Sep 17, 2026 Council Meetings - Regular

I'M CALLING THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING 2026-25 TO ORDER.

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AND COUNCILMAN MIKE HAMMER WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

ALRIGHT. PASTOR, TAKE YOUR LIBERTY, SIR. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND TO PRAY FOR YOU.

WE'RE INSTRUCTED TO DO THAT IN THE SCRIPTURE, SO WE'LL DO THAT.

FATHER, WE LOVE YOU AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

WITH THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL AND WITH ALL THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO DISCUSS AND TO LEARN THINGS ABOUT OUR CITY AND THE PROCESSES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.

WE PRAY FOR THE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT, AND WE PRAY, LORD, FOR THE DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE.

AND WE JUST COMMIT THIS HOUR TO YOU IN OUR SAVIOR'S NAME.

AMEN. AMEN, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HURRAH! I'M NOT SURE YOU DO, BUT.

SEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET THAT DECORUM STATEMENT UP THERE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DECORUM STATEMENTS ON YOUR VISION SCREENS.

MADAM JONES, ROLL CALL. MAYOR MEDINA PRESENT.

DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

PRESENT. MR.. MORTON. PRESENT. MISS SMITH. PRESENT.

WE NOW ON AGENDA REVISIONS, MR. MORTON. THANK YOU.

[AGENDA REVISIONS:]

BY REQUEST OF STAFF, PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER SIX IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE TABLED TO TEN ONE.

HOLD ON. ITEM EIGHT UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCE 2020 632 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

ITEM NINE UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCE 2020 639 HAS BEEN REVISED TO REMOVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENT RELATED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S DECISION FOR ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES. AND LASTLY, DISCUSSION REGARDING EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS WAS ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU. MADAM SMITH, ANY REVISIONS? NO, SIR. COUNCIL. ANY REVISIONS? YES, MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THESE ITEMS RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

PUBLIC HEARING TWO, THREE. FOUR AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

PUBLIC HEARING. TWO, THREE, FOUR AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

YES, SIR. I NEED A SECOND. WHEN YOU SAID BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU SAID AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SECOND. SO YOU WANT BEFORE OR AFTER? EITHER WAY IS FINE FOR ME, HONESTLY.

ARE YOU SAYING I PREFER BEFORE? YEAH. SO AT LEAST THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

YEAH. WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND THERE, MIKE SOLOMON.

MY EMOTION TO MAKE IT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER, YOU STILL GOOD WITH THAT? NO.

I'M NOT. I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY BEFORE OUR DISCUSSION THERE.

ANY COMMENT ON THAT AGENDA ITEM? OKAY, THEN THAT'S FINE.

OKAY, SO I'VE GOT A MOTION. SO ARE YOU SECONDING IT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. WE'RE NOW ON PROCLAMATIONS.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]

IT IS HUMAN RESOURCES PROFESSIONAL DAY ON SEPTEMBER 26TH.

COME ON UP, GUYS. WHAT ARE THOSE PICTURES? THAT'S COOL.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS, HUMAN RESOURCES PROFESSIONAL DAY, OBSERVED ANNUALLY ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED IN 1983 TO RECOGNIZE THE ESSENTIAL

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WHEREAS, PAYROLL SPECIALISTS FAITHFULLY ENSURE THE PRECISE AND TIMELY DELIVERY OF COMPENSATION, THEREBY PRESERVING THE TRUST, CONFIDENCE AND OPERATIONAL CONTINUITY THAT UPHOLDS THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR ORGANIZATION.

AND WHEREAS BENEFITS AND WELLNESS PROFESSIONALS SUPPORT PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL, AND FINANCIAL WELL-BEING EMPLOYEES BY ADMINISTRATING COMPREHENSIVE LEAVE OF ABSENCE AND BENEFIT PROGRAMS AND LEADING INITIATIVES THAT FOSTER HEALTHIER AND MORE ENGAGED WORKPLACE. AND WHEREAS, THE HR TEAM SERVES AS A RELIABLE, AS RELIABLE PARTNERS TO BOTH EMPLOYEES AND LEADERSHIP.

GUIDING ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH THE GROWTH, CHANGE AND CHALLENGES WITH PROFESSIONALISM, EMPATHY, INTEGRITY AND HEART. WHEREAS THE DEDICATION, PROFESSIONAL AND INTEGRITY OF HR TEAMS HELP EMPLOYEES THRIVE, GUIDE ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH TIMES OF CHANGE AND CONTRIBUTE PROFOUNDLY TO THE CITY'S LONG TERM SUCCESS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, RON MEDINA, MAYOR OF THIS GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH THAT THAT'S ADLIB.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW. BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM HUMAN RESOURCES PROFESSIONAL DAY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THE HR, PAYROLL, BENEFITS AND WELLNESS PROFESSIONALS WHO MAKE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE EACH AND EVERY DAY.

I SET MY HAND ON THIS 17TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2026.

CONGRATULATIONS, HR PROFESSIONALS. WHO'S RECEIVING THE PROCLAMATION? CONGRATULATIONS. IT'S YOUR TURN. HI. THANK YOU. THIS IS AWESOME. MY NAME IS LAURA CLAUSSEN.

I'M THE HR DIRECTOR, AND I HAVE THE AMAZING HONOR OF LEADING THIS WONDERFUL GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS.

HUMAN RESOURCES. MUCH OF WHAT WE DO IS DONE SILENTLY IN THE BACKGROUND, SUPPORTING THE EMPLOYEES WHO SO CLEARLY SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WELL.

ON ANY GIVEN DAY, WE GO FROM RECRUITING TO BENEFITS TO EMPLOYEE RELATIONS TO EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOLIDAY PAY AND A PAID HOLIDAY.

AND THAT'S ALL JUST BEFORE LUNCH. IT CAN BE CHALLENGING WORK, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY REWARDING WORK.

AND I'M SO PROUD OF THIS TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND THEIR HEART AND THAT THEY BRING EVERYTHING THEY HAVE EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY TO WHAT THEY DO. SO THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING HR, AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE HERE FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T COME IN TODAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY SEE ME? YES. ALL RIGHT.

ONE. TWO. THREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD. MISS CLAUSEN. IT'S LIKE. IT'S LIKE CHURCH.

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NEXT, I WANT TO CALL UP OUR FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, TIM LANCASTER.

COME ON UP, SIR. YEAH, YEAH. HE'S GIVING. GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.

TIM IS HE'S GIVING A PRETTY MUCH HIS ENTIRE LIFE TO THE CITY OF SERVICE.

BUT EVEN MORE OVER THAN THAT, EVEN THOUGH HE SERVED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, HE CONTINUES TO SERVE ON OUR PENSION AS A VOLUNTEER, OUR PENSION TRUST FUND. AND AND YOU HAVE TO COMMEND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT GIVE COUNTLESS TIME AND HONOR TO DEDICATE TO THE CITY AS THEY CONTINUE.

SO, BROTHER, I KNOW YOU'RE RETIRED, BUT YOU'RE REALLY NOT RETIRED IN 20 YEARS, BROTHER.

WE WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO ON OUR BEHALF.

SO IN GRATEFUL APPRECIATION FOR YOUR 20 YEARS OF OUTSTANDING, DEDICATED VOLUNTEER SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR THE COUNTLESS CONTRIBUTIONS YOU'VE MADE FOR THE BENEFITS OF OTHERS AS A VOLUNTEER, YOU HAVE DEVOTED YOUR TIME, KNOWLEDGE, AND ENERGY TO IMPROVING THE WELL-BEING OF YOUR FELLOW RESIDENTS AND ADVANCING THE WELFARE OF ALL OUR CITIZENS.

YOUR TIRELESS SERVICE, GIVEN WITHOUT EXPECTATION OF RECOGNITION, REMUNERATION OR PERSONAL GAIN, REFLECTS THE VERY BEST OF COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND PUBLIC SERVICE.

BROTHER. SO WITH WITH THIS I DO HAVE A VOLUNTEER PEN, BUT IT'S JUST A SMALL TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION, CONTINUED LOYALTY, COMMITMENT AND DEDICATED SERVICE FOR FAITHFULLY RENDERING TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY WITH GRATITUDE AND ADMIRATION FOR 20 YEARS OF THAT OF THAT SERVICE. HERE IS YOU. YOU GOT SOMETHING SPECIAL, THOUGH, COMMANDER? YEAH. NOT ONLY DO YOU GET A PEN, A PEN, YOU ALSO GET A PEN ENGRAVED ALSO HAS YOUR NAME ON IT.

SO HERE, HERE'S THE PEN AND YOU COULD OPEN THAT WHENEVER YOU LIKE.

I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO STAY UP HERE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO CALL A FEW OTHERS OF YOUR COMRADES AS WELL.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. SO I LIKE TO CALL UP THE NEXT IS RAINIER HERE, RAINIER WARNER. THERE HE IS.

COME ON UP, RAINIER. COME ON UP. FOR TEN YEARS OF SERVICE.

AND JAMES BROCK, COME ON UP, JAMES. I RECENTLY MET JAMES AND I'M REALLY FOND OF HIM ALREADY 15 YEARS OF SERVICE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GIVE IT UP FOR THESE MEN.

I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE THIS HERE IS A JERRY GARCIA TIE.

ISN'T THAT AWESOME? ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, BUDDY.

GOD BLESS YOU. SO IN GRATEFUL APPRECIATION FOR YOUR CONTINUING, OUTSTANDING AND DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS YOU OFFER FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS, AS A VOLUNTEER, YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE WELL-BEING OF OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS AND THE WELFARE OF ALL OUR CITIZENS BY GIVING TIRELESSLY OF YOUR TIME, ENERGY WITHOUT DESIRE FOR RECOGNITION, REMUNERATION, OR PERSONAL GAIN. AND I WILL FOREVER BE INDEBTED TO YOU GUYS AND YOU TO RAINIER.

TEN YEARS. TEN YEARS. HOW OLD ARE YOU? I'M JUST KIDDING. THIS VOLUNTEER PEN IS BUT A SMALL TOKEN OF YOUR APPRECIATION THIS MONTH FOR YOUR CONTINUED, LOYAL, DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE FAITHFULLY RENDERED TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. REYNIER. FOR TEN YEARS AND MR. BROCK 15 YEARS. GOD BLESS YOU. YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

THANK YOU, MR. BROCK. YOU'RE NEXT. GO AHEAD SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S EASY TO DO IT WHEN YOU'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE LIKE MR. LANCASTER WORKING WITH YOU AND GUIDING YOU ALL THE WAY.

THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO SERVE THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. WELL, I DIDN'T WRITE A SPEECH, BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING, BUT I'M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO THE CITY FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE.

AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU ALL AND OUR COMMUNITY. VERY NICE.

THE PASTOR OF MY CHURCH. OH YEAH. I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH HIS BOYS.

JUST GIVE HIM A BOOST. THERE YOU GO. IT'S NOT ME. IT'S ME THIS TIME.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BROTHER.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU, BROTHER. THANK YOU.

HEY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULD BE REMISS IF IF I DIDN'T MENTION WE HAVE THE TOP COP OF OUR COUNTY RIGHT HERE, SHERIFF WAYNE IVEY. PLEASE, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU AND YOUR SERVICE, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. SIR, SHERIFF IVEY SERVED THIS, THIS CITY, AND.

AND HE WAS ALSO THE RESIDENT IN CHARGE BEFORE HE BECAME SHERIFF WITH FDLE.

SO HE'S GOT A LONG, OUTSTANDING LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER.

AND HIS SON CONTINUES TO SERVE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU, SIR.

WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY. THE SACRIFICES THAT YOU PUT ON THE LINE EACH AND EVERY DAY, ALONG WITH YOUR MEN AND WOMEN, SIR. THANK YOU. GIVE IT UP FOR.

OKAY, SO YOU WANTED BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT, SIR? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MADAM SMITH.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

DASH 40 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOTS 12 AND 13 BLOCK 1900 PORT MALABAR, UNIT 26, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 16, PAGES 84 THROUGH 90.

THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND, MR. MORTON, I GUESS, ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC WORKS THIS IS THE VACATION OF TEN FEET OF THE 20 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

STAFF HAS NO ADVERSE COMMENTS AND THIS IS TO BRING AN EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO COMPLIANCE.

THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

DON'T GO FAR, SIR. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? BY SHOW OF HANDS. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. MORGAN. MR. MORGAN BEFORE ME READ QUASI-JUDICIAL. I'M SORRY IF I CAN READ THE QUASI.

AS YOU. AS YOU WERE, MA'AM. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, MISS SMITH, ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS, AGENDA ITEMS, NUMBERS THREE AND FIVE.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY IN SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, STAFF WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT THAN ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNSEL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED. CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUEST OF A PARTY, TO THE PROCEEDING. THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

COUNSEL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFER TO MR. MORTON. THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE ALTHEA JEFFERSON, OUR DIRECTOR, HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE A SHORT PRESENTATION.

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MR. BUSTAMANTE REVEALED, BUT IT WAS NOT IN HIS APPLICATION THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRE THE DECK OF THE POOL TO BE AS WIDE AS THE DEPTH, WHICH IS A GREAT FACTOR THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF IN THE BUILDING CODE.

AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THANK YOU MA'AM.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SEEING NONE. DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NUMBER THREE. PUBLIC HEARING THREE.

NO. MAYOR. NONE. OKAY. ARE WE CERTAIN BEFORE I CLOSE IT, THE CARDS.

OKAY. NOT EVEN THE APPLICANT? NO. NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MISS SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2026-41, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR TEN FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT EIGHT, BLOCK 916, PORT MALABAR, UNIT 18, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15, PAGES 109 THROUGH 119 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC WORKS, THIS IS THE VACATION OF THE EASEMENT FOR THE STRUCTURE YOU JUST APPROVED, AND STAFF HAS NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FOR THE VACATING OF THESE. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SEEING NONE. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION. SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

WE ARE NOW ON UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER ONE.

[UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS:]

TO BUTTONS.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. COMMUNITY.

SHERIFF IVEY, EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT? OUR DISPATCHERS.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I WAS GIVEN AROUND 30 DAYS.

MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, TO GET SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER AND ESSENTIALLY ATTEMPT TO ANSWER A QUESTION AS COUNCIL POSED, WHICH SHOULD PALM BAY REGIONALIZED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.

SO THAT ISSUE, THAT QUESTION WAS EXAMINED, EXAMINED ALONG THREE CASES.

WE LOOKED AT A BUSINESS CASE SCENARIO, LOOKED AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CASE SCENARIO, AND WE LOOKED AT JUST GENERAL DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GATHER, OF COURSE, IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU WILL FIND OR WHAT YOU WILL FIND IN THE RESEARCH, IN THE CASE STUDIES AND ALL THE REPORTS, THERE IS NO PERFECT 911 SYSTEM. AND ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE A PERFECT NINE ONE SYSTEM, IT'S PROBABLY A MYTH.

SYSTEMS ARE CONSTANTLY IN A STATE OF EVOLUTION. THEY'RE CONSTANTLY IN A STATE OF ADAPTING TO NEW TECHNOLOGY, NEW IMPERATIVES, NEW REQUIREMENTS, CHANGING CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, IN THE WORLD, NEW USES AND IMPLEMENTATIONS OF TECHNOLOGY, NEW WAYS PEOPLE ARE CONTACTING 911 SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE IS ALWAYS THROWING NEW CHALLENGES AT US, NEW EVOLUTIONS AND UPDATES, NEW WAYS. THE SYSTEM IS BEING USED BY BOTH RESIDENTS AND BY THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT USE IT.

SO IN THAT LIGHT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE EARLY THEORIES THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS REGIONALIZATION OR CONCLUSIONS WE CAME TO WAS REGIONALIZATION SHOULD BE JUDGED, AMONG OTHER THINGS, OF COURSE, FIRST, BY CITIZEN OUTCOMES.

WHAT ARE WE DELIVERING TO THE COMMUNITY COST? THAT'S DEFINITELY A FACTOR. RESILIENCE OF THE SYSTEM.

AND THEN ACCOUNTABILITY. WHERE DOES ACCOUNTABILITY LIE? WHO HAS IT? AND ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT EMERGED AS WE DID THE REVIEW,

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THAT'S A QUESTION I THINK COUNCIL KEEPS ASKING IS WHERE WHAT ARE THE DETAILS OF THIS? IS THAT REGIONALIZATION REGIONALIZATION DESERVES SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.

NOW, I WILL SAY, WHEN I WAS DOWN IN BROWARD COUNTY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST 911 CENTERS IN THE STATE, WE WENT DOWN AND VISITED AND TALKED TO THEIR OPERATION, AND ALSO THAT THEIR DIRECTOR, TRACY JACKSON IS DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF REGIONALIZATION.

BUT HE SAID, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT REGIONALIZATION FROM A COST BASIS ALONE, YOU'RE NOT ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTION, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO THAT WAS GREAT INFORMATION TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND START ASKING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO AGAIN, THAT ESSENTIAL QUESTION SHOULD PALM BAY CONTINUE OPERATING ITS OWN POLICE COMMUNICATIONS FUNCTION OR CONTRACT WITH BCSO FOR REGIONALIZED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION? AND THAT FIRST SENTENCE DON'T GLOSS OVER IT. SHOULD WE OPERATE POLICE COMMUNICATIONS? WE DO NOT OPERATE FIRE OR EMERGENCY MEDICAL. NOW, THOSE ARE ALREADY HOUSED IN BREVARD COUNTY, SHERIFF. THOSE ARE ALREADY UP IN IN THAT REGIONAL COMMAND CENTER.

THEY ARE NOT HOUSED HERE IN PALM BAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STANDALONE AT THIS POINT POLICE FUNCTION.

AND THAT BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT. SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE LOOKED AT OR TRIED TO EVALUATE WITHIN THOSE THREE CORE AREAS, THOSE THREE PARADIGMS THAT WE WERE SET OUT ON THE PATH WAS FINANCIAL.

DOES REGIONALIZATION PRODUCE MEANINGFUL, SUSTAINABLE SAVINGS? IT'S A QUESTION YOU ALL WANTED THE ANSWER TO PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTION.

AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT. CAN PALM BAY MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS? WHAT ABOUT OUR PERFORMANCE, OUR KEY, OUR QUALITY IMPROVEMENT AND OUR QA OUR QUALITY ANALYSIS? WHAT ARE OUR METRICS GOING TO TELL US? WHAT ARE THE METRICS? TELL US NOW AND THEN LONG TERM CAPABILITY.

DOES REGIONALIZATION OR STAYING HERE LEAD TO GREATER SCALABILITY, BETTER RESILIENCE AND SECURITY AND BETTER TECHNOLOGY AND CAPACITY? IT'S A LONG EVERYTHING CITIES DO IS A LONG TERM GAME.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE NOT JUST TOMORROW, IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS? WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE? WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO WHERE'S THE INDUSTRY EVOLVING? WHERE ARE WE GOING A YEAR FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? AND THE QUESTION AGAIN ISN'T WHETHER EITHER ORGANIZATION IS PERFECT, BECAUSE NEITHER OF US ARE RIGHT. NEITHER. NEITHER ORGANIZATION GETS IT RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. AND IT'S A FALLACY TO THINK WE DO. BUT IT'S A QUESTION OF WHICH MODEL PROVIDES THE BEST VALUE AND THE BEST PUBLIC SAFETY OUTCOME TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE USERS OF NUMBER ONE OVER THE ARC OF TIME.

SO WHAT DO WE KNOW? THERE'S SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME THINGS A LOT OF THINGS WE DON'T KNOW IN 30 DAYS. SO OF COURSE, PALM BAY IS NOW APPROXIMATELY 160,000 RESIDENTS. AGAIN, TO BE VERY CLEAR, WE OPERATE OUR OWN POLICE COMMUNICATIONS FUNCTION.

WE ARE TRANSFERRING ALMOST EVERY OTHER CALL TO THE REGIONAL 911 CENTER FIRE, EMS, STATE PATROL.

WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THOSE. THOSE ARE ALL BEING TRANSFERRED. SO WE'RE ALREADY PARTICIPATING IN A REGIONALIZED FIRE COMMUNICATION EMS MODEL.

IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. IT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR THREE YEARS. POLICE FIELD OPERATIONS WOULD REMAIN IN PALM BAY.

WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS. I'VE HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY OF OUR OFFICERS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO THE END USER IN THE PATROL CAR, WHO'S CALLING IN A CALL FOR SERVICE OR A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, OR RUNNING A DAVID TAG OR WHATEVER MIGHT TRANSPIRE WITH A DISPATCHER.

AND SO IT COMES BACK TO THIS PROPOSED CHANGE PRIMARILY AFFECTS OUR FOLKS IN COMMUNICATIONS AND DISPATCH, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE WAYS OUR OFFICERS INTERACT WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND DISPATCH. SO WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT BREVARD COUNTY? THEY ALREADY OPERATE A COUNTY UNIFIED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER WITH SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES NOW COMING ON BOARD.

THEY DISPATCH OUR POLICE FIRE OR OUR FIRE AND EMS, EXCUSE ME, AND BREVARD COUNTY FIRE AND EMS. THEY PROVIDE CALL TAKING AND DISPATCH FUNCTIONS ALREADY FOR POLICE AND FIRE EMS, INCLUDING, AGAIN, OUR OUR OWN PALM BAY. THEY ALREADY HAVE REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEY HAVE STAFFING AND TECHNOLOGY TO MEET THAT REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH. THEY'RE RECEIVING OPERATION ALREADY EXISTS AND THEY'RE ALREADY SCALED.

THEY'RE ALREADY READY TO GO TO THE NEXT SCALE WITH WORKSTATIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE GENERATOR POWER, THE BACKUP POWER, THE FACILITY ITSELF AND THE COUNTY CURRENTLY.

WHEN YOU READ THE STATE MANUAL AND READ THE STATE NUMBER ONE AND THE COMP PLAN FULL STOP, NO EXCLUSION, THE COUNTY IS THE PRIMARY 911 AGENCY IN ANY COUNTY.

WE ARE AN ADDITIONAL OR A SECONDARY, WHATEVER TERM OF ART OUR PROFESSIONALS WOULD TELL US.

PSAT, PSAT, PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINT. RIGHT? WE ARE NOT A PRIMARY IN THAT SENSE. WHEN YOU READ THE STATE MANUAL, IT IS THE COUNTIES THAT ARE VESTED WITH THAT POWER.

HENCE WHY THAT 911 MONEY FLOWS THAT YOU GET THAT $0.40, I BELIEVE IT IS ON YOUR ON YOUR PHONE BILL FLOWS TO THE COUNTY, TO THAT 911 FOR USE EXCLUSIVELY FOR UPGRADING, MAINTAINING, HIRING CERTAIN FUNCTIONS THAT MAINTAIN, MONITOR AND CARE FOR AND EVOLVE THAT 911 SYSTEM.

AND WE DON'T KNOW SOME THINGS. RIGHT. AND I WANT TO CAUTION US THAT UNKNOWNS SHOULD BECOME DUE DILIGENCE QUESTIONS, NOT JUST ASSUMPTIONS. SO WE TRIED NOT TO MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS IN OUR RESEARCH AND SAID, OKAY, ANYTHING WE DON'T KNOW IS A DUE DILIGENCE QUESTION, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS HERE. BUT IF WE TALK ABOUT CONTEXT NATIONALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, REGIONALIZATION IS A WELL ESTABLISHED MODEL. WE ARE NOT BREAKING NEW GROUND. THIS QUESTION IS NOT OPENING UP A NEW PANDORA'S BOX.

IF NO ONE HAS DONE THIS, NOBODY KNOWS ANY ANY HISTORY, ANY FACTS, NO ONE KNOWS ANY OUTCOMES.

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IT'S COMMON, MAYBE REGIONALIZED THROUGH A STANDALONE INDEPENDENT 911 COMMUNICATIONS AGENT, MAYBE REGIONALIZED THROUGH ANOTHER AGENCY, LIKE A COUNTY OR REGIONAL FIRE OR EMS AGENCY.

BUT STANDARDIZATION. THIS REGIONAL MODEL IS NOT NEW GROUND AND FEDERAL MATERIALS.

FEDERAL PROMULGATES A LOT THROUGH NINA STANDARDS.

OTHER STANDARDS. THEY PROBABLY GET A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE FOLLOW IN OPERATION.

AGAIN, QIQA CALL HANDLING TIMES REGIONALIZATION IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED, AND THAT SHARED TECHNOLOGY AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT SHARED TECHNOLOGY, THOSE APPROACHES ARE WELL DOCUMENTED, WELL STUDIED, AND THAT STRONGER EVIDENCE THAT COMES OUT OF THAT BODY OF LITERATURE.

AND I'LL SHARE THAT LIST FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SOURCES WE CONSULTED.

THE EVIDENCE IS OPERATIONAL. LARGE REGIONAL SYSTEMS CAN AND DO SUCCESSFULLY SERVE MULTIPLE POLICE, FIRE AND EMS AGENCIES, AND THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEIR GOAL IS TO STANDARDIZE COMMUNICATIONS ACROSS TECHNOLOGY.

RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, WE OPERATE A 901 CAD SYSTEM.

THE COUNTY OPERATES A 901 CAD SYSTEM. THEY DO NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER.

THOSE COMPUTERS DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. WE ARE FORTUNATE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITH THE NEW P25 RADIO CONVERSION, ALL OF OUR RADIOS INTEROPERABLE. BUT THAT LACK OF INTEROPERABILITY CREATES SOME CHALLENGES, WHICH IS WHY THE LITERATURE SORT OF POINTS AT THOSE ANALYZES OF CONSOLIDATION.

SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE. IS REGIONALIZATION POSSIBLE? ABSOLUTELY. IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. IT'S HAPPENED FOR I WAS CONSOLIDATING 911 CENTER. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION 15 YEARS AGO IN WASHINGTON STATE.

REGIONALIZED MODEL. IS IT THE RIGHT MODEL FOR PALM BAY? IS IT THE RIGHT MODEL FOR US? SO SOME OF THE MODELS WE LOOKED AT, OF COURSE, OUR VERY OWN GRACIOUSLY WENT UP, SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF, MET WITH THEIR DISPATCHERS, TOURED THE FACILITY, UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, TALK TO PARTNER AGENCIES THAT ARE ALREADY WORKING WITH THEM. VARIOUS CITIES MET AND TALKED WITH CITY MANAGERS.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEFS AND TOOK FEEDBACK ON THE SUCCESS.

AND SO FAR IN OUR OWN FIRE CHIEF, WE'RE HEARING THAT THEY'RE VERY HAPPY AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR CONSOLIDATIONS AND MERGERS WENT TOWARD BROWARD COUNTY.

AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A MASSIVE OPERATION, FIELDING 2.2 MILLION CALLS ANNUALLY.

28 OF 31 MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY ARE CONSOLIDATED IN THE REGIONAL.

I BELIEVE IT'S COCONUT CREEK. I'VE WRITTEN DOWN.

SO DON'T FORGET COCONUT CREEK, CORAL SPRINGS AND PLANTATION ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT ARE NOT PART OF THAT REGIONAL MODEL.

AND OF COURSE, THERE'S OTHER STUDIES, DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT AS THESE CONSOLIDATIONS, RESTRUCTURES MERGERS. WE DID A LOT OF READING, MADE A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, TRIED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND.

AND THE ISSUES ARE THE SAME EVERYWHERE. PEOPLE THAT WERE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATION FACED THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS AND ISSUES WE'RE FACING, AND NO NEW QUESTIONS. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE THAT RUN IT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE QUALITY OF SERVICE TO THE CALLER? ARE WE LOSING LOCAL CONTROL? ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE SOMEONE GOING TO ANSWER THE PHONE WHEN WE CALL 911? AND WHAT PEOPLE FIND IS, IS. YES. SO PIVOTING TO THE BUSINESS CASE.

SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN GENERAL WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ELIMINATING DUPLICATION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, THERE'S OFTEN A SCALE. THERE'S OFTEN AN ECONOMY OF SCALE. WE TALK ABOUT THOSE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

SO PALM BAY CAN POTENTIALLY REDUCE NOT WHOLLY ELIMINATE DISPATCH STAFFING AND SUPERVISORY OVERHEAD.

RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO DOWNSCALE IT AND SHIFT TO A DISPERSED COST MODEL IF THERE'S A CONSOLIDATION OVER TIME.

RECRUITMENT AND TRAINING. CAD SOFTWARE CAD SOFTWARE LICENSE.

AND AGAIN, WE REDUCE IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT STANDALONE ANYMORE. WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO A REGIONAL OPERATION. THERE'S STILL AN EXPENSE RECORDING TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND IT INFRASTRUCTURE. ALL THOSE THINGS WE REDUNDANTLY DO RIGHT NOW BACKUP POWER, FACILITY MAINTENANCE, FUTURE TECHNOLOGY AND CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, THINGS WE NEED TO REPLACE.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE MAKING THAT MODEL AND DECISION AND OPERATING SUCCESSFULLY TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS OURSELVES.

THERE'S SOME VALUE AT A REGIONAL SCALE, RIGHT? SAME KIND OF THING. YOU'LL FIND SHARED STAFFING AND SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE, A LARGER POOL OF PEOPLE TO DRAW FROM IN A SINGULAR OPERATION, TRAINING UNDER THE SAME STANDARDS AND METRICS.

LARGER TECHNOLOGY INVESTMENT BASE AT A COUNTY OR HIGHER LEVEL? THAT'S A FACT. THERE'S GENERALLY A BETTER SHARED REDUNDANCY AND BACKUP CAPABILITY.

WE ARE CURRENTLY WHAT THEY CALL ON PREM SOFTWARE MODELS MOVING TO A SERVICE.

COUNTIES IN THE CLOUD RIGHT. THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT THAT FIGURE INTO THIS GREATER GREATER PURCHASING AND OPERATING SCALE.

WE JUST REDUCED DUPLICATION ACROSS GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL AND WE CONSOLIDATE.

THERE'S MORE PREDICTABLE LONG TERM COST STRUCTURES. WHEN YOU GET THAT SPIKE OR YOU GET THAT INFLATION. AGAIN, IT'S DIVIDED AMONG MULTIPLE PARTNERS INSTEAD OF ONE RECEIVING AGENCY. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT CHARGING PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ESSENTIALLY TWICE, BUT YOU'RE NOT CHARGING PEOPLE AGAIN FOR A DUPLICATED SERVICE THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING. SO IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, WHAT CAN WE TELL YOU SINCE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE OUT THE BUSINESS CASE HERE IN THE 2627 BUDGET.

SUPPOSING A TRANSFER THAT FIRST NUMBER 612 PLUS A MILLION, THAT'S THE NINE DEFERRED POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE DEFERRED THIS YEAR.

SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 1.6 MILLION IN SAVINGS IN FISCAL YEAR 2728.

YOU'RE ABOUT 2.8 MILLION IN COST REDUCTIONS. YOU GO TO ABOUT 2.9, JUST SHY OF THREE AND 28,

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NOT ONLY DO YOU SAVE THAT COST OF CONTINUED MAINTENANCE AND LICENSING, BUT WE HAVE A SOFTWARE MIGRATION POTENTIALLY COMING IN 2030, AGAIN, TRANSITIONING TO WHAT THEY CALL SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE. AND THAT'S ADDING IN TODAY'S DOLLARS ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.

SO THAT COST BALLOONING, THAT'S COST SAVINGS BALLOONS TO ABOUT 4.6 MILLION IN A REGIONALIZED MODEL IN THAT IN THAT THIRD YEAR.

SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE FISCAL PIECE. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CASE, IT'S ONE REGIONAL COMMUNICATIONS ECOSYSTEM FOR POLICE, FIRE AND EMS, DUAL TRAIN DISPATCHERS, DUAL TRAIN CALL TAKERS IS THE GOAL.

SO NO MATTER WHO CALLS, IT'S THAT IT'S THAT IMMEDIATE RESPONSE AND ASSISTANCE.

THERE'S IMPROVED CROSS-AGENCY VISIBILITY AND COORDINATION DURING COMPLEX INCIDENTS. AGAIN, WHAT THE DATA TELLS US YOU HAVE AN MCI, YOU HAVE A HURRICANE, YOU HAVE A DISASTER. INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE CENTERS, MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMMUNICATING.

IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN WE DO THE HURRICANE RESPONSE, THERE'S A REASON WE SEND PEOPLE UP TO THE EOC IN BREVARD COUNTY, AND THEY'RE LIVING THERE DURING THE EMERGENCY AND COMMUNICATING BACK.

RIGHT. THE LESS TELEPHONE GAME YOU PLAY, WHICH BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT WITH 911, GENERALLY, THE FASTER THE MORE ACCURATE, THE BETTER LEVEL OF RESPONSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET. THERE'S AN OPTION FOR WHAT WE CALL CLOSEST UNIT RESPONSE METHODOLOGY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHERIFF'S ENTERTAIN THAT OR IF HE'S LOOKING AT THAT MODEL, BUT IT'S SORT OF WHAT WE DO NOW WITH OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, OUR MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS ON HOW WE TRY TO PRIORITIZE.

PEOPLE DON'T CARE. I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT SHIRT SHOWS UP WHEN THEY'RE HAVING AN EMERGENCY.

THEY WANT THE QUICKEST RESPONSE THEY CAN GET.

SO IT OPENS UP SOME OPTIONS FOR THAT CLOSEST RESPONSE MODEL, WHERE THE CLOSEST UNIT RESPONDS TO SAVE A LIFE, TO STOP A CRIME. ALL THOSE ALL THOSE THINGS WE HAVE POTENTIALLY ACCESS TO GREATER FLEXIBILITY DURING SURGES IN DEMAND IN A REGIONALIZED MODEL.

POTENTIAL GREATER REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCE, AGAIN BECAUSE OF THAT TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE. I ALREADY MENTIONED THE HURRICANE AND THE ABILITY TO REVIEW AND VERIFY AGAIN. WE'RE ALL UNDER THE SAME THINGS. WE'RE ALL UNDER THE NEED OF METRICS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THE SAME QUALITY ASSURANCE AND QUALITY IMPROVEMENT PROCESSES IN PLACE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE USUALLY DICTATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO THEN WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS LEGISLATIVE CASE, AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT. THERE WAS HOUSE BILLS AND 25 AND 26, AND THEY DIED.

THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT ANYWHERE. WE HEAR ONES COMING IN.

27 NO IDEA. RIGHT. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD IT IS. WHO KNOWS? BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN KNOW TODAY ABOUT THIS.

ONE IS THE COUNTY IS THE NUMBER ONE AUTHORITY.

END OF STORY. RIGHT. THAT IS A FACT. DIRECT DISPATCH IS THE PREFERRED METHOD.

NO CALL TRANSFERS. SO REGARDLESS OF THIS LEGISLATION, WHEN YOU READ THE STATE'S OWN MANUAL FOR 911 THROUGH THE DIVISION OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS, SAYS ALTHOUGH SAP CONSOLIDATION IS CURRENTLY A LOCAL DECISION BY EACH COUNTY.

SO WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. SAP CONSOLIDATION REDUCES COSTS, INCREASES ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT METHOD OF MANAGING ACCOUNTING. ONE SYSTEM THAT'S THE STATE TELLING US THAT. CHAPTER SEVEN INCIDENT COMMUNICATIONS INTEROPERABILITY MANUAL 911 RADIO AND COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEMS. SECOND RECOMMENDATION PAGE 230.

ALL PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES SHOULD WORK TOWARD.

SO THERE'S NO MANDATE YET, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE GIVING YOU THE GUIDANCE OF WHAT THEY SAY.

WORK TOWARDS 901 CENTERS AND ELIMINATE THE CALL TRANSFER PROCESS.

SO WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS CALL TRANSFER PROCESS.

WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION? WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE? CALL TRANSFER PROCESS BECAME A VERY INTERESTING TOPIC IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AROUND THE STATE MAINLY BECAUSE OF MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS.

AND WHEN THAT COMMISSION REVIEWED ALL THE FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT INCIDENT, IT WAS 69 SECONDS BEFORE THE FIRST SHERIFF'S OFFICER RECEIVED A DISPATCH COMMUNICATION BECAUSE OF THE PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE CALL TRANSFERS TO RESPOND TO THAT INCIDENT.

AND BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENED, EVERYONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR HAD ALREADY BEEN SHOT. 23 PEOPLE HAD BEEN SHOT IN THAT 69 SECONDS.

