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ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MISS POWELL. WE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. YES, MR. KARAFFA HERE. MR. WARNER PRESENT, MR. CATALANO HERE.
MR. FILIBERTO HERE. MR. HIGGINS HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
MR. MCNALLY HAS RESIGNED. MR. NORRIS HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
AND DEBORAH MALONEY HERE. ALL RIGHT. AND CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY TANYA EARLY IS PRESENT.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER. MR. CHAIR? YES. THERE'S NO MINUTES THIS EVENING. EXCELLENT.
WHY? YOU JUST THREW ME OFF. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT.
FOR THE BENEFITS OF EVERYBODY THAT IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
FIRST OF ALL I DIDN'T MENTION IT JUST A MINUTE AGO.
IF YOU DO HAVE YOUR CELL PHONE WITH YOU, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT IS ON SILENT.
WE DO NOT WANT TO BE CONTESTING WITH YOUR PHONE WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE OUR MEETING.
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ALL RIGHT. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION STAFF.I'M SORRY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANTS IN THE AUDIENCE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED COMPRISED OF UNPAID VOLUNTEERS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE THAT'S COMING BEFORE THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF.
THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN BE ASKED TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION GERMANE TO THE CASE, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR THE RECORD, AS A COURTESY, I ASK THAT IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAY HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED FOR FURTHER COMMENTS.
AND SORRY, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD FROM THE AUDIENCE.
I WILL THEN CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, AT WHICH TIME YOU'LL HEAR THE BOARD HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MOTIONS. WE CAN TABLE IT.
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S JUMP RIGHT IN. NEW BUSINESS V26-0006.DIAZ. TREASURES. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF.
MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD EVENING. AND BOARD MEMBERS COULD WE DO A POLLING ON THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS? WE ABSOLUTELY CAN'T FORGET TO DO THIS EVERY NIGHT.
IF ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAS HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO EXERT INFLUENCE OVER YOU FOR THE PROCEEDINGS OF THIS CASE, PLEASE SPEAK NOW SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT LOGGED.
OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE WILL CONTINUE. THANK YOU.
THE APPLICANT, DIAZ TREASURES LLC, IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW RELIEF FROM CHAPTER 178 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN ORDER TO PERMIT AN ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN IN EXCESS OF THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF WALL SIGNS ALLOWED FOR THE SUBJECT SITE.
YOU'RE SEEING THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE THE CODE REQUIRES YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
A CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING WAS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS MEETING.
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WHETHER OR NOT A LITERAL INTERPRETATION IS KEEPING THE APPLICANT FROM USING THEIR PROPERTY TO ITS MAXIMUM EXTENT.AND WE LOOK AT SAFETY AND WELFARE AS WELL. THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE WALL SIGNAGE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE TO THE NORTH OR TOP OF THE SLIDE IS MALABAR ROAD.
TO THE RIGHT IS THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY FUTURE EXTENSION, AND THE APPLICANT IS PERMITTED TO HAVE A WALL SIGN INDICATED AS WALL SIGN E HERE AND WALL SIGN C BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH FACING A ROADWAY, WE REQUIRE STREET FRONTAGE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ONE ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN WHICH WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS WALL.
SIGN D ON THIS ILLUSTRATION, THAT WALL SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE 51.32FT². THE OTHER TWO SIGNS ARE LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE. SO THIS ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNAGE, IF PERMITTED, WOULD STILL KEEP THEM AT THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF WALL SIGNAGE THEY'RE ALLOWED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO, THE ONES WE TALKED ABOUT TO THE NORTH AND EAST, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY PERMITTED BY OUR CODE, THE ADDITIONAL OR PROPOSED ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN IS HERE ON THE WEST ELEVATION, AS YOU CAN SEE.
AND YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE AT ANY PARTICULAR WOW, WOW, WHERE YOU HAVE THE ICE STATION EXTERNAL DOOR AND ANOTHER ENTRY. THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD WANT THE SIGN JUST INDICATING THE ACTUAL WAWA AND THEIR GOOSE OR BIRD LOGO.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL ONLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE FOLLOW THE CODE AND THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE LOOK AT, WE REALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS A HARDSHIP.
HOWEVER, YOU HAVE SEEN PROPOSALS LIKE THIS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND WE ANTICIPATE PROBABLY 1 OR 2 MORE IN THE COMING MONTHS. STAFF IS CONSIDERING PURSUING A CHANGE TO THE CODE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNAGE OUTSIDE OF THE STREET FRONTAGE AREA, PERHAPS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS OF INTEREST TO NEW DEVELOPERS.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY.
SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. STAFF HAS A FEW ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE AS CONDITIONS JUST CONDITIONING THAT THEY DO KEEP THE WALL SIGN SIGNAGE FOR THE ADDITIONAL WALL AT THE SIZE AND SCALE THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED HERE, AND THAT THEY ARE NOT TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNAGE, MEANING NO OTHER WALL SIGNAGE THAN THE THREE YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT, THE TWO THAT ARE PERMITTED AND THE ONE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD REAL QUICK BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES.
IS THERE ANY ISSUES ANY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT OR NEIGHBORS THAT AFFECT THE THE WAWA SIGN FACING THAT DIRECTION. WELL, THE ADDITIONAL SIGN WOULD BE FACING A DRIVEWAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING THERE BUT SOON TO BE DEVELOPED.
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE HAMMOCK SQUARE, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE, I BELIEVE IF YOU.
IF I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A STORE. SOME OF THE STORES HAVE SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE THAT FACES THE COOKIE STORE CRUMBL COOKIE. I THINK IT IS. SO IF YOU TURN COMPLETELY AROUND AND YOU FACE THE OTHER WAY, THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE ON THAT DRIVEWAY. SO THERE ARE INSTANCES LIKE THAT WHERE THE SIGNAGE CAN BE USEFUL.
THANK YOU. AND WHILE WE'RE SAYING THAT, I GUESS MAYBE ANOTHER CONDITION COULD BE THAT WE REQUIRE THE ADDRESS BE POSTED ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
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OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.WITH THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ADDRESS IS 4590 118TH AVENUE NORTH, CLEARWATER, FLORIDA, 33772.
