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WELCOME, EVERYONE TO THE CITIZEN ACCOUNTABILITY TASK FORCE.
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THE. THURSDAY, OCTOBER 8TH, 2026. CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.AND THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS FOR THE ROLL CALL.
OH, YEAH. THERE WE GO. SORRY, SIR. WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THE DOOR FOR THE NOISE.
GOTCHA. YES. MR. STEIN. I'M HERE. MISS MRS CRANDALL HERE.
MR. FELIX IS EXCUSED. CHAIR STORY HERE, MR. GOMM HERE.
MR. BUTERA AND MR. ADANTE HERE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THE OH, I WAS MISSING THE. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING ME ABOUT THE THE PLEDGE. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT FOR THE PLEDGE AND ASK MR. STEIN TO LEAD US. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THE FIRST NEXT ITEM IS ADOPTION OF MEETING MINUTES.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES:]
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 10TH, A MOTION FOR MOTION, AND SECOND BY MISS. MISS TRIMBLE. AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.VOTE TO ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY. PASSES UNANIMOUS. UNANIMOUSLY.
NEW BUSINESS PRESENTATION OF THE BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND AND OPERATION BALANCE.
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OPERATING BALANCE. YES. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND BOARD.THIS EVENING VIA TEAMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MR. WILLIAMS. HE IS ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS FOR THE CITY, AND HE IS GOING TO REVIEW FOR YOU THE BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND. AND I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
MR. WILLIAMS, YOU CAN SHARE. WAKEY WAKEY, MR. WILLIAMS. YOU CAN SHARE NOW. GREAT. CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SCREEN? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. READY FOR ME TO TAKE IT AWAY? YES, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION.
I'M JOE WILLIAMS FROM RAF TELLUS, AND WE ARE PERFORMING THE BUILDING FEE STUDY FOR THE CITY CURRENTLY AND WITH END OF YEAR JUST END OF FISCAL YEAR JUST HAPPENING.
WE HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY FINANCIAL INFORMATION FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THEY THEY DID A REBATE REFUND TO PERMIT HOLDERS IN TWO YEARS AGO, FISCAL YEAR 2025.
AND THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN FUNDING THE NEW THE NEW BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY HOUSED ON THE CITY HALL CAMPUS. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY FROM THE BUILDING FUND.
AND WE'RE IN A POSITION OF HAVING SOME EXCESS FUNDING.
SO THESE ACTIONS WERE TAKEN TO HELP MITIGATE THAT.
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT THAT HAS BEEN LARGELY SUCCESSFUL.
SO THESE ARE ESTIMATED UNAUDITED FISCAL YEAR 26 AND BALANCE SHEET FIGURES.
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AND WE'VE REALLY SUMMARIZED IT HERE AND BROKEN IT DOWN INTO TWO PRIMARY CATEGORIES.SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE CHART, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, THERE'S ABOUT $8.6 MILLION IN WHAT WE WOULD PRESENT AS GENERALLY BEING CASH AVAILABLE CURRENT ASSETS. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE ON THE LEFT, CASH AND INVESTMENTS, LESS CURRENT CURRENT LIABILITIES. SO NET CURRENT ASSETS, CASH.
AND NOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A BUILDING INVESTMENT THERE, THERE'S KIND OF SOME NEWER LINE ITEMS ON THE BALANCE SHEET FROM WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY RELATED TO THESE CAPITAL ASSETS. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 8.6 MILLION IN CASH, ANOTHER 8.6 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND LIMITATIONS FOR BUILDING FUNDS, THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE CASH ACCUMULATION. SO WE'VE WE'VE GONE FROM PRIOR YEARS WHERE WE UNDERSTAND THERE WAS MAYBE 17 TO $20 MILLION OF CASH, AND WE'VE GOTTEN IT DOWN TO A POINT. THE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS GOTTEN IT DOWN TO A POINT OF ABOUT $8.5 MILLION.
WE'VE RECENTLY JUST GOT INVOLVED WITH A RATE STUDY.
SO DETERMINATION OF ALLOWABLE RESERVES. WE LOOKED AT HISTORICAL EXPENDITURES OF THE DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR YEAR HISTORY THERE. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE FISCAL YEAR 2026 YET.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THAT 8.5 OR $8.6 MILLION.
SO AGAIN, STILL THERE IS STILL AN OVERAGE MUCH SMALLER THAN IT USED TO BE.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS MADE HERE. AND BRIEF UPDATE ON THE RATE STUDY.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING THE PERCENTAGE OF VALUATION FOR THE INSPECTION FEES ANYMORE.
THEY HAVE TO BE TIED MORE TO ACTUAL COST. AND GIVEN THE FINANCIAL POSITION AS IT STANDS NOW, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO TO BE SETTING FEES ULTIMATELY BELOW THE FULL COST OF SERVICE TO HELP SPEND DOWN THAT BALANCE AND GET US BACK INTO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH WHERE THE AVERAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAT'S A BRIEF UPDATE. I THINK IT'S A VERY POSITIVE UPDATE BASED ON THE HISTORY OF THE, OF THE BUILDING FUND AND REALLY SHOWS THAT THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS GETTING BACK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CASH RESERVES AND NOW WITH PERFORMING THE RATE STUDY TO HAVE NEW RATES BASED ON THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICE.
HI, THOMAS. IS HE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPOSAL I PUT FORWARD? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY. WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT FOR A DRAWDOWN IS TO ELIMINATE PERMIT FEES FOR HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES, FOR MECHANICAL REPLACEMENT, ROOF REPLACEMENTS AND STORM HARDENING IN ORDER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DRAWDOWN. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? IF IF THAT'S A POLICY THAT THE CITY IS, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN PURSUING, I, I DON'T SEE A SPECIFIC ISSUE WITH IMPLEMENTING THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, POLICY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO HELP WITH THE FEE REDUCTIONS.
SO YEAH, NOTHING JUMPS OUT TO ME TO BE LIKE A, A MAJOR CONCERN WITH THAT TYPE OF APPROACH.
AND ONE OTHER QUESTION WHEN THEY DID THE DRAWDOWN FOR THE NEW BUILDING E.
THE WAY THEY DID THAT IS NO LONGER ALLOWED UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? THAT IS TRUE. IF THEY WERE GOING TO PURSUE THAT NOW WITH THE EXCESS
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FUNDS, IT WOULD. YEAH, IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT ALL HAPPENED PRIOR TO WHEN THAT STATUTE TOOK EFFECT.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND I WELL, ONE, ONE KIND OF CAVEAT THERE IS THE LIMITATION ON SPENDING, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE A BUILDING THAT WAS REMOVED WITH SIX I THINK IT WAS HOUSE BILL 1614.
IT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE EXCESS RESERVES. SO IF THE CITY'S BACK INTO COMPLIANCE AND HAS, SAY, $7 DOLLARS AND THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR ALLOWABLE LIMIT.
THAT MONEY COULD, IN THEORY, BE USED FOR BUILDING OR BUILDING UPGRADE TYPE ACTIVITIES.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. NO PROBLEM.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU EVERYONE. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. ALL RIGHT.
YES. THANK YOU CHAIR. THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT YOU DISCUSSED AND ASKED US TO BRING BACK LAST MONTH.
I ALSO HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING, MR. SCOTT STAFFORD HERE TO MY LEFT.
THAT'S THE DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL. AND HE CAN ALSO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS MIGHT WE MIGHT HAVE IF ANY, ARISE. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION RESILIENCY AND REPAIR PERMIT FEE.
