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[CALL TO ORDER:]
ALL RISE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.HURRAH! MRS. JONES. MAYOR MEDINA. PRESENT. DEPUTY MAYOR.
JAFFE. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN.
HAMMER. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. LANGEVIN IS ABSENT.
[1. Discussion of the Fiscal Year 2026-2027 budget.]
2026 2027 BUDGET. AND I'M DEFER TO MR. MORTON.WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
AS YOU KNOW, REVENUES AND A LOT OF THE DATA HAS BEEN COMING A LITTLE LATE. AND PART OF OUR, OUR STRUGGLES HAS BEEN THE CONVERSION FROM T, WHICH IS, IS GOOD TO GET OFF T AND TO GO TO WORKDAY.
I KNOW LARRY IS GOING TO MISS HE, HE LOVES IT, BUT HEY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
SPEAKING OF THAT, I'M EMBARRASSED HIM BECAUSE HIS RETIREMENT IS IN LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO THROW HIM A WE'LL DO SOMETHING PROPER, BUT I JUST GOTTA GOT TO GET MY PUGS IN NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO MISS LARRY. HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE GOT A LOT TO PRESENT TO YOU, A LOT TO SHARE WITH YOU, A LOT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. SO I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND HAND IT OVER TO MISS HENCHMAN TO, TO LEAD OFF AND SORT OF SET THE LANDSCAPE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
GOOD EVENING FOR TONIGHT'S BUDGET WORKSHOP. OUR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON OUR BUDGET OBLIGATIONS.
SO ALL OF OUR KNOWN PERSONNEL COSTS AS WELL AS OUR OPERATING COSTS FOR THE YEAR.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THE REVENUE ESTIMATES BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN OUR NUMBERS BACK. AND WE'LL HAVE THREE OPTIONS TO SHOW YOU FOR THIS EVENING. BUT OUR OVERALL GOAL IS TO LEAVE HERE TONIGHT WITH A PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU AT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON A LEGISLATIVE MEMO.
WE HAVE AN 8% INCREASE FOR THE FOP. YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF INCREASES FROM ABOUT 4% TO 7% BASED ON THEIR SALARY INCREASE PLUS ONE MERIT STEP NAGDCA BLUE AND WHITE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 5% INCREASES, AND WE'VE BUILT IN 5% INCREASE FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES.
AND THIS WAS PROPOSED FOR EQUITY WITHIN THE CITY AND ALONG WITH THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
THE TOTAL OBLIGATION IS A LITTLE OVER 15 MILLION.
THAT IS A $4.3 MILLION INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR IN REFERENCE TO EACH POSITION.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 41% OF THEIR SALARY FOR POLICE AND 46% OF THEIR SALARY FOR FIRE.
SO WHAT DOES THIS LOOK IN OVERALL TERMS OF NUMBERS FOR FY 27 IN THE GENERAL FUND? OUR PERSONNEL COSTS ARE $97.2 MILLION. THE LARGEST IS PUBLIC SAFETY WHICH MAKES UP 70% OF THAT BUDGET.
POLICE IS ABOUT 40% AND FIRE IS A LITTLE OVER 30%.
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PROCUREMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE ALL UNDER 1% OF THE BUDGET FOR PERSONNEL.
FINANCE IS A LITTLE OVER AT 2.1%. EYE T AND GROWTH ARE BOTH JUST OVER 3%.
PUBLIC WORKS OR PARKS AND FACILITIES IS AROUND 6%.
PUBLIC WORKS IS 8%. SO THESE ARE THE MONETARY FIGURES THAT GO ALONG WITH ALL OF THEM.
THE 40% FOR POLICE EQUATES TO ABOUT JUST UNDER $39 MILLION.
AND FOR FIRE, THE 30% IS AROUND 29.5 MILLION.
AS A REMINDER, THESE OF ALL OF OUR DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, THE OVERALL IMPACTS FOR FY 27 IS APPROXIMATELY $5.89 MILLION, AND THIS COVERS ALL OF THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE THUS FAR.
THE NEWEST VERSION IS THE LIFEPACK 35 FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT WILL HAVE A DEBT SERVICE ELEMENT TO IT THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
SO OUTSIDE OF THOSE DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS, THESE ARE THE OTHER OPERATING OR CAPITAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WE'VE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET SO FAR. WE HAVE PAYMENT TWO FOR BOTH OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS.
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LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, WE SHOW A $1.25 MILLION TRANSFER OVER AND FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE, IT'S CURRENTLY ENTERED AT $3.25 MILLION.OTHER OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR ERP TRANSITION.
WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR A WORK ORDER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW. THE GENERAL FUND OBLIGATION IS ESTIMATED AT $195,000.
OUR FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT COORDINATES WITH THE COUNTY ON SCENE.
THE COUNTY HAS CHANGED THE SOFTWARE THEY USE FOR THAT COMMUNICATION.
SO WE ALSO HAVE TO CHANGE. RIGHT NOW, THE NET DIFFERENCE TO COVER IS 26 POINT OR 26,925.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID A REORGANIZATION FOR FY 27.
THEY HAVE ELIMINATED THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIVISION.
THE INCREASE IS $25,975. OUR IT INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE.
THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE. IT IS BEING BUDGETED IN FOR A GENERAL FUND PORTION OF $230,920, AND THAT'LL BE ACROSS VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. AND SOME OF IT WILL BECOME A DEBT SERVICE.
ONE OF THEM WILL BE THE IMPACT FOR FIRE CAPTAINS.
THIS IS A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO BRING THIS RANK BACK AS OF OCTOBER 1ST.
SO WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PERSONNEL IMPACT FOR THE SALARY INCREASES.
IF THOSE EMPLOYEES DO START IN AUGUST, WE WILL BE OBLIGATED TO COVER THEIR SEMESTERS TWO AND THREE.
SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $23,000 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
CURRENTLY, OUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT IS UNDERSTAFFED, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO UTILIZE OUTSIDE CONSULTING SERVICES TO HELP WITH SOME OF OUR SOLICITATIONS. WE'VE ALREADY PROJECTED THAT SOME OF THOSE SOLICITATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE WORK INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, AND THE ESTIMATE IS AN ADDITIONAL $31,000 TO COVER THOSE SERVICES.
I'M GOING TO GO, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE OVER REVENUES, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT MILLAGE RATE, BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PIE.
WE HAVE THREE SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE GOT PRESENTED HERE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE CURRENT RATE OF 6.7, WITH AN AD VALOREM REVENUE PROJECTION OF ROUGHLY 71.5 MILLION, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, THAT WILL TAKE FOUR OUT OF FIVE OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PASS IF THAT IS SELECTED.
THEN THERE'S, OF COURSE, THE CALCULATED ROLLBACK RATE OF 6.6015, WHICH IS ROUGHLY $70.5 $5 MILLION, OR A DIFFERENCE FROM THE CURRENT RATE OF ABOUT $1 MILLION.
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THREE OF THE FIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN ORDER TO PASS THAT SELECTED SCENARIO.
WE ALSO HAVE A PROPOSED RATE CUT OF 5.5000 FOR THAT RATE, WHICH WOULD BE A ROUGH, CALCULATED REVENUE OF $58.7 MILLION, OR A REDUCTION FROM THE CURRENT SCENARIO OF 6.7 TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 12.8 MILLION, OR ALMOST $13 MILLION. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THREE OF THE FIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PASS THAT RATE.
SO JUST TO KIND OF PRESENT THE THREE SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON AS WE'VE RECEIVED THE PROPERTY DIGEST VALUES AND PUT THOSE VALUES TOGETHER, AND THEN GETTING INTO ESSENTIALLY WHAT BREAKS DOWN OUR OTHER MAJOR REVENUES.
SO YOU HAVE, OF COURSE, AD VALOREM, WHICH MAKES UP A SIGNIFICANT PORTION.
BUT THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THAT IS ROUGHLY $60.4 MILLION.
AND THAT'S MADE UP OF THINGS LIKE YOUR COMMUNICATION, SALES TAX, FRANCHISE FEES, CHARGES FOR SERVICES THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S CHARGE OUT FOR THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES, LIKE STATE SHARED REVENUES THAT WE RECEIVE.
AND THAT ROUGH PROJECTION IS ABOUT $60.4 MILLION.
JUST TO NOTE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE THAT YOU SEE THERE OF 65,000 COMPARED TO THE ACTUALS OF 389 FROM FY 25, IS USUALLY GRANT REVENUE. BUT WE TYPICALLY WON'T BUDGET THAT OUT UPFRONT JUST BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT REALLY RECURRING IN THE SENSE THAT WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
SINCE IT'S GRANT REVENUE, YOU COULD GET TURNED DOWN FOR A GRANT.
SO WE TRY NOT TO INCLUDE THAT. BUT THAT 65,000 IS TYPICALLY MADE UP OF THINGS LIKE THE P CARD REBATE, AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE VENDING MACHINE REVENUE AND THEN ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS REFUNDS.
OKAY. AND THEN JUST TO SEE THAT KIND OF IN A VISUAL COMPONENT BREAKDOWN WHERE YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR STATE SHARE AND LOCAL TAXES AND UTILITY, AS WELL AS FRANCHISE FEES MAKES UP ABOUT 78% OF THAT TOTAL IN OTHER REVENUES, WHICH IS AROUND $47 MILLION TOTAL WITH THOSE THREE COMBINED.
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IT PRESENTS A BUDGET FOR SCENARIO A THAT'S SIX SEVEN RATE OF AROUND $138 MILLION TOTAL IN EXPENDITURES, WITH REVENUES OF 136, WITH A GAP OF $2.6 MILLION.AND THAT'S INCLUDING THOSE PROPOSED OBLIGATIONS THAT JESSICA MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO KIND OF STARTING RIGHT OUT THE GATE, WE'RE AT ABOUT A $2.6 MILLION GAP THERE.
