DISCOVERIES OVER IN THAT AREA.

DO YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO GIVE ANY COLOR OR IS THAT FOR THE FINAL DETERMINATION FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD? THIS IS A DETERMINATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE CITY HAS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDES THE CONCURRENCY AND INFORMS STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IF THEY MET CONCURRENCY.

IF THEY DON'T MEET CONCURRENCY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MITIGATION PROCESS.

AND THEY DID NOT STATE THAT AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER, LIKE I SAID, WHEN THEY GET TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THINGS MAY CHANGE. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY MEET CONCURRENCY.

YEAH, I CAN, I THINK I CAN SAY A PIECE OF THIS THAT STAFF IS JUST NOT ABLE TO STATE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE TO COMMENT.

AND THAT IS FOR THESE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS, THOUGH YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN FOR THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS, THEIR BOUNDARY LINES WILL CHANGE IN ORDER TO MAKE CAPACITY AT THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT KIDS WOULD BE BUSSED STRAIGHT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT TO THOSE SCHOOLS.

AND SO THERE THERE'S A THERE'S JUST THAT PART.

JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, THERE IS A CAPACITY QUESTION THAT I, YOU KNOW, OR A CAPACITY PART OF THIS THAT I.

THAT'S FAIR. I'LL REMOVE THAT. THEN YOU CAN REMOVE THAT CONDITION. JUST STICK WITH THIS, THE SERVICES AND THE TRAFFIC.

OKAY. I AM GOING TO HAVE SOME COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE, BUT I'LL ASK ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. I THINK MY I'M ALSO THE SAME WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS THE THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT FOR THAT AREA BY ADDING ESPECIALLY THAT MANY, THAT MANY MORE HOMES TO THAT AREA. SO THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF HAVE THE ISSUE.

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CATALINA. CATALANO. CATALANO. I APOLOGIZE, IT'S OUR FIRST.

IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME WITH US. WELCOME TO THE BOARD. I KNOW THIS IS QUITE A BIG THING TO GET THROWN IN ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY.

YEAH, ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE VOTE? NO, I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO SAY IS THAT I SUPPORT RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.

AND I, AND I, I SEE, I TAKE EVERYONE'S POINT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE POLICE FIRE YOU KNOW, ROADS, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RELY ON, YOU KNOW, THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND, AND POLICE AND FIRE AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M HOPING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACCURATE WHEN THEY PUT THEIR, THEIR NUMBERS TOGETHER. SO IF WE MAKE IT CONDITIONAL TO ALL THOSE THINGS AND TO MAKE SURE RATHER THAN SAYING, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. MY, I GUESS MY POSITION WOULD BE LET'S SEE IF IT MEASURES UP.

IF IT DOESN'T MEASURE UP, THEN, THEN IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO YEAH, I GUESS, YEAH, MY, MY MOTION WOULD BE AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THIS OR NOT TELL ME IF I CAN.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. WE CAN'T MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT. YOU AND I MAY SHARE THE SENTIMENT.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE THE POWER AND THE ABILITY TO DICTATE WHERE WE WANT OUR GROWTH.

SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY WAS BUILT FOR GROWTH.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S PROJECTED TO BE. I SHARE A LOT OF WHAT THE BOARD'S CONCERNS ARE IN TERMS OF THE ROADWAYS AS IT GOES TOWARDS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE DEVELOPMENTS IN AREAS THAT WE NEVER PLANNED FOR THAT TYPE OF GROWTH, THIS AND IT'S PHASE DEVELOPMENT.

IS BUILT FOR THAT KIND OF GROWTH. AND WITH THE GROWTH, I BELIEVE WE WILL SEE A LOT OF THESE ANCILLARY SERVICES.

I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT WE'LL SEE.

THE POLICE, THE FIRE, THE RESCUE, YOU KNOW. WILL ALSO HAVE TO GROW IN PHASES WITH THEM ALONG WITH WHAT WE DO WITH OUR ROADS.

I SHARE A LOT OF WHAT THE BOARD'S COMMENTS AND SENTIMENTS HAVE BEEN, AS WELL AS THE COMMENTERS FROM THE PUBLIC, SENTIMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PALM BAY VERY HEAVILY.

I LIVE RIGHT OFF MALABAR. I LIVE THIS, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE WANT OUR GROWTH.

THIS IS WHERE WE'VE ENCOURAGED OUR GROWTH WITH THE BUILDING OF THAT PARKWAY.

SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS MOTION TO DENY US.

IF IT PASSES, IF THE MOTION PASSES, THE MOTION PASSES. BUT IF THE MOTION FAILS, THEN I WILL BE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE SAME CONTINGENCIES FOR THE POLICE, THE FIRE AND THE TRAFFIC. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR A VOTE.

THE VOTE IS TO DENY PD 20 5-0003. FOR REASONS OF THE POLICE FIRE AND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL. INDICATE BY SAYING I, I.

OKAY. ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST THE MOTION TO DENY INDICATE BY SAYING NAY, NAY, NAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS THREE. SO I'M GOING TO GO DO THIS REALLY QUICK.

MR. CATALANO, YOU SAID NAGDCA. CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. NORRIS, YOU SAID. THANK YOU, MR. MCNALLY SAID I.

OKAY, SO THE MOTION FAILS. 3 TO 2. I MAKE A MOTION TO.

MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. TECHNICALLY, THE CHAIR CANNOT MAKE A MOTION, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL.

OKAY, VICE CHAIR, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. MR.. SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TO MAKE THE MOTION. AND YOU NEED A SECOND FROM SOMEONE ELSE. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. CONDITIONS OF THE THE ORIGINAL THE AS AS WE DID THE FIRST VOTE.

THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY, SO MOTION TO APPROVE.

AND YOU ARE ALSO TAGGING THAT THE POLICE, THE FIRE, THE TRAFFIC THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ARE PART OF YOUR CONDITIONS.

OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? MR.. MR. CHAIR, CAN I SEEK CLARIFICATION AS TO THE MOTION? I APOLOGIZE. IS THE MOTION TO CARRY OVER THE CONDITIONS FROM THE LAST APPROVAL INTO PD 25 0003, OR IS IT THE MOTION TO ADOPT ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH RESPECT TO PD 25? THREE. IF IT'S MY MOTION, I'D SAY BOTH.

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BUT WHAT IS ON THE TABLE IS THEY'RE ASKING THAT ALSO TO MAINTAIN IN THERE THAT THE CONCURRENCY FOR THE POLICE, FIRE AND TRAFFIC POLICE, POLICE AND FIRE. YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS A MOTION. THAT IS A A MOTION PUT ON THE TABLE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ARE YOU ABLE TO SECOND IT? MR.. WARNER. I WOULD LIKE TO PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU FOR THIS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO CALL.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, MR. CHAIR OR INTERIM CHAIR? VICE CHAIR? MY ONLY FEEDBACK IS, YOU KNOW, I ALREADY LISTED MY CRITERIA, SO I'LL JUST SAY MY FEEDBACK AS A PALM BAY CITIZEN AND BOARD MEMBER.

WHEN WE BROUGHT UP SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT WERE NOTED, WE DENIED FOR THE SAME REASONS.

AND WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE IN OTHER MEETINGS WHEN WE TRIED TO ESSENTIALLY SHRINK THE PROCESS OF GETTING.

I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, GETTING AWAY FROM THE PRELIMINARY AND GOING JUST STRAIGHT TO A FINAL. IT STRIPS AWAY THE BOARD'S ABILITY TO FURTHER VET THE APPLICANT. AND IT MAY NOT BE THE CORRECT WAY TO SAY IT, BUT WITH THE CONSISTENT GROWTH IN PALM BAY AND THE CONSISTENT GROWTH IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, UNDERSTANDING IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR GROWTH, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS GROWING AT A, YOU KNOW, VERY RATE, A RATE THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THERE IS NO PHASING TO THAT GROWTH. IT'S ESSENTIALLY LAND OPEN BY IT, PHASE IT IN.

THEY HAVE PHASES, BUT PALM BAY DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PHASE PLAN TO KIND OF BUILD IT OUT.

AND THE ONLY REASON I ALSO SAY IS THAT LET'S SAY THIS GOES THROUGH US.

IT THEN GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL THEN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WHEN IT COMES BACK AT THE FINAL.

SHOULD WE NOT AGREE WITH THEIR FEEDBACK? SHOULD WE NOT AGREE WITH THAT? SHOULD WE NOT BELIEVE IT'S ADEQUATE? SHOULD WE FIND OUT A VARIETY OF THINGS AREN'T WORKING OUT THEN IT IS JUST THAT HARDER, THAT MUCH HARDER TO FOR US TO PASS THAT JUDGMENT IN THAT YOU KNOW, NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

NOW WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL SO THEY'LL END UP SAYING THEIR PIECE, BUT CONSIDERING ALL THE FACTORS OF PALM BAY, CONSIDERING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY RIGHT FOR US TO PUSH ON THE APPLICANT THAT THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE MORE SOLIDIFIED.

NOW, THERE IS PLENTY OF FORECASTS TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE SIZE OF THE AREA IS GOING TO BE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE THERE, THE THE ULTIMATE IMPACT OF THE AREA.

YOU KNOW, ANYBODY SAYING THAT IT'S A PHASED APPROACH WE CAN'T GIVE YOU ESTIMATES IS THAT'S I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

THERE'S PLENTY OF INFORMATION OUT THERE, PLENTY OF KNOWLEDGE IN THAT IN THAT SECTION OF THE ROOM. SO THAT'S WHY I JUST SAY THAT PUSH THE PUSH BACK ON THE APPLICANT TO GET THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS TO COME BACK AND TRY AGAIN.

CLEARLY THE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON A VARIETY OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S JUST ALL MY FEEDBACK. I WILL STAY WITH SAYING NAY TO THIS, BUT JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I WOULD I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO YOUR POINT, AS THE CHAIR'S POINT IS THAT AREA WAS DEVELOPED FOR GROWTH.

PALM BAY WANTS TO CONTINUE TO GROW. I THINK, I THINK IF, BUT IF WE HAVE TO GROW SMART, YOU KNOW, AND IF IF WE DON'T GROW AT ALL, THEN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS END UP GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW? SO WE WANT THE DEVELOPMENT TO STAY HERE, BUT WE JUST WANT IT DONE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IF WE HAVE TRUST IN, YOU KNOW, IN THESE STUDIES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR IF WE DON'T, THEN YEAH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT DECISION OURSELF, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE THESE, THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND DOING THESE STUDIES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SMART DECISIONS. AND SO WE'RE PASSING IT ON TO THEM.

WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE DENYING IT OR WE'RE APPROVING IT.

IT'S AGAIN CONDITIONED, WE'RE APPROVING IT CONDITIONED UPON THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO, THESE STUDIES THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. IF THE STUDIES COME BACK WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, THEN THEN IT GETS APPROVED. IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT GETS, THEN IT FAILS, BUT IT'S GIVING IT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PALM BAY TO STILL GROW BUT GROW

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OKAY. SO JUST SO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT. YEAH.

YOU'RE GOING TO FILL IT IN THERE. I WAS, I WAS I.

MR. CHAIR OR MR. VICE CHAIR? I SHOULD SAY JUST FOR CLARITY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS 1ST MAY.