I HAVE A A PREPARED STATEMENT JUST TO REITERATE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS AN INTEGRATED MULTI USE, 6.63 ACRE DEVELOPMENT OR PROPOSED AT THIS POINT DEVELOPED LOCATION AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, NORTHWEST AND WEST MALABAR ROAD INTERSECTION LOCATED IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WHICH INCLUDES OUR STANDALONE BUILDING LOCATED ON A 2.87 ACRE LOT IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS PROPOSAL, WE ARE SEEKING TO EXPAND UPON THE GENERALLY PERMISSIBLE ONE WALL SIGN PER ROADWAY FRONTAGE CRITERIA TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN ON THE WESTERLY FACING SECONDARY ENTRYWAY TO OUR FACILITY THAT FACES INTO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
THIS LOCATION WILL PROVIDE AND INCLUDE A FULL SERVICE GAS AND RETAIL CENTER THAT WILL REQUIRE THE NEED FOR HIGHLY VISIBLE SIGNAGE TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST QUALITY, HIGHEST QUALITY STANDARDS TO PROMOTE CLEAR INFORMATIONAL INTENT, EASE OF MANEUVERABILITY AND SAFETY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
WE FEEL THAT OUR PROPOSAL WILL NOT ONLY PROVIDE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS INTO THE VARIOUS BUSINESSES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO ENHANCE THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH A COHESIVE AND SOPHISTICATED DESIGN APPROACH THAT IS CORE TO THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE LDC.
WITH THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
YES. GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO YOU STATED THAT YOU WILL BE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE WITH THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
HOW WOULD THAT HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT ANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE IN THE UNDERLYING AREAS? AT THIS, AT THIS MOMENT, WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT WILL AFFECT ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THERE.
THERE IS THIS IS A COMMERCIAL GENERAL INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE A PUBLIX THERE, RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
MCDONALD'S. SO THE RESIDENTS AT LEAST WHAT I SEE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS THEY'RE A MILE TWO MILES AWAY. AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING REGIONALLY THAT WOULD CREATE A HAZARD OR A VISIBILITY ISSUE.
ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL. WE DO HAVE THE GAS PUMPS, WHICH IS A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.
AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROMOTE THIS ENTRYWAY FOR THEIR FLY THROUGH CONCEPT.
THEY'RE KIND OF MOBILE CALL IN ORDER AND BE ABLE TO DIRECTLY ACCESS THAT AREA.
OKAY. I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS WAWA, YOU PUT UP YOU PUT UP THE WAWA.
YEAH. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT AND NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, AS MANY OF US GO TO A GAS STATION, HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE RUNNING IN AND OUT AND PUMPS.
WE'D LIKE TO REALLY DRIVE THE INTENT INTO THIS ENTRANCE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS A WHILE BEFORE I PASS IT.
YEAH. MY WIFE GETS REALLY ANNOYED WITH ME WHEN SHE'S LIKE, THERE WAS A WAWA.
YEAH. I MEAN, FROM SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE. I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. COMING FROM THE WEST. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR INTENT AND THERE ISN'T REALLY ANY OTHER TYPE OF, I MEAN, FROM DRIVING THE AREA LAST WEEK.
YOU KNOW, THE NEXT GAS STATION IS OVER A MILE AWAY.
TWO MILES AWAY. SO WE REALLY WANT TO. YEAH. THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
GET THEM IN THERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? NO.
OKAY. YOU CAN SIT DOWN NOW. DO THE PUBLIC MEETING.
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NO. OKAY. ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK AGAINST THE WAWA SIGN, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND.ALL RIGHT, WELL, COME ON FORWARD. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I FIND IT KIND OF STRANGE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS DISAPPROVAL.
I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE WROTE THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? I ALSO BELIEVE THAT LANDOWNER'S RIGHT TO LET THEM DO IT.
NOW IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE, OKAY, NOW WE'VE SET THE SET THE STANDARD.
WELL, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO AND ASK, CAN I PUT A SIGN ON EACH SIDE OF MY BUILDING? WHICH BRINGS UP THE FACT THAT MCDONALD'S HAS SIGN ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
HOW DID THEY ABLE? HOW WERE THEY ABLE TO GET SIGNS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING WHEN THIS WAS REQUESTING TO HAVE ONE ON AN EXTERIOR WALL? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET ANSWERED.
THE OTHER OTHER ONE WAS THE FACT OF THE LIGHTS.
SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO ILLUMINATE THE SIGN OR THE LIGHTS SHINING UP THERE SHINING DOWN, OR ARE THEY ABOVE THE SKYLINE FOR THE PRESENTATION OF ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE RESIDENTS.
RIGHT. THE OTHER ITEM THAT I, I NOTICED WAS WHEN THEY BUILD A NEW.
ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, BUSINESS IS COMING IN ON THE VACANT LAND NEXT TO THEM.
BUT YOU'RE THE BOARD. HAVE FUN. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN LANDOWNER'S RIGHTS.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? NO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE NEED A MOTION.
IS THERE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MOVE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE V 260006.
WAWA 5509 WITH THE STAFF'S CONDITIONS. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? NO. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? IF THAT MOTION FAILED.
MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. HERE'S HERE AND HERE'S WHY.
I LOOKED AT ALL THE STAFF'S COMMENTS AND AND JUST LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT I GET THE REASON FOR THE, FOR YOU WANTING THREE SIGNS. HOWEVER LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH I WAS ALREADY A STATEMENT ON HIS OWN. AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT US PUTTING THAT THIRD SIGN THERE, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO COME ON THAT OTHER SIDE, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE WHERE WE'RE WHERE THERE WILL BE RESIDENTS ON THAT, ON THAT OTHER SIDE, AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP WHERE WE WHERE WHAT WHAT STARTED THIS ORDINANCE.
AND ONE OF THE ONE PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS TRYING TO KEEP SOME OF THESE SIGNAGE OUT OF OUT OF THE RESIDENTS WINDOWS AND OUT OF THEIR, OUT OF THEIR OUT OF THEIR WAY. SO I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT AT THIS, AT THIS JUNCTURE OF IT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO CREATE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M AGAINST IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A DETRIMENT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAN, THAN FOR THE OTHER COMMERCIAL THAT WILL COME INTO THAT AREA.
OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I'M IN AGREEANCE AND I DO LIKE THE, THE FLY THROUGH A CONCEPT THAT IS HERE.
BUT WAWA DOES HAVE A BIG FOOTPRINT, AS IS. I MEAN, THEY STICK OUT.
WELL I DON'T FEEL AN ADDITIONAL SIGN IS NEEDED FOR THAT AREA.
AND MY CONCERN IS ALSO WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD POSSIBLY FACE THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
MR. CATALANO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD.
CATALANO. CATALANO. I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? THANK YOU. YEAH.
I JUST THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO TIE THE HANDS OF BUSINESSES.
I DON'T CARE HOW HOW BIG YOU ARE OR HOW BIG OF A FOOTPRINT YOU HAVE.