THAT'S A BUNCH OF WORDS. THIS PROPOSAL ORIGINATED WITH THE TASK FORCE INTEREST IN HELPING PALM BAY HOMEOWNERS MAINTAIN, REPAIR AND STRENGTHEN THEIR HOMES BY REDUCING CERTAIN PERMITTING COSTS.
SINCE OUR INITIAL DISCUSSION, STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE POTENTIAL PROGRAM, INCLUDING WHICH PERMITS WOULD QUALIFY THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADMINISTER IT. I'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE FINDINGS THIS EVENING AND DISCUSS THE NEXT STEPS FOR MOVING THE PROGRAM FORWARD.
YOUR ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS A RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THE FOCUS WAS ON IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO RESILIENCY, REPAIRS AND HARDENING.
STAFF REVIEWED FIVE PRIMARY AREAS ELIGIBLE PERMIT TYPES WHICH FEES THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RETAINS, POTENTIAL REVENUE IMPACTS, ADMINISTRATIVE WORKLOAD AND TECHNOLOGY REQUIREMENTS.
ONE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IS THAT WE WE DISCUSSED A TARGETED PROGRAM PROGRAM.
RATHER THAN ELIMINATING PERMIT FEES CITY WIDE.
STAFF IDENTIFIED SIX CATEGORIES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THE PROPOSED PROGRAM.
THESE INCLUDE REPLACING EXTERIOR DOORS, WINDOWS, EXTERIOR REMODELING, ROOF REPLACEMENTS, AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS AND RESIDENTIAL GENERATORS. EACH CATEGORY SERVES A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
THIS SLIDE GOES OVER THE PROGRAM DESIGN DESIGN.
SO STARTING WITH AN EVALUATION OF THE. IF THE IF THE PERMIT IS INDEED A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY IF THE WORK BEING REQUESTED, THE PERMIT BEING REQUESTED QUALIFIES FOR THE PROGRAM.
YOU HEARD THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON BUILDING PERMIT FEES, BUT THERE ARE OTHER FEES THAT COME WITH A BUILDING PERMIT, SUCH AS STATE SURCHARGES. SOMETIMES ZONING AND FLOOD, FLOODPLAIN REVIEWS AND NON ENTERPRISE FEES WOULD STILL APPLY.
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SO THE THE REDUCTION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO BUILDING ENTERPRISE BUILDING FUND ENTERPRISE FEES.CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK. YES SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CURRENT PERMIT FEES MAKE UP THOSE FEES THAT WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE? NEXT SLIDE. OF COURSE, IT'S ALWAYS THE NEXT SLIDE.
SORRY. IT MIGHT BE A COUPLE SLIDES BUT IT IS COMING UP.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IT'S 70%. 70% OF THE.
PERMITS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE ARE HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WOULD BE SOME FEES ASSOCIATED THAT ARE NOT BUILDING FUND RELATED.
THEY'RE MINIMAL THOUGH. HERE'S THE ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT.
AS YOU HEARD FROM MR. WILLIAMS, IS APPROXIMATELY 8.57 MILLION IN THE BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND.
THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL REVENUE TIED TO THOSE PERMITS IS ABOUT 825,000.
AND WITH 70% OF THOSE BEING FOR HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES ON OUR EVALUATION, WITH AN ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT OF 578,000. WE DID ALSO REVIEW FOR ADMINISTRATIVE WORKLOAD AND REQUIRE TECHNOLOGY.
WE ALL, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALREADY REVIEWS FOR HOME OWNERSHIP.
SO THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE. THEY'RE ALL VERY ALREADY VERIFY IT AND THERE'S MINIMAL WORK INVOLVED THERE.
WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE SOME DOCUMENTS RELATED TO, BUT AGAIN, VERY MINIMAL WORK.
SO ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, PRETTY SIMPLE PROGRAM TO OPERATE FOR YOU.
WE WOULD SUGGEST WE SPEND APPROXIMATELY $30,000 ON A ONE TIME I MS MODIFICATION.
I MS IS OUR PERMITTING PORTAL TO TO HELP US IDENTIFY AND TRACK THE PROGRAM PERMITS.
OF COURSE, THAT MONEY WOULD COME FROM THE BUILDING FUND ITSELF.
RIGHT. SO BUT THIS REDUCTION WOULD ALSO APPLY TO PRIVATE PROVIDERS.
LOOKING AT THE THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT ARE RECEIVING REDUCTION, WHAT THOSE PERMIT TYPES ARE.
SO WE CAN SEE WHICH CATEGORIES ARE DRIVING THE USE, THE TOTAL BUILDING PERMITS WAIVED.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS INTO THE CURRENT BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND AND THE REDUCTION OF IT.
WILL YOU KNOW, REPORT OUT THE CURRENT FUND BALANCE AT THE TIME OF THE PROGRAM MONITORING, AND THEN ANY OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT THAT MAY ARISE WILL REPORT BACK TO YOU AS WELL.
SO FINALLY I'M LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
YOU HEARD THE PROGRAM. I WON'T REPEAT IT AGAIN FOR YOU, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT I BRING BACK THE RESOLUTION TO YOU, FOR YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW BEFORE RETURNING IT, BRINGING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, OR WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION INCLUDING THIS OR ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS YOU HAVE.
AND AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. AND MY INTENT IS TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.
CAN WE ADD WATER HEATERS TO THE LIST? I'M GETTING A NOD.
JUST SOMETHING THAT I ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE. IT'S KIND OF A NECESSITY.
THANK YOU. ANY IDEA WHAT INTEREST IS ON THAT $8.5 MILLION FUND? NO, I DO NOT KNOW. I'M SURE THAT CHANGES, BUT I DID THINK ABOUT YOU.
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YOU KNOW, I YOU PROVIDED A DOCUMENT FOR YOUR BOARD AND US TO REVIEW.AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT INTEREST COMPONENT.
AND THE INTEREST COMPONENT IS PART OF THE, THE ENTERPRISE FUND ITSELF.
SO RIGHT NOW IT INCLUDES THOSE FUNDS AND IT WOULD ALWAYS INCLUDE THOSE FUNDS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO TIE IT TO AN INTEREST COMPONENT BECAUSE THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE FUND BALANCE AND THE 30 K THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE MS UPGRADE THAT COULD COME FROM THE DRAWDOWN FUNDS ALSO. RIGHT? CORRECT.
IF IT DOESN'T HELP THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE.
IF YOU'RE REFERRING BACK TO MR. WILLIAMS PRESENTATION, THAT IS A NEW NEW LAW THAT WE HAVE, THE RATE HAS TO MATCH THE COST TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
AND HAVE PAID FOR THOSE PERMITS ALL THESE YEARS.
AND NOW THAT THERE'S THAT SURPLUS, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES TO BENEFIT FROM IT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
MR.. CITIZEN'S COMMENT. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I HAD THREE QUESTIONS RELATING TO THIS TOPIC.
THE FIRST ONE WOULD ACCEPT THE MANDATORY SEPTIC UPGRADE THAT WE'RE FACING.
THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HAVING TO FACE. WOULD THAT FEE BUILDING PERMIT FEE BE INCLUDED? YOU KNOW, I'M I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SAFETY, IF IT'S HEALTH ENVIRONMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'D CLASSIFY IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
BUT I JUST PAID FOR IT. AND I KNOW IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE WAS, WOULD THERE POSSIBLY BE A SUNSET ON THIS POLICY? IF WE EVER GET TO THE POINT WHERE OUR BUDGET IS, I MEAN, WHERE OUR ENTERPRISE FUND IS CONSTANTLY BALANCED EVERY TIME? WOULD THERE BE A SUNSET ON THIS POLICY? ME AS A RESIDENT, I HOPE NOT.
