Aug 20, 2026 Council Meetings - Regular

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IT IS NOW 1800 HOURS. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

[CALL TO ORDER:]

PLEASE RISE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MEDINA AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO HAVE THE OPENING PRAYER TONIGHT.

I FELT LIKE I WAS LED OF THE LORD TODAY TO READ FROM ONE PSALM 133 AND VERSE ONE IT SAYS, BEHOLD, HOW GOOD AND HOW PLEASANT IT IS FOR BRETHREN TO DWELL TOGETHER IN UNITY.

LET US ALL PRAY. THANK YOU, DEAR LORD. WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND FOR YOUR MERCIES.

AND LORD, WE COME WITH BOLDNESS BEFORE YOUR THRONE TONIGHT.

AND GOD, YOU KNOW THAT THESE CHAMBERS ARE PLACES OF CONFLICT.

THERE ARE PLACES OF GREAT DEBATE, PLACES WHERE THE HARD DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE.

AND GOD, WE JUST PRAY THAT THROUGH IT ALL THAT THERE WILL BE A SPIRIT OF UNITY UNIFIED TOGETHER.

OH LORD, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE THIS GREAT CITY EVEN GREATER.

WE LOVE YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND FOR THE SERVICE OF THESE COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN.

WE JUST PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE.

WE PRAY GOD THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH US IN ALL THINGS.

WE ARE NOTHING WITHOUT YOUR TOUCH. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD PUT YOUR HAND UPON OUR COMMUNITY.

PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. BE WITH OUR SPECIAL SERVICES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR EDUCATORS. GOD, WE JUST NEED YOU IN ALL THINGS.

ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH US.

LEAD US AND GUIDE US IN THE RIGHT PATHS. AND WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE AND ALL THE GLORY.

AND EVERYONE SAY AMEN. AMEN. NOW CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE THE KIDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. OKAY. OH, AS YOU WERE.

AUSTIN, EVERYBODY GET YOUR WHOLE TEAM TO COME UP HERE.

GRAYSON. Y'ALL ARE GOING TO LEAVE. COME ON, GUYS.

RIGHT. RIGHT BEHIND THE MICROPHONE AS YOU WERE IN FRONT OF THE MIC.

GET RIGHT. BRING. BRING THE. WOULD YOU HELP HIM? JONATHAN. BRING THE STAND DOWN. SO THEY GOT THE MIC.

I LIKE ALL THE KIDS TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

LEAH. LEAH. LEAH, TAKE YOUR HAND OFF. YOU KNOW THE DRILL, GUYS.

RIGHT? COME ON. YOU'RE GOING TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

OKAY. Y'ALL GOOD? CARRY ON. TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HURRAH! OUTSTANDING GUYS. THANK YOU. WAY BETTER THAN ME.

YEAH. THANK YOU. MIKE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMER IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

I LOVE THAT COACH SAMMY. OKAY, MADAM JONES, ROLL CALL.

MAYOR. MEDINA. PRESENT. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. PRESENT.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN HAMMER PRESENT.

COUNCILMAN LANDRUM WILL BE A LITTLE LATE, MR. MORTON. PRESENT, MISS SMITH. PRESENT. HEY, GUYS.

I'M GOING TO. I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU PIPE IT DOWN A BIT AND SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF DECORUM.

THERE IT IS ON THE VISION SCREEN. SO I JUST NEED TO HAVE ORDER IN THIS IN THESE CHAMBERS.

OKAY. SO WE'RE NOW ON AGENDA REVISIONS. MR. MORTON.

[AGENDA REVISIONS:]

OKAY. THANK YOU, MRS. JONES. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I WAS HOPING THAT WE WERE GOING TO RECEIVE THE ELECTION RESULTS, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM YET, SO WE WILL NEED TO WITHDRAW ITEM NUMBER FIVE UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AND IT WILL BE RESCHEDULED TO A FUTURE SPECIAL MEETING.

THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH. DO YOU HAVE ANY REVISIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY REVISIONS? YES, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER SIX TO BE HEARD AFTER PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS.

SO BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. CORRECT. SECOND.

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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? GENTLEMAN SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS. AND BOY, DO I AM I EXCITED ABOUT THESE WINNERS HERE.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE SUPERSTARS AMONG US.

THESE. THESE CHILDREN ARE LEADERS. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, I LOVE BASEBALL.

JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE INDIVIDUALS WENT OUT TO THE FIELD OF DREAMS. THEY WENT, AS YOU KNOW, THE FIELD OF DREAMS. BUILD IT AND THEY SHALL COME.

WELL, OUR CHILDREN WENT THERE AND THEY CONQUERED.

AND I'M SO PROUD OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.

HEY, KIDS, SHOW YOUR RINGS. SHOW YOUR RINGS. ISN'T THAT SOMETHING? SO AS A CITY, WE WANT TO EXACTLY DO AND HIGHLIGHT THEIR SUCCESS.

WE'RE PROVIDING CERTIFICATES OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR THEM AS WELL.

BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE COACH SAMMY COME UP AND SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT WHEN I PLAYED BASEBALL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DREAM FOR ME TO PLAY ON THAT FIELD, LET ALONE GO AND PLAY AND WIN AND BEAT NINE OTHER TEAMS. AM I CORRECT? NINE. TEN. IT'S AMAZING THAT OUR LOCAL CHILDREN HERE FROM OUR COUNTY AND OUR VERY OWN PALM BAY.

COME OVER HERE. WHERE ARE YOU? GRAYSON. GRAYSON.

GRAYSON. JAFFE. MY MAN. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE'S A LITTLE BOY WENT OUT THERE AND.

AND THIS GUY CAN PITCH. THIS GUY CAN PITCH. AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU, GRAYSON, I REALLY AM.

GOD BLESS YOU, BUDDY. GO AHEAD, COACH, COME ON UP.

THANK YOU. I WAS NOT EXPECTED TO SPEAK TODAY, SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

MR. MEDINA, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. YEAH, WINNING WAS GREAT GOING OUT THERE AND HAVING THIS EXPERIENCE WITH THE KIDS, SOMETHING THEY'LL ALWAYS HAVE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. THE MEMORIES JUST WINNING, PLAYING TOGETHER, JUST BEING TOGETHER, CREATING THOSE MEMORIES NONSTOP WAS AWESOME.

WINNING JUST WAS ICING ON THE CAKE. THAT AND THE TRIP TO WRIGLEY FIELD.

AFTER THAT, ALL THESE GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO GO SEE WRIGLEY FIELD, WATCH THE CUBS PLAY.

IN MY HOMETOWN WHERE I GREW UP. IT WAS VERY SPECIAL TO ME. SO THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU PARENTS. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER, LIKE IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND WE JUST KEPT ON GOING AND SOMEHOW IT HAPPENED.

AND IT'S AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT FOR EVERYBODY. SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. SO THANK YOU. GREAT JOB.

GIVE IT UP FOR THE. GUYS. Y'ALL WANT TO COME DOWN HERE SO WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE. COME ON. LET'S ALL GET TOGETHER.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE. COME ON.

RIGHT HERE. ALL RIGHT. COME ON. GET CLOSER, GUYS.

COME ON. GENTLEMEN. YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE.

YOU SHOULD BE BEHIND GREAT PLAYERS. LIKE FOR THE PLAYERS.

THANK YOU MAN. LIKE, WHO'S THE COACH? YOU I DON'T WANT THEM TO SEE YOU.

COME ON. COME ON. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. LET'S DO IT.

FEEL THE DREAM. CHAMPIONS. ONE. TWO. THREE. YEAH! SHOW YOUR RINGS, GUYS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

IT'S AWESOME. HEY, GUYS. HEY, AUSTIN. GOOD STUFF, GOOD STUFF.

HEY. GREAT JOB, CHAMP. ALL RIGHT. FALLING OFF.

YEAH. YEAH. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS.

CONGRATULATIONS. HEY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU AGAIN. YEAH.

I WASN'T TRYING TO TAKE YOU OUT. THAT'S THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

YEAH. I'M READY. OKAY. NEXT UP, WE HAVE OUR MAYOR'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT.

I'M GOING TO CALL UP THE BUSINESS OWNERS OF EMPIRE PAINTING.

COME ON UP. HEY, DANIELLE.

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COME ON OVER. THESE GUYS. ARE YOU? I'M JUST SHY, MAN.

THIS IS YOUR DAY, MAN. SO, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW WE WE STARTED THIS MAYOR'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT TO HIGHLIGHT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES WITHIN PALM BAY.

AND TO THIS, THIS TIME IT'S BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

THEY'VE INCREASED THEIR BUSINESSES. THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON OUR WEBSITE AND WE HIGHLIGHT THEIR BUSINESS AND WE HOPE THAT THEY INCREASE AND THEY HIRE ADDITIONAL PALM BAY. RIGHT. SO IT IS HEREBY RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS, EMPIRE PAINTING AND EPOXY IS RECOGNIZED AS THE MAYOR'S BUSINESS SPOTLIGHT PROGRAM RECIPIENT FOR THE THIRD QUARTER OF THE YEAR 2026 FOR ITS OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO PALM BAY TO THE PALM BAY BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS, EMPIRE PAINTING, LOCATED AT 1555 NORMAN STREET, SOUTHWEST, HAS PROUDLY SERVED THE COMMUNITY FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS, ESTABLISHING ITSELF AS A TRUSTED AND VALUED LOCAL BUSINESS.

AND WHEREAS, EMPIRE PAINTING IS A FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED TRANSFORMATIONAL COMPANY SPECIALIZING IN INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR PAINTING, CUSTOM EPOXY FLOORING AND COUNTERTOPS, GARAGE FLOORS, PATIOS, DRIVEWAYS, CABINETS, CONCRETE RESTORATION, AND OTHER SPECIALTY FINISHINGS. YOU'RE YOU'RE A ONE STOP SHOP IN CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? THAT'S AWESOME MAN. THAT'S AWESOME. WHEREAS EMPIRE PAINTING HAS DEMONSTRATED CONTINUED GROWTH IN BOTH REVENUE AND THE SIZE OF SCOPE OF ITS PROJECTS, EXPANDING FROM A LOCAL SERVICE PROVIDER TO SERVING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT BREVARD COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND WHEREAS, THROUGH ITS COMMITMENT TO EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE AND CUSTOMER SATISFACTION, EMPIRE PAINT PAINTING AND EPOXY HAS MAINTAINED HIGH RATING SERVICE ACROSS MULTIPLE PLATFORMS. RECEIVED HONORABLE MENTION RECOGNIZED IN THE GUIDE OF FLORIDA'S 2025 BEST OF FLORIDA FOR PAINTING CONTRACTORS. WHEREAS, EMPIRE PAINTING HAS DEMONSTRATED AN OUTSTANDING CORPORATE CITIZENSHIP THROUGH ACTIVE PARTICIPATION DONATIONS, SPONSORSHIPS, SUPPORTING COMMUNITY EVENTS, CHARITABLE INITIATIVES INCLUDING SPLASH INTO SCHOOL EVENT, BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THE MERRITT ISLAND 4TH OF JULY PARADE AND OTHER LOCAL NETWORKING AND COMMUNITY EVENTS.

WHEREAS, EMPIRE PAINTING DEMONSTRATES INNOVATION THROUGH ITS COMBINATION OF HIGH LEVEL CRAFTSMANSHIP, CUSTOMER CUSTOMER RESTORATIONS, OR CUSTOM CUSTOM CUSTOM CUSTOMIZATIONS, RESTORATION AND CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING, PROVING CUSTOMERS AND PROVIDING THEM WITH A UNIQUE OPTIONS THAT GO BEYOND TRADITIONAL FINISHES WHILE HELPING THEM PRESERVE AND RE-IMAGE REIMAGING WHAT THEY ALREADY OWN. THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE EMPIRE PAINTING AND APPROXI AS THE CITY OF PALM BAY'S THIRD QUARTER OF THE YEAR.

BUSINESS OF THE YEAR. MAYOR SPOTLIGHT PROGRAM AND WITNESS.

HERE HAVE I SET MY HAND ON THIS DATE, AND I DECLARE IT BE SO.

CONGRATULATIONS, MIKE. COME ON UP. SAY A FEW WORDS.

HELLO, EVERYBODY. I DON'T REALLY DO A PUBLIC SPEAKING, BUT I'M MICHAEL O'MALLEY.

I OWN EMPIRE PAINTING AND EPOXY. THIS IS DESIREE, MY OTHER HALF.

SHE DOES MY MY DIGITAL MARKETING SIDE. THIS IS GABRIELA.

SHE'S SHE'S THE, SHE'S THE REAL BOSS. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR, THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND, AND TO THE COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY.

WELL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PUT YOUR WIFE. PUT YOUR WIFE.

SHE GOES. SHE GOES.

ONE. TWO. THREE. YEAH.

CONGRATULATIONS. I'M SORRY. I'M REALLY.

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I HEARD SOMEONE SAY I'M IN A MEETING. HEY I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW I RECENTLY ABOUT TWO GOING ON THREE YEARS NOW I BECAME BALD, AND SO NOW I SWEAT A LOT MORE BECAUSE I HAVE NO HAIR.

SO MY THE COUNCIL, MY COUNCILMAN HE, HE BLESSED ME WITH THIS PAPER TOWEL TO TELL ME, HEY, YOU'RE SWEATING TOO MUCH. SO ANYWAY, I DIGRESS.

OKAY, I'M CALLING UP WHERE ARE YOU LADIES? WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY.

COME ON UP, MATE. ALL, ALL THE LADIES. COME ON UP.

IT'S WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY. AUGUST 26TH. AUGUST 26TH. BUT WE WON'T MEET. SO WE'RE DOING IT TODAY.

COME ON UP, LADIES. OH. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OUR OUR WOMEN LEADERS REALLY IMPRESSED. WE HAVE JOANIE DEPAULO THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY'S ONLY 60 SOME YEARS OLD, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE JONI DEPAULO THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR 45 YEARS AS AN EMPLOYEE.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? SO MOST OF YOU WERE PROBABLY WEREN'T EVEN BORN WHEN JONI STARTED WORKING HERE.

BUT SHE STARTED WHEN THEY ALLOWED CHILDREN TO WORK FOR THE CITY.

WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY, IN CONJUNCTION WITH CELEBRATING AMERICA'S 250TH BIRTHDAY, IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT WHEREAS, AS THE NATION IS CELEBRATING AMERICA'S 250TH ANNIVERSARY AND WHEREAS, WOMEN'S HISTORY IS RECOGNIZED AS ESSENTIAL FOR UNDERSTANDING THE COURAGEOUS COMPLEXITY OF OUR NATION, KNOWING THESE WOMEN'S STORIES PROVIDES ESSENTIAL ROLE MODELS FOR EVERYONE.

COME ON UP HERE, YOUNG LADY. YES, MA'AM. WHEREAS LEARNING ABOUT WOMEN'S TENACITY, COURAGE, AND CREATIVITY THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES IS A TREMENDOUS SOURCE OF STRENGTH.

ROLE MODELS ARE GENUINELY NEEDED TO FACE THE EXTRAORDINARY CHALLENGES AND UNRELENTING CHALLENGES, IN PARTICULAR THE 21ST CENTURY. AND WHEREAS WOMEN, AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE CONTINUOUSLY WORKED TO GAIN FULL RIGHTS RESPONSIBILITIES PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, LEGAL OR INSTITUTIONAL.

AND WHEREAS CONGRESS HAS DESIGNATED AUGUST 26TH, THE DATE OF THE 19TH AMENDMENT ENFRANCHISING WOMEN WERE CERTIFIED AS WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY, RECOGNIZING WOMEN'S EQUALITY EQUALITY DAY AS A DAY OF CELEBRATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF WOMEN'S WORK TOWARDS DEMOCRACY.

NOW THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY, SAID, ALL OF US DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AUGUST 26TH, 2026 AS WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL THE CITIZENS, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CELEBRATION OF OUR NATION'S 250TH BIRTHDAY.

TO COMMEMORATE WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY AS A NATIONAL DAY OF CELEBRATING THE IMPORTANCE OF WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE MOVEMENT AND WOMEN'S WORK TO SECURE. AND EXPAND EQUAL RIGHTS. TODAY I HAVE HERE SET MY HAND AND SET THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED ON THIS 20TH DAY OF AUGUST 2026.

WHO'S RECEIVING THE PROCLAMATION? OH, DON'T. ALL JUST WENT.

OH, JOHNNY. JOHNNY. I THOUGHT MY DAY WAS GOING TOO.

WHY IS MY EGG ALL THE WAY OVER THERE? OKAY. COPY THAT.

WELL, JOANIE, COME ON UP. OH, I'M NOT SAYING.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO SAY. I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, AND I'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE DEPARTMENT, AND THE CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN REALLY GOOD TO ALL OF US CIVILIANS.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY. AND SO EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO THANK EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. SO JOHNNY, JOHNNY, JOHNNY, WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED, RIGHT.

YEAH. WAS THIS LIKE MAYBERRY? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, YEAH.

CAN YOU TELL THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE JAIL CELL AND HOW, HOW YOUR OFFICE WAS? YOU COULD JUST WALK RIGHT IN INTO THE JAIL CELL.

AND WE HAD IT WAS OPEN TO US. AND ACTUALLY THE RECORDS WAS THE RANGE AND IT WAS IN THE BUILDING AND WE USED TO SMOKE IN THE BUILDING

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KIM. OKAY. YEAH. OH, WOW. SHE KNOWS HOW IT WAS.

WOW. IT WAS PRETTY WILD. THEY USED TO PUT THE RED LIGHT ON.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS NEXT TO US. CITY HALL WAS ACROSS THE STREET. IF WE HAD A PASS, IF WE HAD TO CROSS PALM BAY ROAD, THEY'D TURN THE LIGHT ON FOR US SO WE COULD CROSS THE ROAD.

SO PALM BAY WAS A TWO LANE AT THAT TIME? YEAH.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. IT WAS. SO THE JAIL CELL, THE JAIL CELL WOULD HOLD THE TOWN DRUNK OR.

YEAH. YEAH. AND WHO WAS THAT, BY THE WAY? DO YOU REMEMBER? I DO REMEMBER, BUT. HEY, FOLKS. PALM BAY WAS BACK IN THE DAY.

NO, WE HAD A FEW BACK. OH, WE HAD A FEW. WE HAD A FEW.

OKAY. WAS IT THE MAYOR BACK THEN? I'M JUST KIDDING.

I'M PLEADING THE FIFTH. I'M JUST. I'M JUST KIDDING. HEY, GUYS.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. 45 YEARS. THIS YOUNG LADY'S BEEN WITH US SO LONG.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

COME ON, LADIES. WHAT ARE YOU DOING BACK THERE? I'M PLANNING TO COME RIGHT HERE. OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA YELL AT YOU.

I CAN SEE YOU, RUTH. I CAN SEE YOU IN THE WINDOW.

JOY, COME THIS WAY. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY? MY DEAR. ALL RIGHT. ONE. TWO. THREE. NOBODY BLINKED.

THANKS. LADIES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. NICE TO. SEE YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU ALL.

OKAY, WE'RE NOW. WE MOVED AN ITEM UP. WE'RE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS NUMBER SIX.

I JUST BEFORE WE EVEN GET STARTED, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TO WELCOME THE TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OF BREVARD COUNTY.

SHERIFF WAYNE IVEY IS HERE TO JOIN US. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. ALL YOU DO FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE US AND MOREOVER, FOR OUR ENTIRE COUNTY.

SIR. THANK YOU SIR. SO WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER SIX AS COUNCIL MOVED THAT

[NEW BUSINESS:]

NOT IN THE SUNSHINE. SO IT WAS PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT ON THE SUNSHINE.

NOT FOR CONSENSUS. CONSENSUS WAS GIVEN TO US AT THE BUDGET HEARING A FEW WEEKS BACK.

THAT CONSENSUS WAS TO INVESTIGATE AND EXPLORE A MERGER, NOT A CLOSURE, OF THE COMMUNICATIONS CENTER WITH THE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S.

WE ARE NOT LEADING WITH A. YES, WE ARE NOT LEADING WITH A NO.

WE ARE NOT LEADING WITH CONJECTURE. WE WILL LEAD WITH FACTS.

WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. AND PART OF THAT MOVING FORWARD IS GIVING ALL THE VOICES AND OPPORTUNITY AND THE PEOPLE IMPACT TO COMMENT.

SO TO THAT END, RIGHT AFTER OUR BUDGET MEETING, WITHIN A FEW DAYS, WE HAD A MEETING WHERE CITY LEADERSHIP, THE CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MEMBER OF THE ANYONE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, WE ALL WERE INVITED UP TO THE BREVARD COUNTY DISPATCH FROM BY SHERIFF WAYNE IVEY AND HIS TEAM.

WE TOURED THE COMM CENTER. THEY ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION POSED OR PROMISED TO GET ANSWERS, AND THE TAKEAWAY WAS WE WERE INVITED INTO AN UNVARNISHED LOOK AND AN HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT POSSIBILITIES OF A MERGER. THIS WAS THE START OF A PROCESS, NOT THE END.

FROM OUR OBSERVATIONS, SHERIFF IVEY RUNS A FIRST CLASS OPERATION AND IN POINT OF FACT, ALREADY DISPATCHES OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE, FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS. FIRE IS VERY HAPPY WITH THAT SERVICE.

THE CALM CENTER, OF COURSE, IS PRESENTLY FUNDED THROUGH SEPTEMBER 2027 IN THE BUDGET.

SO MORE THAN A YEAR. SO THIS RUMOR THAT IT'S CLOSING TOMORROW IS NOT TRUE.

IN THE CURRENT BUDGET CLIMATE, WE ARE FORCED TO PRIORITIZE AND TO EXAMINE WHAT OUR CORE MISSION IS.

AND IN THAT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY SERVICE WE PROVIDE AND EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DELIVER THEM MORE EFFICIENTLY, MORE COST EFFECTIVE THROUGH NEW OR EXISTING PARTNERSHIPS.

I AM TOLD THE SHERIFF WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

I AM TOLD NEIGE IS HERE TO OFFER SOME COMMENTS.

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SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING LET'S HANDLE THIS KIND OF LIKE A QUASI BRING THEM PRESENT AND THEN REBUT MY SUGGESTION JUST TO OFFER SOME ORDER AND OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE SPEAKERS CARDS ALREADY ALIGNED.

DEPUTY MAYOR. SO BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF WAYNE IVEY, FRONT AND CENTER, SIR.

GIVE IT UP FOR THE SHERIFF, FOLKS. I ALMOST STOOD AT ATTENTION, SIR.

MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY.

BEFORE I START, MAYOR, I JUST GOT TO SAY SOMETHING. IT WAS A LOT LONGER THAN A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN YOUR HAIR LEFT. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YOU AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO LAUGH ABOUT EITHER, SIR. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

AND THANK YOU FOR FOR LEADING OFF YOU KNOW, THE, THE TERM HAS BEEN USED.

THIS IS A MERGER. THIS IS A, THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP.

AND, WE HAVE AN AMAZING PARTNERSHIP WITH WITH ALL OF OUR CITIES HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY.

THEIR MISSION, OUR MISSION IS TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS.

AS I ALWAYS TELL EVERYBODY, MY JOB IS TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS, OUR COPS, AND OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

SO WE WE, WE, WE START OUT TODAY BY SIMPLY SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

I KNOW A LOT OF EMOTION CHANGE IS ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE IN OUR LINE OF WORK WILL SAY IT'S NOT PERSONAL.

I KNOW IT IS TO SOME IN THIS ROOM, I KNOW IT'S PERSONAL, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT DELIVERING A SEAMLESS SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, A SERVICE THAT PROTECTS THEM AND PROTECTS OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST 5 TO 6 MONTHS WE HAVE CREATED THOSE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY OF COCOA BEACH THE CITY OF COCOA SAINT SATELLITE BEACH, INDIAN HARBOR BEACH, INDIALANTIC, MELBOURNE BEACH. WE HAD ALREADY BEEN DISPATCHING FOR, AS YOU SAID, FIRE HERE IN PALM BAY, AS WELL AS FIRE IN ROCKLEDGE AND ALSO THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE.

FULL SERVICES THERE. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR TWO AGENCIES TO GROW TOGETHER AND CREATE BASICALLY, AS I SAID, A SEAMLESS DELIVERY OF SERVICES. CHIEF SINGLETON IS WITH ME TONIGHT AND HE OVERSEES EACH OF THOSE MERGERS AS THEY TAKE PLACE.

AND THERE'S A LOT GOES INTO THEM AS, AS YOU GUYS WELL KNOW IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE GEOGRAPHY OF IT.

IT GOES INTO DEALING WITH THE 911 PEACE APP, THE CONSOLES, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

OUR GOAL AND I WILL STAND HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND TELL YOU MY GOAL AS THE SHERIFF IS WHEN THIS TAKES PLACE, TO BRING EVERY ONE OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS OVER TO OUR TEAM.

WE WELCOME THEM. WE WANT THEM TO BE PART OF OUR FAMILY, JUST AS THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS PART OF OUR FAMILY.

IN THAT CONTEXT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SHARE IT WITH, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. MORTON, I'LL SHARE SOME OF IT.

AND CHIEF, IF I'M OFF BASE HERE JUST TO HELP ME OUT EACH OF THE TEAM THAT COMES OVER FIRST OF ALL WILL GET A $2,500 BONUS SIGNING BONUS.

WE ARE BRINGING THEM OVER AT THEIR SAME SALARIES AS WELL AS THEIR LONGEVITY.

SO IF THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS, THEY WILL COME INTO OUR PAY BRACKET AT THAT SAME RATE.

WE'RE ALSO AND THIS IS A HUGE ASSISTANCE TO THE CITY AS WELL.

WE'RE ALSO BRINGING OVER THEIR ANNUAL LEAVE AND THEIR SICK LEAVE.

AND WE'RE ACCEPTING THAT THAT ACCRUED DEBT THAT WOULD BE ON THAT.

WITH OUR AGENCY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, WE WANT TO BASICALLY JUST PICK UP WHAT'S CURRENTLY HERE RELOCATED IN, IN ROCKLEDGE AND OUR BEAUTIFUL UNIFIED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

AND THEN CONTINUE THE GREAT SERVICE THAT THAT WE HAVE.

AS YOU SAID, WE ALREADY DISPATCHED FOR FIRE, AND IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO DISPATCH FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HERE IN PALM BAY.

CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE SHERIFF. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? COULD YOU GUYS SPEAK ON. SORRY. GO AHEAD. IF YOU COULD SPEAK ON ALSO THE THE DROP PROGRAM AND THE DROP PROGRAM.

YES, SIR. SO. YES, SIR. THE DEFERRED RETIREMENT OPTION PROGRAM.

EACH OF THEM WILL COME INTO THE FRS. THEY WILL BE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT PROGRAM.

AND THEN AS THAT AS THEY REACH THEIR RETIREMENT POTENTIAL, THE DROP PROGRAM IS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

AS I SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE.

YOU, YOU HAVE A, AN EXTREMELY TALENTED TEAM. YOU ALSO HAVE AN EXTREMELY TALENTED, TALENTED COMM CENTER MANAGER.

AND WE, WE WANT TO WELCOME THEM TO OUR FAMILY AND CONTINUE DOING THE GREAT SERVICE WE'RE ALREADY DOING FOR THE OTHER AGENCIES THROUGHOUT.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN.

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WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT, I THINK, 160,000 WITH IRONICALLY, 160,000 RESIDENTS.

AND WE KNOW YOU CAN HANDLE THE CALL VOLUME IN REGARDS TO BREVARD.

I MEAN, IN REGARDS TO PALM BAY FIRE, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER THAT YOU GET FROM PALM BAY FIRE? SO AS THE SHERIFF MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNERSHIP RECENTLY WITH OTHER AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND EACH ONE OF THEM ARE UNIQUE. THERE IS NO COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH TO THE WAY IN WHICH WE HAVE BEGUN AND ONBOARDED THOSE AGENCIES.

SO WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT CAME UP TO THE UCC AND SPOKE TO US, THE IDEA IS, ALTHOUGH THE GEOGRAPHY CHANGES AS FAR AS WHERE THEY WOULD GO TO WORK, TO WORK IN THE COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, THE MOTTO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, TO JUST DROP IT INTO OUR WORKSPACE SO THAT THE CHANNELS THAT THEY CURRENTLY OPERATE ON WOULD BE CHANNELS THAT WOULD BE SET UP. SO THAT WAY WE COULD GET BY WITH ADDING SOME OF THE OTHER SMALLER MUNICIPALITIES ONTO EXISTING RADIO CHANNELS.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE VOLUME, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, THE THE LEVEL OF COMMUNICATIONS, AND JUST THE RADIO TRAFFIC ITSELF, BECAUSE OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE OFFICER SAFETY AND THE SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. I HEARD THERE WAS SOME KIND OF MENTION OF A CROSS TRAINING AS WELL.

WAS THERE A CROSS TRAINING THAT WAS DISCUSSED TO WHERE THEY COULD DO BOTH? SO THERE IS. SO AS THE SHERIFF SAYS, IF THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES CHOOSE TO COME OVER AND JOIN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THROUGH THIS PARTNERSHIP, THEY WILL COME IN WITH THEIR TENURE AND OUR STEP PLAN ON TOP OF BEING A LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNICATIONS PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATOR, WE ALSO INCENTIVIZE THE DUAL DISCIPLINE OF FIRE DISPATCH AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE NOT MANDATED, BUT IT IS HEAVILY INCENTIVIZED TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THEIR THEIR OWN FINANCIAL PORTFOLIO AS WELL.

AND MY, AND MY OTHER OPTION WAS, WHAT DOES THE WHAT DOES THE SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY HAVE HERE, TO WHERE THE HOURS THEY WORK HERE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THEY WOULD WORK OVER THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT WORK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT IS FAMILIES, THEY HAVE KIDS AND THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL ANOTHER 35 MINUTES A DAY. SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE BASED UPON HOW MANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS DO WANT TO MAKE THE TRANSFER OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

IF THIS DECISION DOES GO FORWARD, IF ENOUGH OF THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES MAKE THE THE TRANSFER, IF YOU WILL, OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FAMILY, THEN IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD THE OTHER DAY WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS COMMANDER IS WE CAN LOOK AT KEEPING THEM ON THEIR EIGHT HOUR SCHEDULE.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS A WHOLE IS ON A 12 HOUR SCHEDULE IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, BUT I.

BUT WE WILL SAY THE SAME THING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO SAY IS, IF NOT ENOUGH, COME OVER WITH THE TRANSITION.

IF IT IS IN FACT VOTED IN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT A 12 HOUR SCHEDULE.

BUT IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE WOULD LOVE AND INVITE EVERYBODY WHO IS CURRENTLY ON PAYROLL WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO JOIN OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE FAMILY.

AND I'LL TOUCH ON THE 12 HOUR SHIFTS, TOO. OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT WORK 12 HOUR SHIFTS.

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT SHIFT. IT'S IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT A CALENDAR AND YOU SET IT IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU PUT AN X ON THE DAYS THAT YOU WORK, YOU'RE ACTUALLY OFF HALF THE YEAR. YOU ALSO ARE OFF EVERY OTHER WEEKEND FOR A LONG WEEKEND IN THE ROTATION WE HAVE.

SO WE, WE TRY TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR TEAM AND THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL.

THE, HAVING THE EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OFF IS, IS PRETTY PRETTY LIKED BY THEM AND PRETTY APPRECIATED BY THEM IN THAT SENSE.

OKAY. LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER FOR BRINGING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I'M GLAD WE COULD ALL COME TOGETHER AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WITH SUNSHINE WE CAN'T HEAR ALL THIS TOGETHER.

SO I THANK YOU FOR COMING. I, I LOVE EVERYBODY ELSE CAME OUT.

LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND THAT'S IT. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON HAS A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT ONE MORE. MY, MY OH GO AHEAD.

OKAY. NO GO AHEAD. I'D LIKE TO GET SOME SOMETHING.

HOW MANY VACANCIES DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH IN DISPATCH.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S HARD TO PUT A NUMBER ON. THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE IN TRAINING THAT AREN'T OUT ON THE CONSOLE BY THEMSELVES.

WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS THAT HAVE BEEN GONE THROUGH BACKGROUND AND ARE ABOUT TO BE BROUGHT ON.

SO IT'S TOUGH TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER ON THAT. I THINK YOU GUYS CURRENTLY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HAVE 27 TEAM MEMBERS IF THAT NUMBER IS RIGHT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING ALL OF THEM OVER.

AND AS THE CHIEF SAID, WE ARE LOOKING AT JUST RECREATING WHAT YOU HAVE WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT CHANNELS.

AS WE WERE TELLING THE CHIEF THE OTHER DAY AT THE UCC IF PALM BAY IS DOING A SPECIAL EVENT, THEN WE DEDICATE A SEPARATE CHANNEL ALERT CHANNEL, IF YOU WILL, WITH A SEPARATE TELECOMMUNICATOR ON THAT CHANNEL.

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BUT WHETHER THAT'S THE CHRISTMAS PARADE OR ONE OF THE OTHER MANY GREAT EVENTS YOU HAVE HERE IN THE CITY, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DEDICATE A CHANNEL TO THAT.

SO, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE DYNAMICS, RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE STUDYING THIS AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE FACTS OUT, RIGHT.

HERE'S A CONCERN WHEN YOU MENTIONED BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS, RIGHT.

LET'S SAY WE HAVE 27 OF OUR DISPATCHERS AND SAY TEN OF THEM JUST COME OVER.

RIGHT? I'M JUST THAT HYPOTHETICAL. THEN THE CONCERN SHIFTS TO THE CALL VOLUME OF 160,000.

COMPARED TO JUST THE REASONING OF MY QUESTION.

THE THE VACANCIES THAT YOU MAY CURRENTLY HAVE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO COMPLICATE THAT.

THAT WOULD BE AN AREA OF CONCERN. HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT? YES, SIR. WE WOULD TAKE SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY TRAINED, THOSE THAT ARE THAT ARE THERE, AND WE WOULD ALLOCATE THEM TO THAT CHANNEL. PALM BAY CHANNEL WILL BE AN ISOLATED CHANNEL FOR THEM.

IT WILL BE STAFFED COMPLETELY WITH THE RIGHT RESOURCES TO DO IT.

AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, WE'RE, WE'RE HOLDING THOSE POSITIONS FOR YOUR TEAM.

BUT IF SOME OF THEM DECIDED THAT THIS WASN'T FOR THEM WE WOULD, WE WOULD THEN BRING ON OTHER PEOPLE AND HIRE THEM IN TO IT.

OKAY. AND YOU SAID TEN. I, I WANT ALL 27. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, SIR.

OH, THAT. THANK YOU. NO, THAT'S THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR, SIR.

YES. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T CUT THE MUSTARD, SO TO SPEAK.

SO IF I COULD. YES, ON THAT, ON THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT IS WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH BOTH THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THEIR HIRING PROCESSES.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON ON TASK FORCE. WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM JUST ON ON MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE COMMITMENT TO THE CHIEF AND THE CURRENT STAFF HERE THAT IF THEY DO WANT TO COME OVER, OUR BACKGROUND IS GOING TO CONSIST OF THEM SIMPLY FILLING OUT A JOB APPLICATION.

WE WILL RUN A CRIMINAL HISTORY AND WE WILL DO A DRUG SCREEN.

THAT IS IT. WE ARE GOING TO PIGGYBACK IN ON WHAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS ALREADY DONE IN REGARDS TO THEIR EMPLOYMENT PROCESS.

YOUR YOUR EMPLOYMENT PROCESS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OURS.

OKAY. SO THE LION'S SHARE OF THE VETTING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

SO WE'RE WAVING QUITE A FEW THINGS WITHIN OUR BACKGROUND PROCESS TO, TO BRING THEM ON BOARD.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. THANK YOU. MAYOR. LAST QUESTION SHERIFF.

WE TYPICALLY ARE ALWAYS FOCUSING ON THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING IN THE IN POLICY OR IN CAPACITY OF YOUR DISPATCHERS? YES, I'LL JUMP IN AFTER YOU, BUT GO AHEAD. SO WE DO.

WE HAVE A CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM. AND ANYTIME WE HAVE A CRITICAL INCIDENT, WE ALWAYS FOCUS ON OUR ENTIRE AGENCY AS A WHOLE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, WHETHER IT'S OUR LAW OR OUR FIRE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE SCENE, THAT ARE VISUALLY SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE THE CRITICAL INCIDENT IS ONE ASPECT OF IT.

BUT WE ARE VERY GOOD AT ALSO REMEMBERING AND INCLUDING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS AS WELL, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THEY ARE THE FIRST VOICE AND THEY ARE THE FIRST INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INTERACTING WITH A PERSON IN CRISIS.

SO EVERYBODY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT WE DO HAVE THINGS IN PLACE, BOTH IN POLICY AND PROGRAMS AVAILABLE, THAT WE CAN OFFER RESOURCES. IF WE IDENTIFY A PROBLEM, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO SPEAK UP AND ASK FOR THAT HELP.

THANK YOU CHIEF. AND THEN I'LL ADD TWO THINGS TO THAT ONE.

WE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

THEY ARE THEY ARE IN A ROOM DEALING WITH CRISIS EVERY DAY.

SO WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT THEM BOTH, BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY AND EMOTIONALLY IN THAT OUR UCC HAS A FULLY EQUIPPED WEIGHT ROOM EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, EVERYTHING ELSE IN IT.

AN AMAZING BREAK ROOM, EVERYTHING. AND IT HAS SOMETHING THAT NOT MANY OTHER TELECOMMUNICATORS HAVE AND THAT IS DIESEL OUR COMFORT DOG THAT LIVES AT THE UCC. HE IT'S PRETTY AMAZING TO WATCH HIM WHEN SOMETHING VERY STRESSFUL OR HIGH CRISIS IS GOING ON.

HE GOES TO THAT CONSOLE AND HE'S GOT A BED UNDER EVERY CONSOLE IN THERE AND COMFORTS HIM.

HE HAS NO OTHER PURPOSE IN LIFE. HE WOULDN'T BITE YOU IF I COATED YOU IN BARBECUE SAUCE, BUT HE IS, HE IS THERE TO TO COMFORT THEM AND TO TAKE CARE OF THEM FROM IT.