SO 69 SECONDS IS A LOT OF TIME. AND SO THE STATE IF YOU'RE ASKING YOURSELF, WHY DOES THE STATE KEEP BRINGING THIS LEGISLATION FORWARD? WHY WOULD THEY CARE ABOUT CONSOLIDATION? THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO IN TALLAHASSEE AND FROM OTHER REGIONAL MANAGERS.

THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS QUESTION OF WHY DO WE TRANSFER CALLS, WHY WE SHOULD NOT BE TRANSFERRING CALLS IN AN IDEAL WORLD.

SO I LISTENED TO A BUNCH OF CALLS FROM OUR CENTER, RIGHT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL PLAY THIS ONE. IT'S BEEN REDACTED. IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW, BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THIS WAS A FIRE CALL.

NOW REMEMBER, ALL OF OUR FIRE CALLS ARE TRANSFERRED UP TO BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S. WE DO NOT DISPATCH THEM IN HOUSE.

SO THE CALLER CALLS. SO 0 TO 4 SECONDS. DISPATCHER 901.

LOCATION OF YOUR EMERGENCY. THERE'S NO ANSWER.

IT'S QUIET. 5 TO 6 SECONDS. DISPATCHER. HELLO? 911 6 TO 12 SECONDS. THE CALLER SAYS YES, PLEASE.

I NEED A FIRE TRUCK TO STREET. MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE.

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DISPATCHER. SO NOW, THE SECOND TIME WE'RE GETTING THE ADDRESS FROM THIS CALLER, THIS REPEATS THE ADDRESS AND BASICALLY SAYS, IS THIS THE ADDRESS? YES, YES, THAT'S THE ADDRESS.

THE CALLER IS GETTING FRANTIC 16 TO 19 SECONDS.

OKAY, LET ME GET THEM. WE'RE TRANSFERRING THE CALL.

LET ME GET THEM ON THE LINE. WHEN THEY ANSWER THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN. SO THE CALLER GOES QUIET AND SAYS THANK YOU AND MUTTERS SOMETHING AGAIN, CAN'T TELL WHAT IT WAS. IT RINGS. NOW WE'RE UP TO 20S. 25 TO 26.

THE THIRD TIME WE'RE ASKING FIRE RESCUE. WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF YOUR EMERGENCY? THE ADDRESS. THE CALLER REPEATS THE ADDRESS FOR THE THIRD TIME. YOU HEAR HIS VOICE GETTING MORE FRANTIC, LIKE, WHY AM I REPEATING MY ADDRESS AGAIN? DISPATCHER YOU SAID, VERIFIES THE ADDRESS FOR THE FOURTH TIME. 30S IN.

WE HAVEN'T DISPATCHED ANYBODY YET. OKAY. CALLER YES, YES, HE'S GETTING VERY IRRITATED NOW.

DISPATCHER OKAY, THEN THERE'S SILENCE. CALLER THANK YOU.

HELLO? RIGHT. SO 35 TO 42 THERE'S NOTHING. THERE'S RADIO SILENCE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TYPING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THE CALLER'S THANK YOU. HELLO? HELLO. DISPATCHER.

YES. ARE YOU SENDING SOMEBODY. ARE YOU SENDING SOMEBODY ALMOST A MINUTE IN 43 SECONDS 44 TO 45.

DISPATCHER YES. THIS IS THAT CALL TRANSFER IN REAL TIME THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH OUR PD CALLS. RIGHT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY THE CALL BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S MUTED IT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT, I THINK, TO HEAR.

BUT I WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO TRANSFER CALL DATA 911 WITH LOCATION. SO TRANSFER CALL DATA.

SO WHAT I DID IS I ASKED FOR NUMBERS FROM BOTH BREVARD COUNTY WHICH THEY PROVIDED, AND NUMBERS FROM OUR 901 CENTER, WHICH THEY ALSO PROVIDED. THESE ARE UNAUDITED.

I TOOK BOTH THEIR NUMBERS, DROPPED THEM INTO THE SLIDE SHOW.

YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF CALLS PALM BAY PD TO BCSO, THE NUMBER OF CALLS WE TRANSFER.

23. 24. 25. 26 YEAR TO DATE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF.

BACK TO PALM BAY PD FOR A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS.

THERE'S THE THERE'S THE CALL TRANSFER NUMBERS, RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THIS INTERPLAY HAPPENING BETWEEN OUR DISPATCH OPERATORS ALL THE TIME.

PALM BAY PD TO BREVARD COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE.

AGAIN, WE'RE TRANSFERRING A LOT OF OUR EMS AND FIRE CALLS BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFERRED BACK.

AND THEN WHAT IS B, C F ARE TRANSFERRING BACK TO PALM BAY PD AGAIN, WHATEVER REASON, MAYBE A NEW UNIT'S REQUESTED.

MAYBE THE NATURE OF THE CALL IS CHANGED. I'M SURE DISPATCHERS KNOW EXACTLY ALL THOSE REASONS THAT THOSE CALLS GET TRANSFERRED BACK.

AND THEN YOU SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALL TRANSFERS. SO WE ARE TRANSFERRING A LOT OF CALLS.

AND IT'S OUR IT'S OUR PROTOCOL. IT'S OUR THIS IS OUR APPROVED SECTION OF OUR MANUAL VESTED IN BREVARD COUNTY. THIS IS THE 911 MANUAL. RIGHT.

CITY OF PALM BAY POLICE. WE'RE DIRECT DISPATCH. THAT'S AWESOME. THAT'S PREFERRED. PALM BAY FIRE RESCUE, BREVARD COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT, ALL AMBULANCE SERVICES. EVERY AMBULANCE SERVICE. FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE DIRECT DISPATCHES THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL. I THINK THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN NETWORK THAT THEY DON'T SHARE WITH ANYBODY. BUT THAT'S HOW WE TRANSFER OUR CALL PROTOCOL NOW.

SO PALM BAY METRICS OUTSTANDING. CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR DISPATCHERS.

AND I MEAN THAT FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. WE HAVE FANTASTIC METRICS.

WE CURRENTLY COMPLY WITH THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY CALL ANSWERING STANDARD, WHICH IS 90% OF 911 CALLS ANSWERED WITHIN 15 SECONDS.

90% OF 911 CALLS ANSWERED WITHIN 20S. AND YEAR TO DATE, WE'VE ANSWERED 98% OF 901 CALLS WITHIN 15 SECONDS, WHICH EXCEEDS THE NATIONAL STANDARD. FANTASTIC, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING THAT PERSON, THEN IT'S IF IT'S POLICE, YOU'RE GETTING DISPATCHED.

IF IT'S FIRE EMS, YOU'RE GETTING TRANSFERRED. RIGHT? BUT THAT INITIAL CALL RESPONSE IS FANTASTIC.

AND GUESS WHAT? BREVARD COUNTY ALSO COMPLIES AND EXCEEDS AND MEETS THE CURRENT REGIONAL FEDERAL 911 STANDARD CALLS.

SO TO DATE, THEY'VE ANSWERED 90% OF 901 CALLS WITHIN 15 SECONDS AND 99% OF NINE CALLS WITHIN 20S.

IT'S THE SAME THING EXCEEDING THE NATIONAL STANDARD. SO TWO COMPETENT QUALITY ORGANIZATIONS, BOTH MEETING OR EXCEEDING THE FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR 91 DISPATCH.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS DISPARITY OF AGENCIES THAT CAN'T PERFORM.

WHERE IS IT GOING? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? AGAIN, A BULK OF OUR CALLS ARE ALREADY BEING TRANSFERRED.

SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WORKFORCE CHALLENGE. IT'S A NATIONAL CHALLENGE.

IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO PALM BAY. SHERIFF IVEY'S GOT STAFFING CHALLENGES.

WE HAVE STAFFING CHALLENGES. BROWARD COUNTY HAS STAFFING CHALLENGES EVERY NOW AND ONE CENTER I TALKED TO SAID RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IS DIFFICULT.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. AND RIGHT NOW, LIKE WE DO A LOT WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITION. THE MORE AGENCIES YOU HAVE, THE MORE COMPETITION PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO MOVE AND SEEK OUT THEIR BEST OPPORTUNITY.

NATIONAL SURVEYS HAVE ROUTINELY DOCUMENTED THAT SIGNIFICANT VACANCY RECRUITMENT PRESSURES EXIST IN THIS FIELD.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT A PANACEA TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, BUT MAINTAINING SEPARATE ORGANIZATIONS WILL MEAN THAT WE'LL INDEPENDENTLY RECRUIT, TRAIN AND REPLACE A SPECIALIZED WORKFORCE. AGAIN, WE DO IT NOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT RISK.

THAT'S THAT RESPONSIBILITY WE ALL TAKE ON. IT CAN CREATE GREATER SCALE IF WE REGIONALIZE.

BUT WORKFORCE TRANSITION, AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT APPEARS IN EVERY STUDY HAS TO BE HANDLED DELIBERATELY.

RIGHT? YOU CAN'T JUST. SO WHAT'S THE DELIBERATE MOVE? IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REGIONALIZATION AND LARGER PIECE, APPS CAN AND STILL DO STRUGGLE TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT EMPLOYEES.

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YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO STAFF UP AND SCALE MULTIPLE REDUNDANCIES OF THE SAME OPERATION.

YOU'RE NOW CONSOLIDATING THAT EMPLOYEE BASE INTO A MORE EFFICIENT, SINGULAR OPERATION.

AND OUR EMPLOYEE CONCERNS ARE LEGITIMATE. THEY'RE LEGITIMATE.

I'VE HAD A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, A LOT OF EMAILS. THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH A TRANSPARENT TRANSITION PLAN.

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THAT TRANSPARENT DATA PROVIDED BY BCSO, INCLUDING THEIR PAY PLAN, THEIR TRANSITION PLAN, THEIR CROSS TRAINING BONUSES OR SIGN ON BONUSES, THEIR SENIORITY ASSIGNMENTS.

THE ASSUMPTION OF ALL THEIR LEAVES AND ACCRUALS ALL TRANSFER.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD DATA FROM FROM THE COUNTY AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT WHETHER WE CAN OPERATE A DISPATCH CENTER. WE'RE OPERATING A VERY SUCCESSFUL DISPATCH CENTER. IT'S WHETHER MAINTAINING A SEPARATE OPERATION TRULY IS THE BEST LONG TERM WORKFORCE STRATEGY. AND DOES IT PRODUCE THE BEST RESPONSE IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT CALL TRANSFERRING? DO WE KNOW ABOUT OPERATIONS? SO THAT PROVIDES US SOME OPPORTUNITIES WE'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS CONTRACT, WE HAVE A DRAFT NOT TALKED WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ABOUT IT.

THEY SENT THAT EARLY OUT TO KIND OF GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING. WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE WE GOT OUR STANDARDS IN THERE RIGHT. WHAT IS THE PERCENTILE CALL ABANDONMENT CUE PERFORMANCE.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE.

MOST ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY DOCUMENTED OR DICTATED IN A REGIONAL PLAN, THE STATE PLAN OR FEDERAL STANDARDS.

BUT THAT WOULD BE THINGS WE PUT IN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL LOOKING AT A CONTRACT.

SO WE GOT THREE POLICY OPTIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S THE CURRENT MODEL.

MAINTAIN THE CURRENT MODEL. WE HAVE MAXIMUM DIRECT CONTROL. WE HAVE NO TRANSITION DISRUPTION IN TERMS OF A MERGER OR A MIGRATION.

WE CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT COST STRUCTURES. WE CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT STANDALONE OBLIGATIONS. WE CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT METHODOLOGY OF CALL TRANSFERS, WHICH IS AGAIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM.

AND WITH THE FUTURE CAPITAL REQUIREMENTS. WE SAW THE NUMBERS WHERE THAT'S HEADED $5 MILLION IN 20 2930.

WE CAN REGIONALIZE. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO SCALE INTEGRATION WITH THE REST TO THE ENVIRONMENT REDUCES DUPLICATION.

WE DO CEDE SOME CONTROL. WE'RE PARTNERING WITH AN AGENCY AND SAYING HEY WE'RE TRUSTING YOU NOW TO TO RUN THESE OPERATIONS.

THIRD ONE I DIDN'T FLESH OUT, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO BRING IT ALL BACK IN-HOUSE.

THAT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND PROBABLY A VOTE BECAUSE I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED ABOUT 15 MILLION ON DAY ONE TO REDO THAT OPERATION.

IF THAT WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THAT OFF BECAUSE THAT'S AN OPTION.

SO POTENTIAL POSITIVE WINS FOR US. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY A DEMONSTRATED SIGNIFICANT RECURRING OPERATIONAL SAVINGS.

POLICE OPERATIONS REMAIN IN THE FIELD UNDER OUR LOCAL LEADERSHIP.

I KNOW THAT QUESTION HAS COME UP AGAIN. WE'RE ALREADY REGIONALIZED FOR EVERY FIRE AND EMS CALL THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.

REDUCES DUPLICATION, DUPLICATION OF TECHNOLOGY FACILITIES AND THE ONGOING REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIALIZED STAFFING.

LEVERAGES AND BUILDS IN A COUNTY WIDE COMMUNICATION INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE IS TELLING US WE SHOULD BE MOVING TOWARDS.

PROMOTES INTEROPERABILITY WITH CAD AND OTHER SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW. OUR CADS DO NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER.

THAT'S A LONG TERM ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO GET SOLVED REGARDLESS.

IN MY OPINION, CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH MEASURABLE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR AN ENTIRE COUNTY, NOT JUST AGENCY TO AGENCY, INDEPENDENT AGENCY.

AND NOW BRINGING IT UNDER COMMAND LEADERSHIP, A CENTRALIZED LEADERSHIP FOR WHAT OUR STANDARDS THAT WE EXPECT AS A COUNTY ALLOWS PALM BAY TO FOCUS RESOURCES ON CORE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND FRONTLINE PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, AND IT DOES BUILD GREATER SCALE FOR MAJOR INCIDENCES AND REGIONAL EMERGENCIES. AGAIN, ELIMINATE THAT TELEPHONE GAME. WE CONSOLIDATE OUR RESOURCES. SO AN IDEA FOR A DECISION FRAMEWORK.

WE KNOW IT'S A PROVEN MODEL. PALM BAY HAS THE BREVARD COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE.

PALM BAY IS INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE RUNNING. SOMEONE'S OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. I ASSUME WE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS HERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING SOMEONE'S OVER THERE ANSWERING NUMBER ONE CALLS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE PALM BAY ALREADY REGIONALIZED THIS FIRE EMS, I THINK I MADE THAT CLEAR NATIONALLY. IT'S NOT JUST US.

IT'S NOT JUST BREVARD. EVERYONE'S FACING STAFFING, TECHNOLOGY AND CAPITAL CHALLENGES. REGIONALIZATION CAN BE A SOLUTION. WE DO HAVE SOME UNKNOWNS, RIGHT? I TOLD YOU, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING YET. NOT IN 30 DAYS.

WE'D HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE THROUGH ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE AND CONTRACTUAL PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS. DOUG WALLER AND THE SHERIFF'S TEAM HAVE BEEN OPEN ALREADY TO HAVE ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS AND PROVIDE US ANY INFORMATION, STATISTIC DATA WE'VE NEEDED HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS SO FAR. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR QUESTION. THIS IS YOUR QUESTION. CAN BOMBAY MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY WHILE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING THE COST BURDEN OF STANDALONE POLICE COMMUNICATIONS OPERATION.

AND IS IT THE BEST SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL? WHAT'S THE BEST SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL FOR THE COMMUNITY? SO WHAT WE DO HAVE FROM DUE DILIGENCE, AGAIN THIS JUST HIGHLIGHTS WE'VE GOT THE DRAFT CONTRACT THAT WAS PUT IN THE PACKET THAT WAS SENT TO US BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WE'VE RECEIVED THEIR PERSONNEL PLAN AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH TRANSITION EMPLOYEES AND OF COURSE, THEIR COMPLIANCE INFORMATION. WE HAVE OURS. AND THEN AN APPENDIX OF CASE STUDIES, NOT EXHAUSTIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE DID YOU DO? WHAT DID YOU READ? WHAT DID YOU LOOK AT FROM EXISTING MODELS? AGAIN, THOSE ARE PEOPLE CAN GRAB THAT AND GO LOOK AT THEM THEMSELVES. AND THAT'S IT.

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WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT THE $0.40 OF FOR CELL PHONES? YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY PAYS A BLIND FEE ON YOUR CELL PHONE BILL OR YOUR BILL.

IF YOU STILL HAVE A LANDLINE, LANDLINES, PROBABLY THERE TOO. I HAVEN'T HAD A LANDLINE IN SO LONG, I DON'T KNOW. BUT YOU'RE PAYING INTO THIS FEDERAL TAX THAT I BELIEVE IS DISTRIBUTED AND IT GOES TO THE REGIONAL. AGAIN, THE COUNTY IS THE NUMBER ONE CENTER.

AND I BELIEVE LAST YEAR AND I HAD TROUBLE GETTING THE NUMBER EXACT, I WAS GETTING IT ONLINE.

I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO AUDIT THAT EITHER, BUT I THINK THE COUNTY RECEIVED ABOUT 3.1 OR 3.2, THAT BEING THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF 901 MONEY AND THAT'S USED HAS SOME VERY SPECIFIC USES, ITS TECHNOLOGY AND ENHANCEMENT OF THE SYSTEM. THEY CAN HIRE A COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, A COUPLE THINGS.

AND THOSE ARE RESTRICTED FUNDS THAT ARE USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THAT 91 PURPOSE THAT ARE ALREADY BEING COLLECTED BY EVERYBODY AND GETTING SENT FOR THIS REGIONAL OPERATION.

SO THAT'S THAT GOES TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN THEIR BUDGET, CORRECT? YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? DID DO DOES THE CITY GET ANY OF THAT FUNDING? I THINK WE GOT A GRANT ONE TIME FOR. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND $100,000 THAT WE DON'T REGULARLY GET A LINE ITEM DISTRIBUTION? IF THAT'S THE QUESTION. I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN SOME MONEY HERE AND THERE, AND I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TRACK ALL THAT DOWN. BUT THERE SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN A GRANT THAT WE GOT A WHILE BACK, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT WE USED TO JUST UPGRADE OUR CONSOLES WITH SOME OF THAT MONEY, A GRANT MONEY. SO YOU MENTIONED COCONUT CREEK, WAS IT DOWN IN BROWARD, BROWARD COUNTY, AND THERE WERE, WHAT OTHER CITIES? 28 OF THE 31 MUNICIPALITIES OF REGIONALIZED COCONUT CREEK, CORAL SPRINGS AND PLANTATION HAVE CONTINUED TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT PIECE APPS.

DO THEY HAVE THAT INTEROPERABLE CAPABILITY THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH THEIR CAD OF THE COUNTY? THEY DON'T. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THEIR GOAL FOR A DECADE.

BUT UNLESS THEY'RE THE SAME CAD SYSTEM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFICULTY IN GETTING, YOU KNOW, MAKE UP SOME NAMES. SO WE DON'T GIVE ANYBODY ANY CYBERSECURITY TIPS. BUT IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, CAD SYSTEM ALPHA AND I GO TO CAD SYSTEM DELTA, THERE'S JUST LIKE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN THE COMPUTER WORLD. THEY DON'T INTENTIONALLY TALK AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO PATCH THOSE. SO IF YOU'RE ON THAT UNIFIED AND YOU HAVE THE SAME RADIO, THEY USE MOTOROLA. THE BROWARD COUNTY 911 CENTER USES MOTOROLA DISPATCH, MOTOROLA CAD, MOTOROLA RADIOS. AND THEY'VE STANDARDIZED THAT, JUST LIKE WE SHOULD BE DOING WITH FIRE HOSES AND NOZZLES. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF A BREVARD COUNTY FIRE TRUCK PULLS UP OR A PALM BAY FIRE TRUCK OR MELBOURNE FIRE TRUCK, WE CAN ALL HOOK UP TO THE SAME FIRE HYDRANT, SCREW HOSES TOGETHER AND GO TO WORK.

IT'S THAT WHOLE PUSH TOWARDS WHAT WE CALL INTEROPERABILITY. HE'S TOLD ME IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO GET DISPARATE SYSTEMS TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.

SO WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WONDERING IF THAT WAS AN OPTION FOR US.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT TECHNOLOGICAL PIECE WOULD WORK. OKAY.

SO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THERE MAY NOT BE A HARDWARE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE THEM ACCORDING ACCORDING TO BROWARD COUNTY.

AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THEM AND SOME OTHERS, BUT THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL TRANSLATION DEVICE THAT WILL SYNC EVERY CAD SYSTEM.

IT'S BEEN ELUSIVE FOR THEM. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SAME SYSTEM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ON MICROSOFT WINDOWS.

SO WHEN I SEND YOU A MICROSOFT DOCUMENT, YOU OPEN IT UP, RIGHT? IF ANYONE SENDS YOU A GOOGLE DOCUMENT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS. OR WERE APPLE A WORD DOC? SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T OPEN UP, RIGHT? IT'S THAT KIND OF INTENTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE OR INTEROPERABILITY.

SO BEING ON THE SAME SYSTEM, UNDER THE SAME ROOF, UNDER THE SAME TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS THE PROPOSAL, WOULD CREATE THAT INTEROPERABILITY TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

AND HOW DID THEY TRANSITION? I MEAN, ALL THESE CITIES, HOW DID THEY TRANSITION? WELL, AGAIN, I THINK THE OUTWORKING OF IT WAS THE MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS INCIDENT AND A RECOGNITION BY THEIR STUDY.

COMMISSION. I THINK ORIGINALLY THE PROPOSAL WAS DONE BY THE BROWARD COUNTY CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, WAS PREPARED AND PRESENTED. AND THEN FROM THAT BECAME A IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH THEY WORKED ON, AND THEN THE IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION. SO HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE? YOU GOT ALL THESE MUNICIPALITIES. THEY CAME TOGETHER.

MY RECOLLECTION IS IT TOOK THEM SOME TIME TO WORK THROUGH THEIR STRUCTURE, THEIR GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, THE MERGER, THE THE CONSOLIDATION, BRINGING EVERYBODY ONLINE, CONSOLIDATING EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE DEALING WITH AT THAT TIME, AGAIN, 28 MUNICIPALITIES, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW LONG IT TOOK.

I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS HE'S SAYING TWO YEARS. OKAY.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. OKAY. COUNCILMAN.

HAMMER. SO RECENTLY, I WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT DOWN SOUTH, AND WHEN I CALLED 911, THEY DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION.

THEY SAID POLICE OR FIRE? WHY? WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO? DO WE JUST TAKE THE CALL AND THEN HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY? AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR DISPATCH CARDS ARE BETTER.

BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE DIFFERENT TAPES, THEY'RE ASKING WHAT THE NATURE OF THE EMERGENCY IS. OR IF SOMEBODY SAYS THERE'S A FIRE,

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MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS SOMETIMES YOU GET A CALL TRANSFER BACK. WE'RE RUNNING WITH A CALL. AND MAYBE THERE'S ALSO A LAW ENFORCEMENT ELEMENT. AND NOW WE GOT TO COME BACK BECAUSE BREVARD COUNTY IS GOING TO DISPATCH OUR COUNTY SHERIFFS.

WE DO POLICE. SO IT'S COMING BACK TO DISPATCH LOCAL POLICE UNITS AGAIN.

SOME OF OUR EXPERTS CAN SAY THAT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOME OF THOSE BACK AND FORTH TRANSFERS. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WITHIN THE CAD THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE CAD THAT THEY HAVE THAT WE DON'T? I THINK IT'S JUST A CALL TRAINING TECHNIQUE. WHEN YOU TRAIN, WHEN YOU ANSWER THE PHONE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT CALLS. I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT CALL TAKERS HERE, YOU KNOW, 911 WHAT'S YOUR EMERGENCY OR NUMBER ONE, POLICE, FIRE, MEDICAL. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD IT. I'VE HEARD IT SAID DIFFERENT WAYS. OKAY. YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE TEAM CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT THEIR TRAINING PROTOCOLS ARE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD. I MEAN.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. YES. MAYOR. I WANT TO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SIR.

I KNOW I PUT A TIGHT TIMETABLE. WE PUT A TIGHT TIMETABLE TABLE ON YOU, SIR.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE DATA THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO BRING.

I WILL SAY I HAD, I DID HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO, AS WE TALKED EARLIER OF GETTING A TOUR OF DISPATCH AND I WILL ONLY REVISION I WILL MAKE TO THE SLIDE IS TECHNICALLY THERE.

THE FIRST LINE IN REGARDS TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE IT WAS AMAZING TO SEE THEM IN ACTION.

BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION WITH WHAT YOU EMAILED TO AND I'LL TALK WITH THE SHERIFF WHEN HE COMES UP TO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED ON THE DAIS AND IN REGARDS TO WHAT AGREEMENT WOULD COME FORTH IN REGARDS TO EIGHT HOURS AND VERSUS 12 HOURS.

YES, YES, EIGHT HOURS VERSUS 12 HOUR SHIFTS. SO HE INDICATED HE HONORED HE WILL HONOR THE, THE SHIFT SCHEDULES. OKAY. THAT WAS VERY CLEAR IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

HE WAS HONORING SENIORITY VACATION AND SICK LEAVE.

HE'S TAKING THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND CREDITING.

HE'S, HE'S HONORING THE SHIFT. IF THERE ARE EIGHT HOUR SCHEDULES AND THEY LOVE IT, THEY'LL WORK THROUGH THAT. SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF ACCOMMODATION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL SAVE MY QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF, SO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SHOULD WE GO STRAIGHT TO SPEAKERS, GENTLEMEN, OR DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS ANSWERED NOW? SURE. I MEAN, I SAY SPEAKERS. YEAH. SPEAKERS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TERESA. KELLY.

IS THIS THE ONLY ONE? IT IS. I'LL PASS IT AROUND.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TERESA KELLY.

I'M A PALM BAY RESIDENT, A RETIRED ARMY SERGEANT, FIRST CLASS, AND A FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE.

MORE THAN 700 PEOPLE FROM PALM BAY AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE SIGNED A PETITION THAT I HAVE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL ASKING YOU TO FULLY EVALUATE THIS DECISION BEFORE PALM BAY GIVES UP ITS POLICE COMMUNICATION CENTER.

THIS IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT WHETHER CONSOLIDATION CAN WORK.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS CONSOLIDATION IS THE RIGHT MODEL FOR PALM BAY, AND WHETHER WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE NECESSARY BEFORE MAKING AN IRREVERSIBLE DECISION. WE HAVE REAL OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS THAT DESERVE ANSWERS.

AFTER FIRE COMMUNICATIONS MOVED TO THE COUNTY, I HAVE PERSONALLY SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL PALM BAY FIRE RESCUE PERSONNEL WHO DESCRIBE OCCASIONS WHERE FIREFIGHTERS BELIEVE THAT THEY RECEIVE USEFUL INFORMATION BY MONITORING OUR POLICE CHANNELS THAT THEY ARE NOT RECEIVING THROUGH THEIR DISPATCH CHANNELS.

AND THERE WAS A RECENT INCIDENT AT A WEST MELBOURNE SCHOOL WHERE COMMUNICATIONS CAPTURED ON VIDEO SHOWED A BCSO DISPATCHER STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND INFORMATION BEING RELAYED DURING A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL RESPONSE.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON A DISPATCHER. IT DEMONSTRATES A LARGER ISSUE.

INTEROPERABILITY REALLY DOES MATTER, BUT INTEROPERABILITY AND CONSOLIDATION ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL CITY OF PALM BAY PERSONNEL WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, BUT ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK PUBLICLY, PUBLICLY. EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE THEY FEAR WORKPLACE REPERCUSSIONS.

PLEASE DO NOT INTERPRET THEIR SILENCE AS AGREEMENT.

GIVE THEM A CONFIDENTIAL WAY TO PROVIDE CANDID INPUT.

THERE IS NO CURRENT STATE MANDATE REQUIRING PALM BAY TO TRANSFER DISPATCH TO BCSO.

AS YOU KNOW, HB 1427 AND SB 1586 DID NOT BECOME LAW.

I CONTACTED REPRESENTATIVE DANNY ALVAREZ, THE HOUSE SPONSOR.

HIS RESPONSES ARE IN THAT PACKET. HE EXPLAINED THAT THIS IS A MULTIYEAR PROCESS INVOLVING STAKEHOLDER NEGOTIATIONS WITH GOALS INCLUDING RADIO AND CAD INTEROPERABILITY AND COORDINATED EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

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AND BEFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT PALM BAY CANNOT AFFORD TO IMPROVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

HAVE WE FULLY EXPLORED STATE BY STATE FUNDING? RIGHT. FLORIDA EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS FRAMEWORK SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR 911 SYSTEMS, CAD INTEROPERABILITY, RADIO COMMUNICATIONS, AND OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY.

STATE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS GRANTS ALSO EXIST FOR SYSTEM UPGRADES AND NEXT GENERATION 911.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GUARANTEED FUNDING. IT MEANS WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT PALM BAY AND BREVARD COUNTY MAY QUALIFY FOR BEFORE ELIMINATING AN EXISTING ASSET COMPARED.

BCSO CONSOLIDATION WITH STRENGTHENING PALM BAY CENTER AND WITH A REGIONAL MODEL WHERE PALM BAY REMAINS A PEACE APP WITH EVALUATING CAD INTEROPERABILITY AND RECIPROCAL BACKUP AND OVERFLOW CAPABILITY. THANK YOU. PINELLAS.

PENELOPE CRISP. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL PENELOPE CRISP OF POPLAR STREET, SOUTHEAST. TONIGHT, I WANT TO BRING TO LIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF OFFICER SAFETY.

IN COLLABORATION WITH TELECOMMUNICATIONS OFFICER.

SAFETY IS THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. THEY MUST REMAIN AT THE CENTER OF ANY DECISION INVOLVING EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.

WHEN STAFFING CANNOT KEEP PACE WITH CALL VOLUME AND RADIO TRAFFIC, DISPATCHERS BECOME OVERWHELMED.

CRITICAL INFORMATION CAN BE DELAYED OR MISSED, AND OFFICERS MAY NOT RECEIVE TIMELY SUPPORT AND SITUATIONAL AWARENESS THEY DEPEND ON.

WE CANNOT CREATE A SYSTEM THAT SAVES MONEY ON PAPER WHILE PLACING OUR OFFICERS AT A GREATER RISK IN THE FIELD.

THERE'S A SERIOUS CONCERN THAT DESERVES CONSIDERATION THAT IS ACTIVELY OCCURRING OUTSIDE OF OUR AGENCY.

SWORN DEPUTIES WHO ARE ALSO CERTIFIED PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS, ARE BEING PULLED FROM OFF THE ROAD TO HELP FILL SHORTAGES IN COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE NOT SOLVING ONE STAFFING PROBLEM.

BY CONSOLIDATING, WE ARE POTENTIALLY MOVING THE SHORTAGE FROM ONE CRITICAL POSITION TO ANOTHER.

EVERY DEPUTY TAKEN OFF THE ROAD TO STAFF A COMMUNICATIONS POSITION IS ONE FEWER DEPUTY AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO CALLS.

WHILE EVERY COMMUNICATIONS VACANCY CREATES ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD FOR THE DISPATCHERS WHO REMAIN ON THE FLOOR. BCSO IDENTIFIES ITS DISPATCHERS AS THE CRITICAL LINK RESPONSIBLE FOR RECEIVING EMERGENCY CALLS, COORDINATING FIRST RESPONDERS, AND HELPING ENSURE RESPONDER SAFETY.

SO STAFFING THAT FUNCTION ADEQUATELY IS ESSENTIAL, BUT IT SHOULD NOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF ADEQUATE LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFFING IN THE FIELD.

IF PALM BAY IS CONSIDERING MOVING ITS COMMUNICATIONS WORKLOAD INTO THAT SYSTEM, THE QUESTION BECOMES EVEN MORE IMPORTANT HOW MANY ADDITIONAL DISPATCHERS WILL ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE TO HANDLE HANDLE PALM BAY CALL VOLUME? AND WILL THOSE. WHERE WILL THOSE PERSONNEL COME FROM? BECAUSE THIS CONSOLIDATION DOESN'T ALIGN WITH SEVERAL CURRENT DISPATCHERS, AND BCO WILL NOT BE OBTAINING AS MANY OF US AS THEY ASSUME THEY WILL.

IF THE ANSWER INVOLVES PULLING ADDITIONAL SWORN PERSONNEL AWAY FROM THE ROAD THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT NOT ONLY ON DISPATCH RESPONSE, BUT ALSO ON THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO THE CALLS BEING DISPATCHED.

AS DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE STATED IN THE BUDGET MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, THE DECISIONS COUNCIL MAKES HAVE RIPPLE EFFECTS.

I WANT YOU TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE WHEN PROCEEDING IN THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR WILLIAMS. FORGIVE ME AS I'M SICK. I WANT TO SPEAK TO ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I'M SORRY.

I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY, BUT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE UNSAID. WE ARE ALREADY SEEING A DEATH OCCUR IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND THE DELIVERY OF FIRE RESCUE SERVICES ARE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

IN THAT INSTANCE, AN OFFICER PERFORMED CPR ON SCENE FOR 30 MINUTES 30 MINUTES WHILE THE PATIENT WAS WITHOUT ADDITIONAL MEDICAL ASSISTANCE BECAUSE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE SENT RESOURCES TO THE INCORRECT ADDRESS.

I'M NOT HERE TO ASSIGN BLAME TO THE INDIVIDUAL FIREFIGHTERS, DISPATCHERS, OR TO ANYONE WHO RESPONDED THAT DAY.

I'M HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS THAT CAN HAVE CONSEQUENCES MEASURED NOT IN DOLLARS, BUT IN SECONDS AND SOMETIMES IN LIVES.

WE CANNOT WAIT UNTIL ANOTHER TRAGEDY OCCURS BEFORE ASKING WHETHER OUR SYSTEM IS STRUCTURED TO PROVIDE THE FASTEST, MOST INFORMED AND MOST ACCOUNTABLE RESPONSE POSSIBLE.

IF WE MOVE TOWARDS A SYSTEM THAT CREATES ADDITIONAL LAYERS, SEPARATES LOCAL KNOWLEDGE FROM THE PEOPLE ANSWERING THE CALLS, OR INTRODUCES UNNECESSARY DELAYS IN THE FLOWS OF CRITICAL INFORMATION, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, HOW MANY MORE LIVES ARE WE WILLING TO PUT AT RISK BEFORE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE EXAMINED? ONE DEATH IS NOT A STATISTICS. ONE FAMILY IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE CAUSE FOR RESTRUCTURING.

EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. WE OWE OUR RESIDENTS A SYSTEM DESIGNED AROUND THE BEST POSSIBLE CHANCE OF SURVIVAL,

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I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK ONE MORE THING. WHENEVER YOU GUYS HAD THE THE NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN, THERE WERE NO NUMBERS ABOUT THE ROLLOVERS WITH BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.

YOU GUYS HAD MULTIPLE NUMBERS UP THERE, BUT NO NUMBERS ABOUT HOW MANY ROLLOVERS FROM PALM BAY TO MELBOURNE, BECAUSE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DID NOT ANSWER THE CALLS.

THAT WAS NOT UP THERE. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TOUCH ON COUNCILMAN HAMMER, YOU HAD ASKED WHENEVER WE ASK IF YOU NEED BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE OR IF YOU NEED MEDICAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE ASK THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED.

IF WE NEED TO SEND POLICE, WE NEED TO SEND MEDICAL.

IF WE NEED TO SEND FIRE, IF WE NEED TO SEND BOTH OF THEM.

WE ASK THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SENATOR.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SANTA, RIGHT.

I AM SO TOUCHED BY OUR DISPATCHERS. I WROTE A SPEECH AND I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S HEARTBREAKING FOR ME TO STAND HERE AND TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS DON'T SEE THE NEED THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE ARE THE LARGEST CITY, AND YOU WANT TO OUTSOURCE THE MOST IMPORTANT DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE.

YOU'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT MR. MORTON WENT TO BROWARD COUNTY, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COCONUT CREEK DOESN'T PARTICIPATE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CITIES DOWN THERE. YOU ARE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.