BUT JUST IN CASE, IF IT WAS JUST BALANCING THE BUDGET, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT A CITY'S BUDGET.
AND THE THIRD QUESTION WAS HOW? IF THE HOMEOWNER IS THE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION THEMSELVES OR DOING THE UPGRADES, WILL THAT BE A DIFFERENT QUALIFICATION THAN HOME INSPECTION OR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HIRES A CONTRACTOR WHEN THEY HAVE THE SKILLS THEMSELVES.
THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE TWO OF THOSE AND THEN I'M GOING TO REFER TO THE EXPERT.
SO THE SEPTIC TANK REGULATIONS ARE BY THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THE FEE GOES DIRECTLY TO THEM. WE DO NOT HAVE A FEE RELATED.
WE DO NOT. SUN SETTING IS SOMETHING I THOUGHT ABOUT AS WELL.
AND I THINK I MIGHT DISAGREE THAT WE DO. WE WOULD NEED A SUNSET AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY NEED A SUNSET AT ONE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
BECAUSE IF OUR, IF OUR NEW FEE SCHEDULE WILL BE A MATCH OR LOWER.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THIS PROGRAM ON TOP OF IT.
EVENTUALLY WE WOULD RUN NEGATIVE, WHICH WOULDN'T WORK.
BUT I THINK IT'S GOT A PRETTY LONG ROAD AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS AND MAYBE THERE, THERE SHOULD BE AN EVALUATION POINT WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU'RE GOING TO GET QUARTERLY REPORTS.
YOU'LL SEE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THE BUILDING FUND AT THAT TIME.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO START ONE FROM ONE FROM THE BEGINNING, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE RETURN TO REGULAR FEES.
IF WE GET TO A POINT IN TIME WHERE WE THINK OUR, THE BALANCE, THE FUND BALANCE IS TOO LOW.
ONE OF THE REASONS YOU CARRY A FUND BALANCE, IF I MAY, CHAIR, ONE OF THE REASONS TO CARRY A FUND BALANCE IS IN THE EVENT OF A STORM AND THE STORM, YOU WAIVE ALL PERMIT FEES. AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T TAKE FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AGENCY THAT WE HAVE, IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG TO BURN THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S WHY THE THE LEGISLATURE ALLOWS US TO KEEP SUCH A LARGE BALANCE.
SO WE WANT TO MONITOR THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS WELL.
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AND THEN FOR THE THIRD QUESTION, I'M GOING TO ASK SCOTT TO ANSWER ON PERMITS FOR HOMEOWNERS PULLING THE PERMIT.GOOD EVENING. YES. SO OWNER BUILDERS ARE ALLOWED PER STATE STATUTE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HIRE A CONTRACTOR.
IF THEY DECIDE TO DO THE WORK THEMSELVES THEY'D STILL GET THE SAME DISCOUNT.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
VERY INFORMATIVE. IN RESPECT TO THE SUN SETTING A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT ALLOWING IT TO COME BACK LATER WITHOUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I'D BE OKAY WITH KEEPING IT IN PERPETUITY OR RECOMMENDING THAT IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE COST TO PEOPLE LATER, THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE VOTING ON OF WHAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK AS A FEE TO PEOPLE, AND TO WHAT EXTENT AND HOW MUCH THAT SHOULD BE.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A POLITICAL QUESTION THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE ANSWERING AT THE TIME, THAT WE BRING IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE TO IMPOSE UPON THEM FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. BUT MY ACTUAL QUESTION TO UNDERSTAND THE PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER WAS JUST TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IN RESPECT TO THESE FEES, HOW DID YOU, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE, THE LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD QUALIFY ARE DOORS, WINDOWS, ROOF. I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE SEPTIC. PROBABLY WOULDN'T IF IT'S FROM THE COUNTY.
ALTHOUGH DON'T LET ME SPEAK FOR YOU ON THAT. BUT BASICALLY, HOW WAS THAT DETERMINED? CAN WE, LIKE MAKE IT FOR EVERYTHING? FENCES. INSULATION.
LIKE TO WHAT EXTENT DO WE SAY WHAT IS AND ISN'T QUALIFYING EXPENSES? WELL, WE STARTED WITH THE LIST THAT THE TASK FORCE PROVIDED.
WE VERIFIED THE LIST OF WHAT COUNTS AS RESILIENCY OR WOULD BE CONSIDERED A RESILIENCY ITEM, WHICH WAS THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD. I, I SUPPOSE OTHER PERMIT TYPES COULD BE INCORPORATED BUT NOT IN PERPETUITY. I MEAN, REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A.
THERE'S NO GENERAL FUND IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S ENTIRELY FEE BASED. SO IT'S FEE BASED FOR A SERVICE.
THE SERVICE BEING PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A MATCHING REVENUE AND EXPENSE.
THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE SUNSET GO, COUNCIL CAN PUT THIS IN PLACE BY A SIMPLE VOTE AND THEY CAN TAKE IT AWAY BY A SIMPLE VOTE.
SO IF IT EVER COMES, A STORM COMES ALONG AND WE HAVE TO DRASTICALLY DRAW DOWN THE FUND.
I WOULD EXPECT IT TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL AND BE SUNSETTED AT THAT POINT.
YES. YES, SIR. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
SO MAYBE AS PART OF THAT EVALUATION, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OH, AS FAR AS WHEN I WAS TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT GOES ON THE LIST.
THOSE THOSE SHOULDN'T BE WAIVED WHEN YOU WEIGH THAT IMPACT AGAINST SOMEBODY TRYING TO PUT NEW WINDOWS IN THEIR HOUSE OR IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROGRAM LAST LONGER, IT WOULD ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO DO THE STORM HARDENING AND RESILIENCY PART OF IT.
SO THAT WAS VERY RUDIMENTARY LIST I PUT TOGETHER.
BUT THAT WAS THE INTENT IS I DIDN'T WANT LUXURY ITEMS TO BE EXEMPT.
THANKS. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. SO I MEAN, COULD WE ADD THINGS LIKE FENCES, ELECTRICAL WORK? I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IF THOSE REQUIRE PERMITS NECESSARILY.
I KNOW I PUT A FENCE IN THAT DID, BUT I MEAN THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THOSE HARDEN THE PROPERTY TO.
AND IF IT WAS JUST IF IT WAS A FIRST PASS THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE BUILDING.
AND PART OF HARDENING IS CHANGING OUT THOSE ALUMINUM PANELS.
YEAH. NON LUXURIOUS. YEAH. THAT'S THE INTENT.
AND THE MORE I AND WE GO BACK TO THE POINT, THE MORE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST, THE QUICKER DRAW DOWNS END UP BEING BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERY, EVERY ITEM THAT SOMEONE IS INSTALLING WINDOWS OR FENCE OR WHATEVER, IT'S A CITY RESOURCE GOING
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OUT TO VALIDATE. AND SO THE MORE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE NOT PULLING REVENUE FROM, THE QUICKER THE POTENTIAL DRAW DOWN YOU WOULD COME.THE BIG THING WAS, ESPECIALLY FROM A NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NORMALLY NOT.
WELL, I WOULD SAY IT'S NORMALLY NOT HOMESTEADED, BUT IF YOU'VE LIVED HERE AND YOU'RE MOVING FROM ONE TO THE NEXT, I GUESS IT CARRIES WITH YOU. BUT IT'S THE THE NET.
