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601. CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. WE'LL CALL.
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TO THE THE PLEDGE. OH THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.OKAY. TOM. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I FORGOT. ALL RIGHT. VICE CHAIR. FELIX.
HERE. MR. BECERRA HERE. MR. PRESIDENT. MR. RANDALL HERE.
MR. STEIN. HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL JUST FOR THE BOARDS INFORMATION.
OKAY. THANK YOU. CONSECUTIVELY. THANKS. HE WAS FOR CLARIFICATION. I THINK HE WAS COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN'S APPOINTEE.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
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WE TAKE ONE, TAKE A MINUTE TO GO OVER THEM IF WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH IT.I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. NOW.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. MOVE FORWARD TO A NEW BUSINESS.
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NO BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER ONE, ANNUAL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL.OKAY. OF COURSE, THIS YEAR YOU GOT A VERY LATE START.
SO I HAVE DRAFTED ONE. I RAN IT PAST THE CHAIR THERE.
OKAY. IT'S IT'S DIVIDED INTO SEVERAL SECTIONS.
THE BASICALLY IT'S INTRODUCTION IN THE AUTHORITY, THE ESTABLISHMENT MEMBERSHIP AND ORGANIZATION INDICATING THAT MR. STORY IS THE CHAIR MR. FELIX IS THE VICE CHAIR.
SUMMARY OF THE THREE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DATE, OBSERVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BASED UPON THE THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS, YOUR PRIORITIES FOR THE COMING YEAR.
AND BASICALLY A CONCLUDING STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE HAPPY TO SERVE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION FROM THE BOARD? MR. LEE. GO AHEAD. WHAT DO YOU NEED? A MOTION WOULD BE PREFERABLE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE PRESENTATION TO THE.
TO THE COUNCIL. OF OUR PLAN. OOPS. THE ANNUAL REPORT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. DID DID I HEAR A SECOND, A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT.
NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER TWO. DISCUSSION OF FUND BALANCE POLICY.
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THIS ITEM CAME UP AT YOUR LAST MEETING. I BELIEVE MR. RANDALL RAISED THE ISSUE ABOUT RESERVES FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR ROAD REPAIRS ON THERE.YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE THE A MEMO FROM ME EXPLAINING WHAT A FUND BALANCE POLICY IS AND HOW THIS CITY HAS SET THEIRS UP AND A COPY OF THE FUND BALANCE POLICY.
HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THE MEMO OF IF YOU'D LIKE.
YEAH. I THINK FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO GO IN DEPTH INTO IT? OR WOULD WE WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE? SUCH A HARD TIME HEARING.
NO, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTION, ANY DISCUSSION, OR DID WE HAVE TO DID WE GET A CHANCE TO TO READ IT COMPLETELY, OR WOULD WE WANT TO MR. LEE, TO GO A LITTLE MORE INTO IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD.
OKAY. THERE YOU GO. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT MAINLY BECAUSE I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD, NOT SO MUCH THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, BUT DOWN THE ROAD AND. I JUST FEEL THAT IF WE COULD ESTABLISH A LONG TERM LIFE CYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE. A RESERVE FUND THAT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN EVERY YEAR AND WE CAN ADJUST IT ACCORDING TO A RESERVE ANALYSIS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND WE'RE IN THE SAME POSITION THAT WE WERE BACK IN 20 1819 WHEN WE HAD TO GO BORROW THE MONEY OR, YOU KNOW, A BOND.
SO I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS A SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY 15 YEARS FROM NOW. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE $600 MILLION BY THEN TO, TO FUND THESE ROADS. SO. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.
HOW CAN WE GO ABOUT SETTING UP A LIFE CYCLE ON THOSE ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE? I'M TALKING, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER, AND WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
MR. FELDMAN? SO I THINK MR. CRANDALL MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT.
RIGHT. SO YOU NEED YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WATER AND SEWER IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
AND HISTORICALLY WATER AND SEWER AS, AS IT RUNS AN ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT SETS ASIDE MONEY EACH YEAR INTO A RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT FUND AND THAT'S SORT OF THE FUND BALANCE OR PART OF THE FUND BALANCE OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND FOR WATER AND SEWER. SO THAT IF IF A WATER LINE, WATER MAIN NEEDS TO BE REPLACED YOU KNOW, THIS LIFE CYCLE IS 30 YEARS. YOU'RE, YOU HAVE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE TO DO THAT.
AND WHEN THE LADDER TRUCK IS AT ITS END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, YOU HAVE A RESERVE SET ASIDE FOR THAT.
IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED WITH OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE ROADS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO ONGOING MAINTENANCE ON YOUR ROAD SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH. AND THERE'S A LIFE CYCLE OF ROADS THAT BASICALLY IT'S IT'S A CURVE AND I CAN FIND IT FOR YOU ONE DAY AND BRING IT HERE. BUT IT BASICALLY SAYS IF YOU IF YOU DO A LITTLE MAINTENANCE ON ROADS GOING ALONG, YOU COULD EXTEND THE LIFE OF A ROAD FOR TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS BEYOND WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR.
BUT IF YOU FAIL TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD, THEN AT SOME POINT YOU CAN'T REPAIR IT.
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YOU HAVE TO RIP IT UP AND REPLACE IT. RIGHT. GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE ROADS IN THE COMPOUND, RIGHT? THEY WERE LAID. THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, VERY THIN LAYERS OF ASPHALT.THEY WERE NEVER MAINTAINED. WHEN I WAS HERE WE USED TO CALL IT ASPHALT.
RIGHT. THE GRASS WAS GROWING UP. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE FAILED ROADS THERE.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH ROADS AND WHERE? THE BIGGER QUESTION, THOUGH, IS WHERE DO YOU IDENTIFY THE FUNDS TO DO THAT? BECAUSE THESE ARE THE SAME DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND PARKS AND ALL YOUR OTHER MUNICIPAL ACTIVITIES. SO SO THAT REALLY BECOMES THE QUESTION.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT HAS DOLLARS ARE SET ASIDE FOR, I'LL CALL IT UNANTICIPATED EXPENDITURES. A ROAD THAT IS FAILING YOU.
OKAY. YOU CAN USE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DIP INTO YOUR FUND BALANCE AND FIX THE ROAD.
YOU COULD YOU KNOW, TAKE MONEY FROM OTHER OTHER PROJECTS AND TRY TO FIX ROADS, BUT THAT REALLY BECOMES THE POLICY DECISION. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE GOALS OR ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CATF THIS TASK FORCE IS IF YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE DOLLARS THAT CAN BE SET ASIDE FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND RESERVES.
THEN MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION AND TRY TO IDENTIFY THE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR THAT.
WHEN I WAS HERE, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP DOING THE WHEN I WAS HERE, BUT I WILL DO THAT WHEN I WAS HERE.
ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I DID IS I SET UP A SPECIAL DISTRICT JUST FOR ROADS.
OKAY. IT WAS A TAXING DISTRICT. IT. YOU KNOW, WE SET ASIDE ONE MILL A YEAR FOR JUST ROADS.
A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL TOOK THAT AWAY AND MOVED IT ALL BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. I ONLY RAISED THAT NOT SAYING IT WAS THE RIGHT THING OR WRONG THING TO DO, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A POLICY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU COULD MAKE TO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE MAY NOT BE MUCH PROPERTY TAX LEFT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS ANYWAY.
SO THAT JUST COMPLICATES THE MATTER EVEN MORE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE LESS REVENUE TO BEGIN WITH AND ALL THESE COMPETING RESOURCES, ROADS AND ROAD MAINTENANCE IS JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER ANOTHER THING THAT COMPETES FOR THOSE SCARCE DOLLARS.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A RAMBLE. I HOPE IT IS SORT OF LIKE TRIED TO FRAME THE QUESTION FOR FOR DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO JUST TAKE MONEY AND SET IT ASIDE FOR ROADS EACH YEAR WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE COMPETING FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER THE ONE MILL, THE TAXING DISTRICT THAT WAS SET UP WAS ALLOWED TO LEVY UP TO ONE MILL, BUT THAT WAS NEVER ACTUALLY DONE, NEVER ACTUALLY USED. I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE ONE YEAR, WAS IT? AND THEN THEN DISSOLVED. AND NOW WE USE FUNDS FROM EXCESS PROPERTY TO FUND ROAD MAINTENANCE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE.
MR. FELDMAN, IF I MAY ASK EITHER MR. MORTON OR OR.
MA'AM. I DRAW A BLANK, BUT MR. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER CAN MAYBE GIVE US A LITTLE MORE.
CURRENTLY, I KNOW YOU YOU DID THE BEST YOU CAN AS TO GIVE US ALL A GREAT OVERVIEW OF POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT'S THERE, WHAT'S NOT. JASON, IF YOU MAY PROBABLY GIVE US WHAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE IN PLACE.
I KNOW TOM, AS YOU MENTIONED EXCESS PROPERTY IS ONE.
THANK YOU, MR. DE LORENZO. YEAH, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS CURRENTLY WE HAVE IN PLACE BESIDES JUST EXCESS PROPERTY? YEAH. SO THE 20 THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET HAS AT THE 6.7 MILLAGE AT LEAST. AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE END UP. AND WE MAY HAVE TO ADJUST IT, BUT IT HAS 3.25 MILLION FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE IN IT.
