OKAY, IT'S 602, AND I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK FOR A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
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JOSE AGUILERA. LESLIE ROACH. PRESENT. THOMAS GOREHAM PRESENT.JIMMY BACKUS. PRESENT. CHAD. STOREY. PRESENT.
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OKAY. BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MINUTES.ANY CHANGES? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE.
MINUTES. MOTION TO SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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MR. BATTEN. 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST, JUST FOR FUTURE PLANNING.BY CHANCE, IF THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION DOES PASS IN NOVEMBER.
IF THE. IS THE BOARD LOOKING AT ANY MECHANISM THAT THEY COULD BE THINKING OF, THAT COULD BE SOME SOME WAY TO HELP OFFSET THE COST OF ROAD MAINTENANCE AND ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS.
JUST BE THINKING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON US.
IF IT PASSES, HOPEFULLY IT DOES NOT.
I'M DOCTOR ALLEN, MILES, NORTHEAST PALM BAY. AND I ACTUALLY HAD TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE WAS THAT I SAW THAT EMERSON AT MALABAR ROAD WAS APPROVED FOR A WIDENING PROJECT.
DO WE KNOW WHETHER THOSE FUNDS WILL BE. SECURED FOR THAT PROJECT, AND HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE FOR THAT PROJECT TO HAPPEN AT THE CHIPOTLE RESTAURANT THERE? BECAUSE YOU BASICALLY HAVE TWO LANES GOING INTO, WELL, ONE LANE GOING INTO TWO ON THE OTHER SIDE, EMERSON. AND IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL DURING RUSH HOUR FOR THAT TO OCCUR.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS I CONTACTED A GENTLEMAN NAMED PETER WINN, WHO IS THE BREVARD COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS, AND IT WAS IN REGARD TO SOUTHBOUND ON MINTON ROAD, COMING UP RIGHT AT PALM BAY ROAD, WHERE THE BIG INTERSECTION IS.
SO YOU HAVE THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC COMING WEST ON PALM BAY, MAKING THAT SUPER TURN THERE.
BUT YOU ONLY HAVE TWO LANES GOING SOUTH, AND SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONGESTION THERE.
AND THEY'VE TIMED THE LIGHTS IN A UNUSUAL WAY, I WOULD SAY.
SO I ASKED IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A SMALL SPUR THERE TO WIDEN THAT.
BUT WHAT IT BASICALLY SAYS IS THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY IN OCTOBER AND IT SAYS THAT THEY WERE BELOW THE CAPACITY. WHICH SEEMS HIGHLY UNLIKELY SINCE THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP BASICALLY THE BRIDGE THESE DAYS.
SO THAT'S ABOUT A MILE. AND AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO THAT.
ALSO, THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO WAIT THROUGH THE LIGHTS TO SEQUENCE ON PALM BAY ROAD NOW TAKE CULVER AS A SHORTCUT UP TO EMERSON AND THEN TAKE EMERSON STRAIGHT ACROSS GOING WESTBOUND.
SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS REWARDED PEOPLE THAT DO THE SHORTCUT BY LENGTHENING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT THAT LIGHT SEQUENCE IS GOING EAST WEST, WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE NORTH SOUTH AREA TO HAVE AS MUCH TIME ON THE LIGHT SYSTEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT SOME PRESSURE ON THEM BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS CAN THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE CARS COMING AND THERE'S NO ROADS TO TAKE THEM. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE A SPUR.
AND YEAH, IT WOULD BE A HASSLE AND IT'D BE WHATEVER, THREE, $5 MILLION TO GO HALF A MILE UP TO MAYBE HEALD, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THREE LANES GOING SOUTH. JUST LIKE YOU'D HAVE THE THREE LANES TURNING.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT PROBABLY 50% OF THOSE CARS ARE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT TURN ANYWAY.