AND THEN GETTING INTO THE OTHER SCENARIOS, OF COURSE, IT EXPANDS THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WITH SCENARIO B KIND OF PRESENTING A GAP OF 3.7 MILLION AND THEN GETTING INTO A FURTHER GAP OF 15.5 MILLION IF WE GO WITH THAT 5.5 RATE.
SO JUST TO NOTE THAT THE $64 MILLION FIGURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE ACROSS ALL OF THE SCENARIOS DOES INCLUDE $4.4 MILLION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DISPLAYED ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BUDGETS THAT ESSENTIALLY CARRY FORWARD INTO THE NEXT YEAR TO CONTINUE THOSE PROJECTS AND RELATED CAPITAL EXPENSES. AND WE'LL SEE THAT HERE.
NOW, THIS SLIDE IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS WILL ACTUALLY CONSIDER THE IMPACTS OF THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION REFERENDUM, JUST TO KIND OF PROJECT OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT DOES PASS.
YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR AD VALOREM REVENUES WILL GO FROM ROUGHLY 71.5.
IF THE 6.7 RATE IS ADOPTED TO ROUGHLY $43.8 MILLION.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE TBD DEDICATED FUND BALANCE IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S UNKNOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY DETERMINED IN THE PREPARATION OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, SINCE WE REALLY WON'T KNOW WHAT FUND BALANCE USE WILL BE NEEDED TO CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS AND RELATED EXPENDITURES TO BALANCE THAT BUDGET.
SO THERE WOULD THERE'D BE A ROUGH DIFFERENCE THERE OF $26.7 MILLION IN REDUCTION.
ONCE THAT FULL EFFECT IN YEAR TWO, I BELIEVE IT IS TAKES INTO EFFECT.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN YOUR FY 29 BUDGET IF IT DOES PASS.
SO JUST AGAIN ON THAT DEDICATED FUND BALANCE IS ONLY USED TO OFFSET RE BUDGETED PROJECT BALANCES.
THE BROKEN DOWN BY DEPARTMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE FY 27 BASE BUDGET, AT THAT RATE THAT WE, WE'VE PROPOSED SIX SEVEN KIND OF THE BASE SCENARIO, YOU'LL SEE THAT IF THAT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION DOES PASS WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN FUND IN TERMS OF CITY DEPARTMENTS AND OPERATIONS TO SERVICE.
AND THAT IS THAT IS THE KIND OF REALITY OF THE SITUATION WITH THAT, BASED ON JUST HOW THE REVENUE IMPACTS ARE TO THE GENERAL FUND TO CONTINUE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. OKAY. SO WE'VE PRESENTED ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. WE KNOW IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS. SO WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AND THEN WE CAN GO FURTHER INTO THE NEXT STEPS. SO LOOKING AT THIS CHART AND WE'RE GOING TO A HYPOTHETICAL, RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING, IF THIS PASSES, WE'RE LOOKING AT NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
NO IT NO FINANCE, NO PROCUREMENT, NO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
YES, SIR. WELL IT'S IT'S ILLUSTRATIVE. RIGHT.
SO THE IDEA IS TO SHOW YOU YOUR MIC ON SIR. YES.
SO IT'S ILLUSTRATIVE. THE THE COST IS TO SHOW YOU ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF REDUCTION.
AND THAT WAS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRAWDOWN NUMBERS WOULD BE.
THE REALITY IS YOU WOULD NEED SOMEONE TO PAY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE.
SO YOU'D NEED A FINANCE PERSON PROBABLY, OR SOME OUTSOURCED CONTRACT.
YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME SORT OF LEGAL SERVICES TO MAINTAIN.
SO WHETHER YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY OR YOU'RE CONTRACTING OUT FOR THAT SERVICE.
SO HOWEVER THAT WOULD LOOK, YOU WOULD SHUFFLE THOSE COSTS AROUND AND REDUCE YOUR NUMBER OF PARKS AND FACILITIES OR REDUCTION IN EITHER, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMS OR FACILITY CLOSURES. YOU'D REDUCE YOUR NUMBER OF POLICE OR FIRE PERSONNEL OR PUBLIC WORKS PERSONNEL TO ADD BACK IN THOSE OTHER POSITIONS, JUST FOR JUST FOR CLARITY, TO SHOW THE SCALE.
NOW WITH THAT NUMBER, IT'S NOT ACCOUNTING REALLY FOR ANY OPERATIONAL MONEY.
THAT'S JUST SALARIES. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO GO DO, THERE WOULD BE NO MONEY TO GO, RIGHT. YOU'D HAVE TO START PICKING OUT OTHER BANKS OF, OF DOLLARS TO REPROGRAM THAT MONEY BACK IN.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE IT AS SIMPLY AS POSSIBLE RATHER THAN ME SAYING, WELL, WE KEEP ONE LEGISLATIVE PERSON AND WE KEEP ONE CITY MANAGER PERSON. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE DECISIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE. SO, BUT, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S THE SCALE OF WHAT YOU COULD FUND PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR SURE, AS WE'VE HEARD, IS AN UNEQUIVOCAL. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT OVER TO FUND FUND A FEW PERSONNEL. THANK YOU.
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CARRY ON. SOMEBODY GOT BUZZED IN THE DELAY, GOT COUNCILMAN HAMMEL WHILE I WAS IN TALLAHASSEE.THERE'S DISCUSSION ON WHEN YOU HAVE BUDGETED AREAS LIKE THIS THAT THE EXCESS FUND FROM THE STATE WOULD BE COMING DOWN. ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO THAT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN THEY PASS SOMETHING LIKE THIS TAX, THERE'S AN IMPLEMENTATION BILL BEHIND IT THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DONE, AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT. SO I JUST ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE OKAY? THIS, THIS EXCESS THAT THE STATE IS COLLECTING IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING DOWN.
I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET, OR SEEN A DRAFT OR A SCHEMATIC OR FORMULA OR PROPOSAL.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ONE DOESN'T EXIST. I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
THANK YOU. CARRY ON. SO OUR NEXT STEPS FROM HERE ARE FOR DISCUSSION, FOR THE PROPOSED RATE FOR US TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT WHATEVER YOU SET THE RATE AT, WE CAN GO BELOW, BUT WE CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT NUMBER.
OKAY. SO ANYONE WANT TO START OFF? YES, SIR. SO I CAN SORT OF BAT CLEAN UP HERE.
SO I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE WINS. I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE I'M SURE THESE ARE THE LOGICAL QUESTIONS EVERYONE'S GOING TO ASK. WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? WHERE ARE WE REALLY AT? WHAT HAVE WE DONE THIS YEAR TO PREPARE? WHERE HAVE WE GOTTEN TO TODAY? SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME ROUND NUMBERS THAT ARE ACCURATE, THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT INTO THESE ASSUMPTIONS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. AND THAT'S A LITTLE DISCOURAGING FOR ME. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. SO CURRENTLY, THROUGH THE HARD AND SOFT FREEZE, WE HAVE FROZEN AN ESTIMATED 63 POSITIONS ACROSS ALL FUNDS WITH A SALARY SAVINGS PROJECTED OF $6.8 MILLION.
OKAY. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT CAN CONTINUE ON FOREVER.
AND I JUST WALKED INTO THE ENGINE AND I THREW A BUCKET OF WATER ON THE COAL.
WE'RE GOING TO ROLL FOR A WHILE, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT OF MOMENTUM, BECAUSE WE NEED TO PUT IN THOSE SYSTEMS OF, FIRST OF ALL, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. AGAIN, BACK TO THE JURASSIC PARK ANALOGY.
I LOVE THAT SCENE WHEN HE SAYS, WELL, YOU'RE TOO BUSY ASKING, COULD YOU DO IT? WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING? RIGHT? SO WE'VE BEEN QUESTIONING OURSELVES, WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING? WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? WHAT ARE OUR GOALS? AND I HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S OUR FOCUS.
AND ADDITIONALLY WITH THAT ASSET TRACKING, THAT'S NOT A NICE TO HAVE.
RIGHT NOW. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A COST. I CAN'T TELL YOU AN AVERAGE OF HOW MUCH ASPHALT, HOW MUCH STAFF TIME, WHAT THE EQUIPMENT COMPONENT IS, WHAT THE VEHICLE PRORATED COST IS RIGHT OF DOING THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE ESSENTIAL FOR FOR TRUE BUDGETING AND BUDGET ALIGNMENT MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON, RIGHT? WE'VE IDENTIFIED AN UNFILLED ADDITIONAL 18 POSITIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT WOULD PROBABLY GENERATE AN ONGOING NET SAVINGS OF $2 MILLION. RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD. BUT LET'S ALSO GO BACK FOR A MINUTE TO THE WINDOW. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'VE GOTTEN HERE. SO WE DID THE P COMPLETED THE P CAR TRANSITION DOSAGE.
WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SELF DOGE AND DOGE REALLY COMES IN THREE FLAVORS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S THE FISCAL COMPONENT, WHICH IS IS A BIG PART OF IT. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE. WHAT DO YOU CUT? BUT THERE'S ALSO A TRANSPARENCY COMPONENT.
IT'S VERY CLEAR HOW WE'RE BEING MORE TRANSPARENT.
AND THERE IS THE CUSTOMER SERVICE OR WHAT THEY CALL THE EFFICIENCY COMPONENT, RIGHT. SO DOSAGE IS A BLEND OF THREE THINGS THAT SORT OF TUG AT EACH OTHER, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND MORE EFFICIENCY. BUT GENERALLY THAT USUALLY HAS A COST TO GET TO THOSE POINTS.
SO WE COMPLETED OUR INITIAL COMPLETION, THE P CARD TRANSITION, AS WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND IN THAT WE EVALUATED SPENDING LIMITS, WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF CARDS.
WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ENHANCED CONTROLS. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH 65TH NORTH AND DONE ON SPOT AUDITS OF PURCHASED ITEMS. OKAY. THAT'S DOGE FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE. THAT'S TRANSPARENCY.