NEW FOLKS LIKE ME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHO GETS.
WELL, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THINGS I PUT ON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MADE IT THROUGH, WAS THAT IT'S ONLY FOR HOMES THAT ARE MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OLD, BECAUSE HOMES LESS THAN FIVE YEARS OLD ARE STILL UNDER WARRANTY.
AND I COULD CARE LESS IF THE WARRANTY HOLDER HAS TO PAY FOR A PERMIT OR NOT.
BUT DO WE HAVE A LIST OF WHAT PERMITS WE HAVE, OR THE WHOLE CITY GIVES OUT THAT WE CAN THEN CATEGORIZE AND SAY, THIS IS LUXURY AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE COUNTS AS NON LUXURIOUS? YEAH, WE COULD PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL THE PERMIT TYPES.
WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE, A FENCE PERMIT. THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT.
YES. YES, SIR. YEAH, WE HAVE PERMITTING PORTAL THAT MANY OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS USE TO MANAGE APPLICATIONS AND PERMITS. IT'S CALLED IMS AND YEAH OUR, WE BELIEVE WE MIGHT WANT TO UPGRADE IT A LITTLE BIT TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM SO WE CAN TRACK THE PROGRAM ITSELF, MAKE THE CHANGES THAT WILL MAKE IT AUTOMATIC RATHER THAN MANUAL.
IS THAT JUST YOUR JUST KIND OF BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT TENDS TO COST FOR THAT? OR DID YOU HAVE A QUOTE FROM A VENDOR FOR THAT OR.
IT'S A, IT'S A SINGLE SOURCE VENDOR. AND THE BUILDING DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL AND I DISCUSSED IT AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT REGULARLY GETS UPGRADES. SO IT'S PURELY AN ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S BASED ON SOME HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE HAD THEM WORK ON IF IT WOULD REGULARLY GET UPDATED, COULD THIS JUST BE ADDED TO THAT REGULAR ONE AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND THE EXTRA 30 GRAND? WELL, NO, IT REGULARLY GETS UPGRADED WITH COSTLY PROJECTS.
OH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, COOL. THANKS. ALL RIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE HOMESTEAD RESILIENCY AND REPAIR PROGRAM SUSTAINABILITY, AS PRESENTED AT OUR OCTOBER 26TH CAF MEETING.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE WATER HEATER? YES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SECOND. MISS TRIMBLE. ANY DISCUSSION ADDITIONS? IF MY ONLY THOUGHT IS JUST KIND OF WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, WHICH IS THAT IF WOULD WE BE BY ACCEPTING THE MOTION OR PUTTING IT, ARE THERE OTHER POTENTIALLY QUALIFYING PERMITS THAT WE WOULD BE EXCLUDING BY NOT INCLUDING IT IN THE MOTION AS IS? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. IT'S JUST A QUESTION. I THINK USING THE STATE'S GUIDELINES IS THE BEST TOOL BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY SET IN STONE SO THAT I CAN AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT.
IF JUDY WOULD LIKE TO RESCIND HER SECOND, I'LL AMEND THE MOTION AND THEN SHE CAN SECOND AGAIN.
ALL RIGHT. WE'D LIKE TO POTENTIALLY ADD ANOTHER SCOPE ITEM TO, TO THE AMENDMENT.
RIGHT. OKAY. THEN TO MY MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IT FOLLOWS STATE GUIDELINES FOR HARDENING.
HOME HARDENING IS THE TERM HOME HARDENING AND.
THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND BY.
MR.. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON HAND? ALL RIGHT. IF I HEAR NONE, WE'LL BRING IT TO A VOTE.
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ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY.PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. COULD I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? FORGIVE ME AGAIN. DID YOUR MOTION INCLUDE INFORMATION ON THE SUNSET? YAY OR NAY? WE DIDN'T PUT THE SUNSET IN IT BECAUSE AT ANY TIME, COUNCIL, AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION, CAN SUNSET IT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER THREE. DISCUSSION OF TASK FORCE WORK PLAN FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
YES. CHAIRMAN BOARD. ONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION, AND WE'LL PUT THAT TOGETHER, AND WE WILL BRING A RESOLUTION TO CITY COUNCIL AS SOON AS WE CAN FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. I HAD A AN IDEA SINCE THE LAST ITEM WAS PRETTY FAR ALONG THAT YOU MAY A WANT TO CONSIDER WHAT YOUR NEXT PROJECT IS? SO I LEFT THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECTS ON HERE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DISCUSS OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.
YOU'LL NOTICE I MOVED THE E-911 COMMUNICATIONS AND THE AQUATIC CENTER DOWN TO OLD UNFINISHED BUSINESS SO I CAN PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON CITY COUNCIL'S ACTIONS THAT OCCURRED SINCE SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE US SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOUR NEXT PROJECT WOULD BE, OR OR ANY OTHER TOPIC THAT THE TASK FORCE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FOR STAFF TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I DO HAVE ONE TOPIC THAT FROM A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, IF THERE'S WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING? WHAT, WHERE OUR, IF THERE'S ANY TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAMS ACTIVE OR BEING LOOKED AT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE BECAUSE AGAIN, ONE OF THE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES HERE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE HERE IN PALM BAY IS WE'RE VERY RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP TAX HEAVY AREA MUNICIPALITY. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING TO HELP MITIGATE AND BRING ADDITIONAL TAXES, OPPORTUNITIES, JOBS AND TAX REVENUE THROUGH EXPANSION OF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OR GO THROUGH TO BRING IN FUTURE MEETINGS? WELL, FROM THE LIST I'VE. I'VE DONE A LITTLE LEGWORK ON THE LOT MOWING.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAS PROBABLY HAD IT BEFORE AND SOLVED THE PROBLEM.
AND NOTHING SUCCEEDS LIKE COPYING SUCCESS. SO I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS ON THAT.
FUNDING AND ROAD MAINTENANCE, ALL THAT KIND OF FALLS UNDER REVENUE GENERATION.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE, MAYBE WE COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN THIS IS JUST AN IDEA.
SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING THE ROADS WIDENED SPECIFICALLY BABCOCK AND MALABAR ROAD.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH THAT.
THAT IS A HOT TOPIC ALWAYS. AND SO THAT COULD BE A AGAIN, WE HAVE ROAD MAINTENANCE, VACANT LOT MOWING, PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING. I PROVIDED A, A D ANOTHER TOPIC.
SO DEFINITELY AS WE ARE ANY OF THE TOPICS THAT WE WOULD BRING FORTH FROM A MEETING FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO, TO STAFF NOT THE BOARD, BUT THE STAFF TO PROVIDE QUESTIONS, UPDATES, TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ON THAT ARE PERTAINING TO THE, TO THE TOPICS WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN TO THE NEXT MEETING SO THEY CAN PREPARE AND AND ENTER INPUT.
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I HAVE ONE QUESTION IS FOR CONSIDERING FUTURE THINGS IS, YOU KNOW, THE ACCOUNTABILITY PART OF OUR TASK FORCE.AND IF WE NEGLECT THAT, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE FOUR WORDS OF OUR NAME.
ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS OUR SEVENTH MEETING.
I THINK MR. FELDMAN WAS WITH US FOR THE FIRST SIX.
