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ASK ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US GOT OUR OWN THINGS.
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I'M GOING TO CHECK RIGHT NOW AS WELL. THERE WE GO.IT'S SILENCE. IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY GOING OFF RIGHT NOW.
TURN THE RINGERS OFF. TURN YOUR NOTIFICATIONS OFF.
ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE STAND WITH ME AND WE'LL PLEDGE OUR FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AMEN. ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, MISS POWELL, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES, MR. KARAFFA HERE. MR. WARNER PRESENT. MR. CATALANO HERE. MR. FILIBERTO HERE. MR. HIGGINS HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
MR. MCNALLY, WE ARE EXPECTING MR. NORRIS HERE.
AND MISS BRACCO HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED. CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY TANYA EARLEY IS PRESENT.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED TO HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR PRIOR MEETING IN JULY.
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DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE JULY MEETING MINUTES.SECOND. MR. CATALANO, ALL OVER THE. ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING LAST MONTH'S MEETING DESIGNATE BY SAYING I, I I.
ALL OPPOSED. AND THE AYES HAVE IT. MOVING ON TO.
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WELL, HANG ON A SECOND. I GOT TO READ THIS. SORRY.THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION STAFF WILL WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF.
THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN BE ASKED TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION GERMANE TO THE CASE, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR ALL PROCEEDINGS, ALL APPLICANTS AND SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE MUST SIGN SPEAK SPEAKER OATH CARDS LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM AND ALSO SORRY, THE SIDE OF THE ROOM OVER HERE AND ALSO AT THE PODIUM.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY. SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN YOUR COMMENTS. FOR THE RECORD, AS A COURTESY, I ASK IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAY HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS. YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS. I WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD FROM THE AUDIENCE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION IN ADHERING TO THE MEETING GUIDELINES.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE HAVE OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THAT IS V26-000 FOR
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A CARPORT. AND WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF. GOOD EVENING.STAFF GOES FIRST, THEN THE APPLICANT. DON'T WORRY, MAN, YOU'LL GET YOUR CHANCE. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS. BEFORE I PRESENT THE CASE, COULD WE DO A POLL OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS? YES. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT HAS HAD A CONVERSATION IN RELATION TO THIS SPECIFIC ITEM WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE MEETING? HEARING NONE. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. PLEASE CONTINUE.
YOU'RE WELCOME. THE FIRST CASE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A VARIANCE REQUEST SUBMITTED BY MR. TIM AND MISS ANGELA CESAR FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 701 PEPPER STREET, NORTHEAST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A 6.5FT REDUCTION TO THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACK IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT ON THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST AGAINST THE VARIANCE CRITERIA CONTAINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WILL BRIEFLY COVER THOSE FINDINGS.
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THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.43 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING WAS NOT REQUIRED PURSUANT TO CODE.
HOWEVER, NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS WERE MET PURSUANT TO PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR ADVERTISEMENTS, MAILED NOTICES AND POSTED NOTICES. AND YOU ARE REVIEWING THIS ITEM TONIGHT BECAUSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION 172.025, STATES THAT ANY VARIANCE REQUESTS SHALL BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE SLIDE THAT'S CURRENTLY UP SHOWS THE APPLICANT SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED CARPORT.
THE CARPORT IS PROPOSED ALONG THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE AND WOULD EXTEND INTO THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACK 6.5FT, WHICH IS THE BASIS FOR THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
SIDE YARD SETBACK STANDARDS ARE ESTABLISHED TO MAINTAIN ADEQUATE SEPARATION BETWEEN STRUCTURES, PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND SPACING OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, ACCOMMODATE DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS WHERE APPLICABLE, AND MINIMIZE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
ON THE SCREEN NOW IS A LIST OF THE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA, ALONG WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. VARIANCES FROM THE TERMS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MAY BE GRANTED WHEN SPECIAL CONDITIONS EXIST THAT WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVISIONS ARE ENFORCED.
STAFF EVALUATED THE ITEM USING THE CRITERIA ON THE SCREEN CONCERNING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE MINIMUM NECESSARY FOR PROPERTY USE ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.
HARMONY WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODE. PUBLIC WELFARE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL JUST GO OVER SOME OF OUR FINDINGS, INCLUDING THAT STAFF FOUND THAT THERE WAS NO UNIQUE PHYSICAL CONDITION OR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT EXISTED SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY.
WE ALSO FIND THAT THE REQUESTED 6.5FT SETBACK REDUCTION IS NOT THE MINIMUM RELIEF THAT THE APPLICANT COULD HAVE REQUESTED TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. ALTERNATE LOCATIONS OR DESIGNS DO ACTUALLY EXIST THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE CARPORT.
APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE WOULD GRANT A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE TO THE APPLICANT THAT ISN'T AVAILABLE TO OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTIES THAT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED SETBACKS. AND IN CONCLUDING OUR FINDINGS, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT A REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACK IS NECESSARY DUE TO A HARDSHIP THAT'S UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. THEREFORE, THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE SETBACK REGULATIONS AND DOES NOT SATISFY THE CRITERIA OF SECTION 172.025. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL DUE TO INADEQUATE JUSTIFICATION BY THE APPLICANT.
TONIGHT, WE'RE REQUESTING THE BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO EITHER APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE, WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.
SIR. HELLO, EVERYBODY. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YEAH.
OKAY. MY NAME IS TIM CAESAR. MY WIFE, ANGELA CAESAR.
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AND SO THE REASON THAT WE. YOUR ADDRESS, SIR? I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. 701 PEPPER STREET, NORTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA, 32907.IT'S THE AREA OF LAMAR. THANK YOU. WHICH IS NOT VERY FAR FROM HERE.
SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THIS VARIANCE IS IN MY HARDSHIP, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS TWOFOLD. NUMBER ONE THE SIDE YARD IS NOT CONDUCIVE OR IT'S NOT NOT BIG ENOUGH TO FIT WHAT I NEED TO PUT IN THERE.
I'VE GOT WELL NORTH OF $100,000 OF CLASSIC CARS AND NO CARPORT MEANS I GOT TO KEEP THEM UNDER COVERS, KEEP THEM IN THE ELEMENTS, KEEP THEM OUTSIDE.
HOPE IT DOESN'T HAIL OUTSIDE. HOPE IT. YOU KNOW THE WEATHER, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T BLOW STUFF FROM NEIGHBOR'S YARDS ONTO MY CARS, WHICH HAPPENED A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH ONE OF THE STORMS. NEIGHBOR'S TRAMPOLINE HIT OUR CADILLAC ESCALADE, DID $3,500 WORTH OF DAMAGE.
AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE NEED TO PREVENT.
YOU KNOW MY CARS ARE CLASSICS AND INSURANCE DON'T COVER EXACTLY THE VALUE OF CLASSIC CARS, AND WE WANT TO ABSOLUTELY PROTECT THEM. NOW, SOME OF THE POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES THAT WERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE I'M PROPOSING THIS CARPORT IS GOING TO BE, IS, IS NO LONGER THERE, MEANING THE OVERHEAD LINES ARE GONE BECAUSE FPL BURIED ALL THE LINES ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S NO CABLE, THERE'S NO FIBER OPTIC, THERE'S NO UTILITIES WHATSOEVER, NO WATER LINES, NOTHING. I'VE CALLED 811 WHEN I DID THE FENCE AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE DONE, INCLUDING SOME CEMENT PROJECTS, AND THERE ARE NO UTILITIES LEFT ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THERE WERE OVERHEAD LINES, BUT THOSE ARE ALL GONE SINCE FPL BURIED THE CABLES OR THEIR UTILITIES.
THERE ARE NEARBY RESIDENTS THAT HAVE MORE EGREGIOUS VARIANCES THAT WERE APPROVED.
ONE OF THEM'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I'M GOING TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE. SINCE THOSE SINCE THOSE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR VARIANCES AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR PROPERTY, ARE NOT HERE, THEN WE CAN'T BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR PROPERTY AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
OKAY. OKAY. EVEN IF THE AREA HAS OTHER VARIANCES THAT ARE SIMILAR OR MORE EGREGIOUS, LIKE CORRECT.
OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. SO I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN POINTS THAT I HAVE.
I DO HAVE, HOWEVER IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, I'VE GOT SEVERAL COPIES.
I HAVE A LIST AND A MAP OF SIGNATURES OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU GOT IT. OKAY. THAT BASICALLY HAS SIGNED OFF AND HAD NO ISSUES WITH IT.
AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD ANSWER THE DOOR. NOBODY THAT ANSWERED THE DOOR THAT WE TALKED TO HAD ANY ISSUE WITH IT WHATSOEVER, AND WE COVERED AS MANY AS WE COULD WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS THAT WAS THAT WAS IN IT, PLUS A FEW OF THEM THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF IT.
SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SHOW THAT OUR NEIGHBORS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO AND THEY'VE HAD NO ISSUE WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT AS A FINAL POINT.
AT THIS POINT, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE IF FOLKS MAY HAVE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD, FOR THE APPLICANT? I DID SO THE PROPERTIES, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE FOUR PROPERTIES AROUND YOUR PROPERTY HAVE ALL SIGNED ON THEIR ON THEIR SIGNED ON THIS LIST? YES. OKAY. THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT I CAN SEE FROM MY PROPERTY THAT HAS EXISTING VARIANCES HAVE SIGNED OFF AND THEY'RE ON THAT LIST.
ONE OF THEM IS IF YOU NEED THE ADDRESSES, I CAN GIVE THEM TO YOU.
ONE OF THEM IS 700 PEPPER STREET. ONE OF THEM IS 751 VEGA COURT.
AND THOSE TWO I CAN SEE FROM MY PROPERTY AND THE 1021 WHICH IS THE RESIDENCE DIRECTLY NEXT TO YOU, WHICH WOULD BE HE'S. HE'S ALSO SIGNED. HE'S SIGNED.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER IN WEEKS. WE'VE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR SEVERAL TIMES.
HER ADULT KIDS LIVE THERE, BUT THEY DON'T ANSWER THE DOOR.
IT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE STRANGE. STRANGE NEIGHBORS.
BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND US.
SO YOUR HIGHLIGHTED ONES HERE WITH GREEN DOTS ARE ONES THAT YOU SPOKE TO AND SIGNED.
YEAH. EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED ON THE MAP IN YELLOW IS, IS HAS BEEN TALKED TO AND SIGNED.
AND THEN I PUT SOME RED NOTES IN WHERE THERE WAS KNOWN RENTERS, VACANT LOTS OR VACANT PROPERTIES.
YOU GUYS TOOK A WALK? YEAH. WE HAD A GOLF CART.
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WE CHEATED. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY I MEAN, I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.IS THERE ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS? ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS? NOT ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO. EVERYBODY WAS SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO.
THEY MAKE COMMENTS. AND AND I ACTUALLY GOT TO MEET A COUPLE OF NEW CAR PEOPLE, WHICH WAS GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE CAR GUYS. BUT NOT ONE NEIGHBOR HAD AN OPPOSITION TO IT.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
IT WAS MENTIONED BY STAFF. MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A QUESTION FOR THEM, BUT THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT THERE WAS OTHER SUITABLE WAYS OF MAKING THE STRUCTURE OR CARPORT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ENCROACHED ON THE SETBACK IS IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS MORE NARROW TO THE POINT WHERE WITHIN THE 12 FOOT SETBACK, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIT THE CARS THAT I HAVE.
OKAY. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS, BUT I, I GO AROUND SOME SOME OF THE HOUSES IN, IN PALM BAY THAT'S GOT TEN CARS IN THE FRONT.
I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. YEAH. WE KEEP OUR, OUR DAILY DRIVERS IN THE FRONT.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR HOUSE PRISTINE NOW.
YES, WE HAVE A LARGE BACKYARD, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING AN IN-LAW QUARTERS IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN THAT AREA, IN THE BACKYARD. SO THAT KIND OF LEAVES ME NO OTHER SPACE.
AND I ALREADY HAVE THE PERMITTED A 22 FOOT BY 12 FOOT SHED THAT'S IN THE BACKYARD.
AND THIS IS SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND, AND, AND EASY TO ACCESS.
I JUST HAD ONE LAST QUESTION, IF YOU MAY. IS THIS PART.
I WOULDN'T MIND AT SOME POINT ENCLOSING IT AND, AND JUST MAKE IT MORE SECURE.
BUT I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY.
HOW MANY CLASSIC CARS ARE YOU, ARE YOU PUTTING UNDER THE, UNDER THE CARPORT.
RIGHT. IT'LL BE FOUR UNDER THE CARPORT. AND THEN I HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND WE, WE I GOT ONE CAR FOR SALE, BUT I JUST BOUGHT ANOTHER CAR TODAY.
SO SO WE GOT RID OF A CAR. WE BOUGHT A CAR. WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND MY ASKING, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE SIZES OF THE VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT UNDER HERE? THE SIZES, THE SIZE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL OLD MUSCLE CARS.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY 17 FOOT LONG BY ROUGHLY 7.5FT WIDE.
SO I CAN FIT FOUR CARS UNDER THE CARPORT OF THIS SIZE.
OKAY. HOW? SORRY. IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. HOW WIDE ARE YOU LOOKING TO MAKE YOUR CARPORT CURRENTLY? IT WOULD IT WOULD NEED TO BE WHAT I PROPOSED AND WHAT I TALKED TO THE THE METAL BUILDING GUY IS 17 FOOT.
YEAH. YES. OKAY. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD.
FOR THE APPLICANT. NO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU CAN SIT DOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME.
ALL RIGHT. I WILL NOW OPEN THIS ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM ANY OF THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION.
PLEASE COME FORWARD. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH THIS, BUT PRIMARILY I'M IN FAVOR BECAUSE I'M LANDOWNERS RIGHTS.
I'M IN. I LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ORDINANCES FOR A REASON.
RIGHT? BUT SO I GENERATE THE QUESTION OF HOW BIG IS THE OVERHANG GOING TO BE BY PUTTING HIS WATERSHED FROM THIS TO THE SWELL TO THE TO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? THAT WAS QUESTION NUMBER ONE. AND THEN QUESTION NUMBER TWO WAS HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT HE WAS ALSO HAS PLANS FOR A SHED THAT HE WANTS TO BRING ONTO THE PROPERTY ALSO.
SO WILL THESE TWO OUTBUILDINGS EXCEED WITH THIS AND THE NEW SHED THAT HE'S PROPOSING, WILL THAT EXCEED THE LIMITS FOR AUTHORIZED ON THE LOT FOR THE OUTBUILDINGS VERSUS THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE? BUT OVERALL, I'M IN FAVOR OF HIM USING HIS PROPERTY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR?
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YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD. DAVID MAHLUM, 1663 GEORGIA STREET, NORTHEAST NUMBER 700. AS A CLASSIC CAR COLLECTOR.I JUST SAY, LET'S HAVE THE MAN ENJOY HIS LIFE AND HAVE FOLLOW HIS HOBBIES RATHER THAN KILLING IT FOR HIM, YOU KNOW? IT GIVES HIM A LOT OF PAIN. I AM A MAJOR PROPERTY OWNER IN THE AREA.
IT'S A PRETTY NICE, CLEAN AREA. I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
OKAY. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION.
HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD FROM THE PUBLIC? YOU CAN SAY NO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. NOT REALLY.
I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD.
FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED A MOTION TO OPEN DISCUSSION.
IS THERE A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, MR. CHAIR? YES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 26-000 FOR CARPORT ADDITIONS.
SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? HEARING NONE.
OKAY, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE APPLICATION SAY AYE.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. NAY. OKAY. NAY. WHO WAS THE NAY? I'M SORRY, MR. NORRIS. MR. NORRIS. OKAY. THANK YOU.
OKAY. AND THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER CP26-00003. THE HOSPITAL EXPANSION.
IS APPROVED. SO YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY YOU'RE GOOD TO GO FROM OUR RECOMMENDATION, IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. THEY WILL GIVE THE FINAL DISPOSITION HERE TOMORROW NIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE A GOOD EVENING, SIR. YEAH. DON'T BUY ANY MORE CARS TONIGHT. RIGHT.
DON'T BUY ANY MORE CARS TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. CP2600003.
HOSPITAL EXPANSION. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF FIRST.
GOOD. OH I'M SORRY, I NEED TO ASK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONVERSATION.
I'M GOING TO NEED TO GET YOU A SIGN THAT YOU CAN WAVE AT A RIGHT, A RED CARD.
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING REGARDING THIS APPLICATION? NO HEARING. NONE. OKAY. NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING. ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE TWO APPLICATIONS LISTED CP26-00003 AS WELL AS CPC 2600001. BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS WILL BE HEARD SEPARATELY.
NOW AGAIN, ALTHOUGH THE APPLICATION WILL BE PRESENTED SEPARATELY AND DELIBERATED ON INDEPENDENTLY BY THE BOARD, THIS SLIDE AND THE NEXT ONE JUST CONTAIN INFORMATION COMMON TO BOTH APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT.
HOLMES REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER, INC., REPRESENTED BY MR. COLE OLIVER. WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE PARCEL SIZE IS 17.5 ACRES AND THE LOCATION IS NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD EAST AND WEST OF MEDIPLEX PARKWAY NORTHEAST.
FOR TONIGHT'S HEARING AND SUBSEQUENT HEARINGS, NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.
THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE PURSUANT TO THE CODE 172.025, THE BOARD SHALL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAY GRANT, DENY OR GRANT WITH CONDITIONS.
THAT'S THE WRONG ONE. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO THE FIRST APPLICATION IS CP 2603, WHICH WAS AGAIN SUBMITTED BY HOLMES REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER.
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PROPERTIES FROM COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC.SO THIS MAY GET A LITTLE COMPLICATED, SO I'LL NEED YOU TO PAY ATTENTION.
I DON'T HAVE A POINTER. BUT I'LL USE MY MOUSE.
SO FLANKED. THE PRIMARY PARCEL, WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO NIGHT, IS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE, AND IT'S FLANKED BY TWO PARCELS THAT ARE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE SOUTHERN PART OF BOTH PARCELS ON THE FRONTAGE OF MALABAR ROAD, BOTH FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR THERE TO THE NORTH ON BOTH PARCELS.
AND THAT IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PART OF THE PALM BAY HOSPITAL CAMPUS. AND IT'S DIVIDED BETWEEN THREE DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE CAMPUS, AS I MENTIONED, IS DESIGNATED PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC AND CONTAINS PRIMARILY ALL OF THE HOSPITAL'S FACILITIES.
BUT AGAIN, FLANKED TO THE EAST, THERE ARE FACILITIES THAT EXIST ON THIS CAMPUS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE FUTURE LAND USE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE TO CREATE A SINGLE, CONSISTENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ACROSS THE ENTIRE HOSPITAL CAMPUS.