THERE WERE TWO NAYS. TWO NAYS. I CAN'T EVEN SEE YOU GUYS.

SO IT'S HARD TO. IT'S HARD TO TELL EVEN WHO SAID WHAT.

IT'S MY SAFE. MYSELF AND MR. RAYNOR THAT SAID NO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THERE ARE TWO NAYS, THREE EYES.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, SO THEN THE AYES HAVE IT.

YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOTION PASSES 3 TO 2. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE THE GAVEL BACK? NO, IT'S FINE BY ME. GREAT NIGHT. TRY IT OUT OF MY HAND.

OH. THAT'S YOURS. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS CAN STICK AROUND AND HANG OUT WITH US.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUN. ON. AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO RUN AFTER WE.

WE HAVE TO SIT HERE ALL NIGHT. BUT I LIKE TO REACH OUT TO HIM.

I JUST SAW YOU TWO DON'T KNOW HOW TO. I'D LOVE TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING AND GET FEEDBACK AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING.

MY OBJECTIONS ARE LIKE WAY IN THE CLOUD SPACE, BASICALLY.

THANKS, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH OUR NEXT ITEM THAT IS CP 26 00001, FIRE AND RESCUE, POLICE AND CONCURRENCY LEVELS OF SERVICE AMENDMENT.

BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE STAFF RELATED TO THIS ISSUE OR ANY PARTIES THAT WOULD BE CONNECTED TO IT? HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND HEAR FROM STAFF.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED APPLICATION TO HELP THE CITY ESTABLISH LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR BOTH FIRE AND POLICE. STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO DO THIS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHILE WE DO HAVE REGULATIONS IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING CONCURRENCY AND PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES, THIS GIVES US A STRONGER FOUNDATION BY PUTTING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXPERIENCED EXPONENTIAL GROWTH WITHIN THE PAST TWO DECADES OR MORE, AND THIS RAPID GROWTH HAS INCREASED DEMAND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES, INCLUDING FIRE PROTECTION AND POLICE EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

TO ADDRESS THESE CONDITIONS, THE CITY IS PROPOSING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ESTABLISHING MEASURABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS THAT WILL GUIDE DEVELOPMENT, REVIEW, CAPITAL PLANNING AND INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.

FOR THE FIRE RESCUE. AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THESE STANDARDS BE ADDED TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT UNDER POLICY CIE-1.5A, AND I WON'T READ ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING BECAUSE THEY WERE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, HOWEVER, THAT THERE ARE SOME ERRORS IN THE REPORT IN THAT WHEN I HAD FIRE AND POLICE TO LOOK AT THEM, THEY CHANGED THEIR ONE CHANGED THEIR MINUTES FOR RESPONSE FROM 7 TO 8, THE OTHER FROM 5 TO 4. SO I DID THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT DIDN'T DO IT IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE. SO WHEN I COPIED AND PASTED THAT IN MY STAFF REPORT, IT MADE IT INCONSISTENT.

SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY IS THE FOUR MINUTES TRAVEL TIME FOR FIRE FOR THE FIRST RESPONSE FIRE SUPPRESSION. THE UNIT ARRIVAL TIME FOR 90% OF THESE TYPE OF CALLS WILL BE FOUR MINUTES.

THE LANGUAGE HAD FIVE WRITTEN OUT WITH FOREIGN PARENTHESES.

SO I'M POINTING THAT OUT TO LET YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS.

THE FIVE OR THE FOUR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE ESTABLISHING A RESPONSE TIME OF SIX MINUTES FOR THE EMS

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THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THAT. THE RESPONSE TIMES I KNOW ARE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THEY ARE PROPOSING, OR WE'RE PUTTING IN THE CAPITAL PLAN, THAT THE RESPONSE TIME, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE FOR PRIORITY ONE CALLS EIGHT MINUTE PRIORITY, TWO CALLS EIGHT MINUTES 10 MINUTES TO 15 MINUTES FOR PRIORITY THREE CALLS.

YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE USE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US BY BOTH PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS AND THE REFERENCES AND THE ENDNOTES THAT WE'RE PLACING WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AGAIN, HOPING TO COME BACK LATER WITH MORE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, DATA AND ANALYSIS.

WE'RE JUST STRICTLY USING THE FLORIDA FIRE CODE.

WE'RE USING THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION MANUAL OR GUIDE.

AND IN THE CASE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE NUMBERS WERE DERIVED FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE AND THE US DOJ COPS OFFICE. STAFFING GUIDANCE, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HIRED A CONSULTANT ABOUT 6 OR 7 WEEKS AGO, AND THEY ARE DOING A COMPLETE STAFFING AND FACILITY STUDY.

SO THEY WILL LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE NOW. LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS, THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED MOST RECENTLY, BUT NOT BUILT. AND THEY WILL ESTABLISH WHAT THOSE NEEDS WILL BE.

AND WE HOPE TO BRING BACK AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THAT STUDY AS A REFERENCE FOR OUR.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT HERE. WHEN IS THAT STUDY EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED? I BELIEVE YESTERDAY WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE 12 WEEKS.

WOULD IT BE MORE PRUDENT TO REVISIT THIS AFTER THEIR STUDIES COMPLETED? WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT STAFF WANTED TO GET THIS STARTED, GET IT ON THE BOOKS, IS BECAUSE OF SITUATIONS LIKE THE LAST HEARING THAT WE JUST HAD, WHERE WE START TO HAVE THESE CONCERNS.

BUT THEN THERE'S REALLY NO MEASURABLE STANDARD.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE THE CONCURRENCY REVIEW PROCESS EASIER FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, SO THAT THERE ARE SOME MEASURES ALREADY IN PLACE FOR US TO EVEN START HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE MITIGATED.