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN PALM BAY, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A TOWN THAT THAT DOESN'T COOPERATE WITH BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S SMALL BUSINESS, BIG BUSINESS. I BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE A TOWN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, NO TO, NO TO BUSINESS. SO I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE THEM AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE.AND I THINK IN DOING THAT HAS GIVEN HIM, GIVEN HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO DISPLAY THEIR SIGN.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IT IS IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, YOU KNOW.
SO WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE PROTECTING? OKAY. CAN YOU BRING THE PICTURE BACK UP WITH THE THE SIGN.
YEAH, YEAH, IT'S A WAWA. HERE'S MY COMMENTS ON IT.
IT'S IT'S A WAWA. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN ISN'T WAY UP IN THE AIR.
IT'S IT'S NOT IN ANYBODY'S FACE. I THINK IT'S ON THE SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING.
I'M, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IF I'M DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND I SEE THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO GO INTO A BUSINESS, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE BUSINESS BUILDING AND I'M GOING TO SAY, WHAT IS THAT? AND THERE'S NO SIGN. WHAT IS THAT? WHY WOULD YOU NOT HAVE A SIGN ON YOUR BUILDING? I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, I MIGHT PASS IT BECAUSE MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE WHATEVER IT IS. MY WIFE, WHO'S SITTING NEXT TO ME WANTS TO HAVE FROM A GAS STATION.
SO HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S YOUR BUILDING AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SIGNAGE ON THE SIDES OF IT.
I'M KIND OF SHOCKED WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, BUT HERE WE ARE.
SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION TO DENY, I THINK I THINK IT'S A LOVELY BUILDING.
ALL RIGHT, WITHOUT ANYTHING FURTHER, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENYING V26-06. INDICATE BY SAYING I I I OKAY.
ALL OPPOSED I AYE MOTION FAILS. WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE'RE GOING TO FAIL BOTH WAYS, MR. CHAIR YEAH. IF I MAY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE SOME MORE DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE CAN BE ANY CHANGE IN THE POSITION OF THE BOARD AND PERHAPS A NEW MOTION THAT'S MADE. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE CORRECT.
NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. THERE'S BEEN NO RULING ON THE VARIANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU.
IT SEEMS PRETTY EVIDENT THAT EVEN THE STAFF SAYS, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO DEVELOP SOME FLEXIBILITY INTO IT TO BRING BEFORE THE CITY.
I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHY IT EXISTS. I HEAR YOU, MR. WARNER, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF WE DON'T WANT THIS IN SOMEBODY'S WINDOW.
I GET THAT. I THINK A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THAT FRONT.
I THINK NUMBER TWO, JUST BY THE CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU'RE MOVING INTO.
IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IN ONTO ROAD FRONTAGE. I MEAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT MALABAR ROAD.
THERE'S PLENTY OF HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT OFF MALABAR, MALABAR ROAD.
THE FRONT OF THEM ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO. IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT RIGHT OUT OF THEIR DOOR, RIGHT OUT OF THEIR WINDOW, BUY A DIFFERENT HOUSE.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. YEAH, I HAD THE SAME POINT.
AND DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE STAFF IS EVEN RECOMMENDING OR ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHT OF CHANGING THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN, THEY WANT TO BE HEARD, THEY WANT TO BE SEEN, THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, AS PALM BAY. WE NEED AS MANY BUSINESSES.
WE WANT TO BE A PRO-BUSINESS CITY. I WOULD HOPE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE IT'S A REACH TO TRY TO ASK THEM TO OR ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIGN TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT.
AND I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR BY LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING, LIKE, WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, SO BUT I THINK AGAIN, THE STAFF IS LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT ORDINANCE FOR THAT VERY REASON SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
SO EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LAS VEGAS OVER ON SAINT JOHN SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
I THINK WE'RE A LONG WAYS FROM LAS VEGAS, BUT I MEAN, WHAT IS SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY,
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RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE DEVELOPING IT BECAUSE WE WANT THAT'S WHERE WE WANT THIS STUFF.IF WE IF WE WERE GOING COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL, THEN THIS WOULD MAKE IT.
THEN IT'S A NO BRAINER BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO THAT MEANS THAT SO, SO SO YOU'RE AFFECTING A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS.
AND I THINK I THINK MORE OF MY CONCERN IS THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE THAT THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY US CONTINUOUSLY JUST PUTTING IN MORE SIGNAGE, MORE SIGNAGE, MORE SIGNAGE. BUT WE MAY NOT BE SEEING IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU MIGHT STILL WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S A WILDERNESS OUT THAT WAY.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A BLIND SLATE BECAUSE IT'S A WILDERNESS.
BUT ONCE THINGS ONCE, ONCE IT REALLY STARTED GETTING DEVELOPED AND WE AND BUSINESSES START MOVING IN THERE, WHICH I WANT TO SEE COMMERCIAL COME IN. I MEAN, IF THERE'S A BIG ADVOCATE SETTING UP ON THIS BOARD THAT'S FOR FOR COMMERCIAL, IT'S THIS GUY HERE. SO BUT BUT AT THE SAME, AT THE SAME TIME, WE STILL HAVE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT BY THE RESIDENTS.
AND YEAH, I'D SAY, AS THE CHAIR HAD POINTED OUT, IS THAT WE JUST THE BUILDINGS THERE.
SO IF YOU SAY IF THERE WAS NO, IF THEY WERE JUST COMING IN OR THERE WAS RESIDENTS ALL THE WAY AROUND THEM, BUT A NEW RESIDENT COMING IN, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WOW, IT'S A BIG WAWA.
I DON'T I'LL THINK I'LL BE FINE. RIGHT HERE TO THE.
IS IT THE WEST? THE WEST SIDE? I'LL BE JUST FINE BECAUSE WE WON'T SEE A SIGN THERE.
BUT THEY GOT A BIG, HUGE BUILDING THERE, SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO.
I THINK THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OPTIONS. LET ME ASK REAL QUICK TO THE TO THE TO THE LEFT OF THE PICTURE, IT SAYS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE WHOEVER IS IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SPOT IS GOING TO BE STARING AT THIS VARIANT SIGN.
WHAT IS THAT ZONED? SO THE ENTIRE LOT THERE IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
WHAT MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL TO YOU IS LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET TO THE NORTH IS PMU, WHICH IS PARKWAY. MIXED USE TO THE NORTHEAST IS ANOTHER PUD AND TO THE DIRECT EAST WOULD BE OUR M15. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT SLIDE WHERE THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT HERE, THAT DRIVEWAY. JUST IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO LIKELY COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO GIVE YOU ACCESS TO WHATEVER BUILDS HERE, HERE, HERE, AND HERE, AND WHATEVER BUILDS, BUILDS, THERE IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL.