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JUST A COUPLE BACKGROUND ITEMS, RIGHT. YOU CAN'T USE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FOR MAINTENANCE.THAT'S ONLY FOR ADDED CAPACITY. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WE, WE ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WITH TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT FUND REGULATED BY THE STATE SEGREGATED AND CAN ONLY GO TOWARDS ADDING CAPACITY. ADDING CAPACITY HAS A PRETTY WIDE DEFINITION, INCLUDING YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS, TURNING LANES, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AND OF COURSE, OF COURSE, WIDENING OF THE ROADWAY ITSELF.
ONE OTHER THING, MR. FELDMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ADDING TO THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE YOU ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BORROWING VERSUS SAVING, RIGHT? THAT WAS KIND OF THE ROOT OF YOUR QUESTION WAS BORROWING VERSUS SAVING, RIGHT? SAVING NOW FOR THE FUTURE OR BORROWING IN THE FUTURE.
RIGHT. RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I'D MENTION WITH REGARDS TO THAT FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BORROW MONEY, RIGHT, OVER TIME, THE FUTURE BENEFITS THE FUTURE USERS.
THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T MOVED HERE YET ARE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS THAT IMPROVEMENT.
RIGHT? OF COURSE, THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE TOO, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CURRENT CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVE THE DEBT SERVICE, BUT EVERY NEW RESIDENT ALSO HAS A PIECE OF THAT DEBT SERVICE. AND THAT MIGHT BE 20 YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG THAT IS.
SO THAT FUTURE USER IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE BENEFIT THAT WAS CREATED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR THEIR SHARE OF THAT ROAD WHERE IF YOU'RE SAVING, YOU'RE SAVING IT ON Y'ALLS BACKS, RIGHT ON THE CURRENT RESIDENTS BACKS AND BENEFITING THE FUTURE USERS THAT IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING.
SO BUT THERE'S A BALANCE THERE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ONE WAY IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER WAY.
THAT MEANS IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. IS THAT HELPFUL? YEAH. THINK SO. I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY. YES.
I KNOW FOR YEARS THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX WAS A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR A BOND.
I BELIEVE THAT BOND'S BEEN RETIRED. SO WHERE ARE THOSE FUNDS BEING DIRECTED TO NOW? I THINK FROM THE, OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS THERE'S THE 1.2 MILLION IS THERE STILL UNDER THE NUMBER 1.25 OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S A, THERE ARE RESTRICTED USES FOR THOSE FUNDS AS WELL, SIMILAR TO AN IMPACT FEE FUND. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING IS MOVING SOME OF OUR SIGNALIZATION AND TRAFFIC OPERATIONS FOLKS TO BE FUNDED FROM THOSE INSTEAD OF FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE THAT THAT'S A DIRECT CORRELATION, RIGHT? RIGHT. THOSE FUNDS ARE FOR MAINTAINING THE ROADS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT GROUP DOES IS MAINTAINS THE SIGNALS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
RIGHT. AND IT WAS ONE AND A QUARTER. PRETTY SURE IT'S ONE AND A QUARTER.
OKAY. I JUST, I WOULD JUST KNEW THAT FOR YEARS.
THERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING THERE, TOO. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. IF MR. FELDMAN MAY BE ABLE TO, I DON'T KNOW, ADD IT IS.
AND LET ME JUST ALSO EXTEND THAT CONVERSATION.
LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX MONEY IS AUTHORIZED BY BREVARD COUNTY COMMISSION.
THERE ARE TWO. THERE'S A FIVE CENT AND A SIX CENT TAX.
IT IS AT THEIR DISCRETION. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOOKED AT BONDING IS IF YOU BOND LOGT MONEY, YOU BASICALLY PREVENT THEM FROM JUST TAKING IT AWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'VE ENCUMBERED IT, RIGHT. THEY CAN'T IMPAIR IT. SO OTHER, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT BONDING BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS THREATENING TO TAKE IT AWAY, BUT USING IT ALSO FOR DEDICATED OPERATIONS LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION IS ALSO A VERY COMMON PRACTICE.
SO IT'S NOT OFTEN BONDED, BUT WHEN IT'S THREATENED TO, TO GO AWAY THAT'S ONE OF THE TECHNIQUES OF PRESERVING IT. THANK YOU. AND IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT AND THEN I'LL WAIT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT BREVARD COUNTY DOESN'T, DOESN'T AUTHORIZE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED GAS TAX BY THE STATE.
WE DO NOT AUTHORIZE THE. CURRENTLY THE LARGEST NUMBER EACH COUNTY.