SO CURRENT STATE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. AND SO, MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. AND I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ISSUES.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GO BACKWARDS TO SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DO HAVE CRITERIA IN OUR CODE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE REVIEW OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT DO INCLUDE CRITERIA FOR BOTH THE P AND Z BOARD AND COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. AND AMONG THOSE INCLUDE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND THE AVAILABILITY AND ADEQUACY OF POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES. SO THERE, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE THAT DOES ALREADY REFERENCE THESE THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO ADD AND ENHANCE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE ARE NO STANDARDS.

THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY IN OUR CODE.

OKAY. FOR THE BOARD'S TRUE. IT'S A MEASURE OF APPLICATIONS TO BE CONSIDERED.

SO I GUESS I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL HOLD ONE FOR FOR LATER.

RIGHT NOW WHAT IN TERMS OF WHAT MA'AM, YOU JUST REFERENCED IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICES AT THE TIME THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING APPLICATION, WHAT ARE THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS AND WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THEY BASED ON? ARE WE LOOKING AT MANPOWER OR ARE WE LOOKING AT RESPONSE TIMES? BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THIS TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES.

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SO WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THIS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS VOTE WILL IMPACT.

I THINK IT DEPENDS, RESPECTFULLY ON THE TYPE OF PUBLIC SERVICE.

SO IT AND IT MAY DIFFER BASED ON THE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S POLICE VERSUS FIRE.

SO POLICE MAY BE LOOKING AT WE NEED X NUMBER OF OFFICERS AND WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR SALARIES IN IN LIKE THIS TYPE OF THING WOULD NOT COVER SALARY AND BENEFITS AND THAT SORT OF THING. SURE.

IT'S GOING TO COVER, FOR EXAMPLE, POLICE CARS THAT MAY NEED TO BE ASSIGNED TO THOSE OFFICERS.

RIGHT. LET ME CLARIFY MY STATEMENT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M GUESSING THAT THE STANDARDS ARE FOR THE CERTAIN FOR X NUMBER OF CITIZENS, YOU NEED X NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS. WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING IN TERMS OF EMS AND FIRE, YOU'RE LOOKING MORE AT RESPONSE TIMES THAN YOU ARE AT SATURATION.

SO WHAT ARE THE CURRENT GUIDELINES FOR THAT? FOR POLICE, THEY ARE USING THE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE THAT I THE NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT I REFER TO. AGAIN, I DIDN'T READ OUT EVERYTHING RIGHT.

SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY MAKING IT A HIGHER STANDARD.

WE'RE JUST ADDING THIS IN TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YES. OKAY. YES, THEY THEY RIGHT NOW REVIEW APPLICATIONS USING THESE STANDARD MEASURES.

MEASURES FROM THESE PARTICULAR SOURCES. WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

OKAY. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE DO HAVE A STUDY THAT IS THAT IS UNDERWAY THAT COULD RECOMMEND A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, A HIGHER NUMBER OF OFFICERS PER CITIZEN CAPITA.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STUDY WILL SAY, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT IT WILL BE SPECIFIC TO PALM BAY.

OKAY. AND AND NOT JUST THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OR STANDARD THAT'S RECOMMENDED.

AND WE WOULDN'T BE GOING BELOW THAT NATIONAL RECOMMENDED STANDARD.

WE WOULD ONLY GO HIGHER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STUDY SAYS, AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

TONIGHT, THOUGH, WE'RE VOTING ON WHAT STAFF IS PLACED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE. WE NEED A MOTION ON THE TABLE IN ORDER TO.

SO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD BEFORE WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

MY PARTICULAR PARTICULAR VEIN OF THE CONVERSATION.

I'M SORRY, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, MA'AM? CERTAINLY.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF AT THIS MOMENT? COULD WE REVISIT THIS IN 12 WEEKS AT ALL? OR IS IT JUST IN STONE? I MEAN, IT LOOKS FINE AS IT IS, BUT CAN WE REVISIT IT OR.

NO? SO SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THE CASE BEFORE US UNLESS WE TABLED IT.

CORRECT. I'M SORRY. SO THIS THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT.

SO YOU COULD. YOU COULD VOTE TECHNICALLY VOTE TO TABLE IT.

UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE THE RESULTS. YOU COULD VOTE TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE.

CERTAIN? YEAH, I WOULDN'T DO. OR YOU COULD VOTE TO APPROVE IT.

OR YOU COULD VOTE TO APPROVE WITH AMENDMENTS.

OR ARE YOU ENTERTAINING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL? YOU HAVE LOTS OF THOSE OPTIONS.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A MOTION RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT TO THAT POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH.

AND I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE MOTION WOULD BE FOR, FOR THE SENTIMENTS OF THE BOARD WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I APPRECIATE THAT. ARE WE GOOD TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON C P 20 6-00001.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND DO SO NOW. OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST COME FORWARD.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

THE REASON WHY I'M AGAINST THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S A NON AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.

OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES YOU CANNOT HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WITHOUT THE CITIZENS VOTING FOR THAT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, OR THE AFFECTED INDIVIDUALS VOTING FOR THAT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BECAUSE IT'S A NON IT'S NOT YOUR TAXES.

IT'S HERE. WE NEED MORE MONEY. WE WANT YOU AND YOU AND YOU TO GIVE IT TO US.

THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS. THAT'S WHAT A NON AD VALOREM TAX IS.

SO THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING AGAINST THAT IS THEY'VE ONLY DESIGNATED A, AN AREA OF PALM BAY, WHICH CURRENTLY WHAT THEY'VE DESIGNATED THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS IS IN THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AREA TO THE SOUTH.