YES. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. WE'VE ALL GONE ANOTHER ROUND ON THIS ONE.
HOPEFULLY THE ATTORNEYS SATISFIED? DO WE WANT TO DO ANOTHER MOTION AND SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2600065509.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT A FIRST BY MR. CATALANO AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PHILIP. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK STAFF IS REQUESTING CLARIFICATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE INCLUDES THIS.
THE THREE STAFF CONDITIONS REFERENCED IN STAFF PRESENTATION.
I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS A LONG NIGHT. I'LL I'LL AMEND THE MOTION.
YES. WITH THE STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. MR. CHAIR, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, STAFF ALSO ADDED A FOURTH RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE THE SIZE OF THE THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, AND ALSO THE THE ADDRESS BEING ON THERE, THE NUMERIC.
YOU PUT THE ADDRESS ON THE SIDE. YES WE CAN. THANK YOU.
YEAH. SO YEAH, I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS.
I THINK THE I THINK THE STAFF WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT IF THEY HAD IF THEY COULD.
THEY'RE JUST GOING BY WHAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO RIGHT NOW.
SO THANK YOU STAFF. I'M READY. I'M READY TO VOTE.
I'M READY TO VOTE. ARE YOU READY TO VOTE? ARE YOU READY TO VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING V26-0006 INDICATE BY SAYING I I I.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. AS LONG AS AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR ON ALL THE CONDITIONS WITH CONDITIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM.
FD2600001 EMERALD LAKES EAST PHASE ONE. OH, BOY.
WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF. OKAY. THIS IS A EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
IF ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAS HAD ANY PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING SO NOW. OKAY. HEARING NONE.
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OKAY, I'LL GET STARTED. AND I'LL MENTION THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.SO THE APPLICANT EXPRESS LAND EXCESS LAND INVESTMENT LLC IS REQUESTING FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR EMERALD LAKE'S EAST PHASE ONE. AND I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW MAPS FOR YOU JUST SO YOU CAN GET YOURSELVES TO THE AREA YOU'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
EMERALD LAKE'S PROJECTS. I'LL JUST MENTION THAT THE EMERALD LAKE'S RAC PUD IS THIS ENTIRE AREA.
IT LIES BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, SOUTHEAST AND EAST AND WEST OF I 95.
TONIGHT, YOU'RE SOLELY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE HASH MARK AREA WITH THE YELLOW LINES, WHICH IS EMERALD LAKE'S EAST PHASE ONE. AGAIN, EMERALD LAKES RAC PUD IS INCLUSIVE OF THE AREA YOU SEE IN THE MAP.
IT HAS SPECIFIED USES FOR URBAN LIVING, WORKPLACE, MIXED USE TOWN CENTER AND OPEN SPACE.
THERE IS SOME HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT, AND I WANT TO GET TO THIS SLIDE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE OVERALL THAT THE EMERALD LAKES RAC PUD, THE WHITE PORTION OF THAT TABLE IS THE TOTAL APPROVALS FOR THE RAC PUD, EMERALD LAKES AND THE SPECIFIED ACREAGES DESIGNATED TO THE RIGHT IN YELLOW FOR THIS PHASE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT NOW.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 1.1 MILLION PLUS SQUARE FEET OF NON RESIDENTIAL USES, AS WELL AS 652 MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AT A MAXIMUM OF 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
TOTAL ACREAGE FOR THIS PHASE IS 328. THERE ARE SOME PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS BY PHASE.
I CAN TELL YOU. PHASE ONE, A ONE, B1C AND ONE D, AND THEN THE OVERALL PROGRAM, THE TIMING BEGINNING AT QUARTER TWO OF 2027 OUT THROUGH Q1 2031. I'LL GO OVER THAT WITH YOU.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, PHASE ONE A IS YOUR GREEN ONE, B IS BLUE, ONE C PURPLE, AND ONE D IS THAT TAN COLOR FOR PHASE ONE A AGAIN, GREEN.
IN PHASE ONE B, WE'RE CONTINUING TO TO CONSTRUCT WORKFORCE BOULEVARD SOUTH TO THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT IN PHASE ONE C, WHICH IS THE PURPLE. WE'RE CONSTRUCTING SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO THE EAST AND SOUTH TO THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF C 17 IF IT'S NOT ALREADY IN PLACE. AND THEN FOR OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
906,000 OR MORE OR LESS. COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND RESEARCH USE.
200,000FT². HOTEL OR MOTEL. I BELIEVE THAT'S 400 BEDS.
652 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AGAIN TOTALING 328 ACRES, NOT EXCEEDING 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE ALTOGETHER, AND INCLUSIVE OF 112 ACRES OF RESOURCE BASED OPEN SPACE.
THE PROJECT BOUNDARY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN BLUE, THERE ARE SOME UTILITIES AND STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, AS YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN, THAT ARE PLANNED WITH THE PHASE ONE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SCHOOLS GAVE US THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT, AND THEY DO HAVE THE SEATS FOR THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD GENERATE. WE ALSO GOT INPUT FROM POLICE, FIRE AND OF COURSE TRANSPORTATION, WHEREBY THERE WILL BE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED.
FOR OPEN SPACE, THIS PROJECT PROVIDES 115 ACRES TOTAL.
BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH THE FINAL PHASES. THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN INCLUDES UPDATES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDE AND THE FINAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 3RD BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND IS NOW BEING AMENDED TO INCORPORATE THE NON RESIDENTIAL BIG BOX USES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED FOR THIS PHASE.
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STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW THE REVIEW CRITERIA? OUR FINDINGS OF FACT IS THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE PUD FOR EMERALD LAKES.TODAY, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR EMERALD LAKES EAST PHASE ONE.
AND UPON RECEIVING THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEY WILL HAVE.
THERE'S AN ERROR IN THAT SLIDE, BUT THEY WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND. CONSIDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION. MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION ABOUT APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND THE DA WILL HAVE TWO READINGS TONIGHT. WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE OR DENY.
WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME DRAFTED LANGUAGE THERE FOR YOUR USE, AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT THEY SUBMITTED THEIR BIG, BEAUTIFUL BOOK AND THAT WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER THE 3RD, AND NOW THEY'RE WANTING TO AMEND IT A MONTH LATER.