YOU WANT TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. YOU CONTACT LEON COUNTY AND YOU TALK TO THE DISPATCHERS OVER THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DID IN TALLAHASSEE.

I CONTACT COLLIER COUNTY, WHICH IS THE MOST ADVANCED SYSTEM IN THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA.

SO LET'S DO APPLES TO APPLES AND ORANGES TO. ORANGES.

OUR DISPATCHERS NEED TO BE LOCAL. I HAD TO CALL 911 A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO BECAUSE I HAD TWO PEOPLE FIGHTING MY FRONT DOOR.

I DON'T KNOW THEM. DISPATCH KNEW RIGHT AWAY MY ADDRESS.

I DIDN'T HAVE TO SPELL BIR OR BRE BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD.

THEY KNOW THESE OFFICERS. THEY KNOW IF THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THEIR VOICES, IF THEY'RE IN DANGER, THEY KNOW THEM. YOU'RE TRYING TO TRANSFER OUR CITY TO A COUNTY THAT CAN'T HANDLE THE DEMAND THAT THERE IS.

AS IT IS, WHEN YOU TRY TO GET EVERYTHING IN YOUR SIDE OF THE BALL HERE, WE LOSE THE CONNECTIVITY TO HUMAN CARING.

IF SOMEBODY IS DYING, YOU WANT THEM TO GET THERE.

IF YOUR SON FALLS IN THE POOL, GOD FORBID YOU WANT SOMEBODY THERE IMMEDIATELY.

THOSE NUMBERS DO NOT GENERATE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY.

WHY? BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRANSFERS. WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT POLICE AND THEIR RESPONSE TIME? WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT POLICE AND WHAT THEY DO? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE A CHIEF THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO CARRY THIS ON.

AND I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE IN 44 YEARS WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CHIEFS AND NOBODY HAS SAID TO THIS DAIS OR TO THE CITY, HEY, LET'S GET RID OF OUR DISPATCHERS.

WHY ARE WE DOING THAT NOW? WHY THE RUSH? YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FUNDED UNTIL 2027.

LET'S TAKE A YEAR. LET'S LOOK AT LEON COUNTY, HOW THEY HAVE A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT DOES IT.

THEY KEPT THEIR THEIR DISPATCHERS EMPLOYED BY THE COUNTY.

AND THIS COMPANY COMES IN AND THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.

IF YOU NEED TO UPDATE THE SOFTWARE, IF YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING, AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE WHO I SPOKE TO.

I'VE BEEN MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE ALL THE DOCUMENTATIONS THAT I HAVE. BUT MAYOR, YOU WANT YOUR CITY AND YOUR LEGACY TO BE THIS.

YOU WANT TO STAND BY THIS. YOU GOT RID OF OUR DISPATCHERS.

YOU ALL. YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE A FUTURE IN POLITICS? DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS STAIN ON YOUR RECORD? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. FAILURE IS GOING TO BE BEHIND YOUR NAMES.

PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU.

MICHAEL ZIGGLER.

IT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. COUNCIL CITY MANAGER MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MIKE ZIEGLER 2471 SNAPDRAGON.

I DO WANT TO THANK OUR CHIEF FOR HAVING THE SUPPORT.

AND YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATE RIGHT NOW. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

IT'S TOUGH TO DO WITHIN THREE MINUTES. THIS CONTRACT SHOULD BE IN THE SHREDDER, NOT ON AN AGENDA.

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IT IS A BLANK CHECK ATTACHED TO A SURRENDER AGREEMENT.

ALL RIGHT. WE ALL HAVE. WE'RE ALL HERE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

BUT THIS CONTRACT DOES NOT PUT THEIR SAFETY FIRST.

PALM BAY WOULD GIVE AWAY DISPATCH EQUIPMENT, SURRENDER OPERATIONAL TECHNOLOGY, DISMANTLE ITS LOCAL COMMUNICATIONS CENTER WITHOUT GUARANTEED STAFFING LEVELS, RESPONSE TIMES, SYSTEM PERFORMANCE, OR MEANINGFUL ACCOUNTABILITY.

I REQUESTED A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST A MONTH AGO FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I WAS MET WITH A $5,000 INVOICE FOR THESE QUESTIONS.

I CAN'T PAY THAT. I CAN, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.

LET'S GO BACK INTO A LITTLE OTHER. WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

INTEROPERABILITY. CENTRAL SQUARE UNIFY CAN ALLOW US TO TALK TO THE SHERIFF'S CAD SYSTEM.

WE AS DISPATCHERS CAN TAKE THOSE MEDICAL CALLS WITHOUT TRANSFERRING.

AND THERE IS NO COST TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THIS IS WHERE THAT $0.40 THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE 911 CENTER COVERS ALL THE INTEROPERABILITY IS AT OUR HANDS WITH NO COST TO US. WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE OUR EQUIPMENT AWAY, PAY $70,000 TO RELOCATE IT, UPGRADE IT, AND THEN $1.5 MILLION IN SERVICE FEES THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAX OUR OUR CITIZENS FOR THE INTEROPERABILITY WILL EVEN MEET THE LEGISLATION LATER ON. SO YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THESE ROLLOVER CALLS.

THEY WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION.

AND ONCE WE DO, IT SHOWS UP ON THE SHERIFF'S CAD INSTANTLY.

NO MORE TRANSFERS. THIS IS AN OPTION THAT NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT.

CENTRAL SQUARE UNIFIED CAN MAKE THIS SYSTEM INTEROPERABLE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS.

NO TRANSFERS. NO CONTRACTS. CITY SAFE. OUR OFFICERS ARE SAFE, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY HANDS.

BLOOD ON OUR HANDS OR STAINS THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET BACK LATER ON.

YES. MR. WARREN, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE ON THE INFORMATION UP THERE, BUT WE DO NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, AS YOU STATED. ROLLOVER CALLS. HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED TO THE SHERIFF DIDN'T GET ANSWERED AND ROLLED OVER TO ANOTHER CITY.

WHERE'S THAT INFORMATION? BECAUSE THAT NUMBER IS HIGH.

THIS INTEROPERABILITY WILL ELIMINATE THAT. WE WILL TAKE THE CALLS AND.

PROBLEM SOLVED. THANK YOU. CHRISTINA WRIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. WELL, LIKE MOST PEOPLE, EVERYONE HAD A SPEECH PLANNED, AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO SCRATCH THAT TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS.

I THINK IT'S FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DETAILS AND CORRECT THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AND THE COMMUNITY HERE TODAY.

TO START, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. HOWEVER, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS AN OVERLOADED ONE.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS UNFORTUNATELY DEALING WITH STAFFING ISSUES.

AND THAT HAS SHOWN BECAUSE IT BLEEDS TO THE OTHER AGENCIES.

THEY EVERYONE HAS MENTIONED THE 911 ROLLOVERS.

THOSE ARE LIFE AND DEATH CALLS THAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE TAKING TO MAKE UP FOR WHAT IS LACKING AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

CURRENTLY. A LOT OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED WAS NOT IMPARTIAL.

THERE IS AN AGENDA AND ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T A BAD ONE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.

A LOT OF THE DATA THAT WAS GATHERED WAS VERY USEFUL AND IS GREAT INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE PICTURE. THERE ARE AGENCIES THAT HAVE CONSOLIDATED AND ARE NOW WORKING TOWARDS REVERSING THOSE CONSOLIDATIONS BECAUSE IT JUST WASN'T WORKING FOR THEM. AND THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES, AND IT'S GREAT THAT THEY ARE ENTERTAINING THOSE OPTIONS AND WORKING THROUGH THAT.

HOWEVER, THIS SPEED IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO DO THIS IS IS JUST NOT THE MOVE IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. THERE HAS TO BE DATA THAT HAS TO BE GATHERED.

AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S MISSING A LOT OF INFORMATION.

AND WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS TAKEN OVER SEVERAL AGENCIES, LEAVING ONLY FOUR LEFT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

AND NONE OF THAT DATA IS UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

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WILL THEY STILL BE UP TO STANDARD? ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE IT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL. HOWEVER.

WE ARE BETTER. THANK YOU. LYDIA BARBER.

HI, I'M LYDIA BARBER, MAYOR COUNCIL. I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH 911 IN THAT IN THE 80S, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING MANY OF THE 911 SYSTEMS THAT WERE IN THE C AMP TELEPHONE COMPANY AREA OF WASHINGTON, DC. SO IT WAS MARYLAND, WEST VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA.

YEAH. AND I AGREE THAT THE BEST THING TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR A PIECE APP TO BE HANDLING ALL OF THE CALLS RATHER THAN IT BEING DIVIDED.

BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT TRANSFERRING WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL HERE.

THE POLICE. 911 OVER TO THE COUNTY WHEN WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

IN ADDITION, THE CONTRACT THAT I LOOKED AT TODAY WAS SO ONE SIDED, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE WOULD REALLY SIGN IT TO ALLOW ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING TO GO THERE AND NOT TO HAVE ANY RECOURSE ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAN'T CONTINUE THE SERVICE, WE GET NOTHING BACK.

THAT'S JUST WRONG. SO THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT I THINK STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND ONE OF ONE OF THEM TOO, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS ROLLOVER.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS. THERE'S GOT TO BE A PLACE WHERE CALLS CAN GO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AT ROCKLEDGE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO WHY NOT KEEP THE PS APP HERE AS BEING THE SECOND LOCATION SO THAT THERE ARE TWO PLACES THAT ARE HANDLING ALL THE CONSOLIDATED CALLS? THANK YOU. MARSHALL JONES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARSHALL JONES. I'M AT 1634 WYOMING.

LONG TIME RESIDENT, FIRST TIME SPEAKER. FOLKS, I DON'T ENVY YOUR DECISION.

YOU KNOW, EVEN ON REALITY TV, YOU GET 90 DAY FIANCÉ.

SO I'LL ALSO EXTEND THIS TO TO THE SHERIFF. THIS IS REALLY A FAST TIMELINE TO TRY TO MAKE A CONSEQUENTIAL DECISION LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO DIVORCE. YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS THIS HAPPENS.

SO FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, I'M RETIRED PALM BAY OFFICER.

I RETIRED IN 2003, AND FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS I HAVE STUDIED FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY.

I HAVE A MASTER'S IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE MASTER'S, AND I HAVE PSYCHOLOGY AND DOCTORATE IN BUSINESS.

AND I DO STAFF STUDIES AND ORGANIZATIONAL STUDIES.

THAT'S PART OF MY CONSULTING. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I FOUND OUT THREE DAYS AGO THAT THIS MIGHT HAPPEN, WHICH CONCERNED ME AS A RESIDENT. AND I TOOK A LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND I TRUST WAYNE, THIS IS HOME FOR ME, BUT THIS IS FAST. I MEAN, IT USUALLY TAKES A CITY THAT'S GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING 30 OR 90 DAYS JUST TO PUT OUT A BID TO FIND AN OBJECTIVE GROUP TO COME IN AND STUDY THIS ISSUE. THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE DISPATCHERS WHO, AFTER YEARS OR DECADES OF SERVICE, MAY BE DISPLACED, AND THEY'RE HEARING THINGS ABOUT THE RETENTION OF THE DISPATCHERS FROM OTHER AGENCIES.

THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO BE HAVE.

THE. THE CONTRACT IS ABSENT OF THAT. AND TALKING WITH THE SHERIFF EARLIER, THERE'S AN MOU MOU THAT WILL ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

AND I THINK FOR THE COMMUNITY, THOSE THOSE ISSUES NEED TO BE MADE TRANSPARENT.

THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT WITH THE UPCOMING NOVEMBER ISSUE WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, I KNOW THERE ARE BUDGET ISSUES.

THESE ARE VERY CONSEQUENTIAL ISSUES. AND AGAIN, I DO EMPATHIZE WITH THE POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE IN.

AND I ALSO EMPHASIZE, EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, THE WORD I'M TRYING TO EMPHASIZE.

I MISSED IT AGAIN, DIDN'T I? I FEEL SORRY FOR THE CITY MANAGER IN THIS REGARD.

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AND EVERY AGENCY IS DIFFERENT. AND I WILL SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND I'VE ASSISTED THE AGENCY YEAR AFTER YEAR.

AND LOOKING AT THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FDLE NUMBERS, OUR CITY HAS SOME OF THE LOWEST OFFICER PER POPULATION RATIOS IN THE STATE.

THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT I'VE LOOKED, IT'S IN THE BOTTOM 5 TO 7 AGENCIES IN THE ENTIRE STATE.

BUT THEY DO AMAZING WORK AND I THINK THE STATS PLAY OUT ON THAT.

BUT IT'S A TEAM EFFORT. AND HAVING DISPATCHERS WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY AND THAT INTERACT ABILITY IS PART OF THE SYNERGY THAT MAKES ALL THAT HAPPEN. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO TAKE A BREATH, TAKE A TAKE A STEP BACK, FIND AN OBJECTIVE PARTY WHO CAN TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS AND ALLOW YOU ALL TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DEBORAH.

GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN. DEBBIE BROCK 1821 AGORA CIRCLE.

THIS IS A BAD IDEA. THE ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD TONIGHT THAT NOBODY HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS OUR DISPATCHERS ARE UNDER ENOUGH STRESS AS IT IS. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A 40 MINUTE RIDE IN TRAFFIC.

WHAT STRESS DOES THAT PUT ON THEM? NOW THEY HAVE TO GO AFTER BEING STRESSED OUT BECAUSE OF OUR TRAFFIC, AND TRY TO KEEP CALM AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

I ASK ANY OF YOU, COULD YOU DO IT? BECAUSE I KNOW IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT CONTRACT. THE GENTLEMAN WAS RIGHT.

IT IS ONE SIDED. NOTHING AGAINST SHERIFF IVEY, BUT IF HE GETS VOTED OUT OR SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT HE DON'T LIKE, HE'S. WE'RE DONE. WE DON'T WANT A DISPATCH FOR YOU ANYMORE.

THEN WHAT DO WE DO? YOU ALL NEED TO REALLY, SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THIS.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S DECIDED IN 30 DAYS BECAUSE YOU GUYS KEEP BUILDING.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT A 160,000. ANOTHER TWO YEARS WILL PROBABLY BE A 200,000.

HOW MUCH MORE ARE OUR CALLS GOING TO GO UP? HOW WILL THEY HANDLE THAT? AND IT'S NOT ONLY US THAT'S GOING UP. EVERY CITY THAT THEY'RE TAKING OVER IS BUILDING.

SO THAT MEANS THEIR CALL VOLUMES ARE GOING UP.

EVENTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS? SOMETHING'S GOING TO BREAK.

AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. CHERYL. SMITH.

CHERYL. CHERYL SMITH. MAYOR COUNCIL.

I'M NOT USED TO SPEAKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, BUT I HEARD ABOUT THIS NOT TOO LONG AGO.

I'M UNDER THE SAME IMPRESSION AS MOST OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN.

IT'S NUMBER ONE TOO FAST. WE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

I USED TO BE A CONTRACTING OFFICER FOR THE US GOVERNMENT, SIGNING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CONTRACTS.

YOU DON'T DO IT IN 30 DAYS, BELIEVE ME. YOU JUST DON'T DO IT.

IT MAY NOT BE THAT MUCH MONEY, $100 MILLION, BUT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYERS HERE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A MORE IN DEPTH LOOK AT IT.

WE NEED TO AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S NOT IT'S SEEMS LIKE IT'S A ONE SIDED CONTRACT.

AND THERE'S PEOPLE HERE ON THIS SIDE THAT ARE REALLY PUSHING FOR IT.

I KNOW THEY ARE. AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE REASONS WHY IT'S HAPPENING, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME KIND OF UNDERLYING AGENDA HERE.

WELL, A BUNCH OF US HAVE DISCUSSED IT AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW, BUT I DO THINK IT NEEDS SOME DEEPER THOUGHT AND UNDERSTANDING BEFORE WE JUST JUMP INTO IT. AND I MYSELF LOVE WAYNE IVEY. I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE FDLE, BUT NOTHING AGAINST THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

RHONDA SALTER.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS RHONDA SALTER.

I AM HERE AGAIN TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DISASTROUS MOVE IN TRANSFERRING PALM BAY DISPATCH TO THE.

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THOSE THAT ACTUALLY WORK AND ANSWER CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THEY STATE THE INCREASED RESPONSE TIMES ARE JUST NOW ACCEPTABLE DOWN THERE.

SO WE ARE GOING TO LOWER THE BAR AS FAR AS EFFICIENCY.

BUT IF IT SAVES MONEY ON THE BUDGET, THAT'S OKAY.

AND IF WE ARE GOING TO BE USING BROWARD COUNTY, WHICH IS SMALLER THAN US AS OUR MODEL, THEN WILL WE HAVE THREE REGIONAL GENERAL COMMUNICATION CENTERS AS WELL? THEY HAVE THREE OF THEM.

THEY ARE LOCATED IN PEMBROKE PINES, SUNRISE AND CORAL SPRINGS.

WHEN I ASKED A MEMBER OF CORAL SPRINGS POLICE DEPARTMENT, A PATROL OFFICER WHO WORKS THE ROAD, THEY STATED THAT THE THREE REGIONAL COMMUNICATION CENTERS ARE THERE AS A FAIL SAFE METHOD.

THAT WAY, CITIZENS CAN STILL COMMUNICATE. OFFICERS AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS STILL CAN COMMUNICATE TO EACH OTHER WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.

AS STATED BEFORE, COCONUT CREEK, CORAL SPRINGS AND PLANTATION, ALL WITH A COMBINED POPULATION OF 293,000 RESIDENTS.

THEY CHOSE TO LET THE CITIZENS, THEIR COUNCIL CHOSE TO LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE WHAT WAS BEST FOR THEM.

AND WITH THAT, THEY OPTED OUT. THEY HAD CITED REASONS FOR INCREASED RESPONSE TIMES, LOCAL AUTONOMY, AND LOWER QUALITY OF SERVICES TO THEIR RESIDENTS.

NOW, CORAL SPRINGS DISPATCHES FOR COCONUT CREEK, NOT THE COUNTY.

AND NOTE BOTH COCONUT CREEK AND CORAL SPRINGS ARE SIX MILES FROM PARKLAND, WHICH IS WHERE THIS BILL IS STEMMING FROM.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN EXPIRES? WITH PALM BAY BEING ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE COUNTY? WHAT IS THE SHERIFF AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS GOING TO BE ASKING AND EXPECTING AS PAYMENT FOR MORE DISPATCH? BECAUSE WE'LL BE STUCK WITH IT. BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE COUNTY DISPATCH SYSTEM GOES DOWN? SINCE WE'RE ON JUST ONE. IT IS SAD TO SEE THIS COUNCIL SPEND MORE TIME AND RESOURCES IN TRYING TO KEEP A SWIMMING POOL GOING THAN KEEP EMERGENCY DISPATCH WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS. I ASK ALL OF YOU TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THIS DECISION, BECAUSE IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO A CITIZEN OR AN OFFICER.

THANK YOU. YOU GOT TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. DARLENE LEE.

DARLENE LEE. MAYOR.

COUNCIL. I SUPPORT THIS 911. MY NAME IS DARLENE LEE AND THESE ARE ALL MY FRIENDS BACK HERE AND THEY LOVE TO CALL ME TROUBLE.

I SUPPORT SENIOR CITIZENS ALL THE WAY AND DON'T.

IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. THANK YOU.

DONALD BERNSTEIN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DONALD.

I'M ASKING YOU TO KEEP PALM BAY POLICE DISPATCH LOCAL AND INVEST IN UPGRADING THE SYSTEM.

THIS DECISION AFFECTS APPROXIMATELY 160,000 RESIDENTS.

OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND DISPATCHERS WHO SERVED THERE AS THEIR LIFELINE.

WHEN SOMEONE CALLS 911 DURING THE WORST MOMENT OF THEIR LIFE, DISPATCH IS NOT SIMPLY AN EXPENSE ON A SPREADSHEET.

IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM.

WE ARE BEING TOLD TO TRANSFER DISPATCH SERVICES TO COUNTIES THAT COULD SAVE BETWEEN 1 AND $2 MILLION ANNUALLY.

THAT ESTIMATE DESERVES A CAREFUL AND INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION.

CURRENT REPORTING SHOWS THAT SUPPORT SITE ANNUAL SAVINGS OF 1 TO $2 MILLION.

WHILE OPPONENTS QUESTION RESPONSE TIMES AND LOSS OF LOCAL JOBS BEFORE GIVING UP PERMANENT PUBLIC SAFETY CAPABILITY.

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THAT ANALYSIS SHOULD INCLUDE TRANSITION EXPENSES.

FURTHER COUNTY CHARGES. TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION, STAFFING, PENSION OBLIGATIONS, ACCOUNTABILITY STANDARDS, AND THE COST OF REBUILDING A LOCAL DISPATCH CENTER.

IF CONSOLIDATION FAILS, A SHORT TERM SAVINGS CAN BECOME A LONG TERM LIABILITY.

ONCE LOCAL DISPATCHERS, EQUIPMENT, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND OPERATIONAL CONTROL ARE GONE, RESTORING THEM MAY BE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE THAN UPGRADING THE SYSTEM TODAY.

FLORIDA DOES NOT REQUIRE MODERN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CAPABILITIES, INCLUDING THE ABILITY TO DISPATCH RESPONDERS DIRECTLY OR TRANSFER CALL DATA ELECTRONICALLY. HOWEVER, THE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE PALM BAY TO ELIMINATE ITS MUNICIPAL DISPATCH CENTER.

A MODERN CAD TO CAD CONNECTION MAY PROVIDE ANOTHER PATH TO COMPLIANCE WHILE ALLOWING PALM BAY TO RETAIN LOCAL DISPATCH.

THE PALM BAY PALM BAY DISPATCHERS KNOW OUR STREETS, NEIGHBORHOODS, OFFICERS, LANDMARKS, RECRUITING PROBLEMS, LOCATIONS, AND LOCAL PROCEDURES. TECHNOLOGY MATTERS, BUT SO DO LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, ESTABLISHED WORKING RELATIONSHIPS, AND DIRECT ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE THE CITY. THIS SHOULD NOT BE FRAMED AS CHOOSING BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. UPGRADING LOCAL DISPATCH IS AN INVESTMENT IN BOTH.

WE CAN MODERNIZE THE SYSTEM, PURSUE GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS, IMPROVE INOPERABILITY, AND PRESERVE LOCAL OPERATIONAL CONTROL.

WE DO NOT. WE DO NOT MAKE AN IRREVERSIBLE DECISION BASED ON PRIMARY AND PROJECTED SAVINGS.

AND TO BE REAL QUICK, DISPATCH IS NOT SIMPLY AN EXPENSIVE SPREADSHEET.

FLORIDA DOES NOT REQUIRE PALM BAY TO ELIMINATE.

MUNICIPALITY DISPATCH CENTERS DO NOT MAKE AN IRREVERSIBLE BASE PRIMARY PROJECTION.

I SHORTENED IT. THANK YOU. DANIELLE. COTTERMAN.

DANIEL. HEY, HOW Y'ALL DOING? I'M GETTING THERE.

I'M GETTING THERE. HOPEFULLY Y'ALL REMEMBER ME.

MY NAME IS DANIEL COTTERMAN 313 AINSLIE STREET RIGHT HERE IN PALM BAY.

I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING RID OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY SO THAT EVERYONE IN THESE YELLOW SHIRTS HERE CAN KEEP THEIR JOB? BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? THEY ARE CITIZENS. NOT ONLY DO THEY DO WHAT THEIR JOB IS THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO ELIMINATE OR MOVE UP TO OUR GREAT SHERIFF, WHICH I DO HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT MAN.

HE'S A GREAT DUDE. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 37 EMPLOYEES HERE.

OKAY. ROUGHLY SPEAKING. RIGHT. AND WE'RE ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT ENOUGH JOBS FOR OUR CITIZENS HERE.

AND YOU GUYS WANT TO GET RID OF THEM. THEY DO SUCH A GREAT JOB FOR US.

I MEAN, LOOK AT THEM. THE LAST TIME I WAS UP HERE, YOU GUYS GOT ONE JOB IS TO LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S THESE PEOPLE PAYING YOUR SALARY. PLEASE LISTEN TO THEM.

SIMPLE. MEGAN. ROANE.

HELLO. MY NAME IS MEGAN ROANE AND I CURRENTLY WORK AS A NINE ONE DISPATCHER HERE AT PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS IN FACT A PRIMARY PEACE APP. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, AND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS VENTURE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER ON YOUR OWN TIME TO SIT WITH US AND SEE FIRSTHAND WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ABOUT THE CHALLENGES WE FACE AND THE CONCERNS THAT COME WITH MOVING TO A CONSOLIDATED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

IT MEANS A LOT TO THE PEOPLE SITTING BEHIND THOSE CONSOLES EVERY DAY. I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT TO LOOK BEYOND THE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS OF CONSOLIDATION, AND LOOK AT WHAT PALM BAY HAS BUILT INSIDE THE COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

THREE FULLY TRAINED AND FULLY CERTIFIED DISPATCHERS CAME TO PALM BAY FROM SATELLITE BEACH RATHER THAN GOING TO THE UCC.

TOGETHER, THOSE THREE DISPATCHERS BROUGHT 23 YEARS OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS EXPERIENCE WITH THEM.

THREE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAD THE TRAINING, EXPERIENCE AND CERTIFICATION NECESSARY TO DO THE JOB.

MADE A CHOICE, AND THEY CHOSE PALM BAY. EXCUSE ME.

I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. I LIVE IN COCOA. EVERY TIME I DRIVE TO WORK, I PASS THE UCC IN ROCKLEDGE.

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WHY? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HERE. BECAUSE OF THE MORALE.

BECAUSE OF THE TEAMWORK. BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE'VE CREATED TOGETHER.

WHEN YOU WORK IN PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS, THOSE THINGS MATTER.

THIS IS A DIFFICULT JOB. DISPATCHERS SPEND THEIR SHIFT HEARING PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE ON WHAT MAY BE THE WORST DAY OF THEIR LIVES.

THEY HANDLE EMERGENCIES, SEND OFFICERS INTO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS, AND CARRY THE WEIGHT OF THOSE CALLS LONG AFTER THAT PHONE CALL IS DISCONNECTED.

YOU CANNOT MEASURE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES A COMMUNICATION CENTER SUCCESSFUL ON A SPREADSHEET.

YOU CANNOT PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON A TEAM THAT TRUSTS EACH OTHER.

YOU CANNOT PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON EMPLOYEES WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO COME TO WORK.

AND YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT EXPERIENCE CERTIFIED DISPATCHERS HAVE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED WHERE THEY WANT TO WORK.

I CAME FROM AN AGENCY THAT WENT THROUGH CONSOLIDATION, SO I KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT ONCE YOU MAKE THIS DECISION, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT UNDO IT. IF THE REALITY DOESN'T TURN OUT THE WAY YOU EXPECTED.

PALM BAY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO INVEST IN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY WORKING ITS PEOPLE.

SO BEFORE WE ELIMINATE OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATING.

YOU'RE NOT JUST MOVING PHONES AND RADIOS TO ANOTHER BUILDING, YOU'RE CHANGING A TEAM, YOU'RE CHANGING A CULTURE, AND YOU'RE POTENTIALLY LOSING THE VERY PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHOSEN PALM BAY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS DECISION BASED SOLELY ON WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE THE COMMUNICATION CENTER.

LOOK AT WHAT IT MEANS TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE, THE OFFICERS WHO DEPEND ON US AND THE RESIDENTS WHO CALL 911.

SOMETIMES THE CHEAPEST OPTION IS NOT THE SAME THING AS THE BEST VALUE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BUTCH. BUTCH. URINE.

EXCUSE ME. PUT YOUR HAND. 219 TRENTON AVENUE.

A LOT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY SO. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING. THIS MOU OR MOU THAT THEY MENTIONED, HAVE WE SEEN THAT? HAS THE CITY LOOKED AT THAT? HAS IT BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU? IF NOT, WHY NOT ROLL OVER CALLS ONCE AGAIN? DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT DURING THIS SESSION. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO UPGRADE OUR CURRENT SYSTEM TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT THEY HAVE DOWN AT ROCKLEDGE? GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF NOT KNOWING THE CITY LIMITS.

LET'S SAY A CALL COMES UP TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE UP THERE.

I GOT A CRASH AT JUPITER AND. EMERSON AVENUE.

YOU LOSE THE CALL. WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TO DISPATCH.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO DISPATCH TO? THESE FOLKS WOULD KNOW TO SEND CARS TO BOTH LOCATIONS, A COUPLE OF SECONDS. SAVE SOMEBODY'S LIFE. POSSIBLY.

AND THERE WAS A PLACE PUT UP THERE THAT SHOWED THE COST COMPARED TO PALM BAY VERSUS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

COULD YOU THROW THAT UP THERE FOR ME? BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET A GOOD LOOK AT IT. IT WAS UP THERE QUICK.

IT WAS. IT WAS MR. MORTON'S PRESENTATION. IT WAS A COST ANALYSIS.

WELL, HE'S SPEAKING. CAN YOU LOOK FOR IT? YEAH. CARRY ON SIR.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT IN THE FUTURE IT'S GOING TO COST $500,000 A YEAR FOR THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW HERE.

WHAT DOES THAT COST? AND I COULD BE WRONG BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, IT WENT UP VERY QUICK.

THAT ONE IS IT THAT ONE THERE? LET'S SEE. 520,000 520,000 520,000.

UP THERE. YOU SEE PALM BAY OPERATING COST. IT LOOKS LIKE NINE, NINE AND NINE.

I'M CONFUSED. THANK YOU. MR. MORTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? YES, SIR. SO THE THE COST YOU'RE SEEING IS THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THE CONTRACT.

THAT'S ALL THAT WE'VE SEEN DOCUMENTED. THAT'S JUST WHAT THE PROPOSAL THAT SENT WAS US. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AT 525, 2544 OR 545.

THE TOTAL COST OF TRANSFER NUMBER IS THE DIFFERENCE. AND THEN THAT BOTTOM IS THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THE COST OPERATE VERSUS THE COST OF TRANSFER IS. SO FISCAL YEAR 2728 IT'S $2.8 MILLION LESS TWO POINT FISCAL YEAR 2029.

IT'S 2.972 MILLION LESS. AND THEN AGAIN, IF THE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADE STILL HOLDS TRUE TO SASS IN 2030, IT'S $4.66 MILLION CHEAPER. SO THAT'S THE DELTAS THAT THAT'S THE BEST WE KNOW AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU. NEXT. NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT SPEAKER BILL DAVIDSON.

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MY NAME IS BILL DAVIDSON. I LIVE AT 1150 PIEDMONT AVENUE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY SINCE 1985. I'M AGAINST MOVING THIS, BUT THERE WAS SOME THE LAST TIME, SHERIFF, I WAS HERE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THE $2,500 SIGNING BONUS AND WHATNOT.

I'M NOT SURE. IS THERE A REAL GUARANTEE THEY WOULD BE HIRED? ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE A PAY CUT? BUT THE BIGGEST THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS FOR ME IS IF YOU FOLKS DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH IT.

THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED THE SHERIFF IV IF THEY MOVED THERE, WILL THEY STILL SERVICE PALM BAY OR WILL THEY BE INTEGRATED ACROSS THE REST OF THE COUNTY? IF THEY GET INTEGRATED ACROSS THE REST OF THE COUNTY, YOU JUST LOST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE FOR RESPONSE.

OKAY. THESE PEOPLE KNOW OUR TOWN, KNOW OUR CITY.

AND YOU GET, YOU KNOW, MARY JANE WHO DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PALM BAY.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE RESPONSE TIME? OKAY. TO ME, THAT'S I CONSIDER THAT A BIG ISSUE.

THE OTHER PART OF THIS, IT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I MAY NOT BE EXPERTLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THIS.

HOWEVER, I CONSIDER THERE'S THREE PIECES OF PIE HERE.

THERE'S WHAT I CALL THE POT PLAIN OLD TELEPHONE.

THERE ARE HOMES AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL TIED BY TWISTED PAIR CABLE TO A TELEPHONE EXCHANGE.

THOSE HAVE TO BE REROUTED, OKAY, BY SOME COMPUTER SYSTEM, HOWEVER.

THEN THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT HAVE A. INTERNET PHONE.

IT'S ON THE CLOUD THAT HAS TO BE ROUTED AND THEN WHAT I CALL THE MONSTER CELL PHONES.

THOUSANDS OF CELL PHONES. A WHOLE LOT OF TOWERS.

THAT ALL HAS TO BE REROUTED. IT'S ALL SOFTWARE DRIVEN, I ASSUME.

AND THROWING A SWITCH DOESN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

HAS ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT'S GOING TO BE? THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THE KNOWLEDGE, POTENTIALLY LOSING THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR 35 PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, THAT HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY, AND WE NEED TO KEEP THEM HERE.

THANK YOU. KRISTEN JOHNSTON.

KRISTEN JOHNSTON. SHE'S COMING.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO KEEP IT BRIEF.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW, LIKE WE'VE ALREADY HEARD HOW MANY UNANSWERED CALLS ARE GOING THROUGH AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND HOW MANY OF THE CALLS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH ARE BEING DROPPED OR REDIRECTED.

AS A RESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR DISPATCH STAY LOCAL.

THEY KNOW OUR ROADS. THEY KNOW OUR LANDMARKS. THEY KNOW OUR OUR OFFICERS.

AND EVERY SECOND COUNTS IN AN EMERGENCY. A LOCALS THAT HAVE THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE CAN SPEED UP OUR ALREADY ALREADY LENGTHY RESPONSE TIMES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES THE CARDS.

OKAY, SO. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. I'M NOT SURE YOU HAD QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK NOW, OR.

YES, MAYOR. I THINK IT'LL BE. I'M SORRY. I THINK SOMEONE WROTE DOWN THE WRONG INFORMATION, BUT MR. STICE WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. OKAY.

OKAY. CARRY ON. HE'S GOOD. MR.. MR. SACHSE, DID YOU ALSO WANT TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENTS LATER? YES. CAN YOU SUBMIT ANOTHER CARD? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE ON IT. I COME FROM A DIFFERENT COUNTRY, A JERSEY CITY, AND I HAVE BEEN RIGHTSIZED, DOWNSIZED, RE-ENGINEERED.

I HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER FACILITY THAT WAS 52 MILES AWAY.

I DIDN'T GET A BUMP ON GAS MILEAGE. I DIDN'T GET AN INCREASE IN PAY.

AND THE REASON WHY I TOOK THAT JOB IS BECAUSE I HAD A HOUSE PAYMENT.

I HAD A CAR PAYMENT, AND I HAD A CHILD IN HIGH SCHOOL.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.

I UNDERSTAND THE HUMAN PERSPECTIVE. I'VE LIVED IT.

I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF IT IN MANAGEMENT AS WELL.

SO YOU HAVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT SAVINGS AT 1.6, 2.8 AND 2.9.

WE NEED TO BUY 25 POLICE CARS. OKAY. NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

THAT'S AMENDMENT THREE. THAT'S COMING DOWN. IT'S GOING TO HIT THE FAN.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW TO PROVIDE SAFETY? YOU KNOW PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING FIRED. THEY HAVE A RELOCATION WHERE THEY'RE GETTING BETTER PAY.

THEY'RE $2,500 BONUS AND MUCH BETTER. RETIREMENT.

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YOU TAKE THE FOLKS. I MEAN MR. IVEY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.

BUT YOU CROSS-TRAIN PEOPLE, THAT'S HOW YOU GET YOUR EXPERTISE.

OKAY. WHEN I WAS RUNNING THE SITE FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT, WE HAD FIVE STATES.

WE WERE, WE WERE I'M SORRY, FOUR STATES, COLORADO, UTAH, NEW MEXICO AND ARIZONA.

THEY PUT THAT ALL IN ONE CALL CENTER. DID IT WORK RIGHT AWAY? ABSOLUTELY NOT. AS PEOPLE CAME IN AND WE CROSS TRAINED AND THEY WERE SHOTGUN AND SITTING NEXT TO PEOPLE LEARNING HOW TO DO COMPUTERS AND HOW TO UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM. YOU GAIN YOUR EXPERTISE AND PEOPLE GOT REWARDED FOR THEIR PERFORMANCE.

HOW DO YOU WALK AWAY FROM THE KIND OF MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE ON THE TABLE? BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS, TO ME, YOUR FIRST COMMITMENT TO ME AND MY FAMILY IS SAFETY.