WE'VE HAD A WHOLESALE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS CHANGE IN THE CITY THAT HAS GONE AWAY FROM THE BIDS AND THE HIGHEST BIDDER TO THE CMAA AND GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE MODEL. ANOTHER INITIATIVE MOVING FORWARD THAT THAT SERVES THE CITY IS THE FIRST TIME, THE FIRST TIME IN AT LEAST TEN YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S AS FAR BACK AS INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY GOES, WHERE YOUR STAFF AND THIS CITY HAS NOT MADE A SINGLE FUND REQUEST FROM FUND BALANCE IN AN ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR.
AND IT'S ALLOWED US TO TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS AND DEBT PAYMENTS.
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THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL CHARGE OF THE STATE. IT'S AN ESSENTIAL CHARGE OF YOURS.WE'RE MAKING TREMENDOUS PROGRESS, AND I AND I AM NOT HERE TRYING TO BEAT OUR OWN DRUM. BUT YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THE STAFF THEY HAVE MADE IN 12 MONTHS. INCREDIBLE PROGRESS TO COMPLETELY CHANGE A BUDGET SCENARIO. WE HAVE REJECTED AND HELD THE LINE ON ALL THE SALARY INCREASES AND RE CLASSES THAT USED TO COME ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
WE PROCESSED THEM IN WITH THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, ANOTHER FIRST THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN TEN YEARS. HERE TO TRY TO KEEP A HANDLE ON OUR SALARY INCREASES AND GROWTH. WE'VE IDENTIFIED SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS.
WE'VE HAD STAFF FOCUS ON PRIORITIES, NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL.
WE CANCELED 283 PROJECTS THIS YEAR, DOWN TO 86, RELIEVING THE CITY OF MORE THAN $60 MILLION IN FUTURE COMMITMENT OBLIGATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IS A MASSIVE DODGE EFFORT, A MASSIVE WIN FOR THE CITY. OKAY.
WE'VE ELIMINATED SOME INTERNAL SERVICES. AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT SHOULD WE DO? AND IT'S DIFFICULT. AND YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS PROBABLY AGAIN TONIGHT FOR EVERYTHING WE DO AND FOR EVERY LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET, THERE IS A CONSTITUENCY. AND FOR SOMEONE WHO WILL ARGUE AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? THERE'LL BE SOME WHO ARE SAYING, DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY. RIGHT? WE EXPERIENCED THAT IN PASSPORT SERVICES. WE DID ELIMINATE PASSPORT SERVICES TO SAVE THAT 15175 ISH A YEAR.
ELIMINATE ANOTHER FTE TITAN IN OUR OPERATIONS AS WE LOOK HOLISTICALLY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN GET PASSPORTS, I THINK AT FOUR LOCATIONS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF CITY HALL, WE TOOK AWAY IN THEIR MIND A SERVICE, BUT NOT A SERVICE I THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING AS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICE. IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE.
WE'VE ELIMINATED OUTSIDE CONTRACTING AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN TERMS OF AGAIN, IS IT NECESSARY? NOT NECESSARY. WE'RE MOVING WHEREVER WE CAN TO A COST RECOVERY MODEL.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN WE PROCESS, FOR EXAMPLE, A FINAL PLAT, A LARGE PROJECT, A PROJECT ON THE SCALE OF A 800 LOT SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? WE ARE LITERALLY COLLECTING PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
WHEN YOU GO TO AN ENGINEER AND ASK FOR THEIR SERVICES, IT'S AN HOURLY RATE. WHEN YOU GO TO A PRIVATE PLANNING COMPANY, IT'S AN HOURLY RATE, AND WE'RE GIVING THOSE SERVICES AWAY TO SOME EXTENT. IT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE. YOU'LL SEE US ASK FOR A RATE ADJUSTMENT THIS YEAR THAT MOVES.
MEANING YEAH, UTILITIES IS AN ENTERPRISE. BUT IF THEY'RE USING IT SERVICES, THEY PAY FOR WHAT THEY USE OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE. IF THEY'RE USING HR SERVICES, ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE PAYING BACK FOR WHAT THEY USE. WE HAVE A FEW MORE COST RECOVERY THINGS TO DO. RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE SOME SOME BIG INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE DONE.
AGAIN, I THINK I MENTIONED WE IDENTIFIED AN ADDITIONAL 7 TO 15 GENERAL FUND POSITIONS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A SLIDE. AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU SAW VERSION ONE OF THE ITERATION.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY EXAMPLES WITH THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO REDO OUR NEWSLETTERS, WITH THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO ENGAGE, TO THE CITY MANAGER COFFEES, TO THE AMOUNT OF OPEN HOUSES WE DO. SO YOU SAW THE V ONE. THIS IS THE V TWO.
BRIAN IS ADAMANT. HE'S VERY MAD AT ME THAT IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME YET, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS TO FIX, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CLICK ON ANY PROJECT IN THE CITY AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT BY CAPITAL.
YOU CAN LOOK AT IT BY ROAD, BY CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN DRILL DOWN, SEE WHEN IT STARTED, WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO STOP, WHAT THE PROJECT NUMBER WAS, WHAT THE BUDGET WAS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR YEARS.
WE ARE SUPER CLOSE TO HAVING THIS FULLY FUNCTIONAL, EDITABLE BY DEPARTMENTS ON EACH LEVEL.
AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY IS FANTASTIC. IT COST MONEY.
THAT WAS A LOT OF STAFF TIME, STAFF ENGAGEMENT, OUR INCREDIBLE GIS TEAM UTILITIES.
RIGHT? SO IT'S AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THESE THINGS.
IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS SERVICES, TRANSPARENCY AND CUSTOMER SERVICE, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE TO BE TO GIVE THAT TRANSPARENCY AND TO PROVIDE THE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU KIND OF THE UPDATE OF THE HIGH LEVEL INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO GET HERE SO FAR.
AND THEN IF WE WANT TO DIVE IN, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DIVE IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP YOU WANT TO GO TONIGHT INTO THOSE VARYING BUDGET SCENARIOS. WE CAN SORT OF SHARE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND AS THAT BUDGET STANDS, THERE ARE NO NEW FACILITIES PROJECTS BEING OPENED FOR MAINTENANCE.
THERE ARE NO NEW VEHICLES BEING PURCHASED FOR ANYBODY.
SO EVEN IN THE BEST SCENARIO, AT THE HIGHEST MILLAGE 6.7, WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO CLOSE A $2 MILLION GAP WITH NO NEW PROJECTS STARTED, NO POLICE CARS BEING PURCHASED, NO PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES BEING PURCHASED, ZERO FLEET PURCHASE ZERO ZERO NEW PROJECTS BEING BEING STARTED.
THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL PROACTIVE PROJECTS, BATHROOM REMODELS, PARK SERVICES PROJECTS.
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AND AS YOU SAW IN THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. WE'VE GOT DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS, WE'VE GOT MANDATES COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE LEVEL.YOU COMMUNITY ABSORBED THE CUT. SO WE TOOK THE LEADING MEASURE OF WHAT DO WE CUT? WHAT DO WE TRIM? WHAT DO WE STOP INTERNALLY AND HOW DO WE GET A HANDLE ON EVERY SINGLE COST WE CAN BEFORE WE EVEN CONSIDER DO WE AUGMENT SERVICES? DO WE STOP DELIVERING CERTAIN SERVICES? BUT WHAT IS THAT REAL CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF MOVING FORWARD, OF WHAT THE CURRENT FISCAL CLIMATE LOOKS LIKE WITH OUR 3% CAP, THAT'S WHAT WE LIVE WITH.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN HAMMEL, I'LL START WITH YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? I'M THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED.
THIS IS THIS IS AMAZING. THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I IMAGINED.
AS IN, AS IN WHEN SOMEBODY ASKED, WHAT'S GOING HERE? YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK IT UP, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, SEE HOW MUCH IT'S SPENT SEEING WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM.
BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IS, WHY IS WHY ARE WE DOING THIS OVER HERE? WHEN YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE ITS IMPACT FEES AND THE IMPACT FEES HAVE TO BE SPENT THERE.
IT KIND OF EXPLAINS IT. AND IT'S IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I LOVE SEEING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO DIVE IN TO WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE THREE OPTIONS LOOKS LIKE ON THE, ON THE SCALE OF EVEN AT THE 5.5, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE CUTTING AWAY TO REACH 5.5? SO, YOU KNOW, AND I HOPE YOU REMEMBER THIS AND I HATE TO KEEP BRINGING IT UP, BUT WHEN I INTERVIEWED HERE ABOUT 13 MONTHS AGO AND WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THIS CHALLENGE BY YOU GUYS AND SAID, LOOK, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO CUT YOUR WAY OUT OF. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE ATTACKS ARE WAY OUT OF. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN EARN YOUR WAY OUT OF IT, ESPECIALLY IN A YEAR, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THE 5.5 IS DOABLE, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A FLAVOR AND IT'S A COMBINATION IN THE FIRST YEAR OF ROLL UP SAVINGS AND A COMBINATION OF FURTHER DEFERMENTS, RIGHT. SO, SO HERE'S, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. IT'S NOT SET IN STONE BECAUSE THIS IS INTERNAL US LOOKING AT WHAT WE THINK AND COUNCIL ULTIMATELY GIVES US GUIDANCE.
BUT AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THOSE SALARY YEAR END SAVINGS ESTIMATES, 6.865 MILLION ROLLING UP, POSSIBLY THE DEFERMENT OF SOME ADDITIONAL POLICE POSITIONS AND THE DISCUSSIONS OF ACCELERATING OUR 911 COMM CENTER MERGER WITH BREVARD COUNTY.