IT'S UP TO THEM. RIGHT. THEY, THEY MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION ON HOW MUCH TO AUTHORIZE FOR GAS TAX.
AND THEN WITH VEHICLES AND DOING BETTER AND BETTER ON GAS MILEAGE AND HYBRID VEHICLES AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES, GAS TAXES ARE DECLINING, RIGHT? SO GAS TAX DOES NOT FLUCTUATE WITH THE PRICE OF GAS.
IT'S ASCENT, RIGHT. IT'S STATIC. SO AS CARS USE LESS GAS LESS TIMES TO THE PUMP, LESS TIMES
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THAT $0.06 OR WHATEVER IT IS PER GALLON GOES IN YOUR TANK LESS COLLECTIONS.SO THAT'S A DECLINING AND THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT THE STATE IS STUDYING TOO, BECAUSE THE STATE USES GAS TAXES FOR, YOU KNOW, TO FUND ALONG WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS TO FUND DOT.
AND JUST TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE COMPLEX, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY FILLS UP IN PALM BAY DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET THE $0.06 OR $0.05 OR $0.11, WHATEVER THE NUMBER ULTIMATELY IS THAT THE COUNTY LEVIES IT.
THERE'S A COMPLEX FORMULA FOR DISTRIBUTION THAT SO THERE'S A DEFAULT WAY OF DISTRIBUTING IT UNDER THE STATUTE, OR YOU ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITIES THAT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTY.
AND IT GETS DISTRIBUTED BASED UPON LANE MILES AND POPULATION AND SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK TO YOU, BUT IT'S BASICALLY LOCKED IN AND JUST LIKE SALES TAX JUST BECAUSE THE SALE IS MADE HERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET IT. I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ELECTRIC AND HYBRID VEHICLES, THEY WEIGH SO MUCH THAT THEY THEY WEAR ON THE ROADS TWICE AS FAST AS A REGULAR GAS POWERED VEHICLE.
SO WE PAY MORE FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE FOR VEHICLES THAT DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO PAYING FOR THE ROADS.
WELL, EXCEPT THEY MAY CONTRIBUTE IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND, AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ARGUMENT WITH THE EV COMMUNITY AND THE ICE COMMUNITY AND NOT ICE, BUT IN COMBUSTIBLE ENGINES, RIGHT. ON THEIR ELECTRIC VEHICLES USE ELECTRICITY.
OKAY. THERE'S A FRANCHISE FEE AND A UTILITY TAX THAT YOU GET BASED UPON ELECTRICITY USAGE.
AND SO THE MORE ELECTRICITY THAT IS USED, THE MORE REVENUE YOU ARE GETTING.
I HAVE A QUESTION. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOING BACK TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE ON THE ASPHALT ROADS.
ARE THOSE MAINTAINED BY SEALCOATING PERIODICALLY OR JUST.
ASPHALT THE POTHOLES OR HOW ARE THEY MAINTAINED ON A REGULAR BASIS? SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF REPAIR AND THE TYPE OF ROAD THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SOME ARE SEAL COATED, SOME NEED MORE EXTENSIVE WORK, SOME NEED A LITTLE LESS OF WORK BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY EXTRACT AND FIX POTHOLES BY, BY BASICALLY SQUARING THEM OFF.
AND DOES THE CITY DO THE SEAL COATING OR DO THEY HIRE A SEAL COATING VENDOR? I WILL DEFER TO VENDOR. IT'S CONTRACTED OUT CONTRACTED IS AND THERE'S A REASON I'M GOING HERE IS THE SEAL COAT ITSELF.
WHEN IT'S BEING APPLIED, THE VENDOR COMES ON AND THEY'RE APPLYING THE SEAL COAT.
IS THAT TESTED AT ALL FOR. AMOUNT OF SEAL COAT IS ACTUALLY IN THERE.
AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS I KNOW THAT SEVERAL SEAL CODERS.
NOW THIS IS WE'RE GOING BACK 20 YEARS, BUT SEAL CODERS WILL BUY THEIR SEAL COAT FROM LIKE SEAL MASTER OR A LOCAL SEAL COATING COMPANY. AND THEN THEY THIN IT OUT BY 50%, ADDING WATER TO IT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, YES, IT'S STILL, IT'S BEAUTIFUL BLACK, BUT IT'S 50% DILUTED.
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SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WHEN WE HIRE A CONTRACTOR, THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THAT IT IT IS NOT DILUTED.THAT WAS A QUESTION. I CAN OFFER AN ANSWER ON THAT.
GREAT. WE ACTUALLY FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE, THE FIRST STAGE ARE THE FIRST THINGS YOU DO.