THE REASON YES, THAT IS WHAT I SAID. THE REASON WE ARE AMENDING IT IS THAT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL DID NOT INCLUDE SOME SPECIFIED ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT WE WANT TO SEE INCLUDED AS PART OF WHAT'S OCCURRING EAST OF I 95, WHICH IS A LOT OF YOUR BIG BOX AND ANTICIPATED HEADQUARTERED FACILITY FOR A NATIONAL COMPANY AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. SO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING A CERTAIN LOOK FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE BELIEVE NEEDS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
SO IT'S AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE AMENDING IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING. PAUL PELOSI IS MY NAME A PRINCIPAL ZONES DEVELOPMENT, ONE OF THE FOUNDING GROUPS FOR THE EMERALD LAKES PROJECT HEADQUARTERED IN SAINT PETE AT 102ND AVENUE NORTH.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE. THANKS FOR HEARING ME OUT TONIGHT.
LET THIS OLD FART SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
HE'S NO LONGER WITH US, BUT IT'S A VISION THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
WE CONTRIBUTED MONEY AND EFFORT TO TRY TO HELP GET THAT INTERCHANGE APPROVED.
FAST FORWARD FROM 2006 TO 2013, WE WENT THROUGH A BUNCH OF CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY, IN THE MARKET, IN THE AREA. BUT IN 2013, WE FOUND A WAY TO ASSEMBLE 1600 ACRES AROUND THE SITE THAT WAS PEGGED FOR THE INTERCHANGE AND HELPED TAKE THAT EFFORT THROUGH TO COMPLETION IN ORDER TO GET THE INTERCHANGE APPROVED AND BUILT.
WE BOUGHT THE LAND. WE CONTRIBUTED LAND TO THE CITY.
WE CONTRIBUTED OVER $1 MILLION IN CASH TO THE CITY TO HELP WITH THAT EFFORT.
IN ADDITION TO THE $2.5 MILLION OF IN-KIND PRODUCT.
AND THAT STARTED A VERY STRONG COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE BEEN PROUD OF EVER SINCE.
THE CITY HAS BEEN GREAT WITH US WORKING TO FINE TUNE THE ENTITLEMENTS FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
AND OUR VISION WAS TO CREATE A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.
AS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
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SOME OF THESE BIG BOX USERS AND CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS.AND THAT BECAME THE HARD PART OF THE MARRIAGE WHERE THE PARTNERS HAD TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE HELP EACH OTHER GET THROUGH THIS? AND IT WAS A TOUGH TIME FOR EVERYBODY. THE CITY WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE UTILITIES THAT WE HAD BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THEY WOULD, AND WE LOOKED AT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? WE FOUND A WAY TO COMMIT $12.5 MILLION TO BRING UTILITY LINES DOWN FROM THE PLANT TO OUR PROJECT, BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE NOT JUST US, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE AREA AS WELL.
AND WE NOW HAVE THREE ANCHOR USERS READY TO MOVE FORWARD TO BUILD OVER 800,000FT² OF RETAIL AND CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS FACILITY, ROUGHLY 1000 JOBS, AND SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PLACE THE DESTINATION THAT WE HAD ENVISIONED AND THAT WE SEE AS THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY AND CHALLENGE TO TO FULFILL THE VISION THAT MY PARTNER HAD 20 YEARS AGO.
IT'S JUST A BLESSING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE.
WE KNOW HOW TO OVERCOME. THE OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS TO KICK OFF THIS NEXT STEP, TO BRING IN EVERYTHING BEHIND THOSE THREE ANCHOR USERS.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET THEM IN PLACE AND THEN NEVER SELL ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT UP FRONT? NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT UP FRONT, BUT PERHAPS FOR THE TEAM. SURE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
ARE WE GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE? IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? OH, GOOD.
YOU WANT IT FULL SCREEN? I'M OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I'M GOING TO START THE CLOCK. WE WON'T BE LONG, I PROMISE.
JUST. PAUL DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE COMMERCIAL IS SUPPORTING IF AMENDMENT THREE GETS PASSED, FOR EXAMPLE THIS IS COMMERCIAL. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY AMENDMENT THREE.
SO QUICK OVERVIEW. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A DECADE NOW.
EXCITED. VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION.
THE FIRST DAY THERE WAS A BULLDOZER OUT THERE.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT FINALLY ARRIVED. THE FIVE MILES THAT THEY'RE EXTENDING UTILITIES RIGHT NOW, GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, GOING TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM IT, AND EVEN IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PAST HERE, THAT OVERSIZE THE UTILITIES TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE WHOLE REGION.
AND THE CITY COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO IT. SO THEY FOUND A WAY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'RE EVEN MAKING MAJOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS.
THE HUGE, HUGE DITCHES YOU SEE ON THE SIDE OF BABCOCK STREET PIPING THOSE AGAIN, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF COST TO JUST MAKE THE CORRIDOR ALL BE BETTER FOR DRAINAGE AND THE UTILITIES. SO QUICKLY, THE OVERALL PROJECT.
ALL FOUR QUADRANTS OF THE I-95 INTERCHANGE 1575 ACRES OF THAT, WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED 3700 DWELLING UNITS. THAT MEANS ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, MIXED USE, SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOMES, MULTIFAMILY AND MARKET HAS EVOLVED TREMENDOUSLY SINCE THAT TIME, AND THAT FLEXIBILITY IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL.
WE HAVE TWO POINT 8,000,000FT² APPROVED OF NONRESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL IN ANY COMMERCIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USE. THAT AGAIN, BRINGS TAX BASES AND JOBS, OVER 600 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND PRESERVATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU JUST DON'T SEE ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
IN THIS AT ALL IN THESE TYPES OF HUGE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
SO TONIGHT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR OR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO VOTE FOR IS BASICALLY THIS SLIDE.
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IT IS THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY AS PART OF THE PROJECT FROM THE I-95 INTERCHANGE, AND IT'S A TOTAL OF 328 ACRES.IT'S 652 DWELLING UNITS. SO WE'RE ABOUT TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CRAM A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL INTO THIS AREA IN THIS PROJECT AT ALL.
AND THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT HAS 115 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
WE'VE WORKED VERY COOPERATIVELY AND COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY.
THEY PROVIDED YEARS AND YEARS AGO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY.
MR. FILIBERTO WAS ON COUNCIL BACK THEN AND APPROVED IT, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
AND ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL LAND FOR THE STORMWATER STORMWATER TREATMENT OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY BUILD THE STORMWATER, MAINTAIN IT, AND TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF THE CITY.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL LET BRENDA GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. SHE'S BEEN ON THE PROJECT FOR TWO DECADES.
ALMOST. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, BRENDA YATES. YATES AND COMPANY.
I'M PLANNING PLANNER ON THE PROJECT. 6045, SOUTHWEST, 64TH PLACE.