ON THE SCREEN, BEFORE YOU YOU SEE THE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA OF WHICH STAFF REVIEWED AND YOU'LL BE USING TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT FOR RECOMMENDATION, AS WELL AS A LIST OF THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA WE ARE CONSIDERING ITEMS LIKE CITY BUDGET, LEVEL OF SERVICE, ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT, PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENCY, COMPATIBILITY, TRANSITION OF CHARACTER AND DENSITY AND INTENSITY.
I WON'T COVER ALL OF OUR REVIEWS THERE IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I WILL MENTION THAT THE THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS IDENTIFIED FOR HISTORIC, ARCHEOLOGICAL, OR NATURAL RESOURCES.
IT FACILITATES THE EXPANSION OF ESSENTIAL COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES SUPPORTING INSTITUTIONAL AND PUBLIC FACILITY USES, AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOSPITAL, CAMPUS AND SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
IT MAINTAINS COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES, PRESERVES THE EXISTING TRANSITION TO NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS THROUGH ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND SUPPORTS AN APPROPRIATE INSTITUTIONAL INTENSITY WITHOUT CREATING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
I'LL ALSO NOTE. THAT AS AS THE APPLICANT LOOKS TO PUT ONE CONSISTENT FUTURE LAND USE ON ALL SECTIONS OF THEIR CAMPUS, THAT THE TRANSITIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED RIGHT NOW WITH THE COMMERCIAL AND THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WILL ACTUALLY STILL BE MAINTAINED WITH THE PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC USE TO PROVIDE THAT BUFFERING TO THE LOW AND HIGH DENSITY USES TO THE NORTH.
I'M SORRY. I MUST STOP YOU THERE FOR A MOMENT. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SO RIGHT NOW, THE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS SET UP SO THAT YOU HAVE BUFFERING DESIGNATIONS, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS TO GO FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO SOMETHING OF A HIGHER DENSITY OR INTENSITY. SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, THE TRANSITIONS GO FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR HIGH DENSITY THERE TO THE WEST OF THE MAIN CAMPUS, ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL USE.
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APPLICATION GOING BLUE, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE TO THE NORTH, AND THEN THE TWO PIECES FLANKING THE MAIN HOSPITAL SITE WOULD ALL BE BLUE.OKAY. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY THAT THOSE TWO FLANKING PROPERTIES WERE GOING TO HOLD QUALITIES OF TWO DIFFERENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, WHICH I DIDN'T. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST. THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION.
THE EXISTING CONDITION IS THAT THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LAND USES, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, THREE AND DIFFERENT ZONING. SO WHEN YOU'RE APPLYING THE BULK AND DIMENSION STANDARDS AND OTHERS IT BECOMES DIFFICULT FOR A CONSOLIDATED SITE. OKAY. SO THE REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS THAT YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE REQUEST TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY AFTER YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE BOARD. I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR? YES WE DO. AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT COVER THAT.
IT WAS ALSO IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK.
WELL I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. NORMALLY WHEN.
SO BECAUSE I ALSO SEE THAT WE HAVE A HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT ON OUR AGENDA AS WELL.
SO AS THE STAFF INITIATED APPLICATION. SURE. LAST ON THE AGENDA.
SO MY I, I AGREE WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS QUESTION.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING INTO THESE PARCELS, OR IS THE HOSPITAL TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING INTO VERTICAL VERTICAL WAY? WHY ARE WE MESSING WITH THE LAND USE I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE ARE WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE BECAUSE AS I POINTED OUT, THE MAIN CAMPUS HERE THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE MAY BE HARD TO SEE, BUT THIS EASTERN PORTION OF THE CAMPUS, THEIR PARKING FACILITY IS THERE. THIS IS HOW THIS IS PART OF THEIR THEIR SITE, THEIR CAMPUS.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND. SO WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THEIR EXPANSION PLANS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS TO TRY TO HELP THEM GET TO A PLACE OF POTENTIAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
OKAY. AND SO YOU HAVE VARYING SETBACKS. DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
OTHER DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. DIFFERENCES IN HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
YOUR LOT COVERAGE. IT'S DIFFERENT FROM ZONING DISTRICT TO ZONING DISTRICT.
AND IT JUST HAS BEEN CUMBERSOME FOR THEM TO SO OUR EXPANSION IS MAKE ANY EXPANSION GOING OUT NECESSARILY? NOT NECESSARILY UP. IT COULD BE BOTH, BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT COVER IT.
OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. SURE.
IS IT ADEQUATE AS IT IS NOW OR WILL IT NEED UPDATING? THAT I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHILE THE APPLICANT IS SPEAKING.
I DON'T RECALL THAT WE HAD ANY SPECIFICS FROM UTILITIES OR PUBLIC WORKS WITH THE CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. YOU'LL LET US KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR IF YOU RECALL.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MAKING SURE IT DIDN'T FALL OFF. GOOD EVENING.
COLE OLIVER FOR FROM THE LOUNGE LAW FIRM ON BEHALF OF HEALTHFIRST.
IF YOU NEED AN ADDRESS AT 730 EAST STRAWBRIDGE AVENUE, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON THE REPORT.
THEY'VE BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
TO THE QUESTION ON PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IMPROVED, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.
THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH BUILDING DESIGN. NOW, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT STEP AFTER, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND REZONING CHANGE.
BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS ABOUT A $230 MILLION HOSPITAL EXPANSION PROJECT.
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FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT NOT ABOVE THE HEIGHT LIMITS THAT HAVE BEEN SET BY THE CODE.AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S STILL SOME DESIGN WORK GOING ON.
IF THEY DO HAVE TO OR CHOOSE TO TRY TO GO ABOVE THOSE THAT CURRENT HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR A VARIANCE REQUEST AND YOU KNOW, DEFEND THAT PROPOSITION. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND THE REZONING PROCESS ON THE, ON THE ANCILLARY PIECES TO THE SIDE? THERE'S A COUPLE OF FACTORS THAT RELATE TO THAT.
MY EYES ARE STARTING TO GO BAD HERE. FUTURE LAND USE.
THE EXISTING HOSPITAL ON THE EAST SIDE IS NON-CONFORMING.
SO IN ORDER FOR US TO DO ANY SORT OF PERMITTED IMPROVEMENT WORK THERE, WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR STAFF, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF HOW THAT HAPPENED.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT ENOUGH, BUT THE HOSPITAL'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO ONE OF THE ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION IS WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT UNDERLYING ISSUE.
THAT IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE PARKING FIELD AND THE NEW ENERGY PLANT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN HOW THE THE BUILDING COOLS ITSELF AND HAS ITS INDEPENDENT FACILITIES FOR BACKUP GENERATION IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A HURRICANE OR AN EMERGENCY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL STILL IN THE SITE PLANNING STAGE NOW AS THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT, BUT THERE'S NO ANTICIPATION OF BEING ADDITIONAL HOSPITAL FACILITIES PER SE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE SUPPORT FACILITIES FOR THE EXISTING HOSPITAL ITSELF.
TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS BEING ADDED IT'S RIGHT NOW AND AGAIN, THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE REDESIGN AS IT GOES THROUGH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE 59 NEW PATIENT ROOMS THAT WILL BE OPENED UP.
AND THAT WILL INCLUDE 12 NEW ICU BEDS, 17 INTERMEDIATE CARE, STEP DOWN FROM THE ICU BEDS, ANOTHER 30 MEDICAL SURGICAL ROOMS THAT WILL GO IN, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 30 THAT WILL BE SHELLED OUT AND BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER THE FUTURE NEEDS MIGHT BRING FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER THE NEXT COMING YEARS AS PALM BAY CONTINUES TO GROW AND EVOLVE.
YOU KNOW, AS HEALTHFIRST HAS BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME.
PALM BAY HAS CHANGED A LOT OVER THE YEARS SINCE THIS HOSPITAL WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.
AND SO IN ORDER TO KIND OF FUTURE PROOF A LITTLE BIT, THEY WANTED TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL ROOMS BUILT AND READY TO GO IF THE COMMUNITY'S MEDICAL NEEDS DEEM THAT THEY NEED TO BE THERE.
I PROBABLY MESS THAT WORD UP. SO APOLOGIES. SOME NEW ENDOSCOPY PROCEDURE ROOMS, NEW STERILE PROCESSING DEPARTMENTS, AND 42 NEW PRE-OP AND POST-OP BAYS. AS I SAID, WE'LL HAVE NEW PARKING SPACES AND THE NEW CENTRAL ENERGY PLANT, WHICH PROVIDES THE HVAC AND OTHER NEEDS OF THE NEW BUILD OUT, ALONG WITH THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE AT MED PLEX DRIVE AND MALABAR ROAD AND THE OTHER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN ALSO THE UPGRADES TO THE SEWER FORCE MAINS IN THAT AREA AS THEY'RE NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WORKING THAT OUT WITH THE ENGINEERS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE. WE'VE BEEN A LONG TIME PARTNER OF THE, OF THE CITY SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GET IT GOING.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A LONG JOURNEY. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THIS BOARD MAY HAVE, AND WE WOULD HOPE FOR YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT. OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS? HAVE THEY BEEN ADDRESSED? IF YOU. YES, SIR. THERE'S BEEN A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET.
THERE'S NO WETLANDS ON SITE. THERE'S NO ENDANGERED SPECIES.
NOTHING'S TURNED UP. IF THEY DO, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
THANK YOU. YEAH. MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE? EXPECTED CONSTRUCTION. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PROCESS OF GETTING THROUGH THESE HEARINGS AND THE FINAL SITE PLANS.
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YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S A PROCESS WITHIN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING FITS RIGHT.THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE MAP THAT WE SEE HERE, THAT REZONING TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC, YOU ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING YOUR AUXILIARY SERVICES, MAINTENANCE, ENGINEERING SUPPORT FACILITIES AND PARKING AND EXTRA PARKING FOR THE, FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITY.
BOTH THE HOSPITAL AND THE MEDICAL OFFICES. THIS IS THIS IS WHERE I GO FOR MEDICAL CARE.
AND SO I SUPPORT EXTRA PARKING OVER BY THE MEDICAL OFFICES.
THAT'S PRETTY BAD. JUST GOING TO TELL YOU. ALL RIGHT.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I GOT YOU SITTING RIGHT HERE IN MY ROOM ON THE RIGHT.
YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S THE HOSPITAL IS IN A IN A ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATED AREA.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO HOW THAT GOT THERE, BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE APPLICATION COMPLETELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL HAVE YOU HAVE A SEAT AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
OKAY. ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ALL RIGHT. ONE OF THESE HEARINGS WHERE NO ONE HAS SPOKEN.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
DOES THE BOARD WANT TO MAKE A MOTION BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR CONVERSATION, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CP26-0003 HOSPITAL EXPANSION HOMES.
REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD ON OUR REZONING APPLICATION? I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
OH. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? CAN YOU. SORRY. WE ARE STILL ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FROM PROFESSIONAL AND COMMERCIAL, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC. THIS APPLICATION IS ONLY FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE AND THAT'S TO THE PUBLIC AND SEMIPUBLIC TWO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC. YES. SO WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE WHAT THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE TO ARE LOOKING LIKE, OR IF THAT'S JUST PART OF THE HOSPITAL AS A WHOLE, THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
WELL, WE'RE USING THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT IS PRESENTED IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT TYPE OF OFFICE USES ARE NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THIS APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DO HAVE A LIST OF SUGGESTED USES UNDER THE PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE THAT GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE. THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT ONE? OKAY. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. GO FOR IT. SINCE I'M.
IT'S OUT OF LEFT FIELD SINCE I'M A LEFT FIELD GUY.
YEP. IN 2020, WE HAD MY DAUGHTER IN A, IN A HOSPITAL IN TOWN AND THEY WENT CRAZY WITH THE MASKS, CRAZY WITH THEM. THEY WERE CHASING US DOWN ABOUT MASKS.
COULD WE ADD A CAVEAT THAT THEY COULD NEVER REQUIRE THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO WEAR MASKS IN THESE FACILITIES BEFORE WE APPROVE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT THAT ON A I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT THAT ON A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE, THOUGH. JUST HAD TO ASK. I GET THE SENSE I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ASK.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ON THE SCOPE. I WOULD SAY THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONVERSATION? NO. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT PALM BAY HOSPITAL IS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO EXPAND. I ALSO AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF SOME SHELF SPACE.
SO ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF CP2600003 INDICATE BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO CPZ26-00001.
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INC., REPRESENTED BY COLE OLIVER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 17.85 ACRES FROM.PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL TO INSTITUTIONAL USE.
THE REQUESTED REZONING IS INTENDED TO ESTABLISH A SINGLE, CONSISTENT ZONING DISTRICT ACROSS THE EXISTING HOSPITAL CAMPUS AND ALIGNING THE ZONING WITH THE PROPOSED PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION APPLICATION YOU JUST HEARD IN THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. DESPITE OPERATING AS A SINGLE INTEGRATED MEDICAL CAMPUS, THE CENTRAL PORTION, AGAIN OF THE CAMPUS IS ZONED INSTITUTIONAL USE AND CONTAINS THE PRIMARY HOSPITAL FACILITIES.
THAT PORTION OF THE CAMPUS IS FLANKED BY HOSPITAL OWNED PROPERTY, ZONED OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, WHICH INCLUDE EXISTING HOSPITAL BUILDINGS AND PARKING AND SUPPORT FACILITIES TO THE EAST AND UNDEVELOPED LAND INTENDED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION TO THE WEST.
THE PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENT REPRESENTS A LOGICAL CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND WILL ESTABLISH A UNIFIED ZONING DESIGNATION ACROSS ESTABLISHED REGIONAL HEALTH HEALTH CARE FACILITIES.
BEFORE YOU YOU SEE THE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA AND SOME OF THE REQUIRED SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS FOR THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT'S JUSTIFICATION PROVIDES THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO INSTITUTIONAL USE DISTRICT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND REINFORCES THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS, WHERE USES ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ACTIVELY OPERATING, AT LEAST TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT'S NEED FOR JUSTIFICATION, AS SO STATED, ESTABLISHES A SINGLE ZONING DISTRICT ACROSS THE ENTIRE CAMPUS.
THERE ARE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS. ANTICIPATED INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED ON THE SITE AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT REMAINS SUBJECT TO CITY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT.
ONCE AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE TO REZONE THE NON-INSTITUTIONAL PORTIONS OF THE CAMPUS TO INSTITUTIONAL USE TO CREATE A SINGLE, CONSISTENT ZONING DESIGNATION ACROSS THE ENTIRE HOSPITAL CAMPUS.
REQUESTED ACTION IS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE QUESTION.
HAS ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO THIS ITEM OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING THIS APPLICATION? HEARING NONE. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE. OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY THE WHOLE THING AGAIN? THANK YOU. COLE. OLIVER STILL 730 EAST STRAWBRIDGE LOUNGE LAW FIRM REPRESENTING HEALTH FIRST.
BUT UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL I'LL BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
AND JUST SAY DITTO TO WHAT I PRESENTED AT THE FIRST ITEM.
THAT'S MY GUY RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAD A QUESTION.
SO YOU YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT ZONING NOW.
OKAY, GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AS IT GOES TOWARDS ZONING? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. DO ARE YOU REPRESENTING ALL LAND OWNING INTERESTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMPLEX?
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SOMETIMES THESE DOCTORS OWN PARTS OF THE BUILDINGS INDEPENDENTLY THAT THEY ARE RUNNING WITHIN ALL OF THE PROPERTY.THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS REZONING. HEARINGS.
YES. THAT'S ALL OWNED BY THE HEALTH FIRST ENTITIES.
WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
HEARING NONE. ALL OF THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. WE NEED A MOTION TO BEGIN CONVERSATION.
MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CPZ26-00001.
HOSPITAL EXPANSION HOMES, REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. YOU SAID THERE WERE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE COMING TO THE HOSPITAL EXPANSION. WHAT WERE THOSE? BECAUSE MALABAR GETS PRETTY ED UP SOMETIMES.
SO WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE PROJECT, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TRIPS GENERATED.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, INTERSECTION IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, WHAT IT IS.
THEY'LL HAVE TO BE, I THINK, A NEW SIGNAL PUT IN THERE AND SOME TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS.
I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT ONES BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S STILL BEING PINNED DOWN, BOTH WITH FDOT PUBLIC WORKS AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, BUT THAT'LL BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION WHEN IT COMES IN.
I HAD A GUY BLOW PAST ME ON THE DOUBLE YELLOWS TODAY ON MALABAR, AND I WAS LIKE, IT MIGHT BE COOL TO HAVE A LIGHT THERE, I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, PUTTING A SIGNAL IN A LIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MOST LIKELY THERE WILL BE THAT WILL BE SIGNALIZED. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. ALL RIGHTY. LET'S BRING IT TO A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING I.
I. ALL OPPOSED? NONE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN.
HAVE A GOOD ONE. DON'T FORGET MY PARKING. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO CP25-00006.
BULK PLANT. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF.
MR. CHAIR. DID YOU WANT TO PULL AS FAR AS EX PARTE? YES, OF COURSE I DO. DID ANYBODY HAVE A CONVERSATION EX PARTE ABOUT THIS ITEM BEFORE WE HEAR FROM STAFF? HEARING NONE. LET'S DO THIS THING. THE NEXT APPLICATION. WELL, I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE APPLICATIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
MR. DAVID MUALEM AND THOSE THREE APPLICATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
ALL RELATE TO ONE PARCEL SHOWN HERE ON THE SLIDE.
AND ALTHOUGH EACH APPLICATION WILL BE PRESENTED SEPARATELY AND DELIBERATED ON INDEPENDENTLY BY THE BOARD, THIS SLIDE AND THE NEXT ONE CONTAIN INFORMATION COMMON TO ALL THREE APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT'S NAME.
MR. DAVID MUALIM THE LOCATION, WHICH IS A VACANT PARCEL AT 1130 WICKHAM DRIVE, SOUTHWEST AND THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL IS 5.09 ACRES. AS CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING WAS REQUIRED FOR ALL THREE APPLICATIONS, AND THAT WAS HELD IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR. NOTIFICATIONS INCLUDING ADVERTISEMENTS, MAILINGS AND POSTED NOTICES, WERE DONE PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND YOUR ACTION IS REQUIRED TONIGHT BECAUSE THE CODE DICTATES THAT YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE REVIEW CRITERIA ABOUT THE SUBJECT APPLICATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A. THE FIRST ONE. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE SITE'S EXISTING LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
WHEREAS THE REQUESTED INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION WOULD INTRODUCE A BROADER RANGE OF HIGHER INTENSITY USES ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND SEMIPUBLIC LAND USE CATEGORIES. THE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA AND SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE APPLICATION ARE LISTED BEFORE YOU AND PER THE FLORIDA STATUTES.WE ARE VERY HIGHLY CONSIDERING COMPATIBILITY AND PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES, COMPATIBILITY MEANS A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND USES OR CONDITIONS CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME, SUCH THAT NO USE OR CONDITION IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, BY ANOTHER USE OR CONDITION. USING THE REVIEW CRITERIA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST DOES DIMINISH COMPATIBILITY AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT.