SO THEY NEED TO BE IN THE RIGHT LANE SO THEY CAN GO WESTBOUND, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE NEW TRAFFIC.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU THIS DOCUMENT. YOU GUYS CAN LOOK IT OVER.
ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO GIVE IT. YEAH.
OVER HERE. AND THEY CAN SCAN IT AND SEND IT TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND MR. BRINKLEY. MR. BRINKLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT?
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THANK YOU. SO HAVE THE FUNDS BEEN SECURED OR NO.AND WHEN ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT TO START AND EMERSON GOING SOUTH? THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. I THINK IT'S JUST STARTING TO COME IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.
NO. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU YOUR ANSWERS.
THANK YOU. UNDER NEW BUSINESS MAINTENANCE FOR SIDEWALK DISCUSSIONS, MR.
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BLOUNT.GENTLEMEN. GOOD EVENING. BILL WATKINSON, CITY OF PALM BAY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE A RIGHT NOW OUTSTANDING 30 OF THEM. WE HAVE ABOUT A $30,000 BUDGET EACH YEAR.
ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS IT WAS 15,000. SO IT JUST WENT UP TO 30.
WE WORK FROM REQUESTS, STAFF REQUESTS, AND THEN WE ALSO GET FROM RISK MANAGEMENT, ANYBODY THAT HAS AN ISSUE ON A SIDEWALK, WE MOVE THAT TO THE TOP IF THAT EVER IF THAT HAPPENS.
YES, SIR. I RIDE A BIKE. I USE THE SIDEWALKS.
SO I HAVE USED A TICKET SYSTEM AND TAKING PICTURES OF BAD AREAS AND SEND THEM IN.
AND THEY'VE BEEN HANDLED USUALLY THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF ANYBODY HAS A.
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UNDER OLD BUSINESS, MISS MISS SULLIVAN.THANK YOU. BOARD. BEFORE I GET INTO WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MISTER WATKINSON WILL BE LEAVING US IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
AFTER 41 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
IS HE SELLING HIS SECOND HOME? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL MISS HIM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU.
WELL DONE SIR. THANK YOU. NICE JOB. SO AS AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE DID HAVE A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX PREPARED.
AND CURRENTLY IT IS BEING REVIEWED BY AN OUTSOURCED ENGINEER TO COME UP WITH A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN. I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE OVER HERE. THANK YOU.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE SCREEN.
THE ORANGE AND RED IS A LOWER PCI PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX THAN THE BLUE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR PAVEMENT HAS COVERED A LOT OF THE CITY, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO CONTINUE THAT WITH THE REMAINING ROAD BOND FUNDS. WE'RE ASKING OUR OUTSOURCED ENGINEER TO PREPARE A PLAN FOR US, WHICH THEY WILL BE PRESENTING TO OUR COUNCIL IN AUGUST.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ANY CLOSE UPS OF ANY OF THESE AREAS? I CAN, I CAN CLICK ON A ROAD AND IT WILL. I'M NOT LYING.
I PROMISE IT WILL TAKE US TO THAT AREA AND WE CAN DRIVE THE ROAD TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BACK UP. TURN AROUND. IT SHOWS US HERE THE QUALITY OF THE ACTUAL ASPHALT.
THIS IS THE CAMERA LOOKING DOWN. THIS IS THE CAMERA LOOKING OUT.
AND THE SCORES ARE SHOWN HERE. SO THAT'S A PUBLICLY
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ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE FOR THE MASSES TO TO REVIEW.OKAY. SO IF SOMEBODY CALLED WITH A QUESTION, THEY COULD OF CONDITION OR, OR ISSUE, YOU COULD IMMEDIATELY GO TO THEIR LOCATION, AT LEAST SEE THE HAVE A QUICK VISUAL. IS THAT JUST FOR.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RED, THE GREEN AND THE, AND THE DARK BLUE? THE DARK BLUE ARE AREAS THAT ARE, HAVE A HIGHER PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.
THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT HAVE MOST LIKELY BEEN RECENTLY REPAVED IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
IF I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, BUT THESE AREAS WERE THE WORST OF THE CITY WHEN WE BEGAN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE ALL VERY NICE NOW.
THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH PCI THE AREAS. WE HAD, WE HAD THE ROAD BOND BROKEN UP INTO FIVE PHASES.
PHASES ONE AND TWO WERE COMPLETED. PHASE THREE WAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED.
AND PHASE FOUR WAS PAUSED UNTIL WE COULD GATHER THIS EMPIRICAL DATA AND PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL WITH A PLAN. AND THAT'S THE STAGE WE'RE AT NOW.
AND I SEE A LOT OF NON-COLORED AREAS THAT'S PROBABLY LOW GATED COMMUNITY.
THE AREAS THAT HAVE NO COLOR ARE NOT CITY ROADS OR THEY ARE DIRT ROADS.
I HAVE A COUPLE AREAS, ROADS CONSIDERED DIRT BY THE PCI.
WE DID NOT PCI THE COMPOUND OTHER THAN THE THE.
THE MAJOR ROADS. BOMBARDIER. COULD YOU LOOK UP THE NORTHEAST, UP THE OLD.
CERTAINLY GOOD. PARK AND COUNTRY CLUB. OH, WAY NORTHEAST LIKE UP IN HERE.
YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD THROUGH THERE. YES.
THE STORMWATER PROJECTS WERE TYPICALLY DONE IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD PROJECTS.
OUR INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RIP UP THE ROAD MORE THAN ONCE.
SO WE REPLACED ALL OF THE STORMWATER PIPES. ACTUALLY, THERE ARE SOME UNITS NOW THAT FOR INSTANCE, UNIT 45, I BELIEVE UNIT 44. FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WHICH, IN WHICH WE HAVE REPLACED THE PIPES, BUT WE DID NOT GET TO GO REPLACE THE ROADS YET.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT. MY CONCERN WAS I KNEW A LOT OF THAT HAD THE CALIFORNIA GUTTERS OR MY MIAMI CURBS, THE MIAMI CURBS. OKAY. YEAH, ONE OF THOSE PLACES, RIGHT.
MIAMI, YOU KNOW, PLACES I DON'T GO. YEAH. SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN THERE.
THE OTHER AREA IS THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD ON EMERSON, JUST EAST OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE.
WHAT PART OF EMERSON? JUST EAST OF THE PARKWAY.
OH, YEAH. 44. YES. ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? YES. THE PIPES WERE REPLACED.
THE PIPE PROJECT WAS WAS DONE. THE THE BID WENT TO COUNCIL AND AND COUNCIL REFUSED TO AWARD. THAT'S RIGHT. I REMEMBER THAT ON THIS EMPIRICAL DATA.
RIGHT. SO THOSE STREETS ARE STILL IN THAT CONDITION.
AND THOSE PEOPLE'S HOME VALUES ARE GOING TO REALLY FEEL THAT.
I CANNOT SAY WHAT THE PLAN IS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLAN.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY ANY INSIGHTS TO IT. IT MAY BE THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS WE COULD GO.
WE MAY FOCUS ON COLLECTOR AND ARTERIAL ROADS.
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JUST FOR THAT REASON. IS IT? IT'S THE ONE AREA WHERE WE'RE HIGH GROWTH ABUTTED RIGHT UP AGAINST SOME OLDER HOMES THAT WERE BUILT 30 TO 40 YEARS AGO. PROBABLY. ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR.SO HOW PROBLEMATIC. I MEAN, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY KIND OF LOOKS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE YOU GOT SOME RED AREAS AND THEN MIXED IN WITH A LOT OF GREEN AND A LOT OF YELLOW. ARE WE CONCENTRATING ON. SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO A LITTLE MORE EAST WHERE IT'S A LOT MORE RED, WOULD WE CONCENTRATE MORE ON TRYING TO GET THE MOST AMOUNT OF EFFORT DONE IN AN AREA BECAUSE TO THAT THE THE THE THE EMERSON AREA LOOKS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I DON'T KNOW, ONE, TWO, THREE BLOCKS AT A TIME THAT ARE RED, BUT IT'S WRAPPED AROUND A LOT OF GREEN AND, AND BLUE.