I'D RATHER GET MORE COPS ON THE STREETS AND CARS AS WE GO.

FROM 160 1000 RESIDENTS ON OUR WAY TO 200,000.

THIS IS INSANE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN 2 OR 3 YEARS.

I'M SURE THESE PEOPLE WORK THEIR ASSES OFF AND THEY THEY HAVE HIGH MORALE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

TAKE THAT MORALE AND BRING IT TO THE STATE. I MEAN, TO THE TO THE COUNTY.

I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER WORK FOR THE COUNTY THAN HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CITY ONCE AMENDMENT THREE HITS AND WE START LOSING VAST DEPARTMENTS.

SO LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE NOW AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTS.

YOU MAY HAVE 200 PEOPLE WHO EMAILED YOU. WHAT ABOUT THE 88,000 REGISTERED VOTERS AND SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? WHAT ARE YOU. ARE YOU LOOKING OUT FOR ME LONG TERM? SO LOOK AT US LONG TERM AND WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.

THAT'S THE DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE. WHETHER PEOPLE TAKE A JOB OR NOT TO MOVE TO THE COUNTY, THAT'S A DECISION THEY HAVE TO MAKE. AND IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.

I'VE LIVED IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ASK BEFORE? YES. YES. MAYOR, I ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF IVEY AS WELL AS CHIEF STOVER.

WHOEVER CAN COME UP FIRST. IT DOESN'T MATTER, SHERIFF.

SHERIFF, WOULD YOU MIND INTRODUCING YOUR UNDERSHERIFF, SIR? ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE UNDERSHERIFF DOUG WALLER WITH ME.

YEAH. MR.. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GREAT TO SEE YOU.

I ALSO HAVE OUR UCC COMMANDER, TERESA GARCIA, WITH US.

HOW ARE YOU, MAC? IS CHIEF SINGLETON AS WELL AS DIRECTOR FLAMMIA? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, SHERIFF.

I APPRECIATE IT. SO I HAD THE I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF TOURING OUR DISPATCH, OUR COMM CENTER THIS MORNING.

IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. LIKE WATCHING THEM IN ACTION.

MY, OUR, OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS MAKING SURE WE MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR OUR CITIZENS, FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND WITH THE CONSOLIDATION OF PREVIOUS I THINK IT WAS INDIAN HARBOR BEACH COCOA AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROLLOVERS.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? A LITTLE BIT OF GLITCHES, HUMAN ERROR, TECHNICAL ISSUES.

YES, SIR. THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IN EVERYTHING WE DO IS TO STRIVE TO BE THE BEST.

I ADMIRE THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW SEATED BEHIND US.

BUT WE'RE STANDING EARLIER. THEIR UNITY, THEIR PASSION FOR WHAT THEY DO.

THEY ARE A VITAL PART OF OF PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO I ADMIRE THEM ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT GOT UP HERE TODAY.

WE, WE STRIVE FOR THAT SAME GOAL. WE STRIVE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING EVERYBODY WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF SHERIFF UNDERSHERIFF WALLER HAS BEEN OUR TIP OF THE SPEAR ON THIS.

OUR ENGINEER WORKING WITH YOUR CITY MANAGER ON DEVELOPING THE STRATEGY, THE TRANSITION, EVERYTHING ELSE FROM IT.

AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE BROUGHT UP ROLLOVERS.

I KNOW HE'S PREPARED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT. THERE WERE, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ABOUT US TAKING CARE OF THE EMPLOYEES.

ALL OF THAT FROM THE MOMENT WE STOOD UP HERE WHEN YOU GUYS ASKED US TO CONSIDER TAKING ON THIS ROLE, FROM THE MOMENT WE STOOD UP HERE, WE SAID OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL WAS TO KEEP THEM TOGETHER.

TO BASICALLY GEOGRAPHY WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE WE WANT TO KEEP YOUR, YOUR TEAM THAT YOU'VE ASSEMBLED HERE, DISPATCHING IN THAT SAME CAPACITY JUST OUT OF THE UNIFIED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

SO THAT'S BEEN OUR ULTIMATE GOAL. AND, CHIEF, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THE ROLLOVERS, IF YOU WILL, SIR. GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING SIR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER.

STAFF. GREATLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED THE LAST MEETING.

I DID ENJOY WATCHING IT FROM THE MOUNTAINS IN VIRGINIA.

SO I CAN SAY TONIGHT IS A PRIVILEGE TO FINALLY BE HERE AND BE BEFORE YOU.

MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUR AGE AWAY, BUT WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER FOR MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS ON MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.

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BUT I WILL SAY I HAVE BEEN I HATE SAYING THE TIP OF THE SPEAR.

THE POINT OF CONTACT ON THESE TRANSITIONS. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO MEET WITH COCO, COCO BEACH SATELLITE, INDIAN HARBOR BEACH, INDIALANTIC, MELBOURNE BEACH.

WE ALREADY DID WEST MELBOURNE. I CAN CONTINUE TO GO ON AND ON AND ON.

I KNOW YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED LETTERS FROM THEIR CITY MANAGERS AND THEIR CHIEFS OF POLICE SUPPORTING THE TRANSITIONS THAT HAVE PROGRESSED.

I BELIEVE THE TRANSITIONS HAVE BEEN OUTSTANDING FROM MY OPINION AND I BELIEVE FROM THEIRS AS WELL.

YOU ASKED I BELIEVE, SIR, YOU HAD ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE MAYOR.

HOW DID THESE TRANSACTIONS OR TRANSITIONS OCCUR? AND IT'S A LOT OF HARD WORK. IT'S A HEAVY LIFT BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND AS THE SHERIFF SAID. THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THAT SAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID, BUT THAT'S NOT THE DISPUTE HERE OR THE ISSUE HERE TONIGHT IS TO RECOGNIZE THEIR PASSION, AND WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER ON EACH AND EVERY PLACE, AND WORK WITH THE CITY LEADERSHIP TO TRY TO BRING THEM ON AND MAKE THEM PART OF THE FAMILY.

YOUR FAMILY AND OUR FAMILY MAKES ONE BIGGER FAMILY.

IT'S MORE POWER. IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER. IT MAKES THINGS HAPPEN.

A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THEY DON'T KNOW OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN YOU CALL 911, DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT LANDS? DO YOU DO YOU HONESTLY KNOW WHERE IT LANDS? IT LANDS FOR A PLACE AND SOMEBODY PICKS IT UP.

AND IF YOU MAY BE A SATELLITE TRANSPLANT, THAT'S DOWN AT PALM BAY TODAY OR MAYBE AT COCOA BEACH TOMORROW.

DO THEY KNOW THE AREA THAT THEY'RE COVERING? NO, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS.

THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER. AND IN OUR DISPATCH CENTER AND IN THE CONSULT AND CONSOLIDATION THAT WE PUT TOGETHER IS THE COMMUNITIES ARE SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

SO INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO PICK UP THE PHONE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

COCOA'S IN COCOA, YOU GUYS ARE ON PREM SITE, WHICH YOU'RE ON A SERVER BASE.

COCOA GOT A RANSOMWARE. THEY GOT DROPPED DOWN TO THEIR KNEES AND COULDN'T TRANSFER.

THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. THEY COULDN'T EVEN PROVIDE ME THE BUDGET WORK TO WORK WITH. WE HAD THEM UP.

WE HAD THEM IN OUR HOME AND WE HAD THEM ACTUALLY DISPATCHING WITHIN HOURS.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE ON A CLOUD BASED SYSTEM.

WE ARE ON A SYSTEM THAT COMMUNICATES BETWEEN EVERYBODY ELSE THAT IS ON THE NETWORK.

I'M NOT DISPARAGING. I'M NOT MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT THE SYSTEM YOU'RE ON, BUT IT DOES NOT COMMUNICATE WITH US.

YOU'RE ON A SERVER BASED SYSTEM WHERE YOU'RE IN A WEB BASED SYSTEM.

THE REST OF THE AGENCIES THAT ARE WORKING TOGETHER THAT ARE ON A TYLER SYSTEM, IT IMPROVES YOUR PERFORMANCE ON REPORT MANAGEMENT, IT IMPROVES YOUR RECORD MANAGEMENT, AND IT IMPROVES YOUR CAD SYSTEM SO THEY CAN COMMUNICATE TO EACH OTHER.

THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROLLOVERS.

THERE'S THERE'S A REASON WHY ROLLOVERS WEREN'T PROBABLY INCLUDED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A BENCHMARK PERFORMANCE MEASURE.

EACH AGENCY, EACH COMMUNITY REFERS TO A ROLLOVER IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

THEY ARE BASED ON ROUTING PROTOCOL. STAFFING MODELS CALL VOLUME OVERFLOW THRESHOLDS.

THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED.

BUT THERE IS ONE THING YOU CAN LOOK AT EACH AND EVERY STUDY THAT YOU ASKED FOR, EACH AND EVERY RESEARCH THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU SAID ONE THING, THERE IS AN ISSUE AND THE ISSUE IS TRANSFERS.

AND THE ONE GREAT THING ABOUT CONSOLIDATION AND US BEING TOGETHER IS THERE ARE NO TRANSFERS.

THERE IS NO WASTED SECONDS WHICH TURN INTO WASTED MINUTES.

AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS DOING A BAD JOB.

IT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, AND THE THE MD AND THE EFD CERTIFICATIONS REQUIRED.

WHEN YOU ASK FOR POLICE, WHEN YOU ASK FOR FIRE, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT.

DIFFERENT PROTOCOLS FOR EACH ONE. WHEN YOU ASK FOR LAW, YOU'RE GETTING A LAW DISPATCHER WHO'S PROVIDING A CERTIFIED IN A CERTAIN WAY.

WHEN YOU ARE ASKING FOR FIRE, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT MEASUREMENT AND PROTOCOL TO GO THROUGH.

FOR THAT DISPATCH. THEY ARE SEEKING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

THAT'S WHERE THE DELAY HAPPENS. THAT'S WHERE THE TRANSFER HAPPENS.

BECAUSE IN MOST OF THE PLACES, NONE OF THE DISPATCHERS ARE CERTIFIED AND THE MD AND PHD.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE PACKAGE THAT I PRESENTED, AND IT'S A PACKAGE THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE ON BRINGING YOUR PEOPLE TO US WAS WE WE INCENTIVIZE, WE INCENTIVIZE THAT DUAL DISCIPLINE.

WE WANT THAT DUAL DISCIPLINE. THERE IS NO NEED TO SAY POLICE FIRE.

WELL, THERE WILL BE POLICE FIRE, BUT YOU ARE ALREADY CERTIFIED IN BOTH AND CAN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE IMMEDIATELY.

WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN COCO, COCO IS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.

WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN WEST MELBOURNE, THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. THERE IS NO PHONE CALL THAT SAYS, HEY, AND THIS IS THE FUNNY STORY I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU. NOT NOT FUNNY, BUT WE HAVE COCO.

THEY COME TO US. THEY ARE THEIR COCO. DISPATCHERS ARE SITTING THERE BCFRRBCSO DISPATCHERS SITTING RIGHT HERE.

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CAN YOU HAVE A BCSO DEPUTY RESPOND TO OUR LOCATION? CLASSIC. SHE DIDN'T JUST TURN AROUND AND SAY, CAN YOU HAVE A DEPUTY RESPOND TO THIS LOCATION.

SHE PICKED UP A PHONE AND CALLED THE DISPATCHER SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO HER.

BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROCESS. THAT IS THE WAY THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.

EACH AND EVERY STUDY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS GOING TO SAY ONE THING.

CONSOLIDATED DISPATCH IS THE WAY TO GO. IT SAVES LIVES.

IT SAVES TIME. IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU ANOTHER THING.

IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS IS EVERYONE BEING TOGETHER, BEING TRAINED, WORKING TOGETHER. MORALE IS THE SAME. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE SIT IN OUR PLACE.

WE HAVE DESIGNED A PACKAGE TO BRING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE TO OUR PLACE.

WE WOULD HOPE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WOULD BE.

AND IF IT WERE TO WORK OUT THAT WAY, IT WOULD WORK OUT IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND IT WOULD BE FOR THE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND EVERY OTHER CITY IN THIS COUNTY, BECAUSE WE'D ALL BE IN ONE LOCATION, ALL WORKING TOGETHER AT ONE TIME WITH NO WASTED.

AND I USUALLY START OFF THIS WITH A DOLLARS AND CENTS, AND I DON'T MEAN CENTS AS IN CENT, CENTS AS IN CASH. IT'S MORE OF A COMMON SENSE APPROACH HOW I LOOK AT THINGS.

TONIGHT I WOULD LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT'S A NUMBERS AND IT'S AN EMOTION.

AND TONIGHT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING THAT I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH. EVERY SINGLE ONE AND EVERY SINGLE STUDY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE TO HER, THE BIGGEST HURDLE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE TO OVERCOME IS THE ACTUAL PASSION AND EMOTION OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO FEEL THE CHANGE IS VERY STRESSFUL. AND IT IS.

AND THAT'S WHY THE PACKAGE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND WE PROVIDED, I TRIED TO OVERCOME EVERYTHING.

I'VE TRIED TO PROVIDE THEM AS MUCH INFORMATION.

THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE PAY PLAN GOING TO BRING THEM IN AT THEIR SENIORITY OF WHAT THEY'RE MAKING, GOING TO PAY THEM A SIGNING BONUS TO COME ACROSS, GOING TO INCENTIVIZE FOR TRAINING.

TAKE YOUR LIABILITIES IF YOU HAVE HOURS OF LEAVE, SICK LEAVE, ANNUAL LEAVE ON THE BOOKS THERE, YOUR FINANCIAL LIABILITIES. WE WILL TAKE THOSE OFF YOUR SHOULDERS.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME ACROSS AND THEY HAVE 100 HOURS OF SICK AND 100 HOURS OF ANNUAL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PAID OUT.

WE'LL TAKE THAT LIABILITY OFF YOUR SHOULDER. I'M SORRY.

I GET A LITTLE DRY MOUTH WHEN I START TALKING TOO FAST. SO NO, I GOT YOU, I GOT YOU, I'M GOING TO SHUT UP.

I'M GOING TO SHUT UP ON THAT ONE. BUT BUT THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. NO. ARE YOU GOOD? NO I'M NOT OKAY. WELL, I STILL, I HAVE, I HAVE MORE.

SORRY. AND IT'LL BE FOR YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR HANDING IT OVER TO HIM, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT HE SAID. OH WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTS, HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU WANT TO BRING EVERYBODY OVER.

HYPOTHETICALLY, ALL 27 WE HAVE YOU WANT TO BRING OVER.

BUT THEN MY CONCERN IS THE. 27 BEING SPREAD APART IN REGARDS TO HAVING TO DO SERVICES FOR COCO INDIAN HARBOR WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A MASS LOAD OF CALL VOLUME HERE IN PALM BAY AND I THINK.

MAYOR. OH GOODNESS. SHERIFF, YOU MENTIONED HAVING LIKE AN ONLINE FOR PALM BAY OR HAVING A GOOD RADIO CHANNEL.

OKAY, YOU RUN AND I'M GOING RIGHT OFF. I'M GOING TO SAY YOU PROBABLY RUN TWO RADIO CHANNELS AND A TELETYPE SAME WAY.

SO IT DEPENDS ON THE SHIFTS THAT YOU'RE ON. YOU KNOW, WE RUN 12 HOUR SHIFTS.

SO YOU'RE TALKING FOUR SHIFTS OF AT LEAST THREE.

AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING. YOU DON'T HAVE JUST THREE PEOPLE IN THERE.

YOU HAVE TWO RADIOS, YOU HAVE ONE TELETYPE, YOU HAVE SOME CALL TAKERS AND YOU HAVE SOME DISPATCHERS.

SO THE NUMBERS ADD UP. IT CAN STILL SPLIT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HARMS ANYBODY BY ACTUALLY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND LEARN OTHER AREAS THEY DO RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WAS I CAME FROM SATELLITE AND I CAME TO PALM BAY LEARNING A WHOLE NEW AREA AND ENJOYING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND LOVING THE PASSION OF WORKING WITH NEW PEOPLE. I CAN'T PROMISE THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT COMES FROM PALM BAY WILL ONLY TAKE PALM BAY CALLS AND WILL ONLY DISPATCH PALM BAY CALLS.

CAN'T CAN'T, CAN'T GIVE THAT GUARANTEE. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MISSION. THAT WOULD BE THE DESIRE.

OKAY. QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

SORRY. THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION, SO I'M TRACKING THAT.

BUT AT LEAST IF WE HAVE THEM, HAVE THEM UP AND READY.

CAN YOU JUST ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD FOR NOW.

MAYOR. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE.

I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT GOOD. SORRY. IT WAS MENTIONED IN REGARDS TO AND THIS IS A QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AS WELL,

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ABSOLUTELY. AND JASON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. RADIATION DOES A TERRIBLE THING TO SALIVARY GLANDS.

SO JUST BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT HERE JUST FOR A SECOND.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS WITH EVERY TRANSITION, OF COURSE, THE WE HAVE SET A LIVE GO DATE.

WE WENT LIVE GO WITH SATELLITE AND INDIAN HARBOR.

THE ON ONE DAY INDIA ATLANTIC A DIFFERENT COCO WAS THE MOST RECENT.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE EACH CITY AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE LIKE ISSUES, BUT THERE WILL BE NUANCES.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. INDIAN HARBOR BEACH, INDIAN HARBOR BEACH GOES, WE WOULD LIKE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO RESPOND ON EVERY SINGLE FIRE CALL. NO PROBLEM. THERE'S FIRE CARDS, THERE'S A THERE'S CARD.

SO ON THE FIRE, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT.

YOU HAVE A CARD THAT'S BASICALLY TELLING YOU, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LADDER TRUCK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EMERGENCY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS. IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU ON DISPATCH AND AUTO AUTO FILL AS YOU'RE TYPING IT IN.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD TO WORK OUT FOR INDIAN HARBOR SINCE WE WANT TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THERE, IT AUTOMATICALLY AUTO FILLS ON OUR CAD WORK UP ON OUR REPORT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

WE'RE ABLE TO AUTO FILL AND IT AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFERS.

I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT THE GLITCH, BUT THE GLITCH WAS THE CHIEF CALLS ME UP AND HE SAYS, HEY, MY GUYS AREN'T GOING TO IT. NO PROBLEM.

SO AS YOU BUILD THIS UP AND WE'RE BUILDING IT TOGETHER AND THIS TRANSITION, REALLY IT IS A HARD LIFT AND A HEAVY LIFT BETWEEN US.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S DONE OVERNIGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PLANNED OUT.

THE CARDS ARE ALREADY FILLED IN. WE ALREADY DO YOUR FIRE AND HAVE DONE IT FOR YEARS, SO THAT CARD'S ALREADY FILLED OUT.

ALL WE'D HAVE TO DO IS JUST TRANSFER AND ADD ONE MORE AUTO FILL IN.

YOUR CAD SYSTEM. CAN'T. OURS WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT HERE.

AGAIN, NOT CRITICIZING. I BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE ON CENTRAL CENTRAL SQUARE.

WE'RE ON TYLER. THE REST OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY IS ON TYLER.

EVERYBODY ACROSS THE COUNTY IS SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER EXCEPT FOR PALM BAY.

AND YOUR OFFICERS WILL SAVE TIME. THEY CAN MAKE AN ARREST.

THEY CAN FILL OUT THEIR. 923 AND AS THEY MAKE THE ARREST, THAT AUTO POPULATES AND FILLS UP THE REPORT ALSO DOES THE REPORT FOR THEM AT THE SAME TIME. SO YES, THERE WILL BE THINGS THAT PALM BAY IF IF THAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE TO GO AND YOU WERE GOING TO GO WITH US, THEN IT WOULD BE A TYLER UPGRADE, AND IT WOULD BE ANOTHER POSITIVE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ITS POLICE OFFICERS AND ITS FIRE OFFICERS.

IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT TOO, IF YOU GUYS GET CLOSE, I'M SORRY.

IF YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION TO GO THIS DIRECTION, WE WILL MEET WITH WITH YOUR TEAM THE CHIEF, HIS DESIGNEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT SYSTEM TO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING, WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO AS AS THE UNDERSHERIFF MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED INDIAN HARBOR, WANTED A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO GO WITH EACH FIRE CALL IF PALM BAY WANTS THAT, OR THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR THEY'RE ALREADY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE BUILD THAT SYSTEM IN OUR CAD SYSTEM TO COMPLEMENT THAT.

SORRY, I KEEP THINKING I'M DONE, BUT I'M NOT MARRIED.

I APOLOGIZE. SO YOU'RE SAYING BASED OFF THE MUNICIPALITY, WHATEVER THEIR LIKE DISPATCH PROTOCOLS ARE, YOU ADHERE OR NEGOTIATE TO TO GET THE JOB DONE? YES, SIR. OKAY. IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A NEGOTIATION, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING IN.

THIS THIS IS THE PROCESS. THIS IS THE TEAM. WE ARE A FAMILY.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WILL SEND A WORK TEAM DOWN AND MEET WITH YOUR PEOPLE AND GO OVER WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY DESIRE, THE DIFFERENT NUANCES THEY MAY NEED THAT THAT MAY BE JUST SPECIFIC ONLY TO INDIAN HARBOR BEACH OR SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

OKAY, ONE MORE MAYOR. I'M SORRY. CITY MANAGER MENTIONED CLOSEST UNIT RESPONSE MODEL.

HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED THAT OR DONE ANY ALONG WITH THE SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM THAT'S COME IN WITH TYLER, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS WOULD GO. AGAIN, IT HAS INCREASED MAPPING SYSTEM.

IT IDENTIFIES WHO THE CLOSEST PERSON IS, FIRE CARDS ALREADY DO, AND THEY HAVE THAT BASE PUT IN.

BUT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR CURRENT MAPPING SYSTEMS, BUT WITH THE ENTERPRISE UPGRADE, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO PICK OUT AND IDENTIFY THE CLOSEST UNITS AVAILABLE, WHETHER THEY'RE OPEN OR NOT.

I'M DONE. COUNCILMAN HAMMER, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

SAY THIS DOES GO THROUGH AND ALL 27 DON'T WANT TO GO.

WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WE WE MOVE FORWARD. WE'VE HAD THAT WITH EVERY SINGLE THIS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.

IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE MET WITH THE GROUP OF VERY PASSIONATE AND WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

I'VE HAD TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS BEGINNING WITH BCFR3 YEARS AGO.

THERE MAY BE A FEW THAT SAY THEY THEY'RE FROM IN.

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THEY'VE. THEY'VE MIGRATED OVER HERE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON? THEY MAY HAVE MIGRATED FROM SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM ALL, BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO COME HERE, I WISH THEM THE ABSOLUTE BEST. AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WELL I'M NOT THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.

IT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE 160,000 CALLS COMING IN AND YOU'RE ALREADY SHORT STAFFED AND YOU HAVE NOBODY TO FILL THEM.

NO, YOU HAVE FROZEN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO SAY HOW MANY VACANCIES THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW VERSUS I KNOW YOU HAVE AT LEAST NINE FROZEN.

YOU HAVE 37 POSITIONS. I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY YOU HAVE 22 PEOPLE.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE, BUT WE HAVE LESS.

WE HAVE LESS VACANCIES THAN YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND WE HAVE PROBABLY TWICE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

CORRECT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING SAY NONE GO. LIKE WHAT IS YOUR STRATEGY THEN TO FIELD 160,000 CALLS WITHOUT THE PEOPLE. WELL, WE WE WE HAVE THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WORK.

WE WILL HAVE THE PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS WORK. OKAY.

THANK YOU. PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE SHERIFF? I PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER HOUR'S WORTH. I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR FOR SPEAKING FAST IF I WAS DOING THAT.

AND PLEASURE SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN. WELL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR DECADES. IT'S OKAY TO SAY THAT.

I'M NOT ASHAMED OF MY AGE AT THIS POINT. AND WE HAVE WORKED WELL TOGETHER, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND YOU TOO, SHERIFF. YOU'RE THE MAN. YOU'RE THE TOP DOG HERE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK. YOU'VE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING SHERIFF.

YOU ARE AN OUTSTANDING RESIDENT. AGENT WITH FDLE.

I REMEMBER AND WAS FOND OF YOUR TIME AND SERVICE THERE AS WELL.

WE'VE WE'VE ENJOYED SOME INCREDIBLE PARTNERSHIPS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THE ONLY THE ONLY OTHER THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS LADY BACK HERE THAT SAID SHE'S A SENIOR CITIZEN.

SHE'S GOT WAY TOO MUCH ENERGY TO BE A SENIOR CITIZEN.

COPY THAT. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU YOU HAD QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER, SIR? ONE. ONE FOR THE CITY MANAGER. I FORGOT MY. OKAY.

I REMEMBER MY QUESTION NOW. ONE FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN A FEW FOR STOVER.

FOR CITY MANAGER. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT ON A CLOUD BASED SYSTEM IS WHAT WAS REFERRED TO CORRECT OR.

YES. HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST US TO SWITCH TO A CLOUD BASED SYSTEM OR WOULD THAT BE DOCTOR ROBINSON.

NO THAT'S THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE.

WE WE'RE TRYING TO BENCHMARK IT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.

AND THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 1.5 TO 1.7 MILLION.

OKAY. ALRIGHT, CAN WE TAP INTO THAT $0.40 THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT? THOSE, THOSE I HAVE NO IDEA. YEAH. WELL IT'S THE COUNTY, RIGHT? OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR THE CITY MANAGER FOR CHIEFS.

THERE HE GOES, CHIEF STOVER. THANK YOU, CHIEF STOVER, FOR ENTERTAINING ME.

WE SPOKE BRIEFLY LAST TIME IN REGARDS TO THE SERVICES, BUT I WANTED TO GET A LITTLE MORE INTO DETAIL WITH YOU.

IN REGARDS TO CURRENTLY CALL VOLUME IS HANDLED BY BCSO.

HAVE YOU HAD ISSUES OR CAN YOU RECALL A LOT OF ISSUES IN REGARDS TO IT WAS REFERENCED KNOWING THE CITY, LIKE KNOWING WHAT ROAD TO SEND FIRE TO OR EMTS TO.

CAN YOU SPEAK ON THAT? CAN YOU ALSO SPEAK ON THE TRANSFERS AND ANY MISCOMMUNICATION OR ISSUES ON THAT END.

AND THE, WHAT I REFERENCED WITH SHERIFF IVEY GLITCHES, WHETHER THEY'RE HUMAN ERROR OR TECHNICAL, HOW WERE THEY RESOLVED AND HAS IT BEEN GOOD SINCE WHATEVER I LEAVE OUT.

DON'T, DON'T. I GOT YOU. YES, SIR. SO AS FAR AS THE KNOWING THE AREA.

EXCUSE ME. WE'VE NOT ENCOUNTERED ANY PROBLEM THERE.

THEY GET AN ADDRESS. THE CAD SYSTEM TELLS THEM WHERE THAT PLACE IS.

IS IT IN PALM BAY? IS IT IN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY? IS IT WHEREVER ELSE THE COUNTY COVERS? AND THEN IT DISPATCHES THE APPROPRIATE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN THERE BY EACH OF THE DIFFERENT FIRE CHIEFS, BASED ON WHAT KIND OF CALLS WE HAVE, WHAT THE CALL TYPES ARE, WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE WE WANT.

SO IT'S LET ME GO BACK JUST A MINUTE HERE. A LONG TIME AGO, I PROBABLY GOT YOU BEAT THERE ON THE AGE BACK IN THE 70S WHEN I STARTED, I WAS A DISPATCHER. I WAS A CALL TAKER. THEN I WAS ASKED BY THE FIRE CHIEF IN BROWARD WHEN I WAS A FIREFIGHTER TO BE PART OF THE REGIONALIZATION OF THE FIRST COMM CENTER THAT WAS PUT IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, TRAIN HIRE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF FOR THE DISPATCH CENTER DOWN THERE IN BROWARD.

SO THAT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIVE YEARS.

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AND THEY HAVE LITERALLY THE HARDEST JOB IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY REALM.

I WILL NOT ARGUE THAT AT ALL, BUT WITH THAT, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KNOWING AND ADDRESS OUR OUR DISPATCHERS, OUR CALL TAKERS WERE JUST LIKE OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

THEY CAME FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. SOME CAME FROM OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY, BUT THE CAD SYSTEM BEING WHAT IT IS, AND WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TILER SYSTEM HERE. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TELLS YOU, YOU COULD SIT UP THERE AND YOU COULD TAKE A CALL AND YOU PUSH AS THE CALLS COME THROUGH, YOU JUST TURN AROUND AND YOU LET THE CAD SYSTEM BASICALLY TELL YOU WHAT UNITS RESPOND AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO AND WHAT BY TYPE, HOW MANY UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REAL ISSUE.

BEING FROM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MOVE THEM TO ANY LOCATION AND THE CAD IS GOING TO DO THE BULK OF THE WORK.

IS IT NICE TO HAVE THAT HOME GROWN, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL.

YEAH, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT. YEAH, I DO GET THAT.

BUT OVERALL IN THE REALM OF GETTING SOMEONE TO THE SCENE QUICKLY, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT EVEN PLAYS INTO THIS.

THE GLITCHES, EVERY PLACE HAS A GLITCH AND I BELIEVE I COVERED THIS LAST TIME ALSO.

AS WE MAY TRANSFER AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AT CITIES IS WHEN I WAS ASSIGNED TO THE COMM CENTER FOR MY FIVE YEARS THERE, WE BROUGHT OVER THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE. WE BROUGHT THEM INTO THE COMM CENTER.

DID WE HAVE GLITCHES? YES, WE HAD GLITCHES. THEY WERE QUICKLY FIXED.

AND THEN WE MOVED ON AND THERE WAS NO NO MORE ISSUES OTHER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN ANY GIVEN CENTER.

THE BIGGEST PART OF THE CONSOLIDATION AND LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE TYLER SYSTEM AND MOVING OVER TO A NEW PROGRAM WHERE WE JUST WHERE THE WE TRACK OUR RECORDS, WE DO DIFFERENT THINGS IS NOW WE'RE ALL ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY THAT'S USING.

THAT'S CALLED FIRST TWO. NOW I'M USING THIS PROGRAM AND WHICH BREVARD COUNTY IS USING.

WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS IF ALL OF OUR UNITS ARE BUSIED OUT, OVER HALF ARE.

I'M SORRY, TWICE TO. TWO THIRDS OF THE TIME WE RECEIVE MUTUAL AID INTO THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO GIVING IT OUT.

SO AS THESE UNITS ARE COMING INTO THE CITY, ONCE THIS SYSTEM IS FULLY UP AND OPERATIONAL, WHICH SHOULD BE AROUND JANUARY FOR US, IT'S ALREADY UP AND MOVING IN THE COUNTY. THERE'LL BE PRE FIRE PLANS, HYDRANTS AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THIS SYSTEM, THIS COUNTY WIDE SYSTEM, WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE AND COME INTO THE CITY AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GO.

EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT FROM THIS CITY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THE HAZARDS THAT THEY'RE ABOUT READY TO ENCOUNTER, BASED ON WHAT INFORMATION WE PUT IN ON WHAT WE CALL THE PRE FIRE PLANS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE GLITCHES AS WE MAKE THAT MOVE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ONLINE OFFICIALLY OCTOBER 1ST.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE US A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO FULLY GET UP AND OPERATIONAL. THERE'LL BE GLITCHES, BUT THAT THAT JUST HAPPENS ANYWHERE. THE OVERALL ON MY SIDE AS THE FIRE CHIEF OF THIS CITY, I HAVE FOUND IT TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO BE UNDER THE COUNTY UNIFIED SYSTEM BECAUSE WE DO FIRST.

WE DO AUTOMATIC AID. WE DO MUTUAL AID. THE AUTOMATIC AID IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING AS CLOSEST UNIT RESPONSE.

IF WE HAVE A UNIT THAT'S BUSY AND THE NEXT UNIT THERE IS MELBOURNE OR IT'S A COUNTY UNIT, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET DISPATCHED.

I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. THEY'LL BRING IN MORE OF OUR UNITS THAT MIGHT WE MIGHT BE THE SECOND OR THIRD TO AT THAT POINT.

BUT ALL THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING IN REALLY. THE CARDS, DRIVING ALL OF IT.

BASED ON THE DATA THAT OUR DEPARTMENT, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE GIVEN THE COUNTY PUT INTO THE SYSTEM AND MADE SURE IT WORKS.

SO WHICH JUST HAPPENED. FIRST RESPONSE BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ALL THESE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ON THE SAME SYSTEM IS PHENOMENAL.

IT MAKES LIFE A LOT EASIER FOR US. THERE'S A THING CALLED A NIOSH REPORT.

AND THESE REPORTS WERE MANDATED BY CONGRESS TO COME OUT EVERY TIME A FIREFIGHTER DIES IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

THEY'VE BEEN OUT SINCE. I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE THE EARLY 90S.

IT MIGHT BE THE LATE 80S, BUT I THINK IT WAS EARLY 90S.

THEY THEY COME OUT, THEY INVESTIGATE EVERY FIREFIGHTER FATALITY THAT TAKES PLACE.

AND IT TAKES THEM SEVERAL MONTHS, SOMETIMES A COUPLE YEARS TO GET THIS REPORT OUT.

ALMOST EVERY SINGLE REPORT THAT COMES OUT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNICATION FAILURE BEING THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WHEN FIREFIGHTER DIES IN LINE OF DUTY.

THEY CAN'T HEAR SOMETHING. THEY COULDN'T GET SOMETHING. THE. THE WORDS WEREN'T TRANSFERRED, RIGHT? OR WHATEVER. THERE WAS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THEY WERE WORKING OFF OF, JUST LIKE IN BROWARD.

WHAT CAUSED US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A UNIFIED SYSTEM? WE HAD A THING DOWN IN PORT EVERGLADES CALLED THE GLS FIRE.

WE HAD FIRE DEPARTMENTS FROM ALL OVER BROWARD COUNTY COME IN.

WE HAD SEVERAL ENGINE ONES. WE HAD SEVERAL ENGINE TWOS.

WE HAD DIFFERENT RADIO SYSTEMS. WE HAD TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER AT A COMMAND POST AND SAY,

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IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE MESS. FIRE CHIEFS ALL GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, AND THEY MOVED INTO THE UNIFIED SYSTEM.

THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID. THERE'S GOING TO BE ERRORS, TOO.

WE MAKE ERRORS EVERY DAY. WE'RE HUMAN. ARE THERE GOING TO BE TECHNICAL ISSUES? YES THERE ARE. BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE BENEFIT FAR OUTWEIGHS ANY NEGATIVE.

FOR FOR THE DELIVERY OF FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES IN THIS CITY.

ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS REAL QUICK, AND I THINK IT KIND OF TOUCHES.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WAS THE NOT GETTING INFORMATION YOU KNOW.

PD WILL HAVE SOMETHING OR FIRE WILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.

NOW, I HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED THAT HERE. I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE, BUT EVERY TIME I HAD TO INVESTIGATE THOSE DOWN SOUTH, WHAT ENDED UP BEING WAS THE RECEIVING PIECE APP WOULD GET ON THEIR SCREEN.

THIS IS THE ADDRESS, THIS IS THE CALLBACK NUMBER. THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THEY WOULD TRANSFER POLICE, FIRE, MEDICAL EMERGENCY. WHAT IS IT? THEY'D TRANSFER IT TO THE APPROPRIATE JUST LIKE WE DO RIGHT NOW.

SO IT GETS OVER THERE. ALL THAT INFORMATION IS TAKEN.

ALL THE UNITS ARE DISPATCHED. THE RECEIVING PIECE APP, THE MAIN PIECE APP WOULD IS IF IT WAS IN THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE, IF IT'S IN THE CITY OF PEMBROKE PINES, WHATEVER IT WAS, THE CALL TAKERS THERE GO, OH, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THEY GET BACK ON THE PHONE, THEY CALL THE PERSON BACK, THEY GET THE INFORMATION, THEY ENTER INTO THEIR SEPARATE CAD SYSTEM, AND IT GOES TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT CAD SYSTEM.

THERE WERE SEVERAL TIMES I HAD UNITS PULL UP TO STABBINGS AND SHOOTINGS.