3 TO 5 YEARS AFTER YOU PUT DOWN A NEW ROAD AS YOU DO REJUVENATION.
AND THAT'S NOT BLACK. IT'S PINK AND HAS THEY MIX IT WITH SAND AND PUT IT ON THE ROADS.
WE, WE TRIED MICRO SURFACING WITHOUT GREAT RESULTS.
AND THAT BASICALLY THAT PUTS A KIND OF RUBBERY LAYER ON TOP OF THE ASPHALT.
BUT AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE REJUVENATION IS THE MAIN THING.
AND THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS. IT'S RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE, BUT THE ROADS TURN PINK, NOT BLACK. AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, PALM BAY HAS AN INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE.
CORRECT. RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. GOLOMB IS CHAIRING IT.
IF I MAY ADD AS WELL, I BELIEVE THE THE PUBLIC WORKS WILL KIND OF OVERSEE THAT, THAT PORTION.
AND THERE'S, WE HAVE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ACTUALLY DO GO AFTER, WE DON'T JUST HAND IT OVER TO A, TO A VENDOR, BUT WE HAVE ALL PEOPLE THAT GOES BACK AND CHECK AND DO THE QA PART OF THE JOB TO MAKE SURE WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE. THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE WERE PROMISED.
YEAH. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY SPEND ON ROAD MAINTENANCE IN A YEAR? HOW MANY MILLIONS? GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ABOUT ROAD MAINTENANCE, WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN ASK FOR THE APPROPRIATE STAFF TO COME.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO GUESS AT AT ANSWERS.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, IF THAT'S A WISH OF THE BOARD.
EVERYBODY INTERESTED IN OR NO, I'LL BE OKAY WITH THAT.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. I ASSUME IT'S SIZABLE.
AND SO IF YOU GET SOMETHING SIZABLE, YOU WANT TO STUDY IT.
OKAY. NEW INFORMATION. SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I, MAY I ADD SOMETHING THAT REALLY CONCERNED MY LIFE, WHICH IS THE WIDENING OF MALABAR BOULEVARD TO TO A FOUR LANE ROAD THAT'S BEEN IN THE PLANNING FOR A WHILE.
AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED WITH BREVARD COUNTY AND IT BEING A STATE ROAD STATE FUNDING, BUT I MOVED HERE TWO YEARS AGO, AND IF I'D KNOWN HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC WAS, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.
I'M A I TILL MY LAKES AND THEY'RE BUILDING MORE AND MORE HOUSES EVERYWHERE OVER THERE.
AND I JUST WONDER WHERE IT'S AT. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? THE PLANNING HAS BEEN DONE. I KNOW THAT I WAS TOLD THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE IT, AND BUT IT'S JUST LIKE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO START BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED TODAY, AND IT PROBABLY WILL TAKE 2 TO 3 YEARS TO DO.
ANY ANY IDEAS? SO, SO LET US GET BACK TO YOU ALL.
I WILL TRY TO GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU AND CIRCULATED AMONG THE BOARD BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. DO YOU BY ANY CHANCE, MR. DELORENZO, HAVE ANY ANSWER TO TO THAT SPECIFIC.
NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. WELL, I GUESS WE'LL FOLLOW UP.
ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, GUYS? ANY DISCUSSION? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED A MOTION. MR. FELDMAN, THE ITEM NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER TWO AS WELL.
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UNLESS THE THE BOARD HAS THE TASK FORCE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON FUND BALANCE, WE CAN.NO. OKAY. YOUR NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION ON THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT.
WE WERE HOPING THAT THE REPORT WOULD BE COMPLETED IN A CHANCE FOR YOU TO REVIEW IT AT THIS MEETING.
IT SHOULD BE FINISHED SOMETIME IN THE MONTH OF JULY.
SO WHAT I INCLUDED WAS A MEMO THAT SORT OF EXPLAINS WHAT THE FINANCIAL REPORT IS, ITS DIFFERENT COMPONENTS ON THERE, A CHANCE FOR YOU TO LOOK THAT OVER. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE JUST MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THE REPORT IS THERE.
AND WE COULD ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH ACTUAL NUMBERS IN THE REPORT.
OKAY, DAD, WE NEED A MOTION TO. OR. NO, JUST A CONSENSUS.
CAN WE GET THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING? THAT'S THE INTENT.
YOUR NEXT ITEM IS TO SET THE MEETING DATE. AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
I HAVE A PERSONAL CONFLICT FOR THE AUGUST 13TH MEETING.
OKAY. THE THE TASK FORCE SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK AT THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST.
I CHECKED WITH THE CITY CLERK. MONDAY, AUGUST 3RD IS AVAILABLE AT 6 P.M.
I BELIEVE THAT. I KNOW MOST OF YOU INDICATED YOUR AVAILABILITY.