SO ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE, WHICH ALETHIA GAVE A GOOD PRESENTATION ON, WAS JUST SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, UTILITIES THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND CONCURRENCY THAT WORK WITH THE CITY.
SO IN TRANSPORTATION WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE FOUR PHASES, AS WAS ON THE OTHER PLAN THAT SHE HAD SHOWED EARLIER FOR UTILITIES, AS JAKE MENTIONED, WATER, WASTEWATER FORCEMAIN EXTENSIONS, A FORUM EAST OF I 95 ALL THE WAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING OVER UNDER BORING UNDER 95.
YES. ALL THE WAY UP TO GET TO THE EAST AND THEN DOWN SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY, WHICH WILL SERVE EVERYTHING IN THE SOUTH INCLUDING WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS AND BOOSTER PUMPS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED DURING ENGINEERING DESIGN WHEN WE DO EACH SITE PLAN.
WE HAVE ONE ACTUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE CALLED R SIX THAT WE'VE OFFERED TO THE CITY TO LOOK AT CREATING A FIRE POLICE STATION COOPERATIVELY AND ALSO SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT IF THEY ARE REQUESTING, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TOGETHER ON ANY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE FUTURE SITES OR BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED FOR THE SCHOOL.
THE RECREATION OPEN SPACE AGAIN, OUT OF THE 600 ACRES, WE DO HAVE 115 ACRES ON THIS SITE.
THE ONES ON THE EAST WILL PROBABLY BE DOING THE SAME THING.
THEY ARE UNDER THE PERMITTING FOR THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN ALREADY IN PLACE. WE ALSO WITH THAT, WE ALSO DID INCLUDE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS AS WELL AS SHARED USE PATHS ALONG SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY FOR BE ABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL AND TO VISIT THOSE SITES.
LAST ITEM IS JUST ON THE ESTIMATED IMPACT FEES.
PARK 693, POLICE 656 AND TRANSPORTATION OVER $11 MILLION WITH A YEARLY PROPERTY TAX FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY, A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION. BUILD OUT AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE EAST, OF COURSE, FOR THE WEST.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IF WE TOTAL THE PROJECT ALMOST $80 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES.
SO AS WE BUILD RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL, THOSE IMPACT FEES COME IN FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND SUMMARY LAST SUMMARY IS WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF THE EMERALD LAKES RACK, THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND OF COURSE, THE ZONING. SO THOSE APPROVALS ARE WHAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH FOR LEGAL PURPOSES 2018 5220 1855 ORDINANCE 20 1817, THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WATER AND WASTEWATER SEWER MASTER AGREEMENT, AND THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, WHICH WE DO AMEND FROM TIME TO TIME.
IF STAFF REQUIRES US TO ADD SOMETHING FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.
NEXT WILL BE PETE VAN WARNER, THE PROJECT MANAGER.
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I ALSO WANT TO THANK ALTHEA AND JASON AND THE TEAM FOR, FOR GETTING US TO THIS POINT.THIS HAS BEEN YEARS AND YEARS OF WORK AND AND THANK YOU, TIM AND UTILITIES AND JUST CHIEF STOVER AND JUST EVERYONE WHO'S HELPED US GET TO THIS POINT. IT'S BEEN A TRULY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
AS BRENDA SAID A MOMENT AGO, THAT THESE 11 I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THIS.
OH, AM I GOING THE WRONG WAY? SORRY. THIS $11.3 MILLION OF IMPACT FEES.
THIS IS JUST FOR THIS COMPONENT OF THE SITE. OVERALL, WE'RE ESTIMATED AT $82 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES.
AND AS PAUL SAID, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THIS AS A SOCIO ECONOMIC HUB.
THIS IS NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS NOT JUST COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE SEEING THIS AS A COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE CAN REALLY, YOU HEAR LIVE, WORK, PLAY.
AND IT'S FRANKLY A LITTLE OVERPLAYED SOMETIMES.
I WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE UPDATES WE HAVE.
THIS HAS BEEN A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING. LOST SLEEP OVER IT, BUT WE ARE ALMOST THERE.
WE ARE ROUGHLY 90% COMPLETE. JUST WRAPPING UP AT THE BABCOCK AND SAINT JOHNS INTERSECTION, THE NORTHWEST LOOP ROAD, WHICH AS YOU CAN, WE KIND OF DIVIDE IT BY FOUR QUADRANTS NORTH NORTH OF SAINT JOHNS AND EITHER EAST OR WEST OF I-95.
THAT NORTHWEST LOOP ROAD IS 90% CLEARED WITH UTILITIES GOING IN NOW.
AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST ROADS AND HOME PADS ARE GRADED AND YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THESE OTHER UPDATES.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE HOMES ACTUALLY GOING IN RIGHT NOW.
AND FRANKLY, THE CONSTRUCTION QUALITY HAS IMPRESSED ME AND I'M KIND OF A STICKLER ON CONSTRUCTION.
HERE'S SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE HOMES. JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME UPDATE PHOTOS.
AND AS PAUL MENTIONED, WE ARE RIGHT THERE AT THE FINISH LINE WITH THREE MASSIVE COMMERCIAL USERS WHO WILL BRING JOBS AND TAX REVENUE TO, TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY. SO ONCE THOSE THREE CLOSE, I MEAN, IT'S OFF TO THE RACES WITH ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND THE RETAIL AND EVERYTHING THAT WE KEEP HEARING THE RESIDENTS WANT. HERE'S MY CONTACT INFO AGAIN.
PETE VAN WARNER. SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AT ANY POINT.
ALSO, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE EVERYONE JUST PERIODIC UPDATE PHOTOS OR VISIT THE SITE ALL THE TIME.
SO HAPPY TO HELP AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU HAVE ONE MORE STILL SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, FROM LENOR. AND SHE WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING.
NO THAT'S FINE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND DO SO NOW. YOU GET YOUR SHOT AGAIN.
DON'T WORRY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE IT FOR THE APPROVAL.
ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PROJECT, PLEASE DO SO.
ALL RIGHT, COME ON UP. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I'VE BEEN AGAINST THE EMERALD LAKE DEVELOPMENTS THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE IDEA THAT WHEN IT FIRST STARTED COMING TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY I STARTED AGAINST ALL OF THIS WAS I DID NOT LIKE THE CITY EXPANDING WHERE IT DID NOT HAVE THE FINANCIAL CAPABILITIES TO MAINTAIN THE ADDITIONAL LAND MASS AND POPULATION. THAT'S WHY I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST EMERALD LAKES.