THERE WAS NO LAW ENFORCEMENT ON SCENE, BUT WE PULLED RIGHT IN BECAUSE THE CITY THAT HAD THAT INFORMATION FAILED TO CONTACT AND UPDATE THE UNIFIED CENTER THAT DID NOT HAVE THAT DID NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

SO THERE ARE GLITCHES AGAIN, BUT SOME OF THAT IS HUMAN MADE AND A LOT OF THAT'S MADE WITHIN THE COMM CENTER.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT, IN MY OPINION, AS A FIRE CHIEF, TO HAVE A UNIFIED SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS EVERYBODY TO SEE ONCE WE GOT EVERYTHING UP AND RUNNING. SOMETHING WAS PUT INTO THE CAD SYSTEM.

EVERYBODY THAT WAS ON THAT CAD SYSTEM, WHETHER IT WAS YOUR CALL, YOUR CITY OR NOT, YOU ACTUALLY SAW THAT INFORMATION.

A LITTLE SQUARE WOULD COME UP, IT WOULD BING AND IT WOULD SAY, THERE'S A NOTE THERE.

YOU'D GO INTO THE NOTES WHILE YOU'RE RESPONDING, IT WOULD SAY, THERE'S AN ARMED THERE'S AN ARMED SUSPECT THERE.

PD IS NOT ON SCENE. AND THEN THAT WOULD TELL US NOT TO ENTER THE SCENE.

THERE ARE SO MANY BENEFITS TO A UNIFIED SYSTEM.

AND RIGHT NOW THE THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT IS BENEFITING FROM A LOT OF THEM.

DO WE HAVE GLITCHES? YES WE DO. BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A GLITCH THAT THEY HAVE NOT ADDRESSED AND ADDRESSED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. I THINK HOW MANY CALLS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MANY CALLS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? YES, SIR.

FIVE CALLS. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE PAPER WITH ME.

20,000. 20,000, 20,000 CALLS. YES. AM I RIGHT THERE, CHIEF? YEAH. ABOUT 20,000. YES. SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALL. I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION.

I HAD QUESTIONS, BUT HE ACTUALLY ANSWERED THEM DURING HIS DURING HIS TIME AT THE PODIUM.

BUT IF NOBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION FOR FOR HIM, THEN AFTERWARDS, I'D LIKE TO CHIEF SPEARS TO COME UP.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOBODY'S BRINGING IN, SO CARRY ON.

CHIEF SPEARS. THANK YOU. CHIEF.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL. YOU KNOW,. FIRST OF ALL, WE ALL TAKE SHOTS AND NO PUN INTENDED, RIGHT? BUT WE ALL TAKE SHOTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE DECISIONS WE MAKE.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU TOOK A SHOT TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT CHIEF SO FAR, AND I KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL DISCUSSION HAS PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON YOU, YOUR STAFF. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO JUST RECOGNIZE THAT PUBLICLY THAT I KNOW IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING.

YOU AND I HAVE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS. YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SHARED YOUR CONCERNS WITH, WITH ME AND YOU KNOW, TWO UNIONS, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUGGLING A LOT OF DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS.

AND I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.

I HAVE A QUESTION AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT. MAYBE SOMEBODY, MAYBE YOUR SUPERVISOR AND DISPATCH COULD ANSWER IT.

HOW COME NOBODY'S PASSIONATE ABOUT BRINGING FIRE BACK TO PD? YOU KNOW, THE OR BACK TO PALM BAY BCSO DISPATCHES FIRE OUR DISPATCH DISPATCHES POLICE.

AND SO THERE HAS BEEN NO ARGUMENT MADE BY THE DISPATCHERS ABOUT BRINGING BACK FIRE BACK TO PALM BAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS AN OPTION C THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD PUT UP THERE.

YOU KNOW, COSTS ASIDE. WHY WAS THAT DECISION MADE? I THINK TWICE TO TAKE FIRE BACK OVER TO BCSO.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF OUR, OUR CURRENT STAFF SEES THAT OR KNEW THAT TO BE AN OPTION.

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EITHER TIME THAT WE HAD FIRE WHEN WE BROUGHT THEM BACK AND WHEN FIRE LEFT AGAIN.

AND I THINK THAT WAS A DECISION EVEN I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF STOVER WAS EVEN PRESENT DURING THAT TIME.

I BELIEVE IT WAS ANOTHER CHIEF. SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE PARTICULARS, PARTICULARS OF THOSE TO GIVE AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER ON THAT.

BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IF THAT WAS AN OPTION TONIGHT OR IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, THAT WE WOULD WELCOME BACK FIRE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN WE HAD FIRE, WE WERE WE RECEIVED EIGHT ADDITIONAL FTES TO HANDLE FIRE DISPATCH.

AND WE STILL KEPT THOSE EIGHT FTES TODAY. SO OUR STAFFING WOULD STILL SUPPORT TAKING BACK FIRE IF THAT DECISION WERE TO COME UP.

OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES. SO RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN.

RIGHT. AND YOU WEREN'T IN THE DECISION MAKING, BUT IT, IT SPARKS A LITTLE BIT OF MEMORY BECAUSE THAT WAS I WAS ON THE DAIS WHEN, THAT FIRST TRANSITIONED I'M NOT SURE WE WERE AT THE CAPACITY WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER THAT WE ARE TODAY.

SO THE WAY I RECALL IT, IT, AND I GUESS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S WEIGHING IN ON THAT AGREEING IN THAT SO THAT THAT'S AN INTERESTING TAKE BECAUSE YOU HAD. EIGHT THAT YOU MAINTAINED.

AND I THINK BACK THEN WE WERE STRUGGLING TO, TO MAINTAIN THOSE SINCE THAT TIME, THERE WAS SOME BONUSES THAT WERE PROVIDED AND AN INCREASE IN PAY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT, THAT PLAYED A ROLE IN MAINTAINING YOUR STAFF TODAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. WE DID HAVE SIGNIFICANT STAFFING CHALLENGES.

THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF MANDATORY OVERTIME BEING FORCED TO MAINTAIN STAFFING REQUIREMENTS.

AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE INCREASED STAFFING OVER TIME.

I'VE GOT KEN COUNCILMAN JOHNSON YOU GOOD? OKAY.

I HAVE I GUESS COUNCILMAN HAMMER AND THEN DEPUTY MAYOR.

ALL THESE ALL THESE EMPLOYEES BELONG TO A WHITE COLLAR UNION, RIGHT? CORRECT. IS THE UNION REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO GIVE A STANCE? I DID NOT SEE HER. THERE IS THE STATE PRESIDENT, THOUGH.

MR. FRY IS PRESENT. OKAY. SO YOUR UNION REP ISN'T HERE TO SPEAK FOR HIM? I DON'T SEE HER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

DID YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM. I WANTED TO ASK YOU WHAT YOUR STANCE WAS.

ALL RIGHT. COPY THAT. AND, DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH.

ACTUALLY THANK YOU. CHIEF. I HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR FOR CHIEF STOVER, BASED ON A QUESTION I HAD FOR CHIEF SPEARS.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. THANKS. THANK YOU. CHIEF. THANKS.

CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK UP. YOU TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, AND I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN HERE MAYBE FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE TRANSITIONS.

YES. WHAT WAS THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU THAT YOU ENCOUNTERED WITH WITH OUR DISPATCH TRYING TO DISPATCH FIRE OUT OF OUR OPERATION? WHEN I CAME IN, IT WAS UNDER CHIEF HOAG. I WAS A DIVISION CHIEF, AND ONE OF THE FIRST ASSIGNMENTS THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME WAS TO GO OVER AND TRY AND GET IT TO WHERE THE FIRE DISPATCH PART OF THE CENTER UP THERE WAS MORE ROBUST, WAS BETTER TRAINED AND WAS ABLE TO MEET OUR NEEDS WITH THAT. I MET WITH THE I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME, BUT I MET WITH PD.

THERE WAS, THERE WAS AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO DESIRE TO LET, LET ME GO BACK A SECOND HERE AND EXPLAIN WHY I WOULD DO THIS. WHAT WE DID DOWN IN BROWARD IS WE MADE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR PEOPLE CAME IN AND THEY WERE CROSS TRAINED, JUST LIKE YOU HEARD THE SHERIFF SAY. THEY WERE CROSS TRAINED AND THEY DID FIRE.

THEY DID MD, THEY DID BASIC TELECOMMUNICATOR, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WHEN I CAME IN AND I CARRIED THOSE TRAIN THE TRAINER OF CERTIFICATES FROM DOWN SOUTH FOR ABCO TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

WHEN I OFFERED TO BRING OUR PEOPLE IN ON THE FIRE SIDE TO START TEACHING THE DISPATCHERS AND TO TEACH THE NEW DISPATCHERS, I WAS BASICALLY TOLD THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT BACK WITH CHIEF HOGG. WE WENT OVER SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON ON THE STAFFING, ON THE COUNCILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND CHIEF HOGG ASKED WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WAS, AND I SAID MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND LET THEM DISPATCH

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JUST A STATEMENT I MAKE NOT LOOKING FOR A REBUTTAL ON THAT.

SO. THERE'S ALWAYS A STAFFING ISSUE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

THANK YOU CHIEF. ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. PLEASE.

RIGHT NOW, GENTLEMEN. WHAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNCIL? DO YOU WANT ME TO START? WHOEVER WANTS TO START.

OKAY. I'LL START. SO FIRST, FIRST AND FOREMOST THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, AND I SHARED A LOT OF IT THE FIRST TIME. RIGHT, RIGHT WHEN WE BEGAN.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR. THE THE SHERIFF HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN THIS TRANSITION, AND THERE'S TOTAL CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN HANDLE THE JOB.

THE ISSUE IS THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE STUDIED THIS ENOUGH, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT BREVARD COUNTY IS UNIQUE AS PART OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS VERY UNIQUE AS PART OF THE COUNTY.

AND FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND START LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY PEEL BACK THIS ONION A LOT MORE.

WHAT WE UNCOVERED WAS PEMBROKE. AND LET ME JUST START BY SAYING, MR. MORTON, I THINK, REACHED OUT TO THE SHERIFF AND IT WAS BASED ON FINANCES.

AND YET TODAY HE CAME AND HE SAYS, IF IT'S ONLY ABOUT THE COST FACTOR, WE'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING.

THAT'S WHAT HE LEARNED DOWN IN BROWARD COUNTY THAT CAUSED ME.

AND, YOU KNOW, MY SPIRIT WAS UNEASY AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I'M STILL UNEASY, GENTLEMEN. I'M STILL NOT THERE.

NOT THAT I'M JUST ONE VOTE, I GET THAT. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE 38 YEARS. PERHAPS IT'S BECAUSE I'M SO INVESTED IN THE CITY THAT I TRULY CARE ABOUT EACH AND EVERY PERSON THAT LIVES HERE. I KNOW EXACTLY THE LEADERS FROM BEFORE AND HOW THEY CARED SO MUCH FOR THE CITY. THEY WANTED THEIR OWN DISPATCH. THEY WANTED TO CREATE THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY WANTED TO BUILD THAT UP. THE BIGGEST DISAGREEMENT THAT I HAD BACK THEN WAS THEY WANTED TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

WE'RE MAKING STRIDES TO CHANGE THAT AT THIS POINT IN JUNCTURE.

I HEAR THAT THERE'S A CENTRAL SQUARE, WHATEVER IT WAS CALLED, UNIFIED DEVICE THAT CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE CATS WITH.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE WE HAVE THEM BUDGETED TILL THE END OF NEXT YEAR, SEPTEMBER 30TH.

WHY WOULD WE WANT TO PUSH SOMETHING ALONG WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS THAT EVEN OUR CITY MANAGER'S SPOKE ABOUT? SO RIGHT NOW I'M STILL UNEASY. I'M NOT SURE THAT I'LL GET TO THAT END RESULT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU I WOULD FEEL MORE AT PEACE GETTING IN, UNRAVELING THIS ONION AND GETTING ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RESPONDED TO.

I LOVE THE THE RETIRED OFFICER THAT THAT CAME THROUGH.

I FORGET HIS NAME. WHO WHO DOES STUDIES? I THINK THAT'S THE AVENUE.

IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS PATH, PERHAPS THAT'S THE AVENUE WE SHOULD TAKE.

AND THOSE ARE MY, MY THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW.

MAYOR. I WILL AGREE. WE MOVED FAST. THIS WAS INITIALLY FROM A BUDGET HEARING.

I WAS INITIALLY CONFLICTED. I WILL SAY I'M VERY WELL IMPRESSED WITH OUR DISPATCH.

I WAS VERY WELL IMPRESSED BY MR. ZIEGLER AND WHAT HE SHOWED ME THIS MORNING.

THE RESIDENCES, THE, THE RESIDENTS SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY.

I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS GIVING THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION TO, TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT BASED OFF OF THE EXPERTISE OF CHIEF STOVER, BEING THAT HE'S BEEN IN THE POSITION AS WELL AND THAT HE'S CURRENTLY WITH BCSO BECAUSE INITIALLY I ONLY ASKED LIKE ONE QUESTION OF HIM LAST TIME.

THIS TIME HE WENT INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL ON THINGS I WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERING.

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A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, A LOT OF THIS DATA STILL CAN BE PROVIDED.

SO THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION BECAUSE THERE ARE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

SO BUT THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER. OH YEAH. SO. I HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON.

FIRST. WHEN WE CAME IN HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE MANDATED WITH IS FINDING MORE MONEY FOR ROADS, FINDING MORE MONEY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. WHAT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM NEEDS TO REALIZE IS WHEN YOU COME OUT HERE AND SAY YOU WANT TO OR YOU'RE TRYING TO, WE BELONG TO SOMETHING THAT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

SUNSHINE. IF WE'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I CAN'T CALL KENNY AND TALK TO HIM. I CAN'T CALL MIKE OR ROB OR CHANDLER AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

THIS IS CALLED A DISCUSSION. SO WE ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

SO THOUGH YOU'RE TRYING TO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THE POSSIBILITY TO SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

OKAY. MY SECOND THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON IS WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN LOOM OF LEGISLATION.

NOW, THE LEGISLATION MIGHT HAPPEN. IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.

I'VE BEEN INVITED TO THE CCMS, AND I'M GOING TO SAY I DIDN'T GO AND I DIDN'T GO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO THE COMMONS BEFORE.

SOME OF YOU WERE BORN. I HAVE BEEN IN THAT COMM CENTER DURING EVACUATIONS.

I'VE BEEN IN THAT COMM CENTER DURING HURRICANES, FLOODS, FIRES.

I WAS SIX YEARS OLD, SITTING IN THE COMM CENTER WHILE MY DAD WAS OUT ON A ON A ON A TRACKHOE GOING WHERE PALM BAY PD WAS TELLING HIM TO GO IN A HURRICANE. I WAS A PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATE FOR A LONG TIME.

DURING A LOT OF EMERGENCIES. I WAS SITTING THERE TAKING, RELAYING THROUGH THE FIRES, THROUGH BAYSIDE WHERE HOUSES WERE GETTING HIT.

I'D BEEN IN THE COMM CENTER BEFORE YOU KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHY WOULD I GO IN THERE WHEN YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD CHANGE HOW YOU ARE OR PERFORM? I DON'T WANT THAT. I KNOW YOU GUYS PERFORM BEFORE THAT.

I HAVE NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT. ZERO. I DON'T NEED TO GO IN THERE FOR THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW YOU PERFORM WITHOUT KNOWING I'M THERE NOW.

I THINK YOU DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT COULD BE COMING.

AND FROM MY DISCUSSIONS, IT'S IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT IS BEING OFFERED.

THAT'S ONE THING THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY DESERVE TO HEAR.

THEIR OPTIONS, NOT JUST YOU GUYS, NOT JUST US.

THE PALM BAY RESIDENTS AND THE TAXPAYERS DESERVE TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. THAT'S WHY OUR SUNSHINE LAWS ARE SO GREAT, BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS IN THE OPEN.

YOU AND ME AND EVERYBODY CAN HEAR HOW WE FEEL, DISCUSS BACK AND FORTH AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

AND I WILL GO ON RECORD ON SAYING, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHIEF SPEARS.

THAT MAN HAS BEEN WITH THIS CITY FOR PROBABLY SINCE HE WAS 15 YEARS OLD, AND BLOOD BLED FOR US.

I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT HURT ME TO HEAR PEOPLE CLAP WHEN SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THAT HURT ME.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID. I KNOW HOW MUCH THIS CITY COST ME BE AND HOW MUCH IT MEANS TO ME.

NOW, WHEN SOMEONE SAID WE CAN GO AND GET GRANTS, ONE OF OUR FIRST THINGS THAT WE DID UPON UPON BECOMING ELECTED, WE GOT FIVE LEGISLATIVE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A PRIORITY.

ONE OF THEM WAS EXPANDING OUR COMM CENTER. I WENT TO TALLAHASSEE WITH THREE OTHER PEOPLE, AND WE FOUGHT FOR $80,000 FOR THAT COMM CENTER, AND WE HAD MEETINGS WITH ALL OF OUR LEGISLATORS.

AND GUESS WHAT? WE GOT IT PASSED THROUGH THE SENATE.

WE GOT TO PASS THROUGH THE HOUSE, AND IT GOT VETOED AT THE END.

SO SEEING GOING AND LOOKING FOR GRANTS, LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING.

THAT WAS OUR FIRST THING THAT WE DID OUR FIRST YEAR GETTING ELECTED.

SECONDLY, I WANT TO SAY THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, TITUSVILLE'S COMM CENTER GOT DENIED FOR A GRANT AS WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATION IS THINKING, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

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I HAVE SO MUCH MORE I CAN SAY. I WILL SAY THIS.

I, I DO NOT THINK IT WILL RUN THE SAME WITHOUT ALL 27 PEOPLE GOING TO BREVARD COUNTY.

I DO. I FEEL THAT. I ALSO FEEL THAT. SEVEN YOU SAID THERE'S 697 SIGNATURES, BUT IT'S.

709 I WILL GO TO WAR NEXT TO WAYNE IVEY. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER PERSON IN BREVARD COUNTY THAT I WOULD STAND NEXT TO MORE THAN WAYNE IVEY.

AND AND I HAVE NO DOUBTS. IF EVERY SINGLE DISPATCHER WENT TO BREVARD COUNTY, I.

I KNOW HE WOULD MAKE IT WORK, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO WAR OR NEXT TO WAYNE IVEY AND HAND HIM A GUN WITHOUT ENOUGH AMMO IN IT. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME.

AND I HAVE SO MUCH MORE I COULD SAY, BUT I WILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

HOW IT IS. I THINK THE RESIDENTS HAVE A SAY IN IT AND I MEAN, ONE PERSON WAS FOR IT.

I DO NOT WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GET LAID OFF. AND IF THE LEGISLATION DOES COME DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT AND YOU ALL DESERVE THE OPTION TO HEAR WHAT THE SHERIFF IS OFFERING IN LIEU OF THAT.

BECAUSE NEXT YEAR, AND IT'S NOT EVEN NEXT YEAR, I THINK YOU CAN START LEGISLATION IN MARCH.

I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A SITUATION THAT COMES UP WITH, HEY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? SO I JUST WANT EVERYTHING TO BE HEARD. EVERYBODY KNOWS YOUR YOUR DECISION TONIGHT BECAUSE MY DECISION IS BASED ON YOU.

YOU WILLING TO TAKE THAT CHANCE? AND I'M I'M.

I SAY WE WAIT UNTIL MARCH WHEN WHEN THE LEGISLATION GOES AND THEN START HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

IF IT'S STILL OPEN, IF THE OFFERS ARE STILL OPEN.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER SITUATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. WELL, I WILL DATE THE MAYOR AND THE. AND THE UNDERSHERIFF BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A VERY WEE YOUNG LAD AND WE MOVED HERE, I THINK I WAS TEN YEARS OLD, MY DAD GOT A JOB AS A FEDERAL AGENT AT NASA, AND I THINK HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE UNDERSHERIFF JUST ABOUT SINCE THEN OR NOT TOO LONG.

SO BUT SINCE THAT TIME, FOR 23 YEARS. YOU KNOW, THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY ON LAUNCH OPERATIONS.

AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED OUT AT THE SPACE CENTER AND HELPING THEM OUT.

AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING FOR 23 YEARS, BUT HOW PROFESSIONAL AND OUTSTANDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS WORKING WITH THEM.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A A SMALL COUNTRY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE WORKING ONE OF THE LARGEST COUNTIES IN THE COUNTRY. THEY HAVE ONE OF THE ONLY OPERATIONAL SPACEPORTS IN THE COUNTRY.

ON TOP OF THAT, THEY HAVE A LARGE PORE, ONE OF THE LARGEST CRUISE SHIP PORTS IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY RUN THE JAIL. THEY RUN THE COUNTY EOC 72 MILES LONG.

NOT NOT EVEN TOO LONG AGO, I WAS JUST THINKING, MAN, I-95 IS CRAZY LATELY.

AND THE SHERIFF COMES OUT WITH A WITH THE I-95 PROPOSAL.

MY WIFE DRIVES I-95 FOUR DAYS A WEEK. AND THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THE PROFESSIONALISM I'VE SEEN OUT THERE, EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ISSUE, I'VE SEEN IT ADDRESSED.

THE LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM FROM OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS OUTSTANDING. I CAME IN IN THIS WITH OPEN EYES.

OBVIOUSLY THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE WAS THE MONEY THAT WE SAVE.

AND IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE POOL.

IT'S NOT A MINOR ISSUE RIGHT NOW. WE ARE IN THE HOLE.

AND THAT'S EVEN IF AMENDMENT THREE DOESN'T PASS.

BUT AFTER TALKING WITH, WITH THE SHERIFF'S TEAM GOING AND SEEING THE FACILITIES THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT AFTER SEEING THE DATA, LISTENING TO OUR CITY MANAGER THE TIME THAT WE SAVED THE PARKLAND STUDY, WE, I'VE HEARD FROM THIS DAIS MULTIPLE TIMES.

IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE AND WE SAW, UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PARKLAND SITUATION.

AND SO I HAVE ZERO DOUBTS IN THE SHERIFF'S OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE'S CAPABILITIES OF MAKING THIS THE SMOOTHEST TRANSFER POSSIBLE.

I HAVE ZERO DOUBTS FROM OUR POLICE LEADERSHIP.

AND I DO WANT TO ECHO WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID.

I'M SUPER IMPRESSED WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF. WE HAVE AN AMAZING POLICE CHIEF AND HE'S GOING TO DO A CONTINUE TO DO AMAZING THINGS AS HE MOVES FORWARD.

AND, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THE FIRE CHIEF'S TESTIMONY IS HUGE.

THESE GUYS ARE PROFESSIONALS. I WE'RE NOT PROFESSIONALS UP HERE.

WE'RE OUR JOB IS TO LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONALS AND MAKE A DECISION. AND TO ME, WHEN EVERY SINGLE PROFESSIONAL COMES UP AND SAYS,

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I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS MOVE TONIGHT.

I WAS IN FAVOR OF IT LAST TIME AND THAT'S ONLY SOLIDIFIED MORE SINCE THEN.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU KNOW, MY BELIEF SYSTEM IS PRETTY SIMPLE.

PROVIDE THE MAXIMUM VALUE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE LEAST EXPENSIVE PRICE TO THE TAXPAYERS.

YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE THAT'S A GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR A LIVING, I LIKE IT WHEN I SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE HOMEOWNER. THEN THEY TELL ME HOW TO BUILD A HOUSE. YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE WITH THE SHERIFF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE A TRANSITION. HIS TEAM IS A PROFESSIONAL.

HE'S A PROFESSIONAL. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO TELL HIM WHAT THAT TRANSITION SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE, HOW HE SHOULD STAFF HIS EMPLOYEES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE POSITION THAT WE SHOULD BE IN. I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE IN OUR JOB AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS TO PROVIDE GOVERNMENT JOBS.

I BELIEVE IN SMALLER GOVERNMENT. I DON'T THINK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS YOU KNOW, WE HAD PEOPLE COME OUT FOR THE POOL.

THE ROOM WAS PACKED. MOST OF THEM WERE EMPLOYEES OF THE POOL.

WHAT I RECOGNIZE TONIGHT, A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE HERE FROM THE DISPATCH. WE HAVE 160,000 RESIDENTS.

THIS ROOM FITS 200 PEOPLE. OUR CITY IS NOT HERE IN ITS ENTIRETY.

SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST THIS ISSUE. THEY ELECTED US TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TRANSITION, AND I THINK BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE FROM THE DISPATCHERS AND THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE TO FUND OUR DISPATCH UNTIL ON OR BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 27TH SEPTEMBER.

AND DURING THAT TRANSITION, MR. MORTON CREATES A COMMITTEE WITH WHO HE THINKS IS IMPORTANT.

MAYBE THE CHIEF LEAD DISPATCHERS AND OTHER STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT IS FAVORABLE FOR BOTH PARTIES AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TRANSITION. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT THAT'S MY POSITION. WELL THANK YOU. I'M JUST NOT AT THE POINT OF SQUEEZING THE TRIGGER ON THIS.

AND I MADE THAT THAT POINT CLEAR. IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD, I UNDERSTAND, I RESPECT THAT. I JUST I DISAGREE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE RUSHING THIS I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME THAT THE, THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAD TO BEGIN WITH SHOULD BE RESPONDED TO.

I MAY GET THEIR CHANCES ARE YOU START FILLING IN THOSE GAPS AND I CAN GET THERE.

BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUSHING THIS ENVELOPE AND WE'VE GOT THIS.

THIS TEAM ALREADY TILL THE END OF NEXT YEAR. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION, AND THEN I'LL JUST CALL THE VOTE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SAY AGAIN, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION.

IT'S IT WAS IT WAS A DISCUSSION. AND I, I CONCUR, BUT THEY FORCED THE DISCUSSION ON TODAY FROM THE LAST TIME.

SO WITH A WITH A VOTE. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GIVE THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATION TO BRING BACK A CONTRACT FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION CONSIDERATION ON, ON OR BEFORE FISCAL YEAR, SEPTEMBER 27TH.

I'LL SECOND IT. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED A LOT PRIOR TO THAT DEPUTY MAYOR, IN REGARDS TO DOES ALL THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, I GUESS, IS THAT FOR TERESE OR FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY OF WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR HAD JUST MENTIONED? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT EVERYTHING HE HAD SAID.

I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION AS TO THE YOU SAID SEPTEMBER OF 27.

WELL, I'M JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TRANSITION BE COMPLETED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH FISCAL YEAR BEFORE 27 OF SEPTEMBER.

OH, THAT'S NOT WHEN I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING WHEN YOU WANTED THE CONTRACT BROUGHT BACK.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CONFUSED. I GOTCHA OKAY. YEAH.

BECAUSE WE'RE FUNDED THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF 27.

THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

TERESE. ROLL CALL. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE AYE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AYE COUNCILMAN HAMMER J.

COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN I. MAYOR. MEDINA. NAY. MOTION PASSES 3 TO 2.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS NOW. THANK YOU.

JACK. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

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[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

MARGARITA. HI. HI. CAN WE HELP HER, PLEASE? OH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOUG.

I'LL HAVE YOU SIT UP FRONT FROM NOW ON. SO THAT WAY.

YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. IT'S BEEN A VERY PROGRESSIVE EVENING HERE, BUT I'M CALLING.

I'M HERE TODAY WITH THE FLORIDA PUERTO RICAN HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND UNITED THIRD BRIDGE.

AND I ARE HERE TO INVITE AND TO TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT OUR UPCOMING EVENT FOR THE PUERTO RICAN DAY PARADE IN OCTOBER 24TH.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF I CAN TURN AROUND AND ADDRESS THE AUDIENCE.

NO, JUST JUST ADDRESS US. US. OKAY. SO OUR EVENT IS OCTOBER 24TH.

IT'S GOING TO BE HELD BACK HERE AT CITY HALL, NUMBER ONE.

IT IS DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER FOR HERITAGE SPANISH HERITAGE AND LATIN HERITAGE.

AND YOU KNOW WE ARE HAPPY TO BE COMING BACK TO CITY HALL TO HAVE THIS EVENT.

WE'RE STARTING AGAIN AT SOUTHWEST ON ELDERON SCHOOL AND COMING DOWN THE ROUTE TO CITY HALL AND TO HAVE THE FESTIVAL HERE ON THE GROUNDS. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF YOU BEING THERE.

WE INVITE YOU TO SAVE THE DATE ON YOUR CALENDAR.

OCTOBER 24TH. THE EVENT FOR THE PARADE WILL START AT PROMPTLY 9:00.

AND THEN IN HERE. AND THE FESTIVAL WILL CONTINUE TILL 7 P.M..

WE ARE GLAD THAT CITY HALL IS OPEN AGAIN, AND THAT WE MAY USE THE PASSAGE OF OUR GREAT PRESIDENT THAT WE HAD MR. SAMUEL C LOPEZ, AND THAT THE ROAD THAT ENDS HERE IS NAMED AFTER HIM.

I'D LIKE TO EXTEND THE INVITATION TO ALL THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HAVING FESTIVALS DURING THE YEAR, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT WE ALL STAND BY EACH OTHER AND BECOME THE ONE GREAT CITY OF HAVING A GREAT POPULATION OF ALL BREEDS OF LATIN INDIAN EVERYONE WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER MULTICULTURAL EVENTS AS WELL, AND WE'D LIKE FOR EVERYONE THAT COMES TO THOSE TO COME, ONE AND ALL, INCLUDING ALL OF YOU ALL TO BE IN THE PARADE.

AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD YOU BEFORE. MAYOR. SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE DOING THIS AS PART OF PALM BAY'S UP AND COMING AND WELL LIVING RESIDENTS AND TO THE TO THE COUNTY THAT EVERYONE FROM TITUSVILLE TO GRANT COME ON OUT AND CELEBRATE THIS EVENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I SEND THIS INFORMATION FROM SAMUEL LOPEZ'S DAUGHTER AND SON AS WELL.

AND THE REST OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.

THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OH, ONE MORE THING. MISS ETTA HAS BEEN AT EVERY PARADE.

YES. AND SHE'S PUERTO RICAN, AND SHE DRESSES TO THE TOP, INCLUDING HER CAR.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GUYS. THANK YOU. JUST JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MA'AM MISS CHAVEZ, I MAY HAVE A CONFLICT THIS YEAR.

WHO AM I GOING TO PUT THERE? YEAH. DEPUTY MAYOR, MAYBE.

OKAY. ALTHOUGH HE HE WON'T BE ABLE TO SING AS AS WELL AS ME, BUT I'M SURE THE DEPUTY MAYOR, IF I CAN'T MAKE IT, HE'LL, HE'LL HE'LL ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE INVITATION IS EXTENDED TO ANYONE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, EFREN MOLINA.

HERE COMES TROUBLE. JUST THIS THING.

SAYS LEWIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. MOLINA.

828 FOURTH AVENUE. LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING CITY MANAGER MOORE HAS PROVIDED ON AUGUST 7TH 26 TO SOCIAL MEDIA NEWS OUTLETS AND THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY ABOUT. THE CITY COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO TRUST, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT HAVE CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED THAT COUNCIL.

WHERE IS THAT RIGHT NOW? WHILE ALLEGATIONS OF YOUR PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER SCRUTINY AND LAWSUIT. WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT DURING COUNCILMAN NEO-NAZI BEHAVIOR.

MR. MORTON STATED IN LATE AUGUST REGULAR MEETING.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FUNDING TO EVEN PROVIDE 20 COP CARS FOR OUR LEOS AND OTHER BUDGET ISSUES SUCH AS BODY ARMOR,

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IF THERE IS FUNDING FOR FRIVOLOUS THINGS LIKE JIU JITSU CLASSES, A POLICE ACADEMY, VISITING CHILDREN AT SCHOOLS, PAYING COMPROMISED OFFICERS FOR THEIR RESIGNATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE DONE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, THEN THERE'S PROBABLY SOME WAYS TO BUDGET SOME OF THAT ASSET BACK TO DEFENDING OUR POLICE OFFICERS.

FRANKLY, IF WE CAN'T EVEN HOLD SOME OF OUR CRIMINAL OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE, HOW DO WE EXPECT TO KEEP SHERIFF IVEY AND THE BCSO ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH US? I WOULDN'T TRUST HIM AS A VICTIM OF SHERIFF IVY'S MISUSE.

AND LET US NOT BE FORGETFUL. LET ME REMIND YOU OF HIS IRON LAWS THAT AFFECTED SEVEN CITIZENS WRONGFULLY.

THEY STILL GO THROUGH ISSUES ABOUT THAT. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HIM JOINING US IN OUR DISPATCH IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU'RE ASKING WHAT FURTHER INTEGRITY DO WE MAINTAIN IF WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR OFFICERS? HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF HIS OFFICERS? AT LEAST PROVIDE US WITH BETTER OPTIONS THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

FURTHER. COUNCIL, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN? WHAT HAS THE CITY ATTORNEY FILED UNDER INVESTIGATION TO HIS RECENT COMMENTS. BECAUSE IT ISN'T FREE SPEECH, THERE'S RACIAL PROFILING, COMMENTARIES THAT BREACH THE CODE OF ETHICS OF FLORIDA AND SEVERE BREACH OF OATH SWORN BY THE COUNCILMAN FOR THE MUNICIPALITY OF BREVARD AND FLORIDA UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE 161, TITLE NINE, CHAPTER 100.

HE MAY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE ELECTORS OF HIS MUNICIPALITY.

THOSE RESIDING IN THIS DISTRICT MAY SIGN A PETITION TO RECALL THE OFFICIAL FROM OFFICE.

WITH 10% OF THE POPULACE. THAT'S 160,000 PEOPLE, SO 160 VOTES.

THOSE WHO HAVE INITIATED THOSE WHO SIGNED SHALL BE CALLED RECALL COMMITTEE, SAYING THE GROUNDS ARE 200 WORDS.

WHAT THE OFFICIAL HAS BREACHED. LET ME BEGIN.

LANGDON IS GUILTY OF MORAL TURPITUDE, VIOLATING THE SENTIMENT AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION, HIS ACT OF MALEFICENCE ON HIS DELIBERATE ACT TO RACIALLY PROFILE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY AND AMERICA IS ATROCIOUS. ACT OF MISFEASANCE IN ENDANGERING CITIZENS AND AMERICANS WHICH.

RACIAL PROFILING RHETORIC. NEGLECTFUL DUTY TO THE OATH AND ELECTED POSITION HE IS IN PROFESSIONAL INCOMPETENCE THAT ENDANGERS CITIZENS LIVES AND WELL-BEINGS.

THE WORST PART OF HIS CONDUCT IS THAT HE WAS A FORMER SOLDIER WHO LACKS INTEGRITY.

HE WAS COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE AND FAIR TREATMENT OF ALL, AND THAT WAS A FAILURE. KENDALL. KENDALL.

KENDALL. GOT A ONE FIVE FOR ANGELO ROAD. SOUTHEAST.

I'M SO GLAD TO BE BACK AGAIN. I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET WITH YOU ALL IN THE LAST MEETINGS BECAUSE OF PASTORAL DUTIES.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY. MACK JAFFEE CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR YOUR ELECTION.

AND ALSO FOR KENNY JOHNSON. I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE.

CONGRATULATE YOU TOO. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU FIVE THAT YOU YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS. YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY. I MEAN, I HAVE A CHURCH OF 400 PLUS PEOPLE.

AND IT'S EASY. IT'S EASY NOT TO PLEASE SOMEBODY.

AND YOU HAVE. I TELL THE MAYOR HE'S A PASTOR OF 160 000 PEOPLE, AND YOU ALL ARE CO PASTORING.

AND MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU. FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

BIBLE SAYS WATCH YOUR HEARTS. IT'S SO EASY TO GET HURT AND OFFENDED BY WHAT PEOPLE SAY.

AND CERTAINLY IN A PLACE LIKE THIS, A LOT IS SAID.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU ALL SINCERELY.

AND MAY GOD GIVE YOU WISDOM IN, IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE HARD DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE.

MAY GOD PROTECT YOUR HEARTS FROM, FROM OFFENSE.