A FUTURE LAND USE TO THE PARCEL IS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE.
TO. TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT.
THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE POTENTIAL LAND USE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH.
INCREASING THIS PARCEL TO A LAND. USE OF INCREASED INTENSITY.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT ADOPTED LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR.
TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES CAN BE MAINTAINED.
THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ALREADY PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES IN THE AREA, AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT AN INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION IS NECESSARY TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT.
THE REQUEST DOES NOT FURTHER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A WHOLE.
WHILE THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN'S INTENT TO ENCOURAGE THE EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIAL USES. THE PROPOSAL DOES INTRODUCE A HIGHER INTENSITY LAND USE ADJACENT AGAIN TO RESIDENTIAL USES, AND REMOVES THE APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL TRANSITION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WOULD ESSENTIALLY CREATE A DONUT HOLE OF INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE, SURROUNDED COMPLETELY BY THREE DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
TONIGHT, STAFF IS ASKING THAT THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, EITHER APPROVAL OR DENIAL. UPON RECEIVING THAT RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF.
WHAT ARE THE PROPERTIES GOING TO BE USED FOR? PROPANE DISPENSARY. IS THAT ALL THREE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
ALL THREE PROPERTIES. THERE'S THREE PROPERTIES, CORRECT? NO, SIR. THERE'S ONLY ONE PARCEL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
GOTCHA. OKAY. THE ONE INDICATED WITH THE HASH MARK.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. DOES HIS USE? DOES HIS PROPOSED USE IN NEED TO HAVE THIS COMP PLAN UPDATED? HIS PROPOSED USE HAS TO HAVE THIS UPDATE TO THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S NOT A PERMITTED UNDER A COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE. WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE PROPOSED USE THE ACTUAL EXACT PROPOSED USE.
WE ARE CONTEMPLATING THE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF PRESENTING ALL THIS INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME TO COVER THREE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW OR THE PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND SO YOU'RE AT KIND OF A HIGHER LEVEL THAN THAN THE SITE SPECIFICS.
THERE ARE TWO SUBSEQUENT APPLICATIONS THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THE SAME PROPERTY,
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BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THE RECORD CLEAN.AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW. OKAY. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF I WANTED TO BUILD OR IF ANYBODY WANTED TO BUILD A PROPANE DISPENSARY IN A COMMERCIAL, CAN COMMERCIAL ZONING, CAN THAT BE DONE? IT IS PROHIBITED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF? MR. CHAIR? YEAH. ONE SECOND. I LOST IT HERE. SO THE THE CITY THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOAL WAS EVENTUALLY TO. AND STILL CURRENT GOAL FROM WHAT I IMAGINE IS STILL TO TURN THE COMPOUND INTO AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
WOULD I BE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT? THIS. THE CITY COUNCIL? YES. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL. OKAY. IN THE FUTURE.
WAS ANY OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH STAFF AMONGST OTHER STAFF OR WITH, WITH CITY COUNCIL? HAS IT EVER CAME UP THAT THE COMPOUND MAY OR MAY NOT BECOME RESIDENTIAL AREA OR EXCUSE ME, INDUSTRIAL AREA? I HAVEN'T HAD ANY DIRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT THAT.
I, I AM AWARE OF. PROPOSALS THAT CONTEMPLATE THAT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
THE SPECIFIC SITE THAT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ITS APPROPRIATENESS WITH ZONING ADJACENT.
SO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS THAT CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE COMPOUND.
AND ARE THOSE LOTS THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN PLOTTED DEVELOPABLE.
CAN THEY BE BUILT OUT TO HAVE A RESIDENCE. SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU.
THE LOW DENSITY AND THE SEMI PUBLIC ARE THE LOTS ALL DEVELOPABLE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE ON A SITE BY SITE BASIS.
POTENTIALLY. YES. AND THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS CONTEMPLATED IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
DO YOU WHAT IS IT? CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN? WHAT IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDING? STAFF ONLY OFFERED AN ANALYSIS OR AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE.
WHAT HAS BEEN THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF IT? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
SO IN MY PRESENTATION, I COVERED THE REVIEW CRITERIA.
THAT IS CONTEMPLATED FOR A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
AND THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL HAVE A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE EFFECT ON THE CITY'S BUDGET OR THE ECONOMY OF THE CITY. STAFF'S ANALYSIS STATED THAT THE. AND I WON'T READ READ THEM ALL ENTIRELY.
IT COULD RUN VERY LONG. IT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
IF WE START ON PAGE TWO, ALL OF STAFF'S RESPONSES IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
THANK YOU. JUST THE SUMMARY IS FINE. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THE FULL REPORT JUST TO REFRESH, REFLECT, REFRESH OUR MEMORIES. OKAY, SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT REQUIRES
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I'M SORRY. LET ME GO BACK TO MY PRESENTATION NOTES BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OF A SUMMARY.SO I EXPLAINED TO YOU THE DEFINITION FOR COMPATIBILITY AS IT RELATES TO THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO USE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE.
SO IN THE ANALYSIS WE LOOKED AT COMPATIBILITY, MEANING THAT IT'S A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND USES OR CONDITIONS CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME, WITHOUT UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTING DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ANY OTHER USES. STAFF FOUND THAT THE REQUEST DOES DIMINISH COMPATIBILITY AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AS SEEN ON THIS MAP AND PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC TO ITS EAST AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO ITS WEST.
STAFF FOUND THAT THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY IS AN APPROPRIATE FUTURE LAND USE, PROVIDING TRANSITION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE AND THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE.
WHEREAS, THE REQUESTED INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WOULD INTRODUCE A BROADER RANGE OF HIGHER INTENSITY USES ADJACENT TO. BOTH COMMERCIAL, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC. AGAIN, NOT TO OVERSELL THE POINT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THE SECTION HIGHLIGHTED IS THE ONLY SECTION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR A CHANGE TO INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
STAFF FINDS THAT THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
GOTCHA. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
JUST MY KNOWLEDGE, THE THE TWO SUBSEQUENT AGENDA ITEMS. DO THOSE HINGE ON THE ULTIMATE APPROVAL OF THIS SECTION? LIKE LET'S SAY WE DENY THIS FIRST ONE. DOES THAT MAKE THE NEXT TWO POINTLESS BECAUSE YOUR ADVISORY.
YOU WOULD YOU YOU MUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON ALL THREE.
AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL.
CITY ATTORNEY. MISTER CHAIR, IF I MAY. THAT'S ACCURATE.
WE WOULD WANT YOU, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND A DENIAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, ALTHOUGH THE OTHER TWO APPLICATIONS WOULD DEPEND UPON COULD NOT GO FORWARD WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE WOULD STILL RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF MAKING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION SO THAT PROCEDURALLY, WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
TO THE LEFT OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IN BETWEEN THE LOW DENSITY, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
IS THAT A CANAL? IS THAT A CANAL? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
WELL LET ME. I'M LOOKING AT A MAP ON HERE ON GOOGLE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A CANAL, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO VERIFY.
NO. RIGHT IN BETWEEN. SO YOU GOT COMMERCIAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE STRIP THAT'S NOT DESIGNATED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. IS THAT A CANAL? I WISH WE HAD. OKAY. SO THIS IS A BETTER MAP.
OF THE AREA. YEAH. I CAN CLEARLY SEE THE THE THE AREA BELOW IT IS A CANAL HIGH POWER ELECTRICAL TRANSMISSION. YEAH. I DO NOT KNOW ITS POWER.
OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S CANAL POWER LINES MEAN IT'S WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THE TRAILS.
OKAY. WHATEVER IT IS, IT DOESN'T HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
FOR THE RECORD, I AM JIM MCKNIGHT AND I RESIDE IN PORT ORANGE.
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HOWEVER, I WANT TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT A CARPETBAGGER.I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES. YES, WE ARE HERE FOR A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, OTHER THINGS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'LL FOCUS ON THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THAT WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UNDER THE I MS SYSTEM THAT THE CITY USES ON JUNE 4TH, TWO MONTHS AGO. IT SAID THAT AND THIS WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING AT THE TIME.
BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION, THERE HAD TO BE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE COMP PLAN AS WELL.
I WON'T READ IT ALL UP ON THAT. DEVELOPED DEVELOPED BY EPA, BROWNFIELD TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND COORDINATION WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL OUTLINES PLANS TO REDEVELOP AN AREA IN THE SOUTHWEST OF THE CITY, WHICH INCLUDES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT FOR THE SITE IS PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE ZONING DESIGNATION.
WE HAVE USED THAT AS A BASIS FOR OUR APPLICATION.
IT WAS IN DISCUSSION MODE. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE WE FINALLY GOT HERE, BUT IT WAS IN DISCUSSION MODE AT THAT TIME BEFORE WE.
WE ACTUALLY GOT OUR APPLICATION COMPLETELY IN A REPORT WAS DONE.
AND I WANT TO ANSWER MR. CATALANO'S QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION IS IF YOU LOOK ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL YOU WILL NOTICE THAT IT IS NOT JUST A CANAL.
THAT IS ALSO WHERE IT'S INTENDED THAT THE EXTENSION OF THE HERITAGE PARKWAY WILL GO ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE CANAL. OKAY. I DON'T THINK ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN SECURED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT'S THE PLAN THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
IT ALSO STATES IN THE STAFF REPORT FROM THIS ON THIS ITEM, IT SAYS SO OVER THE LONG TERM, THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN THE ACTUAL REPORT ITSELF.
IF I CAN, I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU TO DEATH, BUT JUST READ YOU ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH.
NEW INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD GENERATE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY, AS WELL AS EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS, REDUCING UNEMPLOYMENT. THE AVAILABILITY OF NEW INDUSTRIAL SPACE MAY ALSO BRING DIVERSITY IN THE TYPES OF INDUSTRIAL JOBS THAT ARE NOT YET PRESENT IN THE CITY. MY BELIEF IS THE COMMERCIAL HERE IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S TOO FAR REMOVED FROM WHERE THE SERVICES REALLY NEED TO BE.
INDUSTRIAL IS AN END POINT USER AND THEREFORE I THINK INDUSTRIAL IN THIS AREA.
AND FROM WHAT I'VE READ IN THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH BY THE CITY, AT LEAST IN THE CONCEPTUAL STAGE, IS THIS IS AN AREA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE GO TO INDUSTRY? YES. PROBABLY LIGHT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HEAVY INDUSTRY HERE.
SO IN FOCUSING ON THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS ALL WE'RE DOING AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH NOT ONLY THE COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES OF THE CITY, WHICH THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, TO GET AWAY FROM EXCESSIVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. OKAY. THAT THERE MAY BE TOO MUCH OF THE LOOK AT HIGH END COMMERCIAL.
SO I THINK THERE'S APPROPRIATE BUFFERING HERE FROM THE.
YEAH. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. IT COULD BE DEVELOPED. THERE'S NO WAY. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IT COULDN'T BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS. BUT WELL YOU KNOW, I'VE OWNED PROPERTY IN PLACES WHERE WE WENT IN TO DEVELOP IT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE SCRUB JAYS OR WHATEVER.
AND WE ENDED UP EITHER HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, SELL IT FOR MITIGATION OR WHATEVER.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE CHARACTER OF THAT PROPERTY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THERE'S AN EXISTING BUFFER AND A PLAN THAT IF YOU START WITH THE INDUSTRIAL, IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH WHAT IS A BIG PROBLEM, AND THAT'S TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE COMPOUND AREA.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO EQUATE IT TO ROCKLEDGE.
I JUST SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER THERE. WE PUT INDUSTRIAL IN PLACE, OKAY.
THERE WAS NOTHING MUCH THERE. WE HAD ONE BIG DECENT USER.
BUT OVER THE YEARS WE'VE ADDED THEY'VE ADDED USER AFTER USER AND HAVE SOME PRETTY BIG USERS,
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BUT ALSO SOME SMALLER USERS. IT WASN'T ALL ZONED INDUSTRIAL AT ONE TIME.MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF IT WAS, BUT IT EVOLVED OVER TIME AND GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT, NEW INDUSTRY TO COME IN, NEW JOBS, SUPPORTIVE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR AREA.
SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW WHAT WE THINK THE CITY COUNCIL IS TRYING TO DO WITH THIS AREA, AND THAT'S TO TURN IT INTO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT WILL HELP HOPEFULLY SOLVE SOME OTHER PROBLEMS THAT EXIST IN THIS AREA.
AND THEY'VE THEY'VE DONE THE REPORT IN EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA HAS DONE THE REPORT.
AND I REALIZE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE COMP PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S A REFLECTION OF THE STRATEGY OF THE CITY, AT LEAST WHAT I AM READING, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO IN THIS DIRECTION.
AND YES, IT'S ONLY FIVE ACRES. IT'S NOT THE TOTAL AREA, BUT MAYBE IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOTAL AREA. SO I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR IT.
ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE END USE OF THE PROPANE? WAS IT THE END USE GOING TO BE FOR THESE FOR FOR THE FIVE ACRES.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WHEN WE GET TO THE REZONING.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT COMP PLAN CHANGE. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT A TURN. OKAY.
SURE. SORRY. NO WORRIES, I CAN WAIT. I'M A PATIENT MAN.
ANY QUESTIONS GERMANE TO THE COMP PLAN? CHANGE FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR, IF I MIGHT, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT HE READ FROM? SURE. WHAT PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT DID YOU READ FROM? I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S ACTUALLY THE ZONING. IT'S THE ZONING.
WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING ME ARE ACTUALLY COMMENTS AND NOT THE STAFF REPORT.
WHAT HE READ TO YOU WAS NOT FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT PERTAINING TO THE COMP PLAN APPLICATION? ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CHAIR. WHERE DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN? WHERE DID I HEAR ABOUT IT? YES. IT'S RIGHT IN THERE.
STAFF COMMENTS IN THERE. I HAVE A COPY OF PART OF IT RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU DID NOT MAKE UP THE COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN? CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND THERE'S I THINK IT WAS APRIL OF LAST YEAR THAT THEY FINISHED AND SENT THE REPORT TO COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON IT SINCE.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE DO SO BY COMING FORWARD, SIR. COME FORWARD.
DAVID MCCALLUM, 1663 GEORGIA STREET, NORTHEAST, SUITE 700.
IF I MAY APPROACH THE. YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ME.
I'LL PASS IT DOWN. IF YOU JUST GIVE IT TO ME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO SHARE.
ONE MORE OF THOSE. DO YOU NEED ONE? HE GAVE ME MINE.
I'VE BEEN OVER HERE FOR IN PALM BAY SINCE A LONG TIME AGO.
AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE CHANGED.
WE STARTED THIS ON TWO YEARS AGO, AND, YOU KNOW, NOW WE ARE HAVING A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION.
I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THESE BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND MORE THAN THE ADMINISTRATION, SO THEY DON'T REMEMBER. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF STUDIES ON THE COMPOUND.
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THE CITY ACTUALLY GOT APPROVAL. THEY'RE PLANNING ON THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.THEY HAVE EXPENDED A LOT OF MONEY. THEY HAVE INVITED ME AND ASKED ME.
I HAVE 98 ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF BOMBARDIER AND WINGHAM TO.
THEY ASKED ME TO LET THE CITY ADMINISTRATIVELY CHANGE IT TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH.
THE CITY IS ALREADY GOING FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITH A PARCEL JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS SUBJECT, THAT THEY ARE DOING A HORSE TRADE WITH THE BOMBARDIER.
THEY GIVING THEM A PARCEL THAT THEY HAVE NORTH OF BOMBARDIER, AND THEY'RE GETTING THAT PARCEL.
THEY HAVE ALREADY PLANS FOR THREE PHASE OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO CREATE NEW EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
THE EDC IS HAVING SEVERAL IN THE CAPE. YOU KNOW THEY HAVE ARE ALREADY USERS FOR THAT REASON.
THE UTILITIES PALM BAY UTILITIES ALREADY HAVE PLANS, AND THEY'RE BRINGING THE SEWER TO THE INTERSECTION OF THE BOMBARDIER AND WINGHAM ROAD FOR THAT PURPOSE SO THEY CAN BUILD THESE FACILITIES.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS ZONING. THAT'S TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO THAT WOULD BE PARALLEL WITH WHAT ALREADY WE HAVE AT BOMBARDIER MOTOR CORPORATION, WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE EAST AND THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH USED TO BE BELONGED TO ME, NOT THE CITY OWNS IT.
MORE LIKELY THEY'RE GOING TO GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE PARKWAY IS IN THAT PAMPHLET THAT I GAVE YOU IS EITHER GOING TO BE TO THE EAST OR GOING TO BE TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT.
THEY MIGHT EVEN HAVE TO TAKE SOME PARTS OF THIS, BUT THAT'S THE PARKWAY.
I OWN 1600 PARCELS IN THE COMPOUND, AND I'M WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKING THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
AND ONE OF OUR BIGGEST OBSTACLE HAS BEEN THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS OPEN TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE NORTH, AND THE MISSING PARTS OVER THERE JUST FOR THE HURRICANE EVACUATION PURPOSES AND SAFETY.
WE NEED TO GET THIS BELTWAY MOVING. THERE IS NO BUDGET ON IT.
SO WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WE ARE WORKING ON THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO BE USING A TOLL TOLL ROAD TO MAKING THIS HAPPEN, TO BRING IN THE FUNDING AND PUTTING THE MISSING SECTIONS.
SO ALSO TO THE REST OF THE SUBJECT IS HIGH POWER LINE ELECTRICAL, AND THAT'S A PART OF THE ONE OF THE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR THE PARKWAY. SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE THE ROAD, THE EXISTING ROAD TO THE EAST, OR IT'S GOING TO BE THAT POWER LINE AND CANAL AREA.
SO THAT'S WHERE PARKWAY IS GOING TO GO THROUGH.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE BEST, HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS SUBJECT IS GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL.
I THOUGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THIS FIVE ACRES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THE APPLICANT. THE PROPOSED USE IS ONLY FOR TWO ACRES, SO THE THREE ACRES OF THAT WOULD BE REMAINING FOR ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. I'M WAITING FOR THE UTILITIES TO COME.
ALL LIKE TO EXPAND IT TO ALL OF MY 98 ACRES AND THAT HOPEFULLY ONE DAY IT WOULD BE THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THAT SECTION OF THE PALM BAY TO SERVICE, AND WE ARE PLANNING TO WANTING TO MAKE IT THE REST OF THE COMPOUND INTO MORE LIKE A VIERA.