SO THE LAST THING I'LL SAY TO THAT IS I'VE ALREADY HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR HOUSE AND SENATE MEMBERS ABOUT TRYING TO BRING OUR TELECOMMUNICATORS INTO THE HIGH HAZARD FRS RETIREMENT SYSTEM TO,

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THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME CRISIS JUST IN A DIFFERENT ROLE FROM IT.

OKAY. SO WE'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY ONCE WE GET OTHER SPEAKERS TO COME BACK UP AND MAYBE ANSWER SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. WELL, AS YOU WERE STEADFAST, COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN HAS SOME QUESTIONS.

WELL, I, I JUST WANTED TO TO REAFFIRM THAT WE RECENTLY WE RECENTLY BOUGHT A TRUCK FOR HEAVY DEBRIS THAT WE CAN HAVE FOLLOW THE SHERIFF AT THE CHRISTMAS PARADE IF HE'S GOING TO FALL OUT. BUT THAT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CLOSE, BUT IT'S BIG ENOUGH.

NO, BUT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO ATTEST TO THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST PROBABLY THE TOP AGENCY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY. SO I DO KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE SENDING THEM TO AN INCREDIBLY PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION UNDER GOOD LEADERSHIP.

AND AND THAT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING, THE HARD WORK YOU'VE DONE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS MOMENT OR ANY MORE COMMENTS, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO AT LEAST SAY THAT BEFORE WE ENDED.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO WE'LL WE'LL GET PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.

MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ASK MR. MORTON TO HAVE OUR FIRE CHIEF JUST COME UP AND SPEAK ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT AFTER. YEAH, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. IT'S OKAY NOW. YEAH. GO AHEAD, MR. MORTON. CHIEF. CHIEF STEWARD, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP IF WE.

THEN WE COULD HAVE OUR OUR POLICE CHIEF AS WELL FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

GOOD EVENING. WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START? CAN YOU JUST SPEAK ON THE EXPERIENCE? SO FAR IN THE BEGINNING THERE WERE SOME GLITCHES, I WOULD SAY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'VE HAD NO REAL PROBLEMS. AND WHEN WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM AND GET THEM RESOLVED.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF POINT OUT IS THIS IS NOT A COMMUNICATIONS ITSELF IN AND OF ITSELF.

OUR COMMUNICATIONS LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNICATIONS IS NOT AN EASY JOB.

I SPENT FIVE YEARS RUNNING THE COMM CENTER FOR THE LARGEST SAP IN BROWARD COUNTY, AND THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE GLITCHES REGARDLESS, NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN THERE DOING IT, NO MATTER HOW. NO MATTER HOW MUCH TRAINING. AND WE BROUGHT ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER DOWN IN BROWARD AND WE STARTED DOING THE SAME TYPE OF CONSOLIDATION.

THERE WERE GLITCHES. WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS HERE AND THERE, BUT AS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WORKED THROUGH IN TIME, AS WE'VE DONE HERE WITH BREVARD, WHEN WE MOVED OUT OF THE CITY AND MOVED INTO THE COUNTY FIRE DISPATCH.

THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES, BUT OVERALL I THINK IT'S WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? SO WHAT WERE SOME OF THE GLITCHES THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO? THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL WANT TO TRY TO PREVENT ANY TYPE OF GLITCHES FROM REPEATING THEMSELVES DISPATCHING WRONG UNITS. THAT HAPPENED DOWN SOUTH QUITE A BIT.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE MOVING, THE CAD SYSTEM IS INDEPENDENT OF HUMAN THINKING, OBVIOUSLY.

SO THERE'S THINGS IN THE CAD SYSTEM THAT MIGHT GLITCH AND SEND THE NOT MAYBE THE CLOSEST UNIT.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE, BUT THOSE WERE TAKEN CARE OF.

THERE'S THE, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH HOW YOUR DISTRICTS ARE SET UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO BRING IN OTHER UNITS FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

WHICH IS CLOSEST? ARE THEY ATTACHED TO YOUR CAD SO THAT YOUR CAD CAN ACTUALLY BRING THEM IN AS AN AUTOMATIC AID, AUTOMATICALLY ASSIGNED TO THAT FIRST ALARM OR SECOND ALARM ASSIGNMENT? OR DO WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PHONE CALLING FROM ONE COMM CENTER TO THE OTHER AND SAYING, HEY, WE NEED THIS TRUCK HERE. AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A POINT, SEVERAL POINTS THERE WHERE THE RECEIVING APP MIGHT NOT SEND WHAT WE THINK THEY'RE SENDING.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN TAKE PLACE.

BUT OVERALL, ANYTHING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WE'VE, WE'VE CONTACTED THEM, WE'VE SAID WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE AND THEY'VE ADDRESSED IT AND WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH IT.

I WOULD SAY SOME DISPATCHING OF THE IMPROPER UNITS.

AGAIN, THAT HAPPENED A LOT DOWN SOUTH, BUT IT WORKS ITSELF OUT EVENTUALLY AND GOES AWAY FOR THE MOST PART.

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A PERFECT COMM CENTER.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS AND I THINK IT WAS BACK IN THE BEGINNING, I DON'T RECALL.

I'VE HEARD IT HAPPEN A COUPLE TIMES, BUT NOT FREQUENTLY OR AS FREQUENTLY AS IT DID WHEN WE FIRST CAME OVER.

AND I THINK IT WAS UNDER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE FIRST WENT UNDER.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS UNDER THE SHERIFF AT THAT TIME, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. YOU WOULD HAVE DISPATCHERS WHERE THE RADIO WOULD GO SILENT AND THEY WOULD END UP BEING ON DOING A CALL TAKING WHILE THEY'RE DISPATCHING, WHICH NORMALLY IS NOT AN OPTIMAL WAY TO RUN A COMM CENTER.

YOU NORMALLY HAVE THE CALL TAKERS IN ANOTHER PART OF THE BUILDING OR ANOTHER PART OF THE FLOOR.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DISPATCH CENTER DOING ITS THING.

SO THE TWO SHOULD NEVER MATCH. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE I HAVE NOT RECALLED HEARING TOO MUCH OF THAT,

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I JUST WANTED TO FIGURE THAT OUT. FIRE TRUCKS THAT WE WERE BRINGING IN.

YEAH. YEAH. WE WE, THE CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE ENTER INTO THESE MUTUAL AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER AGENCIES AROUND US.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE WE NOTIFY THE COMM CENTER WHETHER IT WAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME THAT OVERSAW IT, OR THE SHERIFFS, AS THEY CURRENTLY DO NOW. WE DO HAVE A THREE WAY AGREEMENT BETWEEN BROWARD, I'M SORRY, BREVARD INDIAN PALM BAY AND THE SHERIFF THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THAT STUFF.

SO ONCE WE SET THAT UP AND WE SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S OUR AGREEMENT, THEN WE WORK WITH THEIR COMM CENTER TO SAY, OKAY, THESE TRUCKS SHOULD GO INTO THIS AREA AND THEY SHOULD ATTACH ON THIS RESPONSE.

IF IT'S A FIRST ALARM, OUR VERY FIRST CALL FOR STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING OR A LARGE INCIDENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL FIRE ENGINES. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME AERIAL DEVICES, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BATTALION CHIEFS. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RESCUES THAT GO WITH IT. SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US AS THE CITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY OR THE SHERIFF AT THIS POINT AND SAY, THIS IS HOW THAT SHOULD FALL. BUT NOW, IF THOSE UNITS ARE OUT OF PLACE, IF IF MY NEXT UNIT COMING IN ON A MUTUAL AID OR AN AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT IS MELBOURNE, AND THAT UNIT THAT'S NORMALLY THE CLOSEST TO COME INTO MELBOURNE IS ALREADY ON ANOTHER CALL.

THEN THEY HAVE TO READJUST AT THAT POINT THERE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A PERFECT SYSTEM.

BUT WE DO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM COPY. AND HOW MANY CALL WHAT WAS THE CALL VOLUME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR FIRE? WHAT'S THE CALL? I WASN'T PREPARED, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. WELL, PERHAPS THAT MR. MORTON, MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF THE STUDY, TOO, THAT YOU LOOK INTO AS AS WE AUDIT EVERYTHING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GOOD. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.

ARE WE GOING TO BRING UP THE CHIEF OF POLICE NOW, MR. MORTON. I WASN'T PLANNING ON IT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOT ANY COMMENTS TONIGHT.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK HE DID. DID YOU? CHIEF.

CHIEF. COME ON. YEAH. COME ON UP. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. I FIRST ALSO WANT TO THANK SHERIFF IVEY AND HIS TEAM FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THIS IS CERTAINLY A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION TO HAVE ON MANY FRONTS.

BUT I APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND CERTAINLY THE PARTNERSHIP THAT HE HAS. WHEN WE NEED HELP, HIS TEAM COMES RUNNING. WE ACTUALLY JUST USED HIS TEAM LAST WEEK ON AN OPERATION, AND I KNOW WE DO THE SAME FOR HIM.

SO DEFINITELY APPRECIATE HIM AND, AND WHAT HIS TEAM DOES FOR US IN THE CITY AS A POLICE CHIEF, MY PRIORITY IS THE OVERALL HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR, OUR FOLKS, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER TOOLS, RESOURCES AND EQUIPMENT TO EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY AND TO MAKE IT SAFER. AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL, THOUGH, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, AND YOU ALL, AS A COUNCIL, ARE TASKED WITH ENSURING THAT OUR CITY IS FINANCIALLY STABLE.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, AND I SUPPORT WHAT THIS DECISION IS, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO STATE LEGISLATION THAT'S POTENTIALLY COMING DOWN THAT CAN FORCE WHAT WE DO AS A CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNICATION CENTERS. RIGHT? SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND FROM FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND HEARING, IT'S RATHER A SMART FISCAL DECISION TO MAKE.

BUT I ALSO, ON THE OTHER HAND, DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT A LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR.

IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT PALM BAY IS A VERY BUSY CITY, AND I CONCUR WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE CHIEF THAT THEY NEED A LOT OF OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES TO TRANSFER OVER TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I, AS A POLICE CHIEF, I ALSO WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR NOT ONLY OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE ANSWERING THE RADIOS AND RESPONDING TO THE CALLS, BUT ALSO THE CITIZENS WHO CALL 911. AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL GROUP OF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE BEST OF THE BEST THAT WE HAVE.

THEY'RE PASSIONATE, EXTREMELY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO EACH AND EVERY DAY.

AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THEM. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE, AS ARE OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY'RE HURTING RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY OUT THERE. AND SO IT'S OUR JOB AS LEADERS OF THIS CITY THAT WE KEEP THEM IN THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THAT IF THIS DECISION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSOLIDATION, THAT WE ENSURE A GOOD,

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AND THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU AS COUNCIL AND TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, THAT WE DO HAVE A SMOOTH TRANSITION.

BUT ALSO JUST REMEMBER THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HURTING BECAUSE, AS THE SHERIFF MENTIONED, ALSO, NOBODY LIKES CHANGE, ESPECIALLY THIS TYPE OF CHANGE. IT'S A IT'S A BIG CHANGE.

AND AS WE GATHER FACTS AND WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS WE HOPE THAT THINGS WILL MAYBE BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARER ON WHAT THAT POTENTIAL CONSOLIDATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE HOW GRATEFUL I AM AS A POLICE CHIEF AND A MEMBER OF THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT TO WORK ALONGSIDE SOME PHENOMENAL COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS.

THANK YOU. HAVE YOU WORKED OR DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT LEGISLATION IS PANNING OUT RIGHT NOW, OR WHAT'S ANY UPDATES ON THAT? BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME UP AGAIN, CORRECT? CERTAINLY. IT'S NO DOUBT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FORM OF LEGISLATION.

AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL PROPOSALS MADE.

I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.

WHAT HE IS INDICATING FROM THE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION'S LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE IS A PROPOSAL THAT.

REQUIRES ALL MUNICIPALITIES TO BE ON THE SAME CAD SYSTEM AND SAP AS THE COUNTY.

AND BECAUSE THE. THE CUSP OF THE ISSUE WITH CONSOLIDATION IS WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS NINE ONE, ONE IS ENSURING THAT THAT CALL MAINTAINS ON THE LINE AND YEAH, CONCRETE THAT WE'RE NOT PASSING IT BACK AND FORTH.

BECAUSE WHAT WE DO HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME IS THAT WHEN A NINE ONE CALL COMES IN, IT'S NOT THAT AGENCY'S JURISDICTION.

THEY PASS IT TO THE APPROPRIATE JURISDICTION.

AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THAT CALL COULD BE DROPPED. AND SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS MEASURE IS TO PREVENT THAT IS YOU HAVE ONE CONCRETE UNIFIED COMMAND OR UNIFIED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER TO HANDLE THOSE NINE CALLS SO THAT NO CALL GOES UNHEARD OR DROPS.

RIGHT. AND SO WHAT THIS REPRESENTATIVE IS PROPOSING THROUGH THE FLORIDA POLICE ASSOCIATION IS THAT APPS CAN REMAIN WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE AT, BUT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME SYSTEM.

THAT WAY, WHEN THE 901 CALL COMES IN, WE OWN THAT 901 CALL, BUT WE'RE ROUTING THE INFORMATION TO THAT APPROPRIATE APP.

AND AND THAT MEANS EVERYONE'S ON THAT SAME SYSTEM AND THEY CAN VIEW IT WHETHER YOU'RE A SHERIFF OR, OR ANY OTHER AGENCY. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A PROPOSAL, RIGHT? I IMAGINE THERE'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO TRACK WHAT.

YEAH. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK I HAVE A SPEAKER, BUT SO OR A QUESTION.

DEPUTY MAYOR. SO THIS THIS LEGISLATION WERE TO PASS.

DO WE HAVE THE SAME CAD AND SAP SYSTEM AS BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF? AND IF NOT, DO WE KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO.

TO MATCH IT? SO NO, WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME CAD SYSTEM AS THE SHERIFF.

AND I VENTURE TO SAY, SINCE WE WERE GOING TO THE SHERIFF SERVER, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ENTER NEGOTIATIONS OR SOMETHING WITH THE SHERIFF AT THAT POINT TO TO LOOK AT WHAT SERVER HE IS ON, WHICH WE KNOW THE THE SERVER, THE PLATFORM THAT THE SHERIFF AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ON.

SO IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF ARRANGING SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT TO TO MERGE WITH THAT.

SO THERE'S STILL WOULD BE A MERGER, RIGHT? I THINK AT THE NO MATTER WHAT THAT PROPOSAL, THE LEGISLATION LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF OUR HANDS BEFORE SOME WAY TO TO MERGE. YEAH. YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE ON NOW BEFORE WE GOT ON THIS DAIS, GENTLEMEN IT WAS ACTUALLY, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON THE DAIS AS YOU WERE.

BUT BEFORE WE GOT ON THE DAIS, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE SYSTEM, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY OBSOLETE THEN.

THE SYSTEM. YES. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SEE, SO AND IT WAS PURCHASED BECAUSE I GUESS IT WAS A REALLY GOOD DEAL.

BUT YEAH. TO, TO THAT ARGUMENT. RIGHT. I THINK THE NEW SYSTEM IS CALLED WHAT NOW THAT'S OUR CAD SYSTEM.

THE NEW CAD SYSTEM IS THROUGH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.

AND THAT IS REALLY A CENTRAL UPDATED MODEL THAT A LOT OF THE OTHER AGENCIES ARE TRACKING RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY BELIEF, YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO, JUST RELATED TO THE OUR CURRENT SYSTEM.

AND TYLER, ARE YOU ABLE TO JUST TO SPEAK ON ANY CYBERSECURITY ISSUES THAT WE MAY BE EXPOSED TO OR THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE TYLER SYSTEM THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS? NO, SIR, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CYBER SECURITY ISSUES.

I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER TO THE SHERIFF AND HIS TEAM TO ANSWER THAT, BUT WE WOULD GO ON HIS SERVER.

RIGHT. AND IF THE SHERIFF OPTED TO CHANGE TO ANOTHER PLATFORM, WE WOULD BE ASKED TO DO THE SAME.

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COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. SO IF THE LEGISLATION WERE TO PASS.

TYPICALLY WE WILL TRY TO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT TYLER TECHNOLOGY.

YES. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WHATEVER THE SHERIFF HAS.

OKAY. AND IT'S SAFE TO SAY BECAUSE THIS THIS.

BUT THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE STATE, CORRECT? LIKE, YEAH.

YEAH. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE KNOW HOW PRIVATE COMPANIES WILL TRY TO PRICE GOUGE MUNICIPALITIES. SO I CAN SEE WHEN THIS, WHEN OR IF THIS WERE TO PASS, I COULD SEE AN UP SELL OR UPTICK IN THE PRICING TOWARDS NOT JUST US, BUT EVERYBODY. SO THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION.

THIS NEXT BASED OFF OF DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, THIS NEXT QUESTION.

AND I THINK DISPATCH CAN ATTEST TO IT. AND I'VE SEEN IT IN MANY CASE STUDIES.

AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE OTHER CHIEF TO SPEAK ON IT AS WELL.

I FEEL OR I'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF NON-EMERGENCY CALLS THAT GO TO 911 THAT POSSIBLY COULD GO TO THE PALM BAY NON-EMERGENCY HOTLINE, OR MAYBE A 311. HOW CAN WE MAYBE IS IT EDUCATION AND HOW CAN WE GET THOSE NUMBERS DOWN? SO THAT WAY OTHER YOU GET OUR CALL VOLUME DOWN.

SO THAT WAY THOSE THAT ARE EMERGENCY ARE ADDRESSED QUICKLY.

AND THE ONES THAT ARE NON-EMERGENCY ARE ADDRESSED. YEAH.

SO I THINK THERE'S WAYS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA, PSAS AND EDUCATIONAL AND OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY BELIEVES THEY ARE IN CRISIS OR IN NEED, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL 911. AND THAT'S SO OFTEN THE TIME WHERE WE REALIZE THAT WHAT THEY THINK IS AN EMERGENCY ISN'T ONE.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THEY FEEL IS EMERGENCY.

AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF SOMEBODY FEELS THEY ARE FACED WITH AN EMERGENCY OR THEY'RE IN CRISIS, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL 911 BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST SIMPLEST AND EASILY KNOWN.

AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY. THANK YOU.

GOOD. I JUST HAVE ONE THING. WHEN WE SAY 160 000 CALLS COME THROUGH OUR CALL CENTER, IS THAT ALL POLICE OR IS THAT POLICE AND FIRE? THAT'S ALL. POLICE.

THAT'S ALL. OH, I'M SORRY, I'M BEING CORRECT. THAT IS BOTH. SO WHEN WE TAKE A FIRE CALL, THOUGH, OR A MEDICAL CALL, WE DO TRANSFER THAT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO BE HANDLED THROUGH THE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.

SO SAY THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OUT THERE. THEY CALL US, AND WE HAVE TO TRANSFER IT TO BREVARD COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

YES, SIR. OKAY. AND ABOUT THE ABOUT THE SERVICES.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THE SHERIFF WILL TELL YOU THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS SOME OF THE, THE BEST COMPETITIVE BID CONTROLLED PRICING THAT YOU PROBABLY GO THROUGH BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ON A LOT OF STUFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN'T GOUGE THE PRICES, YOU CAN'T MOVE UP OVER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.

IT'S, IT'S CONTROLLED PRICING. NO, I THINK OUR SHERIFF WOULD GO TO GRADY JUDGE.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR CARRY ON, SIR? THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

OH, SIR, YOU DID MENTION WHO WAS IT THAT YOU SPOKE TO? I FORGOT THE COMPANY YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE FLORIDA CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.

FLORIDA POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CAN I CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? YES, SIR.

COME ON. WANTED TO GET TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY ON THIS TOPIC.

THE BILL IS BEING SPONSORED BY DANNY ALVAREZ, AND HE TALKED TO THE FLORIDA POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.

BUT THE WAY THE BILL IS ACTUALLY STRUCTURED, EVERYONE WOULD BE UNDER ONE ROOF.

WITH ONE PEACE APP IS, IS THE WAY AND IT'S DESIGNED TO SAVE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

IT'S DESIGNED TO CREATE A SEAMLESS DELIVERY OF SERVICES.

AS THE CHIEF SAID, YOUR, YOUR CALL VOLUME INCLUDES CALLS WHERE YOU'RE CALLING, THEY'RE CALLING YOU AND THEN YOU'RE TRANSFERRING THEM TO US.

IT COMPLETELY ELIMINATES THAT THROUGH THE SAP SYSTEM.

IT'S AS I SAID, IT'S ALSO DESIGNED TO SAVE CITIES MONEY.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT WITH THE HOMESTEAD AND EVERYTHING.

BUT CURRENTLY THE, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE STRUCTURED THIS I'LL PUT SOME NUMBERS OUT.

I KNOW MATT HAS A BETTER GRIP ON THEM WORKING WITH CHIEF WALLER ON THAT, BUT THE FIRST YEAR THE CITY OF PALM BAY WILL SEE ABOUT A 2.5 TO $2.7 MILLION SAVINGS EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT, IT'S A 3 TO $4 MILLION SAVINGS FROM IT.

SO IT'S, IT'S THE SEAMLESS DELIVERY OF SERVICES IS PARAMOUNT TO ME.

BUT THEN AS, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SECOND PART OF IT AS YOU GUYS DO AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S GO TO TERESA KELLY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MISS KELLY, CAN YOU.

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I AM A PALM BAY RESIDENT TAXPAYER VETERAN AND A FORMER CITY OF PALM BAY EMPLOYEE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT LOOKING AT EFFICIENCIES AND WAYS TO SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, BUDGET SAVINGS CANNOT OUTWEIGH A LIFE.

PALM BAY COMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL ARE A CRITICAL LINK BETWEEN OUR RESIDENTS AND THE OFFICERS AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL RESPONDING WHEN SOMEONE NEEDS HELP.

THIS ISN'T SIMPLY ABOUT WHERE A PHONE CALL GETS ANSWERED.

IT'S ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES, LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, COORDINATION, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE SYSTEM.

I'VE ALSO SEEN COMMENTS AND CONCERNS RAISED ON FACEBOOK REGARDING INCIDENTS WHERE PALM BAY HAS REQUESTED MUTUAL AID FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES IN RESPONSE TIMES WERE REPORTEDLY UNACCEPTABLE. I'M NOT PRESENTING THOSE COMMENTS TONIGHT AS INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED STATISTICS.

I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO EXAMINE THOSE STATISTICS BEFORE WE CONSOLIDATE.

WHAT DOES THE ACTUAL DATA SHOW? HOW QUICKLY DOES PALM BAY CURRENTLY DISPATCH ITS RESOURCES WHEN MUTUAL AID IS REQUESTED, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THE ASSISTING AGENCIES TO RESPOND? AND WHAT EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THE MOVING PALM BAY COMMUNICATIONS TO BCSO WILL MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE THOSE RESPONSE TIMES? BECAUSE 5 TO 10 MINUTES ON A SPREADSHEET IS JUST A NUMBER.

BUT TO SOMEONE WAITING FOR HELP, THOSE MINUTES MEAN EVERYTHING.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUGGESTION THAT STATEWIDE LEGISLATION MAKES THIS CONSOLIDATION NECESSARY.

LOOK, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE CONSIDERED HB 1427 AND SB 1586 THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULD HAVE REQUIRED UNIFIED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND DISPATCH CENTERS. NEITHER BILL HAS BECOME LAW.

BOTH DIED IN COMMITTEE, SO FLORIDA DOES NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRE PALM BAY TO CONSOLIDATE.

WHY MUST PALM BAY MAKE THIS DECISION NOW? PREPARING FOR LEGISLATION THAT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE IS RESPONSIBLE, BUT PERMANENTLY RESTRUCTURING OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS BECAUSE OF LEGISLATION THAT MIGHT SOMEDAY PASS AS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

AND WE SHOULDN'T OVERLOOK OUR TRAINED EMPLOYEES THAT PALM BAY HAS THAT ARE ALREADY INVESTED IN THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, THEIR EXPERIENCE, THE RELATIONSHIP, AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT SIMPLY CAN'T BE TRANSFERRED.

IF CONSOLIDATION IS TRULY BETTER FOR PALM BAY THAN SHOW THE RESIDENTS THE EVIDENCE, SHOW US THE RESPONSE TIME ANALYSIS.

SHOW US THE COMPLETE FINANCIAL COMPARISON, SHOW US THE STAFFING AND TRANSITION PLAN, AND SHOW US HOW PUBLIC SAFETY WILL BE EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

IF THAT CASE CAN BE DEMONSTRATED, THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

BUT IF THESE QUESTIONS HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED, PLEASE DON'T MAKE AN IRREVERSIBLE PUBLIC SAFETY DECISION SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATE WHAT TALLAHASSEE MIGHT DO OR BECAUSE THE NUMBERS APPEAR LESS EXPENSIVE.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY MATTERS. EFFICIENCY MATTERS.

BUT WHEN A PALM BAY RESIDENT CALLS FOR HELP, SAVING LIVES HAS TO COME BEFORE SAVING DOLLARS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MICHAEL ZIEGLER.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M MICHAEL ZIEGLER, 2471 SNAPDRAGON DRIVE.

20 YEARS COMBINED PUBLIC SAFETY, ALMOST 14 YEARS HERE.

AND BEFORE ANYBODY STARTS TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATION THAT DOESN'T EXIST OR COST SAVINGS OR MOVING PALM BAY 911 COMMUNICATIONS CENTER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I WANT EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER ONE THING. 911 IS NOT JUST A PHONE CALL.

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

AND WHEN SYSTEM IS OVERLOADED. SECONDS TURN INTO MINUTES, AND MINUTES TURN INTO DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES.

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY ALREADY SEEING THAT.

EXCUSE ME. WHAT HAPPENED TO MY VOICE? THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ALREADY HANDLING AN ENORMOUS WORKLOAD WITH LIMITED STAFFING, ADDING A CITY THE SIZE OF PALM BAY TO AN ALREADY HEAVILY BURDENED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER DOES NOT MAKE EMERGENCY SERVICE COMMUNICATIONS ANY STRONGER.

IT ADDS MORE CALLS, MORE RADIO TRAFFIC, MORE RESPONSIBILITY, AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOMETHING CRITICAL TO GET LOST IN THAT SHUFFLE.

AND I'M NOT SPEAKING JUST HYPOTHETICALLY. RECENTLY, WE HAD A REQUEST FOR BCSO AND FIRE RESCUE TO ASSIST US IN A MISSING SEVEN YEAR OLD NONVERBAL AUTISTIC CHILD AT THE WALMART. I MADE THAT PHONE CALL TO GET HELP OVER THERE.

WE DID FIND THE CHILD, AND I ASKED TO HAVE MEDICAL REROUTED TO WHERE THE OFFICER WAS WITH THE CHILD.

THEY COULD NOT FIND THE CALL I JUST GAVE THEM MINUTES AGO.

THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED. I. AND THE AGENCY YOU'RE CONSIDERING SENDING US TO

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THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES THEY HAVE.

NOW IMAGINE ADDING PALM BAY THIS CITY OUR SIZE, THE LARGEST CITY BY POPULATION AND MILES IN BREVARD, WHICH IS GROWING AT AN ALARMING RATE WITH THEIR WORKLOAD, WITH OUR OFFICERS, OUR EMERGENCY CALLS, OUR TRAFFIC STOPS, OUR MISSING CHILDREN, THOUSANDS OF OTHER CALLS ON THIS HIRING SEVERAL PALM BAY DISPATCHERS WILL NOT MAGICALLY ELIMINATE THAT WORKLOAD. YOU'RE STILL TAKING A LOCAL SYSTEM THAT KNOWS THIS CITY, PLACING IT IN A LARGER, BUSIER, CENTRALIZED OPERATION THAT IS ALREADY STRETCHED WHEN SOMEBODY'S CHILD IS MISSING, OR WHEN SOMEBODY'S PARENT STOPS BREATHING, OR WHEN AN OFFICER IS YELLING FOR BACKUP ON A RADIO, THAT IS NOT THE MOMENT.

WE SHOULD BE FINDING OUT WHETHER THIS CONSOLIDATION LOOKED BETTER ON PAPER, OR IF IT DID IN REAL LIFE.

THIS IS OUR CITY. THESE ARE OUR CITIZENS. WE KNOW THIS CITY, WE KNOW THE CITIZENS, AND WE KNOW THE LANDMARKS THAT AREN'T EVEN ON A MAP.

YOU SAY, HEY, BEHIND THE OLD WALL, BEHIND THE OLD WINN-DIXIE.

SOMEBODY'S OUT OF THIS. OUT OF THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO KNOW THIS.

THIS IS OUR 911. KEEP IT LOCAL. THANK YOU. GRACE FAY.

I'M GRACE FREY FROM TOLUCA STREET. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT.

GOOD EVENING TO THE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER.

I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE FRONT LINE 911 DISPATCHERS WHO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CITY HAS A DIFFICULT BUDGET DECISIONS TO MAKE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT TAXPAYER DOLLARS MUST BE USED RESPONSIBLY, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT 911 DISPATCH CONSOLIDATION MAY HAVE A PLACE IN THAT CONVERSATION. BUT TONIGHT, WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN A BUDGET NUMBER.

THAT IS, THE PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON THIS SYSTEM WHEN THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO TURN.

WHEN SOMEONE CALLS 911 BECAUSE THEY ARE FACING A LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCY, THERE IS NOT A SECOND CHANCE TO GET THAT CALL RIGHT.

PALM BAY DISPATCHERS KNOW THIS COMMUNITY. THEY KNOW ITS STREETS, ITS NEIGHBORHOODS, ITS CHALLENGES AND THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO RESPOND.

THEY ARE THE CALM VOICE ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE WHEN SOMEONE IS HAVING THE WORST MOMENT OF THEIR LIFE.

THAT IS WHY WE BELIEVE A DECISION THIS SIGNIFICANT DESERVES COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY BEFORE IT BECOMES PERMANENT.

WE ARE ASKING THE CITY TO PUBLICLY PROVIDE THE FINANCIAL AND OPERATIONAL DETAILS OF THIS PROPOSED MERGER.

WHAT IS THE PLAN TO ENSURE THAT PALM BAY RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF TIMELY, KNOWLEDGEABLE EMERGENCY SERVICE THAT THEY DESERVE? WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY'S COMMUNICATION SYSTEM HAS ITS OWN STAFFING CHALLENGES AND DEMANDS.

BEFORE ADDING PALM BAY'S EMERGENCY CALL VOLUME, WE BELIEVE THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE CHALLENGES WILL BE ADDRESSED.

WE STAND WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS OF OUR CITY.

OUR GOAL IS NOT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS.

OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PROGRESS DOES NOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO 911 PERMANENT DECISIONS DEMAND ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RHONDA SALTER. SAY AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS RHONDA SALTER, AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED TRANSFER OF PALM BAY POLICE DISPATCH CENTER TO THE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO SAVE MONEY, AND THAT BUDGETS ARE TIGHT.

WE'RE ALL FEELING IT. BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, WE MUST LOOK BEYOND THE NUMBERS AND ASK A MUCH MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS THIS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY? PALM BAY IS THE 13TH LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE BY POPULATION AND FIFTH IN THE STATE BY LAND MASS, AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW EVERY DAY, EVEN IF EVERY PALM BAY TELECOMMUNICATOR GETS HIRED AND IS KEPT BY THE

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WE CANNOT APPROACH THIS DECISION WITH THE ATTITUDE OF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAYS, SO WE SHOULD JUST DO IT NOW.

THE TWO BILLS DIRECTING THE CONSOLIDATION OF DISPATCH CENTERS HAVE DIED IN SUBCOMMITTEES TWICE, MOST RECENT MARCH OF THIS YEAR. THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL US THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT DESERVES THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION AND CONTINUED PUBLIC DISCUSSION. THE CITY OF TALLAHASSEE, OUR OWN STATE CAPITAL, DOES NOT USE THEIR COUNTY'S DISPATCH CENTER.

INSTEAD, THEY UTILIZE A THIRD PARTY DISPATCH CENTER, DEMONSTRATING THAT THERE ARE OTHER MODELS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT BEFORE MAKING THIS DECISION. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SERVICES ARE CONSOLIDATED.

SINCE TRANSFERRING THE DISPATCH OF PALM BAY FIRE TO THE COUNTY, IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT RESPONSE TIMES HAVE INCREASED BY SEVERAL MINUTES.

SEVERAL MINUTES FOR THE CITIZEN HAVING A HEART ATTACK NEEDING CPR, THE ONE TRAPPED IN A VEHICLE, A CHILD WHO IS INJURED OR LOST, OR THE OFFICER THAT NEEDS HIS OWN EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE.

THOSE SEVERAL MINUTES COULD BE THEIR ENTIRE LIFETIME.

THIS IS BOTH A CITIZEN AND AN OFFICER SAFETY ISSUE.

AND IF WE MOVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

EVIDENCE WILL SHOW THAT THEY DO NOT RECEIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE CURRENTLY PROVIDED.

WHAT STANDARDS WILL BE IN PLACE TO TO ENSURE PALM BAY RESIDENTS RECEIVE THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICES? AND HOW DO WE HOLD ANOTHER AGENCY ACCOUNTABLE IF WE DON'T? I ASK YOU TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS, THE OFFICERS, AND THE CURRENT QUALITY OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES BY PLACING PALM BAY FIRST AND KEEPING OUR TELECOMMUNICATORS IN PALM BAY. AND IF THIS IS THE GREATEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY, LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.

THANK YOU. BUTCH. BUTCH.

YEAH. KIND OF. WAIT TILL THEY STOP CLAPPING A LITTLE BIT.

WHICH RAN 219 TRENTON AVENUE, WEST MELBOURNE, ROCKLEDGE, MERRITT ISLAND, PORT, SAINT JOHN MIMS, PARTS OF COCOA. HOW MANY CALLS IS THAT CENTER CURRENTLY TAKING PER DAY? IT'S MY QUESTION. A NEW CAD SYSTEM. WHAT WOULD IT COST THE CITY TO PUT ONE IN? I JUST HEARD YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE 2 TO $6 MILLION AT SOME TIME.

WOULD THAT BUY A NEW SYSTEM? AND WITH ALL THOSE CITIES THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY CONTROLLING, HOW MANY MISSED CALLS HAS HAPPENED? IF THEY HAVE THOSE STATS.

THANK YOU. ALRIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. ALRIGHT. 858 BRISBANE STREET.

MR. MORTON, WE HAVE ALL BEEN UP HERE TALKING.

AND YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED AT ANYBODY HERE. HOW ARE YOU EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR PRESENCE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HERE FOR, FOR YOU GUYS TO ACCEPT AND UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR CITY. WE ARE THE BIGGEST CITY.

WE ARE PROUD TO LIVE IN PALM BAY. I UNDERSTAND FINANCIAL ISSUES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

MONEY. THIS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTY, WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE.

IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY. WHY DON'T YOU AUDIT YOUR DEPARTMENTS? YOUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT HAS MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE MAKING OVER $100,000.

WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT MR. MORTON'S OFFICE? HOW? TALK ABOUT THE THE THE LEGAL OFFICE? PATRICIA'S OFFICE.

HOW MANY ATTORNEYS HAVE WE HAVE HIRED LATELY? LOOK, IT'S VERY SIMPLE. DISPATCH HAS TO STAY HERE.

THE BILLS DID NOT PASS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PASS.

THEY'VE DIED TWICE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AROUND AT LEAST UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

NEXT YEAR IS NOT GOING TO PASS AGAIN. THE ISSUE OF CYBER SECURITY, AND YOU CAN ATTEST TO THAT IF YOU HAVE EVERYTHING CENTRALIZED IN ONE OFFICE AND WE GET HIT, IT'S DONE. WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE CAN'T HAVE IT CENTRALIZED.

WE ARE THE LARGEST CITY. WE NEED TO TAKE PRIDE IN OURSELVES AND HAVE OUR OWN DEPARTMENT, OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR OWN DISPATCHERS. WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON A NEW POLICE BUILDING JUST BECAUSE LEADERSHIP WANTS A NEW BUILDING.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON HUMANS. THESE PEOPLE HAVE.

FAMILIES HAVE INVESTED THEIR TIME, THEIR LIVES.

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THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND MR. MORTON, WHO'S PAID BY US AND SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGING US, HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, NOT THE BOTTOM LINE DOLLAR. MY PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A TOWN HALL OR A MEETING TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THIS AND DO WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT, NOT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT, NOT WHAT THEY WANT. WHAT WE WANT.

WE PAY TAXES AND WE CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE. WE CAN SIMPLY SELL OUR HOUSES AND LEAVE.

AND THEN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO PALM BAY? IT'S GOING TO BE OVER AND DONE WITH.

BUT WE ARE PROUD MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE HERE FOR YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE US AND RESPECT US AND LISTEN TO US, WHICH IS WHAT THIS WHOLE ELECTION WAS ABOUT, WASN'T IT? ABOUT BEING HEARD ABOUT, LISTENED TO AND RESPECTED.

AND THIS MAN IS SHOWING NO RESPECT TO ANYBODY HERE BECAUSE HE HASN'T LOOKED UP, NOT EVEN ONCE, OF ME SAYING SOMETHING TO HIM. AND I HOPE WITH YOU GUYS WINNING THE ELECTION THAT YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT WE ARE HERE.

WE ARE BLEEDING, WE ARE SAD, WE ARE CRYING FOR OUR DISPATCHERS AND HE HAS HIS HEAD BURIED.

YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HE CAN'T FACE IT. THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

WE NEED TO KEEP OUR DISPATCHERS HERE. THIS IS WHERE THEY BELONG.

OUR OFFICERS ARE PROTECTED BECAUSE OF THEM. THESE OFFICERS TRUST THEM AND LOVE THEM.

BECAUSE WHEN THERE'S DANGER THERE, RIGHT BEHIND THEM, TAKING CARE OF THEM.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE HOLD A TOWN HALL AND HAVE EVERYBODY HERE PRESENT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

DON'T MAKE DECISIONS THAT DON'T WANT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. STAND FAST. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, MR. MISSPEAK, THOUGH. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I SIT NEXT I SIT NEXT TO MR. MORTON CLOSEST TO HIM WHERE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER. HE'S NOT THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION, BUT HE HAS BEEN DILIGENTLY KEEPING NOTES THE ENTIRE TIME EVERY SPEAKER HAS COME UP TO SPEAK. SO THE GENTLEMAN IS MULTITASKING. HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB FOR THE CITY.