OFFENSES WILL COME. BUT, BUT PRAYERFULLY THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO OVERCOME IT, GUARD YOUR HEART AND NOT GET OFFENDED AND, AND PROGRESS WITH LOVE. SO I WANT TO FINISH WITH JUST ONE SCRIPTURE.

SINCE I'M A PASTOR, IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SQUEEZE A PASTOR, SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME OUT FROM THE BIBLE FOR GOD SO LOVED THE DAIS THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

HE DID NOT COME TO CONDEMN THE WORLD, BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD.

AND SO HE LOVES YOU. WE LOVE YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU.

MY PRAYERS ARE FOR YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M HAPPY TO BE BACK AGAIN.

GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BUTCHER AN.

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AND THAT'S HIS CHOICE. HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

I SPENT 23 YEARS IN THE MILITARY DEFENDING THAT RIGHT TO DO THAT.

THE PART I TOOK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, BECAUSE I ONLY SEE IT IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ONLINE.

THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THERE ABOUT US. WE ARE TIRED OF SENDING OUR WHITE SONS TO FIGHT FOR YOU.

NOW, MY TIME IN THE MILITARY. I FLEW COMBAT MISSIONS IN VIETNAM, BAGHDAD, PANAMA, GRENADA, ALL OVER. EACH TIME WE WENT OUT, WE HAD AN INTEGRATED CREW.

WE HAD PUERTO RICANS. WE HAD IRAQIS. WE HAD. BLACKS.

WE HAD WHITES. WE HAD ONE GUY FROM SOME ISLAND.

HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE HELL HE WAS FROM, BUT HE WAS A US CITIZEN BECAUSE HE MOVED HERE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, SIR. KIND OF GIVE ME A SLAP IN THE FACE.

THE REST OF. IT'S YOUR FREEDOM TO SAY SO. THANK YOU.

OH, AND WHY DID THEY PUT THIS SWITCH DOWN HERE WHERE YOU CAN'T REACH IT? I NEED TO PUT IT UP HERE WHERE IT'S SEEN. THANKS, DOUG.

DOUG. HOOK. DOUG. HOOK. ENGINEERS. BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS ENGINEERS.

DOUG HOOK, SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO START OFF TONIGHT.

YOU CAN SEE I'M WEARING RAISED GEAR. I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE THE RAISE FOR OVERCOMING MY PRESENCE. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS. I'VE BEEN ON A SIX GAME LOSING STREAK. AND TODAY WE ACTUALLY BEAT THE A'S. SO IT WAS NICE TO SEE THE RAYS WIN IN TROPICANA FIELD.

FINALLY. I WANTED TO FOLLOW THAT UP WITH TALKING ABOUT SOME OF OUR EVENTS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN AND IS HELPING PROMOTE THIS SATURDAY AT FROM 8 A.M. TO 12 P.M.

AT CASTAWAY POINT. MISS CHRISTINE JOHNSON IS GOING TO BE THERE AND AT STEARNS POINT PARK I WILL BE THERE.

WE WILL BE SITE CAPTAINS FOR INTERNATIONAL COASTAL CLEANUP.

IT IS A COALITION THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, KEEP BREVARD BEAUTIFUL AND THE OCEAN CONSERVANCY.

WHAT WE WILL BE DOING DURING OUR INTERNATIONAL COASTAL CLEANUP IS PICKING UP LITTER AND DOING SOME CITIZEN SCIENCE.

IF IT'S SOMETHING ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN THE AUDIENCE AND PARTAKING IN, WE WELCOME YOU TO COME.

THERE ARE SIGN UPS ONLINE. I DID SEE THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY POSTED THOSE LINKS.

SO IF YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THOSE SIGN UP LINKS.

AND I'M VERY EXCITED BECAUSE I TALKED TO KEEP BREVARD BEAUTIFUL.

AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN PROBABLY 4 OR 5 YEARS THAT PALM BAY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS.

SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE REENGAGING WITH THAT.

NEXT EVENT THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS GOING TO BE SATURDAY, THE 26TH OF SEPTEMBER AT FRED POPPY PARK.

THE SOUTH BREVARD NAACP IS GOING TO BE HOSTING.

MIKE, CHECK THE VOTE. IT'S GOING TO BE A FAMILY FUN EVENT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE GIVEAWAYS, PERFORMANCES, ENTERTAINMENT, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. AND BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE CAN REGISTER TO VOTE AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT VOTING PROCESS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS BREVARD INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION.

THEY'RE TRYING TO TEACH INDIVIDUALS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SORREL.

THERE'S GOING TO BE LITTLE GROWERS. A LOT OF GREAT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS ARE INVOLVED IN THAT ONE.

THE NEXT ONE THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS OCTOBER 4TH.

THAT IS GOING TO BE THE LAGOON FAMILY FUN DAY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD AT GOOD PARK HERE IN PALM BAY FROM 10 A.M.

TO 4 P.M.. I WANTED TO PERSONALLY THANK THE PARKS AND RECREATION TEAM FOR ASSISTING THE BREVARD INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION AND GETTING THAT ORGANIZED.

RECREATION TEAM IS ALSO GOING TO BE HOSTING SOME KID EVENTS THERE.

THAT AGAIN, AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IS GOING TO BE A FAMILY FUN DAY.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD TRUCKS, GAMES, EVENTS FOR KIDS.

THERE'S THE PLAYGROUND THERE. WE'RE HOPING THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME KAYAKS SO PEOPLE CAN GET OUT ONTO TURKEY CREEK AND ENJOY IT.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FAMILIES TO LEARN ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF LAGOON AND THE SOLAR PROGRAM.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY PARTNERS PARTAKING IN THAT. AND THE LAST EVENT THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT JUST BRIEFLY IS GOING TO BE THE FLORIDA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY LANDSCAPE TOUR. THE CONRADINA CHAPTER IS GOING TO BE DOING THAT AGAIN. IT'S GOING TO BE THE 17TH YEAR OF HAVING THAT LANDSCAPE TOUR.

IT'S GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE BEACHSIDE THIS YEAR.

AND ONE OF THE PHENOMENAL THINGS THAT IS GOING ON IS A CONSERVATION FAIR IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE AT ORLANDO PARK AS PART OF THAT TOUR.

AND THE ARE THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD WILL HAVE A TABLE AND SOME PRESENCE THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL.

SO MR. HOOK, APPRECIATE YOU, SIR. MAN. YOUR ADVOCACY IS AMAZING, BROTHER.

WE AS COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION IN REGARDS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH POLICIES AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES FOR AI DATA CENTERS AND SUSTAINABILITY BOARD TOOK IT HEAD ON THIS MONDAY.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF 30S TO A MINUTE OF.

YEAH. SO YOU ARE. WAIT, ARE YOU DOING THAT DURING COUNCIL REPORTS OR.

I HADN'T SUBMITTED ONE, BUT I CAN YOU WOULD DO THAT.

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AT MONDAY'S EVENT WE DID HAVE TO RESCHEDULE OUR BOARD MEETING BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE USING THE CHAMBERS ON OUR DAY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE DID HAVE A MEETING ON MONDAYS.

SO WE HAVE PRESENTED SOME AI DATA CENTER RESTRICTIONS VERY PRELIMINARY IN THE PHASE.

WE PRETTY MUCH JUST HAD ABOUT THREE DAYS AS A BOARD TO REVIEW THEM.

SO WE WANTED TO HOLD THAT DISCUSSION AND START THAT CONVERSATION AS A BOARD AS TO WHAT PALM BAY CAN DO TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT IF AI DATA CENTERS ARE COMING TO THE PALM BAY AREA, WHICH NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE SOME FRAMEWORK IN THERE TO WHERE WE ARE PROTECTING THE CITIZENS AND THE ENVIRONMENT IN THAT PROCESS. SO WE HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE ARE DOING IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY.

SO WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING THAT BACK UP AT ANOTHER FUTURE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.

AND CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION AFTER BEING ABLE TO LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, KRISTEN JONES.

GOOD EVENING. KRISTEN JONES, 908 ALBION STREET.

TODAY I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR REMOVING THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

I AM HAPPY TO SEE THE FALCONS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

IT GIVES US A FRESH BREATH OF AIR AROUND THE CITY, I THINK.

BUT I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW ARE THE CONDORS COMING DOWN? THEY ARE STILL UP THERE UNCOVERED. THEY'RE STILL UP IN THE INTERSECTIONS.

THEY'RE STILL IN OUR PARKS WATCHING YOU AS YOU DRIVE BY.

I DID IT THIS AFTERNOON AND IT FOLLOWED ME THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, SO I KNOW THEY'RE STILL ACTIVE. I WOULD LIKE CLARITY AROUND THE REMOVAL OF THE ENTIRE FLOCK SYSTEM, NOT JUST THOSE FALCON CAMERAS. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THOSE ARE THE CONDOR CAMERAS ARE SEPARATE FROM THE FALCON CONTRACT OR IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMBINED. IF I COULD GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO DISCUSS THE FIVE FOOT NOTICE FOR VARIANCES THAT COME OUT BY MAIL. I THINK THE OR SORRY, 500 FOOT VARIANCES.

I THINK THAT IS WAY TOO SMALL. I, I AND IT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING CLOSER TO 2500FT, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A HALF A MILE OR EVEN MORE BECAUSE MAKING UPDATES TO THAT, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING UPDATES TO LDC RULES AROUND THAT TONIGHT.

BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY THE DISTANCE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LOOKED AT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR RESIDENTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING NEAR THEM, NOT JUST THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT ON THE BORDERS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE GAS STATION THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING LATER, IT SAYS THAT ZERO PEOPLE THERE WERE ZERO CITIZENS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT.

IF YOU GUYS PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING OUT THERE ON HERITAGE, WHICH I KNOW YOU DO. THERE'S ALREADY THREE NEW GAS STATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THIS LOCATION. SO I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO SAY NO ON THE GAS STATION.

UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T STAY ANY LATER, SO I COULDN'T WAIT TO SPEAK ON IT AT THAT POINT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. JEAN. JOSEPH.

JEAN. JOSEPH. SOUTHWEST. PALM BAY. MAYOR PALM BAY GREATEST CITY ON THIS WORLD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY. GO AHEAD AND SPEAK, SIR.

I'M ASKING, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAY? BECAUSE YOU'VE.

YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME. IT'S MY TIME, THOUGH.

I CAN DO THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.

RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY. ARE WE IN AGREEANCE THAT YOU GUYS ARE A COLLECTIVE TOGETHER? YOU GUYS ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

IF SO, HOW IS IT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REPRESENTING US ALLOWS SOMEBODY ON THIS PANEL TO SPEW HATE, SPEW BIGOTRY? YOU KNOW, THEY CALL IT PATRIOTS AND THAT'S, THAT'S FINE AND ALL, BUT THE WAY THEY ARE USING THE WORD PATRIOTS NOW IS MORE SO ON THE NEO-NAZI SIDE.

I WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS BECAUSE THIS KIND OF THIS KIND OF GOT ME.

IT GOT ME HOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I SERVED MATTER OF FACT, I SERVED.

I'M A DISABLED VETERAN. I GOT THE DV PLATES. I'VE DONE MY TIME, YOU KNOW, SO TO SEE THIS TWEET RIGHT HERE, WE CONSTANTLY SEND THE BEST OF OUR WHITE SONS TO DIE IN SHITHOLES OVERSEAS, JUST TO LET PEOPLE THAT KILLED THEM COME AND TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY. ARE Y'ALL Y'ALL IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT? ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S REPRESENTING THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEBODY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME UP HERE.

AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING RECENTLY PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND THIS AIN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED. LAST TIME SOMEBODY GOT CENSORED AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY PAID HOW MUCH MONEY FOR HIM?

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MAN, LET ME GO AHEAD AND GET ANOTHER SEIZURE AND AND PUT PUT THIS ON THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT? IS THAT THE CITY THAT'S PAYING FOR THAT.

IS THAT THE THE CITIZENS THAT'S PAYING FOR THAT? HOW YOU TALK ABOUT SOME WHITE SONS.

I SERVED WITH SOME OF THEM. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME VIEW.

THEY THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME VIEW. THAT'S THAT'S SOME BULL, BRO.

SIR, YOU YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ME AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.

YES, SIR. I TRY TO ADDRESS YOU. YOU WEREN'T TALKING TO ME, BUT NOW YOU TALKING TO ME.

SO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ME. IT'S BS THAT Y'ALL ARE ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN.

SOMEBODY'S SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY TO TWEET SOME BS LIKE.

AND THEN DON'T, DON'T FORGET THE THE SHUT UP F WORD THAT I CAN'T SAY, BUT THE ALPHABET COMMUNITY WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED OF THE MAYOR.

AND I WILL SAY I SPEAK LIFE OVER MY CITY. I WILL ALWAYS SAY THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO CONDEMN. I'M NOT GOING TO CONDEMN.

SIR, YOU HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES AND YOU TOOK SOME TIME.

YOU HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES. I WILL ALWAYS SPEAK POSITIVE OVER MY CITY.

I WILL NEVER CONDEMN ANYONE ELSE. NOW YOU SPEAK OF ON THE DAIS.

YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT OCCURRED. I COULD REFER TO THE ATTORNEY, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

THE SENTIMENTS THAT COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF EACH INDIVIDUAL HERE, THAT ALL ONE, ONE PERSON.

WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. WE ATTEMPTED TO CENSOR AN INDIVIDUAL ON THIS, ON THIS DAIS COLLECTIVELY, AND THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. HOWEVER, IT WAS A COSTLY ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

DO WE AGREE WITH COMMENTS LIKE THAT? NO. YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY OF THOSE NEGATIVE COMMENTS COMING FROM ANYONE ON THIS DAIS BUT ONE INDIVIDUAL.

AND SO WE WE ARE IN A POSITION AT THIS TIME THAT WE WILL ALWAYS SPEAK LIFE INTO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY, INTO THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY, AS THE MOST PART.

BUT LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY I SAY THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

I BELIEVE THAT MY WORDS ARE SPIRITUAL CAPSULES.

I BELIEVE THAT MY WORDS HAVE POWER. AND THAT IS WHY YOU WOULD NEVER HEAR ME SAY A NEGATIVE THING ABOUT ANYONE OR ANY GROUP OR ANY CITY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I ENCOURAGE THE MAYORS THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO DECLARE THE SAME THING, BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR WORDS OF SPIRITUAL CAPSULES.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, NEXT SPEAKER, NEXT NEED.

THAT IS RIGHT THERE. THE ONE BEFORE IT. ALL RIGHT.

I'M NICK SNEED, 1775. CALLER. I HEAR A WORD DOGE THROWN AROUND QUITE A BIT.

DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY. USUALLY IT'S IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CUTTING COSTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EFFICIENCY ACTUALLY MEANS.

EFFICIENCY IS PRODUCING DESIRED RESULTS USING THE SMALLEST POSSIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME, EFFORT, MONEY AND WASTE. SOMETIMES EFFICIENCY SIMPLY MEANS IDENTIFYING A PROBLEM, FIXING IT PROMPTLY, AND NOT ALLOWING A SMALL PROBLEM TO BECOME A BIGGER, MORE EXPENSIVE ONE.

I WILL GIVE YOU A VERY SIMPLE EXAMPLE. PALM BAY CURRENTLY HAS TWO ORDINANCES ON THE BOOKS THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.

SECTION 7321 SAYS IT'S UNLAWFUL TO KEEP OR STORE A NONOPERATIVE VEHICLE ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

BUT SECTION 7425 SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT ONE VEHICLE MAY BE UNLICENSED OR INOPERABLE.

SO WHICH ONE OF THOSE IS ACTUALLY THE LAW? THESE ORDINANCES THAT CODE COMPLIANCE IS EXPECTED TO ENFORCE AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS.

AND THIS CONFLICT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE CITY JUST DISCOVERED.

IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF CITY MANAGEMENT IN OCTOBER OF 2025.

THAT'S ALMOST A YEAR FROM NOW. TODAY, BOTH OF THOSE REMAIN IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO BROADEN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY MEANS. HOW HAS SOMETHING SO SIMPLE NOT BEEN FIXED IN NEARLY A YEAR?

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IT ISN'T FAIR TO CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS WHO ARE BEING ASKED TO ENFORCE CONTRADICTORY LAWS.

EVERY HOUR SPENT DEALING WITH A PROBLEM THE CITY ALREADY KNEW EXISTED IS A COST TO TAXPAYERS.

IT'S AN UNNECESSARY COST. THAT'S NOT EFFICIENCY.

WHEN A PROBLEM IS IDENTIFIED, IT'S BROUGHT TO MANAGEMENT AND THEN ALLOWED TO SIT UNRESOLVED FOR NEARLY A YEAR.

THAT'S A FAILURE TO ACT. IT'S A FAILURE OF DECISIVENESS, DECISIVENESS, AND ULTIMATELY, IT'S A FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP.

IT SEEMS THAT THE CITY'S DE FACTO APPROACH TO INCREASING EFFICIENCY HAS REVOLVED PRIMARILY AROUND REDUCING STAFF, REDUCING COSTS, REMOVING AMENITIES AND WARNING CITIZENS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO WITHOUT BEFORE THE CITY DECIDES THAT DOING WITHOUT IS THE ANSWER.

PERHAPS IT SHOULD FIRST MAKE SURE IT'S ALREADY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND DOING IT WELL.

IDENTIFYING PROCESSES THAT CAN MOVE FASTER, FIX OBVIOUS PROBLEMS WHEN THEY'RE DISCOVERED AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, LISTENING TO EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY IDENTIFY THOSE PROBLEMS, INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THEM TO SIT UNRESOLVED FOR A YEAR.

EFFICIENCY SHOULDN'T JUST MEAN ASKING TAXPAYERS TO EXPRESS LESS FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT.

IT SHOULD ALSO MEAN EXPECTING MORE FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY ALREADY PAY FOR.

BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CHEAPEST PROBLEM TO SOLVE IS ONE THAT YOU DON'T SPEND A YEAR SITTING ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROBERT STICE. MR. MORTON, I KNOW YOU'RE DULY NOTING THOSE COMMENTS.

ROBERT 587. NO. 1796 WHEN. WE'RE SORRY. YOU KNOW, THIS MORNING MY WIFE AND I WENT TO THAT LITTLE RESTAURANT WHICH IS NORTH OF ELLIS ROAD ON MINTON, AND IT TOOK ME AND AT SUMMERFIELD BAYSIDE LAKES ABOUT A QUARTER TO, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 730 IN THE MORNING.

IT TOOK ME 25 MINUTES TO GET TO MALABAR. WAS ABLE TO GET DOWN TO MINTON, AND THEN BY THE TIME I GOT TO PALM BAY ROAD, IT WAS A COMPLETE HOUR. AND IT JUST STRUCK ME BECAUSE ALL OF THESE CARS ARE GOING IN MY DIRECTION AND NOTHING'S COMING INTO THE CITY.

AND IT JUST HIT ME. WE TRULY ARE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, OKAY? WE ARE. AND BUT WE'RE EXACERBATING THE SITUATION BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT'S COMING IN.

WE HAD 161,000 GENTLEMEN YOU PROMISED WHEN YOU GOT ELECTED.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE. CAN WE STEP OUT OF THE BOX A LITTLE BIT AND DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO TARGET, AND JUST LOOK AT THAT AND HOW FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE, BECAUSE I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING AND AND WHAT I CALL IT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS SUBURBAN GRIDLOCK IS WHAT IT IS.

I MEAN, IT'S AWFUL. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON YOU KNOW, GONE THESE ROADS DURING RUSH HOUR, TRY IT. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE GETTING EVEN GETTING TO I-95 DURING RUSH HOURS, 35, 40 MINUTES.

AND WE DON'T HAVE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A POLICE OFFICER DIRECT TRAFFIC AT MALABAR ROAD AND BABCOCK BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL MAKE A TURN AND THEY GO THROUGH THE LIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL THE LIGHT SHIFTS AGAIN, AND THEY JUST STAND THERE AND BACKS UP MORE TRAFFIC.

SO IF WE HAVE PALM BAY FINEST, YOU KNOW, DIRECTING TRAFFIC AT CHURCHES OR LIKE MELBOURNE DOES AT AT THE CHURCHES OVER THERE, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE AFTERNOON OR.

I'M SORRY, IN THE MORNING? I KNOW THEY GET BUSIER IN THE AFTERNOON.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOME OF PALM BAY FINEST DIRECTING MOVING SOME TRAFFIC EFFICIENTLY? THE OTHER THING, BEFORE I FORGET MR. CITY MANAGER, I REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH REGARD TO THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FORMER MAJORS GOLF COURSE, IS THAT STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH? ARE YOU EXPECTING ANOTHER RESPONSE? AND THEN AGAIN WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE? WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS I'VE BEEN COMING HERE.

PICK A SPOT. TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT YOUR PLAN IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW DRIVING IN THE CITY DURING RUSH HOUR, MORNING AND AFTERNOON QUITE HONESTLY SUCKS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL.

SO LET'S PLEASE LOOK AT THAT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, BILL BENTON.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

THE FREEDOM FORUM INSTITUTE CONDUCTED A SURVEY BY ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THE.

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BUT WHEN THEY ASKED THEM ABOUT THE OTHER ITEMS IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THEY.

SHOULD THAT BE ALSO LIMITED? REMEMBER, PEOPLE.

FIRST AMENDMENT HAS FREEDOM OF SPEECH. ALSO IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT WE HAVE GOT RELIGION, FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

WELL, LET'S START CENSORING FREEDOM OF RELIGION TOO, RIGHT? WE ALSO HAVE THE FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY. WELL, LET'S START LIMITING WHO WE BRING IN AND TALK TO MY CITY GOVERNMENT HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

LET'S ALSO START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE LIMIT THE PRESS, FREEDOM TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE FREEDOM TO PETITION OUR GOVERNMENT. WHY DON'T WE START LIMITING THAT ALSO? WE MIGHT NOT LIKE EVERYTHING WE SEE AND HEAR, BUT WE HAVE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

PALM BAY IS PART OF IT. LET'S REMEMBER WHAT OUR FIRST AMENDMENT GIVES US.

WE START LIMITING PIECES OF IT. WE MIGHT AS WELL LOSE IT ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I DO CARRY A CONSTITUTION WITH ME EVERYWHERE I GO.

I DO HAVE BELIEFS. DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE WHAT COUNTRY WE DO HAVE BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOT ANGRY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES THE CARDS.

OUTSTANDING, SIR. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ON CONSENT.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

AND THE ONE I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM IS THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA.

BUT WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT REMOVING ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

SECOND. WE DO HAVE CARDS FOR CONSENT THOUGH ALSO.

OKAY, SO FOR WHICH ONE? TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, IT'S FOR NUMBER FOUR.

YEAH. OKAY, SO WE'LL DO MY MOTION. APPROVING CONSENT.

REMOVE AN ITEM FOR SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. SO EVERYTHING EXCEPT ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS. NUMBER ONE. FOR ORDINANCE 2026-33, AN ORDINANCE, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING ALLOCATING FUNDS AS OUTLINED IN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A, CONSISTING OF TWO PAGES AND INCORPORATED IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN.

RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROVALS, SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CHAPTER 35 FINANCE. ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, MR. MORTON. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, I HAVE NOTHING TO PRESENT. WE DO HAVE STAFF TONIGHT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'M ASKING THE AUDIENCE.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE STEP FORWARD, FRONT AND CENTER.

MASTER CHIEF. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE TO BUILD A LITTLE SCENARIO FOR FOR THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

I LIVE IN THREE TWO 908, WHICH IS THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, RIGHT.

WE IN THREE TWO, 907, WHICH IS THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO SPEND POTENTIALLY EITHER 5.7 OR 6.9, DEPENDING ON WHICH CONTRACT MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD A BRIDGE IN THREE TWO, 907. WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO TAKE HALF THE MONEY FOR THAT OUT OF THREE TWO 908.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT FOR THIS TOPIC IN MY BUDGET ANALYSIS.

WELL, IF YOU'RE TAKEN FROM ONE FROM PETER TO PAY PAUL IN PAGE FOUR OF YOUR BREAKDOWN UNDER MALABAR ROAD, WIDENING SECTION, MALABAR ROAD AND THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS IN 32907.

YOU WANT TO TAKE HALF OF THE BILL TO PAY THAT OUT OF 32908, RIGHT.

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WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO ME? I JUST KNOW THAT WE GOT A $3.5 MILLION GRANT, AND PART OF THAT GRANT MEANS WE HAVE TO DO A MATCH IN ORDER TO RECEIVE IT FOR DEVELOPMENT IN 32908.

IF WE KEEP STEALING FUNDS FROM 32908, WHEN A POTENTIAL GREAT DEAL COMES DOWN TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WE ROBBED PETER TO PAY PAUL AND WE END UP CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.

STOP STEALING FROM 32908 TO PUT IT IN 329907 OR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY ZIP CODE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

PLEASE STOP DOING THAT. IT'S AGGRAVATING TO ME AND IT CAN END UP HURTING US IN THE LONG RUN.

RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NUMBER FIVE, MADAM SMITH, RESOLUTION 2026-13, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW RETAIL AUTOMOTIVE GAS FUEL SALES IN THE CC COMMUNITY.

COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING FOR PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO EMERSON DRIVE, NORTHWEST WEST OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

NORTHWEST AS LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE KIM REZANKO PHONE CALL WAS ASKED JUST TO ASK IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS. DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THE CONVERSATION ENDED.

OKAY. SAME MAYOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SAME MAYOR.

SAME DISCLOSURE. AND WHEN MRS. JEFFERSON'S DONE.

I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER. COUNCIL COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

YES, I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONVERSATION AT ALL.

WELL, I DON'T REMEMBER RECEIVING A PHONE CALL, SO I'M GOOD.

I DON'T REMEMBER SPEAKING ON THIS. OH, BUT CARRY ON.

SORRY, A TEXT MESSAGE, NOT A PHONE CALL. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A PHONE TOO, BUT I GOT A TEXT.

CARRY ON MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR A RETAIL AUTOMOTIVE FUEL SALES ESTABLISHMENT TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A CONCEPT PLAN YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN WITH STAFF REVISIONS OF CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS.

WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IS A OR 1618 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION, WHICH WILL BE PLACED ON THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE SUBJECT LOT, WHICH IS 11.73 ACRES.

STAFF EVALUATED THE REQUEST AND FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED FUEL STATION LOCATION IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE SPECIFIC SECTION OF OUR CODE, SECTION 174.041, WHICH STATES THAT NO MORE THAN TWO CORNER LOTS AT ANY ONE INTERSECTION SHALL BE USED FOR RETAIL, GASOLINE OR AUTOMOTIVE FUEL SALES.

AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE EXHIBIT ON THE POWERPOINT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY.

WELL, THERE'S ONE CURRENT EXISTING FUEL CELL STATION AND ONE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THERE ARE THREE CORNER LOTS. I APOLOGIZE, I DO NOT HAVE THE POINTER.

I THINK YOU GOT TO BACK IT UP AGAIN, SIR. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS THE INTERSECTION, THE MAP THAT WE HAVE, THAT EMERSON DRIVE NORTHWEST DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SUBJECT LOT IS A CORNER LOT.

THE ROAD THERE WILL BE BUILT AND WILL BE SIGNALIZED, WHICH IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CODE.

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ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. OKAY.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS. IS IT CONSIDERED THE CORNER BECAUSE IT'S NOT OR BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE PARCEL? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? IT IS ONE PARCEL AND IT'S A CORNER PARCEL.

IT'S A CORNER LOT. OKAY. SO IF THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CORNER.

CORRECT. IF THEY SPLIT THE PARCEL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY SPLIT IT.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THE RED BOX. IF THE RED BOX WAS SEPARATE FROM THE REST, WOULD THAT BE THE CORNER OR NO? I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THE REGULATION.

IF IF YOU DO A LITERAL INTERPRETATION, IT WOULDN'T BE.

OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION IS IF THE GROCERY STORE IS IS BIGGER THAN THE FUEL SITE, WOULDN'T IT BE A GROCERY STORE THAT SELLS FUEL AND NOT A FUEL PLACE. YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE ALL ONE USE? YES. IS THAT WHAT THIS IS OR NOT? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS A FUEL STATION.

THERE MAY BE OTHER COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS ON THE LOT AT A LATER TIME, BUT AT THIS TIME, THIS IS THE ONE LOT. SO RIGHT NOW, THE ONE LOT IS JUST A GAS STATION.

THAT'S IT. THE WHOLE 11 ACRES IS JUST A GAS STATION.

NO, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A SITE PLAN APPROVED FOR THIS.

AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT YELLOW PORTION IS ACTUALLY THEIR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.

BECAUSE OUR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A FULL SITE PLAN.

SO WE CAN'T HOLD THEM TO WHAT'S HERE BECAUSE IT'S A CONCEPT AND IT HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AS AN OFFICIAL SITE PLAN.

OKAY. SO IF THEY HAD THE GROCERY STORE ON IT INCLUDED IN IT, WOULD THAT CHANGE, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE LOT. IT'S A CORNER LOT.

YEP. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO. SO, MA'AM. AND LET ME JUST PEEL THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE POTENTIAL STORE? IS, IS IS THAT IS THAT THE BEST WAY I COULD PUT IT? THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THAT LITTLE SQUARE IS WHERE THE GAS STATION WILL BE.

RIGHT. BUT THE REAR TO THE WEST. IS THAT WHERE THE POTENTIAL STORE WOULD BE? THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO ANSWER THAT. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A AN APPLICATION CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS. ALL RIGHT.

SO FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE IN THAT PART. SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THAT CUP BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING ELSE.

YES I GOT YOU. I'M GUESSING THIS IS A SMALLER PART OF THEIR OVERALL INTENT TO DEVELOP THE SITE, BUT THIS IS A USE THAT REQUIRES CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. YEAH. JUST FOR CLARITY, ANY GAS STATION IN THE CITY REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE, WHETHER IT'S ON A CORNER OR NOT. CORRECT. YES.

THIS IS A USE THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE IT'S ALLOWED.

IT'S ONLY ALLOWED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN CERTAIN DISCUSSIONS.

THAT'S ON THE CORNER, NOT ON THE CORNER. BUT REGARDLESS, IT STILL REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

YES, MAYOR. THE ONLY THING, BECAUSE I KIND OF HEAR HOW THE CONVERSATION FORMULATING, I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS GOING TO WEIGH IN.

BUT IT HAS THE DISCUSSION AND THE VOTE HAS TO BE BASED OFF OF THE GAS STATION ALONE, NOT A FUTURE.

I GOT YOU. OKAY. JUST. YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO.

YES, SIR. SIZE UP THE WHOLE PICTURE. GOTCHA. OKAY.

COPY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO. IS THE APPLICANT GOING TO PRESENT THEIR CASE? WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR QUESTIONS TO END.

IT'S. IT'S IT'S JUST. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KIM REZANKO WITH LACEY REZANKO HERE ON BEHALF OF SCOTT PALM BAY HOLDINGS,

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HE'S THE ARCHITECT OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

THIS IS A AUTOMOBILE FUEL SERVICE STATION WITH AN ACCESSORY CONVENIENCE STORE.

THAT'S PER YOUR CODE. IT'S ABOUT 1600FT². THIS SMALL GAS STATION, FUEL STATION.

ALL FUEL STATIONS REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THE FUEL STATION IS A COMPONENT, A MANDATORY PART OF THAT 4500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE.

IF THIS CONDITIONAL USE IS NOT APPROVED, THAT GROCERY STORE DOES NOT COME TO PALM BAY.

IT IS THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER TO CREATE AN OUT PARCEL.

AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PUT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT WOULD THEN MAKE THIS NOT A CORNER LOT.

ALSO, EMERSON DRIVE IS NOT BUILT YET, SO IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT YET.

YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY TO THE 7-ELEVEN AND THAT IS ALL.

THIS WAS YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED WEST OF SAINT JOHN'S HARRIS PARKWAY.

THIS IS IN THE DEAD MIDDLE OF PALM VISTA. EVELYN'S PUD ON THE WEST SIDE.

I HAVE THAT PDP, IF YOU NEED IT TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, IF YOU'D LIKE A COPY OF THAT.

BUT THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL THAT WAS SORELY MISSING IN THE MAYOR'S OPINION WHEN THE PUD CAME IN 2022.

SO THIS IS BRINGING THE COMMERCIAL THAT HAS BEEN SOUGHT BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR MANY YEARS.

AND IT IS A LARGE IT'S A LARGE GROCERY STORE.

IT'S, IT'S A THIRD OF WHAT PALM VISTA'S EVELYN IS BRINGING TO TO THIS AREA.

THIS ENTIRE PARCEL IS 11.73. THIS SITE PLAN IS IN YOUR PACKAGE.

I JUST FIGURED IT WAS EASIER TO PUT IT IN A HANDOUT FOR YOU.

IT DOES SHOW THE ART PART OF THE OUT PARCEL. IT SHOWS THE RETAIL.

BUT AGAIN, THIS ONE ACRE CONVENIENCE STORE, IT'S A VERY SMALL CONVENIENCE STORE, IS AN ACCESSORY TO THE GROCERY STORE.

SO THAT WILL BE CUT OUT OF THIS PARCEL AND NO LONGER BE A CORNER LOT.

AND THAT COULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF YOU SO CHOSE.

IS THAT THAT PARCEL YOU'RE SAYING THAT OUT PARCEL WOULD THEN BE THE CORNER PARCEL.

SO. THE STAFF REPORT. SAYS THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT MEETS THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA OF THE CONDITIONAL USE ORDINANCE.

172.024 E. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE BUFFERING ISSUE ON PAGE FIVE OF THE STAFF REPORT.

IT SAYS THAT ADDITIONAL BUFFERING IS ACHIEVED THROUGH SETBACKS, INTERNAL SITE DESIGN, AND PLACEMENT OF OPERATIONAL ELEMENTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, AND AGAIN, IT IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO INTEND TO BUILD.

IT'S A ALMOST A PROTOTYPE OF THIS GROCER. SO WHEN YOU LOOK TO HOLD IT THIS WAY TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. YOU HAVE A THREE FOOT ON THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD.

YOU HAVE A 24 FOOT ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE ISLAND.

SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A 52 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE EDGE OF THE GAS STATION TO THE NORTH BORDER.

HOWEVER, THE PUD, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PALM VISTA EVOLENCE, I BELIEVE, IS GOING TO COME THROUGH LATE THIS YEAR, IF NOT EARLY NEXT YEAR. RIGHT NOW YOU DO HAVE THE PDP APPROVED, BUT NOT THE FINAL PUD.

SO MAN DID DID IN THE GAS STATION PART, RIGHT? YES, SIR. DID YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A SERVICE STATION TOO? NO, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE, OKAY. BECAUSE I MAY HAVE SAID THAT BECAUSE I USE THEM PART AND PARCEL.

BUT IT'S A FUEL STATION, OKAY? JUST FUEL. FUEL.

OKAY. JUST FUEL. AND IT'S NOT AUTO REPAIRS. NO, SIR, I APOLOGIZE IF I SAID THAT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. I PROBABLY SAID IT BECAUSE I DO CALL THEM INTERCHANGEABLY.

SO AND THEN ALSO THE STAFF REPORT DOES TALK ABOUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS OF 174.041 A THROUGH G.

THIS SITE ITSELF, WHERE THE, WHERE THE FUEL STATION IS, IS JUST A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE OF SITE.

AGAIN, IT IS GOING TO BE WITH THE GROCERY STORE.

IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BRANDING MECHANISMS. THIS IS NOT A CORNER LOT, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THAT NORTH CORNER AND IT'S GOING TO BE CUT OUT WITH THE GROCERY STORE AND LEAVE THE OUT PARCEL.

AND BECAUSE EMERSON DRIVE IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, SO IT IS NOT A CORNER LOT AS OF RIGHT NOW.

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OKAY. AND THE 45,000 SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE.

THAT'S A BIG GROCERY STORE. YES, SIR. THEY WON'T COME UNLESS THEY.

THEY HAVE THE CUP FOR GAS. YES, SIR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF THERE'S CONDITIONS YOU WANT TO PUT ON THIS TO MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR CODE.

PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY.