THAT STATEMENT BEING MADE, THIS DEVELOPER BY BILL BATTEN'S STANDARD, HAS BEEN THE ONLY DEVELOPER THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED UP FRONT, DID WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO AHEAD OF TIME AND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, WE'LL JUST TAKE IT BY IMPACT FEES LATER.
THEY KNOW ME. I HAVE ALL THE ORIGINAL PLANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT CAME FROM THIS PROJECT.
I'M STILL LOOKING THOUGH, FOR THE HOTEL WITH THE WATER WATER PARK, RIGHT? THAT BEING SAID, I'M ALSO LEERY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT PLANNING IN ANY OF THESE PHASES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING NOW OF NOT CONNECTING TO MECO ROAD, WHICH IS A PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION ROUTE THAT GOES IN, THEY'RE GOING TO STOP BEFORE THEY REACH MECCA ROAD.
IT'S A MAJOR HINDRANCE. THAT'S HOW I SEE THAT.
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BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BENEFITING THE CITY, PER SE.AND I WANT TO BENEFIT THE CITY OF PALM BAY. IMPACT FEES FROM THAT AREA ARE GOING TO BE GENERATED BETWEEN COUNTY AND THE AND THE CITY, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN COUNTY, CITY, AND THE DEVELOPER THAT ALL THE IMPACT FEES WERE GOING TO BENEFIT, PARTICULARLY THAT AREA. AND I DON'T SEE AN EQUAL PORTION SPLIT IN THAT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS I'VE BEEN ATTENDING.
RIGHT. THE OTHER ANOTHER ITEM THAT BRINGS UP ON THIS ONE WAS I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.
THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE LATE CONTRIBUTE LAND FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE'LL HAVE LAND THERE, BUT NOTHING TO PUT THE FIRES OUT TO START ON IN EMERALD LAKES.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT COINCIDES WITH THIS ONE IS THE FACT THAT WE ALSO HAVE LOTUS PALM AND ASTON PARK, WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, SOUTH AND EAST, WHICH IS ALL MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'VE TRIED TO DO FOR THE CITY, AND THEY'VE TRIED TO STICK TRUE TO THEIR WORDS, AND THEY DIDN'T JUST BUILD THE HOMES AND SAY, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT LATER.
THE LEAST THEY TRIED AHEAD OF TIME TO GET US THERE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. WELL, BRING IT BACK TO THE APPLICANT WITH THE APPLICANT. LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU.
I WOULD FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK BILL FOR THE COMPLIMENT.
THEY'RE VERY RARE AND MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU.
BILL AND BILL'S GOT SOME GOOD POINTS. THE EXTENSION OF THE SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY TO THE EAST ROAD IS AN IMPORTANT AND INTEGRAL PART OF THE FUTURE OF THAT AREA. IT'S ONE THAT THE CITY WASN'T ABLE TO DO BASED ON THE AGREEMENTS WE HAD HAVE MANY YEARS AGO, WE RECOGNIZE THAT CITIES ARE GOING TO NEED SOME HELP TO GET THAT DONE. WE ARE LOOKING TO THE OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE NEVER FULFILLED THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO US, TO SHARE IN THE COST, YET TO PICK UP THE BALL WHERE WE'RE LEAVING IT OFF, AND HOPE THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TO BRING THE ROAD DOWN TO THEIR PROJECTS. THE CITY KNOWS US AND KNOWS THAT WE STAND READY TO HELP IF THE HELP IS NEEDED.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE OTHERS CONTRIBUTE THEIR FAIR SHARE FIRST.
AS FAR AS THE FIRE, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WORKING WITH THE CITY.
WE HAVE A SITE THAT WE THINK IS A GOOD SITE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING A TURNKEY LEASE.
BUILD THE SUIT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET IN THERE.
AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. WE'VE PROVEN THAT, I THINK, WITH OUR TRACK RECORD, AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO PROVE THAT TO EVERYBODY WITH WHAT WE DO DAY TO DAY. THANK YOU. AND THANKS AGAIN, BILL.
I HAVE A QUESTION AND A STATEMENT. QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU SAY NO TO A BEAUTIFUL 20 YEAR OLD DREAM? I HOPE YOU DON'T WANT ANY ANSWER. AND THE STATEMENT IS, I BELIEVE YOU'RE PAUL.
I BELIEVE YOUR PARTNER IS LOOKING DOWN ON YOU AND VERY PROUD OF YOU CARRYING IT THROUGH.
SURE, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. MR. WEISS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I DO APPRECIATE THE TREE PRESERVATION YOU DID HERE PUTTING AWAY 30% FOR TREES.
YOU AND I HAVE WORKED A LOT IN THE SOUTHEAST REGION OF PALM BAY ASHTON PARK EMERALD LAKES.
I WANTED TO HARP A LITTLE BIT ON THE SCHOOLS.
I KNOW STAFF ADVISED THAT WE HAVE CONCURRENCY, BUT THERE'S A LINE HERE IN THE SCHOOL REPORT THAT SAYS AT THIS TIME, SUNRISE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SOUTHWEST MIDDLE SCHOOL AND BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL ARE NOT PROJECTED TO HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. GOOD MEMORY.
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AND I KNOW THEY'RE REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT. SO SHE'S NODDING. GOOD. SO THAT WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR EMERALD LAKES WAS TO NOT RELY ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, NOT TO RELY ON ANYONE ELSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE SCHOOL CAPACITY THAT WAS NEEDED.NOW PALM BAY POINT WEST DIRECTLY WEST OF HERE ON BABCOCK STREET.
THEY'RE DONATING A SCHOOL SITE FOR A SCHOOL THERE.
THANK YOU. SO ALTHOUGH THIS STAFF REPORT SAYS THIS, THE STAFF REPORT IS CURRENT.
AND THIS THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL REPORT IS CURRENT.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF KAREN WANTS TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT, BUT UNTIL THE CHARTER IS APPROVED, WE DON'T GET CREDIT TO HAVE THE SCHOOL CAPACITY AVAILABLE.
THE LENNAR PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE THEIR SCHOOL CAPACITY AND OUR APPLICATION WAS SPECIFIC THAT YOU'RE READING RIGHT NOW TO THE 652 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF KAREN WANTS TO COME UP AND SAY A COUPLE WORDS OR.
IF NOT, SORRY. YEAH. NOW YOU'RE ON THE SPOT. WHICH CHARTER SCHOOL DO YOU REPRESENT? I'M KAREN BLACK, I'M THE MANAGER OF FACILITIES PLANNING, BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I'VE MET MOST OF YOU.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ADJOINING SCHOOL BOUNDARIES.