I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM, AND IT'S NOT HIS JOB TO LIFT HIS HEAD UP.

HE'S LISTENING TO WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING. SO MR. MORTON PLACED THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

HE SAID THAT BEFORE YOU EVEN SHOWED UP TO THE MEETING. RIGHT.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. THIS IS THE THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT THE DECISION.

BUT, MA'AM MR. MORTON, I WAS JUST WHAT I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT.

I ACTUALLY AM THE ONE WHO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, TO HEAR FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS TONIGHT, TO TAKE THE COMMENTS. SO NOT AVOIDING ANY ISSUE. I WANTED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. MA'AM, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.

MA'AM, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, MA'AM, PLEASE.

IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER, SIR? THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKER. THANK YOU.

SIR, IF I SAID YOU COULD COME BACK UP WITH YOUR CHIEF AND AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

YES, SIR. JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR.

YES, SIR. JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO ADD. SOME ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD ASKED HOW MANY FIRE CALLS.

22,000. ROUGHLY 22,000. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR CALL VOLUME, WE HAVE, WE HANDLE ROUGHLY 450,000 CALLS PER YEAR.

22,000 OF THOSE ARE FROM THE FIRE CALLS THAT WE GET.

SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN OUR NUMBER. CITY OF PALM BAY HANDLES ABOUT 160,000.

22,000 OF THOSE ARE BROUGHT HERE AND THEN HAVE TO BE TRANSFERRED TO US TO TO, TO DISPATCH AND TO, TO HANDLE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CALL VOLUME, WE HANDLE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CALLS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET FOR MR. MORTON LETTERS FROM THE POLICE AGENCIES THAT HAVE MERGED WITH US FROM THEIR CHIEFS.

AND THEY ARE ECSTATIC WITH THE THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE WITH THE SERVICE THAT THEY GET.

AND SOME OF THEM HAVE EVEN COMMENTED THAT IT HAS BROUGHT THE AGENCIES EVEN CLOSER TOGETHER IN INFORMATION SHARING AND EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

TO THE TYLER NEW WORLD QUESTION THAT CAME UP ABOUT THE COST AND THE PRICING OF IT.

YOU'LL ACTUALLY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CHIEF, CORRECT ME HERE. YOU'LL PIGGYBACK OFF OF OUR LICENSE, WHICH WILL SAVE THE CITY TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF OF MONEY. AND THEN TYLER NEW WORLD IS, IS, WILL BE VIRTUALLY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AT THAT POINT.

AND EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO IT. SO IT WILL HELP WITH THE SOLVING OF CASES WITH IDENTIFYING SUSPECTS, IDENTIFYING PREVIOUS CALLS FOR SERVICE, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

FROM THERE THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IS HOW MANY VACANCIES WE HAD FOR OUR AGENCY.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE TEN VACANCIES. WE, WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE 27 MEMBERS.

WE WILL CREATE THE ADDITIONAL FTE POSITIONS TO BRING THEM ON BOARD WITH US.

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SO FOR AN OPERATION OF OUR SIZE TO ONLY HAVE TEN VACANCIES.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE TEN, IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AND MAKE THIS WORK FOR EVERYBODY.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.

LET ME LET ME START WITH THE OTHER END OF THE DAIS.

COUNCILMAN LANDRY. I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ARE WE GOING TO DO DISCUSSION AFTER THIS OR. YEAH.

ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR HIM. NO, NO IT'S GREAT PRESENTATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, SHERIFF. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMAN HAMMOND. ANY QUESTIONS? MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS TO FOLLOW OFF OF MR. BUTCHER RAN.

AND I'VE SEEN, EVEN WITH OUR DISPATCH OR WITH CALLS, EVEN PERSONALLY, THAT SOMETIMES THINGS GET MISSED IN THE LOOP. THINGS HAPPEN. I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. ORAN HAD MENTIONED WAS WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT YOU'VE TALKED, THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT ON, OR THE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU BROUGHT ON INITIALLY OR IN THE BEGINNING, OR EVEN CURRENTLY.

IS THERE MISCOMMUNICATION OR MISALIGNMENT IN REGARDS TO.

SO I THINK THE BEST ANSWER FOR THAT IS, AS THE FIRE CHIEF SAID YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF GLITCH, ESPECIALLY IN A, IN A NEW SYSTEM. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK THROUGH MOST OF THOSE, EVERYTHING FROM THE IT SIDE OF THINGS TRYING TO, TO GET THE CONSOLES EVERYTHING UP AND RUNNING.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE 5 OR 6 OTHER OPPORTUNITIES NOW TO WORK THAT AND TO FLOW IT AS WE'RE BRINGING OUR TIMELINE TO TO COME ON.

BUT, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, IN OUR BUSINESS THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A GLITCH, WHETHER THAT GLITCH IS SOMETHING TECHNICAL OR SOMETHING FROM A HUMAN ERROR.

THE KEY TO IT ALL, AND THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST PROUD OF OUR TEAM FOR IS THE PARTNERSHIP WE CREATE, THE PARTNERSHIP WE CREATE WITH THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIREFIGHTING AGENCIES AND PARAMEDICS IN THAT WE COMMUNICATE, WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND AND WE FIXED THOSE THINGS.

AND WHEN THEY BRING THEM TO OUR ATTENTION, OUR COMMANDER IS JUMPING ON IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU EXPECT AND THAT OUR CITIZENS DEMAND.

SO WE, WE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THOSE.

AND, AND AGAIN, CREDIT TO, TO YOUR TEAM HERE.

EVERYTHING I HEAR ABOUT THEM IS THEY DO A DYNAMIC JOB, BUT THEY WILL STILL HAVE MISTAKES.

THAT'S JUST, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS. THE KEY TO IT IS TO MINIMIZE THOSE MISTAKES, FIX THOSE MISTAKES MONDAY MORNING, QUARTERBACK THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND THEN THIS IS I GUESS THIS IS MORE SO FOR EVERYBODY.

I DO AGREE WITH THE ARE YOU I'M GOING TO DISMISS THE.

OKAY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF AT THIS POINT? NO QUESTIONS. MAYOR. THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING DOWN. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR FOR ACTUALLY COMING IN AND SHARING YOUR YOUR YOUR INFORMATION.

I'M SURE THERE'LL BE MORE INTEL THAT YOU'LL BE PROVIDING.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH MR. MORTON, IS TO GATHER ALL THIS INTEL, ALL THESE NUMBERS, AND AND HAVE US ACTUALLY MAKE A SOUND DECISION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GATHERING FACTS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING SO MUCH TIME OF YOUR DAY TO BE HERE AMONG US.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. AS I SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MOTIONS, A LOT OF CHANGE, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THROUGHOUT PALM BAY, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY, ARE GETTING A LEVEL OF SERVICES SECOND TO NONE AND KEEPING THEM SAFE, KEEPING EVERYBODY SAFE ACROSS THE BOARD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY.

YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SHIFT TO THE THE CITY MANAGER BUT GO AHEAD.

WELL IT KIND OF TEES IT OFF TO THAT. WHEN I WAS IN THE, I THINK IT WAS EITHER MONDAY OR TWO, IT WAS MONDAY. I STOPPED BY CITY HALL TO ASK HIM LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HEARING THE OPINION FROM BOTH SIDES.

I'M HEARING THE INFORMATION FROM BOTH SIDES. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, YOU KNOW, DATA DRIVEN RESULTS.

AND WITH THAT, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED WAS RESPONSE TIME ANALYSIS.

AND I AGREE WITH THAT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE AS A COUNCIL, WE GET THAT INFORMATION FROM BCSO, GET THE INFORMATION FROM OUR CITY MANAGER, LOOK AT THE TWO AND MAKE A SOUND DECISION FROM THERE.

WELL, AND TO THAT EFFORT, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH OUR CITY MANAGER REGARDING THIS ISSUE BECAUSE AS OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS TAILORING THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF TODAY. AND SO IN HIS THOUGHT PROCESS WAS GATHERING THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION FROM OUR TEAM AND, AND THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO TAILOR THESE COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE STUDY BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A STUDY LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME CALLS,

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YEAH, THIS WAS SUPER HELPFUL JUST TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, HEAR DIFFERENT CONCERNS AND ISSUES. THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE. IDENTIFICATION PROCESS IS BRINGING IT TO THE PUBLIC AND ASKING WHAT THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS REALLY ARE.

AGAIN, IT WAS DONE AT A BUDGET HEARING. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT DESERVED TO BE AT A COUNCIL MEETING. SO HERE WE ARE. WE GOT A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF US, A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF THINGS TO LOOK AT AND EXAMINE AS WAS BROUGHT UP WORKING ON, ON WHAT THE ACTUAL RESPONSE TIME NUMBERS ARE FROM THE BCSO, AUDITING OUR OWN NUMBERS, DROPS, DELAYS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

LOOKING AT THE TECHNOLOGY COMPARISON. SO I KNOW I'VE BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT IS THE ETA? I DON'T HAVE AN ETA. I'M NOT RUSHING THIS. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST DRIVING LIKE A BUFFALO THROUGH A CHINA SHOP.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE DATA ONE STEP AT A TIME AND ASSEMBLE A COMPETENT, COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ALSO, I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON THAT HIGHLIGHTED IT AS WELL.

WAS THE CAD SYSTEM RIGHT? BEING ON THE NEW CAD SYSTEM AND WE ASKED THE CHIEF.

SO GETTING ALL THAT INFORMATION SO THAT EVERYONE'S INPUT IS VALUED IS, IS, IS THE WAY TO GO ON THIS.

RIGHT NOW WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER THE INTANGIBLES, RIGHT? AND I, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS THAT WEREN'T DISCUSSED AT THE SAME TIME.

SO AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF IS ALL ABOUT OFFICER SAFETY, RIGHT? BUT 160,000 PEOPLE IS, IS AN INSURMOUNTABLE TASK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SMOOTH THAT TRANSITION COULD BE, BUT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE WHETHER WE GO DOWN THIS RANGE OR NOT. I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT STUDY AND AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, BUT I'M INTERESTED TO SEE. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A TIME FRAME, SIR, BUT I'M INTERESTED TO SEE, YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS AS THEY COME IN SO I COULD DIGEST THEM INDIVIDUALLY, IF YOU WILL.

SO JUST JUST SOME CLARITY. YOU KNOW, WE WE GAVE DIRECTION IN A BUDGET MEETING TO HAVE MR. MORTON MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. I FELT LIKE THIS MEETING TODAY WAS JUST TO, TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

I, I FELT THE DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE. AND THAT A CONTRACT WOULD BE COMING BACK FOR US TO VOTE ON.

ONCE THOSE, ONCE ALL THESE DETAILS THAT WERE DISCUSSED PUBLICLY AND FURTHERMORE, WITH OUR COMMAND STAFF AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS. MR. MORTON. YEAH, I DO HAVE A DRAFT CONTRACT.

RIGHT. THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN IN EARNEST SENDING US DOCUMENTS.

WE'VE GOT ANALYSIS WE'RE GETTING FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE DONE THE MERGER.

AND THEN TO OUR POINT, WE'RE FORMULATING THOSE QUESTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY WANTS ANSWERED. SO WE HAVE THAT CONTRACT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH ISSUES AND IDENTIFICATION OF ISSUES IN THAT THAT DRAFT IS SITTING IN OUR OFFICE AND AGAIN, WE HAD ONE TOUR ALREADY OF THE UNIFIED COMMAND CENTER TOUR STILL OPEN FOR COUNCIL TO GO UP AND SEE AND ASK QUESTIONS.

AND WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. WELL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT EVERY OTHER COUNCIL PERSON, BUT I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO NAVIGATE THIS THROUGH A STUDY PROCESS, NOT THAT IT WAS A DONE DEAL. SO IF THAT WAS MISINFORMATION BY MY PART AND I MISSED IT, THEN I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT THESE NUMBERS I'M NOT AT PEACE WITH THIS.

AND SO THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

PLEASE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYONE ELSE IS AT.

I KNOW THAT'S I WAS, I WAS THERE TOO. I WAS BROUGHT UP DURING A BUDGET MEETING.

I WAS THINKING, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT.

WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO IT. THIS WAS JUST THE FIRST DISCUSSION OF IT. BUT ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT'S WHY I STOPPED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WAS TO UNDERSTAND, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING ON THURSDAY? LIKE, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION? ARE YOU EXPECTING US TO MAKE A VOTE RIGHT NOW? OR WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE IF IT'S FOR US TO MAKE A VOTE RIGHT NOW, I NEED THE DATA.

AND HE CAN ATTEST TO THAT. AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION.

HE WAS LIKE, WE'RE IN DATA COLLECTION MODE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING EVERYTHING BACK TO YOU. AND HERE WE ARE.

SO OKAY. COUNCILMAN HIM. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO AGREE.

I NEED THE DATA AS WELL. BUT ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE BEAR IN THE ROOM THAT NOBODY'S DISCUSSING.

WHAT IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IF THERE IS FOR SOME REASON A MANDATE FOR THIS AND WE HAVE NO WE HAVE NO HAND TO NEGOTIATE.

LIKE WHAT HAPPENS? I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR MAYBE YOU OR WAYNE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE MANDATE COMES THROUGH IS THAT

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HOW DOES THAT LOOK? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GET LAID OFF. THAT'S MY PROBLEM IS, IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY WITHOUT A JOB BECAUSE TALLAHASSEE WANTS TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

AND I HAVE THIS. I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH DANNY ALVAREZ.

I CAN REACH OUT. I CAN GET FUNDAMENTALS ON HOW THIS IS GOING DOWN, BUT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? SHOULD WE SHOULD WE SAY, SAY, OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WHEN IT PASSES.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION FOR NEGOTIATIONS IF AND WHEN IT PASSES OR IS IT RIGHT NOW OR NOTHING? I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S RIGHT NOW OR NOTHING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE REASONS YOU GUYS OPENED THIS DOOR.

WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT'S BARELY BALANCED. IT IS BALANCED.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A SINGLE PURCHASE OF A POLICE CAR GOING INTO THIS YEAR.

WE NEED 25 POLICE CARS, $1.75 MILLION. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY.

OUR FINANCIAL REALITY IS GETTING TIGHTER EVERY YEAR, NOT BIGGER. THE CITIZENS ARE TELLING US TO REDUCE TAXES AND SPENDING, NOT INCREASE IT. WE ELIMINATED 32 POSITIONS OUT OF THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.

WE CUT EVERY EXPENSE WE COULD. WE ELIMINATED SOME TRAVEL AND TRAINING.

WE. I MEAN, I COULD GO DOWN WE WENT DOWN THE LIST AT THE BUDGET MEETING. WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO CUT, CUT, CUT. WE'VE GOT CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS COMING UP THIS YEAR.

MY EXPERIENCE WITH CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS IS UNIONS DON'T ASK FOR LESS. THEY ASK FOR MORE. WE HAVE FINANCIAL REALITIES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PREPARE FOR.

AND IN THAT, THIS WAS YET ANOTHER DOOR TO OPEN TO LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I CAN'T REALLY SPECULATE ON WHAT HAPPENS A YEAR FROM NOW, IF LEGISLATION COMES THROUGH AND PASSES, MY EXPECTATION AT THAT POINT IS THE LEGISLATION IS GOING TO SET CERTAIN THINGS AT STONE THAT MAY BE PAST THE POINT OF NEGOTIATION, OR IF THE SHERIFF IS AT ONE POINT TRYING TO ABSORB THE REST OF THE COUNTY IN A SMALL TIME FRAME.

WHO KNOWS? IF WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE AND CREATE THE CULTURE INSIDE WITH OUR OWN APP THAT WE WANT, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE POINTS I THINK ABOUT. I CAN'T SAY THOSE ARE TRUE. SO I GO BACK TO THE OLD ADAGE, WHEN YOU'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, YOU'RE USUALLY ON THE MENU. WE HAVE A CHANCE TO BE AT THE TABLE AND WALK THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LANDSMAN.

YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. WELL, FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER.

YOU KNOW, HE WAS GIVEN DIRECTION, WENT WENT INTO IT IMMEDIATELY.

AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THIS INCREDIBLY HARD.

THANK YOU TO THE SHERIFF FOR, FOR TAKING THIS IMMEDIATELY AND, AND WORKING WITH THE CITY.

MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE OF ONE OF THE BEST SHERIFFS IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY, PROBABLY HE'S GOT A GREAT COMMAND STAFF. I ALSO THINK WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE CHIEF AND A GREAT COMMAND STAFF.

SO IN MY OPINION, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN ANY TYPE OF TRANSITION, THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF HICCUPS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFESSIONALS.

OUR CITY MANAGERS ARE PROFESSIONAL. THE THREE OF THEM ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO, TO BRING THIS TOGETHER.

AND THERE, AND FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT MOVE.

IT CAN BE DONE. AND, AND THAT THEY CAN GET IT TO A PRETTY SMOOTH TRANSITION.

AND I APPRECIATE OUR CHIEF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS GOING TO GO DOWN, THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS THE SMOOTHEST TRANSITION POSSIBLE.

SO IN MY OPINION, THESE ARE THE PROFESSIONALS AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY CAN DO IT.

THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER, I THINK A GREAT WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THEY'RE ADVOCATING FOR THE SMOOTHEST TRANSITION POSSIBLE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS WHILE ALSO ALLOWING US, LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID WE ARE GROWING CITY AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE SMALLEST CITIES PER CAPITA POLICE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND SO HOW DO WE BRING ON MORE POLICE OFFICERS, AND HOW DO WE BRING ON MORE POLICE CARS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR GROWING CITY AT THE SAME TIME? SO IN MY OPINION. I BELIEVE WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS IN CHARGE RUNNING THIS SHOW AND I'M LEANING TOWARDS TRUSTING THOSE PROFESSIONALS.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M A TWO AND THERE'S A THREE.

SO THAT'S THE MATH I YIELD. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. DEPUTY MAYOR. SO I'M A CONSENSUS OF COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOU GENTLEMEN LIE. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE A DATE CERTAIN TO THE CITY MANAGER.

NOT AN OPEN ENDED DATE, BUT A DATE CERTAIN OF.

HEY, THIS IS WHEN WE WANT TO SEE THE DRAFT CONTRACT.

AND ALSO THE DATA THAT THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

FIRST MEETING SEPTEMBER. I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO MR. MORTON OR I WAS SAYING FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

UNLESS. MR.. MORE LONG IT TAKES FOR THE ASSESSMENT OR FOR THE ANALYSIS ON ONE SECOND.

MR. MORTON, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED FOR THE STUDY? AND I'M NOT SURE, BUT HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED FOR THE STUDY? I DO NOT KNOW. TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. WE'RE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION.

I LEARNED A LOT OF NEW THINGS TONIGHT THAT I WANT TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY REPORT BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND GIVE YOU PROGRESS UPDATE AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT I WANT TO CONSIDER THE COMMENTS THAT

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EXAMINE THE CALL VOLUMES. RIGHT. THERE'S SOME THINGS I KNOW UNEQUIVOCALLY WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO ADDRESS. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE THEN. I JUST THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT I'M, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO PEACE WITH IT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S NOT TO SAY I WON'T HAVE PEACE WITH IT.

BECAUSE COUNCILMAN HAMMER, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I CONSIDER EACH AND EVERYBODY'S JOB AND THEIR NUMBERS, BUT EVEN MORE OVER I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A FEW YEARS AND I MAY NOT LOOK IT, BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A FEW YEARS AND I'VE SEEN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, AND I'VE SEEN THINGS THAT WE CAN'T GAUGE EVEN WITH QUESTIONS.

SO EVEN THOUGH I MAY GET THERE WHEN I SEE DIFFERENT FACTS WITH NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT AT PEACE WITH IT.

SO THAT THAT HASN'T CHANGED. AND WHATEVER YOU CAN DO MISTER, MISTER MORTON, TO ACTUALLY GET THAT INTEL AND PIECEMEAL IT TO US AS IT COMES IN, I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP EVERYONE INVOLVED.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN? I AM WITH DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE OF SETTING SOME FORM OF A DATE.

IF IF FIRST MEETING IS SEPTEMBER IS TOO EARLY, MAYBE THE SECOND MEETING IS SEPTEMBER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SMART GOALS, SPECIFIC, MEASURABLE, ATTAINABLE, REASONABLE AND TIMELY.

SO LET'S SET SOME TIME. IF HE'S ASKING FOR TIME AND YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO PUT THIS ON SEPTEMBER.

HE HASN'T EVEN FORMULATED ALL THE QUESTIONS IN THE STUDY.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING. SECOND THING, IN MY OPINION, RIGHT? FOR US TO TO SET A TIMELINE WHEN THE BUDGET, THEY'RE ALREADY FUNDED TILL SEPTEMBER OF 27, RIGHT? SO IF IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY PLEASE, WE'RE DISCUSSING IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY SEPTEMBER RIGHT NOW, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE MAY BE OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO STUDY.

IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT NUMBERS, THEN LET'S LOOK AT NUMBERS.

BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT AT PEACE. NOW I'M JUST ONE VOTE HERE.

BUT I, I WILL SAY THAT I WOULD WANT TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS TO SEE IF I CAN SEE HOW WE COULD GET OUR TEAM TO BE PART OF OF THEM. IF NOT, WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I UNDERSTAND MAYOR, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO NUMBERS, I GOT DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, AND THEN I GOT COUNCILMAN LAND. WHAT? I'M YOU RESPONDING TO ME, MAYOR? BUT WHEN IT COMES TO NUMBERS, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO PULL THE NUMBERS I FEEL I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

CAN YOU LEAVE IT UP TO MATT FOR MR.. OKAY. YEAH.

BUT I JUST KNOW I'VE SEEN ALSO, WHEN THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T SOMETHING SET IN PLACE IN REGARDS TO ACCOUNTABILITY.

ALL RIGHT SIR. THAT'S IT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING YOU'RE LOOKING TO MAKE A DECISION SEPTEMBER.

NOT NECESSARILY SEPTEMBER. BUT I JUST I DON'T WANT IT TO BE PUSHED MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH.

THAT'S ALL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DEPUTY MAYOR. SO THE REASON FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHY THE THE BUDGETARY SAVINGS IN THE FIRST YEAR ISN'T AS GREAT AS YEARS TWO AND THREE IS BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE TRANSITION RIGHT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO FUND, IN MY OPINION, THE THE DISPATCH THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF 27 AND THEN TURN OVER IN OCTOBER OF 27.

THE TRANSITION WOULD WOULD START PRIOR TO. SO WE WOULD HAVE A SHARED COST.

IN FISCAL YEAR 27, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE A SHARED COST IN FISCAL YEAR 27.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE SOONER THAN LATER.

AND ONE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON AND MR. MORGAN CAN EXPLAIN MORE TO IT, AND POSSIBLY THE CHIEF IS THE REAL ESTATE. IT'S GOING TO FREE UP IN THAT BUILDING FOR, FOR OTHER NEEDS. RIGHT. THE CHIEFS TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO BUILD A CENTRAL CAMPUS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF REAL ESTATE FOR, FOR OUR PEOPLE TO WORK.

SO THAT WAS A WHOLE NOTHER PERSPECTIVE ON WHY THE TRANSITION IS BENEFICIAL, IN MY OPINION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. YES, MAYOR.

TO YOUR POINT, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS TIMELY.

I ALSO THINK THAT, LIKE MR. BURTON, HAS NEVER GIVEN US A REASON TO TO DOUBT THAT HE'LL BRING IT BACK.

SO I WOULD I WAS JUST KIND OF LEANING ON LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO PUT A DATE ON IT, PUT A DATE ON IT, OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A REASON WHY THAT DATE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET TO THAT DATE AND YOU HAVE A REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT READY, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THE EXPLANATION, BUT I DO, I DO THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD IDEA TO JUST PUT A DATE ON IT.

SAY WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK. AND BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF MR.

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ALL RIGHT. MR. MORTON, WHAT DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? CAN WE.

IF WE CAN SHOOT FOR SEPTEMBER 17TH? THAT'S THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE.

I WILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO BRING BACK COMPLETE.

I'LL BRING BACK EVERYTHING I'VE GOT AND HOPEFULLY COMPLETE DATA SETS BY THEN.

OKAY, SO SEPTEMBER 17TH, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

SO DO YOU. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT THEN, GENTLEMEN? SEPTEMBER 17TH 26. YES. OKAY. SO YOU'LL BRING IT BACK SEPTEMBER 17TH.

ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, SHERIFF, THANKS FOR COMING THROUGH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ENTIRE TEAM. AND THANK YOU FOR SPENDING MOST OF THE NIGHT WITH US AS WELL.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS. OUTSTANDING. SO OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS PUBLIC WORKS AND KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES.

WE HAVE. SO, MR. MORTON, LET'S LET'S GIVE IT A FEW MINUTES SO WE COULD LET THE CHAMBERS CLEAR OUT.

I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

WE ARE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS:]

PHASE ONE OF THE RETURN OF GO ROADS. AND WE'VE GOT OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, KEVIN BRINKLEY, AND A CONSULTANT, I BELIEVE, ALSO FROM KIMLEY-HORN TO LAUNCH PHASE ONE.

AND I THINK LEAVE YOU SOME PHASE TWO ASKS, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THIS GENERATES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED, MR. BRINKLEY, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. MORTON. KEVIN BRINKLEY, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TEE OFF AND INTRODUCE OUR ASSOCIATES FROM KIMLEY-HORN TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STAGES IN OUR GO ROADS PROGRAM.

SO I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY JUST BEGIN THE INTRODUCTION WITH A RECAP OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS DATE.

SO 2017, WE KICKED OFF THE GO ROADS PROGRAM WITH THAT FIRST PCI.

THIS IS I'M INTRODUCING THEM. THEY HAVE A TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION. SO JUST GIVE ME TAKE TWO SECONDS. SORRY. WE STARTED IN 2017 WITH THE FIRST PCI WHERE WE FOUND OUT THE CITY'S SCORE WAS AN AVERAGE OF 68 2019 TO 2025, WE REPAVED MOST ABOUT 60% OF OUR ROAD NETWORK.

AND AND THEN IN 2025, WE PAUSED ALL THE GO ROADS INITIATIVES TO GET AN UPDATED PCI AND REASSESS OUR SITUATION.

THAT'S WHERE WE LEARNED THAT OUR PCI HAD GONE FROM 68 TO 86.

AND WE ASKED KIMLEY-HORN TO WORK WITH US TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS IN THE GO ROADS, BONDS, AND THE MULTITUDE OF ROADS THAT WE HAD STILL TO ADDRESS.

SO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO WAS WORK WITH US TO COME UP WITH A POLICY ON WHAT TYPES OF PAVEMENT TREATMENT TO USE BASED ON THE PCI SCORE AND THE SUBBASE.

THEY, THEY'VE CREATED THAT POLICY. THEY'VE COME OUT AND DONE SOME FIELD TESTING AND INVESTIGATION HERE ON OUR CITY STREETS.

WE'RE GRATEFUL TO THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AND ALL THE PAVING OF THE PAVEMENT, PAVEMENT POUNDING OF THE PAVEMENT THAT THEY'VE DONE. AND WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU GUYS. WELL, WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO PRESENTATIONS. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE IN ABOUT A MONTH. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS CONSENSUS ON DOES THE LOGIC HOLD ON THE POLICY, HOW WE DECIDED WHAT TREATMENTS TO USE? AND ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE RECOMMENDED GROUPINGS OF ROADS THAT THEY HAVE ASKED THAT THEY'VE RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH? IF SO, THAT'LL POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IF NOT, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON OTHER ROADS OR YOU WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING, WE WOULD WANT TO HEAR THAT TONIGHT. THE NEXT PHASE WE WOULD COME BACK WITH WITH IS HERE IS OUR FINAL GROUPING OF THE ROADS.

AND HERE IS HOW WE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROCUREMENT AND BID IT OUT AND ALL THAT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT FINANCIALS IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

SO WITH THAT I WILL INTRODUCE KEVIN STONE AND ANDRES FROM KIMLEY-HORN.

THANK YOU, KEVIN, FOR THE INTRODUCTION. HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. AS MR. BRINKLEY SAID, MY NAME IS KEVIN AS WELL, KEVIN STONE FROM KIMLEY-HORN. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT TO DO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAM. KIND OF PUT A STOP TO THE THINGS AS THEY'VE BEEN GOING TAKING AN ANALYSIS AND AN ASSESSMENT OF WHERE WE ARE AND REALLY JUST TRY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BEST SPEND WHAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD AND TO, TO GET TO A SUCCESSFUL POSITION AT THE END OF THIS.

SO HE DID A GREAT JOB OF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BRINGING US UP TO SPEED WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF MY PRESENTATION. SO I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT, BUT I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH IT.

AS YOU MENTIONED, EIGHT YEARS AGO, THE GO PROGRAM BEGAN A TOTAL OF ABOUT $150 MILLION IN TOTAL GO ROADS BONDING 791 MILES OF ROAD.

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ARE WE LOOKING AT THE COMPOUND, NEWLY ADDED ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT NUMBER EIGHT YEARS AGO, FOR EXAMPLE. SO I TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. BUT IN THAT BALLPARK WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LOT ABOUT THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREATMENTS. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONE, IT HAS A LOT OF COST IMPLICATIONS, WHICH TREATMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHICH ONE WE CHOOSE.

MOST COMMONLY WILL HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THAT BUDGET.

BUT ALSO IT'S GOING TO ALLUDE TO WHAT OUR POLICY IS.

SO OUR POLICY IS HEAVILY TIED TO THESE TREATMENT TYPES.

THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH A POLICY AS WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT WORD A LOT IS CHOOSING THE CORRECT TREATMENT.

A LOT OF FUNDING THAT WE'RE ALLOCATING HERE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND IF WE'RE APPLYING THAT FUNDING TO THE WRONG TYPE OF TREATMENT, IT CAN BE MONEY NOT WELL SPENT MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN THAT DOESN'T LAST US.

SO THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHOOSING THE RIGHT TYPES OF TREATMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT MONEY.

A LITTLE ENGINEERING BACKGROUND FOR EVERYONE HERE.

SO I TWO PRIMARY REHABILITATION TYPES THAT ARE PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

AND WHEN I SAY PRIMARY, ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES? NO, THEY'RE NOT, BUT THEY ARE THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS TO THE SPENDING OF THE FUNDING BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TWO MOST EXPENSIVE. REALLY, WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THE WORST CONDITION YOUR PAVEMENTS IN. THE MORE MONEY IT'S GOING TO COST, IT SHOULD MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS RESURFACING AND THEN SOMETHING CALLED RECLAMATION. REALLY RESURFACING IS YOUR LESS EXPENSIVE OF THE TWO.

THAT'S EVERYTHING WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DISTRESSES AND YOU HAVE FAILURES THAT ARE MOSTLY FOCUSED TO THE SURFACE OF THE PAVEMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CRACKING AND OTHER DISTRESS MANIFESTATIONS THAT EXIST MOSTLY IN THE SURFACE.

ONCE YOU START GETTING A LOT OF DISTRESSES THAT ARE EXISTING BELOW THE SURFACE INTO THE BASE COURSE, THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED TO TAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO ADDRESS THEM. AND THAT'S WHEN THINGS BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE SET OUR POLICY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IDENTIFYING THE ROADS THAT HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE FAILURES THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING, MAKE IT FALL INTO ONE OF THESE TWO CATEGORIES.

THERE'S ALSO A TIMING ASPECT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WITH THIS BECAUSE AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW, PAVEMENT DETERIORATES. IT DOES NOT STAY THE SAME DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR OVER YEAR.

THE CONDITION NOW, IF WE HADN'T DONE ANY GO ROADS WOULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO.

SO THE SOONER WE CAN CATCH PAVEMENTS WHILE THEY'RE STILL, LET'S SAY, IN THE RESURFACING PHASE, THE MORE MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SAVE IN THE LONG TERM.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. WE WANT IT TO BE A HEALTHY BALANCE.

BECAUSE IF WE DO ONE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST DO RESURFACING, WE MIGHT BE IGNORING OUR WORST CONDITION STREETS IF WE JUST FOCUS ON THE WORST CONDITION STREETS. OUR FUNDING ISN'T GOING TO GO AS FAR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET AS MANY ROADS DONE. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT CONTEXT FOR KIND OF HOW WE APPROACH THIS, HOW WE BALANCE OUR PRIORITIZATION OF THE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I JUST WANT TO APPLY THAT SORT OF METHODOLOGY TO EVERYONE SO THEY UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE.

AGAIN, JUST CATCHING UP TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. JUST ABOUT 100 MILLION OF THAT 150 HAS BEEN SPENT.

AND JUST ABOUT 383 MILES HAVE BEEN REPAVED. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S ALL THAT'S BEEN TREATED.

WE HAVE TREATED ROADS IN OTHER WAYS, BUT AS FAR AS RESURFACING OR REHABILITATION, ABOUT 383 MILES OF THAT 791 HAS BEEN REPAVED.

SO HOW DID HOW DID WE GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY? SO WHAT ARE THE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE SEEN? IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES. I WON'T SAY MISTAKES. I'LL SAY LEARN FROM THE CHALLENGES WE'VE SEEN TO GET BETTER MOVING FORWARD. SO IN THE PAST, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN IS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH DATA FROM, IN THIS CASE, CONDITION DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FROM 2017.

THE FURTHER WE GET AWAY FROM THAT DATA, THE MORE UNRELIABLE IT BECOMES.

SO THE MORE CHANGE ORDERS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, THE MORE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE COSTS RISING FROM OUR INITIAL ESTIMATION.

SO INFLATION IS A REAL THING. BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, WITH COVID AND THINGS LIKE THAT COSTS INFLATION HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, NOT WHAT WE ANTICIPATED BACK IN 2017.

THERE WAS NO WAY TO PREDICT THAT. AND THEN MID-PROJECT, YOU KNOW, TAKING OFF THE ASPHALT, SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BASE COURSE WORK TYPES HAVE CHANGED MID-PROJECT AND COSTS HAVE RISEN FOR THAT REASON AS WELL.

SO THERE'S THINGS WE COULD HAVE DONE AND THAT WE ARE DOING NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF AVOID THOSE ISSUES MOVING FORWARD.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE THE NEXT STEPS KIND OF COME INTO PLAY.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FACED WITH THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE AVOID THESE CHALLENGES MOVING FORWARD? SORRY.

AND JUST REALLY MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE WITH, WITH THE REMAINING FUNDS WE DO HAVE.

SO WE KIND OF SUM IT DOWN TO A THREE PART APPROACH.

AS KEVIN SAID, WE UPDATED OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

CURRENT CONDITIONS ACCURATE CONSISTENT DATA IS GOING TO GIVE US A BETTER FOUNDATION FOR MAKING THESE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD.

WE COMPILED ALL OF OUR RECENT GO ROAD PROJECTS TO GET REALISTIC COST ESTIMATES.

AS I, AS I ALLUDED TO BEFORE, THE COSTS FOR THINGS LIKE ASPHALT IS WILDLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BACK IN 2017.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A RECENT DATA TO MAKE TO EXECUTE THIS PLAN AND BE ABLE TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH FUNDING IT'S GOING TO TAKE.

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I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. AGAIN, WE WANT TO REPAVE AS MANY ROADS AS WE CAN.

EVERY ROAD IS IMPORTANT, BUT NOT EVERY ROAD NEEDS TREATMENT TODAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE FOCUS ON THE ROADS THAT REALLY NEED TREATMENT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE PRIORITIZING OUR PROGRAMING AS PART OF THIS PLAN.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE NEW PLAN. SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ABOUT $50 MILLION REMAINS.

WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT AT THAT MARK WITH WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING FOR THIS PLAN TO COST.

WHAT DOES THAT COVER THAT COVERS 83 CENTERLINE MILES OF ROADS.

SO THAT IS A MIX OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROADS.

IT'S NOT JUST LOCALS. IT'S NOT JUST COLLECTORS.

IT IS, IT IS BOTH THE 52 REMAINING IN GO ROADS FUNDING, THAT'S A APPROXIMATE NUMBER THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HIGHER TODAY DUE TO INTEREST AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S OUR BASE WE'RE WORKING WITH.

AND CURRENTLY BASED ON THE POLICY WE SET, AGAIN WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAILS, WE CAN WITH THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, BUT CERTAIN CONDITION RANGES DICTATE DIFFERENT TREATMENTS.

SO BASED ON THAT POLICY WE IDENTIFIED 102 MILES ARE CURRENTLY IN NEED OF TREATMENT.

SO WITH THE REMAINING FUNDS WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY AS WE CAN.

THAT'S WHERE THE 83 MILES COMES FROM. KEVIN MENTIONED WE HAVE INCREASED PCI OVER THE YEARS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AT AN 86 FROM A 68 BACK IN 2017.

AND WITH THIS NEW PLAN THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WILL BRING OUR PCI PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX FROM AN 86 OUT OF 100 UP TO A 91 OUT OF 100, AN INCREASE OF FIVE POINTS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

THESE ARE JUST NUMBERS THAT MAY NOT MEAN A LOT TO YOU. ALL THESE.

THIS NEXT GRAPH GRAPHICS MAY NOT MEAN A LOT MORE, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY CAN KIND OF MAKE AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO 2017 IS ON THE LEFT. THIS WAS THE CITY OF PALM BAY BACK IN 2017.

PAVEMENT CONDITIONS. THE WAY THAT THESE MAPS REPRESENT OUR CONDITION.

GREEN IS GOOD, RED IS BAD. OKAY. ANYTHING IN BETWEEN YELLOWS AND ORANGES ARE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE WIDE SPREAD OF YOUR YELLOWS, YOUR REDS, ESPECIALLY CERTAIN AREAS DOWN IN THE SOUTHWEST THAT WERE OLD DETERIORATED PAVEMENTS. WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TREATING THOSE PAVEMENTS TO NOW IN THE MIDDLE HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS 2026.

THIS IS BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT WE JUST DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. YOU CAN SEE MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS GREEN.

THAT IS GREAT. THIS IS I WORK WITH A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES ALL ACROSS THE STATE, EVEN THE COUNTRY.