A FURTHER ADDITIONAL 18 POSITION REDUCTION IN THE GENERAL FUND WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SCENARIOS. CLOSING THE POOL SAVES THE CITY MORE THAN 2.5 MILLION, ALMOST $3 MILLION A YEAR. AND IF YOU USED A UNIQUE USER BASE, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND CHARGED THOSE INDIVIDUAL USERS, YOU KNOW, IT'S $400 A YEAR PER PERSON OR MORE TO USE THE POOL FOR THE UNIQUE USER ACCOUNT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I DOUBT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PAY. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE INTERIM? RATHER THAN JUST COME OUT OF THE GATE WITH CLOSING THE POOL TO GET TO THAT $15 MILLION CUT? WE'RE TRYING TO FIND ALTERNATE OPERATORS, ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF DELIVERY.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. HOW DO WE GET TO THE $15 MILLION? WE'VE GOT SOME ONE TIME REVENUE ROLL FORWARDS WE CAN MAKE TO GET TO THAT $15 MILLION.
WE PUT ALL OF OUR OPERATIONAL WEBSITE AND AI INITIATIVES.
AGAIN. WHAT WE WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US TIME AND AGAIN, THEY WANT PHONE ACCESS. THEY WANT IN-PERSON ACCESS. WE'D REDUCE A LOT OF OUR TRADE SHOW MEMBERSHIPS, REDUCE AND PROPOSED TO ELIMINATE ANY KIND OF SPONSORSHIPS WE DO, WHETHER IT'S EDC OR THE SPACE COAST, WHETHER IT'S ANY CLUBS, WHETHER IT'S PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIPS FOR CITY STAFF AND EMPLOYEES. WE COULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO. CONSIDER RETURNING THE SORRY TO BREAK YOUR HEART.
MAYOR CONSIDER RETURNING THE VSO TO THE COUNTY TO SAVE $200,000 A YEAR FOR A SERVICE THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR ELIMINATE THE PUBLIC WORKS FLEET MANAGEMENT FUND, $300,000. WE WOULD ALSO PROPOSE IN THAT FIRST YEAR TO LESSEN THE BLOW TO.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED FIVE PROPERTIES SO FAR THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR LIQUIDATION.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE FIVE MORE ON THE HEELS OF THAT.
THAT WON'T BE A NEVER ENDING STREAM, BUT WE PROBABLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF REVENUE TO MAKE, AND WE'D LOOK TO DO SOME ONE TIME DISBURSEMENTS BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,
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ROAD MAINTENANCE COSTS, WHICH I KNOW IS A PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL. SO WE LOOK TO DEFER 1 TO $2 MILLION IN ROAD MAINTENANCE COSTS, WITH THE PROMISE OF THOSE REVENUES BEING REPLACED BY REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS IN THAT FIRST YEAR.AND THEN AGAIN, SOME OTHER THINGS WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT IS RAISING GARBAGE RATES, AT LEAST TO JUST FUND THOSE THREE PERSONNEL THAT NEED TO BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THAT FUND. AND QUITE CANDIDLY, LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY.
SO THAT $15 MILLION AND THOSE ROLLUPS GETS US A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
WE WILL NEED TO BE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS IF WE GO TO THE FIVE FIVE OR IF THE IF THE TAX PASSES, NO ONE'S GOING TO HEAR THIS. BUT I NEED TO TELL EVERYBODY THE TRUTH. WE WILL BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FROM STAFF ABOUT A CITYWIDE FIRE ASSESSMENT TO PAY FOR THE COST OF FIRE SERVICES. WE WILL BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ASKING YOU TO REMOVE OUR STORMWATER COLLECTION, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS ONLY HITTING ABOUT A 50 TO 60% COLLECTION RATE. WE'RE LOSING.
THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE YEAR BEFORE LAST, WE LOST ALMOST $2 MILLION. WE'RE BANKRUPTING OUR STORMWATER FUND, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN APPARENT RISK. BUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE GENERAL FUND MONEY AND PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONS TO WORK ON STORMWATER ISSUES, WE WILL NOTICE IT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE AN UNCONTROLLABLE FLOOD WHEN WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING OR MANAGING OUR CANALS. SO THAT $15 MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER ULTIMATELY LEADS TO REAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT SERVICES THEY REALLY WANT, WHAT THEY WANT TO PAY FOR, AND HOW WE PAY FOR IT.
AND SO THE WAY I WAS TAUGHT YEARS AGO IN SCHOOL WAS THE ONLY QUESTION OF, OF, OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
REALLY EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO IT IS FISCAL HETEROGENEITY.
IN ESSENCE, WHAT DO WE WANT? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW AND WHO WANTS TO PAY FOR IT.
I THINK WE'RE SHOWING YOU, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIMMED, WE'VE CUT, WE'VE REDUCED, WE'VE STOPPED, WE'VE STOPPED SPENDING. WE SHOWED TREMENDOUS RETURN TO THE GENERAL FUND AGAIN THIS YEAR.
AND I HOPE I GET THE NUMBER CORRECT. I'M NOT INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO MISLEAD YOU. I'M GOING TO BE IN THE BALLPARK. BUT FDOT GOT UP THERE AND OPINED THAT THEIR PROJECT CAPITAL COSTS HAVE RAISED 66%, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING.
SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME FOCUSING ON OUTPUTS.
NO ONE YET AT THE STATE LEVEL IS TALKING ABOUT INPUTS. WHY HAVE CONSTRUCTION COSTS GONE UP? THE STATE FDOT BUDGET HAS GONE UP 56%, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS FROM 10 BILLION TO 16 BILLION.
WE'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT, RIGHT? DIFFERENT SCALE.
BUT ALL OF US ARE ALSO WRESTLING WITH THESE COST INPUTS, COST INPUTS OF LABOR, COST, INPUTS OF MATERIALS, COST, INPUTS OF CAPITAL COST, INPUTS OF PROJECTS, EQUIPMENT.
RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE REALITIES. NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE CUT, WE CAN'T ESCAPE FROM UNLESS WE WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO PAY FOR OR WHAT SERVICES ARE WE WILLING TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, AND I GOT ONE MORE.
SO THE 138447802 IS BEFORE THE 6.8 FROM THE FREEZE AND THE 2.0 FOR THE.
YEAH, FOR THE ONES THAT AREN'T FILLED YET THAT ARE CORRECT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, MR. MARTIN. THIS ONE, THE FIRST PART IS IMPRESSIVE.
THE OTHER PART IS CONCERNING. THE FIRST QUESTION, SIR, WITH THE NUMBERS IN REGARDS TO THE POSSIBLE FUTURE DO WE BASE THOSE NUMBERS OR WAS THAT FROM THE BREVARD PROPERTY APPRAISER.
SO THAT IS THE DATA THAT WAS PASSED DOWN TO US.
THAT FILTERED THROUGH THE LARGE PROJECT THAT FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES HAD COMPLETED, SHOWING WHAT WE KNEW OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS TO BE BASED OFF, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR'S YEAR END ACTUALS. AM I CORRECT? IT WAS LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS. I AM OKAY, AND YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO ASSUMES A SNAPSHOT IN TIME.
WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING DOWN. AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION STARTS, WHICH DOES PROVIDE A LOT OF REVENUE FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OPERATIONS. SO WE'RE WE'RE SNAPSHOTTING IN TIME ALSO KNOWING THAT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE WINDS, THINGS ARE STARTING TO TREND TOWARDS A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOWDOWN.
BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST AN EDUCATED GUESS AT THIS POINT.
YEAH. IT'S THE WAY THE PENDULUM SWINGS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
FOLLOW UP QUESTION. WELL, I GUESS MORE OF A COMMENT FOR EVERYBODY.
I KNOW LAST COUNCIL MEETING I WAS BRINGING UP PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE STAFF JUMPING ON IT. THE REASON WHY I WAS BRINGING IT UP WASN'T MORE SO FOR COUNCIL.
I FEEL WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MILLAGE RATE AND THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET, IT'S WE SHOULD NOT MAKE IT BASED OFF OF WHAT COULD OR COULD BE VOTED ON OR APPROVED OR DENIED. BUT WHAT I WAS HOPING WAS MORE SO, WHICH Y'ALL DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, WAS TO PROVIDE JUST THE FACTUAL INFORMATION OF HOW THIS
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WILL AFFECT SERVICES FOR THE VOTERS AND FOR THE RESIDENTS.SO THEY SEE, OKAY, A VOTE YES ON THIS COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT PARKS.
A VOTE YES ON THIS COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT PROCUREMENT OR WHATEVER ELSE CASE MAY BE.
SO THAT WAS MORE I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT. BUT THAT WAS MORE SO MY MINDSET BEHIND IT OF JUST EDUCATING PEOPLE OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT WILL NOT TAKING A BIASED DECISION, JUST THIS IS THE INFORMATION AT HAND, LIKE YOU MENTIONED LAST THURSDAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.
I'M DEFINITELY WITH YOU REGARDLESS OF HOW THINGS GO OF IN REGARDS TO THE STORMWATER STORMWATER FUND, I DID NOT REALIZE WE WERE LOSING THAT MUCH. AND, AND WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A SERVICE FEE. WHAT I WILL SAY, WHILE IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST WELL, FIRST QUESTION, HAS THE CITIZEN TASK FORCE MADE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS BUDGET OR NOT YET.
NOT YET. WE DO HAVE A MEMBER HERE TONIGHT, BUT NO, THEY'VE NOT MADE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THIS FIRST COUPLE MONTHS HAS BEEN. I'VE BEEN AT EVERY MEETING.
IT'S BEEN GETTING UP TO SPEED. IT'S BEEN PRESENTING HOW MUNICIPAL BUDGETS WORK, WHAT OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE BASICALLY GIVEN THE CRASH LEVEL COURSE, ANSWERING SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THEY'VE HAD OUT OF EACH MEETING, BRINGING FORWARD INFORMATION ON DEBT OBLIGATIONS, HOW WE DO DEBT SERVICE REVENUE FUNDS, WHAT THAT MEANS, PERSONNEL COSTS, SERVICE DELIVERY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEM READY TO START THAT ITERATIVE DIALOG WITH STAFF ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS, IDEAS AND OBSERVATIONS. OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THEIR FEEDBACK.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. WHY YOU, WHY YOU CHAMPIONED IT.