SO ALL THE LAWS WOULD BE CITY WATER, CITY SEWER, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, HIGHER END PRODUCT THAN THE REST. AND THE THE SAVIOR WOULD BE THE BELTWAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE CLEAN AND CRISP.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NEW ENTRANCE TO THE PLACE.
SO I DIDN'T WANT ALL OF THE LAND TO BE INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE WHEN A PUBLIX GO OVER THERE, THEY WOULD BE NEEDING COMMERCIAL IF IT'S FAST FOOD GOING THIS AND THAT. SO I, I THINK THE STAFF KNEW, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T REMEMBER SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE.
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JOHN. GIANCARLO. YOU KNOW SHE'S NO LONGER WITH THE CITY.THE I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
YES. SO I RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THIS. THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CITY PLANS IS.
AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING FROM ONE END TO GETTING THIS ACCOMPLISHED FROM ONE END.
THE SUGGESTION YOU TO HOW THIS IS A HOLE IN THE DONUT, BUT IS A IS A PART OF A BIGGER PLAN.
SO THIS THIS IS A HOLE IN THE DONUT. THANK YOU SIR.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THIS HANDOUT I APPRECIATE IT.
ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OF THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PLAN, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
YES, SIR. YEAH. MY NAME IS DAWN. I'LL COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
SORRY, I PUT MY PAPER UP THERE ALREADY. MY NAME IS DAWN, AND I GUESS THIS MATTERS.
I LIVE HERE FOR 27 YEARS. I ALSO LIVE AT 222 CAMERON AVENUE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.
I ALSO LIVE IN 1534 BAFFLE STREET, WHICH IS A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM THAT THING.
I LIVE OFF THE GRID. I LIKE THAT WAY AND THAT'S THE WAY I LIVE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY IS AND THIS I JUST GOT AND HERE, I'LL READ THIS.
OKAY. SEVERE WILDLIFE WILDFIRE RESCUE. THE COMPOUND IS PRONE TO LARGE, FREQUENT BRUSH FIRES, INCLUDING RECENT SUSPECTED ARSON INCIDENTS. AND THAT WAS A GUY ON, A FOUR WHEEL VEHICLE WHO WENT DOWN THERE WITH FLARE GUNS.
AND THEY SHOT THE PLACE UP THERE. THE GUY WHO LIVES DOWN THERE ALSO LIKE ME, AND HE ALMOST BURNED TO DEATH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY JUST USED IT LIKE THAT. AND HIS NAME IS SCRAPPER JOE, AND HE'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
OKAY. HE GOT LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE. HE HAD THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY NARROW DIRT ROADS THAT CANNOT ADEQUATELY SUPPORT LARGE INDUSTRIAL VEHICLES OR RAPID EMERGENCY RESPONSES. ZONING ISSUES. THE STAFF WARNED AGAINST CREATING AN ISOLATED HAZARDOUS INDUSTRIAL BLOCK IN THAT AREA.
ANOTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IN 20FT AND JUST BY MY PIECE OF LAND, LET'S SAY SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN I GOT IT, I HAD TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO GET IT. OKAY? BECAUSE THIS GUY IN NEW YORK WHO OWNED IT AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO SELL IT, THEN HE WANTED TO SELL IT. THEN THE REAL ESTATE GUY SAYS, WELL, WE GOT TO CONTACT THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK.
AND LIKE, JUST ON MY BLOCK ALONE, IT'S TEN PROPERTIES, ALL WOULD RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, LIKE AT THAT FIVE ACRE PIECE AT ONE AT 80 BY 120 PIECES, ARE THEY PULLING PUBLIC DOMAIN TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE SELL THAT LAND TO THEM, OR IS THAT PALM BAY LAND AND PALM BAY SELLING IT TO THE REAL ESTATE AGENT OR WHOEVER? AND THEN HOW COME IT'S NOT A REFERENDUM? SEE, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE LAND, SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
BUT SHOULDN'T THAT BE A REFERENDUM FOR PALM BAY? IN TWO YEARS? WE VOTE WHETHER WE WANT TO GIVE THAT LAND TO TO THE REAL ESTATE MAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANOTHER THING IS PROPANE. OKAY, SO WE SAY PROPANE IS SAFE.
WELL, IS ANYBODY GOING TO PALESTINE, PENNSYLVANIA? AND SEE WHEN THAT TRAIN CRASHED, THAT SAFE THING, THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE DYING FROM CANCER BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THAT PLACE.
WE SAY THE TITANIC IS SAFE. IT HIT AN ICEBERG AND IT WENT DOWN.
THAT'S HOW SAFE THAT WAS. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO PROPANE DOWN THAT PLACE IS NOT SAFE. NOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PIECE OF LAND, THE BACK PART OF IT, NOT WINGHAM, THE BACK PART OF IT. I KNOW THAT LAND.
OKAY. THE BACK PART OF IT, THAT'S A CANAL THAT GETS WATER OUT OF PALM BAY, THAT THE END OF THAT CANAL GOES INTO THIS BIG, HUGE PLACE, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A PLACE THAT MAKES, LIKE, SODAS, I'M SURE.
HAVE YOU EVER GONE DOWN THERE? YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE PLACE. THEY JUST COME IN VERY. YOU KNOW, I SEE THEM ONCE IN A WHILE. BUT THIS HUGE PLACE DOWN THERE WHERE ALL THAT WATER ON THAT CANAL IS COMING FROM ALL OVER PALM BAY, THAT'S RUSHING DOWN THERE, AND IT GOES INTO A THING, AND IT'S AT THE VERY END.
IF ANYBODY KNOWS THE PORT MALABAR GUN CLUB, IT'S THE END OF A ROAD.
THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, WHERE THE POLICE DO THEIR SHOOTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I ALSO BELONG TO THE GUN CLUB, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT WATER GOES. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIVE ACRE PIECE OF LAND, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, LET'S SAY, 25 PEOPLE WORKING THERE, MAYBE MORE, HAVE A FLUSHING TOILETS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WATER DOWN THERE. THERE'S NOTHING DOWN THERE.
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THEY DON'T HAVE WATER. THEY'RE HAVING WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS.THERE'S NO CITY WATER DOWN THERE. IT'S PALM BAY GOING TO FLOOD PUT IN CITY WATER FROM ALL THE WAY FROM, LET'S SAY, DEGROOT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THIS PLACE IS.
BECAUSE HOW WAS HE GOING TO DO IT? YOU GOT LET'S SAY 50 PEOPLE A DAY FLUSHING 5 OR 6 TOILETS.
LET'S SAY THEY MINIMIZE YOU FIVE FLUSHES A DAY.
WHERE IS THAT ALL THAT WASTE GOING? IS IT GOING TO GO INTO THAT CANAL, THAT WHICH THAT'S TAKING ALL THE WATER OUT OF PALM BAY? HOW ABOUT THE WATER FOR THESE PEOPLE TO DRINK? WHERE ARE WE GETTING THAT WATER FROM? IT'S GOING TO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TELLING ME NOT TO EVEN USE WATER FOR MY LAWN OR MY, MY 222 PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE AIN'T ENOUGH WATER.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND GIVE ALL FIVE ACRES OF PEOPLE THERE.
WE HAVE 200 PEOPLE DOWN THERE. OR IS IT GOING TO BE, LET'S SAY, A MASSIVE PLACE WHERE WALMART COMES IN WITH A SEMI TRUCK AND FILLS UP 500 OF THEIR THINGS, AND THEY GO BACK TO THEIR STORE AND THEY SELL THEM THERE.
AND IF ANYBODY KNOWS IT DOWN THERE, I'M SURE YOU COULD ASK THE POLICE OFFICER.
HE'S BEEN DOWN THERE. THOSE ROADS ARE NO GOOD.
EVEN THE SIDDHU PLACE OR THE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE PLACE, IF YOU EVER SEE THEM, THEY ONLY HAVE SMALL LITTLE TRUCKS THAT BRING IN A COUPLE OF SEMIS, FOUR WHEEL DRIVES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY HARDLY EVEN USE THE PLACE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? EXCEPT FOR WHAT? THEY GOT A LAKE BACK THERE AND THEY GOT JET SKIS.
I THINK THEY BUILD JETS. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WRAP YOUR COMMENTS UP.
OH. I'M SORRY. OKAY. YOU SAID THAT THREE MINUTE THING.
YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY, BUT. BUT THAT'S THE THING I WANT TO KNOW.
AND I KNOW IT HAS ENOUGH TROUBLE SUPPORTING ME BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY REGULAR HOUSE TO TAKE SHOWERS AND GET WATER AND TO GET MY BATTERIES GOING, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE WILDLIFE.
YOU PEOPLE LIKE GREEN AND YOU LIKE WILDLIFE. GO DOWN THERE AND THERE'S DEER, EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A THERE'S A FLORIDA PANTHERS DOWN THERE.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE HOCKEY TEAM, THE FLORIDA PANTHERS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I WANT TO SEE THE CITY'S PLAN OF TRYING TO BRING THE INDUSTRIAL OUT TO THE COMPOUND.
TRYING TO GET THE WATER, THE SEWER, ALL THAT HAS TO COME BE START COMING IN THERE.
BUT NONE, NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL SOMEBODY STARTS.
BUT BOMBARDIER STARTED. THEY BROUGHT IN, THEY BROUGHT IN WATER MAIN TO BOMBARDIER.
SO AT LEAST THAT'S A START COMING DOWN IN FOR THAT SYSTEM.
BUT THE REASON WHY I'M AGAINST THIS HAPPENING IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS.
BUT THE FIRST ONE IS BECAUSE THE BOARD ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT CHANGING OF THE COMP PLAN, BECAUSE THEY THE PERSON NEEDED SOMETHING THAT'S COMING DOWN LINE.
AND THE THIRD STEP IS YOU CAN'T GET IT OUT BECAUSE SOMEBODY STARTED SOMETHING.
I'M ALWAYS AGAINST IT WHEN WE START SAYING, WHY DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE AIMS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PERSON OWNS THE LAND AND IT IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
WHEN THEY ASK THE REASON, CAN HE DO THIS WITH THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ZONING? THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT MODIFYING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOW.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING IT. YOU ONLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MODIFYING THE COMP PLAN.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I WANT TO VOTE NO ON THIS, SO WE CAN GET THE FULL DISCUSSION OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY ASKED, WELL, HAS THE STAFF BEEN TALKING WITH THE COUNCIL? WITH COUNCIL? YES THEY HAVE. IN FACT, IT'S EVEN BEEN AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN YOU CAN'T GET THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGIC PLAN? ALL OF THAT IS HAPPENING. SO I'M I WANT TO SEE THIS.
I WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. AND I WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
BUT I'M I DON'T WANT TO SEE NON PROGRESSIVE GROWTH OUT THERE.
I THINK THERE'S THREE THINGS I WANT TO ADDRESS WITH THIS ONE. WHERE'S THE WATER COME FROM.
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WHERE'S THE ELECTRICITY COME FROM. WHERE'S THE SECURITY OF THIS HIGHLY HAZARDOUS SITUATION.WHERE IS THE SECURITY THERE. AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION IS IF YOU CAN GET MY BOARD TO ANSWER IT SOMEHOW, IS WHAT IMPACT WILL THIS MODIFICATION OF THESE FIVE ACRES HAVE ON THE CITY'S TOTAL COMPOUND STRATEGIC PLAN? RIGHT. I WANT TO SEE THE GROWTH. I WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A PLANNED ATTACK ON IT.
AND YOU CAN'T MAKE AN HONEST DECISION IF YOU DON'T GET THE FULL STORY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. YES, MA'AM.
MY NAME IS DENISE BILLETS, AND I LIVE AT 222 CAVAN AVENUE SOUTHEAST, AND I ALSO OWN PART OF THE PROPERTY AT 1534 BAFFLE STREET. AND I ALL MY REASONS TO BE UP HERE ARE PURELY SELFISH.
SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT ALREADY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY PERSONAL REASONS IS THAT WE USE OUR SMALL LOT 80 BY 125 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ABOUT ONE LONG STREET, AND WE'RE ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE.
WE USE IT PURELY AS OUR OWN PRIVATE PARK. WE CAMP OUT THERE.
WE BARBECUE. WE WE HAVE OUR FLAG UP WHEN WE ARE THERE.
WE WALK TRAILS. WE BICYCLE. IT IS, IT'S A DIFFERENT A WHOLE CULTURAL DIFFERENCE FROM CAVAN AVENUE TO BAFFLE. WE'VE OWNED IT ALMOST SEVEN YEARS AND A BIG REASON WHY WE GOT IT IS BECAUSE THIS MIGHT BE PIE IN THE SKY HOPES, BUT IT WAS ALL AT ONE TIME OR MIGHT STILL BE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
AND I HAVE HOPES THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE MAY BE ABLE TO PUT A MOBILE HOME UP THERE.
MAYBE NOT US, MAYBE OUR KIDS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHT FOR THE FUTURE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL NECESSARILY BE DEVELOPMENT BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, TAKE A PIECE OF IT AND DO THAT NOW AND THEN WORRY ABOUT THE REST OF IT LATER.
I DON'T I'M NOT REALLY FOR THAT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE HAD, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THERE HAVE BEEN FIRES OUT THERE IN THAT AREA NOW WHERE WE LIVE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY BUT TEN MILES.
AS THE CROW FLIES, THERE WILL BE FIRES AND WE WILL BE GOT GET SOME OF THE EMBERS AND THE SMOKE AND WHATNOT AS FAR AWAY AS WE LIVE. AND WE'VE HAD POLICE, POLICE COME OUT THERE ALL THE TIME AND TELL US WE HAVE TO LEAVE OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THE FIRES MAY BE MAY BE GETTING CLOSE OR NOT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WORRY ABOUT THE BULK PROPANE DISPENSARY SPECIFICALLY.
A DISPENSARY TO ME MEANS THAT'S WHERE SOMEBODY COMES AND GETS A BIG AMOUNT AND TAKES OFF, AND THEN THEY GO AND FILL UP SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE A BIG GIANT TRUCK. TRUCK TAKES OFF AND GOES TO ACE HARDWARE AND FILLS UP THEIR BIG TANK IN THE BACK OF THEIR STORE.
AND THEN ACE HARDWARE FILLS UP THEIR SMALL TANKS FOR.
NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE BECAUSE THEY SAY IT'S BULK.
MY QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THAT PROPANE COMING FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE TO GET THERE? SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE IN AND OUT TRAFFIC WITH SEMI TRUCKS, WHATEVER TRANSPORTATION.
PROPANE IS HIGHLY FLAMMABLE. I HATE TO THINK THAT WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR AN ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THE CITY WOULD TAKE MORE TIME AND THINK ABOUT DOING MORE OF THE INDUSTRIAL, THE COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER AND, AND DO IT, YOU KNOW, AS A, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY NOW AS A REGULATED GROWTH INSTEAD OF PICKING AND CHOOSING. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? OKAY. HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO STEP FORWARD AND SPEAK TO, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO KEEP THEM SPECIFIC TO THE COMP PLAN CHANGE. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME ZONING QUESTIONS IN THERE WHICH YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
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THAT WAS IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR. THE PLAN WAS COMPLETED.I HAVE A COPY OF IT IN MARCH OF 2025 AND THEN PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL IN THE NEXT MONTH.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE ONE THING THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RIGHTS THAT EXIST FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS IN LIGHT OF WHERE THE CITY'S BEEN TRYING TO GO WITH THE COMPOUND.
IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING SOME INDUSTRIAL IN PLACE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR? AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO IT IN A COMPREHENSIVE FASHION? ABSOLUTELY. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY MOVE ON THAT SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE REPORT WENT OUT.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF THE INDUSTRIAL.
AND IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE PIECEMEAL. MR. MOALLEM OWNS THAT PROPERTY, AND HE BELIEVES THAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE BASED ON THE DIRECTION WE'RE SEEING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WE REQUEST OBVIOUSLY, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE THE COMP PLAN TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO THE BOARD.
I NEED A MOTION BEFORE WE CAN OPEN UP DISCUSSION FOR ITEM NUMBER CP2500006.
IS THERE A MOTION? YES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CP250006.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION. MAYBE BEGIN A DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR. SO THERE IS A COMPOUND PLAN FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY WANTS. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS.
THAT'S BEEN THE PLAN FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS. HERITAGE PARKWAY WILL COME THROUGH THE COMPOUND.
THERE DOES HAVE TO BE A CATALYST AND A START FOR THE INDUSTRIAL TO HAPPEN.
I SEE THIS AS BEING THE CATALYST FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. MCCALLUM FOR COMING OUT HERE AND MAKING IT HAPPEN.
SO THE IDEA IS AGAIN, ALWAYS TO HAVE THE COMPOUND AS INDUSTRIAL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT FOR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.
SO THIS IS WHY I MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS THIS ITEM.
ANYBODY ELSE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I LIKE MR. WHELAN'S OUTLOOK ON THE FUTURE OF THE THE COMPOUND.
I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE COMPOUND AND SO MANY THINGS.
I'VE BEEN HERE 35 YEARS. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO DO THIS AND THAT, BUT NOTHING EVER GETS STARTED.
SO I THINK THIS IS THE BEGINNING. TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PALM BAY THE BEST PLACE IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTY. I THINK THAT STARTING SOMEWHERE, THE COMPREHENSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS STARTED AND I THINK AS PETE HAS MENTIONED, THAT THIS IS A START TO GET SOMETHING MOVING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE, WHAT THAT AREA NEEDS.
IT'S JUST BEEN AN EYESORE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.
I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FUTURE GROWTH THERE.
BUT I AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR I KNOW HE'S A, HE OWNS A LOT OF LAND OUT THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE FIRST STEP TO START MOVING THIS THING FORWARD.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. WE'VE ALSO FOUGHT IN THE CITY FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL, SO CHANGING IT FROM COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL. WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE FOUGHT FOR SO LONG TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO KEEP A LOT OF COMMERCIAL OR HAVE COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE CITY. AND I THINK NOW JUST CHANGING THESE, THIS FIVE ACRES TO INDUSTRIAL IS, IS IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT NOTEWORTHY OF, OF MAKING THAT TYPE OF A CHANGE.
AS FAR AS THE PROPANE DISPENSARY AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE THAT SOMEWHAT JUST, IT JUST DON'T BELONG. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THAT THAT, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SAFE.
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INDUSTRIAL PARK RIGHT OFF OF THE PARKWAY. SO NOW WE'RE JUST TAKEN AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE, THE SCENE OF THE, OF THE PARKWAY TO JUST TO JUST, JUST TO TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.SO I JUST DON'T SEE THIS ALIGNING IN ANY WAY WITH, WITH THE COMP PLAN.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CHIEF, DID THEY EVER CATCH THE FIREBUG OUT THERE? NO, THEY NEVER CAUGHT HIM. SO JUST FROM MY COMMENTS ON THIS YOU KNOW, I DO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I SHARE A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED ABOUT THE COMPOUND. IT'S A VERY FRUSTRATING ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HEAR IN THE NEWS THAT YOU KNOW, ANOTHER LOST SOUL HAS BEEN BEEN FOUND OUT THERE.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE MOVE INTO THE AREA.