IN THIS CASE TWO THINGS I WANT TO SAY. ONE, IT GENERATES 118 STUDENTS.
SO THE NEW STATE LAW SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER CHARTER SCHOOLS AS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO NOW WE DO OUR OUR REVIEW A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WHERE WE CAN INCLUDE A TABLE THERE THAT TAKES THE PERCENTAGE OUT, THAT IS CURRENTLY LEAVING US TO GO TO A CHARTER.
SO IN SUNRISE BOUNDARY, WE'RE LOSING FOR SUNRISE ELEMENTARY.
WE'RE LOSING ABOUT 22%. SO WE TAKE 22% OF THOSE STUDENTS CALCULATED FOR THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE WE DO THE ANALYSIS BASED ON THAT REDUCED NUMBER.
SO THAT WAY YOU'RE GETTING CREDIT FOR THE CHARTER PARTICIPATION.
NOW THAT THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS ALSO A THIS PARTICULAR PHASE IS MULTIFAMILY.
MULTIFAMILY GENERATES FAR LESS STUDENTS THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
AT LEAST CURRENTLY IT DOES. NOW WE RELOOK AT OUR STUDENT GENERATION MULTIPLIER RATES EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND WE'RE PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO LOOKING AT REEVALUATING THAT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, OUR ENROLLMENT IS ALSO DECLINING, WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE OF SCHOOL CHOICE.
SO THAT'S COMING UP THIS FRIDAY WILL BE OUR FINAL COUNT FOR THE YEAR.
AND IT'S OUR FINAL COUNT, BUT IT'S OUR OFFICIAL FALL COUNT.
THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT WE USE FOR THE REST OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.
AND THAT WILL BE THE STUDENT MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS THAT WE USE TO MAKE OUR PROJECTIONS.
EXCELLENT. OKAY, SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I COULD NOT FIT THESE STUDENTS TO 118 STUDENTS.
IT WAS 72 ELEMENTARY, 13 MIDDLE AND 33 HIGH. THAT'S TOTAL.
THAT INCLUDES THE PERCENTAGE THAT WILL GO TO CHARTER.
COULD NOT FIT THOSE IN SUNRISE OR BAYSIDE, SOUTHWEST OR BAYSIDE.
SO I HAVE TO BASED ON THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, LOOK AT THE ADJOINING SCHOOLS.
I WAS ABLE TO FIND CAPACITY AT COLUMBIA ELEMENTARY, STONE AND PALM BAY HIGH.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S APPROVED. I UNDERSTOOD AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED.
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ETC.? THESE THESE PROJECTED SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO COME IN THE FUTURE. DO NOT.YEAH, OKAY. OUR CAPACITY ONLY INCLUDES WHAT IS EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY US ALREADY OR OR APPROVED. THIS CHARTER SCHOOL IS. THE APPLICATION IS UNDER REVIEW WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO IT'S NOT APPROVED. SO IT IS NOT COUNTED. SO THAT WILL GIVE US ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
BEING POSSIBILITIES. AND THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY TO HAPPEN.
YES. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. JUST.
JAKE SHOWED YOU THE SITE THAT WE'D ALWAYS FIGURED WOULD BE A GOOD SITE FOR A SCHOOL. WE WERE APPROACHED BY A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY THAT WANTED TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO BUY THAT SITE AND PUT A SCHOOL IN THERE. WE SAID, THANK YOU, BUT NO.
THEY CAME BACK TWO MORE TIMES, INCREASING THE OFFER EACH TIME WE SAID THANK YOU, BUT NO.
AND THE REASON WE SAID NO IS WE WANT TO GIVE LOCAL OPERATORS A CHANCE TO BE THERE INSTEAD.
AND WE'VE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL OPERATOR ON THE BASIS OF.
WE'LL DO A TURNKEY LEASE, WE'LL DO A LAND LEASE.
WE'LL MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU. WE WANT THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY TO TO BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NOT SOMEBODY OUT OF NEW YORK THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER TIES HERE.
THANK YOU. THANKS. ALL RIGHT, BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
IS THERE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FD26-0001.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND TO SECOND.
I'LL SECOND IT. JUST TO START DISCUSSION. I MEAN, THEY CHECK ALL THE BOXES.
THE TRANSPORTATION IS GOOD. SCHOOLS IS GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. WISE AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM, FOR BRINGING ATTENTION TO OUR SCHOOLS HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY AND IN PALM BAY.
AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE THAT AND MORE. SO I'M 100% FOR IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY, THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY THIS TIME BECAUSE I'M STILL WONDERING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ONE ACRE TO THREE ACRES OR THE FIVE ACRE HOME SITES IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET ANY OF THAT.
SO SINCE I GOT THE SINCE I GOT THE BIG BOSSES SITTING HERE, I WAS LIKE, MAN, MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME TO FINALLY GET THIS, GET THIS ANSWER OR, OR A GREATER CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE AND YOU DESERVE I'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
HE'S BEEN ON THIS BOARD LONGER THAN I HAVE. WE DON'T, UNFORTUNATELY, DON'T SEE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. I LOVE THE IDEA, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE PRESERVATION LAND THAT WE WE BOTH ACQUIRED AND CREATED.
WE'RE ALREADY EXPLORING THAT AND I LOVE THE IDEA AS WELL.
THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I LIKE THE PROJECT.
GETTING TRAFFIC OFF OF MALABAR IS ALSO SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO SEE.
AND IF THE PARKWAY GETS FINISHED, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE MORE OF THAT HAPPEN.
I ALSO LIKE THE THE SELF-CONTAINED UNIT. I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T TELL US WHO THE ANCHORS ARE, BUT NOW YOU'VE GOT ME WONDERING. SO I REALLY HOPE THAT WORKS OUT WELL FOR YOU GUYS.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FD260001 INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOVING ON TO OTHER BUSINESS. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BYLAWS.
[OTHER BUSINESS:]
IS THIS THE TIME? MR. CHAIR, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO SOUND NUTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.AND I FULLY KNOW AND I'M AWARE THAT'S BEEN TABLED TWICE ALREADY.
POSSIBLY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE SHOULD LEAVE IT I AGREE. WE'LL COME BACK TO IT HOPEFULLY AT OUR NOVEMBER MEETING.
YES. SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO NOVEMBER MEETING.
SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION MADE AND SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE.
[01:10:03]
ANY OPPOSED? NO. ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THAT I SEE NO OTHER OTHER BUSINESS ON THE SHEET.AND SO WE WILL CALL THIS OCTOBER 7TH MEETING CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.