MAYOR. SO I WOULD LIKE THEIR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MAKE OUR FIRST VOTE.
ANOTHER THING, IT'S CALLED THE CITIZENS ADVISORY TASK FORCE.
SO TO SEE IF THEY CAN PUT THIS ON THEIR AGENDA FOR A DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY TAX REFERENDUM, IS TO ADVISE THE CITIZENS. SO THIS IS A KEY COMPONENT IN THE TIMING, I THINK IS DIVINE IN REGARDS TO EVERYTHING, HOW QUICKLY THINGS ARE MOVING. SO THAT'S ANOTHER TALKING POINT.
I THINK MR. FELTMAN AND ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN SPEAK ON LAST THING INITIALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN REGARDS TO 20% BUDGET REDUCTION. AND THEN DOCTOR ROBINSON INFORMED ME IT WOULD BE MORE OF A 15 MILLION IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, A 15 MILLION REDUCTION. IS THAT WHERE THE 5.5 NUMBER COMES FROM? SO I BELIEVE THE 5.5 IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN 20% ACROSS THE BOARD.
MY INITIAL CHALLENGE TO STAFF TO GET THEIR HEAD IN THE GAME WAY LAST YEAR, RIGHT WHEN WE STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS, JUST IT'S JUST SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS DONE AT A HABIT. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS VALUABLE THIS SOON. JUST HAVING LIVED THROUGH THE GREAT RECESSION IS PARTLY ALSO DRIVEN BY THE SAME QUESTION I ASK EVERY YEAR THE ZERO BASE, BUT NOT QUITE. SHOW ME HOW YOU DELIVER THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICES BY REDUCING YOUR BUDGET BY 20%. THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE. NOW. THOSE CAME IN AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.
WE HAD SOME DEPARTMENTS COME AND AND GIVE INCREDIBLE REDUCTIONS.
WE HAD SOME SAY, HEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT. WE HAD SOME THAT DIDN'T PARTICIPATE AT ALL. AND SO NOW IT'S BEEN UP TO US AS THE CITY MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP TEAM FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH FINANCE TO GO THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, WE GOT WHAT WAS OFFERED.
WHERE ELSE DO WE NEED TO GO TO ACHIEVE THIS? THIS IF THIS IS THE NUMBER, WHAT WE PROMISE.
I TOLD YOU I WOULD CRAFT A BUDGET IF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE SHOWING THAT $15 MILLION REDUCTION, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ABOUT A 1.5 MILLS. IT'S TECHNICALLY A TINY BIT LESS THAN THAT, BUT WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER OF SHOWING THAT THAT WHERE WE COULD ELIMINATE $15 MILLION AGAIN, AT LEAST FOR NEXT YEAR. WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE STRUGGLING WITH ONGOING COSTS AND SOME, AGAIN, SOME I DON'T WANT, I'M NOT TRYING ANY SLEIGHT OF HAND. THERE'LL BE SOME ONE TIME MOVEMENT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN UTILIZE SOME ONE TIME SAVINGS.
BUT WE'D SHIFT THAT MONEY AROUND TO ACCOMPLISH THAT NUMBER IN YEAR ONE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW ON WITH IF WE GO TO THAT RATE AND LET'S SAY EVERYONE SAYS, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED AT SIX 6 OR 6 SEVEN, WHATEVER IT IS.
SO THAT WILL BE THE BUDGETING REALITY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT COMPRESSION EVERY YEAR OF -3 OR 4%.
REGARDLESS, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER PENSION BOND IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, 14 MONTHS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. WE JUST PAID OFF THE $38 MILLION PENSION BOND FROM 2008.
THOSE ARE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE NEED TO START HAVING ABOUT REALLY THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATING THAT AND HOW WE APPORTION COSTS AND ASSIGNMENTS AND EMPLOYEE SHARES AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF PAYING FOR THE EXCELLENT SERVICE WE GET FROM FIRE AND POLICE.
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THAT IS JUST A RECOGNIZABLE, NOT THROWING SHADE. THAT'S A RECOGNIZABLE CAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO THAT WILL CONTINUE TO FURTHER DRIVE WHAT SERVICES WE WANT OR NEED TO PROVIDE AND AGAIN, WHAT MANNER WE PROVIDE THOSE AS WE PRIORITIZE AROUND EXISTING OBLIGATIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW, HOPEFULLY STARTING TO DEAL WITH THE COST INPUT SIDE, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN IN THE LOCAL LEVEL. WE NEED ACTION ON THE STATE LEVEL IF POSSIBLE.AND THEN BALANCE OUR ONGOING OBLIGATIONS, RISKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
ALL THOSE THINGS CHANGE. POSSIBLY TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THAT DIDN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN A REDUCTION IN THEIR BUDGET, DID THEY SHARE WHY OR WAS IT JUST A STRONG STANCE? NO, NO, I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE CAME AND DID THE BEST THEY CAN.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO THROW ANY SHADE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXERCISE WITH YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT TO YOU. SINCE I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE THERE, YOUR CHARTER OFFICER, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT ANY BUDGET REDUCTIONS YOU SEE FIT. AND THAT WAS ONE THAT DIDN'T PARTICIPATE. I DIDN'T WANT TO CALL THAT OUT. SO AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO, TO DETERMINE AND ANALYZE.
AND I DON'T MONITOR, MAINTAIN OR KNOW ABOUT THAT BUDGET AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, BUT EVERYONE ELSE DID COME WITH SOME POSITION FREEZES, ELIMINATIONS, COST REDUCTIONS, CONTRACT ELIMINATIONS. I MEAN, PEOPLE I THINK DID IN LARGE PART, ESPECIALLY IN ROUND ONE.
AND THEN AGAIN IN ROUND TWO, THE BEST WORK THEY CAN FOR THE CITY.
YES SIR. LAST QUESTION. SORRY. DO WE STILL HAVE THAT GRANT ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK? SO, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE TO GIVE THANKS TO, YOU KNOW, OUR REPS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO ANDREW CARLYLE AND SUNRISE.
YEAH, THEY HAVE BEEN WEEKLY STATUS CHECKING THAT GRANT LITERALLY.
AND WE WERE VERY ENCOURAGED. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I HAD SHARED SOME INFORMATION AT MARIO'S RETIREMENT.
AND AS OF THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK WE HAD NOT HEARD ANY ADDITIONAL UPDATES.
IT'S BEEN ADVOCATED FOR. THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE KNOWS ABOUT IT.
I SAID, ANYTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU? THIS WAS LAST WEEK. I SAID ONE THING.
IF MISS MOODY AND MR. DESANTIS STILL TALK, JUST PUT A BUG IN THE EAR THAT PALM BAY REALLY, REALLY, REALLY COULD USE THAT JOBS GROWTH GRANT, IT'D BE TREMENDOUS FOR US.
IT'D BE TREMENDOUS FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT TREMENDOUS FOR BREVARD COUNTY. AND SO WE HAVE NOT STOPPED ASKING AND CONTINUING TO ASK FOR THAT, BUT I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE AT THIS POINT. OKAY, BUT THE MONEY APPARENTLY DID ROLL IN REVERT, SO IT'S NOT OFF THE TABLE, NOR DO WE NEED TO APPLY AGAIN.
I WAS TOLD WE'RE STILL IN THE PILE ON THE LIST AND JUST WAITING.
JUST WAITING. PATIENCE. AND AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, WHEN I SENT OUT A MEMO A FEW MONTHS BACK.
WE'RE NOT LETTING THAT DIE. THAT'S A COUNCILMAN, HAMMER SAID.
WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF THE PRIORITIES OR MOST PRIORITIES, BUT WE'VE STILL GOT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE COMPOUND. WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DELIVERED OUT OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR, AND THANK YOU COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, FOR BRINGING UP THE CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU.
MAYOR. MR. MORGAN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THE IT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IS OR THE UPGRADE IS? IS THAT RELATED TO ERP OR IS THAT. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE TAIL ON THE LAST PIECES OF THE DIRECT FIBER CONNECTIONS.
DOCTOR ROBINSON, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M BEING 100% CLEAR BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY SET THIS IN MOTION.
SURE. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT HANDLES OUR NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE CAN'T DISCUSS TOO MUCH OPENLY, BUT IT HANDLES ALL OF OUR NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL THE DATA THAT FLOWS THROUGHOUT OUR NETWORK. OKAY. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND THE ELIMINATION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE THIRD FLOOR OF BUILDING E? THAT IS MY STANCE AT THIS POINT IS WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THOSE A ARPA INTEREST AND DECIDE IF THAT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO CONTINUE FORWARD.
I DO NOT HAVE THE DESIGN ESTIMATE BACK YET. I KNOW IT'S OUT.
WE ALSO PUT A CAVEAT IN THAT SOLICITATION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR DESIGN.
IF YOU'VE GOT A BETTER SOLUTION, PLEASE TELL US A BETTER WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL.
PLEASE TELL US A CHEAPER, BETTER VALUE DRIVEN SOLUTION.
SO WE ASKED THAT QUESTION JUST AS WE DID ON THE BRIDGE. WE SAID, HERE'S OUR HERE'S OUR WORK. IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING BETTER, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO TELL US. BUT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, EVEN IF FROM THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW YET FROM THE BID RETURN THAT WE WOULD GET THAT MONEY, WE'D EXPEND THE 1.7 1.8 MILLION IN ARP INTEREST, BUT WE'D STILL PROBABLY NEED AN ADDITIONAL 400,000 FOR THE BUILDING,
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AND THAT WOULD BE BASE MINIMUM. WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC WALL AS CONTEMPLATED, MAY NOT NEED IT, BUT SOME OTHER THINGS. SO IT'S IT'S A IT'S A ARPA INTEREST PLUS HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.WHAT'S A TRAFFIC WALL? YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION, DEPUTY MAYOR, ABOUT POTENTIALLY THE REGIONAL OPERATIONS CENTER HOSTING OUR TRAFFIC DATA AND CAMERAS. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT INTERNALLY FOR ITS I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OR NOT, BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME ON SITE LIVE FEED DATA, PROBABLY REQUIRED FOR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS TO COORDINATE AND MONITOR THE INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SIGNALING. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THE CURRENT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXISTS IN THE PD COULD BE LINKED, SHARED OR OTHERWISE DUAL PURPOSE. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE QUESTIONS STILL TO ASK.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE THE GARBAGE RATES YOU MENTIONED? YEAH. NO. LIKE WE WON'T BE EXPECTING AN INCREASE FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE WOULD JUST INCREASE RATES THAT WE'RE CHARGING TO.