AND WHEN YOU DO LOOK UP, THOSE ARE THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND YOU'VE GOT THE PROPOSED HIGHWAY COMING IN THERE, THE BREAK BETWEEN COMMERCIAL OR IF IT'S INDUSTRIAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY STARK CONTRAST NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT.
SO. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IN TO APPROVE CP25-00006.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, DESIGNATE BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? NAY, NAY. OKAY. SO, MR. RENIER, YOU ARE A NAY.
AND WHO WAS IT DOWN HERE? MCNALLY. MCNALLY. DOWN HERE.
ALL RIGHT, MOTION PASSES. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I GET THE RIGHT PERSONS HERE. TWO.
THREE. PHILIP. TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE MOVE ON, MR. CHAIR. YES. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL? SURE. MR. KARAFFA VOTES. YAY! MR. RAINIER. NAY! MR. CATALANO.
YAY! MR.. FILIBERTO? AYE! MR. HIGGINS IS NOT HERE.
CORRECT? MR. MCNALLY. NAY AND MR. NORRIS. YAY! THERE YOU GO. 4 TO 2. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON TO CPZ2500004. STILL ON OUR SAME SUBJECT? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE NEXT APPLICATION IS A REZONING REQUEST FROM OUR SAME APPLICANT, MR. DAVID MCCALLUM, ON THE 5.09 ACRES. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA, AND WE USE THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT ASSESSMENT.
WITH REGARD TO STAFF'S ASSESSMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT THE REQUESTED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS NECESSARY TO MEET A PUBLIC NEED, OR THAT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING CANNOT ACCOMMODATE APPROPRIATE EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES.
THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD ALLOW A BROADER RANGE OF HIGHER INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL USES ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UNLIKE THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING. THE CITY HAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES THAT ALREADY EXIST WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES, WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT POPULATION, ACCORDING TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DATA, INVENTORY AND ANALYSIS. AND WHILE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE COMP PLAN ALSO REQUIRES THE ORDERLY DISTRIBUTION OF COMPATIBLE LAND, USES APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN DIFFERING LAND USE INTENSITIES AND LAND USE EQUITY. THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY FROM A COMMERCIAL TRANSITION AREA TO ONE, PERMITTING A BROADER RANGE OF INDUSTRIAL USES, REPRESENTING AN INCREASE IN THE INTENSITY OF POTENTIAL
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DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL NEIGHBORING ZONING DISTRICTS.THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING PROVIDES A MORE APPROPRIATE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USE PROPERTIES, AND REZONING THE PROPERTY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD DIMINISH THAT TRANSITIONAL FUNCTION AND INCREASE THE POTENTIAL FOR INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE RELATIONSHIPS.
UPON RECEIVING THAT RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HEAR THE ITEM IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
HEARING NONE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AGAIN.
THIS IS ON THE REZONING. I'M NOT GOING TO BE REPETITIVE HERE BECAUSE I HEARD MOST OF IT.
I DID WANT TO NOTE ONE THING THAT OUR REQUEST IS FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO AGAIN, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE CHANGED TO WOULD BE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
OKAY. GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.
I'M GOING TO ASK THAT FOLKS WHO HAVE SOMETHING NEW OR ADDITIONAL TO SAY TO COME FORWARD.
OKAY. WELL, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AS IT STANDS, AS IT GOES TOWARDS JUST THE REZONING? I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CARRY ON WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
ANYTHING NEW THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED? YES, SIR. DAVID. AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A. COMMENTS TO MR. WARNER OBSERVATION THAT WAS VERY VALID, THAT WE NEED A LOT OF COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY. I HAVE 98 ACRES AND THEY'RE ALL ADJACENT.
BASICALLY, THE PARCELS ARE ON THIS INTERSECTION.
I DID NOT ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE I WANT THE REST OF THE PARCELS TO GO COMMERCIAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE REMAINDER OF MY PROPERTIES WOULD BE COMMERCIAL OVER THERE.
IF THE INDUSTRIAL IS THAT STRONG, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER IT PIECE BY PIECE.
BUT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. REMEMBER THAT THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE.
IT'S ALL THIS ZONING AND THIS AND THAT. IT'S ALL ON THE PAPERS.
IT'S A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL WHAT WE CAN DO TO CREATE A FUTURE OVER THERE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADD SOMETHING NEW IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? NO. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADD SOMETHING NEW IN OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION.
SURE. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE COMPATIBILITY, BUT I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY.
SO UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
MR. CHAIR. YES. SO I HAVE A CHECKLIST OF ITEMS I SHOULD GO THROUGH.
SCHOOLS IS NOT GOING TO BE APPLICABLE HERE, BUT BRINGING OUT UTILITIES.
WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? IS IT GOING TO BE SEWER? IT BE SEPTIC.
CITY WATER THIS TIME. AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE MORE IN THE NEXT ITEM THAT COMES UP.
BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO EXTEND UTILITIES AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
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I THINK THERE WOULD COME A TIME WHEN UTILITIES WOULD BE DESIRABLE WHEN IT REACHES A CERTAIN POINT.AND OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN THAT'LL BE DONE ONE OF SEVERAL WAYS.
IT'LL BE THE AREAS PAYING FOR IT. IT WILL BE THE INVESTMENT BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WE WILL ADDRESS THAT IN THE CUP REQUEST.
AS TO HOW WE WILL BE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH. SO BACK TO MY QUESTION. WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE USE WITH THE PROPANE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE USE.
WELL WE, WE CAN ONLY, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT CORRECT PERMITTED USE.
OKAY. GOTCHA. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS WORKS.
I'M NEW TO THIS STUFF, SO I JUST HAVE TO ASK AS I GO.
BUT I APPRECIATE THAT I WOULD, I JUST I GUESS MY ONE QUESTION NOW IS WHY NOW? LIKE WHY NOT? I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
I LOVE THAT. BUT IS THERE ANY ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANT TO GET THIS APPROVAL NOW RATHER THAN WAITING FOR THE THE WHOLE COMPANY? I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS WE HAVE WE HAVE A USER FOR THIS PROPERTY.
OKAY. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A USER, SO THAT'S OKAY.
NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT. MAYBE JUST AS IRRELEVANT, BUT I'M.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH PROPANE AND PROPANE ACCESSORIES.
IS THERE IS IT PIPED IN? IS THERE A PIPE THAT BRINGS PROPANE TO BE OUR NEXT.
OKAY. YEAH. IF WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY HERE WHO ACTUALLY CAN ADDRESS THAT.
YEAH. NEXT ITEM. OKAY. I DO. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR AN APPLICANT FOR THE APPLICANT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. I'M GOING TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET A MOTION ON CPC 500004.
IS THERE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CPZ2500004 PALM BAY BULK PLANT.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION. FOR STAFF. THIS GENTLEMAN HAS COME FORWARD TWICE NOW.
HE'S PRESENTED US WITH THIS PLAN, AND HE SAID THAT SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING.
HE SAID THAT THE COUNTY HAS APPROACHED HIM AND ASKED FOR THE ABILITY TO CHANGE HIS LAND ADMINISTRATIVELY TO IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? DID YOU SAY THE COUNTY APPROACHED? SORRY, THE CITY, I APOLOGIZE. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING THAT.
I AM AWARE OF THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, HOWEVER, FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE SUBJECT APPLICATION, WHICH IS A REZONING STAFF IS APPROPRIATELY GUIDED.
THE BOARD TO USE THE APPLICABLE POLICY DOCUMENT FOR REZONING, WHICH IS THE CRITERIA I POSTED IN MY PRESENTATION. THAT IS THE SOLE CRITERIA TO BE USED FOR REZONING.
I'M JUST KIDDING. THAT'S FUNNY. I HAD TO ASK.
IT SHOULD BE DENIED AND THE ONE BEFORE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED AS WELL.
A LOT OF THE EXTRA INFORMATION, I BELIEVE IS THE SCOPE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHILE I AGREE WITH THE FUTURE, WHAT IT'S COMING AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE I DON'T THINK IT'S WITHIN OUR SCOPE TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT, BUT SURE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE THEN SINCE WE WENT FROM COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL, NOW WE'RE GOING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO IT'S GOING TO ENCOMPASS THE WHOLE FIVE ACRES.
IT'S A LOT OF CHANGES IN ONE NIGHT. OKAY. OKAY.
CORRECT. YES, SIR. NOTHING FAILS. NOTHING HAPPENS.
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I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS ALLOWED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I WAS PRETTY SURE I KNEW THE RIGHT ANSWER. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR VOTE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CZ2500004 INDICATE BY SAYING I I.ALL THOSE OPPOSED. NAY. SHE'S GOING TO ASK ME FOR THE ROLL CALL.
RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT TO ME AREN'T YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO MR. KARAFFA HE'S GOING TO VOTE I ON THIS ONE. MR. WARNER NAY, MR. CATALANO, I MR. FILIBERTO. HEY.
MR. HIGGINS IS ABSENT, MR. MCNALLY. NAY, AYE.
MR. NORRIS. I I. ALL RIGHT. PASSES 4 TO 2. NOW WE MOVE ON TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CU25-00008.
SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF BEFORE WE START.
HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT IN RELATION TO THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU.
SO FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A PROPANE DISPENSARY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. CONDITIONAL USE CRITERIA APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA IS ON THE SCREEN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS IS WHAT STAFF USE TO DO THEIR ANALYSIS AND ASSESSMENT THEIR FINDINGS.
THE LIST OF SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT ARE ALSO BEFORE YOU.
SO IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT CERTAIN LAND USES, DUE TO THEIR UNIQUE FUNCTIONAL CHARACTERISTICS AND THE POTENTIALITY FOR THEIR INCOMPATIBILITY WITH ADJOINING LAND USES REQUIRES SPECIAL CONSIDERATION ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE SUITABLE WITHIN A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.
THAT IS WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE IS. IT'S CERTAIN USES ONLY ALLOWED BY PERMIT FOR, ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS OF ITS SUITABILITY FOR A SPECIFIC LOCATION IN A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IT'S THE INTENT OF OUR CODE THAT WE LOOK AT THE ITEMS FOR REVIEW, INCLUDING TRAFFIC FLOW, PARKING, UTILITIES BUFFERING, EXTERIOR SIGNS, AND LIGHTING OPEN SPACE BACK TO NETWORK COMPATIBILITY.
AND THEN YOU CAN IMPOSE ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT THE EXISTING ROAD CONDITIONS CAN SAFELY ACCOMMODATE RECURRING HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, ROADWAY INTEGRITY OR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
THE PROPOSED OFF-STREET PARKING AND LOADING AREAS HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN TO OPERATE WITHOUT CREATING UNDUE NOISE AND GLARE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA. THE REVIEW CRITERIA ALSO CONSIDERS LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING TO MITIGATE THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS OF A CONDITIONAL USE.
AND IN CONSIDERING LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING FOR THE REQUESTED USE, WHICH IS A PROPANE DISPENSARY.
LANDSCAPING OR BUFFERING FROM LANDSCAPING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY OVERRIDE NOXIOUS SMELLS, NOISES VIBRATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING. SECURITY LIGHTING, VEHICLE HEADLIGHTS, AND OPERATIONAL LIGHTING ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITY MAY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE GLARE AND VISUAL IMPACTS THAT CANNOT BE FULLY MITIGATED FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST. AND ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSAL MAY BE ABLE TO SATISFY DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS REQUIRED BY THE CODE IN RELATION TO SETBACKS AND OPEN SPACE WITH STAFF JUST JUST HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC SEMI. I'M SORRY THE THE PROPERTIES INTENSITY WILL NOT BE AFFECTING THE SURROUNDING USES. THE PROPOSED BULK PROPANE STORAGE AND DISPENSARY FACILITY IS NOT COMPATIBLE
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WITH THE SURROUNDING PATTERN DUE TO ITS OPERATIONAL INTENSITY.PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, HEAVY TRUCK ACTIVITY, AND PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
IN THE COMPOUND IS WITHIN A WILDFIRE PRONE AREA, AND IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD AND THE LIMITED FIRE PROTECTION INFRASTRUCTURE, SUCH AS THE HYDRANTS, MAY NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE FOR THIS INTENSE USE, AND STAFF ALSO FOUND THAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD PLACE A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF INDUSTRIAL IMPACTS ON ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PLANNED PROPERTIES AND DOESN'T ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE LAND USE EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
UPON RECEIVING THAT RECOMMENDATION, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED.
ACTUALLY, IN THIS CASE, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL UNTIL THERE IS AN AFFIRMATIVE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING. AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION DUE TO HOW DANGEROUS THIS FACILITY COULD BE.
I WOULD SAY MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE CODE ENUMERATES A LIST OF USES FOR EACH ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE PROPOSED USE REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL.
SO AGAIN, THE FIRST STATEMENT THAT I READ WAS CONDITIONAL USES AND SPECIFIC LOCATION AND TYPE OF USE. THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO DETERMINE IF THE USE AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE.
I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. MAYBE MAYBE, MAYBE NOT THE BEST QUESTION, BUT IN WHAT LEVEL OF INDUSTRIAL WOULD IT NEED TO BE FOR YOU NOT NEEDING A CONDITIONAL USE TO HAVE IT? HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. WHAT WAS THAT? THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. HEAVY. OKAY.
AND THAT'S I MEAN, I GUESS IN THE LEVEL OF TIERS, RIGHT.
HEAVY IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF INDUSTRIAL. MOST INTENSE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS IN THE CUP. ONE, IT IS THE INTENT OF THE END USER THERMO TO USE ONLY THE FRONT TWO ACRES TOWARDS THE ROADWAY, NOT THE BACK THREE ACRES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS MR. MANITOBAH HE'S WITH THERMO TAN AND HE CAN ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, I HOPE.
RELATIVE TO THE OPERATION. GOOD EVENING SIR. GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS MANITOBA. I'M GENERAL MANAGER WITH THERMO TANK PROPANE.
I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS. I HAVE A MASTER QUALIFIER LICENSE FROM THE STATE.
OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY PREPARED STATEMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US AS TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING OUT THERE SPECIFICALLY? YES, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BULK PLAN, WHICH IS A PLAN WHERE WE GET DELIVERIES FROM PROBABLY ONCE A WEEK ON AN 18 WHEELER FILLS THE TANK AND THEN WE FILL BOBTAILS. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GROW MORE AND THEN WE'LL BE TWO.
THOSE ARE ABOUT 20FT LONG TRUCKS, STRAIGHT TRUCKS.
SO WE FILL THEIR BIG TANK WHERE THEY FEEL THEIR LITTLE BOTTLES.
WE'RE NOT FEELING ANY SMALL BOTTLES ON OUR PLANT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE OUR TRUCKS TO DELIVER OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND BELIEVE ME, THEY LOVE TO SEE US WHEN THERE'S A HURRICANE COMING BECAUSE WE FEEL ALL THOSE LITTLE TANKS. WE FEEL GENERATORS SOMETIMES HOSPITALS, WE DO IT ALL, YOU KNOW? SO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE COMING TO YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS AND FILLING SMALL TANKS.
THAT IS CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC, OUR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS COMING TO YOUR FACILITY TO EXCHANGE TANKS.
OKAY. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MR.. OH, OKAY.
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WE'LL START ON THIS END. GO AHEAD. SO WILL THERE BE A BUILDING WITH AN OFFICE OR ANYTHING ON ON THE SITE? NO, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE JUST GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE AN OH, MAN.SOMETIMES THE TECHNICIANS TAKE THEM HOME WITH THEM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ON MAN.
WE HAVE CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION CAMERAS THAT FOLLOW YOU.
IF SOMEBODY GOES IN, THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND TO SECURE THE PLACE AND YOU HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE PLACE OR WHAT? YES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FENCE. BYE BYE CODE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE.
RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. NEXT QUESTION. WELL, THAT WAS THAT WAS PART OF THE QUESTION.
WHAT WHAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S THERE'S HAZARDOUS MATERIAL THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
WHAT SAFETY PRECAUTIONS DO YOU ALL HAVE IN PLACE? WELL PROPANE FOR ONE IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASKED EARLIER IS NONTOXIC.
SO IT HAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. IF IT LEAKED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT DOES HAVE A FLAMMABILITY.
WE ARE GOVERNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, WHICH CONDUCTS INSPECTIONS ROUTINELY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE GO BY THE BOOK, WE DON'T TAKE ANY SHORTCUTS.
WE HAVE OTHER PLANS. WE HAVE A PLAN IN SANFORD RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE SURROUNDED BY A SUBDIVISION. WE ONLY HAVE THE ENTRANCE, AND THE WHOLE THING IS SURROUNDED BY SUBDIVISION HOUSES, RIGHT? LIKE 25FT AWAY FROM US. NO PROBLEMS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL.
SO A CLARIFYING QUESTION. THIS FACILITY IN TERMS OF SECURITY IS GOING TO HAVE FENCE CAMERAS, BUT NO ACTIVE SECURITY GUARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THERE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT FAILURE OR SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY? WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, THE EQUIPMENT FAILURE COULD MEAN A LOT OF THINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO DETECT THAT BECAUSE WE CHECK IT ONCE A WEEK.
THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT. AND A SMALL LEAK LIKE THAT, YOU COULD PROBABLY HOLD A LIGHTER TO IT.
IT WON'T LIGHT BECAUSE PROPANE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT AIR MIXTURE EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO LIGHT.
IT WILL NOT LIGHT. AND IF IT DOES, IT'S A CONTROLLED BURN WHERE IT'S JUST LIKE A LIGHTER, YOU KNOW, GOING OFF, NOTHING HAPPENS. SO WE MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT 18 WHEELERS DRIVING ON THE ROADS.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT THE NICEST ROADS OUT THERE.
I WAS ACTUALLY OUT THERE. THE ROADS LOOK A LITTLE BAD, BUT I THINK I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE GO IN OTHER AREAS, WE GO ON PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS. YOU KNOW, WE WE AND WE DON'T CRACK ANY DRIVEWAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. SOME OF THOSE ROADS WERE PUT IN BY GDC AND THEY WERE, AS. I'VE BEEN HERE 35 YEARS AND I KNOW THEY JUST POURED.
THEY POURED BLACKTOP OVER THE TOP OF DIRT. SO YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO MAKE SURE.
I MEAN, ARE WE APPROVING THIS WITH CONDITIONS OR ARE WE JUST IT'S APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
I GUESS I NEED IS THAT SOMETHING? I GUESS WE CAN GET BACK TO STAFF AND ASK THEM THAT QUESTION, BUT I. SO NOISES, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABUTTING PROPERTY AND YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD THIS IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THE PUMP ITSELF, THE PUMPS, THE MOTOR, THE FUEL INTO OUR TRUCKS.