AND YOU GUYS COMPARED TO OTHERS. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE USE THE TERM GOOD BECAUSE THAT IS THE PAVEMENT CONDITION RATING NAME.

BUT YOU GUYS ARE AN EXCELLENT STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE IT TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

SO I THINK I JUST WANT TO JUST JUST EMPHASIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S A LOT TO BE PROUD OF HERE, BUT THERE'S MORE WE CAN DO, RIGHT? SO THE NEXT WHEN I CLICK, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IF YOU LOOK KIND OF FOCUS IN THE CENTER OF THE CENTER OF THE MAP.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT OUR PROPOSED PLAN LOOKS LIKE OVERLAID.

TODAY'S CONDITIONS. SO YOU CAN SEE A LARGE MAJORITY OF THOSE STREETS THAT ARE THE YELLOW RED.

THOSE WORST CONDITIONS ARE BEING ADDRESSED. MIX OF TREATMENTS.

AGAIN, THE PURPLE IS MILL AND OVERLAYS. THE BLUE IS THE RECLAMATION TREATMENT WE TALKED ABOUT.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT WE DO BOTH. THE MORE WE LEAN INTO THE ONE, THE LESS WE CAN DO THE OTHER.

SO THIS IS A BALANCE OF BOTH. IT'S AN EFFORT TO KEEP YOU KNOW, LARGE AREAS, DIFFERENT UNITS OF THE CITY ADDRESSED AT ONCE AN EMPHASIS ON OUR COLLECTOR STREETS OR OUR MORE HEAVILY TRAVELED STREETS AS WELL. THERE, THERE, IN THERE MAYBE KIND OF HARD TO SEE FROM WHERE YOU'RE SITTING. SO AS LONG AS THE STREET DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN, IN THE WORKS IN TERMS OF PROGRAMING, LET'S SAY IT'S A WIDENING OR UTILITY PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING UP, THAT THAT THOSE COLLECTOR STREETS THAT ARE IN NEED ARE MAKING ITS WAY INTO OUR PLAN.

AND WITH THAT, THIS IS WHAT THE NETWORK WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TWO YEARS WITH THAT IMPLEMENTED AT THAT PCI OF A 91.

SO THE LAST IMAGE I HAVE, THIS IS JUST A THE SAME PLAN JUST OVERLAID ON TOP OF THE PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED WORK.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR GREEN GOOD PAVEMENT. AND I'LL LEAVE IT THERE NOW AND OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON AND COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

HAMMER CAN GO FIRST. YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE ONE THAT'S ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTHEAST. THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS POSSIBLY MADDEN.

THERE'S HOUSES BETWEEN MADDEN IN THE GREEN AREA THAT AREN'T LISTED THAT ARE JUST MILLINGS.

THERE'S ROADS THERE. IS THERE ANYTHING FOR THAT? BECAUSE YEAH, ANYTHING ON THIS MAP. THIS SHOULD BE CITY MAINTAINED ROADS.

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ONE WE DID NOT CONSIDER MALABAR ROAD BECAUSE REMEMBER AT AND MAP ANYTHING THAT COULD BE WIDENED IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10.

I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE RIPPING IT UP FOR A WIDENING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. DID NOT CONSIDER ANY OF THE ROADS IN THE COMPOUND BECAUSE OBVIOUS REASONS AND DID NOT CONSIDER UNIT 49, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UNIT 49 WAS LAST PAVED, ORIGINALLY PAVED IN 1980 AND HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED SINCE.

SO UNIT 49 AS A WHOLE HAS TURNED INTO MILLINGS FOR THE ROADS AND WILL NEED A FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT ENTIRE UNIT TO BE ABLE TO SO WE DID NOT CONSIDER, DID NOT CONSIDER IT AS PART OF THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS JUST TO RECONSTRUCT ALL OF THE ROADS IN THAT UNIT. I APOLOGIZE, I FAILED TO MENTION THAT IN THE BEGINNING.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE. SO THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST PAYING IN AND NOT GETTING ROADS.

SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE CONTINUATION OF THE PLAN.

IF YOU NOTICE IN THE DO YOU HAVE THAT NEXT GRAPHIC WHERE IT'S THE LARGER MAP WITH JUST THE BLUE.

IF YOU NOTICE THIS, THIS DOES NOT ADDRESS ALL OF THE REMAINDER OF THE ROADS IN THE CITY THAT STILL NEED TO BE TREATED UNDER ROADS.

THE OBJECTIVE OF GO ROADS GET EVERY REPAVE EVERY ROAD IN THE CITY.

SO WE WILL NEED TO CREATE A PLAN AND A STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD.

LIKE THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR PRESENTATION, THERE ARE STILL 19 MILES THAT THAT HAVE SCORED.

THE POLICY IS IF IT'S, IF IT'S LOWER THAN A 65, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT 45 TO 65 MILL AND OVERLAY 45 AND BELOW IS A FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION.

THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE 19 MILES IN THE CITY THAT ARE BELOW A 65.

EVEN IF WE DO, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE ROADS, OKAY, SO WE WILL BE, BUT BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO APPLY THIS SAME POLICY AND THIS SAME FRAMEWORK. THE IDEA HERE IS TO CREATE THE FRAMEWORK AND THEN APPLY THAT MOVING FORWARD AS WE IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. THANK YOU, AND I DO SO MADDEN ROAD WAS DONE LAST. COUNCIL. TWO COUNCILS AGO. AND THE REASON BEING INITIALLY WHEN COUNCILMAN.

BAILEY WAS ON, THERE WAS A SWITCH AROUND EARLY ON IN THE GOLD ROADS BOND PAVING AND UNIT 49 WAS INITIALLY IN THE BEGINNING, BUT THEN IT GOT PUSHED TO THE END. BUT WITH THAT WE STILL WANTED TO HIT MADDEN ROAD BECAUSE THERE WERE HOMES IN THAT AREA AND WE FIGURED MADDEN ROAD BEING ONE OF THE MAIN COLLECTOR ROADS FOR THAT AREA, AT LEAST GET THAT ROAD DONE SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND FROM THEIR HOMES.

YES, THEY STILL GOT TO GO THROUGH SOME BUMPS AND GRINDS TO GET THERE, BUT AT LEAST HAVING MADDEN ROAD WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.

MY FIRST QUESTION, IT MAY BE FOR MR. KEVIN OR MAY BE FOR YOU, SIR.

CHANGE ORDERS. FROM FROM THE DAWN OF THE GOLD ROADS PROGRAM TO NOW, HOW MUCH IN CHANGE ORDERS HAS BEEN SPENT AND COULD THAT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED WITH DESIGN, BUILD OR CMAA? OR COULD IT BE PREVENTED MOVING FORWARD WITH DESIGN TO BUILD OR CMAA? WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING QUITE A BIT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY IDENTIFIED AS YOU ON THE MIC.

I'M SORRY. IT'S HARD TO HEAR ME. I'M SORRY. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING QUITE A BIT.

AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON CREATING THE POLICY AND WHAT TYPES OF TREATMENT TO USE FIRST, BUT WE DID VENTURE OFF INTO THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PROCUREMENT AND THEY, THEY BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OUR PAST INVOICES AND OUR, ALL OF OUR PREVIOUSLY BID OUT UNITS.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF, OF THE INCREASE IN COST WAS CHANGE ORDERS.

SO THEY IDENTIFIED THAT A LOT OF THOSE CHANGE ORDERS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED BY MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT TYPE OF TREATMENT ON A ON A ROADWAY.

SO WE'VE REALLY PLACED AN EMPHASIS ON LOOKING AT PCI SCORE, LOOKING AT THE TYPES OF DISTRESSES AND MAKING SURE, LIKE IN THE SLIDE THAT HE HAD WITH THE FDR VERSUS MILAN.

MILAN PAVE MAKING SURE WE ARE USING THE RIGHT THE CORRECT TREATMENT.

NOT NECESSARILY. I WANT TO GET THIS ENTIRE ROAD DONE.

IT NEEDS TO BE FDR, BUT I CAN ONLY AFFORD A MILL AND OVERLAY, SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK GOOD FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

I'LL GET AWAY WITH IT AND, YOU KNOW, DO IT THE WRONG WAY JUST TO GET IT DONE AND MAKE YOU GUYS HAPPY.

SO THESE ARE THE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE, BUT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT AND TRYING TO AVOID THOSE CHANGE ORDERS.

MR.. KEVIN, I RESPECT YOU SO MUCH, SIR, AND I APPRECIATE YOU.

AND I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP OR THAT HE BROUGHT UP SINCE 2017, COSTS HAVE INCREASED AND A LOT OF IT CAME AFTER COVID.

THAT'S, THAT WAS ANOTHER, EVERYBODY SAW AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT ALSO WITH THE WORK TYPE CHANGES.

MID-PROJECT WAS THAT MORE SO STAFF OR. I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE, SO BUT I DO REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT OF CHANGE OVER IN

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SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A BLESSING IN ITSELF. BUT BUT YES, SIR, A LOT OF THINGS CAN FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS AS THERE IS TURNOVER.

THAT'S. YEAH. AND IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE IF THERE IS TURNOVER.

SO. YES SIR. SO PLEASE STICK IT OUT. PLEASE KEEP ME AROUND.

YEAH. I'M GOOD MAN. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

SO IS OUR INTENTION TO COME BACK IN ABOUT A MONTH'S TIME TO A COUNCIL MEETING WITH A FINALIZED LIST OF ROADS, TYPES OF TREATMENT AND A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE WOULD HOW THEY WOULD RECOMMEND WE BID THIS OUT AND THEN WE WOULD BE SEEKING DIRECTION ON YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC COMMENTS. DEPUTY MAYOR MAYOR, I DID HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD UNDER PRESENTATION.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

EXCUSE ME, BUT YOU RAN 219 TRENTON AVENUE. WHERE DOES UNIT 19 FALL IN ALL THIS THAT YOU'RE TALKING WITH? AND I'M NOT TALKING THE WHOLE UNIT, BUT THE MAIN ROAD GETTING INTO NORTH SANTO DOMINGO IS ALMOST AT A FAILURE.

AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GO ROADS WAS GOING TO FIX THOSE THAT WAS AT FAILURE AND THEN WORK THEIR WAY TO THE OTHERS.

THAT'S ALL THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK YOU'LL WORK WITH BUTCH ON THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE GET BUTCH'S CONTACT INFORMATION, AND WE'LL CHECK THE LIST AND WE'LL GET WITH HIM.

AND THAT HE BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT. WE STILL SPEAK IN UNITS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THESE WERE ORIGINALLY DIVIDED UP.

BUT WE'RE NO LONGER APPROACHING IT IN UNITS AND DOING EVERY ROAD IN A UNIT.

SO THE IDEA IS TO, TO BUTCH'S POINT, FOCUS ON THE COLLECTOR ROADS, THE MAIN ARTERIAL ROADS INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST SCORING 70 OR ABOVE.

AND IF NOT, THEY, THEY TAKE PRIORITY ON, ON OUR, OUR LIST HERE.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU A COPY OF THIS MAP AND THEN THE LIST OF THE ROADS AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. NEXT SPEAKER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YES. YES. MAYOR JOE COLTER. HI AND GOOD EVENING.

I'M JILL COLTER, I LIVE YOU CAN BRING THE THE PODIUM DOWN.

THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, MA'AM. I CAN HEAR YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WOULD FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE.

YEAH. I LIVE AT 360 NESBIT STREET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A MINOR COLLECTOR ROAD DESIGNED TO MOVE RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAJOR ROADWAYS, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, LIKE TO EMERSON DRIVE, PALM BAY ROAD.

NESBIT STREET'S A NARROW TWO LANE ROAD WITH INSUFFICIENT WIDTH FOR EVEN TO HAVE A YELLOW CENTER LINE.

THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR FIVE YEARS.

THE RECURRING STACKING OF THE CARS FROM PINEAPPLE COVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY GRIDLOCKS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I GET STUCK IN MY DRIVEWAY. I SIT IN MY DRIVEWAY YESTERDAY, 20 MINUTES TRYING TO BACK OUT AND NO ONE WOULD LET ME OUT.

IT HAPPENS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WHEN I COME HOME, I GET STUCK TRYING TO GET INTO MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE CARS ARE STOPPED.

THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. THEY'RE STOPPED BLOCKING THE DRIVEWAY.

SO AS A RESIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE ALSO HAD PROBLEMS WITH SERVICE DELIVERY, CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TRYING TO ACCESS MY DRIVEWAY, AND THEY CAN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF THE CARS THAT ARE STACKED UP AND THEY ARE STOPPED, PARKED.

THEY BLOCK MY DRIVEWAY, THEY BLOCK MY MAILBOX, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS DO NOT BLOCK DRIVEWAYS DOWN THE STREET.

NOBODY READS IT. NOBODY PAYS ANY ATTENTION TO IT.

THEY STILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WERE TIRED AND WERE EXHAUSTED.

WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR FIVE YEARS. WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD FALSE PROMISES FROM THE SCHOOL AND THE CITY.

THE CHURCH PARKING LOT THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE OVER OVERFLOW THE CARS.

IT SHOULDN'T BE AN OPTION FOR PARENTS TO CHOOSE TO USE.

IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY DO SO. HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO MAKE A CONNECTING ROADWAY TO THE PARKING LOT TO THE SCHOOL? IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT. THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FOLLOW THE PLAN THAT THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, AND SINCE THEY DID SUBMIT THE SUBMIT THAT PLAN TO THE CITY, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION THAT THEY NOT FULFILL THAT PLAN.

IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY SHOULD DO SO.

I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FRANK WANNABE AND SUZANNE SHERMAN LETTING THEM GO.

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THAT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS. THEY'RE NO LONGER HERE. WE NEED TO MOVE PAST THAT.

SO THE CONTINUED USE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT NEEDS TO STOP.

OUR YARDS ARE NOT A PARKING LOT, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS DO NOT BELONG TO THE SCHOOL, WHICH THEY SEEM TO THINK IT DOES.

AND IN THE FUTURE, THE SCHOOL WANTS TO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL, BUT YET THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM.

NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.

THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TO SUBMIT THIS TO THE CITY.

IT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY PROVEN THAT THEY ARE NOT HONEST OR FORTHCOMING WITH THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

SO AGAIN, I JUST REITERATE THAT THE FACT THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM NOW, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAURA. LAURA REVELS.

GOOD EVENING. I'M LAURA REVELS, AND I LIVE AT 410 NEPTUNE DRIVE IN LOCHMERE.

AND I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT CAN GET LOST WHEN WE DISCUSS TRAFFIC PLANS, DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS AND JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES.

THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

PCA MOVED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS A SMALL CHRISTIAN SCHOOL WITH UNDER 300 STUDENTS, AND WHEN PCA PURCHASED THE SCHOOL, THEY EXPANDED AND BUILT. AND NOW THERE'S, I BELIEVE, 800 STUDENTS FOR NEARLY FIVE YEARS.

THE PRESENCE AND OPERATION OF THIS SCHOOL HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTED THE CHARACTER AND LIVABILITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL STREETS. THEY ARE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

FAMILIES NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME AND GO, ACCESS THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND WALK AND DRIVE SAFELY WITHOUT DEALING WITH A DAILY SURGE OF SCHOOL TRAFFIC.

INSTEAD, RESIDENTS HAVE HAD TO ORGANIZE THEIR LIVES AROUND THE SCHOOL PICK UP TRAFFIC.

WE SEE CARS CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO AVOID LINES, VEHICLES BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS, BLOCKED INTERSECTIONS, ILLEGAL U-TURNS, CONGESTION DRIVING OVER LAWNS AND UNSAFE DRIVING ALTOGETHER.

THE CITY IS ALLOWING A TWO LANE ROADWAY, WHICH IS NESBIT, TO BE OBSTRUCTED BY MAKING IT A ONE WAY ROADWAY FOR OVER A HALF A MILE.

AND EVERY SCHOOL YEAR, RESIDENTS ARE TOLD THAT THE SITUATION WILL BE ADDRESSED.

JUST THIS PAST WEEK, A PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER TOLD ME THAT RESIDENTS SHOULD JUST USE THE OTHER STREETS BESIDES NESBITT WHEN THEY NEED TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEN ANOTHER SCHOOL YEAR BEGINS AND THE SAME PROBLEM RETURNS.

THAT IS WHY I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS NOT SIMPLY A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ISSUE, BUT A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE. HOW LONG SHOULD RESIDENTS BE EXPECTED TO TOLERATE THIS? WE ARE NOW ENTERING OUR FIFTH YEAR AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

IF NOT, IT'S GOTTEN WORSE. AT WHAT POINT DOES THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ITS RESIDENTS OUTWEIGH THE CONVENIENCE OF ALLOWING THE CURRENT SITUATION TO CONTINUE? WE NEED DECISIVE ACTION. WE NEED THE CITY TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL AND FORCE APPLICABLE TRAFFIC RESTRICTIONS, ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PROBLEM AND ESTABLISH A CONCRETE TIMELINE FOR RESOLVING EXISTING ISSUES.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MOST RESIDENTS ARE 100% OPPOSED TO ANY EXPANSION OF THE SCHOOL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE. THIS ISN'T A SILVER LINING FOR THEM TO EXPAND, AND ANY VOTE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ITS EXPANSION. MIKE HAMMER SHOULD EXCUSE HIMSELF FROM ANY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER. RON COOK.

MR. MAYOR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.

MY NAME IS RON COOK. PENGUIN AVENUE. I AM SPEAKING TONIGHT REGARDING THE ONGOING TRAFFIC ISSUES SURROUNDING PINEAPPLE COVE ACADEMY HERE IN LAKEMOOR AND THE LACK OF COOPERATION BETWEEN THE CITY, THE POLICE AND THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION.

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IT'S THE DANGEROUS TRAFFIC BOTTLENECK CREATED PURPOSELY BY THAT SCHOOL.

YES, PURPOSELY CREATED WHEN THE SCHOOL. WHEN THE SCHOOL APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT, THE ORIGINAL CAR LOOP WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY AND IT DID NOT AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL. ON THE FINAL INSPECTION DAY, THE CEO FOR THE CEO, THE CITY ENGINEER, DID NOT REALIZE THE SCHOOL HAD SECRETLY, YES, SECRETLY, WITHOUT THE CITY'S KNOWLEDGE OR APPROVAL, THEY CHANGED THAT ORIGINAL TRAFFIC LOOP TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES, WHICH NOW IMPACTS THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE OF LOCKPORT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE CITY ENGINEER SIGNED OFF ON THE CEO WHEN THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC TO OBSERVE, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL WASN'T EVEN OPEN YET.

MR. MAYOR, OVER FIVE YEARS AGO, YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THIS BLOCK RESIDENTS MET WITH YOU AND THE CITY STAFF AT THAT MEETING.

YOU PERSONALLY ASSURED US THAT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION WOULD BE CORRECTED.

NOW IT'S SIX YEARS. NOW IT'S YEAR SIX AND THE PROBLEM REMAINS.

EVEN AFTER EMAILS UPON EMAILS BY MANY RESIDENTS TO YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER.

WHY HAS THIS BEEN SIX YEARS AND ABSOLUTE NO CHANGE? THE SCHOOL ISSUED A NOTICE TO ALL PARENTS NOT TO PARK ON NESBITT OR NOT TO USE THE SIDE STREETS.

THERE'S A SIGN POSTED STATING NOT TO PARK ON NESBITT.

YET THE DRIVERS PICKING UP THEIR STUDENTS CONTINUE TO IGNORE BOTH.

NESBITT STREET, STILL IN YEAR SIX, EFFECTIVELY BECOMES A ONE WAY ROAD, BLOCKING INTERSECTIONS AND DRIVEWAYS DURING PICKUP AND DISMISSAL TIMES, WHICH TOTALLY OBSTRUCTS THE TRAFFIC FOR OVER HALF A MILE.

WE CAN'T GET OUT OF OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE TWO FLORIDA STATUTES THAT I GAVE EVERYBODY THAT THE TWO FLORIDA STATUTES THAT THE POLICE ARE WELL AWARE OF, AND EVERY COP I KNOW BEING PASSED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW THEM.

BUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT ENFORCE THESE LAWS EVEN AFTER BEING TOLD THEY EXIST TO ENFORCE THEM.

316183 IMPEDING TRAFFIC PROHIBITS DRIVING OR OPERATING A VEHICLE AT A SPEED OR IN A MANNER THAT BLOCKS OR IMPEDES THE NORMAL AND REASONABLE MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THEY'RE IMPEDING IT. 3161945 STOPPING STANDING OR PARKING PROHIBITED.

OUTLINES RULES WHERE STOPPING AND PARKING IN A MANNER THAT OBSTRUCTS MOVING TRAFFIC OR CREATES A HAZARD IS PROHIBITED.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT ANYONE THAT OBSTRUCTING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR OVER A HALF A MILE DOESN'T OBSTRUCT TRAFFIC AND CAUSE A SAFETY ISSUE.

I KNOW THE COPS ARE BUSY ENOUGH. I KNOW THEY DON'T NEED TO BE DEALING WITH PCA AND THE LOCAL RESIDENTS.

THEY DON'T. THERE'S A VERY, VERY EASY RESOLUTION TO THIS.

HAVE THEM GO BY THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY.

ANOTHER ASPECT IS FROM THEIR END OF THEIR DRIVEWAY TO THE NEXT CHURCH THAT'S ON RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THEM. IT'S A VERY EASY PAVEMENT.

THE SCHOOL IS ALLOWING THEM TO PARK THERE. THEY'RE ALLOWING THEM AND THE PARENTS WON'T DO IT, AND THE SCHOOL IS NOT ENFORCING IT. THE SCHOOL IS TELLING THE PARENTS, DO NOT PARK ON NESBITT AND THEY'RE PARKING THERE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I DROVE BY THERE, AND THEY'RE READING BOOKS AND THEY'RE PARKED THERE.

SOME ARE SLEEPING, SOME ARE READING, THEY'RE THERE 20, 30, 40 MINUTES BEFORE SCHOOLS EVEN RECESS.

IT'S RIDICULOUS. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.

MR.. MR. MORTON, YOU CAN CERTAINLY RESOLVE THIS AND THEN MOVE ON AND DEAL ALL OF YOUR TIME IN THE WORLD FOR THE DISPATCHERS AND RESOLVE THAT WHOLE ISSUE AND LEAVE. LEAVE THIS WHOLE ISSUE GONE.

AND IF YOU HAVE SERIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK.

YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS OF, OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE JUST FED UP FOR SIX YEARS.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY I TRIED TO GET OUT OF MY INTERSECTION.

I HAD AN INCH OUT, INCH OUT, INCH OUT. HERE COMES THE CAR.

I ALMOST WE ALMOST T-BONED EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE.

THEY PARKED RIGHT IN THE INTERSECTION. THANK YOU. OKAY, I JUST IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER REGARDING THIS? SO ON THIS ISSUE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY MR. COOK.

I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR YEARS, BUT I NEVER SAID I WOULD RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.

I SAID I'D HAVE STAFF WORK THAT ISSUE. AND I'VE SAT IN THOSE MEETINGS.

I'VE DEVOTED A LOT OF TIME. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT I KNOW THE CITY DID TAKE.

IS NOT RESOLVED. AND I KNOW THAT MR. MORTON IS LOOKING TO, TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHAT THE RESPONSE IS, I DO AGREE THAT THE PCA SHOULD TAKE SOME TYPE OF RESPONSIBILITY.

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THAT'S A THAT'S MISINFORMATION, SIR. AND I NEVER SAID THAT.

I SAID I WOULD WORK HARD TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES.

AND THAT'S ALL I GUARANTEED. AND ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT I WOULD NOT SAY I WOULD NOT GUARANTEE A RESOLUTION WHEN IT WAS THAT DEVASTATING OF A OF AN ISSUE. BUT I DID PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT ALONG WITH STAFF.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THERE ARE LEADERS THAT WERE NOT HERE THAT ARE NOT HERE NOW THAT THEY THEY PROMISED MADE ME SOME PROMISES. AND ONE OF THOSE PROMISES WAS THE 100 FOOT EXTENSION.

AND THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

YES, YES. MAYOR. AND I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IN REGARDS TO MAKING SURE PEOPLE DIDN'T CUT ON NEPTUNE.

I ALSO WANT TO SPEAK ON IF CITY MANAGER MORTON WANTS TO SPEAK UP ON IT.

I DO KNOW, AND WE AS COUNCIL KNOW, THAT HE HAS MET WITH PINEAPPLE COVE AND MR. MORAN AND THEIR STAFF. BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK AND CONFIRM.

I'VE SEEN MYSELF. THE STACKING ON NESBITT AND THEY HAVE THE WHOLE CHURCH WHERE THEY CAN PARK AND YOU MIGHT SEE ONE, MAYBE TWO CARS THERE, MAX. AS OPPOSED TO A FIELD.

YEAH, THEY GOT THE FIELD. THEY HAVE THE FIELD AS WELL. SO I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.

I'VE SEEN CARS TRY TO BACK OUT. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SPEEDING ON THE ROAD AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING THEIR DOGS.

SO EVERYTHING THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING IS IS VALID.

BUT I ALSO HAVE TO ATTEST TO OUR STAFF IS WORKING.

OUR PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING. AND MR. MORTON HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH MR. MORAN AND THEIR STAFF TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING, BUT I, I'M, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S BROUGHT TO THE LIGHT IN REGARDS TO. WE ARE WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING IDLE ON THIS.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. NOT AS MUCH AS YOU BECAUSE YOU LIVE IT ON A DAILY.

I JUST SAW IT A FEW TIMES, BUT THAT'S ALL, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. AND PERHAPS, MR. MORTON IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THE FIELD OPPORTUNITY OR WHAT? OTHER TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP. BUT I KNOW THAT I THINK IT WAS OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS DID SOME SIGNAGE AND, AND SOME, SOME THINGS IN THAT AREA AS WELL. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO IT, BUT PERHAPS THERE IS A, A DIFFERENT ROUTE THAT THEY CAN TAKE. BUT THE KEY FROM WHAT I HEARD, MR. COOK IS, IS THE ENFORCEMENT. IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS CAN DO THIS AS OPPOSED TO REQUIRING THE PARENTS TO DO SOMETHING.

SO PERHAPS THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE THERE.

THAT BEING SAID, MR. MORTON, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON REGARDING? NO, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE. I WAS CLEAR IN AN EMAIL I SENT TO EVERYONE ON APRIL 14TH, AND I WAS VERY HONEST AND SAID, AT THIS TIME, I WANT TO BE CANDID.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION THAT RESOLVES THE ISSUE.

THESE SITUATIONS ARE DIFFICULT BECAUSE SCHOOL ACCESS, ROADWAY DESIGN, PARENT BEHAVIOR, NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC ALL INTERSECT IN WAYS THAT ARE NOT EASILY CORRECTED WITHOUT BROADER CHANGES IN INFRASTRUCTURE OPERATIONS OR SCHOOL CIRCULATION.

I SAID, DON'T TAKE THAT AS I'M IGNORING YOU. IT'S IT'S A SINCERE ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH BOTH A TECHNICAL AND ADAPTIVE PROBLEM.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW IS A CONFLICT OF RIGHTS AND EXPECTATIONS, RIGHT? RESIDENTS ABSOLUTELY HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. PARENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AT SCHOOL.

THE SCHOOL HAS RIGHTS TO HAVE A SCHOOL. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE THOSE.

SO WE DID INSTALL THE SIGNS. WE HAVE BEEN DOING PATROL EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT.

IN FACT, I WAS OUT THERE TODAY MYSELF AGAIN, TO LOOK AT THE LOOP. WE HAD THREE UNITS OUT THERE.

AND THE POLICE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS ABOUT A 45 MINUTE STACKING ISSUE IN THE MORNING AND A LITTLE LONGER IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEY SAID DOESN'T USUALLY EXCEED AN HOUR, BUT THAT'S A LONG TIME IF YOU LIVE THERE. WE'VE HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH PINEAPPLE COVE. I'VE MET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE'VE INQUIRED FOR ASSISTANCE FROM BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS, THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, AND THE SEC TPO.

SIMPLY PUT, WE CAN'T JUST PULL AT THIS POINT THE TRAFFIC FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT IT. EMERSON MIGHT BE A GREAT ALTERNATIVE AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THOSE DESIGN PLANS AND FOUR LANING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IS NOT DONE.

IT'S NOT BUDGETED. IT'S NOT SCHEDULED. AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK.

BUT I HAVE TO BE HONEST AND SAY I DON'T HAVE AN OFF THE BOX, READY MADE SOLUTION.

AND A LOT OF INFILL ENFIELD SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEAL WITH THIS EXACT ISSUE ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND SO WE'RE LEFT TRYING TO MITIGATE IMPACTS UNTIL WE HAVE A COMPLETE SOLUTION.

AND WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF THINGS, INCLUDING INCREASING THE PARTNERSHIP WITH WITH OTHER LOCAL PLACES WHERE THEY COULD STACK INSTEAD OF THE STREET, THE SCHOOLS, MANAGING AND EDUCATING PARENTS. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT, THEY HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CHURCH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT HIGH SCHOOL SITE POTENTIALLY JUST EARLY STAGES.

COULD THAT SUPPORT A CAR LOOP TO GET THE ROADS OFF THE OR GET THE CARS OFF THE LOCAL ROADS?

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NEXT SPEAKER, DOUG HOOK.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR CITY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL DOUG HOOK, 1091 MARIPOSA DRIVE, NORTHEAST.

PERCEPTION IS REALITY IS KIND OF AN IDIOM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT A LITTLE BIT.

WHILE MANY OF YOU DON'T VENTURE INTO SOCIAL MEDIA AND GENERALLY I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PROBABLY DON'T ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED WHILE PARTICIPATING ON IT MYSELF IS THAT WE PALM BAY DOES HAVE A CERTAIN PERCEPTION TO IT.

THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT ARE FACING OUR CITY THAT ARE GOING TO INVOLVE LARGE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS THINGS LIKE DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS THINGS LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY PRIVACY, PUBLIC SERVICES.

I COULD GO ON AND ON. JUST AS WE KIND OF HAD TONIGHT THOUGH PEOPLE BROUGHT UP WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM.

AND THEY COME UP HERE AND THEY TALK ON THE PODIUM WHEN I GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I SEE THINGS, EVEN IF I'M NOT PARTICIPATING ON THEM ON FACEBOOK, I TONIGHT I ACTUALLY POSTED TONIGHT'S MEETING, I POSTED THE AGENDA. I SAID, WHAT TIME IT IS? I SAID, HEY, COME SPEAK YOUR VOICE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO. IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, EVERY SINGLE COMMENT I GOT WAS, WHY? WHAT'S THE POINT? NOBODY LISTENS. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME.

THAT'S THE PERCEPTION THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED RECENTLY.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE QUITE A FEW THINGS.

TONIGHT'S WAS ACTUALLY A PRIME EXAMPLE. WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ON THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTER IN MAY.

WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ON FLOCK. SO WE ARE GETTING BETTER ON OPENING THESE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT SOME OF THESE TOPICS ARE A LITTLE TOO BIG FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT BEEN BROUGHT UP IN PRIOR BOARD DISCUSSIONS AND PRIOR COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A LARGER FORUM FOR SOME OF THESE LARGER DISCUSSIONS.

I THINK THAT IS NECESSARY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS KIND OF MORE OF A BURDEN ON THE CITY.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP US CHANGE THAT PERCEPTION.

MAYOR, IF I CAN BORROW ONE OF YOUR PHRASES FOR A MOMENT, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT PALM BAY IS THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

WE DO THAT SO WE CAN SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE.

WE DO THAT SO PEOPLE TAKE THAT TO HEART AND TRY TO BRING THE BEST PALM BAY ON A DAILY BASIS.

WHEN THESE PEOPLE COME UP TO THE PODIUMS AND THEY SPEAK THEIR MINDS, THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. THEY'RE TRYING TO SPEAK CHANGE INTO EXISTENCE.

THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE PALM BAY BETTER. THEY ARE NOT HERE TO BURDEN THE CITY OR CAUSE PROBLEMS. THEY JUST WANT TO BE HEARD. SO I JUST WANT TO AGAIN REITERATE PERCEPTION IS REALITY.

IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT THAT MAKES PALM BAY IMPORTANT AND MAKES PALM BAY DIFFERENT AND MAKES THIS PLACE GREAT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HOSTING THOSE EVENTS.

WE ARE LETTING PEOPLE HAVE THEIR VOICES, AND WE ARE CHANGING THAT PERCEPTION FROM BEING ONE OF WHY IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TO ONE OF, YES, I WANT TO BE INVOLVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. EFREN MOLINA.

COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. LET US JUST START WITH AUGUST 7TH 26.

OUR CITY MANAGER HAS PROVIDED WITH SOCIAL MEDIA NEWS OUTLETS AND THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY ABOUT.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO TRUST, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THEY HAVE CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED THAT.

AND THEN HE GOES ON TO MENTION CONCERNS TO ASSIST NETFLIX, PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC CONFIDENCE.

WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO STOP IT, EXAMINE THE FACTS AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE PROPERLY.

WHERE WAS THE SAME INTEGRITY ACCOUNTABILITY FOR TO MAYOR HATCHER VERSUS OFFICER COLLINS? WHERE WAS THE SAME TRANSPARENCY FOR MYSELF WHEN I WAS CALLED THE POLICE IN PUBLIC? LET US NOT FORGET THE TRAGEDY THAT IS THOMAS FARLEY BY THE DEATH CAUSED BY OFFICER MITCHELL.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 72 CITIZENS IN PALM BAY WHO HAVE SET OFFICIAL COMPLAINTS TO THE CITY AGAINST OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, 22 CIVIL RIGHTS SUITS THAT ARE FORWARDING AGAINST THE CITY, AND CURRENTLY NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY.

ZERO TO LEOS WHO HAVE AFFECTED THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.

RECENTLY, GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS HAS PASSED THE JASON RAYNER ACT, WHICH MANDATORY GRANTS A LIFE SENTENCE WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE FOR DEFENDANTS

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BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIR FOR BOTH CITIZENS AND OUR ALLELES. LASTLY, I THINK IT WOULD DO THE CITY GREAT TO HAVE A SAMARITAN REVOLT ACT, WHERE IF A CITIZEN WITNESSES AN OFFICER INFRINGING, BREAKING OR ABUSING THE INHERENT RIGHTS OF A CITIZEN BY ACTING AGAINST THEIR DUTY AND SWORN OATH, ENDANGERING THEIR LIFE, THAT A CITIZEN SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE AND DOABLE TO APPREHEND, DETAIN AND HOLD THE LEO IN CUSTODY UNTIL PROPER AUTHORITIES ARRIVE TO MITIGATE THE SITUATION.

MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT RECENTLY WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH OUR OFFICERS WITH ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.

THEN I COME TO THIS MEETING AND THEN WE HAVE THIS ATTEMPTED MERGER WITH SHERIFF IVEY AS A VICTIM OF PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHERIFF IVEY'S ACTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO SAY NO TO THIS MERGER, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY RESPONSIBILITY BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS, AND WE'LL JUST HAVE MORE ISSUES. THANK YOU. Y'ALL HAVE A NICE DAY.

NEXT. SHEENA WALLACE.

OKAY, WHICH WAY IS UP? I'M A LITTLE TALLER THAN EPHRAIM. OKAY.

GENTLEMEN, I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY THANKING YOU FOR SUSPENDING FLOCK CAMERAS TO REVIEW THE INSTALLATIONS.

I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVE TO YOU HAVING FLORIDA DOT INSPECT EACH CAMERA AND PERMIT IN THE EVENT YOU CONSIDER TURNING THEM BACK ON.

ANTI FLOCK IS NOT ANTI COP. RATHER, I VIEW THE LACK OF HIRING EMPTY PATROL OFFICER POSITIONS AND REDUCING THE POLICE BUDGET BY $2 MILLION AS BEING AN INITIAL STEP TO DEFUND THE POLICE AND THUS ANTI COP.

I HAVE HEARD FLOCK IN THE CITY QUOTING SUPREME COURT CASES AND FLOCK TALKING POINTS.

MAINLY FLOCK TALKING POINTS IN A MANNER THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT ANY KNOWLEDGEABLE, REASONABLE PERSON WOULD KNOW IS DECEPTIVE.

FOR INSTANCE, DISCUSSING THAT WE HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN PUBLIC WHILE ADMITTING THE DRAGNET SURVEILLANCE WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THAT SUPREME COURT CASE. ADDITIONALLY, IGNORING THE CHARTER CASE THAT THEY PRIMARILY PRIMARILY BASED THEIR DECISION, THAT IS A FOURTH AMENDMENT VIOLATION ON HOW MUCH INFORMATION WAS PULLED FROM A DATABASE AND LOOKED AT THE LOCATION OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AS THE PROBLEM. IT WAS NOT JUST GEOFENCING, IT WAS ABOUT THE DATABASE AND THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT WAS PULLED ON INNOCENT PEOPLE. THE OVERALL LACK OF DISCLOSURE ON HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, AND STATING THAT IT'S JUST A LICENSE PLATE READER IS A MANIPULATION OF THE PUBLIC AND A FRAUD ON BEHALF OF A OF A THIRD PARTY GLOBAL ENTITY.

THIS ENTIRE PROCESS HAS BEEN A PROFOUND VIOLATION OF THE PUBLIC TRUST.

HIDING THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING. USV THROCKMORTON GOES ON TO SAY FRAUD VITIATES EVERYTHING.

THE COURT HAS SAID THAT FRAUD DESTROYS EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES, INCLUDING CONTRACTS DUE TO THE FRAUD PERPETRATED AND PROFOUND VIOLATION OF THE PUBLIC TRUST. I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU VOTE TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, THOMAS GOMM.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. AND I'LL START OFF MY COMMENTS BY CONGRATULATING THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ON WINNING REELECTION IN AUGUST.

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YOU'RE GOING TO BE SITTING RIGHT THERE. BUT THE REAL REASON I CAME HERE TONIGHT IS, FOR THE RECORD.

I HAVE 100% TRUST IN THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE CASE ATTRIBUTED TO THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED BY OUR EXCELLENT POLICE FORCE AND DETECTIVES.

LAST WEEK'S SCHOOL THREAT ARREST IS LIVING PROOF.