YEAH. SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SMALL ANNUAL INCREASE, ANNUAL INCREASE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT'S BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S AROUND 3%. I WAS GOING TO SAY AROUND 3%. BUT TRADITIONALLY, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST CAME IN, WE WERE SUBSIDIZING THE GARBAGE OPERATION. I THINK THE YEAR I GOT HERE THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE SUBSIDIZED TO ABOUT 1.5 OR $1.7 MILLION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THIRD AND ONE GUY HAD 15 GARBAGE CANS HE WASN'T PAYING FOR, RIGHT? SO WE TRIED TO RIGHTSIZE TO MAKE SURE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO TONNAGE.
THEY'RE BEING SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL FUND. AND PART OF WHAT I LIKE TO DO, IF FOR NOTHING ELSE, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLEARLY SEE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR MONEY PAYS FOR. AND THAT'S PART OF THAT RIGHTSIZING EFFORT.
SO IN ORDER TO TRUE UP THE COST OF GARBAGE SERVICES, WE NEED TO MOVE THOSE LAST THREE EMPLOYEES FULLY FUNDED OUT OF THE GARBAGE ENTERPRISE CONTRACT, WHICH WILL PROBABLY ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THE PROPOSED REPUBLIC RATE INCREASE THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRUING UP THAT COST OF SERVICE.
THAT'S A PROPOSAL I HAVE NOT CRAFTED, BUT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTED MILLAGE IS GOING TO BE FOR THE GEO BOND? YES WE DO. PRESENTATION ON THE GEO PROJECT COMING IS THE LAST MEETING IN JULY. NOW TO GET KICKED TO THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.
DO WE HAVE MR. BRINKLEY HERE? FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.
SO LAST YEAR THE DEBT MILLAGE WAS 0.9993. AND THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE 0.9385.
SO IT HAS GONE DOWN. OKAY. SO WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING THE OVERALL AD VALOREM.
AND AND IN MY OPINION, THE GEO BOND MILLAGE RATE.
SO IT'S GOING TO MAKE THINGS DIFFICULT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A GOOD BOND RATING NOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY TWO TWO LARGE CATEGORIES OF BONDS.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH I THINK WILL REMAIN STABLE IN YOUR ENTERPRISE BONDS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT RATEPAYERS TO JUSTIFY THE SOURCE OF THE BONDING REQUIREMENTS. I THINK GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FROM OUR FINANCIAL SCENARIO WILL BE DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO OBTAIN IN ANY REALISTIC AMOUNT, BECAUSE WE JUST WON'T HAVE THE REVENUES TO PLEDGE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FINANCIAL PICTURE IN THAT SCENARIO, I DON'T SEE US HAVING THE REVENUES TO PLEDGE UNLESS YOU MADE A LEGISLATIVE CARVE OUT, WHICH I DON'T EVEN THINK IN PERPETUITY. YOU CAN BIND YOURSELF TO THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. SO JUST BUZZED IN. BUT BUT YEAH, GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS MIGHT BE A THING OF THE PAST FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND A LOT OF FLORIDA COMMUNITIES. I DON'T WANT TO SINGLE US OUT. WE JUST WE WON'T. WE WON'T HAVE THAT AD VALOREM PLEDGE.
I DON'T BELIEVE, UNTIL WE BALANCE OPERATIONS.
AND IF WE DO, IT'LL BE A VERY SMALL AMOUNT THAT I THINK WE'D BE CAPABLE TO REPAY.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS JUST INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WHAT IS WHAT IS THEIR, YOUR PLAN OR MANAGEMENT'S PLAN TO, TO LOOK AT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE COST RELATED TO HEALTH INSURANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN FACT, CONVERSATIONS WITH SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND CONSULTANTS THAT, THAT MANAGE, YOU KNOW, LARGE GROUP POLICIES, AND I BELIEVE BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING THEIR OWN INTERNAL CLINICS, WHICH IS PROJECTED TO SAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I'M TALKING OVER $10 MILLION AND, AND THEIR, THEIR HEALTH CARE COST.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE A SIMILAR INITIATIVE, WHETHER IT'S JOINT VENTURE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD OR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT THAT HAS A SYSTEM IN PLACE AND AND TALK TO THEIR BROKERS OR THEIR CONSULTANTS ABOUT REDUCING OUR OUR HEALTH CARE COSTS IN PALM BAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FOR 27 OR FOR 28 AT LEAST.
THE THE SCHOOL BOARD JOINS WITH OUR COUNTY. CORRECT.
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I'M NOT SURE. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SCHOOL BOARD MATT SUZANNE WHO WHO LIVES IN THAT WORLD AND HE'S WILLING TO COME AND DO A PRESENTATION AT COUNCIL.HE'S NOT LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN JUST EDUCATE, JUST EDUCATE.
EXCELLENT. YEAH. WHEN DOES THE THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS REOPEN FOR FOR POLICE AND FIRE? SO WE HAVE FIRE BEGINNING AGAIN THIS YEAR.
AND I BELIEVE ALSO THE POLICE CONTRACT IS TOWARDS THE END.
WE SHOULD BE NEGOTIATING BOTH. I'M GOING TO LOOK TO LAURA TO JUST MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
WE'VE BOTH COME OUT OPEN THIS YEAR WITHIN ONE MIDYEAR, ONE TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
THOSE THOSE WILL BE FOR FISCAL YEAR 28 AND BEYOND.
USUALLY, GENERALLY A THREE YEAR NEGOTIATION HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SET IN STONE AND I'M NOT PREJUDGING.
WE WILL FAIRLY BARGAIN WAGES, HOURS AND WORKING CONDITIONS WITH BOTH UNIONS.
DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS.
I MAY HAVE MORE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY. CARRY ON. SORRY, MAYOR. MR. MORTON, YOUR TIME WAS UP.
IT WAS. IT WAS BASED OFF WHAT HE HAD MENTIONED IN REGARDS TO THE BONDS.
THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BOND WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT IN A MEETING WHEN WE WERE EXPLORING TAKING ON DIFFERENT SERVICES SUCH AS SANITATION, WELL YOU KNOW, WASTE COLLECTION. WHAT WAS THAT TYPE OF BOND? SO THOSE WOULD BE GENERALLY WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERED IN FLORIDA MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT TERM, BUT GENERALLY WHAT I CALL REVENUE BONDS. AND SO YOU'RE PLEDGING REVENUES DEMONSTRATED REVENUE STREAM TOWARDS REPAYMENT OF BONDS. AND SO WHEN WE GO OUT TO TALK ABOUT UTILITIES EXPANSION THIS YEAR, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A REVENUE BOND. YOU'RE NOT PLEDGING GENERAL AD VALOREM TAX DOLLARS. YOU'RE NOT PLEDGING, YOU'RE PLEDGING A DEFINED REVENUE STREAM THAT IS USUALLY VALIDATED INTO A FUTURE FUTURE PAYMENT OR YOU INCORPORATE THAT.
THAT'S WHY STANTEC ADJUSTS OUR UTILITY RATES EVERY YEAR.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENT COST OF OPERATIONS PLUS FUTURE CAPITAL NEEDS.
PLUS WHAT LEVEL OF BONDING WILL THOSE RATES SUSTAIN OR SUPPORT FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF GROWTH? OKAY. WOULD THOSE BE AFFECTED POTENTIALLY TO THE POINT OF WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT? NO, NO. ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THEORY, ANYTHING WE HAVE A DEFINED, SUSTAINED REVENUE STREAM FOR THAT.
YOU CAN PLEDGE AND SHOW THE REASON YOU SHOULD BE YOU SHOULD BE OKAY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M DONE. MAYOR. SORRY. THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
PHIL WEINBERG 466 SCANLON ROAD AT THE. AT THE RISK OF STATING THE OBVIOUS, IF THIS PROPERTY TAX AMENDMENT PASSES, IT'S GOING TO BE AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER. WE ALL KNOW THAT NOT JUST FOR PALM BAY, BUT FOR EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE.
NOW, MR. MORTON, I THINK, HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE CUTS. BUT THE ONE THING THAT HE DIDN'T DO VERY MUCH, HE JUST TOUCHED ON IT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD SHOULD START LOOKING INTO IS HOW DO WE REPLACE SOME OF THAT LOST FUNDING? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE FEES. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING OUR CITIZENS NEED TO KNOW. IS OUR FEES GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE ANYWHERE? WE CAN INCREASE THEM TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT LOST FUNDING? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW AS A CITY TRYING TO OPERATE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT.
AND AS I MENTIONED, I THINK TO ALL OF YOU IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES PUT OUT SOME REALLY, REALLY GOOD EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF, OF THIS PROPERTY TAX AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. STEP FORWARD. NEXT.
JUDY. JUDY CRANDALL, 751 PEBBLE BEACH. DOROTHY.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION AND THEN A COMMENT. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT, FIRST OF ALL, WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE FOR CITIZENS TO GET ONLINE SO THAT I COULD PULL IT? AND AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE MY HEARING AIDS IN, SO I DIDN'T CATCH A LOT, BUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THAT, I SAW THE 250,000 EXEMPTION, BUT I DIDN'T SEE NEXT YEAR'S 150,000 EXEMPTION.