LEAVING IT UP TO YOU, OF COURSE, TO DECIDE. SO THIS IS ON ARTERIAL ROADWAY AND IT DOES HAVE THE FRONTAGE NECESSARY ON THE ARTERIAL ROADWAY PER YOUR CODE. THIS CUP ALSO MEETS CODE SECTION ONE, 74.042, WHICH IS YOUR FUEL STATIONS. YOUR STAFF REPORT SAYS THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL CONDITIONS OF ONE.

74.042. I DO WANT TO READ THE CONCLUSION OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND EVALUATED AGAINST THE CRITERIA BASED ON THIS VALUE. STAFF EVALUATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

SO ALTHOUGH YOUR STAFF HASN'T RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, IT SEEMS TO TACITLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND AGAIN, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE CUP AND APPROVE RESOLUTION 2020 613.

THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE THE ENGINEER HERE AND THE DEVELOPER IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS COMING UP. SORRY. AS YOU WERE.

DON'T PRESS IT NOW. OKAY. CARRY ON SIR. I DIDN'T PRESS IT.

SO SO YOU'RE YOU'RE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH SECTION 174.041 BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT.

CORRECT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND SHE'S SAYING THAT THEY COULD SEPARATE THE OUT PARCEL AND THAT'LL CLEAN IT UP.

I'M IMAGINING SHE IN HER OPINION. YES. AND IF THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE OUT PARCEL BE SEPARATED BEFORE SITE PLAN, WE CAN DO THAT OR AT ANY TIME. I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE HEARTBURN ON WHETHER IT'S THE CORNER OR NOT A CORNER.

IT'S THE CODE SECTION. YEAH. IT YOUR CODE SECTION STATES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO.

BUT YOU COULD ALSO. BUT ALSO I'LL LET THE CITY ATTORNEY RESPOND TO THAT.

NO DRIVEWAY, NO MORE THAN TWO CORNER LOTS AT ANY ONE INTERSECTION.

AT THIS POINT. IT'S NOT AN INTERSECTION YET BECAUSE IT'S A DRIVEWAY GOING TO THE WEST.

BUT IT'S A THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS YOU COULD APPROVE THIS, BECAUSE THE CODE IS SOMEWHAT AMBIGUOUS, AS WAS STATED BY MISS JEFFERSON AT THE PNC MEETING.

SO IT'S UP TO INTERPRETATION, BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S STILL A CONDITIONAL USE REGARDLESS, THE CORNER OR NO CORNER DRAW.

ALL GAS STATIONS ARE CONDITIONAL USE, SO. OKAY.

MADAM. THANK YOU. SO I DID CONFIRM WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR THAT THE TEMPORARY LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION IS PROPOSED TO GO IN NEXT MONTH. AND THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.

IS THAT THE MASS THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON? NO TEMPORARY OR TEMPORARY ONE.

OH THAT'S THE THE THE PERMANENT ONE WOULD BE IN.

I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETIME NEXT YEAR. THAT'S OKAY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TEMPORARY LIGHT AS IN MALABAR ROAD IN SAINT JOHN'S, SAME ONE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND YEAH. AND PLEASE, I YOU WEREN'T HERE BEFORE, KEVIN, BUT THAT CAUSED A LOT LARGER DELAYS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A TURN SIGNAL MOVING LEFT.

SO LET'S BE MINDFUL OF THAT. SO, MA'AM, WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH REMOVING THAT ART OUT PARCEL, IT WON'T BE WE COULD USE THAT AS A CONDITION.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? MY THOUGHTS ON THAT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID ACTUALLY THAT THE FUEL STATION IS AN ACCESSORY TO THE GROCERY STORE. I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. OKAY.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT CONDITIONS ON, ON THIS SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT.

IT IS A CORNER LOT. THE THE OPENING IS ALREADY THERE.

THE OKAY. AND AND THERE IS NO OUT PARCEL RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S A PROMISE. YOU COULD MAKE IT A CONDITION.

THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF CONDITIONS. IF THEY'RE CALLING IT AN ACCESSORY, USE TO THE GROCERY STORE.

YOU CAN MAKE A CONDITION THAT THEY'RE TREATED LIKE IT'S TREATED LIKE AN ACCESSORY.

USE. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE UP TO YOU. BUT YES, ALMOST EVERY CRITERIA WAS MET.

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RIGHT. AND THEN WHAT ELSE? YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER TREATING IT LIKE A TRUE ACCESSORY USE, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT. SO IT WOULD BE COMPARED TO HOW WE TREAT OTHER ACCESSORY USES ON TOP OF THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET COUNCIL IF THEY'RE GOING DOWN THAT PATH, WHAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? YES. AND SO MR. ZENKER DID INDICATE THAT STAFF HAD CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THOSE CONDITIONS WERE FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, THAT IT WOULD BE APPROVED WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.

COUNCILMAN HAMMER. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT THIS, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IS MAKE IT MAKE SURE THE FUEL STATION IS AN ACCESSORY TO, TO THE RETAIL. AND WE CAN DO THAT OUT PARCEL BECAUSE WHEN MY DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD WITH THEM, IF IT IS ATTACHED TO A GAS STATION, THEY'RE 100% FOR IT.

SO IF THAT'S 100% ATTACHED, SAY THAT IF IT'S AN ACCESSORY TO THE TO THE GROCERY STORE.

SO THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID THEIR CONCERNS.

AND SO THEY THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN, I'M RELAYING AND CONCERNS FROM CONSTITUENTS.

SO IF WE, I'M FINDING OUT IF WE CAN REMOVE THE OUT PARCEL AS A CONDITION AND WE CAN HAVE THE FUEL STATION AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE THE GROCERY STORE AS A CONDITION. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WANTING.

THEY CAN I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

ARE YOU ALSO ADDING THE CONDITION THAT YOU GET THAT SAME SIZE RETAIL 45,000? THEY SAID, YES, IT'S 45,000. YEP. AS ON THE AS ON THIS AS AS IT'S SHOWN.

YEAH. I'M ONLY MAKING THAT POINT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THEY CAN'T BE HELD TO ANYTHING TONIGHT. EXACTLY.

CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL UNLESS WE NOTATE IT.

OKAY. SO IN THAT CASE, FOR 45,002FT². THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR. I THINK IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD OPEN IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC. ALLOW THE APPLICANT A REBUTTAL AND THEN CLOSE IT AND THEN.

YEAH, WELL, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE.

WELL, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AHEAD OF THAT. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT PROCESS CAN CONTINUE. POINT OF ORDER.

SO I'LL TAKE THE POINT OF ORDER. BUT I WANTED TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.

YEAH. IT'S JUST WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE A RULING UNTIL WE HEAR ALL THE OKAY, ALL THE FACTS.

YOU WANT TO CALL THE NEXT SPEAKER? BILL BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY SPENT TWO YEARS, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS RELOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE GOT GUIDELINES ON WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND FROM THE GUIDELINES. WE THEN STARTED LOOKING AT OUR BUILDING CODES AND BUILDING ORDINANCES ON WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO BE GOVERNED UNDER.

AND PART OF THAT WAS THE FACT THAT WE'D HAVE TWO, NO MORE THAN TWO GAS STATIONS ON INTERSECTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT THE GUIDELINES WAS. SO WHY DID WE WASTE ALL OUR TIME AND ENERGY AND ALL THAT STUFF? IF ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW A DEVELOPER WHO'S COME IN WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING THAT THEY KNEW WHAT OUR GUIDELINES WERE? THEY'VE ASKED FOR ALL THIS MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT TO BE THERE.

THEY KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS COMING IN FOR, BUT NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE BUYING INTO.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE. SO THE NEGATIVE THE POSITIVE SIDE I SEE WITH THIS THOUGH, IS ONE MORE GAS STATION WHEN WE'RE HAVING AN EVACUATION. WE HAD SHORTFALLS ON TRYING TO GET GAS FOR THE PEOPLE LEAVING.

THIS WOULD BE ONE MORE TANK AVAILABLE FOR GAS.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT ON THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A STOP PARKING LOT.

BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FILL UP ON GAS WHILE YOU'RE WAITING IN LINE TO LEAVE.

OKAY. THIS ALSO CAME UP WHAT THEY SAID, WELL, THE ROAD ISN'T BUILT YET, SO IT'S NOT REALLY AN INTERSECTION YET.

WELL, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF EVERLAND IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS ROAD THERE.

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SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WHICH CAME FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGGS? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOT THERE'S NO ROAD THERE YET.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY AN INTERSECTION THAT'S GOING TO COME INTO PLAY.

COMING UP IN SOME OF MY OTHER NEXT PROJECTS, I MEAN, A PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS I WANT TO ADDRESS.

YOU'RE BUILDING THINGS AND SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO STUFF WITHOUT FOLLOWING YOUR CURRENT GUIDELINES.

SO BILL BATTEN BEING THE PERSON HE IS, SAY IT'S A CORNER LOT.

WE REQUEST THAT ONLY TWO TWO GAS STATIONS ON INTERSECTIONS AND STAY WITH WHAT OUR GUIDELINES ALREADY SAY.

BUT LIKE I SAY, IT WOULD GIVE YOU ONE MORE TANK OF GAS FOR THE PEOPLE LEAVING THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. THANKS. NEXT SPEAKER. DOCTOR. ALAN MILES.

DOCTOR ALAN MILES, 350 GARVEY ROAD, SOUTHWEST.

NUMBER ONE, THAT IS A ROAD CURRENTLY. IT'S GOT CURBS ON IT.

IT'S BLACKTOP. IT'S A ROAD. IT'S NOT AN ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN ENTER IT AND GO TO THE 7-ELEVEN. BUT IT'S PHYSICALLY A ROAD.

YOU CAN ASK CHRISTINE SULLIVAN ABOUT IT. SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THE HARD LIGHTS UP THERE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THREE LANES EACH WAY, SIX LANES.

YOU'RE GOING TO NEED ONE TURNING LEFT INTO THE GAS STATIONS.

AND THAT 4000 HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT, YOU'LL NEED ONE TO GO RIGHT DOWN EMERSON GOING EASTBOUND.

AND YOU'LL NEED ONE TO GO STRAIGHT. SO THAT'S SIX LANES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND HAVE FLOOD CONTROL THERE, WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE WATER DIVERTING INTO PONDS AND STUFF.

THAT IS A CORNER LOT. YOU CAN'T TAKE A LITTLE PIECE OF IT AND THROW IT AWAY, AT LEAST NOT IN MY OPINION.

SO THERE'S ALREADY TWO FUEL STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES PLANNED ONE MILE EAST AT GLEN COVE AVENUE.

THAT'S ONE MILE GOING EAST. YOU GOT TWO MORE GOING IN THERE AND THERE'S ALREADY THE CIRCLE K, AND THERE'S ALREADY THE 7-ELEVEN ON THE OPPOSITE CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION.

FOUR IS ENOUGH FOR THAT AREA IF IT IS PASSED.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PROVISION PUT IN FOR SIX HIGH SPEED EV CHARGING STATIONS.

WE KEEP BUILDING THESE GAS STATIONS AND WE HAVE NO EV.

AND EVENTUALLY, IF SAINT JOHNS WRAPS AROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS MUCH AS 10% TRYING TO MAKE, TRYING TO MANAGE, AND YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO CHARGE THEM ANYWHERE.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT.

AND THEN IF YOU GUYS REALLY WANT TO SAVE SOME MONEY, YOU COULD TURN THE THERMOSTATS UP TO 75 INSTEAD OF 65.

BECAUSE MAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME. YOU GUYS WEAR JACKETS, BUT WE'RE FREEZING.

THANK YOU. MR.. NEXT SPEAKER.

I AGREE, IT'S COLD. I HAD MY MOM GO GET ME A JACKET.

IT'S TOO COLD. SO THEY SAID THAT IT WAS IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT BECAUSE THAT ROAD ISN'T BUILT YET, BUT THEY PLAN ON IT BEING BUILT. IF YOU LOOK LIKE IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT DOES HAVE ENTRANCES FOR IT TO GO INWARDS SO PEOPLE CAN GET IN THROUGH THAT WAY.

SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SAYING, OH, WELL, IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT YET, SO WE SHOULD GET APPROVED FOR IT. THEY'RE PLANNING ON IT BEING THAT CORNER LOT.

I'M SURE THE GAS STATION, THE NOT THE GROCERY STORE CHOSE THAT PLACE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO HAVE THESE DUAL ENTRANCES, MAKING IT EASIER FOR CUSTOMERS TO GET IN. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE NOT BEING FULLY HONEST ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT, WHICH I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SHADY BUSINESSES DEALS IN THE PAST.

I HEAR YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. OH, WELL, WE WEREN'T HERE FOR THAT. WE WEREN'T HERE FOR THIS. SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO. THEY'RE NOT BEING STRAIGHT UP ABOUT WHAT THEY SEEM TO WANT.

WHY SHOULD WE AGREE TO WORK WITH THEM WHEN THEY CAN'T BE HONEST WITH THE CITY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, THAT CONCLUDES THE CARDS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M SORRY I BURIED IT. I'M SORRY.

NICK. MR. STEVE, COME ON UP. THEY WERE COMING IN.

THEY WERE TRICKLING IN AFTERWARDS. OH. ANY OTHER TRICKLING IN? JUST. JUST THE APPLICANTS. OKAY. NICK SNEAD 1775.

CALLER. I APOLOGIZE, I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR THIS ONE.

SO I'M FIRING OFF THE CUFF BASED ON SOME NOTES I HAD.

SO FIRST THING I KNOW, YOU GUYS LISTEN TO CITIZENS AND THE CITIZENS WILL ALWAYS TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT.

HERE IS A VARIETY OF STUFF, RIGHT? LIKE THE CONSTANT JOKE IS DON'T GIVE US ANY MORE DOLLAR GENERALS, CAR WASHES, STORAGE FACILITIES, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT MORE OF THE SAME.

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THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE HUNGRY FOR BUSINESS TAX MONEY, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S GOOD REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE AFTER. IT'S SOMETHING THE RESIDENTS WANT. WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY. BUT DO NOT LET SOMEBODY BULLY YOU BY.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR TOYS AND GO HOME IF WE DON'T GET WHAT WE WANT.

THAT IS A RIDICULOUS NOTION. IF YOU CAN'T COOPERATE AND SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY.

IT'S STILL COMMERCIAL SPACE. SOMEBODY ELSE WILL BUILD THERE, RIGHT? THEY'LL SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. RIGHT.

AND I ALSO DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THIS IDEA THAT THAT'S AN OUT PARCEL.

JUST LIKE SEVERAL OF THE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE COME UP HERE BECAUSE, IS THAT GAS STATION GOING TO BE RUN BY A COMPLETELY SEPARATE COMMERCIAL ENTITY? NO, IT'S OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT OWN AND OPERATE THE GAS STATION.

ALL THEY DID WAS CARVE OUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, SO THAT THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON A CORNER LOT.

WHILE THEY COULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT.

RIGHT. SO I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT, I BELIEVE AS SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT OTHER GAS STATIONS THAT ARE GOING UP IN THE AREA, WE ALSO HAVE NOT JUST A MILE DOWN FROM THERE AT MALABAR, THERE'S I THINK THERE'S A WAWA THAT'S IN CONTENTION DOWN THERE.

SO WE GOT OTHER GAS STATIONS COMING DOWN THE OTHER WAY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE PLENTY OF GAS STATIONS OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO BE HOLDING OURSELVES REALLY TIGHTLY TO MAKING SURE WE GET THIS PARTICULAR GAS STATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. THAT'S IT.

MAYOR. OKAY. MA'AM, YOU WANT YOUR REBUTTAL TIME? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

THIS WAS NOT AN INTENT TO BULLY YOU. I'VE BEEN CALLED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT BULLY IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

IT'S A FACT. THIS GROCER THE CLIENT IS UNDER A NDA.

CAN'T DISCLOSE WHAT IT IS, BUT THEY WON'T COME.

AND YES, IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS, SOMEONE ELSE WILL LIKELY COME.

THIS IS AN ACCESSORY THAT OUT PARCEL WILL BE SOLD OFF.

THE GROCER IS NOT GOING TO USE IT. THE GROCER IS GOING TO BE OPERATING THE FUEL STATION.

SO AGAIN, I JUST AGAIN, I KIND OF SHOT FROM THE HIP WITH THAT.

THAT DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY IS A DRIVEWAY. YES. IT'S GOING TO BE A ROAD AND YES.

OR ACCESS. SO I WASN'T TRYING TO BE DISINGENUOUS, BUT MISS JEFFERSON SAID IT'S NOT BUILT YET.

SO I USED THAT AS AS ANOTHER AVENUE TO GET TO THIS IS NOT A CORNER LOT.

BUT AGAIN WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AND ADD THE CONDITIONS OF CREATING AN OUT PARCEL AND CREATING AND TYING IT TO THE BUILDING OF A GROCERY STORE. WE DON'T WANT IT TIED TO 45,002, BUT THAT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE TIED TO, AND IT WOULD ALL BE SITE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME. WELL, MA'AM I, I GUESS I WAS MASSAGING THIS BECAUSE WHAT REALLY ENCOURAGED ME WAS THE 45,002FT² OF, OF COMMERCIAL, BUT RIGHT ALONG THERE'S 12,500FT² ON THE SIDE AS WELL. YES, SIR. SO THAT THAT'S WHAT'S ENCOURAGING ME FOR THESE CONDITIONS. AND I DON'T TAKE IT AS BULLYING.

JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR COMMERCIAL BASE.

THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ALONG WITH THAT. IF THIS CONDITIONAL USE IS GRANTED I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE 45,002FT² BUILT BEFORE WE DO THE GAS STATION, OR AT LEAST SIMULTANEOUSLY. I DON'T REPRESENT THE CONTRACT.

I DON'T REPRESENT THE PURCHASER, THE GROCER. I ONLY REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER.

WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS OR THEIR TIME FRAME IS.

OKAY. I THINK YOUR CITY MANAGER DOES, BUT WE'VE ASKED HIM NOT TO DISCLOSE ALSO.

OH, WE CAN'T PUBLICLY DISCLOSE. I CAN'T PUBLICLY DISCLOSE IT, BUT I AT LEAST I WAS FORTHCOMING, MA'AM, I'M I'M ENCOURAGED ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

YES. AND THEN YOU GOT 12,000 ADDITIONAL 500FT².

SO WE COULD MAKE THAT AS PART OF THE CONDITION.

ALL RIGHT. IF WE COULD DO PLUS OR MINUS, JUST JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WROTE.

I'M NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THE TWO SQUARE FEET, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. WHAT WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY BASED OFF OF STAFF'S STAFF'S STATEMENT THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT AND NON-COMPLIANT WITH SECTION 174.041.

OKAY. I GOT A MOTION TO DENY. I'LL I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.

GO AHEAD. I APPRECIATE YOU SECONDING FOR DISCUSSION.

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THREE. WE HEARD FROM OUR STAFF. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE THREE.

WE UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S ONE A MILE AWAY AS WELL.

I DON'T WE'RE IN PALM BAY. DO YOU SEE THREE CORNER? LOTS OF GAS STATIONS. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T SEE THEM ANYWHERE IN PALM BAY.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I THINK IT WAS THE ARBY'S ON PALM BAY ROAD.

IT USED TO BE A GAS STATION, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT CLEARLY IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GAS STATION ANYMORE.

BUT THAT WAS BEFORE RACETRAC. YEAH. YEAH. SO MY POINT IS IT HASN'T WORKED OR IT ISN'T WORKING IN ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY.

I DON'T SEE IT WORKING HERE, WHICH IS WHY WE UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND I FEEL WE SHOULD STICK WITH THAT. IT'S NOT THAT THIS ISN'T ALREADY COMMERCIAL.

IT ALREADY IS COMMERCIAL. SO SOMETHING OR SOMEONE WILL GO THERE.

BUT BASED OFF STAFF'S PROPOSAL AND WHAT THEY SHARE WITH US AND SEEING THE LANDSCAPE OF OUR CITY ALREADY, WE DON'T HAVE IT ANYWHERE ELSE ON MALABAR. WE HAVE CUMBERLAND FARMS AND 7-ELEVEN ACROSS FROM ONE ANOTHER.

WE ALSO HAVE CUMBERLAND FARMS AND WAWA ACROSS FROM ONE ANOTHER.

AND WE WE DENIED ON MALABAR AND BABCOCK, A 7-ELEVEN FROM BEING ACROSS THE STREET FROM RACETRAC.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

LET'S HOLD TIGHT. LET'S SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES. BUT I, I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.

MAYOR. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ENTERTAINING A SECOND SO I CAN AT LEAST SPEAK MY PIECE AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. SO RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION TO DENY AND A SECOND.

SO I'M GOING TO CALL ROLL CALL MA'AM. OH, OKAY.

GO AHEAD. I DIDN'T SEE YOU. YEAH. I WANT TO POINT OUT IF YOU KNOW, IT IS TWO DIFFERENT CITIES, BUT WE HAVE SIX GAS STATIONS AT THE CORNER OR.

I'M SORRY, FIVE NOW AT THE CORNER OF PALM BAY ROAD IN HOLLYWOOD, WE HAVE RACETRAC, WE HAVE 7-ELEVEN, WE HAVE WAWA, WE HAVE THE GAS STATION NEXT TO DUNKIN DONUTS, AND WE HAVE THE GAS STATION INSIDE OF THE WALMART THAT'S NEXT TO CHICK FIL A.

I KNOW IT'S TWO DIFFERENT CITIES AND I KNOW IT'S IT'S IT'S A BUT WE DO HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE WORKING WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE PARCEL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT, HOW IT SITS RIGHT NOW, I AM GOING TO BE IN DENIAL FOR HOW IT SITS RIGHT NOW.

I AM IN SUPPORT FOR, FOR SEPARATING IT. I THINK THE NECESSITY FOR A GROCERY STORE OUT THERE IS VERY VALID AND IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IT'S NOT EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE APPROVED, THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE NEEDING SOMEWHERE TO GO SOON.

IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. BUT YEAH, SO I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT I, I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE 4500 ZERO SQUARE FEET GUYS. I'M BEING TRANSPARENT, BUT YOU, YOU ACTUALLY YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ME OUT OF IT. BECAUSE MAYBE WE STAND FAST AND SEE WHAT ELSE COMES.

NOT THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT THAT TYPE OF SUPPORT.

BUT SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I, I, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE REMEMBER, I WAS FIGHTING FOR THAT, THAT COMMERCIAL. AND, AND IT WAS YOU THAT SWITCHED YOUR VOTE.

IT WAS YOU THAT SWITCHED YOUR VOTE THAT, THAT HAS BROUGHT THIS OPPORTUNITY.

YES, SIR. PART OF THAT. SO I'M JUST AT A POINT WHERE I WOULD WANT THAT, BUT AM I BEING IMPATIENT? IS, IS THE QUESTION NOW. SO I THINK YOU WON ME OVER.

NOT TO SAY THAT BUT RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ROLL CALL, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. AYE COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

AYE COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN, NAY. DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE NAY.

MAYOR MEDINA. I'M GOING TO GO WITH I I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO BE PATIENT.

I'M GOING TO GO. ALRIGHT. SO. THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER.

SEVEN. WE WENT THROUGH SIX ALREADY. WE NEED TO OPEN A SIX AND TABLE IT.

PLEASE. OH, AS YOU WERE, MADAM SMITH. YOU DON'T NEED TO READ.

IT. WE'RE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER SIX. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE HER TO READ THE CAPTION.

YOU JUST NEED A MOTION TO TABLE. SO IT'S A DATE CERTAIN.

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NUMBER SIX TILL TEN. ONE SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. ORDINANCE 2026-31, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 17, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

CHAPTER 172 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCEDURES. SUBCHAPTER PART SIX SUBDIVISION APPLICATION AND APPROVAL PROCESS BY CONFORMING WITH AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 177 FLORIDA STATUTES CONCERNING EXPEDITED APPROVAL OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMITS PRIOR TO RECORDATION OF THE FINAL PLAT.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND MR. MORTON'S ALREADY ASSIGNED ALTHEA. OKAY. JEFFERSON.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS INITIATED TO COMPLY WITH FLORIDA STATUTES.

IF YOU RECALL, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE'S BEEN TWO MAJOR CHANGES.

ONE BEING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO ALLOW A DEVELOPER TO BUILD UP TO 50% OF THEIR SUBDIVISION.

SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN PLATTED. AND THE WAY THAT IT GOES NOW, BECAUSE IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WE WERE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE ADDRESSING AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE RECORDING OF THE FINAL PLAT. THIS HELPS TO CLEAN EVERYTHING UP.

I THINK IT'LL MAKE OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS LIFE A LOT EASIER, BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETELY IN COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA LAW NOW, WHERE WE CAN ISSUE AN ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A FINAL RECORDED PLAT AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THIS.

SO THIS IS JUST A CLEAN UP. COPY THAT MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SEEING NONE. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? PLEASE STEP FORWARD, MASTER CHIEF. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I KNOW THIS IS A STATE MANDATE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR BOOKS STRAIGHTENED OUT. BUT IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS YOUR GOVERNMENT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WHAT'S UPSETTING THEM? SO I'M HERE TO UPSET THEM. OKAY. THIS IS THIS WILL HAVE THIS HAS A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY. IT DOES HAVE A BENEFITTING EFFECT FOR DEVELOPERS.

ME BEING THE ANTI-DEVELOPMENT PERSON THAT I AM.

I'M NOT HAPPY WITH IT. AND THAT'S GOING TO PUT ME RIGHT BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING.

NUMBER FIVE, WHERE NOW YOU CAN HAVE 50% OF IT BUILT OUT WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT THE FINAL PLAN IS GOING TO BE.

HOW DO YOU DO ANYTHING WITH WITHOUT KNOWING 50% OF WHAT'S COMING? YOU MIGHT HAVE YOUR IDEAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IF YOU GET TO BUILD 50% OF IT WITHOUT HAVING A GUIDELINE THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE GUIDELINE? RIGHT. SO LIKE I SAY, THIS IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE DEVELOPERS.

IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE POPULATION BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY FAIL TO BUILD IT OUT? THE HOMES ARE STILL THERE. ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE.

ALL THAT STUFF IS THERE, BUT THEY HAVE TO PUT UP A BOND OF 130% TO TEAR IT OUT.

THAT'S WHAT THE. THAT'S WHAT THEIR BONDS FOR. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT'S GOING TO TIE UP SITTING IN BONDS. HOPEFULLY WE GET THE INTEREST FROM THAT BOND MONEY WHILE IT TAKES THEM 20 YEARS TO DO A PROJECT.

BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BOND UP FRONT TO, TO, TO TAKE OUT WHAT THEY BUILT. IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE PROJECT, YOU CAN NEVER PUT THE NATURE BACK THE WAY IT WAS WHEN YOU TORE IT ALL UP AND STARTED THE DEVELOPMENT. IT WON'T BE THAT IT'LL BE A BARREN WASTELAND BECAUSE YOU TORE IT OUT, RIGHT? LIKE I SAY, DETRIMENTAL TO QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

BENEFICIAL TO DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM?

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LIKE WHAT PROBLEM IS THIS CURRENTLY SOLVING OTHER THAN JUST US UPDATING BASED OFF OF FLORIDA STATUTES? THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IF YOU GO ALL THROUGHOUT PALM BAY, EVEN ON MY STREET, THERE'S BEEN A PROPERTY, A HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S BEEN PARTIALLY HALFWAY BUILT FOR NOT EVEN HALFWAY BUILT, BUT PARTIALLY BUILT FOR PROBABLY ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS NOW.

SO, AND I'M SURE WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT CASE AS WELL.

SO HOW DOES THIS SOLVE IT VERSUS ADD MORE LENIENCY TO HAVE MORE OF THAT? OR AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE SOLVING? AND MAYBE I CAN GET THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO ASSIST ON THIS.

WAS THAT TECHNICALLY THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN NOW, WE WERE IN VIOLATION OF FLORIDA STATUTES.

HE HAS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR 50% OF THE PRELIMINARY PLATTED LOTS.

WE I THINK ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN FLORIDA ARE PIVOTING TO MAKE THIS WORK.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BREVARD COUNTY FOR ADDRESSING PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.

I MEAN, WE, EVERYONE HAS HAD TO CHANGE THEIR PROCESSES.

THE BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN'T GIVE A BUILDING PERMIT UNLESS IT HAS AN ADDRESS.

AND ADDRESSES AREN'T USUALLY ASSIGNED UNTIL THE END OF THE PROCESS.

SO EVERYONE'S BEEN PIVOTING TO MAKE THIS WORK, BUT WE HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TO THAT POINT, WE DO MAKE SURE.

I JUST WANT TO ADD, THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS FIRE ACCESS.

THE ADDRESSES ARE ASSIGNED SO THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY FIRE AND POLICE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

WE HAVE OTHER PROVISIONS FOR WHAT WE CALL THE MODEL HOMES, PRAIRIE HOMES THAT THEY INITIALLY PUT IN.

WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SAFETY MEASURES. PARKING ADA.

OKAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC HEARING, AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION? SECOND. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEY.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER NINE.

PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON NUMBER NINE. ORDINANCE 2026-39, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 17, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

CHAPTER 172 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCEDURES BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR VARIANCES PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND MR. MORTON OR MISS ALTHEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. SO STAFF ATTEMPTED TO HELP ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT SOME OF THE VARIANCES THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING TO COME THROUGH FOR EITHER DECKS, LIKE THE ONE WE SAW TONIGHT POOL ENCLOSURES, ETC.. AND SO WE PROPOSED A VARIANCE PROCESS THAT WOULD BE CALLED A BOARD VARIANCE, WHICH WOULD TRANSFER A PORTION OF YOUR VARIANCE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, WHEREBY THEY WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON A VARIANCE, APPROVAL OR DENIAL AT A 33% RELIEF OR LOWER. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE ALSO BRINGING UP THE STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE.

VARIANCE APPROVAL FROM 10 TO 20% FOR ANY APPLICABLE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT.

SO ANYTHING ABOVE 20.5% WILL GO TO OUR, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD UP TO 33%.

ANYTHING ABOVE THAT WOULD COME TO YOU FOR FINAL APPROVAL AS WE HAD DISCUSSION WITH OUR BOARD.

IT OCCURRED TO ME FROM THEIR DISCUSSION THAT PERHAPS WE WEREN'T COMPLETELY ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM.

I THINK YOUR CONCERNS WERE MOSTLY WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND THEIR ISSUES.

SO THE ONE LIKE TONIGHT WAS OVER 50%, THE ONE WE HAD ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

SAME THING. SO I'M PROPOSING OR STAFF IS PROPOSING TONIGHT THAT WE THAT YOU GIVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FINAL

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COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS.

I DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF AND NOTHING AGAINST THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

I'VE WATCHED MEETINGS. I'VE SEEN HOW SOME OF THEM HAVE GONE, BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN HOW THEY'VE ALSO MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE WAY.

AND WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ANOTHER WAY.

SO AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS EITHER GROWTH MANAGEMENT OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MANDATED TRAINING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO ACT AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY WHEN WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.

SO WITH THAT, SAY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WERE TO DENY AN APPLICATION.

IS THERE A PROCESS FOR THEM TO REBUT IT AND THEN BRING IT TO COUNCIL OR DO YOU GET WHAT I'M ASKING? YES. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO IN THIS CASE, THE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT WE'VE PUT IN THIS ORDINANCE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IS THAT FOR ANY APPEALS TO THOSE FINAL DECISIONS BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WOULD BE APPEALED TO YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL. THE APPEAL COMES THIS WAY? YES.

AND THAT HOLDS TRUE WITH ANYTHING THAT'S APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY CITY MANAGER OR ME, HIS DESIGNEE.

THOSE APPEALS COME TO YOU. THE OTHER CORRECTION THAT WE'RE MAKING IN THIS IS CURRENTLY, THE CODE STATES THAT WHEN WE WHEN THE CITY MANAGER APPROVES OR DENIES AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE THAT HE THEN NOTIFIES THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS.

THAT IS NOT THE PROCESS. IT'S NOT A STANDARD PROCESS IN MOST CITIES.

SO THAT IS BEING REMOVED JUST TO FOR FULL DISCLOSURE.

THANK YOU. AND LAST QUESTION, IS THERE A COST FOR THEM TO APPEAL TO BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL OR CAN THEY JUST PUT IN A.

HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PRICE, BUT THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY DOES HAVE AN APPEAL.

FEE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. OKAY. WHAT WE COULD WHAT STAFF COULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE APPEAL FEE FOR. THESE TYPES OF VARIANCES AND AND ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT BE LESS THAN THE NORMAL APPEAL FEE OR.

SO THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE POINT WAS, AS YOU SAW, LIKE TODAY AND PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE TRY TO MOVE THOSE ITEMS UP FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE JUST COMING FOR A POOL OR TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER.

AND THEN WE HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT'S A MONTH, SOMETIMES MORE IN BETWEEN THAT THIS RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO THE PLAN OR THE INTENTION WAS TO STREAMLINE IT AND MAKE IT EASIER.

BUT THEN IF HYPOTHETICALLY, IF SOMETHING IS DENIED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO APPEAL, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE APPEAL, THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO WAIT ON THIS TO GET BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.

NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT, BUT NOW THEY HAVE TO PAY MORE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MAKE IT FREE OR OR CHEAP, BUT EITHER WAY, I CAN WE CAN WE PIECEMEAL THIS YOU THIS IS ALREADY DONE. AND THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AT THE FEE SCHEDULE OR IF YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT.

MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN IN MOTION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHAT'S THE RARITY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN APPEAL WHEN YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTENT ALREADY, RIGHT? SO THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

INSTEAD OF THROWING A KINK IN THE WORKS, LET'S, LET'S SEE HOW WE COULD MAYBE BY THE SECOND READING OR.

OKAY, BUT OKAY, JUST THAT DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO, WE, WE PASSED THE PREVIOUS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE KNOWING THAT WE WOULD DO SOME CLEANUP. THE CLEANUPS NEVER CAME TO US. SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PASS SOMETHING NEW, LIKE LET'S GET THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WANT RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.

SO. WELL, IF WE PASS THE FIRST READING, THERE'LL BE A SECOND READING, CORRECT? YES, MAYOR. AND, AND WE CAN BRING THE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT, MAYBE EVEN PRESENT YOU WITH A PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE BOARD VARIANCE APPEALS VERSUS OTHER APPEALS.

OKAY. LET ME. THE CITY ATTORNEY IS WEIGHING IN, SO I, I WHENEVER SHE WHENEVER SHE BUZZES IN, SHE SHE GETS PRIORITY. CARRY ON MAN. IF COUNCIL WANTS A REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE,

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THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BECAUSE IF YOU REVISE THE ORDINANCE AT THE SECOND READING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CREATING A NEW RIGHT.

OKAY. SO IF IT'S JUST THAT YOU WANT TO PASS THIS THROUGH AND DEAL WITH THE FEE RESOLUTION SEPARATELY, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, YOU SHOULD DO THAT NOW, OR AT LEAST WAIT UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL READING. ALL RIGHT.

CITY MANAGER'S TRYING TO WEIGH IN. POINT OF REFERENCE.

CURRENT APPEAL FEE, $650. SO IF YOU WANTED TO AUGMENT THAT, YOU HAVE A POINT OF REFERENCE, $650 FOR AN APPEAL. CORRECT. SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? OH, OKAY. SO MY THOUGHTS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, I, AS A RESIDENT, I KNOW Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BLINDSIDE YOU, BUT I AS A RESIDENT, I'D RATHER WAIT A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS THAN HAVING TO APPEAL.

AND IT'S STILL, YEAH, I, YEAH, I, I, SO YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE FEE.

I'M, I'M, I'M LOST HERE. EITHER MAKE THE FEE ZERO OR JUST SCRAP IT OR ON THIS OR TABLE THIS.

AND WE TRY TO. YEAH I JUST 650 IS A LOT FOR TABLE.

WE WE, WE REFUNDED THE ONE LADY, THE ELDERLY WOMAN THAT WAS OVER 500.

SO I GOT DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE WEIGHING IN AND THEN COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

SO ACTUALLY THAT WAS FROM EARLIER. YOU JUST THINK CLEAR. BUT I HAD I HAD SOME IS THIS STRICTLY PERIOD AT THE END ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR ALL OTHER USES. RIGHT. SO YOU GET VARIANCES FOR COMMERCIAL.