I THINK MR. BUTERA HAD A CONFLICT, BUT SAID IT WAS OKAY TO MOVE US ON THERE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE THE AUGUST MEETING TO THE THIRD.
THE MONDAY. IT'S A MONDAY NIGHT. SO SECOND. I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I'LL CALL. CALL THE CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL GET STARTED. ONE ITEM I DID WANT TO BRING UP ALSO.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN AN EMAIL FLOATING. I KNOW THEM AS TRENDALL.
HAS A CONCERN THAT SHE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH REGARD TO PERSONNEL COSTS ON THEIR WE HAVE SOME TIME THIS EVENING. I THOUGHT MAYBE SHE COULD JUST VOICE WHAT SHE WANTED TO TO CHAT ABOUT.
AND THE BOARD CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE THAT FOR A FUTURE MEETING AS WELL.
THANK YOU. AFTER GOING TO THE BUDGET MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, AND THIS HAS BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE FOR MONTHS, BUT. PERSONNEL COSTS ARE JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE.
IT CANNOT GO ON AND ON EVERY YEAR WITH THAT KIND OF INCREASE.
SHOULD THE PROPERTY TAXES TAX BILL GET PASSED.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT LESS MONEY. BUT I'M A BELIEVER IN IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU USE SOMETHING YOU USER PAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE? HOW DO WE COME ABOUT COVERING THOSE EXPENSES? HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ON HOW TO REEL IN PERSONNEL COSTS? I KNOW I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND WHAT HEALTH BENEFITS, EMPLOYER AND EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUT. I'M JUST FLABBERGASTED AT THE BENEFITS PACKAGE.
SO IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN THAT, I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN IT.
YES, DEFINITELY. MR. CHAIR. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING PERSONALLY I'M NOT READY TO BRING IT FORWARD YET. SO I KNOW I'D BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. FELDMAN ABOUT IT AND IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS ON THAT VERY TOPIC ON SOME OF THAT, SOME.
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OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. MR. FELDMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK MR. RANDALL IS AT A A VALID CONCERN SINCE MOST OF THE GENERAL FUND IS SALARY AND BENEFITS.THE QUESTION IS YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU BALANCE HAVING A TALENTED WORKFORCE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPETING FOR PEOPLE FOR JOBS. AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERY AGENCY IS TRYING TO HIRE THE SAME PERSON OVER AND OVER, BUT EVEN YOU'RE COMPETING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR MAINTENANCE WORKERS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS BECAUSE ENGINEERS.
RIGHT. AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THESE HOMES OUT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LAYING DOWN THE THE, THE DIRT FOR THE PADS. AND SO YOU'RE COMPETING THERE.
SO HAVING A HEALTHY AND I'LL PUT THAT IN QUOTES.
SALARY AND BENEFIT PACKAGE IS KEY TO ATTRACTING TALENT.
WHAT HEALTHY IS IS ULTIMATELY UP TO UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
BUT THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS BESIDES THE MARKET.
THERE'S COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. SO WAGE AND BENEFITS ARE ARE NEGOTIATED POINT.
MOST OF THE CITY IS UNIONIZED THROUGH AND COVERED BY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS.
I THINK THERE WERE LIKE SEVEN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WHEN I WAS HERE.
THERE MAY BE THAT NUMBER NOW, BUT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT EVEN WITHIN A DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU. MY MY AIDE HERE ON THERE. SO THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S SEVEN BARGAINING UNITS AND THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES ON THERE. AND SO THEIR CONTRACTS ARE ALL COMING UP AT DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME AS WELL.
AND SO YOU HOPE TO GET TO YOU KNOW, GET TO AN AMICABLE POINT WHERE THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF AND THE CITY IS TAKEN CARE OF IN TERMS OF SALARY AND BENEFITS ON THERE. THERE'S A PROCESS THAT IF YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT YOU GO TO IMPASSE AND THEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE CITY COUNCIL ACTS AS THE JUDGE. IT MAKES A DETERMINATION.
I WENT THROUGH THAT ONCE. IT'S NOT PLEASANT UP THERE.
SO GETTING TO TO YES IS ALWAYS PREFERABLE. BUT THESE CONTRACTS LOCK IN YOUR SALARY AND BENEFITS USUALLY FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD. AND YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, HONOR THOSE CONTRACTS ON THERE.
SO THAT'S A LONG WINDED WAY OF SAYING THAT HEALTHY IS IS DETERMINED BY BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HEALTHY. YES. BUT THE CITIZENS NEED TO STAY HEALTHY TOO.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYONE COULD GET A RAISE EVERY YEAR.
A NICE, SIZABLE RAISE. AND WITH THAT RAISE ALSO COMES A PERCENTAGE OF BENEFITS.