I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT I, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE THAT 150 WAS.
I SAW 250. BUT ANYWAY A GOOD WORK AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE TASK
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FORCE TO DIG IN AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.SO ANYWAY, I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S GOING TO BE ONLINE.
YES, MA'AM. CURRENTLY IS RIGHT NOW IN THE AGENDA.
PARDON ME. IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW ONLINE.
NO THE WHOLE THING THAT WAS PRESENTED IS IT IS IT ON? YES. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. THAT PRESENTATION THAT YOU SEE HERE.
YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? NO ONE ELSE. ALL RIGHT. SO, GENTLEMEN, NOW IT'S.
YOU'VE HAD YOUR QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO TEE IT OFF TO YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.
YOU YOU HAD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YEAH. I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN.
CAN YOU. WHAT IS THE NET DELTA DELTA DIFFERENCE ON THE REDUCTION OF THE ROAD BOND.
YOU SAID IT WENT FROM 0.993. IS IT TO 0.553. .9385.9385 FROM 0.993. YES. YES. 0.06.
THAT WAS IT, SIR. ARE YOU DONE? OKAY. COUNCILMAN.
HAMMEL. MY QUESTION WAS MENTIONED AFTER MY OR AFTER MY TURN.
YOU MENTIONED THE CLOSING OF THE POOL. MY QUESTION IS, WITH THE FUNDING STRATEGY THAT THAT WAS ACQUIRED FROM THE COUNTY, IF WE DID ABANDON THAT POOL, DOESN'T THE COUNTY ISN'T THE COUNTY FORCED TO MAINTAIN THAT POOL AND KEEP IT OPEN BECAUSE THE FUNDING STRATEGY OF HOW THEY GOT IT? BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE GOT THE POOL WHEN WE GOT THE SENIOR CENTER AND WHEN WE GOT FRED POPPY.
SO SO UNTIL RECENTLY, YES, YOU WERE CORRECT. THOSE AGREEMENTS HAVE EXPIRED.
I DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY.
I'VE NOT HAD IT WITH FC IN RESPECTS TO THE POOL.
OUR SENIOR CENTER DOES A GREAT JOB OF DOING THEIR SOLE SOURCE OPERATION.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S IT IS FANTASTIC WHAT THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHING.
BUT NO, THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE OBLIGATED. NEITHER WOULD FC TO EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE TO MAINTAIN OR OPERATE THE POOL AT THIS POINT, IT'S I OFFER TO GIVE HIM BACK THE POOL AND SOME OTHER ROADS, BUT THEY POLITELY DECLINED AND SAID NO, THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING IF THEY WERE SOMEHOW FORCED. THEY WOULD THEY WOULD CLOSE THEM. AT THIS POINT, THERE'S NO MONEY TO OPERATE A POOL. SO NOW THAT BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL USES IT A LOT, WOULD THE SCHOOL BE INTERESTED IN TAKING IT OVER OR MAYBE POSSIBLY FITI NO, FIT HAS A LOT OF USE WITH OUR FACILITIES HERE IN PALM BAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN EVER JUST SAYING, OH, WE'RE STOPPING IS WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE? CAN WE FIND THAT'S LAZY TO CUT, BUT BETTER TO GO TRY TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE.
WE NEED NEW PUMPS, WE NEED NEW LINING, WE NEED NEW EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE BIG FOR SOMEONE TO CHEW OFF.
BUT WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO SEE IF SOMEONE CAN CAN OPERATE OR WANTS TO, TO COOPERATE OR DO SOMETHING, TO EXTEND, EXTEND THE LIFE AND SERVICE LIFE.
OKAY. AND MY LAST THING ARE WE APPROACHING ANY KIND OF ROI ROI POTENTIAL AT OUR PARKS THAT YOU KNOW, BRING IN, IN PRIVATE PEOPLE FOR OUR PARKS LIKE, LIKE AN EQUESTRIAN COMMUNITY COMING AND DOING PART OF OUR PARK TO WHERE WE'RE GENERATING REVENUE AT A PARK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING USED IN AN AREA BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF OUR PARKS HAVE A LOT OF FREE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY OPTIONS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO, TO POSSIBLY BRING THINGS LIKE THAT? LIKE, I MEAN, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE SKATE PARKS AND I KNOW THERE'S SKATE PARKS THAT WANT TO COME IN.
ARE THOSE OPTIONS THAT, THAT WERE, THAT WERE LOOKING AND ESPECIALLY SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK OUR PARKS ARE GOING TO BE UP IN THE AIR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME REVENUE OPTIONS FOR OUR EXTRA SPACE THAT WOULD KEEP OUR PARKS OPEN.
YOU KNOW, LIKE DISNEY, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHO'S GOING TO HELP PAY AND YEAH, SO IT'S HALF JOKE, HALF NOT TRYING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT INTEREST WE HAVE WHAT COMMUNITY VALUE.
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IT'S WHAT TRANSFORMS, IN MY OPINION, PALM BAY FROM A NAME ON A MAP TO A PLACE THAT HAS A COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN IT AND ACTUALLY THRIVE HERE.WHEN I SPOKE ABOUT GROWTH FEES, RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE JOHN HOMEOWNER FOR COMING IN FOR A VARIANCE TO PUT HIS POOL IN HIS YARD.
THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCESSING THESE MASSIVELY COMPLEX PROJECTS THAT CONSUME HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS, LITERALLY OF TIME, AND WE'RE CHARGING $400. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO WE'RE TRULY TRYING TO RIGHTSIZE REVENUE EXPECTATIONS, WHETHER IT'S THE GARBAGE FUND, WHETHER IT'S THOSE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS FOR OPERATIONS, WHETHER IT'S ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF SERVICE DELIVERY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY ENGAGED IN.
AND THAT PRESENTS A LOT OF ITS OWN CHALLENGES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE STARTING TO WORK THROUGH. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, I KNOW WE HAVE A PARTIALLY BUILT RV PARK AT FRED POPPY THAT WHEN I, BACK WHEN I STUDIED THE NUMBERS, IT SHOWED A, YOU KNOW, AN ROI OF 18 MONTHS WITH A REVENUE STREAM AFTER THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AND POSSIBLY A PRIVATE COMPANY COMING IN, NOT JUST FINISHING IT, BUT OPERATING IT TO WHERE WE'RE WE'RE GENERATING INCOME FOR THAT PARK TO STAY ALIVE.
AND I SAID WE MIGHT BE BETTER OFF INSTEAD OF A $6 MILLION BRIDGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND TO BUILD A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR A ROUNDABOUT FOR A 10TH OF THAT COST TO FLOW, THE EXISTING CAPACITY JUST TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE PARK, IF THAT'S THE GOAL, AND USING THAT MONEY TO DEVELOP THE RV PARK OR OTHER REVENUE GENERATING ASSETS, THE BRIDGE ISN'T GOING TO CHARGE EVER GENERATE.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO COST MONEY FOR M AND O. BRIDGES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, AS WE ALL KNOW. SO THOSE ARE THE REAL CONVERSATIONS WE STARTED TOSSING TODAY. LIKE WE KNOW COUNCIL HAS DEFINITELY MOVED AND HAD THESE VISIONS.
AND HAVE YOU BEEN INFORMED? I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE ALL YOUR IDEAS, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO EXECUTE. AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE COURAGE SOMETIMES TO SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, TIME OUT. MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO BUILDING. MAYBE THAT OUR INTEREST IS BETTER FOR A SIGNAL AT POPPY SO WE CAN START DEVELOPING ROI MEASURES THAT KEEP THOSE PARKS HEALTHY AND WHOLE. SO WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND WOULD LOVE ANY IDEAS YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT SUGGESTIONS, DIRECTION ANYONE YOU WANT TO SEND TO US? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT PHASE OF THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS TO, TO LOOK AT HOW WE REPLACE. AND, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES AS WHOLE AS POSSIBLE, TO KEEP THEM WELL TRAINED, TO KEEP US COMPETITIVE.
THERE ISN'T ONE. SO HOW DO WE KEEP THE CITY WHOLE AND OPERATING AGAIN? BACK TO HOW DO WE KEEP THE WONDERFUL SENSE OF PLACE THAT PALM BAY IS? SO WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. YEAH. WHEN I WAS IN PROCUREMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SUZANNE BLAIR WAS, WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WAS, WAS TO RUN THE CITY LIKE A BUSINESS.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING WITH IF UTILITIES IS USING HR, THEY GET BILLED FOR IT.
IF, IF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, RUNNING IT LIKE A BUSINESS.
I MEAN, THE STAFF HAS STEPPED UP. I MEAN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
AND SOME OF THAT IS UNFORTUNATE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ALREADY KNEW THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO BOTH RECOVER FROM THE PAST AND ALSO STRENGTHEN FOR THE FUTURE.
SO THANK THANKS FOR THAT. THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IS SETTING THE CURRENT RATE OR SETTING ONE OF THESE RATES.
WHERE ARE YOU SINCE YOU HAD THE MIC COUNCILMAN HAMMER AND MIGHT I SAY WE CAN'T ONCE WE SET A RATE TODAY THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK AND WE CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT RATE.
YEAH. IF WHERE ARE YOU? IF I HAD MY CHOICE TODAY I WOULD LIKE THE 5.5.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE 5.5 IN LIKE A THREE YEAR PERIOD BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG JUMP.
I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH. SIX I THINK, I THINK FIVE POINT IF I DID MY MATH, 5.9 WOULD BE MINUS THE 8 MILLION IN JUST THE FROZEN JOBS IN THE 18 POSITIONS. SO IS THAT RIGHT? ARE MY NUMBERS CORRECT? CORRECT. ESPECIALLY FOR YEAR ONE. FOR YEAR ONE WE COULD YOU KNOW, THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR WE'RE GOING TO PLUG THAT GAP.