OUR DETECTIVES AND OFFICERS PROTECTED THIS CITY WITH REAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK.

THE DEPARTMENT'S STRENGTH COMES FROM ITS PEOPLE, NOT AN AI DRIVEN CAMERA NETWORK.

FOR AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TO COME INTO OUR CITY, CUT CORNERS ON SAFETY AND PUT OUR FAMILIES AT RISK IS SIMPLY INDEFENSIBLE.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR PROVIDING OUR CITY WITH A PROFESSIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS KEPT US SAFE IN THE PAST, IS KEEPING US SAFE TODAY AND WILL KEEP US SAFE IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, DANIEL ORTEGA. HOW ARE YOU DOING? OKAY. GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS DANIEL.

WE'RE JUST. WE'RE JUST LIKE YOU AND ME. WE'RE JUST FRIENDS.

I LIVED IN PALM BAY SINCE MAY 20TH, 2020. CAME UP, COME DOWN HERE FROM THE NORTH, BUT VISITED MANY TIMES.

I DECIDED TO COME TO PALM BAY BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I FELT IT WAS A REALLY GREAT PLACE.

STILL IS, OF COURSE, BUT. I LIKE TO SAVE MONEY.

EVERYBODY LIKES TO SAVE MONEY. EVERYBODY CLIPS COUPONS FROM CVS.

AND IF NOT YOU. YOUR WIFE DOES. OKAY, SO MAYOR, MEDINA AND ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I KNOW YOU. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAVE THE VOTERS MONEY.

AND MY ISSUE IS WITH REPUBLIC WASTE SERVICES.

I UNDERSTAND WE'RE CONTRACTED WITH THEM FOR TWO TRASH PICKUPS, ONE RECYCLED PICKUP A WEEK, AND THEN A LARGE ITEM PICKUP. I FEEL THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A TAX THAT WE HAVE TO PAY THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, ONE PERSON IN MY HOUSEHOLD, HALF OF A GARBAGE CAN EVERY TWO WEEKS.

I LIKE TO RECYCLE AND KEEP THE STREETS CLEAN, SO I MAKE SURE MY RECYCLE GETS OUT THERE.

I NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH LARGE ITEM PICKUPS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LARGE ITEM PICKUP WAS BUILT IN BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID, OH, WE'RE REMODELING OUR HOUSE, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO PICK IT UP. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S 200,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN PALM BAY.

HOW MANY PEOPLE A YEAR REALLY USE THAT LARGE ITEM PICK UP QUITE A BIT.

AND HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY NEED TWO TRASH PICKUPS A WEEK? A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ARE RETIRED AND THEY HAVE A FIXED INCOME.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A TAX THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT ABUSE US.

THE LARGE ITEM PICKUP OR PILE UP THEIR TRASH SO HIGH THAT THEY CAN'T MANAGE IT.

IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. AND ON TOP OF THAT, OKAY, JUST A MONTH AGO, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I FOUND OUT IN MY BILL THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY $2 A MONTH TO PAY FOR MY TRASH WITH AN ELECTRONIC CHECK, WHEREAS BEFORE IT WAS, IT WAS TOTALLY FREE.

SO I DECIDED, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO PAY $24 A YEAR TO COME TO SEND MY CHECK PAYMENT ELECTRONICALLY.

SO I COME IN TO CITY HALL THERE AND THERE'S A MILLION PEOPLE IN THERE.

ALL, ALL WALKING AROUND. THERE'S NO LINE ORGANIZED TO GO FORWARD.

SIMPLE LIKE A BANK. PUT SOME ROPES THERE FOR PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER $2 ON TOP OF THE THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU SPEAK WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S STANDING UP RIGHT THERE.

AND MAYBE WE COULD RESOLVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE HAVING.

THANK YOU. BONNIE MURPHY.

GOOD JOB, MISS MURPHY. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. YES. GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN. CAN YOU HOLD THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU, MA'AM?

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I LIVE AT 1025 DUGAN CIRCLE, SOUTHEAST. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT IN REGARD TO THE CLOSING OF THE AQUATIC CENTER, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS DUE TO GETTING REPAIRS.

I MOVED TO PALM BAY TWO YEARS AGO. I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE SWIM AEROBICS CLASSES AT THIS POOL NOW FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.

I GO ABOUT FOUR TIMES A WEEK. THIS POOL IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME DUE TO MY HEALTH, AND I KNOW OTHER MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO THESE CLASSES FOR HEALTH REASONS AS WELL. I HAVE SPINAL STENOSIS OF THE LOWER LUMBAR, WHICH IS COMMON FOR OLDER PEOPLE, BUT THE EXERCISES THAT I GET HAS STRENGTHENED MY BACK LEGS, ETC.

SO I'M ABLE TO WALK MY DOG, DO MY OWN CHORES AT HOME WITHOUT HIRING SOMEONE, NOT USING A CANE AS MUCH.

SO IT'S THESE EXERCISES ARE WONDERFUL. WHAT I ALSO LIKE ABOUT THE WATER AEROBICS IS STRUCTURED EXERCISES WITH AN INSTRUCTOR WHO IS AWESOME. SHE BRINGS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE. IF I WAS TO DO IT AT A AT MY OWN POOL, I WOULD NOT DEFINITELY GET THE SAME BENEFIT.

HOWEVER, FOR THOSE NOT GOING TO THE CLASSES, JUST BEING ABLE TO COME AND DO LAP SWIMMING IS ALSO THERE FOR US TO DO AS WELL.

I'M HOPING THAT IF YOU DO HAVE TO CLOSE THE CENTER FOR REPAIRS, MAYBE CONSIDER CLOSING ONLY FOR A FEW MONTHS INSTEAD OF A WHOLE YEAR AND MAYBE CLOSE IT DURING THE HOLIDAY HOURS. JUST A SUGGESTION OF SOMETHING TO DO INSTEAD OF DOING IT FOR A WHOLE YEAR, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A BIG IMPACT, I FEEL. POSSIBLY LIKE DURING THE WINTER MONTHS BECAUSE IT'S HOLIDAY SEASON, IT A LOT OF TIMES. I MEAN, THE POOL DOES CLOSE DURING THAT TIME AS WELL FOR VACATION AND HOLIDAYS.

SO SO THESE ARE THE REASONS FOR THAT. FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE POOL OPEN.

THESE ARE MY PERSONAL REASONS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER MORE IMPORTANT REASONS, LIKE KEEPING PEOPLE EMPLOYED, GIVING HUNDREDS OF KIDS SWIMMING LESSONS AND A PLACE TO SWIM.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT THE CLOSURE OF THIS POPE, THIS CLOSURE OF THIS PRICELESS RESOURCE THAT MANY OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS RELY ON, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FAMILY.

THANK YOU. TINA.

OKAY, NOW I GOTTA RAISE IT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AND RAISE IT, MA'AM. THERE'S A BUTTON.

YEAH. THERE YOU GO. IT'S SLOW. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT, WE GOT IT.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS TINA DOHRMANN.

I LIVE AT 440 PEPPER STREET, NORTHEAST. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE POOL.

THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HEARING RUMORS OF THE PALM BAY AQUATIC CENTER CLOSING FOR A YEAR.

ALL OF US ARE HERE TONIGHT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE POOL, TO THE COMMUNITY. THE AQUATIC CENTER SERVES MANY DIFFERENT NEEDS IN ONE SAFE, ACCESSIBLE PLACE. FAMILIES USE IT FOR OUTINGS.

SWIM TEAMS SWIM TEAMS USE IT FOR PRACTICES AND MEETINGS.

SPECIAL OLYMPICS PARTNERS. PARTNERSHIPS USE IT FOR TRAINING.

RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES. USE IT FOR WATER CLASSES AND MS USE IT FOR PERSONAL USE IN TRAINING.

IT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR SUPPORTING HEALTH, FITNESS, RECREATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE FULL COMMUNITY VALUE OF THE PALM BAY AQUATIC CENTER BEFORE MAKING ANY DECISION ABOUT ITS FUTURE.

KEEPING THE POOL OPEN WOULD PRESERVE AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR RECREATION, WELLNESS, SAFETY TRAINING AND COMMUNITY CONNECTION.

IT SERVES FAMILIES, ATHLETES, SENIORS, PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL AND RESIDENTS ACROSS PALM BAY AND NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.

THE WATER AEROBICS CLASS IS HELD ON MONDAY MORNINGS AT 1030, TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS AT SIX, AND EVERY SATURDAY AT 1030. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND JOIN US AT ANY TIME FOR A CLASS.

WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE. THANK YOU. LORI SINGER.

I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT HERE AND SEE IF IT WORKS. I'M LORI SINGER, I LIVE AT 1173 BLESSED ISLES DRIVE NORTHWEST.

IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE OTHER LADIES HAVE SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MAYBE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT MAYBE CAN BE DONE.

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IN ADDITION TO ALL THE, THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE POOL, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE BEHIND THE NUMBERS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMBERS. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COUNT ON IT AS A COMMUNITY RESOURCE.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST MAYBE EVEN INCREASING THE THE ENTRANCE FEE OR SOMETHING.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT, IT MIGHT HELP.

IT MIGHT HELP THE BOTTOM LINE A LITTLE BIT. SPECIAL OLYMPICS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES THEIR SOME OF THEIR TRAINING, THEIR. I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY'S MENTAL AND PHYSICAL WELL-BEING.

I THINK IF IT WERE TO CLOSE, IT MIGHT DELAY THAT PROGRESS.

THE POOL IS IS AN ESSENTIAL ASSET FOR US, FOR ALL OF US.

AND LIKE TINA SAID, IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO COME SEE WHAT WE DO, SEE, SEE THE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ENJOY THE CLASSES THAT ARE GIVEN THERE BY SHERRY, OUR LEADER, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A WELCOME THING.

YOU'D BE HAPPY TO SEE IT AND YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY AND WHAT ALL OF US ARE TRYING TO SAY. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN THINK OF THAT WE CAN MAYBE HELP WITH, MAYBE GET MORE SPONSORS, HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING THAT CAN MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMPANIES IN THE AREA THAT WILL DONATE SOME, SOME TIME. I KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE REFURBISHED ACCORDING TO WHAT I'VE HEARD, BUT MAYBE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OR COMPANIES WHO CAN HELP US WITH THAT, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO JUST CLOSE IT FOR A YEAR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

SHERRY WESTON. SHERRY WESTON. HI THERE.

SHERRY WESTON, I'M AT 1061. I THINK I'M A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THAT.

1061 EMERALD ROAD. SOUTHEAST. MY FIRST TIME EVER SPEAKING IN FRONT OF A COUNCIL.

KIND OF. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US ALL HERE. WHEN WE FIRST HEARD THAT THE POOL MIGHT BE CLOSING FOR A YEAR, AND OF COURSE, THEY SAID TEMPORARILY, WE WERE SHOCKED.

SHOCKED. I MEAN, THE, THE HEARTS YOU JUST FELT EVERYBODY IN OUR CLASS, OUR HEARTS JUST DROPPED.

NOT ONLY I'M GOING TO THROW OUT SOME OF THESE WORDS, RIGHT? THIS. WE'RE A COMMUNITY. NONE OF US WOULD KNOW EACH OTHER IF WE.

IF IT WASN'T FOR OUR AQUAFIT CLASSES. IT'S FAMILY.

IT'S ABOUT IMPROVED HEALTH. THIS IS ALL SOME OF OUR, SOME OF OUR SENIORS HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, THIS IS PART OF IT TO HELP THEM LIVE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, TO HELP THEM WALK UPRIGHT, TO KEEP THEM MOVING. RIGHT. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MOVE IT, WE LOSE IT.

AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. IT'S TOTALLY MY HAPPY PLACE.

IT'S ALSO MY LIVELIHOOD, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T HAVE THIS.

MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY. IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR NEXT WEEK.

THIS IS THIS IS WHAT I GOT, RIGHT? THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC POOL AROUND HERE.

I MEAN, MELBOURNE, OR YOU CAN GO TO A YMCA OVER IN COCOA, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT. WE WANT TO STAY. WE WANT TO STAY HERE.

WE WANT TO STAY LOCAL. WE WANT TO STAY NEAR OUR HOMES.

WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER. RIGHT. AND WHAT ABOUT THE COLLEGE KIDS THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR? YOU KNOW, IT FITS INTO THEIR IT FITS INTO THEIR SCHOOL SCHEDULE.

SPECIAL OLYMPICS. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? THE HUNDREDS OF KIDS THAT CAME FOR FOR SWIM LESSONS.

AND I DON'T HAVE THOSE. I FORGOT TO PULL UP THOSE THOSE DROWNING STATISTICS.

ONE OF THE OTHER GIRLS HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DROWNINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED NOT JUST IN THE OCEAN, BUT IN LIKE THEIR OWN BACKYARD AND OUR CITY. YOU GUYS KNOW IT IS GROWING AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF OTHER FAMILIES AND A LOT MORE SENIORS, AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND I KNOW THAT IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY, RIGHT? IT SEEMS LIKE MONEY RULES EVERYTHING. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU DO DO THIS MERGER WITH THE WITH THE CENTER, WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SAVING A BUNCH OF MONEY THERE TO STICK TO US, RIGHT? BUT ALSO LIKE, YEAH, WHAT CAN WE DO? LIKE, HAS ANYBODY TALKED TO THE OWNER OF, OF THE THE CHARTER SCHOOL, THAT PINEAPPLE COVE, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BUILDING A POOL.

WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SPONSORS, DONATIONS, GOFUNDME.

IF WE KNEW, IF WE KNEW A WHILE BACK THAT THIS WAS EVEN A POSSIBILITY, THESE QUESTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED A LONG TIME AGO.

VOLUNTEERS MAYBE CLOSING THE POOL FROM 12 TO 5 EVERY DAY.

OUR POOL IS PACKED. I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS WERE THERE, AND I'VE SEEN SOME COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK THAT, OH, IT'S A NOBODY GOES THERE ANYWAY. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A LONG TIME.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A LONG TIME. I'M FIGHTING FOR LANES WITH THE LESSONS AND THE LAP SWIMMERS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP KEEP OUR POOL OPEN?

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NEXT SPEAKER. ALMA WEAVER.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ALMA WEAVER.

I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO TWO PROPERTIES THAT I BELIEVE ARE BLIGHTED PROPERTIES.

THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE IN PALM BAY COLONY, WHICH IS A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 500 HOMES.

SO MOST EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY KEEPS THEIR PROPERTY LOOKING NICE.

THE FIRST PROPERTY IS AT 2380 OR SOUTH BOULEVARD NORTHEAST 2380.

WHAT, MA'AM? 2380 OR BOULEVARD URSA NORTH, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

IT WAS BADLY DAMAGED DURING OUR LAST HURRICANE, WHICH WAS, I BELIEVE WAS FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD DAMAGE.

IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED SINCE THAT TIME, FOR YEARS.

I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES IF I CAN LEAVE THEM WITH YOU.

I'M GOING TO ONCE YOU'RE DONE, MA'AM, I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOU TO STAFF.

OKAY. RECENTLY, SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD RATS IN THEIR HOME.

THIS IS A VERY BAD HEALTH ISSUE. THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE TO THE HOME HAS LEFT A LARGE OPENING ALONG THE ROOF LINE OF THE HOME.

SO IT'S BEEN OPEN TO THE AIR FOR FOUR YEARS. THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE FILLED WITH MOLD.

IT'S UNINHABITABLE. SHOULD BE CONDEMNED. SURELY IT'S HAD WATER INCURSION DURING ALL THESE FOUR YEARS THAT'S BEEN LEFT OPEN, IT'S OVERGROWN WITH VEGETATION.

I'VE SPOKEN TO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, SURGEONS, I'VE STURGESS.

I BELIEVE IT IS. SHE HAS SAID THAT IT IS ON THE DOCKET TO BE MOWED, WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE HEALTH ISSUES AND THE SAFETY ISSUES.

IF WE HAVE A IF WE HAVE ANOTHER HURRICANE THAT'S GOING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING.

THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT. 2386 ROYAL PALM DRIVE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS I JUST WAS MADE AWARE OF THIS THIS AFTERNOON.

AND THAT'S NORTHEAST AS WELL. 2386 ROYAL PALM, NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST PALM BAY, SAME SAME PALM BAY COMMUNITIES IN THE SAME COMMUNITY. IT'S ALSO OVERGROWN WITH. WITH VEGETATION, WITH OVERGROWN WITH GRASS.

THERE'S A BIG TREE THAT WAS JUST KILLED DURING OUR LAST FROST AND IT'S LEFT.

IT'S IT'S A HAZARD TO THE NEIGHBOR PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. AND IT'S IN ALMOST WORSE CONDITION THAN THE FIRST PROPERTY.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOU TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

SEE THAT LOVELY YOUNG LADY RIGHT THERE? YES, MA'AM.

SHE'LL TAKE THAT DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BILL BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS. THE FIRST ONE IS A COUPLE OF QUOTES.

THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR TEMPORARY SAFETY.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN QUOTE NUMBER TWO TRUTH WILL ULTIMATELY PREVAIL WHERE PAIN IS TAKEN TO BRING IT TO LIGHT.

GEORGE WASHINGTON SO, MR. PRESIDENT, DONALD TRUMP, THANK YOU FOR THE PAINS YOU AND YOURS HAVE TAKEN TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT. ITEM NUMBER TWO. YESTERDAY, AROUND 245, THERE WAS A LIGHTNING STRIKE IN PALM BAY, FLORIDA, AND IT HIT MY NEIGHBOR'S PASTURE AND STARTED THE WOODS ON FIRE.

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SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR COMING AND SOLVING A PROBLEM.

BUT TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF NICK LAMB.

AND WHEN I WAS THANKING HIM, HE SAID, DON'T THANK ME, BILL.

IT WAS MY TROOPS. SO HIS TROOPS HAPPENED TO BE ENGINE NUMBER TWO, THREE AND FIVE.

BUT THE REAL HEROES OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WERE THE TWO BRUSH TRUCKS.

THEY COULDN'T ACCESS THIS PROPERTY. SO WE WENT THROUGH AND WE CUT UP THE PATENT BILL RANCH, AND WE GOT THEM OUT THERE AND WE SOLVED THE PROBLEM.

BUT I HAD MY OWN FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT RUN 15 MINUTES BEFORE THEY GOT THERE.

RIGHT. THE OTHER PERSON I'D REALLY LIKE TO THANK ALSO WAS WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO SHOWED UP FOR A FIRE CALL.

AND THE POLICE OFFICER, I THINK WAS A POLICE OFFICER, CHRISTOPHER MORSE, WENT TO THE HOUSE AND CHECKED ON MY WIFE.

AND THAT MADE SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE TO HER. IT WAS REALLY GREAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WAS OFFICER MORSE.

SO HERE'S THE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS THAT RESPONDED TO OFFICER SMALL'S SHUCK.

LYNN, HODGE AND EVERHART. THEY ALSO RESPONDED.

IT FREAKED ME OUT. I HAD FIVE COP CARS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE FOR A PASTOR THAT WAS ON FIRE.

BUT EITHER WAY, WHILE I WAS GLAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS THERE, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK JOANIE FROM THE RECORDS FROM POLICE DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE SHE GOT ME A REPORT TO HELP ME GET EVERYBODY'S NAMES.

AND SO THANK YOU ALL. AND SHOUT OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE MY WIFE FELT GOOD THAT SHE FELT SHE FELT SHE FELT SPECIAL.

AND MY HORSE WAS HAPPY BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH DOWN THE STREET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRIS. CHRISTINE JONES.

GOOD EVENING. CHRISTINE JONES, FORMERLY CHRISTINE LANSANA, RESIDENT OF NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS SINCE I'VE STOOD BEFORE YOU, AND TONIGHT I'M BACK WITH MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR FLOCK CONTRACT.

WHEN I FIRST CAME TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY 2025, I CAME WITH QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT PALM BAY HAD PURCHASED, HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS BEING USED, AND WHY IT WAS SO DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN A STRAIGHT ANSWER.

AFTER 16 MONTHS, WE WERE PRESENTED WITH ONE SIDED PRESENTATIONS AND ENSURED THERE WAS A QUALITY AUDIT POLICY IN PLACE, WHICH TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN CREATED JUST BEFORE THE MAY 21ST MEETING OCCURRED. I MUST SAY I LEFT WITH EVEN MORE QUESTIONS.

I CONTINUED TO FOLLOW THIS ISSUE, EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN BUSY AT THE PALM BAY AQUATIC CENTER COACHING OUR SWIM TEAM AND CLINICS WHILE OF COURSE, BEING A MOMMA TO MY THREE BOYS. UNFORTUNATELY, MY THREE MINUTES WON'T ALLOW ME TO GET INTO THE TOPIC OF THE POOL TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, I'VE YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ME.

I'VE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE ONCE AGAIN, BUT I DIGRESS.

THANKFULLY, MY CALLS FOR ACTION AROUND THE EXPANSION OF THIS MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY HAVE NOT.

THAT WE'VE BEEN BURDENED WITH DID NOT FALL ON DEAF EARS AND MORE CITIZENS HAVE BEGUN SPEAKING OUT ABOUT.

AGAINST THIS EGREGIOUS MISUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDS.

I'D LIKE TO USE A MOMENT OF MY TIME TONIGHT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS.

WE ALL RECALL THE FAMOUS LINE NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

WELL, TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE A NEW BATTLE CRY.

NO MASS SURVEILLANCE WITHOUT CONSENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CAMERAS WITHIN OUR CITY ARE CURRENTLY COVERED WHILE STAFF IS LOOKING INTO THE PERMITTING ISSUES, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THOSE QUESTIONS ARE FINALLY BEING ADDRESSED.

BUT I DO WANT TO ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION AMONG RESIDENTS AS TO WHAT EXACTLY IS HAPPENING, BECAUSE MOST OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND FLOC HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE FALCON AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION.

WE REPEATEDLY HEAR THAT LPR SYSTEMS DON'T TRACK PEOPLE.

THEY TRACK VEHICLES. BUT PALM BAY FLOC DEPLOYMENT IS NOT LIMITED TO THE FLOC, THE FALCON LPR CAMERAS.

DURING THE MAY PRESENTATION, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FLOC BOTH DISCUSSED CONDOR CAMERAS, ACCORDING TO FOX OWNED MATERIALS. CONDOR IS A LIVE RECORDED VIDEO SYSTEM WITH THE ABILITY TO DETECT VEHICLES AND PEOPLE.

THESE ARE THE CAMERAS THAT HAVE PAN TILT ZOOM CAPABILITIES THAT ARE PLACED IN OUR PARKS AND ON OUR MAJOR ROADWAYS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE CONDOR CAMERAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT SUSPENSION? BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT FLOCK DOES OR DOES NOT TRACK, I THINK RESIDENTS DESERVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPABILITIES OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

WE'RE USING NOT JUST ONE COMPONENT OF IT. I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PERMITTING ISSUE ITSELF.

WHAT EXACTLY WAS WRONG WITH THE PERMITTING AND INSTALLATION INSTALLATION PROCESS? WAS IT A MATTER OF CORRECTING PERMITS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OBTAINED, OR WERE THE CAMERAS INSTALLED WITHOUT THE PROPER PROPER AUTHORIZATION IN THE FIRST PLACE? AND FINALLY, IF THE CITY'S INTENTION IS TO CORRECT THOSE ISSUES AND BRING THEM BACK ONLINE, WHAT OPPORTUNITY WILL CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT DECISION BEFORE THE SYSTEM IS REACTIVATED? AS THESE DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS AREN'T DESIGNED FOR THE GOVERNMENTS WE CURRENTLY TRUST.

[02:55:06]

THANK YOU. SANDRA MORGAN.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM SUBMITTING THIS COMMENT TO URGENTLY REQUEST INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING FOR OUR UNPAVED ROADS AND IMMEDIATE INSTALLATION OF FIRE HYDRANTS.

THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IN JANUARY, I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE A STUDY OF THE ROADS.

WHICH ROADS DID FOLLOWING THE RECENT DEVASTATING WILDFIRES, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REMAINS SEVERELY VULNERABLE.

UNPAVED, DAMAGED ROADS SIGNIFICANTLY DELAY EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS WHILE THE COMPLETE LACK OF LOCAL FIRE HYDRANTS MAKES IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS TO QUICKLY SUPPRESS ACTIVE FIRES.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER DISASTER TO HAPPEN.

PLEASE PRIORITIZE OUR SAFETY BY SAVING THESE CRITICAL ACCESS ROUTES AND EXTENDING THE MUNICIPAL WATER LINE TO INCLUDE FIRE HYDRANTS BEFORE THE NEXT FIRE SEASON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS LIFE SAVING MATTER.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT COMES FIRST. YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THE PHRASE THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THE FIRE HYDRANT SHOULD BE INSTALLED FIRST BEFORE THE ROADS ARE PAVED, OR VICE VERSA. SO I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOU TO STAFF RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT THEY'LL WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR LOCATION, MA'AM.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I DIRECTED ROBERT STICE.

WE'VE GOT UTILITIES AND. GOOD EVENING. FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS, MR. JOHNSON, MR. JAFFEE. THAT'S A RELIEF. ROBERT STICE, 1796, ONE BROOK DRIVE.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WHERE ARE WE AT ON E-BIKES AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PROCESS? ARE WE GOING TO PARTNER WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN DAYTONA WITH REGARDS TO REGISTERING THE BIKES AND WHAT HAVE YOU? IF YOU CAN EITHER GIVE ME A HEADS UP OR MAKE THAT KNOWN TO, TO THE FOLKS.

MY WIFE WAS COMING OUT OF PUBLIX AND SHE HAD ABOUT 12 BIKERS COME THROUGH.

AND IT'S IT'S IT'S BRUTAL. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET KILLED AND THEY HAVE AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE AN ATTITUDE THAT IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO JUST PLOW THROUGH.

SO IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. ALSO, THERE'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE ON JUPITER AND EMERSON, ESPECIALLY AT AROUND RUSH HOUR.

YOU HAVE FOUR INTERSECTIONS THERE FOR FOUR ROADS COMING IN AND THE LIGHT'S RED AND IT STAINS RED.

AND I'M UP TO 24 MISSISSIPPI, 25 MISSISSIPPI.

AND I JUST THOUGHT COMING BACK FROM CHURCH, WHEN YOU GO PAST CALVARY CHAPEL, POLICE OFFICERS THERE.

CAN WE HAVE ONE OF PALM BAY FINEST FROM, SAY, 430 TO 530, DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND MOVING THAT GIVE PEOPLE A BIG BREAK WITH REGARD TO THAT AS FAR AS SO I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP MAYBE WITH THE, THE CHIEF OVER THERE AS FAR AS FOX CAMERAS.

I HAVE A DIFFERENT MINDSET ON THAT. I CAME OUT OF AN AREA THAT WAS HIGH CRIME, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A MISUSE OF THAT.

LIKE I STATED BEFORE, THERE WERE THROUGHOUT JAPAN, THERE, THROUGHOUT EUROPE, THERE, THROUGHOUT NEW YORK OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND IF THEY'RE MISUSED IMPROPERLY, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE RESOLVED, BUT IN FACT IS THEY DO STOP.

THEY DO PREVENT CRIME. THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO AVOID A PALM BAY POLICE OFFICER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT IF THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT PLATE, YOU CAN'T OUTRUN A POLICE RADIO.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT I THINK THE FOCUS IS, I GET IT, I'M NOT QUITE A LIBERTARIAN LIKE MY BUDDY BILL BATTEN IS.

HOWEVER. WELL, I'VE SEEN SOME TERRIBLE CRIME WHERE PEOPLE GET MUGGED OR, OR, YOU KNOW, GET JACKED UP OR GET PISTOL WHIPPED AND THEY'RE GONE. AND GUESS WHAT? I DON'T WANT YOUR MOTHER OR YOUR BROTHER OR ANYBODY ELSE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND WE NEED TO GET THESE SLOBS OFF THE STREETS.

SO LET'S WAY. REALLY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SAFETY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MRS OUR DEPUTY CHIEF, IS THERE REGARDING TO YOUR E-BIKE ISSUES.

[03:00:06]

MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES THE CARDS. OUTSTANDING.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. SO WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT. OH, AS YOU WERE, WE GOT ADVISORY INTERVIEWS.

[ADVISORY BOARD APPLICANT INTERVIEWS:]

MR. FRAZIER AND MR. PRICE, IS MR. FRAZIER HERE? STEP RIGHT UP, SIR. MR. PRICE. BUT I GUESS MR. FRAZIER IS NOT HERE. BUT CARRY ON, SIR. BILL PRICE, 738 FIRESTONE STREET, NORTHEAST.

I'M A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY, AND I LIVE ON THE CANAL.

CANAL 51, IN FACT THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN IS A VITAL PART OF PALM BAY.

AND I HATE TO REPORT. GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

IT WAS FOUNDED IN THE 1920S AS AN AGRICULTURAL CANAL SYSTEM.

IN FACT MR. MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED PALM BAY HAS ONLY BEEN AROUND 60 YEARS BEFORE THAT, IT WAS TILLMAN.

YEAH. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE TILLMAN WENT BANKRUPT, AND AYE, ACCORDING TO THEIR AGENDA MEETING MINUTES.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON THE HORIZON OF THAT AGAIN.

MY BACKGROUND I HAVE I'M THE CFO OF MY COMPANY.

I KNOW HOW TO READ A BALANCE SHEET. I KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS FACING THE TILLMAN.

THEY SPENT THEY RECEIVED $2.4 MILLION LAST YEAR AND THEY SPENT $2.4 MILLION.

THEIR COSTS ARE INCREASING EVERY YEAR, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEIR RATES ARE CAPPED AT $25.

AND THAT'S CAPPED BY STATUTE. WITH MY WORK WITH THE FLORIDA HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, I'VE, I'VE STOMPED THROUGH THE, THE HALLS OF TALLAHASSEE.

I KNOW THE KIND OF PARTNERSHIPS AND COALITIONS IT TAKES.

I'VE MET THE TYPE OF PEOPLE TO GET IT DONE. I WOULD BE PROUD TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND SIT ON THE DISTRICT AND HELP MAINTAIN THIS CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. IT'S A VERY WORRISOME THING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE 66 YEARS OLD.

AS YOU WERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

MR. FRAZIER IS NOT HERE. OKAY. AND WE ALL RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT OKAY.

SO I GUESS GO AHEAD AND RANK AND THEN PASS IT ON.

AND THEN NOW WE'RE ON CONSENT. I DON'T

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS REMOVED.

OKAY. WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFER TO MR. MORTON. THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S NO CHANGES FROM THE FIRST READING.

THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE THE FINAL READING. NOTHING NEW TO ADD, BUT STAFF CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU DESIRE.

OKAY, COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

MADAM SMITH, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

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ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY IN SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, STAFF WILL MAKE ITS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT, THEN ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED. CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUEST OF A PARTY, TO THE PROCEEDING. THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFER TO MR. MORTON. MR. JEFFERSON, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

I'LL KEEP IT AS BRIEF AS I CAN.

THIS IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGING FOR ME TONIGHT.

I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PAIR OF GLASSES, SO. THE APPLICANTS, I BELIEVE, ARE HERE TONIGHT.

MR. TIM AND MISS ANGELA CAESAR. THEY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT 701 PEPPER STREET, NORTHEAST, WHICH IS ABOUT 0.43 ACRES. AND IT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE ESTATE, RESIDENTIAL.

THEY'RE SEEKING TO GET APPROVAL OF A 6.5FT REDUCTION OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT ON THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOT. STAFF USED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVISIONS IN CHAPTER 172 TO REVIEW THE REQUEST.

SO VARIANCES, AS YOU KNOW FROM THE TERMS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MAY BE GRANTED WHEN SPECIAL CONDITIONS EXIST AND THOSE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES IS LISTED THERE IN THE REVIEW CRITERIA STATE THAT YOU MUST PROVE A HARDSHIP.

YOU MUST SHOW THAT THE LITTLE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE WOULD BE SUCH THAT IT.

IT CAUSES YOU SOME GRIEF. AND IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MEET THE STANDARD PUBLIC WELFARE HARMONY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE INTENT, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IN THIS CASE, THE SIDE YARD.

SETBACKS REALLY ARE ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SAFETY AND SEPARATION BETWEEN PROPERTIES.

STAFF FOUND THAT THE VARIANCE THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED WAS NEARLY 50%, SO THE REQUIREMENT IS 12FT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR ALMOST A SIX FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK, WHICH IS A 50% REDUCTION IN THE REQUIREMENT.

AND THEY DID NOT PROVE THAT THERE WAS A HARDSHIP OR ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR LOT IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT THAT PLACED THEM IN A POSITION WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE SHOWING SPECIAL PRIVILEGE.

SO STAFF DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE REQUEST.

AND TONIGHT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION AND TAKE FINAL ACTION.

THAT'S IT. I'M SORRY. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THEM NOW.

OKAY. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE. IS THERE ANY ANY, ANYBODY TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL?

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THEY IT LOOKED LIKE THEY OBTAINED APPROVAL SIGNATURES FOR OVER 48 NEIGHBORS APPROVING THE PROJECT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE THAT THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND GOT THAT ACCOMPLISHED.

AND THE ZONING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE SHE IS 12 FOOT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PALM BAY SIZE SETBACKS IS EIGHT FOOT.

SO LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT NUMBER ONE, THAT THEY GOT THAT MANY SIGNATURES AND TWO SETBACKS TYPICALLY ARE EIGHT FOOT AND MOST OF PALM BAY AND THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD IS 12.

SO I DON'T LOOK AT IT IN MY OPINION AS A 50% ASK.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL END MY COMMENTS. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD DEPUTY MAYOR.

THE IS SIGNED. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS PETITIONS.

OKAY, I GOT YOU. OKAY. SURE. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL GET TO THAT.

YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NONE. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND PRESENT YOUR CASE? DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR, ON THIS, DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? NO, NO, JUST FROM THE APPLICANT. OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

701 PEPPER STREET. SO WE DID APPLY FOR THIS. AND YOU KNOW THE MAIN REASON.

WELL, LET ME CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT WAS ONLY A 5.5FT VARIANCE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR NOT A FULL SIX FOOT SIX FEET.

IF I HAD A SHED IN THE SAME EXACT LOCATION CITY OR PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD ALLOW ME TO PUT IT UP TO SIX FEET UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT JUST SO HAPPENS CARPORTS, FOR WHATEVER REASON HAS TO BE 12FT.

WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WHYS OR THE WHY NOTS.

THE REASON I ASKED FOR THIS VARIANCE FOR THIS CARPORT, BECAUSE I HAVE SEVERAL CLASSIC VINTAGE CARS THAT, THAT, THAT I, THAT I HAVE AND I NEED TO KIND OF PROTECT, YOU KNOW, AND THE SIDE YARD IS THE LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT.

I'VE ALREADY GOT A BIG SHED IN THE BACKYARD, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM IN THE BACKYARD TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

AND, AND WE ALL KNOW THE STORMS THAT MOVE THROUGH THIS AREA.

AND, AND I'M LOOKING TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN PERSONAL PROPERTY.

AND THIS ALSO KEEPS THE FRONTAGE OF OUR HOUSE BEAUTIFUL.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CARS SITTING IN THE FRONT FRONT YARD OR THE FRONT DRIVEWAY. WE WANT TO KEEP THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ESTHETICS OF THE HOUSE. LOOKING GOOD.

THE, I KNOW THE MAIN REASON FOR, FOR SOME OF THESE SETBACKS IS, IS FOR PUBLIC UTILITY ACCESS AND FOR DRAINAGE.

SO WE'RE MORE THAN SIX FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE FOR DRAINAGE REASONS.

PUBLIC UTILITIES IS NOT EXISTENT IN THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

REASON BEING IS BECAUSE FPL CAME CAME THROUGH AND BURIED THE, THE POWER LINES A FEW YEARS AGO.

AND THERE'S NO CABLE, THERE'S NO NO FIBER OPTIC, THERE'S NO WATER.

THERE'S NOTHING ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WOULD IMPEDE BE IMPEDED FOR ACCESS IF NEEDED.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT ADDRESS I THINK IS, IS, IS ADDRESSED OR THAT THAT PART IS ADDRESSED.

I'M TRYING TO THINK. I'LL MAKE A MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.

SO SO THANK YOU MR. JAFFE, FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING UP THAT WE WENT AROUND TO THE NEIGHBORS, ALL THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. WE WENT AROUND TO EVERY HOUSE AND EVERYBODY WHO ANSWERED THE DOOR AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS SIDE YARD. 100% OF THEM WERE, WERE, WERE IN SUPPORT OF I ALSO WILL MENTION I CAN STAND IN MY PROPERTY AND SEE TWO OTHER PROPERTIES WHO'VE DONE SIMILAR VARIANCES, EVEN MORE EGREGIOUS THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

AND, AND ONE OF THEM IS RATHER RATHER RECENTLY AND THEY WERE APPROVED AND THEY HAVE THEIR VARIANCES AND THEY HAVE THEIR SHOPS AND, AND, AND METAL BUILDINGS AND WHATNOT. AND SO WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN, THAN, YOU KNOW, OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY GOT APPROVED FOR. THAT'S REALLY MY, MY MAIN COMMENTS OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.

ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. NO, NO ONE HAS A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE AN UNRELATED QUESTION.

SURE. WHAT KIND OF VINTAGE CARS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S START. SO I GOT A 53 CHEVY TRUCK THAT I'M WORKING ON.

I HAVE A 71Z2879Z28. I JUST BOUGHT A WE JUST BOUGHT A 67 SS CAMARO.

6767. THAT'S STILL MY, THAT'S STILL IN MY GARAGE BEING WORKED ON, WORKING ON SOME ELECTRICAL ISSUES.

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I LIKE THE CAMARO. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M A BIG CAMARO GUY.

OH, MY. MY DAILY DRIVER IS A SSRS GEN FIVE. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DEPUTY MAYOR.

SPEAKER. CARDS. CONCLUDES THE CARDS, MAYOR. HE PRACTICALLY HAS A MUSEUM.

OKAY, GENTLEMEN. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HAMER, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, MISS SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2026-23, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. DESIGNATION OF TWO PARCELS LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF MEDIPLEX PARKWAY, NORTHEAST FROM COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, RESPECTIVELY, BOTH TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, MR. MORTON, MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST ASK A QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HEAR ITEMS THREE AND FIVE TOGETHER AND VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY? THEY COULD ALWAYS. AND THEY DO. THEY AGGREGATE THE ITEMS, BUT EACH VOTE NEEDS TO BE SEPARATELY. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STANDARD.

