[00:00:01] THE TIME IS NOW 6:00. I WILL CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING. [CALL TO ORDER] 2026-08 OF THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD. TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAY WE HAVE ROLL CALL. DOUGLAS. HOOKE. PRESENT. EILEEN. SEP. PRESENT. REBECCA. ZIEGLER. PRESENT. MARVIN. TEDDER. ANTHONY. ABBOTT. KRISTIN. JONES. PRESENT. WE HAVE QUORUM. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE ADOPTION OF MINUTES. [Additional Item 1] I WANTED TO SEE IF WE HAD ANY AGENDA REVISIONS FOR TONIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE? WELL, NUMBER ONE IS IN HERE. SO UNDER NEW BUSINESS. SO THAT HAS TO BE MOVED OR STRICKEN. DID YOU WANT TO BRING YOUR PRESENTATION UP TO THE FRONT? I THINK SINCE MISS COMBS IS HERE. I'M SORRY. SINCE MISS COMBS IS HERE, WE'LL LET HER DO IT, AND THEN SHE CAN GO HOME AFTER A LONG DAY OF HARD WORK. OKAY. OKAY. SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE. SO MOVED. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE WILL MOVE ON AT THIS TIME TO ADOPTION OF MINUTES. [ADOPTION OF MINUTES] WE WILL NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE TONIGHT. WE HAVE OUR FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE OUR REGULAR MEETING 2026-03 FOR MARCH. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO ACCEPT. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ADOPTION OF MINUTES NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS REGULAR MEETING 2026-04 FOR APRIL. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE. APPROVE THE APRIL MINUTES. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE THIRD SET OF MINUTES, WHICH IS REGULAR MEETING 2026-05 FOR MAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. MAY 20TH SEVEN MINUTES. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ONE, WHICH IS REGULAR MEETING 2026-06 FOR JUNE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I I. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WILL MOVE US ON TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION FOR TONIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO INCREDIBLY MUCH FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER TWO WHICH HAS BEEN MOVED UP TO NUMBER ONE. [NEW BUSINESS] AND THAT IS HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS. THIS IS SUCH A LARGE CROWD. WE'RE VERY POPULAR. WELL, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. IS THIS THE CLICKER? OKAY, COOL. IT'S ALL SET UP. EXCELLENT. LET'S HOPE I DON'T GO BACKWARDS. SO I WAS ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THE HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS PLAN FOR PALM BAY. MY NAME IS MORGAN. I'M THE BRAND NEW EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR PALM BAY. AND I FALL UNDER THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, ALTHOUGH I WORK FOR EVERYONE. AND WHAT'S, I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THAT EVERY DISASTER STARTS LOCALLY. SO IT STARTS IN YOUR HOME. IT STARTS IN OUR CITY, AND THEN IT BRANCHES OUT FROM THERE. SO I WANTED TO GO OVER THE BASIC GIST FIRST OF HOW EMERGENCY RESPONSE KIND OF GOES, BECAUSE THEN IT'S GOING TO MAKE MORE SENSE IN THE END. [00:05:02] WE KIND OF IT'S THIS WHOLE CYCLE. SO MITIGATION, PREPAREDNESS, RESPONSE, RECOVERY PREVENTION, AND THEN BACK TO MITIGATION. AND MITIGATION FALLS A LOT WITH SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY EVEN HAPPEN. AND THEN PREPARING AS FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LESS OF A DISASTER. THE REST ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. THEY'RE EXACTLY WHAT THE WORDS MEAN. A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY FROM PALM BAY, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I COULD FIND. WE'VE GOT HURRICANE IRMA IN 2017, HURRICANE MATTHEW IN 2016, AND FRANCES IN 2004. THESE ARE NOT EYEWALL HITS DIRECTLY TO PALM BAY, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT THE THINGS THAT COME AFTER THE HURRICANE, THINGS THAT COME WITH IT, FLOODING, WIND, RAIN, ALL OF THAT AWESOME STUFF. PROLONGED POWER OUTAGES, THINGS NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH. BUT IT'S MY JOB TO DEAL WITH. SO FOR THE CITY, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE PLAN GOING INTO PLACE AND IT'S KIND OF TAKING WE'RE STARTING IT HALFWAY THROUGH HURRICANE SEASON THIS YEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO START IT OFFICIALLY NEXT YEAR, 60 DAYS PRIOR TO HURRICANE SEASON. SO 60 DAYS PRIOR, EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE A CHECKLIST THAT'S GOING TO SAY, HERE'S YOUR PRE-HURRICANE ACTIVITIES. PLEASE CHECK THESE OFF AND HAND THEM BACK TO ME TO SAY, YOUR DEPARTMENT IS READY FOR HURRICANE SEASON COME JUNE 1ST IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PUSH OUT TO THE CITIZENS SAYING, HEY, HERE'S YOUR PRE HURRICANE CHECKLIST. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU ALSO GET TO PREPARE FOR HURRICANE SEASON BECAUSE IF THEY'RE PREPARED AND WE'RE PREPARED, IT'S GOING TO MAKE RECOVERY A LOT EASIER. HURRICANE SEASON STARTS. WE HOPE AND PRAY NOTHING HAPPENS, BUT SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN. THERE'S A HURRICANE ON THE HORIZON. THERE'S ALWAYS BLIPS OUT IN THE ATLANTIC. SOMETIMES THEY COME A LOT CLOSER. SO ONCE THAT COMES CLOSER, WE'RE GOING TO START PREPARING. WE LET ALL THE DEPARTMENTS KNOW AS SOON AS ALL THE MODELS KIND OF CONVERGE, AND WE KNOW THAT FLORIDA MIGHT SEE SOMETHING, THEN WE KNOW FLORIDA ACTUALLY IS GOING TO SEE SOMETHING. AND SPECIFICALLY PALM BAY IS GOING TO SEE SOMETHING. SO WE'LL ACTIVATE ALL OF OUR HURRICANE PLANS. WE JUST HAD A REALLY COOL EXERCISE ON MONDAY THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WERE SUPER SURPRISED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TELL THEM THEY WERE HAPPENING. TO SEE WHERE WE STOOD. AND WE ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD FROM A HURRICANE STANDPOINT. SO ONCE THE HURRICANE COMES THROUGH, WE EXERCISE EVERYTHING TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT. WE THEN GO INTO RECOVERY. AND THAT'S A LOT OF THE RECOVERY OF FUNDS, THE RECOVERY OF TRYING TO BUILD ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN DAMAGED DURING THE STORM, HELPING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DISPLACED, ALL OF THOSE. SO FOR PRE-HURRICANE SEASON. WE'VE GOT DEPARTMENT CHECKLISTS, AND THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE UPDATING CONTACT INFORMATION. YOU CAN DO THAT AT HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY. YOU CAN DO THAT HERE WITH OUR FAMILY, YOU CAN COORDINATE WHO WILL DO WHAT BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER THE STORM. SO WHETHER THAT'S AT HOME, TAKING CARE OF THE DOGS, WHO'S GOING TO THE SHELTER, WHO'S STAYING BACK, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO. AND HERE, WHO IS COVERING THE DESKTOP COMPUTERS, WHO'S COMING TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER? AND A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF PRE-HURRICANE SEASON IS LOOKING FOR ANY EXISTING DAMAGE BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY GET REIMBURSED FOR NEW DAMAGE. SO LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR CITY BUILDINGS AND MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT COULD BECOME A PROBLEM IN A HURRICANE IS PRE DEALT WITH, WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS BEFORE A STORM COMES AND THEN EVERYONE GETS TO MEET WITH ME. IT'S SUPER EXCITING. AND THEN FINALLY WE DO SOME EXERCISES TO SEE IF ALL THIS PREPARATION REALLY PAYS OFF DURING THE SEASON. WE TRACK THE STORMS, SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT BE CONCERNED ABOUT, I LET THE CITY CITY OFFICIALS KNOW. THEY LET THE PUBLIC KNOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS FOR ME TO GIVE THE GIVE ME THE FACEBOOK ACCOUNT INFORMATION. YOU GUYS WOULD GET STUFF EVERY DAY. WE ALSO DO REFRESHER TRAININGS ON ALL OF OUR TECHNOLOGY. AND WE WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE DURING THE HURRICANE SEASON THAT LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SOMETHING OUT THERE DOESN'T MEAN SOMETHING CAN'T COME UP. THINGS YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET TWO WEEKS NOTICE. AND FINALLY HURRICANES, WE ACTIVATE THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. THAT IS THE CURRENT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER FOR THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE IN THE IT BUILDING. SO BUILDING E SUPER EXCITED BECAUSE IT'S A BRAND NEW BUILDING. WE GET TO TEST IT OUT. AND THEN WE ALSO SEND PEOPLE FROM HERE UP TO THE BREVARD COUNTY EOC SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A POINT FROM HERE TO THERE TO GET WHAT WE NEED AS PALM BAY. WE HAVE 160,000 ISH PEOPLE, SO WE PROBABLY NEED A LOT. WE'LL ALSO PUSH OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF MESSAGING FOR DEPARTMENT WATCH WARNING, LANDFALL, ALL THAT FUN STUFF. EVERYONE GETS A CHECKLIST BECAUSE CHECKLIST, I FEEL ARE THE EASIEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE DONE AFTER THE AFTER THE HURRICANE, [00:10:07] WE DO DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS. SO THOSE ARE MAINLY WINDSHIELD ASSESSMENTS. WE DRIVE BY, WE LOOK AND MAKE SURE YOUR HOUSE IS HABITABLE, OR ANY BUILDING OWNED BY THE CITY IS HABITABLE. IF IT IS NOT, WE MAKE A NOTE. IF IT IS, WE MAKE A NOTE OF THAT TOO. LOTS OF PAPERWORK. AND WE ALSO WANT TO CHECK ON THE CITIZENS BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE ARE ALSO THERE FOR THEM, AND THEN WE REBUILD AND DO THIS WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. SO IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. SUSTAINABILITY AND MITIGATION GO HAND IN HAND. SO MORE RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE MEANS WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET LESS DAMAGE FROM BIGGER STORMS. THAT MEANS PUTTING LESS MONEY INTO BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE AND REDOING THINGS THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO REDO. THAT COULD ALSO MEAN HELPING OUR PARKS. I KNOW IN HOBOKEN, NEW JERSEY, THEY ACTUALLY THIS IS A TOTAL SIDEBAR. THEY HAVE THIS REALLY COOL THING THAT THEY DID FOR THEIR MITIGATION, AND THEY PUT A WHOLE LIKE CULVERT UNDER THE ONE OF THEIR PARKS. AND SO IT CAN HOLD UP TO A MILLION GALLONS OF RUNAWAY FLOODWATER. AND SO THAT HELPS THEIR LIKE STREETS NOT FLOOD, BUT ALSO IT HAS GREEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY. AND THE EXTRA GREEN SPACE ACTUALLY BRINGS THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CITY DOWN TWO DEGREES, WHICH IS SUPER COOL. YOU SHOULD GOOGLE IT. BUT FOR YOUR HOUSE'S SUSTAINABILITY ALSO MEANS MAKE SURE ANYTHING THAT COULD FLY AWAY IS EITHER SUPER STRAPPED DOWN WITH GIANT LIKE NAILS, OR YOU HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT INSIDE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THAT FLYING THROUGH YOUR WINDOWS. YOU DON'T WANT TREES FLYING THROUGH YOUR WINDOWS. SO JUST LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND MAKE SURE THAT LIKE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OKAY IF GIANT WINDS COME, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY COME OUT OF NOWHERE AND THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. YES. IN THE EVENT OF EVACUATION, DOES THE CITY HAVE AN IDEA HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE JUST TO GET EVERYBODY? IF I KNOW, NOBODY EVER GETS EVERYBODY OUT. BUT, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? THE TIMELINE. AND SO BREVARD COUNTY HAS AN ESTIMATION FOR PALM BAY OF ROUGHLY 48 HOURS. WOULD BE THE QUICKEST WE COULD EVACUATE IN A HURRICANE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED. SO MY GOAL I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FIVE WEEKS. PREFACE THAT. MY GOAL EVENTUALLY IS TO DO AN EVACUATION STUDY. I'M FROM COLORADO AND WE DID ONE FOR THE WILDFIRES WHERE WE DID, WE TOOK CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE SAID, HEY, YOU HAVE 30 MINUTES. WE KNOW LIKE AHEAD OF TIME, YOU HAVE TO EVACUATE. AND WE TIMED IT. AND THEN YOU COULD EXPAND IT OVER THE WHOLE AREA AND SAY, OKAY, AVERAGING WITH ALL OF OUR ROADWAYS, TAKING OUT CERTAIN ROADWAYS, THIS IS HOW MUCH TIME IT WOULD TAKE US. SO THAT'S THE GOAL. BUT LIKE IN THE FUTURE, BUT 48 HOURS, ACCORDING TO BREVARD COUNTY IS THE FASTEST WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU ACCOMMODATE IN BUILDING E IF THEY HAVE TO EVACUATE IN? SO BUILDING E IS NOT A SHELTER. IT'S AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. OH, SO THAT'S WHERE, LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF WOULD BE. WHERE I WOULD BE, WHERE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE CENTRAL COMMAND. SO THAT'S WHERE ALL RESOURCE REQUESTS FOR THE HURRICANE WOULD COME OUT. THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, FIRE WISE SPEAKING, I THINK THE MAX CAPACITY FOR THAT ROOM IS 60 PEOPLE. SO WE COULDN'T HOLD ANY MORE THAN THAT, BUT THERE ARE SHELTERS. THERE ARE THREE BREVARD COUNTY SHELTERS IN PALM BAY BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF OUR SHELTERING, AND THEY CAN HOLD ROUGHLY 75% OF THE PALM BAY POPULATION. REALLY? WELL. HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE COUNTY? I HAVE, YEAH. I ASKED THEM, I SAID, HOW MUCH SPACE DOES PALM BAY GET? AND THEY SAID NONE. SO PALM BAY HAS ONE SEAT FOR PUBLIC WORKS. AND WE HAVE TWO SEATS FOR, LIAISONS, BUT NOTHING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DISPLACED. NOT AT THE AT THEIR EOC. YEAH, BUT THEY ALSO DON'T HOLD ANYBODY ELSE FROM BREVARD COUNTY AT THEIR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. WELL, THEY DID HAVE THEY HAVE BEDS THEY DO THERE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THE EMERGENCY. OH, BECAUSE THEY TELL ME THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR POPULATION WHEN THEY OPENED IT UP. BUT WHAT ABOUT USING LIKE TONY ROSAS GYMNASIUM OR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE WHO, IF THEY'RE [00:15:09] FLOODED OUT, THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. SO I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN THE IN THE CITY. I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE. THERE'S PORT MALABAR, THERE'S THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THEY ARE USED AS FOR HOUSING PEOPLE AND THEN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND THEN THERE'S ONE OTHER ONE THAT IS ESCAPING MY BRAIN. WHAT IS IT DESIGNATED FOR? SPECIAL NEEDS? TED WHITLOCK YES, IT IS UP TO THE CAMERA, YOU CAN TELL. YEAH, BUT IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY SHELTERS, IF YOU'D LIKE THAT. YEAH. THEY ARE COUNTY SHELTERS. YES. THERE IS THE ORPHAN CHILD OF BREVARD COUNTY. WELL, SO SO AND I'M WORKING ON THAT. YES, BECAUSE I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE BREVARD COUNTY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER FROM MY PREVIOUS JOB BECAUSE I WAS IN THE PANHANDLE DOING ALL OF THEIR HAZARD PLANNING. SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT. IT'S A SLOW PROCESS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT TO BE A SHELTER, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUALIFICATIONS AND IT TAKES A REALLY LONG TIME TO GET A BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY BUILT, PROVEN THAT IT CAN WITHSTAND THE PEOPLE, THE EXTRA INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO STAFF IT. AND CURRENTLY IN BREVARD COUNTY, SHELTERS CAN ONLY BE STAFFED BY BREVARD COUNTY STAFF. SO ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT HICCUP, CAN YOU RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS WHO'D BE READY FOR THAT? YES, THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF VOLUNTEERS. I CAN SEND IT TO ERIC AND HE CAN SEND IT OUT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WHERE WE DO THE FIREWORKS, THAT WOULDN'T BE A SUITABLE LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT HURRICANE READY. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? SO IT COULD BE A BACK. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. IT COULD BE A FLOODPLAIN ISSUE. BECAUSE A LOT OF PALM BAY, ALTHOUGH IT IS, MOST OF IT IS ELEVATED. THERE ARE SOME PLACES IN PALM BAY THAT WERE BUILT JUST WHERE THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN. AND THEY GENERALLY DON'T PLACE SHELTERS IN A FLOODPLAIN, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE 1000 PEOPLE IN A SHELTER AND THEN IT GETS FLOODED OUT, THAT CREATES A MASSIVE EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE TO CALL IN A LOT OF HELP FOR. BUT I WILL LOOK AT THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. ARE THERE PLACES FOR VEHICLES? LIKE MOST LIKELY IT WOULD BE PEOPLE FROM MELBOURNE BEACH COMING THIS WAY, ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH BEACHES. OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD DRIVE, IS THERE SUFFICIENT PARKING OR THEY CAN HANG OUT IN THEIR CAR IN AN ELEVATED PARKING LOT. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW OF ANY ELEVATED PARKING LOTS IN PALM BAY. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING IT AT LAND THAT OH, IT ISN'T IN A FLOODPLAIN. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT NOBODY HANGS OUT IN THEIR CAR DURING A HURRICANE. BUT I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE SHELTERS DO HAVE PARKING. I DON'T KNOW HOW SUBSTANTIAL THAT IS. LAST, THE LAST HURRICANE THAT THEY HAD TO OPEN THE SHELTERS FOR. THE BIG ISSUE WAS THAT ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SHELTERS IN ASSIGNED AREAS. PEOPLE WERE COMING OVER AND NOT GOING TO THE SHELTERS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TO BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR NEAREST SHELTER. SO I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON A FIX FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FIX. BESIDES JUST TELLING PEOPLE AT THE DOOR, PLEASE GO TO A DIFFERENT SHELTER, WHICH WOULD NOT GO OVER WELL. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WITH THE LOCAL HOTELS TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN EMERGENCY IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY? I KNOW THAT THE HOTELS, AS LONG AS THEY ARE CERTIFIED AS HURRICANE READY. NOTHING IS HURRICANE PROOF. THEY CAN GO TO A DECREASED COST OR A NO COST. BUT GENERALLY HOTELS ARE USED FOR EXTENDED STAYS. SO AFTER A HURRICANE, IF PEOPLE ARE DISPLACED, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T HAVE THEM STAY IN THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE WANT SCHOOL TO GET BACK IN SESSION. SO I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES, AND INCLUDING IN OUR CITY PLAN, WE DO HAVE LIKE WHERE THE HOTELS WILL PUT PEOPLE UP AND WE WILL GET REIMBURSED BY FEMA FOR, I THINK IT'S UP TO 90 DAYS. SO THE CITY PICKS UP THE COST FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE OFFICIAL ANSWER TO THAT. I KNOW THAT GENERALLY THE HOTEL WILL CHARGE THEM AND THEN THEY CAN GET REIMBURSED THROUGH FEMA. AND DO WE CHECK THEIR IDS TO MAKE SURE THAT PALM BAYERS BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE. I KNOW THAT ALL IDS ARE SUPPOSED TO GET CHECKED AT WHEN YOU GO INTO A SHELTER. OKAY. SO WE TURN THEM AWAY IF THEY'RE NOT FROM PALM BAY. IS THAT THE DEAL? NOPE. I JUST KNOW THAT THEY GET THEIR IDS CHECKED. [00:20:03] I'M JOKING. OH, I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS, THOUGH. I NOW HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO INVESTIGATE. OKAY. AND ANIMALS IS A BIG ONE. ALMOST EVERYBODY I KNOW HAS AT LEAST ONE PET. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SHELTERS THAT TAKE ANIMALS. WE DO NOT. MOST OF OUR PET FRIENDLY SHELTERS ARE ALSO THE SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTERS, AND THEY TAKE THE SPECIAL NEEDS ANIMALS FIRST AND THEN HOUSEHOLD PETS IF THERE IS SPACE. THAT IS GENERALLY DETERMINED AFTER THE EVACUATION ORDER HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE. THE UNFORTUNATE MESSAGE THAT NORMALLY HAS TO GET PUSHED OUT IS YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHETHER YOU STAY OR GO AND WHETHER YOUR PETS STAY OR GO. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE YOUR PETS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. IF YOU WANT TO EVACUATE WITH THEM. AND THAT ONE IS LIKE, BY FAR THE HARDEST MESSAGE THAT ANYBODY EVER HAS TO PUSH BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE MY DOG, BUT I ALSO CAN'T TAKE HER TO BUILDING E. I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS YOU MUST FACE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE RELUCTANT TO EVACUATE UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. AND I KNOW IN THE PAST PEOPLE HAVE EVACUATED UNINTENTIONALLY INTO THE STORM TRACK BECAUSE THE STORM TRACK CHANGES AND THEN THEY'RE STUCK IN THE PATH OF THE STORM. YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S IT'S TOO LATE. SO I KNOW MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS, I KNOW WE'RE JUST SITTING IT OUT. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FLORIDA HAVE DECIDED TO JUST SIT IT OUT BECAUSE THE STORM TRACK COULD CHANGE AND IT COULD NOT HIT US. OR IT COULD BE A DIRECT HIT. JUST BEING IN THE POSITION, THE JOB THAT I AM. I ALWAYS SAY PLAY IT SAFE AND SORRY. I WOULD MUCH I'VE EVACUATED ONCE UP IN BAY COUNTY. AND THE TRACK CHANGED AT THE LAST MINUTE. IT WAS A SUNNY AND 75 DEGREE DAY, THE DAY WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A DIRECT HIT. AND I WAS SAD THAT I HAD MADE MY PLANS. BUT ALSO I WAS GLAD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET A DIRECT HIT. AND THEN I GOT A NIGHT AWAY AT A HOTEL. I HAD TO TRY TO PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON IT. BUT YEAH, WEATHER IS A TRICKY THING BECAUSE YOU PREDICT IT AND THEN IT GOES UNPREDICTABLE. AS WITH EVERY STORM, BUT I THE MESSAGE THAT WE TRY TO PUT OUT AND THAT THE CITY WILL TRY TO PUT OUT IS PLEASE KEEP YOURSELF SAFE, EVEN IF THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, EVACUATING WITH THE EARLIER NOTICE. AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T COME, YOU GET TO COME BACK EARLY. AND THAT'S AWESOME. I THINK PALM BAY WAS HAS BEEN REALLY LUCKY RECENTLY. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS LAST YEAR, BUT THERE WAS A STORM THAT TRACKED THROUGH AND IT SPUN OFF A BUNCH OF TORNADOES AND THEY WERE SOUTH AND WEST AND NORTH OF US. AND EAST, OF COURSE, IS THE OCEAN, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO ANY DAMAGE IN PALM BAY. THAT'S AWESOME. AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT TRACKS THE EXACT SAME. I KNOW WITH EL NINO. WE ARE EXPECTING A LOT OF SEVERE WEATHER THIS WINTER, ESPECIALLY NOT NECESSARILY WITH HURRICANES, BECAUSE THEY TRY TO. MOTHER NATURE TRIES TO BALANCE HERSELF OUT AS THE GUY ON THE. WHO GAVE THE WEATHER CHANNEL BRIEFING AT THE LAST REGIONAL MEETING FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS SAID. BUT RIGHT NOW ALL THE HURRICANES ARE IN THE PACIFIC. WE'RE OVER HERE IN THE ATLANTIC, SO WE'RE DOING GOOD. BUT WITH EL NINO, WE DEFINITELY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE SOME MORE STORMS THIS WINTER. AND I'M HOPING THAT THE WIND STAYS AWAY. OKAY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. OKAY. WITH THE SAND DISTRIBUTION, DO WE HAVE TO BRING OUR OWN BAGS? NO, BECAUSE I GOT THERE LATE AND THEY RAN OUT OF BAGS, AND I HAD TO GO HOME DEPOT AND TRY TO GET SOME. I DON'T ERIC KNOWS THE EXACT NUMBER OF SANDBAGS WE HAVE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON OUR SANDBAG POLICY, SO. OKAY. HOPEFULLY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. OKAY. I WANTED TO ASK A QUICK FOLLOW UP AS ONE OF THOSE LONG TIME FLORIDIANS WHO JUST DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING SERIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO A HURRICANE. I, I WILL GLADLY ADMIT TO THAT. I HAVE SAT OUT F FIVE HURRICANES THAT HAVE BEEN HEADED STRAIGHT TOWARDS US. I BOARD UP MY HOUSE AND DO ALL THE CORRECT PREPARATIONS, BUT I RIDE THEM OUT. COULD YOU SPEAK TO, FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHAT THE CITY'S RESPONSE WOULD BE IN THOSE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO SOUTH AND SOMETHING WERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO RIDE IT OUT AND OH, THE BAD THING HAPPENS. IF THERE'S AN EVACUATION NOTICE, YOU SHOULD EVACUATE IF IT IS A A MANDATORY EVACUATION NOTICE, [00:25:03] IF YOU DO NOT EVACUATE. I CANNOT SAY WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL SAY OR THE MAYOR WILL SAY ON THE DAY OF. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS LIFE. SAFETY COMES FIRST, BUT WE CAN ONLY OPERATE IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MILE PER HOUR WINDS. SO ONCE IT GETS ABOVE TROPICAL STORM UP INTO HURRICANE FORCE WINDS, YOU ARE GOING TO BE WHERE YOU ARE UNTIL THOSE WINDS GO DOWN. AND IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A ROOF. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR'S GOING TO SAY BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE A SCRIPT. THANK YOU. I DID WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'VE RIDDEN QUITE A FEW OUT, BUT I WRITE THEM OUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I AM ENTIRELY ON MY OWN. PERFECT. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NEW TO PALM BAY AND FLORIDA IN GENERAL, HAVE NEVER BEEN THROUGH HURRICANES OR HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH A MAJOR HURRICANE. SO THEY MAY THINK SOMEBODY IS COMING ON THE WAY AND THE CAVALRY IS COMING. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF YOU DO MAKE THAT DECISION, ESPECIALLY IN A MANDATORY EVACUATION, YOU ARE ENTIRELY ON YOUR OWN FOR THE MOST PART, AND AT LEAST FROM OUR EXERCISE ON MONDAY, I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE MADE VERY CLEAR IN THE MESSAGING WHEN, WHEN AND IF WE HAVE A MANDATORY EVACUATION, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, YOU GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST. WILL YOU BE USING LIKE THE AMBER ALERT SYSTEM TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? BREVARD COUNTY IS IN CHARGE OF THAT ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HURRICANES. SO WE THEY PRETTY MUCH TELL US HEY, WE'RE SENDING THIS OUT AND THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF ALL THE EVACUATION NOTICES. SO WE HAVE THE FLOOD MAPS THERE ON OUR WEBSITE. AND WE'RE REVAMPING THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WEBSITE FOR PALM BAY SO THAT HOPEFULLY IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO FIND INFORMATION. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE THAN BREVARD COUNTY AND THEN BACK TO OUR WEBSITE. BUT THEY ARE PUSHING IT ALL OUT. SO IT'S THE EVERBRIDGE SYSTEM. AND AS LONG AS YOU ARE SIGNED UP FOR THAT, IT'LL GO THROUGH. BUT THEY ALSO DO REVERSE 911 FOR MANDATORY EVACUATIONS. SO ANY PHONE THAT IS IN A CERTAIN RADIUS WILL GET A REVERSE 911 WHEN IT'S A MANDATORY EVACUATION. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE AMBER ALERT ONE. KIND OF I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO SIGN UP FOR IT. IT'S SO THE, THE BREVARD COUNTY ONE, IT GOES A LOT WIDER. IT'S NOT JUST AMBER ALERTS THAT ONE IS MAINLY WILDFIRES, EVACUATIONS, FLOODS MAJOR ROADWAYS CLOSED. THEY DON'T PUSH ANYTHING OUT FOR ROCKET LAUNCHES UNLESS THEY EXPLODE. AND THERE'S FALLING DEBRIS, BUT THAT ONE'S FOR MAINLY HAZARDS. WHILE THE AMBER ALERT SYSTEM IS MAINLY FOR MISSING PEOPLE. RIGHT? SO WE TRY NOT TO. THE GOAL IS TO NOT ABUSE DIFFERENT ALERT SYSTEMS BECAUSE AT LEAST I KNOW IN NORTH FLORIDA, THEY SENT OFF OUR TORNADO WARNING SO MANY TIMES THAT MY HUSBAND NOW SLEEPS THROUGH THEM. EVERY SINGLE TORNADO WARNING. SO WE TRY NOT TO ABUSE TOO MANY ALERT SYSTEMS UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? I HAD ONE QUESTION KIND OF DIRECTED MORE TOWARDS OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS. COULD YOU SPEAK FOR A MOMENT? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE IN THE PAST. BUT COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE EXPECTATION SHOULD BE FOR PALM BAY CITIZENS IN A HURRICANE WHEN IT COMES TO SWALES AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND LIKE, ROADS ARE GOING TO FLOOD, BUT THAT IS PARTIALLY BY DESIGN. CORRECT. SWALES ARE GOING TO FILL. THAT'S BY DESIGN. SPEAK TO THAT KIND OF NATURE TO IT THAT WAY. WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF HURRICANES, WE KIND OF JUST KIND OF SET SOME GROUNDWORK AS TO WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS MAY BE FOR THE WAY PUBLIC WORKS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WORKS IN A SITUATION WHEN A HURRICANE EVENT IN A LOCAL STORM EVENT, IT'S ALWAYS A A DUAL PARTNERSHIP KIND OF THING. WE, AS THE CITY IS MAKING PREPARATIONS FOR THE HURRICANE STORM, CITIZENS SHOULD ALSO BE PREPARING. DIG OUT YOUR DRIVEWAY PIPES. MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SWALES ARE FREE OF ANY OBSTRUCTIONS. ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE THAT'S LOOSE, THAT COULD BE COULD BE A HIGH VELOCITY OBJECT FLYING AROUND. MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEANING UP YOUR AREA AND KEEPING KEEPING THE, YOUR NEIGHBORS SPACE FREE OF DEBRIS OR ANYTHING THAT COULD BECOME AN AIRBORNE PROJECTILE. SWALES ARE GOING TO FILL UP. ROADS ARE GOING TO PULL THAT WATER'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE, BUT IT TAKES TIME. I KNOW THAT SWALES ARE OFTEN LOOKED AT AS CONVEYANCES AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RECEPTACLES NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR GUTTERS. YOUR GUTTERS WILL FILL UP AND EVENTUALLY GO DOWN THE DRAIN SPIGOT INTO THE FRONT YARD OVER TIME. AND THEN ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT THERE THAT'S NOT BEING PUSHED OR, OR THERE'S NO PROPULSION BEHIND IT, IT'S GOING TO STAY IN THE GUTTER. AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE THE SWALE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE SWALE WILL ACTUALLY PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND OVER TIME. [00:30:05] SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO GET CARRIED OUT TO THE CANAL SYSTEM OR IT'S GOING TO PERCOLATE BACK INTO THE GROUND. SO JUST BE A COURTEOUS NEIGHBOR. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OBSTRUCTIONS IN YOUR SWALE. MAKE SURE YOUR CULVERT PIPES ARE NOT FAILED. MAKE SURE THEY'RE WORKING AS INTENDED. FUNCTIONAL. CLEAN UP YOUR SPACE. WE SAY THE SAME THING WITH CONTRACTORS TOO. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AROUND PALM BAY. IT'S IT'S IT'S NO, IT'S NOT NEWS TO ANYBODY. WE ALWAYS TELL THE CONTRACTORS DURING A, PRIOR TO A STORM EVENT, IF IT CAN BE HELPED, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TRASH RECEPTACLES HAVE BEEN DUMPED PRIOR OR IF THEY CAN'T BE DUMPED PRIOR, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE, THE TRASH RECEPTACLE FRANCHISES GET OVERWHELMED JUST LIKE WE DO. AT LEAST SECURE. SECURE YOUR TRASH, YOU KNOW, PUT TARPS OVER IT, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS OUT. SO IT'S THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT REGARD. IS THERE A WAY I MEAN, I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO UPDATE THE CITIZENS TOO MUCH, BUT TO JUST KEEP THEM, TO REMIND THEM TO CLEAN OUT THEIR SWALES, MAYBE ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS. I KNOW WE JUST HAD A LITTLE BIT OF RAIN TODAY, AND THAT AREA IN NORTHWEST PALM BAY, WHERE WE WERE UNDER THREE FEET OF WATER LAST FALL THE DITCHES WERE ALREADY FILLED BACK UP AND ALMOST TO THE ROAD. I NOTICED IT'S BECAUSE ONE OF THE DRAINS WASN'T CLEARED OUT AND IT LOOKS LIKE A NEIGHBOR DID COME CLEAR IT. I'M GOING TO GO MAKE SURE IT GETS CLEARED MORE WHEN I GO HOME LATER. BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S FOREFRONT OF THE RESIDENT'S MIND. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS BEEN PUSHING OUT SPECIFICALLY RIGHT OF WAY MAINTENANCE WITH THE CITIZENS. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE SWALE SYSTEM, MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAINTAINING YOUR SPACE. SO IT HAS BEEN, WE HAVE AMPED UP HOW QUICK WE'RE PUSHING IT OUT AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT AS WELL UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, GET PAST THE HURRICANE SEASON AT LEAST. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. EXCELLENT. SO DO WE HAVE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS. NO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU, MISS COMBS, FOR COMING UP AND GIVING A PRESENTATION ON IT AND ALLOWING US TO TALK ABOUT THE PREPARATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE FOR THE HURRICANE SYSTEM. OF COURSE. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS I PUT MY EMAIL ON THE SLIDES, SO FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME OR CALL OR TEXT ME. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU. OKAY. OF COURSE. WITH THAT COMPLETED, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM. WHAT IS NOW NUMBER TWO, THE AQUIFER AND DATA CENTER PRESENTATION. FROM MISS SEP. YES. THESE ARE CRITICAL THINGS THAT WHATEVER. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE, BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO SHARE THE INFORMATION ON THE CONDITION OF THE AQUIFER. SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN A 20 MINUTE VIDEO ON THE CONDITION OF THE AQUIFER FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA, KIND OF ALL OVER THE STATE. AND ALSO THERE'S A SMALL PART ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF DATA CENTERS. MOST OF THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS. I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS WHEN IT'S DONE. SO DEREK, IF YOU CAN RUN THAT FLORIDA IS COLLAPSING. NOT SLOWLY, NOT METAPHORICALLY RIGHT NOW. THE GROUND BENEATH THE STATE IS GIVING WAY. IN JANUARY 2010, FARMERS IN A PLACE CALLED PLANT CITY MADE A DESPERATE CHOICE FOR 11 DAYS. THEY PUMPED WATER WITHOUT STOPPING, SPRAYING THEIR STRAWBERRY FIELDS TO SAVE THEM FROM A CATASTROPHIC FREEZE. THE PUMPS RAN DAY AND NIGHT, PULLING MILLIONS OF GALLONS FROM THE EARTH. THEY SAVED THE CROPS, BUT IN THE PROCESS, THEY DROP THE LOCAL WATER TABLE BY 60FT AND THE LAND BENEATH THEIR FEET BEGAN TO DISINTEGRATE. 140 SINKHOLES OPENED UP THE POROUS LIMESTONE THAT HOLDS UP THE ENTIRE STATE, SUDDENLY DRAINED OF THE WATER PRESSURE. HOLDING IT TOGETHER SIMPLY CAVED IN. IT WASN'T A SLOW SAG. IT WAS A VIOLENT STRUCTURAL FAILURE. FLORIDA IS BUILT ON A PRESSURIZED SPONGE OF ANCIENT WATER, AND FOR 11 DAYS, IN A PANIC, TO SAVE SOME FRUIT, A SMALL CORNER OF THE STATE PROVED WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DRAIN THAT SPONGE TOO FAST. THE STATE ITSELF BEGINS TO VANISH. THAT EVENT WAS A WARNING, A PREVIEW, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN PLANT CITY OVER 11 DAYS IS NOW HAPPENING ACROSS FLORIDA OVER YEARS. SO LET ME POSE THE QUESTION FROM THE OUTSET. WHICH PART OF FLORIDA RUNS OUT OF WATER FIRST? IS IT THE SPRAWLING HEART OF THE STATE, CENTRAL FLORIDA, WHICH IS PROJECTED TO FACE A DAILY WATER DEFICIT OF 96 MILLION GALLONS? OR IS IT THE COASTAL FORTRESS OF SOUTH FLORIDA, WHERE THE OCEAN ITSELF IS PUSHING INLAND, TURNING THE DRINKING WATER FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO SALT? LET ME KNOW IN THE COMMENTS WHICH SCENARIO YOU THINK IS MORE URGENT, THE COUNTDOWN OR THE CONTAMINATION? WE ARE FINDING THAT A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WATCH THESE REPORTS, BUT MANY FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE. [00:35:03] IF THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS IS VITAL TO YOU. TAKE ONE SECOND AND CLICK THAT BUTTON. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE CERTAIN YOU GET THE NEXT REPORT WHEN IT DROPS. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FLORIDA IS A STORY THAT CANNOT BE MISSED. LET'S BEGIN. THE GREAT PARADOX OF FLORIDA IS THE ILLUSION OF ABUNDANCE. IT IS A STATE THAT LOOKS, FEELS, AND SMELLS PERMANENTLY WET. IT GETS BETWEEN 50 AND 55IN OF RAINFALL EVERY YEAR. IT IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY THE OCEAN. IT IS FAMOUS FOR ITS SWAMPS, ITS RIVERS, ITS AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS THAT ARRIVE WITH TROPICAL CERTAINTY BY EVERY VISIBLE METRIC. THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST PLACE IN AMERICA TO EVER WORRY ABOUT A WATER CRISIS. AND YET IT IS A STATE ON THE VERGE OF RUNNING DRY. HERE IS THE NUMBER THAT EXPOSES THE ILLUSION OF THOSE 50 PLUS INCHES OF RAIN. ONLY ABOUT 13IN EVER MAKE IT BACK INTO THE GROUND TO RECHARGE THE AQUIFER. THE REST EVAPORATES UNDER. A RELENTLESS SUN IS SUCKED UP BY PLANTS OR IN THE STATE'S SPRAWLING CITIES, HITS A HARD SURFACE. IT STRIKES PAVEMENT, ROOFTOPS AND CONCRETE DRAINAGE CANALS, AND IT IS IMMEDIATELY SHOT OUT INTO THE OCEAN. WASTED. GONE. EVERY NEW SUBDIVISION, EVERY NEW SHOPPING MALL, EVERY NEW HIGHWAY IS ANOTHER PATCH OF FLORIDA THAT CAN NO LONGER DRINK THE RAIN THAT FALLS ON IT. THIS IS A STATE THAT IS SYSTEMATICALLY STARVING ITS OWN WATER SUPPLY. BENEATH THE SURFACE SITS ONE OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE GROUNDWATER SYSTEMS ON PLANET EARTH THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER. IT'S NOT A LAKE. IT IS NOT AN UNDERGROUND RIVER. IT IS A 100 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE MILE SUBTERRANEAN WORLD OF POROUS, SPONGE LIKE LIMESTONE THAT STRETCHES FROM SOUTH CAROLINA THROUGH GEORGIA AND ALABAMA AND UNDER THE ENTIRE PENINSULA OF FLORIDA. A GEOLOGICAL FORMATION OF TERTIARY CARBONATE ROCK HOLDING TRILLIONS OF GALLONS OF RAINWATER FILTERED AND STORED OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS. A USGS GEOLOGIST NAMED VICTOR TIMOTHY STRINGFIELD WAS THE FIRST TO TRULY MAP IT BACK IN 1936. BEFORE THEN, PEOPLE KNEW THE WATER WAS THERE. THEY DRILLED WELLS AND IT GUSHED OUT, SOMETIMES UNDER ITS OWN ARTESIAN PRESSURE. BUT STRINGFIELD GAVE IT A NAME AND A BOUNDARY. HE DEFINED THE UNSEEN OCEAN THAT THE STATE'S FUTURE WOULD BE BUILT UPON. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. NEARLY 90% OF ALL DRINKING WATER FOR THE STATE'S 21 MILLION RESIDENTS COMES FROM THIS SINGLE, VAST UNDERGROUND SYSTEM. IT SUPPORTS ROUGHLY 10 MILLION PEOPLE IN TOTAL. THE ENTIRE MODERN STATE OF FLORIDA, ITS CITIES, ITS AGRICULTURE, ITS ECONOMY EXISTS BECAUSE V.T. STRINGFIELD WAS RIGHT. THE WATER WAS THERE. IT SEEMED LIMITLESS. IT WAS NOT LIMITLESS. IT NEVER WAS. AND MORE THAN 70 YEARS AGO, ONE CORNER OF THE STATE LEARNED THAT LESSON FIRSTHAND. IF YOU DRIVE TO POLK COUNTY TODAY, NEAR THE TOWN OF BARTOW, YOU CAN FIND A QUIET, UNREMARKABLE DITCH. IT IS DRY, OVERGROWN, FORGOTTEN. BUT THIS DITCH USED TO BE ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS PLACES IN CENTRAL FLORIDA. IT WAS CALLED KISSINGEN SPRING AND IN THE 1920S AND 30S. IT WAS SPECTACULAR. IT WASN'T JUST A SPRING, IT WAS A DESTINATION. A MASSIVE POOL OF CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER BOILING UP FROM THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER, FEEDING A SWIMMING AREA COMPLETE WITH A HIGH DIVE, A PAVILION AND A DANCE FLOOR. HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ENJOYING WATER THAT GUSHED FROM THE EARTH AT A RATE OF 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. IT WAS THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF FLORIDA'S SEEMINGLY INFINITE WATER SUPPLY, A FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT COULD NEVER BE TURNED OFF. THEN PEOPLE STARTED DRILLING WELLS, LOTS OF THEM FOR NEW CITIES, FOR PHOSPHATE MINING, FOR AGRICULTURE. EACH WELL WAS A SMALL STRAW INTO THE SAME AQUIFER THAT FED THE SPRING, AND EACH STRAW PULLED WATER AWAY. THE PRESSURE BEGAN TO DROP. THE GUSHING FLOW OF KISSINGEN SPRING BEGAN TO SLOW, FIRST TO A BOIL, THEN TO A SIMMER, THEN TO A QUIET WEEP. ON FEBRUARY 19TH, 1950. IT STOPPED COMPLETELY. THE TOURISTS LEFT THE DANCE FLOOR, ROTTED. THE HIGH DIVE WAS TORN DOWN. KISSINGEN SPRING BECAME THE FIRST MAJOR SPRING IN FLORIDA TO BE PUMPED TO DEATH BY HUMAN CONSUMPTION. IT WASN'T KILLED BY A DROUGHT. IT WAS KILLED BY PROGRESS. BY A FEW THOUSAND WELLS. TAKING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE SYSTEM COULD SUSTAIN. IT WASN'T JUST A SPRING. IT WAS A PROPHECY WRITTEN IN DRY DIRT. A WARNING OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A REGION STARTS DRINKING ITS GEOLOGICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNT. A WARNING THAT WENT ALMOST ENTIRELY IGNORED. TODAY, THE GHOST OF KISSINGEN SPRING IS NO LONGER JUST A LOCAL STORY. IT IS THE BLUEPRINT FOR A STATEWIDE CATASTROPHE. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS COMING OUT OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. THE ORLANDO REGION, HOME TO THEME PARKS, EXPLOSIVE GROWTH AND MILLIONS OF RESIDENTS, IS ACTIVELY RUNNING OUT OF WATER. THIS ISN'T A FUTURE PROJECTION. IT IS A PRESENT DAY MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY. THE CENTRAL FLORIDA WATER INITIATIVE, OR CFW, IS A COLLABORATIVE BODY MADE UP OF THE STATE'S MOST POWERFUL WATER MANAGEMENT AGENCIES THE SF, WMD, THE SF WMD, THE SR WMD. THESE ARE NOT ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS. [00:40:06] THESE ARE THE SOBER BUREAUCRATIC AGENCIES RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE TAPS ON, AND THEIR OFFICIAL PROJECTION IS A GROUNDWATER SHORTFALL OF 96 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY BY THE YEAR 2045. NOT A TEMPORARY SHORTAGE, A PERMANENT STRUCTURAL DEFICIT EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE REGION WILL NEED 96 MILLION GALLONS MORE THAN THE AQUIFER CAN SUSTAINABLY PROVIDE. THAT IS THE WATER NEEDED FOR NEARLY 1 MILLION PEOPLE GONE. THE REASON IS SIMPLE. MORE STRAWS IN THE GROUND. FLORIDA'S POPULATION HAS BEEN EXPLODING FOR 50 YEARS, HISTORICALLY GAINING OVER 1000 NEW RESIDENTS A DAY. THE STATE IS PROJECTED TO SWELL FROM 21 MILLION PEOPLE TODAY TO NEARLY 33.7 MILLION BY THE YEAR OR 2070, AND A HUGE PORTION OF THAT GROWTH IS HAPPENING SQUARELY IN THE CFW REGION, THE AREA THAT IS ALREADY IN A DECLARED WATER DEFICIT. IT IS A SIMPLE MATH PROBLEM. MORE PEOPLE, MORE HOUSES, MORE BUSINESSES, ALL DRAWING FROM THE SAME FINITE SOURCE THAT IS ALREADY SHOWING SIGNS OF EXHAUSTION. THE AQUIFER THAT TOOK MILLIONS OF YEARS TO FILL IS BEING DRAWN DOWN IN DECADES. THIS IS A QUANTITY CRISIS. A COUNTDOWN TO ZERO. THE TANK IS EMPTYING FASTER THAN THE RAIN CAN REFILL IT. AND RIGHT AS THE ALARMS ARE REACHING THEIR PEAK VOLUME, A NEW AND PROFOUNDLY THIRSTY INDUSTRY HAS ARRIVED. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IN 2024 AND 2026, PROPOSALS BEGAN SURFACING TO BUILD MASSIVE AI DATA CENTERS ACROSS FLORIDA, WITH A PARTICULAR FOCUS ON THE SAME VULNERABLE REGIONS LIKE POLK COUNTY, WHERE KISSINGEN SPRING ONCE FLOWED. THESE ARE NOT NORMAL OFFICE BUILDINGS. THEY ARE WATER GUZZLING FACTORIES OF COMPUTATION. THE SERVERS INSIDE GENERATE SO MUCH HEAT THAT THEY REQUIRE MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY FOR COOLING. RUNNING IT THROUGH EVAPORATIVE TOWERS THAT RELEASE IT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE AS STEAM. ONE DATA CENTER CAN USE AS MUCH WATER AS AN ENTIRE TOWN. ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND HYDROLOGISTS HAVE BEEN SOUNDING THE ALARM WITH INCREASING DESPERATION. TO THEM, BUILDING AI DATA CENTERS IN A REGION WITH A KNOWN WATER DEFICIT IS LIKE BUILDING A FIREWORKS FACTORY NEXT TO A GAS LEAK. IT IS AN ACT OF PROFOUND, ALMOST SUICIDAL NEGLIGENCE. YOU CANNOT SOLVE A 96 MILLION GALLON DEFICIT BY INVITING AN INDUSTRY THAT MEASURES ITS DAILY WATER CONSUMPTION IN THE MILLIONS OF GALLONS. THE DEBATE IS RAGING RIGHT NOW. SHOULD A STATE FACING A WATER CRISIS ALLOW THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT? THE QUESTION PITS FLORIDA'S ECONOMIC MODEL, WHICH IS BUILT ON RELENTLESS GROWTH AGAINST ITS GEOLOGICAL REALITY, WHICH IS BUILT ON FINITE LIMITS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? SHOULD A STATE WITH A DECLARED WATER DEFICIT ALLOW INDUSTRIES THAT CONSUME MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY? THE DEBATE IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN PLACES LIKE POLK COUNTY. DROP YOUR THOUGHTS BELOW. THE WATER MANAGERS KNOW THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP. THEY KNOW THE PROPOSALS ARE UNSUSTAINABLE. BUT THE PRESSURE TO GROW TO BRING IN TECH JOBS, TO BE THE NEXT SILICON VALLEY IS IMMENSE. SO WHILE CENTRAL FLORIDA COUNTS DOWN TO A SPECIFIC CALCULATED SHORTFALL, THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE STATE IS FIGHTING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF WAR. IT'S NOT ABOUT QUANTITY, IT'S ABOUT QUALITY. SOUTH FLORIDA RUNS ON A SEPARATE, SHALLOWER AQUIFER CALLED THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER. IT IS A WEDGE OF HIGHLY PERMEABLE LIMESTONE THAT SITS JUST BELOW THE SURFACE. UNDERLYING THE 400 ZERO SQUARE MILES OF MIAMI-DADE, BROWARD AND PALM BEACH COUNTIES, IT IS THE SOLE SOURCE OF DRINKING WATER FOR OVER 3 MILLION PEOPLE. FOR THE 2.5 MILLION RESIDENTS OF MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, THERE IS NO BACKUP. THERE IS NO OTHER PIPE. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE. EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE BISCAYNE. AND THE BISCAYNE IS BEING POISONED BY THE SEA. THE PROBLEM IS CALLED SALTWATER INTRUSION. AND TO UNDERSTAND IT, YOU HAVE TO STOP THINKING OF THE AQUIFER AS A CONTAINER. IT'S A PRESSURIZED SYSTEM. FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, FRESH WATER FLOWING DOWN FROM THE EVERGLADES HAS FILLED THE POROUS LIMESTONE, CREATING A ZONE OF HIGH PRESSURE THAT PUSHES OUTWARD, HOLDING THE DENSE, HEAVY SALTWATER OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN AT BAY, THE FRESH WATER FORMS A KIND OF UNDERGROUND WALL, PREVENTING THE OCEAN FROM SEEPING INLAND THROUGH THE SAME POROUS ROCK. BUT FOR THE LAST CENTURY, SOUTH FLORIDA HAS BEEN RELENTLESSLY DRILLING INTO THAT PRESSURIZED SYSTEM, PUMPING OUT BILLIONS OF GALLONS OF FRESH WATER FOR ITS CITIES AND FARMS. EVERY GALLON REMOVED LOWERS THE FRESHWATER PRESSURE, AND AS THAT PRESSURE DROPS, THE HEAVIER OCEAN SALTWATER STARTS TO WIN THE UNDERGROUND BATTLE. IT BEGINS TO CREEP INLAND, ADVANCING SLOWLY INVISIBLY THROUGH THE LIMESTONE, CONTAMINATING THE AQUIFER FROM BELOW. ONCE A SECTION OF THE AQUIFER IS CONTAMINATED WITH SALT, IT IS PERMANENT. THE WELLS IN THAT ZONE ARE RUINED FOREVER. YOU CANNOT FLUSH IT OUT. YOU CANNOT REVERSE IT. THE FRESH WATER SOURCE IS LOST, AND IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AT A RATE THAT SCIENTISTS ARE CALLING DEEPLY ALARMING. A UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL SURVEY REPORT PUBLISHED IN LATE 2025, DOCUMENTED THE ADVANCE BETWEEN 2018 AND 2022 IN JUST FOUR YEARS. [00:45:05] THE SALT WATER INTERFACE AT THE BASE OF THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER HAD PUSHED AS MUCH AS 0.8KM INLAND IN SOME AREAS NEARLY HALF A MILE. AN INVISIBLE ARMY OF SALT MARCHING INLAND, CLAIMING TERRITORY THAT WAS ONCE PURE, FRESH WATER. AS OF 2011, AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 1200KM² OF THE AQUIFER WAS ALREADY CONSIDERED LOST TO SALT WATER. THE NEW DATA SHOWS THE INVASION IS ACCELERATING. THIS IS THE REALITY ON THE GROUND. IT'S COMPLEX, IT'S URGENT, AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA IT'S HAPPENING. IF YOU THINK THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE SEEN, SHARE THIS REPORT WITH YOUR FAMILY. AND IF YOU'RE GETTING VALUE FROM THIS, A SIMPLE LIKE ON THE VIDEO HELPS MORE THAN YOU KNOW. AND I KNOW I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT IT'S CRUCIAL. PLEASE SUBSCRIBE. A SHOCKING NUMBER OF VIEWERS HAVEN'T AND YOU'LL MISS THE FOLLOW UP ON THIS IF YOU DON'T. IT'S THAT IMPORTANT. THE HEALTH OF THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER IS DIRECTLY AND INEXTRICABLY LINKED TO ONE PLACE THE EVERGLADES. FOR GENERATIONS, THE WATER COMING OUT OF A TAP IN MIAMI WAS QUITE LITERALLY YESTERDAY'S SWAMP WATER. RAIN WOULD FALL ON. THE VAST WETLANDS SEEP INTO THE GROUND AND FLOW SLOWLY SOUTHEAST THROUGH THE LIMESTONE, RECHARGING THE AQUIFER BENEATH THE CITY. BUT A CENTURY AGO, FLORIDA DECIDED TO DRAIN THE SWAMP. A MASSIVE NETWORK OF CANALS WAS DUG TO DRY OUT LAND FOR FARMING AND DEVELOPMENT. THOSE CANALS SAVED MIAMI FROM FLOODING, BUT THEY ALSO DID SOMETHING ELSE. THEY BECAME SUPERHIGHWAYS CARRYING BILLIONS OF GALLONS OF PRECIOUS FRESH WATER DIRECTLY OUT TO SEA, BYPASSING THE AQUIFER ENTIRELY. AND NOW, AS SEA LEVELS RISE, THOSE SAME CANALS ARE ACTING AS CONDUITS, ALLOWING SALTWATER TO PUSH DEEPER INLAND AT THE SURFACE WHILE THE SALTWATER FRONT ADVANCES UNDERGROUND. SOUTH FLORIDA IS BEING BESIEGED ON TWO FRONTS FROM BELOW AND FROM THE SIDE. DOCTOR TODD AYE CROWELL, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE OF ENVIRONMENT AT FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY, IS ONE OF THE LEADING SCIENTISTS STUDYING THIS. HIS ASSESSMENT IS BLUNT. IF WE JUST KEEP GOING THE WAY WE ARE GOING NOW, WE ARE LIKELY TO BE IN TROUBLE IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, HE SAYS. IT'S JUST A SIMPLE PRESSURE PROBLEM. WATCHING THE RATE THAT'S HAPPENING IS A LITTLE BIT SCARY. SCARY IS THE RIGHT WORD, BECAUSE IN THE SPRING OF 2026, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WAS PUSHED TO ITS BREAKING POINT. THE DROUGHT THAT HIT FLORIDA IN EARLY 2026 WAS UNPRECEDENTED IN THE MODERN RECORD. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 25 YEARS, 100% OF THE STATE WAS UNDER OFFICIAL DROUGHT CONDITIONS. ALL FIVE OF THE STATE'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS ISSUED SIMULTANEOUS WARNINGS. IT WAS A STATEWIDE EMERGENCY IN SOUTH FLORIDA. THE IMPACT WAS IMMEDIATE. THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER ALREADY STRESSED AND OVERPUMPED DROPPED TO THE LOWER 10TH PERCENTILE OF ITS HISTORIC LEVELS. THE FRESHWATER PRESSURE PLUMMETED, CREATING THE EXACT CONDITIONS FOR A RAPID, POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC ADVANCE OF THE SALTWATER FRONT TOWARD MIAMI'S MOST CRITICAL COASTAL WELL FIELDS. THE CRISIS WASN'T THEORETICAL. IT WAS REAL ENOUGH THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE, IN PLACES LIKE CITRUS COUNTY, AUTHORITIES ENACTED A MODIFIED PHASE THREE EXTREME WATER SHORTAGE ORDER EFFECTIVE APRIL 3RD, 2026. RESIDENTS WERE LEGALLY RESTRICTED TO WATERING THEIR LAWNS JUST ONE DAY PER WEEK. VIOLATORS FACED STRICT FINES. THE MANDATE WAS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO A REGIONAL RAINFALL DEFICIT THAT HAD EXCEEDED 13IN. IT WAS A TANGIBLE SIGN THAT THE SYSTEM HAD NO MORE GIVE. FLORIDA HAD ENTERED A NEW ERA THE ERA OF LIMITS, AN ERA WHERE THE ILLUSION OF ABUNDANCE FINALLY SHATTERED AGAINST THE HARD REALITY OF GEOLOGY AND CONSUMPTION. SO WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A CRISIS THIS SEVERE, THE CONVERSATION INEVITABLY TURNS TO TECHNOLOGY, TO ENGINEERING. THE MOST COMMON PROPOSAL IS DESALINATION. IF YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY OCEANS, WHY NOT JUST DRINK THE OCEAN WATER? IT IS A SEDUCTIVE IDEA. IT IS ALSO DEEPLY FLAWED. DESALINATION, TYPICALLY THROUGH A PROCESS CALLED REVERSE OSMOSIS, IS MASSIVELY ENERGY INTENSIVE. IT REQUIRES FORCING SALTWATER THROUGH FINE MEMBRANES AT EXTREMELY HIGH PRESSURE, A PROCESS THAT CONSUMES ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF ELECTRICITY. THAT MAKES THE WATER INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, FAR MORE SO THAN PUMPING IT FROM THE GROUND. THEN THERE IS THE PROBLEM OF WHAT IS LEFT OVER. FOR EVERY GALLON OF FRESH WATER PRODUCED, YOU GET A GALLON OF SUPER CONCENTRATED TOXIC BRINE. DISPOSING OF THIS BRINE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL NIGHTMARE. DUMP IT BACK IN THE OCEAN AND IT CREATES DEAD ZONES, KILLING MARINE LIFE. DESALINATION IS NOT A SILVER BULLET. IT IS AN EXPENSIVE, ENERGY HOGGING, LAST DORT MEASURE FOR WEALTHY DESERT NATIONS, NOT A SCALABLE SOLUTION FOR A STATE OF 21 MILLION PEOPLE. THE OTHER SOLUTION IS CONSERVATION, AND FLORIDA IS TRYING. BUT IT IS FIGHTING AGAINST ITS OWN ECONOMIC DNA. THE ENTIRE STATE IS A GROWTH MACHINE PREDICATED ON SELLING A DREAM OF SUNSHINE AND EASY LIVING TO A CONSTANT INFLUX OF NEW RESIDENTS. [00:50:04] AS THE WATER POLICY EXPERT ROBERT GLENNON, AUTHOR OF UNQUENCHABLE, PUTS IT, THE SUPPLY IS FINITE, BUT THE ACCESS TO IT IS NOT FINITE. IT'S LIMITLESS. HIS POINT IS THAT FLORIDA HAS NEVER PUT A MEANINGFUL PRICE ON ITS GROUNDWATER, OR A LIMIT ON WHO CAN ACCESS IT. AS LONG AS YOU CAN DRILL A WELL. THE WATER IS EFFECTIVELY YOURS FOR THE TAKING. THIS IS THE CORE CONTRADICTION. A STATE WHOSE SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON RESTRAINT IS RUN BY AN ECONOMY THAT DEMANDS INFINITE EXPANSION. THE STATE'S FIVE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS ARE NOW CAUGHT IN THIS IMPOSSIBLE BIND. THEY ARE TASKED WITH PLANNING FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE WHILE OPERATING IN A POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM THAT ACTIVELY UNDERMINES IT. THEY ARE DRAWING UP PLANS FOR ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLIES, LIKE TREATING AND REUSING WASTEWATER OR CAPTURING MORE STORMWATER. BUT THESE PROJECTS ARE EXPENSIVE, POLITICALLY DIFFICULT AND DECADES AWAY FROM MAKING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. MEANWHILE, THE POPULATION KEEPS GROWING, THE WELLS KEEP PUMPING, AND THE TWO CLOCKS KEEP TICKING. SO WE RETURN TO THE CENTRAL QUESTION WHO WILL RUN OUT OF WATER FIRST? THE CASE FOR CENTRAL FLORIDA IS A CASE OF SIMPLE, BRUTAL ARITHMETIC. THE 96 MILLION GALLON DAILY DEFICIT IS NOT A GUESS. IT IS A CALCULATION BASED ON PROJECTED GROWTH AND KNOWN HYDROLOGICAL LIMITS. BARRING A SUDDEN AND DRAMATIC HALT TO DEVELOPMENT, OR THE IMMEDIATE DISCOVERY OF A MAGICAL NEW WATER SOURCE, THIS DEFICIT WILL ARRIVE. IT WILL MEAN SEVERE PERMANENT RESTRICTIONS. IT COULD MEAN MORATORIUMS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT WILL FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE ECONOMIC TRAJECTORY OF THE ENTIRE REGION. THE ARRIVAL OF WATER HUNGRY DATA CENTERS ONLY ACCELERATES THAT TIMELINE, TURNING A 2045 PROBLEM INTO A POTENTIAL 2035 CRISIS. THE END FOR CENTRAL FLORIDA LOOKS LIKE A SPREADSHEET. A DAY WHEN THE DEMAND NUMBER DEFINITIVELY AND PERMANENTLY EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY NUMBER. THE CASE FOR SOUTH FLORIDA IS LESS ABOUT A COUNTDOWN AND MORE ABOUT A SUDDEN CARDIAC EVENT. THE ADVANCE OF THE SALT WATER FRONT IS A CREEPING THREAT, BUT IT IS VULNERABLE TO SHOCKS. A SEVERE MULTIYEAR DROUGHT LIKE THE ONE THAT JUST HIT COULD DRAMATICALLY ACCELERATE THE INTRUSION. A MAJOR HURRICANE PUSHING A MASSIVE STORM SURGE UP THE CANALS AND INTO THE COASTAL WETLANDS COULD CONTAMINATE HUGE AREAS OF THE AQUIFER IN A MATTER OF DAYS. THE END FOR SOUTH FLORIDA DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SPREADSHEET. IT LOOKS LIKE A PERSON TURNING ON THEIR TAP IN MIAMI AND THE WATER TASTING FAINTLY OF SALT. AND THEN ONE DAY, NOT SO FAINTLY. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE WELL FIELDS ARE LOST FOR GOOD. IT IS A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF FAILURE A SLOW MANAGED DECLINE INTO SCARCITY OR A SUDDEN CATASTROPHIC POISONING. OKAY, LAST TIME, I PROMISE. BUT IF YOU MADE IT THIS FAR, YOU'RE EXACTLY THE KIND OF PERSON WHO NEEDS TO BE SUBSCRIBED. WE NEED INFORMED PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS. HIT THE BUTTON. IT MATTERS. FLORIDA'S WATER CRISIS IS NOT A STORY ABOUT A LACK OF RAIN. IT IS A STORY ABOUT A LACK OF FORESIGHT. IT IS THE STORY OF A STATE THAT BUILT A 21ST CENTURY CIVILIZATION ON TOP OF A WATER SYSTEM. IT TREATS LIKE AN INFINITE RESOURCE FROM A BYGONE ERA. THE ENGINEERS KNOW. THE SCIENTISTS KNOW. THE WATER MANAGERS KNOW. THEY HAVE SEEN THE NUMBERS. THEY HAVE MAPPED THE ADVANCING SALT. THEY HAVE WATCHED THE SPRING SYSTEMS FLICKER AND DIE. THE WARNING SIGNS ARE NO LONGER SUBTLE. THEY ARE SINKHOLES 60FT DEEP. THEY ARE EMERGENCY WATER RESTRICTIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WATER STATE. THEY ARE THE DRY, DUSTY BED OF A PLACE THAT ONCE ROARED WITH 20 MILLION GALLONS OF FRESH WATER EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE GHOST OF KISSINGEN SPRINGS. THAT'S FINE. PATRICIA HEATON, THIS IS HOW TO TELL. OKAY, JUST TURN IT OFF. I FOUND ALL OF THIS VERY, VERY DISTURBING. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS CITIZENS AND THINGS WE CAN DO AS A CITY. AIR TO WATER. GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF HUMIDITY THAT WE HAVE IS A VIABLE SOLUTION. AND IF WE START DOING THESE, THESE ARE PASSIVE MECHANISMS. YOU CAN BUY MACHINES THAT DO IT. THEY'LL GENERATE MORE WATER, BUT THE MACHINES ACTUALLY GENERATE MORE HEAT. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COLLECTING WATER OFF YOUR ROOF BECAUSE, WELL, FOR THAT YOU NEED A NUMBER OF FILTERS. BUT A SIMPLE THING LIKE PUTTING A SCREEN OVER A BOX, YOU CAN COLLECT WATER AND HAVE IT DRAIN INTO A COLLECTION TANK OR WHATEVER. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS. THERE ISN'T TIME FOR ME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM TODAY. I DID PUT IN, IN THE NOTES SOME, SOME DRAWINGS ON THAT GIVES YOU INFORMATION ON HOW THIS WORKS. [00:55:02] AND THE TOP ONE, THE PASSIVE AIR TO WATER COLLECTION IN FLORIDA, PEOPLE ARE USING ROOFS OR THEY'RE USING SCREENS OR ANYTHING METAL OR GLASS. IT ATTRACTS THE EVAPORATION AND THE HUMIDITY. AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO LEAVE SOME SORT OF A. HALF TUBE OR SOMETHING TO COLLECT IT AND DIRECT IT INTO WHERE YOU WANT TO COLLECT THE WATER. ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED TO DEREK AND ERIC ABOUT A WHILE AGO WAS WE HAVE ALL OF THESE CANALS THAT ARE COLLECTING WATER RATHER THAN JUST BE A COLLECTION POINT FOR TOO MUCH RAIN, ALL WE'D HAVE TO DO IS PUT, SAY, 4 TO 6 INCH PIPE, MAYBE BIGGER EVERY BLOCK. OKAY. AND COVER THOSE CANALS WITH SCREENS SO THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY ACCUMULATING THE HUMIDITY AND IT'S GOING BACK INTO THE GROUND. BUT THE ONLY WAY, WELL, THE WAY THAT WORKS IS ONE IS THE COUNTY HAS TO STOP SPRAYING CHEMICALS. WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CANALS CLEAN IF THEY'RE LINED IN ROCK. THAT IS THE BEST CHOICE BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD FILTER. THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING CALLED HEMPCRETE, WHICH ALSO IS A REALLY GOOD FILTER FOR REPLENISHING GROUNDWATER. AND WHAT THAT IS, IS YOU TAKE THE HEMP PLANT, THE HEARD FROM IT, WHICH IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE LEAVES AND BRANCHES. IT'S THE WOODY PART. YOU TAKE THE BARK OFF THAT IS VERY ABSORBENT AND NOT ABSORBENT. I'M SORRY. IT ALLOWS YOU TO FILTER THROUGH IT. IT'S MIXED WITH LIME, WHICH I LEARNED FROM DOING THE UTILITIES TOUR THAT WE ROUTINELY COLLECT THE LIME OUT OF OUR WATER. THERE'S ONE WHOLE POND THAT WE PAY MR. AGUIRRE TO TAKE AWAY, AND GOD KNOWS WHERE IT GOES. WELL, MAYBE WE COULD USE THAT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T COST IF YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER WITH IF YOU TAKE THE HEMP. AND THE REASON ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HEMP CRETE IS POPULAR IS BECAUSE HEMP GROWS VERY FAST. YOU CUT IT DOWN AND FIVE DAYS LATER YOU HAVE YOU'VE REPLACED YOUR GROWTH. THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY PRACTICAL. IT'S FIREPROOF. IT CAN BE USED AS INSULATION THAT WILL PROTECT YOU FROM FIRE AND FLOODING AND WHATEVER ELSE. BUT IF WE LINED THE CANALS WITH THAT OR ON THE GROUND PUT IN LIKE PORCELAIN TILES BECAUSE WE LOST HALF $1 MILLION GRANT SOME YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH CONCRETE IN PALM BAY. IF WE HAD PAVERS WHERE THE WATER WOULD RUN OFF AND AND FILTER IN BETWEEN THE BRICKS. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT COULD HELP US WITH THE GROUNDWATER SITUATION. AS CITIZENS, WE CAN ALSO DO THE SAME THINGS. WE CAN PUT A PIPE IN THE GROUND AND AND HAVE OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, HAVE WATER FOR OURSELVES, BUT ALSO TRY TO. REPLACE THE LOSS IN THE GROUNDWATER. ALL WE HAVE TO GET TO IS THIS SURFACE LAYER, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH DRY. FROM THERE IT WILL FILTER DOWN. BUT IF EVERYBODY'S PREPARED WITH SOME SORT OF PASSIVE SYSTEM, WE AS CITIZENS NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH WATER TO DRINK AND TO COOK, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FAMILIES AND BATHE. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO AS FAR AS THE DATA CENTERS GO. THERE'S A LOT OF, BAD PUBLICITY ABOUT THEM. THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY. WHERE THEY EXIST, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT EXCEPT WE CAN MITIGATE THE DAMAGE THAT THEY'RE DOING. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WHERE DATA CENTERS EXIST IS THEY'RE USING SO MUCH ELECTRICITY FOR THEIR AIR CONDITIONING THAT IT'S, IT'S DISRUPTING THE SUPPLIES. THAT'S ONE THING. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IN A CITY IN NEVADA WAS JUST RECENTLY TOLD THAT THEY'RE NOT THE, THE POWER COMPANY IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE PROVIDING ELECTRICITY TO THE ENTIRE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING ALL OF IT TO THE DATA CENTER. [01:00:08] AND AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE DATA CENTER, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DATA CENTERS CAN DO IS THEY CAN USE PASSIVE COOLING, WHICH MEANS DEPENDING ON HOW DEEP THEIR FOUNDATION IS. THE GROUND HOLDS A CONSTANT TEMPERATURE, WHICH ON AVERAGE IS 55 DEGREES COOLER THAN WHAT OUR AIR IS. SO IF THEY RAN CLAY PIPES AND AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF PIPES WOULD DEPEND ON HOW BIG THE BUILDING IS AND JUST PIPE IT IN. ALL THEY NEED IS A LITTLE FAN TO BLOW IT IN. THEY PROBABLY WILL NEED SOME A DEHUMIDIFIER IN THERE TO TO PREVENT MOISTURE FROM GETTING IN. BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE AND THEY'RE USUALLY ISOLATED. SO THEY COULD PROBABLY PUT THESE THESE UNDERGROUND PIPES AND ATTACH THEM TO THE WINDOWS. I MEAN TO ALL SIDES OF THEIR BUILDING OR AT LEAST THE NORTH AND THE EAST SIDE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE CREATING A PROBLEM. THE OTHER THING THAT THE DATA CENTERS ARE DOING IS THE AMOUNT OF FREQUENCIES THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING, ESPECIALLY WITH FIBER OPTICS. AND A LOT OF US HAVE FIBER OPTICS IN THE GROUND IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSES. NOW, FIBER OPTIC FREQUENCIES, THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY DISRUPTIVE TO ANIMALS, ESPECIALLY CATTLE AND BEES. BEES AREN'T ANIMALS. BUT FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS AN ESTIMATE THAT IN THREE MONTHS 50% OF THE BEE POPULATION HAS DISAPPEARED. NOW I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BEE CENSUS IS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COUNT THEM, BUT THEY SAY 50% IS GONE. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT HURTS AGRICULTURE BECAUSE THERE'S. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TO POLLINATE AS FAR AS THE FREQUENCIES AND THE CATTLE. CATTLE ARE BEING BORN STILL. THEY'RE HAVING STILLBIRTHS AND IT'S CATASTROPHIC. WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT ONE THIRD OF OUR NORMAL CAPACITY OF CATTLE. THIS IS HERDING CATTLE FARMERS. I RECENTLY GOT A CALL FROM CATTLE FARMERS IN TEXAS ASKING ME WHAT TO DO. I SAID, THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FREQUENCIES TRAVEL, THEY LOSE POWER EVERY KILOMETER, WHICH IS LIKE 0.612 MILES. I THINK THEY LOSE 5 TO 10% FOR EVERY KILOMETER. SO YOU CAN TRY TO KEEP THEM FURTHER AWAY. BUT I THINK A BETTER SOLUTION WOULD BE TO TAKE SOMETHING LIKE HEMPCRETE AND BURY IT AS WALLS IN THE GROUND. YOU CAN MAKE IT AS THICK AS YOU WANT, OR DO AN ARRAY OF THEM LIKE A FEW FEET APART, BECAUSE THAT WILL DIFFUSE THE POWER OF THOSE FREQUENCIES. SO IT WON'T AFFECT THEM AS MUCH. AND YOU KNOW WHY THE STILLBIRTHS. THEY'VE ALSO FOUND THIS COMPANY. EMF SOLUTIONS. THEY DO A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS. AND THEY SAID THAT FOR SOME REASON THESE FREQUENCIES ARE DECREASING THE CALCIUM IN THE BODIES OF CATTLE AND COWS, FOR INSTANCE. I MEAN, THEY STAND IN ONE PLACE ALL DAY, BASICALLY, AND THEY GRAZE. THEY'RE NOT MOVING AROUND BECAUSE THEY ALSO SAID, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEER. I SAID, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE DEER. THEY'RE IN THE WOODS. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TRANSPIRATION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, OFF THE LEAVES, THEY CAN GET THAT, BUT THEY MOVE AROUND FASTER. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR CATTLE PRETTY MUCH ABOUT FIVE MILES FROM WHERE THE DATA CENTER IS. BECAUSE ONE GUY I TALKED TO, THEY PUT ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HIM. DATA CENTERS RECENTLY UNDER AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. IT WAS ON PAGE 14. I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS, BUT IT HAS FEDERALIZED ALL DATA CENTERS. SO MUNICIPALITIES CANNOT DO ANYTHING. THEY CAN'T MANDATE ANYTHING TO THEM. BUT THEY IT DOESN'T STOP THEM FROM ASKING FOR THEM TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REALLY SERIOUSLY LOOK AT HAVING MORE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IN IN PALM BAY IS ROGUE VALLEY. ROGUE VALLEY IS A CHIP MAKING FACTORY. THE PROBLEM WITH THEM IS NOT SO MUCH THE FREQUENCIES BUT THE WATER. TO CLEAN CHIPS, THEY HAVE TO RE RINSE THE THE CHIPS. [01:05:02] THEY HAVE TO CLEAN THE WATER SIX TIMES. OKAY. AND THEY CAN'T REUSE WHAT THEY JUST PASSED. IT'S ALL NEW WATER. SO AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HUGE FACILITY IF IT'S THE BUILDING I'M THINKING OF. BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO REGULATE HOW, WHERE THEY'RE TAKING THE WATER FROM. AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, DOING WITH IT AFTER IT'S CLEAN BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING CHIPS, IT COMES, THE END PRODUCT IS SLUDGE. IT'S SILVER SLUDGE. AND THAT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO GET RID OF. AND THEY CERTAINLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY REUSE IT. MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME, SOME MAGIC WAY OF DOING THAT. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE LAGOON. AND I DON'T THINK. HAVE THEY BEEN OPEN VERY LONG. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA. I KNOW THEY NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. NO. YEAH. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO AT LEAST VISIT THEM AND TRY TO GET THESE COMPANIES, BECAUSE AI IS NOT GOING AWAY. COMPUTERS ARE NOT GOING AWAY. PEOPLE LIKE THEM UNTIL IT HURTS THEM. BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE SOLUTIONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. AND THIS MS SOLUTIONS, THEY HAVE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE FREQUENCIES, IF YOU WALK AROUND BAREFOOT ON YOUR YARD, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO IS PUT MAGNETS IN YOUR POCKET. AND FOR SOME REASON THAT, THAT MITIGATES THE THE FREQUENCIES. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO BAD GUYS IN THIS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE IN BUSINESS. THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES EVERYBODY'S LIFE EASIER. BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS SOLUTIONS AND WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY TRY TO ENGAGE OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO LOOKING AT PASSIVE SYSTEMS, WHICH HAVE WORKED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. SOME OF THESE I MEAN, THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE WATER SUPPLIES HAVE HAVE WORKED IN IN MIDDLE EASTERN DESERTS THAT SOMETIMES HAVE TEMPERATURES LIKE 140 DEGREES. AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING TODAY. THE FREQUENCIES IN THE GROUND HELP AND THE TEMPERATURES IN THE GROUND. YOU CAN GET IT TO CARRY FORWARD. YOU NEED TO, I THINK YOU NEED A TWO DEGREE DECLINING PIPE. AND THEN IT GETS, IT GETS PUSHED UP. AND THEN YOU JUST NEED A LITTLE FAN TO BLOW IT INTO THE BUILDING. BUT I PUT IN PICTURES SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE AQUIFER LOOKS LIKE AND IT'S, IT'S SCARY. ONE THING I WILL TELL YOU IS IN LAKE LAKE JACKSON, WHICH IS NEAR TALLAHASSEE. THAT WAS A HUGE, HUGE LAKE WHERE PEOPLE HAD WATERFRONT AND ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES. IT HAS TWO SINKHOLES IN IT. AND NOT TOO LONG AGO, IN 24 HOURS, THAT ENTIRE LAKE LOST 4.4 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND IT DIDN'T COME BACK. THEY TRACKED IT BY USING DYES, AND THEY FOUND THAT IT TRAVELED UNDERGROUND FROM THE SINKHOLES 35 MILES TO AN AQUIFER IN THE MORE WESTERN PART OF THE PANHANDLE. SO. YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND WATER IS LIFE. THIS IS NOT A JOKE. WE COULD FIND, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY THERE'S NOTHING. SO WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE ON THESE PASSIVE SYSTEMS. I'M NOT SAYING SUBSTITUTE WHAT YOU HAVE, BUT MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP. I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN A PLAN B FOR ALL THINGS. I DON'T KNOW. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ALL OF THIS? I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I ALSO WANT TO CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKUP ON THERE. AS I AM ALWAYS WILLING TO TELL EVERYBODY, I'M TAKING FLORIDA MASTER NATURALIST CLASSES. AND ACTUALLY THIS PAST WEEKEND I JUST STARTED THE FRESHWATER SYSTEMS CLASS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE AQUIFER AND PERCOLATING BACK INTO IT AND EVERYTHING. I ALREADY KNEW THIS PRIOR TO MY CLASS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING YOUR VIDEO THAT YOU SHOWED WAS THE SPRING IN BARTOW DRYING OUT. SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE 50S, SO IT MAY SEEM FAR AND DISTANT BACK IN THE PAST. [01:10:06] I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CANNOT HAPPEN AGAIN, BECAUSE ACTUALLY JUST A MONTH AGO, POST SPRINGS UP IN ALACHUA COUNTY WAS REPORTED TO HAVE DRIED OUT. IT IS NO LONGER RUNNING. THEY NO LONGER ALLOW SWIMMERS IN POST SPRINGS BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY HAS DROPPED SO DRASTICALLY SINCE THE WATER HAS STOPPED FLOWING. A RECREATION SPOT THAT USED TO BE LOVED BY PEOPLE IN ALACHUA COUNTY AREA IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND COULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HAVING SPRINGS ACTIVELY RUN DRY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS WE SPEAK NOW. SO IT IS DEFINITELY A MAJOR CONCERN THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN. YEAH. ONE THING WITH THAT VIDEO, THEY SAID 21 MILLION, BUT I CHECKED TODAY AND WE'RE AT 23.4 SOMETHING MILLION IN JUST A FEW YEARS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS THE CENSUS NUMBER. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE US UNTIL 2070 TO GET TO WHAT THEY SAY. 33. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE A LOT SOONER. YEAH. OUR POPULATION IS GROWING QUITE RAPIDLY. AND THE DANGER WITH THE AQUIFERS DRYING UP IS ALSO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. AND I DID TALK TO SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I SAID, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS, THESE BUILDINGS WILL SINK. THEY'RE MORE LIKELY THEY'RE PUTTING TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON, ON LIME THAT ONCE IT'S DRY, IT, YOU KNOW, IT CRUMBLES, YOU KNOW SO WE HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON, ON OUR COUNCILMEN AND WHOEVER IS MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT'S BUILT, WE NEED, REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE COULD WIND UP LIKE THE CITY OF ATLANTIS UNDER THE OCEAN. I MEAN, EVEN BISCAYNE BAY. THERE'S A SINKHOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF BISCAYNE BAY. YOU KNOW. I REALLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE LOOK INTO. IF ANYBODY WANTS INFORMATION. I'VE LOOKED AT DOZENS OF DIFFERENT PASSIVE SYSTEMS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT THEMSELVES. AGAIN, THERE'S A FEW COMPANIES THAT DO A GOOD JOB, BUT IT'S IT'S RUN THROUGH ELECTRICITY AND THAT'S UP TO THEM. BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT. YOU JUST GOT TO DIG DEEP ENOUGH THE FOR THE COOLING. WE ARE A VERY HOT CLIMATE. SO AS THE LONGER WE HAVE A HEAT WAVE, IT'S LESS COOL, BUT IT'S STILL COOLER THAN WHAT WE HAVE ABOVE GROUND. SO AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS THERE. AN AVERAGE FOUR INCH CLAY PIPE WILL COVER ABOUT 550FT², I THINK. AND THAT'S NOT A VERY LONG PIPE. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO YOUR WHOLE HOUSE, YOU NEED TO HAVE A REALLY LONG ONE. BUT CLAY WORKS BETTER BECAUSE IT, IT THE EVAPORATION DRIPS OFF IT EASIER THAN PVC. BUT WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO WITH ANY OF IT IS PUT ANYTHING CORRUGATED BECAUSE THEN EVERY ONE OF THOSE LITTLE WRINKLES COLLECTS BACTERIA AND MOLD. I'M LOSING MY VOICE. BUT ANYWAY I THINK I TALKED ENOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I AGREE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH LIKE OUR, OUR BUILDING CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR OUR DEVELOPMENT CODES WITH, WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN. IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN PERMEABLE PAVEMENT OR ANY OF THESE LIKE AQUIFER RECHARGING METHODS. AND IF NOT, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO ADDING WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH BIOSWALE OR SO MUCH PERMEABLE PAVEMENT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS MOVING FORWARD, JUST TO TRY TO FIND WAYS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY START RECHARGING THE AQUIFER. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T. SO THERE IS THE LID MANUAL THAT'S UNDER GROWTH MANAGEMENT THAT OFFERS A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS TO BUILDERS. IT IS PUSHED OUT QUITE A BIT. THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO MANDATED REGULATIONS THAT BUILDERS HAVE TO ADHERE TO. SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE LID MANUAL TO KIND OF OFFER SUGGESTIONS. THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE PAST ABOUT LOOKING FOR LIKE CREDIT OR SOMETHING FOR HAVING CERTAIN CERTAIN ID ELEMENTS IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION. IT'S JUST IT'S A HARD SELL. SO THEY'RE LIKE I SAID, THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE. [01:15:03] IT DOES GET PUSHED OUT TO THE BUILDERS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCES THAT MANDATE THAT THAT REGULATION CURRENTLY. AND I'M SORRY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE AS A CITY TO PUSH ON THEM DUE TO LIKE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD THEN BUILD INTO OUR CODE IN THE FUTURE? I SUPPOSE YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE A CASE AND TRY TO PUSH IT AS FAR AS YOU CAN. BUT YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST IT'S NOT SEEN AS AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADHERED TO. IT'S NOT LIKE A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S NOT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOTHING THAT'S, THAT'S NECESSARY. I DON'T WANT TO SAY NECESSARY AS IF IT'S UNIMPORTANT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARY. THERE'S NOT LIKE A PRECEDENT ON THE BOOKS. PRESIDENT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. BUT SOMETHING WE COULD POTENTIALLY WORK TOWARDS. YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU COULD MAKE AN INITIATIVE TO WORK TOWARDS. ABSOLUTELY. COULD WE SUGGEST AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT ON, ON THEIR DEVELOPERS? I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. AND I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK SUGGESTION WOULD BE A LOT EASIER THAN THE ACTUAL ACT. THE LONG TERM ACT OF GETTING THAT DONE, THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO BE DONE ON THE BACK END SIMPLY THAN JUST SUGGESTING IT TO GET IT DONE. BUT YEAH, YOU COULD SUGGEST IT TO COUNCIL AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, FIGHT THAT BATTLE TO TRY TO GET IT DONE, HOWEVER LONG THAT TAKES OR WHAT IT TAKES. I MEAN, TO ME, RETROFITTING THE CANALS WOULD REALLY BE HUGE AND WE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONES DOING IT AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COST MUCH AT ALL. THERE'S CERTAIN CONFIGURATIONS FOR IT AND THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO FILTER IT DOWN. BUT I THINK IF WE KEEP THEM CLEAN AND LINE THEM PROPERLY AND JUST MAKE IT A CONSTANT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SHORT OF HUMIDITY. OR PERSPIRATION OR ANY OF THAT STUFF. TO ME THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND IF PALM BAY COULD LEAD THE REST OF THE COUNTY OR THE STATE AND THAT THAT WOULD BE QUITE AN ACHIEVEMENT, I THINK. AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD START ONE AT A TIME AND SEE HOW THAT GOES, BUT IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THE STORMWATER ISSUES ANY WORSE. BECAUSE IF WE DO IT CORRECTLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIRECT LINK INTO THE AQUIFER TO REPLENISH IT. I KNOW UTILITIES IS PLANNING ON PUTTING IN, I THINK IT WAS 2 OR 3 WELLS. THEY WANT TO PUMP IT UP, CLEAN IT AND PUT IT BACK DOWN AND REINJECT IT. IT'S EXPENSIVE. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME AND AND MONEY. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. THE OTHER THING THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT IS TAKING WASTEWATER INTO DRINKING WATER. I'M SORRY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BECAUSE HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT LIKE ANIMALS. WE TAKE ALL KINDS OF MEDICATIONS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO ELIMINATE OR NEUTRALIZE THOSE MEDICATIONS. SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. I WENT TO MY DOCTOR RECENTLY AND I WAS TELLING HIM WHAT I WAS DOING WITH SOIL AND WATER AND MY CONCERNS ABOUT IT. AND HE TOLD ME THAT CHEMO PATIENTS WHO GET INFUSIONS AND THEY STAY IN A HOSPITAL, THAT THE HOSPITALS COLLECT THE URINE FROM THOSE PATIENTS AND THEY REPROCESS THAT CHEMO TO BE USED AGAIN. FOR ONE THING, IT'S DISGUSTING, I THINK. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN GET RID OF EVERYTHING, BECAUSE IT'S A KNOWN FACT THAT HUMAN URINE OR ANY URINE, WHATEVER STEM CELLS ARE IN IT. AND THE LONGER IT SITS AND VEGETATES THOSE STEM CELLS DUPLICATE. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY CHEMO AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE'S DNA IN THERE OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. TO ME, IT'S JUST UNTIL THEY CAN PROVE THAT THERE'S, THEY CAN REALLY ISOLATE ONLY THOSE CHEMICALS. I HAVE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK THE COUNTY THAT WHICH IS LOOKING AT THIS SERIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. THAT'S MY OPINION, THOUGH. IF I MAY, CAN I STEP IN TO MISS JONES'S QUESTION AND TRY TO RELY ON SOME LONGEVITY AND SOME SENIORITY OVER HERE ON THE BOARD. MISS ZIEGLER, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE FIRST BOARD MEETING THAT I ATTENDED IN THE AUDIENCE WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO TODAY. AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY BEING INTERESTED IN PERMEABLE PAVEMENT. [01:20:01] THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD AT THE TIME AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH EXPLORING THAT. COULD YOU SPEAK ON THAT SITUATION? THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. SOME OF THE CONCERNS HAD TO DO WITH THE DURABILITY. AND IN PLACES WHERE THE LONGEVITY OF THE MATERIAL ONCE, BECAUSE THERE ARE PLACES WHERE IT WAS PUT IN AND IT'S EFFECTIVE IN ALLOWING PERCOLATION OF WATER, BUT THEY IT, IT IS NOT A, IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND REPLACED. SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE. I WILL SAY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I SAID TO CITY MANAGER MORTON WHEN I MET HIM WAS THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SALT WATER INCURSION INTO OUR AQUIFERS, AND THAT WE NEEDED MORE PLACES. WE NEEDED TO CONSERVE MORE LAND TO ALLOW FOR STORM WATER REINTRODUCTION INTO THE AQUIFER BECAUSE. SO MOST OF IT WILL EVAPORATE OFF OF SITTING STILL. WATER. YOU NEED A LARGE AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR IT TO EFFECTIVELY PERCOLATE BACK DOWN. AND THE COMPRESSION THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE THE SINKHOLES, YOU DON'T GET THAT SPACE BACK FOR WATER TO PERCOLATE INTO. THE OTHER ISSUES, DATA, DATA CENTERS WERE MENTIONED AND PEOPLE. SHOULD JUST NOT STORE STUFF IN THE CLOUD, GET A THUMB DRIVE. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE EVERY TIME YOU SEND AN EMAIL OR YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL AND REPLIED, IT'S STORED IN TWO PLACES RIGHT THERE ON YOUR COMPUTER. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW. STORE EVERYTHING IN YOUR SENT FILE IS STORED AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR INBOX. IT'S DUPLICATION RIGHT THERE AND ON YOUR PHONE. WHEN YOU TAKE A PICTURE AND YOU SEND IT IN A TEXT, IT'S STORED IN YOUR TEXT CHAIN AND IN YOUR PHOTOS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER DUPLICATION THAT'S UNNECESSARY. AND PLUS, JUST PUT IT ON A THUMB DRIVE. IT'S SAFER THAN BEING IN THE CLOUD WHERE IT CAN BE. HACKED AND USED TO STEAL MONEY FROM YOUR GRANDMOTHER. SO REALLY NOT BIG ON DATA CENTERS, BUT THE REASON THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY'RE GROWING IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE AN APPETITE FOR, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY REALLY FOOLISH VIDEOS AND THINGS. SO THAT'S MY $0.02 ON THAT. I DO WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, ACCORDING TO EMF SOLUTIONS THE EMF WE GET FROM ROUTERS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IN THE AIR, IT IS NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM OTHER THAN SOUND. THE SOUND IS DISTURBING TO ANIMAL LIFE BECAUSE THEIR HEARING IS VERY KEEN. BUT AS FAR AS ITS EFFECT ON HUMAN BEINGS, IT'S ONLY A PROBLEM IF YOU'RE SITTING IN A ROOM ALL DAY SURROUNDED BY COMPUTERS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY RADIATING. BUT OUT IN THE AIR, THERE'S TONS OF IT. IT GOES WAY UP. AND THAT THE ABOVE GROUND STUFF IS NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S WHAT'S IN THE GROUND. OH ONE OTHER THING IS THAT I HEARD A STORY IN THE NEWS ABOUT A LEACHATE COMING OFF LANDFILLS AND THE PEOPLE MANAGING THE LANDFILL AFTER IT HAD BEEN CAPPED. THEY'RE STILL LEACHATE RUNNING OUT, WHICH IS THE. WHEN IT RAINS, ALL THE NASTY STUFF FLOWS THROUGH AND OUT. THEY WANTED TO DRILL AND INJECT IT INTO THE GROUND. AND I DON'T THINK THEY GOT PERMISSION IN THE FIRST ROUND, BUT OF COURSE THEY'VE GOT TO PURSUE BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? IT'S LIKE YOU SAY, ONCE THE WATER IS POLLUTED, IT'S REALLY YOU CAN FILTER THE WATER, BUT YOU STILL HAVE CONCENTRATED POLLUTANTS. SO YEAH, I HAVE A, A LITTLE SIDE THING OFF OF THAT. I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OBTAINING THE BAYSIDE LAKES GOLF COURSE AND POTENTIALLY USING THAT TO RECHARGE OR LIKE INJECT WATER INTO THE GROUND. IS THIS GOING TO BE IMPACTING OUR WATER QUALITY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INJECTING WATER INTO THAT? AND THEN MY SECOND PART OF THAT, I WAS GOING TO ASK DO WE GET OUR WATER IN PALM BAY LIKE THE CITY OF WATER? CITY OF PALM BAY IS WATER THAT GOES THROUGH OUR TO OUR HOMES. IS THAT COMING FROM DIRECTLY FROM UNDERGROUND WELLS HERE IN OUR CITY? BECAUSE IF IT IS AND WE'RE SEEING WHERE WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO A LOWER LEVEL, COULD POTENTIALLY THIS BE AN ISSUE WITH A LEVEL OF SERVICE, MEANING THAT WE CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO BE APPROVING MORE DEVELOPMENT? IT'S BEING PROCESSED. THEY USE IT WELL, BUT IT DOES GET PROCESSED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. [01:25:06] THEY TAKE THE LIME OUT. THEY THEY TRY TO KILL THE BACTERIA IN ONE. THERE'S LIKE 3 OR 4 STAGES. SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST, BUT YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE THINGS THAT IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REALITY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO CAUTION EVERYBODY. BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME. WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 35 MINUTES LEFT, AND WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MEETING LEFT TO GET THROUGH. I THINK HAVING BRINGING YOUR QUESTIONS UP TO UTILITIES WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, UNFORTUNATELY HERE HAS THE CORRECT ANSWERS FOR YOU. BUT THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS TO TRY TO BRING UP TO THE UTILITIES TEAM. ALL RIGHT. I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BRINGING THIS UP. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT WE NEED TO KEEP DISCUSSING. WE SHOULD ASK THEM FOR A TOUR. I'M GOING TO START DOING THOSE TOURS HERE SOON. THAT'S GOOD. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE WHICH IS NOW THREE WATER QUALITY PRESENTATION. UNFORTUNATELY, MR. TUDOR IS NOT HERE. SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS MIGHT BE BRIEF. I'M NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN AS TO WHAT HE WAS PLANNING ON BRINGING UP TONIGHT. BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW, JUST BRIEFLY STATE ON THE RECORD IN JANUARY I HAD A MEETING WITH CITY MANAGER MORTON. I WAS ABLE TO MEET A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR. MR.. MR. GABRIEL BOWDEN I REACHED OUT TO HIM SHORTLY AFTER THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION GOING ON IN THE CITY OR NOT CITY IN COUNTY COMMISSION CHAMBERS ABOUT PFAS AND HOW THOSE ARE AFFECTING BREVARD COUNTY. SO I JUST REACHED OUT TO THE UTILITIES TEAM AND ASKED THEM, HEY, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR WATER QUALITY REPORT THAT WE PUT OUT ANNUALLY. DO WE REPORT ON PFAS? HE DID CONFIRM THAT WE DO AS A CITY REPORT ON PFAS. WE ACTUALLY REPORTED DIRECTLY TO THE EPA. THERE IS A WEBSITE THAT THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO GO ON TO AND LOOK AT WHAT OUR WATER QUALITY LEVELS ARE. SO IF THIS IS A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IT IS PFAS ARE NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD AS TO WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE ON THERE. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THE, THE TOOLS ARE ALREADY THERE. PALM BAY IS ALREADY ON TOP OF IT. THEY ARE REPORTING THIS TO THE EPA. THERE ARE PUBLIC FACING WEBSITES FOR US TO GET THAT INFORMATION. AND WHEN I CHECKED BACK IN FEBRUARY, I'M CHECKING MY EMAIL HERE. I LOOKED IT OVER AND EVERYTHING LOOKED LIKE IT WAS WITHIN THE NORMAL HEALTH LEVELS. SO THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS ON TOP OF THINGS WITH THAT. BUT OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER. IF THERE'S SUGGESTIONS TO BE MADE, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY TRY TO FIND THOSE AND BRING THEM FORWARD. BUT AGAIN, ON THE TOPIC OF WATER QUALITY, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MR. TEODORO WAS PLANNING ON BRINGING, BUT I DO WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW. I DID WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THESE TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE, THE PUBLIC CAN INTERACT WITH THEM. AND THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE. YEAH, I, I CHECKED WITH THEM ABOUT THE PFAS. THEY HAVE ACCEPTABLE LEVELS, BUT THEY'RE NOT TREATING IT FOR PFAS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO GET RID OF IT. BECAUSE I FOLLOWED UP ON THAT, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS. DID I MISS SOMETHING? HE SAID, NO WE'RE NOT. BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT GOVERNMENT THINKS IS OKAY. ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE PFAS IS SOMETHING THAT CROSSES THE BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER, AND IT'S BELIEVED IT'S CAUSING DEMENTIA BECAUSE IT ATTACHES TO THE DENDRITES ON YOUR NEURONS AND THEY CRACK. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH DEMENTIA. COMPARED TO WHEN I WAS A KID. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT HAD THAT PROBLEM. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CALL ACCEPTABLE TO ME. ZERO IS ACCEPTABLE. BUT I AGREE THAT CAN BE KIND OF DEBATABLE. BUT THE EPA HAS THEIR STANDARDS AND THAT IS THE STANDARDS THAT PEOPLE GO TOWARDS. THAT'S A BATTLE THAT IS UNFORTUNATELY OUTSIDE OF THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD'S BREADTH OF POWER. I'D LOVE TO CHASE THE EPA DOWN AND HAVE THEM IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS, BUT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING WE CAN ACCOMPLISH. WE CAN DID WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WATER QUALITY AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS BOARD REPORTS. [OTHER BUSINESS] DO I HAVE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH A BOARD REPORT THIS EVENING? I HAVE ONE. I WAS ASKED TO WORK WITH MRC ON THEIR PLAN FOR THE MANGROVES. I DID VISIT WITH DOCTOR LAURA WILSON, AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHO I HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM FOR SOMETHING THAT [01:30:01] WILL COST US $0. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY, GO AHEAD AND PLANT THEM AND GET A COPY OF THE WHAT'S THAT FORM THAT WE HAVE TO SIGN WHEN WE GO? THE LIABILITY WAIVERS. YEAH. THE LIABILITY WAIVERS, WHICH THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS SIGN IT BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS. BUT THERE'S ZERO COST AND ZERO LIABILITY. I ASKED ABOUT THE INSURANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW. THEY HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE CITY IN ORDER TO PLANT IT. AND IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE THE MANGROVES PROVIDE SHADE WHERE YOU KNOW, THE AQUATIC LIFE CAN PROPAGATE. THEY NEED, THEY NEED COOL WATER IN ORDER BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S MORE OXYGEN IN COOL WATER. VICE CHAIR REAL QUICK, IF I MAY. THEY ALSO REQUIRE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN WRITING. THIS IS ONE OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS AS WELL. YES. YEAH. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. OKAY. ON MY END, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN TAKING LEAD ON THIS, BUT SOME PEOPLE BRING ME INTO STUFF. THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR. I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH HIM ON THURSDAY AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. HE SAID THAT HE HAS BROUGHT FORTH SOME PAPERWORK AND HAS IT IN PROCESS WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT THOSE KIND OF AGREEMENTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ALL NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. I'M HOPING WE GET THOSE BACK SHORTLY BECAUSE WE ARE. THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON MRC BEING ABLE TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE GRANTS OR TO SUBMIT THE GRANT WRITING, I SUPPOSE. BUT I DID WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW AND HAVE IT BE ON THE RECORD. THE CITY IS WORKING ON IT. I FIGURED MRC CAN'T JUST SCRIBBLE ON A PIECE OF PAPER. WE, WE PLAN ON TAKING CARE OF THE MANGROVES. THAT MIGHT NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. BUT SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME OFFICIAL PAPERWORK IN THE PROCESS AND GET THAT TO THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, I HAVE THE PAPERWORK. MY QUESTION IS, DOES THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO APPROVE IT? BECAUSE USUALLY THEIR INVOLVEMENT IS IF IT'S GOING TO COST SOMETHING, THEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. OR IS IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING? YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AS PART OF OUR SHORELINE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR? WE, WE, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN MARCY IN CONTACT WITH THE DIRECTOR. IS HE A DIRECTOR? YEAH. HE'S THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR PARKS AND FACILITIES ON ON THAT. SO THEY'RE EMAILING EACH OTHER BACK AND FORTH, WORKING ON A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO? WELL, THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE. BUT WHAT SHE JUST SAID, IT'S 100% COVERED BY MARCY. YOU KNOW, SO IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION THEN, OR DOES THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT SINCE IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING? YOU DON'T KNOW? OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I DO. THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT IF WE DO GET BACK BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE OUR TIMELINES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT NEEDING TO GET IT IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL BY THE SECOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS THE THIRD WEEK OF OUR THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. OTHERWISE IF WE MISS, WE HAVE BASICALLY HAVE TWO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO GET IT IN FRONT OF THEM, AND WE MIGHT ALREADY BE TOO LATE TO GET IT ON THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS IS OF THE ESSENCE. OTHERWISE MRC WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEIR GRANTS. GRANT WRITING IN, I WAS TOLD BY DOCTOR LAURA, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEPTEMBER 29TH IS WHEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING SUBMITTED. SO PERSONALLY I BELIEVE THE MANGROVE ISSUE DOESN'T NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR ANY KIND OF APPROVAL. I THINK IT'S BEING HANDLED ON THE APPROPRIATE LEVELS. IT'S BEING DONE ON CITY PROPERTY. IT'S, IT'S NOTHING THAT REALLY IMPACTS THE CITY IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT WHERE THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON IT. SO LIKE I SAID, AS IT IS CURRENTLY, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO GO TO COUNCIL. I THINK IT'S BEING HANDLED AT THE APPROPRIATE LEVELS. WELL, I'M READY TO MEET WITH WHOEVER YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON IS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I SAT DOWN WITH DOCTOR WILSON AND I HAD QUESTIONS SO I CAN GIVE MORE DETAIL, I THINK MORE THAN WHAT WAS SENT IN THE PAPERS THAT SHE SENT YOU AND ME. WELL, PERFECT. LET ME FIND OUT WHO THAT IS, AND I'LL. I'LL TRY TO. WE'LL TRY TO WORK SOMETHING UP. OKAY. COOL. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER ON YOUR BOARD REPORT? I THINK I TALKED ENOUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A ANOTHER BOARD REPORT LEFT? RIGHT. YES. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS OR A FEW THINGS HERE. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS I DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE INTERNATIONAL COASTAL CLEANUP THAT I HAD MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING. SINCE THEN, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GETTING IN TOUCH WITH KEEP BREVARD BEAUTIFUL AND WITH OUR CITY STAFF, [01:35:03] WE'VE IDENTIFIED TWO LOCATIONS IN PALM BAY THAT WE CAN UTILIZE FOR THE CLEANUP STEARNS POINT AND CASTAWAY POINT. THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SO THAT'S PRETTY HELPFUL. AND THEN I ALSO KNOW THAT MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL IS ALSO OFFERING, A LOCATION THROUGH THEM. AS FAR AS THIS GOES FOR FOR WHAT WE'LL NEED TO PROVIDE. KB IS GOING TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED FOR THE CLEANUP AS FAR AS SUPPLIES, MATERIALS AND THE DATA COLLECTION, PAPERWORK AND ALL OF THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE SITE CAPTAINS. I'M HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER FOR ONE OF THEM. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING FOR SITE CAPTAIN FOR THE OTHER PARK. THERE IS A SITE CAPTAIN LUNCHEON THAT'S HAPPENING ON SEPTEMBER 10TH. I DON'T HAVE THE TIME YET. IT'S AT THEIR OFFICE UP IN COCOA. I BASED ON PAST YEARS. I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE EVENING. AND THAT WILL BE WHERE WE GO PICK UP OUR SUPPLIES, GET ANY DETAILS SITE CAPTAINS THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT. MY QUESTION FOR STAFF AFTER I GET SOME ANSWERS ON IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HELP WOULD BE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE VOLUNTEER PROCESS. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT FORMS I THINK IT'S THAT LIABILITY FORM AGAIN. IT IS. AND I'M WORKING WITH RISK. THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY WRITE THE FORM FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ACTIVITY. IT'S NOT A GENERIC FORM THAT I CAN JUST HAND OUT. SO ONCE I GET THAT BACK FROM THEM, I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU. AND I DID GET YOU AN EMAIL. UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN AWAY WORKING ON THE MS4 PERMIT. WE JUST HAD THE AUDIT FOR THAT. BUT TO ADDRESS THE OTHER, I CAN EITHER ADDRESS IT IN EMAIL OR WE CAN GO OVER IT. NOW, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED. EMAIL IS FINE IF YOU WANT TO SEND IT TO ME THAT WAY. AND THEN I'LL GET IT SENT OVER TO AMANDA AND WE'LL GET EVERYTHING DONE. I DID NOTICE ON THEIR WEBSITE SOME OF THE PLACES, THE LOCATIONS DO ALREADY HAVE REGISTRATION OF PAGES SET UP. SO I'M GOING TO CLARIFY WITH HER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO ON OUR END OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING KB WILL DO. I NOTICED THIS SUMMER FROM DIFFERENT PLACES. SO I'M GOING TO GET CLARITY ON THAT. THAT'S MY UPDATE FOR THE PROGRAM. DID ANYBODY WANT TO BE A SITE CAPTAIN OR IS IT AVAILABLE THAT DAY JUST TO CONFIRM? AND ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE TUNING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME, SEPTEMBER 19TH IS THE DATE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR INTERNATIONAL COASTAL CLEANUP. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO STEP IN AND BE ONE OF THE SITE CAPTAINS AS WELL. THAT WAY THE BOARD HAS REPRESENTATION AT BOTH OF THE LOCATIONS. SO IF YOU WANT TO PICK ONE, I CAN GO TO THE OTHER. I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE THEY BOTH ARE. I'M NOT TOO PICKY ON WHICH ONE I'M HELPING WITH. OKAY. SITE CAPTAIN INVOLVED PHYSICAL LABOR BECAUSE I'M AN OLD LADY. I BELIEVE YOU'RE KIND OF THERE TO JUST SIGN PEOPLE IN AS THEY SHOW UP AND COLLECT THE DATA. AS IT AS IT COMES IN, I'LL GET MORE INFORMATION. I CAN BE AN ALTERNATE. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO JOIN AND COME OUT AND HELP AS WELL AND, AND BE THERE. THE MORE THE MERRIER. MY OTHER UPDATE WAS GOING TO BE ON THE RAIN BARRELS. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE THAT I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH CARLOS. THE BREVARD COUNTY STORMWATER AND RAIN BARREL PROGRAM THAT HE OFFERS WAS RUN THROUGH A GRANT. THEY HAD A FUNDING FOR 21 WORKSHOPS OVER 13 MONTHS, BUT THAT HAS SINCE ENDED. AND NOW HE HAS FUNDING FOR THREE WORKSHOPS PER YEAR. HE HAS ONE THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON FEST IN MELBOURNE ON OCTOBER 17TH, BUT HE DOES HAVE ONE SLOT AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR, SO HE'S INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE HERE IN PALM BAY TO BRING THAT HERE. HE DID ALSO OFFER TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD ON THE COUNTY'S STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION EDUCATION CONSORTIUM, WHICH I UNDERSTAND INVOLVES SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES. I BELIEVE HE'S ALREADY TALKED TO DEREK ON THIS TOPIC, BUT HE WAS INTERESTED IN COMING TO PRESENT TO US AS A BOARD. SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE HIM TO COME PRESENT. I BELIEVE WE WOULD NEED A MOTION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INVITE CARLOS CUEVAS TO SPEAK ON THE STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION EDUCATION CONSORTIUM. EXCELLENT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. EXCELLENT. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE VERY AGREEABLE ALL THE TIME. WE. YOU USUALLY ARE BIRDS OF A FEATHER, RIGHT? CHRISTINE. I SINCE I'VE ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED, I WILL REACH OUT AND LET HIM KNOW. AND I WILL REACH OUT TO STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT DAY IF THE NEXT MEETING OR SO I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT. AND MY LAST REPORT WAS JUST GONNA BE ON NIMMO GARDENS. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW EARLY IN THE, WHEN I GOT STARTED HERE, I KIND OF VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE THAT ON. BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY NEEDED ME BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB OF MAINTAINING AND ORGANIZING THAT, THAT AREA. THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF PROGRESS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE DOING FOOD TRUCK NIGHTS OUT THERE. I DROVE BY WITH MY KIDS THE OTHER DAY. WE WENT AND SAW ALL THE PICNIC TABLES. THEY HAVE A WELL OUT THERE. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I'M VERY IMPRESSED AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONTINUE TO. WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPAND THAT INITIATIVE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF OUR CITY AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THINGS LIKE THAT. [01:40:02] SO THANK YOU. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON THAT. I WANT TO CHIME IN AND KIND OF AMPLIFY THAT MESSAGE IF THERE'S ANYBODY WATCHING OUT TONIGHT WHO HAS CITY OWNED SPACE NEAR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WILLING TO TAKE ON SOME HARD WORK THEY MOW IT EVERY WEEK, THEY GO OUT THERE. WE'VE DONE BRAZILIAN PEPPER BUSTING WITH THEM INVASIVE SPECIES REMOVALS, CLEANED UP THINGS. THEY'VE MOVED TREES AND STUFF. SO IT'S VERY NICE. SO IF ANYBODY IS WATCHING OUT THERE TONIGHT, THEY HAVE SOME CITY OWNED SPACE IN THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE USING THIS FRAMEWORK TO IMPROVE A SPACE IN THEIR AREA AND USE IT FOR COMMUNITY. PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ONE OF US ON THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, AND WE WILL GLADLY ASSIST YOU IN WAYS THAT WE CAN. MISS ZIEGLER, DO YOU HAVE A BOARD REPORT TONIGHT? NO, NO. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT LEAVES MR. TALKER HERE FOR 20 MINUTES. I WILL TRY NOT TO USE IT ALL. SO FOR MY BOARD REPORT, FIRST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP. I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY A COUPLE OF CITIZENS WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. THEY HAD CONCERNS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BROUGHT UP TO THE BOARD TONIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT IN PERSON FOR VARIOUS REASONS. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VOICES WERE HEARD AND THAT WE DID BRING IT UP TO THEM. THE FIRST ONE WAS A GREAT IDEA THAT WAS FLOATED TO ME. AS WE ALL KNOW, WE ARE GOING THROUGH CAMPAIGNS CAN CAMPAIGN SEASON RIGHT NOW. WE HAD THE PRIMARIES JUST RECENTLY. WE HAVE THE GENERAL ELECTION COMING UP. THERE ARE GOING TO BE CAMPAIGN SIGNS EVERYWHERE. AND CAMPAIGN SIGNS EVERYWHERE MEANS EVENTUAL JUNK EVERYWHERE. THESE CAMPAIGN SIGNS DO NOT LAST FOREVER. THE CAMPAIGNS END. SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CAMPAIGN SIGNS AFTERWARDS? ARE THE CITIZENS SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK INTO A PROJECT FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION. IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE IN THAT TIME, I DO KNOW THAT IT IS A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. RIGHT NOW REPUBLIC SERVICES, WHENEVER THESE SIGNS GET THROWN IN HAULS THEM OFF TO THE DUMP AND THEY GET THROWN UNDER THE DUMP JUST LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE TRASH. THERE HAVE BEEN PROJECTS PREVIOUSLY IN THE PAST THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS HAS RAN A PROJECT PREVIOUSLY. SO THEY MIGHT BE A GOOD POINT OF CONTACT FOR US TO REACH OUT TO ON RECYCLING THE SIGNAGE MATERIALS, THE METAL STAKES THAT GO DOWN INTO THE GROUND. THOSE CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE SIGNS AND THOSE COULD POTENTIALLY BE RECYCLED. THERE ARE TWO COMPANIES IN BREVARD COUNTY THAT DO METAL RECYCLING. SO IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO EXPLORE WITH THEM. GENERALLY THOUGH, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD ANY INTEREST IN DEVELOPING OR HELPING DEVELOP A PROGRAM FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION OR INTO THE FUTURE IF WE HAPPEN TO MISS THE GENERAL ELECTION. AND I DID THINK THAT THAT WAS A WORTHWHILE THING TO BRING UP TO THE BOARD. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY EXPLORE MOVING FORWARD. IT WAS. THE SECOND THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP FOR THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY WAS GOING TO BE THE UPCOMING SEWER CHANGES. THERE IS THE ANAEROBIC SEWER OR SEPTIC CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MANDATED IN 2030. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG WAY OUT, BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR CHANGES TO YOUR PROPERTY, LIKE SEPTIC CONVERSIONS THE SOONER YOU KNOW, THE BETTER. I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION GOING AROUND ON NEXT DOOR. THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY OF ADVISORY BOARD CAN BRING SOME EDUCATION AND SOME AWARENESS INTO THE SEPTIC TO SEWER CHANGES THAT ARE GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PALM BAY. WHAT BREVARD COUNTY HAS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE AND WHAT THE OVERALL PROCESS IS FROM GOING TO A STANDARD SEPTIC SYSTEM TO AN ANAEROBIC SEPTIC SYSTEM IN THE LEAD UP TO THAT TIME FRAME. SO SHE WANTED TO REACH OUT TO US AND LET US KNOW ABOUT THAT AND POTENTIALLY WORK WITH OUR UTILITIES. SO IF WE ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF CONTACTING UTILITIES FOR THE WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT. WE MAY WANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT. IN MY JANUARY MEETING, I ALSO HAD THE THE HEAD OF FACILITIES UTILITIES. I KEEP MESSING THE TWO UP IN THAT MEETING IN JANUARY. AND I GOT TO MEET HIM AND HE KIND OF GAVE ME THE FUTURE. GO AHEAD ON SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS PLANNING ON DOING IN THE LONG RUN. ONCE THE SOUTH WASTEWATER RECLAMATION FACILITY GOT FULLY UP AND RUNNING. SO I KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED, WHICH IS PROBABLY DELAYED THE CITY'S PLANS FOR DOING THINGS. SO I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD IS IN ON THAT, SHARING THAT INFORMATION WHERE WE CAN I HAVE NOT VENTURED INTO NEXT DOOR. I GUESS THAT'S MY NEXT BRAVE NEW WILDERNESS TO TRYING TO EDUCATE THE POPULACE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WISH ME LUCK. SO HOPEFULLY WE AS A BOARD CAN KIND OF PARTAKE IN THAT AND BE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO TOPICS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GOT IN TONIGHT. NOW FOR THE THINGS THAT DOUG WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. [01:45:02] FIRST OFF IS PROBABLY LAST OFF. FIRST OFF IS GOING TO BE FOR. I JUST GOT THE EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON. I WAS APPROACHED BY BREVARD INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. THEY WERE ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM MYSELF AS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD AND AS WELL AS THE BOARD IF THEY CAME ALONG FOR CONNECTING THE DOTS, NOT NECESSARILY TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE IN IT. SO I WAS ABLE TO GET THEM POINTED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND CONNECTED WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE. THEIR APPLICATION FOR AN EVENT ON OCTOBER 4TH AT GOOD PARK HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY AS OF THIS MORNING. SO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS A LAGOON FAMILY FUN DAY. IT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON FROM 9:00 TO 4 P.M. ON OCTOBER 4TH AGAIN. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT AND EDUCATION OF THE SORREL PROGRAM. WE'RE THE, THEY PLAN ON HAVING MARINE RESOURCES COUNCILS OUT THERE. THE BREVARD INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION WILL OBVIOUSLY BE OUT THERE. THERE WILL BE SPEAKERS AVAILABLE. THERE WILL BE EVENTS FOR CHILDREN. THERE'S A GREAT PLAYGROUND THERE AT GOOD PARK. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR PARTNERSHIP WITH ECO TOURISM ORGANIZATIONS TO GO OUT AND BRING PEOPLE OUT ON THE WATER AND MAKE THAT CONNECTION, DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE LAGOON, TO TURKEY CREEK. AND BASICALLY TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT SORREL HAS BEEN FOR BREVARD COUNTY FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. AS PEOPLE MAY NOT BE AWARE THE LAGOON HAD MASSIVE ALGAE BLOOMS IN 2016, CAUSED MASSIVE FISH KILLS. THAT IS WHAT LED ULTIMATELY TO THE SOLAR PROJECT. AND THE CITIZENS OF BREVARD COUNTY CHOOSING TO TAX THEMSELVES A HALF CENT SALES TAX DIRECTLY TO SUPPORT THE LAGOON. SINCE 2016, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY MAJOR ALGAE BLOOMS. WE ARE STARTING TO ACTUALLY SEE NEW GROWTH IN LAGOON OF SEAGRASSES. I HAD PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMPLETELY BAFFLED BECAUSE THEY SAW THE BOTTOM OF LAGOON FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20, 30 YEARS. AND THEY WERE LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THAT? IT'S BECAUSE THEY COULD ACTUALLY SEE THROUGH THE WATER AND SEE THE BOTTOM. AND THEY HAD NOT DONE THAT IN DECADES. NOW THEY PUT SAND ON TOP OF IT. WELL, THERE WERE THERE ARE CLEAR WATER SPOTS ON THE THE SCIENCE SHOWS. SO I JUST WANTED TO INFORM THE BOARD OF IT INVITE THE PARTICIPANTS WATCHING US TONIGHT. IF THERE'S ANY CITY STAFF, IF PUBLIC WORKS WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED, I'M SURE THE BREVARD INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO HAVE A TABLE OUT THERE AND TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOUR INITIATIVE MAY BE. AND I ALSO WANTED TO INVITE THE BOARD. I HAVE, WHILE I CONNECTED THE DOTS WITH THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION AND AS I AM WANT TO DO, I HAVE BEEN SUCKED INTO IT QUITE HEAVILY. SO I AM GOING TO BE OUT THERE RUNNING MY BUTT OFF TRYING TO HELP THEM ORGANIZE EVERYTHING AND RUN THE EVENT IN GENERAL. SO I WON'T NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME TABLING DONE WITH THAT. SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT, I WELCOME YOU AS WELL. I WILL PROBABLY BE RUNNING AROUND LIKE A CHICKEN WITH MY HEAD CUT OFF, GOING 9 MILLION DIRECTIONS. I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER AT MRC FOR A WHILE, SO. EXCELLENT. YEAH, I KNOW MRC IS GOING TO BE TABLING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO HAVE A PRESENCE THERE AS WELL SEPARATE FROM MRC. AND IF PUBLIC WORKS SHOWS UP, THEY MIGHT GRACIOUSLY LEND US A CHAIR TO SIT DOWN AT. YEAH, CRAIG'S ALREADY BEEN IN TOUCH WITH US. WE'LL PROBABLY BE THERE AS WELL. EXCELLENT. YEP. GOOD TO HEAR. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT ENDS MY BOARD REPORT. THE NEXT THING THAT IS USUALLY ON THE AGENDA BUT ISN'T, IS THE ITEM OR MEETINGS OF INTEREST. [Additional Item 2] I KIND OF ROLLED INTO THAT WITH THE LAGOON FEST. WE TALKED ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THE INTERNATIONAL COASTAL CLEANUP SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP REAL QUICK THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING ENDS. AUGUST 29TH AND SEPTEMBER 12TH. IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING AT STONE MIDDLE, WHICH IS LOCATED IN PALM BAY THERE IS A NATIVE PLANT PRAIRIE THERE AT STONE MIDDLE. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE TO ASSIST WITH MAINTAINING IT CLEANING OUT WEEDS AND STUFF. I WILL BE THERE AT THE AUGUST 29TH EVENT, BUT I'M NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN I WILL MAKE IT TO THE SEPTEMBER 12TH EVENT BECAUSE OF THE OTHER EVENT THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHICH IS ALSO HAPPENING ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, WHICH IS THE TURTLE CRAWL FIVE K THAT'S DOWN IN INDIALANTIC. SO NOT NECESSARILY PALM BAY. BUT IT DOES TIE INTO SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS. THE PROCEEDS DO DIRECTLY GO TOWARDS SEA TURTLE CONSERVATION AND PROTECTIONS. IT'S A FUN LITTLE EVENT. I'M LAZY AND I DON'T RUN IT, I WALK IT AND THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PARTAKE IN THE TURTLE CRAWL FIVE K, THAT IS SEPTEMBER 12TH. ANOTHER EVENT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AS MY FEELERS GO OUT INTO THE WORLD IS THE SEPTEMBER 26TH THERE AT FRED POPPY PARK HERE IN PALM BAY. THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EVENT HOSTED BY THE SOUTH BREVARD NAACP, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MIC CHECK THE VOTE. [01:50:06] I HEARD ABOUT THIS THROUGH LITTLE GROWERS PARTNERSHIP THAT I HAVE WITH THEM. IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EVENT. THEY ARE CHARGING PEOPLE FOR TABLES FOR THAT. IF YOU ARE SELLING SOMETHING. HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS ENVIRONMENTAL OR INTERESTED IN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, SUCH AS THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD OR EVEN PUBLIC WORKS WOULD MOST LIKELY QUALIFY FOR IT. THE TABLES ARE FREE. FOR THAT EVENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR SEPTEMBER 26TH. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE SHORTLY AFTER OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING POTENTIALLY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT THAT OUT IN THE ETHOS THAT WAY. THE DATE IS ALREADY SET FOR IT. AND THEN THE LAST EVENT THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE FURTHER OUT IS OCTOBER 10TH. LITTLE GROWERS AGAIN. ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS I WORK WITH, THEY HAVE A FOOD FOREST THAT IS RIGHT ON THE MELBOURNE PALM BAY LINE. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOME ASSISTANCE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A FOURTH DAY OF CLEANING OUT WORKING OUT THERE. I'M GOING TO BE HELPING THEM MOVE SOME NATIVE PLANTS AROUND IN CIRCLES AND CLEAN UP THE GARDEN BED. IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT, THAT'S A GREAT VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION. AND ALSO OCTOBER 10TH, SURFRIDER FOUNDATION IS LOOKING FOR A THEIR OCEAN FRIENDLY GARDENS CLEANUP VOLUNTEERS AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY MORE EVENTS. OH, ONE LAST LITTLE PLUG. ALL THESE EVENTS ARE POSTED ON THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD'S CALENDAR. TINYURL.COM/PBAPBSA CALENDAR. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THOSE ON THERE. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, GO OUT THERE. LOOK AT THAT CALENDAR. I TRY TO KEEP IT AS UPDATED AS I CAN, AND WITH THE LAST TEN MINUTES OF THE MEETING, [UPCOMING MEETINGD/EVENTS OF INTEREST (INFORMATIONAL). ] WE WILL BRING UP THE LAST AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE SEPTEMBER SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING DATES. AS SOME OF US MAY KNOW CITY COUNCIL WILL BE USING THIS CHAMBER FOR A PUBLIC BUDGET HEARING THAT THE EVENING OF OUR NORMALLY SCHEDULED SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. SO DO WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTED DATES THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FROM? DOUG. YES. SO I SPOKE WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THEY GAVE ME DATES FOR SEPTEMBER THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE. OKAY. I HAVE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH. I HAVE MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH, FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH. TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND AND THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THOSE DAYS MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE. ANOTHER DAY. OH, SORRY. THE 24TH IS NOT AVAILABLE. PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO BE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING IN THIS IN THIS CHAMBER. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO COME. IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED OR IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED, SO YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO IT LOOKS LIKE OUR CHOICES ARE GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 8TH, SEPTEMBER 14TH, SEPTEMBER 18TH OR SEPTEMBER 22ND. I CAN SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT I AM NOT AVAILABLE ON SEPTEMBER 22ND. SO MISS F, IF WE HOLD A MEETING THAT DAY, YOU WILL BE RUNNING IT. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO BE CROSSING OFF THE 22ND. WHICH LEAVES US SEPTEMBER 8TH, 14TH OR 18TH. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WITH A PREFERENCE ON ANY OF THEM? I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE 18TH. NOT THAT I WANT TO GIVE UP ONE OF MY FRIDAY EVENINGS. BUT THAT IS USUALLY EASIER FOR ME THAN A MONDAY. MONDAY THE 14TH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CONRADINA CHAPTERS IN OUR MONTHLY MEETING. SO I'LL, I'D CHOOSE YOU GUYS OVER THE CONRADINA, BUT I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO CHOOSE. AND THEN THE EIGHTH I'M OPEN. SO MY TWO BEST DATES WOULD BE THE SEPTEMBER 8TH AND SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 18TH, 14TH. I COULD, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY DAY I HAVE. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? I'M AVAILABLE FOR THE EIGHTH, 14TH OR 18TH. I DO PREFER NOT TO DO THE EIGHTH IF POSSIBLE, IF I MAY INTERJECT. YES. THE FEAR OF DOING AN EARLIER SEPTEMBER MEETING MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO SOON COMPARED FROM THIS ONE. IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IF WE CAN'T DO IT AT LEAST THREE WEEKS OUT, MAYBE POSSIBLY CANCELING THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. YES. YEAH. I WAS OF THE SAME MINDSET. I DON'T THINK SEPTEMBER 8TH IS A VIABLE CHOICE. JUST BECAUSE A WEEK AND A HALF OR TWO WEEKS AWAY. EXACTLY. WELL, MISS UPSET, SHE'S ONLY AVAILABLE TO 14TH. SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE THAT GOOD, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? THE EIGHTH OR THE OR THE 14TH OR THE 18TH. [01:55:03] I CAN'T, I CAN'T. TUESDAYS AREN'T A GOOD NIGHT FOR ME. OKAY. 14TH IS A MONDAY. 14TH IS A TUESDAY. YEAH. MONDAY. WELL, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS TUESDAYS AREN'T GOOD. I CAN TRY FOR OTHER. DON'T WANT TO. IF IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. IF WE COULD NOT HAVE IT ON A FRIDAY NIGHT. I HATE TO ASK STAFF TO COME IN ON A FRIDAY NIGHT. SO. SO MONDAY THE 14TH. YEP. SOUNDS LIKE MONDAY THE 14TH IS GOING TO BE OUR CHOICE. YES. YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD FOR ME. WELL, OKAY. FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE WILL NEED A MOTION QUICKLY. I'M MOVED TO MAKE OUR NEXT MEETING ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH. EXCELLENT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DID I HEAR AN EXCUSE ME FROM STAFF? I JUST IT'S JUST TWO WEEKS. IT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS. IT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS AWAY. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. YOU HAVE THINGS TO DISCUSS, AND WE NEED TO WORK. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE MEETING. THE SEPTEMBER MEETING TO MONDAY THE 14TH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. WE'RE SO IN SYNC. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO AN ADJOURNMENT AT 7:57 P.M.. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.