SO YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING YOUR ANNUAL RAISE.
THAT ALSO RAISES HOW MUCH GOES TO RETIREMENT.
401 K THAT TYPE OF THING. AND. I BELIEVE THE CITY CAN DO BETTER. I THINK THEY CAN NEGOTIATE THOSE CONTRACTS BETTER TO GIVE THE CITIZENS A BREAK.
THANK YOU. ANY ANY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION? ANYTHING.
SAY OKAY. FOR EXAMPLE, COULD COULD THE CITY CONSIDER TO MAYBE A PRIVATIZATION AS AN OPTION WHERE CERTAIN DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, UTILITY OR, YOU KNOW, JUST GO TO A PRIVATE SECTOR. I'M JUST SAYING. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF ANY RECOMMENDATION OR ANY, ANY YES, I YOU MAY WANT TO SHARE, I HAVE YEAH. GO AHEAD. AND I'M TALKING FROM 30 SOME YEARS AS A CONTROLLER
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HAVING TO DO ALL THIS STUFF. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.THE CITY PAYS FLAT OUT 3% TO RETIREMENT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
AND THAT'S WITHOUT ANY EMPLOYER EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION.
THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THEY GET UP TO 6 OR 6.5% CONTRIBUTE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION IF THEY CHOOSE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR 401 K.
SO NOW WE'RE AT NINE, 9.5% OF RETIREMENT OF THAT $150,000 JOB.
THEY'RE GETTING ALMOST 10% RETIREMENT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
GOING BACK TO MY ROOTS. IT IS VERY RARE THAT A CORPORATION PAYS MORE THAN FOUR AND A HALF TO 5%, CONTRIBUTE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION TO A 401 K.
THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. SO WE'RE COMPARING 5% TO 9.5%.
THAT BLOWS MY MIND. AND THEN ON THE OTHER THING.
EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE. EMPLOYEES GET I BELIEVE IT'S 100% HEALTH INSURANCE COST PAID FOR. AND THEN IT GOES, IT GRADUALLY GOES A LITTLE BIT WHERE THEY HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE. AND WHEN I LOOKED THE LAST TIME I LOOKED, I CALCULATED THAT FOR A FAMILY, WHICH IS USUALLY AT LEAST $1,000, IF NOT MORE, IT'S PROBABLY MORE, MAYBE 12 OR $1500 BY NOW.
BUT THE EMPLOYEE IS ONLY PAYING 17% AND THE CITY IS PAYING.
SO THE MORE KIDS YOU HAVE, THE CITY PAYS MORE FOR YOU.
AND. I'M USED TO PRIVATE SECTOR. WE PAID 55%.
THE EMPLOYER PAID UP TO 55%. AND THEN IT WAS.
IT GRADUATED TO FAMILY. WE WOULD PAY LIKE 65 TO 70%.
BUT THE EMPLOYER, THE EMPLOYEE, STILL HAD TO CONTRIBUTE TO HIS OWN HEALTH INSURANCE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT.
WE'VE GOT TO BRING DOWN OUR EXPENSES AND TREAT THE CITY LIKE A BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO GO BROKE. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO BROKE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT CONCERN ME THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT AND AND WHEN YOU, WHEN THEY SAY OR WHOEVER SAYS, WELL, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR GOOD EMPLOYEES.
I AGREE WITH THAT. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SALARIES OF THE STATE EMPLOYEES AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE SALARY OF MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES, MAN, IT PAYS MORE MONEY TO BE CITY THAN STATE.
IT'S JUST MIND BLOWING TO SEE THE BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THAT'S WHY I, I WANT TO LOOK AT THIS.
WELL, WHAT I WOULD ADD, AND YOU DO HAVE A QUITE A FEW VALID POINTS.
AND I THINK WHAT WE MAY WANT TO DO IS JUST SO WE CAN BE ACCURATE IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE, NUMBERS, AND WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER BRINGING A MEMBER FROM HR THAT CAN MAYBE OR I BELIEVE HR FINANCE THAT WE CAN IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS BENEFIT PACKAGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME ACCURATE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS.
WHY DON'T WE DO THIS, MR. VICE CHAIR, LET ME AGAIN SEND OUT THE NUMBERS.
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AND THEN IF YOU, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, WANT TO SCHEDULE AN ITEM ON THERE, YOU CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT IN AUGUST AND THEN SCHEDULE HR OR FINANCE TO COME IN AND CHAT ABOUT IT. OKAY.I'D JUST ADD TO THAT THAT. A GROUP OF EMPLOYEES FALL UNDER A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE BARGAINING TABLE, THE NEW EMPLOYEES PAST THAT POINT MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT THAN THOSE THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN PREVIOUSLY. FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A GROUP THAT CONSISTS OF ONE RETIREE THAT WE PAY OUT OF THE OUT OF THE PENSION FUND JUST FOR THAT GROUP OF ONE PERSON THAT STILL SURVIVES, THANK GOD.