YOU CAN BARELY HEAR THE THING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T VIBRATE.
BECAUSE IF IT VIBRATED, THE PIPES WOULD SHAKE AND IT WOULD COME LOOSE.
SO WE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE LIKE MOTOR MOUNTS. SO IT ABSORBS THE VIBRATION.
SO YOU CAN BARELY HEAR THE MOTOR GOING. GOTCHA.
SO HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES THE PROPANE GET IN? BY LARGER TRUCKS TO SUPPLY YOU? YEAH. YEAH. WE GOT LIKE AN 18 WHEELER THAT GOES IN THERE LIKE ONCE A WEEK, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH YOU'RE SELLING. YEAH. BECAUSE DURING HURRICANES, THEY MIGHT HAVE 2 OR 3 A WEEK BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S USING IT.
RIGHT. WOULD THERE BE ANY BENEFIT TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL UNITS THAT ARE OUT IN THAT AREA AS WE YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I BELIEVE, IS TALKING ABOUT LIGHT, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL GOING OUT THERE.
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RIGHT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. THE END USERS SUCH AS BUSINESSES COULD INDIVIDUALLY COME AND.WELL, NO, THEY THEY CANNOT. WE DON'T SELL TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE WILL DELIVER TO THEM.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I SEE THAT YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE YOU'RE USING ONLY TWO ACRES.
TWO ACRES FOR THE CORRECT. AND THEN THE OTHER THREE ACRES.
ARE THERE ANY FUTURE PLANS FOR FUTURE EXPANSION? NO. IS THERE ARE THERE ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS OR PLANS FOR ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY WHERE THERE MAY BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME, NO. WITH THAT PLAN RIGHT NOW, WE CAN SERVICE THE WHOLE CITY RIGHT NOW WITH THAT SMALL SECTION THERE.
BECAUSE THERE'S A 30,000 GALLON TANK. THAT'S A BIG TANK. YEAH, WE GOT ACRES.
SO THE BACK THREE, THE BACK THREE ACRES, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
YOU'RE NOT COLLECTING CLASSIC CARS OUT THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF CODE THAT GOES INTO THIS.
WE SPRAY THE THE LAWN, SO NOT NOTHING GRASSES AND GROW AROUND THE TANK.
OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT SAFETY FOR A MINUTE. FOR A MINUTE.
WHAT EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE IN PLACE THAT YOUR COMPANY WILL PROVIDE IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING UNUSUAL HAPPENS, LIKE A FIRE. I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE LIGHTER ON THE SIDE OF IT.
WE WE HAVE WELL, IF, IF THEY SPILL THE PROPANE, THEY, THEY HAVE THE, THE HOSES AND ALL THAT THEY HAVE ONE, ONE WAY CHECK VALVES SO IT'LL STOP AUTOMATICALLY.
SO BUT THEY ALL, ALL OUR TRUCKS AND THEIR TRUCKS TOO ARE, ARE DESIGNED THAT THEY HAVE ONE WAY VALVES WHEN, IF THEY, IF THEY SEE A PRESSURE GOING TOO FAST BECAUSE OF A SPILL, IT SHUTS IT DOWN AUTOMATICALLY.
OKAY. YEAH, THEY'RE CALLED CHECK VALVES. MR. CHAIR.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS ABOUT WILDFIRES OR ARSONISTS.
IF THERE IF THE WHOLE COMPOUND'S ON FIRE, WOULD IT COMPROMISE YOUR FACILITY OR WOULD IT? WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. LIKE, WHILE IT WILL HAVE TO BE LIKE A LOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TANKS ARE DESIGNED TO, YOU KNOW, WITHSTAND THAT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN UP NORTH AND IN THE FARMS, THEY LIKE TIRES ON FIRE UNDERNEATH THE TANKS TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, VAPORIZE BECAUSE IT GETS SO COLD AND NOTHING HAPPENS.
THEY DO THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEY DO THAT.
TERRIFYING. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE AROUND IT. BUT THEY DO THAT ALL ALL TIME FARMERS DO THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THOUSAND GALLON TANKS. BUT IF YOU KEEP THE GRASS KIND OF CUT BACK, WE WE THERE'S NO GRASS.
I DON'T SEE HOW IT. YEAH. NOW WE SPRAY IT SO IT DOESN'T GROW.
YOU KNOW, WE PUT MILLINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE, WE SPRAY THE MILLIONS OF THE GRASS DOESN'T GROW BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, FLAMMABLE. IF IT DOES. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.
CAN YOU STILL SMELL PROPANE OR ARE YOU JUST SO USED TO IT YOU CAN'T EVEN. I'M SO USED TO IT.
IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THE ETHYL MERCAPTAN IN IT.
THEY MAKE IT SMELL 10,000 FOR 10,000 GALLONS.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION. NO, YOU GO AHEAD. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU SPRAY THE GRASS. ARE YOU GUYS OBLIGATED TO PUT TO PAVE THE AREA, PUT CONCRETE DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR ARE YOU JUST CUTTING THE AREA? AND WE PUT MILLINGS. IT'S CALLED MILLINGS AND AROUND THE WHOLE TANK.
AND THEN WE PUT THE TANK ON SLABS SO IT MINIMIZES GRASS GROWING.
BUT EVEN IF IT STARTS GROWING, WE SPRAY IT. WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT COMES OUT AND SPRAYS IT TWICE A YEAR, AND IF IT STILL CONTINUES, THEY COME OUT AND SPRAY IT AGAIN.
WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PRODUCT THEY USE, IT TAKES CARE OF IT.
HAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEWED THIS AND SUPPORTED THIS PROPOSAL? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE REVIEWED. I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE LOOKING INTO IT BECAUSE THEY USUALLY DO. THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS TO LOOK AT THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE PROVIDED TRAINING FOR FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE PAST AND WE WORK TOGETHER REAL CLOSE.
SO I GOT TO BE HONEST, I HAVE A CONCERN JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE BAD BEHAVIOR THAT GOES ON OUT IN THE COMPOUND. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH JUST CAMERAS AND A FENCE.
IT MAKES ME NERVOUS. YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, I MEAN, ARE YOU NERVOUS? EXCUSE ME. ARE YOU NERVOUS? I'M NOT NERVOUS BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE THERE, I LIVE.
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I LIVE IN FORT PIERCE, BUT. BUT I CARE ABOUT.I CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC, OF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, I LIKE WHEN I WHEN I DO SOMETHING, I WANT TO GO HOME AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S SAFE, YOU KNOW? USUALLY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING FOR THEM TO GAIN, YOU KNOW? THERE'S NOTHING FOR THEM TO GO IN THERE AND STEAL.
THERE'S NOTHING OF VALUE FOR THEM. YEAH. AND I THINK TEN, 15 YEARS AGO I MIGHT HAVE AGREED WITH YOU.
WELL, IF THEY DO THAT, THEY'RE GOING WITH IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID THAT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD FOR OUR APPLICANT? OKAY. HEARING NONE SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR Q 2500008.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? YES, SIR. DAVID MOULDEN.
1663 GEORGIA STREET, NORTHEAST NUMBER 700. AS I'M LOOKING AT THE COMPOUND DEVELOPMENTS AND PUSHING FOR IT BEFORE MY LIFETIME IS OVER.
THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF MY BIG PROJECTS. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF DIFFERENT UTILITIES.
AND WE WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE LINES BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO A COUPLE OF SECTIONS OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS OVER THERE. WE HAVE TALKED TO THE FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHTS.
THEY WANT TO DO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING POLES AT THE PUMP COMPOUND.
I THINK THAT THE THIS GAS BEING NEXT TO THE INDUSTRIAL IS A BIG PLUS OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IF THEY NEED ALSO GAS USAGE. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN PIPE IT IN AND MAKE IT WORK.
SO IS IT A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? I AM CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY TOO.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING IS DANGEROUS.
YOU KNOW, THE CAR THAT WE DRIVE IS DANGEROUS TO THE AIR THAT WE BREATHE IS DANGEROUS.
YOU KNOW, THE WATER WE DRINK, EVERYTHING IS DANGEROUS.
BUT ONE THING. YOU ALL WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERYTHING IS SO REGULATED.
IT'S SO MUCH SAFETY AND REGULATIONS. ANY INDUSTRY, YOU GO OVER THERE, THEY THROW THE BOOK AT YOU.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DEPEND ON OTHER PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY THEY KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW.
I'M NOT THE EXPERT, SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY, THEY KNOW AND THEY REGULATE THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A TERRORISM ACT.
AND EVEN IF WE DO, JUST REMEMBER, THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE.
SO IF THESE THINGS, THEY COME OVER THERE AND THEY THROW A BOMB AT IT, IT WOULD EXPLODE.
THERE IS NOBODY TO KILL OVER THERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
YOU GOT THE BELTWAY OR THE POWER LINES AND THINGS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG ISOLATION AREA BETWEEN IT TO IF THERE BE ANY HOUSING TO THE WEST OF IT.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE, NOT NOW.
AND THOSE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE WOULD DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THE LIVING THAT FAR FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THIS FACILITY OR CLOSE TO IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT? FIRE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR. I'M JUST.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, WE GOT A LINE. BILL, YOU'RE UP FIRST.
IT GOES BACK TO THE BOARD. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO COINCIDE WITH THIS ONE.
WOULD HE REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE IF THE ZONING REMAINED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL?
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WOULD HE STILL REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE? AND COULD HE GOT BY WITH BY REQUESTING THE CONDITIONAL USE WHEN IT WAS STILL ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.COULD HE HAVE DONE ALL THAT BY KEEPING THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT OTHER STEP? ITEM NUMBER TWO. WELL, WILL THIS PROPERTY TURN INTO STORAGE OF EMPTY CANISTERS? SO IT WILL ALWAYS BE NEAT OR WILL IT TURN INTO A JUNKYARD LOOKING STORAGE CONTAINMENT CENTER? ITEM NUMBER THREE SAFETY AND SECURITY. IT'S GOING TO BE A FENCE WITH A CANISTER SITTING RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY POSSIBLE MECHANISM THAT CAN AUTOMATICALLY NOTIFY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? NOTIFY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF CASUALTIES.
I KNOW THERE ARE SYSTEMS OUT THERE THAT AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT.
IF THERE'S A NON LIKE A VIOLATION OF AN ENTRY.
COULD THERE BE SOMETHING SET UP BECAUSE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE.
YOU GET TO GUIDE WHAT SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONAL USES ARE.
YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY. AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS WILL THERE BE ANY KIND OF FIRE SUPPRESSION CAPABILITY THAT WILL BE AT SITE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM? BUT THOSE ARE MY NEGATIVES.
BUT FOR A POSITIVE, IF WE NEVER START DOING ANYTHING OUT THERE, WE'LL NEVER PROCEED FORWARD.
AND I GOT TO GIVE IT TO THE MAN. HE'S STEPPING UP AND HE'S MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU BILL. ALL RIGHT SIR.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD HEARD FROM YOU. I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. NO GOOD TO GO, SIR.
OKAY, GREAT. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? NO. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO BRING THE MATTER BACK TO THE BOARD.
MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CAN WE. CAN WE CAN WE HEAR FROM CHIEF? FROM THE FIRE CHIEF? YEAH.
EVENING, CHIEF. WE KNOW WE PROBABLY WEREN'T EXPECTING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
WELL, I'M I'M HERE. I'M READY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
RICHARD STOVER, FIRE CHIEF, CITY OF PALM BAY FIRE RESCUE.
FIRST I WANT TO SAY, I ALSO, FULL DISCLOSURE, DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT I DO CARE.
I CARE ABOUT MY PEOPLE THAT RESPOND TO THESE TYPE OF CALLS EVERY DAY, WHETHER IT'S PROPANE TANK, WHETHER IT'S A STRUCTURE FIRE. I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS, I CARE.
SO THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS A LITTLE I DIDN'T TAKE THAT TOO KINDLY.
SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS PROJECT MEANS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
FIRST OFF, I WILL GIVE THE PROPANE INDUSTRY KUDOS FOR HOW THEY GO ABOUT THEIR SAFETY, HOW THEY DESIGN THEIR TANKS, HOW THEY MAKE SURE THERE'S SAFETY THERE. SO WHEN THERE'S AN INCIDENT, WHEN THERE'S A NORMAL, PREDICTABLE THOUGHT TO BE EVERYDAY INCIDENT, THEY TAKE CARE OF THINGS, NO DOUBT.
BUT WHAT THEY DON'T LOOK AT IS WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING UNEXPECTED, I CAN TAKE A VEHICLE AND I CAN DRIVE A VEHICLE IN THERE AND THOSE VALVES WILL NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THOSE TANKS.
YOU WILL HAVE THE PRODUCT COME OUT OF THERE. HOW'S IT COME OUT? IT'S GOING TO COME OUT IF IT'S AND I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS ONE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO INTO A LIST OF STUFF. WE SEE TERRORISM ALL THE TIME.
WE SEE WHAT GOES ON IN THE COMPOUND. THAT'S NOT TERRORISM RELATED ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.
THERE'S ROCKET LAUNCHES THAT TAKE PLACES OUT THERE, BECAUSE THIS AREA OF THE STATE IS ONE OF THE MOST UTILIZED AREAS FOR ROCKET RESEARCH FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA AND FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND OTHER UNIVERSITIES THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO ON OUT THERE.
BUT YOU TAKE A VEHICLE, YOU TAKE A WEAPON AND YOU IMPINGE THAT TANK.
I'LL TAKE. I'LL STICK WITH THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE IMPINGES THE TANK.
FOR WHATEVER REASON. I'M OUT THERE MESSING AROUND, DRIVING AROUND.
I'M DRUNK. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT GOES ON OUT IN THE COMPOUND ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.
I HIT THAT MY CAR IS NOW THERE. I HAVE AN IGNITION SOURCE.
I HAVE FUEL, I HAVE PRODUCT COMING OUT OF THERE.
I NOW HAVE THE IGNITION SOURCE. I NOW HAVE FLAME IMPINGEMENT ON THIS VESSEL.
THE PRESSURE RELIEF VALVES COULD BE DAMAGED. THEY'RE VERY GOOD VALVES, BUT THEY DO DAMAGE.
SO NOW THAT PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE IS DESIGNED TO.
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NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT THERE. YOU'VE GOT THAT BACK ON THE CAR.THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I THAT DON'T LIVE HERE IN THIS CITY HAVE TO CARE ABOUT.
SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST ONE SCENARIO THAT'S POSSIBLE OUT THERE.
BUT LET'S ADD TO THAT THE FACT THAT BECAUSE THE CITY HAS HAS GOT SOME CONSTRAINTS WITH OUR FIRE PROTECTION MODELING AND WHERE OUR STATIONS ARE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE SEVEN MINUTE, 22ND RESPONSE TIME.
THAT'S FROM THE TIME WE GET NOTIFIED. NOW WE'RE IN A COMPOUND.
FIRST WE ASK TO BE IDENTIFIED. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THEN DISPATCH IS ABLE TO LOCATE WHERE IN THE COMPOUND THEY ARE.
HOW LONG? HOW MUCH TIME HAVE WE GOTTEN THERE? HAVE WE SPENT THERE BEFORE WE START THE SEVEN MINUTE 27.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO MUCH FOR THIS TANK, NOT FOR THIS FACILITY.
WE NEED WATER TO COOL IT DOWN. I HAVE ONE TRUCK, 1000 GALLONS OF WATER.
IF AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THERE WAS IN THE PROPOSAL THERE WAS 150 GALLON TANK, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS. AND LET'S SAY IT'S A THOUSAND GALLON TANK.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH WATER FOR ME TO TAKE AND START COOLING DOWN.
THIS VESSEL THAT IS NOW ON FIRE HAS FLAME IMPINGEMENT ON IT, AND HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF WHAT'S KNOWN AS A BOILING LIQUID EXPANDING VAPOR EXPLOSION. NOW, I HEARD EARLIER ABOUT THERE'S NO ONE AROUND TO KILL.
OKAY, LET'S LET'S FORGET ABOUT THAT PART. SO THE EXPLOSION.
NOW THIS VESSEL, YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE PROPANE TANKS.
THIS THING ENDS UP BECOMING A LEVEE, AND IT SEPARATES.
IT LAUNCHES. WHERE DOES IT LAND? DOES IT LAND NEAR THE HOUSES THAT ARE OVER THERE? DOES IT GO IN AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION? SO THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON THAN JUST WHAT YOU'VE HEARD SO FAR.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE THE MILLINGS DOWN ON THE GROUND.
THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO HAVE HAVE THE MILLINGS. WE'VE TURNED AROUND AND WE'VE TOLD FPL IF THEY'RE SOLAR FARMS, WE WANT MILLINGS. SO I CAN'T ARGUE THAT PART THERE.
BUT NOW LET'S TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. HOW MANY BRUSH FIRES HAVE WE SEEN OUT THERE THIS YEAR ALONE? AND HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF ACRES AT ANY GIVEN TIME HAVE WE SEEN ROLL THROUGH THOSE AREAS? I DON'T NEED THE CAR NOW. I'VE GOT THIS LARGE, MASSIVE BRUSH FIRE GOING THROUGH THE AREA.
THERE IS MORE HEAT, WHICH MEANS THERE'S MORE FLAME IMPINGEMENT ON THAT VESSEL, WHICH MEANS THAT NOW EVEN WITH THE WITH THE PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE WORKING PROPERLY, IF I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER ON THAT VESSEL IN A PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS BLEVE OCCURRING.
AND WHERE AGAIN, WHERE DOES IT LAND? I ALSO HAVE TO TAKE MY RESOURCES, AND I HAVE TO PUT MY PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY TO GET THAT WATER MONITORING SET UP TO WHERE I CAN START PUTTING WATER ON THAT VESSEL, BECAUSE WATER WILL COOL IT DOWN.
WATER WILL REGAIN CONTROL OF THAT PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE.
BUT I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH WATER IN THAT AREA TO DO THAT.
I CANNOT GUARANTEE WE CAN DO THAT IN ANY CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO PREVENT THE LEVY FROM OCCURRING.
ALONG WITH THAT, OUR STAFFING. WE RUN ABOUT 58 CALLS A DAY.
WE'RE A MEDIUM SIZED FIRE DEPARTMENT. 58 CALLS A DAY.
WHERE I COME FROM, THAT'S NOTHING IN THIS AREA.
THAT'S A LOT. ESPECIALLY WITH THE LACK OF RESOURCES WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
WHEN IT COMES TO RESOURCES WE CALL IN, WE ASK FOR HELP THREE TIMES MORE THAN WE GET HELP FROM WITHIN THE CITY, THAN WE GET REQUESTS TO GO OUT OF THE CITY. THAT'S HOW SHORT WE ARE RIGHT NOW ON EQUIPMENT.