HOW DO YOU HOW ARE YOU PRIORITIZING AN AREA VERSUS MOBILIZATION? YEAH. OH, BIG DOG HERE. SO. THANK YOU. KEVIN BRINKLEY, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, 1050 MALABAR ROAD. WE BILL AND I HAVE BUNK BEDS.
SO IF YOU RECALL MY PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL THIS PAST SPRING WE GOT THIS PCI UPDATE DURING THE PAUSE OF THE GO ROADS IN ORDER TO KIND OF GET A PULSE CHECK ON WHERE WE ARE, WHAT OUR, WHAT OF OUR FUNDS ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR? AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE OUR NEXT STEPS? WHAT WE DECIDED WAS TO TAKE ALL OF THIS DATA, PROVIDE IT TO KIMLEY-HORN AND SAY PEOPLE SMARTER THAN, THAN US COME UP WITH THAT, ASK THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS.
AND I'M CURIOUS, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. ARE WE GOING TO FOCUS ON SEGMENTS STILL? ARE WE GOING TO FOCUS ON DAILY TRAFFIC AND THE ROADS THAT ARE IN NEED OF RESURFACING BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING SO MUCH MORE TRAFFIC, THEY'RE DETERIORATING MORE QUICKLY? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS WORTH MENTIONING FOR THIS BOARD, I BELIEVE WHEN I WAS READING MY RECORD BOOKS, LIKE, DIDN'T THIS BOARD KIND OF START ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THE GO ROADS? AND NO, OKAY, I'M SORRY, I WAS INCORRECT ON THAT, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE GO ROADS SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2017.
I WAS INVOLVED IN IT EARLIER THAN THAT. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE BOARD HAS BEEN ABOUT 16 YEARS GO ROADS CAME 2020. OKAY. THE, THE PCI AVERAGE. SO THE SCORE REMEMBER, GOES FROM 0 TO 100, RIGHT.
ANYTHING 50 OR BELOW IS TRAGICALLY FAILING. ANYTHING 70 OR ABOVE IS 70 IS IS WHAT WE TRY TO.
THAT'S THE STANDARD ALL THE CITIES WILL TRY TO MAINTAIN, RIGHT. WE WANT TO BE A 70 OR ABOVE. WHEN WE DID THE PCI IN 2017, THE AVERAGE FOR THE CITY'S ENTIRE ROAD NETWORK WAS 68.
SO OUR AVERAGE SCORE WAS 68. FAST FORWARD TO THE ONE WE JUST DID LAST YEAR.
AVERAGE SCORE IS 86. SO THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE ROADS IN PALM BAY, THANKS TO THE EFFORTS OF THE DEDICATED PUBLIC WORKS STAFF AND THIS AWESOME BOARD HAS INCREASED OUR OVERALL AVERAGE SCORE SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT ARE RED AND YELLOW BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO, TO DO BETTER, BUT THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIG DIFFERENCE MADE IN JUST THE PAST DECADE AS FAR AS ROADS GO.
HEY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF THIS THE DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY HAS THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, MORE MINDS TOGETHER GET BETTER INFORMATION.
SO AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT BACK, REWORK IT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GET, AND THEN PRESENT THE FINAL, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S YOUR FINAL PLAN.
DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WILL. DID THAT, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ANYTHING ELSE? PLEASE. OH. GO AHEAD. SURE. DO WE SEE EXCESS DAMAGE OR LOWER QUALITY ROADS AROUND AREAS WHERE THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY LIKE LARGER DEVELOPERS? AND IS THAT DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE EXCESS STRAIN THAT'S PUT ON BY THE ADDITIONAL CARS.