SO WE'RE RELATIVELY YOUNG, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH A BUDGET CYCLE YET, BECAUSE THIS BUDGET WAS DONE BY THE TIME WE GOT UP TO SPEED.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING ON A WORK PLAN THAT INVOLVES SOME SORT OF US WORKING TOWARDS A SHARING OR, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING TOWARDS ACCOUNTABILITY.
HOWEVER WE MAY ENVISION THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S REVIEWING THE BUDGET FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE MAY WANT TO REVIEW IT FOR OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
OTHER, OTHER IDEAS. YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABILITY.
ARE WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, JUST THROWING IDEAS OUT THERE OR CAN WE DEVELOP INITIATIVES TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW ANTI-FRAUD COMPLIANCE AND BUSINESSES OR AMERICAN HIRING OR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN ENSURE WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER, LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE COULD ENVISION ACCOUNTABILITY AS REPRESENTING.
SO ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO IN OUR LIST SHOULD INVOLVE. THAT IS MY ONLY SUGGESTION.
WELL, AND I AND I BELIEVE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PIECES, BECAUSE ALL THE ALL THE ITEMS THAT THIS BOARD IS KIND OF LOOKING AT IS WHAT ROLLS UP INTO A, AN OVERALL CITY BUDGET. AND SO IF THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND LEADING UP TO THE ACTUAL BUDGETING PROCESS OF WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF, OF, OF EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? SO YEAH, THESE ARE EXERCISES OF ENLIGHTENMENT OF WHAT, WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN AND FUND EACH ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT. THEN THAT'S WHEN WE TRULY GET TO EXERCISE THE.
WE'RE A, WE'RE AN ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD. AND SO WE GET TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT POLITICIANS MAY NOT HAVE, GET, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LUXURY TO ASK AND TALK ABOUT SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING THE, THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT CAN HAPPEN AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
BRING THAT INTO FULL SCOPED REVIEW AND, AND DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN BRING UP TO THE BOARD.
SO TO HELP GIVE THEM MORE INSIGHT ON, ON WHAT WE AS A, AS AN ACCOUNTABLE, AS A, AS AN OVERSIGHT BOARD WOULD, WOULD BRING TO THEM TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A TOPIC THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, HERE'S A SUBJECT THAT WE NEED TO REALLY PUSH BACK ON.
SO YEAH, THIS, THESE, THESE ARE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF A I SAY TEDIOUS, BUT INFORMATIVE BITES, BUT PUT INTO A COLLECTIVE, IT GIVES EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD A VERY HIGH LEVEL, A GOOD, SOLID FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT FROM MONTH TO MONTH.
SO. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MR.. MR. BENTON. COMMENT FOR THIS? YEAH, WE'RE JUST TALKING BAD ABOUT YOU.
GO AHEAD. THAT'S OKAY. YOU WON'T BE THE FIRST PERSON, I PROMISE YOU.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
AFTER HEARING YOUR CONVERSATION, THE POTENTIAL NEW ITEMS TO BRING UP FOR DISCUSSION ON THE FIRST ONE OF THE TAX ABATEMENT FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT. REMEMBER THAT THAT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.
WE WANT TO BRING THE COMMERCIAL IN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE ROOFTOPS TO HAVE TO PAY.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEIR TAXES. IT'S A IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.
SO BE CAREFUL WITH THE SWING. I CAN TELL YOU SOME EXAMPLES WHERE WE ENDED UP LOSING.
AND THE CITY ALREADY HAS A TAX ABATEMENT GUIDELINES FOR THE COMPANIES THAT WANT TO USE TO USE IT, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL IN HERE THAT ALREADY DO.
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ABATEMENT SO WE DON'T BENEFIT ANYTHING OF THEIR COMMERCIAL PRESENCE.RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS GOING FOR YOURS FOR YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY TASKING RECOMMENDATION.
YOU TAKE THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT THE CITY JUST PASSED.
IT'S THERE. THAT'S THAT'S THE LATEST ONE YOU CAN HAVE.
AND FOR YOURSELF, JUST START LOOKING AT LINE ITEM REVIEW AND SEEING WHERE THINGS WERE GOING.
AND I'M, I'M NOT, I'M TALKING TO BUDGET THIS THICK.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT OH, WELL, HERE'S THE, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO HERE'S THE SILVER BULLET.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT A BORING READ. THERE YOU GO.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP THERE.
INPUT, OR HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT INPUT VERSUS OUTPUT AND GO FROM THERE.
BUT OVERALL, YOU'VE GOT A GOOD TOPIC TO BE LOOKING AT.
THANK YOU. CHAIR. AND I THINK MR. RANDALL, MR. TRIMBLE. YES. YES. TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET I HAD TO WORK WITH GENERAL LEDGERS ALL THE TIME AND I HAVE ASKED, OH, MAYBE A YEAR OR SO AGO, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A CHART OF ACCOUNTS? BECAUSE TO ME, I AM.
I'M A CHART OF ACCOUNT GIRL. I HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE ACCOUNT THAT WHAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT ACCOUNT? WHAT ACTUALLY DESCRIBES THAT ACCOUNT, WHAT GOES IN THAT ACCOUNT.
SO IF THERE IS ANY POSSIBLE WAY TO EITHER POST IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE OR SOMEHOW GIVE INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO GO IN AND GET THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS, THAT WOULD BE PHENOMENAL FOR ME. I AGREE.
YEAH, I CONCUR. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. I'M JUST AT A LEARNING STAGE.
YOU KNOW, I'M I'M AT A LOSS FOR HOW TO HOW TO GO ABOUT AND GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, ADVERSARIAL TO THE COUNCIL OR TO ANY OF THAT, BUT WE ARE AN ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE ADVERSARIAL, BUT WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY SEEN AS DOING OUR DUTY OF OF IMPOSING ACCOUNTABILITY TO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED THAT ACCESS OF SOMETHING OF SOME SORT.
AND YEAH I'VE HAD AN IDEA FOR A WHILE AND I'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO VET IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGAL OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE, BUT HAS TO DO WITH WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE. AND IT'S A BOUNTY PROGRAM THAT SOMEBODY CAN FIND WASTE, FRAUD OR ABUSE.
THEIR BOUNTY WOULD BE 10% OF ONE YEAR SAVINGS.
AS A REWARD FOR FINDING THAT I DON'T KNOW, FINDING THE REVENUE, FINDING THE FRAUD, FINDING THE WASTE, BUT IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. I MEAN, IF THEY SAVE $1 MILLION AND YOU HAVE A 10% BOUNTY, THAT'S $100,000, I'D RECOMMEND MORE LIKE A 5% BOUNTY OR 1% BOUNTY.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING. AND THAT THAT GOES TOWARDS ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE YOU'RE USING YOU'RE BASICALLY CROWDSOURCING, CROWDSOURCING IT. DID YOU READ MY SUBSTACK? I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN READING MY WRITING.
I'M TOTALLY CONCUR WITH YOU AND COMPLETELY SUPPORT YOU ON THAT.
I HAVE THE SAME IDEA. AND ACTUALLY I PROPOSED SOME SCOPE OF LEGISLATION MORE FEDERALLY FOR, FOR, FOR THAT EXACT KIND OF AN IDEA, WHICH IS AN UPDATE OF THE, THE FALSE CLAIMS ACT FROM 1863.
WHAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO BE DONE? I HAVE LIKE PROBABLY 17 OR 18 ENUMERATED ITEMS ON A PUBLICATION I WROTE OF IDEAS TO EXPLORE FOR HOW THAT COULD BE MODERNIZED IN RESPECT TO FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE.