SO YOU TAKE THAT 58 CALLS A DAY AND YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU PUT US ON THE ROAD AT ANY GIVEN TIME OF THE DAY, TAKE THE CHANCES OF THAT PARTICULAR STATION BEING OUT ON A CALL.
WHOO! AND IF YOU GO FURTHER NORTH IN THE CITY, THOSE ADJOINING UNITS ARE EXTREMELY BUSY.
THE FURTHER NORTH WE GO, THE MORE THOSE UNITS ARE BUSY.
YOU GO SOUTH. I GET ONE UNIT DOWN THERE. I HAVE ONE UNIT DOWN THERE THAT I CAN BRING IN THAT IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL FOUR MINUTES ON TOP OF THAT SEVEN MINUTE RESPONSE TIME. SO AS YOU SEE, WE'RE LACKING RESOURCES TO GET THE PROPER AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THERE TO SAFELY PROTECT MY PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE FIGHTING
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THIS FIRE. AND I SAY MY PEOPLE FIRST FOR A REASON.IF MY PEOPLE ARE NOT SAFE, THEY CAN'T MAKE YOU SAFE.
THEY CAN'T DO THEIR JOB. SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MY PEOPLE TO BE SAFE FIRST, SO I CAN GO OUT THERE AND PROTECT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, ALL THE VISITORS THAT GO THROUGH THIS AND ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT.
WE HAVE PROBABLY, I THINK WE HAVE SEVEN OF THOSE RIGHT NOW. WE JUST RECEIVED SOME NEW ONES.
THOSE THINGS AVERAGE ABOUT 1000 GALLONS APIECE.
THAT'S A SINGLE RESOURCE UNIT. IT TAKES TIME TO GET THERE.
IT'S NOT AN EXPERT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MOVES THROUGH THE CITY QUICK, LIKE THE ENGINE COMPANIES, THE LADDER COMPANIES, POLICE CARS, RESCUES, AMBULANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT TAKES TIME TO GET THEM THERE. THEY DON'T GO THERE AND IMMEDIATELY PUT WATER ON THE FIRE.
THAT TAKES SEVERAL MINUTES ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ON.
I APOLOGIZE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A TANKER TRUCK? THEY WOULD BE WHAT MOST PEOPLE KNOW IS A TANKER.
YES. OKAY. IN THE FIRE SERVICE, THE OFFICIAL TERM FOR TANKER IS FLYING ACROSS THE SKY.
THOSE ARE WHAT THEY CALL TANKERS. BUT BELIEVE ME, I UNDERSTAND.
TANKER TRUCK AS IT PULLS UP. IT DOESN'T HAVE A PUMP, BUT IT ENGAGES TO YOUR ENGINE.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE WAY EVERYTHING'S BEEN RENAMED NATIONALLY THESE DAYS.
WE CALL THEM TENDERS NOW. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO PROBLEM.
LIMITED ACCESS. LET'S GO BACK TO THE SECURITY AROUND THERE.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE.
THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. I HAVE BIG UNITS.
I HAVE SEVERAL UNITS. HOW AM I GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE? WHAT'S GETTING IN AND OUT? AND ACCESS TAKES ME BACK TO THE COMBAT, THE CONVERSATION ON THE ROADS AGAIN.
WE SAW THAT THE ROADS WERE EVEN IN WORSE CONDITION.
WE THOUGHT WHAT THAT DOES FOR THE FIRE SERVICE IS IT TAKES THESE SEVERAL TON TRUCKS AND WE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN WHEN WE'RE RESPONDING TO THAT, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF HITTING POTHOLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH YOU'VE ALL SEEN OUT THERE, AND DAMAGING THE TRUCK AND THE TRUCK, NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT THERE.
SO THOSE ROADS, WHILE IF YOU'RE GOING IN NORMAL SEARCH, NORMAL SITUATION, YOU'RE DRIVING AT A NORMAL SPEED AND YOU'RE DOING WHAT EVERY, WHAT MOST OF US DO EVERY DAY GOING UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAYS.
THEY MIGHT WORK. BUT FOR US TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE IN A HURRY.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ALSO. OUR CLOSEST CONSISTENT WATER SUPPLY, WHICH IS A FIRE HYDRANT, IS 1.73 MILES AWAY. 1.73 MILES. HOW MANY TRUCKS WOULD I HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT HOSE OFF OF? SET UP ALL THESE DIFFERENT RELAY PUMPING SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THE WATER GETS THERE AND I HAVE THE ADEQUATE PRESSURE AT THE OTHER END TO HANDLE THIS SITUATION.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND ALL THE UTILITIES BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE SECURITY CHAIN LINK FENCE AND WHAT ELSE HAPPENS OUT AT THE COMPOUND THAT I THINK WE ALL KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE HERE OR HAVE THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS OUT THERE. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THAT? DO WE WANT SOMETHING PENETRATING THAT VESSEL AND HAVING A PROBLEM LIKE THAT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON OUT THERE. I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD WHAT WE FOUND BODIES OUT THERE THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WERE OUT THERE, THAT WERE EXECUTIONS THAT TOOK PLACE OUT THERE? SOME OF THOSE TOOK PLACE WITH WEAPONS. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
AND THE JUST IN APRIL ALONE IN THAT AREA, WE WERE WE RESPONDED TO 27 BRUSH FIRES IN THAT AREA ALONE.
WE HAD RESOURCES AT THAT POINT IN TIME FOR THOSE CALLS.
IT WAS SO BAD WE HAD TO CALL IN UNITS FROM MIMS TO COME IN AND HELP US FIGHT THE FIRE.
THAT'S HOW MUCH WAS GOING ON OUT THERE AND HOW MUCH RESOURCES WERE LACKED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WE CALLED UNITS IN BETWEEN. THAT STILL WAS NOT ENOUGH.
WE HAD UNITS ALL THE WAY FROM MIMS HERE TO HELP US.
WE HAVE NO AERIAL DEVICES IN THIS PART OF THE OF THIS PART OF THE CITY.
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WE'RE WAITING ON OUR AERIAL DEVICES TO GET THERE.ALONG WITH THAT, WE WOULD LIKE A STUDY DONE, AN NFPA 1142 STUDY, WHICH TALKS ABOUT WATER SUPPLY FOR SUBURBAN AND RURAL AREAS THAT GO IN THAT COINCIDE WITH NFPA 58, WHICH IS THE GAS CODE ON HOW THINGS ARE DONE AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR FIRE PROTECTION WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THESE KIND OF FACILITIES. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE NOTES THAT I'VE PICKED UP ON, I CAN HELP ANSWER, HOPEFULLY SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT.
BUT THESE ARE MY CONCERNS AS THE FIRE CHIEF, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIFE SAFETY OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE VISITORS RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY. CHIEF, WAS THIS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOU TO REVIEW BEFORE THIS EVENING? I'M SORRY. WAS THIS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW BEFORE THIS EVENING? THE WHERE IT GOES IS OUR PLAN CODE OUR OUR PLANS.
THEN WE GET IT. AND WE HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, FROM THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, THESE ARE OUR ISSUES HERE.
SO I HAD MY FIRE MARSHAL GO THROUGH AND WE SAT DOWN AND WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL DEFICIENCIES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE CODE AND YOU'RE CHECKING OFF BOXES, IT DOESN'T LOOK AT THE DAMAGED ROADS.
IT DOESN'T LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE HISTORICS OF THE AREA THERE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK AT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SEQUENCE OF OUR EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE? HOW QUICKLY IS THE PROPER AMOUNT OF WATER GOING TO GET THERE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. ARE THERE HYDRANTS? YES OR NO? IS THE HYDRANTS. THOSE HYDRANTS ARE THOSE HYDRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WE LOOK AT IT FROM THE PURELY OPERATIONAL SIDE.
THANK YOU SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FIRE CHIEF BEFORE WE MOVE ON, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. GREAT PRESENTATION, CHIEF, KIND OF MY QUESTION TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW COUNCIL HAS AN IDEA TO MAKE THE COMPOUND IN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
YES, SIR. WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS? ARE YOU JUST GOING TO SAY, HEY, I CAN'T I CAN'T SERVE THESE PEOPLE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS TO COME? OR WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THE COMPOUND? WELL, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND AS YOU AS YOU I'M NOT ON THE GROWTH SIDE.
I'M ON THE FIRE SIDE. I WANT TO MAKE THAT MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT FIRST, AS WE LOOK AT THIS STUFF, AS IT GROWS, WE GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
DO I WANT GROWTH OUT THERE? YES. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GROWTH OUT THERE.
I'VE GOT STATIONS PLANNED FOR OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE UTILITIES TO PUT THE FIRE STATIONS.
I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL AT THIS POINT OUTSIDE OF BRUSHFIRES.
AND AND THIS I KNOW THIS DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT WHEN I SAY SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES, BUT THERE'S ALSO THOUSANDS, AS WE KNOW, IN THE SOUTH OR IN THE NORTH END OF THE CITY.
BUT I'VE GOT THOSE THINGS OUT THERE. SO MY FIRE RISK IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
BUT WE HAVE A PLAN. AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND OUR CAPITAL PLAN SOMEWHERE ON THE WEBSITE THAT SHOWS WHAT OUR BUILD OUT IS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE GROWTH AS IT GOES THROUGH.
I SAID THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT. EVANS. I'M SORRY. EVANS.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE EMERALD LAKES AND EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTH END.
THEY SIT DOWN WITH US AND THEY LOOK AT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK AT IS, WHERE'S YOUR CLOSEST FIRE STATION? I DON'T HAVE ONE THERE. SO THEN WE WORK AT HOW WE FIGURE THAT OUT.
THEN UTILITIES IS INVOLVED IN IT, SO THEY MAKE SURE THERE'S WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT THERE.
SO I FULLY SUPPORT THE GROWTH OUT THERE. I HOPE TO GET A COUPLE STATIONS OUT THERE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT IN SUCH A MANNER FROM THE FIRE PROTECTION SIDE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT'S NOT LESS THAN WHAT THE REST OF THE CITY HAS.
SURE. AND ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE HOUSING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OUR LANDS AND MAYBE EVEN ASHTON PARK DOWN THERE IN SOUTHEAST HERITAGE. WHAT CAME FIRST, THE HOUSES OR YOUR FIRE STATION? THEY'RE NOT UP YET, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AT DIFFERENT PHASES.
AND WE HAVE FIRE PROTECTION DOWN THERE. THAT'S ONE OF ONE OF THE REASONS WHY FIRE STATION NINE IS A TEMPORARY FACILITY DOWN THERE, BECAUSE WE WERE SO LACKING OF FIRE PROTECTION DOWN THERE.
WE WENT IN AND PUT A TEMPORARY FACILITY THAT CUT 15 TO 18 MINUTES OFF OF OUR RESPONSE TIME DOWN THERE, AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL STATIONS BEING PLANNED IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. THANKS, CHIEF. YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU OR THE APPLICANT. HAVE YOU EVER. AND I TOTALLY CAN BE OFF BASE IN LEFT FIELD HERE,
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BUT WHAT MAKES IT DANGEROUS IS BECAUSE IT'S EXPOSED, UNLIKE A FUEL STATION THAT HAS BURIED TANKS.HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS WHERE THE TANKS COULD BE BURIED AND MAYBE BE LESS VULNERABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DEMOLISHING IT OR. I COME FROM A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA DOWN SOUTH AND THESE KIND OF THINGS ARE COMMON, BUT THEY'RE WELL PLANNED, AND THEY'RE THERE IN AN AREA THAT HAS ALL THE UTILITIES, THE WATER SUPPLY.
THEY'VE KEPT THEM AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREA, POTENTIAL AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY THE PLAN WAS DONE IN A MANNER THAT THAT WAS FOCUSED ON PURE PROTECTION OF NOT JUST THE CITIZENS DOWN THERE, BUT ALSO THE BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AROUND IT, THE ROADWAYS AROUND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PUT THEM DOWN THERE.
I KNOW HOMES HAVE PROPANE TANKS UNDERGROUND FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMES, BUT FOR THIS KIND OF FACILITY, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER. RIGHT. DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF THEY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINANCIAL.
I'M JUST COMING. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO JUST SPITBALLING HERE A LITTLE BIT. IF THEY WERE, DID YOU, WOULD YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT A SUBSTATION IF THAT WAS PART OF THIS SUBSTATION DOWN? I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY COST MORE THAN. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR PROJECT COST, BUT IT WOULD COST US.
THEN I PUT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLAR TRUCK AS AN ENGINE.
IT HAS THE BRUSH TRUCK TO WHERE WE COULD TAKE SOMEONE OFF ONE OF THOSE ENGINES AND MOVE IT, AND IT USUALLY HOUSES A RESCUE TRUCK OR A TRANSPORT VEHICLE, I SHOULD SAY, FROM THE COUNTY FOR ALS TRANSPORT.
SO WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 8 OR 10 PEOPLE IN THERE.
THAT IS OUR THAT'S PROBABLY OUR SMALLEST. GOTCHA.
YEAH. HOW FAR AWAY ARE DO YOU THINK IS THAT YOU'RE WAITING FOR FOR GROWTH BEFORE THAT FIRE STATION IS PUT OUT THERE? THAT I CANNOT ANSWER. THAT'S NOT MY AREA. BUT I KNOW WHEN WHEN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS START TALKING, WE GET BROUGHT INTO IT. AND THEN WE START SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO PUT PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUSINESS THEY'RE THERE TO CONDUCT IS DONE SAFELY.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT THIS AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID. BUT SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT YOU, YOU'RE FOR THIS, BUT NOT UNTIL WE HAVE THE PROPER EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OBVIOUSLY DOWN THERE SO THAT THEY COULD SERVICE THIS IF THERE IS EVER A PROBLEM? IS THAT. IS THAT YOUR THOUGHT? I HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO GROWTH.
THAT'S A DECISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT WHAT I DO HAVE IS AN OPPOSITION TO STUFF HAPPENING THAT DOES NOT FULLY PROTECT THE LIVES OF MY PEOPLE AND THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF THIS CITY. BUT YOU'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, OBVIOUSLY, ONCE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS THERE IN PLACE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO THAT. YEAH, YEAH. NO. SO I JUST, I THINK WE JUST, I THINK WE'VE HEARD HIS, HIS INPUT. I JUST WANT TO LET HIM FINISH IF HE'S INTELLIGENT, MAN, WHATEVER YOU I MEAN, DOES THAT GO AHEAD? AND IF THE CITY COUNCIL SAYS BUILD THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP DOWN THERE AND THEY WANT A FIRE STATION.
I'M THE GUY TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEEDS. RIGHT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WOULD A FIRE HYDRANT BE A SUFFICIENT MITIGATION LIKE IN SOME WAY, SINCE THE PROLIFERATION IT WOULD BE BRUSH FIRES.
IT WOULD BE MORE USEFUL, BUT IT'S STILL WHAT YOU THE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE GPM IS AND PROBABLY OUT IN THAT AREA WOULD PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST 1500 GALLON PER MINUTE JUST TO GET US TO WHERE WE HAVE A WATER CONSTANT SOURCE. BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, AND THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE UNDERGROUND THAT WE DON'T SEE EVERY DAY, IF YOU JUST SAID, GIVE US A HYDRANT. SO WE EXTEND THIS LINE TO THAT LOCATION.
SO WE LOSE WATER PRESSURE AT THE END OF THAT.
SO WHEN WE START TAKING WATER FROM IT. THE GPM GALLONS PER MINUTE THAT ARE COMING OUT OF IT DROPS DRASTICALLY, DRASTICALLY. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LOOP SYSTEM GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR IT TO BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE FOR US.
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OKAY. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD.AT THIS POINT, AFTER HEARING INPUT FROM ALL THE STAFF.
WE NEED A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE THE MOTION IS MADE.
AND IN LISTENING TO CHIEF ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, HE ENUMERATED AT LEAST THREE CONDITIONS, ONLY ONE OF WHICH I BELIEVE I HAVE LISTED IN MY STAFF REPORT.
SO IF THE MOTION THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN CAN BE AMENDED TO ALSO ADD THE.
DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE WITH THE CONDITIONS? NO, I DO NOT.
BUT I CAN READ THEM. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU.
THE FOLLOWING MUST MEET ALL CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 174.042, WHICH SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO STORAGE TANKS. FUEL STORAGE TANKS. INCORPORATION OF THE MINIMUM BUFFER REQUIREMENTS FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AS DESCRIBED IN TABLE 1751. THE PLAT APPLICATION AS THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A SUBDIVISION OF THE PARCEL, WHICH HAS BEEN SPLIT ONCE BEFORE AND ONCE A LOT IS SPLIT MORE THAN TWICE.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PLAT TO ALLOW THE INDUSTRIAL USE ON A RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNED ROADWAY.
THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS STATED THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE, PURSUANT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL FOR UPGRADING AND HARDENING THE RESIDENTIAL AND COLLECTOR ROADWAYS LEADING TO THE SUBJECT PARCEL TO THE ARTERIAL ROADWAY CROSS SECTION REQUIREMENTS WITH AN EQUAL OR GREATER PAVEMENT STRUCTURAL NUMBER, A WILDFIRE MANAGEMENT AND VEGETATION MAINTENANCE PLAN APPROVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
A ROADWAY AND DRIVEWAY IMPROVEMENT PLAN IDENTIFIED AS NECESSARY BY THE CITY ENGINEER.
LIMITS ON TRUCK ROUTING TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
RESTRICTIONS ON THE NUMBER OF TRUCK TRIPS OR HOURS OF OPERATION IF NEEDED TO MITIGATE IMPACTS, ONGOING VEGETATION MAINTENANCE AROUND THE TANK AND ACCESS ROADS.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR I WASN'T AWARE OF THE CONDITIONS. CAN WE SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPER? TO THE APPLICANT AGAIN, AND SEE IF HE'S EVEN AWARE OF THESE CONDITIONS? I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW HE FEELS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. THAT'S ALL.
IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR. SURE. I AM AWARE OF SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
THE FIRE. THE FOR THE FIRE HYDRANT, THEY'RE GOING TO DIG A WELL AND INSTALL A FIRE HYDRANT.
THE TANK ITSELF IS SURROUNDED BY CRASH POLES BY NFPA 58 CODE.
THERE'S SEVEN FEET, THREE FEET IN THE GROUND, FOUR FEET HIGH.
SCHEDULE 80 PIPE 15IN CIRCUMFERENCE ON THE. ON THE BOTTOM WITH THREE FEET DEEP OF CONCRETE, THE. THE POST IS FILLED WITH CONCRETE. IT WILL TAKE A TANK TO MOVE ONE OF THOSE AND THEY'RE FOUR FEET APART, SO IF A VEHICLE HIT IT, IT WILL STOP THE VEHICLE DEAD ON US.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WELL AND ELECTRIC IS GOING TO BE GENERATOR.