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THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY.I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT AFFECTS A CITY OWNED ROAD, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS USING THAT ROADWAY FOR CONSTRUCTION, THAT I AM AWARE OF BONDS THAT WE REQUIRE FROM THE DEVELOPER AS PART OF THE PRE PRE PRE APPROVALS.
SO WE ARE AWARE, WE, WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF THE DEVELOPERS AND THE DAMAGE THAT THEY MAY HAVE ON SOME OF OUR PUBLIC ROADS, AND WE DO ASK THEM TO MAKE ANY REPAIRS NECESSARY.
WHAT ABOUT JUST THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE? THAT'S PART OF THE IMPACT FEES. THE IMPACT FEES ARE DETERMINED BY TRAFFIC STUDIES, WHICH INDICATE HOW MANY NEW TRIPS ARE GOING TO BE GENERATED BY WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S BEING BUILT, WHETHER IT BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AN ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, OR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF TABLES AND TO, TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE.
OKAY. SO IT'S STILL ALL ROLLED INTO ONE WHERE? YES, SIR. ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD.
IMPACT FEES ARE USED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY, NOT FOR REPAIR.
SO THE IMPACT ON THE ROAD. IF IT'S BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS IS INCREASED ENOUGH TO REQUIRE A WIDENING OR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OR TURN LANES THEN THAT IS WHAT THE IMPACT FEE FUNDS WOULD BE USED FOR, NOT FOR MAINTENANCE OR I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SHOW THIS TO YOU FOR MONTHS, AND I'M VERY EXCITED THAT YOU FINALLY GOT TO SEE IT.
YEAH. I'M PRETTY PROUD TO SEE ALL THAT BLUE. I AM EXCEEDINGLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND PALM BAY HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, SEVEN YEARS.
SEVEN YEARS. GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM.
THEY'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND DEDICATED. SO THANK YOU FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT, I APPRECIATE IT.
OKAY. AGENDA REQUEST FOR FUTURE MEETINGS. I DO HAVE ONE BECAUSE WE WERE.
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OH. I'M SORRY. OH. I'M SORRY. DID WE HAVE. YEAH.I DIDN'T OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT SECTION.
DID EITHER ANYBODY? PLEASE GO AHEAD, MR. BENTON.
MY APOLOGIES. THAT'S THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENS.
I'LL BE LUCKY. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I JUST CURIOUS AFTER ATTENDING SOME OF THE BUDGET MEETINGS.
WE WAITED APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS. THEN WE STARTED COMING IN AND DOING THE SCHEDULED ROAD MAINTENANCE OF THEM TO KEEP THAT GOING SO THEY DON'T DETERIORATE IN TEN YEARS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ALSO MEANS THAT WE DO SPEND A SMALL PORTION EVERY I THINK IT'S EVERY FIVE YEARS.
IT HAS TO BE RE RE RE REJUVENATED OR THE SEALANT PUT BACK ON.
AND SO MY FEAR IS BECAUSE AFTER ATTENDING THE BUDGET MEETINGS THAT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER.
WELL, THAT'S ONE THING WE WON'T DO IS WE WON'T MAINTAIN IT.
SO WE'VE GONE BACK INSTEAD OF PROGRESSING FORWARD.
SO HAVE YOU HAS ANYBODY HEARD ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE LIKE IN PHASE THREE THAT'LL BE DUE FOR THE INITIAL COATING IN TWO YEARS. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT OR WE DON'T KNOW YET.
SO I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT MY BUDGET. BUT IT IS FEARFUL.