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OR THEY SEE IT AND ENABLE A FAST TRACK PROCESS WHERE THEY'RE NOT WAITING A YEAR AND A HALF.GIVEN THE MODERN ELEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT WAITING TO CHECK ON MULE LINES AND MUSKETS, BUT CAN HAVE DOCUMENTED PROOF THROUGH VIDEO AND OTHER TANGIBLE, CERTIFIABLE EVIDENCE. HAVING A FAST TRACK WAY TO PROVIDE CITIZENS REWARDS AND INCENTIVIZATION WILL ALSO JUST WORK AS A DETERRENT TO CRIME.
AND WHILE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT FEDERALLY AND STATEWIDE DEMONSTRATING THAT WE'RE THE LEADERS OF THAT AT THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY LEVEL, I THINK WOULD BE QUITE IMPRESSIVE AND VERY VALUABLE.
BUT ASK ME HOW I REALLY FEEL. YES, IT WAS JUST AN IDEA.
I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VET IT. IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS PLANNING TO BRING FORWARD EVENTUALLY, BUT THE DISCUSSION KIND OF BROUGHT IT FORWARD.
SO YEAH. BUT IF THE BOARD'S INTERESTED, I'LL I'LL PURSUE IT FORWARD FURTHER.
IF THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT.
ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE CONSENSUS WITH IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
YEAH. I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S A BIGGER, LONGER CONVERSATION.
AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT NOW AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I MEAN, I'M FULL OF IDEAS TO, TO WORK TOGETHER WITH ON THAT, WHETHER IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, I'M, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, 10%, WHATEVER, WHATEVER A NUMBER THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE IS FOR EACH INSTANCE.
BUT WE COULD ALSO, I MEAN, IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO THAT, THE BABY STEP TO TAKE COULD EVEN JUST BE AN AWARD PROGRAM, AN ANNUAL AWARD FOR 1 OR 2 PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, GET A PRIZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
COULD GET PEOPLE INVOLVED AND INTERESTED IN THE LOCAL, YOU KNOW, THINGS AND ALSO GIVE SOME GOOD SUPPORT TO PEOPLE WHO SPEAK UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND BRING THAT FORWARD TO, TO SAVE EVERYBODY.
FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST LOOK AT IT, AND I THINK THAT HAVING A ONE TIME BOUNTY ON AN ANNUAL SAVINGS, WHEN THAT SAVINGS GOES ON IN PERPETUITY IS ONE WAY.
I MEAN, THE BOUNTY OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO PIQUE INTEREST AND GET PEOPLE LOOKING CLOSELY.
SO JUST AN IDEA. AND WHEN THE PEOPLE'S TRUST IN GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS SUSPECT, THAT'S ONE AVENUE TO BUILD THAT BUILD ACCOUNTABILITY AND CREDIBILITY THERE FOR SURE.
SO ALL RIGHT. I GOT A QUESTION ON IT. THE ONLY PROBLEM IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS HOW MUCH EXTRA WORK IS IT GOING TO PUT ON THE STAFF? AND THEN YOU KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT.
NOT NOT THAT I'M SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO IT, BUT I'M JUST WORRIED THAT WE'D BE EXERCISING THE CITY STAFF QUITE A BIT IF YOU GET SOME VERY AGGRESSIVE PEOPLE ON THAT. AND I THINK AS WE WHEN WE GET TO A LINE ITEM FOR THAT ITEM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY A, AN ENTIRE MEETING TO, TO WAR GAME AND THOSE SCENARIOS AND, AND HOW TO. SO AGAIN, I URGE EVERYONE ON THIS, ON THIS ON THIS COMMITTEE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK AS WE ARE LEADING UP TO, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE TOPICS REFRESH YOURSELF AND GET DEEP ON, ON THE, THE TOPICS AND THE DETAILS AND, AND BRING THAT DISCUSSION TO THOSE, THOSE IDEAS TO THE DISCUSSION.
AND BECAUSE THAT IS, AGAIN, PART OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS PROVIDE A WELL-ROUNDED AND IN-DEPTH POINT OF VIEW THAT WILL ADD SOME CREDIBILITY TO OUR, OUR TO OUR BOARD, OUR, OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO, TO LISTEN TO. SO YEAH, THE BOUNTY PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE, HAVE TO BE VETTED.
SO I MEAN, THAT WOULD BRING PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MAKE A LIVELIER PUBLIC AUDIENCE.
WE COULD BE VETTING. BUT THE COULD I ASK JUST FOR INFORMATION ON YOUR GUYS'S SIDE IN RESPECT TO THE EARLIER QUESTION OF ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD? TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ALREADY HAVE FRAUD. WASTE AND ABUSE IS ALREADY A STATUTE. IT'S WE ALREADY I MEAN, PRESUMABLY EVERY PERSON ON THE CITY PAYROLL IS TASKED WITH OBLIGATIONS TO REPORT WRONGDOING AND FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE. SO WE ALREADY PAY PEOPLE TO DO THAT IN TERMS OF MANAGING A WORKLOAD, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOTLINE I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH, I BELIEVE HR OR MAYBE RISK.
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TO INVESTIGATING. SO IF I MAY, WHO DOES THAT? SO DO WE JUST NOT LOOK INTO THAT THEN? NO NO NO.THERE'S A HOTLINE AND SOMEONE IF IF SOMETHING IS REPORTED THEN THEN IT'S INVESTIGATED.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW MANY TIMES OR HOW OFTEN IT'S USED OR I KNOW OF MY TIME HERE, I KNOW OF ZERO CASES. SO THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE.
MAYBE WE CAN PUT A BOW ON THIS ONE. BUT FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHAT IS FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE ENDS UP BEING WHO ARE THE WHO ARE THE, THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO INVESTIGATE THAT FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE.
AND SO I THINK TO HAVE STAFF TO COVER THE SPECTRUM COULD BE POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC.
SO ONCE WE SO I THINK THOSE, AS THOSE THING COMES IN, UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU THEN CREATE THAT THAT, THAT, THAT GROUP THAT WOULD BE CAPABLE OF INVESTIGATING WOULD ALMOST BE ON A CASE TO CASE BASIS.
BUT I DO, I DO AGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY AND GETS A PAYCHECK FROM THE CITY HAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, A DUTY TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE DOING IT TO THE BEST OF THEIR JOB AND GOOD STEWARDS FOR EVERY TAXPAYER.
SO YEAH, I DO AGREE THAT IT EXTENDS TO EVERYBODY THAT'S THAT'S WORKING HERE.
BUT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ALONG BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE AGAIN, WE HAVE THESE TOPICS THAT, THAT ARE SUGGESTIONS. AND AS WE GO FORWARD, ANY ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT WOULD, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN BRING IT TO THIS BOARD AND SEND AN EMAIL TO STAFF FOR FOR, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
CHAIR, CAN I JUST ASK FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION? SO ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS CONSENSUS, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY BRING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO PROVIDE A LITTLE PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE RELATIVELY SHORT, GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION, TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, WHO'S INVOLVED, WHO'S NOT CURRENTLY.