BUT IT GETS REALLY COMPLEX WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS.
BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING ONE THIS YEAR DOES, AND YOU HAD ONE THREE YEARS AGO, YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING THAT APPLIES THAT HAPPENED NINE YEARS AGO AND THAT IN HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU WORK THROUGH THOSE.
WE HAD A REAL ISSUE IN THE CITY AND THAT WAS ALL THROUGHOUT FROM POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS.
WE JUST COULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. WHAT WE RECOMMEND, I MEAN, THE CITY CITY MANAGER ASKED THAT WE DO A SALARY STUDY, SIMILAR SIZED CITY IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND LAND MASS AND SO ON.
PALM BAY RANKED VERY, VERY LOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW MR. BATTEN, MAYBE YOU KNOW, YOUR MEMORY MAYBE BETTER THAN MINE, BUT BUT IT WAS JUST A VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. OVER WELL OVER A HUNDRED CITY MUNICIPALITIES, SIMILAR COUNTY AND PALM BAY RANKED VERY, VERY LOW. SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADJUST THE SALARY SO WE CAN ATTRACT AND RETAIN US.
THAT'S WHY THE LAST, I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND IT SEEMS TO WORK. BUT NOT TO, YOU KNOW, DILUTE YOUR POINT.
IT CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER. I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY WE MAY HAVE IS THE FOLKS THAT WE HAVE, HOW CAN WE GET HOW CAN IT BE MORE EFFICIENT, THE OVERALL OPERATION, HOW CAN WE GET MORE FOR WHAT WE'RE PAYING? SO, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO WAS, WAS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IN TERMS OF SALARY AND BENEFITS.
BUT I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY MAY BE WHERE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE OVERALL OPERATION AND LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS, THE PROFESSIONALS. SO. SO I'LL CIRCULATE THE NUMBERS AND YOU ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AFTER YOU SEE THE NUMBERS. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS FOR YOU.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR FOR THE GOOD OF THE GROUP REPORT? YES. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT A HAPPY EMPLOYEE IS A HAPPY WORKPLACE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN.
SO AS WE GROW, WE MIGHT NOT NEED TO ADD MORE EMPLOYEES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE WHEN TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT PROCESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT AND YOU NEED TO BALANCE ALL SIDES.
BUT IF RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS TRUTH OR NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT CITY EMPLOYEES ARE HAPPY, THEY'LL BE MORE PRODUCTIVE.
AND WE HAVE TO ENCOURAGE THAT. AND THEN MAYBE LOOK DEPARTMENT WISE AT WAYS TO STREAMLINE AS PEOPLE LEAVE OR RETIRE, WE MIGHT NOT NEED TO REPLACE THEM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
BUT I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST YOU KNOW, CUTTING BENEFITS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
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IT JUST CREATES, CREATES A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT, AS WE LIKE TO SAY, WITHIN, WITHIN DEPARTMENTS AND WHICH DEPARTMENT GOT THIS.AND, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S ALL BE HAPPY ABOUT THE WAY THE CITY IS GOING.
IF I COULD JUST MAKE AN EDITORIAL COMMENT ON THAT.
MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA TODAY ARE WORRIED ABOUT TWO THINGS.
ONE IS PROPERTY TAX REFORM AND WHETHER THEY WILL EVEN HAVE A JOB COME NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT, IF CITIES HAVE TO CUT MONEY AND REDUCE SERVICES ON THERE.
AND YOU SAW THE PRESENTATION FROM THE THE MANAGER AND THE POTENTIAL CUTS THAT THAT YOU MAY BE COMING DUE TO PROPERTY TAX REFORM IN THE FUTURE. SECOND IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AI.
SO THE HAPPY EMPLOYEE IS A GOOD EMPLOYEE. IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN MY MIND, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE FACING THE STRESSES OF WHETHER THEY WILL EVEN HAVE EMPLOYMENT IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S JUST MY EDITORIAL COMMENT. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REFLECT YOUR ADMINISTRATION OR THE COUNCIL.
I WOULD ADD MY EDITORIAL COMMENT. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.
PEOPLE GET FIRED IN THE REAL WORLD ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF AUTOMATION AND OTHER PROBLEMS. THINGS HAPPEN, BUSINESSES GROW, MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
THAT'S THE REAL WORLD. THANK YOU. OKAY. MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF YOU NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
DO WE. DO WE? OKAY, FINE. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL RIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.