I MEAN FROM FROM MY PURE UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS STILL AT A HIGH LEVEL, A LOT OF THIS REQUIREMENT IS BASED OFF OF WHAT THE LEGISLATION COMES OUT AND WHAT THE VOTE COMES OUT, RIGHT. THEN THE MONEY IS GOING TO BASICALLY, THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE LAID AT EVERY MUNICIPALITY IS,
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ARE YOU NOW GOING TO PICK UP THE DIFFERENCE OR YOU'RE NOT? AND SO THAT IS GOING TO BE THE QUESTION THAT GETS ASKED.AND THE ANSWER WILL WIND UP BEING WHAT PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY IS OF THE IMPACT OF THAT YES OR NO VOTE, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FEEL GOOD IDEA UNTIL YOU REALIZE IT WAS MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE STATE THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE THERE.
THEY JUST SHIFT AROUND WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM.
I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. THE SCHOOL I WENT TO IN INDIANA, THE.
DISTRICT THERE NOW HAS THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO THE SCHOOL OFFICERS AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCHOOLS IS TOTALLY FUNDED THROUGH THE SCHOOL BOARD TAX, INCLUDING ALL OF THEIR POLICE FUNCTIONS ON THROUGH THE DISTRICT.
SO. CAN YOU ROTATE IT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THE LOCHMOR AND OAKVIEW ESTATES, SOME SENIOR CENTER SHOWS UP A LITTLE BRIGHTER AGAIN WHERE ALL THE RED WAS? ALL RIGHT. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
THOSE ARE FAIRLY EXCLUSIVE HOMES AT ONE TIME.
THAT'S LOCHMOR THERE HALF THIRD ACRE LOTS. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
SO MY POINT IS THAT THAT AREA WAS 95% BUILT OUT, WHICH MEANS THE TAX BASE ON THOSE WAS 95%.
AND YET THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED.
THEY'RE SOME OF THE PIPES. HAVE YOU SAID CORRECT, BUT NOT THE ROADS.
AND SO THE AREAS THAT WERE WAY, WAY, WAY SOUTH THAT HAD A 25 TO 50 TO MAYBE 60% BUILD OUT.
SO I DON'T AND I, I GUESS THEY HAD A BOND ORIGINALLY, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST PULL ANOTHER BOND AND FINISH IT BECAUSE RED IS BAD IN THAT WHOLE AREA IS RED. AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXES FOR A LONG TIME AND DON'T RECEIVE ANY SERVICES FOR IT.
THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN THAT AREA.
MY DAUGHTER ACTUALLY LIVES IN THAT AREA AND A LOT OF IT HAS.
I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE LONG PERIOD WHERE WE WENT THROUGH THE TRANSITION FROM THE GOLF COURSE TO RESIDENTIAL, AND DURING THAT PROCESS, THE ROADS DIDN'T GET DONE WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
SO. BUT IT A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED.
BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SOME NICE HOUSES IN THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY NEED THE ROADS TO MATCH THE HOUSE.
ANY OTHER. THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD WAS LOOKING AT PERMITTING THINGS THAT GO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'VE HAD NOW TWO INSTANCES WHERE THINGS ARE PUT UP IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND COULD BE CONSIDERED A HAZARD TO A ROADSIDE HAZARD. AND SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AND FIND OUT WHERE IS THE GAP BETWEEN THE PERMITTING AND PUBLIC WORKS, BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS ISN'T BEING INFORMED THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING IN.
AND SO THEY'RE NEVER BEING ENGINEERED FOR USE NEXT TO A ROADWAY.
SO THEY BECOME AN EVENT OF AN ACCIDENT AND THEY GET HIT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I DO, AND I HAVE ONE POINT ABOUT SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY, I THINK THIS MONTH, AT LEAST ON THE SAINT JOHN'S WIDENING WEBSITE JULY WAS THE ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE OF, OF THE STUDY AND DESIGN.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? IS IT STILL ON TRACK OR.