YOU'LL BE SEEING ONE SOON FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIGN.

YOU MIGHT RECALL WE HAD ONE SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE THEY'RE ONLY PERMITTED TO HAVE SIGNS ALONG THEIR ROAD FRONTAGE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR SIGNAGE ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDES.

YOU HAD ONE LIKE THAT. ANOTHER ONE'S COMING SOON.

SO YOU DO GET VARIANCES OR WAIVERS FOR OTHER USES.

SO THE 33% RELIEF THRESHOLD WOULD BE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY.

ALTERNATIVELY, IF WE'RE JUST SEEKING TO ADDRESS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

WE COULD REMOVE THE 33%. IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND JUST KEEP THE ONE ACRE LOTS OR SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES UP TO ANY AMOUNT OF RELIEF. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES.

IS THERE A WAY TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS? YOU KNOW, FOR HOMEOWNERS, WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF POOLS, YOU KNOW, POOL DECK EXTENSIONS, SCREEN CAGE EXTENSIONS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME EFFICIENCY RELATED TO THAT.

I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ANY COMMERCIAL LANGUAGE FROM, FROM THIS FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE STAFF'S APPROVAL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, ALLOW PNC TO, TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON IT GETS DENIED. I THINK THEY SHOULD PAY THE MONEY TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY FOR STAFF TO REVIEW IT.

YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY DOES DOES THEIR OWN APPROVALS FOR NOT EVEN THROUGH PNC.

THEY HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER BOARD THAT DOES VARIANCE APPROVALS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ANY COMMERCIAL LANGUAGE, INCREASE STAFF'S ABILITY TO DO ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, PNC AND THEN AFTER THAT, US.

DO YOU WANT TO TABLE AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH THOSE CONDITIONS OR.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A. MADAM ATTORNEY, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? OH, HAMMER. HAMMER. BUT ATTORNEY WAS BEFORE YOU.

DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN OR WAS THAT AN OLD ONE? THAT WAS AN OLD. IT WAS JUST A DRESS. BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE DOING YOUR.

THE FEE RESOLUTION NEXT WEEK. SO IF YOU ALL WANTED TO SET A FEE SPECIFIC TO THESE APPEALS, YOU COULD ACTUALLY INCLUDE IT. BUT IF YOU'RE TABLING IT, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT OUT SEPARATELY. BUT YEAH, THAT WAS EARLIER.

THANK YOU MA'AM. COUNCILMAN HAMMER. AS SOON AS I READ THIS, I THOUGHT OF THE LADY SITTING IN HERE THAT GOT DENIED ALL THE WAY UP FOR HER SCREEN.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND. AND THEN THE SECOND THING CAME.

THE SIGNS FOR THE BUSINESS DENIED ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL IT GOT HERE.

I AM IN I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I THINK I THINK WE'RE UP HERE FOR A REASON.

I THINK WE, WE, WE WERE VOTED IN TO BE THE HEART OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE.

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I WOULD BE OKAY WITH A FEE. SHOULD THEY GET APPROVED? THE FEE DOESN'T EXIST IF IT GETS APPROVED AT US, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING I, I SUGGEST WE TABLE IT.

THEY TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GOT FROM US TONIGHT AND BRING IT BACK NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE JUST SAID, RIGHT, IF THEY DO COME INTO THE APPEALS LIKE THAT YOUNG LADY, EVERYBODY. EVERYONE REMEMBERS THE WOMAN, RIGHT? WE WE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY REFUND BACK THE APPEAL MONEY AT THAT POINT.

RIGHT? CERTAINLY. WELL, BECAUSE WE DID THAT BEFORE WE WE DONE IT FOR AN APPLICATION FEE.

YEAH. OH. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE WE WOULD HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AT THAT POINT.

YES. SO OKAY, SO I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE. I JUST NEED A LITTLE CLARITY FROM COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

DOES DOES HE. HE SAYS HE'S NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.

DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASING STAFF'S ABILITY TO APPROVE A VARIANCE? I'M IN FAVOR OF THEM TAKING THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE GOT FROM US TONIGHT AND BRINGING IT BACK.

OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I NEED I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE.

MEGAN. I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. ALLOW STAFF CITY MANAGER TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DATE CERTAIN SAY AGAIN.

OKAY, SO DATE CERTAIN, MR. MORTON. DATE CERTAIN.

WHAT IS WHAT IS FAIR? OCTOBER 2ND 17TH. I WOULD SAY THE SECOND READING IN OCTOBER.

OKAY. SO THAT WE CAN AND AND MAY I CONFIRM WHAT I HEARD? OCTOBER 5TH VOTE ON THE FLOOR. I HEARD THAT YOU'RE FINE WITH INCREASING THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF APPROVAL UP TO 20%. THE 33% RELIEF. YOU DO NOT WANT TO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT OUT.

AND WE ARE NOT GIVING THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. OH, JUST YOUR TABLING. YEAH, WE'RE TABLING IT ALTOGETHER.

YEAH. YES, MA'AM. WE'RE TABLING TABLING THE ANY P AND THE AUTHORITY FINAL AUTHORITY IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING.

NO, WE'RE TABLING THIS WITH A DATE CERTAIN, RIGHT? SHE'S LOOKING FOR CLARITY IN WHAT SHE'S GOING TO BRING BACK TO US.

YEAH. SO CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED IF WE DON'T STATE THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING, THEN THE NEXT TIME WE BRING THIS BACK, IF WE START PULLING TOGETHER SOMETHING NEW, IT'S JUST A NEW ORDINANCE.

SO WE EITHER WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION OR DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO CHANGE TONIGHT.

SO DO WE WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ANY AUTHORITY TO APPROVE? AND IF THEY DENY, WHAT ARE THOSE NEXT STEPS LOOK LIKE? I'LL RATHER GIVE IT TO STAFF THAN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IF WE CAN.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S WORDED, STAFF HAS UP TO 20% APPROVAL, WHICH IS ABOUT 90% OF WHAT WE VOTE ON.

YEAH, REALLY. I MEAN, IT REALLY IS. AND THEN THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED IF IT'S UP TO 33% RELIEF, THEN P AND Z HAS HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT.

AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, IT WOULD IT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE THAT.

ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL. AGREED. ALSO. YES. IT'S ONLY OKAY.

OKAY, SO IT'S TABLED. YOU GOT ENOUGH DIRECTION? YES. I GOT A MOTION TO TABLE BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE AND COUNCILMAN HAMER.

SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I AND THE.

IT WAS 1015. WAS IT PUBLIC HEARING. AND YOU PROPOSED IT FOR A VOTE BEFORE THE PUBLIC GOT TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC GOT TO ADDRESS. THERE'S NO CARDS. WE DIDN'T CALL ANYBODY UP.

WELL, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T NEED WE TABLED IT. THAT IS CORRECT.

THE VOTE TO TABLE ON AN ITEM. ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO COME UP, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS IT.

ALL RIGHT. STEP FORWARD. I'M I'M REMOVE YOUR I WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

YEAH. THANK YOU. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST FIRST AMENDMENT GIVES ME THE RIGHT TO ADDRESS MY GOVERNMENT.

WHEN YOU START SAYING, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN? NOW, AFTER I WENT THROUGH THE HASSLE TO ADDRESS MY GOVERNMENT, THEN I'M STILL GOING TO COME UP AND ADDRESS MY GOVERNMENT. OKAY. THE FIRST ONE BEING SAID, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, STAFF HAS THE ABILITY, ADMINISTRATIVE HAS THE ABILITY TO TO GIVE 10% VARIANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL ACCEPT THAT.

I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I'LL ACCEPT IT. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS COMING BEFORE THIS, BEFORE MY ELECTED OFFICIALS.

THAT'S YOU GUYS TO TO MAKE TO MAKE A VOTE ON WHAT VARIANCES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, WHICH IS IN MY BUILDING CODE AND SO FORTH.

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SO MY THING IS SCRAP THE WHOLE THING AS IT IS.

YOU GUYS DO YOUR JOB. HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN YOUR CITY, AND YOU PASS IT.

AND YOU. AND YOU CAST A VOTE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

YOU'RE MY SITTING GOVERNMENT. I DON'T GET A VOTE ON WHO MY STAFF IS, ON THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE.

AND I'VE WATCHED THIS GO UP AND DOWN FOR 20, 30 YEARS OF HOW YOU GET A DIFFERENT PERSON THAT'S SITTING IN CHARGE AND THEY GO AND THEY'LL MAKE CHANGES LEFT AND RIGHT ON WHAT THEY THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT.

I'VE WATCHED THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M UPSET BECAUSE I ATTENDED ALL THE MEETINGS.

I SAT THROUGH ALL OF IT TRYING TO GET GUIDELINES BY WHICH WE WERE GOING TO BE GOVERNED UNDER.

RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU START SAYING, WELL, LET'S MAKE IT 33% FOR A NON-ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SAY, YOU CAN DO IT OR YOU CANNOT. I'M AGAINST THAT.

RIGHT. AND THEN TO AND THEN TO SAY, WELL, BEFORE WE EVEN LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK ON IT, YOU PASS A VOTE TO TABLE IT WITH CHANGES.

THAT'S WHY I REALLY STARTED GETTING. YOU WOULD HAVE SAID TABLE THE WHOLE THING WITHOUT CHANGES OR GUIDANCE.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE THING. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TABLING IT WHILE TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES, THAT'S WHAT UPSET ME AND WHY I FELT IT WAS A VIOLATION OF POINT OF ORDER.

GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. KEN DELGADO 154 ANGELO ROAD, SOUTHEAST.

I'M GOING TO REALLY PUT A YES AND AMEN TO WHAT BILL BATTEN SAID.

I FEEL REALLY FUNNY THAT THAT A NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE MAKING THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS WHEN WHEN WE'VE ASKED YOU TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS.

PLUS AT SOME POINT WHEN WE SAY WHEN I HEAR $650 TO DO AN APPEAL, IT MAKES ME WONDER, IS THAT, IS THAT TRYING TO, TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM APPEALING? LET'S JUST CLOSE THEM DOWN, MAKE IT SO EXPENSIVE THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN, THEY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO APPEAL IT.

SO THEY JUST HAVE TO SUBMIT TO, TO SOMEONE WHO'S NOT ELECTED.

TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO PUT AN EXTRA EXCLAMATION POINT TO WHAT BILL BENTON SAID.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR TOM MARSHALL, 1478 JUPITER BOULEVARD, UNIT 14.

I WOULD URGE YOU TO JUST LEAVE THIS THING ALONE.

VOTE NO. AND YOU'RE TALKING TO A HOMEOWNER WHO HAD SOMETHING, A HOME PROJECT DENIED BY P AND Z, AND GOT THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT FIVE ZERO. THIS WAS 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO.

AND I WAS SO HAPPY. I REALLY BELIEVED I WAS LIVING IN THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH WHEN I, WHEN I GOT MY PROJECT APPROVED NOT A DING AGAINST P AND Z.

I WENT TO THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO. THOSE GUYS ARE PROFESSIONAL VOLUNTEERS.

THEY'RE SINCERE, BUT THEY CAN OCCASIONALLY COME UP WITH THE WRONG ANSWER.

SO I LIKE A REVIEW. AUTOMATIC REVIEW FROM YOU GUYS.

I PEOPLE THAT I VOTE FOR. I DON'T WANT IT LOST IN THE BUREAUCRACY.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. AND BY THE WAY, GENERALLY THE COUNCIL'S ERRS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMEOWNER IN THESE THINGS.

I I WATCH ALL THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I TUNE IN TO THE VARIANCE PART OF IT BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN PROPERTY RIGHTS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THAT. I IT'S NOT BROKE.

DON'T FIX IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? OKAY, GENTLEMEN. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, MAYOR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE ORDINANCE. I'LL SECOND.

I GOT A MOTION TO DENY. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

I'M CALLING THE QUESTION DISCUSSION. OKAY. SO, GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW, WE DID ASK STAFF TO FIND A WAY TO BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENCY TO THE MEETING. THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS.

I THINK A GOOD COMPROMISE WOULD BE INCREASED STAFFS TO 20%.

FINAL AUTHORITY GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. ANYTHING ABOVE 20% GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.

BYPASSING PNC. SO IRONICALLY REPRESENTATIVE, NOT REPRESENTATIVE. ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS, PETER FILIBERTO, WASN'T AT THIS PLANNING AND ZONING VOTE.

BUT I KNOW HIS FEEDBACK WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY CRUCIAL IN THIS.

AND I DON'T EVEN THINK HE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED IT. AND HE'S ON PLANNING AND ZONING BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS ON COUNCIL, HE WAS VERY AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION HAVING MORE LEAD WAY BECAUSE, AGAIN, TO PASTOR KEN DELGADO'S POINT, WE CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND TO THE OTHER GENTLEMAN'S POINT, I WISH I APPRECIATE HIM SPEAKING UP.

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SO I APPRECIATE THEM. I APPRECIATE STAFF FOR PUTTING IN THE LEGWORK ON THIS AND TAKING THE LEAD ON SOMETHING THAT I WAS VERY VOCAL ABOUT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. BUT I DO, I MAY HAVE, I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE I MAY HAVE HAD A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM IN THIS AREA. SO I'M WILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MAYOR, WHICH IS WHY I, I'VE SEEN LIKE WITH THE POLE BARN, THERE WAS A POLE BARN BROUGHT UP, I BELIEVE PLANNING AND ZONING VOTED AGAINST IT.

AND ADMINISTRATION WAS AGAINST, WELL, NOT AGAINST IT, BUT FOUND IT A LITTLE HAZARDOUS OR WHATNOT, BUT COUNCIL APPROVED IT. FOR THE RESIDENTS LEANING ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

SO I KNOW I WAS THE ONE IN SUPPORT INITIALLY, BUT LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FEE SCHEDULE AND I'M FINE WITH JUST MOVING IT UP IN REGARDS TO HOW WE DO WHEN WE SEE, YOU KNOW, A HUSBAND AND WIFE TRYING TO BRING A POOL.

I'M FINE WITH JUST REVISING THE AGENDA EARLY ON AND TRYING TO GET THEM TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IF WE CAN.

SO THANK YOU. I'VE GOT COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN WEIGHING IN.

YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL. YOU'RE BOTH CORRECT.

BOTH SIDES ARE CORRECT. WE NEED TO ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMEOWNER.

AND IF THAT MEANS PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK INTO IT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO. AND ON THE PLUS SIDE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF DID WORK REALLY HARD. AND WE DO WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENCY. SO MY ASK IS OR MY, I GUESS, QUESTION IS, COULD WE SAY YOU KNOW, IF IF STAFF ERRS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMEOWNER, THEN IT'S GOOD. AND IF THEY DECIDE TO GO AGAINST THE HOMEOWNER, THEN IT HAS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

DID YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? I'M, I'M, I'M AT THE POINT THAT WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO DENY AND AND THIS THIS IS WHERE I'M AT. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? YOU JUST WEIGHED IN. YEAH, WELL, JUST LISTEN TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S ARGUMENT.

YOU KNOW, THE POLE BARN STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

PA RECOMMENDED A DENIAL. COUNCIL APPROVED IT, ALLOWING STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROVAL WITH THE LARGER VARIANCE.

THAT PROCESS STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME SORT OF WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIAL DENIAL APPROVAL.

YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY COMES DOWN TO THESE THESE POOL DECKS, THESE I THINK IT TAKES LIKE 3 OR 4 MONTHS JUST TO GET IN FRONT OF PA AND THEN ANOTHER MONTH OF COUNCIL AND THEN ANOTHER ANOTHER READING AFTER THAT.

IT'S 4 TO 5, SIX MONTHS OF THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

NICE THAT WE MOVE IT UP TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, REALLY GIVE THEM SOME OF THEIR LIFE BACK.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PROPERTY RIGHTS ADVOCATES, GENTLEMEN, AND JUST GIVE THE STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE UP TO 20%.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. AND THEN IF IT GETS DENIED.

IT STILL COMES TO US. P AND Z AND THEN US. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M AT ON IT.

WELL, RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A MOTION TO DENY. MAYBE WE COULD SCRAP THAT AND DO THE 20%.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US. BUT RIGHT NOW I GOT A MOTION TO DENY.

MOTIONS FROM COUNCILMAN JOHNSON TO DENY. AND THE SECOND IS FROM COUNCILMAN HAMMER.

ALL ROLL CALL. MADAM, DO YOU WANT TO PULL YOURS OR.

AND GO TO THE HAVE GO BACK. GOT A ROLL CALL. ASK.

I GOT A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN. HAMMER. YEAH. COUNCILMAN LANGEVIN.

NAY. MAYOR. MEDINA. YAY! DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE. NAY.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. YEAH! OKAY. MOTION TO DENY.

PASSES 3 TO 2. WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

THE COMMON CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR. BILL BENTON, FOR WHICH, WHICH ITEM? THE FIRST ITEM IS FEVER. BREVARD. WELL, IT'S JUST CONSENT NUMBER FOUR.

OKAY. JUST ONE SPEAKER. I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO, BUT THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT ANY CARDS.

OH, OKAY. SO YOU WERE JUST GOING TO CALL THEM UP ON.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO CALL THEM EACH UP. THE VERY FIRST ONE IS BREVARD.

DID YOU WANT TO PRESENT THIS DANIEL. SO YEAH, I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK BECAUSE IT'S BABY ROBBIE'S BEDTIME.

IT'S USUALLY MY NAP TIME RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF THE THREE CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUESTS THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED ON TO CHANGE THE POLICY SOME KEY THINGS THAT WAS CHANGED THAT THE APPLICANTS OR THE ORGANIZERS NOW PAY FOR THE DAY OF STAFFING,

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AND IF IT'S OVER THAT THEY COME TO COUNCIL. THESE THREE APPLICATIONS ARE THE ONES THAT WENT OVER THAT $1,500 THRESHOLD FOR FEE WAIVERS.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS VIVA BREVARD WITH THE BREVARD HISPANIC CENTER.

SO I'LL CALL UP JAVIER. WELL, THIS IS A GREAT FESTIVAL THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE 2012 HERE IN PALM BAY. LAST YEAR WE DID IT A SMALL, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT AS BIG AS WE USED TO DO IT, BUT WE DID IT ANYWAY.

SO ALSO, I WANT TO INVITE YOU TO THE VIVA RIVERA GALA OCTOBER 17TH.

WE'RE GOING TO HONOR CONGRESSMAN BILL POSEY. IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EVENT.

THEY'RE GOING TO LET US STAY THERE UNTIL 1 A.M., SO IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD PARTY THERE.

SO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO COME. YOU HAVE A TABLE.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS A TRUSTEE, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND HAVE A GOOD TIME THERE AND BE VARIBAR FESTIVAL IS NOVEMBER 14TH, SO I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IT TO AND HAVE A GOOD TIME THERE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION? MR. BANNON JUST HAS A BLANKET SPEAKER CARD FOR THIS ITEM IN GENERALITY.

SO BRING HIM UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. OKAY.

GO AHEAD. HAVE A SEAT, SIR. YEAH. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE GOING TO BE VOTING ON EACH ONE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM. SO MY STATEMENT WILL GO FOR ALL THREE ITEMS. INSTEAD OF ME COMING UP AND TRYING TO ADDRESS EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.

RIGHT. CITY OF PALM BAY CURRENTLY IS FACING A SHORTFALL IN BUDGET.

YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE BIG TOPICS FOR TONIGHT SHORTFALL IN BUDGET.

ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE SWIMMING POOL.

WELL WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IT THAT'S FUNDED OUT OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO WHERE DOES THE FUNDS FOR THE COSPONSORSHIP COME FROM? IT COMES OUT OF PARKS AND RECREATION'S DON'T CRY TO ME.

POVERTY AND THEN TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO GIVE AWAY MONEY NOW TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. ARE WE BROKE OR ARE WE SOLVENT? WHICH WAY IS IT? RIGHT. SO I ALWAYS SPEAK OUT AGAINST COSPONSORSHIP.

THE FUNCTIONS ARE GOOD. THEIR ACTIVITIES ARE GOOD.

THEY'RE. THEY BENEFIT SOCIETY. THEY MAKE THEIR LIVES, PEOPLE'S LIVES HAPPIER.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE A COST WITH USING CITY FACILITIES.

YOU CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE. NOW MY RECOMMENDATIONS.

INSTEAD OF JUST COMPLAINING, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A SOLUTION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU.

FOR THESE THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANTED CO-SPONSORSHIP, INSTEAD OF MAKING IT FREE, YOU CHARGE A SMALL FEE.

THAT SMALL FEE COULD THEN BE USED TO PAY FOR YOUR SWIMMING POOL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? PASTOR KEN, COME.

COME UP SIR. OKAY. I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO THE GENTLEMAN.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, SIR. ADDRESS ME.

OKAY. THESE ORGANIZATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HISPANIC CENTER HELPS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN AREAS OF EDUCATION, HEALTH, FAMILY ISSUES, IMMIGRATION, ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT.

WE HAD THE DE LA CRUZ VOLUNTEER CLINIC FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS, WHERE WE HELP INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE.

WE HELP THEM HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. IT'S TOTALLY FREE.

THIS IS A GREAT SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO IF THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS HELPING, OUR ORGANIZATION IS HELPING THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. SO THIS IS A GREAT EFFORT, AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR THIS ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE NECESSARY IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LORD. HELP ME LORD. SIR.

SIR. SIR. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. COME. COME ON. COME.

COME ON. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU START BREAKING DECORUM AND YOU START LETTING SYSTEMS GO.

PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE AN OPINION, AND THEN YOU RECEIVE THAT OPINION? THAT'S ALL. HE'S AN APPLICANT. I KNOW I GAVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY, HE WAS THE APPLICANT.

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HE WAS NOT THE APPLICANT. HE MIGHT BE THE PRESIDENT OF THAT ORGANIZATION.

BUT THIS IS FOR AN APPLICANT. I ADDRESS THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME IT COMES UP IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT ORGANIZATION HAPPENED TO GO THROUGH A LAWSUIT WHERE THEY SUED THE CITY TO GET THE PARADES GOING.

COME ON, LET'S ARE WE NOT A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I STILL HAVE TO FACE THE SAME SITUATION EVERY TIME.

WHEN PEOPLE START ASKING FOR A CO-SPONSORSHIP, IT TICKS ME OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T GET. IT'S PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT. AND THEN WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, WELL, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE VIVA BREVARD COME UP NEXT? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA COME UP AND SPEAK ON EACH ONE? DO I GET TO ADDRESS EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY. PROBABLY NOT RIGHT FOR DECORUM.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE TO COME IN BECAUSE I WAS RAISING MY VOICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SO. SO I NEED A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING.

GUYS, CAN I, CAN I GET THAT? SO MOVED TO SECOND FOR 1130.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, GENTLEMEN.

DEPUTY MAYOR, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I. I THOUGHT IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, I THOUGHT WE CHANGED THE, THE THE SPONSORSHIPS, SPONSORSHIPS JUST TO BE FOR LIKE TANGIBLE THINGS LIKE FACILITIES.

I THOUGHT WE WERE NO LONGER OFFERING STAFF AS AN IN-KIND.

SO SO THAT'S CORRECT. THE ONLY FEES THAT WE'RE WAIVING IS THE RENTAL FEES FOR THE FACILITIES AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE ON HAND.

I COULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE LAST YEAR BECAUSE I HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME.

WHEN THIS WAS CHANGED, THE INDIAN KITE FESTIVAL PAID $1,800 AND ABOUT $1,800 FOR STAFFING.

FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA WAS ABOUT 6900 AND VIVA BREVARD WAS AROUND 700 THAT THEY PAID FOR STAFFING.

I UNDERSTAND, AND I WAS JUST READING SOMETHING. THANK YOU DANIEL. THANK YOU.

CAN I. YES, SIR. NO. WHILE YOU WERE UP THERE, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO WE'RE NOT, LIKE, PAYING OUT. WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST GIVING PEOPLE THINGS AT A DISCOUNTED RATE, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S JUST USE OF THE SPACE IN THE FACILITY.

OKAY. SO SO I, IT WAS MADE TO SOUND LIKE WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MONEY OUT FOR THESE.

WE'RE JUST GIVING A DISCOUNTED MONETARY TRANSACTION OR ANYTHING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE TAKEN THIS ONE AT A TIME.

VIVA BREVARD. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO FOR THE VERY NEXT ONE.

REGARDING THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. I'M PASSING THE GAVEL.

I AM ABSTAINING, BUT BEFORE I DO, I'D LIKE TO TURN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

YES, MAYOR. AND THE MAYOR IS ABSTAINING, AS HE HAS DONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

WE DID SEEK AN OPINION FROM THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS A VOLUNTEER PASTOR AT THE HOUSE CHURCH, ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOT AN ACTUAL CONFLICT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT RECEIVE A SALARY.

SO THERE'S NOT A CONFLICT UNDER SECTION 1123143 UNDER SECTION 286.012.

IT DOES PROVIDE. FOR THE ABILITY TO ABSTAIN IF THERE'S APPEARANCE OF A POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

AND IT WAS BASED UPON THAT PROVISION THAT THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS ADVISED THAT HE SHOULD ABSTAIN.

AND HE HAS ABSTAINED EVER SINCE. SO WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT OR STAFF TO COME UP TO PRESENT ON THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA, FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT. SO, YEAH I'LL CALL UP THE APPLICANT FOR THE HOUSE CHURCH FOR THE 18TH ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA.

PASTOR KEN DELGADO. I'M EXHAUSTED. BUT SOMETIMES WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA, I GET ENERGY AGAIN. IT'S THE BIGGEST CHRISTMAS PARTY ON THE SPACE COAST.

YOU OUGHT TO COME. IT'S THE THIRD SATURDAY OF EVERY YEAR.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AS AS IT WAS JUST MENTIONED, WE.

WHEN YOU CO-SPONSOR, YOU'RE NOT GIVING US ANY MONEY.

IT'S NOT COSTING THE PEOPLE ANY MONEY. IT'S NOT COSTING THE CITY ANY MONEY.

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EVEN OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR CAN COME. IT'S NOT JUST FOR US, IT'S FOR THE EVERYONE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA.

WE JUST ASK YOU, PLEASE SUPPORT IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS STILL THE GREATEST PARTY CHRISTMAS IN ALL OF SPACE COAST AT THE BEST CITY IN ALL OF THE WORLD. THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

PRAISE GOD. OH. COME ON. JAVIER. ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, SO, NO, NO SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. ENTERTAIN A MOTION SO MOVED.

SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 4 TO 0. ALL RIGHT.

AND THE. I KNOW, I KNOW YOU HEARD. I THINK IT WOKE US ALL UP.

SO THE THIRD THE THIRD APPLICANT FOR THE INDIAN KITE FESTIVAL IS THE INDIAN ASSOCIATION, INDIAN ASSOCIATION OF THE SPACE COAST.

SO I'D LIKE TO CALL IT MR. SHAW. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS EVENT FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW.

WE ARE GRATEFUL TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE GOT A GREAT SUPPORT FROM EVERYONE. WE ARE EXTENDING THE SAME SUPPORT AGAIN.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME SUPPORT. WE WANT EVERYONE FROM THE FROM THE CITY TO BE THERE.

IT'S A PERFECT EVENT. FAMILY EVENT WITH. IT SUPPORTS LOCAL BUSINESSES.

THERE IS GOING TO BE VENDORS, KITE FLYING EVENT, BOUNCY HOUSE.

IT'S A PERFECT EVENT. SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME SUPPORT AS EVERY YEAR.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JAFFEE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES FIVE ZERO. SO WE ARE NOW ON REPORTS.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, COUNCILMAN HAMMER. I JUST HAVE ONE THING.

TODAY, WE GOT TO EXPERIENCE A MAJOR TURNING POINT IN EDUCATION HERE IN FLORIDA.

OUR GOVERNOR AWARDED FLORIDA WITH NEW PELL GRANTS FOR THE WORKFORCE PELL GRANTS.

AND IT IS GOING TO BE AN AMAZING FEAT TO BRING KIDS, ADULTS, EVEN EVERYBODY INTO THE WORKFORCE TO GET THOSE JOBS THAT WE NEED. I KNOW OUR MAYOR WANTED TO BE THERE AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I WANTED TO LET HIM KNOW WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.

AND IT WAS, IT WAS TRULY AMAZING. THE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT, THE SUPPORT FROM IT.

IT'S TRULY A LOT. AND THAT'S THAT'S OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND OUR STAFF ON A LOT OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

WE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT RIGHT NOW AND I JUST WANT TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR EVERYBODY.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BURNING THE HOURS. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT, SIR? COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. I'M GOOD. MAYOR. PRAISE THE LORD.

DEPUTY DEPUTY MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. YOU'LL. I'LL YIELD TILL NEXT MEETING.

OH. WELL, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS YIELD THE TIME FOR ME.

I GOT SOMETHING I GOTTA SHARE. THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL HAS AS WE WERE AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING THIS PAST TUESDAY. AND SO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU IS AN ACTUAL AD, A COMMERCIAL THAT'LL BE AIRING IN THE FALL.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SAYING AFTER THE ELECTIONS HIGHLIGHTING THIS CITY IS ONE OF THEM.

SO THIS COMMERCIAL WILL BE LIKE IN NEW YORK, GEORGIA, SOME OF THE STATES SOME, SOME OF THE CITIES IN OUR STATE AND SO ON.

BUT GO AHEAD, CUE THAT VIDEO. 10S AND COUNTING.

NINE. EIGHT. IGNITION SEQUENCE START SEVEN T MINUS SIX 54321.

LIFTOFF. WE HAVE LIFTOFF. SO, GENTLEMEN, THAT WAS.

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SO THOSE I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE HARD WORK THAT THE FOLKS DID.

OUR STAFF, NUMBER ONE, OUR STAFF WORKED REALLY HARD IN GETTING THAT, THAT CLIP OVER.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH US.

TITUSVILLE IS ALSO BEING PROVIDED A VIDEO OR COMMERCIAL IN THE SAME MARKETING SCHEME.

SO I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. IT'S OUR JOB TO SELL THIS CITY.

IT'S OUR JOB TO TO HIGHLIGHT OUR CITY AT ALL POINTS.

AND SO I, WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THAT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT I WORK HARD ON THAT.

SO I WAS EXCITED THAT WE'RE SUBLIMINALLY SENDING PALM BAY TO EVERYWHERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADVERTISING IN THE NORTHEAST AND WITHIN OUR, OUR OUR STATE AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. MR. MORTON, KAYLEE, AND DANIEL WERE LAUGHING JUST A LITTLE TOO HARD ABOUT THAT.

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS:]

IT'LL BE THE BEST VERSION OF THE POOL THE CITY HAS SEEN IN A DECADE.

WE'VE GOT SOME INCREDIBLE TALENT, INCREDIBLE RESOURCES. PEOPLE ARE RALLYING AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED. AND SO I HAD NO, NO SHAME AT ALL WAS IT WAS NOT A ONE OF THOSE IGNORANT GOVERNMENT MOVES TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

I REALLY BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AMAZING POOL. SO I CAUGHT YOU GUYS LAUGHING A LITTLE TOO HARD. I'M GOING TO GIVE COUNCIL A LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN AND SHOOT ME DOWN. IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE UP. WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE UP THE FORMAT OF THE MEETING A LITTLE BIT. FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WHERE'S SEAN HARRIS IS SITTING THE AMAZINGLY TALENTED, HANDSOME MAN. HE'S GOING TO MOVE TOWARDS YOU A LITTLE CLOSER.

STAFF WILL TAKE THAT SEAT EVENTUALLY RIGHT THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE DAIS FREE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND AS ITEMS ARE CALLED, STAFF IS JUST GOING TO START COMING RIGHT UP SITTING AT THAT COMPUTER AND PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OR PRESENTATIONS. SO WE CAN JUST ELIMINATE THOSE MOMENTS UPON MOMENTS OF WAITING AND WAITING FOR STAFF TO WALK, THERE'S GOING TO BE READY AND BE READY TO GO.

STAFF WILL SHIFT TO THE LEFT SIDE. PUBLIC WILL HAVE ALL THIS OPPORTUNITY. DAIS IS ALWAYS THERE AS WE THINK. IT'LL BE JUST A EASIER WAY TO MANAGE A MEETING AND KEEP US ON TRACK AND KEEP STAFF READY TO GO. SO IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THAT A TRY IN OCTOBER.

IT SOUNDS LIKE POOL RFP IS GOING OUT MONDAY, BY THE WAY.

WE'VE MET WITH ALL THE GROUPS. AGAIN, WE KNOW IT'S AN EXPEDITED ISSUE TO GET THIS BACK AND KEEP IT ON TRACK AND GET IT BACK OPEN, SO WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING OUT THE DOOR AND START THAT PROCESS. BRIAN'S PUT AN AMAZING TASK FORCE TOGETHER. IN RESPONSE TO MR. STACY'S QUESTION. HE LEFT. I PUT IT IN THE CITY MANAGER NEWSLETTER.

OPEN HOUSE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IS GOING TO BE THE 24TH.

IT'S COMING QUICK. 6 P.M. RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

AND WE SHOULD BE ALSO DETAILING THAT NEW GIS DASHBOARD WE'RE WORKING ON FOR ABOUT 6 OR 8 MONTHS, SO THAT'LL BE FANTASTIC. LAST THING I WAS ASKED TO BRING UP IS CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK IT'S CONGRATULATIONS. THE BREVARD COUNTY COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE REQUEST.

IT WAS THE LAST LETTER NEEDED TO DO THE CSX EVALUATION FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

BUT I NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR. IT'S AN EVALUATION.

IT'S A STUDY. IT TAKES A LONG TIME. IT'S ITERATIVE.

RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE LEFT OUT OF THAT STUDY.

SO IF YOU'RE LIVING ON THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START MAYBE PAYING TO GO TO YOUR HOUSE OR THIS IS THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WILL INVOLVE RESIDENTS. LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE CORRIDORS, MAINTAIN FREE MOBILITY CORRIDORS IN THE CITY.

THERE'S A LOT TO THIS. WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME COMMUNICATIONS TOGETHER. WE'LL KEEP EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, AND IT WILL BE A YEAR OR TWO. THIS IS NOT JUST ADD WATER LIKE SEA MONKEYS AND WE'RE OFF TO THE RACES AND THEN PREDOMINANTLY THE SOUTH CORRIDOR OF.

THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF IT. IS THAT SOUTH FROM MALABAR ROAD, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH INTERCHANGE, RIGHT. THAT IS A FOCUS YOU GUYS ILLUSTRATED. RIGHT.

SO PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING NOW IN THE SAINT JOHNS DON'T WONDER IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAKE UP AND PAY A TOLL TOMORROW TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE. RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. AND THEN SELFISHLY, I SHOULD JUST SHUT UP.

BUT I'M TIRED, SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY.

LIGHT TEAM NUMBER TWO IS COMING TO AN END. WE GOT JUST A FEW WEEKS LEFT AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT A JOY IT IS TO WORK WITH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, EIGHT JUST STELLAR INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY WHO ARE HUNGRY FOR LEADERSHIP, HUNGRY TO SERVE COMMUNITY.

SELFISHLY, IT'S A TON OF FUN. AND THERE'S NOTHING MORE REWARDING THAN JUST WATCHING PEOPLE LEARN AND GROW AND HAVE A GOOD TIME BECOMING BETTER VERSIONS OF THEMSELVES. SO IT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN. AND WE'LL GET THEM UP HERE WITH THEIR NAME TAGS AGAIN, LIKE WE DID THE LAST GROUP. AND YOU CAN SEE WHO THEIR IDOLS WERE WHEN THEY'RE IN THEIR LEADERSHIP PRACTICE. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING, GENTLEMEN.

I JUST WANTED TO TAG TEAM ON THAT TO TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I BELIEVE THE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THAT CONCURRENCY AND LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THAT SOUTHERN PORTION, AND THEY GOT EVEN ENCOURAGED THEMSELVES.

SO I GOT TO GIVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU KUDOS FOR THAT DIRECTION.

AND, AND I WAS ABLE TO GO AND PRESENT ALONG WITH JASON DILORENZO AT THE TUESDAY'S MEETING.

[04:55:09]

OKAY. WE NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? ARE THERE ANY CARDS? OH, OKAY. WELL, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.