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AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A NON AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ON ALL THE NEW HOMES COMING IN THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE FIRE. THAT'S HOW THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IT NOW.

NOTHING WAS EVEN BROUGHT OUT FOR THE POLICE. NOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS GOVERNS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST A DESIGNATED AREA. THE ENTIRE CITY FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHERE THEY COULD HAVE NON-AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA THAT THEY'VE DESIGNATED FOR. WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.

WE NEED MORE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. AND SO WHAT DO THEY DO? WELL, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T AD VALOREM TAX, WHICH IS 3% CAP.

WELL, WE NEED MORE MONEY. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT A NON AD VALOREM TAX AND EVERYBODY ENDS UP HAVING TO PAY IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT I SEE THAT THIS IS THE FOOT IN THE DOOR TO ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE THAT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M I WOULD SAY, NO, LET'S DON'T CHANGE THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE ONCE YOU CHANGE THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT THOSE TWO THINGS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST THIS IS LIKE A PART TIME FOR THE POLICE.

BASICALLY. I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO ESTABLISH A PART TIME FOR EMS POLICE.

BUT THE VALOREM TAX IS THAT A NON IF YOU READ THE THING, IT'S FOR A NON AD VALOREM TAX.

I'M OFTEN CONFUSED BILL I JUST HAD TO TAKE A MOMENT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN DEFINITELY ASK STAFF ABOUT THAT.

I THINK I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THAT QUESTION BACK THAT YOU'VE GOT AND ASK STAFF ABOUT THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, BILL. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? LET'S SEE. METHOD OF COLLECTING NON AD VALOREM TAXES.

AND IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN THAT THEY GET TO PROPOSE IT AND IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY'VE SET.

I'M AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I LIKE ALL OF MY TAXES.

IF IT'S A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST CP 26.

20 6-00001. WELL HELLO. HELLO. I'M NOT SO SURE IT'S I'M AGAINST IN HIS CURRENT FORMAT.

OKAY. MY NAME IS KIM ROSENKER. I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LACEY ROSENKER. 60134 SEND TO PLACE.

I'M NOT HERE ON BEHALF OF ANY PARTICULAR CLIENT.

I'M JUST HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS AND BECAUSE I WAS REPRESENTING JC.

OKAY. WELL, THEN I APPLAUD YOU FOR A SECOND. ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF PALM BAY? NO.

OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR COMPANY, WHICH IS FINE. YOU'RE JUST SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS IT WOULD GO TOWARDS THAT.

OH, OKAY. BUT I, I, IT IS PROTECTED BY PUBLIC RECORDS.

SO I USE MY, MY, MY LAW FIRM ADDRESS OF 603 BECAUSE I'M A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO. OKAY. SO IT'S PROTECTED FROM PUBLIC RECORDS.

SO I USE 600 134 CENTER PLACE, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK, CHAIRMAN, YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD.

THERE'S NO DATA. WHEN YOU DO A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU MUST HAVE DATA AND ANALYSIS.

YOU CAN'T DO IT ON A RECOMMENDED STANDARD THAT NO ONE IN THIS COUNTY ABIDES BY ANYHOW.

ANYWAY YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE MEETING THEM NOW.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A FOUR MINUTE RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS BECAUSE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE NOT.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT HAVE COME OUT YEARS AGO.

AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA AND ANALYSIS. THE LAND PLANNING ACT REQUIRES YOU HAVE DATA ANALYSIS TO MAKE ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO TABLE IT UNTIL YOU HAVE ONE.

WHAT ARE THEY RESPONDING TO NOW AND THEIR RESPONSE TIMES, AND WHAT DO THEY THINK THEY NEED TO GO FORWARD? AS YOU SAID WITH THE LAST APPLICATION, IT WAS WE NEED 12 EMPLOYERS OR WE NEED A FIRE TRUCK.

IT'S GOT TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYWHERE IN YOUR CODE THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE THESE MANY RESIDENTS, YOU NEED THESE MANY POLICE OFFICERS. THERE ARE NO STANDARDS IN YOUR COMP PLAN OR IN YOUR CODE.

IN FACT, AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF PUBLIC FACILITIES IN YOUR CODE IN THE STATE STATUTES DOESN'T DEAL WITH FIRE AND POLICE AND THEIR DEFINITION OF THE FACILITIES. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, YOU NEED TO DEFINE WHAT PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE.

IT'S NOT IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHATSOEVER.

IN FACT, CE 1-5 DEALS WITH WASTEWATER, POTABLE WATER, DRAINAGE, TRANSPORTATION.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT FIRE IN PLACE. SO YOU NEED DATA AND ANALYSIS TO DO THAT.

THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS THE STAFF REPORT CITES TO FLORIDA STATUTE 163.

3180B THERE ISN'T A B THERE'S A1BA2BA3BA4B. SO IT'S NOT CLEAR IN THIS STAFF WHAT IT IS.

AS I SAID YOUR CODE DOES NOT HAVE ANY STANDARDS.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO STAFF IN YOUR CODE AS HOW TO ANALYZE PUBLIC FACILITIES

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THERE NEEDS TO BE DATA AND ANALYSIS. AND WHAT FLORIDA STATUTE YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TABLE THIS FOR MORE INFORMATION.

AND THE AD VALOREM IS FOR THAT IS ANOTHER STUDY THAT'S GOING ON THAT WOULD BE BY SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN SOUTH COUNTY.

I KNOW MR. DE LORENZO IS WORKING ON THAT FOR ALL THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENT ASHTON PARKS, LOTUS, EMERALD THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S DEALING WITH THIS.