BUT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THEM AGGREGATING THE PRESENTATIONS.

IT'S JUST NOT THEY HAVE TO BE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MORTON. MR. JEFFERSON WILL PRESENT ITEMS THREE AND THREE AND FOUR.

THREE AND FIVE. YES, THREE AND FIVE. THREE. IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE ITEM THREE AND ITEM FOUR. YOU WANT TO HEAR. WELL, FIVE IS A STAFF INITIATION.

DEPUTY MAYOR WANTED TO GET THAT WHOLE PRESENTATION FROM.

THE THE APPLICANT. SO I FIGURED YOU'LL YOU'LL DO THE SAME.

OKAY. YES, SIR. SO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRIVATE APPLICATIONS ARE JUST THE NEXT TWO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. AND THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM FIVE. COPY.

BUT OKAY, YOU WANT ALL THREE OF THOSE? WELL, AS YOU WERE, MA'AM, IT'S THREE, THREE AND FOUR.

THREE AND FOUR IS FINE. THREE AND FOUR. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

SO THE APPLICANT HOMES REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER, INC.

HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR A CHANGE TO .85 ACRES FROM, AS CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC.

I WANT TO GET TO A CERTAIN MAP HERE. THIS MAP HERE WILL GIVE YOU A LOOK AT HOW THE ZONING LOOKS RIGHT NOW.

THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS ACTUALLY HAS THREE DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON IT.

THE MIDSECTION OF THE CAMPUS IS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC CURRENTLY, AND THEN IT'S FLANKED ON THE EAST AND WEST BY COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS I'M SORRY HIGHWAY. I'M SORRY COMMERCIAL.

AND LET ME GET. I'M SORRY I MESSED MYSELF UP WITH THAT MAP.

SO THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT OVER TO PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC TO MAKE IT UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE, WHICH ACTUALLY DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS CURRENTLY, IT CAUSES THEM SOME LIMITATIONS IN TERMS OF THEIR SITE PLANNING. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS THAT TAKES UP THAT MIDSECTION AND THE EASTERN PORTION. SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S DEVELOPED AS A HOSPITAL, A MEDICAL FACILITY.

HOWEVER, IT HAS THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, EVEN ON THE PART THAT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED.

AND THEN TO THE WEST, WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, THAT HAS THAT SAME ZONING RESTRICTIONS AS THE FAR EASTERN PART.

AND THEN THE EASTERN SECTION OF THIS LOT IS ACTUALLY JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT IS NOT WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS,

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BUT IF THIS APPLICATION WERE TO BE APPROVED, IT'S A VERY NATURAL TRANSITION.

IT MAKES IT MAKES MORE SENSE THE WAY THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED IT, AND IN FACT, WILL ALLOW THEM TO SUBMIT A COHESIVE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE LOT WITHOUT USING THREE DIFFERENT ZONING REGULATIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE ON ONE PORTION OF THE LOT VERSUS THE REQUIRED HEIGHT OR THE OPEN SPACE AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THIS CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF FOUND AS WE LOOKED AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED APPEARED TO MEET ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

GRANTED, THERE ARE SOME TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE AND THEY'VE AGREED TO THOSE.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE LEVELS OF SERVICE ARE WITHIN ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS.

AND SO STAFF FOUND THAT WE SHOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.

AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE FROM YOU TONIGHT.

SO WITH THE REZONING, THAT'S CASE CPZ 2601. IT'S RELATED TO THE SAME PARCEL PORTIONS OF THE PARCELS FOR THE CAMPUS. AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO HAVE THE ZONING CHANGE FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.

I MISSPOKE THAT ON THE LAST ONE TO THE INSTITUTIONAL USE ON THIS ONE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S THOSE SAME SECTIONS OF THE CAMPUS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT HERE, THE ZONING LOOKS JUST AS BAD AS THE FUTURE LAND USE DID.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU MAKE THAT TRANSITION TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE CAMPUS TO INSTITUTIONAL USE, IT LOOKS MORE INTEGRATED AND THERE'S STILL ACTUALLY A NATURAL TRANSITION FROM THAT INSTITUTIONAL USE TO A HIGHER DENSITY ZONING, WHICH IS THE MX 15.

AND THEN MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL ALONG MALABAR.

IN THIS CASE, YES. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CODE CHAPTER 172.

THE CRITERIA FOR THE APPLICATION REVIEW IS LISTED THERE FOR YOU.

AND WHAT REALLY STOOD OUT WITH THIS APPLICATION WAS THE CHANGE IN CHARACTER, WHICH I JUST MENTIONED.

ACTUALLY THE TRANSITIONS REMAINED AND IT'S A NATURAL.

MY APOLOGIES. IT'S A NATURAL TRANSITION THAT'S BEING CREATED HERE.

COPY. IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, WE FOUND THAT STAFF DID SUPPORT IT.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.

AND SO TONIGHT, WE'LL NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS BUZZING IN NOW, BUT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON JUST REAL QUICK.

CAN WE. AND THIS MAY BE FOR MISS MISS SMITH. CAN THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS WILL BE DOWN THE LINE, BUT CAN THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS BE DONE PRIOR TO WHAT'S THE TERM FOR OCCUPANCY.

IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED THROUGH THE CONCURRENCY THAT THERE ARE SOME TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED.

AND THAT'S ALREADY BEING PLANNED. I WOULD GUESS ON THEIR SITE PLAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. MA'AM.

DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO PRESENT THEIR CASE? REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS PROPER.

ARE WE HEARING THREE AND FOUR AT THE SAME TIME? AND DO WE OPEN UP THE THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING? AND IF SO, ANY. MR.. WE'RE GOING TO STILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS SHE JUST BRIEFED, BUT THE QUASI JUDICIAL WILL BE DIFFERENT.

OKAY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO NEED MR. OLIVER TO SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD FOR THE COURT. HE DIDN'T SUBMIT ONE FOR NUMBER FOUR WHEN THAT TIME COMES.

OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ONLY SPEAKING ON THREE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NONE OF THE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE RELATED TO FOUR LATER, CORRECT? OKAY. WELL, HE CAN DO HIS PRESENTATION, BUT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE I'LL READ FOUR.

YOU'LL VOTE ON IT SEPARATELY. HE CAN DO ALL OF THEM AT ONCE AND JUST COME UP FOR FOUR FOR YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS. BUT WE WILL ACTUALLY CALL THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

OKAY. BUT I DON'T NEED A SPEAKER CARD FOR HIM RELATED TO ITEM BEFORE HE'S AN ATTORNEY.

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OKAY. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL, SO.

YEAH. THANK YOU. ARE YOU GOOD NOW, SIR? OKAY.

IT JUST BUZZED. THAT WAS DELAYED. YEAH. CARRY ON.

SIR. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. COLE OLIVER WITH THE LAW FIRM REPRESENTING HEALTH FIRST ON THIS MATTER.

FIRST I'D LIKE. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING, SO I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.

AND IF YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL HANDLE THEM THE BEST I CAN.

I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH A THANK YOU TO STAFF.

THEY'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS. WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THEM. MISS JEFFERSON AND YOUR CITY MANAGER HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH.

YOU KNOW, BUT REALLY QUICK THE STAFF REPORTS IN THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE ISSUES THERE, BUT I DO WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING. CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC, MR. OLIVER? YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU. USUALLY I GET TOLD TO BE QUIET DOWN.

SO GETTING CLOSER TO THE NEW ONE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY A $230 MILLION HOSPITAL EXPANSION.

AND AS, AS MR. JEFFERSON STATED, ONE OF THE ISSUES WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS THAT HOSPITALS AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED WITHIN SOME OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS IS ON, INCLUDING SOME OF THE HOSPITAL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING EVERYTHING INTO CONFORMITY SO WE CAN BUILD OUT THIS EXPANSION AND PART OF THIS EXPANSION OBVIOUSLY DUE TO PALM BAY TREMENDOUS GROWTH OVER THE YEARS, IS TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS NEEDS HERE.

IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE 12 CURRENTLY, AND IT'S STILL GOING UNDER PROGRAMING DESIGN AS A PROGRAMMATIC DESIGN AS THEY GO THROUGH THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING PHASE.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 12 NEW ICU BEDS, 17 STEPDOWN ROOMS, WHICH ARE, AS YOU COME OUT OF THE ICU BEFORE YOU GO TO BE TOTALLY STABILIZED, 30 NEW MEDICAL AND SURGICAL ROOMS, ADDITIONAL SHELLED OUT SPACE FOR ANOTHER 30 HOSPITAL ROOMS ON TOP OF THAT.

THAT WON'T BE FINISHED OUT AT THIS TIME, BUT THEY'LL BE READY AS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS THOSE SERVICES, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS.

THERE'LL BE EIGHT NEW OPERATING ROOMS, TWO HEART CATH LABS, TWO ENDOSCOPY ROOMS, A NEW STERILE PROCESSING DEPARTMENT, 42 NEW PRE AND POST OP BAYS FOR AS PEOPLE RECOVER INCLUDING ALL THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THIS.

AND STAFF IS CORRECT. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL INCLUDE SIGNALIZATION AT THE DRIVE, INCLUDING THE NEW TURN LANES.

HEALTHFIRST IS COMMITTED TO MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO BEAR, AND ALSO THEY WILL LIKELY BE SOME SEWER MAIN UPGRADES AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT'S IN THE HOSPITAL ITSELF.

AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, THERE'LL BE THE NEW ENERGY PLANT TO HELP MAKE SURE THE HOSPITAL STAYS UP AND RUNNING AND THE COOLING HVAC SYSTEMS, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IN YOUR PACKAGE.

I THINK IT'S PAGE 199 I THINK ON THE STAFF PACKAGE SHOWS THE CONCEPT DRAWING WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING CAMPUS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW TOWER THAT GOES UP IN THAT CENTER SECTION, WHICH IS ALREADY ZONED AS THE FOR THE HOSPITAL USE.

AND ON THE WEST SIDE IS WHERE THE ENERGY PLANT AND THE EXPANDED PARKING WILL GO.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH ALL THE BUFFERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S NEEDED TO PROTECT US FROM OR PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS FROM OUR USES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO, TO BRING THIS PROJECT WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

WE WOULD LOVE TO BE BREAKING GROUND THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE ENGINEERING STAFF ARE WORKING VERY DILIGENT WITH PALM BAY YOUR CITY STAFF TO TO GET THIS GOING.

AND SO WE'RE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US BUT HAPPY TO BE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY HERE.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER. I DID HAVE ONE OUTSIDE OF THIS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S NOT QUASI JUDICIAL. IS THAT GOING TO BE A TRAUMA CENTER? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE ADDING OPERATING ROOMS. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A TRAUMA CENTER CURRENTLY, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT THERE THAT WILL HANDLE THAT RIGHT NOW.

HOLMES REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER IN PALM AND EXCUSE ME, IN THE MELBOURNE CAMPUS HAS THE THE TRAUMA CENTER SPECIALIZATION.

AND SO DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE OF SERVICE NEEDED, I, I JUST HAD SOMEBODY ASK ME AND I WAS I WAS JUST WONDERING ON THE OUTSIDE.

THANK YOU. NO, BUT I WILL SAY I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT TO COUNCILMAN HAMMER'S EFFORT, I, I MUST I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THIS.

I AM EXPECTING HEALTH FIRST AT ONE POINT TO BRING IN BIRTHING SUITES BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT AND DEPUTY MAYOR OR ACTUALLY CHIEF JEFF SPEARS WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS BORN AND RAISED

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SO WE WANT BIRTHING SUITES HERE IN PALM BAY. I JUST WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD AS THAT.

BUT I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST YEAH, JUST A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS HAPPENING.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AS A PARTNERSHIP AND FOR YOU GUYS TO INVEST A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE IN PALM BAY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.

SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. THANK YOU.

I'LL PASS IT ALONG TO THE CLIENT. THIS IS BACKFLIPS TO THAT.

RIGHT. BUT BIRTHING SUITES IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

YES, SIR. SO THANK YOU. AND. WELL, WE'LL LET YOU COME BACK IF I NEED ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

AT THIS POINT, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? STEP RIGHT UP, SIR. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. DOUG HOOK, 1091 MARIPOSA DRIVE.

I'VE SAID IN THE PAST THAT I TRY TO COME UP TO THIS PODIUM ON BEHALF OF SOME OF THOSE FLORIDA RESIDENTS THAT CAN'T, SUCH AS GOPHER TORTOISES. I WANT TO BE CLEAR AT THE START THAT I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE REDEVELOPING OR THE REZONING AND RECLASSIFICATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL.

I JUST WANT TO BRING SOME THINGS UP TONIGHT TO FOR THE APPLICANT'S CONSIDERATION.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS PACKET SHOWS THAT THERE ARE LIKELY THREE ACTIVE DINH'S GOPHER TORTOISE DENS ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE REZONED. AS WE ALL KNOW, THE FWC DOES HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE TO WHERE YOU CAN REHOME THOSE GOPHER TORTOISES FOR A NOMINAL FEE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT, AND I THINK I'VE SAID IT BEFORE IN THE PAST, IS THOSE DENS, EVEN IF THEY'RE INACTIVE, ARE ACTUALLY HOME FOR WHAT ARE CALLED COMMENSAL SPECIES, UP TO 350 DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPECIES USE GOPHER TORTOISE DENS.

INACTIVE OR ACTIVE. AND SOME OF THOSE SPECIES ARE ACTUALLY PROTECTED JUST AS GOPHER TORTOISES JUST BECAME CRITICALLY ENDANGERED.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT CONSIDER IF THEY ARE WILLING TO DO SO IS I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PROPERTY AND POTENTIALLY MINIMIZE THE NEED, OR EVEN COMPLETELY REDUCE OR REMOVE THE NEED TO REHOME THOSE GOPHER TORTOISES IF FEASIBLE.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS A MAJOR CONSIDERATION ON THERE.

AND IF THOSE GOPHER TORTOISES DO HAVE TO BE REHOMED, THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THAT PARCEL IS ACTUALLY PETE GOPHER TORTOISE HABITAT AS WELL.

SO IF THEY COULD INCORPORATE GOPHER TORTOISE FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING PRACTICES AND PLANTS THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO GOPHER TORTOISES.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE COMPROMISE WITHIN THEIR.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LANDSCAPE ANYWAYS AND THAT KIND OF LANDSCAPE.

PLANTS THAT WOULD FEED THOSE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS OF THE THREE GOPHER TORTOISES THAT MIGHT HAVE TO GET EVICTED FROM THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE A NICE COMPROMISE TO KIND OF HELP OUT THE GOPHER TORTOISE POPULATION IN THAT AREA.

AS ALWAYS, THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD IS HERE TO ASSIST.

IF ANYBODY, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH THE BOARD.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING COMING UP NEXT WEEK. AND AS WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY PERSONAL ASSISTANCE TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE TYPES OF PLANTS AND STUFF THAT IS NEEDED.

FWC HAS RESOURCES AVAILABLE. AND I CAN HELP GUIDE THEM IN THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME? MISS OLIVER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP? OR WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT NUMBER FOUR.

BUT NO, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IN WAYS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED IN THE PROJECT.

AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP THE GOPHER TORTOISES THERE, THEY WILL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS EXPANDING A LARGE PARKING FIELD THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE HOSPITAL. SO TO THE BEST EXTENT WE CAN, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONCERNS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. OLIVER. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. MISS SMITH, ORDINANCE 2026-24.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

REZONING TWO PARCELS LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF MEDIPLEX PARKWAY, NORTHEAST FROM OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT OP AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT H C, RESPECTIVELY. BOTH THE INSTITUTIONAL USE DISTRICT I U PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. MORTON.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE NOTHING NEW TO ADD AND THE DUAL PRESENTATION. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF US OR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS?

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ASKING FOR A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MADAM SMITH. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 17, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

CHAPTER 173 ZONING. SUBCHAPTER PART TWO. STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS BY ALLOWING HOSPITALS AS A PERMITTED USE AND TO ADDRESS HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS FOR SPECIFIED MEDICAL FACILITIES.

FACILITIES. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, I'M OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND MR. MORTON, ALTHEA AND COMPANY. THANK YOU.

THIS ONE IS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. STAFF INITIATED THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE WE STARTED TO LEARN A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE MEDICAL HOSPITAL INDUSTRY. AND AS WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR THEIR FUTURE PLANS AND THE CHALLENGES WITH THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND FUTURE LAND USE. WE STARTED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS THROUGH FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND OTHER STANDARDS THAT THEY HAD TO MEET. WE ALSO REALIZED THAT OUR CURRENT CODE, ACTUALLY IN THE INSTITUTIONAL USE DISTRICT, HAS HOSPITALS AS A CONDITIONAL USE, AND THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

SO WE ARE CHANGING THAT TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE BY ALLOWING HOSPITALS OUTRIGHT IN THE INSTITUTIONAL USE CATEGORY.

OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUALLY REFERENCES THOSE TYPES OF USES FOR PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC FUTURE LAND USE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT IS WE HEARD MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC HEIGHTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR SURGICAL ROOMS. AND LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF, SAY, AN MRI MACHINE AND OTHERS AND KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE TO FIT THIS HUGE EQUIPMENT ON THESE FLOORS, YOUR AVERAGE FLOOR HEIGHT IS USUALLY ABOUT 12FT, 10 TO 12FT, AND THEY NEED FAR MORE THAN THAT IN SOME CASES 20FT OR SO. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT FOR HOSPITAL USES, SPECIFIC USES LIKE THE SURGICAL CENTERS AND HOSPITALS AS IDENTIFIED IN FLORIDA STATUTES, THAT IF YOU COULD GIVE THE CITY MANAGER THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR HEIGHT FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES IN THIS DISTRICT ONLY, SO IT CAN'T BE APPLIED IN ANY OTHER DISTRICT.

IF THERE WAS A HOSPITAL BEING PROPOSED, SAY, IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD NOT GIVE THAT AUTHORITY AUTHORITY TO THE CITY MANAGER.

ONLY IN THIS CASE, WHERE IT'S THIS USE AS DEFINED BY STATUTES AND INSTITUTIONAL USE.

COPY THAT. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. I DON'T SEE ANY ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HAMMOND, SECONDED BY MAYOR.

MEDINA. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, MADAM SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2026-26. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF A PARCEL LOCATED BETWEEN WYNDHAM DRIVE SOUTHWEST AND MELBOURNE TILLMAN DRAINAGE CANAL TEN FROM COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL, AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MR. MORTON.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL FOR THE NEXT FEW ITEMS TO ALTHEA JEFFERSON.

THANK YOU SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE THESE NEXT TO COMBINE THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS ONE? WELL, WELL, LET'S LET'S JUST HANDLE ONE FIRST.

YEAH. OKAY, SO THE NEXT TWO CASES, HOWEVER, ARE REGARDING THE SAME SITE, 5.09 ACRES.

THIS FIRST CASE IS A SMALL SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, WITH THE REQUEST BEING TO CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.

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AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR CONSERVATION TO THE NORTH AS WELL AS INDUSTRIAL.

WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS A CHANGE TO ONE SPECIFIC LOT.

WITHIN THAT SWATH OF COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO BE CHANGED TO INDUSTRIAL.

AND THIS WOULD THIS PROPOSAL WOULD ELIMINATE THAT NATURAL TRANSITION I JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY CREATED WHEN THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP WAS ADOPTED. AND APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED CHANGE WILL CREATE WHAT WE CALL A KIND OF A SPOT FUTURE LAND USE OF INDUSTRIAL. WITHIN THE MIDST OF THREE OTHER FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.

SO YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S NOT THAT NATURAL TRANSITION NOW.

YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING OF A DONUT HOLE THAT'S BEING CREATED AND SURROUNDED BY NOTHING THAT RELATES TO IT.

IF THE PROPOSAL IS APPROVED AGAIN. IN THIS CASE, FOR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, STAFF REVIEWED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT USING THE CRITERIA WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FROM CHAPTER 172, INCLUDING FACTORS REGARDING THE EFFECT ON THE CITY'S ECONOMY, LEVEL OF SERVICE, HISTORICAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES, COMPATIBILITY, TRANSITION OF CHARACTER DENSITY AND INTENSITY.

THOSE FINAL THREE, PARTICULARLY, ARE WHERE STAFF EXPERIENCED A LOT OF HEARTBURN WITH THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.

THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE AS YOU THINK ABOUT GOING BACK TO THAT MAP AND WHAT'S BEING CREATED THERE, THAT NATURAL TRANSITION OF CHARACTER, THE CHANGES IN INTENSITY THAT IT'S CREATING, IS ALL NOT SUPPORTED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ACTUALLY MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE REQUEST, EVEN THOUGH THE EVIDENCE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT.

AND WE'RE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE FIVE ACRE PLUS PROPERTY. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU MAYOR. IT'S GOING TO DING SO YOU CAN CUT IT OFF.

BUT CURRENTLY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA, WHAT WHAT ARE THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT COULD BE IN THAT AREA? THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AS WELL.

OF JUST WE WANT MORE INDUSTRIAL, BUT JUST DROPPING IT IN.

YEAH. RIGHT THERE. THAT'S YEAH. THERE'S RESIDENTS ON, ON THE, ON THE YELLOW SIDE THERE.

THAT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S PROPOSED OUT THERE.

OKAY. BUT FOR. THE APPLICANT HAS CONTENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE.

THE CITY HAS PLANS IN PLACE THAT CONTEMPLATE MORE INDUSTRIAL IN THE CITY AS AS A CITYWIDE THING.

AND SOME REFERENCES TO OTHER THINGS, BUT SOME OF THE, THE PLANS AND STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN REFERENCED BEFORE BY THE APPLICANT REALLY ENVISION THE CITY NOT DOING A PIECEMEAL SORT OF CHANGE.

AND WHEN YOU DO IT PIECEMEAL THIS WAY, YOU REALLY DO CREATE A LOT OF INCOMPATIBILITIES.

OKAY. SO WHAT WOULD BE MORE IN REGARDS TO LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? WHAT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE IN THAT AREA PER SE? YOU MEAN IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE, IF IT WERE COMMERCIAL, IF IT WEREN'T, IF IT WERE JUST THE STATE AND SEE IF IT WERE TO STAY AS IT IS TODAY, THEY COULD THEY COULD BUILD ANY ALMOST ANY COMMERCIAL USE.

THAT'S NOT EXTREMELY INTENSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS. WHERE ARE YOU GOING? COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING TO EXPLORE OPTIONS. LIKE WE.

YES. WE WANT MORE INDUSTRIAL. YES, WE WANT MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

WE'VE SPOKEN ON IT SPECIFICALLY, LIKE IN THE COMPOUND.

THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST ONE WE'VE SPOKEN ON. YEAH.

BECAUSE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE OUT THERE. BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO.

YES. THERE'S SOME INDUSTRIAL TO THE UP A LITTLE BIT FROM IT.

BUT YEAH, IT IS KIND OF A, JUST A RANDOM. I DON'T WANT TO.

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YES SIR. JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

HAVE OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR WEIGH IN AND COLLEAGUES, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

SO I WANT TO HEAR THEIR TAKE AS WELL. SO. OKAY.

I GOT COUNCILMAN HAMMOND HAS A QUESTION TOO. ARE WE SEEING.

ARE WE SEEING ANY UTILITIES TO THAT AREA YET? OR IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S OUT THERE ALONE, CURRENTLY POTENTIALLY OUT THERE ALONE? AND YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO GET SOME TESTIMONY FROM FIRE.

I DON'T THINK CHIEF STOVER IS HERE, BUT HE DID SPEAK AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS THAT YOU PROBABLY SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST FIRE HYDRANT, ALMOST TWO MILES THE RECURRENCE OF BRUSH FIRES IN THE AREA AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. YEAH, I DID READ THAT THE ZONING CHANGE MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE AND A LITTLE BIT, WELL, MORE STRENUOUS ON, ON AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NOT THERE YET.

WELL, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE.

SO RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO FOCUS ON SPECIFIC USE FOR THE PROPERTY, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, WHAT USES COULD OCCUR WITH A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE TO INDUSTRIAL AND THEN CONTEMPLATE THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICES THAT NEED TO BE PROVIDED, THE CONDITIONS IN THE AREA, THE INTENSITY OF THAT PARTICULAR FUTURE LAND USE COMPARED TO WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW, THOSE SORTS OF ELEMENTS BECOME CRITICAL.

OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS GOING IS THAT'S ALL BY ITSELF.

YEAH. AND IT, IT, IT STICKS OUT AND YEAH, PERHAPS I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, BUT, BUT I, I, I BELIEVE HE'S THINKING, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT YEAH. WELL MY THOUGHT WAS, WAS WITH COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE UTILITIES, BUT WITH INDUSTRIAL YOU CAN PUT A FACILITY OUT THERE WITHOUT POWER AND WATER. CORRECT. WITHOUT POWER AND WATER? YES. YOU CAN RUN A FACILITY WITHOUT UTILITIES IF IT'S INDUSTRIAL.

BUT IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE UTILITIES.

CORRECT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE THE SITE IS ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO ARE WE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME OR DID YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL KIM REZANKA WITH LACI REZANKA IN MELBOURNE, FLORIDA, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE THE CONTRACT PURCHASER, WHICH IS THERMO, WHO IS PURCHASING THE PROPERTY FROM DAVID MCCALLUM.

I THINK THIS PODIUM HAS GOTTEN SMALLER. THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON IT'S NEW, MA'AM.

I DO HAVE A PACKAGE, BUT I DO WANT TO START. THIS IS THE COMPOUND.

THIS IS YOUR INDUSTRIAL VISION AND AND COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE WATER OR POWER.

AND IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO DRILL WELLS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR OWN HYDRANT. BUT I KNOW WE'RE JUST ON COMP PLAN.

BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE.

THERE'S NOTHING. AND UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

BELOW IT IS CITY OWNED. THE CITY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY REZONED THIS INDUSTRIAL AND CHANGED THE FUTURE LAND USE, BECAUSE THAT'S IN YOUR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT THIS ONE LITTLE COLOR, YOU HAVE THAT ALL OVER THE MAP.

THAT'S NOTHING NEW AND A CHANGE OF COLOR DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST ALLOWING SOMETHING TO BE DEVELOPED WHERE THERE IS NOTHING.

ALSO, THERE'S NO HOUSES ANYWHERE OUT THERE. THERE'S A MAN THAT TESTIFIED AT PNC THAT SAYS HE CAMPS ON HIS PROPERTY ABOUT A HALF A MILE AWAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE. SO THIS IS STARTING THE PROGRESSION OF WHAT YOU ALL HAVE ASKED FOR, WHICH YOU ALL APPROVED IN APRIL OF 2025. SO JUST TO START THE, THE COLORS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING.

THE COMPATIBILITY IS BASED UPON THE USES AND THERE'S NO USES OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND WHAT WOULD IT BE USED FOR? THEY WANT TO DO A PROPANE BULK PLANT DISPENSARY WHERE THEY BRING ONE TRUCK IN A DAY AND AND THEN PEOPLE THEN IT'S LIKE 1 TO 4 TRUCKS A DAY THAT WILL COME TO THIS SITE. HOW BIG IS THAT TANK? WELL, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. THE APPLICANT, MANITOBA IS HERE.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S IT'S. WELL, I GUESS THIS IS COMP PLAN.

THIS IS TRYING TO GET TO THE INDUSTRIAL VISION YOU ALL HAVE.

I'M TRYING, MA'AM. I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN YOU SAID TANK, I WANT TO GET A VISUAL, BUT.

OKAY. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE, SO WE'LL GET THERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

IN MY OPINION, IF WE GET TO THE REZONING STAGE.

SO I'VE GOT TWO SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS KNOWING WHAT I'VE SEEN YOU ALL DO.

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THAT'S OKAY. I LIKE CHATTING WITH YOU, MAYOR.

THAT'S FINE. CARRY ON. SO. BUT THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. ARE YOU HAVING FUN? YES, MA'AM.

I CAUGHT YOUR COMMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

THIS IS NOT WORKING FOR ME AT ALL. IT DOESN'T HOLD MY PAPER.

IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. THANK YOU MA'AM.

DO YOU HAVE ONE FOR ME AND THE CLERK? OKAY. THANK YOU.

SIR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT GOING FROM THE RED COMMERCIAL TO THE PURPLE INDUSTRIAL.

THE GOAL IS TO ALLOW A PROPANE GAS DISPENSARY.

AND THIS IS TO MOVE TO. AND IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR INDUSTRIAL ZONING, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. AND ALSO IT WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

WE'RE NOT HERE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT YET.

THAT'S WHERE CHIEF STOVER SPOKE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO SPEAK AS THE USE THE EXACT USE MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND BY CHIEF STOVER ARE ALL SITE PLAN ISSUES. HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE WATER, HOW WE'RE DOING THE POWER.

THOSE ARE ALL SITE PLAN ISSUES. THOSE ARE NOT COMP PLAN ISSUES OR REZONING ISSUES MIGHT BE CONDITIONAL USE ISSUES.

SO IN ORDER TO BUILD THIS PROPANE GAS DISPENSARY, WE MUST HAVE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND WE MUST HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

AS MENTIONED, THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA IS UNDEVELOPED, HAS ALWAYS BEEN UNDEVELOPED.

THE CURRENT FLUME DESIGNATION DOES NOT WORK TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU IS A LARGER MAP AREA, BECAUSE WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE TO ME IS PRETTY SMALL.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS MAP IS THAT THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY NORTH.

THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY SOUTH. MR. MCCALLUM OWNS THE PROPERTY. THE TWO PROPERTIES SOUTH AND THE BLUE AREA, THE PSP, WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AT ALL FOR MR. MCCALLUM. OH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO. OH, SEE, NOW I I'M NOT GOOD WITH THESE. SO PRESS THE TOP BUTTON UP HERE.

SO MR. OWNS THIS PROPERTY THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY.

BOMBARDIER OWNS THIS PROPERTY. BOMBARDIER OWNS ALL THIS INDUSTRIAL.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING AREA IT INCLUDES THE BOMBARDIER PROPERTY.

WITH THIS PSP DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS TO OWN PSP LAND.

FUTURE LAND USE BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF PSP LAND IS TO ACCOMMODATE MAJOR EXISTING AND PROGRAM, PUBLIC AND QUASI PUBLIC FACILITIES. GOVERNMENT OWNED FACILITIES, CHURCHES, UTILITIES, CLUBS, LODGES, EDUCATION. HOSPITALS. CONGREGATE LIVING.

SO THE PSP IS NOT APPROPRIATE. SO THE CHANGE IN COLOR THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN THIS PURPLE IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE INTENDING.

SO PAGE. SO AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF A MISNOMER THAT IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING OUT HERE.

ALSO IF YOU LOOK, THERE IS A 300 FOOT CANAL AND RIGHT OF WAY TO THE WEST.

SO THAT IS A NATURAL BUFFER. THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE SAINT JOHN HARRIS PARKWAY IS SUPPOSED TO GO.

SO AGAIN, I HAD THE ZONING MAP BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE SHE WAS GOING TO DO IT.

AM I ZONING MAP? IT HAS WHERE WHERE IT IS JUST LIKE SHE HAS.

THE NEXT PAGE IS JUST TO SHOW THAT THIS IS IN PORT MALABAR UNIT 53, WHICH IS THE COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO JUST TO SHOW THAT THIS IS THE PROPER AREA.

THEN I HAVE PAGE FOUR THROUGH SIX IN YOUR PACKET.

THESE ARE THE INITIAL COMMENTS WE GOT FROM YOUR STAFF THAT SUPPORTED THIS APPLICATION.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, IT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CP250006 DUE TO SUPPORTIVE EVIDENCE FOR FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT ON THE SITE, THE COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN.

THIS IS PART OF THE LONG TERM VISION BY THE CITY AND OTHER ENTITIES.

THESE STAFF REPORTS NOW DON'T EVEN MENTION THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IT TALKS ABOUT WHY THIS IS SUPPORTED OBJECT TO POLICY.

11ICE-1.2 AYE. OBJECTIVE 1.7 A LARGE AREA OF LAND NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL SHOWING

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THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED MAP AMENDMENT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE 300 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

THE NEXT PAGE. THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

MR. FRANCO MADE NO COMMENT. SO BACK IN JUNE OF 2026, STAFF SUPPORTED THIS APPLICATION. OH, I KNEW I HAD SOMETHING ELSE FROM MR. FRANCO. NEXT PAGE. CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BELOW PER BELOW.

STANDARDS REQUIRED PRIOR TO USE AGAIN WHICH IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE.

THEN I HAVE FOR YOU PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN MARCH OF 2025.

THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS THIS EXACT AREA THAT'S ANTICIPATED FOR DEVELOPMENT AS INDUSTRIAL.

THE NEXT PAGE. SUMMARY OF KEY FINDINGS IN THIS REPORT.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OF FLORIDA'S SPACE COAST REPORTS 95 OF PROJECT LEADS ARE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THIS IS TO BE THE CATALYST TO GET THIS REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN MOVING.

ALSO IN THIS PLAN, BOMBARDIER HAS EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO SWAP LAND.

AND THAT HASN'T BEEN MOVED FORWARD AT ALL TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN. IN FACT, THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS WHERE THE PARKWAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE. THE PARKWAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE RIGHT ADJACENT TO HERE, WHICH WOULD BUFFER ANY RESIDENTIAL THAT MAY GO IN THERE IF UTILITIES EVER GET OUT THERE.

THE NEXT PAGE. NEXT STEPS CONSIDERATION PLANNING UPDATE, FUTURE LAND USE PLANS FOR THIS AREA.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD FOR THE CITY ALSO SAYS TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE CONSISTENT.

AND I JUST HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE PAGE THAT SHOWS YOU ALL HEARD THIS ON APRIL 17TH OF 2025.

I HAPPEN TO BE HERE. THREE OF YOU APPROVED IT.

THE OTHER TWO WEREN'T HADN'T BEEN ELECTED YET.

SO I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE STAFF REPORT.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LONG NIGHT, BUT THE STAFF REPORT MAKES STATEMENTS THAT JUST ARE NOT SUPPORTABLE AND DOESN'T DEFINE COMPATIBILITY AS IT'S PROPERLY DEFINED. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS, THE ITEMS THAT ARE STATED ARE NOT THEN ADDRESSED.

FOR EXAMPLE, ITEM ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL HAVE A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE EFFECT ON THE CITY BUDGET OR ECONOMY SO THAT IT COULD SUPPORT FUTURE INDUSTRIAL INVESTMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT THEN IT GOES ON AND TALKS ABOUT OBJECTIVES OF BALANCED AND ORDERLY LAND USE PLANNING, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WHEN NONE OF THAT'S BEEN DONE ACCORDING TO YOUR ACTION PLAN IT TALKS ABOUT AN ITEM TWO FIRE RESCUE NOTED THE FIRE HYDRANT. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE OUR OWN FIRE HYDRANT AGAIN. THAT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE.

THAT'S NOT A COMP PLAN ISSUE. SOME OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, OPTIONAL OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS AND INFRASTRUCTURE DEMANDS.

IF WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ROAD, WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ROAD.

THAT'S A SITE PLAN, NOT A COMP PLAN. WELL, WE WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT.

STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSAL IS NOT EXPECTED TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL SITE OR HISTORIC RESOURCES.

THEN WHETHER THE EVENT WILL HAVE A FAVORABLE ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO FIND HOUSING.

THIS IS A NONRESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL. WE'RE NOT TAKING HOUSING AWAY STAFF GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE COMPATIBILITY.

IT'S HIGHLY SPECULATIVE. NUMBER FIVE WILL IT PROMOTE OR ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY, WELFARE. AGAIN THEY TALK ABOUT EXTENSION OF PUBLIC UTILITIES INCREASED DEMAND FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

IF WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE, WE WILL. BUT THOSE AREN'T COMP PLAN ISSUES.

REQUESTED LEVEL OF SERVICE. AGAIN, WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING TRIPS AWAY FROM A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.

ALSO IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN HERE IS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT THAT SHOULD ALLOW US TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS YOU ALL INTEND IT TO BE.

LET'S SEE. TALKS ABOUT TRANSITION CITY OF PALM BAY TALKS MORE ABOUT CONDITIONS.

OKAY. NUMBER NINE, WHETHER THE REQUEST RELOCATES HIGHER DENSITY INTENSITY USES AN AREA WHICH ALREADY FEATURE ADEQUATE VEHICULAR ACCESS AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC FACILITIES AT THE PROPERTY, WILL NOT REQUIRE ANY EXTENSION OF PUBLIC FACILITIES.

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PROPOSED AMENDMENT DOES NOT ALLOCATE, DOES NOT APPROPRIATELY ALLOCATE HIGHER INTENSITY USES TO AN AREA WITH A DEMONSTRATED CAPACITY FOR SUCH DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL RIGHT TO OUR NORTH.

WE HAVE CITY LAND DIRECTLY TO OUR NORTH WHICH IS ANTICIPATED TO BE INDUSTRIAL.

THE STAFF INDICATES THAT THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE.

COMPATIBLE WITH COMPATIBILITY UNDER THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT MEANS A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND USES OR CONDITIONS CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME. THERE ARE NO USES OUT THERE.

THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST USE IF WE NEED TO HAVE BUFFERS OR ANYTHING TO.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SECURITY. WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTING. WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE SITE PLAN ISSUES. BUT THIS IS THE VISION OF THE CITY TO DEVELOP THIS AS INDUSTRIAL. AND THIS IS THE START. I DID WANT TO INTRODUCE JIM MCKNIGHT.

HE'S THE PLANNER. HE'S THE EXPERT PLANNER FOR THIS CASE.

I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW MR. MCKNIGHT. HE'S THE ONE THAT WROTE THESE ANALYSIS, BECAUSE I NOW HIRE PLANNERS TO WRITE THE ANALYSIS BECAUSE YOUR FACTORS OF ANALYSIS ARE VERY INTENSE. SO I WANTED MR. MCKNIGHT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS IMPRESSION OF THE COMP PLAN APPLICATION, BECAUSE HE WROTE IT, AND HE HAS SOME REAL LIFE STORIES TO TELL YOU ABOUT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. I WILL NOT GO OVER THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN BY MR. ZANCA. I AM JIM MCKNIGHT. I AM THE PROJECT PLANNER.