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AND THEN DEPENDING ON FUTURE OUT YEARS AND POTENTIAL FURTHER CUTS, IT MAY MAKE IT ALL MOOT.BUT THAT SECOND YEAR WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS TO COVER SOME OF THE ROLL UPS.
THANK YOU. TO COVER SOME OF THE ROLL UPS. I WAS MY MIND WAS GOING RIGHT BACK TO LAST YEAR OF WHERE WE WERE AND HOW COUNCILMAN HAMMEL WERE GUNG HO ON LOWERING THE MILLAGE RATE AT THAT TIME.
AND COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN WAS BEING VERY STRONG HANDED ON HIS POSITION, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE MONEY TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHAT MR. MORTON'S DOING. BUT I'M, I'M GOOD WITH 5.5.
I'M AT SIX. SEVEN. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ROLLBACK RATE TO BRING IT TO THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING NEXT THURSDAY AND HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME MORE PUBLIC INPUT AND A FULL DAIS. AND IF I HAD MY WISH, I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE THE THE 8 MILLION AND PUT IT IN RESERVES OR PAY DOWN OR PAY DOWN THE BOND DEBT OR A COMBINATION THEREOF. GO AHEAD. THIS QUESTION WHILE WE HAVE THEM FOR 30 OR 31 MORE DAYS, THIS QUESTION MAY BE FOR HIM BECAUSE INITIALLY, A FEW YEARS AGO, I SPOKE ABOUT PAYING DOWN THE BOND DEBT.
WOULD THAT STILL BE THE CASE? IN SOME CASES, YOU CAN'T PAY IT DOWN.
OR THE OH, MR. MORTON COULD. WELL, MAYOR COULD MR. MORTON. OKAY, MR. MORTON, COULD HE COME UP TO ADDRESS.
OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SORRY. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPLIED. I'M SORRY. YES, PLEASE.
IN TRYING TO PAY DOWN SOME OF THE DEBT, THERE IS A BUILT IN TALL.
THE BOND COVENANTS IT STATES IN EVERY ONE OF THEM WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY START PAYING DOWN SOME OF THE DEBT, AND I COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU NEXT WEEK WHEN WE GO SIT DOWN.
BUT I BELIEVE THE NEXT TIME WE ACTUALLY CAN PAY SOMETHING DOWN IS IN.
AND PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME IS IN 2030. OKAY, BEFORE THAT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PAY DOWN EARLY.
OKAY. IF THAT INFORMATION COULD BE PROVIDED. YES.
YES. YES, SIR. YEAH. AND AND MAYBE A LIST OF WHAT CAN BE PAID DOWN EARLY.
WE'VE GOT FIRE ENGINES AND LIFE PACKS AND THINGS THAT COULD BE SATISFIED EARLY.
YEAH. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I WANT TO GO BACK THE 5.5 WOULD BE ZERO.
BUDGET IS THE FISCAL 2029. THAT'S THE SCENARIO WHERE IT'S WORSE THAN THAT.
THAT'S THAT'S THE LOWEST CUT. IF WE GO TO THE FULL 250 NUMBER THAT THE STATE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, IT'S WORSE THAN THE FIVE FIVE. IT'S LESS THAN THE FIVE, CORRECT. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE FIVE.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CUT FROM? IS THAT CLOSING THE POOL? WELL, I SAID 6.0, WHICH IS -8 MILLION, WHICH IS BASICALLY WE DO THE 6.8 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY FROZEN.
AND THEN THE 2 MILLION FROM THE 18 JOBS THAT AREN'T FILLED RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. YOU WOULD NOW SAY THAT AGAIN, THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL ELIMINATIONS.
WE'RE NOT TO THE TARGET OF POSITIONS. WE'RE NOT TO THE TARGET NUMBER.
AND WE'RE DEFINITELY 6.0. YEP. AND WE'RE DEFINITELY CONSIDER REDUCING SOME SERVICES.
JUST FULL CANDOR AT SIX SEVEN WE WE DON'T BUY ANY EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT. CORRECT. WE'RE STILL IN A GAP.
WE CAN'T GET POLICE CARS. WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING ELSE.
ANY EQUIPMENT AT ALL. I'M AT SIX SEVEN. IF YOU'RE ROLLBACK SIX SIX I'M AT ROLLBACK.
OKAY SO SO HERE'S MY I THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC.
FIVE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT VISUALLY SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS SEE THAT.
BECAUSE. RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE DEVASTATING FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S EASY TO DISCUSS AT THIS LEVEL, BUT FROM MY TAKE, ONCE YOU ELIMINATE THESE PROGRAMS AND WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICES, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE CHAMBERS FILLED.
AND AT THAT POINT, IT'S TOO LATE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
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THEN LET'S TAKE THAT APPROACH. I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.BUT RIGHT NOW I WOULD SET IT AT SIX SEVEN. WE STILL ARE IN THE MIDST OF HURRICANES AND WE DON'T.
AND EVEN WITH THAT, WE'RE AT A AT A SHORTFALL.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO GO SIX SEVEN.
SO WE ARE ALLOWED TO BE AT THE CURRENT RATE OF 6.700 FOR THE PROPOSED.
THE NEW RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE REALLY RELATED TO ROLLBACK AND THE NUMBER OF VOTES.
YOU WOULD NEED FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE OF YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT FOR ROLLBACK.
IT WOULD BE THREE OUT OF FIVE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS JUST THE PROPOSED RATE SO THAT WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND SEND OUT THE NOTICES. YOU CAN PROPOSE SIX SEVEN, BUT ALSO GIVE US DIRECTION TO BUILD THE ACTUAL PROPOSED BUDGET ON A LOWER ONE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE A ROLLBACK BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU AT OUR AUGUST 4TH WORKSHOP WITH THAT ROLLBACK RATE, BUT STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPOSED AT 6.7. BECAUSE IF WE BRING YOU A PROPOSED BUDGET AND THERE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE MISSING THAT YOU WANTED INCLUDED, WE CAN'T GO BACK UP. RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE CAVEAT.
BUT YOU COULD BRING BACK COUNCILMAN HAMMER. WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE FIT THAT YOU, YOU'RE WILLING TO CUT, BUT EVEN AT SIX, SEVEN, WE CAN'T EVEN MAKE ANY EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.
WE. YEAH. AND SO. WELL THAT WE'VE GOT A NEST EGG SOMEWHERE THAT COULD MAKE THAT UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. MARTIN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
BUT AND AGAIN, I, I'D LIKE FOR OUR CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE TO GET DEEP INTO THESE NUMBERS AS WELL WITH OUR STAFF AND AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE. BUT LIKE JESSICA SAID, IF WE SET IT AT SIX, SEVEN, WE COULD ALWAYS GO BACK, BUT WE CANNOT IF WE SET IT BELOW THAT, WE COULD NEVER GO BACK TO THE SIX SEVEN.
YEAH, I DO, I DO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ON THE BACKSIDE LAST YEAR WE WERE AT A STALEMATE AND ME AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WERE ADAMANT ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN A LITTLE LOWER. AND WE DID GO UP BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT THIS YEAR.
AND HERE WE ARE SAYING WE'RE NOT. AND SO, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M NOT EVEN I WOULD SETTLE FOR ROLLBACK, BUT I WE GOT TO GO DOWN IN MY BOOK. OKAY, SO I'M STILL AT FIVE FIVE, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF PUTTING THIS OUT, WE CAN PUT IT OUT AT ROLLBACK.
I DO THINK AN ADDED BENEFIT TO IT IS BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING ABOVE THE MILLAGE RATE OR IF WE'RE GOING ABOVE, THEN IT HAS TO GO OUT AS A DISCLOSURE TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE DOING A TAX INCREASE.
OF, HEY, PALM BAY IS BEING PROACTIVE. WE'RE DODGING OURSELVES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT WE'RE HAVING THOSE HARD CONVERSATIONS BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY IN THE PUBLIC.
YEAH. SORRY. I'LL MAKE SURE I SAY IT CORRECTLY.
6.6015 JUST FOR US TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL HERE.
IS THAT ENOUGH? SO WE HAVE THE PROPOSED AT 6.6015.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD THE CAVEAT. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PRESENT A 5.5 BUDGET? I WOULD, YEAH, I'D LIKE IF IF THAT 5.5 BUDGET IS GOING TO BE A REALITY BECAUSE I.
THAT THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. I'M STILL AT 6.7.
AND THE REASON I'M AT SIX SEVEN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT FORESIGHT WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A DEVASTATING STORM DURING THIS HURRICANE SEASON.
AND IF WE SET THAT MILLAGE RATE BELOW THAT. SO RIGHT NOW I'M STILL AT SIX SEVEN, I UNDERSTAND.
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I'VE GOT INDIVIDUALS. WOULD I VOTE FOR THE SIX SIX? ABSOLUTELY. BUT I STILL LIKE THE SCENARIO OF, OF HAVING A CUSHION BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE AT A POINT WITH SIX SEVEN, WE'RE STILL WITH A HUGE GAP AND NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO COVER A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT MAY COME, ARISE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, MAN. AND I'M, I'M SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.SO FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'LL SEE THE LEGISLATIVE MEMO PROPOSING IT AT 6.6015.
FROM THERE WE WILL BE DOING THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
WILL YOU WILL SEE THE FORMAL BUDGET PREPARATION, AND IT WILL BE BUILT OFF THE 5.5.
THAT'LL GIVE YOU A BUFFER THAT. IF YOU SEE TOO MANY CUTS, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO ADD BACK IN? YOU NOW HAVE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN YOUR PROPOSED AND THE ACTUAL 5.5 CUT SO YOU CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AT THAT POINT.
SIX. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO. NO. CORRECT. WELL, GENTLEMEN, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YOU WANT TO? YOU WANT TO GO? NO. PAST SIX. SIX.
CORRECT. OKAY, LET'S DO IT. THERE YOU GO. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE CONCLUDE, I JUST WANT TO SAY.
YOU JUST HANG IN THERE. YOU GUYS ARE SO VALUED.
AND I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.