I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT IT'S NOWHERE NEAR STAFF REPORT SO I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AGAINST THIS LINE ITEM? AGAINST THIS ITEM? OKAY. HEARING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

NOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE NEED A MOTION. SO THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS TO THE BOARD IN TERMS OF EMOTION ARE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP? YOU'RE RIGHT.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY. YOU DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT IT GO IN THE INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT IN THE SPECIFIED POLICY, BECAUSE THOSE POLICIES IN THAT POLICY ENUMERATES OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR, AS SHE MENTIONED, WATER, SEWER PARKS, THAT'S WHERE ALL OF OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS ARE STATED.

SO THE IDEA WAS TO PUT THESE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS UNDER THAT SAME POLICY.

THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION I DIDN'T CATCH, BUT I THOUGHT SHE SAID 163.31 80B. YEAH, IT'S JUST ONE B. OH YES. OKAY. IT'S MISSING THE THE BUT THERE'S OTHER B'S. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. I'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION GOING TO COUNCIL.

SO THAT IS I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE B. LET ME LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE.

I'LL GET THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER. BUT MY INTENTION WAS TO REFERENCE THE PORTION OF THE STATUTES THAT INDICATES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN ESTABLISH LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR WATER, SEWER, PARKS, ETC.

HOWEVER, IF THEY'D LIKE TO ESTABLISH LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES, IT NEEDS TO BE PLACED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT DOES GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO UNDER THE SPECIFIED SECTION, WHICH I WILL FIND THE NUMBER. I HAVE IT, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

SO SECTION 163 .3164 OF THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT DEFINES PUBLIC FACILITIES TO INCLUDE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ALL INCLUSIVE LIST BECAUSE IT SAYS PUBLIC FACILITIES MEANS MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION, SANITARY, SANITARY, SEWER, SOLID WASTE, DRAINAGE, POTABLE WATER, EDUCATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO TO 163 .3180 SUB ONE, THAT SUBSECTION SAYS ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY EXTEND THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENT SO THAT IT APPLIES TO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC FACILITIES WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION.

SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC FACILITIES UNDER 163 .3180.

AND IS THAT WHERE PUBLIC FACILITIES. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT PUBLIC FACILITIES IS DEFINED.

SO I'M SAYING THAT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO GO BEYOND THE SPECIFICALLY LISTED FACILITIES THAT I READ TO YOU PREVIOUSLY.

AND THESE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? THERE WAS A CONFLATION OF THE ISSUES FOR THE FIRE ASSESSMENT OR THE THIS IS ABOUT THE AD VALOREM.

YES. THAT THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THIS. THAT IS SPECIFIC TO ONE AREA IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY.

THIS CONCURRENCY WOULD BE APPLIED CITYWIDE. IS NOT A TAX.

IT IS A WAY FOR THE DEVELOPER, LIKE ANY OTHER LEVELS OF SERVICE, FOR US TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HOW THE

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SO TO CLARIFY, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS TIED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES ONLINE WITHIN THE CITY, NOT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

I THINK I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MY QUESTION IS A LOT LIKE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON, ON THE, ON THE TABLE YET.

SO CAN I GET YOU TO CLARIFY YOUR STATEMENT? AS IN, WOULD THIS BE MONIES THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR OR BEING DEMANDED FROM PRIVATE CITIZENS. OR IS THIS GOING TO BE MONIES THAT WOULD BE.

LOOKED TO BE COLLECTED FROM DEVELOPERS. THE LATTER DEVELOPERS.

OKAY. PERSONS SEEKING TO DEVELOP PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY.

OKAY, SO NOT OKAY. CORRECT. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. AND THE IDEA BEHIND THE STATUTE THAT I READ TO YOU IS THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD, WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP LET ME SAY THAT THE OTHER WAY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP PACE WITH DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

THE BOARD HAS A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AT THEIR DISPOSAL IN TERMS OF EMOTION.

WE CAN APPROVE. WE CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS WE CAN TABLE.

WE CAN TABLE. UNTIL SUCH A DESIGNATED DATE. WE CAN TABLE UNTIL A DESIGNATED ACTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED, OR WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THIS ITEM. IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD RELATED TO CP 26 DASH.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO START SHORTENING THIS ZERO ONE.

I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL THE STUDIES ARE IN.

THAT'S WHAT'S 12 WEEKS THREE MONTHS. SO MOTION TO TABLE SUBJECT TO THE COMPLETION OF THE STUDY.

I'VE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE STUDIES BEING COMPLETED.

STUDY. OKAY. SO SUBJECT TO MAY I ASK THE RESULTS AND ANALYSIS? MAY I ASK A QUESTION OR ARE WE.

SO LET'S GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THEN WE CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS WE WANT. SO MOTION TO TABLE, SUBJECT TO MAYBE NOT THE COMPLETION OF THE STUDY, BUT THE ANALYSIS AND THE RESULTS.

THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT THE STUDIES BEING VIABLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THE COMPLETION OF THEM WOULD BE MUCH LATER, BUT YEAH.

OKAY. SO SOME INFORMATION TO GO ON, SOME DATA TO GO ON.

SO ANALYSIS RESULTS. YEAH. RESULTS. DATA AND ANALYSIS.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FOR FOR SO WE CAN OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. I JUST PUT THAT ON THE WRONG PERSON, SECONDED BY MR. WARNER. OKAY. NOW WE CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS WE WANT.