ONE NOTE, MR. MAYOR, YOUR CITY STARTED IN 1960.

I MOVED TO BREVARD COUNTY IN 1959. SO I'M GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF MY AGE.

IT'S OVER 66. ANYWAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE LOSING A LITTLE BIT IS THAT NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE AS, AS WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT, 300 FOOT SEPARATION ON THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL, BUT THAT IS WHERE THE SUPPOSED PLAN IS FOR SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO GO, WHICH TO ME IS A LOGICAL.

AND WHAT BETTER TO HAVE IS THAN EXPANDING YOUR INDUSTRIAL BASE IN THE AREA.

ALSO, TO USE HER TERM, SHE CALLED IT A DONUT HOLE.

THE AREA TO THE NORTH IS CONTROLLED BY THE CITY, SO THE LAND BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND THE INDUSTRIAL IS CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE YOUR INDUSTRIAL.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HEAVY. IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND CURRENTLY THAT COMMERCIAL SERVES NO ONE WHO DOES IT SERVE.

OKAY. IT DOESN'T SERVE ANYBODY. THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT COULD BE KEPT.

OKAY. BUT IN THIS AREA WHERE IT IS MOVING ADJACENT TO THE INDUSTRIAL, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE INDUSTRIAL IN THAT AREA. I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK OVER THE COMPOUND STUDY, BUT IT WAS CLEARLY STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THIS WAS KEEPING WITH THE COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN. AND I'VE READ IT. I'VE LOOKED OVER YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS FAR AS YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOES.

AND THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THAT. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A WISE THING TO DO.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID WANT TO READ REAL QUICKLY AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

THIS WAS IN YOUR REPORT FROM THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL BACK IN 23.

CREATING AN INDUSTRIAL PARK CAN BRING ABUNDANT BENEFITS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO THE CITIES AND ITS RESIDENTS.

AND THIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMPOUND AREA.

NEW INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS, REDUCING UNEMPLOYMENT. AND AGAIN, THEY WENT ON TO DISCUSS THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND HOW THIS PROPERTY COULD FIT WELL INTO THAT.

AND THIS IS IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNCIL TO CREATE NEW INDUSTRIAL OPPORTUNITY.

THAT REALLY IS NEEDED, I BELIEVE BY EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN IN THE THE REPORTS THAT THE COUNCIL GOT, WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY GIVE YOU IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS CAN BE SUCCESSFUL 50 YEARS AGO.

AND, YOU KNOW, ROCKLEDGE IS KIND OF CLOSE TO MY HEART SINCE I SPENT 31 YEARS THERE AS CITY MANAGER.

THEY DECIDED THAT IT WAS TIME TO CREATE SOME INDUSTRIAL.

THEY PUT IT IN AREAS THAT WERE ACROSS THE ROAD FROM SOME RESIDENTIAL SOME AREAS THERE WAS NO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY TOOK A CHANCE AND THEY PUT A ROAD IN AS A PART OF IT.

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SEE, THE ROSWELL GLOBAL'S THE VERTEX. HYDRO MAJOR INDUSTRIAL USERS.

CLEAN LIGHT. NOTHING HEAVY. BUT TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS ONE OF THE CITY'S MOST WHAT I CONSIDER PRESTIGIOUS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS DIVIDED BY A 100 FOOT DRAINAGE CANAL.

WE HAVE 300FT HERE. THERE ARE WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT AND BE COMPATIBLE.

IT'S NOT A. IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT IT. IT IS INCOMPATIBLE.

IF YOU HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL, IF YOU HAVE APPROPRIATE BUFFERS.

AND I THINK IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE BUFFERS BUILT IN.

AND THEREFORE I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION AND THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH THE ZONING AFTER THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? SO I LOVE SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING OUT THERE.

IS IT JUST ME OR ARE WE TRYING TO REZONE WHERE THE ROAD'S GOING? WELL, IT'S PART OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING INTO WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE, THERE'S A RECOGNITION THAT THERE WILL BE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE NEEDED ON THAT WEST SIDE FOR THE ROADWAY. WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING WE HAVE THIS WHOLE DEAL WE PUT TOGETHER AND WHOLE PLANS FOR THE WHOLE AREA, AND WE'RE GOING TO REZONE A LITTLE BIT OF THE ROAD.

NO, YOU HAVE NOT ACQUIRED THE ROAD YET. I KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PLANS ARE.

WELL, WE HAVE TO SAY THE ROAD GOES THROUGH AND IT COMES UP TO HERE.

ISN'T THIS JUST GOING TO PUT A ROADBLOCK IN IT? NO, NO, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE VERY WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

YEAH. I'M NOT SEEING. DO I NEED. I'LL LET THE MADAM ATTORNEY RESPOND.

YES. CAN YOU MAY HAVE VARIOUS VISIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY ABOUT WHY YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS ITS CURRENT LAND USE WHILE YOU'RE FINE WITH IT CHANGING. BUT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS BASED UPON WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF A ROADWAY OR NOT, SINCE WE DON'T OWN IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU SHOULD EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HE SAID IT'S CURRENT WITH IT. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THAT IF IF IT'S CURRENT WITH IT, LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S CURRENT WITH IT.

THAT'S JUST MY PART. THERE IS. IF IT HELPS ANY COUNCILMAN, THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS WHERE THERE IS PLANS ON THAT WESTERN SIDE FOR THE ROADWAY. AND THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT MAKES NO SENSE TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? MR. BATTEN AND MR. ALLEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ALL ALONG THAT WE NEED TO START GETTING COMMERCIAL. WE NEED TO START GETTING BUSINESSES OUT IN THE COMPOUND OR SEEING SOMETHING HAPPEN IN THE COMPOUND.

I HAVE A COPY OF THE COMPOUND REPORT THAT THEY'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, AND I'VE LOOKED AT IT.

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU PROPOSED. SAID, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING HAPPENING OUT THERE.

THIS IS INDIVIDUALS ARE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING HAPPEN.

EVERYBODY WAS ALL IN FAVOR OF IT UNTIL THEY SAW WHAT THE BUSINESS WAS.

AND THE BUSINESS IS WHAT'S SCARING THE PEOPLE AWAY RIGHT NOW, NOT BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL COMING IN TO BENEFIT IT.

SO I'M GOING TO PUT IT THIS WAY. IT'S LANDOWNERS RIGHTS.

THEY CAN THEY CAN DEVELOP IT. THEY COULD STILL DEVELOP IT WITH IT WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING.

THEY COULD POTENTIALLY DO THIS. THEY COULD STILL DO IT RIGHT NOW.

LANDOWNERS RIGHTS. THEY COULD DO IT WITH WHAT IT'S ZONED AS RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME CHANGE. THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY. THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS YOU'RE NOT GENERATING ANY TAX REVENUE OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALL VACANT LAND. YOU'RE NOT GENERATING ANY MONEY. THIS IS GOING TO BRING IN A TAX REVENUE THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY.

RIGHT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SEE, THOUGH, IS IF WE DON'T START GETTING SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL OUT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF VACANT LOTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE. IS ANYBODY BUILDING ANYTHING OTHER THAN BOMBARDIER AND THERE.

SO THAT'S IT. ONE BUSINESS IN 60 YEARS OUT THERE, RIGHT? WHAT BOTHERS ME IS WE'RE NOT WE'RE LOOKING FOR STUFF LIKE NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE MAKE PROPOSALS TO STUFF THAT'S IMPACTING ON THE RESIDENTS. THIS ISN'T GOING TO IMPACT ON ANYBODY.

SO LANDOWNERS RIGHTS IS GIVING YOU THE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU WANT OUT THERE.

SO PROCEED. MR.. MR. ROWLAND'S NEXT. YES, SIR.

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I OWN 100 ACRES ON THAT AREA. I HAD 160 ACRES.

I SOLD THE PARCEL WHERE IT SAYS PSP ON IT TO BOMBARDIER, AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS WORKING TO.

OBTAIN THAT PARCEL FROM BOMBARDIER BY TRADING, GIVING THEM A YELLOW PIECE OVER THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE PARCEL THAT SAYS INDUSTRIAL.

I ALSO OWN THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH THAT NOT THE CITY OF PALM BAY OWNED.

YOU KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT SOLD IT TO THEM. I ALSO OWN 1600 OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS OVER THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF KEEP ON CHANGING OVER HERE AND NOBODY KNOWS THE HISTORY.

IT WAS JUST LAST YEAR WHERE WE HAVE APPROVED THAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, AND THEY SPEND $100,000 OVER THERE. THIS COUNCIL ACTUALLY APPROVED IT, AND THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT WORKING ON BRINGING THE WATER AND SEWER TO THAT INTERSECTION AT COLGAN, WINGHAM AND BOMBARDIER BOULEVARD.

SO I WANT TO GET GOING. THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE.

THE NEAREST HOUSE TO THAT LOCATION IS OVER A MILE AWAY, MAYBE ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.

AND THE PAMPHLET THAT I GAVE YOU, THE BELTWAY IS GOING TO GO OVER THERE, YOU KNOW.

SO THERE IS A BIG BUFFER BETWEEN THIS PARCEL AND THE BELTWAY IS GOING TO GO OVER THERE.

SO WE NEED TO GET GOING. I AM WORKING ON THE BELTWAY.

I AM ALSO WORKING ON THE UTILITIES AND THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THESE PARCELS OVER THERE.

WE NEED TO GET THE BELTWAY SO WE CAN RELIEVE THIS CRAZY TRAFFIC OVER HERE.

AND WE NEED TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL. THE CITY ASKED ME TO VOLUNTARILY LET THEM ADMINISTRATIVELY CHANGE THE WHOLE THING TO THE INDUSTRIAL. THIS IS LAST YEAR, GIANCARLO. WE MET OVER THERE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SUCH, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE THING TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, PIECE BY PIECE.

YOU KNOW, I CAN CHANGE IT IF THE USB. I HAVE A USER RIGHT NOW, SO I WANT TO GET GOING AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS GOING TO GO OVER THERE.

I WANT YOU TO APPROVE THE ZONING AND THE LAND USE.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE END USER, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER.

BUT THE ZONING AND LAND USE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE IT.

I WANT TO GET GOING. AND I ALSO HAVE A JUDGMENT AGAINST THE CITY THAT YOU MUST MAKE IN THESE AREAS.

BUILDABLE. THAT'S 25 YEARS OLD, 26 YEARS OLD.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER? AGAIN, SAY AGAIN. JUST ASK AGAIN, JUST IN CASE.

NO, I HAD A QUESTION. SO. DURING THE PRESENTATION, I GUESS THEY WANT TO PUT A GAS TANK IN THERE OF SOME SORT.

A PROPANE GAS? YES. THE APPLICANT IS THIS THE THE USE.

BUT YEAH, MY MY QUESTION IS. BUT BEFORE WE YOU COULD MAKE A COMMENT AFTERWARDS.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL A PERMITTED USE FOR THESE GAS TANKS.

OR THESE PROPANE TANKS OR WHATEVER THEY PLAN ON.

IT'S NOT PERMITTED OUTRIGHT. WHAT THE WHAT THEIR.

THEIR PROPOSED INTENT FOR ITS USE IS NOT PERMITTED OUTRIGHT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

OKAY, THEN WHAT WOULD THE ZONING BE FOR THAT PERMITTED USE OF THEIR INTENT FOR IT TO BE PERMITTED OUTRIGHT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

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AM I TRACKING THAT CORRECTLY? LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT WE'RE LOOKING TO GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE NEXT APPLICATION YOU WILL HEAR IS THEIR APPLICATION TO REZONE THAT PARCEL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

BUT FIRST YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

YEAH. SO SO I'M JUST TRYING TO PAINT THE BROADER PICTURE HERE FROM WHAT I'M RECEIVING.

YEAH. IT'S GOOD THAT WHAT WE DECLARED RIGHT. BUT THAT PERMITTED USES WHAT I'M GETTING AT WHERE WHERE ARE WE GOING.

SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY BEFORE? YES, SIR. SO I DID WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE APPLICANT.

AGAIN, THEY MENTIONED A FEW TIMES THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE SITE PLAN ISSUES, SITE PLAN ISSUES OR THEY RELATE TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR.

IF THESE APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IN LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE OUTLINED FOR OUR CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THIS INCLUDES WHETHER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL PROMOTE OR ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE OR ESTHETICS. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DISTANCE TO FIRE HYDRANTS AND THE BRUSH FIRES AND THOSE OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS, THESE ARE NOT SITE PLAN CONCERNS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE ITEM NUMBER NINE WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT SHE MENTIONED IN OUR REVIEW CRITERIA REGARDING THE HIGHER DENSITY OR INTENSITY.

AND SEVERAL TIMES IT WAS SAID THAT, OH, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE COLORS ON THE MAP, THE COLORS ON THE MAP DO MATTER.

THE COLORS ON THE MAP TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE PROJECTING OR COMMITTING TO FOR THE FUTURE.

SO LIKE YOU, YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL VERSUS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

ONCE YOU COLOR THAT PURPLE, YOU CAN HAVE EITHER ZONING ON THAT PARCEL.

SO THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE.

THE COLORS DO MEAN SOMETHING. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO KEPT REFERRING TO THE PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL FOR THE CITY. AND WHILE IT MAY SEEM RIGHT AGAIN, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT APPLICATION.

WHILE IT MAY SEEM RIGHT TO REFERENCE THAT PLAN, WE REALLY DO HAVE TO STICK TO, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND YES, THE FLORIDA STATUTES WHEN IT COMES TO TO COMPATIBILITY.

I DID LOOK AT AND I DID MENTION COMPATIBILITY IN THE PRESENTATION, NOT JUST FOR HOW WE LOOK AT IT IN THE CITY, BUT I ALSO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE STATE'S DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY.

AND WE DIFFER ON WHAT COMPATIBILITY MEANS FOR THE CITY.

I'M LOOKING AT IT FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF HOW THE FLORIDA STATUTES DEFINES IT.

MR. MCKNIGHT TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

MISS ROSENKER TALKED ABOUT THE COMMENTS IN HER HANDOUT.

HE IS MISTAKEN ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.

HE'S ACTUALLY REFERRING TO THOSE COMMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED.

THOSE COMMENTS ARE FROM OUR I MS REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION RECENTLY.

WE DID HIRE SOME HELP FROM A CONSULTANT TO GET SOME ASSISTANCE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING APPLICATIONS.

THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE AND DISTRIBUTE IT WITHOUT MY APPROVAL AS THE DIRECTOR.

I HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON HOW I INTERPRET THE CODE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.

I DIFFERED WITH THOSE COMMENTS. ONCE THEY'RE OUT THERE, I CAN'T TAKE THEM BACK.

BUT I CAN WRITE THE STAFF REPORT. THAT IS NOT THE STAFF REPORT.

THAT IS ONE PERSPECTIVE. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS STRICTLY BY OUR CODE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MAYBE I WENT BACK TOO FAR.

IT'S THAT THAT CRITERIA IN THE LEFT COLUMN, AS WELL AS THE COMPATIBILITY DEFINITION FROM THE STATE AND OUR VERY OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,

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BUT SINCE THEY DID BRING UP THAT STUDY, I WOULD SAY THAT AGAIN, THE STUDY DIDN'T JUST SAY REZONE AND CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE.

IT HAD SEVERAL PROVISIONS IN THERE, AND IT HAD AN ATTACK PLAN OF DOING THINGS IN INCREMENTAL PIECES, ATTACKING, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSPECTIVE TO ANOTHER, TO ANOTHER, AND ALSO LOOKED AT THE JOB CREATING INDUSTRIAL USES.

SO WE WE CAN GET TO THAT ON THE REZONING APPLICATION, BUT THAT'S NOT A CONSIDERATION REALLY HERE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FOR FOR ME, IT'S PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THOUGH. THE TANKS.

RIGHT. AND, AND I GUESS WE I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT END.

RIGHT. ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES OF A GAS TANK EXACTLY WHERE THAT COMPOUND IS.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GENTLEMEN, BUT WE HAD SEVERAL FIRES IN THE COMPOUND AND I HAD THE BLESSING OF, OF ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OUR FIRE RESCUE TEAM.

AND I SEEN IT FROM A CHOPPER FROM AN OLD HUEY THAT THE SHERIFF HAS.

AND I GOTTA TELL YOU TO CONTROL YOU, YOU GOTTA GIVE IT UP TO OUR FIRE RESCUE TEAM.

HOWEVER, I'M THINKING GAS TANK IN THE COMPOUND TODAY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A GOOD RESULT. THAT THAT'S WHERE WHERE I WAS GOING.

BUT SO FOR THIS APPLICATION, IF WE CAN STAY AT THE 100 ZERO ZERO ZERO FOOT LEVEL.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING MAYOR CORRECTLY. CARRY ON.

MA'AM. YES, SIR. I YES, HE IS MENTIONING THE USE, BUT I THINK IT'S IN COMPARISON.

IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL THERE WOULD BE NO GAS TANKS THERE.

RIGHT. SO IS LOOKING AT SHOULD WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT USE THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW SOMETHING THAT HE THINKS IS INAPPROPRIATE, AS OPPOSED TO THIS CHANGING USE THAT WILL ALLOW SOMETHING.

SO I DON'T THINK HE'S GETTING DOWN TO THE ZONING, BUT I THINK HE IS LOOKING AT IT AS WHETHER THE CURRENT USE IS MORE APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER THERE USED TO BE CHANGED, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING. MAYOR. RIGHT, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

AND THAT IS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU MA'AM. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? YEAH, MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND AND KIND OF THE WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.

SO WE'RE ONLY AT THE CHANGING OF THE COMP PLAN PART RIGHT NOW, WHICH TO ME, THE POINT OF A COMP PLAN AND A ZONING IS BIG PICTURE URBAN PLANNING. THE POINT OF URBAN PLANNING IS YOU HAVE SMART PEOPLE GET IN A ROOM, YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF A CITY AND YOU DECIDE WHAT MAKES SENSE IN A CITY TO HAVE THE BEST URBAN PLAN.

AND YES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT WHEN IT MAKES SENSE.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE AS A CITY, SINCE THIS NEW COUNCIL'S COME ON AND A NEW LEADERSHIP TEAM HAS COME ON, THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS COMP PLAN. THE OLD COMP PLAN AND THAT WE HAVE IDEAS MAYBE FOR THE COMPOUND REGARDLESS DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF WE DO OR NOT.

MY IDEA, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF IS LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW, SO WE SHOULD BE DOING A WHOLE WAITING FOR THEM TO COME OUT WITH A WHOLE COMP PLAN FOR THIS COMPOUND OPPOSED TO US DECIDING.

WELL, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CHANGE ONE PLOT IN THE COMPOUND.

AND AT THIS STAGE, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT BECAUSE AS IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, IT'S ZONED YOU KNOW, SO IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE IF WE FEEL LIKE WE, WE WANT TO DO THAT.

AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A ENTIRE, LIKE, WHY IS THERE ALL THIS LIGHT OR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OUT THERE.

WHEN WE. OUR INTENT IS TO DO INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE COMP AT THE COMPOUND FROM THE BIG PICTURE WITH STAFF.

THEY SHOULD BE GOING THROUGH IT AND SAYING, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT OUT THERE, WHETHER IT'S INDUSTRIAL OR WHATEVER. AND THIS SHOULD ALL COME BACK AS A SINGLE REZONING AND THEN WE CAN START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PIECEMEALING AFTER THAT.

BUT I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING ONE PLOT AT THE MOMENT.

WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE TYPE OF GAINS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IN THE COMPOUND.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE. MA'AM, THIS ISN'T A QUASI JUDICIAL.

YOU DON'T GET TO REBUT. YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED YOUR PRESENTATION, MA'AM.

DO I GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT? YEAH, WELL.

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BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN ALLOW. OKAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE A DICTATOR UP HERE. I'M GOING TO.

EVERYONE AGREES SHE SHOULD COME BACK UP. COME ON UP.

THANK YOU AGAIN, KIM REZANKA, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER CHANDLER, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THIS COUNCIL MEMBER. SORRY.

THIS WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL OF 2025, AND THE CITY HAS DONE NOTHING.

MR. MOALLEM HAS WAITED A LONG TIME TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE CITY IS GOING TO DO ALL OF THIS.

THAT ALL THAT'S ALL THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION LAND THIS QUARTER.

ACRES UNDEVELOPABLE. SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD.

AS TO THE USE. THE USE IS A CONDITIONAL USE. WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE USE.

BUT AS MR. MCCALLUM SAID, HE WANTS THIS TO BE INDUSTRIAL REGARDLESS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO SEE THINGS GO THERE.

INDUSTRIAL LAND CAN DO IT WITHOUT UTILITIES. ALSO, I WANTED YOU TO LOOK WHERE THE BOMBAY BOMBARDIER PROPERTY IS.

THE BIG TWO PURPLE SQUARES. THERE'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR THERE'S RESIDENTIAL LIGHT RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

SO THIS IS THIS COLOR AND CHANGING AND TRANSITION.

THERE'S NO TRANSITION NEXT TO BOMBARDIER. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

ALSO THIS RED COMMERCIAL, THERE'S NO END USERS THERE.

IT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL. THERE IS A REASON TO CHANGE THIS BECAUSE THERE IS AN END USER THAT WANTS TO MAKE USE OF THIS PROPERTY, SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS IT IS.

IN FACT, THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE OWNING COMMERCIAL LAND, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR NEAR FUTURE COMP YOUR EXCUSE ME, THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS THAT AS AN ELECTRICAL STATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D HAVE IT. SO THE CITY OWNS THE LAND.

THEY'VE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO REZONE IT OR CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE.

AND AGAIN, BOMBARDIER OWNS THE PSP, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE EITHER.

AND SO DOES MR. ALLEN. AGAIN, I WANT TO. THE CHARACTER IS VACANT.

IT'S A CLEAN SLATE. THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE.

THERE'S NOTHING INTENDED TO BE BUILT OUT THERE.

THE. THE PROPOSAL FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO COUNCILMAN CHANDLER'S.

THAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE I GAVE YOU. IT'S ON PAGE TEN OF THE PACKET ON UNNUMBERED.

BUT THIS PARCEL WILL STILL BE USED AS INDUSTRIAL.

EVEN IF THE PARKWAY TAKES SOME OF THE LAND, IS STILL INTENDED TO BE USED AS INDUSTRIAL.

THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING FIVE PLANNED TO BE ON THAT LAND EVEN IF THE PARKWAY COMES THROUGH.

SO ZONING IT NOW WILL STILL ALLOW THE INTENT OF THE COMPOUND PLAN.

ALSO, LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE NEXT STEP CONSIDERATIONS WHICH ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.

AGAIN IT DOES SHOW THIS EXACT AREA AS GOING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND SO AS TO THE PROPANE TANK ISSUE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT USE, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DENY THAT IF WE GET THROUGH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ZONING, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOUR PLAN HAS INTENDED.

THAT'S WHAT YOUR STAFF REVIEWER THOUGHT MADE SENSE.

YOU HAVE TWO PLANNERS NOW RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND ONE THAT'S RECOMMENDING DENIAL.

I DO WANT TO GO ONE ONE MORE THING. SEE IF I CAN GO FORWARD LOOKING AT THESE REVIEW CRITERIA.

CITY BUDGET NO IMPACT ON CITY BUDGET. LEVEL OF SERVICE.

NO IMPACT ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. HISTORICAL NATURAL RESOURCES.

NO IMPEDIMENT TO THAT ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT. THIS WILL CREATE SOME JOBS.

IT'S NOT CAUSING ANY DETRIMENT TO ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT, PUBLIC HEALTH, NO PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES.

THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE SELF-CONTAINED. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

COMPATIBILITY. THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE. AND IF THERE WAS OUT THERE, COMPATIBILITY IS BY THE 300 FOOT.

TILLMAN CANAL AND ANY BUFFERS THAT ARE NECESSARY.

BUT THIS IS INTENDED TO ALL BE INDUSTRIAL. ON TRANSITION OF CHARACTER.

YOU'VE GOT INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH. THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA SURROUNDING AREA AND DENSITY AND INTENSITY.

THIS IS WHAT'S INTENDED BY THE COMP PLAN REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN.

SO WITH THAT I WOULD REQUEST YOU APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

AGAIN, THIS IS A CATALYST TO DOING WHAT YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDED A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND WHAT YOU ALL ADOPTED.

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ARE WE DONE? BUT, MRS. STICE, DID HE SPEAK? YEAH, BUT WE.

WE. COME ON UP AT 11:00. AND WE STILL GOT SIX MORE BUDGET ITEMS. I GOT I GOT YOU. WELL, WE WE ALLOWED HER TO SPEAK.

ROBERT STICE THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. I THINK MY PERCEPTION SITTING BACK THERE, YOU'RE ALL THINKING OF PROPANE AND YOU'RE THINKING OF FIRE.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT SAFETY. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE TANKS.

BUT A TANK IS GOING TO BE. ARE THEY PROPANE TANKS FOR RESIDENTS? ARE THEY LARGER TANKS FOR AN INDUSTRIAL IF THEY I MEAN LARGER TANKS FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.

I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A GAS STATION IN THERE, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE THAT SENSE OF FEAR IN HERE? SO IS IT SAFE? WHAT'S THE HISTORY ON THIS? I MEAN, I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT THAT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FOLLOWING WHAT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED. SO WHERE'S THE SAFETY? THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE I BELIEVE ULTIMATELY THIS IS TO GET TO A POINT OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO GET A BIG TANK OUT THERE, NOT A LITTLE PROPANE TANK. AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THERE, I'M NOT THERE TODAY.

SO THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, GENTLEMEN, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION FROM COUNCIL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE COMP PLAN CHANGE.

SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, LOOK, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

DID YOU WANT A SECOND? YES. OKAY. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, JUST JUST TO ADD TO IT, BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

I WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS FOR THE REZONING TO INDUSTRIAL AND CITY LED, CITY LED INITIATIVE CITY LED REZONING.

SO WE TAKEN THE INITIATIVE AND REZONING OURSELVES.

AND I HAD TO I HAD BROUGHT IT UP TO MR. MORTON BECAUSE WE WEREN'T DOING IT AT THE TIME.

AND WE JUST HAD A QUICK, I HAD JUST BROUGHT IT BACK UP TO HIM AGAIN ON HIS RESPONSE.

AND MR. MORTON, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO. SPEAK ON THAT BRIEFLY.

JUST JUST THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SINCE I'M ASKED TO DISCUSS.

IT IS JUST SIMPLY THE. THE 2025 COMPOUND REDEVELOPMENT ACTION PLAN DOESN'T SIMPLY JUST SAY ANY REASON IS COMPATIBLE.

ANY USE IS COMPATIBLE. ANY PLAN IS COMPATIBLE. IN FACT, IT DOES SPECIFICALLY RECOMMEND DEVELOPING A DETAILED MASTER PLAN FIRST, INCLUDING UPDATED LAND USE AND ZONING REGULATIONS THAT BUILD AROUND THIS IDEA OF INDUSTRIAL CAMPUS WITH ANCILLARY COMMERCIAL SUPPORT, JOB CREATORS, ALL THOSE THINGS. AND AS WE WERE WORKING TO DEVELOP THESE LAND REGULATIONS AND GET OUR HEAD AROUND A MASTER PLAN, ONE OF THE THEORIES THAT CAME INTO PLAY WAS IF WE DON'T ALIGN THE STEPS PROPERLY, WE RUN THE RISK, WHICH IS JUST, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT GERMANE HERE, JUST A CONVERSATION WE HAD RUN THE RISK OF INFLATING LAND VALUES BEYOND THE ABILITY OF ANYONE TO EITHER ASSEMBLE THOSE PARCELS OR RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT LITTLE PIECES OF DIRT WHERE TWO GRAND, IF SUDDENLY THEY'RE ALL ZONED YOU KNOW, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND THE SPACE COAST STUDY AND THE STATE BOTH SAY ANYTHING 25 ACRES AND OVER IS IN SUPER HIGH DEMAND.

ANYTHING OVER 250 ACRES OR LARGER IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND IN CENTRAL FLORIDA.

SO DEPENDING ON THE BLOCK WE ASSEMBLE, ARE WE ACTUALLY HELPING DEVELOPMENT OCCUR OR ARE WE PRICING DEVELOPMENT OUT? AND WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THOSE QUESTIONS AND MAKING SURE WE WERE BEING STRATEGIC IN THE PLANNING, THE REZONING, THE LAND USE REGULATIONS YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS.

I THINK THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD. YES, SIR. THAT'S THAT'S THE EXACT CONVERSATION. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES. SO THAT'S ALL.

ALL RIGHT. RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCILMAN LANDMAN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY.

NAY PASSES 4 TO 1. WE ARE NOW ON ITEMS. WE DON'T DO ITEM SEVEN DO WE? MAYOR, IF I COULD HAVE JUST MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING TO 1130.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

NOW ON. WE DON'T, MADAM SMITH. WE DON'T GO TO ITEM SEVEN.

DO WE KNOW? OKAY, WE'RE BACK TO. WE'RE NOT ON.

WE'RE NOW ON A POINT. OH, WE SHOULD BE GOING TO CONSENT.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

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MAINTENANCE IS EXPENSIVE. THEY WANT TO PURCHASE A NEW MACHINE.

MY QUESTION IS, WHY NOT LEASE IT SO WE DON'T REPEAT THE SAME ISSUE? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. KEVIN WRIGLEY, PUBLIC WORKS IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS, IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE IT ON A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT LIKE THIS WE, I TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE IN LEASING SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO BE PAYING AN INTEREST RATE ON TOP OF THE BASE PAYMENT.

SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE FIVE YEAR LEASE, I WOULD END UP PAYING THE COST OF THE ACTUAL MACHINE PLUS AN ADDITIONAL USUALLY IN LIKE FOR FLEET ASSETS, YOU'D GET 7 TO 13% WOULD BE THE MARKUP. BUT WE WOULD, I WOULD END UP SPENDING A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER THE COURSE OF ALL THOSE YEARS THE, THE BENEFIT OF DOING A LEASE WOULD BE THAT DURING THE LEASE, YOU GET A MAINTENANCE PLAN.

BUT THIS QUOTE, WE ACTUALLY PURCHASING THE MAINTENANCE PLAN UP FRONT.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT FIVE YEAR MAINTENANCE PLAN AS IF WE WERE LEASING IT, BUT JUST BE PAYING THE COST OF THE ACTUAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

NOT IS THIS A PLOTTER? SO YEAH, A LARGE SCALE PRINTER.

YEAH. LIKE A 42 BY 36 LIKE, LIKE LIKE BLUEPRINT SIZE DRAWINGS OR JUST MY EXPERIENCE.

IT'S THE WIDE FORMAT. IT'S FOR STREET SIGNS. SO IT'S 64 INCH WIDE FORMAT, WIDE FORMAT.

IT'S FOR THE, IT PRINTS THE LAMINATES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, YOU THEN PUT ON ALUMINUM WHAT THEY'RE CALLED THE BLANKS.

AND WHAT WAS THE LEASE PAYMENT IF I DON'T HAVE THE LEASE PAYMENT WITH ME HERE? OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, SIR.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES FOUR ONE. WE'RE NOW ON UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

[UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS:]

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'RE NOW ON NUMBER TWO. I MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT TIMOTHY LANCASTER AS A AS THE MINISTERIAL APPOINTMENT TO THE POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS PENSION PLAN BOARD OF TRUSTEES. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE, MADAM SMITH.

YES, MAYOR. YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE CONSIDERATION OF A DEVELOPER FUNDING AND INDEMNIFICATION AGREEMENT IS REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY FROM FOUR STAR AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE EXTENSION OF THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THE REAL PURPOSE OF THIS AGREEMENT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAINLY, IF THE CITY GOES FORWARD WITH EMINENT DOMAIN, THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE ACTUALLY PAYING THE COST FOR THE CONDEMNATION PROCEEDING PROCEDURE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE PROFESSIONALS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HIRE AS WELL AS ANY ACQUISITION COSTS AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY. ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY EXTENDING THE ROADWAY. IT PROVIDES STANDARDS, THE TYPICAL THINGS THAT WE DO AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS INSURANCE THAT IT MEETS, THERE'S THE MAINTENANCE BOND, IT MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT THIS TIE IN WILL MEET THIS TIE IN WITH THE PART THAT IT WILL BE IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY. OF COURSE, EMINENT DOMAIN IS A GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION.

SO THIS AGREEMENT ALSO ASSURES THAT THE CITY IS DRIVING THE CHARGE FOR MAKING ANY DECISIONS RELATED TO THE ACTUAL EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDING, WHEREAS ANY DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE REGARDING THE OFFER AND THE ACCEPTANCE AS FAR AS THE PRICE, THE. THE CITY WOULD MAKE AND AGREE WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT THE CITY ITSELF WOULD TAKE CHARGE OF THE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS.

THE MAIN THING IS FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO OWN THE PROPERTY.

SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE ROAD.

AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS FOCUSED ON, IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS EXTENSION OF THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH OF IT AS POSSIBLE, BE DEVELOPER FUNDED, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE FUNDS ITSELF TO PAY

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AND AS FAR AS THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, AND THIS IS JUST ONE STEP AS FAR AS US TAKING THE INCREMENTAL APPROACH TO GET THE PARKWAY A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO CLOSE.

OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

MY QUESTION IS MORE TOWARDS MR. MORTON, DID I THOUGHT WE WE DID WE NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT ALREADY REGARDING THIS? NO, NO.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT AGREEMENT. OKAY.

AND SO WHERE ARE WE? STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE AGREEMENT.

MONTHS AGO, WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION TO START THIS PROCESS.

YES. THIS IS JUST GETTING US OVER THE FINISH LINE.

OKAY. TO MAKE IT ALL LEGAL. COPY THAT. SO, MR. MORTON AND I'M. I'M TRACKING THAT. BUT WHY HAVEN'T WE GOTTEN THIS RESOLVED YET? I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DIFFICULTY, I THINK, IN THE DEVELOPER ACCEPTING SOME OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.

I THINK WE WERE STILL STRUGGLING TODAY WITH SOME REQUIREMENTS OVER THE DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I'D LIKE THAT DEDICATED TO PATRICIA. SHE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT, MADAM SMITH, BUT I WANT TO DEDICATE IT TO THE CITY, NOT THE COUNTY OR ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO GET THAT DEDICATION TO THE CITY. TODAY I HEARD ONE OF THE PARTNERS WANTS TO DEDICATE IT TO THE COUNTY AND ADD NEW CONDITIONS. I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY CONTROLLING OUR FUTURE IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE POTENTIAL CONDITION OF NOT DESIGNATING THAT SECTION SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, BUT DESIGNATING SOMETHING ELSE. AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME GENERIC ROAD THAT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS CONVERSATION HAS EVER BEEN ABOUT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE RESOLVED THOSE TWO ISSUES YET.

BUT WE GOT EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS. I DID, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE NOT PROCEEDED WITH THE CONDEMNATION BEYOND A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THE CITY NOT GETTING STUCK IN A SITUATION WITH THE SOUTH INTERCHANGE AND BEING FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE OUTCOMES GO.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S THE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED AND DRAFTED, I BELIEVE, BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH WITH THAT? I THINK THE AGREEMENT COVERS THE FISCAL CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.

YES, INCLUDING REQUIRING DEPOSITS AND, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNING ALL IN EVERY COST INDEMNIFICATION HOLD HARMLESS TO THE CITY, TO THE DEVELOPER. SO I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN WHAT MISS SMITH HAS DRAFTED, UNDERSTANDING THOSE PARAMETERS.

RIGHT. YOU GUYS ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN, WHAT I DON'T HAVE RESOLVED YET, AND IT MIGHT JUST BE A SIMPLE ANSWER ARE THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS IN RESPECTS TO THE INTENT, PURPOSE AND DEDICATION OWNERSHIP OF THE FUTURE PARKWAY LANDS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MADAM SMITH. YES, I DID, AS FAR WHICH MR. MORTON MAY NOT HAVE SEEN AS FAR AS THE SECOND PART AS YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE WHERE IT SAYS THAT THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE PART OF THE PARKWAY, THAT IS NOT PART OF THAT, THAT WAS STRICKEN. WHAT DOES REMAIN IS THE THE DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR SARTORI WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNTY. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT DID TAKE A WHILE, BECAUSE THIS IS RELATED TO THE US, AT LEAST FOR THE DEVELOPER TO. THE SECURITY ISSUE IS INITIALLY THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY ACCEPTING THE RIGHT OF WAY OVER IN ROLLING MEADOWS, WHICH IS UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.

IF THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT WHILE THE ROAD DID NOT CONNECT AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY A BIG, YOU KNOW, HOLD UP A BIT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE DESIRE OF THE CITY TO MAINTAIN A PORTION OF THE ROAD AND UNINCORPORATED COUNTY, SO LONG AS THE ROAD DIDN'T CONNECT AND IT WASN'T.

WE HADN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS PROVIDING CAPACITY TO PALM BAY RESIDENTS.

SO ONE OF THEIR ISSUES IS THAT THEY DID WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE THE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD THAT'S IN THE PALM BAY, BUT THE PART THAT'S IN THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND TO THEM, IF IT TOOK THEM A WHILE TO GET THE COUNTY THERE, THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. IF THEY'RE TELLING THE COUNTY THAT THE PART OVER ROLLING MEADOW, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS CONSISTENT TO THEN SAY THAT THEY WOULD GIVE THE CITY THE PART OF SATORI RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE THAT'S AN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.

SO THEY HAD THEIR RATIONALE. AND CERTAINLY MR. MORTON HAS HIS BASIS FOR WHY WE MAY NOT WANT TO LATER ON, HAVE TO BARGAIN WITH THE COUNTY OVER SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR.

SO WE DO HAVE THOSE COMPETING INTERESTS THAT ARE THERE, AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY VALID POINTS ON BOTH SIDES.

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MUNICIPAL OWNERSHIP OF A ROADWAY. I MEAN, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ONE, THE ROLLING MEADOWS ROADWAY BEING USED.