WE'RE SAW LIGHTING FOR NIGHT TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A 306? WILL IT WILL IT PENETRATE THE TANK OUT THERE? I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN'T TELL YOU. OKAY. THE MICROPHONE.
OH, SORRY. YEAH. YEAH. I'M NOT. I'M NOT SURE IF A 36 WILL GO THROUGH THAT.
NEVER TRIED IT, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT WOULD OR NOT.
DON'T ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY IT. IT'S NOT LIKE IN THE MOVIES WHEN THEY SHOOT A TANK, IT EXPLODES.
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THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. THAT'S ONLY ON TV. IF THEY SHOOT IT, THE HOLE IS GOING TO COME OUT. PROPANE IS GOING TO COME UP. LIQUID PROPANE.YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT AN EXPLODE. THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD EXPLODE IF IT WAS ARMOR PIERCING BULLETS WHERE TRACER YOU KNOW, TRACER BULLETS. SO IN THE ARMY. SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. SO LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
AS FAR AS TO THE EXPERT OVER THERE IS I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM ABOVE GROUND, BUT I MEAN, OUR IN GROUND, IS THERE ANY WAY THOSE COULD BE PLACED UNDERGROUND FOR SAFETY REASONS? I HAVE SEEN THEM IN GROUND. AS A MATTER OF FACT, DISNEY WORLD HAS IN-GROUND TANKS THE SAME SIZE.
MR. CHAIR, I HAD A QUESTION. I ASKED FOR BOTH.
I GUESS I CAN ASK I CAN ASK YOU FIRST. WHY ARE YOU REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED UNDER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
WHEN PREVIOUSLY WE WERE TOLD THAT YOU WERE ONLY SEEKING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WE ARE ONLY.
WE. THEY MADE THE CHOICE, THE END USER THAT THEY WANTED TO GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
YEAH. AND REQUEST THE CUP. THEY DIDN'T THINK GOING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WAS.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. BUT I'M SURE WE'D HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE DID THE ZONING AMENDMENT.
YEAH. BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE A LIST OF THE USES WE'D BE LOOKING AT.
LET'S SAY WE SAY NO TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE. YES.
WHAT HAPPENS? I'LL LET YOUR ATTORNEY SPEAK TO THAT.
MR. CHAIR, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT. SO AT THIS POINT, THIS IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.
SO YOU'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
ULTIMATELY IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF THINGS THERE ARE, THERE'S.
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE COMP PLAN IS APPROVED.
THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED.
THEN YOU MOVE ON TO ZONING. ONCE THE ZONING IS APPROVED THEN YOU MOVE ON TO, WELL WHAT ARE THE ALLOWED USES? AND THE REASON THIS APPLICATION IS BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE A, THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO BRING ALL THREE APPLICATIONS AT THE SAME TIME WITHOUT WAITING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE FIRST TWO USES WERE APPROVED.
AND THIRD, BECAUSE THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT LISTED AMONGST THE ENUMERATED ALLOWED BY RIGHT USES FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND IN WHICH CASE. THE THE ZONING IS SET. THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS SET.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR USE COULD NOT HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT OTHER USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
SO WHETHER IT'S DENIAL, APPROVAL OR NOTHING. SO TO ANSWER FROM OUR STANDPOINT, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'LL RESERVE MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT SURE.
THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YEAH. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
APOLOGIES. APPROVE T26-000 FOR A CORRECTION. CU25-00008 PALM BAY.
BULK PLANT ON THE CONDITION THAT THEY INSTALL WELL FOR THE HYDRANTS, THEY INSTALL THE CRASH POLES.
THERE THERE WILL BE A BUFFER THAT MEETS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL STANDARD.
THERE WILL BE A GENERATOR ON SITE FOR SOLAR LIGHTING AND POWER.
YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING ALL CONDITIONS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
NO, THAT WASN'T ALL CONDITIONS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IT WAS A FEW OF THE CONDITIONS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
ONE, TWO, THREE. IT WAS FIVE OF THEM COMPARED TO PROBABLY ABOUT THE EIGHT STAFF HAD.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT WITH A WITH A SLIGHT CHANGE OR MAYBE A BIG CHANGE, YOU CAN SECOND IT AND YOU CAN OFFER A CHANGE.
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MR. FILIBERTO WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO THE CHANGE BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION.SO GO AHEAD. SO I WHAT I'D LIKE TO CHANGE IS TO GO WITH ALL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINAL APPROVAL BY THE FIRE, FIRE CHIEF. FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
MR. FILIBERTO, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THE AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW MY MOTION THEN.
IF MR. CATALANO WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION. YEAH.
MR. CATALANO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? BASICALLY THE SAME MOTION THAT WE GO BY ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINAL APPROVAL BY THE FIRE CHIEF OF THIS, THE WHOLE BASICALLY EVERYTHING HE PRESENTED TONIGHT THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY BASED ON HIS FULL RECOMMENDATION.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE SAFE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YES. WITH ALL THE FIRE CHIEF'S RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE FIRE CHIEF.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT OR NOT, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YEAH. IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. SO. THE PROPER ORDER OF THINGS IS THAT THE BOARD MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
SO ALTHOUGH THE FIRE CHIEF CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE HIS PERSPECTIVE AND HIS TECHNICAL ADVICE, WHICH HE HAS DONE FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT HE DOES NOT HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY, RIGHT, SO TO SPEAK.
SO I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE PART OF THE MOTION.
RIGHT. SO, MR. CATALANO, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN SAY THAT YOUR MOTION CAN BE TO APPROVE WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS AND THE INCLUSION OF THE FIRE CHIEF'S REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD THEN VOTE ON IT.
THAT'S THE BEST, I THINK THAT YOU. YES. WHAT YOU WHAT YOU SAID.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? HEARING NONE. THEN THERE IS. THEN THAT MOTION DIES.
IS THERE ANY MOTION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE MADE ON THIS ITEM? MOTION TO DENY CU25-00008 PALM BAY BULK PLANT.
OKAY. AND I'M SORRY, MR. MCNALLY. RIGHT? YES, SIR.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION TO DENY. SECOND, THAT IS SECONDED BY MR. WARNER. IT IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD BEFORE WE VOTE? YEAH, I THE SAME SAME THING, MR. CHAIR. THE SAME THING MR. MCNALLY WAS SAYING WAS. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE NEW STUFF CAME OUT AFTER THE FIRST TWO VOTES.
SO IT'S IT'S LIKE ALMOST NEW INFORMATION. CHIEF'S GOT ME SHOOK.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I ALSO WANT TO ASK YOUR PERSONAL OPINION IF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT, BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT, BUT I'LL, I'LL RESERVE IT ONE DAY.
IF I JOIN SOCIAL MEDIA, I'LL SAY IT THERE. BUT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE GROWTH IN THE COMPOUND.
WHATSOEVER. BUT THERE ARE BETTER THINGS TO PROCEED.
A PROJECT LIKE THIS WHEN THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA.
MAYBE THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION THERE, BUT. AGREE WITH ENTIRELY IF IF WHAT HE GETS IS OUT THERE, AMAZING. DO IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, NO, BUT I GUESS THAT'S MORE PERSONAL.
BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. YEAH. THE BECAUSE THE MOTION THAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD RIGHT NOW AND THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. I THINK I'M HEARING BUT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONFIRM THIS, THAT, THAT THE MOTION IS BASED ON CONCERNS OUT OF HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, OR IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, PLEASE ARTICULATE THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT IS HELPFUL. I'LL ADD. SORRY.
YEAH. IT'S IT'S BASED ON THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.
OKAY. MR. WARNER, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO AMENDING THE MOTION? THAT WAS MY OWN MOTION. YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS YOUR MOTION, I APOLOGIZE. MR.
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MCNALLY'S AMENDING HIS MOTION OR CLARIFYING HIS MOTION, THAT IT IS ON THE GROUNDS OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT SINCE YOU WERE THE SECONDING PARTY? YEAH.I MEAN, OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THE GROUNDS OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE DESIGNATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? NAY NAY NAY. THREE. THREE.
OKAY. SO YOU YOU'RE VOTING DOWN THE MOTION TO DENY.
TO DENY A. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TRY. YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S GO DOWN. LET'S GO DOWN THE. THE MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS TO DENY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THE GROUNDS OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. AND I'M GOING TO ASK MY ATTORNEY, KEEP ME, KEEP ME HONEST.
AM I SAYING THIS CORRECT? I THAT IS WHAT I HEARD PREVIOUSLY.
YES, SIR. OKAY. I MYSELF, I AM IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY MR. WARNER IN FAVOR TO DENY. OKAY. MR. CATALANO. NAY.
OKAY. MR. FILIBERTO. NAY, MR. HIGGINS IS NOT HERE.
MR. MCNALLY, I AND MR. NORRIS, I. ALL RIGHT. 4 TO 2.
THANK YOU. IT IS 907. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE HOURS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES FOR A RESTROOM BREAK, AND THEN WE WILL BE BACK.
ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING BACK INTO SESSION.
BILL, YOU'RE GOING TO STICK WITH US TILL THE END I JUST GOT TO GET THIS LAST ONE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM NUMBER T26-0000 FOR BUILDING HEIGHT RELIEF.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. SO THE FINAL NOT THE FINAL ITEM.
THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT IS A STAFF INITIATED APPLICATION FOR A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 17173, WHICH IS THE ZONING TABLE AND THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS TABLE. THERE WAS NOT A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE.
WE DID ADVERTISE THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, AND THE CODE DOES REQUIRE PLANNING ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
JUST TO EXPLAIN, THIS IS ACTUALLY PROPOSING TWO CHANGES THAT ARE RELATED TO HOSPITALS AND LICENSED FACILITIES AS DEFINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
AND ONE OF THEM, THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC.
PSP IS ONE OF THE LAND USES ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND IT SHOWS THAT SOME OF THE IDEAL FACILITIES WOULD BE GOVERNMENT OWNED FACILITIES, CHURCHES, CLUBS, LODGES, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES.
HOWEVER, IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STRANGELY, IN INSTITUTIONAL USES WHICH ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE, WE HAVE IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE LAST APPLICATION, YOU I'M SURE, GET THAT A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A HOSPITAL IN AN INSTITUTIONAL USE DISTRICT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT WE WANT TO CORRECT THAT NOW TO MAKE HOSPITALS AND LICENSED FACILITIES AS DEFINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES PERMITTED OUTRIGHT IN THE INSTITUTIONAL USE ZONING DISTRICT. THE OTHER CHANGE WE WANT TO RECOMMEND TONIGHT WITH REGARD TO HOSPITALS AND LICENSED FACILITIES, AS DEFINED IN FLORIDA STATUTES 395 WE WANT TO CONTEMPLATE AND ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO
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MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE TO REVIEW REQUESTS FOR ANY RELIEF FROM ADDITIONAL HEIGHT FOR THESE TYPES OF USES.AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY FOR HOSPITALS. AND WE LEARNED STAFF LEARNED THIS AS WE MET WITH THE HOSPITAL STAFF ABOUT THEIR EXPANSION. WE LEARNED AND STARTED PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO TO A HOSPITAL FOR AN MRI.
YOU KNOW HOW HUGE THAT EQUIPMENT IS. WELL, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER THAT EQUIPMENT, MOVE THAT EQUIPMENT INTO THE BUILDING. AND IN SOME CASES, BEYOND JUST FITTING THE EQUIPMENT ON A FLOOR, THERE ARE CERTAIN DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE FOR HOSPITALS IN FLORIDA.
AND IN SOME CASES, I WOULD SAY, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
IN MOST CASES, YOUR AVERAGE BUILDING HAS A FLOOR HEIGHT OF 10 TO 12FT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN FOR HOSPITALS, THEY'RE BUILDING TYPES FOR DIFFERENT USES, SAY A HOSPITAL PATIENT FLOOR. THEY'RE TYPICALLY LOOKING TO HAVE IT 15 TO 18FT TALL.
SURGICAL ROOMS WAS THE ONE THING THAT CAME UP AS WE MET WITH THE HOSPITAL.
SURGICAL ROOMS, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE MAKING THIS TYPE.
THESE TYPES OF USES EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW, RATHER THAN PROCEEDING WITH REQUIRING A A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S PART OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS, WHICH IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OUR REGULATORY STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE. SO WITH THAT, HOPEFULLY THAT'S ENOUGH EXPLANATION FOR THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING TONIGHT, WHICH ARE RELATED TO TWO TABLES IN THE ZONING CODE, CHAPTER 173.
FIRST, MAKING A CHANGE TO ALLOW HOSPITALS BY RIGHT IN INSTITUTIONAL USE, AND ALSO GIVING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE AUTHORITY TO CONTEMPLATE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT FOR USES SUCH AS HOSPITALS AND THOSE DEFINED IN FLORIDA STATUTES.
CHAPTER 395. AND WE PUT THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN BECAUSE YOU MAY GET A CLINIC, OR YOU MAY GET OTHER USES WHO MAY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIED IN THIS SECTION OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES, HAVING TO ADHERE TO THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF? I'LL ASK ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEAH.
SO AT FIRST IT WAS JUST FOR HOSPITALS. BUT IN THE FUTURE YOU ALSO WANT THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO APPROVE OTHER ITEMS WITHIN L, I, H, I, I, U AND COMMERCIAL. NO NO NO.
THE ONLY CHANGE THAT'S BEING MADE IS IN THE INSTITUTIONAL USE.
OKAY. WHEREVER IT'S BLANK, IT'S PROHIBITED. ALL RIGHT.
SO THE ONLY CHANGE WE'RE MAKING IS WHAT STRICKEN THROUGH OR UNDERLINED.
UNDERSTOOD. SO THE HOSPITALS WILL BE FOR FOR RIGHT NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
WHAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE THAT YOU WANTED PASSED? OKAY. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT. SO HERE IS THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS TABLE FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL USE ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL AS OTHERS. BUT SPECIFICALLY IN INSTITUTIONAL USE.
WHAT WE'RE ADDING IS JUST AN ASTERISK THAT ALLOWS RELIEF REQUEST FOR RELIEF, ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDING HEIGHT ONLY IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT AND SPECIFICALLY FOR USES AS DEFINED IN FLORIDA STATUTES AND HOSPITALS. BASICALLY IN HOSPITALS OR IN ALL INDUSTRIAL USE, INSTITUTIONAL USE, ALL INSTITUTIONAL USE.
I GOT YOU. OKAY. FOR. FOR THE USES SPECIFIED AS DEFINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES. I'M SAYING HOSPITALS SPECIFICALLY, BUT SOMETIMES YOU MAY HAVE A FACILITY THAT'S NOT A HOSPITAL.
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IT'S CALLED SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT IS IF IT IS DEFINED IN THAT SECTION OF FLORIDA STATUTES AS A LICENSED FACILITY OF THIS TYPE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM. SURE.
SORRY. I'M LOOKING UP THIS FLORIDA STATUTE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. HEARING NONE.
HE SAID INSTITUTIONAL USE. NO. YES. THAT IS THE THE NAME OF THE DISTRICT.
THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND AGAIN, AS I POINTED OUT THE FUTURE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY WOULD BE PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC AND THE COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO OUR ELDERS WOULD BE INSTITUTIONAL USE. AND THE INSTITUTIONAL OR PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC USE IS CONTEMPLATED INCLUDES HOSPITALS.
ARE YOU HAVING HELP ME HELP YOU? ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEMS WITH US CHANGING HOSPITALS FROM CONDITIONAL USE TO PERMITTED USE? ME PERSONALLY. NO, NO. THE BOARD AS A WHOLE. NO, I THINK I THINK THE QUESTION IS.
AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISCHARACTERIZING YOUR QUESTION, THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT AN INSTITUTIONAL USE, OTHER THAN A HOSPITAL THAT WANTS TO GO ABOVE 40FT, WOULD NOT NEED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD IF WE DO THIS CHANGE OTHER THAN A HOSPITAL AS DEFINED IN THAT STATUTE.
IT WOULD BE CONTEMPLATED. THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO APPROVE IT.
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK I'M. I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG AND I DON'T WANT TO TESTIFY FOR STAFF, BUT I THINK THERE. THERE ARE TWO CHANGES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU.
NUMBER ONE IS TO CHANGE THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES AS APPLIED TO HOSPITALS SO THAT HOSPITALS THAT FALL UNDER THAT PARTICULAR ZONING THAT COME IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
IT'LL JUST BE ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN CONSTRUCT A HOSPITAL IS ONE THING.
THE HEIGHT OF THE HOSPITAL IS ANOTHER THING. AND SO THERE'S ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE BULK AND DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, WHICH IS IN A DIFFERENT CHART. AND THAT ALLOWS CERTAIN FACILITIES TO REQUEST ALMOST LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE VARIANCE TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT MAXIMUM 40FT HEIGHT BECAUSE OF REQUIREMENTS THAT I BELIEVE OPERATING ROOMS NEED TO BE A CERTAIN. SURE. I THINK WE JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT PAINTING WITH TOO BROAD A BRUSH IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A HOSPITAL.
IT'S. IT'S HOW WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO START.
QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T WANT. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP IN.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS MORE EFFICIENT.
AND MAYBE I'M USING TOO MANY WORDS TO EVEN SAY THIS.
SO NO, NO, I JUST I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
ONLY BASICALLY ONLY SECTION 395.002 DEFINES LICENSED FACILITIES AS ONLY TWO THINGS HOSPITALS AND AMBULATORY SURGICAL CARE CENTERS. PERFECT.
THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. OKAY, I APOLOGIZE, YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT, SO YEAH, IT WASN'T COMING UP. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT THAT WAS.
OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.
YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. WAIT. TEN MORE QUESTIONS.
RIGHT, RIGHT. JUST KIDDING. I DID KEEP THE SPEAKERS.
MIGHT I ENCOURAGE MY BOARD TO READ THE STAFF REPORTS? ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION FROM THE BOARD.
MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE HAS BEEN MADE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SHOULD OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. PLEASE DO SO.
IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. WARNER, FOR KEEPING ME STRAIGHT.
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YOU DID EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING, MR. MCNALLY.YOU WERE THE ONE. NO. SORRY, MR. NORRIS, YOU MADE THE MOTION, I APOLOGIZE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? SECONDED BY MR. MCNALLY.
ALL. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I, I I.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND WE'VE GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.
OH, LORD, I WAS SO EXCITED. YOU'RE KIDDING ME.
YOU CAN CONTINUE IT. I DIDN'T READ THIS COMING.
YOU CAN. SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AND CONTINUE THAT OTHER BUSINESS ITEM.
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE OTHER BUSINESS. DO YOU WANT TO TABLE IT OR DO YOU WANT TO SET IT FOR A DATE? CERTAIN. SET IT FOR NEXT MONTH. PLEASE SET IT FOR NEXT MONTH.AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY.
I GUESS.
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