THANK YOU, MISTER STORY. I'M GOING TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ASKING FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT TO THE CONTRACT TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT. WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION SOONER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
SO WE NEED TO BRING THE PLANS UP TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS REQUIRED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
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SO THAT WILL BE GOING TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING.WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THE ESTIMATED COMPLETION OF DESIGN TO JULY OF 27.
REPEAT THAT LAST PART JULY OF 2027. THE BEGINNING THAT WOULD AFFECT.
SO IS THAT THE FUNDING REQUEST OR THE START OF IT IS.
I'M SORRY. YOU MEAN CONSTRUCTION FUNDING REQUEST? YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU NORMALLY DON'T REQUEST FUNDING UNTIL AFTER THE DESIGN IS COMPLETED.
RIGHT. AND THEN AND THEN AT THAT POINT. SO ARE YOU.
SO THIS TIME NEXT YEAR IS THE START OF CONSTRUCTION, MEANING THE FUNDING WOULD HAVE HAD TO BEEN APPROVED OR IS APPROVED AROUND IN A GENERAL TIME FRAME. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF FUNDING RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO BRING THE DESIGN PLANS UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS. AND CONSIDERING ALL OF THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
THERE ARE NEW SURVEYS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THERE ARE NEW UTILITY CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO BE HAD PERMITTING THAT NEEDS TO BE REQUESTED AND, AND SUPPLIED. SO YEAH, AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF OUR SIDEBAR CONVERSATION LAST TIME WAS I THINK THE CIRCLE K AND THE 7-ELEVEN THERE TO EVERYONE'S POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT TRIES TO BYPASS THE LEFT HAND TURN OFF OF EMERSON ON SAINT JOHN'S, AND THEY'LL GO DOWN TO POST ROAD TO TRY TO BYPASS TRYING TO POST PACE PACE ROAD, SORRY.
BUT THEN EVEN, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DESIGN REVIEW BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT 7-ELEVEN DID WAS BUILD THAT YOU GUYS CALL IT A PORK CHOP WHICH I'VE NEVER, I'VE HEARD IT AS TRAFFIC ISLAND.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BUILT WHERE THE NEW TWO LANE WOULD BE, SO WE'D HAVE TO PUT IN MY MIND, POTENTIALLY DISRUPT WHAT WAS BUILT THERE AS A PART OF THE APPROVED PLAN ON THE 7-ELEVEN, BECAUSE I COULD NOT FIND WHAT THE 7-ELEVEN PLATT PLAN WOULD HAVE BEEN WHAT THEY HOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DESIGN IT.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE TWO THE TWO ROADS, THE WAY I READ THE.
THE WEBSITE IS THE. THE TWO LANE EXIST. THE EXISTING TWO LANES TODAY WILL BE.
THE EASTBOUND SOUTHBOUND LANE AND NEW LANES WOULD BE THE.
THE OPPOSITE LANES. AND WHERE THAT THAT THAT TRAFFIC DEVICE WAS PUT THERE AT THE AT THE 7-ELEVEN IS CURRENTLY LOCATED WHERE THE NEW TWO LANES WOULD BE.
SO THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, PART OF WHAT YOUR, YOUR REDESIGN DISCUSSION WOULD BE, BUT DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE KIND OF A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM OFFSET THAT, THAT, THAT BUILD OUT WHERE IT WOULD BE FUTURE IN THE FUTURE IS AT LEAST MY UNEDUCATED EYE.
AT LEAST THAT'S HOW IT LOOKED LIKE THE THE ENGINEER FOR THE 7-ELEVEN, THE CIRCLE K AND THE WIDENING OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. WE'RE ALL IN COMMUNICATION DURING THAT ENTIRE PROCESS.
AND EXCUSE ME, IN ADDITION TO THE ENGINEER WHO WAS DESIGNING THE MAST ARMS FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
SO ALL OF IT WAS DONE TOGETHER CONCURRENTLY AND, AND WITH COLLABORATION TO MAKE IT AS, AS FOUR LANE READY AS WAS FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME. SO IT, IT, WE AND WE, WE ANTICIPATE SOME MOVEMENT OF THE MAST ARMS, BUT NOTHING THAT IS TO TOO MUCH OF A HARDSHIP FOR THE CITY.