WHO INVESTIGATES THE NUMBER OF INSTANCES, WHAT THE HOTLINE IS, WHAT OUR TRAINING LOOKS LIKE, AND THOSE AND THOSE PIECES. AND JUST, I COULD JUST LEAVE THE REMAINDER OF THE TIME FOR YOU TO WORK MORE OF A WORKING GROUP KIND OF MEETING WHERE YOU DISCUSS IDEAS. I'LL I'LL SCRIBE THOSE IDEAS AND THEN WE CAN MAYBE MOVE IN THAT WAY WHERE I CAN PROVIDE YOU SOME DETAILS EACH MONTH, BUT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS HAVE TIME TO WORK TOWARDS A PROGRAM.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD WAY FORWARD? I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH ALL THESE TOPICS ARE VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO EVERYBODY'S HEART, I DON'T THINK WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION PART THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE TAXPAYER REVENUE GENERATING PORTION VERSUS THE SPENDING PORTION. SO ABSOLUTELY, I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN YOU DID HAVE A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT BUDGET AS WELL. IN MY CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR I THINK HIS GOAL FOR THIS TASK FORCE, HIS PRIMARY GOAL WAS RELATED AROUND BUDGET. AND SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF THE BUDGET BUT IN JANUARY YOU KNOW, WE'LL START WORKING ON THE, ON THE 2728 BUDGET.
AND MY INTENTION WAS TO BRING YOU ALONG WITH US IN THAT AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, FINANCE PRESENT AND GIVE YOU INFORMATION, ASK, ASK FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE NEXT BUDGET.
SO I WILL WORK WITH FINANCE TO BUILD OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I WILL PRESENT IT AT A FUTURE MEETING. SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT I'M PLANNING TO BRING, AND THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE ME FEEDBACK ON THAT, AND THEN WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT BUDGET TOGETHER.
AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES AND WE GET TO OUR JULY WORKSHOPS AND AND FOLLOWING HEARINGS IN LATER IN THE, IN 27. FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT.
ONE MORE. YES. I WILL ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS.
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WE MOVED TO A NEW ERP. MY GUESS IS WE PROBABLY CAN PRODUCE THAT NOW.WE PROBABLY COULDN'T PRODUCE IT ON THE LEGACY SYSTEM WE WERE ON BEFORE.
IT WAS LITERALLY A DOS BASED SYSTEM. IT WAS A GREEN SCREEN SYSTEM.
WE HAVE MOVED OUR WAY TO THE 21ST CENTURY. AND SO I BELIEVE WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY A WEEK INTO IT. AND SO I'LL, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OLD UNFINISHED BUSINESS THE
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TOPICS OF POLICE DISPATCH. WAS THERE ANY UPDATES ON THESE ITEMS OR.SO ON THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, CITY COUNCIL VOTED 3 TO 2 TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REGARDING POTENTIAL CONSOLIDATION OF THE POLICE COMMUNICATIONS.
YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT FIRE IS ALREADY WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE DIRECTION.
THE DEPARTMENT IS OR THE DIVISION IS FULLY FUNDED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
BUT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AND BRING THAT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS NOT A FINAL VOTE ON CONSOLIDATION.
IT WAS JUST ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATIONS ON A CONTRACT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN. QUESTIONS. YES I HAVE.
I SPENT THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, A DAY OR SO LOOKING.
AND THERE ARE, THERE'S TWO STATUTES. THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE HAS IN THIS LAST SESSION, THEY HAVE BROUGHT A PROPOSAL TO BILLS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. AND IT DIDN'T GET PAST THE FIRST COMMITTEE, BUT THAT WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE IT WAS THE VERY END OF THEIR SESSION.
BUT IT MOST LIKELY WILL COME UP AGAIN, AND THE STATE IS LEANING TOWARD ASKING THE COUNTIES TO CONSOLIDATE INTO A CENT, EACH COUNTY CONSOLIDATE INTO A CENTRAL DISPATCH CENTER.
AND I HAD A LIST OF SOME COUNTIES, THERE'S LIKE A HALF A DOZEN OF THEM THAT WE THAT WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO VOLUSIA, I THINK. LEON. PASCO. THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT HAVE ALREADY SWITCHED OVER TO CENTRAL DISPATCH. IS THAT MOSTLY RURAL AREAS THOUGH? PARDON. MOSTLY MOSTLY RURAL COUNTIES THAT YOU KNOW.
WELL LEON IS NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT RULE, BUT LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT THAT LIST.
BUT I, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF THEM, BUT IT WAS QUITE A FEW THAT WERE IN, IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING. SO I MEAN, IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME TO THAT IN THE FUTURE ANYWAY. SO IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AT THIS TIME, WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK INTO IT. AND AND I THINK GO FORWARD WITH IT.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR HAS ALREADY STATED IN ONE OF HIS SPEAKERSHIP POSITIONS WHEN HE WAS AT A CONFERENCE, THAT HE IS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE STATE TAKING ON MORE ROLE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF INDICATION THAT. I THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO CONSOLIDATE AND WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF OUR HOME RULE INTACT AND OUR LOCAL DISPATCH,
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BUT I, I THINK IT'S THE FUTURE FOR, FOR FLORIDA TO CONSOLIDATE COUNTY WISE, HAVE 1 OR 2 CENTRAL LOCATIONS FOR DISPATCH.MAY I I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ THE SITUATION CORRECTLY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE NEED ABOUT A $2 MILLION UPGRADE TO OUR CURRENT 911 SYSTEM, AND THAT THE CITY ITSELF CAN'T GET THE STATE GRANT THAT GOES ON EVERYBODY'S BILL FOR E 911 SERVICE, BECAUSE THAT MONEY IS DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNTY.
AND THEREFORE THE SHERIFF HAS THE PURSE STRINGS ON THAT MONEY.
IS THAT FAIR? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FINAL STATEMENT YOU HAD THERE, BUT THE REST IS CORRECT.
SO THE COUNTY COLLECTS ROUGHLY $3 MILLION FOR 911 COMMUNICATIONS ON OUR TELEPHONE BILLS. THEY DO NOT DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE MUNICIPALITIES.
THEY KEEP IT ALL FOR THEMSELVES, FOR THEIR COMMUNICATION CENTER.
WE DO HAVE A, IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE, BUT WE, WE, WE WILL HAVE A SERVER UPGRADE AND SOFTWARE UPGRADE.
WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF LIFE FOR OURS. I THINK THAT'S ROUGHLY A YEAR AWAY.
SO AND YES, YOU HAVE THE NUMBER CORRECT. IT'S, I THINK IT'S 1.8 MILLION.
SO THOSE TWO STATEMENTS ARE ACCURATE. CAN HE JUST TAKE OVER? I, I DON'T BELIEVE HE COULD JUST TAKE OVER. EXCEPT FOR YOU KNOW, WHAT MR. RANDALL IS SAYING IS THAT USUALLY BILLS LIKE THAT COME BACK AND, AND ON THE THIRD TIME AROUND THEY GET PASSED IS GENERALLY HOW THAT WORKS.
AND SO YES, I THINK THAT IS GOING THAT WAY. IF I MAY CHAIR THE CITY MANAGER AND I VISITED AND TOURED AND MET WITH BROWARD COUNTY, WHICH HAS BEEN CONSOLIDATED FOR 12 YEARS.
ALL BUT THREE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE CONSOLIDATED.
AND THERE'S 28 OF THEM TOGETHER. THEY FIELD OVER A MILLION CALLS A YEAR, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN BREVARD COUNTY EVEN WHEN YOU ADD IN OUR PD TO THEIR CALL NUMBER, THEIR CALL VOLUME.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT THAT. AND THE SMALLER, MORE RURAL GROUPS HAVE THEIR OWN EXISTING THEY SHARE COMS TOGETHER. THERE'S TWO CITIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
THEY SHARE, THEY SHARE OUR COMMS TOGETHER. ONE, ONE OF THEM DOES FIRE, THE OTHER ONE DOES PD.