SO, MR. NORRIS, GO AHEAD. THESE ARE THE CONCURRENCES THAT WERE REFERENCED IN LIKE, THE LAST COUPLE MOTIONS, RIGHT? LIKE THE POLICE FIRE CONCURRENCES. THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE USED TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE HITTING THESE NUMBERS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR WHAT ARE THESE PART TIMES FOUR? ARE THESE FOR DEVELOPERS TO SAY WE'RE HITTING THESE NUMBERS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH? IS YOUR QUESTION TO REPEAT THAT BECAUSE I'M LATE, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S LIKE, READY TO GO HOME? THE THE CONCURRENCES THAT WERE REFERENCED IN LIKE THE LAST MOTION SAYING, OH, WE NEED THESE CERTAIN LEVELS OF POLICE AND FIRE RESPONSE TIMES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS JUST PROPOSED. ARE THESE THE CONCURRENCES THAT THEY'RE REFERENCING, LIKE CODIFYING THESE, OR WERE THOSE ALREADY CODIFIED? I WOULD MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I'M SORRY FOR FOR JUMPING IN FOR STAFF, BUT THERE WAS CRITERIA IN THE CODE THAT REFERENCED POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES THAT REFERENCED. LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

THERE IS CRITERIA IN THE CODE ALREADY THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER WHEN APPROVING OR DENYING THE PRIOR PROJECT. BUT IN TERMS OF UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN PLACE WOULD HAVE HELPED WITH THE PRIOR PROJECT. AND WHAT DID WHEN I DON'T KNOW IF I REFER TO PEOPLE BY NAME,

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SO I DON'T KNOW IF MY IS MY NORMAL CONFUSION OR IF IT WAS A GENERALIZED CONFUSION.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAD REALLY. YEAH. IT'S SO, SO THE, AGAIN, THIS, THE ABILITY TO SET THESE STANDARDS IN THE COMP PLAN FLOWS FROM STATE STATUTE. AND IT'S NOT A TAX, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT DEVELOPMENT NOT PROCEED IF THERE IS NOT. THE STANDARDS ARE MET.

INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT. AND SO WE HAVE EIGHT MINUTE RESPONSE TIME.

RIGHT. SO I HAVE SEVEN MINUTES TO GET AWAY IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. STRIKE THAT FROM THE RECORD.

OKAY. MR. CATALANO. CATALANO, I APOLOGIZE. I'M GOING TO LEARN IT.

NO WORRIES. IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE. NO, I I GUESS WHAT? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE STAFF IS ASKING, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IS THEY'RE ASKING TO DO A STUDY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT THE STUDY. AND I GUESS WE KNOW WHO THE WHO'S DOING THE STUDY.

I GUESS I'M NEW AT THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST ASKING.

SO IF WE KNOW WHO'S DOING THE STUDY AND WE THEY'RE QUALIFIED TO, TO MAKE TO DO THIS STUDY, YOU'RE JUST ASKING TO DO THE STUDY SO THAT YOU CAN RELY ON THOSE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE WHEN A WHEN A PROJECT COMES THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND SAY, YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE GOING BY THIS, AND THEN THOSE FEES ARE GOING OFF TO THE DEVELOPER, CORRECT? NOT TO THE NOT TO THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY.

THAT'S THE WAY I THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. AND I'M AFTER YOU FINISH WITH YOUR COMMENTS, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. IS THAT A.

IS THAT ACCURATE? SO IT IT IS CONCURRENCY. SO JUST LIKE YOU HEARD THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GENERATED FOR ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, HIGH SCHOOL. WE ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR THE CITY SO THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES WON'T BE COMPROMISED.

RIGHT? OKAY. IF I MAY, I WILL SAY THAT THIS WAS NEEDED DECADES AGO, AND I, I DO HOPE THAT THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH TONIGHT.

WE CAN BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION. MY INTENT WAS TO PUT THE CITY IN A POSITION WHERE AT LEAST WE HAD SOMETHING IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. REGARDING THESE LEVELS OF SERVICE.

WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR REGULATIONS, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING BELT AND SUSPENDERS, RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. AND THE SUGGESTION IS WE HAVE THIS MOTION TO TABLE SUBJECT TO GETTING THESE RESULTS.

CAN WE ALSO ASK THAT STAFF DEVELOP A PRESENTATION FOR OUR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING? BEING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE RESULTS BEFORE THAT TO EDUCATE US FURTHER ON THIS, I'M HEARING A LOT OF CONFUSION.

WE HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS. I THINK WE MIGHT BENEFIT FROM THAT BEFORE MOVING FORWARD ON A VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I'M HAPPY TO. CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? SURE.

THAT MAYBE THE BOARD JUST CONSIDER CONTINUING THIS MATTER TO THE NEXT MEETING.

DATE CERTAIN TO THE NEXT MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

AND THEN STAFF CAN CAN BRING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO YOU AT THAT TIME.

AND AT THAT TIME, YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO TABLE IT OR, OR YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. MR. NORRIS, YOU WERE THE ONE THAT ORIGINALLY MADE THE.

I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. THE MOTION IS NOW WITHDRAWN, SO WE DO NOT HAVE ONE FOR THIS ITEM.

C P 20 6-00. SECONDED. COULD INDICATE ON THE RECORD THAT THEY AGREE WITH IT.

DO YOU AGREE TO WITHDRAW? I AGREE TO WITHDRAW.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WITHDRAWAL. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD FOR A MOTION TO CONTINUE. CP 20 6-00001 TO CONTINUE. MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING.

YEAH. CONTINGENT UPON FURTHER INFORMATION AND EDUCATION TO THE BOARD PRESENTATION BY THE STAFF.

OKAY. I'M JUST TAKING SOME NOTES. PARDON ME.

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ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD ABOUT THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH A PRESENTATION AND EDUCATION TO THE BOARD.

HEARING NO FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, I WILL ASK THE BOARD FOR A VOTE.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING. INDICATE BY SAYING I, I.

ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. UNANIMOUS. OKAY.

MOVING ON. CP 20 6-02, BREVARD COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN REFERENCE.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK, HAS ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PARTY OR PARTIES AFFILIATED WITH THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I WILL ASK STAFF TO PRESENT ON CP 20 602.

THANK YOU. SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCLUDE A COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ADOPTING, BY REFERENCE, BREVARD COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THIS GIVES US ACCESS TO QUALIFYING BETTER FOR FEMA FUNDS.

THIS PUTS THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED COORDINATION WITH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN TERMS OF NATURAL AND MAN MADE DISASTERS. SO IT WOULD SUPPORT LOCAL GOVERNMENT READINESS FOR EVACUATION SHELTERING. IT WOULD GIVE US CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS, AS I MENTIONED, WITH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

INTERAGENCY COORDINATION, HAZARD MITIGATION AND POST-DISASTER RECOVERY, WHICH IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT.

AND IT WAS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT POLICY CMMI DASH 1.3 F THAT WE WERE TO PREPARE AND ADOPT A POST-DISASTER PLAN. AND THIS PARTICULAR PLAN WILL HELP US TO HAVE THAT DONE IN AN INSTANT, JUST BY ADOPTING IT BY REFERENCE.

WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A NEW CMMI ELEMENT POLICY 1.5 F, JUST SAYING THAT WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY FOR EVACUATION, SHELTERING AND EMERGENCY SUPPORT FUNCTIONS.

WE ALREADY DO THESE THINGS. IT'S IT'S BEST FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THIS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AGAIN, IT GIVES US SOMETHING SOLID IN PLACE THAT'S RECOGNIZED BY THE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS WELL AS OUR OWN, AND IT DOES GIVE US MORE ACCESS TO APPLYING FOR FEMA FUNDS AND GETTING SOME RELIEF AFTER A DISASTER HAPPENS WITHOUT THE CITY BEING ON THE HOOK FOR THE ENTIRE BILL. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THAT WE PUT THIS AS A REFERENCE IN THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT. IT'S COMMON, AND WE DO IN OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT, COMMONLY CALLED ICE, BY US PLANNERS, TO HAVE ALL OF THE COORDINATION STRUCTURES FOR LOCAL AND REGIONAL COORDINATION WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AND PUBLIC ENTITIES.

SO SINCE WE'RE ADDING THIS BY REFERENCE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE IT IN THE ICE.

REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS THAT STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO TRANSMIT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ICE ELEMENT, AS WELL AS THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT, AGAIN, REVISING ONE OF THE POLICIES, ADDING A NEW POLICY IN THE ICE AND THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT, ALL RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

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ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS AT THIS TIME, PLEASE COME FORWARD. GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND BEING THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND I WILL ASK THE BOARD FOR A MOTION ON CP 20 6-02.

MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. THAT IS MR. MCNALLY.

THANK YOU. IS THERE. NORRIS? I'M SO SORRY IT'S LATE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. SECONDED BY MR. WARNER. OKAY, LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY? SO WE'RE JUST COMING INTO IT. WE'RE JUST COMING INTO ALIGNMENT WITH BREVARD COUNTY. THAT'S ALL IT IS. OKAY.

OKAY. GO AHEAD, MR. WARNER. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK.

I THINK THAT I THINK, I THINK THIS. I HONESTLY THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD MOVE.

I WISH WE KIND OF HAD THAT GUIDELINE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE LAST CASE, BUT YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MOVE, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A DISASTER WAITING FOR US HERE IN FLORIDA.

WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE FIRES OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE HURRICANES. ALL RIGHT.

MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THIS IS DOES THIS INCLUDE THE SO I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR OWN EVACUATION PLAN FOR MOST NOTABLY HURRICANES WHEN WE'RE TOLD TO EVACUATE.

YES. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED EVACUATION AREAS TO THE EXTENT OF WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

THAT IS A QUESTION FOR OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF.

THIS WAS REQUESTED THAT WE INCLUDE THIS BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE MY HONESTLY, MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, WAS THERE GOING TO BE ANY CONFLICT BETWEEN OUR CURRENT PLAN FOR EVACUATION AND WHATEVER OUR SERVICES MAY UNDERSTAND AND WHAT BREVARD HAS IN PLACE? TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PLAN SUCH AS THE BREVARD COUNTY PLAN.

OKAY. SO WE WOULD BE ADOPTING THEIR PLAN? YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ALSO ALIGNING WITH THEM.

CORRECT. SO WE DO IT COLLECTIVELY RATHER THAN WORKING AGAINST EACH OTHER DURING A NATIONAL NATURAL DISASTER OR WHATEVER.

CORRECT. I DIDN'T HEAR THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S GOING TO BE ALIGNING. HIT THAT BUTTON AGAIN.

THE LIGHT TURNED OFF. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S GOING TO BE US ALIGNING WITH AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET MY MIC ON, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE US ALIGNING WITH BREVARD COUNTY.

CORRECT. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS ADAPT THEIR PLAN.

BUT ALSO BY BEING ADAPTING TO THEM, WE'RE GOING TO END UP BEING MORE IN LINE.

SO WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY. THE RIGHT HAND KNOWS WHAT THE LEFT HAND IS DOING.

COORDINATION. COORDINATION. CORRECT. YES. AND SHOULD WE IF WE HAD DECIDED TO DO OUR OWN PLAN? FROM WHAT I'VE READ IN THE STATUTES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S PLAN ANYWAY.

THAT MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS ON THE TABLE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR PATIENCE THIS EVENING AND GETTING THROUGH OUR LENGTHY AGENDA.

I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING. GET HOME SAFE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.