IT COULD BE CLOSED OFF. IT'S NOT GOING TO SERVE UNTIL THE SATORI PIECE IS CONNECTED. IT GOES NOWHERE. IT SERVES NO ONE, HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE INCURRING SOME LIABILITY BY HAVING A CONSTRUCTED ROAD THAT WE LEAVE YOU KNOW, GATED OFF.

WE SEE THAT, WE SEE THAT FREQUENTLY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE SATORI PIECE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO WEIGH.

BUT MR. SMITH STATED MY CONCERN. EXACTLY. I DON'T WANT TO BARGAIN FOR THE COUNTY.

WE SEEM TO BE CONTINUALLY PUT IN THESE BARGAINING POSITIONS WHERE IF WE WANT TO DO A ROAD EXPANSION, WE'LL ONLY IF YOU ACCEPT ALL THIS OTHER DEDICATION ROAD AND ACCEPT THE MAINTENANCE OR WE WANT TO DO A ROUNDABOUT, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A PERMIT UNLESS YOU DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. I DON'T WANT TO BIND FUTURE COUNCIL FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES TO GOING BACK TO THE COUNTY AND BARGAINING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS, I THINK THE WHOLE REASON WE'VE DONE THIS IS THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, THE CRITICAL NEED OR NEXUS FOR THE CITY TO SAY, WE NEED TO START THIS SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

SO THERE MAY BE ANOTHER WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

AGAIN, MAYBE MUNICIPAL ANNEXATION, MAYBE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AGREEMENT.

BUT ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, SELFISHLY, I'M NOT MARRIED TO IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE LONG TERM THE CITY HAVE OWNERSHIP OF ALL THAT, RIGHT? AS MUCH AS THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS POSSIBLE. SO I'M HEARING YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

AND WE GOT SPEAKER CARDS, SO GO AHEAD. BILL BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

BOY, DOES THIS BRING BACK A WHOLE LOT OF MEMORIES.

SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH. ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD WITH IT.

I'M SEEING THE EXACT SAME NAMES, EVERYTHING THE SAME DILEMMAS THAT WE'RE FACING BETWEEN STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND FEDERAL ALL BEING INVOLVED. AND WE ENDED UP WITH A BIG NIGHTMARE THAT ENDED UP WITH WHAT WAS, I SAID, 9 MILLION, BUT IT WAS CORRECTED. IT'S $12 MILLION THAT CAME OUT OF TAXPAYERS POCKET JUST TO GET A.

QUARTER OF AN ACRE, A MILE OF ROAD PAVED. THAT'S THAT'S ME JUST VENTING A LITTLE BIT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PACKAGE.

RIGHT. IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE, ONE MILE ROAD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

BUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THAT ALL OF IT TIES TOGETHER TO 12 MILES OF THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

WE MAY NEVER SEE ANY OF THAT. SO WHAT? WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT.

WELL, AS I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND I SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL EXTEND A LITTLE BIT AND THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT LITTLE BIT OF THIS BIG PACKAGE. IT JUST DRIVES ME CRAZY. BUT THEN AS I LOOK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THE PACKAGE, I SEE NOT EVEN IN THE IN THE EMINENT DOMAIN PORTION OF IT, THEY HAVE THE ORANGE LINE THAT COMES OVER SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH RUNS PARALLEL TO WILLOWBROOK STREET. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU LOOK OVER HERE ON SANTORI LANE, WHICH REALLY BLEW MY MIND AGAIN, SANTORI LANE.

THEY WANT TO PUT A PROPOSED ROAD THAT GOES FROM FROM WILLOWBROOK, HEADING NORTH ALL THE WAY UP TO SAINT SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY TO SANTORI AVENUE. SANTORI AVENUE TO CROSS OVER THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL.

NUMBER C 38. CROSS OVER THAT WITH A FOUR LANE BRIDGE THAT TIES IN TO THE LOCAL STREET.

JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. TOLEDO, RIGHT. WHICH THEN TIES INTO A PROPOSED EXTENSION BUILDING A NEW ROAD EXTENSION OVER TO CAMBRIA AVENUE. RIGHT. AND GUESS WHAT? CAMBRIA AVENUE WILL THEN TIE ON TO SAN FILIPPO ROAD.

SO HERE'S WHERE I SEE THE REAL DILEMMA WITH THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL.

THE WHOLE BIG SHOOTING MATCH IS WE HAVE COMING IN FROM COMING OUT OF THE ANNEXED LAND, COMING INTO THE CITY FOR THIS GREAT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE DOWN ON THE SOUTH FROM MISERY, MISERY FOR YEARS. WE HAVE SENTARA COMING IN, RIGHT.

THAT'S BREVARD COUNTY'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES.

SANITARY GOING TO BE ROUTING UP ONTO SAN FILIPPO.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE WATER STONE. WE ALSO HAVE EMERALD LAKES AND WE ALSO HAVE LOTUS PALMS. AND WE ALSO HAVE ASHTON PARK AND NONE OF THE PARKWAYS BEING BUILT YET.

BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ONTO SAN FILIPPO AND DEGROOT ROAD.

YES, I'M TICKED PEOPLE. YOU GOT BAD PLANNING.

AND I SAID IT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED ANNEXING THIS PROPERTY, YOU'RE SCREWING UP.

AND YOU DID. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE PART OF THIS COUNCIL NOW.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, SCOTT KNOX.

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I THINK YOUR STAFF DID A FANTASTIC JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT NOT THE COUNTY, BUT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS ROAD SEGMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH LINKS TO THE CURRENT TERMINUS OF THE SAINT JOHN'S RIDGE PARKWAY TO MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY. BUT WHAT HE'S ALSO WHAT THEY ALSO KNOW, WHICH THEY'VE ALSO PUT IN THE AGREEMENT, IS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS INTENDING TO CONSTRUCT ANOTHER PORTION OF THE SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY, BECAUSE IT'S A VESTED ALIGNMENT THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN APPROVED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE BY BY STATUTE.

SO HE WILL BE TAKING NOT ONLY THE THE SEGMENT BETWEEN THE TERMINUS NOW AND HIS PROPERTY.

HE'LL BE TAKING THAT ROAD ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO ABUTTING WILLOWBROOK, AND IT STOPS AT SARTORI.

NOW, THERE WERE FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHERE THE PARKWAY COULD CONTINUE AFTER THAT.

SARTORI WAS ONE OF THEM, BUT NOBODY SAID THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO YET.

THERE'S ALSO A POSSIBILITY IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF MY OTHER CLIENT'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHICH IS A THEY OWN ABOUT, I THINK IT'S SEVERAL THOUSAND ACRES OUT THERE.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE APPROVED FOR 6000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT THAT'S WAY IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THE PARKWAY WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH HIS PROPERTY, NOT NECESSARILY UP SARTORI.

SO NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO YET.

AND EVEN EVEN IF IT DID GO UP. SARTORI, THE WHOLE ISSUE AS TO HOW THE COUNTY COULD LEVERAGE THAT FOR SOME, SOME PURPOSE THAT MR. MORTON IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS RESTRICTED BY THE FACT THAT THE PLANNING THAT TAKES PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ALWAYS REQUIRE, IS SOME KIND OF.

A DEDICATION TO THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT IS HAS CONTROL OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE COUNTY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR DEDICATION ALL THE WAY UP TO TORREY IF THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE CITY AT ALL.

IN FACT, IN FACT, IT HELPS THE CITY IN THE SENSE THAT IF YOU HAVE THE FACILITIES TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE TO THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, YOU CAN REQUIRE THEM TO DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THE TO GET THAT SERVICE, EVEN IF IT'S IN THE COUNTY.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. AND I KNOW THIS CONTRACT HAS BEEN IRONED, IRONED OUT BY YOUR STAFF AND MISS SMITH.

SHE'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB MAKING SURE THIS BODY DOES NOT PAY A PENNY FOR THIS.

AND THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT SEVERAL TIMES. I HAVE A QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR MR. KNOX. YEAH. CAN YOU SPEAK ON THE COMMENT THE PRESIDENT MADE ABOUT THE FOUR LANING OVER THE TILLMAN CANAL AND TO TOLEDO? I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING ANY. THAT WAS THAT WAS FROM A NATURE STUDY DONE BY THE COUNTY OR LIKE CAN CAN SOMEONE SPEAK ON THAT THAT COMMENT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WHAT WAS BEING ASKED THERE.

YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE POTENTIAL ROUTES IN THE ESSER STUDY, BUT NOT I THINK MR. KNOTTS WAS POINTING OUT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PICKED A ROUTE, AT LEAST UP TO THIS POINT.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ROUTES SEEM TO AT LEAST TAKE YOU THROUGH FOUR STAR PROPERTY.

BUT ONCE YOU GET PAST THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

YEAH. AND SO LIKE, NONE OF THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY ANYBODY HERE THIS EVENING.

THAT WAS JUST A STUDY DONE MANY YEARS AGO BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY JUST TO GET CLARITY.

SARTORI AVENUE IS A COUNTY ROAD, THUS WHY THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO BE DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY AND NOT THE CITY.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A COUNTY ROAD AND A DEDICATED CITY RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT TO ME THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, THAT'S A TOUR IS A PRIVATE ROAD.

HAS THAT CHANGED? BUT IT'S IN THE COUNTY. YEAH.

RIGHT. SO WE CAN MUNICIPAL ANNEX. YEAH. YEAH, IT'S IN THE COUNTY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. KNOX. MR. MORTON, YOU HAVE BUZZED IN.

OH, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN. I WAS TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT. MAYBE IT WAS. MAYBE IT'S PAST. THE POINT WAS JUST. I DON'T WANT THE CITY EVER ARGUING.

IF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE IS GOING TO GO IN THE IDENTIFIED ROUTE OR IDENTIFIED ROUTE.

WE CAN DISCUSS WHERE AND WHEN, BUT I DON'T WANT THE IF QUESTION TO REMAIN ON THE TABLE.

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OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YOU GRABBED THE MIC.

WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL. SO. OH, YOU HAVE ONE MORE CARD, MAYOR.

HE HAS A CARD. OKAY. THERE WAS ANOTHER CARD. HE DIDN'T.

EVEN COUNCIL MAYOR. SEMPER FI. DO OR DIE, SIR.

BUT I'M THE GRANDSON OF ANDREW MACHADO, VICE PRESIDENT OF ROLLING MILL RANCH.

AND THIS THIS PROJECT, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH PATRICIA AND MATT MORTON AT LENGTH ON ON THE SARTORI AVENUE PIECE.

AND A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS THE CITY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE PART GOING ACROSS OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO KEEP THAT IN BREVARD.

THAT'S A LONG PIECE OF THE PARKWAY THEY'D BE MAINTAINING. AND THEN IF WE TAKE THAT AND WE DEDICATE TO THE CITY SARTORI AVENUE.

OUR METHODOLOGY OF DEDICATING DEDICATING TO BREVARD BECAUSE IT'S IN BREVARD COUNTY IS KIND OF COUNTERACTED.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN BREVARD TO PROTECT YOU ALL.

AND IT THAT THAT'S OUR STANCE ON IT. AND IT STAYS WITH OUR VESTED RIGHTS.

AND IT PROTECTS YOU AS WELL FROM TAKING ON THE BIG PORTION OF THE PARKWAY, GOING ACROSS OUR PROPERTY.

AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE ACCESS FROM THE NORTH AND ACTUALLY UTILIZE THE PARKWAY, WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR.

AND SO IT WILL PROVIDE TRAFFIC RELIEF OFF OF BABCOCK, AND IT'LL BE GOOD FOR THE CITY.

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND ON DOING THIS THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SPENT BY YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO. OKAY. MR. MORTON, ANY QUESTIONS THERE? NO. THANK YOU. NONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR? IT DOES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WHERE ARE WE? GENTLEMEN? WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE HERE? EVERYBODY BUZZES IN. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MATT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'VE GOT COUNCILMAN HAMER. SO, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DOES THIS PUT US IN A SITUATION LIKE WE'RE LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE PAVING ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF OF WHERE THE PALM BAY LIMIT IS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR THE COUNTY TO MAYBE PAVE WHEN IT'S TIME TO EXPAND.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS IS RIGHT WHERE THE BRIDGE IS.

THAT'S ALL COUNTY. THAT'S NOT WEST MELBOURNE, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING. SO NOW WE'RE PAVING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CITY LINE, AND IT'S GOING BACK DOWN TO TWO LANES. IS THAT GOING TO CREATE THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY, SAY WE DO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF STRATEGIC FUNDING.

SAY WE HAVE AN INVESTOR THAT COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUILD THE WHOLE BUILD THE WHOLE ROAD.

IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY CAN ONLY BUILD ON PALM BAY PROPERTY? THE SECOND PART, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THE FIRST PART, THE ESSENTIAL QUESTION IS THERE'S THE RISK REWARD, RIGHT? IF WE CONTROL THE PROPERTY, WE ALSO TAKE THE RISK OF MAINTENANCE AND OTHER OBLIGATIONS.

IF THE COUNTY CONTROLS PART OF IT, THEY TAKE THE FINANCIAL RISK.

AND OUR RISK IS TO YOUR POINT, WHAT IS THE CONTROL POINTS? OR CAN WE STRIKE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WORKS COOPERATIVELY TOWARDS AN END? I DON'T KNOW THE COUNTY'S LONG TERM DESIRE TO HOLD THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I'M JUST GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENT.

I THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT IT IS OR HOW TO CREATE AN OWNERSHIP STRATEGY, THEN WE'RE JUST ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL HAVE SOME SAY OVER THE ROADWAY. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

YES. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THE DIALOG. AND I'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH MR. MACHADO, AS WELL AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE VERY REASON MR. PATTEN'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT, OF NOT HAVING A REPEAT OF THE PAST, OF MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT FOOTING THE BILL.

AND I INITIALLY SAW THIS AS A SOLUTION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FOOTING THE BILL.

BUT THEN, MR. MORTON, WITH YOU SPEAKING UP OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, I'VE RECALLED TIME AFTER TIME OF THE CITY BEING HAMSTRUNG IN REGARDS TO THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE OR THE ABILITY TO GET THINGS THAT AFFECT OUR CITY DONE BECAUSE OF OUR WORKING RELATIONS WITH THE COUNTY. SO TO THAT POINT, I FIND MYSELF IN A.

I GUESS THAT DISEASE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO GO WITH THIS, BUT YEAH, I JUST JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR COUNCIL PUT THAT OUT FOR CITY MANAGEMENT AND CITY ATTORNEY.

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I DO KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY SPENT HOURS, SPENT WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS ON THIS, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IF CITY MANAGEMENT WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, GENTLEMEN, HAPPY THAT I'VE GOT DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE WANTS TO.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND JUST AND JUST FOR CLARITY, WE WHEN WE MADE THE RESOLUTION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS BEFORE WE GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO INVEST A TON OF TIME AND ENERGY AND WORKING WITH THE LANDOWNER AND THEN FUNDING THE PROCESS THE ENTIRE WAY THROUGH.

WE KNEW THE ROAD WAS GOING TO END, AND WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO END AT THE COUNTY.

WE ALSO, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LANDOWNER, HAD THEM INCLUDE SARTORI AVENUE IN THE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IT COULD POTENTIALLY MAYBE ONE DAY, POSSIBLY MAYBE BE THE ROUTE. IT'S NOT THE GUARANTEED ROUTE, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTED TO CAPTURE THIS AS A POTENTIAL ROUTE.

THE ROUTE COULD ULTIMATELY END UP GOING THROUGH SARTORI PROPERTIES, AND SARTORI AVENUE IS A COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

SO THE WORDS I USE MANY MONTHS AGO WAS HOW DO YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT? ONE BITE AT A TIME? HOW DO YOU EXTEND SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY? TAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY EXIST, ONE BITE AT A TIME.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE FOR SO LONG.

PATRICIA HAS DEVELOPED THE AGREEMENT WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

CITY MANAGER HAS SOME MINOR CONCERNS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE CITY ATTORNEY DOESN'T.

THE CONTRACTS EXECUTED BY THE LANDOWNER CURRENTLY IT JUST NEEDS A MOTION BY US TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.

COPY THAT. THANK YOU. MADAM ATTORNEY. I WILL SAY WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER.

INITIALLY, IT STARTED OFF WITH WHERE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE TORY JUST HAVING AN EASEMENT.

SO WE DID PROGRESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND IT JUST IN DEALING WITH ONE ISSUE AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE ISSUE, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT RECENTLY CAME UP WHERE IS ESSENTIALLY CITY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY IN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY, THESE TWO THINGS KIND OF GO TOGETHER. SO THE CHANGE WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY STORY WAS SOMETHING THAT RECENTLY CAME UP WITHIN OUR LAST DRAFT TO DEAL WITH. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS DO WE WANT TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHAT GOT YOU FROM AN EASEMENT TO RIGHT AWAY.

BUT ULTIMATELY, IN TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T ACTUALLY TAKING ON COSTS, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO SAY WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE CONDEMNATION, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

BUT IF WE END UP HAVING TO PAY FOR TO MAINTAIN A PORTION OF ROAD THAT'S IN AN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY, WE ARE TAKING ON SOME COSTS. SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE CITY WASN'T TAKING ON COSTS.

AND MR. MACHADO MENTIONED THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE LAST PART EVOLVED.

BUT WE HAVE WE'VE HAD MEETINGS BETWEEN ME, THE CITY MANAGER STAFF, BETWEEN MACHADO, WITH, WITH EVEN FOR STAFF, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF MEETINGS IS CERTAINLY THERE ARE PARTS OF THE AGREEMENT THAT I INSISTED UPON THAT MR. MACHADO WOULD HAVE PERHAPS PREFERRED NOT TO. I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCESSIONS THAT HAD TO BE MADE, BUT THE MAIN THING WAS THAT I WAS HERE ON THE PART OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT MR. BATTON TALKS ABOUT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS SAY, WE'RE THOUGHT THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO PAY, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.

AND THERE WASN'T A REPEAT WHERE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A CONTRACT.

THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING ENFORCEABLE WHERE THE CITY DOESN'T GET LEFT HOLDING THE COSTS FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SAY THE DEVELOPER SHOULD BE DOING.

THANK YOU. MISTER MORTON, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. YEAH. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL.

ABSOLUTELY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT CONCERNS.

DOES THAT MAKE IT UNTENABLE OR IMPOSSIBLE? AGAIN, THE THE SHORT TERM REWARD IS WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR MAINTENANCE.

LONGER TERM RISK IS JUST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW KEEP A STRONG WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND STAY IN PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS PROBABLY YEARS OUT FOR THIS SECTION.

BUT FOR THE OBJECTIVE PIECE OF IS A CITY IN MY MIND, PROTECTED FROM THE STRENGTH OF THE AGREEMENT THAT PATRICIA DRAFTED.

ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE LONGER TERM ISSUES. WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE TO TO WORK ON.

I'LL GIVE JUST GIVE A GREAT EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SITUATION HAS CHANGED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PURSUING CSX AS A POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT.

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WE CAN'T GET SUPPORT FROM THE COUNTY. SO HOW DO WE CLEAR THOSE ROADBLOCKS? ULTIMATELY, AND THOSE MAY BE ISSUES THAT WE AGREE TO WORK ON LATER.

AND TO DEPUTY MAYOR'S POINT, ONE BITE AT A TIME.

THE FINANCIAL PIECE IS DONE. THE RIGHT OF WAY STARTS TO GET DEDICATED.

AND CONCEIVABLY CONSTRUCTION OF EITHER PROJECT IS IS, YOU KNOW, YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

AND IT'S NOT OBLIGATING ANYONE TO THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO, SO I THINK, I THINK I THINK, YES, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE AS GOOD AS WE CAN GET AT THIS MOMENT.

WELL, THANK YOU BECAUSE I WAS IN A QUANDARY AS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN ERROR HERE. SO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MADAM ATTORNEY.

OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKER CARDS.

DEPUTY MAYOR, BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION, I NEED A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE CONSIDERATION OF DEVELOPER FUNDING FOR NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

SECOND, A MOTION BY. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO COMMENT? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO OR NEW BUSINESS NUMBER TWO I SHOULD SAY, MADAM SMITH. RESOLUTION IN 2026-12A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR FINDING A NECESSITY AND PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY BY EMINENT DOMAIN.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

CARRY ON MA'AM. THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO INITIATE CONDEMNATION PROCEEDINGS FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WE DID PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY. NOW, IS THAT IS THAT GOING TO BE A COST TO THIS FROM OUR END HERE? OKAY. NO, SIR. WHICH IS ALSO WHY THESE WERE ORDERED THE WAY THEY WERE.

OKAY. ANY SPEAKER CARDS. BILL. BATON.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

DEPUTY MAYOR. I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT. HOW DO WE DO THIS? ONE BITE AT A TIME. AND LIKE I SAID, BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THIS IS ONLY ONE MILE OUT OF THE TEN MILES THAT WE STILL HAVE TO BE BUILT THAT WE WE MIGHT NOT EVER SEE IN OUR LIFE. AND THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THE SAME PROBLEMS VERBATIM OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE DID THE OTHER, OTHER PORTIONS OF IT IN THE SAME IN THE SAME NAMES ARE WHAT KEEP COMING UP.

ALSO. THAT'S WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. THE ONLY NAME THAT I DON'T SEE NOW THAT I DID SEE THEN WAS AT THAT TIME IT WAS MAYOR CAPOTE. SO THAT'S THE ONE DIFFERENCE THAT'S NOT THERE.

SO I YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT A FIGHTING CHANCE THERE.

LET'S TAKE IT ONE BITE AT A TIME AND KEEP GOING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OH MY GOSH. HELP ME! FATHER.

THE NEW CARDS. MAYOR. NO. NO ADDITIONAL CARDS.

YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2026-12 SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MOTION TO APPROVE UNTIL WE FINISH THE MEETING.

I'LL SECOND IT. I'M GOING TO SAY AYE. AYE. AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. I'M GOING TO MIDNIGHT.

YEAH. WELL THAT'S. THAT'S THE LIMIT. THAT'S THE LIMIT.

THAT'S THE LIMIT. MIDNIGHT, BUDDY. IT'S MIDNIGHT.

AS YOU WERE. COUNCILMAN ALL RIGHT, WE'RE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, MADAM SMITH. I'M SORRY, MAYOR, DID YOU VOTE ON THAT MOTION TO EXTEND? OH. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING YEAH, I I I YEAH YEAH I DID.

I'M SORRY. WERE YOU LISTENING? BUT YES, THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T VOTE WAS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

MADAM SMITH, WE'RE ON NEW BUSINESS. ITEM THREE, ORDINANCE 2026-28, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY,

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PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, MADAM SMITH.

YES. THIS AND THE NEXT ITEM ARE RELATED. OF COURSE.

WE HAVE IN OUR CODE THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR GAS WITHIN FLORIDA CITY GAS.

IT IS VERY OLD. WE HAVE A NEW AGREEMENT, AND IN ORDER TO ENACT A NEW AGREEMENT, WE NEED TO, OF COURSE, REPEAL THE OLD ONE. SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.

OKAY. THIS IS WHAT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER DOCTOR ROBINSON SPOKE ON LAST MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY.

YOU HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY. YOU HAD TO LEAVE TONIGHT. OKAY.

SO BETWEEN PATRICIA AND I WILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MADAM SMITH. ORDINANCE 2026-29.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE FIVE LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 54 FRANCHISES.

SUBCHAPTER GAS BY CREATING SECTION 54.20 GRANTED TO FLORIDA CITY GAS COMPANY OF FLORIDA, A NON-EXCLUSIVE NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT, MAINTAIN AND OPERATE GAS LINES, PROVIDING FOR REGULATION OF THE GAS SYSTEM BY THE CITY, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR, NO MAYOR.

I NEED A MOTION SO MOVED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2026.

DASH 29 GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON REPORTS COUNCILMAN LANGMAN.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

FIRST, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE BAYSIDE BEARS JV FOOTBALL TEAM FOR BEATING COCOA BEACH TONIGHT.

27 TO NOTHING. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GO, BEARS. YEP.

AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID IT FIRST BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT.

I WANT TO WISH MY WIFE ANGELINA A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TONIGHT.

ALRIGHT. ANGELINA. YEAH, TODAY'S OUR ANNIVERSARY, AND HE'S GOING TO PAY THE PIPER NOW BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TAKE YOU OUT TONIGHT.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M HERE WITH YOU GUYS, SO I AM YOU'RE NOT A PRIORITY, BUT I AM TAKING ONE FOR YOU.

COPY THAT. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. YES, MA'AM. I'LL BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE WAS VERY.

IT. A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION CAME FROM IT. A LOT OF JUST DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO GOVERN AND WHAT'S GOING DOWN THE PIPELINE. ONE THING THAT WAS REALLY INFLUENTIAL IN REGARDS TO WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS AI DATA DATA CENTERS.

AND CURRENTLY I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES REGARDING AI DATA CENTERS.

SO I WOULD LIKE CONSENSUS TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO IMPLEMENT AND TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE.

BEING THAT WE'RE UPDATING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING AI DATA CENTERS.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. TO SEE HOW WE COULD LIMIT IT OR HOW TO RESTRICT IT, OR I'LL BE CAREFUL WITH THE WORDING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

YES, SIR. THAT'S RIGHT. SO ARE YOU GOOD? I MEAN, I WOULD ALMOST MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WAIT TO SEE WHO THE NEXT GOVERNOR IS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE LEGISLATION COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE THAT WE COULD DIRECT STAFF TO PUT A BUNCH OF WORK IN.

AND THEN HE'S GOT A POINT THERE. THEY LIKE TO TAKE HOME RULE AWAY.

SO YEAH, HE'S GOT A POINT. BUT THEN LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO PUT AN APPLICATION, IF A GENTLEMAN WAS TO PUT AN APPLICATION IN TOMORROW, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT.

BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY MEASURABLES. THEY THEY CAN USE FRESH WATER.

WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN WHERE THEY HAVE TO USE RECLAIMED WATER RECLAMATION.

YEAH. LIKE THERE'S, IT WAS THE, THE CONFERENCE DEPUTY MAYOR.

THE FIRST SPEAKER WAS F P AND L AND I WAS THINKING WHEN WE WERE IN THE WHEN WE WERE IN THE SEGMENT IN REGARDS TO DATA

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AND WITH THAT, I'M LIKE, LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN, WHILE WE HAVE THE BALL IN OUR COURT, WHILE WE ARE IN CONTROL, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. SO I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE FOR NAUGHT.

EVEN WHEN A GOVERNOR'S IN PLACE, IT'S STILL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE HE REALLY GETS THINGS MOVING.

OR WHOEVER THAT IS. I MEAN, THE, A SIMPLE SUGGESTION WOULD BE JUST TO PASS A MORATORIUM UNTIL THE STATE DOES OR DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SENATE BILL 180, WHICH I WAS.

YEAH, I'M I'M NOT INTO MORE. THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL.

I'M DEFINITELY NOT INTO MORATORIUM FOR. YEAH.

IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR EVERYTHING I THOUGHT. YEAH.

SO JUST THAT WAS ONE I KNOW MAYOR SAID YES. WOULD YOU BE I WOULD BE DOWN TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE TWO. WITH THE JLAC AUDIT, ONE THING WE KEEP BRINGING UP FLOCK CAMERAS.

BUT THE JHALAK AUDIT, THE MUNICIPAL PURCHASING THRESHOLD WAS AT 100,000.

THEY RECOMMENDED IT TO 25 OR 40,000. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING I WANT CONSENSUS ON, BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT THAT COUNCIL COULD HAVE GIVEN THEIR WAY IN OR VOTED ON HAD THAT BEEN DONE. SO THAT'S NUMBER TWO. AND THEN NUMBER THREE, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO PRETTY MUCH A TWO PART IMPLEMENT SOME FORM OF AN AI POLICY. HEARING FROM THE CITY MANAGER OF ALTAMONTE SPRINGS, FRANK, I FORGOT HIS LAST NAME.

THEY HAVE AI WORKING WITHIN THEIR CITY. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE POLICIES.

THEY'VE WORKED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE UTILIZED AI.

AND MY MAIN QUESTION TO THEM WAS, HEY, WITH IMPLEMENTING AI, LIKE HOW DID THAT AFFECT STAFF? WAS IT A LOT OF PEOPLE BEING LAID OFF BECAUSE THAT WAS MY CONCERN.

I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE LAID OFF, HE SAID. IT ACTUALLY TURNED OUR ONE FTE TO A 1.5 BECAUSE IT ALLOWED THEM TO OPTIMIZE AND WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE SENT. NOT EVERYBODY, BUT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO.

SO I THINK I WANT CONSENSUS ON THAT AS WELL, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO SWIFT GOV.

THEY ARE. WEIGHING IN SWIFT GOV IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES LIKE AI PERMITTING AND CAN SPEED UP THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

THEY'VE DONE IT FOR ALTAMONTE SPRINGS. THEY'VE DONE IT FOR JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, AS WELL AS A FEW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING, OR AT LEAST GIVEN OUR CITY MANAGER DIRECTION, TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER OF ALTAMONTE SPRINGS TO KIND OF EXPLORE WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND HOW THEY'VE IMPROVED THEIR CITY.

OKAY. MADAM ATTORNEY. AS FAR AS THE AI PERMITTING, PERMITTING, CERTAINLY THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. BUT AS FAR AS JUST A AN AI POLICY LEGAL AND IT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A POLICY, I THINK IT'S NOW BACK AT IT.

SO THERE ARE SOME POLICY, THERE CERTAINLY MAY BE MORE SPECIFIC THINGS WHERE YOU WANT TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THERE IS NO POLICY OR THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING AS FAR AS HOW STAFF CAN USE AI AND PUT ANY CONSTRAINTS OR MAKING SURE THAT IT'S USED APPROPRIATELY TO ENHANCE EFFICIENCY WITHOUT ACTUALLY COMPROMISING ANY INTERESTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DISCUSSION HAPPENING EARLIER WITH THE DISPATCH, IT'S BECOME APPARENT TO ME THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER IN MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.

FAMILY MEMBERS WORKING IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE CITY HAVE A CLEAR NEPOTISM POLICY IN PLACE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE. I'D LIKE TO GET DIRECTION FROM THIS COUNCIL TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO CREATE THAT.

ALSO, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I'VE HEARD OF A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF SEXUAL ACTIVITY HAPPENING BETWEEN EMPLOYEES.

AND I THINK WE NEED A MORE DEFINED PROCEDURE ON, ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THERE'S A LOT OF PROTECTION IN THE UNIONS THAT MAKE IT MAYBE CHALLENGING FOR THESE EMPLOYEES TO BE REPRIMANDED, BUT THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE COSTING THE CITY A TON OF MONEY.

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I'M PRETTY SURE THERE IS A NEPOTISM POLICY. I DO REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A A BLUE COLLAR EMPLOYEE, AT LEAST IN BLUE COLLAR. I WAS I WAS MISGUIDED ON SOME POSITIONS BECAUSE MY FATHER WAS AN EMPLOYEE HERE.

EVEN THOUGH HE WASN'T MY BOSS, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO WORK IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT WITH HIM OR, OR, OR THE SAME IMMEDIATE DEPARTMENT WITH HIM.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE OUT THERE. I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

YOU CAN'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER IF YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL.

BUT YEAH IF I MIGHT. YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO STRENGTHEN OUR NEPOTISM POLICY. THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS. IT'S BEEN A QUESTION I'VE ACTUALLY HAD FOR HR SINCE I GOT HERE.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT ONE FAMILY WHO'S GOT FIVE DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS WORKING ACROSS THE CITY. AND THAT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT FOR A SUPERVISOR TO MANAGE DEPARTMENTS TO MANAGE PERSONNEL CHANGES.

SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN A GOAL OF OURS WITH COUNCIL CONSENSUS.

I'LL DEFINITELY MOVE IT QUICKER, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK JUST WE NEED TO REEVALUATE IT AND MAKE SURE IT IS WORKING STILL IN 2026 AND THAT WE PUT LIMITS ON THE AMOUNT OF RELATIVES OR WHAT WE DO AFTER A NEPOTISM SITUATION IS CREATED, RIGHT? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO MEET, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE THEY GET MARRIED AND WHAT DO WE DO AND HOW DO THOSE RELATIONSHIPS INTERACT? AND WHAT ARE WE TELLING OUR EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY COME? AND I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE DEFINITELY IN SQUARELY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M GOOD WITH IT. I'M GOOD WITH ALL OF IT.

I'M NOT SURE I'M THERE. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

EVEN WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVING ON A CONTINUAL BASIS AND I THINK YOU JUST NAILED IT.

IF YOU, IF YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH SOMEONE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DEPARTMENT YOU'RE IN, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, THEN NOW WE WANT TO REGULATE A FAMILY THAT MAY HAVE A SON THAT IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL AND PREVENT HIM FROM BEING A FIREFIGHTER. I'M NOT SURE I'M THERE NOW.

THE SEXUAL CONNOTATIONS OF IF YOU WANT TO REGULATE, LOOK, IN THE MILITARY, THERE'S IT'S IT'S CALLED FRATERNIZATION.

PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN ARTICLE 15 OVER IT REGARDING THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE.

IF YOU'RE HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH A SUBORDINATE, IF YOU'RE A NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER AND YOU'RE HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH A SUBORDINATE, THAT THAT IS PUNISHABLE UNDER THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE.

AND I GET THAT. BUT WE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILY MEMBERS AND JUST BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR OTHER CHILDREN MAY BE EMPLOYED OR IF YOU HAVE THE SAME LAST NAME, I'M NOT SURE I'M THERE, GENTLEMEN. WE'RE WE'RE OVERREGULATING. IF THERE IS A NEPOTISM POLICY AT LEAST LET'S LOOK AT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND, AND HOW IS IT NOT GOOD ENOUGH? THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. HOW IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH? BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, GENTLEMEN. SO I'M GOING TO SAY AGAIN.

WE HAVE THE HR DIRECTOR HERE. SHE WANTS TO CHIME IN AND TELL US WHAT IT IS.

DO YOU KNOW? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP, MA'AM, AND TELL US WHAT? IS THERE A NEPOTISM POLICY? GOOD EVENING. YES, WE DO INDEED HAVE A NEPOTISM POLICY.

IT WAS UPDATED TO BE A LITTLE MORE DESCRIPTIVE LAST TIME WE DID UPDATES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

IT DOES INVOLVE NOT ALLOWING FAMILY MEMBERS TO BE WITHIN THE SAME DIVISION, UNDER THE SAME SUPERVISION IN A DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A SEPARATE POLICY REGARDING COUNCIL AS WELL REGARDING WHO.

COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL. OH YEAH. I KNOW WE COULDN'T WORK FOR THE CITY FOR TWO YEARS ONCE WE ARE DETERMINED, RIGHT? YEAH. NO, I REMEMBER THAT. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SURE. I THINK I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE.

BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, MR. MORTON SAID THERE WERE THINGS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO TO STRENGTHEN THAT IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO WHAT HIS SUGGESTIONS MAY BE AS OUR CITY

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SO HE IF HE WANTS TO MAKE IT BETTER, THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

BUT TO, TO BLANKETLY TALK ABOUT NEPOTISM AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AND AND HEIGHTEN IT.

I'M NOT SURE I'LL BE GOOD WITH THAT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT I SEE THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

BUT I'M, I, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO, TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE AFFECTING JUST A FEW FOLKS.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN DOES. I MEAN, WE STILL GOT 26 MINUTES.

YEAH, WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME. WE'RE GOOD. THAT DOES FOR FOR SOMETHING AS AS MINUTIA, AS A STRENGTHENING A POLICY LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, DO WE EVEN NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? I FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST THE CITY MANAGER'S, YOU KNOW, PURVIEW. THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S PURVIEW. I AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT'S GOOD. I'LL TAKE THAT COMMENT. DEPUTY MAYOR, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT, SIR? ALL RIGHT. MY REPORT IS TODAY WE HONOR THE GREAT MAN THAT SERVED FOR OUR CITY.

HIS NAME WAS SERGEANT FRANCISCO TOVAR. WE WE HONORED HIS MEMORY FIVE YEARS AGO.

WE WE LOST HIM. HE WAS A LINE OF DUTY DEATH. AND HIS NAME IS THAT SACRIFICE PARK.

I'M HONORED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD THAT THAT SACRIFICE PARK TO HAVE HIS PLAQUE ON THERE.

IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. I THINK CHIEF SPEARS DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB LEADING US THERE.

AND IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY REFRESHING TO SEE EVERYONE COME OUT AND HONOR HIS LEGACY, HIS SERVICE, HOW HE WAS. HE STARTED WITH PUBLIC WORKS, GAVE SO MUCH TO THE CITY.

AND HE LITERALLY IS A LINE OF DUTY DEATH. SO IT IS RIGHT, NOBLE THAT WE ALWAYS REMEMBER THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE US, AND THEY ARE PART OF PALM BAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, MR.

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS:]

ACTUALLY YOU'RE CORRECT, MR. MORTON. I MENTIONED THE $100,000 THRESHOLD AND I DON'T THINK I HEARD ANYTHING EITHER.

NO, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY. OKAY. SO THEY'RE OKAY.

I THINK THE DATA CENTERS WAS MORE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING IN PLACE BECAUSE I, I AGREED WITH DEPUTY MAYOR WHERE THERE MAY BE SOMETHING COMING DOWN ANYWAY.

AND SO WHY WHY PUT THE EFFORT INTO SOMETHING.

THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ON. SO. SO YEAH, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW.

I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW THAT BECAUSE I THINK I LEAN MORE TOWARDS DEPUTY MAYOR.

LET'S WAIT TO SEE. SO IS THERE A CONSENSUS WITH WITH LANGEVIN AND HAMMER STILL TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE? OKAY. SO SO, COUNCILMAN LANDERMAN, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.

OKAY. SO THAT OPTIONS WITH DATA CENTERS IS WHAT WITHIN THE LDC STANDALONE POLICY WITHIN THE LDC.

YES. OKAY. SO SO WE'LL TAKE IT TO PNC AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THAT IS IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. OKAY. SO, MADAM SMITH.

DEPUTY MAYOR. SPEAKERS. SPEAKER CARDS. ANYONE ELSE? I SEE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. THIS MEANS ADJOURN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.