IT'S A LITTLE KIND OF DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT, BUT THEY'RE SMALL COMMUNITIES.
BUT 28 OF THE 31, INCLUDING THE COUNTY, ARE ALL CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE DEPARTMENT IN THREE LOCATIONS. YOU CAN IMAGINE THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.
SO FOR REDUNDANCY AND FOR LOCATION OF EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE THREE PHYSICAL FACILITIES THAT HOUSE THOSE GROUPS, BUT THEY'RE CONSOLIDATED, CONSOLIDATED UNDER ONE LEADERSHIP.
AND IT'S THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, EVEN THOUGH THAT THE THE, THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT IS THE DEPARTMENT LEAD, THE SHERIFF, THEY ARE ALL SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES THAT ACTUALLY OPERATE THE COMMUNICATIONS.
FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER. ALL RIGHT. THEN LASTLY, WE'VE GOT AQUATIC CENTER. YES. AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL TOOK SOME ACTION ON THIS WITH THE BUDGET.
AND I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF WHAT THEY'VE DECIDED.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU TODAY WAS OUR TIMELINE FOR HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY TASKED US WITH WITH, OF COURSE, THEY DECIDED TO CLOSE THE POOL ON NOVEMBER 30TH AND FIND A NEW PARTNER OR A PROGRAM OPERATOR FOR THE POOL.
SO ON SEPTEMBER THE 22ND, WE PUT OUT A PUBLIC NOTICE WITH A PROBLEM STATEMENT.
AND TO TRY TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.
AND WITH THAT, WE PLACED ON BONFIRE, WHICH IS OUR PROCUREMENT PORTAL ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ON IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A PARTICIPANT OR A PARTNER.
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AND THAT INCLUDED THE REVENUE AND EXPENSES, THE CURRENT STAFFING, THE CURRENT PROGRAMING THE ENGINEERING REPORT, WHICH INCLUDES THE MAINTENANCE AND DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND ALL THE EXISTING AGREEMENTS RELATED TO IT WITH BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS AND EASTERN FLORIDA STATE. YESTERDAY, WE HOSTED A OPEN HOUSE AT THE POOL, AND WE HAD 15 PARTICIPANTS COME SIX SIX THERE WERE SIX POTENTIAL PARTNERS THAT CAME TO TOUR THE POOL.WE HAD FACILITY STAFF AND POOL STAFF THERE SO THAT SO THEY COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THEN THERE WAS A RECORDED Q&A. SO WE COULD PUT ALL THOSE Q&A UP ON BONFIRE.
WE ALREADY HAD A STANDING PAGE FOR THIS PROJECT WITH INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO JOIN BONFIRE.
OUR NEXT STEP. THESE ARE OUR TENTATIVE DATES AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IS THAT WE PUBLISH A FORMAL RFP ON OCTOBER THE 20TH. WE WOULD THEN. FROM OCTOBER THE 28TH THROUGH NOVEMBER THE 2ND, WE'D HAVE THE FORMAL Q&A PERIOD THAT GOES WITH AN RFP. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR.
ALL ALL PARTICIPANTS GET TO SEE ALL THE SAME QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
REGARDLESS IF ONE ASKS A QUESTION, EVERYONE GETS THE ANSWER.
SO THERE'S A Q&A PERIOD FROM OCTOBER, TENTATIVELY FROM OCTOBER 20TH 8TH TO NOVEMBER 10TH ON DECEMBER 15TH, WE WOULD CLOSE THE RECEIPT OF THE PROPOSALS. ON THE SIXTH, FROM DECEMBER 16TH THROUGH THE 21ST, WE'LL EVALUATE THE PROPOSALS. AND THIS GOES INTO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT A TASK FORCE MEMBER BEING INCLUDED IN THAT. I'M SORRY, NOT THIS TASK FORCE, THE I'M SORRY.
AND THEN WITH OUR INTENTION TO BRING A CONTRACT TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY HOPING THAT THE ABILITY FOR THAT WINNING BIDDER COULD REOPEN THE POOL BY MID-MARCH WHEN SWIMMING SEASON BEGINS AGAIN.
SO THAT'S OUR UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, WITH THAT PROJECT.
WAS THAT SO THAT THE RECORDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE COULD BE ADDED? CORRECT. THANK YOU. QUESTION. YES. YES, MA'AM.
A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO. WELL, LAST MEETING I HAD SUPPLIED YOU AND THE BOARD WITH IDEAS OF POSSIBLY WHO TO SEEK. AND I WAS WONDERING, DOES DOES OUR PARKS AND REC OR STAFF OR ANYBODY, WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN IDEA LIKE THAT, DO THEY ACTUALLY CARRY THROUGH AND POSSIBLY CONTACT THOSE POSSIBLE PARTNERS OR IS IT STRICTLY THROUGH BONFIRE WHERE YOU PUT OUT THE BID AND SEE WHO ANSWERS. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
SO BONFIRE WOULD, DEPENDING ON THE CATEGORY, YOU SIGN UP UNDER BONFIRE, YOU GET REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS ACROSS THE THE NATION. SO IF YOU'RE A POOL OPERATOR FROM ANYWHERE AND THAT WAS THE CATEGORY YOU WERE IN, THEN YOU WOULD THEN YOU WOULD RECEIVE THIS IF THAT'S HOW YOU HAVE IT SET UP IN YOUR PROFILE. BUT WE ALSO SENT OUT TO, WELL, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A PUBLIC NOTICE ABOUT IT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE LOCAL PUBLIC, BUT WE ALSO SENT IT OUT TO TRADE PUBLICATIONS INCLUDING POOL OPERATORS AND THEN ON LINKEDIN AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA. OKAY. SO MY, MY SUGGESTION WAS TO REACH OUT
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TO REHABILITATION CENTERS. BECAUSE AQUATICS IS A BIG PART OF REHABILITATION.AND I DO KNOW THAT BROOKS IS CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR OTHER LOCATIONS IN CENTRAL FLORIDA AREA. AND I MEAN, THAT TO ME IS ONE OF THE BEST PARTNERS TO ASK FOR BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE HOSPITALS HERE, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BEAUTIFUL POOL TO DO IT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT HAD ANYONE'S.
WE. CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR A POOL OPERATOR.
RIGHT. I THINK BROOKS WOULD BE PART OF THE PROGRAMING SOLUTION.
SO THEY WOULD BE PARTNERING WITH THE OPERATOR TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
I HOPE I'M NOT MISSPEAKING, BUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH BROOKS.
YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE, IS THEY WOULD BE A, A SERVICE PROVIDER THAT WOULD PARTNER WITH WHOEVER'S THE DRIVER OF THE, OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE POOL BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE A, A MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE AS MUCH AS A.
A CLIENT OR A SERVICE PROVIDER FOR YOU. RIGHT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WHAT WHAT WAS THE DECISION ON THE THE SWALE MOWING. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT OR NOT.
WELL THAT WAS I IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER B? YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THOSE WERE TOPICS TO BRING UP DURING FUTURE MEETINGS.
OKAY. SO THESE THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE, WE WILL AND CAN TALK ABOUT IN FUTURE MEETINGS AS A PART OF A, AS A SOLUTION. BUT WE WERE ASKING FOR ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE.
OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. LAST CALL FOR ANY, ANY NEW BUSINESS OR ANY DISCUSSION FOR NEXT NEXT MEETING.
IF IF HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL SECOND IT FIRST. MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ISSUES AND NO NO, WHATEVER.
WE WE CAN ADJOURN. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.