TIMELINE ON ON THE MAST ARMS. NOTHING STILL IN CONCRETE.
THAT'LL BE THAT'LL THAT STARTS. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
I'M SORRY. I HAVE A LOT OF DATES IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG ONE. BUT NONETHELESS, THE MAST ARMS ARE GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN THAN NEEDED FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WE HAVE I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY GONE TO COUNCIL.
YES. AND ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO PURCHASE AN ADDITIONAL PORTABLE SIGNAL SO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE THAT ARE UNUSED RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED FOUR FOR THAT INTERSECTION, SO PORTABLE SIGNALS WILL BE PLACED.
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WHEN WE GET THAT FOURTH PORTABLE AND BEFORE THAT, THAT ROAD IS OPEN.YEAH. THE, AND THE REASON WHY I BRING IT UP BECAUSE THE THE, THE NEW SECTION FOR THAT EVERLANE'S COMMUNITY WAS APPROVED, I THINK WITHIN THE LAST MONTH. AND I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION TO BE READY FOR THE FIRST HOUSE AND I, BUT IT DOES WORRY ME BECAUSE AGAIN, WITH ALL THE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC ON EMERSON, ON ON SAINT JOHNS, THE BIGGEST HOLD UP IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO LEFT HAND TURN ONTO EMERSON AND THERE'S NO RIGHT HAND.
THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL HELP THAT PRIMARILY EMERSON LEFT HAND TURN, BUT WITHOUT A TURN LANE ON, SOUTH ON SAINT JOHN'S, IT BACKS. THAT'S, I THINK, THE MAJOR CAUSE OF WHY I BELIEVE A TURN LANE WAS ADDED, WASN'T IT, JOHN? AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF DURING THAT PROCESS, REVIEWED IT. AND YEAH, SO I DON'T SEE THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE BY THE DEVELOPER.
YES. THE ROAD WORK IS BEING DONE BY THE DEVELOPER.
THE CITY IS INSTALLING THE SIGNAL ONLY. OKAY.
SO THERE WILL ONCE THE SIGNAL COMES ONLINE, THERE WILL BE A LEFT HAND TURN.
I, I'M A I'M A FAN OF WHERE I CAME FROM. THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS.
FRANKLIN, TENNESSEE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO MIMIC NOT BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA, SOMEWHERE IN INDIANA WHO WENT ABSOLUTELY APE ABOUT WITH, WITH EVERYTHING IN THAT CITY. WAS TURNED INTO A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
AND IT TOOK DECADES, BUT OF REENGINEERING OF PEOPLE'S THOUGHT PROCESS.
BUT IT ACTUALLY WORKS NOW. SO THERE'S A LOVE HATE RELATIONSHIP WITH TRAFFIC CIRCLES.
IT JUST TAKES A LONG RUNWAY OF GETTING USED TO BEFORE IT GETS ASSIMILATED.
SO IT'S, IT'S FROM, FROM A MAINTENANCE POINT OF VIEW A ROUNDABOUT TRAFFIC CIRCLE DOES HAVE A LOT OF BENEFITS, LONG TERM BENEFITS, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE LIKE FLORIDA, WHERE WE DO HAVE POWER OUTAGES FROM TIME TO TIME CAUSED BY STORMS LIGHTS GOING DOWN.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A PLACE WITH A ROUNDABOUT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY AS MUCH FOR THAT.
AND YOU RELY ON PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING THAT IT.
IF YOU LET EVERY. IF YOU LET THE MAGIC HAPPEN, TRAFFIC MOVES.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT IS TO KEEP MOVEMENT.
SO YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER INPUT FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? YES, SIR. SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 641.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.